=== tritium [n=michael@pcp0011975002pcs.sandia01.nm.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === mdz [n=mdz@ca-studio-bsr1o-251.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Client] === doko_ [n=doko@dsl-084-059-070-048.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:50] hi all === slomo_ [n=slomo@p5487F24A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === joolz_ [n=joolz@kiar.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Lathiat [i=lathiat@gasp.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === FLeiXiuS [n=fleixius@pcp0010489211pcs.essex01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === joolz_ is now known as joolz === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === xlightwaverx [n=x@pool-64-223-239-62.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:09] hello [08:10] i am very new to ubuntu, but i would just like to say that it is amazing. [08:11] i have used debian for years, but this is takes care of all the configuration for me. [08:11] just like to say gj guys and gals. keep up the good work. [08:11] cya === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Kamion [n=cjwatson@83-216-156-196.colinw664.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach_ [i=foobar@i577B0147.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [i=foobar@i577B0147.versanet.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:robitaille] : Agendas: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingAgendas | Calendar: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | Logs: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | 21 Sept 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 21 Sept 20:00 UTC: LoCo Teams | 22 Sep 12:00 UTC: MOTU | 23 Sep 14:00 UTC: DocTeam | 27 Sep 20:00 UTC: Community Council | 4 Oct 20:00 UTC: TechnicalBoard === shawarma [i=shawarma@dolomit-ext.tnb.aau.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === kobold [n=kobold@debian/developer/kobold] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-149-243.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === shawarma [i=shawarma@dolomit-ext.tnb.aau.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === kwak [n=kwak@210.1.27.242] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Simira [n=rpGirl@214.84-48-74.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === magnon [n=magnon@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:58] **Reminder** Edubuntu update meeting in 3 mins [02:02] hi all === azeem [n=mbanck@proxy-out.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:03] hi all [02:03] so just the 2 of us ;) === magnon waves [02:03] ah [02:03] hi magnon [02:03] hey :P [02:04] flint wanted to come iirc === mark__ [n=mark@64.241.37.140] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:04] we'll give him 2 mins [02:04] at least he said "see you tomorrow" this night [02:04] I need to leave in 75 mons, so let try stick to an hour if at all possible [02:04] 75 mons ? phew === shawarma [i=shawarma@dolomit-ext.tnb.aau.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:04] ogra: perhaps he's on a plane.. make up a bed! [02:05] heh [02:05] 75 mons? that's like 6.25 yrs [02:05] sigh [02:06] ok ogra, you're up... :) [02:06] anyway, i have not much to update today... the screensaver stuff ate most of my time the last week... so i only managed to do minor stuff on edubuntu [02:06] did mdz manage to talk to sabdfl yet? [02:06] our worst bug is solved, thatns to a patch from linus torvalds... :) [02:06] is there a resolution on the screensaver issue yet? [02:07] it should be fixed in the next upload of linux-source... [02:07] yay, does petter et al know? [02:07] nope, we have to wait for sabdfl [02:07] so what are you doing in the mean time? sitting tight and waiting? [02:07] i dont know if petter et al did know about it [02:08] doing my edubuntu stuff, i have enough things left to fix... === shaga [n=sha@rikos.