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shagagood morning all07:12
shagawhy does gnome-terminal sometimes messes the whole screen if you are using another gnome-terminal for example dist-upgrade or by pasting a url into terminal.. only thing what goes messed is ssh connection to this shell and using irssi from here.. I must leaven the 'irssi screen' and come back to get graphics back to work07:14
shagais this known bug or do anyone even know what I'm talking about? :)07:15
shagaThe following packages have been kept back:07:30
shaga  linux-restricted-modules-38607:30
shagalike yesterday(or the day before that) edubuntu-desktop was being kept back07:30
shagaof course I'm forcing ;)07:30
shagaand why always 386-versions of the kernels, why not 686 if I'm using 686 already.. does it matter really? I'm kind of making a log here so don't remember what to check after rebooting07:33
shagadon't forget I meant to say07:33
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JaneWhello08:44
shagahello08:44
shagaI've noticed some bugs today08:44
jsgotangcoshaga, it'll be fixed today08:45
JaneWserious ones?08:45
jsgotangco(linux-restricted-modules)08:45
JaneWerk08:45
shaga"system tray" shows the correct day and date, but once I'm at adjusting it, it shows the wrong day but the correct date08:45
JaneWfabbione is working on that08:45
JaneWshage: right year?08:45
jsgotangcoshould be recompiled so its taking time08:45
shagait tells right year yes08:46
jsgotangcoshaga, works fine with me08:47
shagaand date-command gives proper date and year, day the week08:47
shagabut day of the week is just saturday while configuring it via gui08:47
shagaand it doesn't remember europe/finland(or was it helsinki), after I reboot.. it's europe/marienham08:48
JaneWcan I remove COlin Applegate from the contact list on the wiki? I haven;t heard from or of him since the summit in early July....08:48
jsgotangcowhat the heck happened to that kid08:49
shagaand is a 'messed up texts' while ssh-connected to shell and running irssi through screen?08:51
JaneWjsgotangco: shrug, maybe he was too inebriated to leave London and is still on the streets there....?08:52
shagait happens if you copy&paste url or use apt-get in a different gnome-terminal. this has been around since hoary for me. for each computer I use and it doesn't matter if use transparance or not. I just have to deattach/+attach to get graphics back okay08:52
JaneWjsgotangco: so I am removing him...08:52
jsgotangcoi dont see that word everyday hehe08:53
shagaJaneW: do you need screenshot about messed up grahics or bugged 'time and date settings'? time for a coffee break for me anyway, brb08:53
JaneW:)08:53
jsgotangco"inebriated"08:53
jsgotangcoheh08:53
jsgotangcoyou dont say that word in real life08:54
jsgotangcojust in text...08:54
JaneWok next Q, can someone give me the final and official answer re: "With the Edubuntu 5.10 release, I've noticed that there is no DHCP server on install, so that the user had to enter an IP address, which most people on a DHCP server have *no* idea how to do.  Is the final release of Edubuntu 5.10 going to fix this? " so I can respond to the many enquiries...08:54
JaneWjsgotangco: I use the word fairly often...08:55
JaneWjsgotangco: but maybe I am just weird08:55
jsgotangcono dhcp server...08:55
jsgotangcothere is one...08:55
jsgotangcothe workstation option doesn't need a dhcp server...08:55
JaneWjsgotangco: I think it's for the server install08:57
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JaneWhmmm, did I miss anything...?10:51
Burgundavianope10:52
shagayou were away for just a one minute :D10:54
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JaneWgood10:59
BurgundaviaJaneW, why -Non-commericial licenses are bad --> http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/9/11/16331/065511:07
magnonBurgundavia: anything else new? :P11:13
Burgundaviamagnon, not really11:14
shagacan you name any goods nes-emulators for ubuntu/edubuntu/debian?11:21
shagaI need to make animated gif about megaman(he is without a helmet in megaman2, and his hair is waving)11:22
