| lamont | dilinger: btw, would you happen to know: debian/2.6.12/ia64: working or no? | 12:05 |
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| BenC | lamont? | 12:36 |
| lamont | si? | 12:37 |
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| BenC | nevermind :) | 12:41 |
| BenC | lamont: do you know anyone besides neuro and elmo that handle the debian buildd's? | 12:42 |
| lamont | depends on what you mean by 'handle' | 12:43 |
| lamont | I do hppa/ia64 | 12:43 |
| BenC | someone that can setup auric as a sparc buildd | 12:43 |
| lamont | infinity is involved in m68k | 12:43 |
| lamont | sparc is elmo, iirc | 12:43 |
| BenC | ok | 12:43 |
| lamont | and auric would certainly be DSA-types | 12:43 |
| BenC | elmo has been MIA all day | 12:44 |
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| zul | evening | 04:10 |
| BenC | yo | 04:10 |
| zul | whats up | 04:10 |
| zul | i think we could try updating spca5x driver this weekend ;) | 04:18 |
| infinity | BenC : We have 1001 offers for sparc buildds, several of which are much beefier than auric, but I need to talk to elmo so see if we can get any going. | 04:49 |
| fabbione | morning guys | 06:38 |
| crimsun | morning | 06:38 |
| fabbione | BenC: sparc kernel is up :) | 06:38 |
| BenC | infinity: we have 2 buildd's now | 06:59 |
| BenC | infinity: and none of the offers I saw were worth anything | 07:00 |
| BenC | infinity: elmo already has auric going | 07:00 |
| BenC | fabbione: cool | 07:00 |
| BenC | auric is steadily building packages as we speak | 07:00 |
| fabbione | BenC: when do you plan to put your e3k back online? | 07:12 |
| BenC | after I move | 07:12 |
| BenC | hopefully in the next week | 07:12 |
| fabbione | ah cool | 07:12 |
| fabbione | i was expecting a 2 months movement ;) | 07:12 |
| fabbione | hmm i need to add the other buildd online | 07:12 |
| fabbione | we got 2 offered, but one (pretty fast) keep crashing | 07:12 |
| fabbione | i need to check on this on | 07:13 |
| fabbione | +e | 07:13 |
| fabbione | Setting up linux-image-2.6.12-9-sparc64 (2.6.12-9.14) ... | 07:13 |
| fabbione | vultus5:/# debootstrap breezy /mnt http://mirror.int.fabbione.net/ubuntu | 07:17 |
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| infinity | BenC : Well, one offer I saw was for a machine pretty much identical to auric, but with 2G of RAM. | 09:11 |
| infinity | Anyhow, it's the matter's well in hand, I don't much care. :) | 09:11 |
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| mjg59 | Bestest kernel EVAR. | 11:30 |
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| mjg59 | BenC: Uhm. Did you actually enable sk98lin in the .config? | 02:15 |
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| BenC | mjg59: that's a damn good question | 02:30 |
| BenC | and the answer would be no, but the upside is, 9.15 is going to upload in about 30 minutes | 03:00 |
| BenC | I forgot to enable ndiswrapper on amd64 aswell | 03:01 |
| mjg59 | Ha | 03:01 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Have you spoken to kamion? | 03:01 |
| BenC | no | 03:02 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Nothing should be uploaded to main at the moment unless you have clearance | 03:07 |
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| fabbione | BenC: hold on.. wouldn't be an idea to do a test build around with that config change first? | 03:11 |
| fabbione | are we sure that driver build everywhere? | 03:11 |
| BenC | sk98lin? | 03:11 |
| BenC | it will only be building everywhere skge and sky2 were building | 03:12 |
| BenC | well, that's probably everywhere except hppa, atm | 03:12 |
| fabbione | that includes sparc too | 03:12 |
| BenC | I'm talking to Kamion first | 03:12 |
| zul | hey | 03:12 |
| BenC | I know it builds on sparc | 03:12 |
| BenC | used it before on sparc64 | 03:13 |
| BenC | hey zul | 03:13 |
| fabbione | BenC: hmm ok | 03:13 |
| fabbione | should i run a test build for the sake of god? | 03:13 |
| BenC | hold a sec | 03:13 |
| fabbione | sure | 03:13 |
| BenC | well, green light for 9.15 upload | 03:17 |
| BenC | fabbione: changes commited | 03:17 |
| fabbione | BenC: did you add the drivers to the udebs? | 03:17 |
| fabbione | so that also the installer can actually use it? | 03:17 |
| BenC | no, wasn't aware of that...let me do that | 03:17 |
| fabbione | do you know how? | 03:18 |
| fabbione | otherwise i can do it on the fly | 03:18 |
| BenC | got it | 03:18 |
| BenC | nic-modules, right? | 03:18 |
| BenC | is that the only place? | 03:19 |
| BenC | also, what does the question mark in "foo ?" mean in that file? | 03:19 |
| fabbione | debian/d-i/shared/something... | 03:19 |
| fabbione | foo <- the module MUST be there | 03:19 |
| BenC | ah | 03:19 |
| fabbione | foo ? <- include it if it's there otherwise skip it.. no failure | 03:19 |
| fabbione | so you must add a ? | 03:19 |
| fabbione | since not all arches will ship this module, right? | 03:20 |
| BenC | right | 03:20 |
| BenC | ok, got that in too | 03:21 |
| fabbione | updating the local tree | 03:22 |
| BenC | too about 15 minutes to collect the abi files for all 6 arches | 03:23 |
| BenC | took* | 03:23 |
| fabbione | given that all of them do actually build. otherwise you are in trouble :) | 03:24 |
| fabbione | oh crap | 03:24 |
| fabbione | i forgot to switch archive | 03:24 |
| BenC | fabbione: so you said 2.6.14 should be done like 2.6.14-2.6.13.90-X.Y until 2.6.14 final, right? | 03:27 |
