[01:06] <magnon> evening
[08:32] <shaga> good morning Jane
[08:33] <shaga> time for me to get some coffee, I'm draining here at work already
[08:44] <JaneW> hi
[08:45] <jsgotangco> hey JaneW 
[08:45] <jsgotangco> i already had 4 cups
[08:50] <JaneW> jsgotangco: heh, but you have a 9 hr lead on me ;)
[08:52] <jsgotangco> im actually tired
[08:53] <shaga> usually I would drink already 1-1.5liters of coffee already but I slept for too long and didn't have time for it.. :/
[09:00] <shaga> gmail notifier doesn't recognize my userid/passwd. and I'm more than definetly sure I've typed them correctly. I tried even with @gmail.com in the end of the userid..
[12:07] <jsgotangco> ogra i see khelpcenter now!
[12:07] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:07] <ogra> :)
[12:08] <jsgotangco> are you in agreement that edubuntu workstation looks more solid than ubuntu
[12:09] <ogra> lol, 
[12:09] <ogra> its the same...
[12:09] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:09] <jsgotangco> maybe i just like the look more
[12:09] <jsgotangco> :)
[12:09] <ogra> thanks :)
[12:11] <shaga> jsgotangco: I couldn't agree more ;)
[12:13] <ogra> WOW
[12:13] <ogra> i got a mail from the club of rome thinktank leader
[12:13] <jsgotangco> football club?
[12:14] <ogra> they want to distribute a edubuntu DVD with their documents...
[12:14] <jsgotangco> WOW
[12:14] <ogra> www.clubofrome.org
[12:15] <jsgotangco> ogra, i got to talk with the faculty of http://www.dls-csb.edu.ph/ and said they will use edubuntu for their desktops and one of their labs
[12:15] <jsgotangco> after they saw my laptop
[12:15] <ogra> wow
[12:15] <jsgotangco> they even want me to train them
[12:15] <ogra> cool
[12:17] <jsgotangco> ogra, congrats :)
[12:18] <ogra> heh
[12:19] <jsgotangco> ogra, it just fits the gartoon icon set
[12:19] <ogra> if i can make space, i'll add some additional wallpapers
[12:19] <ogra> but i you look at the ppc build you will se that it exploded tonight
[12:19] <ogra> 704MB :/
[12:19] <jsgotangco> oh my
[12:20] <jsgotangco> what's the difference that its bigger?
[12:20] <ogra> so i have either to drop something common or just to ignore it and tell ppc users to use the DVD
[12:20] <shaga> I have 'make' in my hilight-list coz it's my nickname(often used for markus 'english version would be 'marcus' I think).. do you have any idea how many times it hilights me during a one day? :D
[12:21] <shaga> time for a cig, brb I quess
[12:25] <Yagisan> or use 750MB cds
[12:48] <JaneW> ogra: what do you think of that rome e-mail? I think it sounds great...
[12:48] <ogra> nah, normally we only use 650MB i already extended it to the max 
[12:49] <ogra> JaneW, if it wouldnt be this early, i'd slup champaign now :)
[12:49] <shaga> :)
[12:49] <jsgotangco> congrats to you both
[12:49] <shaga> ditto
[12:49] <ogra> especially now that we really *have* a DVD since yesterday....
[12:49] <JaneW> ogra: do we need to ok it with someone (ndz, silbs etc) or can we give the go ahead?
[12:50] <ogra> i'd call that perfect timing :)
[12:51] <ogra> i want to make sure the DVD is ok... they shouldnt use yesterdays image, there were some changes after it was build tonight... so not before the saturday build ...
[12:52] <JaneW> ogra: when do you think they want to press their DVDs? Not before mid Oct prolly, in which case they can use the final release...
[12:52] <ogra> yup
[12:52] <ogra> but i guess they will want to test it before...
[12:53] <JaneW> are you going to respond? or should I?
[12:53] <ogra> do it :) youre the manager ;)
[12:53] <ogra> probably put mdz or silbs on CC
[12:54] <JaneW> ogra: yes that's what I was thinking..
[12:54] <JaneW> will do
[12:54] <ogra> :)
[12:55] <JaneW> there's a Q about edu LiveCD on u-d (not sure which part of DON'T reply here there guy didn't understand)
[12:56] <ogra> heh, i have it open here :)
[12:56] <jsgotangco> sorry if i wasn't that much help lately guys, i have been busy looking for a new job and with the laptop testing and all...
[12:57] <JaneW> jsgotangco: how's the job hunt going?
