[12:00] <kataklsym> can someone here help me with my webcam?
[12:00] <kataklsym> i have the drivers installed
[12:00] <kataklsym> now it wont access the cam
[12:00] <kataklsym> i had it working in RHEL4, but now in ubuntu i cant figure out what is wrong
[12:01] <Seveas> rekrutacja, I agree with that, but since breezy is still under development, updates are more easily accepted
[12:01] <phillipc> will breezy go to gst 0.9?
[12:01] <Seveas> no
[12:01] <Seveas> ^-- phillipc
[12:01] <phillipc> cool, thanks
[12:01] <erUSUL> karen: you mean that the jobs are paused? in System-->Admin -> printers open your printer (listed there) you can pause it in the first menu
[12:01] <karen> yes
[12:02] <karen> jobs are paused
[12:02] <rekrutacja> seveas do you know who is ubuntu maintainar of firefox packages? in package info there is some debian email address, so i suspect it's a debian developer, and sending him information about ubuntu is not going to work
[12:02] <Seveas> rekrutacja, there is no single maintainer per package like in debian
[12:03] <Seveas> all developers can touch all packages
[12:03] <kuroishinzoo> how do i install amsn??
[12:03] <kuroishinzoo> or msn??
[12:03] <dv_> hello
[12:03] <dv_> i have some problems with java and firefox
[12:03] <srosco> hi
[12:03] <dv_> i use the sun-j2sdk1.5 package,
[12:03] <Cimmerian> hi, does anyone know how to make openoffice use the gtk ui when running outside of gnome (using e17)?
[12:03] <Seveas> but Martin Pitt (pitt, martin.pitt [at]  ubuntu.com) is security team lead
[12:03] <rekrutacja> seveas could you report this as an issue to developers? i think this is a serious one
[12:03] <spoilerhead> kuroishinzoo, usegaim
[12:03] <dv_> but the plugin symlinked in the firefox plugin dir points to a non-existing .so
[12:03] <Seveas> kuroishinzoo, applications -> internet -> gaim
[12:04] <karen> erUSLU--- i had someone set all this up for me , not sure what i'm doing
[12:04] <Seveas> there's an IM client that supports msn
[12:04] <rekrutacja> seveas, thanks, i will send him an email
[12:04] <erUSUL> karen: the window where the jobs are listed has two menu entries where you can pause the printer or the jobs. i asume you tried there?
[12:04] <Seveas> rekrutacja, do know that he is probably working on it now
[12:04] <kuroishinzoo> okey thanks.. ;)
[12:04] <thechitowncubs> what channel/server is open office in?
[12:04] <karen> i haven't tried anything because i'm learning to use the computer
[12:04] <erUSUL> karen: the menus are Printer and Edit
[12:05] <karen> yes
[12:05] <karen> i guess from pressing print over and over
[12:05] <karen> it's showing numerous printing
[12:06] <Coster> yo
[12:06] <karen> erUSUL  can you send me a message at HamNcheeseGirl
[12:06] <kuroishinzoo> hahaha.. how the fck does gaim work??
[12:07] <deus> I have to remove a group from my user
[12:07] <spoilerhead> enter your account data, and voil
[12:07] <thechitowncubs> anyone know?
[12:07] <deus> I added my user account into a group called ftpuser
[12:07] <deus> and now i cant use the sudu
[12:07] <deus> sudo
[12:07] <deus> how can i change this back without the sudo
[12:07] <erUSUL> karen: new to irc how do i do that?
[12:08] <kataklsym> i edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf and included v4l, restarted the X server, came back, compiled the webcam modules for my kernel, went to /dev and MAKEDEV video,  modprobed videodev, modprobed mywebcamdriver,   now still it isnt detecting my webcam.. what could it be?
[12:08] <karen> haha, as new as me--- message on gaim the messenger
[12:08] <P229> deus: that sounds like a bug
[12:08] <Lars_G> deus: Have you activated root's account?
[12:08] <deus> Lars_G: no
[12:09] <Lars_G> deus: Good luck then, afaik you will need a rescue disc for this.
[12:09] <deus> usermod -G ftpuser username
[12:09] <kuroishinzoo> how does gaim work??
[12:09] <Lars_G> deus: You deleted "admin" from your groups with that.
[12:09] <deus> after that i couldnt use sudo
[12:09] <karen> gaim is like yahoo messenger
[12:09] <karen> same thing basically as yahoo
[12:09] <deus> Lars_G: what?
[12:09] <kuroishinzoo> if i want to access my msn.. what shall i do??
[12:10] <Lars_G> deus: -G in usermod REPLACES your group list, doesn't adds the new group to the list.
[12:10] <Beryllium> how long should the "Registering Documentation" step take?
[12:10] <Lars_G> deus: In ubuntu, to be able to do sudo, you need to be in the "admin" group.
[12:10] <Beryllium> oh,  nevermind, it just finished
[12:10] <Hikaru79> The breezy gnome-screensaver update released today wants to remove xscreensaver. Is this normal? Should I let this update remove xscreensaver?
[12:10] <Beryllium> took like ten minutes or more
[12:10] <deus> damn
[12:10] <erUSUL> karen: in msn? or yahoo...
[12:10] <Seveas> Hikaru79, no, you should remove gnome-screensaver
[12:10] <Lars_G> deus: When you ran that command, you deleted your whole list of extra groups you belong to, and replaced them all with only "ftpuser"
[12:10] <karen> yahoo
[12:10] <Seveas> and apt-get update again
[12:11] <deus> anyway this is my current id. uid=1000(deus) gid=1000(deus) groups=1000(deus),1002(ftpuser)
[12:11] <Hikaru79> Seveas, I see.
[12:11] <Lars_G> deus: It's not a bug, it's an OOPs, :) next time it's simpler to use kusers or similar app.
[12:11] <thoreauputic> Seveas: I thought it was decided to use xscreensaver in breezy?
[12:11] <amias> erUSUL: seems to be working , thanks
[12:11] <Seveas> thoreauputic, correct
[12:11] <Lars_G> deus: Anyhow, afaik you'll have to boot from ubuntu livecd or another kind of rescue cd.
[12:11] <deus> a PEBKC problem then
[12:11] <thoreauputic> Seveas: whew - had me worried for a moment
[12:11] <Seveas> that's why I said remove gnome-screemsaver ;)
[12:12] <Lars_G> deus: then mount your root partition, chroot to it, and run usermod again to add "admin" to your -G
[12:12] <erUSUL> amias: you are wellcome
[12:12] <Seveas> Lars_G, don't make it so difficult!
[12:12] <Lars_G> Seveas: What other option is there?
[12:12] <Seveas> deus, reboot into recovery mode
[12:12] <Seveas> and when you are root, typr this:
[12:12] <karen> erUSUL---- when i click on the printer and click resume printing-- nothing happens
[12:12] <Toba> wtf is the "xpistub library"
[12:12] <Seveas> adduser deus sudo
[12:12] <thoreauputic> Lars_G: recovery mode gives you a root prompt
[12:13] <Seveas> then exit recovery mode and boot through to normal mode
[12:13] <Seveas> and use sudo users-admin to restore the other groups
[12:13] <Lars_G> thoreauputic: Doh, sorry, I'm used to distros with active root accounts, where even recovery mode requires root pw to enter.
[12:13] <deus> thats in grub right?
[12:13] <Seveas> deus, yes
[12:13] <thoreauputic> Lars_G: yah - Ubuntu has this for just such cases
[12:13] <Lars_G> Thanks to ubuntu for being more logical.
[12:14] <Seveas> Lars_G, if deus had a root account, a simple su would have done it :)
[12:14] <Lars_G> nod
[12:14] <erUSUL> karen: try restarting cups in a terminal do 'sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart'
[12:15] <amias> erUSUL,: is it necissary to reboot after altering the partition table or is it safe to go ahead and write to it
[12:15] <robbkidd> Soooo, who's using Evolution 2.4 with Exchange 2003?
[12:15] <Lars_G> Seveas: Still, I do agree with the ubuntu view on basing around sudo
[12:15] <Seveas> yeah, me too
[12:15] <deus> Lars_G: me to
[12:15] <Lars_G> Seveas: Sorry for the long round around too, I'm still getting used to Ubuntu's nuances :)
[12:15] <deus> ok
[12:15] <karen> i'm sorry erUSUL  have no idea what you mean.  I'm a computer dummy
[12:15] <erUSUL> amias: not necesary just upgrade /etc/fstab to mach the new layout
[12:15] <deus> *Dive Dive!*
[12:15] <robbkidd> "Default permit" through sudo is a fairly decent compromise between user-friendliness and security.
[12:16] <P229> I still think it's a bug that a user can lock himself out of root access (without forgetting a password, that is)
[12:16] <Seveas> P229, it's a user error
[12:16] <Seveas> not a bug
[12:16] <erUSUL> karen: Aplications-> System tools--> terminal
[12:16] <Lars_G> it's a user error
[12:16] <Seveas> and recovery mode can restore it
[12:16] <Lars_G> Seveas: I seem to be repeating you a lot.
[12:16] <Lars_G> P229: It's part of the learning process too.
[12:16] <Seveas> Lars_G, great minds think alike :)
[12:16] <robbkidd> I agree with Seveas.  A system can do only so much to protect a user from himself.
[12:16] <Lars_G> P229: Else you could call programs like mkfs "bugs"
[12:17] <Seveas> The only time I had to reinstall ubuntu was when i typed rm -rf lib while being root in /var
[12:17] <P229> Seveas: perhaps I'm nit-picking, but imho it would be more sensible to design against this
[12:17] <esac_> on my laptop i have a couple of auto mount SMB shares in my fstab. but at work those shares dont exist, so on boot it takes a while to figure this out. is there any way to have it background those attempts, or not make them if i am at work ?
[12:17] <Seveas> no os can protect you from that :)
[12:17] <Seveas> P229, propose a design that can handle this and it will be implemented
[12:17] <Seveas> I see no such design.
[12:18] <esac_> Seveas: i've never had to reinstall windows from typing "rm -rf lib" in /var :)
[12:18] <robbkidd> P229: The only way I see around this is to not let a user have admin rights at all.
[12:18] <thoreauputic> P229: right, and design around rm -rf errors and.... what else ? *g*
[12:18] <Seveas> usermod is a way too basic tool to be used directly
[12:18] <Seveas> the 'correct' way is useradd/userdel or the gui tools
[12:18] <Lars_G> P229: The only out I see is to provide patched usermod/libraries for ubuntu... messy, very messy
[12:18] <Seveas> esac_, try deleting C:\Windows\System32
[12:19] <Seveas> it'll f* you up massively :)
[12:19] <esac_> Seveas: since when ? last time i tried that, system file protection restored everything and it still worked ...
[12:19] <djm62> #ubuntu-ph :D
[12:19] <robbkidd> Has anyone here gotten Evolution 2.4 to (1) send through an Exchange 2003 server via Connector and (2) been able to view the contents of the Sent Items, Deleted Items and Drafts folders?
[12:19] <karen> no terminal in system tools
[12:19] <erUSUL> Seveas: windows does not need help to f* you up massively
[12:19] <benz190ryda> hello from ohio
[12:19] <erUSUL> :D
[12:19] <Seveas> esac_, meh, that takes up too muxh space to be effective
[12:19] <Seveas> erUSUL, that too
[12:20] <Seveas> it'll always leave some essential bits uncovered or simply take up too much space to be workable
[12:20] <robbkidd> System File Protection annoys me.  Not as a concept, but in its implementation.
[12:20] <sn0n> hey guys.. is there a .zip for a Ubuntu LiveCD boot floppy.. sounds weird.. but im at the schools computer lab.. and it will boot floppy, but not cd..
[12:20] <pluffsy> hello. I don't know if this is too OT, sorry in that case. but I'm about to buy a router so I can share my connection on my mac and my ubuntu computer. and I wondered if you have any tips? it would be neat with a router which I could also install a custom linux dist on so I can run lighter LAMP stuff on it.
[12:20] <esac_> Seveas: i'll give it a shot in my vmware and see if it misses anything .. thank god for snapshots :)
[12:21] <P229> sn0n: google smart boot manager
[12:21] <Seveas> esac_, ;)
[12:21] <robbkidd> sn0n: What do the schools administrators think of you booting off your own media?