jsgotangcozsnes??11:23
shagaoh, trying it now, thanks..11:24
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shagadist-upgrade didn't work very well for starters now11:32
shagaUnpacking replacement xinit ...11:32
shagaErrors were encountered while processing:11:32
shaga /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.07_all.deb11:32
shagaE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)11:32
shagaof course apt-get -f install helps but just wanted to tell11:33
shagadidn't help even11:33
ograshaga, the dist-upgrade error was fixed 10min ago ;)11:34
ograthese errors are all inherited from ubuntu, i cant do much about it11:35
shagaokay :)11:35
shaga# dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.07_all.deb11:36
shaga;)11:36
ograuuh... --force-all is evil....11:37
ograrather take --force-overwrite thats a bit less evil11:37
shagaI'll try it next time ;)11:38
shagajsgotangco: just downloaded zsnes and then thought about, it's snes-emulator as the name says. I'm looking for 8bit nes emulator..11:55
shagabut I think it's not hard to find via google11:56
shaga# apt-cache search fceu11:57
shagafceu - FCE Ultra - a nintendo (8-bit) emulator11:57
shaganice one ;)11:57
shagactrl+c while running it gives this text into console "How DARE you interrupt me!" :)12:06
ogracould someone check if http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu is accessible? 12:08
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shagait is, at least via browser12:10
ograok12:10
ograthanks...12:10
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shagahttp://sha.rikos.org/megaman/megaman.gif 12:36
shaganow it's ready :)12:36
shagagimp rocks12:36
JaneWlol, that's funny12:49
magnonbrown it, and it'd fit with the usplash :>12:50
shaga:)12:50
shagawould be so easy to brown it12:50
magnonI get the megaman type gaming feeling of the usplash12:50
shaga:p12:51
shagawould it be easy to add it into usplash by myself?12:53
jsgotangcogotta goo01:12
jsgotangcoget some beer01:12
jsgotangcohehe01:12
shagaI'm getting as well today01:15
shagamy tradition has been always to drink beer while installing linux distros.. it's too boring otherwise to wait and configure. with ubuntu it's not anymore required because it goes so smooth and sounds work immediatly etc.. :)01:17
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YagisanG'day ogra. Worked out what the issue was with installing edubuntu in vmware02:34
ograYAY02:34
Yagisanknown ubuntu kernel issue with "buslogic" scsi module02:34
Yagisanreinstalling now with ide only02:35
ograwe had another post at edubuntu-devel today where someone couldnt install in vmware, did you see it ? 02:35
Yagisannice pretty boot up.02:35
Yagisanno02:35
shagaI saw it02:36
YagisanI'm not on edubuntu-devel02:36
Yagisansolution would most likely be - no scis disks when creating virtual machine02:36
Yagisans/scis/scsi02:36
JaneWok next Q, can someone give me the final and official answer re: "With the Edubuntu 5.10 release, I've noticed that there is no DHCP server on install, so that the user had to enter an IP address, which most people on a DHCP server have *no* idea how to do.  Is the final release of Edubuntu 5.10 going to fix this? " so I can respond to the many enquiries...02:41
ografor a ltsp server a fixed ip is needed02:42
ograso you need to supply one at installation02:42
ograand a dhcp server is installed by default, else the ltsp server wouldnt work at all02:42
ograJaneW, if you tell such people to file bugs in bugzilla, i can answer them there :)02:43
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shagaperhaps adding an another installation-option to cdboot-menu?02:43
magnonogra: if you don't configure an external one to do, but you wouldn't know how to if you just had a "router" or something :P02:44
ograthere is a workstation option02:44
shagathat's what I used02:44
ogramagnon, if you have an external dhcp server this should be bound to a second interface...  the ltsp setup should be on a separate network ...02:45
