[12:01] gross [12:02] kdelibs would be like libgnome [12:02] or something GNOMish [12:02] libgtk is not really GNOMish [12:02] i thought libgnome was dying [12:02] daniels: for GNOME 3 [12:03] we are not here yet, don't worry :) [12:03] pick another GNOME lib if you want [12:04] libgnomeui32 :P === shackan [n=shackan@host9-93.pool8259.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 slaps daniels [12:06] good night... i'm off to bed [12:06] 'night dholbach [12:06] night seb :) [12:06] dholbach: night dude [12:07] dholbach: night [12:07] night you two [12:09] bye dholbach [12:09] bye brandon :) === dholbach [i=foobar@i577B2252.versanet.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [12:11] seb128: I tried removing all the config.sub and .guss from the 12_autotools patch of gnome-panel, cdbs-edit-patch let me edit the patch this time, however, still no go at building the package afterwards [12:11] what happens? [12:12] j [12:12] EWIN [12:18] Riddell: I'll do the split patch tomorrow and send it to the Debian guy to know if he's ok with it [12:18] sivang: what is the error? [12:18] seb128: thanks [12:18] np [12:19] seb128: sec, I noticed that I didn't kill all of the config.sub/guess stuff from the patch after all, do you have an automated way to do that? (through gaim maybe) [12:19] s/gaim/vim/ [12:19] nop [12:20] seb128: plain manual? :) === camilotelles [n=Camilo@20132139198.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:21] seb128: ok, trying to other approach, why the panle_addto stuff is missing when I drop autotools patch entirly and recreate it aftere applying all other patches manually? [12:21] yep [12:21] seb128: (that's the only error I get when dropping the former 12_autotools and recreating it) [12:21] how do you create this patch? [12:22] seb128: I get the src pkg, rm debian/patches/12_autotools , cdbs-edit-patch 12_autotools, autoconf, rm -rf auto4mate/ , exit 0 [12:23] that's not an autoconf patch [12:23] that's an autotools one [12:24] the add to panel changes modify the Makefiles [12:24] aclocal, automake, etc are used [12:26] ok then, can I readd the 11_lpi_autoconf patch? [12:27] (in order to seperate the two and not mess with the 12_ one) [12:27] no [12:27] 12_ also update the configure [12:27] that would be wrong to have 2 patch doing that [12:28] seb128: it only affects users who choose a very specific combination keyboard layout and options, and it doesn't make the system useless if it breaks [12:28] ogra: I don't know anything about gcompris; I gave 15706 to you [12:28] mdz: very specific is english and any layout using a group 3 (ie: most of non-english languages) [12:29] ie: use a de, fr, da, .. keyboard and try to add a en one [12:30] but luser probably don't have 2 different layout configured, right [12:31] mdz, yes, the question is, if i should follow upstreams suggestion to rather upgrade than fix it (the reporter is one of the upstream guys) i know a handfull of missing icons, but i dont know how many hidden bugs are there, apparently he tested the 7.0 version since a while on ubuntu (he's regulary in #edubuntu) [12:31] still quite an annoy regression imho, and we have got a bunch of bugs about that [12:31] s/oy/oying/ [12:32] mdz: if 'hoary regression' is critical, as my inbox seems to be telling me, then this is critical === sebest [n=chatzill@sebest.ovibes.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] seb128: so , again, do I clean config.sub, config.guess, config.guess-cdbs and config.h.in from the patch? which ones should I leave inside? [12:32] sivang: mail me the lpi patch, I'll update the autotools one and upload [12:33] daniels: a hoary regression from a functional system to a non-functional system is critical; hoary->breezy upgrade failures are critical [12:33] daniels: breezy has a bug that hoary doesn't have isn't automatically critical [12:33] mdz: 'xlib doesn't support my locale' is allegedly neither of those two [12:33] ogra: new upstream versions at this time are pretty insane [12:33] mdz: certainly no more than 'xkb doesn't support my layout' [12:34] daniels: use "french layout with english configured as second" and you get a desktop with no theme, no icon, etc [12:34] seb128: ouch. you should totally handle