[12:21] <koke> Nafallo: I don't even find it in packages.d.o
[12:22] <Nafallo> hmm
[12:22] <Nafallo> bad :-P
[12:24] <tseng> doko:   rrdtool: Depends: librrd2 but it is not going to be installed
[12:24] <tseng> doko:   librrd2: Depends: ttf-dejavu but it is not installable
[12:25] <doko> tseng: it's beeing handled -> see main inclusion queue
[12:25] <tseng> doko: rock on, thanks.
[12:29] <koke> ajmitch another one from koke ;)
[12:29] <ajmitch> :)
[12:33] <koke> when I try to recover my pass on REVU I get "None"
[12:33] <koke> python error, I guess
[12:33] <koke> any idea on that?
[12:46] <koke> siretart: around?
[02:06] <bddebian> Do we still not have the myth plugin stuff?
[02:10] <tseng> bddebian: compile it with gcc 3.4 from mdz repo
[02:10] <tseng> bddebian: and i bet it will work fine
[02:16] <bddebian> tseng: Well fix em man :-)
[02:19] <tseng> bddebian: that would be like work.
[02:19] <tseng> bddebian: ajmitch has a guy that says he is working on it
[02:23] <bddebian> Oh good, then I won't :-)
[02:35] <lathiat> hahaha
[02:44] <bddebian> hehehe
[02:51] <bmonty_laptop> doh, did I miss the meeting?
[02:51] <bddebian> Yep :-(
[02:51] <bmonty_laptop> :(
[02:53] <bddebian> Egads, do we still have gcc3.3?
[02:54] <bmonty_laptop> why not?
[02:55] <lathiat> gcc-3.4 we have
[02:55] <lathiat> i think 3.3 is there too
[02:58] <bddebian> Hmm, ghc-cvs build-deps and deps on gcc-3.3
[03:17] <bddebian> python (>= 1.5)??  I'd have to say ghc-cvs is a little old?? :-)
[03:28] <bmonty_laptop> can I get the latest released source from upstream to fix a package with unmetdeps?
[03:28] <bddebian> How do I fix:  "dpkg-deb: control directory has bad permissions..." ??
[03:29] <bddebian> bmonty_laptop: Upstream, upstream or Debian upstream? :-)
[03:29] <bmonty_laptop> upstream upstream
[03:29] <bmonty_laptop> :)
[03:29] <crimsun> if that's the only way to fix it, and it doesn't break anything, I don't see why not
[03:34] <LaserJock> bddebian: did you see the mozilla-locale stuff I updated?
[03:34] <bddebian> LaserJock: Aye, thx
[03:34] <LaserJock> is that ok?
[03:34] <bddebian> Yep
[03:38] <LaserJock> It looked like  mozilla-locale-zh-tw would be easy to fix and I don't think the Debian packages will be updated anytime soon so would it be good to make an ubuntu package?
[03:42] <bddebian> ajmitch: You around?
[03:43] <bddebian> LaserJock: It probably can't hurt
[03:43] <ajmitch> nope
[03:43] <bddebian> ajmitch: Aren't you the zope-meister?
[03:46] <bddebian> Fuck, I give up, I'm going back to video games and pr0n :-)
[03:46] <ajmitch> I do some zope..
[03:46] <lathiat> you do dope?
[03:47] <bddebian> Well I thought I "fixed" zope-popyda but it doesn't install.  failed deps on python2.4-popy
[03:47] <bmonty_laptop> gee....you couldn't see that one coming
[03:49] <ajmitch> bddebian: and..? :)
[03:49] <ajmitch> you want me to look at it instead?
[03:52] <bddebian> You gonna fix python2.4-popy? :-)
[03:52] <ajmitch> maybe
[03:52] <bddebian> Well then I will upload zope-popyda ;-P
[03:53] <ajmitch> if you want to take the blame
[03:54] <bddebian> ajmitch: Blame?
[03:54] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: it got through NEW?
[03:54] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, not yet
[03:54] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, but it is there, which is good
[03:54] <ajmitch> ok
[03:55] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, ok, building now by the looks of it
[03:55] <ajmitch> so it got accepted, so it's through NEW
[03:55] <ajmitch> oh goody, he synced my other stuff :)
[03:59] <bmonty_laptop> hey, I think 2423 should get rejected
[03:59] <bddebian> ajmitch: Take the blame for what??
[04:00] <ajmitch> bddebian: for zope-popyda
[04:00] <bddebian> What blame?
[04:00] <ajmitch> whatever is coming for you :)
[04:01] <LaserJock> where do you guys go to find out what stuff is being synced or uploaded?
[04:02] <crimsun> breezy-changes
[04:03] <bmonty_laptop> the breezy-changes mailing list
[04:03] <LaserJock> ok, cool
[04:04] <bddebian> ajmitch: Do you enjoy talking in circles? :-)
[04:04] <ajmitch> yes
[04:04] <bddebian> bmonty_laptop: I agree reject or close 2423.  It works for me too
[04:04] <ajmitch> you said you thought you fixed it, but it wasn't really fixed
[04:05] <ajmitch> bddebian: the other thing is that zope products need python 2.3
[04:05] <bddebian> Well I'm not going to "upload" it until it does work.  But I would need python2.x-popy anyhow
[04:05] <bmonty_laptop> I'd like to know why gcrontab segfaults on his system, but without debug symbols his stacktrace is useless
[04:12] <tritium> good night
[04:13] <bddebian> Well it builds and installs now.  Not that I know that it "works"
[04:13] <ajmitch> it won't
[04:13] <ajmitch> or at least it won't work well
[04:13] <bddebian> *sigh*
[04:13] <ajmitch> it's been removed from debian
[04:13] <ajmitch> it was meant for python 2.1, and zope 2.6
[04:16] <bmonty_laptop> bddebian: do you have a crontab file your user on the box you tested gcrontab with?
[04:17] <bddebian> bmonty: No
[04:18] <bddebian> ajmitch: OK, what about zope-cmfpgforum?  Same deal?
[04:20] <ajmitch> probably
[04:20] <ajmitch> it's been sitting broken for > 6 months
[04:41] <bddebian> Hey, our bug numbers are going up not down.. :-(
[04:41] <bmonty_laptop> that is what always happens
[04:42] <ajmitch> bddebian: I just closed 2
[04:42] <bddebian> ajmitch: Good man :-)
[04:43] <bmonty_laptop> can we close a bug as unreproducable?
[05:03] <marcin_ant> hi guys
[05:03] <marcin_ant> I got a pretty strange problem
[05:03] <marcin_ant> 1. my CPU is Athlon
[05:03] <bddebian> That's strange ;-)
[05:04] <Burgundavia> marcin_ant, #ubuntu for support
[05:04] <marcin_ant> 2. and the strange thing is that when I want to build some package
[05:04] <marcin_ant> then I get i486-linux-gnu
[05:04] <ajmitch> that's perfectly normal
[05:04] <bddebian> What would you expect to get?
[05:04] <marcin_ant> as DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE (dpkg-architecture)
[05:05] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, well i386? i686? k7 ? but definetly not i486....
[05:06] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, sorry it was for bddebian
[05:07] <marcin_ant> bddebian, I would expect to get i386 or i686 but not i486...
[05:08] <ajmitch> I would expect to get i486
[05:09] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, why?
[05:09] <ajmitch> because that's the architecture that things are built for
[05:09] <ajmitch> i386 just didn't have a couple of things needed
[05:09] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, ok but afaik k7 cpu is not related with i486 at all
[05:10] <ajmitch> yes it is
[05:10] <ajmitch> it's i486 compatible, so packages are built for that arch
[05:10] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, on almost every distro you get things compiled for i386 for compatibility or i586 like in mandrake or i686 on most modern distros
[05:11] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, so k7 packages are compiled for i486?
[05:11] <ajmitch> yes
[05:12] <ajmitch> can you imagine the amount of diskspace required if each package was compiled for i486, 586, i686, P3/P4, K7, etc
[05:12] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, hmm I didn'
[05:12] <marcin_ant> t
[05:12] <marcin_ant> know about it
[05:12] <Amaranth> ajmitch: 8 or so times what they use now?
