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| koke | Nafallo: I don't even find it in packages.d.o | 12:21 |
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| Nafallo | hmm | 12:22 |
| Nafallo | bad :-P | 12:22 |
| tseng | doko: rrdtool: Depends: librrd2 but it is not going to be installed | 12:24 |
| tseng | doko: librrd2: Depends: ttf-dejavu but it is not installable | 12:24 |
| doko | tseng: it's beeing handled -> see main inclusion queue | 12:25 |
| tseng | doko: rock on, thanks. | 12:25 |
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| koke | ajmitch another one from koke ;) | 12:29 |
| ajmitch | :) | 12:29 |
| koke | when I try to recover my pass on REVU I get "None" | 12:33 |
| koke | python error, I guess | 12:33 |
| koke | any idea on that? | 12:33 |
| koke | siretart: around? | 12:46 |
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| bddebian | Do we still not have the myth plugin stuff? | 02:06 |
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| tseng | bddebian: compile it with gcc 3.4 from mdz repo | 02:10 |
| tseng | bddebian: and i bet it will work fine | 02:10 |
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| bddebian | tseng: Well fix em man :-) | 02:16 |
| tseng | bddebian: that would be like work. | 02:19 |
| tseng | bddebian: ajmitch has a guy that says he is working on it | 02:19 |
| bddebian | Oh good, then I won't :-) | 02:23 |
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| lathiat | hahaha | 02:35 |
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| bddebian | hehehe | 02:44 |
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| bmonty_laptop | doh, did I miss the meeting? | 02:51 |
| bddebian | Yep :-( | 02:51 |
| bmonty_laptop | :( | 02:51 |
| bddebian | Egads, do we still have gcc3.3? | 02:53 |
| bmonty_laptop | why not? | 02:54 |
| lathiat | gcc-3.4 we have | 02:55 |
| lathiat | i think 3.3 is there too | 02:55 |
| bddebian | Hmm, ghc-cvs build-deps and deps on gcc-3.3 | 02:58 |
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| bddebian | python (>= 1.5)?? I'd have to say ghc-cvs is a little old?? :-) | 03:17 |
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| bmonty_laptop | can I get the latest released source from upstream to fix a package with unmetdeps? | 03:28 |
| bddebian | How do I fix: "dpkg-deb: control directory has bad permissions..." ?? | 03:28 |
| bddebian | bmonty_laptop: Upstream, upstream or Debian upstream? :-) | 03:29 |
| bmonty_laptop | upstream upstream | 03:29 |
| bmonty_laptop | :) | 03:29 |
| crimsun | if that's the only way to fix it, and it doesn't break anything, I don't see why not | 03:29 |
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| LaserJock | bddebian: did you see the mozilla-locale stuff I updated? | 03:34 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Aye, thx | 03:34 |
| LaserJock | is that ok? | 03:34 |
| bddebian | Yep | 03:34 |
| LaserJock | It looked like mozilla-locale-zh-tw would be easy to fix and I don't think the Debian packages will be updated anytime soon so would it be good to make an ubuntu package? | 03:38 |
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| bddebian | ajmitch: You around? | 03:42 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: It probably can't hurt | 03:43 |
| ajmitch | nope | 03:43 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Aren't you the zope-meister? | 03:43 |
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| bddebian | Fuck, I give up, I'm going back to video games and pr0n :-) | 03:46 |
| ajmitch | I do some zope.. | 03:46 |
| lathiat | you do dope? | 03:46 |
| bddebian | Well I thought I "fixed" zope-popyda but it doesn't install. failed deps on python2.4-popy | 03:47 |
| bmonty_laptop | gee....you couldn't see that one coming | 03:47 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: and..? :) | 03:49 |
| ajmitch | you want me to look at it instead? | 03:49 |
| bddebian | You gonna fix python2.4-popy? :-) | 03:52 |
| ajmitch | maybe | 03:52 |
| bddebian | Well then I will upload zope-popyda ;-P | 03:52 |
| ajmitch | if you want to take the blame | 03:53 |
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| bddebian | ajmitch: Blame? | 03:54 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: it got through NEW? | 03:54 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch, not yet | 03:54 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch, but it is there, which is good | 03:54 |
| ajmitch | ok | 03:54 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch, ok, building now by the looks of it | 03:55 |
| ajmitch | so it got accepted, so it's through NEW | 03:55 |
| ajmitch | oh goody, he synced my other stuff :) | 03:55 |
| bmonty_laptop | hey, I think 2423 should get rejected | 03:59 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Take the blame for what?? | 03:59 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: for zope-popyda | 04:00 |
| bddebian | What blame? | 04:00 |
| ajmitch | whatever is coming for you :) | 04:00 |
| LaserJock | where do you guys go to find out what stuff is being synced or uploaded? | 04:01 |
| crimsun | breezy-changes | 04:02 |
| bmonty_laptop | the breezy-changes mailing list | 04:03 |
| LaserJock | ok, cool | 04:03 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Do you enjoy talking in circles? :-) | 04:04 |
| ajmitch | yes | 04:04 |
| bddebian | bmonty_laptop: I agree reject or close 2423. It works for me too | 04:04 |
| ajmitch | you said you thought you fixed it, but it wasn't really fixed | 04:04 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: the other thing is that zope products need python 2.3 | 04:05 |
| bddebian | Well I'm not going to "upload" it until it does work. But I would need python2.x-popy anyhow | 04:05 |
| bmonty_laptop | I'd like to know why gcrontab segfaults on his system, but without debug symbols his stacktrace is useless | 04:05 |
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| tritium | good night | 04:12 |
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| bddebian | Well it builds and installs now. Not that I know that it "works" | 04:13 |
| ajmitch | it won't | 04:13 |
| ajmitch | or at least it won't work well | 04:13 |
| bddebian | *sigh* | 04:13 |
| ajmitch | it's been removed from debian | 04:13 |
| ajmitch | it was meant for python 2.1, and zope 2.6 | 04:13 |
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| bmonty_laptop | bddebian: do you have a crontab file your user on the box you tested gcrontab with? | 04:16 |
| bddebian | bmonty: No | 04:17 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: OK, what about zope-cmfpgforum? Same deal? | 04:18 |
| ajmitch | probably | 04:20 |
| ajmitch | it's been sitting broken for > 6 months | 04:20 |
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| bddebian | Hey, our bug numbers are going up not down.. :-( | 04:41 |
| bmonty_laptop | that is what always happens | 04:41 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: I just closed 2 | 04:42 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Good man :-) | 04:42 |
| bmonty_laptop | can we close a bug as unreproducable? | 04:43 |
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| marcin_ant | hi guys | 05:03 |
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| marcin_ant | I got a pretty strange problem | 05:03 |
| marcin_ant | 1. my CPU is Athlon | 05:03 |
| bddebian | That's strange ;-) | 05:03 |
| Burgundavia | marcin_ant, #ubuntu for support | 05:04 |
| marcin_ant | 2. and the strange thing is that when I want to build some package | 05:04 |
| marcin_ant | then I get i486-linux-gnu | 05:04 |
| ajmitch | that's perfectly normal | 05:04 |
| bddebian | What would you expect to get? | 05:04 |
| marcin_ant | as DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE (dpkg-architecture) | 05:04 |
| marcin_ant | ajmitch, well i386? i686? k7 ? but definetly not i486.... | 05:05 |
| marcin_ant | ajmitch, sorry it was for bddebian | 05:06 |
| marcin_ant | bddebian, I would expect to get i386 or i686 but not i486... | 05:07 |
| ajmitch | I would expect to get i486 | 05:08 |
| marcin_ant | ajmitch, why? | 05:09 |
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| ajmitch | because that's the architecture that things are built for | 05:09 |
| ajmitch | i386 just didn't have a couple of things needed | 05:09 |
| marcin_ant | ajmitch, ok but afaik k7 cpu is not related with i486 at all | 05:09 |
| ajmitch | yes it is | 05:10 |
| ajmitch | it's i486 compatible, so packages are built for that arch | 05:10 |
| marcin_ant | ajmitch, on almost every distro you get things compiled for i386 for compatibility or i586 like in mandrake or i686 on most modern distros | 05:10 |