that more robustly. [12:34] daniels: perhaps I misunderstood the locaale bug. what is the functional impact on affected programs? [12:34] daniels: g-s-d "just crash" as specified by the bug [12:34] and it tries to restart [12:34] it does that like 10 times and then stop trying [12:34] and you have a broken desktop [12:34] mdz: depends on how they're written. likely just non-localised strings. [12:35] seb128: nice [12:35] if you are lucky, sometimes it crashes gnome-session with it [12:35] mdz, ok :) [12:35] and you have just a gdm screen :p [12:35] daniels: broken localization means, for many users, that they become unable to use their computer [12:35] mdz: (which to me seems no more critical than a keyboard layout which bears utterly no relation to what's on the keycaps.) [12:35] mdz: broken keyboard means, for many usres, that they become unable to use their computer [12:35] mdz: ranging from 'i can't do accents', to 'how the fuck do I even type my username on this thing' [12:35] daniels: "have to use layout foo instead of foo,bar" != "broken keyboard" [12:35] mdz: it makes GNOME unusable for non-english people setting an extra english layout [12:36] daniels: how about we stop arguing about it and you fix the bug? [12:37] daniels: you seem to have only 3 critical bugs at the moment and one of them has a trivial fix [12:38] mdz: for many users, layout foo vs layout foo,bar, is an unusable keyboard [12:38] mdz: and if the fix was actually that trivial, it would be uploaded by now. but it isn't. so it's not fixed yet. [12:39] daniels: the fix for bug 15770 is trivial and it's been open for two days [12:39] mdz: as in, neither of the bugs we've been talking about [12:40] daniels: daniels: you seem to have only 3 critical bugs at the moment and one of them has a trivial fix === ironwolf [n=ironwolf@c-67-188-204-176.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] I didn't claim that the xkb bug was trivial; it's obvious from the bug log that it isn't [12:40] there we go, 15770 fixed [12:40] now where were we? [12:40] we were at the part where you actually upload it [12:41] no, we're beyond that part [12:41] thank you [12:41] i live to give [12:42] so what's the deal with #13724 (the xlib locale thing)? is that specific to certain locales? [12:43] I haven't seen it myself, but it seems to be fairly common for upgraders [12:43] as the title says, non-UTF-8 locales [12:44] _all_ non-UTF8 locales? [12:46] yes [12:48] seb128: setxkbmap -layout fr,us works fine for me here. as the title says, it seems to only happen when that option is also in use, and that option doesn't seem to be a default anywhere I've looked. is it? [12:48] mdz: setxkbmap work, setxkbmap -print | ... doesn't [12:49] mdz: welcome to the land of non-obvious failure modes [12:49] seb128: so -print | xkbcomp is what GNOME does? [12:49] yep [12:50] well, ish [12:50] does that have some other effect beyond what setxkbmap does? [12:50] but effectively [12:50] yes, it's less shit [12:50] ... [12:50] i'd rather not explain xkb internals at this point [12:50] mdz: "setxkbmap -layout 'fr,us' -model pc105 -option '' -option 'grp:alts_toggle' [12:50] -print | xkbcomp - :0.0" is what GNOME does [12:51] seb128: with some more bits of concentration I made it. I am now testing the build, if it's nice, I will upload source and you review, and if all fine we upload? [12:51] k [12:51] seb128: I appriciate the offer from before, but everytime you are helped, you don't learn things :-) [12:51] seb128: can we get g-s-d to not crash when this happens? [12:52] mdz: hum, make it robusts to libxklavier crashers ... I'll give it a try [12:53] mdz: but that will give a silent keyboard breakage for users [12:53] ie: they will get a default layout instead of what they configured === Bicchi [n=Bicchi@adsl-065-006-167-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] seb128: they get that anyway; but currently they also get a crash, right? [12:54] right [12:54] this is a hillarious intersection of: xkb parser problem (somewhere in libxkbfile), x server problem (not dealing with xkbcomp bombing properly in the setmap request), gnome problem [12:55] daniels: how GNOME? :) [12:55] the former is *really* hard to solve properly. the second I can solve really properly but not without being very invasive. the latter is SEP so I don't care. [12:55] seb128: no matter what I feed you, g-s-d should not crash [12:55] seb128: similarly, the X server shouldn't ever bomb, no matter what sort of weirdo crack it gets from a client [12:56] I agree === Simira [n=rpGirl@214.84-48-74.