| fabbione | no i suggest you use something like 2.6.13.90 | 03:27 |
| fabbione | as major upstream | 03:28 |
| fabbione | never put the final, until it's final | 03:28 |
| BenC | well, I was going to call it linux-source-2.6.14 | 03:28 |
| BenC | but the version would start at 2.6.13.90 | 03:28 |
| fabbione | hmmm oh yeah | 03:28 |
| fabbione | sorry.. that's right | 03:28 |
| BenC | ok | 03:28 |
| fabbione | just be sure that other than source, there is nothing that shows up as 2.6.14 | 03:29 |
| BenC | actually going to do .92 for -rc2, .93 for -rc3, etc | 03:29 |
| BenC | right | 03:29 |
| fabbione | otherwise people will harass you badly | 03:29 |
| fabbione | BenC: it's a good idea after you branch, to do baz cachereb | 03:30 |
| fabbione | meh | 03:30 |
| fabbione | cacherev | 03:30 |
| fabbione | otherwise it takes ages to switch/checkout | 03:30 |
| BenC | does changelog Closes entries actually close bugzilla bugs? | 03:31 |
| fabbione | nope | 03:32 |
| fabbione | bugzilla does nothing | 03:32 |
| BenC | ok, it's uploaded, I had to get it quickly so Kamion wasn't holding off Colony 5 forever | 03:33 |
| fabbione | ah ok | 03:34 |
| fabbione | well than i won't bother to build | 03:34 |
| fabbione | we will see what the buildd will say | 03:34 |
| fabbione | if it breaks, you better get ready to upload again :) | 03:35 |
| zul | meh...i have to fix that audigy bug | 03:35 |
| BenC | for some reason, I knew I was going to have to do a 9.15 today | 03:35 |
| fabbione | zul: what bug? | 03:35 |
| fabbione | i have a audigy here... | 03:35 |
| fabbione | BenC: it's always like this .. | 03:36 |
| fabbione | specially when you approach release | 03:36 |
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| zul | fabbione: some pci ids were removed from the audigy driver in 2.6.12 they are back in 2.6.13 | 03:36 |
| fabbione | zul: ENOCARE :) works for m | 03:37 |
| fabbione | +e | 03:37 |
| fabbione | including remote control | 03:37 |
| zul | and my boss uses audigy on his computer at home and he knows im on the kernel team | 03:37 |
| zul | blah.. | 03:37 |
| fabbione | zul: tsk :P | 03:38 |
| fabbione | tell your boss to buy a better card | 03:38 |
| BenC | everyone that's on the "kernel team" needs to add themselves to the KernelTeam wiki page so I know who you all are :P | 03:38 |
| zul | i did :) | 03:38 |
| fabbione | BenC: he is on the kernel team | 03:38 |
| fabbione | speaking of which | 03:38 |
| fabbione | we need to clean it up a bit | 03:39 |
| BenC | I did a little | 03:39 |
| fabbione | can you remind me the URL? | 03:39 |
| BenC | I don't see any names on the KernelTeam page other than fabbione and myself | 03:39 |
| BenC | wiki.u.c/KernelTeam | 03:39 |
| fabbione | that's right... | 03:40 |
| fabbione | soon to be only yoouuuUUUUU | 03:40 |
| fabbione | but WTF | 03:40 |
| fabbione | we had a completely different page | 03:40 |
| fabbione | with a lot of links and shit | 03:41 |
| fabbione | where did it all go? | 03:41 |
| BenC | there's a diff URL in the topic | 03:41 |
| BenC | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeam | 03:41 |
| BenC | I didn't see that one | 03:41 |
| BenC | same page | 03:41 |
| BenC | that's the way I found it | 03:41 |
| BenC | only thing I changed was s/fabio/ben/ | 03:42 |
| fabbione | yeah i know | 03:42 |
| fabbione | it must have been when the wikis fetish BDSM guys did move to YET another WIKI | 03:42 |
| fabbione | we had all the policy and crap | 03:42 |
| BenC | http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/LinuxKernelRoadmap | 03:43 |
| BenC | there's that too | 03:43 |
| fabbione | yeah that's the specs from UDU | 03:43 |
| fabbione | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeamTasks?highlight=%28kernel%29 <- | 03:44 |
| fabbione | just search for kernel | 03:44 |
| fabbione | it will spit out shit | 03:44 |
| BenC | ok | 03:45 |
| BenC | need to get all those links in the KernelTeam page | 03:45 |
| BenC | KernelTeam is supposed to be the main page, right? | 03:45 |
| fabbione | they were there :/ | 03:45 |
| fabbione | yes | 03:45 |
| BenC | ok | 03:45 |
| fabbione | if you can, try to kill the links on how to build custom kernels | 03:46 |
| BenC | hopefully with 9.15 out, and Colony 5 building, I can take some time to do that | 03:46 |
| fabbione | ehehe | 03:46 |
| fabbione | it can wait after Breezy | 03:46 |
| fabbione | so we might be able to assimilate more people | 03:46 |
| BenC | I got a lot of stuff I need to document, so I don't lose/forget it | 03:46 |
| BenC | the whole ABI-changing-upload | 03:46 |
| BenC | do I still need to do klibc? | 03:47 |
| fabbione | jbailey is looking at it | 03:47 |
| BenC | ok | 03:47 |
| fabbione | klibc is not extremely important | 03:47 |
| fabbione | because an ABI change doesn't break it | 03:47 |
| fabbione | or purge it | 03:47 |
| BenC | d-i, linux-meta, and lrm should be done | 03:47 |
| fabbione | it makes klibc unbuildable | 03:47 |
| fabbione | yeah it's all done i think | 03:47 |
| BenC | btw, auric's been chugging away at packages | 03:48 |
| BenC | I think sparc is safe from the arch-police for etch | 03:48 |
| fabbione | afaik sparc is going to be SCC because the installer didn't get any love in sarge | 03:48 |
| BenC | SCC? | 03:49 |
| BenC | the installer worked great for me from sarge | 03:49 |
| fabbione | BenC: Secondary Crappy arCh | 03:49 |
| jbailey | Eh? Sparc was working when I beat on it last year. | 03:49 |