ogramagnon, if you want to mix up with the existing dhcp server you will know what a IP address is and how to tweak the different servers02:46
magnonexactly02:46
ograour target is the person who doesnt know that and installs a standalone ltsp environment... additionally its a base for your customization...02:47
ogra... if you know about these tweaks02:48
magnonI just said if :)02:50
ogra:)02:51
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Yagisanhmm, ebubuntu doesn't like vmware virtual pcnet32 network interface02:54
Yagisanloads module, but doesn't map eth002:54
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Yagisan /etc/network/interfaces is missing eth0 from the auto line02:58
Yagisanwell edubuntu is installed in vmware. time to update and see what I can break03:03
ogra*g*03:03
Yagisan*cough* *cough* 306MB download *mumble*03:06
ogradid you install from the preview iso ? 03:07
ograthere were kernel and xorg updates ;)03:07
magnontesting breezy and related stuff efficiently requires a fat pipe03:08
ograyup03:08
magnonnot very fair, but that's life :P03:08
magnonpoor satphone devs03:09
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ograyup03:12
Yagisanthe most annoying thing is *we all know that it is artificially limited by telstra* :(03:13
shagado you know is there way to disable this 'Irssi: Doing this is not a good idea. Add -YES option to command if you really mean it'?03:19
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Yagisanme uses gaim (I got sick of different clients for different networks)03:23
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Zaheerhi all03:40
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highvoltagechanged my mind when I saw Zaheer here :)03:41
highvoltageHe Zaheer.03:41
ograheh03:41
Zaheerhi :D03:42
Zaheeri've got a problem with edubuntu and i was wondering if this is the right place to ask?03:42
ograyup03:42
Zaheerfor help that is ;)03:42
Yagisanfire away03:42
highvoltageZaheer: yes, fire away!03:42
Zaheeri've tried to install it using vmware workstation 5 but it keeps crashing on the first reboot after its installed.03:43
Yagisanheh03:43
Yagisanspeak of the devil03:43
Yagisandon't install on scsi disks03:43
Zaheerwhy is it bad?03:43
Yagisanuse ide03:43
Zaheeroooohhhh :D03:43
ograZaheer, Yagisan had similar probs :)03:44
Yagisanknown kernel problem03:44
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ograYagisan, is there a bug about it ? 03:44
highvoltageZaheer: How's married life, btw ;)03:44
Yagisanjbailey said it was known and being fixed03:44
Zaheerhey how do you know that!03:44
ograoh, ok03:44
highvoltageZaheer: I know who you are.03:44
Zaheeri figured03:44
Zaheershouldv'e used my alias rather... ;)03:45
highvoltageokay, really got to go now. Zaheer, ogra and Yagisan, have a good weekend!03:45
Yagisanmarried ? how long ?03:45
ograciao highvoltage 03:45
highvoltageYagisan: i think it's 3 weeks or so now, righ Zaheer ?03:45
Zaheer3 weeks..yes03:45
highvoltageciao ogra 03:45
Zaheerwho are you!03:45
Yagisanses ya highvoltage03:45
Yagisancongrats Zaheer03:46
Zaheerthanks :D03:46
YagisanI've been married about 3 years now03:46
ograZaheer, he's the secret guy in the background *g*03:46
ograZaheer, highvoltage == Jonathan Carter ;)03:46
Zaheeroh ok03:47
Zaheerhe's with slug !03:47
ograand with edubuntu...03:47
ograadn tuxlabs... and whatever else :)03:47
Zaheeri see so... im trying to get involved with linux as much as i can, im pretty new to everything but i keen on learning.03:48
Zaheerso i thort i'd give edubuntu a try and maybe lend a hand.03:48
Yagisanslug ? Sydney Linux Users Group ??03:48
Zaheerno, the schools linux user group in south africa.03:48
Zaheertux lubs.03:49
Yagisanheh - blame google03:49
ZaheerLOL03:49
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Zaheergoing out for abit be back soon, still wanna try the ide install.03:50
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TaloasGood Morning03:55
TaloasOk, Edubuntu, is it a network driven environent based on something like group policies?03:58