[05:12] <ajmitch> there was a conscious decision not to build for i386 for compatibility
[05:13] <ajmitch> Amaranth: probably more, given other variants :)
[05:13] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, sure but there are packages that are compiled for k7 (in fact kernel only)
[05:13] <ajmitch> sure
[05:13] <ajmitch> but they're the exception
[05:13] <ajmitch> packages can have autodetecting code themselves if they need it
[05:14] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, anyway if I rebuild packages on my machine I could expect some optimalization for my cpu
[05:14] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, and I thought that athlon is more i686 compatible.. but if it is i486 then ok
[05:14] <ajmitch> well the instruction ordering, etc is done for a modern cpu
[05:14] <hypatia> ajmitch: I'm sorry to nag... but (of course there's a but) what's the status of python-nevow?
[05:15] <Amaranth> yeah, ubuntu packages are built to work on an older CPU but tuned to run better on modern CPUs
[05:15] <ajmitch> hypatia: elmo didn't reply with details of my key, but I'll try & upload again :)
[05:15] <ajmitch> marcin_ant: it's a question that comes up quite often :)
[05:15] <marcin_ant> Burgundavia, btw don't send ppl away - please listen the question first ;)
[05:15] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, about optimalization?
[05:15] <hypatia> ajmitch: how annoying for you :(
[05:16] <ajmitch> marcin_ant: yes
[05:16] <ajmitch> hypatia: not really
[05:16] <ajmitch> hypatia: I'll put it on my todo list for things to look at after work tonight
[05:16] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, propably questions from gentoo users ;) they love it
[05:18] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, in fact all these cpu/arch/dpkg things are pretty weird
[05:18] <ajmitch> like why we don't compile everything with -O9 -fultra-fast, etc?
[05:19] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, for example I build package with libraries compiled to i486 subdir but packages are *i386.deb
[05:19] <ajmitch> yes
[05:19] <ajmitch> hysterical raisins
[05:19] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, pretty weird but I'm too tired to talk about it today
[05:19] <ajmitch> sure, and I'm not the best person to answer
[05:19] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, it's 5am here and I need to go to bed
[05:20] <marcin_ant> ajmitch, night
[05:20] <ajmitch> night
[06:13] <bddebian> Heh, if I change LIBS="-L$x_libraries" to LIBS="$LIBS", prokyon3 builds fine.  WTF?
[06:31] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[06:46] <hub__> hi
[06:47] <hub__> launchpad sent me a message to validate my GPG jey
[06:47] <hub__> key
[06:47] <hub__> I can't decrypt it :-(
[08:28] <siretart> morning
[08:39] <dholbach> brb
[08:51] <hub__> hi
[08:56] <dholbach> good morning hub__ :)
[09:37] <crimsun> boy am I glad there's a copy of udev ubuntu12 in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[09:38] <mvo> hi all! if someone has a bit of time, it would be cool if he would have a look at efax-gtk. we have 3.0.2, debian 3.0.4. I got a mail asking if we would consider updating to 3.0.4. it would be nice if someone could have a look.
[09:41] <\sh> mvo: hmmm...i can't test it...
[09:41] <sivang> morning all
[09:41] <\sh> or is it only a frontend to some fax backend?
[09:41] <\sh> btw...heise.de reports about skubuntu and edubuntu
[09:41] <\sh> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/64089
[09:42] <mvo> \sh: AFAIK it's only a frontend for efax
[09:43] <\sh> mvo: ok..I'll test the compileness ,-)
[09:44] <mvo> \sh: looking over the changelog would be nice as well :) but I guess universe is not quite that deeply frozen yet?
[09:44] <shawarma> \sh: It turns out vpnc isn't a broken as it seemed... I just fixed the ref to vpnc-script. All the other weird errors kind of went away.
[09:45] <\sh> mvo: no...but u fixed some g++-4 issues in 3.0.2 so I think it should be fixed..if not..I will fix it
[09:45] <\sh> shawarma: can u provide me the patches as debdiff?
[09:46] <\sh> shawarma: so i can fix it directly in the package
[09:46] <dholbach> i take the dog out... bbl
[09:46] <shawarma> \sh: Er... I don't know. How do I do that?
[09:47] <\sh> shawarma: apt-get source vpnc
[09:47] <\sh> and incorporate the changes
[09:47] <\sh> add your changes to debian/changelog
[09:47] <shawarma> Done
[09:48] <shawarma> And then?
[09:55] <ivoks> hello
[09:57] <shawarma> \sh: right, I've made a debdiff of it... Should I mail it to you?
[10:05] <shawarma> hi, ivoks.
[10:05] <\sh> shawarma: yeah...sh@sourcecode.de
[10:06] <shawarma> Ok.. I'm curious... Why is that easier than going through revu?
[10:06] <shawarma> I was under the impression that the people with upload privileges could just click a button i revu and magic would happen..
[10:07] <\sh> shawarma: not now :) it will be integrated in the future ;) ,-)
[10:07] <siretart> shawarma: revu should be an improvement to putting links to your packages on the wiki
[10:07] <\sh> but I would like to do it manually...cause I'm responsible when I sign other packages
[10:07] <shawarma> \sh: Ok. The thing is that I've already uploaded it to REVU... Can you remove it from there?
[10:08] <\sh> shawarma: oh...the package? i will grab it from there...np
[10:08] <siretart> shawarma: make a comment under your upload, every revu admin can nuke uploads then
[10:08] <siretart> morning, sh, btw ;)
[10:09] <\sh> hey siretart :)
[10:09] <\sh> but first I need a cup of coffee and a smoke ;)
[10:09] <\sh> brb
[10:17] <siretart> coffee, good idea, brb ;)
[10:22] <\sh> back
[10:22] <hub__> good idea
[10:23] <\sh> mvo: ok with u to sync from debian (efax-gtk) and overwrite the ubuntu changes? (it's only your g++-4 patch, but this went upstream)
[10:23] <hub__> but I should get sleep first
[10:23] <mvo> \sh: sure, if 3.0.4 looks good
[10:25] <\sh> install tests are running now ;)
[10:25] <hub__> dholbach: you run amd64, don't you?
[10:26] <\sh> looks ok
[10:26] <\sh> but I can't test it with efax.
[10:26] <\sh> i'll request a sync
[10:32] <\sh> shawarma: can u make dpatches from your changes and put them in debian/patches? please adjust as well 00list in debian/patches thx :)
[10:36] <shawarma> \sh: What's the point of the 00list file?
[10:37] <shawarma> \sh: It should just contain the filename of my patch, right?
[10:38] <\sh> shawarma: yes :)
[10:39] <\sh> please use dpatch-edit-patch to get the other patches as well inside your change...dpatch-edit-patch <your patch name> <last-dpatch-filename-to-apply>
[10:42] <shawarma> Hmm.... I didn't add the last-dpatch-filename-to-apply argument, but it looks ok..
[10:43] <shawarma> I've uploaded it to revu. I'm behind this annoying proxy, so it's kind of hard for me to send e-mail, but ftp is ok.
[10:43] <dholbach> hub__: yes, i do, but i have a problem with that box atm - do you want me to check something?
[10:43] <hub__> dholbach: just wondering if I was not mistaken with the error you got with my package :-/
[10:43] <dholbach> ah, hm :/
[10:44] <\sh> shawarma: ok...grabbing it :)
[10:44] <shawarma> \sh: What's the point of that last argument to dpatch-edit-patch?
[10:44] <hub__> if only I had an amd64
[10:45] <dholbach> hub__: you may want to talk to Mithrandir
[10:45] <hub__> why does he have?
[10:48] <\sh> shawarma: it takes the last patch which should be applied in the row..
[10:49] <shawarma> \sh: And why wouldn't that always be the last one?
[10:50] <\sh> shawarma: honestly..I was thinking all the time, that dpatch-edit-patch is using 00list..to get the patch queue
[10:51] <\sh> shawarma: but I don't know..I dislike dpatch
[10:51] <shawarma> ....then why did you tell me to use it?
[10:51] <\sh> shawarma: because I used it all the time ;)
[10:52] <\sh> shawarma: or better to say...if u want to integrate a patch in bettwen the start and the end..u can use this ;)
[10:52] <\sh> shawarma: u r whitelisted for  katie and -changes?
[10:54] <shawarma> \sh: I have no idea what that means.
[10:54] <shawarma> \sh: Who or what is katie?