[12:57] <ogra> jsgotangco, not much help ???
[12:57] <ogra> jsgotangco, you are our curretn promotion manager if i see that right :)
[12:58] <jsgotangco> JaneW, pretty flat at the moment, but linuxworld opened up somepossible opportunties
[12:58] <ogra> (i'd say running around and getting more users is *very* helpful)
[12:58] <jsgotangco> its been fun talking really
[12:59] <JaneW> jsgotangco: hopefully the exposure will open some doors for you
[01:00] <jsgotangco> thanks it'll come for sure :)
[01:03] <markg24> ogra - ok ... from yesterday ... right before leaving for my meeting the machines started to boot ... so it looks as though everything is working properly...
[01:04] <markg24> Now - where do I add info to the wiki?
[01:04] <ogra> make a new page... EdubuntuEtherboot for example...
[01:04] <markg24> ok -- do you ever sleep?
[01:04] <ogra> i'll have to check if we should ut mknbi on the Cd
[01:04] <ogra> yes, after release ;)
[01:05] <markg24> lol -- alright -- mknbi is pretty (well, totally) necessary ... so I would think it should at least be on the cd ...
[01:05] <ogra> yup
[01:06] <JaneW> ogra: are you going to be like a bear and hibernate for a few weeks to catch up? 
[01:06] <ogra> heh, yes :)
[01:06] <jsgotangco> good its cold in montreal
[01:08] <shaga> ogra: *laughing at your sleeping schedule*
[01:08] <ogra> ;)
[01:08] <ogra> the less i sleep now, the more i can sleep during the dapper release cycle :)
[01:09] <shaga> haha
[01:09] <markg24> dapper sleep ... sounds so, well, dapper ...
[01:09] <shaga> have you ever thought about ubermans sleeping schedule?
[01:10] <shaga> http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=892542
[01:10] <shaga> I've tried it twice, it gives you a hell of a lot more time ;)
[01:11] <ogra> heh, i'll try ;)
[01:16] <shaga> it's quite hardcore for starters tho
[01:18] <markg24> why does evolution always puke when initially setting up an imap account?
[01:19] <markg24> I'd really like to see evolution catch up to Kontact in printing/managing calendars ... that would be nice ...
[01:20] <jsgotangco> ogra, what's with edubuntu-desktop telling me that it is being kept back?
[01:21] <ogra> hmm
[01:21] <shaga> for me as well
[01:21] <shaga> I just used apt-get install edubuntu-desktop and restart gdm ;)
[01:22] <shaga> it removes gnome-screensaver and install x-screensaver instead as well
[01:22] <ogra> looks like its caused by openoffice
[01:23] <jsgotangco> ogra, yup
[01:23] <ogra> thats right, we switched back to xscreensaver
[01:23] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:23] <jsgotangco> and i was beginning to like gnome-screensaver
[01:23] <shaga> it's way cooler tho ;)
[01:23] <shaga> imho
[01:23] <ogra> not really... 
[01:24] <ogra> but g-s-s isnt ready yet
[01:24] <ogra> once its ready it will be a lot better than x-s-s
[01:24] <ogra> (it already is in many areas)
[01:24] <shaga> I like how the screen transforms into screensaver and fades out with x-screensaver ;) or then I just haven't noticed it's before if it was in gnome-screensaver as well
[01:25] <ogra> no, thats missing in g-s-s
[01:25] <shaga> okay, good to hear I'm not just tripping :)
[01:25] <ogra> but g-s-s is integrated with gconf, uses dbus to communicate and has a way claener UI (even if its lackinf functionality)
[01:26] <ogra> once the missing bits are added x-s-s will look antique
[01:26] <shaga> sounds reasonable 
[01:27] <markg24> you need to be at least 25 to be antique ... I am antique :)
[01:27] <jsgotangco> 25?
[01:27] <jsgotangco> jeezz that makes me jurassic
[01:28] <markg24> is that what the 'j' stands for (jsgotangco)?
[01:28] <jsgotangco> jerome
[01:28] <jsgotangco> that's my name
[01:28] <jsgotangco> s is my middle name
[01:29] <shaga> I'm just 22
[01:29] <markg24> oh ... really thought it was 'jurassic' there for a moment .. sorry jerome :)
[01:29] <jsgotangco> ogra, aye
[01:29] <jsgotangco> that makes us vintage
[01:29] <ogra> but x-s-s *is* 25 :)
[01:29] <markg24> seriously now -- ogra -- how old are you -- you don't look that old in your photo ...
