[12:31] <mm13> i feel extremely stupid asking this.... but I added the URLs to the source list and everything... I just don't know what to type now... apt-get install ________ ?  I typed in KDE and just downloaded 3.4 again........ *sighs and waits for the ridicule*
[12:32] <Phily> mm13: u have to type first apt-get update (to update new added sources)
[12:32] <mm13> yea yea, did that too
[12:32] <jsubl2> which urls the one for the kde update for hoary
[12:32] <mm13> should apt-get install kde install the beta?... sorry i dont know anything
[12:32] <mm13> yea the hoary ones
[12:32] <jsubl2> apt-get upgrade
[12:32] <jsubl2> no ridicule
[12:32] <Phily> mm13: to search for packages you can type apt-cache search @keyword@
[12:33] <mm13> awesome
[12:33] <mm13> thanks a ton guys :)
[12:33] <jsubl2> np
[12:36] <osh> or get aptitude. aptitude search @keyword@, aptitude update, aptitude dist-upgrade, aptitude install @keyword@. No need to remember when to use apt-get, apt-cache and all those. 
[12:37] <osh> how unstable is "unstable" (breezy) in ubuntu? more or less than debian?
[12:38] <Riddell> osh: currently fairly stable
[12:38] <Riddell> generally it's more unstable than debian unstable but we're getting close to release so it's quite usable
[12:38] <osh> Riddell: but that changes after breezy is released?
[12:38] <Riddell> osh: after breezy is released breezy will be very stable
[12:39] <osh> Riddell: =)
[12:40] <aseigo> don't listen to the man. it'll have the properties of jello! ;)
[12:40] <aseigo> j/k
[12:40] <aseigo> Riddell: 4 more kubuntu based boxes heading out into the field!
[12:40] <aseigo> Riddell: that co i've been advising just sold 4 more of them
[12:40] <Riddell> aseigo: they're selling kubuntu boxes?
[12:40] <aseigo> Riddell: with a couple dozen more lined up waiting for the go ahead
[12:41] <aseigo> Riddell: yes. as server solutions, but the GUI is critical to the market they are addressing
[12:41] <Riddell> aseigo: do you know who's buying them?
[12:41] <Riddell> do they advertise this on their website?
[12:41] <aseigo> Riddell: in fact, a multi-billion dollar energy company here in calgary may be rolling them out across their op (36 locations in north america and australia) for file and print
[12:42] <aseigo> Riddell: yes, i know who is buying them =) this last set of sales was to a small oilfield company (2) and to a wireless ISP (2)
[12:42] <aseigo> Riddell: and no, it's not on their website yet. they are redoing their web presence currently and the new site will detail this information
[12:43] <Riddell> very exciting :)
[12:43] <aseigo> Riddell: so how's that for crazy, huh? =)
[12:43] <aseigo> and with them selling these boxes out there (and snagging the support contracts on the back end) it's giving me the ability to hook people up here in town with linux jobs
[12:43] <apokryphos> excellent news =)
[12:43] <aseigo> so, virtuous cycle all around
[12:44] <aseigo> they are also starting to push kolab2. they have been using it for the last several months and finally have it working acceptably on outlook (ergo my recent blog about outlook ;)
[12:45] <aseigo> so hopefully we'll see some kolab+kubuntu boxes
[12:45] <aseigo> that energy co, though ... the head IT guy is very linux savvy but the satellite offices are not
[12:45] <aseigo> so the biggest selling points for him was the GUI and support
[12:45] <apokryphos> Kolab is bootiful
[12:45] <aseigo> w/out the GUI tools, it doesn't do it for him.
[12:46] <Tm_T> hm
[12:46] <aseigo> and without the support of a local company backed by a larger global community, it doesn't do it for him
[12:46] <apokryphos> it's getting even better now with the kde-guidance etc 
[12:46] <aseigo> Tm_T: always a good pastime
[12:46] <Tm_T> yeah, trying to get dockers use reasonable fontsize
[12:47] <Tm_T> almost there
[12:51] <Tm_T> next job is to modify Kopete contactlist a bit
[12:51] <Tm_T> aseigo: is KDE4 cd-player vacant still open?
[12:52] <aseigo> Tm_T: max howell said he was going to start working on it. so if you have ideas, i'd touch base with him first at least
[12:52] <aseigo> Tm_T: what are you doingn to kopete's contact list?
[12:53] <Tm_T> aseigo: that "details" mode... maybe adding some details
[12:53] <Tm_T> because I can't see any
[12:54] <Tm_T> good practice I think
[12:54] <apokryphos> I wonder if there's a reason for why rubberband just isn't as good; can't make sense of it
[01:02] <aseigo> osh: lol
[01:03] <apokryphos> osh: I sure hope all your sentences began, and ended with the word "sir" when you were conversing ;-)
[01:04] <Tm_T> osh: well done ;)
[01:04] <osh> I might not be fast, but I get there eventually... ;-)
[01:05] <Riddell> osh: who's that then?
[01:05] <Tm_T> osh: you take it carefully :)
[01:06] <Riddell> apokryphos: anyone who uses a title infront of my name will be routinely smacked with a copy of Quaker Faith and Practice :)
[01:06] <osh> Riddell: Some dude who apparently wrote something on some obscure webpage somewhere. 
[01:06] <Tm_T> Riddell: understood, sir
[01:06] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[01:06] <aseigo> Riddell: hahaha.. oh c'mon. you'd get used to it after a while ;)
[01:07] <aseigo> Riddell: ug. http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104
[01:07] <apokryphos> Riddell: routinely? Come on now, that's going too far
[01:07] <aseigo> Riddell: i luvs the odd bugs
[01:10] <apokryphos> I wonder, is there any reason why moving windows leaves a type of "trail" when done semi-quickly
[01:11] <ctw> is anybody here running the new KDE 3.5 beta1 with the breezy preview version?
[01:11] <apokryphos> my brother's gentoo (and suse, now) never seems ot do that at all
[01:11] <apokryphos> ctw: a few, yes
[01:11] <osh> apokryphos: bad gfx-drivers? I had that before rewriting my xorg-file.
[01:11] <apokryphos> I gave my rant preview earlier :P
[01:12] <jrattner1> How come no matter whaT i DO I cant get my clock to stay to the right time in KDE
[01:12] <apokryphos> I've heard complaints about that in #ubuntu ; X itself has been a lot more problematic this time round, suffice it to say
[01:12] <apokryphos> jrattner1: what happens?
[01:12] <Riddell> aseigo: don't think I've heard of that before
[01:12] <aseigo> Riddell: me neither. but i'm running w/2 trash applets as per his description now *sigh*
[01:13] <jrattner1> apokryphos, it resets to 24 hour time
[01:13] <jrattner1> right now it says its 23:30 and its 6:30
[01:13] <jrattner1> its 7:13 I mean
[01:13] <apokryphos> jrattner1: aseigo is your man :)
[01:13] <jrattner1> haha
[01:14] <aseigo> jrattner1: sounds like the TZ is off. does it reset everytime you boot?
[01:14] <jrattner1> aseigo, I believe so
[01:14] <ctw> I just wonder how stable KDE 3.5 beta1 is with the breezy preview ... I'm considering installing it, but if it crashes a lot or causes a lot problems with the update to the final breezy version, I'd rather not mess with it
[01:14] <jrattner1> aseigo, what should i Do
[01:14] <Riddell> ctw: works fine for me
[01:15] <jrattner1> aseigo, im in the system adminstration (Date & Time) part in KDE control panel
[01:15] <aseigo> jrattner1: save the TZ to the "system clock" ...
[01:15] <apokryphos> ctw: still on breezy preview? dist-upgrade yourself, man! A superfluity of changes (far more stable)
[01:15] <ctw> thanks Riddell!
[01:15] <ctw> apokryphos, I run daily updates ...
[01:15] <jrattner1> aseigo, how do i do that?
[01:15] <apokryphos> ctw: so you're not on breezy preview :)
[01:16] <chavo> apokryphos, we were warned not to upgrade for a while
[01:16] <aseigo> apokryphos: interesting use of the word, then.
[01:16] <ctw> apokryphos, I didn't realize the semantics ... :)
[01:16] <aseigo> "way more changes than needed"
[01:16] <chavo> I upgraded the day after the preview, but not since then
[01:17] <apokryphos> aseigo: not as extravagant as brobdingnagian (yes, I did have to verify the spelling :P), but it works
[01:17] <apokryphos> ctw: no worries :)
[01:17] <apokryphos> aseigo: no, that's one usage; it can mean an abundance, plainly (seen it used in literature like that several times :)
[01:17] <aseigo> jrattner1: man date
[01:18] <aseigo> apokryphos: hm. dict:sperfluity
[01:18] <aseigo> er, superfluity
[01:18] <jrattner1> aseigo, how can i force my KDE clock out of 24 hour format
[01:18] <chavo> superflyity?
[01:18] <aseigo> jrattner1: in the Country & Region control panel you can set the time format
[01:19] <ctw> does anyone know when the final version of KDE 3.5 will come out?
[01:19] <aseigo> ctw: no.
[01:19] <apokryphos> aseigo: wow, it seems to stress superfluous; I never use it as that at all :)
[01:19] <aseigo> ctw: soonish though
[01:19] <apokryphos> Maybe I should stick to plethora
[01:19] <aseigo> apokryphos: yeah. the root is "superfluous", so that's not surprising =)
[01:19] <aseigo> plethora is a good word
[01:20] <aseigo> plurality
[01:20] <apokryphos> yup, that too
[01:20] <apokryphos> "a plurality should not be asserted without necessity"
[01:20] <apokryphos> (one formation of it, anyway)
[01:20] <jrattner1> aseigo, should I have the set date and time automatically under Date and Time Module?
[01:21] <aseigo> jrattner1: it's a nice feature if your clock tends to drift and you are usually on the 'net, yes
[01:21] <chavo> my clock is running fast also
[01:21] <jrattner1> sounds good
[01:22] <jrattner1> aseigo, i dont see any dialog for 24 hour format
[01:22] <apokryphos> aseigo: worst is that the majority of "bigger" words I generally always know, but am completely unaware of their pronounciation (or think I do know, until I hear it)
[01:22] <apokryphos> *not* pronounced eeeqii-vocal
[01:23] <apokryphos> Hm, kvirc does not like semi-colons in /commands. Another shellism
[01:23] <Tm_T> =)
[01:24] <jrattner1> aseigo, ?
[01:25] <chavo> jrattner1, look at the Time & Dates tab of Date & TIme format module
[01:26] <chavo> look at the line that says -> Time format:
[01:26] <jrattner1> chavo, which format do i want?
[01:26] <jrattner1> for 12 hour
[01:26] <chavo> change the HH to either pH or PH
[01:26] <jrattner1> chavo, thank you
[01:26] <chavo> upper case P will put the 0 in front
[01:27] <chavo> you have to restart kicker for it to take effect
[01:27] <chavo> dcop kicker kicker restart, should do it
[01:28] <jrattner1> My clock applet still shows 24 hour time chavo 
[01:28] <chavo> jrattner1, did you restart kicker?
[01:30] <jrattner1> chavo, yes but While in Country/Region and Language the box at the bottom reports my time as 11:29 pm
[01:30] <jrattner1> and its 7:30
[01:30] <chavo> jrattner1, you have a problem with your system clock
[01:31] <chavo> do this -> sudo /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh  start
[01:31] <jrattner1> chavo, ok
[01:32] <jrattner1> now what
[01:32] <chavo> did that fix your clock
[01:32] <jrattner1> nope says 19:32
[01:33] <chavo> you may have to kill kicker or log out and back in for it to take effect then.
[01:33] <chavo> try running -> killlall kicker
[01:33] <chavo> it should restart on it's own
[01:34] <jrattner1> sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Sep 22 23:31:49 2005
[01:34] <jrattner1> now my menu bar is missing too
[01:34] <jrattner1> haha it worked
[01:34] <jrattner1> yes
[01:34] <jrattner1> thankyou chavo
[01:35] <chavo> no problem :)
[01:37] <Tm_T> :)
[01:50] <laszlok> anyone tried KDE 3.5 beta1?
[01:50] <jsubl2> just installed restarting
[01:53] <apokryphos> laszlok: yup; several here
[01:54] <laszlok> plastik looks different
[01:56] <laszlok> but theres still the problem of kubuntu automatically opening konqeror windows of newly instered media
[01:56] <laszlok> KDE 3.5 has a new dialog for when media is inserted
[01:56] <laszlok> but kubuntu opens a window with the media anyway
[01:58] <laszlok> does anyone know if that a hal or udev setting that opens the window?
[02:15] <Riddell> laszlok: it's ivman  /etc/ivman/
[02:17] <apokryphos> laszlok: I have that problem too; little annoying, definitely.
[02:20] <chavo> hmmm, don't have that problem here, but I'm not using kubuntu packages
[02:21] <StR> hi all
[02:21] <StR> anyone here with breazy?
[02:21] <StR> breezy?
[02:24] <StR> hello?
[02:27] <|maddox|> i do
[02:27] <apokryphos> hi; quite a few, yes.
[02:27] <StR> and how is it? is it working fine?
[02:27] <apokryphos> Pretty stable now
[02:27] <StR> with  kde 3.4.x? or with 3.5bx?
[02:27] <|maddox|> everything is fine until now :)
[02:27] <apokryphos> both
[02:28] <apokryphos> 3.5 only has base libs toys and utils in atm
[02:28] <StR> can I see your /etc/apt/sources.lst?
[02:28] <|maddox|> 3.4.2 here
[02:28] <apokryphos> !upgrade2breezy
[02:28] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[02:29] <apokryphos> ubotu: kde3.5 is at http://kubuntu.org/kde-35beta1.php
[02:29] <ubotu> apokryphos: okay
[02:30] <apokryphos> StR: it's all in those links, but anyway.. http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2444
[02:31] <StR> so.. there is no need for backports right now, right?
[02:31] <apokryphos> what would be backported exactly? :)
[02:31] <apokryphos> (it's not yet released)
[02:32] <nalioth> StR: wait until after breezy is finished, and the developers will find something to backport for you
[02:33] <StR> nalioth: thanks...
[02:34] <StR> breezy comes with this usplash  new package, right?
[02:35] <nalioth> StR: yes
[02:36] <|maddox|> yep but i changed the resolution in grub and it doesn show up
[02:36] <StR> so... i beter remove my splashy package?
