[12:06] <dholbach> good night... i'm off to bed
[12:14] <Shufla> hello
[12:14] <Shufla> zyga: check email.
[12:14] <zyga> Shufla: hey
[12:14] <zyga> Shufla: I just replied :)
[12:14] <Shufla> grt - prv
[12:27] <sivang> Shufla: you dance a lot of rueda I suppose? :)
[12:28] <Shufla> sivang: yes... indeed... Rueda de Casino...
[12:28] <Shufla> huh...
[12:29] <sivang> Shufla: your nick is like when you Shuffle your partner in it :)
[12:29] <sivang> "Inshufla"
[12:29] <Shufla> heh :>
[12:29] <Shufla> En Chuffala
[12:29] <sivang> or , "Di Le Keno"
[12:29] <sivang> lol
[12:29] <sivang> now I Now how to write it
[12:29] <sivang> or "Da Me"
[12:30] <Shufla> heh.
[12:30] <Shufla> well, my nick wsa given to me before I started to dance salsa
[12:31] <Shufla> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Dancing:Salsa:Rueda_de_Casino
[12:44] <siretart> Burgundavia: still having problems with londonlaw?
[12:45] <siretart> Burgundavia: if yes, make sure you have libwxgtk2.6-0 installed. if londonlaw still uses 2.4, please contact me
[01:31] <dooglus> is it worth making a bug report for typos in manual pages, or should I just ignore it?
[01:34] <ogra> dooglus, make a bug report in malone but note that we wont handle it with high priority
[01:35] <dooglus> ogra: ok, thanks.
[01:35] <dooglus> ogra: is malone down at the moment?
[01:35] <ogra> thanks as well :)
[01:35] <ogra> might be, i heard there are problems wih launchpad
[02:17] <bmonty> anyone having trouble accessing launchpad?
[02:58] <sladen> bmonty: it's been hanging for several hours
[03:00] <bmonty> :(
[03:36] <bmonty> anyone been able to figure out why x utilities can't find the app-defaults folder?
[04:38] <ajmitch> hi jsgotangco
[04:38] <jsgotangco> morning ajmitch
[06:19] <hub__> gah
[06:19] <ajmitch> ?
[06:19] <hub__> my package only put the /usr/doc crap in the sub-package
[06:19] <ajmitch> eww
[06:19] <ajmitch> you should never have /usr/doc
[06:19] <hub__> the debian stuff
[06:19] <hub__> it is not ine
[06:20] <ajmitch> you said 'my package'?
[06:20] <hub__> usr/share/doc
[06:20] <hub__> libmylib-dev
[06:20] <hub__> libmylib
[06:20] <hub__> libmylib-bin
[06:20] <hub__> libmylib-doc
[06:21] <hub__> I'm packaging something for upload to REVU
[06:21] <hub__> a new package
[06:21] <hub__> libiptcdata
[06:21] <ajmitch> ok
[06:21] <hub__> :-)
[06:21] <hub__> I have libiptcdata-dev.files
[06:21] <hub__> i debian/
[06:21] <hub__> but the files aren't compied over :-/
[06:22] <ajmitch> package.files is deprecated
[06:22] <hub__> ah
[06:22] <ajmitch> you should be using dh_install
[06:22] <hub__> damn
[06:22] <hub__> I use cdbs
[06:22] <ajmitch> yeah
[06:22] <ajmitch> which uses dh_install
[06:22] <hub__> ok
[06:23] <hub__> so I mv *.files to *.install
[06:26] <Lathiat> rename 's/files$/install' *
[06:26] <Lathiat> im not sure mv *.files *.install will do what you want :)
[06:26] <ajmitch> syntax is generally the same
[06:26] <hub__> Lathiat: yeah. don't worry
[06:26] <hub__> I know mv :-)
[06:26] <ajmitch> the master MOTU Lathiat can help you out with it :)
[06:27] <Lathiat> just checking :)
[06:27] <hub__> I got bitten enough by using * and forgetting the dest dir
[06:27] <Lathiat> i've done silly things
[06:27] <Lathiat> like tab complete a dir
[06:27] <Lathiat> expected it to fail
[06:27] <Lathiat> typed *
[06:27] <Lathiat> and hit enter
[06:27] <Lathiat> came back 10 minutes later
[06:27] <ajmitch> ouch
[06:27] <Lathiat> noticed that 90% of my homedir was no more
[06:27] <Lathiat> it was about 80% through my ubuntu mirror
[06:27] <Lathiat> unfortunately u is at the end of the alphabet
[06:27] <hub__> Lathiat: I did a mv over the oringal file
[06:27] <Lathiat> next time i name by ubuntu mirrror aaa_ubuntu
[06:28] <hub__> Lathiat: I used e2fs_debug recover
[06:28] <hub__> was my guadec paper
[06:28] <Lathiat> heh
[06:28] <hub__> ah crap
[06:28] <hub__> dh_install -plibiptcdata-dev
[06:28] <hub__> cp: cannot stat `./usr/lib/pkgconfig/libiptcdata.pc': No such file or directory
[06:28] <ajmitch> hub__: as I said, syntax is similar :)
[06:28] <hub__> but debian/tmp/usr/lib/pkgconfig/libiptcdata.pc exists
[06:28] <hub__> ajmitch: yeah, I got that
[06:28] <ajmitch> it might need some extra flags passed
[06:29] <hub__> :-/
[06:29] <ajmitch> DEB_DH_INSTALL_SOURCEDIR = debian/tmp
[06:29] <Lathiat> try takign the ./ off
[06:30] <Lathiat> and maybe putting debian/tmp/ at the start
[06:30] <Lathiat> or that
[06:30] <ajmitch> in debian/rules
[06:30] <hub__> ah
[06:30] <ajmitch> Lathiat: always go for the quickest hack ;)
[06:30] <Lathiat> i dunno
[06:30] <Lathiat> if you nee dot install fiels from debian/
[06:30] <Lathiat> its not good
[06:30] <Lathiat> :)
[06:30] <Lathiat> yeh just forget about it ;p
[06:30] <hub__> it is part of the source tree
[06:31] <hub__> ajmitch: that works
[06:31] <hub__> thanks
[06:31] <hub__> maybe a new upload on REVU :-)
[06:50] <hub__> ajmitch: btw, if one want to update a package already in ubuntu, we just need to upload a new version?
[06:50] <ajmitch> yes
[06:50] <hub__> ok
[06:59] <Burgundavia> siretart, it appears to be still depending on python-wxgtk2.4, but installed 2.6 makes it work correctly
[07:23] <hub__> a perl module, shall I use CDBS or let dh-make-perl do the rules file
[07:24] <hub__> I'll use CDBS
[07:49] <dholbach> good morning
[07:51] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, you are going to UBZ?
[07:57] <jsgotangco> hi Burgundavia
[07:57] <Burgundavia> salut jsgotangco
[08:03] <hub__> hey Burgundavia
[08:04] <hub__> unless there is un imprvu
[08:07] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, you aren't swimming are you?
[08:09] <hub__> does the order of Packages depend in the control file?
[08:10] <dholbach> hub__: not really
[08:10] <dholbach> only for a  bla | blubb
[08:10] <hub__> dholbach: I was thinking for a split package
[08:10] <hub__> dh_install -pexiftool
[08:10] <hub__> cp: cannot stat `./usr/bin/exiftool': No such file or directory
[08:10] <hub__> dh_install: command returned error code 256
[08:10] <hub__> grrr
[08:11] <hub__> and if I set
[08:11] <\sh> moins
[08:11] <dholbach> hi \sh
[08:11] <hub__> DEB_DH_INSTALL_SOURCEDIR, it doe snot work either
[08:11] <dholbach> hub__: what do you have in the bla.install file?
[08:11] <dholbach> do you have it up on REVU?
[08:12] <hub__> usr/bin/exiftool
[08:12] <hub__> usr/share/man/man1/exiftool.1p.gz
[08:12] <hub__> not yet on REVU
[08:12] <Lathiat> hub__: put debian/tmp/...
[08:12] <hub__> Lathiat: I did
[08:12] <Lathiat> no go?
[08:12] <hub__> ah in .install?
