[12:02] <\sh> Surak: let elmo know about your package...he can have his "legal" look over it ,-)
[12:04] <Surak> Thanks
[12:04] <Surak> What's the best way to contact elmo? A post at ubuntu-devel-list?
[12:06] <crimsun> e-mail or message on irc
[12:08] <Surak> Is elmo's name James?
[12:08] <crimsun> James Troup, yes.
[12:09] <tseng> yes.
[12:09] <tseng> oh
[12:12] <Surak> Hum... sent. Let's wait for him.
[12:13] <zyga> dholbach: hey :-)
[12:13] <zyga> I'm getting my key signed tommorow
[12:14] <zyga> one of debian developers agreed to help
[12:41] <Surak> \sh: is the process for applying a package for multiverse different than to universe?
[12:41] <\sh> Surak: no same rules
[12:41] <\sh> universe/multiverse is motu area :)
[12:42] <\sh> damn..I wanted to be in bed at this time..
[12:42] <\sh> but now...
[12:42] <\sh> good night folks :)
[12:42] <dsas> good night
[12:42] <\sh> cu later today :) happy hacking :)
[12:42] <dsas> i'm off for the land of nod too :)
[12:47] <Surak> night
[01:07] <_tonio> stupid question but what will happen to pending for revuing packages while breezy is out ? lost job ?
[02:29] <hub> dholbach: here?
[02:30] <dholbach> yep
[02:32] <bddebian> Holy crap, the new axiom in Debian is 40Mb source.. Sheesh
[02:33] <hub> for dcraw, 2 question:
[02:33] <hub> where do I put the reason for new upstream?
[02:34] <hub> remove dirs make the build fail :-/ is it really not needed or shall I replace it by a .install
[02:34] <hub> s/.install/something/
[02:34] <dholbach> hub: ok, 1) talk to us, 2) forget it - i seem to have been wrong :)
[02:35] <hub> dholbach: I put a comment for the reason
[02:37] <dholbach> hub: super
[02:37] <dholbach> hub: for a one-time change, you don't have to change the maintainer field
[02:37] <dholbach> hub:  only if you REALLY REALLY REALLY want to take care of the package
[02:39] <dholbach> "for now and for ever" or something
[02:40] <dholbach> apart from that, i'd approve it
[02:48] <hub> I don't min maintaining it
[02:48] <hub> I'm writing a replacement :-)
[02:48] <dholbach> ok
[03:08] <dholbach> hub: will oyu upload it with a changed maintainer line?
[03:14] <hub> dholbach: you mean reverting?
[03:14] <hub> I can do that
[03:14] <dholbach> ok
[03:23] <bmonty> hi everyone
[03:27] <tseng> yay dholbach
[03:37] <ajmitch> hi bmonty
[03:38] <tseng> hi ajmitch bmonty
[03:38] <ajmitch> good evening tseng
[03:38] <bmonty> hey ajmitch
[03:42] <dholbach> hi tseng, bmonty, ajmitch :)
[03:43] <ajmitch> how goes the reviewing, dholbach ?
[03:43] <dholbach> atm i'm reviewing bugs :)
[03:44] <dholbach> but yesterday's session was quite ok :)
[03:44] <tseng> oooh
[03:44] <tseng> cacti with rrdtool 1.2
[03:45] <hub> dholbach: just uploaded
[03:45] <hub> sorry for the delay
[03:45] <dholbach> hub: don't worry :)
[03:48] <dholbach> hub: you will need to write     Hubert Figuiere <hub@figuiere.net>   (for both changelog and control file)
[03:48] <dholbach> hub: erm, i mean name and mail adress
[03:48] <dholbach> hub: it's late already :)
[03:48] <jsgotangco> dholbach, working hard eh, you should sleep
[03:49] <dholbach> jsgotangco: i took a nap some hours ago :)
[03:49] <jsgotangco> dholbach, nice...
[03:49] <dholbach> jsgotangco: i helped a friend moving today, that's why i was tired earlier
[03:49] <dholbach> jsgotangco: she said "it's only the bulky parts" - sure ... we moved most of the flat
[03:49] <jsgotangco> she!
[03:50] <dholbach> so? :)
[03:51] <dholbach> it's a girl, i went to school with, 7 years ago, now i met her in berlin again :)
[03:51] <dholbach> hey tritium :)
[03:51] <tritium> Hi Daniel :)
[03:51] <ajmitch> dholbach: ah, we see... :)
[03:56] <bmonty> grrr....trying to add a simple desktop file and the package fails to compile
[03:57] <ajmitch> ouch :)
[03:59] <hub> dholbach: what's wrong with the changelog/control?
[03:59] <dholbach>  you just list the name
[03:59] <dholbach> not the mail adress
[03:59] <hub> ?
[04:00] <hub> I just checked
[04:00] <hub> I have both
[04:00] <dholbach> -Maintainer: Hubert Figuiere
[04:00] <dholbach> +Maintainer: Steve King
[04:00] <hub> dholbach: HTML
[04:00] <hub> dholbach: <> get striped
[04:00] <hub> :-/
[04:00] <dholbach> hmhmhmhmhm :)
[04:00] <hub> REVU bug
[04:01] <dholbach> sorry for the noise then
[04:01] <hub> it's ok
[04:01] <hub> it is late for you
[04:03] <dholbach> hub: approved, uploaded.
[04:07] <ajmitch> great
[04:09] <dholbach> hub: you should write a mail to elmo (wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads) and get your mail adress whitelisted, so you'll receive ACCEPTED mails from katie
[04:10] <crimsun> hmm, I'm not sure Ian Jackson meant to version firefox at 1.0.7-0ubuntu15, but who am I to ask? :)
[04:11] <tseng> sigh
[04:14] <hub> dholbach: ok. thanks a ton
[04:14] <dholbach> hub: de rien
[04:38] <dholbach> good night
[04:39] <Surak> night people
[05:15] <bddebian> ajmitch: You up?
[05:17] <chillywilly> openwrt is way too much fun
[05:17] <chillywilly> let me tell ya
[05:18] <bddebian> :-)  Heya chillywilly
[05:18] <chillywilly> hi dude
[05:18] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes?
[05:19] <ajmitch> since it's about 3pm, you'd think I'd be awake
[05:19] <bddebian> Ya never know ;-P
[05:19] <bddebian> ajmitch: Are you waiting for something for the merges that you took?  I only ask because I'm trying to clear off that list. :-)
[05:19] <chillywilly> no one pays attention to what time it is in upside down land ;)
[05:20] <bddebian> chillywilly: ;-)
[05:21] <chillywilly> ajmitch: I've known you or all these years and I STILL don't know what time it is over there ;)
[05:21] <ajmitch> bddebian: which ones?
[05:21] <chillywilly> s/or/for/
[05:22] <chillywilly> bddebian: my poor Green Bay Packers...they're going to get shallacked this weekend because they suck
[05:22] <bddebian> ajmitch: boa-constructor, libccrtp, and snacc
[05:22] <bddebian> chillywilly: Heh
[05:22] <ajmitch> bddebian: so you have checked the versions before asking me, right?
[05:23] <bddebian> ajmitch: No since I figure you'd close the bugs :-)
[05:23] <ajmitch> hah
[05:25] <bddebian> chillywilly: Tell me why ajmitch hates me :-)
[05:25] <ajmitch> because you think that everyone hates you
[05:26] <bddebian> I don't think chillywilly hates me :-)
[05:26] <bddebian> I don't think marco_g hates me
[05:27] <ajmitch> new debian versions came in after snacc was dealt with
[05:27] <ajmitch> I merged in changes that were current when that bug was
[05:28] <ajmitch> libccrtp is new upstream now
[05:29] <ajmitch> boa-constructor is done
[05:29] <bddebian> D00d, you don't have to tell me.  Like I said, I'm just trying to tidy up :-)
[05:29] <bddebian> Do any work that I CAN do to help
[05:29] <ajmitch> well I'm at work
[05:29] <ajmitch> so I don't have time to do stuff like this right now
[05:30] <bddebian> OK, sorry to bug ya
[05:45] <chillywilly> bah
[05:45] <chillywilly> ajmitchie be nice or else! ;)
[05:46] <chillywilly> I need to sleep
[05:46] <bddebian> Yeah, I should too
[05:50] <ajmitch> chillywilly: this is me being nice :P
[06:03] <bddebian> Well gnight folks
[06:50] <crimsun> evenin', mike
[06:50] <tritium> hi Daniel
[07:31] <lifeless> anyone here work with wxwindows ?
[07:32] <lifeless> upgrade hoary-breezy bug
[07:32] <lifeless> j-a-meinel> lifeless: ubuntu fails to upgrade wxpython, because it complains that /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/wxversion.py exists in both versions
[07:32] <lifeless>                     (which it does, but they should be okay together)
[07:40] <crimsun> lifeless: I presume since (s)he stated wxwindows that (s)he meant 2.4?
[07:40] <crimsun> (as opposed to 2.6)
[07:40] <lifeless> kkhe
[07:41] <lifeless> uhhm,  let me ask
[07:41] <ajmitch> fun
[07:43] <ajmitch> wxversion.py should be in python-wxversion now, which probably needs to Replace wxpython 2.5.3
[07:44] <crimsun> that would be sensible. Debian doesn't have to worry about it since wxwidgets2.5.3 was ripped out of the archive due to licensing issues.
[07:45] <ajmitch> yep
[07:45] <ajmitch> but 2.5.3 was somehow in hoary
[07:46] <crimsun> we didn't ask for it to be removed in time :/
[07:46] <ajmitch> hmm
[07:46] <ajmitch> I don't see wxversion.py in the 2.5.3 deb
[07:46] <ajmitch> ah no
[07:47] <ajmitch> -rw-r--r-- root/root     14397 2004-11-13 00:00:07 ./usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/wxversion.py
[07:47] <ajmitch> in wxpython2.5.3
[07:48] <ajmitch> I think Conflicts & Replaces is needed there
[08:26] <siretart> morning
[08:29] <ajmitch> morning siretart
[08:29] <siretart> hi ajmitch
[09:19] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, odd error the start to muine
[09:20] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: in english, please?
[09:21] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, ah yes. I speak that
[09:21] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, normally it just segfaults. What surprised me was that it spat out errors, just a sec
[09:21] <ajmitch> :)
[09:21] <ajmitch> ppc? amd64?
[09:21] <Burgundavia> i386
[09:21] <Burgundavia> so did I, until recently
[09:22] <ajmitch> I don't think I've seen many segfaults in it
[09:22] <ajmitch> last upload of it was 2 weeks ago
[09:22] <Burgundavia> this is not recent stuff, but I am trying to debug the error
[09:22] <ajmitch> ok
[09:26] <Lathiat> anyone know what the status of all the haskell stuff is?
[09:26] <ajmitch> needs love
[09:27] <Lathiat> what kinda love
[09:29] <ajmitch> package fixing love
[09:29] <ajmitch> it was mentioned in the motu meeting
[09:30] <Lathiat> yeh i missed that part, i'll read the backlog
[09:54] <ajmitch> hi \sh
[09:55] <\sh> moins :)
[09:57] <\sh> argl...enhancement for xterm
[09:58] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, if you see dholbach, can you tell him that sabdfl/the LP team is considering an LP solution to UniverseCandidates
[09:58] <ajmitch> interesting, where'd you hear that?
[09:59] <Burgundavia> I proposed it and sabdfl liked it
[09:59] <Burgundavia> they are going to talk about it at UBZ
[09:59] <ajmitch> great
[09:59] <Burgundavia> something that has been trickling through my brain for awhile now
[10:00] <jsgotangco> ahhh Burgundavia delivers again...
[10:00] <ajmitch> heh :)
[10:00] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: we've got a few ideas to propose as well :)
[10:00] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia is very much our 'ideas' guy at the moment
[10:01] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, like a REVU in LP?
[10:01] <Burgundavia> no
[10:01] <Burgundavia> for proposing stuff to be packaged
[10:01] <Burgundavia> think wnpp done right
[10:03] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/RequestingPackages
[10:03] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, edit at will, it is mostly a brain dump from me right now. I don't really have any idea what you guys need from it
[10:03] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, ideas are cheap. Code and docs are not
[10:06] <Burgundavia> you know our wiki is slow when it is slower that Wikipedia (currently the gold standard for driving servers to their death)
[10:07] <Treenaks> Burgundavia: oh wikipedia took over from slashdot? :)
[10:07] <ivoks> khm...
[10:07] <Burgundavia> Treenaks, wp passed slashdot sometime in 2004
[10:08] <ivoks> apt-file search nvidia.ko - 0 points
[10:09] <ivoks> nvidia-glx doesn't have that file too
[10:09] <ivoks> linux-restricted doesn't have it either
[10:11] <\sh> Burgundavia: is it open to be edited?
[10:11] <Lathiat> apt-file isn't updated ivoks
[10:11] <Lathiat> hasn't been for a *long* time
[10:11] <Lathiat> (e.g. the Contents files
[10:11] <Lathiat> unless it started workign sometime in the last few weeks anyway
[10:11] <Burgundavia> \sh, RequestingPackages? go ahead
[10:11] <Lathiat> ivoks: also
[10:11] <Lathiat> ivoks: nvidia.ko is built at startup
[10:12] <Lathiat> ivoks: note /lib/modules/2.6.12-6-386/volatile
[10:12] <Lathiat> ivoks: theyre linked on boot
[10:12] <Lathiat> some redistribution thing
[10:12] <Lathiat> cd /lib/linux-restricted-modules/`uname -r`
[10:13] <\sh> done
[10:14] <Burgundavia> \sh, my thoughts about voting are to simply merge it into the actual request
[10:15] <Burgundavia> thus if someone else requests it, it is simply counted as a vote
[10:15] <\sh> Burgundavia: well..a nice graphical page to show the users is a good thing sometimes ;)
[10:15] <Burgundavia> ya
[10:15] <Burgundavia> the UI will need to be beat out
[10:15] <\sh> Burgundavia: but how do u know if someelse is requesting the same package? ,-)
[10:16] <Burgundavia> you don't need to, that is a beauty
[10:16] <Burgundavia> you just request it, and the system figures it out
[10:16] <Burgundavia> we can manually merge the typos
[10:17] <Lathiat> voting on what?
