[12:08] <Riddell> hmm, amu's live CD is broken and I can't work out why
[12:29] <Riddell> hunger: the latest abakus wasn't packaged, speedcrunch was, that's why I went with speedcrunch
[12:54] <apokryphos> Riddell: Hi, I've done what I can, but I don't know how to generate/write/create the control entries for the new applications. Any hints?
[12:56] <Riddell> apokryphos: emacs debian/control
[12:56] <Riddell> copy and paste and adapt existing ones
[12:57] <apokryphos> heh, ok
[12:57] <_tonio> Riddell: little question about universe branch of ubutu, is it getting closed when ubuntu is released ?
[12:57] <apokryphos> Riddell: and, how does it know what files to look in for the .install stuff? Is that handled from the control too?
[12:57] <_tonio> because I can see a hudge packages waiting for revuing and breezy is so close.....
[12:58] <_tonio> apokryphos ?
[12:58] <Riddell> _tonio: yes, universe is frozen on release
[12:58] <Riddell> apokryphos: give the .install file the same name as the package name in the control file
[12:58] <_tonio> arf..... sounds like so many packages will not be uploaded isn't it ?
[12:59] <Riddell> _tonio: whany in particular you want to see?
[12:59] <_tonio> apokryphos: sorry your nick sound very close from a friend of mine and I've done the confusion ;)
[12:59] <apokryphos> no problem =)
[01:00] <apokryphos> thanks Riddell; I'll try now
[01:00] <_tonio> Riddell:  no not especially, I was just wondering ;)
[01:01] <_tonio> I hope I haven't spend all that time packaging for nothing ^^
[01:02] <_tonio> Riddell: but to answer you I really think wlassistant is a must have or breezy ;) that app rocks ;)
[01:04] <Riddell> wlassistant is on my todo for tomorrow then :)
[01:05] <_tonio> you're gonna package it ? or revuing my one ?
[01:05] <_tonio> sorry stupid question
[01:05] <_tonio> damn I have difficulties to read, still lacking sleep.....
[01:06] <Riddell> _tonio: reviewing
[01:06] <_tonio> k
[01:06] <_tonio> ;)
[01:09] <_tonio> going to sleep bye all !!
[01:09] <apokryphos> 'night tonio|away
[01:09] <tonio|away> ;) tou too
[01:09] <tonio|away> you too
[02:24] <apokryphos> Riddell: .so files are generally what exactly?
[02:25] <apokryphos> writing description for libkvoctraincore (which contains all those)
[04:25] <apokryphos> Nevermind that; I'm getting an arch-error now; weird, since I have a 32-bit athlon, and all things in control look a.o.k.
[04:25] <apokryphos> Will call it a night
[09:43] <verwilst> hi Riddell 
[09:43] <verwilst> anything to compile for me?
[11:06] <Riddell> guy made a splash for the kdm theme http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29410
[11:08] <Tonio-> hi
[11:11] <\sh> Riddell: looks ugly with thos funny icons 
[11:21] <verwilst> yip, ugly idd :$
[11:21] <verwilst> what about moodin'? ;)
[11:22] <\sh> Riddell: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29426
[11:57] <Tonio-> Riddell: another one ;) http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29410
[11:58] <Tonio-> done by the guy that did the kdm theme you included, with the same color sheme :)
[11:59] <Riddell> Tonio-: I pointed that one 2 minutes before you came online :)
[12:00] <Tonio-> ah oki ;) this guy is doing great job ;)
[12:01] <Tonio-> Riddell: I tested and his kdmtheme + splash + wallpaper alltogether gives a very nice aspect, very homogen (don't know if that's correct english)
[12:07] <Riddell> MoodinKDE look nice but it's too late for a new package like that in main
[12:39] <Tonio-> Riddell: just posted the whishes for Adept as we discussed...
[12:39] <Riddell> cool
[12:39] <Tonio-> little question, hasn't Adept an icon for the moment ??? because if not my brother is graphist, I might ask him ;)
[12:40] <Riddell> Tonio-: it has no icon, all submitions very welcome
[12:43] <Tonio-> Riddell: okay, what kind of format is required ? svg, png bmp ? what size too ? I will send an email to my brother, but I don't know what is required to build an icon set ;)
[12:47] <Riddell> Tonio-: SVG, (and PNG sizes 16 to 128)
[12:48] <Riddell> it should fit in with the crystal theme
[12:48] <Riddell> and should convey "package manager" somehow
[12:49] <Tonio-> "convey" -> means ?