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] but as just said, then you would get a silent (or not) layout breakage [12:56] ie: user would get default config instead of what they configured [12:56] which is not really nice neither :/ [12:57] right; we have a bug open about it === xTina [n=xTina@p54A24499.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:57] daniel says that he will add some debugging [12:58] I'm not sure what else we can do but debug it, unless we can revert to an older libxkbfile or whatever [12:58] no, that code hasn't changed [12:58] debugging> for me to work out what the christ is going on [12:59] the code hasn't changed since hoary? what did change to trigger the bug? [12:59] subtleties in xk-c, iirc [12:59] they did practically rewrite the whole thing === lamont ->sleep [01:01] daniels: has "grp:alts_toggle" to be the default? === shackan [n=shackan@host163-46.pool8261.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:01] daniels: maybe we can change that to workaround the crasher [01:01] seb128: it's not the default, no [01:02] daniels: it is, and that's what makes it crashing [01:02] er [01:02] "If you look at 'fr', you'll see the default variant includes [01:02] 'level3(ralt_switch)'" [01:02] daniels: http://listserv.bat.ru/xkb/Message/880.html [01:02] i just grepped for alts_toggle over /etc/X11/xkb and ~/canonical/xorg/monolith/xorg-6.8.2/debian, it's not the default :P [01:02] level3(ralt_switch) != grp(alts_toggle) [01:03] graa [01:03] level3(ralt_switch) -> altgr switches to level 3 (i.e. shift on crack) === Bicchi [n=Bicchi@adsl-065-006-167-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:03] grp(alts_toggle) -> both alt keys together change groups (think: layouts) [01:03] hum,yeah, we want altgr for that [01:03] right [01:03] so the problem comes when you combine those two -- when you have a layout that uses altgr for third level, and both alts together to change groups [01:05] daniels: but "-option 'grp:alts_toggle'" is used by default .. [01:05] maybe we can't ride that of that [01:05] that would workaround the crasher [01:05] maybe alts_toggle is used by default in gnome, but not in X [01:05] s/can't/can/ [01:05] yeah, that's what I'm saying [01:05] oh [01:05] "setxkbmap -layout 'fr,us' -model pc105 -option '' -option 'grp:alts_toggle' [01:05] -print | xkbcomp - :0.0" is what g-s-d calls [01:05] right [01:06] but is that by default, or only when you select 'alts together toggle group'? [01:06] would dropping the "-option 'grp:alts_toggle'" be an issue? [01:06] well, it would mean that there's no way to switch between french and us layouts :P [01:07] ctrls_toggle or altshift_toggle (or whatever it is) work also [01:07] but the problem is matching what people coming from windows and/or os x expect [01:07] I usually click on the applet to switch :) [01:07] seb128: http://muse.19inch.net/~sivan/lpint/gnome-panel/ , phew ;) [01:07] seb128: let me know how it looks and if you upload [01:07] k [01:08] seb128: yeah, but some people hate azerty and would rather get rid of it at the login screen [01:08] seb128: can't blame them [01:08] elmo: can you whitelist my @ubuntu.com email address for katey as well ? [01:08] s/katey/katie/ [01:09] sivang: *@ubuntu.com is whitelisted [01:09] Lathiat: ah cool :) [01:09] i asked the same thing last week ;) [01:09] daniels: I don't have any option selected to switch groups, that probably the default one [01:10] seb128: nah, you have to provide your own option to switch groups if you want it [01:10] seb128: you don't get a default group-switching option [01:10] -option 'grp:alts_toggle' is specified by g-s-d here [01:10] and I've not picked any option === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:12] seb128: that's gnome, then [01:13] trust me when I say that X isn't setting that per default [01:13] seb128: ok, hope my pkg passes your review, Bon Nuit :-) [01:13] later [01:13] good night all [01:13] daniels: I'm not saying X does, but g-d-s put that to its default call [01:13] seb128: right [01:13] seb128: probably libxklavier [01:14] is it me or launchpad.net is really slow? === mxpxpod [n=bryan@12-215-144-61.