[02:36] <StR> I thought it was like the splashy package...
[02:36] <nalioth> StR: i am not sure
[02:37] <StR> I get this error when I try to do a apt-get update
[02:37] <StR> W: GPG error: http://kubuntu.org breezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[02:39] <StR> Need to get 850MB.... nice..  :D
[02:39] <apokryphos> StR: you didn't check the link ubotu linked to, did you? ;-)
[02:40] <apokryphos> StR: new package, yes (buntu-desktop should bring it in, I think)
[02:40] <StR> apokryphos: yes, there is nothing about any key...
[02:40] <apokryphos> StR: go to the kubuntu article, ctrl+f -> key =)
[02:41] <nalioth> StR: open a terminal and type 'wget http://kubuntu.org/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg && sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg'
[02:44] <StR> are there any kubuntu breezy ISOs?
[02:44] <apokryphos> yes, but not with 3.5
[02:44] <nalioth> StR: beta images here cdimage.ubuntu.com
[02:45] <StR> thanks nalioth 
[02:54] <Phily> hello all
[02:55] <StR> Hi Phily 
[02:57] <Phily> StR: I<ve been banned from xchat how to get unbanned
[02:57] <Tm_T> ok
[02:57] <StR> from where?
[02:57] <StR>   #xchat?
[02:57] <Tm_T> =)
[02:58] <Phily> #xchat yesterday
[02:58] <Phily> From some power freak
[02:58] <Tm_T> Phily: well, if someone remember to unban you...
[02:58] <StR> and what did you do to get banned?
[02:59] <Phily> StR: Well English is not my first language and was tyoing fast so he made comments about run-on sentences spelling
[02:59] <Phily> So I told him (t0ad) that if he wanted to be so critical of my rnglish to go to #englisIanal
[03:00] <StR> LOL!
[03:00] <StR> Phily: and what is your native lang?
[03:01] <Phily> French
[03:01] <StR> mine is spanish
[03:01] <Tm_T> ...
[03:01] <StR> Phily:  and that's the nick you where using?
[03:02] <Phily> (Phily)
[03:02] <Phily> who do i contact to get unbanned
[03:03] <StR> Phily: i
[03:03] <StR> I'm asking now
[03:03] <Phily> StR: tk
[03:03] <nalioth> Phily: /msg chanserv access #xchat list
[03:04] <StR> t0ad or b0ad?
[03:04] <StR>  /msg chanserv access #xchat list
[03:04] <nalioth> StR: type that
[03:06] <woddf2> I can't find Dvorak on the list of Keyboard layouts!
[03:06] <StR> woddf2: dvorak rulez!!!
[03:06] <StR> woddf2: dou you type with dvorak?
[03:07] <woddf2> Well, I want to learn it. I converted an old QWERTY and am using that one.
[03:07] <Phily> StR: dvorak is nice but when moving to a computer with qwerty man the head hurts
[03:08] <StR> well, to finish mastering dvorak is 1 of my TODOs
[03:08] <StR> Phily: well.. b0ad said that he doesn't want to remove the ban
[03:08] <Phily> StR: What a nice guy
[03:08] <StR> lol....
[03:09] <StR> and why do you care abou it?  is x-chat... it's a gnome app..
[03:09] <Phily> StR: x-chat is not gnome it can be buit with a gnome front end
[03:09] <nalioth> Phily: why be WM-centric? use irssi
[03:10] <Phily> nalioth: I<ll try it out
[03:10] <Tm_T> irssi <3
[03:10] <Tm_T> and there's  Konversation too
[03:10] <Tm_T> or Kopete :p
[03:10] <woddf2> I'm using Konversation!
[03:10] <Tm_T> but, irssi is teh client
[03:11] <Phily> Tm_T: I like noversation but once you try xchat with all the plugins and simple layout you<ll find it great
[03:12] <StR> woddf2: right...
[03:12] <Tm_T> Phily: I've tested it multiple times
[03:12] <Tm_T> Phily: 1) gui? who needs gui anyway 2) ugly as hell 3) nothing special really
[03:12] <nalioth> irssi + gnu screen allows you so much freedome
[03:12] <nalioth> and freedom, too
[03:12] <Tm_T> nalioth: amen
[03:13] <Phily> nalioth: I can<t find irssi in th reposatory on plugins for 
[03:13] <Tm_T> plugins =)
[03:13] <Phily> nalioth: ok I found it
[03:13] <nalioth> it's not a plugin
[03:14] <Tm_T> anyway, maybe I'll install bitlbee too, so I don't have to use any gui apps to contact my friends ;)
[03:15] <Phily> Nakkel: what is gnu screen
[03:15] <nalioth> you can pay a small amount per month for a shell account, and run irssi + screen and never have your avatar leave the network again
[03:15] <Phily> nalioth: I<m not irc proficient 
[03:15] <nalioth> Phily: i assume you were talking to me http://jmcpherson.org/screen.html and http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2004/07/06/unix_gems.html
[03:19] <Tm_T> nalioth: why pay for it?
[03:19] <Lars_G> Better? ;)
[03:19] <apokryphos> :P
[03:19] <Lars_G> Pay for what?
[03:20] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Do you have power over Seve here?
[03:20] <apokryphos> Lars_G: here is good for kde-related-questions at least; most others are often best in #ubuntu
[03:20] <Lars_G> k
[03:20] <Tm_T> nalioth: insanity to pay for shell account
[03:20] <apokryphos> Lars_G: he doesn't enter here, but our status is the same in #ubuntu 8)
[03:21] <Lars_G> Tm_T: Are there good free shell accounts out there? legal?
[03:21] <Lars_G> Ahh nice
[03:21] <sophie_> nalioth: This is Phily I'm in irss
[03:21] <sophie_> nalioth: looks like a lot like bitchx
[03:21] <apokryphos> well, actually, I don't entirely understand the access levels, so we could be slightly different
[03:21] <nalioth> sophie_: it's a lot more user friendly than bitchX
[03:21] <Tm_T> Lars_G: yeah, your/friends/schools/communitys pc with internet connection and linux
[03:22] <apokryphos> I know each 10 normally means something; not sure if i.e. 29 is different to 20 though, really.
[03:22] <Lars_G> Tm_T: I don't give shell to my friends.
[03:22] <nalioth> Tm_T: my friends dont have the uptime i require
[03:22] <Tm_T> nalioth: heh
[03:22] <nalioth> Tm_T: and i'm long out of school
[03:23] <Phily> nalioth: Well I would give out shell accounts if i was not restricted by total bandwith
[03:24] <nalioth> Phily: cool. 
[03:25] <nalioth> so in my case, paying for a shell is the only option (if i wanted to be on all the time)
[03:25] <Phily> nalioth: are you on dial up
[03:26] <nalioth> Phily: nope
[03:26] <Phily> nalioth: why not keep your computer alive than
[03:26] <nalioth> Phily: hmmm
[03:26] <nalioth> Phily: atm hurricane Rita is comin right at me
[03:27] <Lars_G> where are you?
[03:28] <Phily> nalioth: Get out of there
[03:28] <Lars_G> my closest relative (cousin and wife) is on houston
[03:29] <Lars_G> Phily: It all depends
[03:29] <Lars_G> my cousin choose to stay
[03:30] <nalioth> i'm gonna find somewhere to go
[03:30] <Phily> nalioth: Using a shell account you ssh in their and can leave process running even if ou logout^
[03:33] <god-zero> nalioth: that tornado missed me last night by about 4 blocks. Town's a mess.
[03:36] <Phily> What happened to nalioth did he loose his connection
[03:38] <Phily> testing
[03:39] <god-zero> fema said they'd help.. but *a little* busy right now
[03:39] <Phily> nalioth: Do u have lots of famiily in florida
[03:41] <Phily> fema?
[03:41] <aseigo> federal emergency something agency
[03:42] <aseigo> american gov agency that in theory takes care of the shit side of disasters
[03:44] <kairu0> any japanese keyboard users? i cant type any latin characters with my japanese keyboard (even on the login screen)
[03:46] <nalioth> Phily: no family in florida
[03:47] <nalioth> federal emergency management agency
[03:48] <N17R0> Hi what up with those weird characters shown in aterm when using for example the man pages ?
[03:49] <N17R0> weird aterm characters: http://members.lycos.nl/opslag0004/snapshot8.png
[03:49] <N17R0> how can I fix these behavior ?
[03:50] <god-zero> ? try a different font
[03:50] <god-zero> it's not rendering ' and -
[03:50] <N17R0> yeah
[03:52] <N17R0> uhm can I change the font only for aterm ?
[03:55] <aseigo> http://students.washington.edu/sibsen/images/post-images/StupidTattoos/Tattoo2.jpg
[03:57] <god-zero> look in /home/yournamehere/.Xdefaults for a font entry
[03:58] <N17R0> lol there is no .Xdefaults in my home dir :'(
[03:59] <aseigo> ah shit, that was the wrong tab now wasn't it
[03:59] <N17R0> lmao
[04:01] <Tm_T> aseigo: no it wasn't
[04:02] <aseigo> oh well. close enough.
[04:02] <god-zero> ni7r0: make one using this info: http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Linux_Colors_in_Aterm/rxvt
[04:02] <N17R0> ok ty
[04:06] <god-zero> n17r0: obviously, only worry about the font lines
[04:06] <N17R0> ok that is step 1 correct ?
[04:07] <N17R0> or method 1
[04:08] <god-zero> just make a .Xdefaults file with the font info, play with the font setting to taste
[04:12] <N17R0> hmm my fonts are now smaller, but the weird characters are still there
[04:25] <Rhisc> hey
[04:33] <penguinboy> hey hey
[04:34] <penguinboy> anyone here
[04:34] <god-zero> hrm..
[04:35] <god-zero> I think everyone's asleep again
[04:39] <Philyco> nalioth: I'm back shelled into my linux box using irss and screen
[04:40] <Philyco> nalioth: screen is great exect for the list window short cut wich is a pain on french keyboard
[04:40] <sproingie> cool.  a dist-upgrade frees 25 megs of space
[04:40] <sproingie> that's a refreshing change
[04:41] <nalioth> Philyco: je ne parle pas la keyboard francais
[04:41] <Philyco> sproingie: r u woried about 25 megs on todays hard drive
[04:41] <Philyco> nalioth: lol
[04:41] <Philyco> nalioth: now i need to learn to use irss
[04:41] <sproingie> Philyco: naw, but it's nice to see a base distribution actually shrink
[04:41] <nalioth> Philyco: in the ~/.irssi/config you can set the keys you want to use
[04:42] <Philyco> nalioth: i was pretty sure there would be a config file but have not looked at it yet
[04:43] <Philyco> nalioth: now i need to configure irss with my color scheme 
[04:43] <nalioth> Philyco: irssi is only limited by your scripting knowledge
[04:43] <Philyco> nalioth: well i do perl and python plugin for that like xhat
[04:44] <jmg> radiiix
[04:44] <jmg> radiiix
[04:44] <jmg> ignore that...
[04:44] <nalioth> Philyco: www.irssi.org has many good documents on irssi use
[04:45] <Philyco> nalioth: using screen window numebr start at 0 its a pain to reach with my fingers can i make it start at 1?
[04:46] <jmg> god-zero: turrets
[04:46] <Philyco> nalioth: crtl-a 1 instead of crt-a 0
[04:46] <nalioth> Philyco: yes, you can move all the keybindings (but my 0 opens window 10)
[04:48] <humbolt> anybody any idea why my pptp connection build up just fine, but no ping goes through?
[04:53] <Philyco> nalioth: what theme do you us for irss
[04:53] <nalioth> Philyco: the default
[04:54] <Philyco> Lots of people are using irss
[04:57] <Philyco> nalioth: The shell is the way to go on linux the more I learn I find it is faster to use the shell that overbloated UI
[04:57] <sproingie> that's why it's nice to have a shell frame in konq
[04:58] <sproingie> best of both.  sort of.  it's no CLIM.
[04:58] <Philyco> Now if only my digicam would work with kde: double click on icon desktop would work my wife would use linux(kde) all the time
[04:59] <Philyco> sproingie: what do you mean a shell frame in konq i've never used that
[05:01] <sproingie> Philyco: in konq, Window->Show Terminal Emulator
[05:02] <sproingie> it sends 'cd' commands to that terminal every time you open a folder
[05:02] <sproingie> i'd prefer something like CLIM where folders and files in the terminal are themselves clickable widgets
[05:02] <sproingie> but this is still pretty convenient
[05:03] <Philyco> sproingie: I'll try when I get physically to my machine
[05:04] <hydrogen> .
[05:07] <sproingie> it's really fabulous when you split the vew vertically, link the two, put the left frame at the root, lock it at the current location, then enable the terminal
[05:07] <sproingie> it's like windows explorer but with files on the left too, and with a built in terminal
[05:09] <sproingie> or you can just use the left sidebar if you don't like seeing the files
[05:11] <Philyco> sproingie: r u running irssi
[05:11] <sproingie> nope, chatzilla
[05:17] <sproingie> mmkay, kde comes with no less than five audio players.  which is recommended?
[05:18] <hydrogen> heh
[05:18] <hydrogen> depends
[05:18] <hydrogen> the actively developed full featured ones are amaroK and juK
[05:18] <hydrogen> each aims for a different audience
[05:18] <sproingie> amarok, juk, kaffeine kscd, noatun ... oh, then i went into more applications, and found kaboodle
[05:18] <hydrogen> just try em and see what you like
[05:18] <sproingie> any easy way to make one the default?
[05:18] <nalioth> sproingie: you can use any audio player you like, you dont havta use kdecentric ones
[05:19] <hydrogen> noatun is a bit out of date, kscd is just cd's
[05:19] <sproingie> right now it starts noatun for most things
[05:20] <sproingie> i can go into file associations, but that's kind of cumbersome, since i dont see a way to set a default for audio/*
[05:20] <Philyco> sproingie: I find amarok excellennte bu a litle bloated but has some feature that i like that juk does no like ipod support
[05:21] <sproingie> something that plays flac and ogg ... i'm not a format zealot, but i know those will work well on linux
[05:21] <Philyco> sproingie: i find the i rever better but the ipod is fashion (my wife got it for me at my last birthday) it was gift from her to me to her
[05:22] <sproingie> yah the nano looks drop-dead awesome.  but know what i think whenever i see that ad of the guy flipping around the ipod in his hand?