[12:21] <sn0n> hehe.. the computer science tech didnt like it
[12:21] <Seveas> "...."
[12:21] <Lars_G> pluffsy: Get a small pc, and M0n0wall, otherwise, if you're looking for wireless whathever you do, do NOT buy D-Link
[12:21] <robbkidd> Wouldn't think so.
[12:21] <sn0n> but now im at the computer lab, where there is no tech
[12:21] <Lars_G> pluffsy: Not much else I can tell you right now
[12:21] <sn0n> the com sci lab lets you boot from cd thou..
[12:22] <sn0n> the public comp lab dont.. they are more 'locked down'
[12:22] <Seveas> sn0n, why are you so eager to break the rules?
[12:22] <amias> pluffsy: netgear dg834g or linksys wrt54g
[12:22] <Lars_G> sn0n: Get this: http://gag.sourceforge.net/
[12:22] <sn0n> cuz they lock down the computers soo much you cant really do anything :-/
[12:22] <oG|Tobias-GG> Hello! I am sorry to be such a noob, but I just tried to install Ubunto on my second computer, and it went alright except for some part not working. After rebooting I don't get into the actual OS. How do I start from zero and reformat the HDD?
[12:22] <Lars_G> sn0n: Yes, but doing stuff they don't want to, is breaking rules.
[12:22] <IcemanV9> Lars_G: what's the matter with d-link?
[12:22] <Seveas> sn0n, they probably have a reason for that...
[12:22] <Lars_G> sn0n: And it could be labeled illegal.
[12:23] <Seveas> and get you kicked out of school
[12:23] <sn0n> blah..  im a comp sci major.. and a geek.. course ima break the COMPUTER RULES
[12:23] <sn0n> lol
[12:23] <djm62> sn0n: which is unwise, and possibly rude
[12:23] <pluffsy> amias: I've heard link-sys is bad. is that bullshit?
[12:23] <Lars_G> IcemanV9: The wireless range is garbage, the link stability null (link goes up and down ofter), before you say I have a broken unit, I've seen several units and models do the same
[12:23] <erUSUL> karen: Aplications-> run application? type  'sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart' and make sure you check run in terminal or console (i'm spanish and i do not know how it shows up in your screen)
[12:23] <crimsun> pluffsy: it's b.s. My wrt54g works great.
[12:23] <thechitowncubs> anyone know how to bold text before a number in open office 2 without having the number bolded also?
[12:23] <Seveas> oG|Tobias-GG, just boot from the install cd and restart...
[12:23] <P229> oG|Tobias-GG: the intial start up puts you into further system configuration that takes a while
[12:23] <Lars_G> Anyhow, GaG is a pretty good bootloader for fun.
[12:24] <Seveas> thechitowncubs, select the text and hit <ctrl>B
[12:24] <IcemanV9> Lars_G: linksys sucks as well. i returned it last spring. *shrug*
[12:24] <sn0n> mmm
[12:24] <oG|Tobias-GG> Oh, is it that easy? :P
[12:24] <davekempe> anyone know why zope refuses to see all the Products for a Breezy Plone install?
[12:24] <sn0n> gag looks a bit 'over the top'
[12:24] <thechitowncubs> Seveas, wel lthat also bolds the number.
[12:24] <Lars_G> IcemanV9: I've given up, I'm getting a SBC and loading M0n0wall into it
[12:24] <sn0n> i just want a simple boot floppy that will load the CD's Ubuntu live cd
[12:24] <Seveas> thechitowncubs, in that case ENOCLUE
[12:24] <Lars_G> sn0n: over the top??
[12:24] <pluffsy> crimsun: alright.
[12:24] <esac_> Seveas: I am administrator and i just did del * in system32 .. it gave me access denied or file in use on 90% of all files. looks like i lost paint.exe, calc.exe, net.exe and things like that, but the s ystem is still working just fine
[12:24] <deus> ok
[12:24] <sn0n> Lars_G : bloated ? ;-)
[12:24] <deus> that seemed to do the trick
[12:25] <Lars_G> Well your choice, I gave my oppinion.
[12:25] <sn0n> hehe
[12:25] <deus> was there anything else i should do then adduser deus admin in recovery mode?
[12:25] <Seveas> esac_, i find that 'acces denied' crap more annoying than losing my system if i'm being dumb
[12:25] <davekempe> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2443
[12:25] <amias> pluffsy: dunno i havea netgear
[12:25] <thechitowncubs> ENOCLUE?
[12:25] <deus> Could something maybe have something todo with my sudden loss of sound
[12:25] <Seveas> thechitowncubs, it means that i have no more ideas
[12:25] <thechitowncubs> thats what i thought
[12:25] <amias> pluffsy, linksys has more space
[12:26] <ablyss> i can't run breezy for more than a day... memory leak keeps poping up and taking the system down
[12:26] <thoreauputic> deus: yes you excluded yourself from the audio group :)
[12:26] <karen> thanks for trying erUSUL--- you seem very smart.  I'm just not understanding this much  but feel free to email me at Hamncheesegirl@yahoo.com
[12:26] <deus> thoreauputic: damn,
[12:26] <Lars_G> Seveas: How do you keep up with all the questions?
[12:26] <cafuego_> heee
[12:26] <Seveas> deus, sudo users-admin
[12:26] <esac_> Seveas: that's a fair argument, but your original statement that rm -rf (rd /q /s *) will f*ck up any os isn't true. windows holds up quite well to that
[12:26] <deus> How many groups could i have excluded myself from?~
[12:26] <Seveas> give yourself the rights again
[12:26] <Seveas> esac_, surprisingly it indeed does
[12:26] <thoreauputic> deus: once sudo is OK you can add yourself back to all the default groups
[12:26] <deus> command not found
[12:26] <cafuego_> esac_: Tried it on Win98 recently?
[12:27] <Seveas> deus, ok, the hard way:
[12:27] <djm62> yeah, any OS that doesn't let *somebody* do that,
[12:27] <worthawholebean> Hi, in Inkscape, how do you invert a path?
[12:27] <djm62> ...is slightly crippled
[12:27] <cafuego_> esac_: Actually, the reason windows survices that is due to  adesigne rror (cannot access open files) rather then design feature ;-)
[12:27] <esac_> cafuego: not since 1998
[12:28] <Seveas> for X in dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin; do sudo adduser deus $X; done
[12:28] <deus> thoreauputic: how many groups are there?
[12:28] <robbkidd> cafuego: To be fair, it's probably a good design implementation to not let files in use be deleted.
[12:28] <djm62> (any OS that lets the default user do it is in trouble too)
[12:28] <thoreauputic> deus: not that many by default
[12:28] <esac_> cafuego_: plus i dont see how asking if i did it in 1998 is a fair argument 7 years later
[12:28] <robbkidd> IcemanV9: Sure, but I'd like the opportunity to use it and scoff.
[12:28] <Lars_G> djm62: It doesn't. Ir required him to sudo, an act of conscience.
[12:28] <cafuego_> esac_: Well, Linux didn't die when you did 'rm -rf /' in '98
[12:29] <thoreauputic> deus: ask someone for their groups ( I can give you a list of mone if you wish)
[12:29] <Seveas> cafuego_, the real design error is that these files are open
[12:29] <Seveas> they should simply be loaded and closed
[12:29] <thoreauputic> *s/mone/mine
[12:29] <esac_> cafuego_: so what i am hearing is that windows got better, and linux got worse ?
[12:29] <Seveas> thoreauputic, look at the command I just typed :)
[12:29] <cafuego_> robbkidd: It's not a design implemenation though, it's a limitation of FAT32
[12:29] <Lars_G> esac_: No, you're hearing that users got stupider
[12:29] <djm62> Lars_G: wtf? this isn't just some theoretical phallus swinging? someone actually did that?
[12:29] <esac_> Lars_G: ok, i'll grant you that one :)
[12:29] <Seveas> esac_, in fact, rm -rf / won't kill linux now either...
[12:29] <thoreauputic> Seveas: missed it :)
[12:29] <robbkidd> cafuego: Er, those files remain "in use" when run from an NTFS volume, too.
[12:29] <cafuego_> esac_: 'rm -rf /' doesn't affect Linux, what do you mean?
[12:30] <thoreauputic> Seveas: I see it now
[12:30] <Lars_G> djm62: My phallus is inside my underwear.
[12:30] <cafuego_> robbkidd: Yes, but the original was files being immovable under fat32, I'm sure the ntfs thing is a backward compatible "feature" MS implemented in the fat32 era. Most odd windows behaviour is.
[12:30] <D1> does anyone run ndiswrapper with a bcmwl5 card?
[12:30] <iodine> can i use the ubuntu live cd to network a drive on a windows computer to dd an image to the hda?
[12:31] <Seveas> D1, i did
[12:31] <djm62> Lars_G: I thought someone was just having a bit of fun playing devil's advocate...didn't occur to me that someone would actually type in something after sudo, then a passwd, without knowing what it was
[12:31] <ablyss> control-alt-del reboots ubuntu without using sudo, and if security reboots are enabled.. this needs to be fixed
[12:31] <deus> thoreauputic: seems severas gave me the basics
[12:31] <D1> Seveas, did your card report the correct signal strength?
[12:31] <Seveas> iodine, probably
[12:31] <Seveas> D1, no
[12:31] <D1> I always get 100%
[12:31] <Lars_G> djm62: We all are capable of lapsus menti
[12:31] <D1> and dont know how to fix it.
[12:31] <thoreauputic> deus: yup
[12:31] <esac_> cafuego_: well ill find out if rm -rf / doesn't hurt me in linux :)
[12:31] <deus> ok then
[12:31] <iodine> Seveas: any documentation on networking with the live cd
[12:31] <deus> *restarts X*
[12:31] <Seveas> ablyss, /etc/inittab :)
[12:31] <cafuego_> D1: Use a card that has real drivers.
[12:31] <cafuego_> esac_: it will only delete *your* files.
[12:32] <D1> cafuego, buy me one. ;] 
[12:32] <robbkidd> Wow. gconf-editor.  All the heirarchy of the Windows registory with the joy of reading flat, raw XML. (In particular, the Evolution config entries.)
[12:32] <Lars_G> cafuego_: What about root?
[12:32] <Seveas> D1, you can't fix it unless you take cafuego_s suggestion
[12:32] <esac_> cafuego_: sure, but the original argument was running it as root
[12:32] <thoreauputic> deus: I have a 'dip" group here as well. it seems
[12:32] <deus> Do i have to do a full restart?
[12:32] <cafuego_> D1: No thanks, you can have my old bcmwl5 ;-)
[12:32] <Seveas> cafuego_, sudo rm -rf / will not kill it either ;)
[12:32] <D1> hehe
[12:32] <Draal_> I'm at the command line and need to remount / directory as read/write.. What is the command to do this?
[12:32] <Lars_G> Seveas: Why?
[12:32] <cafuego_> Seveas: Not until reboot time, no.
[12:32] <Seveas> (hint: rm treats / as special and needs --no-preserve-root)
[12:32] <D1> are wlan pcmcia cards still bulky?
[12:32] <esac_> cafuego_: as administrator on windows, you cant screw your system by running rd /q /s * .. but in linux as root rm -rf / will (it just killed mine)
[12:32] <cafuego_> esac_: That was when I was in bed, asleep. :-P
[12:33] <Lars_G> Draal_: "mount -o remount,rw /mount/dir"
[12:33] <D1> I remember seeing some really big linksys cards
[12:33] <ablyss> Seveas, i have reboots by normal users disabled... when i go to tty1 and press contorl-alt-del.. i reboot without needing to use sudo
[12:33] <ombr> arf
[12:33] <deus> Is a full reboot requried or should a restart of x be enough?
[12:33] <Lars_G> D1: ??? pcmcia cards are pcmcia cards, there are only type I II and III
[12:33] <Seveas> ablyss, then you need to change the c-a-d action in /etc/inttab
[12:33] <D1> I know but I mean wlan cards.
[12:33] <ablyss> oh
[12:33] <Lars_G> D1: And I haven't seen a Type III pcmcia card wireless in my life.
[12:34] <D1> they always stick out.
[12:34] <Lars_G> Well yes, most do that.
[12:34] <djm62> ablyss: not very relevant...physical access like that is root any way you look at it
[12:34] <cafuego_> D1: yes, because they have decent anntennas.
