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Riddell\sh_away: amarok 1.3.2!12:11
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TonioRiddell: are you still searching for goof network configuration tools ?12:38
Toniogood12:38
RiddellTonio: always12:39
Toniohttp://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=2183212:39
TonioI've packaged it and it waits for revu ;)12:39
Tonioit works like a charm12:39
Toniobut only wifi at the moment12:39
TonioI think that could a good replacement to kwifimanager that only show informations but doesn't allow any connection12:40
Toniodon't you ?12:40
Toniofinallyi'll wait a bit before going to sleep :)*12:41
RiddellI'd compile it but my processor is busy working on amarok12:44
Toniookay ;) it was for information12:49
TonioI'll have a look at kdenetworkconf in svn, I hope kde 3.5 will provide a good version of this !12:49
RiddellI've looked at it before, can't remember what I concluded12:49
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RiddellTonio: the knetworkconf in breezy is the KDE SVN version pretty much12:55
Tonioarf ! not a good news ;)12:55
TonioI have searched for the source package that is supposed to correct the bug, so I think i'll send an email to aslinux developper'steam12:56
Riddelland hint that they are allowed to send stuff back to KDE12:58
Tonioyes I know that, I'll ask them whether it has been done or not01:04
TonioHo I have to post a request for adept too, i forgot that01:04
Tonioi'll do it tomorrow01:04
Riddellwhich request?01:07
apokryphosThere's a README.packagers in the blinken/ -- you should probably check it http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/242001:15
apokryphosthings can take so much longer when there's new apps, or many things change in an app; didn't realise devs can have such a hard time upgrading :P. Despite that, I like it -- kinda fun. Plus, it's gotta be done :)01:16
apokryphosif betas are packaged I figure it makes it much easier for when final is available01:17
Riddellapokryphos: this is just beta so no need to get it perfect, take the quick route for now and leave a note in the changelog01:17
apokryphosok01:17
TonioRiddell: request for saving system state and importing like in synaptic ;)we discuss that last week01:21
Riddelloh aye01:21
apokryphosDid a lot, but there's a few little more bits; gonna have to call it a night -- first proper day at University tomorrow :), so gotta be up early. Hopefully I'll be able to finish it all for tomorrow02:01
Riddellapokryphos: thanks and sleep well02:05
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TonioRiddell: are you aware of the kubuntu-guidance dependency problem ???02:24
RiddellTonio: what's the problem?02:25
Tonioi get an error : unable tofind library libpython2.4.so02:25
Toniowhile python2.4 is installed.....02:25
Toniobut there is no libpython2.4.so02:25
RiddellTonio: latest breezy?02:25
TonioI have a libpython2.4.so.102:25
Tonioyep latest breezy and up to date02:26
Toniotonio@Kubuntu:~$ locate libpython2.402:26
Tonio/usr/lib/libpython2.4.so.1.002:26
Tonio/usr/lib/libpython2.4.so.102:26
Toniotonio@Kubuntu:~$              02:26
RiddellTonio: what are you running to get guidance?02:26
Toniothat might be issue, where is .so ? ;)02:26
Riddellit's in python2.4-dev02:26
Tonioyep, I know, but python2.4-dev isn't in kde-guidance dependancies:)02:27
Tonioshould it depend on it ?02:27
RiddellI'm going to make it depend on it as a quick fix, but it should be fixed to not need it02:27
TonioI'm running from start menu, I have the "parameters" submenu02:27
Riddellrunning system settings?02:27
Toniolet me try with systemsettings....02:28
Riddellhow else do you run?02:28
TonioI added the "configuration" submenu in the K menu, and I generally manage from there02:29