| marcin_ant | ajmitch, so k7 packages are compiled for i486? | 05:11 |
| ajmitch | yes | 05:11 |
| ajmitch | can you imagine the amount of diskspace required if each package was compiled for i486, 586, i686, P3/P4, K7, etc | 05:12 |
| marcin_ant | ajmitch, hmm I didn' | 05:12 |
| marcin_ant | t | 05:12 |
| marcin_ant | know about it | 05:12 |
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| Amaranth | ajmitch: 8 or so times what they use now? | 05:12 |
| ajmitch | there was a conscious decision not to build for i386 for compatibility | 05:12 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: probably more, given other variants :) | 05:13 |
| marcin_ant | ajmitch, sure but there are packages that are compiled for k7 (in fact kernel only) | 05:13 |
| ajmitch | sure | 05:13 |
| ajmitch | but they're the exception | 05:13 |
| ajmitch | packages can have autodetecting code themselves if they need it | 05:13 |
| marcin_ant | ajmitch, anyway if I rebuild packages on my machine I could expect some optimalization for my cpu | 05:14 |
| marcin_ant | ajmitch, and I thought that athlon is more i686 compatible.. but if it is i486 then ok | 05:14 |
| ajmitch | well the instruction ordering, etc is done for a modern cpu | 05:14 |
| hypatia | ajmitch: I'm sorry to nag... but (of course there's a but) what's the status of python-nevow? | 05:14 |
| Amaranth | yeah, ubuntu packages are built to work on an older CPU but tuned to run better on modern CPUs | 05:15 |
| ajmitch | hypatia: elmo didn't reply with details of my key, but I'll try & upload again :) | 05:15 |
| ajmitch | marcin_ant: it's a question that comes up quite often :) | 05:15 |
| marcin_ant | Burgundavia, btw don't send ppl away - please listen the question first ;) | 05:15 |
| marcin_ant | ajmitch, about optimalization? | 05:15 |
| hypatia | ajmitch: how annoying for you :( | 05:15 |
| ajmitch | marcin_ant: yes | 05:16 |
| ajmitch | hypatia: not really | 05:16 |
| ajmitch | hypatia: I'll put it on my todo list for things to look at after work tonight | 05:16 |
| marcin_ant | ajmitch, propably questions from gentoo users ;) they love it | 05:16 |
| marcin_ant | ajmitch, in fact all these cpu/arch/dpkg things are pretty weird | 05:18 |
| ajmitch | like why we don't compile everything with -O9 -fultra-fast, etc? | 05:18 |
| marcin_ant | ajmitch, for example I build package with libraries compiled to i486 subdir but packages are *i386.deb | 05:19 |
| ajmitch | yes | 05:19 |
| ajmitch | hysterical raisins | 05:19 |
| marcin_ant | ajmitch, pretty weird but I'm too tired to talk about it today | 05:19 |
| ajmitch | sure, and I'm not the best person to answer | 05:19 |
| marcin_ant | ajmitch, it's 5am here and I need to go to bed | 05:19 |
| marcin_ant | ajmitch, night | 05:20 |
| ajmitch | night | 05:20 |
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| bddebian | Heh, if I change LIBS="-L$x_libraries" to LIBS="$LIBS", prokyon3 builds fine. WTF? | 06:13 |
| bddebian | Gnight folks | 06:31 |
| hub__ | hi | 06:46 |
| hub__ | launchpad sent me a message to validate my GPG jey | 06:47 |
| hub__ | key | 06:47 |
| hub__ | I can't decrypt it :-( | 06:47 |
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| siretart | morning | 08:28 |
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| dholbach | brb | 08:39 |
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| hub__ | hi | 08:51 |
| dholbach | good morning hub__ :) | 08:56 |
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| crimsun | boy am I glad there's a copy of udev ubuntu12 in /var/cache/apt/archives/ | 09:37 |
| mvo | hi all! if someone has a bit of time, it would be cool if he would have a look at efax-gtk. we have 3.0.2, debian 3.0.4. I got a mail asking if we would consider updating to 3.0.4. it would be nice if someone could have a look. | 09:38 |
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| \sh | mvo: hmmm...i can't test it... | 09:41 |
| sivang | morning all | 09:41 |
| \sh | or is it only a frontend to some fax backend? | 09:41 |
| \sh | btw...heise.de reports about skubuntu and edubuntu | 09:41 |
| \sh | http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/64089 | 09:41 |
| mvo | \sh: AFAIK it's only a frontend for efax | 09:42 |
| \sh | mvo: ok..I'll test the compileness ,-) | 09:43 |
| mvo | \sh: looking over the changelog would be nice as well :) but I guess universe is not quite that deeply frozen yet? | 09:44 |
| shawarma | \sh: It turns out vpnc isn't a broken as it seemed... I just fixed the ref to vpnc-script. All the other weird errors kind of went away. | 09:44 |
| \sh | mvo: no...but u fixed some g++-4 issues in 3.0.2 so I think it should be fixed..if not..I will fix it | 09:45 |
| \sh | shawarma: can u provide me the patches as debdiff? | 09:45 |
| \sh | shawarma: so i can fix it directly in the package | 09:46 |
| dholbach | i take the dog out... bbl | 09:46 |
| shawarma | \sh: Er... I don't know. How do I do that? | 09:46 |
| \sh | shawarma: apt-get source vpnc | 09:47 |
| \sh | and incorporate the changes | 09:47 |
| \sh | add your changes to debian/changelog | 09:47 |
| shawarma | Done | 09:47 |
| shawarma | And then? | 09:48 |
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| ivoks | hello | 09:55 |
| shawarma | \sh: right, I've made a debdiff of it... Should I mail it to you? | 09:57 |
| shawarma | hi, ivoks. | 10:05 |
| \sh | shawarma: yeah...sh@sourcecode.de | 10:05 |
| shawarma | Ok.. I'm curious... Why is that easier than going through revu? | 10:06 |
| shawarma | I was under the impression that the people with upload privileges could just click a button i revu and magic would happen.. | 10:06 |
| \sh | shawarma: not now :) it will be integrated in the future ;) ,-) | 10:07 |
| siretart | shawarma: revu should be an improvement to putting links to your packages on the wiki | 10:07 |
| \sh | but I would like to do it manually...cause I'm responsible when I sign other packages | 10:07 |
| shawarma | \sh: Ok. The thing is that I've already uploaded it to REVU... Can you remove it from there? | 10:07 |
| \sh | shawarma: oh...the package? i will grab it from there...np | 10:08 |
| siretart | shawarma: make a comment under your upload, every revu admin can nuke uploads then | 10:08 |
| siretart | morning, sh, btw ;) | 10:08 |
| \sh | hey siretart :) | 10:09 |
| \sh | but first I need a cup of coffee and a smoke ;) | 10:09 |
| \sh | brb | 10:09 |
| siretart | coffee, good idea, brb ;) | 10:17 |
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| \sh | back | 10:22 |
| hub__ | good idea | 10:22 |
| \sh | mvo: ok with u to sync from debian (efax-gtk) and overwrite the ubuntu changes? (it's only your g++-4 patch, but this went upstream) | 10:23 |
| hub__ | but I should get sleep first | 10:23 |
| mvo | \sh: sure, if 3.0.4 looks good | 10:23 |
| \sh | install tests are running now ;) | 10:25 |
| hub__ | dholbach: you run amd64, don't you? | 10:25 |
| \sh | looks ok | 10:26 |
| \sh | but I can't test it with efax. | 10:26 |
| \sh | i'll request a sync | 10:26 |
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| \sh | shawarma: can u make dpatches from your changes and put them in debian/patches? please adjust as well 00list in debian/patches thx :) | 10:32 |
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| shawarma | \sh: What's the point of the 00list file? | 10:36 |
| shawarma | \sh: It should just contain the filename of my patch, right? | 10:37 |
| \sh | shawarma: yes :) | 10:38 |
| \sh | please use dpatch-edit-patch to get the other patches as well inside your change...dpatch-edit-patch <your patch name> <last-dpatch-filename-to-apply> | 10:39 |
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| shawarma | Hmm.... I didn't add the last-dpatch-filename-to-apply argument, but it looks ok.. | 10:42 |
| shawarma | I've uploaded it to revu. I'm behind this annoying proxy, so it's kind of hard for me to send e-mail, but ftp is ok. | 10:43 |
| dholbach | hub__: yes, i do, but i have a problem with that box atm - do you want me to check something? | 10:43 |
| hub__ | dholbach: just wondering if I was not mistaken with the error you got with my package :-/ | 10:43 |
| dholbach | ah, hm :/ | 10:43 |
| \sh | shawarma: ok...grabbing it :) | 10:44 |
| shawarma | \sh: What's the point of that last argument to dpatch-edit-patch? | 10:44 |
| hub__ | if only I had an amd64 | 10:44 |
| dholbach | hub__: you may want to talk to Mithrandir | 10:45 |
| hub__ | why does he have? | 10:45 |
| \sh | shawarma: it takes the last patch which should be applied in the row.. | 10:48 |
| shawarma | \sh: And why wouldn't that always be the last one? | 10:49 |
| \sh | shawarma: honestly..I was thinking all the time, that dpatch-edit-patch is using 00list..to get the patch queue | 10:50 |