[10:55] <dholbach> the buildd
[10:55] <dholbach> it will send you a receipt mail
[10:57] <shawarma> I see.. and being whitelisted for katie and -changes mean to be able to throw stuff at buildd and have it build stuff for me?
[10:58] <\sh> shawarma: uploaded :)
[10:58] <\sh> shawarma: no..but u see the katie mails that the source is accepted
[10:58] <\sh> and on -changes we can read your name
[10:59] <\sh> well...it's accepted and u r not whitelisted..please send a mail with your email address from changelog files please check wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads how to be whitelisted
[11:01] <hub__> dholbach: ok
[11:01] <hub__> off to bed now
[11:02] <dholbach> hub__: good night
[11:06] <\sh> siretart: IOError: [Errno 13]  Permission denied: '/srv/revu1/removals.txt'
[11:06] <\sh> siretart: when I want to nuke ;)
[11:09] <shawarma> \sh: I can't add myself to the whitelist.. I get an error from Ubuntus mail server. Who should i bug about this?
[11:10] <\sh> shawarma: no..u have to send it to upload or uploads@ubuntulinux.org...
[11:10] <shawarma> \sh: That's what I did.
[11:11] <\sh> shawarma: ping elmo and ask him what happened..he is the whitelist manager :)
[11:11] <shawarma> \sh: The address is apparantly rewritten to archive@durville.ubuntu.com which in turn is unknown.
[11:11] <shawarma> \sh: Great. Thanks.
[11:14] <siretart> \sh: damn. permission problems..
[11:14] <siretart> -rw-r--rw-  1 siretart www-data     426 Sep 17 06:54 removals.txt
[11:14] <siretart> wtf? somethings weird going on..
[11:14] <\sh> siretart: hmmm
[11:14] <\sh> who changed this
[11:14] <siretart> fixed
[11:15] <\sh> siretart: thx :)
[11:52] <shawarma> \sh: Do you happen to know where elmo is? Geographically, that is.. If he's in the US there's not much point in trying to reach him now.
[11:53] <Nafallo> UK, London
[11:54] <shawarma> Nafallo: Hehe.. His away message says "sleep".. It's 10:54 in London right now. :-D
[11:55] <Nafallo> I believe he's sleep-pattern have crashed then ;-)
[11:55] <ogra> shawarma, he is usually up until 3 or 4 am
[11:55] <shawarma> ogra: Oh, that explains.
[11:56] <Nafallo> s/he\'s/his/
[12:46] <Tonio-> hi everyone
[01:05] <ivoks> hi
[01:05] <\sh> back from lunch pause
[01:10] <ajmitch> evening all
[01:10] <ivoks> hi
[01:10] <ivoks> i just did fresh install
[01:11] <ivoks> and... usb doesn't work, mouse doesn't work... hm...
[01:11] <Treenaks> ivoks: udev is b0rken
[01:11] <ivoks> ah, ok
[01:11] <Treenaks> let's do some fingerpointing ;)
[01:12] <\sh> hmm...wasn't there a new upload?
[01:12] <Nafallo> \sh: ubuntu13 is broken :-)
[01:12] <ajmitch> \sh: I've booked my UBZ flights ;)
[01:12] <Treenaks> ajmitch: cool :)
[01:12] <Nafallo> ... and that was the "new" upload :-)
[01:13] <Nafallo> or newest
[01:13] <\sh> oh...
[01:13] <\sh> hm...will see it this evening when I reboot my laptop ;)
[01:15] <Treenaks> ivoks: :(
[01:15] <ajmitch> ivoks: that's a shame
[01:15] <Treenaks> I found a really cheap hostel :)
[01:15] <Treenaks> see foodfight.org/log :)
[01:16] <ajmitch> even cheaper than the one we know about already?
[01:16] <ajmitch> ah, same one
[01:16] <Treenaks> ajmitch: yeah, same one probably
[01:16] <ivoks> yeah, well... money is problem
[01:16] <Treenaks> ivoks: where are you from then?
[01:16] <ivoks> Treenaks: croatia
[01:17] <Treenaks> ivoks: hmm
[01:17] <ivoks> but i have to pay universty next year
[01:17] <ivoks> 1000euros
[01:17] <Treenaks> ivoks: hmm... too bad :(
[01:17] <ivoks> yeah, i know :(
[01:18] <ivoks> i hope i will join you guys on 6.04
[01:19] <Treenaks> ivoks: I missed UDU because I couldn't get the time off :(
[01:19] <Treenaks> ivoks: so not everything's lost
[01:19] <ivoks> i don't think it's lost, just won't be joining you in conversations
[01:22] <\sh> ajmitch: rock man :)
[01:22] <ajmitch> ivoks: why not? we have irc :)
[01:23] <ivoks> ajmitch: sure on irc :)
[01:24] <Treenaks> ajmitch: you think there will be bandwidth?!
[01:24] <ajmitch> Treenaks: more than at UDU, I bet
[01:25] <Treenaks> ajmitch: UDU had 0 ? :)
[01:25] <ajmitch> something approximating 0 ;)
[01:35] <ajmitch> hmm
[01:35] <ajmitch> my DSL bandwidth monitoring at my ISP has only been functional 4 days this month ;)
[01:47] <Nafallo> much easier to not have quota ;-)
[01:54] <ajmitch> :P
[01:54] <ajmitch> not all of us live in such countries
[03:14] <Yagisan> anyone here testing the ltsp feature in breezy ?
[03:17] <zyga> Yagisan: ltsp?
[03:18] <Yagisan> linux terminal server project
[03:18] <ogra> Yagisan, #edubuntu ;)
[03:19] <ogra> its built around that
[03:19] <Yagisan> I just won a few pentium 2's off ebay
[03:19] <Yagisan> thought I'd give them to wife and kids
[03:19] <Yagisan> and power them off my amd64 beast
[03:21] <Yagisan> ogra: thanks
[03:22] <ogra> Yagisan, thanks as well, i search eagerly for testers :)
[03:32] <\sh> lamont: u r in germany? Greetings to Martin 'Joey' Schulze ... from a former #linuxger@ircnet member ,-)
[03:34] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:35] <lamont> \sh: he says hi back to you.
[03:36] <\sh> lamont: I hope u enjoy your stay in germany :) actually u will have cold nights and warm days this week ;)
[03:37] <bddebian> Heya \sh
[03:37] <\sh> hey bddebian :)
[03:38] <dholbach> slomo_: what do you think about bugzilla #9093?
[03:39] <slomo_> hmm... probably can be included... but do we have someone to test it with xmms? i don't use it anymore ;)
[03:40] <slomo_> from a quick view over the patch it looks good
[03:40] <dholbach> you should have a media mailing list, i could assign the bug to ;)
[03:41] <slomo_> there is one ;)
[03:41] <slomo_> motumedia@tauware.de
[03:41] <dholbach> oh wow
[03:42] <bddebian> So who is the autoconf/automake foo Master?
[03:42] <slomo_> bddebian: nobody is... but why don't you just ask your question? :P
[03:42] <dholbach> slomo: grmbl, bugzilla doesnt like motumedia@tauware,de yet :)
[03:43] <slomo> shawarma: hi... i think you should promote the libmms main inclusion a bit more as it's now finally in universe and people can begin to look at it ;)
[03:43] <slomo> dholbach: just assign it to me so i don't forget it ;)
[03:43] <mgalvin> hi all, long time no see
[03:43] <dholbach> slomo: right
[03:43] <slomo> dholbach: oh wait... xmms is main... forget it ;)
[03:43] <bddebian> Well in prokyon3 right before it does AC_CHECK_LIB(z, main, [] , ...)  it does $LIBS="-L$x_libraries" and I cannot figure out where x_libraries comes from.
[03:43] <shawarma> slomo: Like bitch about it on ubuntu-devel mailing list?
[03:44] <dholbach> slomo: if you discuss it, i'll sponsor the upload
[03:44] <bddebian> In fact, right now it's blank.  If I change that line to $LIBS="$LIBS" it compiles fine.
[03:44] <slomo> shawarma: no... like replying to your own mail and saying that it is in universe now ;)
[03:44] <shawarma> slomo: Good point.
[03:45] <\sh> Oh well...