RiddellTonio: how did you add that?02:29
TonioI think in english the menu is labeled "parameters"02:29
Tonioright click in the bar02:29
Tonioconfigure02:29
Toniothen "menus"02:30
Tonioand there you can add variety kind of submenus02:30
Toniolike "search" "quick browser", "parameters" etc...02:30
Tonioit is by default in kde ;) you never saw taht ?02:31
Tonioadding this menu is a real cool way to get fast acces to all configuration options ;)02:31
TonioRiddell: there are less aplications by default no ? can't see kolourpaint, kgpg etc.... that's better ;)02:33
Tonioto many tools by default in hoary ;)02:33
Riddellkgpg was never default, we have krita for graphics02:33
Toniokgpg ? according to what I remember I never had to install it.........02:33
Toniomaybe I added it manually, but I don't remember that, anyway, you know default config better that anyone ;)02:34
Toniodd you find that submenu ?02:34
Riddellnaw, 3.5 kicker seems to be broken for that02:35
Riddellspeaking of which, I just announced 3.5 beta http://dot.kde.org/1127343716/02:35
Toniothis feature doesn't exist in 3.5 '-(02:36
Toniodammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmn02:36
TonioRiddell: I'm waiting for 3.5 so much02:36
Toniomy girlfriend wants me to wait for webcam support or msn to switch  ^^02:37
TonioI will not test kde 3.5 beta..... kubuntu unstable with a beta version of kde might be a bit to much for me :)02:39
Riddelllive on the edge02:40
TonioRiddell: I can confirm you that about libpython2.4 I get the same error from systemsettings, kcontrol and the parameters submenus02:40
Riddellbut damnit why, ldd shows everything as fine02:41
Tonio:(02:42
TonioI'm gonna learn python this year, with two friend of for a personnal project, and Ican promise you once done, we'll do a good tool to configure network ;) That shouldn't be complicated anyway !02:43
RiddellI'll remember you said that :)02:44
Tonioyou can ;) I'm not the kind o guy that forgets his promisses02:44
TonioI promissed you I'll take the time to learn how to build packages correctly and I've done it ;) still waiting revuing for about 17 packages now...02:45
TonioI'll had to other packages tomorrow02:45
Toniotwo02:45
RiddellTonio: please poke me into reviewing the packages  (not tonight but soon)02:46
Toniookay, I only add kde apps, so indeed you are concerned ;)02:47
TonioRiddell: so many people add gnome ones, that I decided to dedicate myself to kde ;)02:47
TonioRiddell:  question, where is kftpgraber gone ?02:49
RiddellTonio: maybe it's on the old REVU server02:49
Tonioit was uploaded on revu a few month ago and then dissapered..... I've done another package of 0.7 beta1 that works much better that 0.602:49
Tonioanyway concerning everything I uploaded, the only one that might interessed you is certainly "wireless assistant"02:50
Tonioit is the kind of thing that could replace kwifimanager, much better, really ;)02:51
Tonioother aps might not interesset you02:51
TonioRiddell: do you think we can contribute to adept ??? I'd like to provide the french translation ;)02:53
Tonioare you in contact with the developper ?02:53
RiddellTonio: yes I am02:55
alleeTonio: revu: you pkged wlassistant ;)  See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/wlassistant/trunk/?rev=0&sc=0 wlassistant still needs a final touch. We always welcome a helping hand.  02:55
RiddellTonio: it's in kde's SVN so you would probably have to translate it in the normal KDE way02:55
TonioRiddell: okay02:56
Tonioallee: I'm not a developper so helping will not be possible ;)02:57
Tonioanyway, i'll continue to package all new version of course ;) but that's all I can do !02:57
alleeTonio: that debian/ repo.  So 'no' developing, 'only' pkging ;)02:58