[10:17] <Burgundavia> Lathiat, people asking for programs to be packaged
[10:17] <Lathiat> ah
[10:17] <\sh> Burgundavia: sounds ok to me..but i wanted to add it to the brainstorming :)
[10:17] <Burgundavia> \sh, yes
[10:18] <Burgundavia> or a KitchenSink one
[10:18] <Lathiat> i can't find mythmusic on packages.d.o
[10:19] <\sh> guys u know about the fridge?
[10:19] <Burgundavia> \sh, yep. Long awaiting, not yet delivered
[10:19] <\sh> Burgundavia: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/
[10:20] <Burgundavia> holy shit!!!!
[10:20] <\sh> Yes, It's Real
[10:20] <\sh> thank jdub for it ;)
[10:21] <Treenaks> \sh: whoa!
[10:22] <jsgotangco> WHOA
[10:23] <Burgundavia> \sh, can I blog about it>
[10:23] <Burgundavia> ?
[10:23] <\sh> Burgundavia: ask jdub :)
[10:24] <\sh> Burgundavia: I think he wants to improve a little bit before a real public release...but mouth propaganda is ok he said yesterday
[10:25] <ivoks> y
[10:25] <ivoks> back
[10:25] <ivoks> Lathiat: no nvidia.ko on my system any more :)
[10:26] <Lathiat> ivoks: what was the problem?
[10:26] <ivoks> Lathiat: nothing... i just did update
[10:26] <Lathiat> sure
[10:26] <Lathiat> no l-r-m for 2.6.12-9 yet
[10:26] <Burgundavia> \sh, does mouth propaganda included blogging?
[10:26] <ivoks> ah..
[10:26] <ivoks>  right
[10:27] <Lathiat> does 'nvidia' break if it can't load the kernel module?
[10:27] <\sh> Burgundavia: I don't think so :)
[10:27] <Lathiat> fglrx is kinda nifty in that it still works just you lose 3d
[10:27] <jsgotangco> whoa fridge has a calendar
[10:27] <Burgundavia> \sh, nor do I
[10:27] <Lathiat> iirc nvidia fails to start X
[10:27] <ivoks> Lathiat: yes, x fails to start
[10:28] <jsgotangco> Lathiat, yeah
[10:28] <ivoks> well, no problem..
[10:32] <Burgundavia> ivoks, is the blackdown stuff ppc and amd64 as well?
[10:45] <ivoks> Burgundavia: huh?
[10:45] <ivoks> Burgundavia: i386 afaik
[10:46] <ivoks> Burgundavia: maybe amd64 too
[10:46] <Burgundavia> ivoks, ok
[11:03] <ajmitch> dholbach!
[11:03] <dholbach> hello!
[11:03] <dholbach> hey andrew
[11:03] <\sh> dholbach: moins...
[11:03] <ajmitch> how are you? :)
[11:03] <dholbach> hey stephan
[11:03] <dholbach> fine, thank you :)
[11:03] <ajmitch> 19:58 < Burgundavia> ajmitch, if you see dholbach, can you tell him that sabdfl/the LP team is considering an LP solution to UniverseCandidates
[11:04] <ajmitch> https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/RequestingPackages
[11:05] <dholbach> will read immediately
[11:05] <ajmitch> I think this is something we discussed at UDU :)
[11:05] <\sh> morning lamont :)
[11:06] <dholbach> it's imho not a UDU spec
[11:06] <ajmitch> no
[11:06] <ajmitch> but it was part of our expanding universe discussions
[11:06] <dholbach> yeah
[11:07] <dholbach> and we "impletmented" that wiki page
[11:08] <Tonio-> hi
[11:08] <ajmitch> the implementation was a little fragile & needs love :)
[11:13] <dholbach> yeah, i'm perfectly happy with it
[11:13] <dholbach> Tonio-: sorry for not replying to your mails
[11:13] <dholbach> Tonio-: i had some quite busy days
[11:13] <dholbach> Tonio-: nice to have you here :)
[11:16] <Burgundavia> dholbach, what do you think of the LP idea for UC?
[11:17] <dholbach> i'm perfectly happy with it
[11:17] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[11:17] <dholbach> if it has a comment system, it's all good
[11:17] <dholbach> let's suppose we have an "ITP" for years and another motu asks, if he ca help with it - or requests for help, ...
[11:17] <Burgundavia> sabdfl said they would talk about it at UBZ
[11:18] <dholbach> super
[11:19] <Tonio-> dholbach: no problem, we all are very busy;)
[11:19] <Tonio-> dholbach: I have a little question about breezy release....
[11:19] <dholbach> Tonio-: fire away
[11:20] <Tonio-> dholbach: what will happen to all pending uploads ? simply lost work or ?
[11:20] <dholbach> no, it's not lost work
[11:20] <dholbach> but breezy will be frozen after release
[11:20] <dholbach> we will only be able to push security/important fixes
[11:21] <dholbach> so all what remains will be material for dapper
[11:21] <dholbach> but i will do some review runthroughs and urge other to do the same
[11:21] <dholbach> there's no point in not getting excellently maintained software in, when we face apt-get.org
[11:22] <ajmitch> since it's one of the few things I can do :)
[11:23] <Burgundavia> morning
[11:23] <Burgundavia> or make that night, I am headed to bed
[11:24] <dholbach> ajmitch: come of it, you ROCK :)
[11:24] <ajmitch> dholbach: I mean with my limited time at the moment
[11:25] <dholbach> ok :)
[11:30] <Tonio-> dholbach: I should try to get a motu access to validate packages before breezy then....
[11:30] <dholbach> motu access?
[11:30] <dholbach> i don't quite understand?
[11:31] <Tonio-> dholbach: I think to get a login/password you need to have a signed gpgkey no ?
[11:31] <Tonio-> this is what I call "motu access", not clear sorry ;)
[11:31] <\sh> Tonio-: for revu?
[11:31] <Tonio-> yes
[11:31] <Tonio-> I have eard in the past it was a requirement I think.....
[11:31] <dholbach> Tonio-: you already can upload to it? and you now want to be able to comment?
[11:32] <\sh> Tonio-: for becoming a MOTU yes..but for revu? I don't think so
[11:32] <Tonio-> exactly, to help revuing before breezy's release
[11:32] <Tonio-> ah.... I just would like to post comments to help ;)
[11:33] <Tonio-> not necessary become a motu if that's not a requirement ;)
[11:33] <dholbach> Tonio-: you need to be a MOTU to "approve" packages, but comments are welcome - so if you can help other MOTU hopefuls to get their packages up to scratch, that's cool
[11:33] <dholbach> and i daresay you should show up at a CC and TB meeting soon, to become a MOTU
[11:33] <dholbach> you did excellent work on a million packages now
[11:34] <dholbach> (at least that's how it seemed to me) ;)
[11:34] <\sh> Tonio-: give me your key id please
[11:35] <Tonio-> damn pm are blocked ;)
[11:35] <Tonio-> can you give me your email \sh ?
[11:36] <\sh> Tonio-: only the id...I need to fetch your key from a keyserver
[11:36] <Tonio-> C80644C88A303107
[11:38] <\sh> Tonio-: u uploaded your key to a keyserver?
[11:39] <Tonio-> dholbach: so a non-motu can advocate but not upload is that correct ?
[11:39] <Tonio-> yes
[11:39] <Tonio-> let me tell you....
[11:40] <\sh> Tonio-: please do a gpg --list-key <your main id> and give me this value: pub   1024D/C098EFA8 2005-03-20
[11:40] <\sh> so c098efa8 is my key id...I don't find your id on the keyservers
[11:40] <\sh> Tonio-: no..a non-motu can't advocate
[11:40] <Tonio-> okay
[11:41] <Tonio-> \sh: pub   1024D/8A303107 2005-09-17
[11:44] <ajmitch> sigh, the battery latch for my old laptop is broken
[11:48] <Tonio-> \sh did you find the key?
[11:50] <\sh> yeah..moment
[11:52] <Tonio-> dholbach: a bout pwmanager, you commented that it was okay and uploaded, but I don't find it in universe, is that normal ?
[11:53] <dholbach> Tonio-: emr
[11:53] <dholbach> erm
[11:53] <dholbach> hm
[11:53] <dholbach> dunno
[11:53] <ajmitch> did it get on breezy-changes?
[11:53] <Tonio-> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=316
[11:53] <dholbach> aparently not
[11:53] <dholbach> hrm
[11:53] <dholbach> i will re-upload
[11:55] <ajmitch> hopefully this wxwidgets fix will work.. but I don't have a hoary box to upgrade from at the moment
[11:55] <Tonio-> dholbach: ^^ okay
[11:55] <ajmitch> I think it's the one area that we've overlooked in testing, is upgrades from hoary
[11:56] <ajmitch> something to do in the dapper cycle :)
[11:56] <dholbach> i did two upgrades
[11:57] <ajmitch> dholbach: for example, installing python-wxgtk2.6 doesn't work if you had wxpython2.5.3 installed
[11:57] <ajmitch> which I'm fixing now :)
[11:57] <dholbach> ROCK
[11:58] <\sh> Tonio-: which is the correct one?
[11:58] <\sh> pub  1024D/F25E74CD 2005-07-25 Mercatante <anthony.mercatante@laposte.net>
[11:58] <\sh> sub  1024g/28E2DD3A 2005-07-25
[11:58] <\sh> pub  1024D/8A303107 2005-09-17 Anthony Mercatante <anthony.mercatante@laposte.net>
[11:58] <\sh> sub  1024g/6FEB01E7 2005-09-17
[11:58] <Tonio-> last one
[11:59] <\sh> eeks..
[11:59] <Tonio-> pub  1024D/8A303107 2005-09-17 -> correct one
[11:59] <Tonio-> lost the sub key for the one one due to HDD crash and corrupted backup (no mercy.....)
[12:00] <ajmitch> ouch
[12:02] <Lathiat> so what is zope all about anyway
[12:02] <ajmitch> pure crack
[12:02] <Lathiat> like, how does it compare to other things
[12:02] <Lathiat> say, *nuke, a wiki, rails, django
[12:02] <Tonio-> Lathiat: it is a CRM
[12:02] <ajmitch> it does way more
[12:02] <Tonio-> to refer something well know it can be compared to a kind of phpnuke
[12:02] <ajmitch> a CRM? why do you say that?
[12:03] <ajmitch> Tonio-: plone would be closer to phpnuke, rather than zope
[12:03] <ajmitch> zope is the underlying appserver & framework for building those apps
[12:03] <Tonio-> ajmitch: I agree, it was to give a very global idea
[12:03] <Lathiat> plone uses zope right
[12:03] <ajmitch> launchpad is done on zope, to indicate the levels of crack ;)
[12:03] <ajmitch> Lathiat: yes
[12:03] <\sh> grmpf
[12:03] <Lathiat> right
[12:03] <\sh> siretart / sistopy: HELP
[12:03] <ajmitch> \sh: problems?
[12:03] <Tonio-> Zope is oriented to companies, intranet etc... not especially disigned to websites
[12:04] <dholbach> Tonio-: done
[12:04] <Tonio-> dholbach: thanks :)
[12:04] <dholbach> Tonio-: are you whitelisted on katie already=
[12:04] <dholbach> ?
[12:04] <\sh> ajmitch: did u play with the userdatabase of revu? normally, I need to provide  the keyid to the user, and alter the user to reviewer somehow, and he should get his password in encrypted form from the webpage
[12:04] <ajmitch> well, zope wouldn't be used for any small websites :)
[12:04] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/cheesetracker.debdiff anyone
[12:05] <ajmitch> \sh: no, I haven't had a look round tiber yet
[12:05] <dholbach> Tonio-: if not, could you visit wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads and write a mail according to get your mail adress whitelisted
[12:05] <\sh> ajmitch: but somehow this is not working correctly...
[12:05] <\sh> grmpf..
[12:05] <\sh> have to wait for siretart...there is a need of explanation ,-)
[12:06] <ajmitch> :)
[12:06] <ajmitch> siretart was around 4 hours ago :)
[12:07] <ajmitch> I wonder if I'll be able to upload to main before breezy release :)
[12:07] <\sh> wow...
[12:07] <\sh> siretart is god
[12:08] <\sh> good even
[12:08] <ajmitch> haha
[12:08] <\sh> Tonio-: sorry...no account without a signed key...I have to revoke my statement
[12:08] <dholbach> Tonio-: where do you live again?
[12:08] <\sh> gpg: checking the trustdb
[12:08] <\sh> gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found
[12:12] <dholbach> sebest, jinty, StrikeForce: hellas! :)
[12:13] <StrikeForce> dholbach, hi
[12:14] <sebest> hello!
[12:14] <dholbach> how are you?
[12:14] <ajmitch> hi
[12:14] <StrikeForce> yeah good
[12:14] <sebest> fine thx
[12:14] <StrikeForce> ajmitch, hi how are you
[12:14] <ajmitch> good
[12:14] <StrikeForce> I upgraded my work computer to breezy :(
[12:14] <StrikeForce> then I killed it
[12:14] <ajmitch> sebest: how goes the avahi work?