[05:22] <sproingie> i think he's thinking "where's the damn battery cover?  don't tell me i can't change the battery on this either?!"
[05:23] <Philyco> sproingie: you can change the battery on the ipod with an aftermarket one
[05:23] <sproingie> i like the idea of "battery's out, slap in a new one"
[05:23] <sproingie> not "get a screwdriver and soldering iron" or "ship it to lower slobivia"
[05:25] <Philyco> sproingie: lol
[05:25] <Philyco> actually the nanp has a connector on the bat
[05:26] <sproingie> then there's the format.  i like ogg
[05:26] <sproingie> not so much for sound quality, but that it's flexible
[05:27] <sproingie> fm tuner would be nice too ... apple's basically riding on brand and the clickwheel
[05:27] <Philyco> sproingie: well u can run linux on the ipod to get ogg support
[05:27] <Philyco> sproingie: tobe honest the click whell is one awsome thing and the interface: one word my understands it!
[05:28] <Philyco> sproingie: I know the irever has basically a very similar interface but it is different
[05:28] <sproingie> eh.  iriver's full of goodie features ... think it's more expensive than the rio tho
[05:28] <sproingie> and the rio does flac and ogg
[05:29] <sproingie> er maybe just ogg ... not sure about flac in a flash player
[05:29] <sproingie> doesnt make a lot of sense to play flac in a flash player
[05:29] <Philyco> sproingie: I find flac overrated esoecially with the sound quality in most players
[05:30] <Philyco> sproingie: well if you run 20G ipod no problem for flac (using linux kernel)
[05:30] <sproingie> getting a flash player.  i drop stuff all the time :)
[05:32] <Philyco> sproingie: my ipod mini is pretty solid (2nd gen) my kid actually threw it very hard and it not not fail, and I dropped out roller blanding a couple of time, one thing they are very scratch prone but I,m not a freak on estetic
[05:32] <sproingie> me neither.  grungy is less likely to get stolen :)
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats that rio thing you were talking about?
[05:34] <sproingie> rio karma ... tho that's a HD player
[05:34] <sproingie> http://www.digitalnetworksna.com/shop/_templates/item_main_Rio.asp?model=261
[05:34] <Philyco> Kamping_Kaiser: rio: mp3 player
[05:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks ppl. *looks*
[05:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> not bad. neuros used to make awsome players, but they changed to set top boxes :(
[05:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> neuros had a 160GB mp3/ogg player
[05:38] <jmg> i ordered a neuros
[05:38] <jmg> but it never arrived :(
[05:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/
[05:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> i was going to, but tehy stopped making them. suppose i was lucky then ;)
[05:41] <jmg> ive been waiting 2 months :(
[05:41] <jmg> wrote a nasty feedback for the ebay seller lol
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[05:48] <jmg> wow breezy is nice
[05:51] <chx> is  there a Sun JRE apt source for breezy?
[05:51] <Philyco> jmg: Is  Breezy worth the upgrade?
[05:51] <chx> Philyco: i'd say yes :)
[05:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> in a few weeks ;)
[05:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> chx i doubt it.
[05:52] <nalioth> chx http://giannaros.org/tor/bt/
[05:55] <chx> nalioth: then please advice me a non-java torrent client because I can't run Azureus without a JRE....
[05:55] <jmg> chx: ktorrent
[05:55] <nalioth> chx: bittorrent
[05:56] <chx> nalioth: OK I am a fool, sorry
[05:56] <nalioth> chx: console bittorrent, open a terminal and type "btdownloadcurses nameof.torrent"
[05:56] <nalioth> chx: no one is a fool who seeks knowledge
[05:56] <Philyco> chx:  get a console torrebt client console rules
[05:58] <chx> nalioth: heh, console torrent, lookin' funny, but seems to work
[05:58] <jmg> chx: ktorrent is good
[06:00] <chx> torrent is stuck at connecting to peers (0.0%) 
[06:00] <nalioth> chx: which one are you after?
[06:01] <chx> nalioth: sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_i386.deb
[06:03] <red> holas
[06:06] <nalioth> chx: you should be recieving it now
[06:06] <nalioth> chx: quite ironic, that i should seed a i386 file (i own no x86 machines)
[06:07] <chx> noone was seeding??
[06:07] <chx> nalioth: let me guess. you run Mac?
[06:08] <nalioth> chx: i'm a all ppc house
[06:14] <Philyco> nalioth: what do u own
[06:15] <nalioth> Philyco: macs. lots of macs
[06:16] <Philyco> nalioth: r u realy running linux on a mac?
[06:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[06:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> ill bet he realy is
[06:18] <nalioth> Philyco: Linux dualg5 2.6.10-5-power4-smp #1 SMP Thu Sep 8 08:15:52 UTC 2005 ppc GNU/Linux
[06:19] <Philyco> nalioth: Why don't u use mac os X
[06:19] <nalioth> Philyco: because (to me) it sucks
[06:19] <Philyco> Philyco: I've insttled (temporalliy on my pentium M and it is amazing
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> dual g5? bastard
[06:19] <Philyco> nalioth: Do u find linux faster?
[06:20] <Philyco> Philyco: DO u use gimp since u own mac (must be an artist) sorry for judging u
[06:20] <nalioth> Philyco: yes i find linux faster (esp on my older macs)
[06:21] <Philyco> P#
[06:21] <nalioth> Philyco: yes i use gimp (but am not an expert)
[06:21] <chx> nalioth: Sorry, but ATM I can't really afford a Mac and sometimes I need Crossover (Wine) on Linux. But when the first Intel Mac Mini appears expect me to be in the Apple Store day 1.
[06:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> Chx thats evil :o *burns X86 macs*
[06:23] <Philyco> chx: Here starts the debate: do u thibk apple will release osX for non apple hardware?  If so do you linux is oging to go down the drain
[06:23] <chx> Kamping_Kaiser: evil? yes. I make a living being a web programmer. Could you please tell me how could I test my sites with IE6 if I'd own a Mac?
[06:23] <nalioth> chx: why do you write for IE?
[06:23] <chx> Philyco: I want a Mac, you know
[06:24] <nalioth> chx: write using the w3w standards
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> chx. use standards ;) not windows (but i get your point)
[06:24] <chx> nalioth: probably because the client would kill me if the site won't run on IE6. My primary browser is opera, secondary is firefox, but I must check with IE6
[06:24] <nalioth> chx: bah. educate your employer
[06:25] <chx> And all the visitors of the employers' website?
[06:25] <Philyco> chx: I just did my first site (well for my mommy) in css and FUCK it screwed up in IE. I hate IE I hate u, your evil
[06:25] <Philyco> chx: don't use png with ie and hovers
[06:25] <chx> Philyco: I wholewheartedly agree. The pain in getting a site working with attribute selectors
[06:25] <nalioth> you guys can take the flame talk to #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:25] <chx> s/with/without
[06:25] <Philyco> ok sorry nalioth 
[06:25] <chx> nalioth: ok
[06:26] <Philyco> ok lets talk about #kubuntu 
[06:27] <Philyco> u know what kind of linux distro we need for he masses one that is locked down fool proof with very litle config so my grandma can use it
[06:28] <nalioth> Philyco: (k)ubuntu is trying to become that very distro
[06:28] <Philyco> a distro that u can't evenchange the WM's background so ypur relative do not call you on how to open an mpg file
[06:29] <Philyco> a distrubution once you boot it u can't even shut it down so when your mother in law calls u and ask u how to turn on the computer
[06:29] <Philyco> i'm getting tired of having my brother in law calling me on how to setup his router
[06:29] <Philyco> just mu thaughts
[06:30] <Philyco> nalioth: Again kubuntu is getting their but lots of config utility are missing
[06:31] <Philyco> nalioth: kubuntu should have a newbie distrubution concept where u don't not a console or edit a txt file to configure something
[06:31] <nalioth> Philyco: they are heading that way
[06:32] <Philyco> We shall call it kisubuntu for keep it simple unbuntu
[06:34] <Philyco> ubuntu familly have five  entries in the menu:  mail, iternet, chat, media player (photos also) and their you have it you can target 90% of the market which are Mr Bob Computer user 
[06:34] <Philyco> ubuntu familly should have five  entries in the menu:  mail, iternet, chat, media player (photos also) and their you have it you can target 90% of the market which are Mr Bob Computer user 
[06:35] <jesusfish> what is version magic, and why would it be wrong?
[06:35] <jesusfish> I compiled my own kernel
[06:35] <Philyco> marketing name we could use for Mr Bob computer Joe:  kubuntu 100Ghz I bet we could sell it for 100$ on the shelfs
[06:40] <chx> nalioth: until you have a Windows-like installer it's not for the stupid crowd, alas. They would be frigthened from a text-based installer. I like it, though :)
[06:40] <nalioth> chx: graphical installer is soon to come
[06:41] <aseigo> chx: which windows has a non "ncurses like" installation?
[06:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> aseigo: vista afaik ;)
[06:42] <aseigo> and hell ... which windows installer is made for the stupid crowd?
[06:42] <Philyco> nalioth: no need for an interactive installer just one dialog box: language and that's it
[06:42] <chx> aseigo: OK, I admit , phase one is textual in Windows, right.
[06:42] <chx> aseigo: right again
[06:42] <chx> Philyco: right :)
[06:43] <jesusfish> is it bad to build a kubuntu kernel with gcc 4.0?
[06:43] <nalioth> jesusfish: ?
[06:43] <nalioth> jesusfish: breezy is based on gcc4
[06:43] <chx> jesusfish: yes, your computer will attack you with a sharp knife
[06:43] <aseigo> Philyco: language and timezone
[06:43] <Philyco> chx: with instruction on a cd: Turn on computer, insert this shinny round flat thind int the widest slot and wait
[06:44] <jesusfish> I dunno, it's using 3.4 for whatever reason by default
[06:44] <aseigo> Philyco: with the option of derailing into more fine grained activities
[06:44] <jesusfish> nalioth: ^
[06:44] <nalioth> Philyco: if a graphical installer isnt in breezy, it'll be in dapper drake
[06:44] <jesusfish> dang it
[06:44] <jesusfish> I get an error
[06:44] <nalioth> jesusfish: are you using breezy?
[06:44] <jesusfish> nalioth: ya
[06:45] <nalioth> jesusfish: then you should be using gcc4 by default
[06:45] <aseigo> installers. meh. BOOTSPLASH baby. =P
[06:45] <nalioth> jesusfish: if not, you should specify in the build phase
[06:45] <jesusfish> nalioth: working on that, got an error building the kernel with 4.90
[06:45] <jesusfish> 4.0*
[06:46] <Philyco> nalioth: I,ve been talking about KISS distro and installer but I was not thinking one comes close to it are all the LiveCD
[06:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> jesusfish: is the error in the kernel or a module that was 3.4?
[06:47] <jesusfish> Kamping_Kaiser: error building the kernel with 3.4
[06:47] <nalioth> Philyco: and they are not "installers"
[06:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. just a thought
[06:47] <jesusfish> Kamping_Kaiser: in the makefile it says something about using a cc option
[06:48] <Philyco> nalioth: well u can install them but u don,t need to, to get a full working enviroment
[06:49] <nalioth> Philyco: a non-productive working environment
[06:49] <Philyco> Philyco: insert the live cd in computer rip off eject button and here u have it unbreakable machine for grandma
[06:49] <nalioth> Philyco: until she asks where to save the files to
[06:50] <nalioth> Philyco: and where are they (after a reboot)
[06:50] <jesusfish> nalioth: any idea how I use cc-options when building a kernel?
[06:50] <Philyco> partition hard drive in four auto pbackup all partitions redudant data
[06:50] <nalioth> jesusfish: lemme look
[06:50] <jesusfish> nalioth: I've built plent of kernels before, but never had to pass cc options
[06:50] <god-zero> nalioth: that's what gmailfs is for
[06:50] <Philyco> nalioth: well have the live cd first time it runs detext if linux partition is present else format
[06:51] <Philyco> a data partion
[06:51] <Philyco> god-zero: lol
[06:51] <Philyco> god-zero: u do need a hd some grandpa can stach his porn
[06:52] <nalioth> jesusfish: type this right before you build export CC=gcc-4.0
[06:52] <Philyco> or i've got another idea lets make a distro (pornbutu) that uses wget t fetch images from free porn site well could make 1000ths
[06:53] <nalioth> Philyco: two words. Build One
[06:53] <nalioth> jesusfish: you can also put that export line into your ~/.bashrc
[06:53] <Philyco> nalioth: enough with the beer drinking for me
[06:53] <jesusfish> nalioth: ya, I have that part...but I get an error when compiling with gcc-4.0
[06:53] <Philyco> jesusfish: reaaly all of breezy is built with gcc4
[06:54] <jesusfish> Philyco: except for the kernel
[06:54] <god-zero> pornbuntu? I think I have that installed....
[06:54] <nalioth> jesusfish: seems you have bad code then, if you're erroring with 3.x and 4.0
[06:54] <jesusfish> nalioth: it's not my code
[06:54] <Philyco> god-zero: you want to start the project with 
[06:54] <Philyco> god-zero: you want to start the project with I
[06:54] <jesusfish> nalioth: last I checked, I didn't create the kernel
[06:55] <nalioth> jesusfish: sorry man, i got a cat5 hurricane comin at me
[06:55] <jesusfish> nalioth: you in Texas?
[06:55] <Philyco> nalioth: u should really duck and cover, get to a safe place
[06:56] <jesusfish> I thought Rita was down to Cat 4?
[06:57] <Philyco> nalioth: do have a basement
[06:57] <nalioth> jesusfish: cat4 still packs 100mph+ winds
[06:57] <god-zero> I've been setting up toomany computers.. The thought that first came to me was a huge cat5 (ethernet) snarl at high speed
[06:57] <nalioth> Philyco: nobody in southeast texas has a basement
[06:57] <Philyco> I know its not common in the states (relatives) here in quebec 95% have basements
[06:57] <Philyco> I'
[06:58] <chx> nalioth: and you have not run from that place??
[06:58] <nalioth> Philyco: oh no, in the states there's lots of basements
[06:58] <Philyco> nalioth: I wonder why
[06:58] <nalioth> Philyco: just not down in SE Texas (water table is too high)
[06:58] <nalioth> chx: run from what place?