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ograTaloas, its linux :) its a multiuser environment ;) ubuntu offers some group policies and profile which we inherit 04:00
Taloasi've got  a TINY bit of linux hands on, a gentoo box, some live cd's and a small file box (nasty old xandros) 04:01
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Zaheerquestion how do i change the disk type in vmware from scsi to ide?04:03
ograZaheer, thats something Yagisan can answe i bet ... 04:04
Zaheerhes gone tho...04:04
ograhe'll be back soo...04:04
ograsoon04:04
Zaheerits ok i found out how to change it :)04:05
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ograah, great :)04:05
Zaheeri had to choose a custom install.04:05
Yagisanyep04:05
Zaheeri was confused for a moment :D04:06
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Yagisannext issue you will have04:06
Yagisanis that on boot it won't activate eth004:06
ograYagisan, it always depends how much you put it :) 04:06
ogras/put it/put in04:07
Yagisan /etc/network/interfaces is missing eth0 from the auto line04:07
Yagisanjust add it with sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces then restart netwrking and it'll be ok04:07
Zaheeryes i know about that but i thort it was only fedora/rh specific ...04:07
ograYagisan, is that with the default install or the workstation version ? 04:08
Yagisandefault04:08
Yagisanfrom the torrent04:08
ograhmm04:08
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ogra:)04:08
Yagisanogra: Did it tell you my work in progress business website address ?04:09
Yagisans/it/I04:09
ogranope04:10
Yagisanhttp://www.eyagiconsulting.com04:10
Yagisannot finished and it currently redirects to my isp free pages04:10
Yagisanbut the security flaw is listed there in research04:10
Yagisanbreezy was fixed long ago - but not hoary04:11
Yagisanwe have a problem04:12
ogradid you ping pitti about it ? 04:14
Yagisanhttp://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/edubuntu-vmware.png04:15
Yagisanpitti is doing the upload for me04:15
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ograbut on your way ;)04:15
ograyup, known bug from today...04:15
YagisanI help in my way04:16
Yagisanoh ?04:16
ogrause --force-overwrite with dpkg manually or wait for the next xorg upload04:16
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ograthen just wait04:16
ograthe error is known...04:17
Yagisanheh I'm 2 for 2 now04:17
JaneWogra: do you have the answer to silbs' question re the wiki merging?04:19
JaneWogra: i.e. is anyone working on a fix and/or does anyone even know how to fix it?04:20
ograi saw the mail, ther was a question ? 04:20
ograoh, did see the mail yet04:20
ograi think thats hno79 land ...04:21
ogras/did/didnt04:21
JaneWhmmm, he is still on leave04:22
JaneWand is sure to have a full mail box on his return...04:22
ograyup04:23
ograbut i have no insight at all how the wiki merge is done...04:23
Zaheerjust another question why cant i use scsi drives?04:33
ograask vmware ? 04:34
Zaheeroh ok so its not a gnu/linux thing04:34
ograno idea, i dont even have vmware, but they are normally out of sync with very new kernels...04:35
YagisanZaheer - It's a driver bug04:35
ograso it might be either one04:35
Yagisanbuslogic driver has an error04:35
Zaheeroh ok :) i like to know why.04:35
Yagisan00:24:22) jbailey: Yagisan: Cool thanks.  The new kernel should apparently fix it.04:35
Yagisanvmware must had changed something in the buslogic emulation04:36
Yagisanit should be good to go with edubuntu final04:36
shagawhos drinking with me? :)04:37
Zaheerwell im installing the preview first, so i'll see how that goes first. if it works then cool04:37
ograZaheer, follow the notes pointed out in the topic...04:38
YagisanI'm giving it a test run too. I want to move my business to a thin client system - and this looks like a good way to test04:38
ograbut i guess you wont run the final installation in vmware ;)04:39
Yagisannope04:39