[12:14] <StrikeForce> I'm pretty wrapped at how good it looks
[12:15] <dholbach> you killed it?
[12:15] <sebest> ajmitch: really well!
[12:15] <jinty> hoi dholbach
[12:15] <ajmitch> sebest: panel applet is about ready for a first release?
[12:15] <StrikeForce> dholbach, yeah
[12:16] <StrikeForce> I accidentaly deleted something
[12:16] <StrikeForce> and for some reason I can't download xserver-xorg anymore
[12:16] <ajmitch> sebest: do you think it'll be ready for breezy?
[12:16] <sebest> ajmitch: i think it's ready for the most part, i'm working on details
[12:16] <sebest> ajmitch: for universe i think it will be soon
[12:16] <\sh> StrikeForce: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop helped me
[12:16] <ajmitch> I haven't heard back about avahi 0.5 debs from Lathiat, but hopefully we can get an UVF exception for them :)
[12:16] <StrikeForce> \sh, I tried that
[12:16] <StrikeForce> \sh, unmet deps
[12:17] <\sh> StrikeForce: hmmm..u don't have the packages left in your local apt archive?
[12:17] <ajmitch> sebest: we're running out of time before release :)
[12:17] <StrikeForce> nope
[12:17] <StrikeForce> which is got me stumped why I can't re-download them
[12:18] <sebest> any way i could help?
[12:18] <ajmitch> sebest: with breezy work?
[12:18] <dholbach> i never quite understood what avahi was
[12:19] <ajmitch> dholbach: the shining jewel of breezy's universe ;)
[12:19] <\sh> StrikeForce: they should be in the archives still...archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg/
[12:19] <sebest> ajmitch: yes
[12:19] <StrikeForce> \sh, I thought so as well
[12:19] <ajmitch> dholbach: you know of apple's bonjour (formerly rendezvous)?
[12:19] <Lathiat> dholbach: network service discovery
[12:19] <StrikeForce> \sh, wasn't when I checked it
[12:19] <StrikeForce> \sh, not sure why though
[12:19] <dholbach> ah ok i see
[12:19] <\sh> 6.8.2-69?
[12:19] <ajmitch> sebest: we've still got plenty of packages to fix, to get installable, or just bugfixing
[12:20] <ajmitch> eg https://launchpad.net/people/motu/+assignedbugs is a list of bugs we've got :)
[12:21] <StrikeForce> \sh, not sure which version since I'm not at that computer
[12:21] <StrikeForce> \sh,  it was on my laptop so I'm going in to check it
[12:21] <\sh> 6.8.2-69 is latest ;)
[12:21] <StrikeForce> cool
[12:21] <StrikeForce> well assuming I can download them it should work
[12:21] <StrikeForce> but it looks very nice
[12:21] <dholbach> Richte avahi-daemon ein (0.4-0ubuntu1) ...
[12:21] <dholbach>  * Restarting Avahi mDNS/DNS-SD Daemon: avahi-daemon Failed to kill daemon: No such file or directory
[12:21] <dholbach>  *                                                                                                                                      [ ok ] 
[12:21] <StrikeForce> ajmitch, same as me
[12:22] <StrikeForce> hence I can't check it :(
[12:22] <ogra> dholbach, looks like the lsb-init implementation isnt done right in the initscript
[12:23] <StrikeForce> lol helps if I remember the ip :(
[12:23] <Lathiat> dholbach: just means it wasn't running to start with
[12:23] <dholbach> restarting worked
[12:23] <dholbach> tough
[12:24] <StrikeForce> With that package that I uploaded rufus lintian complains that they aren't executible which is fine but I can't figure how to make them executible?
[12:24] <StrikeForce> dh_fixperms sets them to 644
[12:24] <ogra> Lathiat, it shouldnt spill an error or should use the lsb-init function for throwing out errors then
[12:24] <StrikeForce> am I able to change that?
[12:24] <Lathiat> ogra: well, its not really an error at all i gu ess
[12:24] <Lathiat> just we aren't supressing that message
[12:24] <Lathiat> (avahi-daemon -k will be spitting that out)
[12:24] <ogra> then use the lsb-init warning function
[12:25] <ogra> or just /dev/null it
[12:25] <StrikeForce> \sh, after a re-update its found the files again
[12:25] <Lathiat> well, like i said
[12:25] <Lathiat> the script doesn't spit it
[12:25] <Lathiat> so we just nee dto /dev/null it
[12:25] <ogra> yup
[12:25] <\sh> StrikeForce: see...everything is working ;)
[12:25] <StrikeForce> \sh, it looks so nice hey
[12:25] <siretart> \sh: you had a question before?
[12:26] <StrikeForce> \sh, any suggestions btw towards that package
[12:26] <siretart> sry, /me busy here
[12:26] <StrikeForce> \sh, that question that I had?
[12:26] <siretart> \sh: ah, about adding users to revu?
[12:26] <StrikeForce> siretart, I'll have to change the bash script under /usr/bin to redirect it to /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages or whatever it is :( as per the python policy
[12:27] <siretart> \sh: well, first, I had the idea of adding users by hand.
[12:27] <StrikeForce> however the python policy states that I'm allowed to not make the files executible as long as the first lines of the python files have /usr/bin/python so I'm not sure but lintian still complains?
[12:27] <siretart> \sh: now users are added automatically on first upload, password is generated by pwgen(1)
[12:28] <siretart> StrikeForce: this is strange
[12:28] <siretart> StrikeForce: perhaps someone in #debian-mentors knows more?
[12:28] <StrikeForce> yeah
[12:29] <Tonio-> dholbach: living in paris
[12:29] <dholbach> Tonio-: WOW
[12:29] <Tonio-> \sh: okay for the keysigning ;)
[12:29] <dholbach> i love paris... if only my french was better :)
[12:29] <ajmitch> dholbach: you'll get to practice some french in montreal :)
[12:29] <Tonio-> haha, do you talk a bit of french ?
[12:30] <dholbach> Tonio-: i manage to understand it quite nicely i found out, i just read harry potter 1-3 in french :)
[12:30] <Tonio-> according to me paris is nice to visit, but to live in.......... pain in the ass, to much parisians here ;)
[12:30] <ajmitch> dholbach: that's pretty good :)
[12:30] <dholbach> Tonio-: but if i'm supposed to do form french sentences it's a nightmare
[12:30] <dholbach> Tonio-: seb128 said: "did you use some automatic translation? it's barely understanadable" :)
[12:31] <Tonio-> dholbach: starting now you will onlu get french emails from me, and I expect french response ;)
[12:31] <dholbach> Tonio-: sure :)
[12:31] <dholbach> Tonio-: bien sur :)
[12:31] <\sh> ok...all replys are like this: "Oui"
[12:31] <Tonio-> you learned me how to package correctly, I will help you in the french understading in return lol
[12:31] <\sh> "No"
[12:31] <dholbach> \sh: non :)
[12:32] <\sh> dholbach: "oui"
[12:32] <ajmitch> heh
[12:33] <Tonio-> dholbach: do you have the link for this website that gives local contacts for keysigning depending on where you live ?
[12:33] <Tonio-> I lost the link ;)
[12:33] <dholbach>     Paris: Pierre Habouzit <madcoder@debian.org>
[12:33] <dholbach>     Paris: Jean-Michel Kelbert <kelbert@debian.org>
[12:33] <dholbach>     Paris: Ralf Treinen <treinen@debian.org>
[12:33] <dholbach> those are debian types
[12:33] <\sh> dholbach: C'est plus facile  dire qu' faire.
[12:34] <dholbach> Tonio-: and: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=paris :)
[12:34] <\sh> and yes..this was dict.leo.org
[12:34] <dholbach> \sh: dico.leo.org?
[12:35] <\sh> dholbach: yepp..they have a french dictionary...
[12:35] <\sh> http://dict.leo.org/?lp=frde&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed&relink=on&sectHdr=on&spellToler=std&search=Was+hast+Du+gesagt%3F
[12:35] <dholbach> yeah, that's the "dico" part of it
[12:35] <Tonio-> okay i'll take contact and see what about.... I just hope it'll not be so long to have time to help before breezy....
[12:35] <dholbach> Tonio-: the deian keys should be good enough
[12:35] <dholbach> Tonio-: i'm not quite sure you'll be a motu before breezy release
[12:36] <dholbach> Tonio-: but the good gpg key is a requirement
[12:37] <Tonio-> okay, I'll take contact today for this and will let you know...
[12:41] <StrikeForce> siretart: I've been told to ignore the lintian errors for the files not being executible? but I still have to put them in /usr/lib/pythonx.y/site-packages
[12:42] <siretart> StrikeForce: install a lintian override, then
[12:43] <StrikeForce> siretart, yeah thats what was suggested
[12:52] <StrikeForce> can someone point me to how to create a lintian override
[12:55] <siretart> StrikeForce: look in /usr/share/doc/lintian/*
[12:55] <StrikeForce> yeah just found it
[12:56] <StrikeForce> siretart, they all suggested because the patch for rufus is 1 line I don't need to use dh_patch but just edit the source and it'll auto patch it
[12:56] <StrikeForce> also
[12:56] <StrikeForce> not re-compile the source but just edit it and go from there
[01:02] <ogra> StrikeForce, look at the bibshelf package to see how lintian overrides work
[01:02] <ogra> (its even a funny override ;) )
[01:05] <xerxas> how do I find a member by it's irc nickname on the wiki or launchpad ?
[01:06] <StrikeForce> ogra, thanks I'll look at it now
[01:06] <StrikeForce> ogra, I think I've figured it out however I'll double check
[01:12] <xerxas> where can I learn stuff on packaging ?
[01:12] <xerxas> should I use fakeroot ? pbuild ?
[01:13] <xerxas> what's the syntax of debian/control ... ?
[01:14] <siretart> xerxas: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[01:14] <siretart> xerxas: read the links in section 'new to packaging'
[01:14] <xerxas> thanks
[01:15] <xerxas> to become an active memeber, I must subscribe in the launchpad, make my wiki page, and then start working  ?
[01:15] <xerxas> packaging, translating ... ?
[01:16] <StrikeForce> ogra, I've followed exactly the same layout as bibshelf however its still not getting rid of the errors?
[01:20] <StrikeForce> siretart, if you have some time I've uploaded it I'm not saying now but later :)
[01:20] <StrikeForce> ajmitch, ding
[01:20] <ajmitch> yes?
[01:20] <siretart> sry /me busy
[01:21] <StrikeForce> ajmitch, if you have a few moments rufus will be up on revu if you can look at it :) please
[01:21] <StrikeForce> siretart, when your not busy :)
[01:21] <ajmitch> *if* I have a few moments ;)
[01:22] <StrikeForce> ajmitch, please :)
[01:32] <havoc> ok, to put ubuntu on my promary workstation today, or not?
[01:33] <ogra> havoc, its always ok to put ubuntu on workstations :)
[01:34] <xerxas> :)
[01:34] <xerxas> does ubuntu provides some debs for firefox extensions ?
[01:34] <havoc> ogra: not sure if I want to do it *today* though
[01:34] <ogra> not to my knowledge
[01:34] <ogra> havoc, why not ?
[01:34] <havoc> ogra: the downtime
[01:34] <ogra> ah, ok..
[01:35] <havoc> (during install and config)
[01:35] <xerxas> ogra:  <ogra> not to my knowledge
[01:35] <xerxas> was it for me ?
[01:35] <havoc> although I have to do it *sometime*
[01:35] <ajmitch> some extensions are packaged
[01:35] <dholbach> havoc: on one of the lists, it took somebody 45min to install it
[01:35] <xerxas> ogra: friefox translations are extensions
[01:35] <ogra> xerxas, yup
[01:35] <Tonio-> xerxas: It doesn't provide any extension actually
[01:35] <ogra> xerxas, ah, ok, these are packaged indeed
[01:35] <havoc> dholbach: the *install* is the easy part
[01:35] <dholbach> havoc: what's the *hard* part?
[01:35] <havoc> it's the restoration of files and configs that's time consuming
[01:36] <xerxas> is it harmfull to provide firefox extensions as deb ?
[01:36] <havoc> xerxas: why would you need them as debs?
[01:36] <xerxas> (and google just got out it's google toolbar for firefox, depending on the license, it might be interesting to package it)
[01:36] <xerxas> havoc: system wide
[01:36] <havoc> ah
[01:36] <havoc> yeah
[01:36] <xerxas> not really usefull though
[01:37] <xerxas> debs are easier to install then xpis
[01:38] <xerxas> apt-cache search myextension ; apt-get install myextensions is faster than googling
[01:38] <ogra> but you cant install debs as a user
[01:38] <xerxas> right :)
[01:38] <havoc> so chillywilly says I should just go right to breezy now
[01:38] <xerxas> breezy is stable :)
[01:38] <ajmitch> ogra: there are a few already like tabbrowser extensions :)
[01:38] <xerxas> breezy works fine for me
[01:38] <ogra> havoc, i'd be careful, there was a lot breakage today in breezy
[01:38] <havoc> ack
[01:39] <ajmitch> unless that's been removed..
[01:39] <xerxas> mozilla-venkman
[01:39] <ogra> ajmitch, sure, but i think leaving it up to the user to install other extensions he wants is fine
[01:39] <xerxas> if I'm correct it's a firefox extension
[01:39] <xerxas> but providing 2 way to install extension is also fine
[01:39] <xerxas> isn't it ?
[01:39] <havoc> what about KDE;  I had heard that it's not part of the main distro?