[08:12] <hub__> ok
[08:12] <Lathiat> ya
[08:13] <dholbach> yeah, you have to first mention the files that have you in the build tree
[08:13] <hub__> make sense
[08:13] <hub__> dholbach: I uploaded libiptcdata earlier on REVU
[08:14] <hub__> my first library package
[08:14] <dholbach> excellent :)
[08:14] <hub__> :-)
[08:14] <dholbach> will have a look tonight, ok?
[08:14] <hub__> sure
[08:14] <dholbach> super
[08:14] <dholbach> now i need to take murphy for a walk
[08:14] <hub__> I'll queue them :-)
[08:14] <hub__> murphy: the dog?
[08:14] <dholbach> yep... http://murphy.gplan.info
[08:15] <dholbach> :)
[08:16] <hub__> I'm accumulating a collection of tools for digital photography :-)
[08:17] <hub__> question now: the package dcraw comes with a tarball that is made by the debian maintainer, as upstream give a few .c
[08:17] <hub__> what shall I do if I update the tarball with a new .c upstream?
[08:18] <dholbach> you want to add the changes by a debian maintainer to the upstream tarball?
[08:19] <hub__> there is no upstream tarball
[08:19] <hub__> just that upstream come as a single .c
[08:19] <hub__> actually a couple for a couple of programs
[08:19] <hub__> the debian maintainer made a tarball and considered that as upstream
[08:19] <hub__> the package is dcraw
[08:20] <hub__> it is in universe
[08:20] <hub__> but out of date
[08:20] <dholbach> i see
[08:20] <dholbach> you 'd have to add copyright notices for both parts of the package
[08:20] <hub__> they have them
[08:21] <dholbach> it's a bit cumbersome you have to "make up" your own tarball
[08:21] <hub__> yeah
[08:21] <hub__> this program has a lot of drawbacks
[08:22] <hub__> I'll try that then
[08:22] <dholbach> if you were really anal, you could take the upstream .c file, consider it as the "upstream orig tarball" and put the debian maintainers' changes into a dpacht/cdbs-patch
[08:22] <dholbach> that'd be completely right thing to do
[08:23] <dholbach> but it's a weird corner case
[08:23] <hub__> yeah, but since the pacakge is in debian....
[08:23] <dholbach> *nod*
[08:24] <dholbach> you could do it the other way around too
[08:25] <dholbach> thanks for doing the work on photography related stuff, hub__ - people will love that
[08:26] <hub__> yeah
[08:26] <hub__> I have to code too
[08:26] <hub__> I have a patch pedning for libexif
[08:26] <hub__> and libopenraw to continue
[08:26] <hub__> (I need that patch)
[08:26] <dholbach> sounds like you hardly sleep :-p
[08:27] <hub__> I have had insomiae lately
[08:27] <dholbach> you will need to give me an autograph at UBZ or something :-p
[08:28] <jsgotangco> will a gpg sig do?
[08:28] <dholbach> that would be a start :)
[08:29] <hub__> I have business cards with that :-)
[08:30] <hub__> \sh: I made mine with gLabels
[08:31] <\sh> but businesscards are not kewl enough anymore...I think I will tatoo my fingerprint and keyid on my bum
[08:31] <\sh> u know..something special ;)
[08:32] <hub__> eh
[08:32] <hub__> ok
[08:32] <hub__> another question
[08:33] <hub__> how to force to put stuff to debian/tmp ?
[08:33] <dholbach> it should be there
[08:33] <dholbach> debian/tmp/packagename
[08:34] <dholbach> binarypackagename that is
[08:35] <hub__> it is in debian/packagename
[08:35] <hub__> perl class in CDBS
[08:35] <dholbach> oh, maybe i'm wrong
[08:36] <hub__> trying to override DEB_DESTDIR in rules
[08:36] <\sh> u have destdir honoring in the makefile?
[08:37] <hub__> \sh: it is a perl module
[08:37] <hub__> \sh: it works fine until I split the perl module from the perl command line tool
[08:37] <\sh> so it should have it..
[08:37] <hub__> that use the module
[08:38] <hub__> everything is put in debian/libimage-exiftool-perl
[08:38] <hub__> and things get copied to debian/exiftool living  debian/libimage-exiftool-perl with them
[08:38] <hub__> so the tool package to not install :-/
[08:39] <\sh> ah...
[08:39] <\sh> so it's not in debian/tmp
[08:39] <hub__> nope :-(
[08:39] <\sh> it's already in the right placew
[08:39] <hub__> well, unless I want to split the package
[08:39] <hub__> perhaps I should just keep all in one, simply
[08:40] <\sh> hub__: it's in universe..why don't u uupdate it?
[08:40] <\sh> oh exiftool
[08:41] <zakame> hello all
[08:41] <jsgotangco> dholbach, ping?
[08:41] <hub__> \sh: libimage-exiftool-perl is not in universe
[08:41] <hub__> \sh: I checked first :-)
[08:41] <dholbach> jsgotangco: pong
[08:41] <jsgotangco> dholbach, meet zakame a friend of mine, debian user as well (very good packager)
[08:42] <dholbach> hi zakame
[08:42] <jsgotangco> dholbach, i'm pimping him to motu
[08:42] <dholbach> ROCK :)
[08:42] <dholbach> zakame: did he persuade you yet? :)
[08:42] <jsgotangco> (im not really MOTU, but im one of the pimps)
[08:45] <hub__> jsgotangco: is that sollicited?
[08:45] <siretart> morning
[08:45] <zakame> dholbach: ei
[08:45] <zakame> sorry, stepped out a bit
[08:46] <Burgundavia> dholbach, did the MOTU's ever get a logo?
[08:46] <siretart> Burgundavia: since londonlaw works with both wxpython2.4 and 2.6, it has an alternative on both packages. it should prefer 2.6 on new installs, though
[08:47] <zakame> dholbach: how does MOTU work?
[08:47] <dholbach> Burgundavia: not yet, unfortunately
[08:47] <dholbach> zakame: i'm on the phone, i'll get back to you, ok?
[08:47] <jsgotangco> i'll make a logo with daniel's photo on it
[08:47] <dholbach> in the mean time the rest of the MOTU crew will give you the tour :)
[08:47] <Burgundavia> siretart, you talking fresh installs of londonlaw?
[08:47] <zakame> dholbach: sure =)
[08:47] <Burgundavia> siretart, I purged londonlaw and all versions of wxwidgets and it still wanted to install 2.4
[08:48] <hub__> gah: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml#id2501583 <-  Install path defaults to '<first_pkg>/usr' where <first_pkg> is the first package in 'debian/control'.
[08:48] <hub__> I can't seems to override that
[08:51] <hub__> I think I get it
[08:51] <hub__> yay
[08:53] <hub__> the override must be done after include
[08:53] <hub__> which is logical
[08:53] <zakame> CDBS!?!
[08:53] <hub__> yes
[08:53] <siretart> Burgundavia: whops. my fault. in alternative dependencies, the preferred must be mentioned first. I overlooked that
[08:54] <hub__> zakame: or dh-make-perl
[08:55] <Burgundavia> siretart, ok
[08:56] <zakame> hub__: or debian-dir :))
[08:56] <siretart> Burgundavia: I just uploaded version ubuntu6, which should fix that
[08:57] <siretart> Burgundavia: before, it took 2.6 only when no other alternative, now it prefers 2.6 if it is installed. and with ubuntu6, it should really install wxpython2.6 by default
[08:57] <hub__> zakame: apparently the policy is CDBS
[08:58] <hub__> uploading
[08:59] <zakame> hmmm
[08:59] <Burgundavia> siretart, hey, isn't debugging fun?
[08:59] <zakame> debian-dir's actually not that far off from cdbs... i remember Manoj saying that cdbs was the inspiration...
[09:02] <siretart> Burgundavia: ;)
[09:19] <ivoks> let's crush those bugs
[09:36] <\sh> the_bughunter: hey..I think your pdf was really good :)
[09:37] <\sh> Current karma: 4, 2 vote(s) 156 hits
[09:43] <hub__> is there a tool to request a debian sync
[09:43] <hub__> for a package
[09:47] <hub__> Burgundavia: nope. but more like a bug tracker or something
[09:47] <jsgotangco> "hey tool, please sync..."
[09:47] <Burgundavia> hub__, you have to ask elmo to sync it for you
[09:47] <hub__> Burgundavia: would be usefull
[09:48] <Burgundavia> hub__, suggest it for LP
[09:48] <hub__> thinking about it
[09:48] <Burgundavia> LP already does everything but take out my garbage..