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:08] nod [02:08] xss can wait... if we go with xss instead of gss i have to demote a day for the changes, but not now [02:08] JaneW: apparently the screensaver issue solution seems to be "revert" [02:08] ok so you're off s-s until you get an answer? [02:09] yup [02:09] magnon: yes the unanimous consentous is revert [02:09] consensus [02:09] but sabdfl wanted it in [02:09] so he has to approve taking it out [02:09] i'll prepare new artwork in a weekend session, but thats something i consider sparetime work [02:09] ogra: yes [02:09] ah, artwork [02:09] ogra: what's still needed? [02:09] we have a shiny CD bootscreen now, edubuntu branded [02:10] and i sent jbailey a edubuntu usplash screen, but dont know if it will/can get included [02:10] I saw that [02:10] the black screen with gold? [02:10] yup [02:10] ok [02:10] who designed it? === mitsuhiko [n=blackbir@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:11] the small one is the first thing you see booting t CD, the bigger one you see at every boot [02:11] i designed it [02:11] I don;t love the blackness that much... [02:11] I like the concept though [02:11] its hard to do something else with 14 colors [02:11] the blackness is necessary [02:11] JaneW: blackness is what monitors tend to be [02:11] it looks silly otherwise when centred on a black screen [02:12] sladen: good point ;) [02:12] in that case - it's great! [02:12] :) [02:12] ogra: is that 14 colors of choice as a palette, or 14 preset tones? === magnon has no idea :P [02:12] magnon: palette, you have 16 colors, one of which should be "almost black" and one "almost white" [02:13] magnon: the rest is up to the logo designer [02:13] ogra: do you need someone to help with any of gthe artwork? [02:13] ogra: I can ask highvoltage or Javacide to assist [02:13] my todo: moodle fixes, (i had this planned for the time when i was struck by screensaver stuff) should be done before the weekend [02:13] JAnenope [02:13] Treenaks: should be possible to do something a bit fancy then :) [02:13] - 2 ltsp fixes... (time consuming for the installer part) [02:14] gcompris? [02:14] probably a gcompris update if mdz llows, else i have to fix a hanfull of issues here (mostly missing pictures) [02:14] do you think mdz would allow? [02:14] I am thinking not... [02:15] depends, the bug i have is from an upstream guy, lets see what mdz says, i'm fine with both options... updating would be nicer though [02:15] have you asked mdz yet? [02:16] nope [02:16] i'll do it today [02:16] can you try asap? [02:16] please [02:16] cool, thanks [02:16] is anyone giving you proper testing feedback? [02:16] the feedback page is still empty :/ [02:16] http://www.edubuntu.org/PreviewReleaseFeedback/ [02:16] dont worry we have a working gcompris already... as i said it doesnt matter how i solve the bugs... [02:17] i get regular feedback from jelkner and flint on IRC [02:17] do we know more or less how many ppl have d/led and install edubuntu (preview) [02:17] i had feedback from highvoltage [02:17] nope [02:17] jsgotangco and mhz? [02:17] jsgotangco only uses the wrokstatio version... [02:18] he tested the server install once afaik [02:18] do you think we could call for testers on u-d? or would that not be allowed? [02:18] all in al we're really lacking here [02:18] sure thats allowed [02:18] ok, let's do it [02:18] JaneW: I think that's fine as long as you direct feedback elsewhere [02:18] but note that you need the hardware to test ltsp [02:18] Kamion: ok thanks, will do [02:18] let's not clutter u-d with Edubuntu test reports [02:19] we have our own -devel list, answers should go there [02:19] Kamion: ok we'll ask them to post on our wiki and e-d [02:20] we also need more edubuntu BOF topics for UBZ [02:20] oh, and on a sidenote: schooltool was updated today to the most recent version [02:20] please add these to the 2 pages assigned [02:20] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero/BOFs [02:20] and [02:20] JaneW, i'll put up a list if i have some more time... [02:21] but i still need to know if we'll have a edubuntu summit... i dont want to talk about app selection at all at UBZ [02:21] http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuBelowZero [02:21] so far we only have a smattering from flint [02:21] yet we are planning a full track, so we'll need to flesh it out [02:21] ogra: please do - else we'll take the week to discuss app selection ;) [02:22] exactly... and thats pretty counter productive [02:22] ogra: yes, I need to wait for sabdfl to get back to finalise that [02:22] yup [02:22] thats why i havent put up anything yet [02:22] ogra: but lets assume (and hope) for a yes, we'll plan around it if it's a no [02:23] ogra: but we still need to maximise this time together , and with the LTSP guys [02:23] we'll have to support thick and half thick clients as well as centralized user management, these shoudl precisely be specced out by the end of UBZ [02:23] ogra: back tracking now, do you not want me to ask javavcide (Steve Torrefranca) to help you with more of the artwork requirements? [02:24] why ? [02:24] what should he do ? [02:24] ogra: no idea, I was just wondering if you had lots you still need to do, and if any design is involved... [02:24] we have a handfull of artwork to choose from its just a matter of which picture i put into the package [02:25] oic [02:25] all i have to do is either ltsp or packaging related... [02:26] ok [02:26] the rest is done so far... (despite bugs that might come up due to additional testing) [02:26] then re the CDs.. last week sabdfl indicated we could print off a small run [02:26] I think he said a few 1000 [02:26] 12942 would need a lot more testing [02:27] so we need to arrange some packaging etc for that, and make sure it gets done. [02:27] yup [02:27] i think thats soething you could contact javacide for... [02:27] execpt sabdfl/silbs want to use the agency to make the artwork [02:28] agency? [02:28] graphics desiger ? [02:29] i thought it was a company [02:29] the person/company who does all our artwork [02:30] not sure [02:30] I used a cape town guy for our logo [02:30] mark used him for the HBD stuff [02:30] he didn't do the ubuntu stuff though [02:30] oh, i thought so [02:31] but i think we have a company caring for the CD stuff [02:31] ok, I'll have to find out... [02:31] so its a matter of silbs/sabdfl decision for the printing etc [02:31] yes [02:32] i dont think its immediately urgent to have it ready with the ubuntu release, we are not bound to that with pressed CDs [02:32] do you think we should give the main edubuntu community members a stack to hand out in their communities and at events they attend? [02:32] Like mhz - Chile [02:32] yup [02:32] fabbione, asked for 500 [02:32] jsgotangco - Philipines [02:32] for denmark [02:32] magnon - Norway etc [02:32] ok [02:33] I'll ask for 10 000 [02:33] \o/ [02:33] but we may get 5000 (or less?) === jsgotangco [n=jsg@info12-76.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:33] that'd be fine [02:33] not sure what a couple of 1000 will end up being === flint_ [n=flint@static-66-160-92-78.dsl.cavtel.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:33] am i late??? [02:33] is is morning time yet [02:33] JaneW, you forgot flint -> US [02:33] oh and I suppose we'll have to arrange to send some to flint ;) [02:33] i didnt know there was a meeting [02:33] JaneW: Actually I was in talk with... uhm... who was it [02:33] anyway [02:33] flint_: over slept? [02:33] about printing localized (or scandinavian perhaps) Ubuntu CDs [02:34] one word...WIFE. [02:34] lol [02:34] if that's something I could get working at some point, edubuntu would be natural to include :) [02:34] magnon: cool === dholbach [i=foobar@i577B0147.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:35] magnon, i didnt push the final list of languages on the CD (that will be aht will fill the remaining 50MB on the amd64 and x86 CDs) [02:35] oh, cool [02:35] powerpc will have to live with english only and net install for other langs... [02:36] there is only 1MB left :) [02:36] ogra: that's tight! [02:36] JaneW, thas ppc [02:36] ogra: fill it with 1kb readme.txt files [02:36] ;) [02:36] heh [02:37] we wont have many ppc people out there... and remember, edubuntu is built in a way that you can even use ubuntu to install it... [02:37] i.e. install ubuntu and put edubuntu-desktop on top of it... [02:38] yes [02:38] that's what i use atm [02:38] (i actually prefer it over our ubuntu) [02:38] yup thats what our WS install is [02:38] jsgotangco: now that you are here, are there any doc updates? [02:38] i've put them up on the wiki [02:38] i'm about to send to ogra the xml file of about ubuntu [02:38] jsgotangco: great to hear btw! [02:38] so that he'll be able to put in on yelp [02:38] ah, updates :) [02:39] btw we are looking at getting the About Ubuntu page redesigned [02:39] I would like to personally thank and congradulate Oliver Grawert, who will henceforth be known as Gandalf to me for slaying the Dreaded Sauron - Also known as the Lord of the Rings (lotr) Login... [02:39] sorry about the cookbook, it won't get in [02:39] jsgotangco, can i also get a html version ? [02:39] ogra sure [02:39] great ... [02:39] i'll just have to do some scripts later [02:39] for the ff homepage [02:39] ogra: please update the release notes as well [02:39] its all in the wiki [02:39] sad