[01:40] <dholbach> if you take UBUNTU it doesnt get installed by default, but you can install it afterwards
[01:40] <StrikeForce> ajmitch, I found some bugs which I've fixed and re-uploaded it :)
[01:40] <dholbach> if you take KUBUNTU, GNOME doesnt get installed by default (kde does), but you can install it afterwards
[01:41] <havoc> dholbach: but it *is* packaged?
[01:41] <dholbach> of course
[01:41] <havoc> that's fine then
[01:41] <ogra> havoc, and its in main :)
[01:41] <havoc> ogra: cool
[01:41] <xerxas> ubuntu is a distro not a shit :)
[01:41] <havoc> xerxas: blame chillywilly for the misunderstanding ;)
[01:42] <xerxas> I won't blame anyone :)
[01:42] <havoc> I pretty much only use kde, openoffice, galeon, konsole, kontact
[01:42] <xerxas> galeon  ?
[01:42] <havoc> gnome web browser
[01:42] <xerxas> kaleon ?
[01:42] <havoc> no, galeon
[01:42] <havoc> http://galeon.sourceforge.net/
[01:43] <xerxas> I now galeon , but seems strange with konsole, kontact kde
[01:43] <xerxas> ...
[01:43] <havoc> xerxas: yeah :)
[01:43] <xerxas> havoc:  I know galeon , but it's strange
[01:43] <havoc> I use what I like
[01:43] <xerxas> and you're right
[01:43] <havoc> I don't use everything kde/gnome just cuz it's kde/gnome based
[01:43] <xerxas> I do
[01:44] <xerxas> with gnome
[01:44] <xerxas> but I don't use galeon , I use firefox
[01:44] <havoc> ah
[01:44] <havoc> I use firefox/thunderbird on win32
[01:44] <xerxas> I don't use win32 :)
[01:45] <havoc> so, should I try breezy, or just use hoary?
[01:45] <havoc> xerxas: consider yourself lucky then ;)
[01:45] <havoc> I was doing C# development just last month :(
[01:46] <xerxas> havoc:  you're Havoc Pennington ?
[01:46] <havoc> nope
[01:46] <xerxas> we never know :)
[01:47] <xerxas> havoc:  here , my breezy works fine
[01:47] <xerxas> I installed it with colony 3 or 4 don't remember
[01:47] <xerxas> and since i updated
[01:47] <xerxas> and almost everything works fine
[01:47] <havoc> *almost* everything?
[01:48] <xerxas> because I can't say everything
[01:48] <xerxas> even if I don't see a point
[01:48] <xerxas> it's unstable
[01:48] <xerxas> but just works
[01:48] <havoc> what was the "breakage" that ogra was talking about?
[01:48] <xerxas> don't know
[01:48] <ogra> xorg, linux-restricted-modules...
[01:49] <xerxas> ask him
[01:49] <xerxas> he is a developper
[01:49] <xerxas> ogra: xorg isn't much broken anymore , is it ?
[01:49] <havoc> hmm, xorg seems like pretty major breakage ;)
[01:49] <ogra> its fixed now, but its broken on the recent CD build
[01:49] <StrikeForce> ogra, can you have a look at the package in revu?
[01:50] <xerxas> ogra:  colony 5 ?
[01:50] <ogra> is it out alerady ?
[01:50] <xerxas> maybe not
[01:50] <xerxas> :)
[01:50] <havoc> so I should use 5.10 "The Breezy Badger" ?
[01:51] <xerxas> havoc: if you want to be sure it works, to do sage you should install hoary
[01:51] <ogra> havoc, i'd take the last colony and upgrade...
[01:51] <xerxas> if you like playing , risk , and have a bit of free time, you can try breezy and make bug reports if it doesn't work
[01:51] <ogra> havoc, and be careful with that upgrade...
[01:51] <havoc> ogra: so ubuntu-5.10-preview-install-i386.iso and then upgrade?
[01:52] <ogra> wasnt there a colony after preview ?
[01:52] <ogra> if not, then that...
[01:52] <Surak> havoc: there are daily builds.
[01:52] <havoc> what is a "colony"?
[01:52] <havoc> Surak: ah
[01:52] <ogra> another indicator for a good daily is to look at the report.html file in the doenload dir
[01:52] <Surak> I download the live build every day.
[01:52] <xerxas> someone uses rhythmbox here ?
[01:53] <havoc> where are the daily builds?
[01:54] <Surak> havoc: at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[01:54] <havoc> thanx
[01:55] <havoc> Surak: so today's daily is good?
[01:56] <ogra> havoc, if its empty the build should be fine
[01:56] <Surak> havoc: hum, I can tell you in about one hour, it's the time I'll be working :-)
[01:56] <havoc> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/report.html
[01:56] <havoc> looks ok I guess
[01:56] <havoc> Surak: ah
[01:57] <havoc> well, I still have another linux server and a winxp box here I can use
[01:57] <Surak> There were issues with libart these days. I don't know if someone reported it.
[01:57] <havoc> *if* this goes badly
[01:57] <xerxas> rhythmbox 0.9 doesn't support vfs anymore ?
[01:57] <havoc> what is libart for?
[01:57] <havoc> isn't libarts sounds stuff for kde?
[01:57] <Surak> havoc: no, thats arts
[01:58] <havoc> right, so what's libart?
[01:58] <Surak> havoc: libart is a superset of postscript. it's used for the gnome-canvas
[01:58] <havoc> ah, no probs for me then since I'll be using KDE :)
[01:58] <havoc> ok, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/breezy-install-i386.iso it is then
[01:59] <Surak> havoc: I don't know if kde uses it. Don't use kde since 1.x :-)
[01:59] <havoc> Surak: heh, big changes since 1.x ;)
[02:00] <Surak> havoc: yes, this one or the live are ok. I prefer live, I can see if it's ok before I install. By the way, I did a installer for live.
[02:00] <havoc> cool
[02:00] <havoc> I set up a debian server yesterday too :)
[02:00] <havoc> (1st one of *mine*)
[02:01] <havoc> moving away from mandrake/redhat/rpm based systems
[02:03] <Lathiat> nifty
[02:04] <havoc> I;ve been meaning to do it for a while now, but it takes time :(
[02:10] <StrikeForce> I still haven't on my servers
[02:10] <StrikeForce> I'll be doing it on my backup server slowly
[02:10] <StrikeForce> just want to wait till I upgrade it then I've got 2 sets of hardrives
[02:11] <StrikeForce> If anyone wants to REVU rufus please do :)
[02:49] <dholbach> ajmitch: still there?
[02:49] <ajmitch> sort of
[02:49] <dholbach> anyone else familiar with grep-dctrl
[02:49] <dholbach> ah super
[02:49] <ajmitch> :)
[02:49] <dholbach> i can't seem to use the --not operator properly
[02:49] <dholbach> i want packages that depend on xlibs but not on libx11-6
[02:50] <ajmitch> ok..
[02:50] <ajmitch> pass the output through grep -v then
[02:51] <ajmitch> this doesn't work..?
[02:51] <ajmitch>  grep-dctrl -FDepends xlibs < /var/lib/apt/lists/10.18.1.1\:9999_ubuntu_dists_breezy_universe_binary-i386_Packages | grep-dctrl --not -FDepends libx11-6
[02:51] <Mithrandir> grep-dctrl -F Depends  xlibs --and --not libx11-6 /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_main_binary-i386_Packages seems to work for me
[02:52] <ajmitch> or your equivalant..
[02:52] <ajmitch> ah
[02:52] <ogra> like tcpdump :)
[02:52] <ajmitch> makes sense
[02:52] <ogra> just more dashs
[02:52] <ajmitch> heh
[02:52] <ajmitch> anyway, really time for me to sleep :)
[02:54] <havoc> night night
[02:54] <StrikeForce> night mate
[02:54] <dholbach> bye ajmitch
[02:54] <dholbach> sleep tight
[02:57] <StrikeForce> well time to upgrade to breezy on my main comp :)
[03:08] <havoc> 15min till brezzy :)
[03:10] <jaldhar> 16 minutes till dapper? :-)
[03:10] <havoc> 'dapper'?
[03:11] <jaldhar> dapper drake is the next release after breezy badger
[03:11] <havoc> ah
[03:12] <havoc> don't think I wanna try that just yet ;)
[03:14] <ogra> you cant there is no dapper yet
[03:15] <havoc> then there is no problem :)
[03:16] <StrikeForce> 15 mins till dapper?
[03:16] <StrikeForce> I would have thought that would start after breezy is officially released or soon after
[03:16] <Nafallo> StrikeForce: no. 21 days+
[03:17] <Nafallo> and breezy is 19 days :-)
[03:17] <StrikeForce> so there is a break :P
[03:17] <ogra> there is UBZ :)
[03:17] <StrikeForce> UBZ?
[03:17] <ogra> the conference
[03:17] <StrikeForce> ahh k
[03:18] <Treenaks> wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero
[03:18] <jaldhar> I finally got around to installing breezy on my laptop so I should start working for MOTU membership now
[03:18] <ogra> Treenaks, :)
[03:18] <StrikeForce> I'd like to get membership although I've got a long while to go yet
[03:18] <dholbach> jaldhar: that's excellent news
[03:19] <jaldhar> why thankyou Treenaks.  Oh you were talking about the conference
[03:19] <dholbach> jaldhar: you can help us to fix up universe for the release - YAY!
[03:19] <Treenaks> 42!
[03:20] <jaldhar> dholbach: I was mainly planning to maintain the packages I already maintain for Debian but if I can help in other ways, I'll try.
[03:20] <dholbach> super
[03:21] <StrikeForce> dholbach, is there much wrong with universe
[03:22] <dholbach> StrikeForce: we have a couple of lists with br0ken packages, they should all be linked on MOTUTodo
[03:22] <dholbach> (along with the bugs in malone)
[03:22] <StrikeForce> ok I'll have a look as well
[03:22] <dholbach> the test-rebuild of the whole archive is still running, but i suspect, we'll get some work from there too
[03:22] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:23] <dholbach> hey barry
[03:23] <shawarma> Hi, bddebian!
[03:23] <bddebian> Hello Daniel, shawarma
[03:23] <slomo> shawarma: good work with the mms stuff :)
[03:23] <slomo> hi bddebian
[03:23] <dholbach> sebastian!
[03:23] <shawarma> slomo: Thank you!
[03:23] <bddebian> Heya slomo
[03:26] <bddebian> OK what time is it in New Zealand? :-)
[03:27] <slomo> somewhere in the middle of the night probably ;) i would say maybe 5:00 am
[03:28] <desplesda> it's around 00:28
[03:28] <bddebian> Ah thx
[03:28] <bddebian> Hmm, I hate being like partially finished in a bunch of tasks.. :-(
[03:28] <Yagisan> no, it should be 1:30am in NZ
[03:28] <desplesda> Yagisan:  i did say *around* 00:30 :D
[03:29] <Yagisan> (its 11:30pm in Sydney so I just add 2 hours)
[03:30] <bddebian> So anyone an AC_SUBST(FOO) expert? :-)
[03:30] <shawarma> Yagisan: There's two hours difference between Oz and Kiwiland? I thought they were right next to each other..
[03:30] <desplesda> shawarma:  separated by a big bit of water, yes :P
[03:30] <slomo> bddebian: what problem? ;)
[03:31] <shawarma> desplesda: And yet they're two hours apart? Odd.
[03:31] <bddebian> slomo: I still can't get gnat-gps to find cairo.h which is in /usr/include/cairo/ not /usr/include
[03:32] <zyga> dholbach: after signing the key is --send-keys  all that I have to do?
[03:32] <dholbach> zyga: sounds good, yes
[03:32] <slomo> bddebian: want a hack or a solution? ;)
[03:32] <dholbach> zyga: does it get uploaded?
[03:32] <dholbach> bddebian: did you try to change configure.ac?
[03:32] <dholbach> bddebian: and the  Makefile.am s?
[03:32] <zyga> dholbach: beats me
[03:32] <zyga> dholbach: subkeys.pgp.net, B3020F9C
[03:33] <Yagisan> shawarma: well it is a few timezones (depends on where you are, daylight saying etc)
[03:33] <dholbach> zyga: it beats you?
[03:33] <dholbach> zyga: it doesnt work?
[03:33] <bddebian> dholbach: It's not an autoconf package
[03:33] <bddebian> slomo: A solution of course ;-)
[03:33] <zyga> dholbach: sorry I need to go now - bbl
[03:33] <slomo> bddebian: well... AC_SUBST(FOO) is autofoo stuff ;)
[03:33] <dholbach> zyga: see you
[03:34] <bddebian> slomo: I know, that's why I was a little suprised he had be do it
[03:34] <slomo> bddebian: but... when it's no autofoo... just add -I/usr/include/cairo or `pkg-config --cflags cairo` to the CFLAGS in the relevant makefile
[03:35] <bddebian> Hmm, OK, I'll try that thanks slomo
[03:36] <slomo> bddebian: but i'll take a look at that package now ;) AC_SUBST and no autofoo sounds interesting
[03:37] <bddebian> slomo: Oh sure, steal my "glory" ;-P
[03:38] <slomo> bddebian: don't worry... just a look :) and it is autofoo :P you have configure.in and a bunch of Makefile.am
[03:39] <bddebian> Well there is configure.in but no Makefile.am
[03:39] <slomo> i cound 41 Makefile.am in the whole sourcetree
[03:39] <slomo> but toplevel is none... correct
[03:39] <bddebian> Oh, hmm
[03:41] <bddebian> It's the gdk stuff that looks for cairo.h
[03:41] <slomo> hm, gnat seems to be interesting ;) C and ADA IDE ;)
[03:41] <slomo> bddebian: where?