| \sh | shawarma: but I don't know..I dislike dpatch | 10:51 |
| shawarma | ....then why did you tell me to use it? | 10:51 |
| \sh | shawarma: because I used it all the time ;) | 10:51 |
| \sh | shawarma: or better to say...if u want to integrate a patch in bettwen the start and the end..u can use this ;) | 10:52 |
| \sh | shawarma: u r whitelisted for katie and -changes? | 10:52 |
| shawarma | \sh: I have no idea what that means. | 10:54 |
| shawarma | \sh: Who or what is katie? | 10:54 |
| dholbach | the buildd | 10:55 |
| dholbach | it will send you a receipt mail | 10:55 |
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| shawarma | I see.. and being whitelisted for katie and -changes mean to be able to throw stuff at buildd and have it build stuff for me? | 10:57 |
| \sh | shawarma: uploaded :) | 10:58 |
| \sh | shawarma: no..but u see the katie mails that the source is accepted | 10:58 |
| \sh | and on -changes we can read your name | 10:58 |
| \sh | well...it's accepted and u r not whitelisted..please send a mail with your email address from changelog files please check wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads how to be whitelisted | 10:59 |
| hub__ | dholbach: ok | 11:01 |
| hub__ | off to bed now | 11:01 |
| dholbach | hub__: good night | 11:02 |
| \sh | siretart: IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/srv/revu1/removals.txt' | 11:06 |
| \sh | siretart: when I want to nuke ;) | 11:06 |
| shawarma | \sh: I can't add myself to the whitelist.. I get an error from Ubuntus mail server. Who should i bug about this? | 11:09 |
| \sh | shawarma: no..u have to send it to upload or uploads@ubuntulinux.org... | 11:10 |
| shawarma | \sh: That's what I did. | 11:10 |
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| \sh | shawarma: ping elmo and ask him what happened..he is the whitelist manager :) | 11:11 |
| shawarma | \sh: The address is apparantly rewritten to archive@durville.ubuntu.com which in turn is unknown. | 11:11 |
| shawarma | \sh: Great. Thanks. | 11:11 |
| siretart | \sh: damn. permission problems.. | 11:14 |
| siretart | -rw-r--rw- 1 siretart www-data 426 Sep 17 06:54 removals.txt | 11:14 |
| siretart | wtf? somethings weird going on.. | 11:14 |
| \sh | siretart: hmmm | 11:14 |
| \sh | who changed this | 11:14 |
| siretart | fixed | 11:14 |
| \sh | siretart: thx :) | 11:15 |
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| shawarma | \sh: Do you happen to know where elmo is? Geographically, that is.. If he's in the US there's not much point in trying to reach him now. | 11:52 |
| Nafallo | UK, London | 11:53 |
| shawarma | Nafallo: Hehe.. His away message says "sleep".. It's 10:54 in London right now. :-D | 11:54 |
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| Nafallo | I believe he's sleep-pattern have crashed then ;-) | 11:55 |
| ogra | shawarma, he is usually up until 3 or 4 am | 11:55 |
| shawarma | ogra: Oh, that explains. | 11:55 |
| Nafallo | s/he\'s/his/ | 11:56 |
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| Tonio- | hi everyone | 12:46 |
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| ivoks | hi | 01:05 |
| \sh | back from lunch pause | 01:05 |
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| ajmitch | evening all | 01:10 |
| ivoks | hi | 01:10 |
| ivoks | i just did fresh install | 01:10 |
| ivoks | and... usb doesn't work, mouse doesn't work... hm... | 01:11 |
| Treenaks | ivoks: udev is b0rken | 01:11 |
| ivoks | ah, ok | 01:11 |
| Treenaks | let's do some fingerpointing ;) | 01:11 |
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| \sh | hmm...wasn't there a new upload? | 01:12 |
| Nafallo | \sh: ubuntu13 is broken :-) | 01:12 |
| ajmitch | \sh: I've booked my UBZ flights ;) | 01:12 |
| Treenaks | ajmitch: cool :) | 01:12 |
| Nafallo | ... and that was the "new" upload :-) | 01:12 |
| Nafallo | or newest | 01:13 |
| \sh | oh... | 01:13 |
| \sh | hm...will see it this evening when I reboot my laptop ;) | 01:13 |
| === ivoks will not be going to UBZ :( | ||
| === ajmitch already has issues - indeterminate as to which package is causing X to go wonky on lid close | ||
| Treenaks | ivoks: :( | 01:15 |
| ajmitch | ivoks: that's a shame | 01:15 |
| Treenaks | I found a really cheap hostel :) | 01:15 |
| Treenaks | see foodfight.org/log :) | 01:15 |
| ajmitch | even cheaper than the one we know about already? | 01:16 |
| ajmitch | ah, same one | 01:16 |
| Treenaks | ajmitch: yeah, same one probably | 01:16 |
| ivoks | yeah, well... money is problem | 01:16 |
| Treenaks | ivoks: where are you from then? | 01:16 |
| ivoks | Treenaks: croatia | 01:16 |
| Treenaks | ivoks: hmm | 01:17 |
| ivoks | but i have to pay universty next year | 01:17 |
| ivoks | 1000euros | 01:17 |
| Treenaks | ivoks: hmm... too bad :( | 01:17 |
| ivoks | yeah, i know :( | 01:17 |
| ivoks | i hope i will join you guys on 6.04 | 01:18 |
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| Treenaks | ivoks: I missed UDU because I couldn't get the time off :( | 01:19 |
| Treenaks | ivoks: so not everything's lost | 01:19 |
| ivoks | i don't think it's lost, just won't be joining you in conversations | 01:19 |
| \sh | ajmitch: rock man :) | 01:22 |
| ajmitch | ivoks: why not? we have irc :) | 01:22 |
| ivoks | ajmitch: sure on irc :) | 01:23 |
| Treenaks | ajmitch: you think there will be bandwidth?! | 01:24 |
| ajmitch | Treenaks: more than at UDU, I bet | 01:24 |
| Treenaks | ajmitch: UDU had 0 ? :) | 01:25 |
| ajmitch | something approximating 0 ;) | 01:25 |
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| ajmitch | hmm | 01:35 |
| ajmitch | my DSL bandwidth monitoring at my ISP has only been functional 4 days this month ;) | 01:35 |
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| Nafallo | much easier to not have quota ;-) | 01:47 |
| ajmitch | :P | 01:54 |
| ajmitch | not all of us live in such countries | 01:54 |
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| Yagisan | anyone here testing the ltsp feature in breezy ? | 03:14 |
| zyga | Yagisan: ltsp? | 03:17 |
| Yagisan | linux terminal server project | 03:18 |
| ogra | Yagisan, #edubuntu ;) | 03:18 |
| ogra | its built around that | 03:19 |
| Yagisan | I just won a few pentium 2's off ebay | 03:19 |
| Yagisan | thought I'd give them to wife and kids | 03:19 |
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| Yagisan | and power them off my amd64 beast | 03:19 |
| Yagisan | ogra: thanks | 03:21 |
| ogra | Yagisan, thanks as well, i search eagerly for testers :) | 03:22 |
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| \sh | lamont: u r in germany? Greetings to Martin 'Joey' Schulze ... from a former #linuxger@ircnet member ,-) | 03:32 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:34 |
| lamont | \sh: he says hi back to you. | 03:35 |
| \sh | lamont: I hope u enjoy your stay in germany :) actually u will have cold nights and warm days this week ;) | 03:36 |
| bddebian | Heya \sh | 03:37 |
| \sh | hey bddebian :) | 03:37 |
| dholbach | slomo_: what do you think about bugzilla #9093? | 03:38 |
| slomo_ | hmm... probably can be included... but do we have someone to test it with xmms? i don't use it anymore ;) | 03:39 |
| slomo_ | from a quick view over the patch it looks good | 03:40 |
| dholbach | you should have a media mailing list, i could assign the bug to ;) | 03:40 |
| slomo_ | there is one ;) | 03:41 |
| slomo_ | motumedia@tauware.de | 03:41 |
| dholbach | oh wow | 03:41 |
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| bddebian | So who is the autoconf/automake foo Master? | 03:42 |
| slomo_ | bddebian: nobody is... but why don't you just ask your question? :P | 03:42 |
| dholbach | slomo: grmbl, bugzilla doesnt like motumedia@tauware,de yet :) | 03:42 |
| slomo | shawarma: hi... i think you should promote the libmms main inclusion a bit more as it's now finally in universe and people can begin to look at it ;) | 03:43 |
| slomo | dholbach: just assign it to me so i don't forget it ;) | 03:43 |
| mgalvin | hi all, long time no see | 03:43 |
| dholbach | slomo: right | 03:43 |
| slomo | dholbach: oh wait... xmms is main... forget it ;) | 03:43 |
| bddebian | Well in prokyon3 right before it does AC_CHECK_LIB(z, main, [] , ...) it does $LIBS="-L$x_libraries" and I cannot figure out where x_libraries comes from. | 03:43 |
| shawarma | slomo: Like bitch about it on ubuntu-devel mailing list? | 03:43 |
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| dholbach | slomo: if you discuss it, i'll sponsor the upload | 03:44 |
| bddebian | In fact, right now it's blank. If I change that line to $LIBS="$LIBS" it compiles fine. | 03:44 |
| slomo | shawarma: no... like replying to your own mail and saying that it is in universe now ;) | 03:44 |
| shawarma | slomo: Good point. | 03:44 |
| \sh | Oh well... | 03:45 |
| slomo | bddebian: look at configure --help... there should be something like --with-x-libs or something... give it /usr/lib as parameter... and /usr/include for the x includes | 03:45 |
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| slomo | dholbach: i have not enough time for such stuff currently ;) for dapper maybe... | 03:46 |
| slomo | \sh: why? what happened? | 03:46 |
| \sh | slomo: I found on www.linuxger.de on the ex-members of this irc channel my old NickName | 03:46 |
| dholbach | slomo: i can imagine | 03:46 |
| slomo | \sh: and what's so bad about it? | 03:47 |
| \sh | lamont: Tell 'Joey' to change the nickname in front of "Stephan Hermann" into '\sh' please ... the ones standing there is too old ,-) | 03:47 |
| slomo | dholbach: do you know someone who still uses xmms? | 03:48 |
| \sh | slomo: "FlirtMan - Stephan Hermann" | 03:48 |
| dholbach | slomo: mvo does ;) | 03:48 |
| \sh | it all started 1993 | 03:48 |
| bddebian | \sh: :) | 03:48 |
| \sh | my past kills me sometimes...oh well | 03:48 |
| slomo | dholbach: ok, i'll try to keep it in mind and ask him when i'm bored ;) | 03:48 |
| mvo | slomo: what's wrong with xmms? | 03:49 |
| slomo | \sh: luckily nothing like this exists about me ;) at least i found nothing | 03:49 |
| slomo | mvo: nothing... but bugzilla #9093 may be worth a thought :) | 03:49 |
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| \sh | slomo: the good thing from those times were: we didn't need any dating portal sites to meet girls ;-) | 03:50 |
| bddebian | heh | 03:50 |
| \sh | slomo: we just met and had s*x | 03:50 |
| \sh | i mean not in this linuxger channel... | 03:50 |
| slomo | \sh: hmm, why were the old times always better than today? :P | 03:53 |
| \sh | slomo: oh...those statements are "old farts" behaviour..when I was young my father was telling me this and I said: "Go away, u fool" ..but today...I'm the "old fart" and ah completly OT ;) | 03:54 |
| bddebian | Hey, don't talk about us old farts ;-) | 03:56 |
| mvo | slomo: #9093 is already fixed. debian-xmms got the patch some months ago and we synced it | 03:58 |
| mvo | slomo: but thanks for telling :) | 03:58 |
| slomo | mvo: ok, good to know :) | 03:59 |
| dholbach | slomo: s | 04:01 |
| dholbach | slomo: do we have mms gstreamer plugins? | 04:01 |
| slomo | dholbach: seb128 tries to get libmms in main for breezy... then we have them ;) | 04:01 |
| dholbach | i see | 04:01 |
| dholbach | #10050 | 04:01 |
| dholbach | is all about it | 04:01 |
| slomo | dholbach: we agreed that g-p-m should only contain multiverse stuff that will never be in debian as otherwise conflicts may happen and he has to add conflicts/replaces to the gst-plugins package instead of just taking the debian version | 04:02 |
| dholbach | i see | 04:03 |
| dholbach | what about gstreamer0.8-plugins-universe? :-p | 04:03 |
| dholbach | where stuff can be tested | 04:03 |
| slomo | and we already have such problem :P i want to have wavpack in debian when it matured a bit | 04:03 |
| slomo | dholbach: same problem ;) | 04:03 |
| slomo | otherwise i would do it instantly | 04:04 |
| dholbach | want to be on the CC list for 10050? | 04:04 |
| slomo | already added me there ;) | 04:05 |
| slomo | python comments are started with #? | 04:07 |
| dholbach | yes (if they're not the hashbang line :)) | 04:07 |
| slomo | haha... i got launchpad karma for nothing ;) | 04:09 |
| slomo | (except translations upstream...) | 04:09 |
| slomo | how does LP verify that this was me and not someone else with my name? | 04:09 |
| bddebian | slomo: Well I got a karma of 378 for nothing ;-P | 04:12 |
| slomo | what did you do? | 04:12 |
| bddebian | Just closed a bunch of random bugs ;-) | 04:12 |
| slomo | doko: where is the filebrowser in spe? and why does it nothing when i select default as webbrowser and works when i select for example firefox? ;) | 04:16 |
| slomo | hmm... insane version number... openoffice.org2-amd64 (1.9.129-0.1ubuntu1-0ubuntu1) | 04:17 |
| slomo | dholbach: you know something about python? can you tell me how i can do "printf-debugging" in python? ;) i added a print to the relevant part of the sources and it doesn't print anything :( | 04:22 |
| doko | slomo: don't know ... | 04:22 |
| slomo | doko: ok, i'll try to fix the browser stuff... but you don't know where the filebrowser is? hmm... maybe there isn't one? ;) | 04:23 |
| \sh | slomo: what du u want to do? | 04:23 |
| slomo | \sh: i want to have the contents of one variable... print variableName doesn't work | 04:24 |
| shackan | it should.. | 04:24 |
| \sh | print "%s" % variable? | 04:24 |
| \sh | slomo: variable must be a python string for "print variable" to work | 04:25 |
| slomo | it is a string | 04:25 |
| \sh | slomo: u sure? | 04:25 |
| \sh | a python string or something else? | 04:25 |
| shackan | oh well, you can print also numbers, there's some implicit conversion | 04:26 |
| slomo | i hope ;) it should contain a filename | 04:26 |
| shackan | str(variableName) converts to a string, if it's not one already | 04:26 |
| \sh | shackan: truwe | 04:26 |
| \sh | true even | 04:26 |
| slomo | but it should print some kind of error when it's no string... | 04:27 |
| jamessan|work | \sh: actually, it can be anything that has a __str__ method. Python will do the conversion for you | 04:27 |
| shackan | slomo, but you're that that line gets executed ? | 04:27 |
| shackan | *you're sure, sorry | 04:27 |
| slomo | shackan: yes... but i have to leave now for some minutes ;) brb | 04:28 |
| \sh | jamessan|work: QString bla; is as well a string, and I can do what ever i want..but print doesn't work..without a str() conversion | 04:28 |
| jamessan|work | QString? | 04:28 |
| \sh | PyQT ;) | 04:28 |
| shackan | argh | 04:28 |
| shackan | so you have to explicitly cast to a python string first ? | 04:29 |
| \sh | yepp | 04:29 |
| jamessan|work | \sh: well, my simple class of: class Foo(object): def __str__(self): return 'foo' works fine when I print an instance | 04:29 |
| \sh | jamessan|work: the problem is, if the value is not complying to the python string standard (utf8 bla) it won't print...try it with pyqt...it's quite annoying... | 04:30 |
| shackan | so what strange format are qt strings ? | 04:31 |
| \sh | shackan: utf8 converted c-strings | 04:31 |
| \sh | actually it's more a bytestream ,-) | 04:31 |
| shackan | if they're utf8 internally, they should work out of the box... | 04:32 |
| \sh | shackan: not at all..as i said it's something else..but not a normal string.. | 04:33 |
| shackan | ok I don't understand english, sorry, anyway, I like pygtk and wanted to try some pyqt but what you say makes me change idea :) | 04:33 |
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| mbreit | hi everyone | 05:12 |
| bddebian | Heya mbreit | 05:12 |
| mbreit | lamont: did you look at the scons/ardour-problem on the buildds? | 05:12 |
| lamont | mbreit: I think I did, but don't remember any more... will look again | 05:15 |
| mbreit | lamont: thanks.... i have now a second package that does not build on the buildd but works fine in my pbuilder... and guess what build-system it uses ;) | 05:16 |
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| === lamont executes sbuild -dbreezy -A ardour_0.9beta29-5ubuntu1 on his laptop, so that he can see the error | ||
| bddebian | Heya ivoks | 05:22 |
| === ivoks will compare his laptop after windoos installation and same laptop after ubuntu installation | ||
| lamont | mbreit: most strange... works for me... scheduled rebuilds for a few minutes hence | 05:26 |
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| mbreit | where is the difference in building it with pbuilder or sbuild? | 05:28 |
| bddebian | OK, is it --with-x-libraries=/foo/bar or --x-libraries=/foo/bar ? | 05:35 |
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| spayne | hey all | 05:51 |
| bddebian | Heya spa | 05:51 |
| lamont | anyone working on fixing prokyon3? | 05:51 |
| bddebian | Err spayne | 05:52 |
| bddebian | lamont: Right now | 05:52 |
| bddebian | lamont: I think I just figured it out | 05:52 |
| spayne | right | 05:52 |
| spayne | i wouldl like to become a MOTU | 05:52 |
| spayne | or a universe package maintainer | 05:52 |
| spayne | if they are the same thing | 05:52 |
| bddebian | spayne: Go for it :-) | 05:52 |
| bddebian | lamont: Why, you need something? | 05:53 |
| lamont | well, it's FTBFS | 05:54 |
| bddebian | lamont: I know. It built fine here for me before I uploaded. I will re-upload here in a minute. | 05:54 |
| \sh | re guys | 05:55 |
| lamont | bddebian: in a clean chroot? | 05:55 |