about the cook book, but what can we do... [02:39] flint_, LOL [02:39] JaneW: i have yet to email the list on contributions to it [02:40] jsgotangco: ok [02:40] flint_, sadly it didnt make it into the release... so we are doomed to the tgz [02:40] Two plucky mental hobbits delivered the killing blow to the all seeing eye yesterday afternoon at the Mt. Ranier Library. This journey was not without peril, as one of the Hobbits, Paul (not the ring bearer) managed to cock up the install. [02:41] JaneW: i got to talk to two universities who are willing to contribute in the future [02:41] in fact it was my wrong list of instructions, thanks again for helping to sort it for further installs flint_ [02:41] My humble question Gandalf (ollie) is will the patch be included in release any time soon, or could I script the patch? Better yet, could I write a trilogy and have a movie made of it? [02:41] heh [02:41] (it helped that i am in an IT roadshow at the moment) [02:42] :D [02:42] here is the roadshow, what firm... [02:42] jsgotangco: cool, in what way? [02:42] where is the roadshow, what firm... [02:43] flint_, it will get included eventually, but i doubt mdz will accept it now ... so we'll have to wait for dapper here... i'll think about a way to script it or even make a deb you can install manually that cares for it [02:43] JaneW: apps, documentation, testing... [02:43] jsgotangco: cool :) [02:43] jsgotangco: we need testers/testing and feedback right now [02:43] they've seen Edubuntu running thanks to Linux World [02:43] yay - well done [02:44] the choice to put in Blender was very very good [02:44] jsgotangco: absolutely, I just am most happy with the lotr login patch. Makes a big difference in the look of edubuntu. [02:44] we actually had a situation during LinuxWorld that Edubuntu saved the day - because it had Blender [02:44] yay [02:45] there was a Blender track and the guy didn't bring a laptop [02:45] cool [02:45] mdz was whining about blender, excellent! [02:45] heh [02:45] flint_, dz was whining about any things :) [02:45] no! it was a good choice! [02:45] mdz even === JaneW is thinking of the 'frog in the blender' flash applet now [02:45] many even [02:46] too bad blenders help files are all online [02:46] do not let it get pushed out, ta hell with German and French language support! [02:46] (ok that was meant to be funny :^) [02:46] flint_: er... remeber where ogra comes from ;) [02:46] heh [02:46] please god not france :^) [02:46] LOL [02:47] flint_, i'll add languages as very last pacages if i'm sure nothing will change anymore and space is there [02:47] that's resonable [02:47] there's nothing else we can do right now [02:47] ogra: any news on the DVD sabdfl was tlaking of? [02:47] it is a possibility still [02:47] i doubt that [02:47] ollie, i remain convinced that there could be an innovation in language file compression. where could we look for such a thing? [02:48] JaneW, i think thats rather something for dapper, but Kamion will know if i just can reuse the CD iso and add up stuff until i reach the 4GB [02:48] as I see it, even 5 or 10 percent better packing could be significant to your life, dear Gandalf. [02:48] if the latter is possibel easily, a DVD is possible too [02:49] ogra: ok, so should we not worry to much for now...? [02:49] flint_, pitti and carlos in #ubuntu-devel are the language-pack gods [02:49] ogra: 3 weeks tomorrow to release day... [02:49] yup [02:49] jeez, are we talking space problems on the edubuntu dvd now? [02:49] nope :) [02:49] grin [02:49] gotacha pitti and carlos [02:50] ogra: how does that make you feel on a scale of totally unconcerbed - to hysterical panic... ? ;) [02:50] i.e. 'are we there yet?' [02:50] JaneW, if i can do what i described above, a DVD is possible even some days before release (indeed with a marker that it didnt recieve testing) [02:51] (ogra nah I think leave the DVD, but I'll check with sabdfl on that) [02:51] not completely but nothing that isnt solvable before release [02:51] we can trivially build DVDs [02:51] I've been doing so for Ubuntu for ages [02:51] kamion: ok, good to hear. Thanks [02:51] i dont see any reasoin to be worried... but i also didnt see it before preview when everyone freaked out [02:51] it's just a question of getting them tested [02:51] regarding the lotr patch, jane as his new manager I ask you if I have your permission to put the lean on him... [02:51] my experience has been that it's very hard to get people to test DVD images [02:52] Kamion, with just adding stuff to the proven CD iso ? [02:52] ogra: separate cdimage run [02:52] flint_: lean on whom? [02:52] Kamion, yes, but i mean installer etc identical ? [02:52] ogra: yes [02:52] great :) [02:52] janew put the lean on mdz [02:52] ogra: for Ubuntu it contains both install and live images; wouldn't have to do that for Edubuntu necessarily === ian_brasil [n=vern@pintada.proamazon.