[03:45] <slomo> bddebian: look at configure --help... there should be something like --with-x-libs or something... give it /usr/lib as parameter... and /usr/include for the x includes
[03:46] <slomo> dholbach: i have not enough time for such stuff currently ;) for dapper maybe...
[03:46] <slomo> \sh: why? what happened?
[03:46] <\sh> slomo: I found on www.linuxger.de on the ex-members of this irc channel my old NickName
[03:46] <dholbach> slomo: i can imagine
[03:47] <slomo> \sh: and what's so bad about it?
[03:47] <\sh> lamont: Tell 'Joey' to change the nickname in front of "Stephan Hermann" into '\sh' please ... the ones standing there is too old ,-)
[03:48] <slomo> dholbach: do you know someone who still uses xmms?
[03:48] <\sh> slomo: "FlirtMan - Stephan Hermann"
[03:48] <dholbach> slomo: mvo does ;)
[03:48] <\sh> it all started 1993
[03:48] <bddebian> \sh: :)
[03:48] <\sh> my past kills me sometimes...oh well
[03:48] <slomo> dholbach: ok, i'll try to keep it in mind and ask him when i'm bored ;)
[03:49] <mvo> slomo: what's wrong with xmms?
[03:49] <slomo> \sh: luckily nothing like this exists about me ;) at least i found nothing
[03:49] <slomo> mvo: nothing... but bugzilla #9093 may be worth a thought :)
[03:50] <\sh> slomo: the good thing from those times were: we didn't need any dating portal sites to meet girls ;-)
[03:50] <bddebian> heh
[03:50] <\sh> slomo:  we just met and had s*x
[03:50] <\sh> i mean not in this linuxger channel...
[03:53] <slomo> \sh: hmm, why were the old times always better than today? :P
[03:54] <\sh> slomo: oh...those statements are "old farts" behaviour..when I was young my father was telling me this and I said: "Go away, u fool" ..but today...I'm the "old fart" and ah completly OT ;)
[03:56] <bddebian> Hey, don't talk about us old farts ;-)
[03:58] <mvo> slomo: #9093 is already fixed. debian-xmms got the patch some months ago and we synced it
[03:58] <mvo> slomo: but thanks for telling :)
[03:59] <slomo> mvo: ok, good to know :)
[04:01] <dholbach> slomo: s
[04:01] <dholbach> slomo: do we have mms gstreamer plugins?
[04:01] <slomo> dholbach: seb128 tries to get libmms in main for breezy... then we have them ;)
[04:01] <dholbach> i see
[04:01] <dholbach> #10050
[04:01] <dholbach> is all about it
[04:02] <slomo> dholbach: we agreed that g-p-m should only contain multiverse stuff that will never be in debian as otherwise conflicts may happen and he has to add conflicts/replaces to the gst-plugins package instead of just taking the debian version
[04:03] <dholbach> i see
[04:03] <dholbach> what about gstreamer0.8-plugins-universe? :-p
[04:03] <dholbach> where stuff can be tested
[04:03] <slomo> and we already have such problem :P i want to have wavpack in debian when it matured a bit
[04:03] <slomo> dholbach: same problem ;)
[04:04] <slomo> otherwise i would do it instantly
[04:04] <dholbach> want to be on the CC list for 10050?
[04:05] <slomo> already added me there ;)
[04:07] <slomo> python comments are started with #?
[04:07] <dholbach> yes (if they're not the hashbang line :))
[04:09] <slomo> haha... i got launchpad karma for nothing ;)
[04:09] <slomo> (except translations upstream...)
[04:09] <slomo> how does LP verify that this was me and not someone else with my name?
[04:12] <bddebian> slomo: Well I got a karma of 378 for nothing ;-P
[04:12] <slomo> what did you do?
[04:12] <bddebian> Just closed a bunch of random bugs ;-)
[04:16] <slomo> doko: where is the filebrowser in spe? and why does it nothing when i select default as webbrowser and works when i select for example firefox? ;)
[04:17] <slomo> hmm... insane version number... openoffice.org2-amd64 (1.9.129-0.1ubuntu1-0ubuntu1)
[04:22] <slomo> dholbach: you know something about python? can you tell me how i can do "printf-debugging" in python? ;) i added a print to the relevant part of the sources and it doesn't print anything :(
[04:22] <doko> slomo: don't know ...
[04:23] <slomo> doko: ok, i'll try to fix the browser stuff... but you don't know where the filebrowser is? hmm... maybe there isn't one? ;)
[04:23] <\sh> slomo: what du u want to do?
[04:24] <slomo> \sh: i want to have the contents of one variable... print variableName doesn't work
[04:24] <shackan> it should..
[04:24] <\sh> print "%s" % variable?
[04:25] <\sh> slomo: variable must be a python string for "print variable" to work
[04:25] <slomo> it is a string
[04:25] <\sh> slomo: u sure?
[04:25] <\sh> a python string or something else?
[04:26] <shackan> oh well, you can print also numbers, there's some implicit conversion
[04:26] <slomo> i hope ;) it should contain a filename
[04:26] <shackan> str(variableName) converts to a string, if it's not one already
[04:26] <\sh> shackan: truwe
[04:26] <\sh> true even
[04:27] <slomo> but it should print some kind of error when it's no string...
[04:27] <jamessan|work> \sh: actually, it can be anything that has a __str__ method. Python will do the conversion for you
[04:27] <shackan> slomo, but you're that that line gets executed ?
[04:27] <shackan> *you're sure, sorry
[04:28] <slomo> shackan: yes... but i have to leave now for some minutes ;) brb
[04:28] <\sh> jamessan|work: QString bla; is as well a string, and I can do what ever i want..but print doesn't work..without a str() conversion
[04:28] <jamessan|work> QString?
[04:28] <\sh> PyQT ;)
[04:28] <shackan> argh
[04:29] <shackan> so you have to explicitly cast to a python string first ?
[04:29] <\sh> yepp
[04:29] <jamessan|work> \sh: well, my simple class of: class Foo(object): def __str__(self): return 'foo'   works fine when I print an instance
[04:30] <\sh> jamessan|work: the problem is, if the value is not complying to the python string standard (utf8 bla) it won't print...try it with pyqt...it's quite annoying...
[04:31] <shackan> so what strange format are qt strings ?
[04:31] <\sh> shackan: utf8 converted c-strings
[04:31] <\sh> actually it's more a bytestream ,-)
[04:32] <shackan> if they're utf8 internally, they should work out of the box...
[04:33] <\sh> shackan: not at all..as i said it's something else..but not a normal string..
[04:33] <shackan> ok I don't understand english, sorry, anyway, I like pygtk and wanted to try some pyqt but what you say makes me change idea :)
[05:12] <mbreit> hi everyone
[05:12] <bddebian> Heya mbreit
[05:12] <mbreit> lamont: did you look at the scons/ardour-problem on the buildds?
[05:15] <lamont> mbreit: I think I did, but don't remember any more... will look again
[05:16] <mbreit> lamont: thanks.... i have now a second package that does not build on the buildd but works fine in my pbuilder... and guess what build-system it uses ;)
[05:22] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[05:26] <lamont> mbreit: most strange... works for me... scheduled rebuilds for a few minutes hence
[05:28] <mbreit> where is the difference in building it with pbuilder or sbuild?
[05:35] <bddebian> OK, is it --with-x-libraries=/foo/bar or --x-libraries=/foo/bar ?
[05:51] <spayne> hey all
[05:51] <bddebian> Heya spa
[05:51] <lamont> anyone working on fixing prokyon3?
[05:52] <bddebian> Err spayne
[05:52] <bddebian> lamont: Right now
[05:52] <bddebian> lamont: I think I just figured it out
[05:52] <spayne> right
[05:52] <spayne> i wouldl like to become a MOTU
[05:52] <spayne> or a universe package maintainer
[05:52] <spayne> if they are the same thing
[05:52] <bddebian> spayne: Go for it :-)
[05:53] <bddebian> lamont: Why, you need something?
[05:54] <lamont> well, it's FTBFS
[05:54] <bddebian> lamont: I know.  It built fine here for me before I uploaded.  I will re-upload here in a minute.
[05:55] <\sh> re guys
[05:55] <lamont> bddebian: in a clean chroot?