[01:29] <ogra> 35 :)
[01:30] <markg24> oh ... ok ... that's old (hehe ... ) I'm 29 ...
[01:30] <ogra> i'm just shaved good on that pic :)
[01:30] <jsgotangco> haha
[01:30] <jsgotangco> 29 is still young
[01:30] <shaga> am I the youngest one speaking around here? :p
[01:30] <shaga> I don't feel myself too old anymore hehe
[01:30] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:30] <markg24> I work with Youth (primarily) -- and I'm telling them I'm "30 minus 1" -- that way 30 doesn't catch me off guard
[01:31] <shaga> :)
[01:31] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:31] <jsgotangco> oh well
[01:31] <jsgotangco> i gotta take a rest first guys
[01:31] <jsgotangco> maybe a nap
[01:31] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:31] <jsgotangco> or dinner even
[01:31] <jsgotangco> see you all later
[01:31] <shaga> have fun
[01:31] <ogra> ciao
[01:32] <markg24> ogra -- I notice that schooltool starts on start-up ... what exactly is starting?
[01:32] <jsgotangco> hrmm
[01:32] <jsgotangco> wait a minute
[01:32] <jsgotangco> installing edubuntu-destkop removes g-s-s?
[01:33] <ogra> replaces g-s-s with x-s-s
[01:33] <markg24> jsgotangco ... I think in your old age you missed that bit just a few moments ago ... now, grab your cane and shake it at me angrily!!
[01:33] <jsgotangco> hrmm apt isn't too smart then
[01:34] <shaga> apt-cache is so stupid at least :p
[01:34] <markg24> dang ... a rail gun ... /me ducks
[01:35] <jsgotangco> well good night
[01:39] <markg24> well ... I need to go as well -- I'm raising a portion of a drop-ceiling at our Youth Center ... I need saw blades :)
[01:39] <ogra> have fun :)
[01:49] <Yagisan> G'day ogra - is it possible to specify that services are on different machines eg tftp on box A, nfs on box B etc ?
[01:50] <ogra> Yagisan, sure, but you need to tweak the configs
[01:51] <Yagisan> ok. I don't like "leaving all my eggs in one basket"
[01:52] <Yagisan> I'll do a test run in vmware before rebuilding my network
[01:52] <ogra> :) 
[01:54] <Yagisan> heh - I'm one of the 15 seeds for the i386 torrent
[01:55] <ogra> :-D
[01:55] <Yagisan> I'm glad my uploads aren't counted like my downloads are
[01:56] <shaga> I was for the last evening(and for night as well, I think)..
[02:49] <JaneW> what countries are represented here today?
[02:49] <Gand_> Hi from Italy
[02:50] <Gand_> I'm installing edubuntu on a PPC G4 933 Mhz
[02:50] <Gand_> I get an error installing LTSP !
[02:51] <ogra> Gand_, did you follow the instructions ? (topic)
[02:51] <JaneW> ta
[02:51] <ogra> germany btw...
[02:52] <ogra> and pere is in norway (donno if he represents here currently :) )
[02:52] <Gand_> Opps I'm reading instructions now, be back in a minute :)
[02:52] <ogra> :)
[02:54] <pere> ogra: only randomly, and when adressed directly, I believe. :)
[02:54] <ogra> :)
[02:55] <pere> my xchat tab turns blue when someone mentino my name, and it triggers my curiosity. :)
[02:55] <ogra> pere, how's the release going at your side ? 
[02:55] <pere> slowly forward. :)
[02:55] <shaga> btw, from finland
[02:55] <ogra> great :)
[02:58] <Gand_> no problem with IP adress (I've a static one), and also my locale is installed and I've just finsih upgrade now,
[02:59] <Gand_>  but during install, LTSP chroot failed
[02:59] <ogra> Gand_, you have choosen the provided IP ? else it wont work due to the described bug
[02:59] <ogra> (will be fixed before mid next week)
[03:03] <Gand_> no ip provided during installations, probably I mistake because windows said to leave blank the interface if DHCP was active, so I did'n insert eth0 and only I pressed enter. 
[03:03] <ogra> thats the first screen the CD shows you after language selection...
[03:04] <ogra> from when was the iso you used ? 