| BenC | I did the auric install with a sarge tftp image | 03:49 |
| fabbione | that's what i was told | 03:49 |
| fabbione | so.. | 03:49 |
| fabbione | relax :) | 03:49 |
| fabbione | BenC: if we can get your machine to build breezy in a serious way | 03:49 |
| BenC | I think if sparc32 gets dropped, things will be a lot better | 03:50 |
| BenC | we can't keep feeling sorry for the sun4c folks | 03:50 |
| fabbione | than i can dedicate my sparc for testing | 03:50 |
| jbailey | Already done for breezy. =) | 03:50 |
| fabbione | breezy doesn't support sparc32 | 03:50 |
| BenC | yeah, debian needs to do the same | 03:50 |
| fabbione | BenC: you said you have like 6 CPU/6GB of RAM | 03:50 |
| BenC | netbsd runs so much better on the sparc32 hardware anyway | 03:50 |
| fabbione | that could run but it self 5 instances of buildd :) | 03:50 |
| jbailey | That was at the advice of the aurora and the slackware for sparc or wahtever they're called. | 03:51 |
| BenC | fabbione: yep, it can do some serious damage to a build list | 03:51 |
| BenC | anyone ever looked at taking advantage of smp on larger packages? | 03:52 |
| BenC | mozilla, openoffice, kernel, X, gnome, kde, etc. | 03:52 |
| jbailey | It's hard to do predictable in a generic way. | 03:52 |
| BenC | gcc too | 03:52 |
| jbailey | glibc does it. | 03:52 |
| fabbione | kernel does | 03:53 |
| BenC | yeah, I saw that the kernel does | 03:53 |
| fabbione | X can't | 03:53 |
| jbailey | Even with autoconf? | 03:53 |
| fabbione | and there is no need anymore anyway | 03:53 |
| jbailey | It ought to be able to. | 03:53 |
| BenC | I know my e3k can -j a kernel build in like 5 minutes or less | 03:53 |
| fabbione | jbailey: it's splitted in 3M pkgs.. | 03:53 |
| jbailey | BenC: Is that with or without ccache | 03:53 |
| jbailey | ? | 03:53 |
| fabbione | BenC: eheheh | 03:53 |
| BenC | without | 03:53 |
| jbailey | sweet | 03:53 |
| fabbione | ehehe | 03:53 |
| fabbione | with ccache is going to fly | 03:53 |
| fabbione | and if you are cool with the setup, with shared ccache between chroots it flies even more :) | 03:54 |
| BenC | how hard is that to setup | 03:54 |
| jbailey | trivial | 03:54 |
| jbailey | install ccache | 03:54 |
| fabbione | easy | 03:54 |
| jbailey | lrwxrwxrwx 1 jbailey jbailey 15 2005-05-16 17:57 cc -> /usr/bin/ccache | 03:55 |
| jbailey | lrwxrwxrwx 1 jbailey jbailey 15 2005-05-16 17:52 g++ -> /usr/bin/ccache | 03:55 |
| jbailey | lrwxrwxrwx 1 jbailey jbailey 15 2005-05-16 17:52 g++-3.3 -> /usr/bin/ccache | 03:55 |
| jbailey | lrwxrwxrwx 1 jbailey jbailey 15 2005-05-16 17:52 g++-3.4 -> /usr/bin/ccache | 03:55 |
| BenC | nice | 03:55 |
| jbailey | lrwxrwxrwx 1 jbailey jbailey 15 2005-05-16 17:52 g++-4.0 -> /usr/bin/ccache | 03:55 |
| jbailey | lrwxrwxrwx 1 jbailey jbailey 15 2005-05-16 17:52 gcc -> /usr/bin/ccache | 03:55 |
| fabbione | BenC: when you are ready to do it, i will give you the chroots ready for you | 03:55 |
| jbailey | lrwxrwxrwx 1 jbailey jbailey 15 2005-05-16 17:52 gcc-3.3 -> /usr/bin/ccache | 03:55 |
| jbailey | lrwxrwxrwx 1 jbailey jbailey 15 2005-05-16 17:52 gcc-3.4 -> /usr/bin/ccache | 03:55 |
| fabbione | BenC: with all the setup and stuff | 03:55 |
| jbailey | lrwxrwxrwx 1 jbailey jbailey 15 2005-05-16 17:52 gcc-4.0 -> /usr/bin/ccache | 03:55 |
| jbailey | Do that in ~/bin | 03:55 |
| jbailey | Add it to your path. | 03:55 |
| fabbione | BenC: you will only need to allocate space that can be bind mounted | 03:55 |
| fabbione | jbailey: there are much easier way than that | 03:55 |
| fabbione | if [ -d /usr/lib/ccache ] ; then | 03:56 |
| fabbione | export PATH=/usr/lib/ccache:"${PATH}" | 03:56 |
| fabbione | export CCACHE_DIR=/usr/src/.ccache | 03:56 |
| fabbione | export CCACHE_NLEVELS=8 | 03:56 |
| fabbione | if [ -n "$(which distcc)" ] ; then | 03:57 |
| fabbione | export CCACHE_PREFIX="distcc" | 03:57 |
| fabbione | export DISTCC_HOSTS="localhost foo bar" | 03:57 |
| fabbione | fi | 03:57 |
| fabbione | fi | 03:57 |
| fabbione | no symlinks | 03:57 |
| fabbione | no mess | 03:57 |
| fabbione | and ready for distcc :) | 03:57 |
| jbailey | debuild won't see that, I don't think will it? | 03:59 |
| fabbione | it does | 03:59 |
| infinity | Yeah, /usr/lib/ccache is love. elmo pointed it out to me the other day, and I felt dumb for having created the links manually. | 04:03 |
| Yagisan | nice | 04:11 |
| BenC | great, the sk98lin driver is failing to build at all, has nothing to do with the arch | 04:25 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Hmm. My patch appeared to build here. | 04:27 |
| mjg59 | BenC: It's missing the -I statement pointing it at its includes | 04:28 |
| BenC | got it | 04:30 |
| BenC | it still had -Ia/drivers | 04:30 |
| BenC | no idea why | 04:30 |
| BenC | wow, that's broken | 04:38 |
| infinity | Do I smell ANOTHER upload? | 04:38 |
| BenC | fabbione: the sparc64 breezy tftp image told me that I didn't have a ethernet interface, but that I _did_ have a firewire device :) | 04:39 |
| BenC | which is odd considering that I have no PCI on this e3k :) | 04:39 |
| BenC | but I do have a happymeal card | 04:40 |
| fabbione | BenC: no idea.. | 04:40 |
| fabbione | i didn't test breezy installer at all | 04:40 |
| fabbione | but all the modules should be there | 04:40 |
| BenC | yeah, I loaded it manually | 04:40 |
| fabbione | BenC: for me the breezy installer is completely untested | 04:41 |