[12:34] <kuroishinzoo> what shall i do when i have problems with broken packages??
[12:34] <cafuego_> D1: Decent antenna meand decent reception.
[12:34] <Lars_G> A few hermes based cards out there have detachable antennas which let you choose
[12:34] <esac_> anybody running vmware on breezy? whenever i go into snapshot manager vmware dies
[12:34] <ablyss> djm62, not sure i know what u mean
[12:34] <deus> oh silly me i didnt logout
[12:34] <ablyss> thanks Seveas, i will look at that
[12:34] <Seveas> noooooooo apokryphos is back
[12:34] <cafuego_> esac_: is that because you rm -rf'd it?
[12:35] <Seveas> :)
[12:35] <Lars_G> Guard shift?
[12:35] <ablyss> interesting
[12:35] <theblue> Hi  all.
[12:35] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Are you as nice as Seveas?
[12:35] <Seveas> hi apokryphos ;)
[12:35] <Seveas> Lars_G, he's even nicer
[12:35] <ablyss> that was easy Seveas :-)
[12:35] <esac_> cafuego_: no, i did that on my windows host, linux guest box ... i am talking about my linux host, windows guest system
[12:35] <deus> ah *enlightend*
[12:35] <apokryphos> Seveas: hi =)
[12:35] <apokryphos> Lars_G: nope.. nice :D
[12:35] <ablyss> hmmm hmmm
[12:35] <cafuego_> esac_: evil
[12:35] <ablyss> tty1 is root ?
[12:35] <deus> thanks a bunch for the help
[12:36] <Lars_G> tty1 is tty1
[12:36] <ace0027> hi
[12:36] <kuroishinzoo> does bitcomet work on ubuntu?? because i dont want to use GNOME bittorrent..
[12:36] <esac_> cafuego_: which one, running a linux guest or a windows guest ?
[12:36] <apokryphos> ablyss: tty7 is where X is at
[12:36] <ablyss> well /etc/inittab has ctrl-alt-del to use sbin command
[12:36] <djm62> ablyss: worrying about security when someone can touch your machine (to ctrl-alt-del it) is way too late.  They can steal your computer, your disk, they can rewrite /etc/shadow, they can just break the damn thing...rebooting is basically the least of your worries.
[12:36] <apokryphos> ablyss: 1-6 are console sessions
[12:37] <ablyss> i'm able to use a sbin command in tty1 w/out sudo
[12:37] <Seveas> c-a-d action is run as root iirc
[12:37] <Lars_G> apokryphos: And, you can have more than tty7 if you create several GUI instances
[12:37] <apokryphos> ablyss: which one?
[12:37] <Seveas> anyway, off for a sec to test something
[12:38] <ablyss> apokryphos, control-alt-del
[12:38] <apokryphos> Lars_G: yup; if your computer doesn't completely cripple out from it :P
[12:38] <ablyss> an alias to shutdown
[12:38] <crtr> What?s Edubuntu ?
[12:38] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Well I've ran three sessions in a PIII-600
[12:38] <erUSUL> ablyss: djm62 is right. Fisical access and you are screewed
[12:38] <djm62> crtr: google it.  a distribution designed for schools
[12:38] <cafuego_> esac_: yes
[12:38] <Lars_G> apokryphos: That is, until I tried a GL screensaver....
[12:38] <cycom> so yeah, I found out that if I run gpsd at all, my wireless dies as soon as I connect to the daemon
[12:38] <apokryphos> Lars_G: I should give it a retry. Try gnome next to kde to appropriately compare :P
[12:38] <crimsun> crtr: it's linked from the Ubuntu front page
[12:39] <Lars_G> Eh,
[12:39] <Lars_G> a Minute of silence for the unconnected corpse of Seveas
[12:40] <Lars_G> *ping*
[12:40] <Lars_G> minute done
[12:40] <thoreauputic> Lars_G: your clock is fast :D
[12:40] <Lars_G> thoreauputic: I am ADHD, I have no clock.
[12:40] <amias> eeek , we are floating opless
[12:40] <Lars_G> thoreauputic: No internal RTC at all.
[12:40] <thoreauputic> heheh
[12:40] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: now the fun can start; Lars_G: crack open the champagne
[12:41] <Lars_G> thoreauputic: I work with an external timing device, whose dissapearance means the end of time for my reality.
[12:41] <ablyss> :-) smart folks in here
[12:41] <apokryphos> ok, put everything away guys
[12:41] <cafuego_> Seveas: It didn't work
[12:41] <theblue> Hi all.
[12:41] <cafuego_> thoreauputic: ban the boss!
[12:42] <truth> Where should I start on trying to get sound workign,  I'm running ubuntu on a MSI AC97 motherboard
[12:42] <theblue> How do I add more resolutions to the menu to change the resolution?
[12:42] <cafuego_> ablyss: reboot? Why not hit ctrl-alt-F1 ?
[12:42] <Lars_G> Btw, Hoary is bassed on ESD and Breezy on a well mixed alsa, right?
[12:42] <Seveas> cafuego_, ?
[12:42] <ablyss> i'm retarded.. just ignore me
[12:43] <Lars_G> ablyss: ctrl-alt-f1 should take you to tty1, alt-f7 back to tty7
[12:43] <cafuego_> Seveas: "Seveas: anyway, off for a sec to test something"
[12:43] <Lars_G> oooops
[12:43] <Lars_G> ....
[12:43] <cafuego_> Seveas: From here, it seems like it didn't work.
[12:43] <cafuego_> laoi, I was eating that!
[12:43] <Seveas> cafuego_, correct, something fails terribly
[12:44] <Lars_G> brb.
[12:44] <Seveas> somehow xchat needs to send 600 bytes of something to the server whrn I join, which gives me lag due to the throttling mechanism
[12:44] <Lars_G> Don't drink all the champagne while I'm out
[12:44] <Seveas> and i have no clue what it's sending (even ethereal leaves me puzzled)
[12:44] <oG|Tobias-GG> During installation I got the message "An error was returned while trying to install the initrd-tools package onto the target system. Check /target/var/log/bootstrap.log for the details." Can I continue the installation, or is that something very important?
[12:44] <Lars_G> Seveas: Use the source Luke.
[12:45] <Seveas> oG|Tobias-GG, that is quite important...
[12:45] <cafuego_> Seveas: tls negotiation, which fails?
[12:45] <Seveas> cafuego_, it's *after* I join all channels and I don't use tls
[12:45] <Lars_G> Seveas: Is it repetitive?
[12:45] <cafuego_> oG|Tobias-GG: Without that apckage, the system cannot install a bootable kernel.
[12:45] <Seveas> Lars_G, yes, that's why it's so annoying :)
[12:45] <cafuego_> Seveas: Weird. Are you on-join spamming? ;-)
[12:45] <Lars_G> Seveas: Xchat has a "lag meter", it could be part of the detection mechanism.
[12:46] <oG|Tobias-GG> Kk, what should I do then?
[12:46] <Seveas> Lars_G, the lag meter is simply a /ping....
[12:46] <Lars_G> Seveas: Possibly some kind of icmp or ctcp to the server/bots to check round trip time.
[12:46] <cafuego_> Lars_G: 600bytes seems large for an sping, though
[12:46] <Lars_G> true
[12:46] <cafuego_> Seveas: Simple solution is irssi, as usual.
[12:46] <Lars_G> irssi is nice
[12:46] <Seveas> cafuego, meh, I hate irssi :)
[12:47] <cafuego_> In soviet russia, irssi hates you.
[12:47] <Seveas> (note: Evilseveas is my evil twin running irssi in a screen)
[12:47] <Lars_G> Seveas: Nah it's pretty ussefull.
[12:47] <cafuego_> Ignore I just said that.
[12:47] <apokryphos> it's more Qt than KDE (to be totally honest)
[12:47] <Lars_G> Seveas: That means you're the "good" twin? Holy canelonee.
[12:47] <Seveas> Lars_G, muhahahaha >:)
[12:47] <apokryphos> I find it hard to use irssi when I actually have X running
[12:47] <Seveas> but let's stop the off-topicness again
[12:47] <apokryphos> seems to defeat the point, but I do know it's powerful :)
[12:47] <Lars_G> Seveas: I love Qt
[12:47] <Lars_G> yes sir
[12:48] <erUSUL> oG|Tobias-GG: i do not know... You can switch to a virtual console Ctrl + Alt + F[2,3,4...]  and check /target/var/log/bootstrap.log
[12:48] <oG|Tobias-GG> trying to redo that step now
[12:48] <Seveas> ablyss, opera still sucks though
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[12:48] <Lars_G> Seveas: Don't look a gift horse on the mouth
[12:48] <r7> question
[12:48] <Lars_G> r7: Answer
[12:48] <apokryphos> Seveas: software-wise, we almost are diametrically opposed. :P
[12:49] <r7> how do u su off live cd
[12:49] <apokryphos> r7: sudo!
[12:49] <r7> what's the password?
[12:49] <Seveas> apokryphos, and ubuntu fits us both :)
[12:49] <djm62> r7: sudo
[12:49] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell r7 about sudo
[12:49] <Lars_G> r7: You don't you do sudo like in a full install.
[12:49] <apokryphos> Seveas: exactly; isn't that great? :)
[12:49] <Lars_G> Seveas: Altough, "what is the ubuntu user's password in the livecd" is a valid question.
[12:49] <Seveas> r7, you should use sudo
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[12:50] <r7> many thanks
[12:50] <erUSUL> Seveas et al. maybe all this could be moved to #ubuntu-offtopic ;) oG|Tobias-GG would be glad XD
[12:50] <r7> that's what i needed
[12:50] <r7> back to dead hd recovery
[12:50] <Lars_G> erUSUL: Trouble is, ops are always right, whether we like it or not :(
[12:51] <thoreauputic>  /me sets mode +bb Seveas apokryphos
[12:51] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: what was that? ;-)
[12:51] <Lars_G> War of the gods!
[12:51] <esac_> what is with all these modes. back in my days there were like 2 letters :)
[12:52] <erUSUL> Lars_G: well yeah... right... forget what i've said ;)
[12:52] <Lars_G> esac_: And you walked two blocks in the snow to deliver a tcp packet, right?
[12:52] <esac_> Lars_G: uphill, both ways !
[12:52] <redtech_> bahaha
[12:52] <mathew> hello
[12:52] <Lars_G> This channel is hell for tab completing lazy sods.
[12:53] <GoRoDeK> sorry for disturbing, but i have a slight problem with login into a gnome session using gdm. first i thought it has something to do with the .ICEAuthority problem often discused but the problem cannot be solved by deleting the file ;(
[12:53] <Seveas> grmbl
[12:54] <Seveas> GoRoDeK, login in text mode, rm -r ~/.Xauthority ~/.ICEauthority /tmp/*
[12:54] <Seveas> and retry in gui mode
[12:54] <Seveas> (brb - last time)
[12:54] <cafuego_> Lars_G: Yeah, ideally there'd be a 36 user limit.
[12:54] <Toba> is there a good reason "apt-get remove firefox" should make firefox impossible to reinstall?
[12:54] <erUSUL> Toba no
[12:55] <dreumah> hi i have a rio carbon 5 gig and i was wondering how i can access it in ubuntu
[12:55] <Toba> but it happened...
[12:55] <Toba> illogical stuff has been happening
[12:55] <_Caleb_> sup martii
[12:55] <Toba> and it makes my insides turn into anger and more anger
[12:55] <cafuego_> dreumah: plug it in, see what 'dmesg' says.
[12:55] <_Caleb_> sup marius_
[12:55] <_Caleb_> lol
[12:55] <Toba> it's not fucking true that ubuntu is anything for human beings
[12:55] <Seveas> That's it -- I give up
[12:55] <apokryphos> Toba: sure it is!
[12:55] <erUSUL> Toba computers are plagued with this kind of things
[12:55] <Toba> if you step outside the narrow path of gui it stabs you in the face and leaves you to die
[12:56] <marius_> not much man
[12:56] <marius_> caleb
[12:56] <Toba> erUSUL: funny, I never have problems like this with freebsd or windows...
[12:56] <cafuego_> Toba: yes, it's much more rewarding to stab human beings in the face than mindless machines.