| bddebian | wb \sh | 05:55 |
| \sh | ogra: ping | 05:55 |
| ogra | pong | 05:55 |
| bddebian | lamont: Probably not :-( | 05:55 |
| spayne | where is the best place to start? | 05:55 |
| spayne | i have never package before | 05:55 |
| spayne | but keen to learn | 05:55 |
| bddebian | I had some whacky pbuilder stuff going on | 05:55 |
| \sh | ogra: it looks like that i can't attend at tomorrows motu meeting...we get visitors from iesy..and I have to play the clown aeh host | 05:55 |
| lamont | bddebian: in a clean chroot, we wind up with LIBS='-L', which then causes gcc to bitch beacuse -L expects an argument. | 05:56 |
| lamont | appears that x_libraries="" | 05:56 |
| bddebian | Yep | 05:56 |
| ogra | \sh, no porb... | 05:56 |
| bddebian | I'm gonna pass --x-libraries=/usr/lib and --x-includes=/usr/include/X11 to configure | 05:56 |
| lamont | so anyway, it's not a -build upload that is needed, of course. | 05:56 |
| ogra | prob too | 05:56 |
| \sh | ogra: i will fill u in with the important infos in a query..so u can jump for me in | 05:57 |
| siretart | spayne: have you had a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources? | 05:57 |
| === spayne goes there | ||
| siretart | spayne: it has some interesting links under the 'new to packaging' section, espc. the new maintainer guide | 05:57 |
| === siretart heads home, cu! | ||
| \sh | ogra: better i put in on the agenda :) | 05:57 |
| lamont | bddebian: if a package has 'failed' logs on all the architectures, please don't upload a -build to trigger a rebuild attempt | 05:57 |
| ogra | \sh, yup.. | 05:58 |
| lamont | bddebian: -build is for when the version in question already exists in the archive (binary), and you need to rebuild it. | 05:58 |
| spayne | where is the best place to start for a new guy | 05:58 |
| spayne | a.) new package | 05:58 |
| spayne | b.) rebuild a debian packe | 05:59 |
| mbreit | lamont: ardour has failed again, same error | 05:59 |
| lamont | mbreit: woot | 05:59 |
| lamont | mbreit: have I mentioned that I hate it. | 06:00 |
| bddebian | lamont: I know, I was only working from the libqt3c102-mt-dev depends | 06:00 |
| mbreit | lamont: for some reason it does not find alsa/asoundlib.h which is in libasound2-dev | 06:00 |
| mbreit | i guess it's a scons problem | 06:00 |
| bddebian | spayne: Probably pull an existing package and poke around and see if you can "fix" it. :-) | 06:01 |
| spayne | any suggestions? | 06:01 |
| lamont | mbreit: yeah, kicking things around a little bit more to get more info | 06:01 |
| mbreit | lamont: could you look at cheesetracker as well? seems to be the same problem... builds fine here but not on buildd and uses scons ;) | 06:04 |
| bddebian | spayne: Look at the UniverseUnmetDeps wiki page or MOTUTodo | 06:06 |
| lamont | file SConstruct,line 341: | 06:08 |
| lamont | Configure( confdir = .sconf_temp ) | 06:08 |
| lamont | Checking for C header file alsa/asoundlib.h... .sconf_temp/conftest_0.c <- | 06:08 |
| lamont | | | 06:08 |
| lamont | |#include "alsa/asoundlib.h" | 06:08 |
| lamont | | | 06:08 |
| lamont | | | 06:08 |
| lamont | gcc -I. -c -o .sconf_temp/conftest_0.o .sconf_temp/conftest_0.c | 06:08 |
| lamont | scons: *** [.sconf_temp/conftest_0.o] Error 1 | 06:08 |
| lamont | no | 06:08 |
| lamont | mbreit: ^^^ | 06:08 |
| mbreit | lamont: is there no gcc-output (error-message) or does gcc succeed and scons just thinks it failed? | 06:09 |
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| lamont | that was the entire chunk of config.log | 06:10 |
| mbreit | lamont: that looks like the cheesetracker error... there is also a gcc call with no error message but scons saying it failed | 06:10 |
| spayne | there are two packages i know of | 06:10 |
| spayne | which are not in universe | 06:10 |
| spayne | vnc2swf and wv-dev | 06:11 |
| spayne | i could build these but i'm not sure i'f it will be too hard | 06:11 |
| ogra | spayne, i thought \sh had packaged vnc2swf as his first package... | 06:12 |
| zyga | hello, is there anyone that could help me dbus wise? :) | 06:12 |
| \sh | spayne: vnc2swf its on my todo | 06:12 |
| \sh | ogra: yes...quite horrible..i will push it for dapper...cause there are a lot of updates | 06:12 |
| spayne | oh well :-( | 06:12 |
| spayne | all these ToDo packages seem difficult | 06:12 |
| ogra | \sh, rather rewrite it as vnc2ogg :) | 06:13 |
| \sh | spayne: vnc2swf is a bitch..it needs an old lib | 06:13 |
| spayne | the new python ones doesn't | 06:13 |
| \sh | ogra: it works as well on amd64 with the gplflash lib | 06:13 |
| spayne | \sh: pyvnc2swf kicks ass | 06:13 |
| spayne | it doesn't need ming 0.2 | 06:13 |
| \sh | spayne: oh...u see..then u can package it :) but i hope it works on amd64 as well :) | 06:13 |
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| spayne | \sh: i am new remember - never packageed before ;-) | 06:14 |
| spayne | any thoughts upon this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch | 06:14 |
| \sh | ogra / siretart / bddebian: please have a look on the motu agenda for tomorrow and check if i forgot something, thx | 06:14 |
| \sh | spayne: it was me | 06:14 |
| spayne | \sh: it must be good then :-) | 06:14 |
| \sh | spayne: my first 18 hours of packaging...but I have to finish it, with something easier...TIME I NEED TIME | 06:15 |
| spayne | \sh: the only deps seem to be Python 2.3 and PyGame 1.7 | 06:15 |
| spayne | \sh: the only deps seem to be Python 2.3 and PyGame 1.6 even | 06:15 |
| \sh | spayne: our rule: python2.4 | 06:15 |
| spayne | yeh | 06:15 |
| \sh | and wth is pygame | 06:15 |
| spayne | well, here i go | 06:15 |
| spayne | obviously, i'm on Breezy | 06:16 |
| \sh | spayne: yes..good..so python2.4 has to be standard...but you can provide python2.3 packages as well..no 2.2/2.1 packages please | 06:16 |
| spayne | i will see what i can do | 06:16 |
| spayne | is it ok to ask here if i get stuck? | 06:16 |
| \sh | spayne: for this reason we're here :) | 06:17 |
| spayne | any other Wiki pages i should take a glance at? | 06:17 |
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| \sh | DeveloperResources, PbuilderHowto, check the CDBS Manual (there is a link on DeveloperResources), get familiar with gpg, devscripts debhelper dpatch etc. pp. | 06:18 |
| spayne | obviously, i need DebootstrapChroot? | 06:18 |
| bddebian | \sh: I'll check it out | 06:19 |
| \sh | spayne: u need pbuilder | 06:19 |
| \sh | bddebian: thx | 06:19 |
| spayne | not DebootstrapChroot? | 06:19 |
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| spayne | \sh: not DebootstrapChroot? | 06:20 |
| \sh | spayne: only when u have serious troubles with the source..then u can check it out with fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage in a chroot | 06:20 |
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| spayne | \sh: so i set up pbuilder and then have a bash at getting it working? | 06:21 |
| \sh | spayne: pbuilder is always clean, a debchroot isn't | 06:21 |
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| \sh | spayne: check PbuilderHowto :) | 06:21 |
| \sh | spayne: and man dh_make | 06:21 |
| \sh | or was it dh-make? | 06:21 |
| spayne | so, if i make a pyvnc2swf, what happens next? | 06:25 |
| spayne | also, when i start to make it in chroot, do i run dchroot | 06:26 |
| spayne | or something else for pbuilder? | 06:26 |
| \sh | it's written in the pbuilder document...u create the source package with debuild -S (or -S -sa for new upstream version package) in the debianized source tree | 06:28 |
| \sh | then cd .. | 06:28 |
| \sh | sudo pbuilder build package.dsc | 06:28 |
| \sh | sudo pbuilder build <package>.dsc is better | 06:28 |
| slomo | or instead of debuild use pdebuild | 06:29 |
| \sh | or pdebuild ,) | 06:29 |
| spayne | \sh: you tutorial says to run dchroot -c mychroot -d | 06:29 |
| bddebian | Do none of you ever test around in a pbuilder login first? | 06:29 |
| spayne | \sh: is that pbuilder or not? | 06:30 |
| \sh | spayne: forget my tutorial..that was a tutorial of a n00b ,) | 06:30 |
| spayne | this is confusing | 06:30 |
| \sh | spayne: thats debchroot | 06:30 |
| slomo | bddebian: i sometimes work in a pbuilder login ;) when something needs harder fixing | 06:30 |
| spayne | following two HOWTOs | 06:30 |
| spayne | HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch | 06:30 |
| spayne | and PbuilderHowto | 06:30 |
| \sh | spayne: forget this howto | 06:30 |
| \sh | the HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch..i renew it, when I'm sitting in the plane to UBZ | 06:30 |
| spayne | \sh: so, what should i follow for making a new package then? | 06:31 |