[05:55] <bddebian> wb \sh
[05:55] <\sh> ogra: ping
[05:55] <ogra> pong
[05:55] <bddebian> lamont: Probably not :-(
[05:55] <spayne> where is the best place to start?
[05:55] <spayne> i have never package before
[05:55] <spayne> but keen to learn
[05:55] <bddebian> I had some whacky pbuilder stuff going on
[05:55] <\sh> ogra: it looks like that i can't attend at tomorrows motu meeting...we get visitors from iesy..and I have to play the clown aeh host
[05:56] <lamont> bddebian: in a clean chroot, we wind up with LIBS='-L', which then causes gcc to bitch beacuse -L expects an argument.
[05:56] <lamont> appears that x_libraries=""
[05:56] <bddebian> Yep
[05:56] <ogra> \sh, no porb...
[05:56] <bddebian> I'm gonna pass --x-libraries=/usr/lib and --x-includes=/usr/include/X11 to configure
[05:56] <lamont> so anyway, it's not a -build upload that is needed, of course.
[05:56] <ogra> prob too
[05:57] <\sh> ogra: i will fill u in with the important infos in a query..so u can jump for me in
[05:57] <siretart> spayne: have you had a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources?
[05:57] <siretart> spayne: it has some interesting links under the 'new to packaging' section, espc. the new maintainer guide
[05:57] <\sh> ogra: better i put in on the agenda :)
[05:57] <lamont> bddebian: if a package has 'failed' logs on all the architectures, please don't upload a -build to trigger a rebuild attempt
[05:58] <ogra> \sh, yup..
[05:58] <lamont> bddebian: -build is for when the version in question already exists in the archive (binary), and you need to rebuild it.
[05:58] <spayne> where is the best place to start for a new guy
[05:58] <spayne> a.) new package
[05:59] <spayne> b.) rebuild a debian packe
[05:59] <mbreit> lamont: ardour has failed again, same error
[05:59] <lamont> mbreit: woot
[06:00] <lamont> mbreit: have I mentioned that I hate it.
[06:00] <bddebian> lamont: I know, I was only working from the libqt3c102-mt-dev depends
[06:00] <mbreit> lamont: for some reason it does not find alsa/asoundlib.h which is in libasound2-dev
[06:00] <mbreit> i guess it's a scons problem
[06:01] <bddebian> spayne: Probably pull an existing package and poke around and see if you can "fix" it. :-)
[06:01] <spayne> any suggestions?
[06:01] <lamont> mbreit: yeah, kicking things around a little bit more to get more info
[06:04] <mbreit> lamont: could you look at cheesetracker as well? seems to be the same problem... builds fine here but not on buildd and uses scons ;)
[06:06] <bddebian> spayne: Look at the UniverseUnmetDeps wiki page or MOTUTodo
[06:08] <lamont> file SConstruct,line 341:
[06:08] <lamont>         Configure( confdir = .sconf_temp )
[06:08] <lamont> Checking for C header file alsa/asoundlib.h... .sconf_temp/conftest_0.c <-
[06:08] <lamont>   |
[06:08] <lamont>   |#include "alsa/asoundlib.h"
[06:08] <lamont>   |
[06:08] <lamont>   |
[06:08] <lamont> gcc -I. -c -o .sconf_temp/conftest_0.o .sconf_temp/conftest_0.c
[06:08] <lamont> scons: *** [.sconf_temp/conftest_0.o]  Error 1
[06:08] <lamont> no
[06:08] <lamont> mbreit: ^^^
[06:09] <mbreit> lamont: is there no gcc-output (error-message) or does gcc succeed and scons just thinks it failed?
[06:10] <lamont> that was the entire chunk of config.log
[06:10] <mbreit> lamont: that looks like the cheesetracker error... there is also a gcc call with no error message but scons saying it failed
[06:10] <spayne> there are two packages i know of
[06:10] <spayne> which are not in universe
[06:11] <spayne> vnc2swf and wv-dev
[06:11] <spayne> i could build these but i'm not sure i'f it will be too hard
[06:12] <ogra> spayne, i thought \sh had packaged vnc2swf as his first package...
[06:12] <zyga> hello, is there anyone that could help me dbus wise? :)
[06:12] <\sh> spayne: vnc2swf its on my todo
[06:12] <\sh> ogra: yes...quite horrible..i will push it for dapper...cause there are a lot of updates
[06:12] <spayne> oh well :-(
[06:12] <spayne> all these ToDo packages seem difficult
[06:13] <ogra> \sh, rather rewrite it as vnc2ogg :)
[06:13] <\sh> spayne: vnc2swf is a bitch..it needs an old lib
[06:13] <spayne> the new python ones doesn't
[06:13] <\sh> ogra: it works as well on amd64 with the gplflash lib
[06:13] <spayne> \sh: pyvnc2swf kicks ass
[06:13] <spayne> it doesn't need ming 0.2
[06:13] <\sh> spayne: oh...u see..then u can package it :) but i hope it works on amd64 as well :)
[06:14] <spayne> \sh: i am new remember - never packageed before ;-)
[06:14] <spayne> any thoughts upon this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch
[06:14] <\sh> ogra / siretart / bddebian: please have a look on the motu agenda for tomorrow and check if i forgot something, thx
[06:14] <\sh> spayne: it was me
[06:14] <spayne> \sh: it must be good then :-)
[06:15] <\sh> spayne: my first 18 hours of packaging...but I have to finish it, with something easier...TIME I NEED TIME
[06:15] <spayne> \sh: the only deps seem to be Python 2.3 and PyGame 1.7
[06:15] <spayne> \sh: the only deps seem to be Python 2.3 and PyGame 1.6 even
[06:15] <\sh> spayne: our rule: python2.4
[06:15] <spayne> yeh
[06:15] <\sh> and wth is pygame
[06:15] <spayne> well, here i go
[06:16] <spayne> obviously, i'm on Breezy
[06:16] <\sh> spayne: yes..good..so python2.4 has to be standard...but you can provide python2.3 packages as well..no 2.2/2.1 packages please
[06:16] <spayne> i will see what i can do
[06:16] <spayne> is it ok to ask here if i get stuck?
[06:17] <\sh> spayne: for this reason we're here :)
[06:17] <spayne> any other Wiki pages i should take a glance at?
[06:18] <\sh> DeveloperResources, PbuilderHowto, check the CDBS Manual (there is a link on DeveloperResources), get familiar with gpg, devscripts debhelper dpatch etc. pp.
[06:18] <spayne> obviously, i need DebootstrapChroot?
[06:19] <bddebian> \sh: I'll check it out
[06:19] <\sh> spayne: u need pbuilder
[06:19] <\sh> bddebian: thx
[06:19] <spayne> not DebootstrapChroot?
[06:20] <spayne> \sh: not DebootstrapChroot?
[06:20] <\sh> spayne: only when u have serious troubles with the source..then u can check it out with fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage in a chroot
[06:21] <spayne> \sh: so i set up pbuilder and then have a bash at getting it working?
[06:21] <\sh> spayne: pbuilder is always clean, a debchroot isn't
[06:21] <\sh> spayne: check PbuilderHowto :)
[06:21] <\sh> spayne: and man dh_make
[06:21] <\sh> or was it dh-make?
[06:25] <spayne> so, if i make a pyvnc2swf, what happens next?
[06:26] <spayne> also, when i start to make it in chroot, do i run dchroot
[06:26] <spayne> or something else for pbuilder?
[06:28] <\sh> it's written in the pbuilder document...u create the source package with debuild -S (or -S -sa for new upstream version package) in the debianized source tree
[06:28] <\sh> then cd ..
[06:28] <\sh> sudo pbuilder build package.dsc
[06:28] <\sh> sudo pbuilder build <package>.dsc is better
[06:29] <slomo> or instead of debuild use pdebuild
[06:29] <\sh> or pdebuild ,)
[06:29] <spayne> \sh: you tutorial says to run dchroot -c mychroot -d
[06:29] <bddebian> Do none of you ever test around in a pbuilder login first?
[06:30] <spayne> \sh: is that pbuilder or not?