[12:56] <dreumah> cafuego i dont know what it says, i dont understand it
[12:56] <unkn0wn2u> Toba, go back to them then
[12:56] <Toba> so nobody has any experience with apt completely breaking a package when I remove it?
[12:56] <crimsun> Toba: paste the output from ''apt-cache policy firefox'' in #flood
[12:56] <cafuego_> dreumah: ANything about sda or sdb?
[12:57] <unkn0wn2u> Toba, if you never had problems with windows or freebsd why change?
[12:57] <cafuego_> Toba: Were you using backports of any kind?
[12:57] <erUSUL> Toba: you'll wont believe what happened to me this last two days with my computer both hardware and software ;)
[12:57] <Toba> because freebsd was horrible for desktop and had hardly any software
[12:57] <Beryllium> toba: I've witnessed people fuck up their systems with Apt Get, but that was under debian and they were syncing with unstable.
[12:57] <rdw200169> did they think that 'unstable' meant something else?
[12:58] <Beryllium> hardly ... any ... software? wtf are you smoking? :) I use FreeBSD at work all the time. Plenty of software in ports, and it can emulate Linux too.
[12:58] <apokryphos> Toba: it does this to many packages? Could you elaborate?
[12:58] <Beryllium> rdw200169: They were silly. It was amusing.
[12:58] <dreumah> cafuego i dont know what it says, i dont understand it
[12:58] <Toba> apokryphos: no, just firefox
[12:58] <dreumah> cafuego not that i see
[12:58] <_Caleb_> well marius_ since you are new to ubuntu i think you can find help in here when you need it
[12:58] <cafuego_> I only like the OSX flavour of fbsd.
[12:58] <erUSUL> Toba: and with windows this eavening
[12:58] <Toba> I wanted to get 1.0.7
[12:58] <dv_> btw, how is DragonflyBSD?
[12:58] <Airk> hi. i have a problem using german umlauts in my console (xterm and tty). Only strange characters are displayed. whats wrong?
[12:58] <oG|Tobias-GG> Hmm, when trying to check /target/var/log/bootstrap.log i get "Permission denied". What should I do to be able to read it?
[12:58] <Toba> I downloaded that from mozilla
[12:58] <cafuego_> dreumah: Then I dunno.
[12:58] <rdw200169> the new preview of breezy is awesome
[12:58] <apokryphos> Toba: how is the package "broken"?
[12:58] <Toba> but it wouldn't install because 1.0.6 was here
[12:58] <Toba> apokryphos: I'm getting to that
[12:59] <apokryphos> Toba: you downloaded the pack from mozilla?
[12:59] <crimsun> Toba: you're on Hoary?
[12:59] <Toba> so I did "apt-get remove firefox" which removed some other stuff based on dependencies
[12:59] <Toba> yes hoary
[12:59] <crimsun> Toba: and you used a backport from Breezy?
[12:59] <GoRoDeK> Seveas, thx for your help, but its still not working. where can the problem be located?
[12:59] <Toba> ...what?
[12:59] <crimsun> Toba: that should tell you something.
[12:59] <apokryphos> Toba: 1.06 is broken in backports
[12:59] <Toba> aha!
[12:59] <Toba> I need to get out of backports and do an update then?
[12:59] <GoRoDeK> here are the 2 lines of the auth.log file
[12:59] <GoRoDeK> Sep 23 00:56:49 localhost gdm[1180] : (pam_unix) session opened for user myuser by (uid=0)
[12:59] <GoRoDeK> Sep 23 00:56:49 localhost gdm[1180] : (pam_unix) session closed for user myuser
[12:59] <crimsun> you would need to dist-upgrade to Breezy if you wanted Ubuntu's 1.0.7
[01:00] <Lars_G> he downloaded from mozilla I doubt he got it from backports.
[01:00] <crimsun> I do not recommend plopping Breezy's 1.0.7 into Hoary
[01:00] <dreumah> cafuego_ so it should just work plug and play
[01:00] <dreumah> ??
[01:00] <Toba> crimsun: this has nothing to do with 1.0.7
[01:00] <Toba> not from breezy anyway
[01:00] <Lars_G> I think it's more related to the fact he used remove instead of purge... but that is me.
[01:00] <Toba> I downloaded the installer from mozilla.org
[01:00] <cafuego_> dreumah: Dunno, my iPod does... just gets detected as disk ands shows up on the desktop.
[01:00] <Toba> not anything to do with breezy
[01:00] <dv_> why did you use apt-get and not synaptic?
[01:00] <apokryphos> Toba: disable backports, sudo aptitude purge firefox (or mozilla-firefox), sudo apt-get update && sudo aptitude install mozilla-firefo
[01:00] <cafuego_> Toba: So why would it be a Ubuntu problem then, if you're not using Ubuntu software?
[01:00] <Toba> how can I tell if I'm in backports?
[01:01] <crimsun> Toba: erm, when you mix upstream's stuff with packaged stuff, expect things to break.
[01:01] <apokryphos> dv_: doesn't really matter
[01:01] <Toba> which repository is it?
[01:01] <erUSUL> dv_: is indiferent
[01:01] <apokryphos> Toba: disable the one that says backports
[01:01] <Toba> ok, I guess sources.list is no the best method
[01:01] <apokryphos> Toba: and the one that says hoary-updates
[01:01] <dv_> ok, i must admit the purge/remove issue is can be really confusing at first
[01:01] <dv_> -is
[01:01] <dreumah> hi i have a rio carbon 5 gig and i was wondering how i can access it in ubuntu
[01:02] <oG|Tobias-GG> Anyone who have any idea of why I can not install the initrd-tools package? When installing the ground system I just get an error message.
[01:02] <Beryllium> dreumah: If you plug it in, doesn't it just open as a USB device in /media/?
[01:02] <crimsun> it's not really confusing. Purge removes conffiles. Remove doesn't.
[01:02] <apokryphos> dv_: just bear in mind that Synaptic is purely a GUI front-end to apt; it's all the same at the back.
[01:02] <dv_> dreumah, how is it accessed in windows? like a usb data storage device?
[01:02] <oG|Tobias-GG> What could I do to make it work?
[01:02] <dv_> or with some special software?
[01:02] <apokryphos> dv_: man pages are good :)
[01:02] <dv_> apokryphos, true.
[01:02] <Octane> i just removed all openoffice packages.. how can i ensure they're all gone
[01:02] <Octane> (using aptitude)
[01:02] <Octane> gone from cache as well
[01:02] <dv_> BUT synaptic is a lot better for people who do not want to dig through manpages
[01:02] <mindframe> where does breezy put the source to the kernel?
[01:03] <Lars_G> /usr/src I hope
[01:03] <mindframe> lol no
[01:03] <dreumah> Beryllium no it doesnt
[01:03] <Lars_G> no?
[01:03] <dv_> and apokryphos, requiring people to dig through several partly obscure manpages is really not very user friendly
[01:03] <cafuego_> Octane: 'apt-cache clean'
[01:03] <dreumah> dv_ iin eindows it just opens as you said, data storage device
[01:03] <mindframe> does it just install a pre-compiled image like i think it does?
[01:03] <dv_> thats why I would have used synaptic
[01:03] <Octane> cafuego_: anything else
[01:03] <apokryphos> dv_: I really don't think they're that obscure, if you learn basics
[01:03] <Octane> besides cleaning my debs
[01:03] <Lars_G> dv_: Yeah, requiring people to buy books and dig thorough them is so much friendlier.
[01:03] <cafuego_> Octane: Config files?
[01:04] <apokryphos> dv_: I view them in Konqueror, anyhow; very pretty there :)
[01:04] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Holy fuck, konqueror has a man page handler?
[01:04] <Octane> cafuego_ its actually apt-get clean all
[01:04] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Why didn't you say so before? Nirvana! Nirvana! has come!
[01:04] <dv_> it shouldnt involve books or manpages.
[01:04] <apokryphos> Lars_G: a kioslave, yes. man:command or #command -- yes. Has special styles; very good :)
[01:04] <chavo> Lars_G, man:/
[01:04] <cafuego_> Octane: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep ^rc | awk '{print $2}' | xargs sudo dpkg -P
[01:04] <mindframe> where does breezy put the source to the kernel?
[01:04] <Lars_G> apokryphos: To be fail konqueror has so many kioslaves it takes to days to try them all
[01:05] <chavo> I like locate:/
[01:05] <cafuego_> Octane: yep, 'apt-get clean'  ( I get confused this early in the morning)
[01:05] <apokryphos> Lars_G: help:/kioslave has most :P
[01:05] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Thanks sir.
[01:05] <chavo> and coffee:/ is pretty nice
[01:05] <Toba> thanks guys
[01:05] <Lars_G> coffee:/ ??
[01:05] <Toba> it worked
[01:05] <apokryphos> Lars_G: you can view any doc/handbook using the help kioslave. i.e. help:konqueror
[01:05] <dv_> just some remove button for easy, safe uninstalling. thats what most users want.
[01:05] <Toba> actually wait
[01:05] <Toba> it didn't
[01:05] <Toba> fuck
[01:05] <mello6> does anyone know of a way to play iTunes Store files in Ubuntu?
[01:05] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Nice.
[01:05] <Toba> md5sum failed
[01:06] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Does it has an info kioslave as well?
[01:06] <apokryphos> Toba: did you follow my instructions?
[01:06] <Seveas> yegh, kioslaves
[01:06] <Toba> yes
[01:06] <Seveas> such a bad idea...
[01:06] <apokryphos> Lars_G: a what?
[01:06] <Toba> I removed backports and 5.04 updates
[01:06] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Info... info kioslave.....
[01:06] <apokryphos> Seveas: amazing idea :)
[01:06] <apokryphos> indeed
[01:06] <Toba> yeah, it was just random corruption
[01:06] <Toba> it worked this time
[01:06] <Seveas> well, the idea behind hidning stuff behind urls is great
[01:06] <erUSUL> Seveas: just as bad as gnome-vfs ... ;)
[01:06] <Determinist> i think i need eye replacements
[01:06] <Seveas> the implementation/technique used sucks
[01:07] <cafuego_> Determinist: outside
[01:07] <dreumah> right i have it working now
[01:07] <dreumah> thanks anyways
[01:07] <dv_> Seveas, because.... ?
[01:08] <Determinist> almost ran into some truck on the highway on the way home at 130kmph... i seriously need to have my eyes checked... that, or more sleeping hours
[01:08] <dv_> kioslaves work great here
[01:08] <apokryphos> dv_: delusional, of course :P
[01:08] <mello6> does anyone know of a way to play iTunes Store files in Ubuntu?
[01:08] <Versed> talking about itunes, I wonder if they could get apple to write a linux version of itunes.
[01:08] <AlexMBas> hello
[01:08] <mello6> =/
[01:08] <mello6> no joke
[01:08] <crimsun> mello6: just play or buy?
[01:08] <mello6> bought
[01:08] <rdw200169> any idea why sudo won't work in the breezy badger preview??
[01:08] <AlexMBas> does anyone knows how to load drivers on ubuntu expert installation?
[01:08] <Lars_G> Ahh seveas went again?
[01:08] <mello6> AACs work perfectly
[01:08] <Versed> shouldn't be too hard, since it's already somewhat bsd based.
[01:08] <crimsun> mello6: no, I mean do you want to play files or do you want to BUY them under Linux?
[01:08] <mello6> yep
[01:08] <mello6> gotcha
[01:08] <kataklsym> hmm why do i get a gcc command not found when i try to make something?
[01:08] <mello6> play
[01:09] <cafuego_> kataklsym; Coz gcc isn't installed?
[01:09] <crimsun> mello6: I use jHymn to strip the DRM and vlc to play them.
[01:09] <cafuego_> kataklsym:  What are you building?
[01:09] <Lars_G> kataklsym: Lets see.... possibly gcc is not installed?
[01:09] <mello6> is that on windows or linux?
[01:09] <mello6> jHymn
[01:09] <crimsun> mello6: both. It's Java-based.
[01:09] <kataklsym> i installed that essential thing
[01:09] <kataklsym> does gcc not come with it?
[01:09] <mello6> ah, thanks man
[01:09] <flodine> hello
[01:09] <Lars_G> ahh the essential thing.
[01:09] <HrdwrBoB> gcc is in build-essential
[01:09] <Lars_G> it's so... essential.