[03:04] <Gand_> one minute i search it
[03:04] <Yagisan> ogra: http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/edubuntu-vmware.png :(
[03:05] <Gand_> http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/
[03:05] <Gand_> no problem, I can reinstall it
[03:06] <Gand_> I'm tryng some test
[03:06] <ogra> Gand_, make sure the data in /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf matches your network settings for the thin clinet network
[03:09] <Gand_> this machine will be used as e-learning server with apachephpMysql+CMS or with ZopePlone
[03:10] <JaneW> ogra: just sent the e-mail askig for edubuntu CDs *hold thumbs*
[03:10] <Gand_> I know how to set up this kind of server with OSX, I'd like to learn hot to do the same with ed/ubuntu
[03:11] <ogra> Yagisan, sounds like a bug to report to bugzilla...
[03:11] <ogra> :/
[03:14] <ogra> MIL ??
[03:19] <Gand_> thank a lot now I've to go, I'll be back as soon as I can, I've set up vnc so I can work remotely from my home, see you , bye
[03:19] <JaneW> ogra: Mother In Law
[03:19] <ogra> oh
[03:19] <JaneW> ogra: cool our preview announcement in French http://www.scideralle.org/article.php3?id_article=152
[03:21] <ogra> cool
[03:23] <Yagisan> ogra: This looks just like the error I had in hoary - that I already reported for RAID. hmm
[03:23] <ogra> JaneW, if we participate in SoC again, i propose to start a month earlier to have more time to select the students
[03:24] <ogra> Yagisan, oh, youre uing raid in vmware ? 
[03:24] <JaneW> ogra: yeah it would be great, but we had no control over the timing this time...
[03:24] <ogra> just propose it to google ;)
[03:24] <JaneW> ogra: I do think it will be better co-ordinated next time with a greater chance of success
[03:25] <ogra> i hope so
[03:25] <JaneW> ideally we'd like it synchoronised with our release cycle
[03:25] <JaneW> it would be awesome ;)
[03:25] <ogra> :)
[03:38] <Yagisan> ogra: no - it's the same error as raid. It looks like the devices aren't made it time
[03:39] <Yagisan> ogra: me http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/Yagisan.jpg
[03:40] <ogra> lol
[03:40] <ogra> your small one really looks like you ;)
[03:40] <ogra> and i think i remember you now :)
[03:40] <Yagisan> I shaved and had a haircut for that pic
[03:40] <Yagisan> thank you
[03:41] <Yagisan> I think she looks like her mother
[03:44] <JaneW> lol - CUTE!
[03:46] <JaneW> me 's babies... http://www.flickr.com/photos/13916877@N00/
[03:47] <Yagisan> cool boys
[03:48] <Yagisan> I think my next one is a boy
[03:48] <Yagisan> find out in November
[03:50] <JaneW> Yagisan: good luck
[03:50] <Yagisan> thanks
[03:51] <Yagisan> 2 under 2 =-O
[03:52] <JaneW> hehe
[03:52] <JaneW> mine were 22 mnths apart - it's doable...
[03:52] <JaneW> a friend had 3 under 3!
[03:52] <JaneW> that's scary!
[03:53] <Yagisan> my support is 6500 kilometres away :'(
[03:53] <Yagisan> just me and poor wife
[03:54] <Yagisan> if I had 3 under 3 - my wife would do a bobit job on me - ouch
[05:10] <Yagisan> ogra: still here ?
[05:11] <ogra> Yagisan, sure
[05:12] <Yagisan> ogra: same error - no lvm this time
[05:12] <Yagisan> :(
[05:13] <Yagisan> got a newer iso ??
[05:13] <ogra> Yagisan, hmm, all i can say is report it to bugzilla and probably ping jbailey in -devel
[05:13] <ogra> the access to the drive will be dependent on initramfs, thats jbailey territory
[05:15] <shaga> I was just going to say that he's always around.. never sleeps nor leaves his computer alone :p
[05:15] <shaga> but by the second time I checked this channel, it was already too late ;)
[05:16] <ogra> heh
[05:18] <JaneW> ogra: ping
[05:19] <ogra> JaneW, just answering the mail
[05:19] <JaneW> mutter mutter
[05:20] <shaga> quite edited for reason too long to tell, but quess whos this fellow http://sha.rikos.org/sh.jpg
[05:21] <JaneW> ogra: feeling quite p'ed off - why can;t we make progess on this issue?
[05:22] <JaneW> shage: very delic indeed ;)
[05:22] <ogra> JaneW, dont ask *me* 
[05:22] <shaga> :p 
[05:22] <JaneW> ogra: sigh
[05:22] <ogra> JaneW, especially since we talk about less than $2000 here i guess
[05:23] <ogra> i'm already thinking about to sell some HW and let them press myself...