Tonioallee: is the svn version working better ???? I don't have any problems with the actual package. didn't see any bugs ;)02:58
alleeBetter?? don't know I use orig.tar + alioth svn checkout of debian/ dir.  pkg builds out of the box here.03:00
alleeAbout polishing: see http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/wlassistant/trunk/debian/TODO?op=file&rev=0&sc=003:03
Toniowould you like my source package ?03:03
alleeYupp.  I'll merge everything03:04
Tonioi'm sorry but I am up for 42 hours whithout sleeping, I don't understand everything actually lol :)03:04
Toniookay let me send it to you just a sec03:04
alleeBut in case your interested, it's no big deal to get write access to the repo.  merge dist independent stuff on trunk and ...03:05
TonioI didn't add a watch file as it was the initial release for my, not an update03:05
Tonioallee: not that I don't want to ;)03:05
alleeubuntu spedific stuff in wlassistant/branches/kubuntu03:05
alleeTonio: pity :)03:05
Toniobut I'm packaging for ubuntu, some people would like that I help as a MOTU, I have personnal projects to maintain, and a girlfriend to get married with lol03:06
TonioI can send you all packagesyou want, that's not a problem ;)03:06
Toniobut concerning uploading, I may forget unfortunately ;)03:07
TonioI even don't have enought time towork on my website actually.....03:07
Toniothe other problem is that I don't have a debian based computer to check the packages ;)03:08
alleeTonio: no problem. 03:09
Tonioyes with pbuilder that might be okay03:09
Tonioyou're right ;)03:09
alleeTonio: btw I don't have a debian sid host too at the moment03:09
Tonioallee: http://www.planetemu.net/temp/wlassistant.tar.gz03:09
Tonioyou have all inside03:10
alleeTonio: In case you pkg anything that's below: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/ send me the diff.gz03:10
alleeyou can of course check trunk/debian or branches/ubuntu for latest additions03:10
Toniookay03:10
alleeTonio: thx that very kind03:11
TonioI may package knemo when upgraded ;)03:11
alleesaves me some time03:11
Toniothat's normal, if I wouldn't do that for you I would be better in the microsoft's world lol ^^03:11
alleegrep the svn version.  and debuild -i it.  Works perfectly on hoary (not tired breezy yet)03:12
TonioI'll try, but maybe tomorrow, I really have to go to sleep... I a an important meeting tomorrow and I start feeling I will get there with very small red eyes lol03:13
Tonio43 hours up now.............. damn...........03:14
alleeorig tarballs for the debian/ dirs alioth are at http://pkg-kde.alioth.org/kde-extra/orig.tar.gz/03:14
RiddellTonio: go to sleep03:14
alleeah no knemo tarball.  Uploading ...03:14
Tonioah Riddell just let me send him the diff ;)03:14
Toniono you're right, my eye don't se much actualy ;)03:15
alleewget tarball; svn co kde-extra/<pkg>/trunk/debian;  debuild -i; works in breezy/hoary most of the time03:15
alleeTonio: wait a bit ;)03:15
Tonioallee:  not possible sorry ;)03:15
Toniosee ya tomorrow ;)03:16
alleeTonio: I'll promise there are there tomorrow only waiting for you03:16
alleenite Tonio 03:16
Tonio^^ okay, I'll come :)03:16
Toniobye guys !03:16
Riddellaseigo: go on, you can tell us03:38
Riddellhmm, no03:38
Riddellhttp://kubuntu.org/~jr/amarok/ amarok 1.3.2 testers wanted03:39
seth_kyay, /me yoinks amarok debs05:23
amumoin07:38
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\shRiddell: can't we get around this stupid .so problem without depending on python-dev for pykdeextensions?08:19
amuwho needs pykdeextensions, just drop the package  :D08:46
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verwilstRiddell: hello!09:57
\shamu: no ways :) it's the only method to write kcm modules in python ;)10:19