[06:30] <\sh> spayne: forget my tutorial..that was a tutorial of a n00b ,)
[06:30] <spayne> this is confusing
[06:30] <\sh> spayne: thats debchroot
[06:30] <slomo> bddebian: i sometimes work in a pbuilder login ;) when something needs harder fixing
[06:30] <spayne> following two HOWTOs
[06:30] <spayne> HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch
[06:30] <spayne> and PbuilderHowto
[06:30] <\sh> spayne: forget this howto
[06:30] <\sh> the HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch..i renew it, when I'm sitting in the plane to UBZ
[06:31] <spayne> \sh: so, what should i follow for making a new package then?
[06:31] <slomo> spayne: debian new maintainer guide or how it was called... and look at existing similar packages (made by someone sane ;) )
[06:31] <\sh> spayne: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[06:31] <\sh> PbuilderHowto
[06:31] <\sh> DeveloperResources in common
[06:33] <spayne> how confusing is http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/?
[06:34] <slomo> not confusing imho ;)
[06:35] <spayne> http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/PackagingTutorial looks better
[06:36] <bddebian> How do I change configure options for a cdbs package?
[06:36] <\sh> spayne: but this is only a short excerpt of debian maintainer guide..so read the two :)
[06:37] <\sh> bddebian: DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS := --with-ipv6 --with-foo
[06:37] <slomo> bddebian: rtfm ;) https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml#id2501301
[06:37] <slomo> bddebian: DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS
[06:37] <\sh> bddebian: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml
[06:38] <slomo> lol
[06:38] <bddebian> slomo, \sh: that document sucks
[06:38] <slomo> bddebian: hmm... why?
[06:38] <\sh> bddebian: it gives u everything ,)
[06:38] <bddebian> I find it very difficult to read/comprehend
[06:38] <\sh> bddebian: it's cdbs
[06:39] <bddebian> No, it's broken English ;-P
[06:45] <slomo> bddebian: maybe only for native english speakers ;)
[06:50] <Shufla> hello
[06:51] <slomo> hi Shufla
[06:51] <Shufla> hi slomo
[06:51] <Shufla> bye :>
[06:52] <slomo> hm
[06:53] <bddebian> slomo: :-)
[06:53] <bddebian> Hello shuf
[06:53] <bddebian> Err
[06:55] <slomo> :)
[06:55] <bddebian> For example: That document says "Just add DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS" blah blah.  But to where?  The rules file?
[06:55] <slomo> bddebian: yes
[06:56] <bddebian> slomo: Thx man, you ROCK :-)
[06:56] <slomo> everything cdbs related belongs in the rules... except control file managment but this is evil anyway ;)
[06:56] <bddebian> Heh
[07:00] <bddebian> lamont: OK, prolyon3 uploaded ;-)
[07:01] <slomo> :)
[07:02] <dholbach> re
[07:05] <dholbach> spayne: it IS in the archive :-)
[07:06] <dholbach> ROCK
[07:06] <dholbach> super
[07:06] <dholbach> be sure to let me have a look
[07:06] <spayne> oh bugger
[07:06] <spayne> i just realised i downloaded the sources
[07:06] <bddebian> wb dholbach
[07:06] <spayne> i just realised i downloaded the binary
[07:06] <spayne> not the source
[07:06] <dholbach> looking at REVU is a good thing to do - since 1) you see other packaging (attempts) 2) you see the comments
[07:06] <slomo> wb dholbach :)
[07:06] <dholbach> hey barry, hey sebastian
[07:08] <ivoks> hi
[07:09] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[07:09] <spayne> the debian guide
[07:09] <spayne> is VERY VERY confusing
[07:10] <ivoks> http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/winVSubu.pdf if anyone interested
[07:11] <bddebian> spayne: Aye :-(
[07:11] <slomo> spayne: why?
[07:11] <spayne> i'm stuck
[07:12] <spayne> i've ran dh_make
[07:12] <spayne> but what am i meant to do next
[07:13] <ivoks> hard part :)
[07:13] <ivoks> enter debian and do some editing
[07:13] <dholbach> spayne: dh_make and looking at other packaging helps A  LOT
[07:13] <spayne> what about another python project which is small i can look at?
[07:13] <ivoks> spayne: wifi-radar :)
[07:14] <spayne> is that simple?
[07:14] <ivoks> yes
[07:14] <ivoks> 30kb
[07:15] <slomo> ivoks: cdbs or dh_python stuff?
[07:15] <ivoks> slomo: none :)
[07:15] <ivoks> slomo: cp
[07:16] <spayne> i have no idea what i am meant to be doing?
[07:16] <slomo> ivoks: but dh_python is important for getting the dependencies automatically... and instead of cp you should use dh_install imho
[07:16] <ivoks> slomo: that will I do in next revision
[07:17] <\sh> ivoks: NICE
[07:17] <slomo> ivoks: hmm... is this already in universe? and who advocated it? ;)
[07:18] <spayne> this is a python app
[07:18] <ivoks> \sh: what?
[07:18] <spayne> is that making it more difficult
[07:18] <slomo> spayne: no... sometimes this makes it even easier ;)
[07:18] <dholbach> spayne: look at some packages on   http://revu.tauware.de
[07:18] <dholbach> spayne: look at the .diff.gz and you see what they added to the original upstream tarball
[07:18] <dholbach> spayne: and especially look at the comments :)
[07:18] <ivoks> slomo: :p
[07:20] <spayne> help!
[07:20] <slomo> ivoks: it wasn't me... good ;)
[07:20] <\sh> ivoks: the pdf
[07:20] <\sh> ivoks: is it available for publishing it on the planet???
[07:21] <ivoks> \sh: sure
[07:21] <ivoks> \sh: but it needs lecturing :)
[07:21] <ivoks> too many mistakes
[07:21] <slomo> ivoks: want a third review for wifi radar? ;)
[07:22] <ivoks> slomo: no, i will repackage wifi-radar soon
[07:22] <ivoks> slomo: beofre breezy goes out
[07:22] <ivoks> slomo: so, no worry :)
[07:22] <slomo> ivoks: ok :) was this your first package?
[07:22] <ivoks> slomo: yes
[07:23] <slomo> ivoks: ah... then it was even better than my first one :) but i've rewritten it too ;)
[07:23] <ivoks> :)
[07:24] <bddebian> Well I've tried: DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS and COMMON_CONFIGURE_FLAGS := --x-libraries=/usr/lib and it still isn't picking them up.. :-(
[07:24] <slomo> spayne: look in the debian directory that was created by dh_make... look at each file and compare it with some existing packages until you understand what everything does (by asking or using google ;) )
[07:25] <slomo> bddebian: it's the DEB_* variable... show me the package :)
[07:25] <ivoks> slomo: or man ;)
[07:27] <\sh> ivoks: forget it :) published
[07:27] <\sh> ivoks: http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/102-Laptop-Installation-Windows-vs.-Ubuntu.html
[07:27] <ivoks> hehe ok
[07:28] <ivoks> man, you are fast :)
[07:28] <dholbach> bddebian: you have to be sure you don't add those FLAGS before include-ing the cdbs/*.mk files :)
[07:28] <spayne> what is emacsen-install.ex about?
[07:29] <slomo> spayne: it's probably useless for you... all the .ex files are examples... and this one is for emacs stuff
[07:29] <spayne> emacs?
[07:29] <dholbach> it's crack, apart from packages wanting to install some emacs related stuff
[07:30] <spayne> and the uwatch thing?
[07:30] <slomo> hmm, isn't it called watch nowadays?
[07:30] <spayne> yeh
[07:31] <spayne> do i need the watch thing?
[07:31] <slomo> it contains the url (with some regexp) for the upstream tarball... so you can just run uscan for updating to a new upstream version
[07:31] <slomo> it fetches the tarball, unpacks it and adds your packaging to it
[07:31] <spayne> do i need it though?
[07:31] <slomo> no... but it is useful imho
[07:32] <bddebian> w0000t, thanks dholbach, slomo!!
[07:32] <dholbach> de rien :)
[07:32] <dholbach> i ran into that too
[07:32] <spayne> what about the menu file
[07:32] <dholbach> and blamed upstream for having wrong auto-foo :)
[07:32] <bddebian> hehe
[07:32] <\sh> ivoks: me neither...but I writing/typing what i'm thinking at the same time..look at the mistakes
[07:33] <spayne> i've made a *.menu desktop entry
[07:33] <slomo> spayne: exactly how it sounds... debian menu system... similar to the desktop files and afaik it isn't used anymore
[07:33] <spayne> how do i tell the package to install it into the right place?