| fabbione | so it might fry stuff | 04:41 |
| fabbione | be aware | 04:41 |
| BenC | ok | 04:41 |
| fabbione | if it works is a plus :) | 04:41 |
| BenC | is the smp kernel for sparc64 tested well? | 04:43 |
| fabbione | we did test it only on one machine | 04:43 |
| BenC | the breezy installer must be using the broken version of libdetect | 04:43 |
| fabbione | i don't have SMP here | 04:43 |
| BenC | it's not seeing my sbus devices | 04:43 |
| BenC | that bug was in debian too, but it got fixed | 04:44 |
| fabbione | it depends when it got fixed | 04:44 |
| BenC | libdetect ignores > 1 sbus buses | 04:44 |
| BenC | was awhile ago | 04:44 |
| fabbione | we should compare the versions | 04:44 |
| BenC | like 3-6 months | 04:44 |
| fabbione | if the fix is not in and it's not intrusive, we might be able to push it | 04:44 |
| BenC | I'm having to manully load hme and esp modules | 04:44 |
| fabbione | i see | 04:45 |
| fabbione | annoying | 04:45 |
| BenC | it only affects machines like mine that have things on other than sbus0 | 04:45 |
| fabbione | i guess that problem is only in the installer, right? | 04:45 |
| fabbione | BenC: anyway i need to stop for one hour or so | 04:46 |
| fabbione | my brain is melting | 04:46 |
| BenC | well, if it uses detect for initramfs, then it will be there too | 04:46 |
| fabbione | no it doesn't | 04:46 |
| fabbione | afaik at least | 04:46 |
| fabbione | jbailey: ??? | 04:46 |
| fabbione | i need to stop for a while | 04:46 |
| fabbione | bbl | 04:46 |
| jbailey | libdetect? | 04:49 |
| jbailey | What's that? | 04:49 |
| jbailey | Ubuntu's d-i uses hotplug / udev | 04:50 |
| BenC | what does it uses to scan the sbus on sparc? | 04:50 |
| jbailey | No idea, I don't think hotplug has magic for that. | 04:51 |
| BenC | somehow it needs to I guess | 04:51 |
| jbailey | Is the sbus driver sysfs enabled? | 04:51 |
| jbailey | I could add that to initramfs-tools at least. | 04:52 |
| BenC | the debian installer handles it somehow | 04:52 |
| BenC | yes, it is | 04:52 |
| jbailey | Debian's installer uses discover1 | 04:52 |
| BenC | discover, that's what I meant, not detect | 04:52 |
| jbailey | Ah. 'k | 04:52 |
| jbailey | I've just asked Colin to double check. | 04:53 |
| jbailey | Yep. discover is only used for X autoconfiguration. | 05:05 |
| jbailey | So possibly nothign does sbus detection at all. | 05:05 |
| jbailey | Cookingup hotplug patches for sbus isn't hard, but I don't know that it could be done for breezy. | 05:06 |
| jbailey | Best bet might be to do a plugin on sparc only. | 05:06 |
| jbailey | If you can get a machine installed with Breezy (or if I can this weekend now that I have a nullmodem cable) | 05:06 |
| jbailey | I can get the hack in for initramfs-tools to do any detection you need there. | 05:07 |
| BenC | something on debian loads hme(ethernet) and esp(scsi) modules | 05:10 |
| BenC | I don't know what it is | 05:10 |
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| spayne | i'm back to discuss my ndiswrapper problem :_ | 05:11 |
| spayne | i'm back to discuss my ndiswrapper problem :) | 05:11 |
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| jbailey | Heya spayne, mkrufky | 05:13 |
| fabbione | re | 05:31 |
| fabbione | BenC: how is the installation going? | 05:31 |
| fabbione | BenC: i am pretty sure you can manage to install ubuntu-standard | 05:31 |
| fabbione | but not ubuntu-desktop | 05:31 |
| spayne | BenC: ping | 05:31 |
| BenC | well, it's headless, so desktop isn't needed anyway | 05:33 |
| BenC | spayne: ? | 05:33 |
| fabbione | BenC: yeah so it's mine, but i still test full installability :) | 05:33 |
| spayne | BenC: can you talk about the ndiswrapper problem and see if it can be traced to something? | 05:34 |
| fabbione | BenC: there is one package too much in ubuntu-desktop Depends: that makes it fail | 05:34 |
| BenC | fabbione: I read that as "instability" :) | 05:34 |
| BenC | spayne: sure, refresh me on what the issue is | 05:34 |
| fabbione | BenC: lol :) | 05:35 |
| fabbione | i think i will just build it manually and get over it | 05:35 |
| fabbione | buildd is choaking on hoary-security | 05:35 |
| spayne | BenC: right, the bug related is http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14147 | 05:37 |
| spayne | BenC: when i have installed and loaded up ndiswrapper, the kernel module isn't being loaded | 05:37 |
| spayne | it is weird | 05:37 |
| spayne | because if the device is plugged in (it is USB), the system hangs on 'Loading Modules' and/or 'Starting Hotplug' | 05:38 |
| BenC | ndiswrapper isn't loaded, or some other module | 05:38 |
| spayne | and when i remove the device | 05:38 |
| spayne | i get this error | 05:38 |
| === doko [n=doko@dhcp-sn38-024.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de] has joined #ubuntu-kernel | ||
| spayne | Sep 22 21:21:14 amarillo kernel: [4294699.242000] ndiswrapper | 05:38 |
| spayne | (usb_reset_port:633): usb_reset_device() = -19 | 05:38 |
| spayne | Sep 22 21:21:14 amarillo kernel: [4294699.242000] ndiswrapper | 05:38 |
| spayne | (usb_reset_port:633): usb_reset_device() = -22 | 05:38 |
| spayne | Sep 22 21:21:14 amarillo kernel: [4294699.242000] ndiswrapper | 05:38 |
| spayne | (ndiswrapper_add_one_usb_dev:312): Windows driver couldn't initialize the device | 05:38 |
| spayne | (C0000001) | 05:38 |
| spayne | Sep 22 21:21:14 amarillo kernel: [4294699.242000] ndiswrapper: probe of 3-3:1.0 | 05:38 |