[05:23] <ogra> *SIGH*
[05:23] <JaneW> the point I think is that most ubuntu user *could* d/l the damn thing themselves
[05:23] <JaneW> most potential edubuntu users couldn't...
[05:24] <JaneW> but I'll just do what I am told
[05:41] <ogra> ok, sent
[05:44] <Yagisan> good night all
[09:10] <markg> ogra - where's the wiki page with instructions for squidguard ... I bookmarked it on my other computer ... sigh ...
[09:13] <ogra> you mean the one from the ubuntu wiki ? 
[09:13] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContentFiltering
[09:13] <markg> yep - thanks so much 
[09:14] <markg> Oh - one thing -- on my setup in the Youth Center (8 machines ... 1 server) -- The first machine turned on always fails to load -- it get's to the nfs-sever part and times-out ... every machine started after that works ... just thought I'd mention it.
[09:15] <ogra> thats bug 12942
[09:15] <ogra> feel free to follow up there :(
[09:15] <ogra> err 
[09:15] <ogra> :)
[09:16] <markg> I see ... bi-polar kind of thing, eh ...
[09:24] <markg> hrmph -- is squid picky too -- usually I can just apt-get install but it's not wanting to start ...
[09:51] <rickfitz> ogra: Hi - got a possible screensaver problem on the server.
[09:55] <ogra> with which screensaver ? xscreensaver or gnome-screensaver ? note we switched back to xscreensaver yesterday
[09:56] <shaga> are you sure it was yesterday? :)
[09:56] <ogra> yup
[09:56] <ogra> i did it...
[09:56] <ogra> yesterday night... just in time for todays build
[09:56] <shaga> okay, I was just in too late then to notice it immediatly :)
[09:57] <ogra> (night == german TZ)
[09:57] <shaga> is that how much earlier than gmt+2?
[09:57] <shaga> do you happen to know
[09:58] <ogra> i think its the same
[09:59] <rickfitz> ogra: I did the update, but haven't re-booted or re-logged-in. Maybe that's it. I have a blank screen with mouse pointer (arrow), but no response.
[09:59] <ogra> btw, the screensaver change went alongside with khelpcenter being added ;)
[10:00] <ogra> ah, yes, a new login is required to change the screensaver
[10:00] <rickfitz> Unless you want me to investigate, I'll just re-boot.
[10:00] <shaga> the thing I love mostly with x/xorg is ctrl+alt+backspace <3 ;)
[10:01] <ogra> you can login on console and kill the gnome-screensaver process with udo
[10:01] <ogra> sudo even
[10:04] <shaga> it can be done via graphical gui as well I assume?
[10:05] <shaga> system monitor utility
[10:05] <ogra> how, if the screen is locked ?
[10:05] <rickfitz> I just killed it with ctrl+alt+backspace, then startx and all's well. I'll reboot anyway.
[10:05] <ogra> ok
[10:07] <rickfitz> Couple of other things. Server keyboard is british, clients are US. Shouldn't clients follow server set-up? 
[10:08] <ogra> yes, i havent had my big ltsp fixing session yet, i'll fix the loginmanager and the dhcp.conf generation next week
[10:08] <shaga> ogra: oh, I bugged, my mistake :p
[10:08] <ogra> currently it just uses PATH and LANG from the cilent... where both is set to us or C
[10:08] <shaga> I usually start x mostly via sudo gdm
[10:09] <ogra> and PATH is still missing /usr/games ...
[10:10] <rickfitz> also noticed the client shows the wrong time and date. And always seems to fail the ntp sync during start-up, which I guess may be connected.
[10:11] <ogra> nope, the time and datedtring in the login manager is hardcoded, its a two line fix that didnt get included yet
[10:12] <ogra> s/datedtring/date string/
[10:12] <rickfitz> Ah :-)
[10:12] <ogra> it should show some date in july
[10:12] <rickfitz> it does!
[10:13] <rickfitz> I have a few more general usability observations, but I'll send that stuf to the list.
[10:13] <ogra> i have a preety nice themeable login manager that didnt make the freeze... in case youre interested: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/
[10:14] <shaga> gotta try it soon
[10:14] <shaga> :)
[10:14] <rickfitz> Yeah. Saw your conversation with Flint yesterday.
[10:14] <shaga> I am interested definetly
[10:14] <shaga> and I saw it as well I think
[10:14] <ogra> :)
[10:15] <shaga> flint is quite freaky fellow :)
[10:15] <shaga> but good one
[10:15] <rickfitz> Had a quick look, but couldn't get apt to play in the chroot environment.