[03:42] <bddebian> slomo: In the source I don't know but that's where it errors on build
[03:42] <xerxas> I'm a new member and want to regenerate a package with a dependancy change.
[03:42] <xerxas> I made it work on my computer
[03:43] <xerxas> but I didn't change the version and didn't upload it
[03:43] <xerxas> how should I process ?
[03:43] <bddebian> xerxas: Do you have upload rights?
[03:43] <xerxas> bddebian: don't think so
[03:43] <xerxas> don't know , but there is no reason I have it
[03:44] <slomo> bddebian: what header file includes cairo.h? gdk.h or gtk.h?
[03:44] <bddebian> xerxas: Then the best thing is probably to either post it to one of the wiki pages or bug one of us MOTUs :-)
[03:44] <bddebian> slomo: It comes in from one of the gdk headers
[03:44] <bddebian> Hang on I'll get it
[03:44] <xerxas> bddebian: I repacakged xchat-systray which is a plugin for xchat
[03:45] <xerxas> it also works on xchat-gnome
[03:45] <xerxas> but xchat-gnome don't provide xchat
[03:45] <bddebian> xerxas: Was it just a dependency change?
[03:45] <xerxas> yep
[03:45] <bddebian> For a build failure or just for the additional functionality?
[03:45] <xerxas> additional functionality
[03:45] <slomo> bddebian: try the following...
[03:46] <bddebian> xerxas: In that case, I hate to say this but you are probably best off posting a wishlist bug on Malone
[03:46] <slomo> bddebian: add CFLAGS="-I/usr/include/cairo" before the configure call in debian/rules
[03:46] <slomo> bddebian: (same line... CFLAGS="...." ./configure.....)
[03:46] <xerxas> bddebian: why so ?
[03:47] <xerxas> and upload my package ?
[03:47] <bddebian> In file included from /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gdk/gdkcairo.h:23,
[03:47] <bddebian>                  from /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gdk/gdk.h:30,
[03:47] <bddebian>                  from /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h:31,
[03:47] <bddebian>                  from /devel/gnat-gps/gnat-gps-2.1.0/widgets/cschtml/cschtml-embedded.h:26,
[03:47] <bddebian>                  from /devel/gnat-gps/gnat-gps-2.1.0/widgets/cschtml/cschtml-embedded.c:25:
[03:47] <bddebian> /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gdk/gdkcolor.h:30:19: error: cairo.h: No such file or directory
[03:47] <slomo> bddebian: try if the error disappears that way... it's just a bloody hack but should work ;)
[03:47] <bddebian> xerxas: Just attach a debdiff along with the bug report.  I say a bug report is probably better only because it affects other users and someone smarter than me can make that determination :-)
[03:47] <slomo> and requires no patching
[03:53] <slomo> bddebian: works?
[03:56] <xerxas> bddebian: how do I use debdiff ?
[03:56] <dereks_> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Gnome
[03:56] <dereks_> i thought that was funny
[03:57] <Yagisan> debdiff old.dsc new.dsc > outfile.debdiff
[04:00] <bddebian> slomo: No worky :-(
[04:01] <slomo> bddebian: ?
[04:01] <chillywi1ly> why is there a firefox 1.0.7 in the archive?
[04:03] <xerxas> Yagisan: thanks
[04:04] <bddebian> slomo: Still didn't build :-(
[04:04] <bddebian> bbiab
[04:04] <slomo> bddebian: hmm, i'll take a look tomorrow maybe... to tired atm
[04:06] <xerxas> what are you trying to build ?
[04:06] <Nafallo> chillywi1ly: well... what is the usual arguments for breaking UVF? ;-)
[04:06] <chillywi1ly> UVF?
[04:07] <chillywi1ly> I was just curious because there's is no 1.0.7 release on mozilla.org...AFAICT
[04:07] <Nafallo> chillywi1ly: yes, upstream version freeze. in effect since july IIRC.
[04:07] <chillywi1ly> oh, yea there is
[04:07] <bddebian> slomo: NP, thx
[04:07] <chillywi1ly> security fix
[04:07] <chillywi1ly> nevermind then :)
[04:09] <xerxas> bddebian: where is malone ?
[04:09] <xerxas> it's in my launchpad ?
[04:09] <ogra> yup
[04:10] <bddebian> xerxas: Yes
[04:10] <bddebian> xerxas: Oh and I'm trying to build gnat-gps
[04:11] <xerxas> gnat is ada stuff ?
[04:11] <xerxas> ada compiler ?
[04:12] <bddebian> Yep
[04:13] <slomo> and this seems to be an IDE ;)
[04:17] <xerxas> I can't attach a debdiff patch to a bug ?
[04:17] <xerxas> it must be in the description ?
[04:22] <bddebian> xerxas: No, I believe there should be an attach option?
[04:23] <StrikeForce> beautiful qdvdauthor is in revu
[04:24] <StrikeForce> marillat has uploaded it
[04:24] <xerxas> bddebian: found it :)
[04:24] <xerxas> thanks
[04:24] <xerxas> reported
[04:24] <slomo> StrikeForce: marillat doesn't have upload rights for ubuntu ;)
[04:26] <StrikeForce> sladen, marillat@debian.org ?
[04:26] <StrikeForce> same person?
[04:26] <StrikeForce> slomo, woops
[04:26] <slomo> StrikeForce: was just synced probably
[04:26] <StrikeForce> slomo: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=617
[04:27] <StrikeForce> I'm just happy thats all :)
[04:27] <slomo> yes, synced from marillat's repository =)
[04:27] <slomo> i wonder why this is on revu
[04:27] <StrikeForce> don't know
[04:28] <slomo> ok, anyway... it is there :)
[04:28] <StrikeForce> yeah good I've wanted it for awhile now
[04:28] <StrikeForce> but could never get it to compile
[04:29] <StrikeForce> now if I could just get xvidcap in there I'd be happy :)
[04:29] <bddebian> xerxas: Thanks, I'll try to take a look at it
[04:39] <ivoks> hellou
[04:41] <ogra> bah
[04:42] <ogra> spread edubuntu !
[04:42] <ivoks> ogra: hi
[04:42] <ogra> hi ;)
[04:42] <ivoks> ogra: will do, next release
[04:42] <ogra> heh
[04:42] <Surak> :-)
[04:42] <ogra> you dont trust my skills eh ?
[04:42] <ogra> :)
[04:42] <ivoks> i hope i would be able to help you with next one
[04:43] <ogra> would be cool
[04:43] <ogra> i'd love to not build it as one man show
[04:43] <ivoks> ogra: no, but it doesn't have some things i would love to see
[04:44] <ogra> ??
[04:44] <ivoks> ldap for one :)
[04:44] <ogra> yup thats a dapper feature
[04:44] <ivoks> i know
[04:45] <ivoks> now i'm just teasing employes here to try ubuntu
[04:45] <ivoks> 2 allready said they will :)
[04:45] <ogra> GO !
[04:46] <ivoks> we have a great thing here...
[04:46] <ivoks> only our 20050923 snapshot is broken :)
[04:46] <ivoks> i should've know that :/
[04:47] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[04:47] <ivoks> hey bddebian
[04:48] <ogra> ivoks, thats what the report.html file in the download dir is for ;)
[04:50] <ivoks> :)
[04:50] <ivoks> i'm MOTU, i don't read reports.htmls :)
[04:50] <ivoks> i realy on my instinct :)))
[04:51] <Surak> :-D
[04:52] <ivoks> omg!
[04:52] <ivoks> i just locked root's password
[04:53] <ivoks> and... i didn't put user in admin group :/
[04:53] <Surak> this is because you rely on your instinct :-)
[04:53] <ivoks> easy to fix, but... eh..
[04:53] <ivoks> installer died in the middle of instalation
[04:54] <ivoks> so i had to do it by hand to the end
[04:54] <ivoks> no problem..
[04:55] <ivoks> nada: zdravo :)
[04:55] <nada> zdravo :)
[04:55] <nada> inace, ja nisam nada.
[04:55] <ivoks> speek english only, please
[04:55] <nada> soory
[04:56] <nada> sorry
[04:56] <ivoks> np, everybody should understand us, so... it's unpolite :)
[04:56] <nada> ok
[04:56] <nada> I'm just setting up the computer for my friend
[04:57] <StrikeForce> grats ivoks
[04:57] <ivoks> thanks
[04:57] <bddebian> w00t, congrats ivoks
[04:57] <StrikeForce> how many more you got?
[04:57] <ivoks> StrikeForce: let's change subject :)
[04:57] <StrikeForce> lol fair enough
[04:58] <ivoks> we have different system for exams..
[04:58] <StrikeForce> ahh fair enough
[04:58] <ivoks> we have to pass 7-8 exams every year to be able to listen next year
[04:58] <StrikeForce> yeah thats the same as us
[04:58] <Surak> nada: ivoks: what language is that? never heard it
[04:59] <ivoks> Surak: croatian
[04:59] <StrikeForce> we have 4 subjects per semester and exams either through the semester or at the end of each semester
[04:59] <ivoks> we too
[05:00] <ivoks> but we have 8 per semester :/
[05:00] <StrikeForce> ouch
[05:00] <ivoks> or 6
[05:00] <ivoks> depends on semester
[05:00] <StrikeForce> is it specific to the course you are doing or is that generic
[05:00] <sistpoty> hi folks
[05:00] <ivoks> i think it's generic
[05:00] <StrikeForce> ahh k we have that if you are studying law, medicine and or pharmacy and a few others
[05:01] <ivoks> medicine has it different
[05:01] <StrikeForce> but simple degrees like business, finance, accounting and things like that you only need to do 4
[05:01] <ivoks> nada: do you have problems setting up your friends computer?
[05:01] <ivoks> 4 semesters?
[05:02] <StrikeForce> 4 subjects per semester
[05:02] <ivoks> ah...
[05:02] <StrikeForce> and major exam per subject
[05:02] <ivoks> i'm on civil engeeniring...
[05:02] <StrikeForce> 1* goes int here
[05:02] <StrikeForce> ahh yeah
[05:02] <StrikeForce> I used to study Mechanical
[05:02] <ivoks> if only i knew it would be so hard...
[05:02] <StrikeForce> gave up after I had to go through thermodynamics
[05:02] <ivoks> :)
[05:02] <ivoks> i have hydrodynamics :)
[05:03] <StrikeForce> I would definately fail all of htat
[05:03] <ivoks> we can fail 3 times
[05:03] <StrikeForce> my lecturer decided to dervice formulas and expect us to do the same thing :(
[05:03] <StrikeForce> we can only fail 1 times then we have to explain why they should let us back
[05:03] <ivoks> :)
[05:04] <StrikeForce> same for the 2nd time then 3rd time you have no more excuses
[05:04] <ivoks> we do that if we fail 4. :)
[05:04] <StrikeForce> it doesn't have to be the same subject its any subjects :(
[05:04] <StrikeForce> hence I gave up
[05:05] <StrikeForce> went on to accounting and finance
[05:05] <StrikeForce> a lot easier
[05:05] <ivoks> we are applying that model starting this year
[05:05] <StrikeForce> yeah pretty hard
[05:05] <ivoks> lucky me, that doesn't count for me :)
[05:05] <StrikeForce> definately not fun
[05:05] <ivoks> i'm still... old school :)
[05:06] <StrikeForce> your lucky then
[05:06] <ivoks> yeah, but we have hard exams...
[05:06] <StrikeForce> can anyone tell me what version the nvidia driver is in ubuntu?
[05:06] <ivoks> one mistake and you fail
[05:06] <StrikeForce> ivoks, I think everyone does
[05:07] <ivoks> but i guess you don't do exam 3,5 hours and than fail cause of one single mistake
[05:07] <StrikeForce> yeah thats true
[05:07] <ivoks> eh... you see :)
[05:07] <sistpoty> StrikeForce: nvidia-glx: 7667
[05:07] <StrikeForce> we have 3-4 hour exams but we have 4 questions
[05:07] <StrikeForce> each worth 25% each most of the time
[05:07] <StrikeForce> sorry we have 6 questions but we can pick any four
[05:08] <StrikeForce> sistpoty, thanks thats what I wanted I dont' have to build it from source :)
[05:08] <ivoks> so as we, but for example, question 1 and 3 are must-have, no mather how good 2 and 4 are
[05:08] <StrikeForce> ahh yeah don't think we have that although I haven't done it in awhile
[05:08] <ivoks> if you do mistake in 1 question, you fail
[05:08] <StrikeForce> they seem to want to make you suffer through university which is wierd?
[05:08] <ivoks> even if you did good all other questions
[05:08] <StrikeForce> yeah thats very different
[05:08] <ivoks> StrikeForce: well, when you look at it...
[05:09] <ivoks> we are going to build buildings
[05:09] <ivoks> and we are going to be responsable for that buildings
[05:09] <StrikeForce> ivoks, yeah thats true but its not going to be just one person building them.  There are checks and balances along the way
[05:09] <ivoks> i know...
[05:10] <ivoks> well, some teachers really look like their only job is to make you suffer
[05:10] <StrikeForce> yeah dont' we have at least 1 of them :(
[05:10] <ivoks> on my faculty you have people that went crazy... :/
[05:10] <StrikeForce> thats not good ;(
[05:10] <ivoks> s/you/few
[05:10] <ivoks> 300 of us was on first year
[05:10] <ivoks> now... maybe 15 on last...
[05:11] <StrikeForce> yeah thats about the same as us
[05:11] <ivoks> avragge is 7-8 years
[05:11] <ivoks> to finish it..