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:18] sebest: 1000 people now went to see if launchpad is slow ;] [01:18] big plus to non-DMA-enabled CD drives: you can ping the machine and see the latency in the replies to judge if the installer is done copying the files over yet [01:21] haha zyga [01:21] zyga: i just got a "proxy error" [01:21] and i don't use any proxy [01:22] sebest: its the proxy on the side of the launchpad stuff [01:22] maybe they need a hardware crypto accelerator for ssl traffic ;) [01:23] Lathiat: too bad i was discovering launchpad and starting to really like it, and it died... === tritium [n=michael@pcp0011975002pcs.sandia01.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:35] is there a GUI option somewhere to put the home folder on the desktop? [01:35] mxpxpod, i think there is only a gconf key [01:36] ogra: stink [01:37] 'night === Gman [n=Glynn@amfea-proxy-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === feehan [n=sfeehan@pool-64-222-103-115.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Bicchi [n=AB@adsl-065-006-167-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dsl-084-059-067-056.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:09] jdub: is gnome-user-share porting to avahi? [02:11] jdub: arrrrr, i found their CIA === otavio[off] is now known as otavio === feehan [n=sfeehan@pool-64-222-103-115.burl.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === feehan [n=sfeehan@pool-64-222-103-115.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@203-214-4-72.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:38] tseng, jdub: i ported it the other day [02:38] tseng, jdub: i sent the patch to the maintainer, not commited yet but [02:39] Lathiat: you are my hero, etc. [02:39] Lathiat: im getting antsy for some webdav/zeroconf lvoe [02:39] love. [02:39] want the patch? [02:39] i wont get to it today, would have to rebuild gnomevfs and all that jazz [02:39] if gvfs even works with avahi now [02:39] nah it doesn't [02:39] doubt it with freezes and such [02:40] there you go.. [02:40] no ones actually poarted it yet [02:40] dapper it is [02:40] http://bur.st/~lathiat/gnome-user-share.diff [02:40] dapper will be a giant zeroconf orgy [02:40] and hopefully DAAP [02:40] DAAP is in rhythmbox [02:41] with avahi [02:41] and banshee is getting support, as daap-sharp and avahi-sharp are working fairly well now [02:41] and libnss-mdns 0.6 uses avahi if possible [02:41] altho that reminds me [02:41] i need to fix the ubuntu version [02:41] banshee is getting support when abock fixes the 34242 other bugs [02:41] to compile with avahi support [02:41] ubuntu version of? [02:42] anand being the silly goose he is decided to disable it, despite it not needing any runtime or build dependencies for avahi [02:42] (nss-mdns) [02:42] i see [02:42] i thought that was part of the package [02:42] yeh but he disabled it [02:42] in the debian package [02:42] when do we get 0.5 in breezy? [02:42] for no reaon [02:42] of avahi? [02:42] soon [02:42] yes. [02:42] waiting on ross [02:42] sent him the mono patch stuff [02:42] elite [02:42] said he was getting to it yesterday/today [02:42] can i see that patch? [02:42] which one? [02:43] oh [02:43] http://ajmitch.dyndns.win.co.nz/debuild/ubuntu/mono/0.4-0.5.debdiff [02:44] oh did aj review it? [02:44] ajmitch made it [02:44] haha === tseng set autoapproval mode === Lathiat laughs [02:45] i think he is missing some small stuff [02:45] but it might work ok. [02:45] like MONO_SHARED_DIR isnt set [02:45] the buildd hates that [02:45] it tries /home/buildd/.wapi [02:45] = explode [02:45] feel free to fix it ;) === tseng pokes ajmitch [02:46] he fscke dup the control patch to [02:46] i fixed that when i sent it to ross [02:46] what a loser [02:46] haha [02:47] also we often have to mode -x on .dll files [02:47] but not that important [02:49] How odd. My HP is now behaving strangely. [02:49] Lathiat: ill look more when its in the archive [02:49] Lathiat: and