| slomo | spayne: debian new maintainer guide or how it was called... and look at existing similar packages (made by someone sane ;) ) | 06:31 |
| \sh | spayne: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ | 06:31 |
| \sh | PbuilderHowto | 06:31 |
| \sh | DeveloperResources in common | 06:31 |
| spayne | how confusing is http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/? | 06:33 |
| slomo | not confusing imho ;) | 06:34 |
| spayne | http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/PackagingTutorial looks better | 06:35 |
| bddebian | How do I change configure options for a cdbs package? | 06:36 |
| \sh | spayne: but this is only a short excerpt of debian maintainer guide..so read the two :) | 06:36 |
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| \sh | bddebian: DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS := --with-ipv6 --with-foo | 06:37 |
| slomo | bddebian: rtfm ;) https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml#id2501301 | 06:37 |
| slomo | bddebian: DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS | 06:37 |
| \sh | bddebian: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml | 06:37 |
| slomo | lol | 06:38 |
| bddebian | slomo, \sh: that document sucks | 06:38 |
| slomo | bddebian: hmm... why? | 06:38 |
| \sh | bddebian: it gives u everything ,) | 06:38 |
| bddebian | I find it very difficult to read/comprehend | 06:38 |
| \sh | bddebian: it's cdbs | 06:38 |
| bddebian | No, it's broken English ;-P | 06:39 |
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| slomo | bddebian: maybe only for native english speakers ;) | 06:45 |
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| Shufla | hello | 06:50 |
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| slomo | hi Shufla | 06:51 |
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| Shufla | hi slomo | 06:51 |
| Shufla | bye :> | 06:51 |
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| slomo | hm | 06:52 |
| bddebian | slomo: :-) | 06:53 |
| bddebian | Hello shuf | 06:53 |
| bddebian | Err | 06:53 |
| slomo | :) | 06:55 |
| bddebian | For example: That document says "Just add DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS" blah blah. But to where? The rules file? | 06:55 |
| slomo | bddebian: yes | 06:55 |
| bddebian | slomo: Thx man, you ROCK :-) | 06:56 |
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| slomo | everything cdbs related belongs in the rules... except control file managment but this is evil anyway ;) | 06:56 |
| bddebian | Heh | 06:56 |
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| bddebian | lamont: OK, prolyon3 uploaded ;-) | 07:00 |
| slomo | :) | 07:01 |
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| dholbach | re | 07:02 |
| dholbach | spayne: it IS in the archive :-) | 07:05 |
| === spayne is attempting to make his first package | ||
| dholbach | ROCK | 07:06 |
| dholbach | super | 07:06 |
| dholbach | be sure to let me have a look | 07:06 |
| spayne | oh bugger | 07:06 |
| spayne | i just realised i downloaded the sources | 07:06 |
| bddebian | wb dholbach | 07:06 |
| spayne | i just realised i downloaded the binary | 07:06 |
| spayne | not the source | 07:06 |
| dholbach | looking at REVU is a good thing to do - since 1) you see other packaging (attempts) 2) you see the comments | 07:06 |
| slomo | wb dholbach :) | 07:06 |
| dholbach | hey barry, hey sebastian | 07:06 |
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| ivoks | hi | 07:08 |
| bddebian | Heya ivoks | 07:09 |
| spayne | the debian guide | 07:09 |
| spayne | is VERY VERY confusing | 07:09 |
| ivoks | http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/winVSubu.pdf if anyone interested | 07:10 |
| bddebian | spayne: Aye :-( | 07:11 |
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| slomo | spayne: why? | 07:11 |
| spayne | i'm stuck | 07:11 |
| spayne | i've ran dh_make | 07:12 |
| spayne | but what am i meant to do next | 07:12 |
| ivoks | hard part :) | 07:13 |
| ivoks | enter debian and do some editing | 07:13 |
| dholbach | spayne: dh_make and looking at other packaging helps A LOT | 07:13 |
| spayne | what about another python project which is small i can look at? | 07:13 |
| ivoks | spayne: wifi-radar :) | 07:13 |
| spayne | is that simple? | 07:14 |
| ivoks | yes | 07:14 |
| ivoks | 30kb | 07:14 |
| slomo | ivoks: cdbs or dh_python stuff? | 07:15 |
| ivoks | slomo: none :) | 07:15 |
| ivoks | slomo: cp | 07:15 |
| spayne | i have no idea what i am meant to be doing? | 07:16 |
| slomo | ivoks: but dh_python is important for getting the dependencies automatically... and instead of cp you should use dh_install imho | 07:16 |
| ivoks | slomo: that will I do in next revision | 07:16 |
| \sh | ivoks: NICE | 07:17 |
| slomo | ivoks: hmm... is this already in universe? and who advocated it? ;) | 07:17 |
| spayne | this is a python app | 07:18 |
| ivoks | \sh: what? | 07:18 |
| spayne | is that making it more difficult | 07:18 |
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| slomo | spayne: no... sometimes this makes it even easier ;) | 07:18 |
| dholbach | spayne: look at some packages on http://revu.tauware.de | 07:18 |
| dholbach | spayne: look at the .diff.gz and you see what they added to the original upstream tarball | 07:18 |
| dholbach | spayne: and especially look at the comments :) | 07:18 |
| ivoks | slomo: :p | 07:18 |
| spayne | help! | 07:20 |
| slomo | ivoks: it wasn't me... good ;) | 07:20 |
| \sh | ivoks: the pdf | 07:20 |
| \sh | ivoks: is it available for publishing it on the planet??? | 07:20 |
| ivoks | \sh: sure | 07:21 |
| ivoks | \sh: but it needs lecturing :) | 07:21 |
| ivoks | too many mistakes | 07:21 |
| slomo | ivoks: want a third review for wifi radar? ;) | 07:21 |
| ivoks | slomo: no, i will repackage wifi-radar soon | 07:22 |
| ivoks | slomo: beofre breezy goes out | 07:22 |
| ivoks | slomo: so, no worry :) | 07:22 |
| slomo | ivoks: ok :) was this your first package? | 07:22 |
| ivoks | slomo: yes | 07:22 |
| slomo | ivoks: ah... then it was even better than my first one :) but i've rewritten it too ;) | 07:23 |
| ivoks | :) | 07:23 |
| bddebian | Well I've tried: DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS and COMMON_CONFIGURE_FLAGS := --x-libraries=/usr/lib and it still isn't picking them up.. :-( | 07:24 |
| slomo | spayne: look in the debian directory that was created by dh_make... look at each file and compare it with some existing packages until you understand what everything does (by asking or using google ;) ) | 07:24 |
| slomo | bddebian: it's the DEB_* variable... show me the package :) | 07:25 |
| ivoks | slomo: or man ;) | 07:25 |
| \sh | ivoks: forget it :) published | 07:27 |
| \sh | ivoks: http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/102-Laptop-Installation-Windows-vs.-Ubuntu.html | 07:27 |
| ivoks | hehe ok | 07:27 |
| ivoks | man, you are fast :) | 07:28 |
| === ivoks doesn't have time for seriuos blogging :/ | ||
| dholbach | bddebian: you have to be sure you don't add those FLAGS before include-ing the cdbs/*.mk files :) | 07:28 |
| spayne | what is emacsen-install.ex about? | 07:28 |
| slomo | spayne: it's probably useless for you... all the .ex files are examples... and this one is for emacs stuff | 07:29 |
| spayne | emacs? | 07:29 |
| dholbach | it's crack, apart from packages wanting to install some emacs related stuff | 07:29 |
| spayne | and the uwatch thing? | 07:30 |
| slomo | hmm, isn't it called watch nowadays? | 07:30 |
| spayne | yeh | 07:30 |
| === bddebian vomits on emacs | ||
| spayne | do i need the watch thing? | 07:31 |
| slomo | it contains the url (with some regexp) for the upstream tarball... so you can just run uscan for updating to a new upstream version | 07:31 |
| slomo | it fetches the tarball, unpacks it and adds your packaging to it | 07:31 |
| spayne | do i need it though? | 07:31 |
| slomo | no... but it is useful imho | 07:31 |
| bddebian | w0000t, thanks dholbach, slomo!! | 07:32 |
| dholbach | de rien :) | 07:32 |
| dholbach | i ran into that too | 07:32 |
| spayne | what about the menu file | 07:32 |
| dholbach | and blamed upstream for having wrong auto-foo :) | 07:32 |
| bddebian | hehe | 07:32 |
| \sh | ivoks: me neither...but I writing/typing what i'm thinking at the same time..look at the mistakes | 07:32 |
| spayne | i've made a *.menu desktop entry | 07:33 |
| slomo | spayne: exactly how it sounds... debian menu system... similar to the desktop files and afaik it isn't used anymore | 07:33 |
| spayne | how do i tell the package to install it into the right place? | 07:33 |
| ivoks | \sh: i have ivoks.blogspot.com, but didn't post anything new... :/ | 07:33 |
| slomo | spayne: put something to install it in debian/rules... dh_install debian/bla.menu path/where/it/should/be | 07:34 |