[12:51] <Riddell> give the message of
[01:03] <Tonio-> okay, well something oriented in the way synaptic and kynaptic icons are ;)
[01:03] <Tonio-> the mail is sent to my brother, that myght interessted him, I will let you know ;)
[01:03] <Tonio-> might
[01:04] <Riddell> cool
[01:04] <Tonio-> he his thinking o trying linux so i could be his first contribution, he cannot refuse lol
[01:05] <Tonio-> involving graphists to linux is hard, really ;)
[01:05] <Riddell> tell me about it
[01:05] <Tonio-> I will for sure ;)
[01:06] <Tonio-> and about the splashscreen you pointed two minutes before I came, will you include it finally ?
[01:06] <Riddell> I need to test it out but it's the mostly likely candidate
[01:07] <Riddell> the current splash screen isn't that great
[01:07] <Tonio-> ok ;)
[01:07] <Tonio-> well the concept is nice, kubuntu appearing letter by letter is okay, but well, colors are (for my eyes) badly choosen ;)
[01:09] <Riddell> it's the colours used by kde 3.5
[01:11] <apokryphos> I think the current splash is better than the other one (even if it would maintain a bit of consistency); those icons do look.. bad
[01:11] <Tonio-> Riddell: ah ok didn't knew ;)
[01:17] <apokryphos> Riddell: so, any idea why I'd be getting be getting a binary-arch error 2?
[01:31] <Riddell> apokryphos: what's one of those?
[01:31] <Riddell> ah, make error
[01:31] <apokryphos> yeah
[01:31] <Riddell> well you need to see the error message above
[01:32] <apokryphos> I do?
[01:35] <Riddell> apokryphos: what's the error that causes make to error?
[01:35] <apokryphos> as I recall, it was that one, but I'll re-get it
[01:45] <apokryphos> # make[1] : Leaving directory `/root/kdeedu/kdeedu-3.4.91'
[01:45] <apokryphos> make: *** [binary-arch]  Error 2
[01:45] <apokryphos> debuild: fatal error at line 765
[01:45] <apokryphos> Riddell: seems to be first n' only error
[01:45] <Riddell> there must be an error above that
[01:45] <Riddell> what's above that?
[01:46] <apokryphos> a lodda text -- if there is an error, my konsole doesn't scroll that high
[01:46] <apokryphos> one sec, I'll pastebin
[01:47] <apokryphos> http://pastebin.com/371861
[01:48] <Riddell> apokryphos: that's a makefile, not a compile output
[01:49] <apokryphos> Riddell: that's output from debuild -nc
[01:49] <apokryphos> I tried making kdeedu, it went for about half an hour (evidently past that point, that is), just fine
[01:49] <apokryphos> problem must be with some setting I did, perhaps
[01:50] <Riddell> why is it outputting a makefile
[01:51] <Riddell> that's crazy
[01:51] <apokryphos> I think so too :)
[01:51] <apokryphos> if worst comes to worst, and I can't compile it again for <insert obscure reason> I figure I can just send you the debian/ folder, since it has pretty much all the needed changes
[01:52] <Riddell> yes, it'll need to wait until I'm done with koffice is all
[01:52] <Riddell> which could take a while
[01:53] <apokryphos> shall I put it up available for you now, or try anything else?
[01:53] <apokryphos> can't believe this nonsense happening just when I'm coming to the end of the road :/
[01:54] <Riddell> you could try a fresh build
[01:56] <apokryphos> does that involve me putting the debian/ into a freshly extracted kdeedu-3.4.91, or just a debuild?
[01:58] <Riddell> just a debuild
[02:03] <\sh> Riddell: btw...did u get an answer from mdz (amarok-1.3.2?)
[02:03] <Riddell> \sh: don't think so
[02:45] <\sh> Riddell: think about icpf integration ;)
[02:45] <Riddell> \sh: what's that?
[02:45] <\sh> http://ipcf.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[02:46] <\sh> #
[02:46] <\sh> Better Desktop of Presence Management/Connection Management for IM/Mail etc. (see [WWW]  IPCF - Inter-Personal Communication Framework)
[02:46] <\sh>     *
[02:46] <\sh>       Thinking of ShtoomVoIP Breezy Goal, dotUbuntu etc. we should work on this project to have a transparent framework for the (K)Ubuntu Desktop. Together with a Launchpad Integration for User Authentication and some newly created community services like Mail/Jabber/SIP we could have a highly integrated desktop.
[02:46] <\sh> that's my BoF proposal for UBZ ,-)
[02:47] <Riddell> \sh: slap it on the list then
[02:47] <\sh> 6
[02:47] <\sh> k
[02:53] <apokryphos> Riddell: after long time...same error :/
[02:53] <apokryphos> and still producing that dang Makefile
[02:54] <Riddell> and sending it to stdout?