| spayne | failed with error -22 | 05:38 |
| spayne | which makes me think it is a USB problem | 05:39 |
| BenC | -22 == -EINVAL | 05:40 |
| spayne | what? | 05:40 |
| BenC | that's the error code it is returning | 05:40 |
| BenC | no idea what EINVAL means in this case | 05:40 |
| BenC | does it work under windows or any other linux dist | 05:41 |
| BenC | ? | 05:41 |
| spayne | yes | 05:41 |
| spayne | all other distros | 05:41 |
| spayne | be it suse, fedora | 05:41 |
| spayne | it works fine | 05:41 |
| spayne | SUSE 10 works the best and that has a 2.6.13 kernel | 05:41 |
| BenC | what version of the ndiswrapper module? | 05:41 |
| spayne | 1.1 - the standard one | 05:42 |
| BenC | is that the same version as in suse? | 05:43 |
| spayne | no | 05:44 |
| BenC | what version is in suse | 05:44 |
| spayne | give me a mo | 05:44 |
| spayne | 1.2-2 | 05:45 |
| mjg59 | We can't upgrade ndiswrapper at this point | 05:45 |
| spayne | why? | 05:45 |
| spayne | also, it works fine on my Dell laptop with a MiniPCI card | 05:45 |
| mjg59 | Because userspace needs to be kept in synchronisation with the kernel, and we're deep into freeze | 05:45 |
| infinity | BenC -- | 05:46 |
| infinity | applying patch external-drivers-net-sk98lin to ./ ... failed. | 05:46 |
| infinity | make[1] : *** [debian/monolith/patch-2.6.12-9.17] Error 1 | 05:46 |
| infinity | \o/ | 05:46 |
| BenC | mjg59: that's your patch failing to apply :) | 05:46 |
| BenC | neither of the sk98lin patches is working | 05:46 |
| fabbione | hmmm | 05:46 |
| fabbione | ok let's stop and focus one second... | 05:47 |
| BenC | zul's fails to build with some errors in skge.c | 05:47 |
| fabbione | we can't keep uploading this way | 05:47 |
| BenC | I'm done uploading | 05:47 |
| BenC | Kamion is going with 9.14 for Colony 5 | 05:47 |
| fabbione | did you upload .18 ? | 05:47 |
| fabbione | ok | 05:47 |
| BenC | sk98lin will be an errata | 05:47 |
| dilinger | i really don't think it's ndiswrapper | 05:47 |
| mjg59 | BenC: There's a one character fix to zul's patch | 05:47 |
| dilinger | since it hangs during init when ndiswrapper isn't even loaded | 05:48 |
| spayne | dilinger: i thought it might be the USB Stack | 05:48 |
| spayne | dilinger: hi btw | 05:48 |
| dilinger | hello | 05:48 |
| spayne | did you get anything from the kernel log? | 05:48 |
| infinity | hey dilinger. | 05:49 |
| BenC | fabbione: btw, after adding esp and sunhme to /etc/mkinitramfs/modules and dpkg-reconfigure, my e3k is booting ubuntu | 05:50 |
| fabbione | COOL | 05:50 |
| fabbione | hey dilinger | 05:50 |
| fabbione | BenC: i am talking with Kamion already to fix it (as jbailey did too) | 05:50 |
| fabbione | so i think we can get it fixed for breezy | 05:51 |
| dilinger | spayne: i haven't checked the bug report, i should probably add myself to the cc list or something | 05:52 |
| spayne | dilinger: I pasted the kernel log which gave some interesting errors http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14147 | 05:52 |
| BenC | Linux zachery 2.6.12-9-sparc64 #1 Fri Sep 23 01:07:46 UTC 2005 sparc64 GNU/Linux | 05:54 |
| === fabbione comes in his pants | ||
| BenC | time to test smp :) | 05:54 |
| fabbione | BenC: yuo | 05:54 |
| zul | fabbione: its cum...:) | 05:54 |
| BenC | mjg59: what is the fix for zul's patch? | 05:55 |
| zul | gets ndiswrapper working for amd64 | 05:55 |
| zul | i believe.. | 05:55 |
| spayne | it doesn't even work on i386 | 05:55 |
| spayne | never mind amd64! | 05:55 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Just remove the a/ | 05:56 |
| mjg59 | From the EXTRA_CFLAGS statement | 05:56 |
| BenC | mjg59: already tried that | 05:56 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Oh, christ, Dunno, then. | 05:56 |
| mjg59 | spayne: It works fine on i386 | 05:56 |
| mjg59 | It doesn't work *for you* | 05:56 |
| BenC | it still fails in skge.c because of some weird errors | 05:56 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Shrug. | 05:56 |
| spayne | mjg59: it does work on some machines, not USB devices | 05:56 |
| spayne | does anyone have any ideas? | 05:57 |
| mjg59 | BenC: The patch I sent applied fine here (working against an older tree, obviously) and built | 05:57 |
| mjg59 | BenC: My suspicion is that it's failing to patch because you've dropped sky2, and so there's a different hunk in Kconfig | 05:57 |
| mjg59 | Or the Makefile | 05:57 |
| fabbione | spayne: buy better hw that doesn't need crappy windowss dll? ;) | 05:57 |
| spayne | fabbione: that is not the answer - i have had this bug for 2 months | 05:58 |
| spayne | and every time i try and get help, nothing happens | 05:58 |
| dilinger | what's recommended for controlling cpufreq from userspace? cpudyn? powernowd? | 05:58 |
| mjg59 | We ship powernowd | 05:58 |
| dilinger | alright, thanks. i'll play around w/ that one | 05:59 |
| mjg59 | spayne: Frankly, ndiswrapper for USB stuff is a low priority | 05:59 |
| spayne | really? so people who use Ubuntu with Laptops (cough)Laptop Testing Scheme(cough) can't do anything? | 05:59 |
| fabbione | spayne: because these kind of drivers are extremely hard to support. | 05:59 |
| spayne | it isn't a driver problem! | 05:59 |
| fabbione | given that if they fail in the .dll crap, there is no way we can get it fixed | 06:00 |
| mjg59 | spayne: People with USB devices are always at liberty to get one that has native Linux drivers | 06:00 |
| spayne | it is nearly impossible | 06:00 |