[07:33] <ivoks> \sh: i have ivoks.blogspot.com, but didn't post anything new... :/
[07:34] <slomo> spayne: put something to install it in debian/rules... dh_install debian/bla.menu path/where/it/should/be
[07:34] <\sh> ivoks: tell jdub u want to have it added to the planet...give him the url, the feed url and a hackgotchi...well...ogra is making nice ones ,)
[07:36] <bddebian> KICK ASS, torcs builds!!!
[07:36] <\sh> spayne: u have to be a member
[07:36] <spayne> what do you have to do to be a member?
[07:37] <slomo> oh i could also be on p.u.c... hm... but i don't want yet ;)
[07:37] <\sh> spayne: do some work here, or for ubuntu whatever, document the work on your personal wiki page on wiki.ubuntu.com...if u don't have one...create one
[07:37] <bddebian> spayne: Or just annoy people like I do ;-P
[07:38] <dholbach> spayne: yeah, bddebian is a great example for that :-p
[07:38] <spayne> bddebian: where is your wiki page?
[07:38] <bddebian> :'-(
[07:38] <dholbach> just kidding :)
[07:38] <bddebian> spayne: My wiki page sucks but it's BarrydeFreese
[07:38] <ivoks> firefox looks ugly on fresh ubuntu :/
[07:38] <\sh> i have to update my wiki page..
[07:38] <dholbach> bddebian: MAN - it doesnt
[07:40] <dholbach> i guess i found the first apt-get.org package that is ready to go :)
[07:40] <slomo> dholbach: which one? ;)
[07:41] <dholbach> jpeg2ps :)
[07:41] <slomo> dholbach: are you trying to get the apt-get.org packagers to work with us... or just take the package?
[07:42] <dholbach> slomo: both - i will make notes and write them mails shortly before release
[07:42] <dholbach> slomo invite them to become part of the crew
[07:43] <dholbach> bddebian: don't worry
[07:43] <slomo> bddebian: unmet deps is important too
[07:43] <bddebian> Important to who?  No one cares.. ;-P
[07:43] <bddebian> *sniff, sniff* poor me.. ;-)
[07:44] <slomo> bddebian: i care :P and i would do the unmet deps stuff... but i'm to busy atm :(
[07:45] <dholbach> somebody should write all the old MOTU farts a mail to invite them to join your efforts, bddebian :)
[07:46] <chillywilly> ?!?
[07:46] <chillywilly> hi
[07:46] <dholbach> hey chillywilly
[07:46] <slomo> bbl
[07:46] <dholbach> see you slomo
[07:51] <bddebian> chillywilly: !!
[07:51] <bddebian> dholbach: What are you trying to say?? :-)
[07:53] <dholbach> bddebian: re-recruit the old MOTUs :)
[07:53] <bddebian> Are there old MOTUs like me? :-)
[07:53] <dholbach> wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU has some of them :)
[07:55] <bddebian> Maybe I start a SOMOTU Team? :-)
[07:55] <bddebian> SO == Soggy Old ;-P
[07:55] <ogra> heh
[07:57] <dholbach> ogra: what do you think about that? get the old crew together again? :)
[07:58] <ogra> why not :)
[08:04] <spayne> how does my page look: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SebPayne
[08:06] <dholbach> looks nice
[08:12] <bddebian> spayne: Nah, if I can do some of this stuff, ANYONE can :-)
[08:15] <dholbach> spayne: bddebian likes his little jokes, he  R O C K S !
[08:15] <dholbach> spayne: and we all are proud to have him in the team
[08:16] <bddebian> pshaw
[08:16] <bddebian> :-)
[08:31] <zyga> could someone help me with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[08:31] <zyga> I need to send my keyid but it does not say on which server that key should be stored...
[08:32] <dholbach> send a signed mail to siretart, afaik
[08:32] <dholbach> any "normal" keyserver having your key will be fine
[08:32] <dholbach> they autosync from each other every now and then
[08:32] <siretart> zyga: did you mail me already an request do get your key added?
[08:32] <zyga> siretart: no I'm just planning to
[08:33] <siretart> zyga: ok
[08:33] <siretart> zyga: whats your keyid?
[08:33] <zyga> siretart: I'm not a gpg guru so the thing is a little not-obvious to me :)
[08:33] <zyga> B3020F9C
[08:34] <zyga> I'm using seahorse to export the key but I guess seahorse is broken... it hangs the application
[08:34] <siretart> zyga: try http://tauware.de/content/view/26/52/ ;)
[08:35] <siretart> zyga: I cannot find your public key on the keyserver. did you upload them? is your key signed?
[08:35] <siretart> zyga: use gpg --export -a B3020F9C
[08:35] <dholbach> siretart: why is your blog not on planet.u.c yet?
[08:35] <dholbach> :)
[08:36] <zyga> siretart: I think I used to when I created it; I don't think it's signed by anyone :)
[08:36] <zyga> http://pgp.surfnet.nl:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0xB3020F9C
[08:38] <siretart> zyga: ok, your key is added. please try to get your key signed
[08:38] <zyga> siretart: okay so I put the result of gpg --export  in the mail and signed it, is that enough?
[08:39] <zyga> siretart: signed by who? (do I seem lost ;-) ?
[08:39] <siretart> zyga: signed preferably by a Ubuntu or Debian developer
[08:40] <dholbach> zyga: where do you live?
[08:40] <zyga> in Poland, Warsaw
[08:40] <dholbach> there should be a couple of debian maintainers in warsaw
[08:40] <dholbach> *has a look*
[08:40] <siretart> zyga: you will definitly need this, if you want to get your key in the ubuntu keyring, which is a prequisite if you want to upload packages to ubuntu
[08:41] <dholbach> zyga: Warszawa: Lukasz Jachowicz <honey@debian.org>
[08:41] <siretart> fEnIo is a DD and for sure from Poland, not sure where exactly, though
[08:41] <dholbach> zyga: you may want to mail him to get your key signed
[08:41] <dholbach> zyga: meet him, bring your fingerprint and your passport/ID
[08:42] <dholbach> maybe http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=warsaw too
[08:42] <zyga> dholbach: I'll try, thanks
[08:43] <dholbach> zyga: super
[08:47] <zyga> okay, I've mailed him... this may take some time I guess :-)
[08:47] <zyga> all I'm trying to do is to put a very very popular package into universe
[08:47] <zyga> it's already debianized, it works people need it :)
[08:57] <ogra> ARGH !
[08:58] <dholbach> ogra: i very much look forward to meet you again :-p
[08:58] <bddebian> dholbach: :)
[08:59] <dholbach> :-D
[08:59] <ogra> :p
[08:59] <zyga> umm....
[08:59] <ogra> zyga, ?
[08:59] <zyga> no no ... go on ;-)
[09:00] <ogra> GROUPHUG !
[09:00] <dholbach> haha
[09:00] <bddebian> heh
[09:00] <zyga> arghh
[09:00] <ogra> and bddebian indeed
[09:00] <dholbach> ogra:  you never played multi user dungeons, did you?
[09:00] <bddebian> heh
[09:00] <ogra> heh
[09:00] <dholbach> haha
[09:00] <ogra> dholbach, ages ago in another life
[09:00] <dholbach> i know a german mud, where you could "grouphug" too
[09:01] <dholbach> the text that went with it, was very funny
[09:01] <dholbach> but i haven't been there for 3-4 years or something
[09:01] <zyga> dholbach: hug-side question, eventualy my key will be in the universe keyring?
[09:01] <dholbach> zyga: if you become a member and then a motu, then yes
[09:02] <dholbach> (are you a motu already?)
[09:02] <zyga> no...
[09:02] <dholbach> so that will be the first "station"
[09:02] <zyga> I'm a debian/ubuntu newbie with background in programming
[09:02] <dholbach> i daresay you already did some work for ubuntu :)
[09:02] <dholbach> zyga: you'll manage, i'm quite sure
[09:03] <dholbach> zyga: it all comes down to teamplay and involvement
[09:03] <dholbach> :)
[09:03] <zyga> I'm a karma whore ;] 
[09:03] <dholbach> woohoo! :)
[09:03] <zyga> https://launchpad.net/people/zkrynicki
[09:03] <zyga> not much but I'm working on it ;-)
[09:05] <zyga> hmm
[09:05] <zyga> ah... sorry, my mistake
[09:09] <zyga> dholbach: enlighten us
[09:10] <dholbach> it seems that it may contain a list or a shell-portion that generates a list of files that are compressed (in the resulting package)
[09:10] <dholbach> it's in one of the apt-get.org packages
[09:11] <dholbach> not that i'd use it, but even so
[09:12] <ogra> ist that what dh_compress does anyway ?