[06:58] <chx> nalioth: Houston
[06:58] <Philyco> well I,ver got relative in Ohio,California and Florida and nobody has a frecken basement 
[06:59] <nalioth> chx: i have inside information
[06:59] <nalioth> Philyco: florida is also not good geography for basements
[07:00] <Philyco> how about cleaveland
[07:00] <god-zero> Philyco: depends on you elevation.. gotta be X feet above the 100 year high water mark here
[07:00] <nalioth> Philyco: sounds like they're too poor for a basement in cleveland
[07:01] <god-zero> more likely too wet
[07:01] <chx> nalioth: inside information from a hurricane? whao.
[07:01] <Philyco> nalioth: r u in the eye ! not thats a figure of speech lol
[07:01] <jesusfish> hmmm...fs.h has an error
[07:01] <jesusfish> that can't be good
[07:01] <jesusfish> nalioth: know how to fix version magic?
[07:02] <nalioth> chx: http://nhc.noaa.gov
[07:02] <nalioth> jesusfish: i've never heard of version magic
[07:02] <chx> nalioth: site not found
[07:03] <nalioth> farkling govt websites
[07:03] <nalioth> chx: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov
[07:03] <creart> Could someone explain to me, how to find the "administrator mode" butten, please?!
[07:04] <chx> nalioth: ah I see
[07:04] <nalioth> creart: its in your terminal, it is "sudo <command-name>"
[07:05] <creart> ohhh... it's just that in the KDE control module it says there is a button...
[07:06] <god-zero> creart: alt-f2 kdesu kcontrol
[07:07] <god-zero> that button is broken
[07:07] <creart> nice... thats it... thx
[07:08] <creart> ;)
[07:17] <sophie_> #join #linux
[07:18] <damnhil> how can I insert a horizontal line in Kword?
[07:18] <sophie_> with "____________"
[07:20] <sophie_> damnhil: sorry lol
[08:27] <Foodcoman> Greetings
[08:30] <aftertaf> boing!
[08:30] <aftertaf> morning
[08:36] <Kaiser_Away> hi aftertaf,
[08:36] <Kaiser_Away> hm. foodc has gone :/
[08:42] <aftertaf> hi kaiser_back ;)
[08:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;) 
[08:43] <aftertaf> plop :)
[08:43] <aftertaf> how's it going in sunny oz?
[08:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> lmao. it hasnt been sunny all day, and you say tht and the sun comes out
[08:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> im still depressed, otherwise its ok
[08:44] <aftertaf> oops azerty keyb. never get used to it.
[08:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> i guesed ;)
[08:44] <aftertaf> nalioth:  how's houston (if that isnt a silly question)
[08:45] <nalioth> aftertaf: www.nch.noaa.gov
[08:46] <nalioth> aftertaf: click on GEOS storm floater 1
[08:46] <nalioth> aftertaf: any of the loops
[08:46] <nalioth> aftertaf: if you mark the box for county and roads and trop fcst pts, you can see houston
[08:47] <buz> !grub
[08:47] <ubotu> it has been said that grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows, or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[08:47] <aftertaf> looking....
[08:49] <aftertaf> nalioth:  404'ed.... thought that was a bad sign.... then i changed to nhc 
[08:49] <buz> i sure hate grub's device numbering
[08:50] <buz> if i got hda and hdb and i need to install it to hdb, what to do?
[08:52] <buz> (also why lilo is still default i can't really understand)
[08:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> (#,1) where # is the partition iirc
[08:52] <buz> root(hd1,1)
[08:52] <buz> setup(hd1) seemed to work
[08:52] <buz> i'll wait with rebooting until i have the breezy live cd burnt ;
[08:56] <aftertaf_> hmmm
[08:56] <aftertaf_> sorry for being dumb, but i dont know what you mean geos storm floater1 . . . 
[08:59] <nalioth> aftertaf: n/m
[09:00] <nalioth> houston is gonna get a very cleansing shower
[09:00] <nalioth> at about 100mph
[09:00] <aftertaf> ok nalioth ;)  looks bad.....
[09:00] <nalioth> aftertaf: any weathere website will do
[09:00] <nikkia> nalioth, when i saw the news last night, i was disgusted that whoever makes these decisions hasn't implemented contraflow on *all* highways out of galveston and dallas
[09:00] <nalioth> aftertaf: the noaa website has the latest info, tho
[09:00] <aftertaf> keep buckled in... i can see the red and yellow danger zones...
[09:01] <nikkia> erm, s/dallas/houston/
[09:01] <nalioth> nikkia: ya i was just complainin to my roommate about only 2 outbound highways with contraflow
[09:02] <aftertaf> got him nalioth ... satellite view loop.
[09:02] <nalioth> so who is goin to beam me up to their place?
[09:02] <nikkia> nalioth: then they had the balls to say 'well, the police are worried about oncoming traffic', while showing, 1-2 cars per minute on that side of the highway, ffs, a decent 'once every few miles' police/HP presence would handle that
[09:03] <nalioth> nikkia: us59 north really needed the contraflow (i'ts under major construction)
[09:03] <nikkia> nalioth: then they said 'you're better off in your car on the highway than in your house', erm, no, not in 100mph+ winds you're not
[09:03] <nalioth> nikkia: i quite agree
[09:03] <nalioth> but in my case, it would be better to be in the auto (i live in a trailer)
[09:04] <nikkia> nalioth: heh    /me bites her tongue :P
[09:06] <nikkia> nalioth: does the area not have a 'disaster readiness plan' or is it just a very badly designed one?
[09:07] <nikkia> nalioth: cos when we lived in NC (in a hurricane zone), we had one that basically rule 1 was 'under implementation of the DRP all outbound highways will be declared contraflow' :)
[09:07] <nikkia> (and the leaflet had a big map of which way you were supposed to leave if you wanted to head in various directions)
[09:08] <buz> is there any place to get firefox 1.5 nightlies?
[09:08] <buz> the ftp site only seems to containt 1.6nightlies
[09:08] <buz> and 1.5beta has a security hole
[09:08] <nikkia> buz, ftp.mozilla.org ?
[09:08] <buz> well i tried there, maybe it's me but i can only find 1.6nightly there
[09:09] <nikkia> ah
[09:09] <nikkia> buz, i doubt there's that much development going on with 1.5 now
[09:09] <buz> well the beta was before the recent hole was discovered
[09:09] <buz> so i dont wanna use that
[09:10] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: there aren't many places that aren't affected by some 'dangerous weather'
[09:10] <buz> mine isn't
[09:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> nikkia: yes, but adelaide hills gets jack all. 
[09:11] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: forest fires?
[09:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> bad weather
[09:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> itgets rainy, but not dangerous
[09:12] <nikkia> forest fires are still a weather artifact :)
[09:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh :) true
[09:13] <aftertaf> buz:  breezy has 1.7 now
[09:13] <buz> there is no 1.7 of firefox???
[09:14] <aftertaf> 1.0.7 i meant
[09:14] <buz> yeah i got that one
[09:14] <aftertaf> hehe
[09:14] <buz> but 1.5 supposedly is much faster
[09:14] <aftertaf> i dunno. not aware...
[09:14] <aftertaf> happy with konq for most stuff
[09:15] <buz> konqi has no extensions ;)
[09:15] <buz> and i'm a sucker for those
[09:15] <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, mind helping me quick ?
[09:16] <nalioth> nikkia: there are "plans" but they are not widely known
[09:16] <nikkia> nalioth: ah, we used to have the DRP leaflets twice a year
[09:17] <aftertaf> hehe CaiN_SA fire away..... (no guarantees ;) )
[09:17] <nikkia> nalioth: one just before hurricane season started, and another about 6 months later (the second one tended to focus more on 'what to do if our nuclear power station goes china syndrome'
[09:17] <nikkia> nalioth: the general gist of which was 'die'
[09:17] <CaiN_SA> aftertaf, when i run : grub-install /dev/hda
[09:17] <CaiN_SA> the stupid thing tells me :
[09:17] <CaiN_SA>  /dev/foo: not found or not a block disk
[09:17] <CaiN_SA> wth is its problem ?
[09:17] <nikkia> nalioth: the nuclear plant DRP was always a bit of a joke, because you had to drive about 1/4 mile past the plant on the evac route :)
[09:18] <nalioth> nikkia: you were close to savannah river electrical genny site?
[09:18] <nikkia> nalioth: probably, can't remember which one it was, but that would probably be it
[09:18] <nikkia> nalioth: no, not SRS
[09:18] <nikkia> nalioth: let me check which plant it was
[09:19] <aftertaf> CaiN_SA:  no idea man.....    
[09:19] <aftertaf> :/
[09:19] <CaiN_SA> its stupid
[09:19] <nikkia> nalioth: 'Brunswick'
[09:19] <nikkia> nalioth: not a very inspired name, given we lived in Brunswick County :)
[09:20] <nalioth> nikkia: gotta keep things simple (refrains from further comment)
[09:20] <nalioth> Kamping_Kaiser: but the jpgs sound so awesome!
[09:20] <nikkia> nalioth: yeah, the primary population WAS trailer trash :P
[09:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> nalioth: lol. yeh, but not what i was after :/
[09:23] <nalioth> no advice on "large powermac box" or "small trash-bag wrapped powermac"?
[09:23] <nikkia> nalioth: i'd go for both :P
[09:23] <nikkia> nalioth: wrap it in the trash bag, then put it in the big box
[09:24] <nalioth> everything is gettin wrapped in plastic trash bags
[09:24] <nalioth> but the box is effin huge
[09:24] <nikkia> nalioth: its gonna start raining soon, if it hasn't already, so in its box, its gonna get wet
[09:26] <nikkia> did the 'don't bother evac'ing' routine for a couple of cat 1s and a cat3
[09:27] <buz> well with it likely be cat5 that's probably not an option ;)
[09:27] <nalioth> nikkia: i wouldnt bother either except atm i'm in a trailer (but not trash) and only about 1/2 mile from the houston ship channel
[09:27] <buz> not a viable one anyay
[09:28] <nikkia> buz, depends entirely on circumstances
[09:29] <aftertaf> someone shut sone up on ubuntu... flooding!!!
[09:29] <aftertaf> ???!
[09:29] <nikkia> buz, a good solid house, with plenty of height above sea level, i'd probably sit out a caat5
[09:29] <nikkia> cat5 even
[09:30] <buz> problem being that most houses in the us are anything but solid by my standard
[09:30] <nikkia> buz, i agree :/
[09:30] <nikkia> buz, give me bricks and a decent foundation every time
[09:30] <buz> yes
[09:30] <nikkia> wood and 'a little bit of a trench' some lazy builder did in an afternoon, not good :)
[09:30] <buz> then again, a small house costs at least 800000usd here
[09:31] <nikkia> gah, i really wish my boss wouldn't email me while he's driving
[09:38] <aftertaf> Tm_T:  yeah!!!!!!!!! :)
[09:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> cant wait eh Tm_T? ;) 
[09:40] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: can't wait to break my system,yeah ;--P
[09:40] <aftertaf> most time its ok, as long as you dont reboot when a bad package stops things working on reboot
[09:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> how do you output errors to /dev/null not a terminal? 2> or similar?
[09:41] <aftertaf> Tm_T:  its more or less ok though.. depends on critical broken things when you upgrade... and if you get it working all the same, you can report bugs :)
[09:41] <Tm_T> aftertaf: so I thought
[09:43] <nalioth> now i'm back
[09:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> yay. it works
[09:43] <aftertaf> indeed you are..... :)
[09:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. wb nalioth
[09:44] <nalioth> now i wish i'd waited on breezy on the G3 ibook
[09:45] <buz> aftertaf: bad package (oo2) killed my system during update
[09:45] <nalioth> breezy networking on the ibook g3 still seems kinda wishy washy
[09:45] <buz> and to top it off, the kernel wont boot
[09:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. i should do a dist-upgrade. im a few days behind
[09:48] <chx> nalioth: after Sun J2RE what else is needed so that firefox runs Java applets?
[09:49] <nalioth> chx: that should have fixed you up
[09:49] <nalioth> !tell chx about java
[09:49] <buz> yeah that small k3b window with writing status is neat
[09:49] <nalioth> chx: follow that link and make sure your links are set up properly
[09:50] <chx> nalioth: links? I followed the link to the wiki but can't see links
[09:56] <chx> nalioth: googled and fixed
[09:58] <nalioth> good to hear
[10:01] <ice> hi
[10:01] <Mirussa> can I find out more about ubotu the bot?
[10:01] <ice> i need know how active de nfs services in kubuntu please
[10:02] <nalioth> Mirussa: /msg ubotu help
[10:03] <Mirussa> nalioth: thanks!
[10:04] <nalioth> ice https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NFSClientHowTo
[10:04] <nalioth> ice: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NFSServerHowTo
[10:04] <ice> thanks
[10:11] <shark> hi
[10:50] <aftertaf> mornfall:  do we bugreport for adept to ubuntu bugzilla??
[11:08] <Tonio-> hi
[11:37] <bbcs02> #help
[11:37] <aftertaf> help?
[11:37] <bbcs02> anyone know how to download?
[11:37] <aftertaf> download what?
[11:37] <wa> song
[11:38] <wa> anyone?
[11:38] <aftertaf> you mean with p2P, you want a p2p client for linux?
[11:38] <wa> yup
[11:38] <wa>  cant run t
[11:38] <wa> i mean it
[11:38] <aftertaf> if you have synaptic, search for amule. or p2p.. and install it ;)
[11:38] <wa> i already have that
[11:38] <wa> but it can run
[11:39] <wa> wat shall i do
[11:40] <aftertaf> u have amule?  ok. open a console and type amule, what is the error?
[11:41] <wa> wer can i find the console
[11:41] <aftertaf> K menu > system > konsole
[11:42] <wa> no amule found
[11:42] <aftertaf> then not installed.....
[11:42] <aftertaf> type sudo apt-get install amule
[11:43] <aftertaf> then your password.
[11:43] <wa> wer an i find the installer
[11:43] <aftertaf> !tell wa about synaptic
[11:43] <wa> wat s synaptic
[11:43] <aftertaf> wa:  read the link ubotu sent you..... there aren't installers in the windows sense.
[11:44] <wa> nothins happens
[11:45] <wa> yp] ./sob
[11:46] <aftertaf> type sudo apt-get install synaptic
[11:49] <wa> done
[11:49] <wa> then wats next?