[09:49] <hub__> and make coffe
[09:51] <hub__> later
[09:51] <hub__> bye
[09:57] <the_bughunter> \sh: thanks :)
[10:22] <the_bughunter> doko: ping
[10:25] <doko> ivoks: pong
[10:25] <ivoks> sec
[10:27] <ivoks> back
[10:27] <ivoks> doko: about j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin... it build-depends on j2re1.4... why?
[10:31] <doko> ivoks: to extract the Recommendations for the libraries
[10:31] <ivoks> ah... ok
[10:32] <ivoks> but it fails to build :/
[10:32] <ivoks> since j2re1.4 installation is interactive :/
[10:32] <doko> yes, you're not looking at the recent version
[10:33] <ivoks> hm...
[10:33] <ivoks> i'm looking at ubuntu4
[10:34] <ivoks> Errors were encountered while processing: /home/buildd/build-breezy/chroot-breezy/var/cache/apt/archives/j2re1.4_1.4.2.02-1ubuntu3_i386.deb
[10:35] <doko> ivoks: sorry, forgot to upload -5, done now.
[10:36] <ivoks> ah, ok
[10:36] <ivoks> np
[11:03] <\sh> can it be that the unmet deps list is getting bigger?
[11:03] <\sh> LC_ALL=C apt-cache -i unmet
[11:09] <fabbione> hi guys
[11:09] <fabbione> anybody alive?
[11:09] <\sh> fabbione: see -devel ;)
[11:09] <Yagisan> nah - we're all dead :-P
[11:10] <fabbione> ok
[11:10] <ivoks> ?
[11:10] <ivoks> what was that?
[11:11] <Yagisan> what ?
[11:13] <ivoks> fabionne
[11:13] <ivoks> fabbione 
[11:14] <\sh> it's ok...
[11:14] <\sh> he asked for a NEW package regarding http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15897
[11:16] <ivoks> nah... i hate this
[11:31] <zyga> hey everyone
[11:37] <slomo> \sh: unmet deps is now down to 92 packages... that's less than before iirc ;)
[11:38] <slomo> and only two are really high priority imho... wesnoth and mozilla
[11:43] <slomo> only mozilla... wesnoth solved itself ;)
[11:45] <\sh> slomo: 110 for me
[11:46] <\sh> 109 now after update
[11:46] <slomo> 88 after my latest update ;)
[11:46] <slomo> LC_ALL=C apt-cache -i unmet | grep ^Package | cut -d' ' -f2 | xargs apt-cache showsrc | grep ^Package | sed 's/Package\://' | sort -u | wc
[11:47] <\sh> do only the first one
[11:47] <\sh> LC_ALL=C apt-cache -i unmet | grep ^Package|wc -l
[11:48] <slomo> 119
[11:48] <slomo> hm
[11:48] <\sh> see
[11:48] <slomo> that's the number of broken binary packages
[11:48] <slomo> nothing interesting imho
[12:14] <xerxas_> hi
[12:15] <xerxas> xchat-systray has dependance on xchat but not on xchat-gnome
[12:15] <xerxas> is this correct ?
[12:16] <ajmitch> possibly not, but I don't know if it works with xchat-gnome :)
[12:17] <ajmitch> btw, hi all
[12:18] <xerxas> ajmitch: seems so
[12:18] <xerxas> but I'm rebuilding the deb right now to test
[12:18] <xerxas> I mean I apt-get sourced xchat-systray
[12:18] <xerxas> now I'm changing the debian/control
[12:19] <xerxas> testing it , and will get back here when it's working
[12:19] <ajmitch> ok
[12:20] <ajmitch> lucky xchat-systray is universe, rather than main like xchat is
[12:20] <xerxas> so ?
[12:21] <xerxas> so motu can upload ?
[12:21] <ajmitch> yes
[12:21] <ajmitch> and main packages can't depend on universe
[12:21] <ajmitch> so you're safe there
[12:21] <xerxas> ajmitch anyway, I can change xchat-gnome to provide xchat , no ?
[12:21] <ajmitch> hmm
[12:21] <ajmitch> you could, but I'd possibly check with seb128 (or dholbach)
[12:22] <xerxas> where is seb128 ?
[12:22] <xerxas> i know him
[12:22] <xerxas> :
[12:22] <xerxas> :)
[12:23] <ajmitch> maybe in #u-devel
[12:24] <xerxas> ajmitch why ask seb128 ?
[12:24] <xerxas> he is a devel so has access to main ?
[12:24] <ajmitch> those 2 are the main gnome team ;)
[12:24] <ajmitch> and he packaged xchat-gnome
[12:25] <xerxas> ok
[12:30] <ajmitch> hm, I guess I've got to stay up another couple of hours
[12:30] <ajmitch> Lathiat: going to turn up to the next MOTU meeting?
[12:31] <Nafallo> ajmitch: there's been another one?
[12:31] <Nafallo> gaah! I'll _have_ to fix my calendar
[12:32] <Nafallo> oh
[12:32] <ajmitch> Nafallo: there's one in 90 minutes
[12:32] <Nafallo> that plugins actually works again
[12:32] <ajmitch> :)
[12:33] <Nafallo> aha. and it will be an hour? :-)
[12:33] <Nafallo> I'll have to go and beg on my bare knees for money today see... :-P
[12:34] <Lathiat> ajmitch: thanks for reminding me :)
[12:35] <Nafallo> where have all my jeans gone?
[12:36] <ajmitch> Nafallo: you don't need jeans if you're going to beg on bare knees
[12:37] <ajmitch> is launchpad still acting crap?
[12:40] <Nafallo> hehe
[12:47] <ajmitch> :)
[12:50] <Nafallo> it's _clearly_ not my day today
[12:51] <ajmitch> yeah, launchpad has had some issues recently
[12:52] <Nafallo> or no... but I should get out of the door :-P
[12:52] <Nafallo> hmm, when will we have our daily xorg? :-)
[01:36] <slomo> shawarma: just tell seb128 to add libmms support to gst-plugins (just read your mail on -devel)
[01:50] <\sh> ok...I will be attending the meeting...those guys left early..
[01:51] <ogra> \sh, did you scare them away ?
[01:51] <ajmitch> \sh: I'm glad you will :)
[01:51] <ajmitch> heh
[01:51] <\sh> ogra: well...I think they're lazy, that's how they looked..and duke explained the shit of NOC work ,-)
[01:54] <sistpoty> hi folks
[01:55] <slomo> hi sistpoty
[01:55] <ajmitch> hi sistpoty
[01:56] <sistpoty> is motumeeting now?
[01:56] <slomo> 4 minutes afaik
[01:56] <\sh> in 4 minutes...stay tuned..need coffee and a smoke
[02:26] <xerxas> how do I generate a gpg key sign ?
[02:27] <markuman> xerxas, a person how have a signed key have to signed your key. search for persons with a signed key in your local area
[02:27] <xerxas> in my local area  ?
[02:27] <markuman> hm ....i mean where you live
[02:27] <markuman> where are you from?
[02:27] <xerxas> france
[02:28] <markuman> do you have a signed gpg key or you want a signed key?
[02:28] <xerxas> I have nothing
[02:28] <xerxas> I probably want a gpg signed key
[02:28] <markuman> if you want one, search for people in france who have a signed key
[02:29] <xerxas> ubuntu people ? or just people ?
[02:29] <lifeless> xerxas: ubuntu or debian or other gpg aware people
[02:29] <markuman> just people
[02:29] <xerxas> k
[02:32] <xerxas> and then ?
[02:32] <xerxas> when I found someone that have a signed key I must ask him to sign my key ?
[02:33] <markuman> gpg --gen-key
[02:33] <markuman> with that you make your own gpgkey
[02:33] <markuman> if you have them! save it/remember the output!!!
[02:34] <markuman> for example this output http://paste.debian.net/2002
[02:35] <markuman> if you have done, contact the person - try to find a person in the same town ;-) or near to you
[02:36] <markuman> oh yes. sry i have not read your question correctly :-/
[02:36] <xerxas> why someone near me ?
[02:36] <xerxas> someone that knows me for real  ?
[02:37] <markuman> yes!