| \sh | ivoks: tell jdub u want to have it added to the planet...give him the url, the feed url and a hackgotchi...well...ogra is making nice ones ,) | 07:34 |
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| bddebian | KICK ASS, torcs builds!!! | 07:36 |
| \sh | spayne: u have to be a member | 07:36 |
| spayne | what do you have to do to be a member? | 07:36 |
| slomo | oh i could also be on p.u.c... hm... but i don't want yet ;) | 07:37 |
| \sh | spayne: do some work here, or for ubuntu whatever, document the work on your personal wiki page on wiki.ubuntu.com...if u don't have one...create one | 07:37 |
| bddebian | spayne: Or just annoy people like I do ;-P | 07:37 |
| dholbach | spayne: yeah, bddebian is a great example for that :-p | 07:38 |
| spayne | bddebian: where is your wiki page? | 07:38 |
| bddebian | :'-( | 07:38 |
| dholbach | just kidding :) | 07:38 |
| === dholbach hugs bddebian | ||
| bddebian | spayne: My wiki page sucks but it's BarrydeFreese | 07:38 |
| ivoks | firefox looks ugly on fresh ubuntu :/ | 07:38 |
| \sh | i have to update my wiki page.. | 07:38 |
| dholbach | bddebian: MAN - it doesnt | 07:38 |
| dholbach | i guess i found the first apt-get.org package that is ready to go :) | 07:40 |
| slomo | dholbach: which one? ;) | 07:40 |
| dholbach | jpeg2ps :) | 07:41 |
| slomo | dholbach: are you trying to get the apt-get.org packagers to work with us... or just take the package? | 07:41 |
| dholbach | slomo: both - i will make notes and write them mails shortly before release | 07:42 |
| dholbach | slomo invite them to become part of the crew | 07:42 |
| === bddebian was hoping to get to apt-get org stuff but is focused on UniverseUnmetDeps | ||
| dholbach | bddebian: don't worry | 07:43 |
| slomo | bddebian: unmet deps is important too | 07:43 |
| bddebian | Important to who? No one cares.. ;-P | 07:43 |
| bddebian | *sniff, sniff* poor me.. ;-) | 07:43 |
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| slomo | bddebian: i care :P and i would do the unmet deps stuff... but i'm to busy atm :( | 07:44 |
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| dholbach | somebody should write all the old MOTU farts a mail to invite them to join your efforts, bddebian :) | 07:45 |
| chillywilly | ?!? | 07:46 |
| chillywilly | hi | 07:46 |
| dholbach | hey chillywilly | 07:46 |
| slomo | bbl | 07:46 |
| dholbach | see you slomo | 07:46 |
| bddebian | chillywilly: !! | 07:51 |
| bddebian | dholbach: What are you trying to say?? :-) | 07:51 |
| dholbach | bddebian: re-recruit the old MOTUs :) | 07:53 |
| bddebian | Are there old MOTUs like me? :-) | 07:53 |
| dholbach | wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU has some of them :) | 07:53 |
| bddebian | Maybe I start a SOMOTU Team? :-) | 07:55 |
| bddebian | SO == Soggy Old ;-P | 07:55 |
| ogra | heh | 07:55 |
| dholbach | ogra: what do you think about that? get the old crew together again? :) | 07:57 |
| ogra | why not :) | 07:58 |
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| spayne | how does my page look: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SebPayne | 08:04 |
| === spayne thinks he still stick to documenting | ||
| dholbach | looks nice | 08:06 |
| bddebian | spayne: Nah, if I can do some of this stuff, ANYONE can :-) | 08:12 |
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| dholbach | spayne: bddebian likes his little jokes, he R O C K S ! | 08:15 |
| dholbach | spayne: and we all are proud to have him in the team | 08:15 |
| === dholbach hugs bddebian again :) | ||
| bddebian | pshaw | 08:16 |
| bddebian | :-) | 08:16 |
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| zyga | could someone help me with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU | 08:31 |
| zyga | I need to send my keyid but it does not say on which server that key should be stored... | 08:31 |
| dholbach | send a signed mail to siretart, afaik | 08:32 |
| dholbach | any "normal" keyserver having your key will be fine | 08:32 |
| dholbach | they autosync from each other every now and then | 08:32 |
| siretart | zyga: did you mail me already an request do get your key added? | 08:32 |
| zyga | siretart: no I'm just planning to | 08:32 |
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| siretart | zyga: ok | 08:33 |
| siretart | zyga: whats your keyid? | 08:33 |
| zyga | siretart: I'm not a gpg guru so the thing is a little not-obvious to me :) | 08:33 |
| zyga | B3020F9C | 08:33 |
| zyga | I'm using seahorse to export the key but I guess seahorse is broken... it hangs the application | 08:34 |
| siretart | zyga: try http://tauware.de/content/view/26/52/ ;) | 08:34 |
| siretart | zyga: I cannot find your public key on the keyserver. did you upload them? is your key signed? | 08:35 |
| siretart | zyga: use gpg --export -a B3020F9C | 08:35 |
| dholbach | siretart: why is your blog not on planet.u.c yet? | 08:35 |
| dholbach | :) | 08:35 |
| zyga | siretart: I think I used to when I created it; I don't think it's signed by anyone :) | 08:36 |
| zyga | http://pgp.surfnet.nl:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0xB3020F9C | 08:36 |
| siretart | zyga: ok, your key is added. please try to get your key signed | 08:38 |
| zyga | siretart: okay so I put the result of gpg --export in the mail and signed it, is that enough? | 08:38 |
| zyga | siretart: signed by who? (do I seem lost ;-) ? | 08:39 |
| siretart | zyga: signed preferably by a Ubuntu or Debian developer | 08:39 |
| dholbach | zyga: where do you live? | 08:40 |
| zyga | in Poland, Warsaw | 08:40 |
| dholbach | there should be a couple of debian maintainers in warsaw | 08:40 |
| dholbach | *has a look* | 08:40 |
| siretart | zyga: you will definitly need this, if you want to get your key in the ubuntu keyring, which is a prequisite if you want to upload packages to ubuntu | 08:40 |
| dholbach | zyga: Warszawa: Lukasz Jachowicz <honey@debian.org> | 08:41 |
| siretart | fEnIo is a DD and for sure from Poland, not sure where exactly, though | 08:41 |
| dholbach | zyga: you may want to mail him to get your key signed | 08:41 |
| dholbach | zyga: meet him, bring your fingerprint and your passport/ID | 08:41 |
| dholbach | maybe http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=warsaw too | 08:42 |
| zyga | dholbach: I'll try, thanks | 08:42 |
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| dholbach | zyga: super | 08:43 |
| zyga | okay, I've mailed him... this may take some time I guess :-) | 08:47 |
| zyga | all I'm trying to do is to put a very very popular package into universe | 08:47 |
| zyga | it's already debianized, it works people need it :) | 08:47 |
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| ogra | ARGH ! | 08:57 |
| dholbach | ogra: i very much look forward to meet you again :-p | 08:58 |
| bddebian | dholbach: :) | 08:58 |
| === ogra looks for his earplugs to put them in the trunk for UBZ | ||
| dholbach | :-D | 08:59 |
| ogra | :p | 08:59 |
| === dholbach hugs ogra | ||
| === ogra hugs dholbach | ||
| zyga | umm.... | 08:59 |
| ogra | zyga, ? | 08:59 |
| zyga | no no ... go on ;-) | 08:59 |
| ogra | GROUPHUG ! | 09:00 |
| dholbach | haha | 09:00 |
| bddebian | heh | 09:00 |
| zyga | arghh | 09:00 |
| === ogra hugs zyga and dholbach | ||
| ogra | and bddebian indeed | 09:00 |
| === zyga got cought in a cross hug :-) | ||
| dholbach | ogra: you never played multi user dungeons, did you? | 09:00 |
| === bddebian hugs ogra, dholbach, zyga, siretart, et al | ||
| === zyga wields shield | ||
| === zyga wields sword | ||
| bddebian | heh | 09:00 |
| ogra | heh | 09:00 |
| dholbach | haha | 09:00 |
| ogra | dholbach, ages ago in another life | 09:00 |
| dholbach | i know a german mud, where you could "grouphug" too | 09:00 |
| dholbach | the text that went with it, was very funny | 09:01 |
| dholbach | but i haven't been there for 3-4 years or something | 09:01 |
| zyga | dholbach: hug-side question, eventualy my key will be in the universe keyring? | 09:01 |
| dholbach | zyga: if you become a member and then a motu, then yes | 09:01 |
| dholbach | (are you a motu already?) | 09:02 |
| === dholbach lost track | ||
| zyga | no... | 09:02 |
| dholbach | so that will be the first "station" | 09:02 |
| zyga | I'm a debian/ubuntu newbie with background in programming | 09:02 |
| dholbach | i daresay you already did some work for ubuntu :) | 09:02 |
| dholbach | zyga: you'll manage, i'm quite sure | 09:02 |
| dholbach | zyga: it all comes down to teamplay and involvement | 09:03 |
| dholbach | :) | 09:03 |
| zyga | I'm a karma whore ;] | 09:03 |
| dholbach | woohoo! :) | 09:03 |
| zyga | https://launchpad.net/people/zkrynicki | 09:03 |
| zyga | not much but I'm working on it ;-) | 09:03 |