[11:50] <aftertaf> now, in system menu you should have synaptic listed..... run it. if not type kdesu synaptic and put in your passwrd
[11:53] <wa> wer can i find that?
[11:53] <wa> now wats next?
[11:55] <wa> hello
[11:55] <wa> wats next?
[11:58] <jmg> augh
[11:58] <jmg> TypeError: argument 1 of QSizePolicy() has an invalid type
[12:01] <aftertaf> wa:  you got synaptic up?
[12:01] <aftertaf> if so, use the search funtion for amule or p2p and instal it
[12:11] <chx> is there a way to select task with the scroll wheel? for example , in opera if you keep pressed right button and start to scroll then you can see the list of active tabs and you can select. something like this would be ubercool :)
[12:12] <chx> on the taskbar the selection is very hectic because i can't see the task list to choose from
[12:13] <DocTomoe> What is the correct way to terminate a printing job in kubuntu breezy?
[12:13] <DocTomoe> For some reason, kjobviewer refuses to take any username/password combination I enter
[12:14] <DocTomoe> this is 3.5Beta1, maybe a beta-related problem?
[12:48] <aftertaf> mornfall:  adept bug..... >> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16109
[01:19] <genjix> anyone here know how to get bash scripts to restore echoing?
[01:23] <[square] > hi
[01:34] <apokryphos> hi [square] 
[01:34] <aftertaf> action on ubuntu today.. phew
[01:43] <buz> is it normal that i get shitloads of java with the oo2 package?
[01:43] <buz> (i dont even use java with oo2)
[01:45] <hnschl> Hello. I'm setting up an older notebook for a friend. I decided to try KDE, because i think its easier to use than for example icewm... How would you think about this decision? What packeges could i drop, what settings adjust to get a little bit more space on HD or RAM free? (thanks for reading)
[01:47] <aftertaf> hnschl:  i use kde on a 10gig hd with a dell laptop PIII 500mhz just fine, without any tweaking
[01:48] <apokryphos> buz: yes
[01:48] <apokryphos> it's an OOo dependency
[01:49] <hnschl> aftertaf: the one i use is a PII 233mhz. because its a notebook, its hard to upgrade RAM(~60mb)
[01:50] <pointwood> anyone upgraded to the new beta? 
[01:50] <pointwood> how (un)stable is it?
[01:50] <aftertaf> hnschl:  erf... ok.   i have 256 mb ram.
[01:51] <apokryphos> pointwood: it's ok; libs, base, toys and utils only in so far though
[01:51] <pointwood> k
[01:51] <pointwood> I guess I'll wait a bit then :)
[01:55] <apokryphos> pointwood: because of that? Why? ;-)
[01:55] <apokryphos> you'll still be able to use all the other stuff, of course; it'll just be 3.4.2
[01:55] <pointwood> hehe
[01:55] <pointwood> ahh...
[01:55] <pointwood> k
[01:56] <pointwood> thought I would end up with an amputated KDE :)
[01:56] <aftertaf> and we can bug report too ;)
[01:57] <pointwood> okay, I AM a bit bored, so I'll try it out :)
[01:59] <aftertaf> loool   boredom is a great motivator
[01:59] <charolastra> hi guys
[02:00] <pointwood> apokryphos: did the import of Jonathan's key work for you?
[02:00] <apokryphos> it really is; every time I've installed a new distro it's been from temporary boredom
[02:00] <apokryphos> pointwood: yup
[02:00] <pointwood> hrm
[02:00] <charolastra> does kubuntu have a GUI for setting eth0 or does it deal with it over /etc/network/interfaces ?
[02:00] <pointwood> sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[02:00] <pointwood> gpg: can't open `kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg': No such file or directory
[02:01] <apokryphos> pointwood: wget http://kubuntu.org/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg && sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[02:01] <pointwood> ahhh
[02:02] <pointwood> upgrading...
[02:03] <apokryphos> I wouldn't upgrade your X (if you're doing that too)
[02:03] <pointwood> I just run apt-get upgrade
[02:03] <helpme> hiya guys:)
[02:03] <apokryphos> pointwood: on breezy?
[02:03] <pointwood> hi
[02:03] <pointwood> apokryphos: no
[02:04] <apokryphos> ok, fine then
[02:04] <pointwood> phew ;)
[02:06] <pointwood> done :)
[02:06] <pointwood> let's see how this goes :)
[02:06] <pointwood> brb :)
[02:13] <pointwood> well, that wasn't so painfull :p
[02:14] <charolastra> i'm asking for a windows friend: does kubuntu have a GUI for setting eth0 or does it deal with it over /etc/network/interfaces ?
[02:14] <helpme> i installed quake2 via apt-get..but i get jerky sound..plz help......any fixes?
[02:16] <Riddell> charolastra: knetworkconf
[02:16] <Riddell> charolastra: in kcontrol/system settings
[02:16] <Riddell> Network Settings
[02:16] <charolastra> thanks
[02:18] <nalioth> Riddell: is there a way to add close buttons in konquerers tabs?
[02:19] <charolastra> nalioth: tried ctrl + w :)
[02:20] <nalioth> charolastra: yes, thank you. i want little x's on my tabs (just like safari)
[02:21] <charolastra> well, never seen an option for that
[02:22] <Riddell> nalioth: settings->configure konqueror->web behaviour-> advanced ->show close button instead of website icon
[02:22] <Riddell> it doesn't work very well
[02:23] <apokryphos> nalioth: you can use MMB to close tabs though, with an option
[02:23] <helpme> anyone tried koffice here?
[02:24] <nalioth> Riddell: thank you (now to figure out how to make the website icon the close button)
[02:24] <nalioth> apokryphos: MMB?
[02:24] <apokryphos> Middle-Mouse-Button
[02:24] <nalioth> apokryphos: my MMB backtracks
[02:25] <apokryphos> nalioth: eh? MMB-click (not scroll)
[02:26] <nalioth> apokryphos: yes, my MMB-click does a back button on clicked tab (default behavior, i believe)
[02:26] <apokryphos> nalioth: oh, I know that; you can set an optio though for it to close the tab instead
[02:26] <apokryphos> nalioth: edit your konquerorrc and under [FMSettings]  put MouseMiddleClickClosesTab=true
[02:32] <apokryphos> Ideally, it would be nice if there was an option to have a close-tab in the  Quanta style; that way you wouldn't have to sacrifice website icon
[02:32] <nalioth> apokryphos: perhaps we could write one
[02:34] <apokryphos> nalioth: how's it been so far?
[02:34] <nalioth> apokryphos: the excrement will start hitting the oscillation around 8 or 9 tonight (USA CST)
[02:35] <freemanen> Hello anyone how knows a jre that work with kubuntu ppc? I cant sable vm and kaffe to work
[02:35] <apokryphos> nalioth: dang, I wish you weren't there, but I'll bear you in my thoughts at the time. 
[02:37] <aftertaf> nalioth:  as in 13 hours from now???
[02:38] <nalioth> aftertaf: as in 13-odd hours from now
[02:39] <aftertaf> ok. dude that'll be 4am for me..... crossing my fingers when i wake up tomorrow ...
[02:44] <DexterF> hi
[02:45] <DexterF> what would be the appropriate method to update Breezy preview to final when it's out? 
[02:45] <nalioth> DexterF: that is built in
[02:53] <|maddox|> anyone had probs updating x-common 1.06 to 1.08?
[02:53] <DexterF> really..? like a button that says "upgrade to Breezy"..? I have been using Slackware over the last 4 years, I'm not used to any kind of comfort :)
[02:53] <|maddox|> i get this:
[02:53] <|maddox|> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.08_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/X11/fonts', which is also in package xfonts-base
[02:54] <nxv_> is there a gui frontend to ssh-agent or anything similar in kde?
[02:55] <aftertaf> nxv_:  konqueror ?? ;)  dunno...
[02:56] <irvin> |maddox|: same here
[02:56] <|maddox|> i hope its a temporary error
[02:59] <_johan> how do I create a symbolic link that poins to my samba-shares? Creating one that points at smb:// didn't wor
[02:59] <_johan> k
[03:01] <aftertaf> lol DexterF "breezy button" :)
[03:03] <MrRagga> hi, i am looking for the network-admin command but it seems to be missing in kubuntu, any hints?
[03:04] <aftertaf> MrRagga:  i have it, but i dont know which package gave me it...
[03:05] <aftertaf> is there a command i can use to find out?
[03:05] <_johan> anyone knows if I can create a link to my mounted samba-drives?
[03:05] <MrRagga> aftertaf: oh, i should probably say that i installed breezy preview
[03:05] <aftertaf> MrRagga:  me too
[03:06] <MrRagga> aftertaf: did you use the kubuntu iso or installed ubuntu first and then kde
[03:06] <aftertaf> hoary then upgrade
[03:06] <MrRagga> aftertaf: i have read that this package is available for ubuntu but not kubuntu
[03:06] <MrRagga> hmmm
[03:06] <aftertaf> kubuntu CD 5.04
[03:07] <aftertaf> then upped to breezy. with some gnome stuff.
[03:07] <aftertaf> ask on #ubuntu
[03:07] <MrRagga> what does apt-file search network-admin say for you?
[03:08] <aftertaf> apt-file command not found :/
[03:08] <MrRagga> apt-get install apt-file
[03:09] <aftertaf> hehe installing
[03:09] <aftertaf> weird, returns nothing
[03:09] <mornfall> aftertaf: b.k.o please
[03:10] <mornfall> aftertaf: (see adept homepage)
[03:10] <aftertaf> mornfall:  ok...
[03:10] <MrRagga> aftertaf: so you still probably have the package from your hoary installation
[03:10] <mornfall> aftertaf: not to mention it's a dupe
[03:10] <aftertaf> really?
[03:10] <MrRagga> aftertaf: dpkg -l |grep network-admin
[03:10] <mornfall> aftertaf: hmm, or no?
[03:10] <mornfall> aftertaf: wait :)
[03:11] <aftertaf> MrRagga:  same again, nothing
[03:11] <mornfall> aftertaf: the backtrace is... weird
[03:11] <mornfall> aftertaf: but yeah, the problem was already reported about 3 times
[03:16] <aftertaf> mornfall:  what happened was, i manually selected a package that the 'upgrade function' didnt choose, and hit Apply. it just bombed out.
[03:17] <aftertaf> when i chose the packge with apt-get it said package cant be installed..... so does adept have a handler for apt-get error messages?
[03:20] <_stefan> hello all
[03:20] <_stefan> I have a problem with vnc
[03:21] <_stefan> I installed vnc4server
[03:21] <_stefan> set a password
[03:21] <_stefan> but when I try to connect
[03:21] <_stefan> I get the message that my auth is not correct
[03:21] <_stefan> Killing the server , rename/.vnc/passwd
[03:21] <mornfall> aftertaf: the problem is broken packages -- it throws an exception and nobody catches it
[03:22] <_stefan> starting the server again setting nes password
[03:22] <mornfall> aftertaf: and broken status indication doesn't work for some reason, too, it seems
[03:22] <aftertaf> i tried, but i missed the ball
[03:22] <_stefan> but I can not auth
[03:22] <_stefan> can someone help?
[03:23] <_stefan> trying differnt viewers
[03:23] <_stefan> krdc and xvnc4viewer  ,but no success
[03:23] <_stefan> what is wrong?
[03:23] <buz> is there a way to use options composite on a r200?
[03:24] <aftertaf> _stefan:  never used vnc, sorry..... try in ubuntu
[03:24] <_stefan> I often was in ubuntu getting no answers there
[03:33] <lotusnet> say all
[03:33] <lotusneth> h
[03:34] <lotusneth> gf
[03:53] <humbolt> anybody any luck with pptp under linux?
[04:03] <johny_boy> fg
[04:13] <john_boy> uka
[04:45] <Phantom^^> Heya everyone
[04:45] <Phantom^^> Can anyone tell me how to install the latest open office
[04:52] <lunitik> Riddell: hey, having issues with the KDE3.5 packages... namely panel fails to load... are you working on this currently?
[04:52] <lunitik> Riddell: KDM looks very nice though  :)
[04:54] <lunitik> Riddell: also, how far along are you with 3.5? I was hoping to see kdenetwork upgrades (namely to Kopete)  :(
[04:55] <lunitik> Riddell: oh... error message says something about klaunch or somesuch...
[04:56] <lunitik> klauncher*  "Could not start process Cannot talk to klauncher"
[04:56] <lunitik> seems to be starting the panel when it says this...
[05:01] <marculin> Nn svensk som kan hjlpa mig lite ?
[05:02] <Kaiser_away> english here
[05:02] <marculin> Jag r nybrjare p linux och installerade precis kubuntu. Men hur installerar jag nya program ?
[05:02] <marculin> apt-get install tuxracer . BUT it doesnt work
[05:02] <marculin> ?
[05:03] <marculin> Someone who can tell me how i install some new programs
[05:04] <Leshrac> have you enabled the repositories?
[05:04] <Leshrac> it might be the reason apt-get does not work for you
[05:05] <marculin> No i havent done it
[05:05] <marculin> How i do that ?
[05:06] <othernoob> !repos
[05:06] <ubotu> repos is, like, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[05:06] <marculin> thx
[05:06] <othernoob> no problem
[05:26] <thuzzik> Is there someone who can help me with VLC?
[05:27] <freemanen> I have a problem about not hearing sounds. Then i start kubuntu i hear sounds but sometimes it disapear after a while. what could be the problem?
[05:28] <johan> on ./configuring, I am getting this error. Found something on the ubuntu forum about installing 2 dev-packages, but that didn't work.
[05:28] <johan> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[05:32] <Kaiser_away> try xlib-dev or similar johan
[05:32] <johan> I did, found a meta-package that did the job
[05:33] <johan> now it told me I needed qt, but there was a dev package for that as well, so I think it works
[05:50] <foodcoman> Is everyone seeing this with Apt?  Errors Encountered   /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.08_all.deb
[05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think everyone is. but i havent tried myself
[05:52] <foodcoman> Good call.
[05:52] <foodcoman> =)
[05:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;) my proxy is down. and i cbfd booting it to update at 1.20 am ;)
[05:53] <foodcoman> It seems to be adding the x.x.9.x to Grub, but then the display manager and X wont load.