[02:37] <zakame> hello all
[02:37] <xerxas> k
[02:37] <markuman> or if there is no person with a signed key who know you, just contact somebody and ask for gpgkey sign meeting
[02:41] <dholbach> markuman: are you going to meet with mvo?
[02:42] <markuman> yes dholbach, on saturday
[02:42] <dholbach> markuman: his signature will be fine
[02:44] <zakame> is launchpad down?
[02:48] <ogra> zakame, #launchpad
[02:49] <ajmitch> after their meeting :)
[02:49] <zakame> hmmm
[02:55] <Mithrandir> dholbach: can you still reproduce 7916?  I can't.
[02:56] <dholbach> Mithrandir: i can
[02:56] <dholbach> Mithrandir: did you install swh-plugins and reinstall gstreamer*plugins
[02:57] <Mithrandir> Preparing to replace gstreamer0.8-plugins 0.8.11-0ubuntu3 (using .../gstreamer0.8-plugins_0.8.11-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb) ...
[02:57] <Mithrandir> Unpacking replacement gstreamer0.8-plugins ...
[02:57] <Mithrandir> Setting up gstreamer0.8-plugins (0.8.11-0ubuntu3) ...
[02:57] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@golem ~ >
[02:57] <Mithrandir> ii  swh-plugins    0.4.7-1        Steve Harris's LADSPA plugins
[02:57] <dholbach> hrm
[02:57] <dholbach> i tried it 2 days ago
[02:57] <Mithrandir> can you try today?
[02:58] <dholbach> Mithrandir: sure
[02:59] <dholbach> Mithrandir: did you install the whole bunch of plugins?
[02:59] <Mithrandir> dholbach: not now, no.  I don't see why that should be relewant
[02:59] <Mithrandir> relevant, even
[02:59] <Mithrandir> hmm
[02:59] <Mithrandir> now I got it
[02:59] <Mithrandir> theora shows it
[03:00] <dholbach> Mithrandir: instlal just one plugin, the plugins package is a meta package which doesnt have that gst-compprep in postinstall
[03:00] <dholbach> upstream marked it as critical
[03:00] <dholbach> so i hope they come up with a fix soon
[03:05] <xerxas> Help ! How do I become a memeber ? I read some pages , but don't understand everything
[03:05] <xerxas> I should begin be being a member, than I'll eventually become a maintainer or a MOTU or whatever , that's it ?
[03:05] <dholbach> xerxas: yeah, that's it
[03:06] <dholbach> xerxas: just play with the team and it'll all magically happen :)
[03:06] <xerxas> so to become a member, I just need to create a page about me in the wiki ?
[03:07] <dholbach> yeah and you can also start working in any team you'd like to be part of
[03:07] <dholbach> so you can illustrate your activities on your wiki page
[03:08] <xerxas> dholbach:  thanks
[03:08] <dholbach> de rien
[03:08] <xerxas> to create a page in the wiki, I need to register a user ?
[03:08] <dholbach> yeah
[03:08] <xerxas> that will be my ubuntu username ?
[03:08] <xerxas> "de rien" :)
[03:08] <dholbach> but on the plus side, it'll be your account for 1) bugzilla, 2) launchpad, 3) the wiki, ...
[03:09] <dholbach> register once - have fun all the time :)
[03:09] <xerxas> ok
[03:09] <ajmitch> and your ubuntu.com email address once you're a member..
[03:09] <xerxas> si if i created a launchpad account , I already have a wiki account
[03:09] <dholbach> yep
[03:09] <xerxas> ajmitch: already dreaming about it :)
[03:11] <Mithrandir> dholbach: well, make swh-plugins build first, then .
[03:11] <dholbach> Mithrandir: hm?
[03:12] <Mithrandir> dholbach: I can't bloody debug the gst-compprep problem when I can't build swh-plugins.
[03:12] <dholbach> grmbl
[03:12] <dholbach> i tried a new upstream version of swh-plugins, didnt build either
[03:15] <xerxas> launchpad is down
[03:15] <xerxas> sucks
[03:15] <zakame> indeed
[03:16] <markuman> just relax and wait xerxas ;-)
[03:17] <xerxas> markuman:  :)
[03:17] <dholbach> get cracking on bugzilla.ubuntu.com instead :)
[03:18] <zakame> dholbach: what else do I need to know about MOTU? =)
[03:18] <dholbach> you read the MOTU pages on the wiki? asked all your questions already?
[03:19] <dholbach> :)
[03:20] <dholbach> zakame: do you have any questzions?
[03:22] <sistpoty> hm... anyone to look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=620 (the new debian package really *is* a native package... should i fix this?)
[03:22] <zakame> dholbach: I'm a bit unclear about the adoption of packages...
[03:23] <dholbach> zakame: that's because we do everything in team maintenance
[03:23] <dholbach> zakame: but surely respect the areas of experties of other folks
[03:23] <zakame> dholbach: is this basically `grab an adoption, package it and go find a sponsor'? like debian-mentor's RFA/ITA?
[03:24] <zakame> dholbach: ah, I see
[03:24] <dholbach> zakame: if you want to fix a random package in universe, we are all happy to see your fix
[03:24] <dholbach> we're quite happy with that solution
[03:24] <dholbach> so we don't have "uploaders:", NMUs, ...
[03:25] <zakame> dholbach: ah
[03:25] <dholbach> but sure the Maintainer field (if set by ubuntu folks) indicates a point of contact :)
[03:29] <dereks_> anyone here use lighttpd instead of apache?
[03:34] <ajmitch> sleep time, night all
[03:35] <slomo> gn8 ajmitch
[03:36] <siretart> sistpoty: I'd say convert it to non native
[03:36] <siretart> sistpoty: this makes group maintenance easier, the dd will quickly upload a non native version, if he is interested in ubuntu fixes
[03:42] <sistpoty> siretart: sorry, was afk... i'll do that
[03:42] <ogra> siretart, but if he isnt... you'll have to care for it for eternity
[03:43] <sistpoty> ogra: i already did minor changes to the debian package... so we'll have to take care for it during the next merge
[03:44] <ogra> sistpoty, if you want to do that, fine... i just wanted to poit it out :)
[03:44] <sistpoty> hehe, i know... that's why i was asking ;)
[03:51] <zakame> ei, launchpad is back =)
[03:52] <markuman> great
[04:26] <Yagisan> Nalfallo: ping
[04:26] <Yagisan> Nafallo: ping
[04:31] <Nafallo> Yagisan: pong
[04:33] <Yagisan> I'm just trivially backporting the prelink sec fix from breezy
[04:33] <Nafallo> nice :-)
[04:33] <Yagisan> do I need a link to something like this http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/wip/research.html
[04:34] <Yagisan> (my business website work in progress)
[04:34] <Nafallo> Yagisan: rather write a good changelog-entry and link the CAN :-)
[04:35] <Yagisan> there isn't a CAN
[04:35] <Yagisan> I didn't send it in yet
[04:35] <Nafallo> oh, yea. something like that then :-)
[04:36] <Yagisan> no worrys. can you upload to hoary-sec ?
[04:37] <Nafallo> ehm, take it to the mailinglist I mentioned so pitti can have a word on it. most likely he will be the one that uploads it to.
[04:37] <Nafallo> he prefer debdiffs :-)
[04:37] <Yagisan> sure
[04:37] <Yagisan> I'll get on to it after I put the little one to bed then
[04:37] <Nafallo> :-)
[04:44] <sistpoty> re
[05:20] <zakame> should I put into my wiki.ubuntu.com entry about my previous work with debian packages?
[05:21] <siretart> zakame: sure. tell us everything about you
[05:21] <siretart> zakame: the technical board needs to get a picture of you
[05:22] <zakame> siretart: i see... thanks! =)
[05:31] <bddebian> Heya gang
[05:31] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[05:31] <bddebian> Hi sistpoty
[05:37] <zakame> hello
[05:38] <bddebian> Hello zakame
[05:44] <Yagisan> good night all
[05:44] <zakame> good night! =)
[05:46] <bddebian> Heya \sh
[05:47] <\sh> re bddebian
[05:48] <\sh> bddebian: congrats for being admin of tiber ,)
[05:49] <sistpoty> yeah, congrats ;) (\sh did you add him already?)
[05:49] <\sh> no
[05:49] <bddebian> Uhm, I am admin of tiber?