[01:10] <kataklsym> well
[01:10] <crimsun> mello6: I run jHymn under win32, though
[01:10] <kataklsym> build essential
[01:10] <kataklsym> i couldnt remember the name of it
[01:10] <cafuego_> kataklsym: Did you also get 'checkinstall' ?
[01:10] <flodine> what happen to ubuntu 5.04  starter guide gone
[01:10] <kataklsym> cafuego: no
[01:10] <flodine> everyone on breezy now
[01:10] <cafuego_> kataklsym: Then before doing anything else, check wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[01:10] <kataklsym> hmm it says it is trying to use gcc 3.4
[01:12] <AlexMBas> does anyone here uses HighPoint RocketRAID boars on Ubuntu?
[01:12] <HrdwrBoB> AlexMBas: yes
[01:12] <HrdwrBoB> AlexMBas: read the raid faq :)
[01:13] <Lars_G> Well, It seems Seveas is gone for good
[01:13] <AlexMBas> HrdwrBoB, which raid faq?
[01:13] <AlexMBas> on wiki.ubuntu?
[01:13] <GoRoDeK> i have a problem with loging into a gnome session using gdm. also a new created user cannot get in. where the problem can be located?
[01:14] <paul124897>  /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK
[01:14] <paul124897> :(
[01:14] <AlexMBas> HrdwrBoB, do you use RAID1?
[01:15] <paul124897> got that when doing perl -MCPAN -e "install XML::DOM"
[01:15] <paul124897> any ideas how i can fix it?
[01:15] <paul124897> (ps, im a n00b) ;;)
[01:15] <mindframe> does anyone know if ubuntu installs the source to the kernel in case is needs to be used?  if so where?
[01:15] <crimsun> did you install build-essential, paul124897?
[01:16] <rdw200169> does anyone else have sudo/su problems in breezy???
[01:16] <shinu> is there any program that suppoerts ipods?
[01:16] <crimsun> paul124897: of course you know that that's avoidable: sudo aptitude install libxml-dom-perl
[01:16] <shinu> like an itunes for linux? :)
[01:16] <paul124897> yes crimsun
[01:17] <crimsun> mindframe: not by default. Why do you need the source? Do the headers not suffice?
[01:17] <paul124897> thanks crimsun, will try that way
[01:17] <mindframe> crimsun, im trying to compile a newer version of ndiswrapper that i cant find a package for and it needs the kernel source for some reason
[01:19] <paul124897> thanks, nzbperl works now
[01:20] <crimsun> mindframe: I'm pretty sure you only need linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:20] <AlexMBas> HrdwrBoB, the how-to I have found on ubuntu forum does not say anything on how to install a system on RAID0 or RAID1, it says a lot on how to get RAID 1 or RAID 0 on installed system
[01:20] <AlexMBas> is it the right how-to?
[01:20] <Seveas> grmbl, my xchat now is really messed up...
[01:21] <ouroboros> Hey, if anyone knows a bit about cedega. I get this when trying to run a standard fan patch on the drive: /.transgaming/c_drive/Program Files/Origin Systems/Ultima IX # cedega u9name.exe
[01:21] <ouroboros> For language 'en' several language ids were found:
[01:21] <ouroboros> en_US - 0409; en_GB - 0809; en_AU - 0C09; en_CA - 1009; en_NZ - 1409; en_IE - 1809; en_ZA - 1C09; en_JM - 2009; en_ - 2409; en_BZ - 2809; en_TT - 2C09;
[01:21] <ouroboros> Instead of using first in the list, suggest to define
[01:21] <ouroboros> your LANG environment variable like this: LANG=en_US
[01:21] <ouroboros> Warning: unprotecting the first 64KB of memory to allow real-mode calls.
[01:21] <robotgeek> Seveas: irssi :)
[01:21] <ouroboros>          NULL pointer accesses will no longer be caught.
[01:21] <ouroboros> ack
[01:21] <robotgeek> ouroboros: pastebin!!
[01:21] <Beryllium> Our Rob or Ross
[01:21] <ouroboros> my busy
[01:21] <robotgeek> Seveas: right click hate!
[01:22] <Area_Man> hello
[01:22] <GoRoDeK> hi Area_Man
[01:22] <Area_Man> hi GoRoDeK
[01:22] <Area_Man> have a question
[01:22] <AlexMBas> does annyone here have ubuntu installed on a RAID array?
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> I do
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> to install on a raid drive
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> you can configure it all in the installer
[01:24] <AlexMBas> ???
[01:24] <AlexMBas> breezy or hoary?
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> both
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> hell I did it on warty :)
[01:24] <AlexMBas> I am on hoary expert mode
[01:24] <Area_Man> i just installed ubuntu on my old laptop and it recognized my pcmcia ethernet card fine, but it seems to balk at my wireless card. it is a netgear wg511. any ideas?
[01:24] <jrattner1> ubuntu kills my laptop battery...
[01:24] <AlexMBas> nad have found nothing
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> !wireless
[01:24] <ubotu> wireless is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[01:24] <AlexMBas> but Software RAID
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> your raid card isn't
[01:25] <robotgeek> Area_Man: off the top of my head, it should just work
[01:26] <AlexMBas> HrdwrBoB, yeah, I know
[01:26] <Area_Man> kzm, thanks robotgeek
[01:26] <Lars_G> apokryphos: I owe you one
[01:26] <AlexMBas> HrdwrBoB, the raid options you told me on install are on server mode?
[01:26] <madcowmad> hey can someone help me install something? pure ubuntu/linux noob
[01:26] <apokryphos> Lars_G: USD will do (even though I'd prefer GBPs)
[01:27] <robotgeek> Area_Man: automagically depends on whether yours was made in taiwan or in china. just follow the links in the wiki
[01:27] <dooglus> I alway run my laptop from the mains, never from the battery.  after about a year of doing this, the battery stopped working.  is that to be expected?
[01:27] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Dream on, I am broke and I still need to buy parts for the car.
[01:27] <Area_Man> ok, it's a chinese one
[01:27] <apokryphos> haha
[01:27] <Lars_G> apokryphos: But you can feel yourself usefull :) the man kioslave is a blessing
[01:28] <shadeofgrey> macow: what do u need to install?
[01:28] <Area_Man> kripes
[01:29] <Area_Man> ndiswrapper
[01:29] <shadeofgrey> madcowmad:  what do you need help with?
[01:29] <AlexMBas> HrdwrBoB I am trying to load the hpt374 drivers from floppy, but it states that the floppy is not compatible
[01:29] <AlexMBas> it is the redhat driver floppy
[01:29] <HrdwrBoB> AlexMBas: do not bother
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> AlexMBas: use it as an IDE controller
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> it's not a raid controller
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> the raid options are there even on basic mode
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> the drivers you want to install are nothing more than binary software raid drivers
[01:30] <AlexMBas> ??
[01:30] <AlexMBas> so, what should I do?
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> use software raid
[01:30] <AlexMBas> I have set up raid 1 on hpt bios
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> the card should be detected as an IDE controller
[01:31] <AlexMBas> should I undo it?
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[01:31] <AlexMBas> hmmm
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> just set it to appear as disks
[01:31] <AlexMBas> ok
[01:31] <AlexMBas> and I should use software raid instead
[01:31] <AlexMBas> ok
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> yep
[01:32] <AlexMBas> I thought RocketRAID boards had RAID engine onboard
[01:32] <AlexMBas> so I was pretty wrong about it
[01:32] <AlexMBas> HrdwrBoB, thank you very much
[01:32] <AlexMBas> very very much
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> AlexMBas: no worries :)
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> AlexMBas: yeah IDE raid controllers are almost all software
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> and those that aren't are 'accelerators' and are usually not well supported
[01:33] <mindframe> is there something similar to rfswitch for ubuntu?
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> if you want a real raid card, it'll cost you some serious $, an adaptec or 3ware SATA raid card
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> but for the most part software IDE raid is fine
[01:33] <robotgeek> mindframe: what is rfswitch?
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> mindframe: what does rfswitch do
[01:34] <mindframe> rfswitch.sourceforge.net
[01:34] <mello6> crimsun - i just scrubbed all those m4p files
[01:34] <mello6> thanks =] 
[01:34] <mindframe> i think this is the reason my onboard wifi isnt working.  there is one of those retarded switches on this laptop that turns the wifi on / off.
[01:35] <mindframe> i hit it and it does nothing in linux
[01:35] <AlexMBas> HrdwrBoB, one last question, hoary supports booting from a software RAID partition?
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> AlexMBas: yes
[01:36] <AlexMBas> HrdwrBoB cool
[01:36] <AlexMBas> HrdwrBoB, thanks again
[01:36] <robotgeek> mindframe: this is the first time i've seen anything similiar to this, but i guess u can compile it on your own
[01:37] <mindframe> robotgeek, im out of clues as to why the wireless wont work on this laptop
[01:37] <robotgeek> mindframe: what wireless card
[01:37] <mindframe> mini-pci broadcom bcm4306 rev3
[01:38] <Trilobite> hi guys, i've just installed ubuntu as a dual boot with winxp, transferred my files across from the windows to the linux partition, and then to free up space i wanted to shrink my windows partition, which i did, but qtparted won't let me expand the linux partition to fill the space, leaving a big useless gap on my hard disk. any ideas?
[01:38] <mindframe> everything is detected
[01:38] <mindframe> it just becomes dumb when trying to contact a wide open network
[01:38] <robotgeek> mindframe: ndiswrapper?
[01:38] <crimsun> Trilobite: you can't expand the beginning of an ext[23]  partition backward
[01:38] <esac_> is anybody else running breezy and vmware 5.0 ?
[01:39] <crimsun> Trilobite: using parted-based tools, that is
[01:39] <mindframe> robotgeek, affirmative
[01:39] <crimsun> Trilobite: if you want to do that, you need to use Partition Magic
[01:39] <Trilobite> ok
[01:39] <Coster> hi
[01:39] <mindframe> robotgeek, looks like someone made a driver for the "acer hotkey" - going to try it out
[01:39] <newbies_ubuntu> i have scsi card and hp surestore DAT40.  How do i configure with ubuntu ? thanks
[01:39] <robotgeek> mindframe: kk
[01:39] <Trilobite> there's nothing else i can do then? because i thought perhaps i could move the partition back and expand at the end of it, but it wouldn't let me do that either
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> newbies_ubuntu: it should Just Work
[01:40] <AlexMBas> HrdwrBoB, thank you very much again
[01:40] <newbies_ubuntu> HrdwrBoB: how can i check it ?
[01:40] <AlexMBas> I have to reboot now ...
[01:40] <AlexMBas> see you later folks
[01:40] <Coster> I got a dell latitude 110l, and switched the video driver from vesa to i810... ever since, any MPEG movie I play shows up weird
[01:40] <shadeofgrey> i need help guys
[01:41] <shadeofgrey> i just installed mplayer for mozilla
[01:41] <esac_> anybody running with a sony vaio with ultrabright ? i would like to get it working in linux
[01:41] <shadeofgrey> whats the name of the package i need for win32codecs?
[01:41] <apokryphos> shadeofgrey: w32codecs
[01:41] <shadeofgrey> esac:  you'll loose a lot of your apecialty hardware
[01:41] <shadeofgrey> apokryphos:  whats the source i need to get it from?
[01:42] <apokryphos> shadeofgrey: check the PM ubotu just sent you
[01:42] <esac_> shadeofgrey: bah, i shouldn't have to lose it :)
[01:42] <macarthy> ubuntu newbie question: I have added some smb share to my  places menu, but they don't show up oin my save/open dialogs, am i doing something stupid?
[01:42] <shadeofgrey> how do i properly put that in my sources.list file
[01:42] <shadeofgrey> ?
[01:42] <shadeofgrey> deb seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:42] <shadeofgrey> ?
[01:42] <apokryphos> shadeofgrey: are you on breezy?
[01:43] <shadeofgrey> apok:  yessir
[01:43] <apokryphos> shadeofgrey: go to the link suggested
[01:45] <macarthy> ubuntu newbie question: I have added some smb shares to my  places menu, but they don't show up in my save/open dialogs, am i doing something stupid?
[01:46] <zrothe> what do you think (http://img286.imageshack.us/img286/9219/getubuntu8dc.gif)
[01:47] <zrothe> ?