| mjg59 | spayne: That's *not* true of most of the problems we're dealing with here | 06:00 |
| mjg59 | spayne: No, it really isn't | 06:00 |
| spayne | why did it work with Hoary then? | 06:00 |
| mjg59 | There are several supported USB wireless devices | 06:00 |
| mjg59 | I've *no fucking clue* | 06:00 |
| BenC | spayne: one issue is that it is nearly impossible for us to really do anything about it | 06:00 |
| BenC | I cannot reproduce it | 06:00 |
| fabbione | spayne: luck | 06:00 |
| spayne | luck? | 06:01 |
| fabbione | that's probably why it did work | 06:01 |
| mjg59 | spayne: And maybe I'll have time to look at it once I'm finished dealing with the higher priority issues | 06:01 |
| BenC | spayne: can you try hand building the newest ndiswrapper and see if that works? | 06:01 |
| spayne | will do | 06:01 |
| mjg59 | spayne: The USB devices that *Maplin* sell are supported, for christ's sake | 06:01 |
| spayne | that isn't the point, they point is that ndiswrapper is broken for some USB devices | 06:02 |
| mjg59 | Right. And that's a bug. | 06:02 |
| mjg59 | It's a low priority bug, | 06:02 |
| fabbione | spayne: there is always something broken for somebody | 06:02 |
| spayne | i thought one of the aims for Breezy was that any laptop would just work :) | 06:02 |
| fabbione | spayne: do you have a patch to fix the problem? | 06:02 |
| mjg59 | spayne: The aim is to support as much as we can. If I have time, I will see if I can reproduce the problem. | 06:02 |
| spayne | that's fine | 06:02 |
| spayne | thanks mjg59 | 06:03 |
| BenC | spayne: it may not even be an ndiswrapper bug, it sounds to me like ndiswrapper isn't able to communicate with the USB device, which could be a USB stack bug | 06:03 |
| spayne | yes, but who do i contact? | 06:03 |
| BenC | spayne: I'm hoping that trying a different ndiswrapper version will tell us if this is the case | 06:03 |
| spayne | i just came here because the bug was assigned to you | 06:04 |
| fabbione | spayne: you did open the bug. that's enough | 06:04 |
| BenC | you talk to me, but all I can tell you right now is that the ball is largely in your court, because this is such a specialized problem | 06:04 |
| fabbione | spayne: coming around to push developer is of no help | 06:04 |
| BenC | spayne: if this were "ndiswrapper is broken for 99% of the people", I'd get right on it | 06:05 |
| BenC | but as it is now, it's just you, and I've no confirmations that it is affecting anyone else | 06:05 |
| spayne | fair enough | 06:05 |
| BenC | not saying you aren't important, but I have to get the bugs that affect the most people first :) | 06:05 |
| BenC | * Starting hotplug subsystem... | 06:06 |
| BenC | fabbione: smp kernel stops there | 06:06 |
| BenC | hard lock, have to powercycle | 06:07 |
| fabbione | crap | 06:07 |
| BenC | odd that there is no kernel output | 06:07 |
| fabbione | can you try to boot without quiet/splash options? | 06:07 |
| fabbione | i don't think they get added on sparc | 06:07 |
| BenC | this thing is far from quiet | 06:07 |
| fabbione | so you get full boot log | 06:08 |
| BenC | yeah | 06:08 |
| fabbione | christing bananas | 06:08 |
| fabbione | hmm i wonder if you try to boot UP and disable hotplug and see if it boots -SMP | 06:08 |
| BenC | I can try | 06:09 |
| BenC | update-rc.d -f hotplug remove ? | 06:09 |
| fabbione | than try to load hotplug manually and perhaps you can get something out | 06:09 |
| fabbione | i would just add an exit 0 at the beginning of the script :) | 06:09 |
| BenC | if I boot to single, is that before hotplgu? | 06:09 |
| fabbione | hmm i think so | 06:09 |
| fabbione | i can't remember | 06:09 |
| BenC | I'll try that first | 06:09 |
| BenC | sucks, hard power cycles on this machine takes 8 minutes | 06:09 |
| fabbione | ehehe i know :) | 06:10 |
| BenC | as opposed to the 2 minutes for a soft reset | 06:10 |
| fabbione | the E10K was like 45 minutes | 06:10 |
| fabbione | just powering down the domain | 06:10 |
| fabbione | and powering it up again | 06:10 |
| BenC | the POST on sparc's is just too damn thorough | 06:10 |
| fabbione | better that way | 06:10 |
| fabbione | but later i found a trick... | 06:11 |
| BenC | yeah, it's why sparc's are so good :) | 06:11 |
| BenC | please tell me :) | 06:11 |
| fabbione | does the e3k supports hw partitioning? | 06:11 |
| fabbione | like having 2/3 execution domains.. | 06:11 |
| BenC | no | 06:12 |
| BenC | only starfire hardware can do that | 06:12 |
| BenC | IIRC, a 32way e10k can compile a kernel in 28 seconds flat | 06:13 |
| fabbione | ok | 06:13 |
| fabbione | yeah... | 06:13 |
| fabbione | i know :) | 06:13 |
| fabbione | too bad i don't have access to it anymore | 06:13 |
| fabbione | otherwise we would be building dapper already | 06:14 |
| BenC | woulda made a nice buildd :) | 06:14 |
| BenC | I've got two bad simms on this e3k | 06:14 |
| fabbione | yeah | 06:14 |
| BenC | kills a gig of my memory | 06:14 |
| BenC | maybe just need to reseat them | 06:15 |
| fabbione | i didn't want to install a buildd there, because i knew i was going away | 06:15 |
| === fabbione would love to get his U60 fixed | ||
| BenC | mjg59: your patch fails to apply 1 hunk to skge.c | 06:17 |
| fabbione | it's years that's broken and i can't find 400USD to get it fixed | 06:17 |
| BenC | a very large hunk | 06:17 |
| fabbione | but with that amount i could just buy another one | 06:17 |
| BenC | what's broken? | 06:17 |