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hungerRiddell: Just tried speedcrunch... it is way to strange for normal users IMHO.11:19
hungerRiddell: and it can not do half the stuff kcalc does (like converting between hex and dec, etc).11:20
hungerRiddell: Could we please get kcalc back in kubuntu-devel?11:21
hungerRiddell: Plus speedcrunch has no help.11:21
amu\sh: ehuh    11:31
amuso cool. got such a new minimac for my desk  11:32
Riddell\sh: I'm sure we can but I've no idea how11:37
Riddell\sh: I did try fixing the libtool install path but it didn't make any difference11:37
verwilstRiddell: probs creating the debs?11:46
\shamu: send me one ;)11:56
\shRiddell: will check this evening how to fix this issue11:56
hungerRiddell: How about using abakus instad of speedcrunch? (http://grammarian.homelinux.net/abakus/) That has KDE integration.12:15
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elvirolohi all02:02
elviroloare there any plans about making packages for _all_ of kde 3.5 beta 1 ?02:02
apokryphosalready told you... but anyway :)02:02
verwilsthehe02:03
elvirolojust to know if they had more info :)02:04
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apokryphoshm, kgeography has no xpm for the menu entry. What to do?03:18
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authorHi guys.. who is the responsible person of the kubuntu forums?04:22
apokryphoseh?04:24
apokryphosUbuntuforums provide their own moderators for the Kubuntu forum, I believe; one of which might be in #ubuntuforums04:25
authorhttp://kubuntuforums.net/ -> http://www.kubuntu.org/ [News] 04:26
authorapokryphos: this forum i meant ;)04:26
apokryphosah, hadn't seen that before. Kubuntu.org is of course owned by the kubuntu devs; kubuntuforums is third-party, I'm reasonably sure04:27
authormhm i think its offical?04:28
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jjessesemi offical author 04:52
authorah04:53
apokryphosjjesse: who runs it?04:53
jjesseapokryphos: i don't know, but i know there is some discusion scheduled for the community council meeting04:54
apokryphosjjesse: oh; when's the next?04:54
jjesseapokryphos:  Sep 27th 2005 at 20:00 UTC04:54
apokryphosbut ergh, phpBB can be real ugly :P04:54
jjessei'm going to do my best to be there this time04:54
apokryphosmissed the last one too? Slacker 8)04:55
authorbut i mean on the kubuntu website was the text "kubuntu use the infratructur and support from ubuntu".. and now this text is not on the website.. 04:55
apokryphosaha, a news article posted on it (on kubuntu.org)04:56
authorapokryphos: sorry my english.. 05:04
apokryphosyou meant that earlier? Oh ok.05:06
authorexactly, in former times the website stood on05:09
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Riddellhttp://fridge.ubuntu.com/09:18
Riddell(not announced yet or something)09:18
Tm_Tsoo, new place to dump ubuntu-nonrelated stuff from community ;)09:20
Tm_TI think it's good thing though09:20
amuRiddell: my upload failed last night, i'll reup it tonight 09:24
Riddellamu: yeah, I saw that :(09:24
Riddellrsync is your friend09:24
amusure :)  09:24
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elvirolohi all ...09:38
elvirolodoes anyone know if musicbrainz support for mp3's in amarok is planned ?09:39
Riddellelvirolo: it's not really possible, linking musicbrains against libmad means we would have to have libmad on the CD and the lawyers don't like that09:40
elviroloi see09:40
elviroloso i have to recompile it ?09:40
Riddellelvirolo: you need to recompile libtunepimp, add libmad to the build-depends in debian/control and run debuild09:43
elvirolook, I need to RTFM to do all that09:44
elviroloBTW, great KDE packages :)09:44
Riddelllibmad-dev that should be09:45
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_toniohi all09:45