[10:15] <ogra> he has had a strong discussion with mdz to get it included... but mdz didnt allow it 
[10:15] <rickfitz> didn't have time to do more
[10:16] <ogra> that migh be because it was installed from cd... you might need to copy the sources.list from the main environment to the chroot
[10:16] <rickfitz> any more thoughts on disk space?
[10:16] <ogra> CD space ? 
[10:16] <rickfitz> ye
[10:16] <ogra> or HD space for installations ? 
[10:16] <rickfitz> cd
[10:16] <ogra> we have a DVD now ;)
[10:17] <ogra> i will put all languages possible on the remaining space for the arches that have space left...
[10:17] <rickfitz> Oh. Thought people didn't like that for third-world countries without readers
[10:17] <ogra> i.e. x86 and amd64
[10:18] <ogra> yes, thats why i will have a sensible selection of languages on the cd... 
[10:18] <ogra> if you want *all* 90 langs you need to take the DVD
[10:18] <rickfitz> gotta go. back later
[10:18] <ogra> ciao
[10:37] <shaga> so you moved into dvd?!! really?
[10:37] <shaga> or at least are adding as an option
[10:37] <shaga> and amd64/x86 at the same disk
[10:37] <shaga> if that is so and I got it right, it's more than perfect ;)
[10:38] <ogra> nope, its stil a DVD for every arch
[10:38] <ogra> but it includes all of main
[10:59] <shaga> oh, okay
[10:59] <shaga> but that would be nice to choose via cdboot
[10:59] <shaga> amd64 or x86 for example
[10:59] <shaga> dvd has space enough for that I assume? ;)
[11:08] <jamey3> does anyone know the exact release date?
[11:12] <ogra> oct 13
[11:15] <jamey3> ogra, thanks
[11:15] <jamey3> is everyone really busy readying the release then? :D
[11:15] <ogra> yup
[11:23] <rickfitz> Now have the themeable login manager installed. Much nicer :-)
[11:23] <rickfitz> and easier to use too. (Doesn't lose focus when you move the mouse.)
[11:26] <ogra> yup
[11:26] <ogra> but sadly a dapper feature, wont make breezy :/
[11:26] <mpt> themeable login manager?
[11:27] <ogra> mpt, yes...
[11:27] <ogra> a gdm fake :)
[11:27] <shaga> ogra: are you definetly sure it won't make it?
[11:27] <ogra> yes
[11:27] <shaga> okay
[11:27] <ogra> there was a loud argument about it...
[11:28] <shaga> I can see it already :)
[11:28] <ogra> mpt, i'll show it to you at UBZ (if i find a PC for a ltsp install)
[11:33] <rickfitz> Feature freezes are a necessary evil. You have to stop somewhere.
[11:33] <ogra> yup
[11:33] <ogra> but it was done only some days after freeze... thats what bothers some people...
[11:35] <rickfitz> but it's open source. We're free to adapt it as we please.
[11:36] <ogra> sure, its just not in the install... you need amnual intervention
[11:36] <ogra> manual even
[11:36] <rickfitz> I like amnual!
[11:36] <ogra> :)
[11:43] <mpt> ogra: So gdm-fake : gdm :: gnome-screensaver : xscreensaver?
[11:44] <ogra> nah, i wont replace gdm...
[11:45] <ogra> even its very tempting... my ldm has only 200 lines of python code, it fully themeable and very light
[11:45] <ogra> s/it/is
[11:45] <mpt> 200 lines of python code
[11:45] <ogra> around 200
[11:45] <ogra> and a bit glade
[11:45] <mpt> The iTunes replacement my flatmate implemented yesterday was 200 lines of python code
[11:45] <ogra> hehe
[11:46] <ogra> <3 python <3
[11:58] <rickfitz> ogra: just looking at a screensaver running on a thin client. Is that back again with xscreensaver. (I thought it was fixed in gnome-screensaver)
[12:00] <ogra> but only after a wile, right...? i still have to find the right place in the code to disable it...
[12:00] <ogra> dont worry, its on my TODO
[12:01] <rickfitz> sure. just thought I'd mention it in case it was a regression.
[12:02] <shaga> http://www.bash.org/?86218
[12:02] <shaga> :D
[12:02] <ogra> i just didnt fix it when i was told to rather care for gnome-screensaver...
[12:03] <ogra> which turned out to generate tons of complaintment mails in my inbox :/