[05:11] <StrikeForce> really
[05:11] <ivoks> avrrage
[05:11] <ivoks> or whatever :)
[05:11] <StrikeForce> ours is 4 - 5 years
[05:11] <ivoks> we can listen same year few times
[05:12] <Surak> I got into university with 150 more people. 8 graduated.
[05:12] <StrikeForce> ahh fair enough
[05:12] <ivoks> couse most people can't do all those exams in time
[05:12] <StrikeForce> bloody hell
[05:12] <StrikeForce> yeah sounds bloody hard
[05:12] <ivoks> to get in 2 year, you have to pass on 8 exams
[05:12] <Surak> only three in the minimum time :-)
[05:12] <ivoks> if you do that, you are brining 2-4 exams from first year
[05:12] <StrikeForce> yeah
[05:12] <StrikeForce> so they group up?
[05:12] <ivoks> and on top of that you have to give another 8 exams from 2 year to get to 3rd
[05:13] <ivoks> so you can see The Hell :)
[05:13] <StrikeForce> oh really you can't do it at your own pace
[05:13] <ivoks> it's worse than dependency hell in debian :)
[05:13] <StrikeForce> as long as we do a minimum of 2-3 subjects per semester we are considered full time and we get assistance from the governement
[05:13] <StrikeForce> lol so true ivoks
[05:13] <ivoks> oh..
[05:13] <ivoks> that's great
[05:13] <StrikeForce> our government give us loans to study at university
[05:14] <ivoks> well...
[05:14] <ivoks> we have free study
[05:14] <StrikeForce> the interest rate is the CPI index which is only 2.5-3.5 % atm which is pretty good
[05:14] <ivoks> for 5 years
[05:14] <ivoks> then they too give up on us :)
[05:14] <Surak> StrikeForce: where do you live?
[05:14] <Yagisan> Australia
[05:14] <StrikeForce> ivoks, we used to except government decided to change that
[05:14] <StrikeForce> yeah Australia
[05:14] <havoc> does everyone ehre run gnome, or do some run kde?
[05:14] <Yagisan> he's talinkg about hecs
[05:14] <Yagisan> talking
[05:14] <StrikeForce> I used to run kde havoc but I had issues
[05:14] <StrikeForce> Yagisan, yup
[05:15] <StrikeForce> Yagisan, how big is it?
[05:16] <StrikeForce> I had mine at about 20k
[05:16] <Yagisan> StrikeForce: two semesters so far, but they failed me because I proved the teacher was an idiot so I have to do it again
[05:16] <StrikeForce> someone else I know had theirs at about 60 k
[05:16] <Yagisan> :(
[05:16] <StrikeForce> Yagisan, :( gotta love Australian lecturers
[05:17] <StrikeForce> yeah I just agree with them cause then they pass you :)
[05:17] <Yagisan> I don't care if they are the lecturer - I run the business - I am in the marketplace - this is how it works in the real world
[05:17] <Yagisan> lecturer (who has never been in the real world) I don't like you - fail
[05:18] <StrikeForce> Yagisan, oh yeah I agree but unfortunately you are in their world and thats how they want it to work
[05:18] <StrikeForce> what do they say if you can't do it in the real world you may as well teach it
[05:19] <Yagisan> if I paid up front I could get away with anything
[05:19] <havoc> ok, workstation is backed up
[05:19] <havoc> now to install brezzy
[05:19] <StrikeForce> you reckon that makes a difference Yagisan ?
[05:20] <Yagisan> well - we proved the full-fee peaying O/S student was cheating (he got his assignment from google groups)
[05:20] <Yagisan> and he was passed - an me failed
[05:20] <Yagisan> :(
[05:20] <StrikeForce> Yagisan, why didn't you bring it up with the Dean?
[05:21] <Yagisan> the head teacher ?
[05:21] <StrikeForce> yeah
[05:21] <Yagisan> he's the one that passed the cheat and failed me
[05:21] <StrikeForce> the school head then if something doesn't happen then the overall head
[05:21] <StrikeForce> lol
[05:22] <StrikeForce> what are you studying?
[05:22] <Yagisan> Bachelor of Information Technology at CSU via distance
[05:22] <Surak> Yagisan: keep a copy, just for proving for people :-)
[05:22] <StrikeForce> ahh yeah fair enough
[05:22] <StrikeForce> Surak, yeah take a photocopy at least
[05:23] <StrikeForce> but you already work out in the real world anyway don't you Yagisan ?
[05:23] <Yagisan> we'll I'm the boss now - I don't *need* it
[05:23] <StrikeForce> Yagisan, same as me :)
[05:23] <Yagisan> but clients would like me to have it
[05:23] <StrikeForce> yeah just adds to it
[05:24] <StrikeForce> clients only care about it while you are a small to medium business then its completly a different set of rules
[05:26] <StrikeForce> interesting just found a bug in my upgrade
[05:27] <Yagisan> StrikeForce: I *am* a small to medium business.
[05:28] <StrikeForce> Yagisan, thats what i mean.  The degree matters
[05:28] <Yagisan> prelink sec fix was accepted
[05:29] <StrikeForce> brb
[05:29] <StrikeForce> gotta reboot for new kernel and hopefully some fixes
[05:33] <havoc> ack
[05:33] <havoc> linux-386 can't be installed
[05:33] <havoc> that's not good
[05:34] <havoc> ok, so don't use today's build if you have x86
[05:35] <havoc> ok, I guess I'll download the preview release then
[05:56] <chillywilly> I think the ati xorg drivers has some issues..I just switched to fglrx and I don't have any problems (3D stuff was locking things up)
[06:01] <bddebian> Damn axiom takes FOREVER to build
[06:08] <bddebian> tseng: You around?
[06:42] <shadoi> Hello, I currently maintain the e17 debian packages.  Is anyone interested in including them with ubuntu officially?  Should I put the effort into building them for dapper, or hoary?
[06:43] <zyga> shadoi: I know that users would be interested
[06:43] <zyga> shadoi: and building them on breezy and breezy + 1 would be very useful
[06:43] <shadoi> Yes, I see that from the forums.  :)
[06:43] <ogra> shadoi, you dont mean the 20 netive packages i can et from a external ressource but real debian packages in debian ?
[06:44] <ogra> *native
[06:44] <zyga> ogra: ?
[06:44] <shadoi> ogra: I haven't gone through the debian developer process yet.  But I may if I can get someone to sponsor me.  :)
[06:44] <vrln> ogra: it's those packages I told you about last week
[06:44] <vrln> ogra: the ones hosted on soulmachine.net
[06:44] <ogra> shadoi, can you repack them non native (with a orig.tar.gz and a diff.gz ?)
[06:44] <vrln> if you still remember
[06:44] <shadoi> My repository is here: http://soulmachine.net/debian/unstable
[06:45] <shadoi> ogra: they're there.
[06:45] <ogra> #yup these are the ones i talk about
[06:45] <ogra> ionly see native packages
[06:45] <zyga> hmmm
[06:45] <zyga> is having a native packagea bad thing?
[06:45] <ogra> yup
[06:45] <slomo> and we already have imlib2 packages iirc
[06:46] <ogra> you need to upload the whole package if you made a one line change
[06:46] <shadoi> ohh.. I know what you mean now.
[06:46] <shadoi> I suppose I can build them that way.
[06:46] <ogra> thats quite odd with 50MB source packages like e17
[06:46] <zyga> ogra: and you don't need to upgrade the whole package on non-native packages? did I miss something
[06:46] <ogra> shadoi, can you make it during the next eek ? we are very near release
[06:46] <ogra> *week
[06:47] <shadoi> ogra: I may be able to work on it this sunday.
[06:47] <zyga> ogra: while we're at it ;-)
[06:47] <ogra> zyga, for a non native package i dont need to upload the orig.tar.gz, only the diff.gz with the one line change
[06:47] <zyga> ogra: could you sponsor my small package into universe?
[06:47] <slomo> hm, our imlib2 packages are even in main... shadoi: try to use them instead of yours when possible
[06:47] <slomo> zyga: upload it to revu
[06:48] <zyga> ogra: I understand now, it's for the backstage stuff, not the user's point of view
[06:48] <shadoi> slomo: ok
[06:48] <zyga> hmm I guess I could since I got my key signed today
[06:48] <shadoi> slomo: it was outdated for a while
[06:48] <shadoi> that's the only reason I was building it.
[06:49] <\sh> slomo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUIM/DesktopIntegrationSIPIM -> go correct errors ,-)
[06:49] <slomo> shadoi: the package in main is 1.2.0
[06:49] <slomo> \sh: when i finished eating... :P
[06:50] <shadoi> slomo: yeah 1.2.1 is in CVS.
[06:50] <ogra> shadoi, make them non native, make sure they build with our available packages and dont introduce any breakage for other package, then we can include them, i'll happily vouch for inclusion if the packaging is right
[06:51] <ogra> note that packages in main wont change or recieve upgrades at this point in the release cycle
[06:51] <shadoi> ogra: ok, I'll setup breezy this weekend and build them.
[06:51] <ogra> (only bug fixes)
[06:51] <ogra> so if you cant make it work with imlib2 1.2.0, we chant help
[06:51] <ogra> cant even
[06:51] <shadoi> yeah I think it'll work.
[06:53] <slomo> shadoi: notify me when your packages seem to be ready and i'll take a look too... so when everything is right you already have your two needed votes ;)
[06:53] <shadoi> slomo: cool :)
[06:54] <ogra> shadoi, and mak sure they are lintian clean, that speeds up stuff a lot ;)
[06:54] <shadoi> ogra: so I just need to do a debian version increase, ie add -2 to the version and dpkg-buildpackage will automatically do a diff right?
[06:54] <shadoi> ogra: yeah, they currently have debugging enabled and lots of other things I'll clean up.
[06:55] <ogra> you need to have a orig.tar.gz available at source package build time, the dpgk will produce a diff.gz additionally ...
[06:55] <ogra> s/the/then
[06:58] <havoc> ok, installing 5.10 now
[06:59] <sistpoty> havoc: you have 5.10 already??? ;)
[06:59] <chillywilly> the preview release most likely
[07:00] <havoc> sistpoty: I have 6Mbps downstream
[07:00] <sistpoty> wow
[07:00] <havoc> yeah, preview
[07:00] <sistpoty> hehe
[07:00] <Nafallo> 6Mbps can download from the future. wow.
[07:00] <havoc> heheh
[07:00] <Nafallo> I wonder what I can do with my 24Mbps when I get that :-P
[07:01] <sistpoty> dl from _far_ future?
[07:01] <havoc> I thought sistpoty meant that it had finished downloading already
[07:01] <\sh> sistpoty: hey dude...we have to add one more role for revu ;)
[07:01] <havoc> hopefully the preview release can at least install the kernel
[07:02] <sistpoty> hi \sh.. what do you mean?
[07:02] <StrikeForce> well that took way to long
[07:02] <StrikeForce> got 2-3 bug reports from the install
[07:02] <\sh> sistpoty: the uploaders doesn't have the rights to login, when I saw it right...
[07:03] <StrikeForce> hey does anyone know what the situation with hal is?
[07:03] <StrikeForce> everytime I shutdown I get an error message with hal saying it hasn't shutdown?
[07:04] <sistpoty> ' \sh: uploaders may log in... but comment only on their on stuff... this will change with revu2
[07:04] <\sh> sistpoty: ok..can we build it into revu1 in an easy approach?
[07:04] <sistpoty> '\sh that uploaders can comment on other but their own uploads?
[07:05] <sistpoty> that might be possible... but i haven't seen revu1 code for some time ;)
[07:05] <\sh> sistpoty: on their own uploads
[07:06] <bddebian> Heya \sh, sistpoty
[07:06] <sistpoty> ' \sh: this is working already
[07:06] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[07:06] <sistpoty> ' \sh are there problems with a new account?
[07:07] <\sh> sistpoty: i wanted to add Tonio today, that he can login..but he doesn't have a signed key
[07:08] <\sh> sistpoty: this we have to change as well...cause he can upload
[07:08] <\sh> but not comment on his uploads
[07:09] <sistpoty> hm... i suppose the problem is somewhere else... i'll try to check
[07:10] <\sh> sistpoty: I added his keyid in the db
[07:10] <\sh> sistpoty: because his keyid was "0" ,-)
[07:10] <bddebian> heh
[07:11] <sistpoty> hm... there is some deeper magic behind that, but i don't know the right spells :/ (siretart was always doing the keyring stuff)
[07:11] <bddebian> heh
[07:12] <sistpoty> '\sh: i guess you used the revu-key-script?
[07:12] <\sh> sistpoty: he was added already
[07:12] <\sh> sistpoty: ( i didn't do it ;))
[07:13] <\sh> sistpoty: but his keyid in Users table was "0" .. so I added his keyid by hand...I have to adjust the alter_user.py thx for reminding me ;)
[07:13] <sistpoty> hehe... imo his entry is created when he does the first upload, but you still have to add his key to the keyring file
[07:14] <\sh> sistpoty: he actually has two keys in the keyring ;)
[07:14] <sistpoty> hm...
[07:14] <sistpoty> <- has no clue about this key-stuff *g*
[07:14] <\sh> k
[07:14] <\sh> I have to find out by myself..no prob ;)
[07:15] <sistpoty> ' \sh what's his email? (i'm just looking at the revu-db)
[07:16] <\sh> anthony.blasomething ;)
[07:18] <sistpoty> hm... entry looks good
[07:20] <sistpoty> sh:  anthony.mercatante@laposte.net? (i just checked this account, everything is working)
[07:20] <\sh> yepp
[07:20] <\sh> I couldn't recover his password from the webpage...