[09:12] <ogra> isnt even
[09:12] <dholbach> debian/rules calls dh_compress
[09:13] <ogra> yes, for compressing changelog etc...
[09:13] <dholbach> *scroll*
[09:13] <dholbach>        If a debian/package.compress file exists, however, it will be ran as a shell script, and all filenames that the shell script outputs
[09:13] <dholbach>        will be compressed instead of the default files. The shell script will be run from inside the package build directory. Note though
[09:13] <dholbach>        that using -X is a much better idea in general; you should only use a debian/package.compress file if you really have to.
[09:13] <dholbach> learning with apt-get.org! YAY! :)
[09:13] <zyga> hmm :)
[09:16] <\sh> dholbach: in which package is it?
[09:16] <zyga> \sh: yodaspeak you do
[09:17] <dholbach> \sh: ewb-handbook on debian.or.jp
[09:17] <\sh> zyga: yeah.i'm old, green and a little gnome
[09:17] <\sh> ,)
[09:18] <bddebian> heh
[09:18] <dholbach> but watch him go with his light sabre :)
[09:18] <\sh> ah well...I'm a computer simulation too
[09:18] <\sh> 7nick lisa
[09:19] <zyga> hehehe
[09:21] <ogra> http://www.h.shuttle.de/mitch/stuff/kenny.html
[09:21] <ogra> http://www.h.shuttle.de/mitch/stuff/kenny_1.7-3_all.deb
[09:21] <ogra> ;)
[09:21] <ogra> better than yodaspeak
[09:22] <dholbach> ogra: could you put the repository on AptGetOrg ? :)
[09:22] <ogra> heh
[09:23] <\sh> dholbach: is apt-get.org your page?
[09:24] <dholbach> \sh: you're welcome to assist me :)
[09:24] <dholbach> hey fabio
[09:24] <thesaltydog> \sh, I made some test with bluetooth.
[09:24] <\sh> dholbach: hehe...bringing those repositories into ubuntu>
[09:25] <\sh> ?
[09:25] <\sh> no problem...
[09:25] <dholbach> \sh: not entire repository, just carefully review packages that might be included
[09:25] <zyga> ogra: check the source of http://www.namesuppressed.com/kenny/ for nice easter eggs
[09:26] <dholbach> \sh: license, {pre,post}{inst,rm}, security stuff, ...
[09:26] <ogra> http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=kenny&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all
[09:26] <\sh> dholbach: I think i will join u during the weekend :)
[09:26] <ogra> added
[09:28] <\sh> i will leave u early today, cause tomorrow i have to play the clown well the host for some managers of iesy
[09:28] <\sh> I love it
[09:28] <dholbach> super :)
[09:31] <\sh> dholbach: this is really not "super" :( we have to catch the knowledge of our resigned teammate and then those suite guys are coming and sniffing around...
[09:32] <bddebian> ack
[09:42] <\sh> dholbach: the square with the redcross means no valid repos anymore, the single square means not checked, and the rest with the green arrow means: checked and ok?
[09:42] <dholbach> \sh: i did some work on AptGetOrg (the wiki page) already
[09:42] <dholbach> (including a test build)
[09:45] <\sh> dholbach: this is not much to go...but it's only build on amd64...
[09:46] <dholbach> \sh: you can be sure, that those packages that FTBFS did not FTBFS because of amd64-brokenness
[09:46] <dholbach> they are broken themselves :)
[09:47] <\sh> dholbach: that's what i thought....
[09:48] <slomo> dholbach: build on sparc64 when you want to know if it's broken because of 64bit or big endian ;)
[09:48] <dholbach> haha :)
[09:49] <bddebian> :-)
[09:58] <\sh> ok...dudes...i whish u a good night, day, afternoon whereever u are..)
[09:58] <\sh> cu tomorrow
[10:00] <slomo> hmm... is launchpad dead?
[10:02] <thesaltydog> slomo, it seems to be...
[10:03] <thesaltydog> it was working 2 hours ago. then...stopped.
[10:43] <ajmitch> morning all
[10:43] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[10:44] <dholbach> hey andrew
[10:44] <dholbach> how's it going?
[10:45] <ajmitch> alright :)
[10:45] <dholbach> super :)
[10:45] <ajmitch> how is everything in MOTU land?
[10:45] <dholbach> guess what i started working on? :)
[10:45] <ajmitch> Hubuntu! ;)
[10:46] <ajmitch> nah, you wouldn't take that joy off bddebian..
[10:46] <dholbach> nooo :)
[10:46] <ajmitch> AptGetOrg!
[10:46] <dholbach> yeah :)
[10:46] <ajmitch> great
[10:46] <dholbach> i found yet another funny copyright file
[10:47] <dholbach> not as funny as the one packaging old sierra games, which stated "this software was downloaded from: the internet - copyright: yes", but even so...
[10:47] <slomo> lol
[10:47] <slomo> paste it please :)
[10:47] <dholbach> And SPICE3f5 (not installer) is distributed under the following licence.
[10:47] <dholbach> "Free for people friendly to the U.S.A."
[10:47] <ajmitch> ouch
[10:47] <slomo> lol
[10:47] <dholbach> hahaha
[10:47] <ajmitch> nasty ;)
[10:47] <dholbach> i will file that under "license questionable", right? :)
[10:47] <ajmitch> certainly not DFSG-free ;)
[10:48] <bddebian> ajmitch: Ha ha :-)
[10:48] <ajmitch> I really hope they have power & wifi in some of the airports I'll be stuck in :)
[10:49] <ajmitch> hm, looks like vancouver does..
[10:49] <ajmitch> so I'll be able to stay on irc there ;)
[10:49] <dholbach> man.... you're a maniac :)
[10:50] <ajmitch> haha
[10:50] <ajmitch> I'm not that bad
[10:50] <dholbach> no, you're not :)
[10:50] <ajmitch> what I meant to say was that I could still upload packages from the airport :)
[10:51] <slomo> like a new f-spot release? ;)
[10:51] <ajmitch> slomo: if it's out
[10:51] <dholbach> ajmitch: if dapper is open then
[10:51] <dholbach> and another one:   Copyright:
[10:51] <dholbach> At present, it is written in Japanese only, please see copyright.ja
[10:51] <dholbach> and note that it is not allowed to use these fonts for commercial
[10:51] <dholbach> purpose and also you can not modify these fonts unless you contacted
[10:51] <dholbach> to gt@l.u-tokyo.ac.jp
[10:51] <ajmitch> dholbach: breezy was open at UDU
[10:52] <dholbach> true
[10:52] <slomo> ajmitch: i bet it's already out but they again forgot to publish it ;)
[10:52] <ajmitch> slomo: probably
[10:52] <ajmitch> hm, not yet :)
[10:54] <ajmitch> ok, I have to get off to work
[10:54] <ajmitch> I'll be back online soon :)
[10:57] <slomo> gn8 everybody :)
[10:57] <bddebian> GNight slomo
[11:25] <dholbach> where are all those crazy MOTUPython guys?
[11:26] <dholbach> how do i package stuff that wants X, gtk and everything else working in a braindead setup.py?
[11:26] <dholbach> neglect setup.py?
[11:27] <dholbach> daniel "there must be an easy option" holbach :)
[11:27] <dholbach> oh cool, it even wants to install schemas *grmbl*
[11:28] <shackan> what's that?
[11:28] <ajmitch> dholbach: sounds easy enough
[11:29] <dholbach> i see, so drop python-distutils and use debhelper only?
[11:29] <ajmitch> no real need to do that
[11:36] <dholbach> yeah, i normally do too
[11:36] <dholbach> but this case is different, hrm
[11:37] <bddebian> Time to head home, later gang
[11:38] <dholbach> bye barry
[11:38] <dholbach> :))))