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Zaheerhey i like this bronze logo looks really cool :)04:42
ograwill also be in the bootsplash soon..04:42
magnonogra: there will be an edubuntu usplash?04:43
ograits already there, just not compiled in... it will depend on jbailey to add the feture for different splash screens04:44
magnonogra: you know of any law-savvy canonicals who might be able to sacrifice a few minutes for me, btw?04:46
ogramagnon, hmm, i'm not sure we have any lawyer... 04:48
ogra(i dont think so)04:48
magnonjust someone more interested in law than usual, anyway04:49
ograelmo does the license checking stuff, but thats all04:49
magnonok04:49
ograis it about contracting stuff ?04:50
magnonit's about copyright assignment04:50
ograhmm, then elmo could probably help, but he's *very* busy and hard to catch currently04:51
magnonok04:51
magnonthanks anyway04:52
magnonI'll try to ask in a non-intrusive and efficient way :P04:52
Zaheeryawl enjoy the weekend :D im out. bye bye05:04
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Yagisanheh - simple solution to x-org problem - don't update x-org-common05:04
ograheh05:04
Yagisanogra: you do this all yourself ?05:06
ograyup05:06
ograi hope that'll change for dapper05:06
Yagisancool05:06
Yagisannow that edubuntu is finally installed and up to date, I can now configure it05:09
ogra:)05:10
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Yagisanhow do I update the ltsp environment ?05:33
ograchroot into it...05:34
ograoh, and check that there is a usable sources.list05:34
ograthe current default is the CD ... 05:34
Yagisanthanks ogra05:35
Yagisanstill no way to run "local apps" ?05:35
ograhighvoltage did it in a odd way, he installed the whole desktop in the chroot.. 05:36
ograthat works indeed05:36
Yagisanwell I'm about to start the first clients05:37
YagisanI'd only want to run one or two apps locally05:38
ograthats not possible currently without a lot of fiddling05:39
YagisanI was thinking distcc on the clients05:39
Yagisanit would be nice to harness their unused processing power05:40
ograah, i thought a gui app or something05:41
ograindeed you can do such things05:41
Yagisanexcellent05:42
YagisanI used to use openmosix with 2.4.x05:42
Yagisanbut they haven't released patches against 2.6.x (only cvs)05:43
Yagisanthat was good for clustered load ballancing05:43
ograi'll have to add such features for dapper :)05:44
YagisanI'll try to help05:44
ograyay :)05:44
Yagisanthings *I* need are like distcc, john, rainbowcrack05:44
Yagisanthat I can split up and pass to the clients05:45
ograi'm also thinking about some autonice stuff ...05:45
Yagisanoccasionally mencoder when I buy Kate (my daughter) a new dvd05:45
Yagisanthe is an openmosix based live cd distro05:46
Yagisanit has automatically configured full mesh ipsec05:46
Yagisanperhaps we could "borrow" it05:46
Yagisanfor dapper05:46
Yagisanone of my competitors is hosting it05:47
Yagisan:(05:49
ograwhy :( ?05:49
Yagisanclient stops at TFTP.05:49
YagisanI must has missed something05:50
ograit doesnt boot ? 05:50
ograor does it hang after booting ? 05:50
Yagisanthe TFTP dots are slowly increasing05:50
Yagisanbut no boot05:51
ograhmm, looks like your tftp server isnt running then05:51
ogracheck /etc/inetd.conf05:51
Yagisanit's enabled and running05:53
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Yagisanyep pebkac - trying to send a non-existant kernel06:00
Yagisanit's not in /ltsp06:01
Yagisanbecause there is no /ltsp06:01
ograaehm...06:02
ograbut you installed correctly and didnt use the workstation version ? 06:02
Yagisanyep06:02
ogra(no installation erors ?=)06:02
Yagisannone that I could see (it didn't have net access though)06:03
YagisanI specify a full /var/lib/tftp etc path06:03
ograwhere ?`06:03
YagisanI was about to do that in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf06:05
Yagisannope - that was a bad idea06:07
Yagisanthat gave a file not found message from pxeboot06:07
Yagisanmust have been very slow at transferring06:07
Yagisanetherboot instructions ? I'll try a real client06:08