[07:20] <\sh> and when I checked it on the commandline, it told me, this key's not signed
[07:21] <sistpoty> you could take a look into the db (pw's are currently stored plaintext)
[07:22] <bddebian> Nice :-)
[07:22] <\sh> sistpoty: yeah..but what if he forgets his password and wants to recover?
[07:23] <sistpoty> then he *should* get his pw sent by mail, afaik (but i have neither coded nor tested this)
[07:26] <bddebian> wb ivoks
[07:26] <ivoks> funny thing happend right now :)
[07:26] <ivoks> i started synaptic
[07:26] <ivoks> and got response
[07:27] <ivoks> "malicius attacker could be evesdropping"
[07:27] <ivoks> ??
[07:27] <ivoks> :)
[07:28] <sistpoty> hehe, i guess ajmitch owns your machine now *g*
[07:28] <ivoks> can't grab your mouse and keybord, it said :)
[07:28] <ivoks> and then started gksudo :)
[07:29] <sistpoty> lol
[07:39] <havoc> bah
[07:39] <havoc> ubuntu is not cooperating
[07:57] <spstarr_work> erm, network-manager build is broken in breezy
[07:57] <spstarr_work>  there's no NetworkManagerInfo binary in the packaging
[07:57] <spstarr_work> 0.4.1+cvs20050817-0ubuntu
[07:57] <dholbach> spstarr_work: it's a univer package and j^ is the one you might want to talk to
[07:58] <spstarr_work> yes
[08:05] <j^> spstarr_work its called nm-applet
[08:05] <j^> in case you are looking for the applet
[08:05] <spstarr_work> NetworkManagerInfo
[08:05] <spstarr_work> it wont run without it
[08:05] <j^> thats from nm 0.3 in NM 0.4.x its called nm-applet
[08:06] <havoc> so is there a 'refered' way to mess with X in ubuntu?
[08:06] <havoc> since it failed to detect my card and has me stuck at 640x480
[08:06] <spstarr_work> hmm?
[08:09] <spstarr_work> gah
[08:09] <spstarr_work> NetworkManager daemon coredumps
[08:09] <\sh> havoc: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:09] <spstarr_work> ok, well that wont help nm-applet
[08:09] <spstarr_work> it finds my eth0 (e1000), but eth1 ipw2200 crashes it
[08:09] <havoc> \sh: thanx
[08:09] <spstarr_work> hmm
[08:10] <havoc> too bad it locked up
[08:10] <\sh> havoc: reboot and edit the kernel line in grub and add single
[08:11] <havoc> what's 'single' do?
[08:12] <spstarr_work> single user mode
[08:12] <havoc> ah
[08:12] <j^> spstarr_work what does syslog say?
[08:12] <havoc> no ssh either?
[08:12] <spstarr_work> j^ looking, but the ipw2200 is spewing lots of log info too
[08:13] <spstarr_work> ah
[08:13] <\sh> havoc: single user mode...u can fix stuff, or boot into maintainance mode..to not start the x server, but to fix the xserver conf
[08:13] <spstarr_work> dhcdbd
[08:14] <spstarr_work> message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.reason
[08:15] <j^> spstarr_work i get that too
[08:15] <j^> thats not the problem
[08:15] <spstarr_work> the segfault is occuring after it tries to look at eth1
[08:19] <j^> you could start NetworkManager --no-daemon
[08:19] <spstarr_work> that shows the crash
[08:19] <j^> and use strace or gdb
[08:19] <spstarr_work> gdb shows garbage :( no symbols
[08:25] <j^> spstarr_work could you find any hint?
[08:26] <spstarr_work> malloc_trim
[08:26] <spstarr_work> but no symbols from NetworkManager itself
[08:26] <spstarr_work> just GNU libc
[08:26] <j^> hm, can you try to restart dbus
[08:26] <dholbach> does network-manager crash a lot?
[08:27] <dholbach> if so, you may want to introduce a -dbg package
[08:27] <j^> dholbach it did not crash here for the last months, nautilus does
[08:27] <spstarr_work> that would be helpful, i'll pull the package if you have it :)
[08:27] <dholbach> ok
[08:27] <spstarr_work> j^: Crashed still, no daemon running after dbus restarts all the Network* daemons (2)
[08:28] <dholbach> spstarr_work: this should help too: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[08:28] <j^> dholbach its the first time someone reports a crash
[08:28] <spstarr_work> first time?
[08:28] <spstarr_work> wow
[08:29] <j^> spstarr_work like this, its the first time yes, there was one deadlock but no crash
[08:30] <spstarr_work> I am using the 0.4.1+cvs build in breezy
[08:30] <spstarr_work> but aptitude finds no debug symbol stub package
[08:30] <dholbach> spstarr_work: there is none, i was merely suggesting it as an idea
[08:30] <spstarr_work> or can I build the package and produce symbols
[08:30] <dholbach> spstarr_work: this should help too: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[08:31] <spstarr_work> you mentioned that ;)
[08:31] <dholbach> yeah
[08:31] <dholbach> that's the answer
[08:31] <dholbach> again ;)(
[08:31] <dholbach> ;-)
[08:31] <spstarr_work> er
[08:31] <spstarr_work> sec gonna build it
[08:31] <dholbach> rock
[08:33] <spstarr_work> hrm, missing dpkg-source
[08:34] <spstarr_work> dpkg-dev
[08:34] <dholbach> you want devscripts and dpkg-dev
[08:34] <spstarr_work> yeah never installed those
[08:34] <dholbach> yeah, you need them for proper package building
[08:39] <sistpoty> yippieh... i think i finally fixed hmake :)
[08:39] <\sh> sistpoty: wooot?
[08:39] <spstarr_work> feh, dependency hell
[08:39] <sistpoty> ' \sh: well, it still has to go thru pbuilder
[08:40] <spstarr_work> -2 is newer than -1 and thus it wont build
[08:42] <markuman> im on amd64, i can build amd64 deb packages. but is it possible to build x86 package too? so are there any ./configure options ?
[08:42] <havoc> does 'single' mode have networking?
[08:42] <\sh> havoc: for what? u only have to fix the bugs and reboot ;)
[08:42] <sistpoty> grrr... hmake builts, but it's postinst fails :( damn beast!
[08:42] <\sh> or enter `init 3`
[08:43] <mitsuhiko> can someone explain me why there is a "moin" package in the repo, as well as a unsupported "python-moinmoin" package with a newser version?
[08:43] <havoc> \sh: ok, so I *can* pass init args
[08:43] <\sh> havoc: from the commandline yes
[08:58] <zyga> dholbach: ping
[08:58] <dholbach> zyga: pong
[08:59] <zyga> dholbach: how can I continue my revu process having a signed key now?
[08:59] <dholbach> wow, you're fast
[08:59] <Mario___> Hello people
[08:59] <dholbach> wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU has the solution
[08:59] <dholbach> hi Mario___
[08:59] <\sh> zyga: u uploaded your key to a keyserver?
[08:59] <Mario___> I need to register a username, I know :p
[09:02] <zyga> \sh: only the unsigned key
[09:02] <\sh> zyga: write a mail to siretart or to me or to sistopy with your keyid (it must be uploaded to a keyserver) and ask for add to the keyring
[09:02] <\sh> zyga: update your key
[09:02] <zyga> \sh: k
[09:02] <spstarr_work> fixed
[09:02] <\sh> so it takes at least 24h that all keyservers are updated
[09:02] <spstarr_work> odd, i had a newer package that shouldn't exist
[09:02] <mitsuhiko> hm. about the moin thingy. i've posted a bug report. maybe someone can review it: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16164
[09:02] <spstarr_work> libxrender1-0.9.0-2 when ubuntu needs -1
[09:03] <\sh> mitsuhiko: wrong tracker ;) malone u want to use ;) or is moin in main?
[09:03] <mitsuhiko> \sh: in main
[09:03] <mitsuhiko> \sh: a bit tricky. half of it is in main ^^
[09:04] <\sh> mitsuhiko: ok..then it's correct..main devs are looking at it..no worries
[09:05] <spstarr_work> j^: building network-manager now...
[09:05] <spstarr_work> done
[09:06] <sistpoty> hehe
[09:06] <bddebian> \sh: Awe come on, that should be your best work. ;-P
[09:09] <\sh> bddebian: no :)
[09:10] <dsas> does anyone know any names of simple packaged python programs I could download to take apart the deb?
[09:10] <Surak> apt-python?
[09:10] <bddebian> I'd better stop uploading then. ;-P
[09:10] <\sh> ;)
[09:10] <\sh> who was on the motu security team?
[09:10] <dholbach> astharot
[09:11] <\sh> trying to get infinity into the team ;)
[09:12] <spstarr_work> found crash
[09:12] <spstarr_work> j^
[09:12] <spstarr_work> #2 nm_dispose_scan_results
[09:12] <spstarr_work> #3 nm_device_supports_wireless_scan
[09:12] <spstarr_work> #4 nm_device_new
[09:13] <spstarr_work> NetworkManagerUtils.c: Line 367\
[09:13] <spstarr_work> yes it tries to probe the wireless card
[09:14] <spstarr_work>  /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/net_macaddress
[09:14] <spstarr_work> DEVICE_TYPE_DONT_KNOW
[09:14] <havoc> how would I disable the screen saver from the commandline?
[09:14] <havoc> as it locks up everytime I load the control panel thing for it in gnome
[09:14] <dsas> Surak: I can't find apt-python "https://www.nochex.com/nochex.dll/account/forgotpass"
[09:14] <dsas> whoops
[09:15] <dsas> sudo apt-get source apt-python "Unable to find a source package for apt-python"
[09:16] <spstarr_work> num_net_devices = 2
[09:16] <spstarr_work> iface eth1
[09:16] <spstarr_work> found eth0, eth1 as expected
[09:24] <spstarr_work> memory leak!
[09:24] <spstarr_work> tmp = tmp->next;
[09:24] <spstarr_work> free(tmp2);
[09:24] <spstarr_work> wireless_scan *tmp2 = tmp;
[09:24] <spstarr_work> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:32] <spstarr_work> j^
[09:32] <spstarr_work> it breaks on free(tmp2);
[09:32] <spstarr_work> in NetworkManagerUtils.c: Line 367
[09:32] <spstarr_work> debugging why if something in tmp2 is not freed
[09:32] <spstarr_work> dangling pointer will be left
[09:32] <spstarr_work> #2 nm_dispose_scan_results <-
[09:33] <j^> so something does wrong while scanning
[09:33] <spstarr_work> yeah
[09:33] <j^> iwlist eth0 scanning
[09:33] <j^> works?
[09:34] <spstarr_work> yes but warns
[09:34] <j^> that might be the problem
[09:34] <spstarr_work> driver = v0.19, userspace = v0.18
[09:34] <spstarr_work> ubuntu's wifi userspace tools are older
[09:34] <j^> NetworkManager needs working scanning support for wireless devices
[09:35] <spstarr_work> nonetheless, scanning shows me APs all over
[09:35] <spstarr_work> it just warns this message
[09:35] <spstarr_work> Warning: Driver for device eth1 has been compiled for version 19 of Wireless Extension, while this program supports up to version 18. Some things may be broken...
[09:36] <spstarr_work> and continues to display
[09:36] <spstarr_work> eth1: Scan completed:
[09:36] <spstarr_work> Cell 1...etc
[09:36] <j^> hm
[09:36] <spstarr_work> what next? :)
[09:37] <j^> you might file a bug at bugzilla.gnome.org or write a mail to networkmanager-list@gnome.org
[09:37] <j^> since i do not have a ipw2200 i can not test it right now
[09:37] <j^> anyone with a ipw2200 using NetworkManager around?
[09:40] <j^> or you could try to compile http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/ yourself
[09:40] <spstarr_work> emailed
[09:40] <spstarr_work> did
[09:41] <spstarr_work> im using 2.6.14-rc2 with ipw2220 1.0.6 / ieee 1.0.3 (external to kernel)
[09:41] <j^> ah so you are not using the ubuntu kernel?
[09:41] <j^> can you try that?
[09:41] <ogra> meh, no wonder its out of sync with the userspace tools
[09:42] <spstarr_work> cant use ubuntu kernel, hardware on laptop is dependent on mainline
[09:42] <j^> that is most likely the problem
[09:42] <spstarr_work> should still not break
[09:43] <spstarr_work> if running iwconfig scanning works NetworkManager should not crash
[09:43] <j^> no
[09:44] <j^> you might need a newer version of libiw-dev
[09:44] <j^> the wireless framework was reworked quite a bit in 2.6..13
[09:44] <spstarr_work> and newer version of libiw
[09:45] <spstarr_work> and iwconfig/iwlist
[09:46] <spstarr_work> ubuntu only has 0.27, 0.28
[09:47] <spstarr_work> intersting
[09:47] <spstarr_work> commenting out the free() i get the warning from the lib
[09:47] <spstarr_work> then a glibc exception realloc()
[09:49] <spstarr_work> i could.. just bump the version in wireless.h ;-)
[09:49] <spstarr_work> 18 -> 19 ;p
[09:49] <spstarr_work> let's see...
[09:50] <spstarr_work> IT WORKED
[09:50] <spstarr_work> hahahahahahahaha
[09:50] <spstarr_work> ok well
[09:50] <spstarr_work> that was easy
[09:51] <spstarr_work> now let's try to restart gnome to see the applet
[09:51] <spstarr_work> dbus wants org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo
[09:52] <j^> changing the version from 18->19 fixed the crash?
[09:52] <spstarr_work> yes
[09:52] <spstarr_work> NetworkManager is now running
[09:52] <j^> org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo is in nm-applet.conf
[09:53] <j^> /etc/dbus-1/system.d
[09:53] <spstarr_work> i see that
[09:53] <spstarr_work> but its not able to connect to :1.8
[09:53] <spstarr_work> due to security policies in the configuration file
[09:53] <spstarr_work> grr
[09:54] <spstarr_work> isn't that what SELinux was supposed to do?