[05:50] <\sh> will do it after dinner
[05:50] <sistpoty> ' \sh: ok, you take care of it ;)
[05:50] <sistpoty> bddebian: yep, we discussed this on motumeeting today ;)
[05:50] <\sh> sistpoty: explain it to barry please
[05:50] <\sh> i have a lamacun in my hand
[05:51] <sistpoty> hehe
[05:51] <bddebian> I missed MOTU meeting????
[05:51] <sistpoty> bddebian: to put it short: since tiber is currently only used for revu, we came up with the idea that it might be useful for other motu tasks as well
[05:52] <bddebian> sistpoty: Cool
[05:52] <bddebian> How did I miss the fscking meeting?? :'-(
[05:52] <dholbach> bddebian: and you're in the admin team :)
[05:52] <\sh> bddebian: today 12UTC
[05:52] <sistpoty> bddebian: we agreed, that there should be a small admin team to handle all the admin stuff..
[05:52] <\sh> all over the world...to cover all timezones
[05:52] <bddebian> \sh: Shit, I missed that part on the Agenda ;-) :-(
[05:53] <bddebian> So I got "volunteered" since I wasn't there? ;-)
[05:53] <sistpoty> bddebian: exactly ;)
[05:53] <\sh> bddebian: ajmitch for .au/asia ,) u for the us and siretart, sistopy, myself for eu ,)
[05:54] <\sh> bddebian: blame me, friend :)
[05:54] <\sh> i said, bddebian can do it as well...and if we don't push him, he will say again: "no, i'm a n00b for that"
[05:55] <sistpoty> yep
[05:55] <sistpoty> <- not a good admin btw. ;)
[05:55] <bddebian> \sh: Heh, touche
[05:55] <\sh> bddebian: and ajmitch said: bddebian has a lot of exp of admin. servers...so
[05:55] <bddebian> :-)
[05:55] <\sh> welcome on board dude :)
[05:55] <bddebian> Remind me to kick ajmitch in the nuts ;-P
[05:56] <sistpoty> hehe
[05:56] <\sh> bddebian: kick me :)
[05:57] <bddebian> \sh: Nah, you're nice to me ;-)
[05:58] <bddebian> Honestly I'm happy to help, I'm just pissed that I missed the meeting.
[05:58] <\sh> bddebian: it's not much to do actually...we only wanted to be sure, that we have backups all over
[05:59] <bddebian> NP
[06:00] <\sh> so let me smoke a cigarette, let me change to my powerful hp...and i'll grab your gpg key..create the accounts and i'll send u an email encrypted.
[06:01] <bddebian> Coolio
[06:01] <bddebian> I think I'll have a smoke too :-)
[06:09] <\sh> ok..chaging computer
[06:14] <\sh> bddebian: i need your gpg id pls :)
[06:19] <bddebian> \sh: 4B394F7E
[06:29] <\sh> bddebian: 0xC098EFA8 is mine...please add my key
[06:29] <\sh> bddebian: mail send
[06:30] <\sh> bddebian: and add a .forward file with your real email address to forward admin mails to you :)
[06:32] <siretart> \sh: bddebian needs root, yes?
[06:32] <\sh> siretart: yeah adding the admin group...moment
[06:32] <bddebian> I still don't even get my @ubuntu.com e-mail :'-(
[06:33] <\sh> siretart: admin group or direct entry in sudoers...how do u like it?
[06:33] <siretart> \sh: admin group, I think thats the 'ubuntu' way ;)
[06:33] <sistpoty> we used admin group so far, iirc
[06:34] <\sh> I see it...done
[06:34] <siretart> bddebian: btw, did you already see this: http://revu.tauware.de/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/wiki/Revu1Building
[06:45] <\sh> re lamont
[06:48] <\sh> brb
[06:50] <dholbach> what happened to all the (HEART) uploads in REVU?
[06:50] <dholbach> did they get uploaded?
[06:50] <bddebian> Suffered a massive heart attack ;-P
[06:51] <siretart> dholbach: Sorry, I don't know
[06:53] <bddebian> siretart: That URL looks great, thanks :-)
[06:58] <\sh> bddebian: did u receive my email ?
[06:59] <bddebian> \sh: Yes thanks but I can't do anything with it here at work :-(
[06:59] <\sh> ok..write down my gpg keyid ;)
[07:01] <bddebian> \sh: OH, I imported that already :-)
[07:02] <\sh> oh ok ;)
[07:02] <\sh> so u can't ssh ;)
[07:03] <bddebian> OH, yeah I can ssh, I just can't decrypt the e-mail from here. :-)
[07:04] <bddebian> Well I guess I could but I'm lazy :-)
[07:07] <\sh> u imported the key, but u can't decrypt? ,-)
[07:08] <\sh> copy the mail text ; gpg -d <<EOF
[07:08] <\sh> paste the mail text
[07:08] <\sh> EOF
[07:08] <\sh> voil
[07:08] <bddebian> I know, that's why I say, I'm lazy ;-P
[07:09] <\sh> bddebian: hehe
[07:11] <bddebian> \sh: OK got it, but what am I logging into? ;-)
[07:16] <\sh> tiber.tauware.de ,-)
[07:16] <\sh> via ssh ,-)
[07:17] <bddebian> Ohh
[07:30] <siretart> revu.tauware.de is CNAME tiber.tauware.de btw
[07:30] <thesaltydog> siretart, Processing of uploads is done every 5 min. So, if your upload doesn't show up, please contact [MAILTO]  siretart@tauware.de or siretart in #ubuntu-motu
[07:31] <thesaltydog> siretart, so I am contacting you...
[07:31] <markuman> someone of you know why there is now a seperate kubuntu forum? or does a user made it?
[07:31] <siretart> thesaltydog: yes, but i'm quite busy right now
[07:31] <\sh> which one?
[07:31] <thesaltydog> siretart, ok. doesn't matter. I have uploaded rubygems. When it is on, I will put a comment..
[07:31] <\sh> markuman: which one?
[07:32] <siretart> thesaltydog: yes, it is in ~ftp/incoming/rejected
[07:32] <thesaltydog> why?
[07:32] <markuman> \sh: kubuntuforums.net
[07:32] <siretart> unknown key: A5663FFA
[07:33] <thesaltydog> it's mine!! I already did other uploads..
[07:33] <siretart> strange
[07:33] <thesaltydog> siretart, this is the first upload to the new site.
[07:33] <\sh> Administrative Contact: Brantley, Zack  zackman@hotpop.com 511 South Elm St. Apt. # 11 Champaign, Illinois 61820 United States (630) 440-7769
[07:33] <siretart> \sh: do you know how to add keys to revu?
[07:34] <\sh> siretart: no
[07:34] <siretart> ah, now I see the page: http://revu.tauware.de/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/wiki/KeyImport
[07:34] <siretart> \sh: could you please try it?
[07:35] <siretart> I want to see if that wiki page is sufficient ;)
[07:35] <\sh> k
[07:36] <\sh> which key?
[07:36] <thesaltydog> A5663FFA
[07:38] <\sh> hmmm...
[07:39] <Treenaks> We need a way to tell n00bs to create swap partitions
[07:39] <Treenaks> you don't want to know how many people who did manual resizing don't make swap partitions
[07:39] <\sh> why doesn't gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-key 0xA5663FFA > bla.key work?
[07:39] <Treenaks> \sh: because gpg --recv-key imports in the local keyring
[07:40] <\sh> grmpf
[07:40] <\sh> its working
[07:42] <siretart> cool. then the page is indeed usable ;)
[07:42] <thesaltydog> siretart, should I have to upload again, or it will go by itself?
[07:42] <siretart> thesaltydog: no need
[07:42] <\sh> moment
[07:43] <thesaltydog> what?
[07:43] <siretart> \sh: if you want to  requeue an upload, just move the .changes file from rejected/ one dir above
[07:43] <\sh> how do i get an ascii file out of the keyring for a special key
[07:43] <\sh> siretart: yepp..
[07:44] <\sh> argl..--armor --export
[07:45] <\sh> grmpf
[07:46] <bddebian> I don't get this, anyone have a clue? :
[07:46] <bddebian>                  from /devel/gnat-gps/gnat-gps-2.1.0/widgets/cschtml/cschtml-embedded.c:25:
[07:46] <bddebian> /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gdk/gdkcolor.h:30:19: error: cairo.h: No such file or directory
[07:46] <bddebian> cairo.h is in /usr/include ??