[01:47] <windex> macarthy, only some applications support it
[01:47] <macarthy> bugger
[01:47] <shadeofgrey> hey listen...  THANK YOU - everybody who makes ubuntu and this channel possible.  i am SO GLAD i grew some bigger balls and got out of a windows world.  ill never ever go back
[01:47] <apokryphos> zrothe: too big for those little things (that go on webpages)
[01:47] <Seveas> shadeofgrey :)
[01:47] <apokryphos> but cool
[01:48] <apokryphos> shadeofgrey: heh, good to hear :)
[01:48] <macarthy> windex: I googled, read something about a NEW dialog, is that the one that supports it?
[01:48] <zrothe> apok, you mean its to large pixel wise?
[01:48] <esac_> shadeofgrey: thats nice, but i guarantee you'll go back at least once or twice before finally sticking to it
[01:48] <apokryphos> zrothe: size-wise, yes (bigger than the standard)... lemme grab an example
[01:48] <macarthy> windex: is there a standard application that supports it? so I can see it in action?
[01:49] <zrothe> firefox is 5 pixels taller
[01:49] <zrothe> I made it the same length
[01:49] <zrothe> something to go by anyway
[01:49] <zrothe> or 3 px taller
[01:49] <dooglus> does "display" work in breezy?
[01:49] <kataklsym> has anyone here gotten the gyach-enhanced to work with ubuntu?
[01:49] <apokryphos> zrothe: firefox what?
[01:49] <shadeofgrey> esac:  you underestimate my resolve...  i  doused all my windows CD's and $500 worth of microsoft office CD's in lighterfluid and burned them in my front yard yesterday.
[01:49] <zrothe> 'get firefox' logos
[01:50] <apokryphos> zrothe: I'm not sure what you're trying to make, but an example fo the size: http://www.canllaith.org/
[01:50] <kataklsym> i had a problem in RHEL where it just closed out unexpectedly, same thing happens in ubuntu
[01:50] <esac_> oh great, its kataklsym
[01:50] <kataklsym> esac: yea and i fixed my xorg.conf too :D
[01:50] <esac_> kataklsym: without reinstalling i hope ?
[01:50] <kataklsym> correct
[01:50] <IcemanV9> shadeofgrey: no way! didn't ya?
[01:51] <shadeofgrey> i blew my xorg.conf to hell last night and had to redo my entire instaallation from scratch
[01:51] <esac_> kataklsym: ok then i forgive you :)
[01:51] <kataklsym> lol
[01:51] <kataklsym> it was a bug in breezy
[01:51] <kataklsym> the updates messed up the xorg.conf
[01:51] <esac_> shadeofgrey: always back up before f*ck with something that you don't know 100% .. heck even then always backup
[01:51] <kataklsym> and i had updated but not restarted x
[01:51] <kataklsym> and when i did the v4l thing i got the bug
[01:51] <kataklsym> heh
[01:51] <neighborlee> is it actually possible to do a 'upgrade' from hoary > breezy or is it best to just alter sources.list to breezy and dist-ugrade ?
[01:51] <P229> is there an off-the-record encryption package for ubuntu?
[01:51] <dooglus> would a breezy user please try "display" and tell me if it complains of missing fonts?
[01:51] <shadeofgrey> IcemanV9:  way!  they burned well....  very very well with enough encouragement.
[01:51] <esac_> kataklsym: i was trying to tell you that, you wouldn't listen :)
[01:52] <kataklsym> esac_: i listened to u, it was someone else in here trying to tell me that i could do this and do that and i might get it fixed, when that wasnt the case
[01:52] <kataklsym> heh
[01:52] <esac_> dooglus: do i need to apt-get display first ?
[01:52] <neighborlee> I mean as in with the new preview release CD
[01:52] <shadeofgrey> esac_:  the absence of backups forced me to really learn how to do it...  =)  i redid the whole installation in .... 3 hours or so
[01:52] <dooglus> esac_: it comes with ubuntu
[01:52] <esac_> kataklsym: yeah its nice when the whole class thinks they are the teacher :)
[01:52] <dooglus> esac_: part of the 'imagemagick' package
[01:52] <kataklsym> finally: i just went to my ubuntu machine, and done a bunch of shit, til it worked
[01:52] <IcemanV9> shadeofgrey: ha. i dumped windows 5 months ago. :) did NOT missed it at all.
[01:53] <kataklsym> plus i got my v4l / webcam working too
[01:53] <kataklsym> people in here were giving me up the road yesterday
[01:53] <kataklsym> lol
[01:53] <dooglus> esac_: it should be in /usr/bin
[01:53] <esac_> dooglus: i'll try to give it a shot, my proxy server at work isn't liking my linux laptop for some reason
[01:53] <boxerboy29> i dont miss it either its just hard to explain to ppl linux does same thing as winblows but when you go to transfering files and stuff its different
[01:53] <IcemanV9> shadeofgrey: i use rsync to backup my stuff
[01:53] <shadeofgrey> ALL I want to know now is...  is it possible to use the 30" apple cinema display assuming i install a nvidia 7800 card?
[01:54] <shadeofgrey> whats rsync?
[01:54] <cafuego_> shadeofgrey: of course
[01:54] <IcemanV9> man rsync :P
[01:54] <shadeofgrey> i really want to encrypt  my shit...  and all my email and stuff too
[01:54] <shadeofgrey> is it possible to encrypt irc sessions?
[01:54] <shadeofgrey> with ubuntu?
[01:54] <mindframe> how do i print my kernel version?
[01:54] <kataklsym> anyway, now everything is workin ok, except im on a mission to find a yahoo messenger client that supports webcam viewing/sending, and works in ubuntu
[01:54] <Seveas> uname -r
[01:54] <esac_> dooglus: i just ran display and it seems to work .. pops up the program and a file dialog
[01:55] <dooglus> shadeofgrey: IRC doesn't use an encrypted protocol.  you can encrypt your logfiles if that's what you mean
[01:55] <Seveas> ^-- mindframe
[01:55] <dooglus> esac_: thanks.  must be me then.
[01:55] <dooglus> esac_: out of interest, what does "xlsfonts | wc -l" tell you?
[01:55] <cafuego_> shadeofgrey: WWVzLCBidXQgdGhlbiBub2JvZHkgY2FuIHJlYWQgd2hhdCB5b3UncmUgc2F5aW5nLg==
[01:55] <cafuego_> shadeofgrey: So I doubt it's actually useful.
[01:55] <boxerboy29> kataklsyn: i think your gonna have to use 2 different programs for that
[01:55] <kataklsym> wine?
[01:56] <esac_> dooglus: 2937 .. i installed 4 or 5 others too
[01:56] <Seveas> cafuego, base64 isn't encryption ;)
[01:56] <kataklsym> boxxerboy29: like what?
[01:56] <cafuego_> Seveas: it is too!
[01:56] <Seveas> nope
[01:56] <esac_> cafuego_: what are you talking about, i can read what you are saying
[01:56] <cafuego_> Seveas: Not a very good one, but still.
[01:56] <Seveas> merely encoding
[01:56] <boxerboy29> i know there is a yahoo messenger for ubuntu other than gaim but i dont know if it supports ccamming
[01:57] <kataklsym> probably kopete or something
[01:57] <kataklsym> which doesnt
[01:57] <boxerboy29> theres a .deb download on yahoo site
[01:57] <kataklsym> gaim-vv supports viewing of webcam but not broadcasting
[01:57] <cafuego_> Inefay thenpay, I'll otspay.
[01:57] <apokryphos> kataklsym: it does, actually (in 3.5)
[01:57] <kataklsym> boxerboy29: that yahoo client sux, the yahoo for linux
[01:57] <boxerboy29> yes so ive heard
[01:58] <boxerboy29> i use gaim for yahoo and aim
[01:58] <apokryphos> svn at least, actually; will have to verify the 3.5
[01:58] <esac_> cafuego_: V org lbh pna'g ernq jung v'z fnlvat!
[01:58] <kataklsym> spokyrphos: what do u mean?
[01:58] <kataklsym> u talking about kopete? or what?
[01:58] <moro> euskaldunik?
[01:58] <Seveas> esac_, english please :p
[01:58] <cafuego_> where does rot13 live again?
[01:58] <apokryphos> kataklsym: yes
[01:58] <Seveas> cafuego_, rot26 is easier
[01:58] <esac_> Seveas: that was english, just rot13
[01:58] <Gobbla> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=68322
[01:58] <Gobbla> anyone?
[01:59] <Seveas> esac_, looked like klingon to me ;(
[01:59] <Seveas> ;)
[01:59] <kataklsym> apokryphos:  is it on the repos?
[01:59] <cafuego_> Or maybe english backwards, that's safe enough against most scrip kiddies.
[01:59] <apokryphos> kataklsym: 3.5 is, but I'll have to verify that, as I said
[02:00] <cafuego_> Ph'nglui Mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'Lyeh Wgah'nagl Fhtagn
[02:00] <esac_> .. /pircs/tpircs/s
[02:00] <cafuego_> should it be backslash rather then slash in right-to-left? ;-)
[02:00] <kataklsym> im installing kopete anyway, i will see what it does
[02:00] <esac_> cafuego_: lol you are probably right !
[02:00] <Seveas> _oguefac, _esac, can we get back on topic please...
[02:01] <cafuego_> Seveas: dad ykao.
[02:02] <mindframe> how can i view the kernel config in ubuntu?
[02:02] <cafuego_> mindframe: zcat /proc/config.gz
[02:03] <mindframe> cafuego, that does no exist
[02:03] <Seveas> mindframe, or less /boot/config*
[02:03] <zrothe> how about now? http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/5152/getubuntu4jc.gif
[02:03] <kataklsym> apokryphos: kopete 3.5??? the version on the repository is 0.10.3
[02:03] <apokryphos> kataklsym: kubuntu.org
[02:03] <cafuego_> mindframe: Did you compile your own kernel or use a preinstalled one?
[02:04] <mindframe> cafuego, pre-installed.  i found it in /boot
[02:05] <enntee> cafuego_: yesterday you suggested i try installing ugidd for my nfs problems... so i put map_daemon into /etc/exports and installed ugidd, but I get an error "Unsupported mapping" when restarting nfs.. any thoughts?
[02:05] <cafuego_> goodbye, hours of work.
[02:06] <cafuego_> enntee: using nfs-kernel-server?
[02:06] <enntee> cafuego_: yep
[02:06] <cafuego_> enntee: use nfs-user-server for ugidd
[02:06] <enntee> cafuego_: ah, thanks.
[02:06] <kataklsym> apokryphos: where at on there?
[02:06] <apokryphos> kataklsym: 3.5 beta 1 packages
[02:06] <Nomad_1> Hey All
[02:09] <apokryphos> hi Nomad_1 :)
[02:10] <Nomad_1> apokryphos, how are things going?
[02:11] <apokryphos> Pretty excellent, yup :)
[02:11] <apokryphos> Nomad_1: you?
[02:11] <bagawk> I have vanilla kernel source (not the ubuntu, this is from kernel.org), and when I config I have all the options set as the ubuntu default. Why is that? ANd how to fix?
[02:12] <Nomad_1> apokryphos, Not bad at all mate. Glad to hear you're doing so good.
[02:12] <Nomad_1> s`a
[02:12] <Nomad_1> ^<---- that's my cat saying hi :-p
[02:12] <apokryphos> hola!
[02:12] <apokryphos> =)
[02:13] <bob2> bagawk: because the kernel build system got the options from /boot/
[02:13] <bob2> bagawk: if you really think you know better, "rm .config ; touch .config", then menuconfig
[02:13] <bagawk> bob2, Ahh
[02:14] <bagawk> bob2, I do know better, I came from slackware, and built a number of kernels ;)
[02:14] <Nomad_1> Is Gnome considered a Window Manager? Or are things like fluxbox run on top of gnome?
[02:14] <bagawk> Nomad_1, Desktop
[02:14] <ed_> hey, i'm on an hp laptop omnibook 6000, and i was wondering how to shut off touchpad-tapping (to click)
[02:14] <chavo> Nomad_1, gnome is a DE, metacity is the window manager
[02:15] <bagawk> Nomad_1, GNOME does have its own window manager, although you can replace it with flux box..