| fabbione | either the mobo or the CPU | 06:19 |
| fabbione | but for that money i can just buy another full U60 | 06:20 |
| BenC | guessing it isn't a dual cpu | 06:20 |
| fabbione | e merge them into one | 06:20 |
| fabbione | no it's not | 06:20 |
| BenC | weird | 06:21 |
| BenC | it booted this time | 06:21 |
| fabbione | ah | 06:22 |
| fabbione | well sorry that's a problem with your e3k | 06:22 |
| fabbione | she isn't used to such a cool kernel | 06:22 |
| BenC | lol | 06:22 |
| BenC | Linux zachery 2.6.12-9-sparc64-smp #1 SMP Fri Sep 23 01:36:07 UTC 2005 sparc64 GNU/Linux | 06:22 |
| fabbione | show me /proc/cpuinfo :) | 06:22 |
| BenC | even crappier, only 4 cpus active | 06:23 |
| BenC | cpu : TI UltraSparc II (BlackBird) | 06:23 |
| BenC | fpu : UltraSparc II integrated FPU | 06:23 |
| BenC | promlib : Version 3 Revision 2 | 06:23 |
| BenC | prom : 3.2.29 | 06:23 |
| BenC | type : sun4u | 06:23 |
| BenC | ncpus probed : 4 | 06:23 |
| BenC | ncpus active : 4 | 06:23 |
| BenC | need to reseat that whole cpu/mem board | 06:23 |
| fabbione | doh | 06:23 |
| fabbione | that could probably be the reason why it failed before? | 06:23 |
| BenC | well it got as far as userspace | 06:24 |
| fabbione | i don't recall that the kernel needs any special config option to support more than 4cpus | 06:24 |
| fabbione | not on sparc at least | 06:24 |
| BenC | it would just not boot to userspace at all if there was a problem with that | 06:24 |
| BenC | might have been that the cpu's went offline while it was booting | 06:25 |
| BenC | at the power cycle left them that way | 06:25 |
| fabbione | hmm crack | 06:25 |
| jbailey | mjg59: err. You there? =) | 06:35 |
| mjg59 | jbailey: HI | 06:41 |
| mjg59 | Uh | 06:41 |
| mjg59 | Hi | 06:41 |
| infinity | Argh. | 06:41 |
| infinity | Alright, who broke my vesafb? | 06:42 |
| jbailey | mjg59: Are you using bzr or apt-get source to fetch initramfs-tools when you hacked it? | 06:43 |
| infinity | jbailey : Do I blame you or the kernel for this one? | 06:44 |
| jbailey | infinity: No habla inglis Seor. | 06:44 |
| jbailey | Try de gringo over 'dere. | 06:44 |
| infinity | jbailey : After the kernel update, vga=xxx on the command line leaves me with blank/unuseable VTs, and vesafb doesn't seem to be loaded at all. | 06:44 |
| infinity | \o/ | 06:44 |
| BenC | infinity: I saw a similar bug report | 06:44 |
| jbailey | infinity: When was the last initramfs-tools you updated? | 06:44 |
| BenC | nothing should have messed with that though | 06:45 |
| jbailey | Or rather the last initramfs-tools that you used in your previous thing? | 06:45 |
| jbailey | I found a rather amusing bug. | 06:45 |
| jbailey | Like none of the initramfs-tools hook scripts are marked executable. | 06:45 |
| jbailey | It's a wonder it boots at alll... | 06:45 |
| mjg59 | jbailey: bzr | 06:45 |
| infinity | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1262680 2005-09-16 08:53 vmlinuz-2.6.12-8-686 | 06:45 |
| infinity | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1262749 2005-09-23 07:53 vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-686 | 06:45 |
| jbailey | mjg59: Right. Time to lean on them a bit more about preserving the chmod +x bit. =) | 06:45 |
| infinity | So, -8- was probably generated with 0.26... -9- was generated with 0.28 | 06:46 |
| infinity | jbailey : So, if I just chmod +x /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/* and regenrate, you say this may resolve my problem? :) | 06:48 |
| jbailey | infinity: It may. | 06:49 |
| === infinity tests the theory. | ||
| jbailey | It seems to have fixed this other guy's bootup speed problems. | 06:49 |
| infinity | jbailey : You win. I have a console again. | 06:53 |
| infinity | Now I get chatty junk from the ide driver that I've never seen before | 06:53 |
| infinity | [4294672.679000] ide0: I/O resource 0x1F0-0x1F7 not free. | 06:53 |
| infinity | [4294672.679000] ide0: ports already in use, skipping probe | 06:53 |
| infinity | [4294672.679000] ide1: I/O resource 0x170-0x177 not free. | 06:53 |
| infinity | [4294672.679000] ide1: ports already in use, skipping probe | 06:53 |
| infinity | But at least I have a console. :) | 06:53 |
| zul | BenC: got a question for you.. | 06:55 |
| BenC | zul: shoot | 06:55 |
| zul | large chunks were removed from emu101k in 2.6.12 but were put back into 2.6.13, should I backport everything 2.6.13 into our 2.6.12 or how would you handle it? | 06:56 |
| BenC | I'm not so sure it will get into breezy, so might aswell just leave it, since 2.6.14 will have it | 06:57 |
| zul | ok | 06:57 |
| mkrufky | there's a bunch of stuff that was removed right before 2.6.12 was released for stability purposes... most of those haven't been fixed until 2.6.14 | 06:58 |
| infinity | Yeah, who has SBLive/Audigy cards anyway? | 06:58 |
| === mkrufky chimes in | ||
| zul | my boss for one | 06:58 |
| mkrufky | heh | 06:59 |
| mkrufky | there was some debate about whether or not to support those cards | 06:59 |
| mkrufky | because they have some features that cannot be supported at this point in time | 06:59 |
| mkrufky | and those features happen to be the major selling-points of those cards | 06:59 |
| mkrufky | but since basic support worked, they ended up being included (more recently) | 07:00 |
| === Yagisan has a sblive | ||
| BenC | mjg59: your sk98lin patch is compiling now, it was conflicting order with an acpi update that touched skge.c | 07:14 |