[07:46] <\sh> siretart: siretart:www-data or www-data:www-data? ,-)
[07:47] <siretart> siretart: well, it's an ssh checkout
[07:47] <siretart> argl
[07:47] <siretart> \sh: well, its an svn checkout, down know how happy svn will be on the next up
[07:47] <siretart> \sh: I should have checked that out as www-data, right..
[07:48] <\sh> siretart: doesn't matter...key added, changes moved...now we wait 5 mins
[07:48] <\sh> and I'm writing a small script to import a key and export it to ascii and add it to revu ,-)
[07:48] <\sh> I'm a lazy bastar
[07:48] <\sh> d
[07:49] <siretart> \sh: that would be very great!
[07:49] <thesaltydog> \sh, still waiting for you for a visit to St.Peter
[07:49] <thesaltydog> \sh, with the "pizza"
[07:50] <\sh> thesaltydog: hehe :) well it will take some time until I have holidays again :)
[07:50] <thesaltydog> \sh, I am very patient, don't worry...
[07:51] <thesaltydog> siretart, it's up!
[07:51] <thesaltydog> thank you, mates, for your kind assistance!
[07:51] <siretart> thesaltydog: thank \sh, he did such maintenance tasks the first time :)
[07:52] <thesaltydog> \sh is a meister!
[07:52] <\sh> siretart: svn url again? svn://revu.tauware.de/trunk/ ?
[07:52] <siretart> URL: file:///srv/svn/revu
[07:53] <siretart> or use svn+ssh
[07:55] <\sh> grmpf
[07:55] <\sh> wrong permissions for the file version
[07:55] <siretart> sorry
[07:55] <siretart> need to go now :(
[07:55] <bddebian> Later siretart
[07:55] <siretart> \sh: add yourself to group revu!
[07:56] <siretart> bye bddebian
[07:56] <\sh> k
[07:56] <siretart> happy revu-build'ign ;)
[07:56] <siretart> ing
[07:56] <bddebian> heh
[07:57] <\sh> svn: Commit failed (details follow):
[07:57] <\sh> svn: Can't create directory '/srv/svn/revu/db/transactions/99-1.txn': Permission denied
[07:57] <\sh> svn: Your commit message was left in a temporary file:
[07:57] <\sh> svn:    '/home/shermann/revu/revu/scripts/svn-commit.tmp'
[07:58] <\sh> siretart: gnarf...permissions: siretart:www-data for the svn db ;)
[07:58] <siretart> \sh: add yourself to group www-data, too ;)
[07:59] <siretart> sorry for the permissions mess. I/we need to rething the groups on tiber
[07:59] <\sh> siretart: yes I see ,-)
[07:59] <\sh> done
[07:59] <\sh> commit
[08:01] <thesaltydog> \sh time to talk about bluetooth?
[08:07] <\sh> thesaltydog: not right now..I'm just jumpstarting my other laptop again for testing the new kernel tomorrow
[08:08] <\sh> at least a new breezy install tomorrow
[08:08] <\sh> and windows installation is crap
[08:08] <thesaltydog> \sh, ok. we will discuss another day.
[08:09] <thesaltydog> \sh, thank you for revu! bye
[08:09] <\sh> thesaltydog: np
[08:40] <ivoks> i just noticed netapplet...
[08:40] <ivoks> um... what does this app lacks when compared to nm-applet?
[08:40] <ivoks> it looks much nicer and easier to use IMHO
[08:41] <ivoks> bye for now :) will be back later...
[08:44] <\sh> hmmm
[08:44] <\sh> should I take an "request to package" bug and package it?
[08:44] <\sh> starting to work for debian as well? ,-)
[08:52] <slomo> \sh: sure... when the package is worth the effort ;)
[08:54] <ogra> \sh, send it to utnubu-devel
[08:56] <\sh> ogra: no I mean, walking the way of a DD ,-)
[08:56] <ogra> heh
[08:57] <ogra> go ahaead :)
[08:57] <dereks_> \sh: how easy is ejabberd and openldap (slapd) integration?
[08:57] <\sh> dereks_: honestly I don't know...I would say easy if you know the ldif format of what ejabberd needs
[08:57] <\sh> dereks_: but for public servers is ldap a pain in da ***
[08:57] <dereks_> heh ok
[08:58] <dereks_> we are considering making an email/im/forum/etc network for my friends and i
[08:58] <dereks_> and want a unified login
[08:58] <\sh> dereks_: but for internal things..integration in a already existing directoy..why not
[08:58] <dereks_> so i figured openldap would be the way to go
[08:59] <\sh> dereks_: oh...:) nice :) then ldap is state of art
[08:59] <dereks_> right.... we are just playing around
[08:59] <dereks_> abusing google
[08:59] <dereks_> *google ads
[08:59] <dereks_> to make a revenue
[08:59] <bddebian> OK damnit, how do I tell this package that cairo.h is in /usr/include/cairo/cairo.h ??
[09:00] <ogra> shout at it ?
[09:00] <slomo> bddebian: -I/usr/include/cairo maybe
[09:04] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[09:05] <ivoks> hey
[09:05] <ivoks> netapplet rulz
[09:09] <zooko> Funny that gcc-2.95-doc and gcc272-docs docs are in universe, but the corresponding compilers aren't...
[09:09] <dholbach> zooko: what are their source packages?
[09:10] <\sh> gcc-2.95
[09:10] <dholbach> then the binary binary packages ftbfs, the arch-independent packages built
[09:10] <\sh> apt-get install gcc-2.95 g++-2.95 works for me
[09:10] <dholbach> "built"
[09:10] <\sh> The following NEW packages will be installed: cpp-2.95 gcc-2.95
[09:11] <dholbach> i guess source is there, packages are there, but they don't build anymore
[09:11] <slomo> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gcc-2.95/2.95.4.ds15-22/
[09:11] <slomo> yes, everything failed
[09:12] <dholbach> they might be useful for some guys
[09:12] <dholbach> so i wouldn't vouch for their removal
[09:12] <dholbach> although it's a bit braindead
[09:12] <dholbach> *bit*
[09:12] <ivoks> BIT :)
[09:13] <zooko> Oh, for some reason my apt-cache search didn't turn out gcc-2.95...
[09:13] <\sh> oh no..no fixing of old redhat-ish stuff
[09:13] <slomo> hmm... they build-depend on themselfes ;)
[09:13] <ivoks> :))
[09:13] <zooko> No, I can't apt-get gcc-2.95.
[09:13] <slomo> should be no problem to compile them with gcc 4.0... someone wants to try? ;)
[09:13] <dholbach> zooko: which architecture are you on?
[09:13] <zooko> x86-64
[09:13] <dholbach> that might be a reason :)
[09:14] <zooko> Ah.  Duh.
[09:14] <zooko> Thanks.
[09:14] <bddebian> grrr gnat-gps is pissing me off
[09:14] <\sh> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe cpp-2.95 1:2.95.4-22 [114kB] 
[09:14] <\sh> Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe gcc-2.95 1:2.95.4-22 [937kB] 
[09:14] <\sh> Fetched 1051kB in 3s (348kB/s)
[09:14] <\sh> (breezy-chroot)shermann@shermann-laptop:~/packages/breezy/clamav$ gcc-2.95 -v
[09:14] <\sh> Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux/2.95.4/specs
[09:14] <slomo> \sh: x86 built at first... but the other architectures failed
[09:14] <\sh> gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease)
[09:14] <ivoks> ok ok
[09:14] <\sh> ??
[09:14] <\sh> I see ghosts?
[09:14] <ivoks> \sh: no, only cache :)
[09:15] <slomo> someone just change the build-depends to the plain gcc stuff (without 2.95) and try to build it... it should need a plain ansi c compiler for bootstrapping
[09:16] <\sh> slomo: trying on ravel
[09:16] <slomo> \sh: thanks :) otherwise i would try tomorrow afternoon
[09:16] <ivoks> ahm...
[09:16] <ivoks> lp and wiki aren't synced
[09:17] <ivoks> i have two diff usernames
[09:17] <\sh> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/
[09:17] <\sh> THE FRIDGE!