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:53] flint_: bwahaha - one can try... [02:53] Kamion, yup, most interesting would be to have all alngs added [02:53] ogra: that happens automatically; the DVD contains everything in the project's supported set [02:53] dear jane you have a great evil genius laugh...ever consider motion pictures? [02:53] here is a stoopid question, Gandalf (ollie), could you magically fit all three architectures onto one DVD [02:53] ogra: what's the issue with the lotr patch? Didn't make it in in time? [02:53] flint_: not right now [02:54] JaneW, i wrote a login manager thats themeable, the current one looks ugly... === dholbach [i=foobar@i577B0147.versanet.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] [02:54] flint_: I'm told it's perfectly possible to build such an image, but the problem is doing it sanely, automatically, and maintainably [02:54] and debian-cd really isn't up to the task [02:54] 6GB *shudder* [02:54] ogra: right, and it was too late to include or what? [02:54] JaneW, it wrote it over one weekend but mdz didnt accept it as patch and my arch repo didnt work so he didnt want to include it (it was even after feature freeze) [02:54] the theamable login manager (by now famous lotr patch) is a sensational addition. It must go in. Sauron must die [02:55] ogra? flint_ : tough, I don't think mdz is too amenable to adding more stuff now. Seriously [02:56] JaneW, he thought i write it in my worktime and was quite angry about it... its a topic i wouldnt like to discuss again... but feel free :) [02:56] flint_: yah, but we have a timeline (in Dr Evil voice) [02:56] jane put it to matt that this makes up for the default desktop colour, and he will love you for it. [02:56] s/write/wrote/ [02:56] I will wake the beast and slay him this very morning my queen. (in very likely dead prince voice) [02:56] flint_: forget it we just a had a huge issue about the screensavers [02:57] I doubt anything will get through now with out good reason and mdz wanting it [02:57] I know this jane... [02:57] i think its essential for success... and i agree with flint... but it can still go into dapper... what we have now is ugly but works [02:57] let me work on him. It is most beautiful, and a fine bit of a hack. [02:57] ogra: same as the s-s argument then... [02:58] flint_: go ahead [02:58] JaneW, probably a nagging flint_ s a good argument to convince mdz ? [02:58] ...on the other hand, it makes an interesting enhancement - thanks jane will do. [02:58] flint_: I am sure you have more influence over mdz than we do... === ogra can imagine its hard to resist flint_ if he really wants something [02:58] no one has any influence over the dark lord... [02:58] especially if you are mdz :) [02:59] <\sh> flint_: despite harry potter ,-) [02:59] oi! [02:59] hey \sh [02:59] ok what else? [02:59] joining the edubuntu forces now ? [03:00] <\sh> ogra: when I read the announcement on heise.de...I think we need all hands on edubuntu [03:00] highvoltage is working on a website design, he is hoping to have something to show by beg of next week [03:00] i think thats all, i gues ill have a lot more checkmarks to present on my todo next week... (without xss porbs inbetween) [03:00] \sh we do, wanna install and test? [03:01] <\sh> JaneW: when i have the hardware...I would do it...but I don't have the hardware [03:01] ogra: ok you keep at it, I'll send a message to u-d calling for testers [03:01] you have [03:01] yup [03:01] ogra: and I'll follow up on edu summit #2 and CD printing issues etc [03:01] JaneW, ok [03:01] thanks everyone [03:01] Jane regarding hardware, do we want to rattle IBM's cage? They owe me a favor right now. [03:02] and please add to BOF lists [03:02] sure [03:02] <\sh> ogra: where do i have the hardware? I mean I have to come to your place again and test it with your server :) [03:03] \sh, you have two laptops... :) [03:03] one as server one as client .... [03:03] anyone who thinks they deserve an IBM X-series server