[05:54] <foodcoman> So I just reverted back to the old x.x.8.blah and still function.
[05:54] <foodcoman> 2 machines a barking for me.
[05:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you use nvidia/ati module for your kernels?
[05:55] <foodcoman> Nvidia
[05:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> that would cause the x failing bit in one not the othter
[05:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> because the kernel module hasnt been updated yet
[05:56] <foodcoman> Makes since.  I guess I need to slow down on applying the updates!
[05:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> or live with xless for a bit
[05:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> or dont use 3d ;)
[05:57] <foodcoman> hahaha, maybe they see to many who need the practice!   =D
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:58] <foodcoman> Shell, whats a shell?     =D
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;D
[05:58] <othernoob> anyone familiar with the mkisofs syntax?
[05:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry not me
[05:59] <foodcoman> Joking here!......   man mkisofs
[05:59] <foodcoman> =)
[05:59] <othernoob> yea,well..if it was that simple :/
[06:00] <foodcoman> hehe true that!
[06:01] <foodcoman> Probably not close, but there are some examples.   http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl8_mkisofs.htm
[06:02] <foodcoman> Ah found a wiki.... Sec. taking awhile to load.
[06:02] <foodcoman> http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Mkisofs
[06:02] <foodcoman> FWIW.
[06:06] <othernoob> thanks... FWIW?
[06:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> for what its worth
[06:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> night othernoob, night foodcoman. later mates
[06:10] <othernoob> at last...thanks foodcoman, not sure whether or not the iso is what i want, but it's doing something :)
[06:20] <_rikva> What is the graphical login manager I get when I boot Kubuntu? It isn't KDM, is it?
[06:20] <Riddell> _rikva: it's KDM
[06:20] <libben> http://www.beansidhe.com/images/sept19.2005.jpg
[06:21] <_rikva> hmm strange, because It doesn't listen to the changes I make to KDM in kcontrol
[06:22] <nikkia> _rikva: lots of controls in kcontrol for kdm are overriden by the current theme
[06:22] <nikkia> (that's KDM theme, not KDE theme :)
[06:23] <_rikva> nikkia: ok, and how can I change those controls? (for example, the welcome text)
[06:23] <nikkia> either disable the theme in the kdmrc file, or change the theme
[06:23] <_rikva> ah
[06:23] <nikkia> the theme *can* use the defined welcome text, its up to the theme :)
[06:24] <_rikva> I'll just change the theme :)
[06:30] <hussam> I'm getting timeouts on archive.ubuntu.com when it resolves to 82.211.81.182. 
[06:31] <hussam> It timeouts every single time.
[06:31] <hussam>  82.211.81.151 is still however accessible.
[06:31] <rikva> changing the kdm theme doesn't work, so I'll try the kdmrc file...
[06:32] <rikva> kdmrc says I've selected the lipstik theme, which is true, but it looks still the sane
[06:33] <rikva> same
[06:33] <mikmak> hi guys
[06:33] <mikmak> just wanted to let you know that amarok is absolutely _unusable_
[06:33] <mikmak> none of the engine work
[06:34] <mikmak> at least it does not crash (for a change), but don't even try to play a stream
[06:34] <rikva> mikmak: the xine engine also?
[06:34] <mikmak> hmm I dont have that one, let me try
[06:34] <rikva> maybe you need to apt-get it
[06:34] <mikmak> btw, gstreamer does not find alsa apparently
[06:34] <mikmak> yes
[06:34] <_stefan> can someone tell em how I do vncserver starting up during booting?
[06:35] <rikva> xine is the only engine that works correctly for me
[06:35] <mikmak> last time I tried it was not able to play a stream as well
[06:35] <mikmak> that was on debian ...
[06:35] <_stefan> I mean automated start of vncserver
[06:35] <rikva> mikmak: strange, what kind of streams? shoutcast?
[06:36] <mikmak> well, apt-get install amarok-xine; amarok, no xine engine found ;)
[06:36] <mikmak> rikva: DI.fm ones
[06:36] <rikva> mikmak: never used those
[06:36] <mikmak> they are in the default list of streams
[06:37] <rikva> does amarok have default streams? =|
[06:37] <mikmak> yes, in the playlist browser they have a list
[06:38] <mikmak> "Cool streams"
[06:38] <rikva> ah i see
[06:38] <mikmak> ho the xine engine works
[06:38] <rikva> they work with xine :)
[06:38] <mikmak> so : artsd engine does not work, gstreamer does not work and gstreamer does not find alsa
[06:38] <mikmak> only 3 bugs in one ;)
[06:38] <rikva> IMHO tha arts engine sucks with amarok, too unstable and slow
[06:39] <libben> whats best for remote controlling ur box ?
[06:39] <libben> vnc?
[06:39] <mikmak> well, why do they keep distributing it then
[06:39] <mikmak> just drop it
[06:39] <rikva> the only thing about the xine engine that sucks is that it doesn't support fading
[06:39] <rikva> libben: FreeNX
[06:39] <mikmak> I dont think distributing broken things is a good idea
[06:39] <mikmak> especially since xine does not seem to be installed by default
[06:39] <rikva> maybe it works for some people
[06:40] <mikmak> well, all I can hear all over the place about amarok is "it does not work" or "it crashed"
[06:40] <mikmak> most people I know that used it and dropping it these days
[06:40] <mikmak> s/and/are/
[06:40] <rikva> that is a serious problem
[06:40] <libben> freenx ?
[06:40] <rikva> libben: yepp, it's faster than VNC
[06:40] <mikmak> rikva: it's an upstream problem actually
[06:41] <mikmak> rikva: I dont think amarok developers are going the right way ...
[06:41] <libben> and what do i need on the other machine when remoting ? same program or as vnc style? a freenx viewer ? and a freenx server ?
[06:41] <rikva> mikmak: why, they don't make the engines
[06:41] <rikva> libben: a freenx client. They are available for windows and linux and propably mac
[06:41] <libben> k
[06:42] <mikmak> well, instead of doing 10 engines than don't work, they'd better do only one that really works ...
[06:42] <libben> got nxserver and freenx?
[06:42] <rikva> libben: http://www.nomachine.com/
[06:42] <libben> i just need to install freenx?
[06:42] <rikva> brb
[06:42] <mikmak> and some time ago, the gstreamer one was working just fine (with gstreamer 0.8), so I can guess it's more amarok's fault than gstreamer ...
[06:43] <libben> nx is free?
[06:43] <rikva> libben: I don't know, I think just freenx
[06:44] <rikva> mikmak: maybe you should ask in #amarok ;)
[06:44] <libben> hmm
[06:44] <libben> freenx aint the same on the site nomachine?
[06:45] <rikva> libben: you only need freenx to share your pc
[06:45] <mikmak> well, the usual answer is "yes we know"
[06:45] <myth8y> Hi, when I try to open a apps who need root access (like kynaptic) they ask me the password, but always say Conservation with su failed... some know what to do?
[06:45] <rikva> libben: it is free :)
[06:45] <libben> rikva: on the site the version is like 1.5 something
[06:45] <libben> in apt its 0.3
[06:46] <rikva> libben: There was something with 2 versions, and I think there is one 'free' version and one payd version
[06:46] <rikva> libben: anyway it works great, I use it on regular base
[06:46] <libben> k
[06:46] <libben> so what to download then on the windows machine when i wanna remote my box?
[06:47] <rikva> libben: http://www.nomachine.com/download_client_windows.php
[06:47] <rikva> I'm away
[06:47] <libben> one last q
[06:47] <libben> is it a installer
[06:47] <rikva> hurry ;)
[06:47] <libben> or just a running file ?
[06:47] <rikva> the client is a installer
[06:47] <libben> the win one
[06:48] <libben> hmm.. my friends hate that
[06:48] <libben> thats why xvnc_viewer owns
[06:48] <rikva> maybe there is a standalone client
[06:48] <rikva> i know what you mean
[06:48] <rikva> so you can carry it easily  on your usb stick
[06:48] <rikva> good luck
[06:48] <libben> true true
[06:50] <myth8y> Hi, when I try to open a apps who need root access (like kynaptic) they ask me the password, but always say Conservation with su failed... some know what to do?
[06:52] <apokryphos> myth8y: are you on hoary?
[06:52] <myth8y> breezy... but its a update from hoary
[06:53] <apokryphos> myth8y: shouldn't matter, really. Mind you, Adept is the default Package Manager in Breezy
[06:53] <apokryphos> what happens when you alt+f2 -> kdesu (say) kynaptic
[06:54] <myth8y> yeah but not only for kynaptic... its everything
[06:54] <apokryphos> obviously don't put the say in there :P
[06:54] <apokryphos> ok
[06:54] <myth8y> su return with a error
[06:55] <apokryphos> myth8y: did you get kde from the repositories?
[06:55] <myth8y> yes
[06:56] <apokryphos> You didn't mix anything? If you're getting that su error on kdesu <something> it kind of suggests you don't have the patched kdesu (which Kubuntu has)
[06:58] <Chousuke> Adept?
[06:58] <Chousuke> Yet another frontend to a frontend to a frontend?
[06:59] <jpatrick> Chousuke: kynaptic replacement
[06:59] <apokryphos> err, no
[06:59] <apokryphos> Chousuke: a front-end to apt, simply.
[06:59] <mornfall> Chousuke: it'd be better if you knew what you were talking about
[06:59] <apokryphos> libapt
[06:59] <Chousuke> I do know. mostly.
[06:59] <Chousuke> I made a slightly sarcastic joke.
[07:00] <myth8y> something what patch?
[07:00] <Chousuke> Apt is a frontend to dpkg and Adept is a frontend to Apt. 
[07:00] <mornfall> Chousuke: and apt-get is frontend to Apt, yes... so what?
[07:01] <Chousuke> I didn't say it mattered.
[07:01] <Chousuke> I think frontends are good.
[07:01] <mornfall> (and apt being a dpkg frontend is stretching it a bit, too)
[07:01] <Chousuke> Yes.
[07:02] <Chousuke> I shoud save money to buy myself a x86 system.
[07:02] <Chousuke> an*
[07:02] <Chousuke> and should* :P
[07:02] <Chousuke> I kind of miss Ubuntu.
[07:02] <Chousuke> Using OS X now.
[07:02] <mornfall> erm, isn't there a kubuntu/ppc?
[07:03] <apokryphos> there is
[07:03] <Chousuke> Yes.
[07:03] <Chousuke> But I don't think Linux on PPC is very good.
[07:04] <mornfall> s/on PPC // ;-)
[07:04] <Chousuke> mornfall: ha. 
[07:04] <mornfall> haha.
[07:04] <Chousuke> I like Ubuntu though.
[07:04] <Chousuke> a solid OS.
[07:05] <Ubel> I like MacOS X it has a nice wallpaper
[07:05] <Chousuke> If they keep improving like this, I can't wait to see what it will be in a few years from now.
[07:05] <Chousuke> Ubel: Yes.
[07:05] <apokryphos> Ubel: surely that can't be a valid reason for liking an OS ;-)
[07:05] <Chousuke> Ubuntu should change the colour theme.
[07:06] <Ubel> well, sometimes that seems to be the reason why everyone loves macos x :)
[07:06] <Chousuke> of course, blue isn't very.. human.
[07:06] <Chousuke> but it looks good compared to brown.
[07:06] <Ubel> I just installed kubuntu few days ago, I have been using KDE since beta 3 (pre 1) but haven't used it lately and uff.. it has matured
[07:06] <Ubel> I really like KDE or maybe it's just because I missed it
[07:06] <Ubel> I don't know
[07:06] <apokryphos> because it's great ;-)
[07:07] <Ubel> well - it also feels more like a "real" product
[07:07] <Chousuke> I'll give KDE a shot once KDE4 is out.
[07:07] <Ubel> I like gnome though too
[07:07] <Chousuke> Yes, gnome is good. 
[07:07] <Chousuke> Simple and all that.
[07:07] <Ubel> yes but KDE is getting more simple
[07:07] <Ubel> Konqueror is usable now for example :)
[07:08] <Ubel> I mean when I right click on a folder for example I don't get tons of stuff
[07:08] <Chousuke> Good.
[07:08] <Chousuke> Simple is good.
[07:08] <Ubel> and the settings menu is usable
[07:09] <apokryphos> simplicity is good to a certain extent
[07:09] <Chousuke> Yes.
[07:09] <apokryphos> where you sacrifice decent features for simplicity it evidently goes too far
[07:09] <Chousuke> OS X has the balance quite well.
[07:09] <Ubel> apokryphos: you think gnome has gone that far?
[07:09] <apokryphos> and apparently this is the case for much of the opinion of gnome in the 1.XX -> 2
[07:09] <Chousuke> It's simple, but amazingly powerful.
[07:10] <Ubel> apokryphos: for example?
[07:10] <apokryphos> Ubel: they lost a *lot* of their most valuable users there, with the change of the WM etc
[07:10] <Chousuke> You only need one app besides the default install and it becomes a power user's dream. :)
[07:10] <othernoob> what's the difference between the breezy preview and the final result?
[07:10] <Ubel> ah ok
[07:10] <Chousuke> Well, I'm speaking for myself :p
[07:10] <Ubel> I used to be the guy who liked to configure everything - but now I don't want to
[07:10] <mornfall> would that be quicksilver, Chousuke?
[07:10] <Chousuke> Indeed.
[07:10] <apokryphos> Chousuke: OS X does indeed look nice; if I were rich enough, I'd have one too 8)
[07:11] <Ubel> so I would rather choose good defaults than alot of options
[07:11] <Chousuke> A brilliant application.
[07:11] <jpatrick> Katapult!
[07:11] <mornfall> jpatrick: weak
[07:11] <Ubel> what is katapult?
[07:11] <mornfall> jpatrick: try quicksilver :)
[07:11] <apokryphos> !katapult
[07:11] <ubotu> Katapult is an application for KDE designed to provide faster access to applications, bookmarks and other items. Once you've installed it, alt+f2 ->katapult, then hit Alt+Space.
[07:11] <Chousuke> wow.
[07:12] <mornfall> jpatrick: (well, even quicksilver was kind-of weak last time i checked)
[07:12] <Ubel> call me clever, but I somehow knew that Katapault was a KDE program.... humm... don't know how
[07:12] <Chousuke> Quicksilver has tons of uses.
[07:12] <Ubel> so Quicksilver is similar to katapult?