i can play around with it. [02:49] tseng: _before_ it hits the archive would be a better time to fix it? ;) [02:50] well i tried to build it on top of some installed package [02:50] and its pretty effed up right now [02:50] hard to test if the avahi# stuff has proper dllimport action [02:52] hm [02:52] Lathiat: http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/cli-policy/ch-mono.html#s7.3 [02:52] Lathiat: right here is what im talking about [02:52] do that export at the top [02:52] and rm it in clean: [02:52] thats all. [02:55] GOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS! [02:55] hi jeff [02:58] Lathiat: does that make sense, or should i really put a two line patch on my list? [02:59] Lathiat: ill probably play with avahi again anyway === slomo_ [n=slomo@p5487FAAC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carstenh [n=carstenh@mkfw.fh-trier.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:16] tseng: so yeah, the avahi patch was a little broken, but I blame Lathiat for pressuring me [03:16] oj === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:16] ok === otavio is now known as otavio[off] [03:17] Lathiat: and what was wrong with the debian/control? I didn't really look at the patch I made :) [03:18] Lathiat: did you mean just the incomplete description that I asked you to fill in? === jarjar_must_die [n=CoreTex@adsl-69-110-60-29.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:34] ajmitch: yes :) [03:34] ajmitch: i didn't pressure you i just... pestered you ;) [03:34] Lathiat: meh, that's minor :) [03:34] persistently pestered === Bicchi [n=AB@adsl-065-006-167-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi [n=nnnozamo@h174n7c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:39] mdz: What's the procedure for moving stuff from multiverse to restricted? === jorgp3 [n=jorgp@bnet-dial-211.bartnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi [n=nnnnozam@h174n7c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:17] Can someone please rectify things so that going to https://launchpad.net/malone doesn't give me " Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page."? [04:17] crimsun: Ping? [04:18] is there a 'boot without gdm' mode on the livecd? [04:18] crimsun: slmodem-2.9.10 is *not* a newer version than 2.9.9d, and it has the added "advantage" of not actually being distributable === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:19] jdub: single user mode ;) [04:19] 'single' works on the livecd? [04:20] never tried it but it would be the first linux without i know [04:20] s/i/it/ === Gman [n=Glynn@amfea-proxy-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi [n=nnnnnoza@h174n7c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub does not trust this perspective [04:21] ... aka runlevel 1 [04:21] the livecd dude [04:21] different kettle of fish [04:23] Oh, I see [04:23] If I go to "Ubtuntu" first, I can get to Malone === Amaranth [n=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:33] c/c === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:39] elmo: ping [04:39] jdub: ? [04:39] oh, hey [04:39] yay === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-137-155.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:43] mjg59: so far it's sort of ad hoc...what's the package? [04:43] mdz: sl-modem [04:43] mdz: Though first it needs to be rolled back to a version that we can actually legally distribute [04:43] right, I didn't think we could [04:43] 2.9.9 is under BSD plus two binary blobs [04:43] 2.9.10 is under insane crack [04:44] 2.9.9d is actually newer than 2.9.10 [04:44] But is a fork from the 2.9.9 codebase === ozamosi [n=nnnnnnoz@h174n7c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jorgp3 [n=jorgp@bnet-dial-211.bartnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:29] mjg59: I think there's a 2.9.9e === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:49] mjg59: err, eek? === jorgp3 [n=jorgp@bnet-dial-211.bartnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:00] lamont-away: well it's a bit too late for them, isn't it? === alisher [n=alex@vp216233.kln.uac75.hknet.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:45] infinity: ping? === jcohen85 [n=jason@dhcp-129-64-160-38.