Riddellhi _tonio 09:46
Riddellanyone tested amarok 1.3.2 http://kubuntu.org/~jr/amarok/09:46
Riddell?09:46
_toniohi Riddell  -> I'm gonna do it09:46
_toniolet me on minute ;)09:47
\shRiddell: amarok-1.3.2?09:47
\shnew?09:47
\shoh no09:47
Riddell\sh: oh yes09:47
Riddellwith alsasink 09:47
\shfck09:47
_tonioRiddell: do you know this service menu -> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=2398109:48
Riddellbeen on pause here last night and doesn't seem to have memory leaked09:48
_tonioshould be nice to have it in kubuntu for complete newbies no ?09:48
_tonioI tested with my girlfriend, and dpkg seems to hard for her lol ^09:48
_tonioyou even can make a right click on a weblink poiting to a deb ;) that's nice ;)09:49
Riddell_tonio: yes, been meaning to look at that.  thanks for reminding me09:49
Riddellhmm, do we want people to be able to install stuff from the web I wonder09:50
_toniothat's the question ;)09:51
_tonioI think when kubuntu will have more kde apps packages it might not be necessary, but at the moment, it can unfortunately I think....09:51
_tonioRiddell: first good point -> alsalink ;)09:54
_tonio2nd good point, artsdlink works nice ;)09:54
_tonioonly strange thing is that package appears as "broken" in synaptic.....09:55
_toniostrage !09:55
_toniostrange09:55
Riddell_tonio: there's no deb source, just download and dpkg --install09:58
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_tonioI know, that's what I've done, but normally they appear as "locally installed package"09:59
_tonioRiddell: it is a problem with the version kdelibs4c210:01
_tonio amarok-gstreamer dpend de kdelibs4c2 (>= 4:3.4.91); cependant:10:01
_tonio  La version de kdelibs4c2 sur le systme est 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu4.10:01
Riddell_tonio: ah fooey, I packagead with kde 3.5 beta 1 installed10:02
_tonioappart from that, everything is fine, and really better that 1.3.110:02
_tonioyep10:02
Riddellnow we just need to persuade mdz to let it in10:02
_toniomdz ? wo is he ?10:02
Riddellthe ubuntu distro master10:03
Riddellhis approval is needed for upstream version changes this late in the release cycle10:03
_tonioah........ because itr is in main and not universe of course :)10:05
_toniowell letting the old crapping version would be a sad thing, really ;) but og course he should have so many things to get out.....10:06
\shRiddell: u put khelpcenter in suggests?10:09
Riddell\sh: I think I just copied your one for that10:10
\shRiddell: ok..u ask mdz or should I? 10:10
Riddell\sh: have you tested it?10:11
\shRiddell: no..I'm doing it just now..compiling it10:11
\shjust have to fix this bloody apt-file thingy10:11
Riddellapt-file thingy?10:11
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elvirolohum10:12
elviroloi just noticed that amarok constantly uses up > 70 % CPU here...10:12
\shapt-file package10:12
Riddellelvirolo: which version?10:13
\shRiddell: but if you say, it's ok..and you don't see any memleak..I'll trust u in those things more then I trust me ;)10:13
elviroloRiddell: 1.3 with both gst & xine10:13
\shwoot?10:13
Riddell\sh: well dunno, it's been on pause, maybe if it's on play for ages it gets worse10:13
Riddellelvirolo: which 1.3?10:14
\shRiddell: I'll test just now after compiling10:14
\shRiddell: u mixed the changelog10:15
elviroloRiddell: 1.3.110:15
amuRiddell: upload complete 10:15
amu59aa34f1e6a84d6669310150181480ad  kubuntu-hoary-live-i386.iso10:15
\shRiddell: the version history is not in order as it should be ;)10:15
Riddellelvirolo: please give 1.3.2 a try  http://kubuntu.org/~jr/amarok/10:16
Riddell\sh: in the changelog?10:16
elviroloRiddell: ok10:16
\shRiddell: yepp10:16
Riddellelvirolo: let us know how you get on10:17