[07:12] <jpatrick> Ubel: The K?
[07:12] <apokryphos> Ubel: it's that psychic antenna you got yourself
[07:12] <Ubel> hehehe
[07:12] <Chousuke> Katapult is similar to Quicksilver :P
[07:12] <Ubel> I guess it was the K
[07:13] <mornfall> Chousuke: it's a weak ripoff, you mean ;p
[07:13] <Chousuke> Quicksilver acts kind of like unix pipes. only for GUI apps.
[07:13] <Xorlev> Okay, since #ubuntu is being unhelpful, I just marked an upgrade and found X as an upgrade...any issues with the upgrade?
[07:13] <apokryphos> apparently, yeah
[07:13] <apokryphos> earlier on today the topic was that X was broken, so "don't be silly"
[07:14] <Xorlev> I did not see the topic change.
[07:14] <othernoob> what's the difference between the breezy preview and the final result?
[07:14] <mornfall> OH. MY. GOODNESS.
[07:14] <Xorlev> More stable? Less bugs? :P
[07:14] <Ubel> mornfall: ?
[07:15] <othernoob> Xorlev: probably, but less guessing, more knowing would be nice..
[07:15] <mornfall> http://ipcf.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[07:15] <apokryphos> ipcf, yeah, seen that
[07:15] <apokryphos> work on kubuntu is gonna be done for that, IIRC
[07:15] <mornfall> apokryphos: by whom?
[07:16] <mornfall> apokryphos: and, well, IMHO, the idea is pretty daft :)
[07:16] <apokryphos> mornfall: it was mentioned in -devel earlier by \sh
[07:16] <Ubel> the truth is I guess, we don't know I guess. It should be more stable and have less bugs but who knows, maybe they are planing the opposite?
[07:16] <mornfall> bugs for everyone!
[07:18] <apokryphos> Ubel: it's already ten-times more stable than preview was :)
[07:19] <Ubel> damn :)
[07:19] <Ubel> hehe
[07:20] <mornfall> erh, i need to write bsd/gnu portable .zshrc
[07:34] <Jeezis> i "upgraded" to kde 3.5 beta and it's been giving me problems left and right...is there any way to downgrade back to 3.4?
[07:35] <Jeezis> or should i just tough it out and keep with 3.5?
[07:35] <Chousuke> Jeezis: it'll be difficult to downgrade.
[07:36] <Jeezis> Chousuke: i figured as much :-/
[07:36] <Jeezis> i guess i'll just stick with it and hope for more stability to come soon
[07:38] <_nyn_> i'm trying to send from my own system (postfix) rather than using a webmail interface. in my mail.log, i get "connect to yahoo.com[[...] ] : server dropped connection without sending the initial SMT greeting". any pointers? (i'm a total email newbie)
[07:46] <jpatrick> Jeezis: I like it :)
[07:46] <Jeezis> jpatrick: what, the instability? :-p
[07:47] <jpatrick> Well yeah of course :)
[07:47] <jpatrick> ;)
[07:47] <Jeezis> i like it too, it has some neat new little features, i just wish it would be more stable!
[07:47] <Jeezis> it freezes any time i try and edit the k menu and randomly doing other things as well
[07:53] <ubuntu> algun espa;ol
[07:53] <ubuntu> o latino para que me ayude
[07:54] <Chousuke> sorry, English only.
[07:54] <Chousuke> #kubuntu-es or something.
[07:54] <Ubel> vale vale val
[07:54] <Ubel> e
[08:23] <blueyed> I want to upgrade to 3.5beta1. Is there somebody where it runs quite stable?
[08:23] <blueyed> Seems like kdetoys depends on another libc...?!
[08:25] <Lars_G> Your favorite newcomer is back
[08:42] <edip> can anybody help me with installing xmms skin?
[08:44] <edip> can anybody help me with installing xmms skin?
[08:45] <gdh> Hm is there an echo here?
[08:45] <Tm_T> Hm is there an echo here?
[08:45] <Tm_T> "whoa!"
[08:45] <gdh> :D
[08:46] <edip> PLEASE,can anybody help me with installing xmms skin?
[08:46] <lunitik> edip: read the readme file.
[08:46] <othernoob> does anyone have any idea how to kill a process if kill, kill -9, killall and pkill did not work?
[08:47] <lunitik> Riddell: you around yet by chance?
[08:47] <edip> but it couldnt help me.
[08:47] <lunitik> othernoob: pkill -9 is most severer... if that doesn't work... you'll need to restart to terminate the process...
[08:48] <othernoob> tried that as well and it didn't work..meh.. :/
[08:48] <lunitik> edip: most here probably use Amarok... maybe try dpkg -L and see where XMMS seemed to put its default theme?
[08:48] <lunitik> edip: 'dpkg -L xmms' ...
[08:49] <edip> ok, good idea!
[08:49] <edip> thanx
[08:50] <othernoob> lunitik: any idea why a process may not be killable?
[08:50] <lunitik> othernoob: look up 'zombie process' to learn about what happened... 
[08:51] <lunitik> othernoob: basically... sometimes a parent process dies and doesn't kill its child... parent needs to be killed, but cannot be in this curcumstance...
[08:53] <othernoob> i see..
[08:54] <othernoob> well, gonna reboot later when i'm done with work then.. thanks for the explanation :)
[08:54] <lunitik> othernoob: you're welcome  :)
[08:54] <blueyed> 3.5b1 running :) looks really more polished.
[08:55] <_blake> ok, so I am trying to install this market analysis program, but it requires libodbc.so.1  So I follow the very simple instructions and compile and install this library 
[08:55] <lunitik> blueyed: bah... issue here with panel  :(
[08:55] <lunitik> blueyed: won't load  :(
[08:55] <_blake> but the market analysis program keeps giving me "requires libraries not found : libodbc.so.1"
[08:55] <lunitik> _blake: apt-cache search odbc :/
[08:55] <Riddell> lunitik: hi
[08:56] <blueyed> I'm just wondering why all the kdetoys apps depend on libc6 >= 2.3.4-1 ?!
[08:56] <Riddell> blueyed: hoary or breezy?
[08:56] <lunitik> Riddell: hey... having issue with kde's panel with beta... known issue? anything I might do to try and fix it?
[08:56] <Riddell> lunitik: hoary?
[08:57] <lunitik> Riddell: breezy
[08:57] <lunitik> Riddell: fresh install... only KDE thats been here is 3.5 beta 1
[08:57] <blueyed> lunitik: but not the taskbar panel? just have that one..
[08:57] <Riddell> lunitik: hmm, I've seen that happen in hoary, not in breezy yet
[08:58] <Riddell> and I'm afraid I couldn't work it out at the time
[08:58] <blueyed> lunitik: have you upgraded kdetoys also?
[08:58] <blueyed> hoary
[08:58] <lunitik> blueyed: nope... currently only have kubuntu-desktop installed...
[08:59] <lunitik> Riddell: also... when will the new kdenetwork be getting into your repo?
[08:59] <Riddell> lunitik: as soon as someone packages it
[08:59] <lunitik> Riddell: ahh... no plans for you to do so yet?
[09:00] <Riddell> lunitik: I'm kindae busy with removing bugs from breezy, which is the priority at the moment
[09:00] <Riddell> lunitik: what the error loading tha panel?
[09:00] <lunitik> Riddell: ahh... suppose so... then all shift to 3.5?  :)
[09:01] <lunitik> Riddell: hold on... let me go bring it up again
[09:01] <Riddell> lunitik: yes, post breezy 3.5 will be done properly
[09:02] <_blake> lunitik, i am an idiot...  nevermind
[09:02] <lunitik> Riddell: "Cannot start process Cannot talk to klauncher"
[09:02] <othernoob> when's breezy out? 13th?
[09:02] <Riddell> lunitik: yeah.  does other stuff start?
[09:03] <lunitik> Riddell: kdesktop seems to be fine (right click menu seems to work, other than configure background) ... run seems to work... but nothing else really...
[09:03] <Riddell> I wonder if that's a problem for new users
[09:03] <blueyed> Riddell: is it a packaging problem that the kdetoys apps require libc >= 2.3.4-1 ? It's not really important here, but if you could take a look at it.
[09:03] <lunitik> Riddell: ps, the graphics with kdm etc... will these be used in breezy release?
[09:04] <lunitik> Riddell: they look really clean... very nice  :)
[09:04] <myth8y> Hi, when I try to open a apps who need root access (like kynaptic) they ask me the password, but always say Conservation with su failed... some know what to do?
[09:05] <lunitik> myth8y: you are typing _YOUR_ password?
[09:05] <myth8y> yes
[09:05] <myth8y> in konsole its work #1
[09:05] <_jonas> are you using su or sudo?
[09:06] <lunitik> myth8y: strange... I think that is a known issue though...
[09:06] <myth8y> su
[09:06] <Riddell> lunitik: I just tried with a new user and I do get that error.  nasty
[09:06] <Riddell> blueyed: what libc does hoary come with?
[09:06] <_jonas> have you ever tried sudo to type your password?
[09:06] <lunitik> Riddell: indeed... maybe you can post kde user config's for the time being so it can be functional here? (a tar.gz somewhere of needed stuff)
[09:07] <price> hi
[09:07] <Riddell> lunitik: I think it's the fifo's and pipes in /tmp that are the problem
[09:07] <myth8y> myth8y is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[09:08] <price> with startx i have this error:
[09:08] <price> Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed'; the X server's font paths might be misconfigured, remote font server(s) may be unreachable, and/or local fonts may not be installed or are not configured correctly.
[09:08] <price> What can i do?
[09:08] <blueyed> Riddell: 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13
[09:09] <price> ( with breezy)
[09:09] <Riddell> blueyed: tsk.  don't fancy recompiling them for us then do you?
[09:09] <lunitik> Riddell: helpful to post what is created here in /tmp?
[09:10] <blueyed> myth8y: see /etc/sudoers.
[09:10] <seth_k> price, that's a super old error. Read the forums... just do a 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[09:10] <blueyed> myth8y: have you created a new user account after kubuntu installation?
[09:10] <myth8y> well i create myth8y during the installation
[09:11] <lunitik> price: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig ... also, check the top of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, and ensure it points to correct paths...
[09:11] <myth8y> root    ALL=(ALL) ALL <-- its the only cmd in sudoers
[09:11] <lunitik> myth8y: add your user... same syntax with the 'ALL's
[09:12] <price> thanks i go to try
[09:13] <blueyed> Riddell: what do you mean? If I should recompile/package them? I could, with some help.
[09:13] <myth8y> Hell damn ur the best :)
[09:13] <lunitik> myth8y: ;)
[09:14] <lunitik> myth8y: debconf rules if you know how to use it... and hell, its pretty damn useful even if you don't  :)
[09:14] <myth8y> i'll read the man for this
[09:15] <lunitik> wait... your the person with the sudo issues... haha... nm
[09:15] <lunitik> you're*
[09:15] <Bicchi> when is the patch for firefox going to be put on ubuntu?
[09:15] <myth8y> and mmm a other question, why can't I have my hard drive in media:/ ?
[09:16] <lunitik> myth8y: I believe media:/ is a kio for removable storage only...
[09:16] <myth8y> ok, but in some distrib they have the hard drive in the desktop, and we only have to click on them to mount... did u know how i can do that?
[09:16] <lunitik> myth8y: system:/ I think is what you want
[09:17] <lunitik> myth8y: right click > configure desktop > icons ... click all that you want to show up
[09:17] <lunitik> myth8y: thats from memory... but it should be pretty straight forward...
[09:18] <lunitik> Its the 3rd tab you want though... might not be called icons...
[09:18] <blueyed> Bicchi: I thought I've just installed 1.0.7 from hoary-security
[09:19] <myth8y> behavior, devine icon... i check them all, but its dont show... only my usb key
[09:19] <blueyed> Bicchi: but it conflicted with 1.0.6 from backports. Do you use backports?
[09:19] <lunitik> myth8y: put in a cd... should show... I know you can select harddrive in there also...
[09:19] <Bicchi> blueeyed: its not pulling it from the default repository.
[09:20] <Bicchi> blueyed: i guess that is why.
[09:20] <myth8y> the cd work, but not the hd
[09:23] <blueyed> Bicchi: I've used "dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox*, and then apt-get removed firefox (so now I just have package mozilla-firefox).
[09:24] <Bicchi> blueyed: Sounds like too much trouble to go thru. I think i am just going to wait until the official release gets posted. 
[09:26] <blueyed> Bicchi: it's the official one. You have problems because of backports. You'll probably have to wait until backports gets it.
[09:32] <Bicchi> blueyed: i am lost now, what are backports? I have a different idea of what back ports are.
[09:33] <Riddell> blueyed: apt-get source kdenetwork; cd kdenetwork-<tab>; debuild
[09:34] <[square] > hello
[09:34] <Bicchi> blueyed: brb
[09:34] <[square] > in breezy, instead of mouse i see a big square
[09:35] <[square] > and then i see desktop repeated in small part
[09:35] <[square] > what can i do?
[09:42] <edulix> hi !
[09:42] <blueyed> Riddell: kdenetworks? You probably mean kdetoys?
[09:42] <edulix> I'm using kubuntu as my main distro, I have hoary. how risky is to install breezy, is it more or less usable ?
[09:43] <nalioth> edulix: i wouldn't put it on a machine you depend on
[09:43] <jrattner1> The future, proper
[09:43] <blueyed> I've just install debhelper and cdbs from breezy because oif dependecy problems, but updating autoconf2.13 to breezy keeps saying "dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting."
[09:43] <rrichie> hi i'm trying kde 3.5b1 but it says i don't have unistd.h. Do you know which package contains it?
[09:43] <rrichie> euh ... i'm trying breezy
[09:44] <blueyed> Bicchi: ubuntu-backports are alternative sources that provide recent versions of packages that are not security relevant.
[09:44] <edulix> nalioth: there are some things like last skype deb that don't work in hoary
[09:44] <blueyed> edulix: quite some people already use it, me not (I did so at the beginning :o)). I would wait.
[09:45] <nalioth> edulix: i put it on one of my machines, and really wish i hadnt
[09:45] <edulix> maybe if I just update to kde 3.5b1.. what about it?
[09:46] <edulix> nalioth: do you already use kde3.5b1?