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:49] jbailey, what do i need to do tomorrow to help you fix the delayed bootup issue? === alisher [n=alex@vp216233.kln.uac75.hknet.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-137-155.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [06:55] fabbione : pong. Sorry dude, just woke up after mysteriously passing out in front of my computer early this morning. === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:00] infinity: ok.. any news for me? [07:01] infinity: re #15962 [07:02] (And many other bugs, too) [07:02] I've made a pact with myself to not look at anything other than lrm until it's fixed, so that's what I'm on right now. [07:02] Shame about all my other bugs. :) [07:03] Every time I do a test build, i realise that somewhere in my 600k debdiff, I typoed something. [07:03] (Yes, yes, I know, "test build, what's that?") [07:04] ok :) [07:07] daniels : Hey, neat, looks like you're not the only person with the "my nForce NIC just spontaneously stops working for no good reason" bug. (8229) [07:08] infinity: what version of the nForce? [07:10] Completely different (and newer) motherboard in Daniel's machine, but I assume they both use forcedeth for the NIC, which is where I assume the bug is. [07:10] rockin [07:11] Not like that's any useful info to go on, so watch it not get fixed until it really irritates someone with way too much spare time. [07:11] But, hey, "reboot into Windows to reinitialise the firmware with the nVidia driver" is a clever workaround. [07:13] Right, this is what happens when I search bugzilla for "nvidia". Sidetrack bad. === infinity goes back to work. === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:21] good morning [07:26] sladen: hmm, I only see 2.9.9e-pre2? [07:27] I'll go ahead and revert that brain-dead upload with some "really" versioning. Beats an epoch, I guess. [07:27] mjg59: thanks again === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [i=foobar@i577B0F28.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:49] good morning === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:52] daniels: when i change something in aclocal.m4, how do i propagate the chage around? [07:52] daniels: i can never remember the libtool dance... [07:53] autoreconf -v --install [07:55] thanks [07:55] np === jamesh [n=james@203-59-207-160.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === [Chameleon] [n=Paul@000f660c9c52.click-network.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [n=JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:36] Good morning === Kamion [n=cjwatson@83-216-156-196.colinw664.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:37] <\sh> morning pitti [08:37] morning pitti, morning Kamion [08:38] <\sh> pitti: any experience with vpnc? ,-) [08:38] j #mlug === jkrogh [n=jesper@Linuxnews.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:41] \sh: none, sorry === Valandil [n=chrys@dsl-084-056-118-042.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:45] <\sh> pitti: me neither...but it must be a cool small tool for connecting to cisco vpn concentrators [08:45] yes, I read your mail on u-d and saw the description [08:47] <\sh> grmpf... [08:47] <\sh> doing a hoary -> breezy dist-upgrade ... and I see a lot of errors... [08:48] <\sh> where are the logfiles again for apts dist-upgrades errors? [08:49] <\sh> /var/log/base-config ?? [08:49] \sh: it's a bit embarrasing, but apt does not keep a log [08:50] <\sh> damn... [08:51] <\sh> because it doesn't upgrade without problems...grrr [08:52] <\sh> linux-kernel wasn't updated to breezy [08:52] <\sh> dictionaries-common had wrong values didn't pull in the german dictionaries [08:52] <\sh> (sorry...but i have to jump between two places here, and I need a scratchpad) [08:57] <\sh> mvo: we should implement it ;) [08:59] \sh: the whishlist bug is only 3,5y old :) [08:59] <\sh> mvo: not long enough ;) [08:59] exactly ;) === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:00] <\sh> restarted the laptop in single mode..trying to fix the mess now ;) [09:02] <\sh> btw...every employee here at ish running now around with a Hp laptop and ubuntu on it, is poking me now to fix this and that...it's scary...what did I do when I distributed the CDs ,-) [09:03] hahah [09:05] <\sh> mvo: don't laugh..it's not funny...u won't get any issue report on your cable MTA anymore when this is not stopping ;) [09:05] <\sh> coffee now..brb === azeem_ [n=mbanck@proxy-out.