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Yagisanfixed it. mumble muble f*cking mtu issues fragmenting tftp packets06:57
Yagisanexcellent the new etherboot images from rom-o-matic can be configured to emulate pxe06:59
YagisanI'll finish testing tommorrow07:02
Yagisannight all07:02
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yvesCAccepted gcompris 7.0.2-1 (source all i386)11:18
yvesC(debian)11:18
ograyvesC, i didnt get approval for an upgrade11:20
ogra:/11:20
yvesCtake 6.5.3. 11:21
yvesCDon't put a broken gcompris, please. administration is broken in your cvs dated.11:21
ograyup, i know, i'll have to fix it, but i'm not yet sure how11:22
yvesCLook the changelog between your date and the release date. The admin databse has changed place, changed column name.11:23
ograan option would be to create a patch with the delta between the cvs i have now and 7.0 (in fact that'd be an upgrade but wouldnt show up in the version number)11:24
yvesCEven if you can make it run, the db will not be compliant with following releases; All the administration stuff will have to be supressed and redo.11:24
yvesCA patch with 7.0, yes i can do that.11:24
ograi have no prob with the admin stuff being supressed for now... we have a 6 month release cycle so 7.0 is quite near...11:25
yvesCGCompris cvs without admin, you cannot suppress activities 11:26
ograhmm, ok11:26
yvesCin 653, there was gcompris-edit. We replaced it by the new admin module, sqlite based11:26
ograso the two opportiunities are to fix 653 or to secretly update to 7.0 but not tell anyone11:27
yvesCYes11:27
yvesC653 was not compiling ?11:27
ogranot with gcc4 and the libc version we have in breezy11:27
ograand since the current version is half way 7.0 upgrading silently through a patch would be the best i guess... 11:28
yvesCYep11:28
ograi'll go with that then :)11:29
yvesCThanks11:30
ograi think i'll have time beginning next wek to care for it, would you take a look at itafterwards ? 11:30
yvesCYes, if it's possible11:30
ograsure :)11:30
ograthanks a lot...11:31
ogranext time i'll coordinate beter with you, promised ;)11:31
yvesCwe are in #gcompris, or you got my mail in my bugreport11:31
ograbetter even11:31
ograyup, got the bugreport... all edubuntu related bugs are assigned to me anyway, edubuntu is a one man show :)11:32
ogra(hope that changes for the next release)11:32
yvesCThanks, Debian package is almost correct now, dependancies seems correctly fixed. We have worked with it's maintener.11:32
ogragreat11:33
yvesCImportant change was between 7.0.1-1 and 7.0.1-211:34
ograok11:34
ograi'll grab 7.0.1-2 then and produce a dpatch from it 11:35
yvesCedubuntu is a one man show... Great job!11:51
bdoincongratulation.11:52
ograheh, thanks :)11:52
bdoinwe are waiting for a great educational distrib for many years. hope this time it's the good one.11:53
ograits very basic for the first release, currently i'm only building the base for future releases, its comparable to k12ltsp but not yet with skolelinux...11:54
ograi.e. target for ths release is a singel classroom, next release is a school and in two releases we'll target the municipality11:55
bdoinis there some colaboration between you and skolelinux ?11:56
ograsure11:56
bdoingreat.11:56
ograpere_gone is one of the (or *the*) skole core developer11:57
ograwe (JaneW, mark shuttleworth and me) visited a skole summit and they came to ours...11:57
ograwe keep an eye on each other and i hope i can produce a base for them in the future11:58
ograbut since they are rather targeting the enterprise market there is still a way to go for edubuntu11:59
bdoinok, I see12:00
ograits still our first release, we are targeting the low hanging fruits with it and will grow over time... but with a 6 month release cycle the growth is quite fast ;)12:01
bdoincorrect. is there some organisation ready to use edubuntu at this stage12:02
ograsure, tuxlabs in south africa already uses it... we have some companys in south america and norway that are interested 12:04

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