elvirolosure10:17
Riddellamu: downloading10:17
Riddell\sh: what did I do wrong?10:18
\shamarok (2:1.3.1-0ubuntu2) breezy; urgency=low10:18
\shthis was my entry10:18
\shamarok (1.3.0-1) unstable; urgency=low10:18
\shcomes after 2:1.3.1 and not as a newer version ;) 10:19
\sh1.3.2-1 -> 1.3.1-2 -> 1.3.1-1 -> 1.3.0-1 -> 2:1.3.1 10:20
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\sh1.3.2-1 -> 1.3.1-2 -> 2:1.3.1-ubuntu -> 1.3.0-1 ... this is the correct order, is it?10:20
\shRiddell: i can sort it out10:21
RiddellI wonder if we should have a tunepimp-mp3 and musicbrainz-mp3 in universe10:25
Riddelllots of people are missing their musicbrainz10:26
elvirolohum10:26
elvirolosame prob for amarok 1.3.210:26
Riddellelvirolo: what do you do to get the problem?10:27
elviroloelvirolo: just play a mp310:28
Riddellelvirolo: what engine?10:29
elviroloboth gst and xine10:30
Riddellelvirolo: which output?10:30
elvirolosame for ogg's in fact10:30
Riddellosssink or alsasink?10:30
elviroloalsa10:30
Riddellelvirolo: any paticular mp3 or all of them?10:31
elviroloall of them10:31
elvirolomp3's, ogg's, mpc's ...10:31
Riddellstrange10:31
_toniolu;)10:31
\shgive me a bit time..I'll check it as well :)10:31
elvirolowow, it gets up to 90 %10:32
elviroloi'm going to bed10:34
elvirolothanks for your help10:34
elvirologood night (or whatever)10:34
\sh  PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND10:44
\sh 7001 shermann  15   0 50872  21m 7920 S 13.9  4.4   1:34.13 gnome-terminal10:44
\sh18691 shermann  15   0  119m  42m  22m S 11.6  8.4   0:06.82 amarokapp10:44
Riddell:)10:45
Riddellthat's why we have konsole10:46
\shlooks ok..for xine and gstreamer10:46
\shehe..evolution and xorg are eating between 34m and 40m ,-)10:46
\shso what the hell ,-)10:47
\sh512m have to be filled up...and the gig swap too ,-)10:47
\shamarok has now a pretty volume control 10:49
\shdid u see it? 10:49
RiddellI like it10:49
\shyeah10:50
\shI think it's not more broken then 1.3.1 ;) so let's go for it10:50
Riddellthe track counter slider still not that great10:50
\shyeah...they will fix it in 1.4 ;)10:50
\shwill u ask mdz? 10:52
Riddellok10:53
\shthen he will all the bugs back to u ;)..10:53
\shbtw...do u have a general kubuntu bugs list or address which can hold 2 or more email address to forward all the bugs assigned to "kubuntu-bugs@bla"?10:54
Riddell\sh: not sure what you mean10:54
\shRiddell: all the kde bugs are assigned to you...a more common email address like kde-bugs@ubuntu.com or something would help to forward the bugs to a team10:55
Riddell\sh: there's the kubuntu-bugs@ mailing list10:55
Riddell\sh: can you send that to me too?10:59
\shsure10:59
\shsend11:00
\shhmmm11:02
\shit consumes actually 8 Megs more then 1.3.111:02
\shbut it's nicer on the cpu usage actually11:10
\shcan be that elvirolo had beagle running11:10
Riddellwhy would that effect amarok?11:10
\shit would affect memory consumption and cpu utilisation11:11
Riddellof amarok?11:12
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\shRiddell: he never mentioned amarok itself ;)11:12
\shtop - 23:13:17 up  5:01,  4 users,  load average: 0.49, 0.56, 0.7111:13
\shTasks: 114 total,   1 running, 113 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie11:13
\shCpu0  : 24.4% us,  1.9% sy,  0.0% ni, 73.6% id,  0.0% wa,  0.0% hi,  0.0% si11:13
\shMem:    516364k total,   510608k used,     5756k free,     6628k buffers11:13
\shSwap:   979956k total,    92616k used,   887340k free,   228532k cached11:13
\shRiddell: I honestly don't know where he looked at...11:13
\shand evolution eats more cpu time then amarok when it starts to check for mail on imap servers ...11:14
\shok...amarok 1.3.2 looks ok for me :)12:02

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