[02:55] <apokryphos> I presume so; exactly the same as before
[02:56] <Riddell> crazy
[02:56] <Riddell> debuild -S and give me a URL to the .diff, .dsc and .orig, I'll try and take a look
[02:56] <apokryphos> ok, thank you :)
[03:12] <apokryphos> gah, finally found the gpg issue (doing chroot /var/somechroot) apparently doesn't look in /root/ as ~ despite you being root
[03:12] <apokryphos> uploading now, anyhow; though, no diff generated from the debuild -S?
[03:24] <Riddell> debuild -S should make a .diff.gz file
[03:24] <Riddell> unless the .orig is named wrongly and it can't find it
[03:25] <apokryphos> orig.tar.gz; seems fine
[03:26] <Riddell> apokryphos: what's the .orig full file name?
[03:27] <apokryphos> I have to head out literally now, so if those two aren't enough, then I'll have to try to do it later
[03:27] <apokryphos> kdeedu-3.4.91.orig.tar.gz
[03:27] <apokryphos> http://www.giannaros.org/kde3.5/breezy/kdeedu/
[03:27] <apokryphos> sorry about this; I'll get back to it when I can
[03:47] <verwilst> kdeedu_3.4.91 ;)
[06:38] <apokryphos> Riddell: sorry about that; back now
[08:03] <\sh> phew
[08:04] <\sh> Riddell: please have a look on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUIM/DesktopIntegrationSIPIM so u know what'll come up in the future ;)
[08:44] <\sh> Riddell: I have the feeling that changing the songs in amarok takes longer in 1.3.x then in 1.2.x
[08:55] <Riddell> \sh: how do you mean?
[08:55] <Riddell> that's no crossfade
[08:56] <\sh> Riddell: if you click with your mouse on another song it takes more time (seconds) then before in 1.2.x
[08:57] <Riddell> \sh: click (select) or double click (play)?
[08:57] <\sh> when it's playing already, 
[08:57] <JRe> \sh: may be it's because there is now a fading with xine
[08:58] <\sh> JRe: running gstreamer alsaink
[08:58] <\sh> no fading
[08:58] <JRe> \sh: ha ok
[08:59] <\sh> or my laptop is fck up
[08:59] <\sh> will see it later...when I reboot
[09:41] <\sh> 3 secs to change a song with gstreamer alsa
[09:46] <Tm_T> \sh_away: hmm, alsasink is buggy atleast
[10:19] <lamont> Riddell: ICE ^^^
[10:20] <Tm_T> =)
[10:31] <lamont> Riddell: knetworkconf, ditto.
[10:32] <Riddell> lamont: fairly expected, I'm doing an uplo
[10:32] <Riddell> upload of kdebase probably tomorrow
[10:32] <lamont> kewlness
[10:36] <lamont> Riddell: a list of log files containing the string 'internal compiler' will shortly be available at build.mmjgroup.com/~buildd/kde-errors.txt
[10:36] <lamont> (once the find| grep finishes..)
[10:37] <lamont> done
[10:37] <lamont> only 7 logs
[10:37] <lamont> (that's libk* and k*, nothing else)
[10:38] <lamont> kdebase, kdebindings, kdegraphics, kdelibs, kdenetwork, kdepim, kdenetworkconf
[10:38] <lamont> where at least one of those is fixed now. :)
[10:51] <Riddell> "Unknown host build.mmjgroup.com"
[11:15] <_tonio> Riddell: my brother is gonna see to make a little icon set for adept this week end ;) You wanted to be aware, you are !
[11:22] <Riddell> cool
[11:23] <apokryphos> Riddell: anything I should do for the moment? You think it would be best to just leave the debian/ up somewhere?
[11:26] <apokryphos> damn, I hate being a hassle :)
[11:30] <Riddell> apokryphos: start another module?
[11:30] <apokryphos> Riddell: would you really want me doing that :P
[11:31] <apokryphos> probably not a good idea
[11:32] <apokryphos> so far: one thing I packaged and seemed ok was borked (bad dependencies), second thing I tried failed miserably, and last one I tried... didn't really work
[11:33] <apokryphos> I guess I could try to organise the debian/ (one thing I can apparently do)
[11:53] <lamont> Riddell: buildd.mmjgroup.com, sorry
[11:53] <lamont> Riddell: buildd.mmjgroup.com/buildLogs looks alot like p.u.c/~lamont/buildLogs, but only for hppa/sparc
[11:54] <_tonio> 'hite all
[11:54] <_tonio> 'nite