[09:17] <\sh> but pssst
[09:18] <ivoks> :)
[09:18] <bddebian> heh
[09:18] <ivoks> who did this?
[09:18] <ivoks> :)
[09:19] <ogra> thats planned since nearly 6 months ;)
[09:23] <ivoks> can we close 2246?
[09:23] <ivoks> since acroread works...
[09:24] <ivoks> and 2297 isn't universe stuff, right?
[09:24] <ivoks> that's main...
[09:24] <dereks_> \sh: how easy is it to virtual host on ejabberd?
[09:24] <dereks_> is it just that one line in the config?
[09:28] <\sh> dereks_: easy :) just a oneliner
[09:35] <dereks_> \sh: so i could make a script to allow people to add their domains to my ejabberd server pretty easily
[09:35] <\sh> dereks_: ?? to add their domains?
[09:36] <\sh> dereks_: the domains ip must show to your server and your server serves...but they have to implement in their dns servers as well special dns entries
[09:36] <dereks_> yeah, so my friends and i make an intranet, and say they own their own domain. i can easily make a script for them to make their own virtual server
[09:37] <Nafallo> \sh: isn't that A-record requirment solved with SRV-records?
[09:37] <\sh> Nafallo: yes..but SRV records are not supported for some really old shiddy dns servers ;)
[09:37] <dereks_> Nafallo: i can easily add the appropriate records to a dns server
[09:38] <Nafallo> dereks_: I just hate to add A-records for domain.name. I rather use host.domain.name :-)
[09:38] <Nafallo> \sh: baah :-P
[09:39] <dereks_> :)
[09:41] <\sh> Nafallo: and it's solved only for those clients who are complying to xmpp 1.0
[09:41] <\sh> psi isn't solved
[09:41] <\sh> gaim i don't know
[09:41] <\sh> gossip isn't solved
[09:41] <dereks_> \sh: but what i am looking to do is possible right?
[09:42] <Nafallo> \sh: who cares about those? I use gajim :-).
[09:42] <\sh> dereks_: well...the problem is only, that for all domains u r creating a new db of users
[09:42] <\sh> dereks_: leave it to one or two domains
[09:42] <\sh> maximum 5
[09:42] <dereks_> \sh: why is that a problem
[09:42] <\sh> dereks_: u don't want to add other domains to your server :)
[09:43] <dereks_> \sh: why, i would obviously approve them all
[09:43] <\sh> dereks_: u have to secure them, if your server shouldn't be hitted by the public
[09:43] <\sh> securing the vhosts is more difficult then to add
[09:43] <\sh> after adding a vhost u have to add quite a lot of stuff
[09:43] <\sh> and...only N admins for all vhosts
[09:43] <\sh> they're not separated
[09:44] <\sh> means: admin@domain1 == admin for all vhosts
[09:45] <_tonio> hi everyone :)
[09:48] <dereks_> \sh: what do you mean secure?
[09:48] <\sh> dereks_: default == everybody can connect and create accounts
[09:49] <dereks_> \sh: true, can't i make admins per vhost?
[09:49] <dereks_> instead of global?
[09:49] <\sh> dereks_: no..not in this version in breezy, and I don't think it's possible as well in the "new new new" version
[09:50] <dereks_> what if i handle all that through ldap?
[09:50] <dereks_> i am clearly looking into all this before I start...
[09:50] <\sh> dereks_: even then :)
[09:51] <dereks_> do any other jabber servers allow admins per vhost instead of global?
[09:52] <\sh> dereks_: hmm..in what way vhosts admin...
[09:52] <\sh> ejabberd configuration via web == not possible per vhost as I explained
[09:52] <\sh> jabberd2 can only have admins per vhost to set MOTDs etc.
[09:52] <\sh> jabberd1 is quite difficult to setup for vhosting at all...so a nono
[09:53] <dereks_> i basically just want the vhost admins to be able to add/remove users
[09:54] <\sh> dereks_: u can set more admins for the whole server...but this is no security or u trust those people, cause they can do whatever they like with the server...even shutting down
[09:54] <dereks_> hmm, but if i regulate it via openldap i should be fine, right?
[09:56] <\sh> dereks_: it doesn't have anything to do with ldap..in ldap only the login credentials are stored, eventually the rosters...but the admin jids are in the config file of ejabberd as I remember
[09:59] <dereks_> \sh: right, so if my ldap directory handles adding and removing of users and allows users to add to their domains, jabberd2 or ejabberd should be able to pick that up
[09:59] <dereks_> right?
[10:02] <\sh> dereks_: I think the domains have to be in the config file as well..
[10:03] <\sh> the ldap is only for the login credentials...actually never played with ejabberd and ldap..*tststs*
[10:03] <\sh> check ejabberd website..there must be an example
[10:03] <dereks_> ok
[10:03] <dereks_> thanks for your help
[10:03] <\sh> dereks_: /join #ubuntu-im :) so we can talk about it there...
[10:06] <dereks_> \sh: i think i need a little more research first.... once i start implementing a test box (not on a network) i will talk to you
[10:06] <dereks_> more
[10:06] <dereks_> about it
[10:07] <dereks_> thanks for letting me pick your brain :)
[10:13] <\sh> dereks_: np
[10:52] <\sh> hmmm...
[11:03] <ajmitch> morning
[11:03] <dsas> morning
[11:03] <dsas> well, evening, here :)
[11:03] <\sh> ajmitch: hey
[11:04] <dsas> as packages are supposed to be source uploads, what happens with python programs? the install script that comes with the program (scribes) compiles the python before moving it to the correct place...would there be any difficulty in packaging this?
[11:05] <\sh> it's bytecode
[11:05] <\sh> right?
[11:06] <\sh> or is it something like python-apt?
[11:06] <dsas> i presume so - it compiles to pyc files
[11:06] <ajmitch> that's fine
[11:06] <\sh> no..no problems....cdbs or dh_python handles this correctly..it's python bytecode...
[11:06] <ajmitch> we've got lots of stuff that does this with distutils
[11:07] <dsas> so I'd just need to package the python source and not need to include the install.py file, and ubuntu buildds would automagically make it work?
[11:07] <shawarma> Er... Is searching b0rken in Malone?
[11:07] <\sh> shawarma: #launchpad to answer this question..what are u searching?
[11:08] <shawarma> Well, anything, really. "vpnc" in this particular case.
[11:08] <\sh> dsas: u have to package the source, means all files nescessary to compile it
[11:08] <dsas> \sh: ok, I think i've got myself a first project then :)
[11:09] <\sh> https://launchpad.net/malone/distros/ubuntu?field.searchtext=vpnc&search=Search&advanced=&status=10&status=20&assignee=all
[11:09] <\sh> -> error...#launchpad
[11:12] <crimsun> oh boy, new vlc in Sid!
[11:12] <crimsun> at least it fixes ppc ftbfs
[11:16] <shackan> crimsun, just wondering, mantaining two "universes" (debian and ubuntu) duplicates a lot of work, I'm _completely_ ignorant, but what's the point in doing so (copying packages from debian to ubuntu and vice-versa ) ?
[11:17] <crimsun> shackan: Debian and Ubuntu are very rarely synced
[11:18] <shackan> and that's a good thing ?
[11:18] <crimsun> shackan: in terms of package states, that is. The ideal situation, of course, is that packages can be just synced from Debian into Ubuntu (as opposed to merged, which is when you'll see the ubuntuX suffix)
[11:19] <crimsun> shackan: well no, it's neither a good thing nor a bad thing; it's just how the development cycles differ. Ubuntu can't necessarily use Debian packages unchanged due to differing build dependencies/names and the like
[11:20] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[11:20] <bddebian> Thanks for volunteering me in absentia ;-P
[11:20] <crimsun> shackan: for instance, I can't just ask for a sync for vlc from Sid because there will be arch-specific fixes (amd64 ftbfs)
[11:22] <shackan> but ubuntu could have gone another way, maybe, like take some debs->package them better->put them back into debian, and we'd have a single, central repo to manage and everyone would be happy, maybe...
[11:24] <\sh> shawarma: utnubu project is for this...and debian is free to take our changes as well ;)
[11:24] <crimsun> shackan: we can't do that for the reason I just outlined. We can't mix pools due to differing dependencies.
[11:25] <crimsun> shackan: for instance, about a year ago Ubuntu transitioned to X.Org. We couldn't have just stuck those packages back into Debian's pool.