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kobold [n=kobold@debian/developer/kobold] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d5152D086.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-22-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:29] <\sh> ok...update is ok now from hoary to breezy...some entries in the sources.list were corrupt ... error due to problem sitting in front of the keyboard [09:37] \sh: PEBKAC [09:37] ? [09:40] <\sh> Treenaks: well..the guy had some strange repositories in it...removed them, updated and everything was smooth.. [09:41] \sh: m.. m.. marillat? [09:50] <\sh> Treenaks: no...hoary stuff...no external backports === Brik [n=Sonja@213-140-6-121.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@243.Red-83-47-24.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Valandil [n=chrys@dsl-084-056-118-042.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:10] <\sh> jdub: is this you sitting there with no pants? http://lwn.net/images/ns/lca/d-waugh.jpg [10:10] hahaha [10:11] haha, whats worse is im in the background [10:11] over the dunking pool :-) === dand [n=dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:17] <\sh> jdub: I just had a laugh flash when I saw this with luis' statement on p.g.o. [10:17] <\sh> Mentioned Ubuntu to him; he told a fairly funny story about 'this Ubuntu guy at OSCON who just wouldn't stop talking'. 'Australian?' 'Yeah, he was an aussie.' 'Yeah, I know him.' :) [10:17] <\sh> hehehhe [10:17] <\sh> and then this.. [10:17] hehe [10:19] taking my pants off and pimping the love... these are my vices. :-) === Yagisan [n=jamie@220-245-248-145-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [n=Glynn@amfea-proxy-2.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:21] <\sh> now I'm just thinking to leave my trousers at home when I'm going to UBZ... [10:25] G'day - is installing breezy on LVM over RAID working in the installer ? It didn't in hoary. === hunger [n=hunger@p54A629FE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:30] jdub: the fade-effect of gksudo is now gone, but (some) people seem to dislike that (#15997, some irc remarks). do you think we should discuss it in e.g. a TB meeting? === JaneW [n=JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:31] mvo: people are never happy with what they get :p [10:32] tell me about it [10:32] people get a US keyboard, they complain they want French, I point out that US is better, they just complain [10:32] hahaha [10:32] haha [10:33] daniels: I agree that U.S. is really better than French :-) [10:33] (keyboard-wise) [10:33] (and German) [10:33] grrr [10:33] daniels: !!! [10:34] pitti: !!! [10:34] pitti: setxkbmap -option compose:ralt === Aegir [n=reldred@d58-104-30-13.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:35] <\sh> come on...kblayout bashing... [10:35] although to be honest I have no idea how to compose a diaresis as opposed to an umlaut [10:35] UK keyboard sucks === MagnusR [n=magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:35] cutting the left shift in half for the \ is just silly :) [10:35] Lathiat: UK keyboard rocks [10:35] esp since i keep doing ctrl-\ instead of ctrl-shift === Aegir [n=reldred@d58-104-30-13.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:35] and SIGKILl the process [10:36] I'm slowly becoming accustomed to the | being down there [10:36] <\sh> Lathiat: depends on the keyboard... [10:36] i kinda like the " being shift-2 [10:36] but thats about it [10:36] \sh: dell laptop uk keyboard [10:36] (ibm uk here) [10:36] <\sh> Lathiat: the r200 keyboard actually is nice..but only the ' next to a small return key is just crap..anyways [10:36] i mostly got used to it [10:36] ibm us fo'lyf [10:37] put i still never can quite hit the @ key right [10:37] elmo, Znarl: ping? [10:37] tend to hit one of the others next to it === \sh is going to have coffee ... [10:37] Lathiat: isn't the @ key l3+q? [10:37] <\sh> brb [10:38] or is that german [10:39]