[09:54] <spstarr_work> dbus should let SELinux handle the security
[09:55] <j^> spstarr_work so all in all you are not using ubuntus base system
[09:55] <ogra> guys can you take that elsewhere ? thats neither motu nor packaging related
[09:55] <spstarr_work> originally debian unstable
[09:55] <ogra> and quite offtopic for this channel
[09:56] <spstarr_work> j^: #ubuntu-devel? :)
[09:56] <ogra> do it in a query ;)
[09:58] <j^> spstarr_work what about #NetworkManager
[10:09] <sistpoty> ogra: I'd like to request an UVF-exception for hmake (current is broken and FTBFS)
[10:10] <slomo> sistpoty: where did you get a working version? i didn't find one :( btw, new upstream will also fix c2hs but you have to change the packaging because they changed their buildsystem to cabal
[10:11] <sistpoty> slomo: actually from the place in the watch file of the old version
[10:11] <slomo> sistpoty: hmm
[10:11] <ogra> sistpoty, can it break anything else ?
[10:11] <sistpoty> slomo: i had to tweak some things however (this was this afternoons work)
[10:12] <slomo> sistpoty: maybe i was drunken ;) iirc i found nothing working
[10:12] <sistpoty> ogra: i don't know yet... as quite many haskell stuff which might depend on it is currently broken, but i'm quite sure it can't break stuff currently working
[10:12] <dholbach> have a nice evening, i'm out for a beer
[10:12] <sistpoty> cya dholbach
[10:13] <slomo> sistpoty: it can't break stuff currently broken... should be save
[10:13] <sistpoty> slomo: it didn't build with just the old debian-stuff copied ;)
[10:14] <slomo> sistpoty: iirc it didn't even build when building by hand... or that was another package ;)
[10:15] <sistpoty> hm... it didn't make any problems if you forced it to use ghc6 instead of haskell-compiler
[10:15] <ogra> sistpoty, sounds sane, if the packaging is ok, go ahead, but let someone look over the package (preferably slomo, since he seems to have worked on i already a bit)
[10:16] <ogra> s/i/it
[10:16] <sistpoty> k, thx
[10:16] <sistpoty> slomo: it's on revu
[10:16] <slomo> sistpoty: hmm *shrug* i'll take a look
[10:16] <slomo> maybe i mix this with c2hs or something
[10:16] <sistpoty> btw.: there are two cvs-files in the orig-tarballs... should these be removed (which imo corrupts the orig) or be left in there
[10:16] <slomo> all the haskell stuff is annoying ;)
[10:16] <sistpoty> hehe
[10:16] <slomo> sistpoty: i would keep them... they don't hurt
[10:17] <sistpoty> apart from the lintian-warnings you are right ;)
[10:17] <ogra> keep them or removen them in rules...
[10:17] <ogra> -n
[10:18] <sistpoty> ogra: they aren't installed
[10:18] <slomo> sistpoty: what is with your other revu update-uploads?
[10:18] <slomo> \sh_away: what is with the vpnc upload in revu?
[10:18] <sistpoty> slomo: what do you mean? haskell-utils/rscheme?
[10:18] <ogra> sistpoty, nope, but to get lintian quiet you can remove them through rules...
[10:18] <slomo> sistpoty: yes
[10:19] <ogra> slomo, the nm-vpnc ?
[10:19] <slomo> ogra: removing in rules doesn't help with lintian... the files will still be in the source package
[10:19] <sistpoty> ogra: ah, i c
[10:19] <slomo> ogra: nm?
[10:19] <ogra> slomo, network-manager
[10:19] <slomo> ogra: no... http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=618
[10:19] <sistpoty> slomo: haskell-utils was a quick shot... it should rather be synced than this package
[10:20] <slomo> sistpoty: then please request a sync from elmo :)
[10:20] <ogra> slomo, true... sistpoty just leave them there
[10:20] <slomo> \sh_away: ignore me... it was the other sh ( shawarma )
[10:20] <sistpoty> slomo: however iirc we have a newer version than debian... is syncing possible then?
[10:20] <slomo> sistpoty: we have a NEWER version? why do we want to sync then? ;)
[10:21] <ogra> slomo, warma.dk ? are you sure thats our \sh ?
[10:21] <sistpoty> it was some fiddling with build-deps only, no real changes
[10:21] <slomo> ogra: no... it's the other sh... see above ;)
[10:21] <ogra> ah
[10:22] <ogra> thats quite yonfusing
[10:22] <slomo> sistpoty: so debians version is... lets say x.y.z-1 and we have x.y.z-1ubuntu1? and the -1 is ok now?
[10:22] <ogra> con even
[10:22] <sistpoty> slomo: imo it is, but i need to check this before
[10:23] <slomo> sistpoty: ok... but a sync will not work then... we need a higher version ;)
[10:23] <slomo> sistpoty: just upload -1ubuntu2 or whatever that would be
[10:23] <slomo> sistpoty: do you already have upload rights?
[10:23] <sistpoty> slomo: no, i'm no motu yet
[10:23] <slomo> sistpoty: ok... give me the debdiff and i'll upload it :)
[10:24] <sistpoty> ok
[10:25] <sistpoty> slomo: but imo this has no high prio, as the current version actually is working. a synced one would have the only difference, that there are binaries instead of interpreted haskell progs
[10:26] <ogra> slomo, what i approved already as exception was http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=541 , but it seems to need some packaging work...
[10:27] <slomo> sistpoty: well, give me the debdiff ;) even small improvements are worth an upload imho
[10:28] <sistpoty> oke
[10:28] <sistpoty> ogra: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=635 would also break uvf (rscheme)
[10:29] <slomo> sistpoty: what is rscheme? scheme stuff?
[10:29] <sistpoty> yep
[10:29] <slomo> sistpoty: err... scheme, the lisp stuff ;) or scheme as in one of the many other meanings
[10:29] <sistpoty> the things with lambda's ;)
[10:30] <slomo> ok... the good thing :)
[10:30] <slomo> what does it do? is it a interpreter or compiler?
[10:30] <sistpoty> i needed to pull the source, and was the 7th person who dl'ed it according to the webpage
[10:31] <sistpoty> actually an interpreter... it shall be a compiler as well, though i did test the interpreter only
[10:31] <sistpoty> (i found out, that i wasn't able to program a simple function any more *g*)
[10:32] <slomo> sistpoty: (display bla) =)
[10:32] <sistpoty> hehe
[10:32] <slomo> at least guile accepts it
[10:32] <slomo> but i'll take a look at it later :) then we only need ogra to approve it ;)
[10:33] <ogra> slomo, if you are confident, i'm fine ...
[10:33] <slomo> ok
[10:33] <ogra> :)
[10:36] <slomo> sistpoty: do you like weird languages? ;)
[10:37] <sistpoty> not really... but i held lessons in scheme on university ;)
[10:37] <slomo> for dapper we should try to get ghc working with gcc 3.4 or 4.0...
[10:37] <sistpoty> for 1st term students
[10:37] <slomo> hmm, we learned some sml a few weeks ago ;)
[10:37] <slomo> and prolog
[10:38] <sistpoty> yes, we should... probably then a new version will be out
[10:38] <slomo> but scheme is nicer imho :) not useful but nice ;)
[10:38] <sistpoty> oh, never did anything with sml/prolog yet
[10:38] <sistpoty> hm... for scheme the brackets suck
[10:39] <sistpoty> you end up counting brackets imo *g*
[10:39] <slomo> why does everybody hate the brackets? ;) get an editor that shows which brackets belong together :P
[10:39] <sistpoty> hehe
[10:39] <slomo> but sml is interesting too... just that we don't have a working compiler/interpreter anymore :(
[10:40] <sistpoty> is this s.th. like caml? or a completely different thing
[10:40] <slomo> smlnj ist complety broken upstream and in debian... and mosml is debian incompatible... but i think we can have this in universe ;) so when someone wants to package it
[10:40] <slomo> should be similar to caml
[10:40] <slomo> let's see *googles*
[10:40] <sistpoty> ah... quite nice (though i can't program it)
[10:41] <sistpoty> muahaha, there is a newer debian-version of haskell-utils, which actually is (apart from the changelog) the very same we have
[10:42] <sistpoty> seems like utnubu is working
[10:42] <slomo> hehe
[10:42] <slomo> or the debian maintainer looked at packages.qa.debian.org for his package ;)
[10:43] <sistpoty> it was a nmu
[10:43] <slomo> ok... then maybe just sync?
[10:44] <sistpoty> will this be helpful to reduce syncing work in the future?
[10:44] <slomo> yes
[10:44] <slomo> it will be synced automatically in the future
[10:44] <slomo> ah... i forgot hmake ;)
[10:45] <slomo> builds on ppc and looks fine... uploaded :)
[10:45] <sistpoty> :)
[10:45] <slomo> so just tell elmo to sync... when the package really works for us ;)
[10:45] <sistpoty> i don't object to a sync... (even if this won't change anything)
[10:45] <slomo> why?
[10:46] <sistpoty> because we have this version already in the archive ;)
[10:46] <sistpoty> apart from reduced syncing business in the future
[10:46] <slomo> yes... but that's imho a good reason ;)
[10:46] <slomo> otherwise it will be handled by MoM
[10:47] <slomo> and will cause work ;)
[10:47] <sistpoty> oke
[10:49] <slomo> just tell him what todo... by mail or in irc ;)
[10:49] <sistpoty> i'm just trying to ping him ;)
[10:49] <slomo> i'll archive haskell-utils then?
[10:50] <sistpoty> yes
[10:50] <slomo> don't ping him... he will pong when you're asleep or something ;)
[10:50] <sistpoty> oh
[10:50] <sistpoty> then i'll write a mail
[10:52] <slomo> hm, why is the rscheme package native in debian?
[10:53] <sistpoty> i don't have the slightest clue
[10:54] <sistpoty> perhaps this was packaged a little too fast (the control file had some minor errors)
[10:55] <sistpoty> apart from that it's a really good packaging work from the dd imo
[10:57] <slomo> hmm
[10:57] <slomo> well, the original tarball contained temporary autofoo stuff
[10:58] <slomo> but that's no reason for native packages ;)
[10:58] <sistpoty> oh, did it? haven't looked really well at it then ;)
[10:58] <sistpoty> btw.: i just wrote elmo a mail, and cc'd you
[10:59] <slomo> sistpoty: elmo synced something a few seconds ago... and i asked just before you joined -devel ;)
[11:00] <sistpoty> oh
[11:02] <slomo> what are this mcf and mif files which rscheme builds?
[11:03] <siretart> ogra: requesting UVF exception for tvtime: 0.9.15-1ubuntu2 -> 1.0.1-2ubuntu1. rationale: fixes ftbfs on x86 + enables xinerama/dual head setup. tested on my machine on amd64
[11:03] <siretart> hi folks, btw
[11:03] <sistpoty> huhu siretart
[11:03] <siretart> hi sistpoty
[11:04] <sistpoty> siretart: sorry, had no time to meet you today
[11:04] <bddebian> Heya siretart
[11:04] <ogra> siretart, go ahead, ftbfs fixes dont need UVF exception
[11:04] <siretart> sistpoty: I was also quite short on time, did join johannes quite late
[11:04] <siretart> ogra: noted. thanks :)
[11:04] <ogra> (aslong as they dont break anything else)
[11:04] <sistpoty> slomo: not quite sure on this... but imo one of this is c-files translated from scheme
[11:04] <siretart> huhu bddebian
[11:05] <siretart> sistpoty: but we stayed until 20:00 at uni ;)
[11:05] <sistpoty> wow
[11:07] <bddebian> Catch you in a few gang
[11:09] <slomo> sistpoty: http://www.rscheme.org/rs/
[11:09] <slomo> sistpoty: look at the box at the top
[11:09] <slomo> sistpoty: it builds fine on ppc :)
[11:09] <Surak> is this a correct time to ask for help on polishing a modem module package so it can get into multiverse some day?
[11:11] <sistpoty> slomo: cool :) imo the webpage is a little bit outdated
[11:12] <Surak> the package is fine, however I would like that one of the MOTUs take a look at it.
[11:12] <sistpoty> slomo: apart from that i've seen a patch for ppc from the dd
[11:13] <slomo> sistpoty: which you probably dropped?
[11:13] <sistpoty> slomo: no, they applied just fine
[11:14] <slomo> ok, so they were not in the native package outside debian?
[11:14] <sistpoty> no, the dd used dpatch ;)
[11:14] <slomo> wonderful :)
[11:14] <slomo> uploaded
[11:14] <sistpoty> cool :)
[11:15] <ivoks> just when you think you saw it all...
[11:15] <ivoks> i was in professional sport for 10 years
[11:15] <ivoks> i mean, i saw judges judging everything...
[11:15] <ivoks> but what i saw today...
[11:16] <siretart> damn
[11:16] <siretart> I missed the -v parameter to debuild -S :(
[11:18] <ivoks> i say, hell with EU
[11:19] <slomo> sistpoty: got the accepted mail for rscheme?
[11:24] <siretart> before I make more mistakes, gn8 folks
[11:25] <ivoks> 'night
[11:26] <slomo> gn8
[11:28] <sistpoty> gn8 siretart
[11:28] <sistpoty> slomo: yes, got the mail
[11:29] <slomo> ok, fine :)
[11:33] <slomo> gn8
[11:39] <Surak> good night people.
[11:41] <_tonio> nite