[02:15] <kataklsym> apokryphos: the kopete on there is the same one that i had in my repos already
[02:15] <apokryphos> kataklsym: hm, kdenetwork 3.5 beta 1 must not be packaged yet then
[02:15] <boxerboy29> cant go into aim chat rooms with kopete :(
[02:15] <Nomad_1> Cool bagawk and chavo, thanks
[02:16] <ed_> |maddox|: not _THE_ maddox, right? maddox.xmission.net?
[02:17] <lnical> Hi.  I've been trying to install Ubuntu but the final part of the install where the debs are unpacked fails every time at different points.
[02:17] <Nomad_1> Another random question.... anyone here read CPU magezine?
[02:17] <kataklsym> well if its kde beta u know they arent gonna package it with a beta version of ubuntu /kubuntu
[02:17] <Nomad_1> lnical, What medium are you installing from?
[02:17] <Deekin> Nomad: I've seen it before, but haven't really read it, which basically equates to a useless answer :)
[02:18] <ed_> hey, does anyone know how to shut off touchpad clicking by tapping it?
[02:18] <boxerboy29> lnical: did you download and burn it? or get it from ubuntu.com?
[02:18] <lnical> I've installed from the pressed Hoary CDs, a netboot CD and a burnt Breezy RC cd.
[02:19] <lnical> The pressed live CD works fine.
[02:19] <boxerboy29> lnical it happens on all of those?
[02:19] <lnical> I think it is the IDE Controller.
[02:19] <lnical> Yes, every one.
[02:19] <boxerboy29> knical: bad ide ribbon?
[02:19] <Nomad_1> lnical, that suggests something's wrong with your hardware..... and I wouldn't know the first place to look for trouble like that.
[02:20] <bob2> might be worth giving your ram a hammer with memtest86
[02:20] <bob2> just t rule it out
[02:20] <Nomad_1> Unless you have an old linux install that isn't completely removed when you try to install Ubuntu and thus conflicts with the package installations.
[02:20] <lnical> I have a SIS 735 Chipset motherboard.  It uses the sis5513 driver.  I've read some where it has UDMA privkens,
[02:20] <bob2> Nomad_1: ubuntu creates a new filesystem before installing
[02:20] <lnical> UDMA problems.
[02:20] <bob2> I'm not even sure how yo ucould avoid doing that
[02:20] <bob2> well, I am, but it's not somehting youd do by accident
[02:21] <Nomad_1> bob2, Thanks .... didn't know that :).
[02:21] <lnical> I always delete existing partitions.  I have used multiple HDDs and multiple CD rom drives and different IDE cables.
[02:21] <kataklsym> anyone in here ever watch any of the revision3.com stuff?
[02:22] <boxerboy29> lnical they are all putting same output error?
[02:22] <lnical> This machine has had a Redhat 9 install on it a couple of years ago.
[02:22] <robotgeek> kataklsym: offtopic banter is welcome in #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:22] <lnical> Same error, different locations.
[02:22] <lnical> server install also fails.
[02:22] <bob2> lnical: has anything else installed on it successfully lately?
[02:23] <lnical> Honestly, no.  I haven't tried anything else in a while.   The Live CD works fine on it though.
[02:23] <brownie17> does anybody know if there is a netpune plugin for linux?
[02:24] <boxerboy29> lnical: ubuntu going on same hd as redhat?
[02:24] <bob2> lnical: the live cd isn't going to be hitting the hard disk, tho
[02:24] <bob2> brownie17: what would that do?
[02:24] <lnical> No, brand new hard drive in it now.  The redhat installation was removed.
[02:24] <brownie17> bob2, so i can use activex controls in mozilla
[02:25] <bob2> haha
[02:25] <bob2> no
[02:25] <brownie17> bob2, why the laugh?
[02:25] <lnical> bob2: I think I did a userLinux netinstall a while ago.  It went fine.
[02:26] <boxerboy29> lnical: if the live cd works than your cd player is fine it sounds like maybe a bad spot or misconfigured hd
[02:26] <brownie17> bob2, what's funny? i don't get it!
[02:26] <boxerboy29> brownie activex are microsoft
[02:26] <nalioth> brownie17: activeX doesnt work with linux
[02:26] <bob2> brownie17: I hope mozilla never gets the ability to run random untrusted code on my system
[02:27] <lnical> bob2:  Yes, the LiveCD wouldn't access the hard drive normally.  I have the LiveCD in now and the HDD mounted up.
[02:27] <bob2> lnical: right, but not nearly as much as installing would. could you try running bonnie++ agaoinst the hard disk from the live cd?
[02:27] <brownie17> bob2, haha, i guess you're right. i wanted it because pcpitstop told me i needed it to test my comp, and if i don't test my comp my account will expire
[02:27] <taseal> selam
[02:28] <lnical> bob2: I looked in var/log/messages and didn't see anything unusual.
[02:28] <bob2> brownie17: have to try IE in wine or something
[02:28] <bob2> lnical: how about in "dmesg"?
[02:28] <lnical> bob2:  Nothing stands out.
[02:29] <test34> why when ubuntu install a new kernel it removes the OS you manually added to grub ? is that a bug in breezy ?
[02:29] <dooglus> does breezy install "xfs", the X font server, by default?
[02:29] <crimsun> dooglus: no
[02:29] <bob2> lnical: I'd try bonnie++ then
[02:29] <dooglus> crimsun: I can't get gdm to run without xfs any more.  do you know how to?
[02:29] <bob2> test34: no, you didn't read the documentation in menu.lst properly
[02:29] <RJ_Not_ajay> any1 have trouble with the acx100 driver on 5.10?
[02:29] <bob2> dooglus: gdm runs fine without it
[02:29] <brownie17> bob2, nah not worth it, IE=crap. although apparently IE loads images %30 faster!!
[02:30] <boxerboy29> lnical: what type of harddrive is it?
[02:30] <lnical> bob2:  Where is bonnie++ located?
[02:30] <crimsun> dooglus: font path problem? Try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:30] <bob2> test34: it will overwrite much of the file; if you want something in there manually, you need to add it to the right section
[02:30] <dooglus> crimsun: ok.
[02:30] <test34> bob2, I added it with the System - Administration - Boot GUI tool..
[02:31] <lnical> boxerboy29:  The current drive is a brand new 200GB Samsung, the bios and linux recognize it correctly as 200 GB.  I had an older 30 GB Maxtor in it before
[02:31] <bob2> test34: maybe it's broken then
[02:31] <bob2> lnical: you'll need to install it
[02:32] <dreumah> hi what do i install to beable to watch dvds?
[02:32] <brownie17> !tell brownie17 about dma
[02:33] <boxerboy29> mplayer allows you to watch dvds no?
[02:33] <boman_> Yup, but without menu support.
[02:34] <RJ_Not_ajay> any1 use a acx100 wireless card in ubuntu 5.10?
[02:34] <teddy_> salu
[02:34] <lnical> bob2:  Package is installed.  I've not used it before.  How do I use it?
[02:34] <bimberi> dreumah: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:34] <boxerboy29> im sure if he looks through synaptic he can fine like 30 of them
[02:35] <boxerboy29> mplayer is the one that popuped up
[02:35] <boxerboy29> poped up
[02:35] <dreumah> i tried the wiki, but i didnt get any smarter from that
[02:35] <Ninjew> Hey, does anybody use opera 8.5 on a 64bit install?
[02:36] <dooglus> crimsun: wow, that was a lot of questions...
[02:36] <boxerboy29> ninjew: not sure if this is same on 64 and 32 but i understand that opera 8.5 doesnt do well on breezy
[02:37] <Ninjew> boxerboy29: I've got Opera up and running and it works great, except I was wondering if anyone had any success in making it use antialiased fonts
[02:37] <Ninjew> through fontconfig or whatever
[02:39] <dreumah> mplayer is also not getting me anywhere
[02:39] <boxerboy29> ninjew than im nto sure i have to get a patched version of 8.5 and i havent installed it yet
[02:40] <Ninjew> boxerboy29: I was simply able to download the statically linked .deb, and dpkg --force-architecture -i the debfile
[02:40] <Ninjew> worked perfectly
[02:40] <Ninjew> i mean, minus fonts looking sorta assy
[02:40] <Xappe> dreumah, very easy way: sudo apt-get install vlc
[02:40] <Airk> gdm does not start anymore after recompiling kernel modules. error: libwrap.so.0 not found.
[02:40] <dreumah> xappe i ll try
[02:40] <alec_> Does anybody know if there is a 2d or 3d .gif animator???
[02:40] <locomorto> dreumah: add the marillat repo
[02:40] <boxerboy29> i downloaded it and it kept telling me there was a broken package on systema nd later found out it was opera
[02:40] <bob2> lnical: --help
[02:40] <Xappe> dreumah: that is the videolan player
[02:40] <dreumah> locomorto how?
[02:40] <locomorto> dreumah: sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
[02:40] <bob2> lnical: I don't have it installed atm
[02:41] <locomorto> dreumah: remove marillate repo
[02:41] <locomorto> actually hold on, i'll make it easier for you
[02:41] <locomorto> 2 secs
[02:41] <dreumah> locomorto ?huh
[02:41] <Ninjew> I may stick with using opera though, nasty fonts and all
[02:41] <Ninjew> I love that browser so much
[02:41] <ghostdog> how di use wine here in ubuntu?
[02:42] <bob2> same as you use it on any other *nix
[02:42] <bob2> install it
[02:42] <bob2> run it
[02:42] <Ninjew> ghostdog, i386 or amd64?
[02:42] <bob2> remember how bad it is
[02:42] <gt500k> Does anybody know if there is a 2d or 3d .gif animator???
[02:42] <bob2> then find a ntive tool to replace it
[02:42] <moparfan90> hello. i know this is off topic but does anyone know a very good free web host?
[02:42] <gt500k> www.freewebs.com
[02:42] <Ninjew> comedy geocities option
[02:42] <RJ_Not_ajay> i have a d-link dwl-650+, it works under hoary but not breezy, any ideas?
[02:42] <bob2> RJ_Not_ajay: it doesn't work on breezy when you follow the sae steps you used on hoary?
[02:43] <dreumah> locomorto do i add it and if how? or do i remove it
[02:43] <dreumah> ?
[02:43] <gt500k> www.freewebs.com
[02:43] <RJ_Not_ajay> bob2: yup
[02:43] <lnical> bob2: running on the drive now.
[02:43] <gt500k> Does anybody know if there is a 2d or 3d .gif animator???
[02:43] <moparfan90> no i mean a free web host with at least 500mb space and at least 5 gb's bandwidth
[02:43] <locomorto> dreumah: just hold on
[02:43] <moparfan90> not like freewebs they stick+
[02:43] <ilpavox> ubuntu had no problem with the rf switch on my laptop.  does anyone know what driver it installs with the default installation?
[02:43] <karen> hi--- i'm having printing problems.  printer has a red exclamation on it.  Don't know what that exactly means and how to correct it. wont print at all. has applications waiting to print and can't cancel them either.
[02:43] <ghostdog> Ninjew :I386
[02:43] <bob2> gt500k: you don't need to repeat
[02:44] <kataklsym> in the Smeg menu editor how do i set a program to run as root and prompt for a pass and automatically run that program after the pass is entered?
[02:44] <Ninjew> ghostdog, oh then you should be able to add the wine repository and add it
[02:44] <Ninjew> ghostdog, go to winehq.org
[02:44] <bob2> NO
[02:44] <boxerboy29> moparfan: i have freewebs and its 100mb bandwidth a month and 46mb of space
[02:44] <kataklsym> like if i want to run mozilla-thunderbird as root how do i set that up in smeg menu editor?
[02:44] <bob2> that would be stupid
[02:44] <mjr> you don't want to do that
[02:44] <bob2> don't do that
[02:45] <moparfan90> boxerboy29, thats nothing. thats bad very bad i had a host that gave 4gb space and 15gb bandwidth
[02:45] <esac_> bob2: if i recall correctly, you are running vmware in breezy, right ?
[02:45] <bob2> esac_: yes
[02:45] <moparfan90> and alot of scripts
[02:45] <boxerboy29> moparfan: with freewebs?
[02:45] <esac_> bob2: whenever i try to go into snapshot manager, vmware dies. do you experience this same problem ?