[11:25] <shackan> can't this 'differing dependencies' be worked out ?
[11:25] <shackan> ok
[11:26] <\sh> shackan: keybuk and others are working on a "solution to upgrade from sarge to ubuntu"
[11:26] <\sh> shackan: but this is non-critical and not a top prio
[11:27] <shackan> I just want to learn packaging, but first I wanted to know why, when time will allow, I will package my software twice, one for debian AND one for ubuntu
[11:27] <crimsun> no, that's the wrong way to think of it.
[11:27] <crimsun> always package for Debian and make modifications necessary to make it compile and install on Ubuntu.
[11:28] <\sh> shackan: if you inject your package into debian, it finally makes the way into ubuntu..or u inject it into ubuntu first, and the utnubu team of debian will take care about your package in ubuntu
[11:28] <\sh> the latter is the worst way...
[11:28] <\sh> regarding the debian community
[11:29] <shackan> \sh, great, I see you work hard, and you rock, but I don't see the point in those deb<->ubuntu transition yet
[11:29] <shackan> maybe some experience will teach me
[11:30] <\sh> shackan: debian is our "main delivery agent" for packages...so, a plain sync from debian -> ubuntu is cheaper for us
[11:30] <\sh> if something is not fitting in the debian package, like unmet build-deps which are not in ubuntu but in debian, or ubuntu has higher versions of special packages, then we have to touch those packages
[11:31] <shackan> why not put the changes back into debian without forking everything off ?
[11:32] <\sh> thinking of MOTU team, all team members are, well with some exlusions, all volunteers, and the work you have to do for this touching, you have to calculate this into time, and time is expensive
[11:32] <\sh> shackan: all our diffs are public...and debian can get them...many of the patches we're doing are reaching as well debian bts
[11:32] <shackan> I completely understand, but, maybe, this approach will be destructive on the long run...
[11:33] <\sh> shackan: and also debians upstreams directly.
[11:33] <crimsun> shackan: it's only destructive if Ubuntu doesn't cooperate with Debian, which will not happen.
[11:34] <shackan> ok, I tried to mix deb and ubuntu a while ago and messed everything up, maybe(surely) things changed in the last years
[11:34] <ajmitch> shackan: we can't just push changes into debian where we feel like it
[11:34] <crimsun> shackan: that's due to dependency skew, like I've been mentioning
[11:34] <\sh> shackan: problem is, we don't have the time to speak to every debian maintainer, and convince them to take our patches
[11:34] <shackan> I see
[11:34] <bddebian> Bah, gotta head home.  Later gang
[11:34] <ajmitch> shackan: there's > 1000 DDs, and a lot of non-DD maintainers
[11:34] <\sh> shackan: and sometimes those discussions are long.
[11:35] <\sh> cu bddebian
[11:35] <\sh> shackan: so...giving back is one thing, explaining why, is another, and then it's always the package maintainers decision if he takes the changes
[11:36] <ajmitch> but we have the pressure of getting as much stuff working within our own schedules
[11:36] <shackan> crimsun, I'm getting the impression this "dependency skew", whatever it may mean, is a serious flaw in ubuntu
[11:36] <crimsun> shackan: no. it's simply the differing release cycles of Debian vs. Ubuntu.
[11:37] <\sh> shackan: so..being a team of 25-30 ppl (MOTU) and being responsible for a huge amount of packages...it's quite difficult to send everything to debian..it's easier for us and also for them to grab the patches from ubuntu or s/ubuntu/any other debian based distribution/
[11:37] <shackan> ajmitch, yes, I've been here for a couple of months and I've seen the pace at which ubuntu goes, very impressive :)
[11:37] <crimsun> shackan: Would you say that the transition to X.Org in Ubuntu about 8 months ahead of Debian was a flaw?
[11:38] <shackan> uhm, yes, a flaw in debian this time :D
[11:38] <crimsun> There's no possible way to push those packages directly into Debian, since Debian's packages would have been incompatibel.
[11:38] <shackan> ok, I'm starting to get it
[11:38] <crimsun> incompatible, rather
[11:39] <\sh> shackan: did u see sabdfls speak at debconf? he explained the interaction between debian and ubuntu quite understandable...even for non-technical people...:)
[11:39] <ogra> crimsun, nope, thats was fine german :)
[11:39] <crimsun> ogra :)
[11:39] <\sh> hehe
[11:39] <shackan> \sh, sabdfl == Mark the BO$$ ?
[11:39] <\sh> shackan: sabdfl == Mark Shuttleworth yes
[11:40] <shackan> uhm, unfortunately not
[11:40] <\sh> the BO$$ is a favorite singer in the US ;-)
[11:40] <shackan> haha :D
[11:40] <ajmitch> shackan: his talk is online
[11:41] <\sh> http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/64-Marks-Speech-at-DebConf.html
[11:41] <ajmitch> for all of us who couldn't get to debconf :)
[11:41] <\sh> I mirrored the video
[11:41] <shackan> yay, thanks
[11:42] <shackan> ouch, 200 megs, I'm killing your bandwidth :\
[11:42] <shackan> no torrents ?
[11:43] <\sh> shackan: i think I have enough bandwith
[11:43] <shackan> ok :)
[11:45] <shackan> since I'm at it, what does the suffix *ubuntu[1-9]  mean ?
[11:45] <crimsun> those are all Ubuntu-specific changes to Debian packaging
[11:45] <ajmitch> it's when we make changes
[11:46] <ajmitch> so that -1ubuntu1 is still less than -2
[11:47] <\sh> shackan: I made 200GB in 1 1/2  days when I first released this..and my NIC was only half way to 50MB/s
[11:47] <shackan> so you change something and it becomes -ubuntu1, then you change your changes and it's -ubuntu2, then debian make their own changes, and make another version, at that point you eventually take it back from debian and the walzer starts again ?
[11:48] <shackan> wow :D
[11:48] <\sh> shackan: if debian is 1.2.3-1 and we change something then it becomes 1.2.3-1ubuntu1
[11:48] <\sh> another change on ubuntu packages and it becomes -1ubuntu2
[11:48] <\sh> a new package in ubuntu but not in debian is -0ubuntu1
[11:49] <shackan> ok, that's what I said, I'm starting to get your naming convention, thanks
[11:49] <\sh> so if it hits debian somehow, we can sync in debians package without hassles
[11:50] <\sh> so last cigarette for today
[11:50] <shackan> ah, 5m0k3 1s b4D !
[11:52] <Surak> Hello,
[11:52] <shackan> but, you all volunteer or someone gets paid from canonical or something ? I mean, I've seen you at work on #ubuntu-devel, you're 24/7 at work before a release
[11:52] <shackan> kudos to you if it's all 'freiwillig'
[11:53] <crimsun> most of the MOTUs are volunteers
[11:54] <ajmitch> nearly all, in fact
[11:54] <Surak> I did a small package from the conexant module, which was available only to 2.4 kernels. I would like to apply it to ubuntu.
[11:55] <Surak> the conexant hsf modems does not have free drivers to 2.6 kernels. A guy called Rafael Spinola ported it from the last open source version, and I packaged it to ubuntu/debian. What do I do now?
[11:55] <\sh> shackan: we have fun working on OSS in general and ubuntu as a distro
[11:57] <\sh> shackan: and I never saw a bunch of people working so hard and so close as a team then these people here in -motu and in -devel
[11:57] <Surak> the package source, dsc, etc is at http://laa2.unifacs.br/preview/conexant/
[11:57] <Surak> Is there any interest of this? The company I work for sells about 1200 of those modems per month. We are shipping it on computers with 2.4 kernels up to now, because the lack of this module.
[11:58] <Surak> the package builds cleanly with debuild. Haven't tried it yet with pbuilder.
[11:59] <Surak> anyone?
[11:59] <ajmitch> Surak: is it distributable? :)
[11:59] <ajmitch> you said it's from the last open source version, but I can't recall what license that was
[12:00] <Surak> ajmitch: there are three files which I had to grab from the modem's cd. They are the firmware, and are the same that 2.4 kernels used to ship.
[12:01] <ajmitch> ok
[12:02] <ajmitch> *maybe* they can go in multiverse, I don't know
[12:02] <Surak> not kernels, i mean 2.4 kernel module