| mjg59 | Ok | 07:14 |
| BenC | your patch just removed all the stuff that patch put in, so I killed the skge.c edits in there, and rediffed your patch | 07:15 |
| mjg59 | Hrm? | 07:15 |
| mjg59 | My patch shouldn't have been touching skge | 07:15 |
| BenC | acpi added suspend/resume | 07:15 |
| BenC | sk98lin/skge.c | 07:15 |
| mjg59 | Unless you mean the one in sk98lin/skge.c ? | 07:15 |
| mjg59 | Ah, right | 07:15 |
| mjg59 | Ok | 07:15 |
| === dilinger wonders why we even have cpufreq kernelspace governers | ||
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:BenC] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeam | The kernel is not in, please leave a message after the beep...OOPS, unable to handle kernel paging request | http://people.u.c/~lamont/Archives/kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/ playground: kernel-debian--preX,15--2.6.12 | 9.14 is going into Colony 5, however 9.18, which finally gets sk98lin right, will be uploaded soon after Colony 5 is done | ||
| BenC | ncpus probed : 6 | 07:46 |
| BenC | ncpus active : 6 | 07:46 |
| BenC | much better | 07:47 |
| fabbione | BenC: cool. i started uploading the chroot.. it will take a while.. i am gonna send you an email with the details when it's done | 07:56 |
| === fabbione goes for dinned | ||
| fabbione | s/d$/r | 07:56 |
| BenC | ok | 08:01 |
| BenC | is there something with the arch/bzr style revision control model that says we can't use head (kernel-debian--mainline--2.6.12) for our main development area, and just branch tags for each release? | 08:26 |
| dilinger | grumble. hoary's lm-sensors detect all kinds of false alarms on these shitty asus boards | 08:28 |
| infinity | BenC : No, and I'd prefer it. Different people have different workflows, that's all. | 08:44 |
| BenC | you'd prefer just having a single head? | 08:44 |
| infinity | Yeah, that works better for me. But I'm probably just too CVS/SVN oriented, and therefor not cool enough for baz. :) | 08:45 |
| BenC | I must not be cool either :) | 08:45 |
| BenC | I think I might go with that | 08:45 |
| BenC | as it is now, we have two branches for each release, the dev branch, and the tag | 08:46 |
| infinity | Hey, it's your kernel now, bugs and all. YOu get to force whatever model you want on your minions. | 08:46 |
| BenC | and I don't think baz is zero overhead for a non-changes branch | 08:46 |
| infinity | I'm more likely to contribute if I'm more comfortable with the development model, mind. :) | 08:46 |
| zul | im not a minion im a free dude | 08:48 |
| infinity | MINION! | 08:49 |
| zul | NO! | 08:49 |
| infinity | SUBMIT! | 08:49 |
| BenC | is there a way to remove a wiki page? | 08:51 |
| infinity | Probably, but I'm not wiki-friendly. | 08:51 |
| infinity | Another area where I lack cool. | 08:51 |
| infinity | Erm, wait. | 08:52 |
| jbailey | BenC: baz is the suck. You can use bzr. It's quick. It's snazzy. It's also not terribly sharable and doesn't have centralised commit, but hey.. =) | 08:52 |
| infinity | It's right there in the drop down "More Actions" box. | 08:52 |
| infinity | Last option: "Delete Page" | 08:52 |
| infinity | (If you don't have that box, or that option, you're probably not logged in) | 08:52 |
| infinity | I'd suggest we move the kernel to SVN, but then I'd get fired. | 08:53 |
| infinity | So I didn't suggest it. | 08:53 |
| infinity | Shhhh. | 08:53 |
| zul | NEVER! | 08:57 |
| zul | meh...i dont want to learn another version control system | 09:02 |
| BenC | svn is so easy though | 09:03 |
| BenC | what was the fix for the blank console with vga=XXX? | 09:04 |
| infinity | BenC : Upgrade to jbailey's latest initramfs-tools crack and remake your initrd. | 09:11 |
| infinity | (or chmod +x /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/* and regenerate) | 09:11 |
| BenC | jbailey: 16118 is initramfs bug then? | 09:16 |
| zul | BenC: meh...its your call :) | 09:17 |
| jbailey | No idea. What does vga=791 do? | 09:17 |
| infinity | Big, pretty vesafb console. | 09:18 |
| infinity | And yes, 16118 is the exact bug I had earlier. | 09:18 |
| infinity | Fix it with one of the two above methods. | 09:18 |
| infinity | Shall I post an update? | 09:19 |
| BenC | zul: i'd never switch to svn for the kernel | 09:20 |
| BenC | infinity: yea, please | 09:20 |
| zul | BenC: *shrug* ;) | 09:21 |
| infinity | Done. | 09:22 |
| zul | i dont want to get into a pissing match over version control software | 09:27 |
| infinity | Not likely to be one. :) | 09:29 |
| infinity | baz is the canonical Canonical revision control system, so we use it. | 09:29 |
| zul | then again maybe i might :) | 09:29 |
| zul | infinity: i know | 09:29 |
| infinity | bzr should suck a lot less when it's actually feature-complete. | 09:29 |
| infinity | Or, so I keep hearing. | 09:29 |
| infinity | And I'll continue to use SVN for non-work stuff, and just not tell anyone about it. :) | 09:30 |
| infinity | (Hey, SVN is the whole reason I started maintaining apache2...) | 09:30 |
| BenC | I use svn for everything I can | 09:43 |
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| jbailey | infinity: bzr already sucks less for the use cases it covers. | 09:55 |
| jbailey | infinity: group development just isn't one of those use cases. | 09:55 |
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| zul | later folks | 10:21 |
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