| zyga | hmm | 09:05 |
| === zyga notices his public key on lanuchpad is different | ||
| zyga | ah... sorry, my mistake | 09:05 |
| === dholbach didn't know about debian/compress - wow | ||
| zyga | dholbach: enlighten us | 09:09 |
| dholbach | it seems that it may contain a list or a shell-portion that generates a list of files that are compressed (in the resulting package) | 09:10 |
| dholbach | it's in one of the apt-get.org packages | 09:10 |
| dholbach | not that i'd use it, but even so | 09:11 |
| ogra | ist that what dh_compress does anyway ? | 09:12 |
| ogra | isnt even | 09:12 |
| dholbach | debian/rules calls dh_compress | 09:12 |
| ogra | yes, for compressing changelog etc... | 09:13 |
| dholbach | *scroll* | 09:13 |
| dholbach | If a debian/package.compress file exists, however, it will be ran as a shell script, and all filenames that the shell script outputs | 09:13 |
| dholbach | will be compressed instead of the default files. The shell script will be run from inside the package build directory. Note though | 09:13 |
| dholbach | that using -X is a much better idea in general; you should only use a debian/package.compress file if you really have to. | 09:13 |
| dholbach | learning with apt-get.org! YAY! :) | 09:13 |
| zyga | hmm :) | 09:13 |
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| \sh | dholbach: in which package is it? | 09:16 |
| zyga | \sh: yodaspeak you do | 09:16 |
| dholbach | \sh: ewb-handbook on debian.or.jp | 09:17 |
| \sh | zyga: yeah.i'm old, green and a little gnome | 09:17 |
| \sh | ,) | 09:17 |
| bddebian | heh | 09:18 |
| dholbach | but watch him go with his light sabre :) | 09:18 |
| \sh | ah well...I'm a computer simulation too | 09:18 |
| \sh | 7nick lisa | 09:18 |
| zyga | hehehe | 09:19 |
| ogra | http://www.h.shuttle.de/mitch/stuff/kenny.html | 09:21 |
| ogra | http://www.h.shuttle.de/mitch/stuff/kenny_1.7-3_all.deb | 09:21 |
| ogra | ;) | 09:21 |
| ogra | better than yodaspeak | 09:21 |
| dholbach | ogra: could you put the repository on AptGetOrg ? :) | 09:22 |
| ogra | heh | 09:22 |
| \sh | dholbach: is apt-get.org your page? | 09:23 |
| dholbach | \sh: you're welcome to assist me :) | 09:24 |
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| dholbach | hey fabio | 09:24 |
| thesaltydog | \sh, I made some test with bluetooth. | 09:24 |
| \sh | dholbach: hehe...bringing those repositories into ubuntu> | 09:24 |
| \sh | ? | 09:25 |
| \sh | no problem... | 09:25 |
| dholbach | \sh: not entire repository, just carefully review packages that might be included | 09:25 |
| zyga | ogra: check the source of http://www.namesuppressed.com/kenny/ for nice easter eggs | 09:25 |
| dholbach | \sh: license, {pre,post}{inst,rm}, security stuff, ... | 09:26 |
| ogra | http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=kenny&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all | 09:26 |
| \sh | dholbach: I think i will join u during the weekend :) | 09:26 |
| ogra | added | 09:26 |
| \sh | i will leave u early today, cause tomorrow i have to play the clown well the host for some managers of iesy | 09:28 |
| \sh | I love it | 09:28 |
| dholbach | super :) | 09:28 |
| \sh | dholbach: this is really not "super" :( we have to catch the knowledge of our resigned teammate and then those suite guys are coming and sniffing around... | 09:31 |
| bddebian | ack | 09:32 |
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| \sh | dholbach: the square with the redcross means no valid repos anymore, the single square means not checked, and the rest with the green arrow means: checked and ok? | 09:42 |
| dholbach | \sh: i did some work on AptGetOrg (the wiki page) already | 09:42 |
| dholbach | (including a test build) | 09:42 |
| \sh | dholbach: this is not much to go...but it's only build on amd64... | 09:45 |
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| dholbach | \sh: you can be sure, that those packages that FTBFS did not FTBFS because of amd64-brokenness | 09:46 |
| dholbach | they are broken themselves :) | 09:46 |
| \sh | dholbach: that's what i thought.... | 09:47 |
| slomo | dholbach: build on sparc64 when you want to know if it's broken because of 64bit or big endian ;) | 09:48 |
| dholbach | haha :) | 09:48 |
| bddebian | :-) | 09:49 |
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| \sh | ok...dudes...i whish u a good night, day, afternoon whereever u are..) | 09:58 |
| \sh | cu tomorrow | 09:58 |
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| slomo | hmm... is launchpad dead? | 10:00 |
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| thesaltydog | slomo, it seems to be... | 10:02 |
| thesaltydog | it was working 2 hours ago. then...stopped. | 10:03 |
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| ajmitch | morning all | 10:43 |
| bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 10:43 |
| dholbach | hey andrew | 10:44 |
| dholbach | how's it going? | 10:44 |
| ajmitch | alright :) | 10:45 |
| dholbach | super :) | 10:45 |
| ajmitch | how is everything in MOTU land? | 10:45 |
| dholbach | guess what i started working on? :) | 10:45 |
| ajmitch | Hubuntu! ;) | 10:45 |
| ajmitch | nah, you wouldn't take that joy off bddebian.. | 10:46 |
| dholbach | nooo :) | 10:46 |
| ajmitch | AptGetOrg! | 10:46 |
| dholbach | yeah :) | 10:46 |
| ajmitch | great | 10:46 |
| dholbach | i found yet another funny copyright file | 10:46 |
| === ajmitch needs a drink | ||
| dholbach | not as funny as the one packaging old sierra games, which stated "this software was downloaded from: the internet - copyright: yes", but even so... | 10:47 |
| slomo | lol | 10:47 |
| slomo | paste it please :) | 10:47 |
| dholbach | And SPICE3f5 (not installer) is distributed under the following licence. | 10:47 |
| dholbach | "Free for people friendly to the U.S.A." | 10:47 |
| ajmitch | ouch | 10:47 |
| slomo | lol | 10:47 |
| dholbach | hahaha | 10:47 |
| ajmitch | nasty ;) | 10:47 |
| dholbach | i will file that under "license questionable", right? :) | 10:47 |
| ajmitch | certainly not DFSG-free ;) | 10:47 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Ha ha :-) | 10:48 |
| ajmitch | I really hope they have power & wifi in some of the airports I'll be stuck in :) | 10:48 |
| ajmitch | hm, looks like vancouver does.. | 10:49 |
| ajmitch | so I'll be able to stay on irc there ;) | 10:49 |
| dholbach | man.... you're a maniac :) | 10:49 |
| ajmitch | haha | 10:50 |
| ajmitch | I'm not that bad | 10:50 |
| dholbach | no, you're not :) | 10:50 |
| ajmitch | what I meant to say was that I could still upload packages from the airport :) | 10:50 |
| slomo | like a new f-spot release? ;) | 10:51 |
| ajmitch | slomo: if it's out | 10:51 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: if dapper is open then | 10:51 |
| dholbach | and another one: Copyright: | 10:51 |
| dholbach | At present, it is written in Japanese only, please see copyright.ja | 10:51 |
| dholbach | and note that it is not allowed to use these fonts for commercial | 10:51 |
| dholbach | purpose and also you can not modify these fonts unless you contacted | 10:51 |
| dholbach | to gt@l.u-tokyo.ac.jp | 10:51 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: breezy was open at UDU | 10:51 |
| dholbach | true | 10:52 |
| slomo | ajmitch: i bet it's already out but they again forgot to publish it ;) | 10:52 |
| ajmitch | slomo: probably | 10:52 |
| ajmitch | hm, not yet :) | 10:52 |
| ajmitch | ok, I have to get off to work | 10:54 |
| ajmitch | I'll be back online soon :) | 10:54 |
| slomo | gn8 everybody :) | 10:57 |
| bddebian | GNight slomo | 10:57 |
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| dholbach | where are all those crazy MOTUPython guys? | 11:25 |
| dholbach | how do i package stuff that wants X, gtk and everything else working in a braindead setup.py? | 11:26 |
| dholbach | neglect setup.py? | 11:26 |
| dholbach | daniel "there must be an easy option" holbach :) | 11:27 |
| dholbach | oh cool, it even wants to install schemas *grmbl* | 11:27 |
| shackan | what's that? | 11:28 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: sounds easy enough | 11:28 |
| dholbach | i see, so drop python-distutils and use debhelper only? | 11:29 |
| ajmitch | no real need to do that | 11:29 |
| === ajmitch uses distutils together with cdbs | ||
| dholbach | yeah, i normally do too | 11:36 |
| dholbach | but this case is different, hrm | 11:36 |
| bddebian | Time to head home, later gang | 11:37 |
| dholbach | bye barry | 11:38 |
| === bddebian hugs dholbach ;-) | ||
| dholbach | :)))) | 11:38 |
| === ajmitch wonders at the amount of hugging & affirmation going on here | ||
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