[09:48] <Riddell> blueyed: err, yes
[09:48] <blueyed> Riddell: what about the autoconf issue?
[09:49] <Riddell> blueyed: which issue?
[09:49] <nalioth> edulix: no i dont, i'm underpriveleged (use powerpc platform)
[09:49] <blueyed> Riddell: "Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting."
[09:49] <edulix> ohh
[09:52] <Riddell> blueyed: apt-get install the dependencies then :)
[09:54] <blueyed> Riddell: but which? http://pastebin.com/372270
[09:54] <Bicchi> blueyed: How does one enables backports; Is it just like enabling universe?
[09:55] <nalioth> !tell Bicchi about backports
[09:55] <blueyed> !tell blueyed about backports
[09:55] <blueyed> Bicchi: please check if you have it enabled.
[09:55] <Riddell> blueyed: apt-get remove autoconf2.13
[09:56] <blueyed> Bicchi: or paste the output of "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[09:58] <blueyed> Riddell: damn. That was not clear. But too easy.. :)
[10:03] <blueyed> Riddell: packages are build. Are you now interested in them? Or should I just use them locally?
[10:10] <Abdul_Mueid> Hello everyone!
[10:11] <Abdul_Mueid> Guys
[10:11] <Abdul_Mueid> anyone already using KDE 3.5 Beta already here?
[10:11] <Tm_T> already no already ;)
[10:11] <Abdul_Mueid> lol
[10:12] <Tm_T> I bet someone does
[10:12] <Abdul_Mueid> as I thought, attention catcher :P
[10:12] <apokryphos> yes, several in here
[10:12] <Abdul_Mueid> anyway, I wanna know if it is stable enough to *just* run
[10:12] <Abdul_Mueid> lol, I cant really make up my mind about it
[10:13] <apokryphos> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=67800
[10:13] <Abdul_Mueid> because just last week I downloaded about 700MB of updates when updating to Breezy
[10:14] <Riddell> blueyed: sure, put them on a web server somewhere
[10:14] <Abdul_Mueid> anyone to give me first hand live experience from KDE 3.5?
[10:15] <apokryphos> Abdul_Mueid: did you check that link? Many opinions there
[10:15] <jsubl2> I have  a few extra days off.. I have printed off the newDebianMaintainers guide.  any ideas on what i could package
[10:15] <apokryphos> so far, it's running good, definitely stable here
[10:15] <apokryphos> jsubl2: yup, lemme get you a link
[10:15] <jsubl2> cool
[10:16] <Abdul_Mueid> how many MB's to download?
[10:16] <Abdul_Mueid> apokryphos: I am tight on bandwidth
[10:16] <apokryphos> jsubl2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuSuggestedPackages
[10:16] <apokryphos> Abdul_Mueid: you can check
[10:16] <jsubl2> thanks apokryphos 
[10:16] <apokryphos> jsubl2: you may want to read this as well https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackagingGuide
[10:17] <jsubl2> ok will do
[10:18] <blueyed> Riddell: http://codeprobe.de/pub/kubuntu/kdetoys_hoary_kde35b1/
[10:22] <apokryphos> blueyed: hm, you packaged that? kdetoys 3.5 is already in..
[10:23] <blueyed> apokryphos: but with wrong depends on libc
[10:23] <apokryphos> oop, ok
[10:23] <blueyed> apokryphos: don't know if everything is right now though.. :)
[10:25] <apokryphos> Might as well get a hoary chroot running again; can test there
[10:25] <apokryphos> blueyed: mind you, I'm responsible for the wrong depends there :P
[10:31] <duende> anyone have problems with kde 3.5 b1 during startup involving klauncher?
[10:32] <Riddell> blueyed: do you have hoary-updates and security in your apt lines?
[10:33] <blueyed> Riddell: yes, I think so: http://codeprobe.de/pub/sources.list
[10:38] <lunitik> duende: yes... breezy here... Riddell reports same issue with Hoary... doesn't know how to fix currently.
[10:38] <lunitik> duende: seems to only occur with new users...
[10:39] <apokryphos> isn't the "cannot talk to klauncher" a DCOP issue?
[10:39] <apokryphos> (generally)
[10:40] <apokryphos> I remember having it ages in the past; dcop couldn't be talked to properly, though restarting dcop didn't help, IIRC.
[10:41] <lunitik> apokryphos: what is 'messagebus' something new? maybe thats at fault?
[10:42] <apokryphos> no idea; I'd guess something associated with d-bus, but that's chasing for the wind. :)
[10:42] <lunitik> actually... thats not the package name... but its something like that....
[10:43] <lunitik> apokryphos: grrr... I don't see it via dpkg -l ... but I saw it install  :/
[10:44] <lunitik> apokryphos: thats what I figured too... most annoying bug though..
[10:44] <apokryphos> lunitik: when does it happen, exactly? On the upgrade?
[10:44] <apokryphos> does it persist?
[10:45] <lunitik> apokryphos: you manage to get 3.5beta1 packages installed by chance... what are your circumstances? maybe I can do the same to get them working...
[10:45] <lunitik> apokryphos: seems to be for new users (never booted into kde before) ... this is a fresh install, so this would seem to fit...
[10:45] <lunitik> apokryphos: yes... happens every time I log into KDE...
[10:45] <nalioth> lunitik: source code would be nice for the powerpc users (3.5b1)
[10:46] <lunitik> apokryphos: right when it starts to load kde panel...
[10:46] <apokryphos> lunitik: can you verify that libs and base installed correctly?
[10:46] <apokryphos> A lot of users have had it all go really smoothly
[10:46] <apokryphos> both in here and on the forums (/msg ubotu kde3.5)
[10:46] <lunitik> apokryphos: only in that dpkg reports "ii" for both...
[10:46] <nikkia> hmmmm
[10:47] <apokryphos> lunitik: with the 3.5 sources in your sources.list, try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:47] <apokryphos> nikkia: hi =)
[10:47] <nikkia> hi apokryphos
[10:47] <apokryphos> how's it going?
[10:47] <nikkia> just got thru a marathon programming session for the dvd recorder :P
[10:47] <nikkia> its set to record a dozen or so programs thru til about tuesday :P
[10:47] <apokryphos> yeah, I thought you were a little quiet today 8)
[10:48] <apokryphos> hah
[10:48] <nalioth> nikkia: you goin on vacation?
[10:48] <lunitik> apokryphos: reports nothing to do
[10:48] <nikkia> nalioth: nah, i'm just lousy at remembering to record/watch stuff
[10:49] <lunitik> apokryphos: katapult is new?
[10:49] <lunitik> apokryphos: says its a launcher for kde... seems suspicious?
[10:49] <apokryphos> the app itself has been around for some time, but it's getting more development now
[10:49] <apokryphos> !katapult
[10:49] <ubotu> Katapult is an application for KDE designed to provide faster access to applications, bookmarks and other items. Once you've installed it, alt+f2 ->katapult, then hit Alt+Space.
[10:49] <nikkia> nalioth: this way, as long as i remember to transfer from the HDD->DVD i can program it a week or so in advance :)
[10:49] <nalioth> nikkia: hmmm
[10:50] <apokryphos> lunitik: meant to be similar to OS X's quicksilver
[10:50] <lunitik> apokryphos: not sure I'm familier with that either...
[10:50] <apokryphos> me neither :D, but it means something to a lot of people :P
[10:50] <lunitik> apokryphos: you're using Breezy and kubuntu.org source for kde3.5beta1?
[10:50] <apokryphos> yup
[10:51] <lunitik> apokryphos: upgrade from kde3.4.x?
[10:51] <nalioth> wtf is quicksilver?
[10:51] <nikkia> nalioth: i also ripped commercials out of a simpsons episode i recorded earlier, and was surprised at how easy the editing controls are, for a standalone device
[10:51] <lunitik> apokryphos: to recreate... create a new user... and try to log it into kde... according to Riddell... this works...
[10:51] <apokryphos> 3.4.2; I had a little trouble, actually, but once the packages were installed correctly it all went well
[10:51] <apokryphos> lunitik: to reproduce the problem? I could try that, I guess
[10:51] <lunitik> s/recreate/reproduce/
[10:51] <apokryphos> will do now
[10:52] <lunitik> apokryphos: yeah... tell me if you get the same thing  :)
[10:52] <apokryphos> d'oh
[10:52] <libben> I need to R.I.P a dvd for backup purpose.
[10:52] <apokryphos> that "Start New Session" has disappeared from the KMenu; the one time I need it :D
[10:53] <libben> wich programs?
[10:53] <lunitik> apokryphos: seems a temp fix would be to post a tar.gz of $HOME/.kderc etc...
[10:53] <libben> I need something like dvddecrypter for windows.
[10:53] <apokryphos> lunitik: could be; one sec, I'll brb, see if I can reproduce
[10:53] <lunitik> libben: download.com isn't enlightening?
[10:53] <nikkia> libben: DVD::Rip
[10:54] <nikkia> libben, or do you mean something FOR windows?
[10:54] <libben> i ment for my box. just named the dvddecrypter for windows cause that what im used to use. now i dont have windows anymore
[10:55] <libben> can dvd::rip burn also? is it with gui?
[10:55] <lunitik> libben: from hoary-extras ... 'libdvdcss' or somesuch
[10:55] <nikkia> libben, i believe it has a gui, and no, it can't burn, you would use k3b for that
[10:56] <nikkia> libben: http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/
[10:57] <libben> nothing that is in the repos ill guess,
[10:57] <libben> thxs nikkia ill have a look into it tomorow
[10:58] <nalioth> transcode, the evil dependency
[10:58] <lunitik> nalioth: its in hoary-extras... I think its in multiverse also?
[10:59] <lunitik> nalioth: yeah... its in multiverse...
[11:00] <nalioth> nalioth runs ppc and it's an evil dependency
[11:00] <lunitik> nalioth: ahh... ps, /me is what you likely wanted there...   ;)
[11:01] <lunitik> Although I'm toying with the idea of getting an Intel based Mac...
[11:01] <nalioth> lunitik: i dont get it
[11:01] <lunitik> Depends on price though...
[11:01] <lunitik> nalioth: you wrote your name... /me results in this:
[11:02] <lunitik> nalioth: just wondering why you used 3rd person  ;)
[11:02] <nalioth> ok well
[11:02] <nalioth> i'm goin now
[11:03] <nalioth> rita is not too far off
[11:03] <nalioth> y'all be good
[11:03] <tony> what's the sudo password for kubuntu?
[11:03] <nikkia> nalioth, leaving it a bit late aren't you ?
[11:03] <lunitik> tony: whatever you put for your user password
[11:03] <lunitik> !root
[11:03] <ubotu> root is, like, totally, disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:03] <nalioth> nikkia: late?
[11:03] <nalioth> late is in 5 hours
[11:03] <tony> it's not working
[11:03] <nikkia> nalioth: wait until you get on the roads :P
[11:04] <nalioth> nikkia: there are no roads
[11:04] <lunitik> tony: you'll need to boot to failsafe and edit /etc/sudoers then..
[11:04] <lunitik> tony: current account was the one you used to install?
[11:04] <lunitik> s/used to/created during/
[11:07] <tony> what do I put on sudoers? a password?
[11:07] <tony> forgive me, i'm a noob...
[11:10] <libben> sudoers?
[11:11] <tony> my su password isn't working...
[11:12] <morrow> just do "sudo -i"
[11:12] <tony> thanks
[11:12] <tony> thanks!!
[11:12] <libben> what does sudo -i does u might ask
[11:13] <tony> yes..
[11:13] <seth_k> logs you into a root shell
[11:13] <seth_k> because there is no root account in ubuntu
[11:13] <morrow> there is no password for the root account :)
[11:13] <libben> i usually type sudo -s
[11:14] <libben> is it the same as i?
[11:14] <apokryphos> ok, back
[11:14] <apokryphos> the bug's there. I tinkered with a few things; got that evil error to disappear, but then I'd keep getting kdesktop crash on startup
[11:14] <apokryphos> (and thus can't really login to kde)
[11:14] <tony> ho do i edit my xorg.conf file?
[11:14] <apokryphos> might fiddle a bit more later
[11:15] <apokryphos> tony: you can either use an editor to edit it directly, or you can use dpkg's reconfigure mechanism.
[11:15] <libben> type sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:15] <morrow> libben: sudo -i does initial login by calling login. sudo -s just starts another shell with old ENV variables... depends what you want.
[11:15] <apokryphos> lunitik: a nasty bug, indeed.
[11:16] <libben> so if i wanna install somethings with apt-get install and type sudo -s and then type the apt thing
[11:16] <libben> it can go wrong with the variables?
[11:17] <apokryphos> Also got kicker bug on this login now, http://giannaros.org/kickerbug.jpg
[11:17] <apokryphos> good thing about kicker bugs is that they almost always fix with a kicker restart (at most)
[11:18] <libben> hmm?
[11:18] <libben> kde 3.5 ?
[11:19] <apokryphos> yup
[11:19] <apokryphos> you can tell from the new pager ;-)
[11:20] <chavo> apokryphos, a lot of the time that kicker bug will fix itself after changing desktops
[11:20] <apokryphos> sure; I know. It fixes immediately with a hide/show
[11:47] <tony> Hello i'm using Kubuntu 5.10 the sudo password does'nt work HELP....
[11:48] <Xorlev> Shouldn't it be your user password?
[11:49] <tony> It doesn't work, I sign on OK but it does'nt work with sudo...
[11:50] <tony> I can use sudo -i , but I it doesn't work with kate. 
[11:50] <Xorlev> Hmm
[11:50] <tony> I trying to edit my xorg.conf file...
[11:51] <Xorlev> Try sudo nano xorg.conf
[11:52] <tony> That did it! thanks how can I fix the sudo issue?  any ideas?
[11:57] <czert> hi
[11:57] <blueyed> Wouldn't it be useful to have debug-enabled builds (for beta releases at least)? afaik would that make backtraces much more valuable. Konqui just crashed here, with no backtrace at all.
[11:58] <czert> can anybody help me?
[11:58] <czert> i am beginer with linux
[11:58] <duende> ask away
[11:58] <czert> and i need to know how to make run file to gnu pascal
[12:01] <gdh> People still use PASCAL?
[12:01] <gdh> I mean, other than Delphi.
[12:02] <czert> just for school
[12:02] <czert> for test and for getting on high school
[12:02] <czert> i mean university\