email me (flint@flint.com) lets see what I can hussle. [03:03] MMEEEEEEE [03:03] so, do you guys want me to start building an Edubuntu DVD twice-weekly? [03:03] <\sh> ogra: sure..but one I need to fix universe [03:03] I can test a DVD [03:03] flint_, i'll probably come back to you after release :) [03:03] it'll take time to get it though [03:04] indeed, that's the usual problem [03:04] Kamion, thatd be uber cool :) [03:04] they rsync fairly well [03:04] <\sh> flint_: x-series? what is it in HP models? [03:04] Kamion, i can test it here... [03:04] you can start with an Edubuntu CD and rsync that to a DVD [03:04] yup [03:04] wow [03:04] ogra: righto, I'll set that up later today [03:04] i didnt know that [03:04] yippie := [03:04] :) [03:05] ok i'll rsync when ogra gives a go =) [03:05] IBM X-series are 2 U rack mount multiprocessor server class intel engines....with all the trimmings... [03:05] flint_: push Sun instead? I'd have a new Fire in my living room ;) [03:05] <\sh> flint_: for ubuntu testing and fixing I could need one..so I can use the second laptop as testserver for edubuntu ;) [03:06] magnon, is sun running intel on the sunfire? [03:06] flint_: amd64 [03:06] they look and perform awesome [03:06] ...interesting and worth testing on. I know where one is in the trunk of someones Toyota, but that is another story... [03:06] flint_: you have access to those? [03:07] flint_, i'll need some server for testing for dapper... a bunch of clients as well... currently all my testing is done with only one client... but i think thats something canonical should sponsor, not one of our users :) [03:07] I am going to pull some favors. email me offline. [03:07] flint_: I'll probably be getting some of those - I'll be trying to establish a thin client env test lab, and I thought of using'em [03:07] i'd love one but space would be a problem [03:08] Gandalf, the magic is always about the magician, never about the firm. [03:08] also I'm getting nice clients from a norwegian manufacturer to a very nice price [03:08] flint_: IBM xSeries servers don't look near as nice as sunfire ;) === ogra has a empty 2m height server cabinet standing around :) [03:08] ogra: lucky you, i live in a capsule! [03:09] jsgotangco: right you are, they are only 3.5" high (2 RU) but you can land an airplane on them. [03:09] flint_: I'd like to see test reports on that [03:09] :P [03:09] the damn things are (or course) 19" wide, but they are at least 2 feet long. [03:09] yes, but it only takes space currently... i dont use it at all as well as the 3KV UPS [03:09] 2Us are too much for me if it was only 1U, it would fit [03:09] jsgotangco: sunfire! [03:10] Ollie, you use an ext3 file system, you don't NEED no stinking UPS! [03:10] (lol :^)) [03:10] flint_, for all the network devices around... [03:10] i'd rather haver server class laptops if they existed... [03:10] jsgotangco: it's called "blades" [03:11] my power drops occasionally... so its cool to have it for the DSL route etc... its just a bit oversized fot this :) [03:11] ....ok... [03:11] <\sh> flint_: that's ok...I have place in my living room, next to my desk [03:11] <\sh> actually...I should collect hardware instead of furniture ;) [03:11] \sh: put ikea legs on it and it could BE your desk. [03:12] magnon, did you already test the suns with ubuntu ? i had some installer issue reports with mptscsi [03:12] ogra: nope, haven't gotten that far yet [03:12] <\sh> flint_: yeah :) but a fast desk I think...and a loud one..but anyways..for recompiling universe and testing stuff quite nice [03:12] magnon, would be nice to have a tester for that, linescann gave up on it i think :( [03:13] magnon, if there really is a issue with the installer mptscsi module this should be solved before release, sun fire seems to become famous ... [03:13] ogra: I don't think Sun Norway has too many of those just lying around. I called them and the lady on the phone didn't even know the Sun Fire campagin [03:13] I just thought this scam up just now. Let me see what I can propose to IBM. [03:13] oh [03:14] Actually, telling IBM that you all have Sun helps my argument. :^) [03:14] hehe [03:15] flint_: what are you going to propose anyway? [03:15] if you get me cheap ibm stuff for being affiliated with (ed)ubuntu, screw sun :P [03:16] mptscsi issue> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10189 [03:16] Dear Bill, [03:16] I need you to find someone in IBM to help me with Edubuntu. [03:16]