[02:45] <moparfan90> no!!
[02:45] <kataklsym> bob2 why would it be so stupid bob2? whats any different than running anything else as root?
[02:45] <boxerboy29> oh ok
[02:45] <bob2> kataklsym: running most things as root is also stupid
[02:45] <bob2> kataklsym: especially enormous gui applications
[02:45] <boxerboy29> xms im gonna try next
[02:45] <bob2> kataklsym: what possible reason do you have for trying?
[02:46] <bob2> esac_: is it oopsing your kernel?
[02:46] <esac_> bob2: nope, haven't had that issue since i installed using any2any
[02:46] <kataklsym> bob2: because i users on my setup cant load and use the extensions for webmail, but root can.
[02:46] <_n00blar_> Hi all, quick question...anyone has ever tried to setup a vpn connection to a pix firewall using L2TP and ipsec?
[02:46] <bob2> kataklsym: then fix it, duh
[02:46] <bob2> esac_: ah, dunno then, sorry
[02:46] <lnical> bob2:  bonnie++ has run.  A bunch of performance stats but no errors.
[02:46] <dooglus> crimsun: I tried that reconfigure of xserver-xorg, answered all its questions, but it's still failing to start X.  it can't find default font 'fixed'.
[02:46] <apokryphos> kataklsym: root shouldn't be seen as a solution
[02:47] <esac_> bob2 : snapshot manager works just fine for you then i take it ?
[02:47] <kataklsym> i dont see what is so stupid running it as root, im behind 2 firewalls that isnt forwarded.. and i dont think mozilla thunderbird is gonna screw my system up..
[02:47] <gt500k> Does anybody know if there is a 2d or 3d .gif animator???
[02:47] <bob2> kataklsym: that almost certainly means that you installed the extensions wrong
[02:47] <esac_> kataklsym: why do you want to run as root ?
[02:47] <bob2> gt500k: stop it
[02:47] <bob2> gt500k: install blender and leave us along
[02:47] <kataklsym> it works as root, dont as my user
[02:47] <Tribune> hi........... i need help. i'm using kubuntu which is now fully updated.
[02:47] <bob2> kataklsym: because running anything as root that you don't have to is stupid
[02:47] <apokryphos> kataklsym: maybe google for root and gui. Why do you think ubuntu has it disabled?
[02:48] <bob2> kataklsym: running thunderbird as root means means if an email exploits a whole in it, it can format your hard disk
[02:48] <bob2> Tribune: you need to ak a question if you need help...
[02:48] <kataklsym> bob2: yea i guess if u say its stupid it is, whats the diff in running synaptic and mozilla thunderbird ?
[02:48] <Tribune> at present my window 2000 professional facing problem and i need to reformat my windows. i did do last time this and my grub loader not function
[02:48] <apokryphos> kataklsym: the application is *made* to be run as root
[02:48] <bob2> kataklsym: synaptic is designed to run as root
[02:48] <Octane> 2.6.12-9 kernel is out
[02:48] <Tribune> if i format my window............. how can i maintain my  grub loader
[02:48] <toolbox> kataklsym: it's a rule *never* run as root for more than absolutely necessary
[02:48] <dooglus> kataklsym: whereas if you run thunderbird as your own user, all it can do it delete all your files.  the OS itself will be safe.
[02:48] <moparfan90> i think this month i changed distros about 7 times and just came right back to ubuntu after getting so pissed off with stupit .rpm files and all there stupit crap
[02:49] <ghostdog> Ninjew :i added the repositories ang and all that need to be added i used the synaptic ,but i just dont know how to run it
[02:49] <Octane> dont upgrade yet though since the modules package is not updated
[02:49] <ritalin> anyone recommend a fun OSS game?
[02:49] <apokryphos> kataklsym: I'm not sure how it is in gnome, but in kde you can bork up your configuration files, ruin dcop sockets, and have increased vulnerability as root in GUI
[02:49] <angel> hi
[02:49] <toolbox> hi angel
[02:49] <cafuego_> ritalin: nethack, bzflag, supertux, tuxracer, frozen-bubble, gnocatan.
[02:49] <angel> care to chat
[02:49] <esac_> is there any program which can detect where i am at (work/home/starbucks) possibly based off some information (domain name, what dhcp ip address i am currently using, etc..) and automatically change all of my network settings for me (use wireless or eth0, use wins or not, automatically mount and unmount samba shares, etc...) ?
[02:49] <kataklsym> im not running X as root
[02:49] <toolbox> are you a grrrrl?
[02:49] <dooglus> ritalin: DROD
[02:49] <angel> hi toolbox?
[02:49] <bob2> Tribune: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[02:49] <kataklsym> well ok then lets do it the hard way
[02:49] <Octane> toolbox: needs to be kb'd
[02:50] <bob2> esac_: laptop-net does things like that
[02:50] <_n00blar_> esac_, I don't know if Ubuntu has that feature, but I know Suse and Linspire do
[02:50] <DewDude> evening
[02:50] <kataklsym> what can i do thats pretty easy that will give my user write permissions in the mozilla thunderbird extensions ?
[02:50] <locomorto> dreumah: cd ~
[02:50] <esac_> bob2: ill give it a try, thanks
[02:50] <bob2> kataklsym: it's not hard; look at the permissions in /usr/lib/mozilla and figure out what's wrong
[02:50] <kicolobo> Hi, I'm using ubuntu (Breezy Badger) and I whould like to install the totem codecs. How can I do this?
[02:50] <moparfan90> toolbox, are you like 10 or something
[02:50] <apokryphos> kataklsym: I never said you were, of course
[02:50] <bob2> kataklsym: no, your users do not need write permissions
[02:50] <Octane> seriously
[02:50] <moparfan90> toolbox,  ohh a girl oohh yay a girl .... wow
[02:50] <apokryphos> kicolobo: install w32codecs
[02:50] <locomorto> dreumah: join #locomorto
[02:50] <kicolobo> how can I do this?
[02:50] <kataklsym> bob2: well it already has X perms
[02:50] <locomorto> dreumah: The channel that is
[02:51] <kataklsym> what else would it need
[02:51] <bob2> kataklsym: read?
[02:51] <kataklsym> im pretty sure mozilla-thunderbird installs with read perms now doesnt it?
[02:51] <apokryphos> kicolobo: check your PM from ubotu
[02:51] <kataklsym> or does that go back to its designed to run as root?
[02:51] <bob2> oh, stop being silly
[02:51] <apokryphos> kicolobo: let me know if you have problems with any part of that
[02:52] <lnical> bob2:  Thanks for your advice.   I'll try to work some more on this install later.
[02:52] <kicolobo> it's not listed on synaptic. Where can I download this?
[02:52] <bob2> if you're going to pretend to be an admin, you need to lose the attitude
[02:52] <bob2> kataklsym: run "find /usr/lib/thunderbird -exec ls -ld \{\} \;" and put it up somewhere
[02:52] <poningru> bob2: was I talking to you about voice recognition?
[02:52] <poningru> or was that someone else?
[02:53] <apokryphos> kicolobo: as I said, check your message from ubotu
[02:53] <apokryphos> or just...
[02:53] <Tribune> bob2 i did try to open website add u give.... i get message " This document cannot be displayed unless you install the Personal Securoty Manager (PSM). Download and isntall PSM and try again.
[02:53] <apokryphos> !w32codecs
[02:53] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of codecs for popular audio/video formats (wmv etc). Install from giannaros.org/public/hoarydebs or breezy: seveas.ubuntulinux.nl. 64bit? See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399
[02:53] <bob2> poningru: yeah
[02:53] <bob2> Tribune: ok
[02:53] <myNegReal> for partition options, do i need to make seperate main, boot swap etc and format them in another program or can i do that in the install using fdisk or something
[02:53] <bimberi> myNegReal: you can do it during the install
[02:53] <bob2> myNegReal: the installer lets you do all that
[02:54] <myNegReal> ok cool
[02:54] <myNegReal> thanks
[02:54] <Tribune> bob2... it ok... i can open now using konquerour
[02:54] <poningru> bob2: ->#ubuntu-offtopic
[02:55] <RJ_Not_ajay> any idea why my wireless card works under hoary, but not breezy, even if i have done nothing differently?
[02:55] <_n00blar_> Anyone here has gotten gmail-notifyer to work? I keep getting that login failure...even as I've downloaded the lastet source.
[02:55] <esac_> i installed laptop-net but i cant find a menu option for it. is it old skool text editing or something ?
[02:55] <bob2> esac_: yes
[02:56] <esac_> bob2: has anybody else reported issues where they run "sudo command" where command can be anything, and it just hangs? i keep getting that intermittently
[02:56] <RJ_Not_ajay> can any1 akgnowlage that i said something?
[02:57] <dooglus> I solved the gdm/xfs problem.  would you believe x.org was using xorg.conf from the home directory in preference to /etc/X11/xorg.conf!!!
[02:57] <RJ_Not_ajay> theres 425 people in this room, has 1 of them had the same problem as me?
[02:57] <bob2> dooglus: that is documented...
[02:57] <esac_> RJ_Not_ajay: sorry didnt hear you, must be your wireless card not working :)
[02:57] <kataklsym> bob2: put it up somewhere?
[02:57] <bob2> RJ_Not_ajay: it's really better not to be annoying
[02:57] <bob2> RJ_Not_ajay: if something stopped working, please file a bug
[02:57] <dooglus> bob2: ok.  I don't remember even making an xorg.conf in my home directory
[02:57] <chavo> dooglus, that's xorg's default behaviour
[02:57] <RJ_Not_ajay> well, it works under windows, hoary, but not breezy
[02:58] <chavo> you probably copied it there to back it up
[02:58] <kataklsym> bob2: i cant figure out why my extension to my webmail isnt starting with my user, but it starts as root
[02:58] <esac_> RJ_Not_ajay: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[02:58] <harrison> how do i write the output of a command to a file?
[02:58] <chavo> I've done the same thing
[02:58] <bob2> kataklsym: ...
[02:58] <poningru> RJ_Not_ajay: dude breezy is not supposed to be out yet
[02:58] <kataklsym> bob2: it loads it, but it doesnt use it
[02:58] <bob2> kataklsym: I belive I told you what to do
[02:58] <poningru> that means you will not get perfect working conditions
[02:58] <kataklsym> u said put it up somewhere
[02:58] <bob2> harrison: blah > filename.txt
[02:58] <chavo> harrison, command > filename
[02:58] <kataklsym> put it up somewhere as in what the heck do u mean by that
[02:58] <bob2> nevermind
[02:58] <poningru> RJ_Not_ajay: what you should do is file a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.org
[02:59] <RJ_Not_ajay> thanks
[02:59] <bob2> I thought it was pretty clear I meant for you to make it available for other people to see
[02:59] <harrison> bob2, well i have this long output of crap when i try to compile something, and it only gives me the last few lines
[02:59] <_n00blar_> How do I go about installing TT fonts? Is there an installer?
[02:59] <bob2> harrison: compile errors do not get output like that
[02:59] <harrison> ahh
[02:59] <bob2> _n00blar_: you already have lots of TT fonts installed
[02:59] <bob2> _n00blar_: drage them to ~/.fonts if you want more
[03:00] <chavo> _n00blar_, put them in ~/.fonts if you're the only user
[03:00] <bob2> harrison: foo 2>&1 blah.txt
[03:00] <_n00blar_> bob2, just wanted arial
[03:00] <_n00blar_> chavo, oh, cool
[03:00] <esac_> is it ok to file anjuta bugs in ubuntu bugzilla, or is there a place more appropriate for them ?
[03:00] <kataklsym> bob2: i can run mozilla, and i can check normal mail, the extension loads in mozilla, the properties of the extension says status: failed,   and doesnt give the type of error...
[03:01] <newbies_ubuntu> which key stroke to log off system? thanks
[03:01] <cat> newbies_ubuntu: logout
[03:01] <bob2> kataklsym: holy god
[03:01] <bob2> kataklsym: stop talking and do what I said
[03:01] <kataklsym> holy god my ass
[03:01] <kataklsym> everything in that dir has r perms
[03:01] <bob2> esac_: launchpad.net
[03:01] <newbies_ubuntu> d
[03:01] <bob2> kataklsym: be quiet and do it
[03:01] <kataklsym> i did it god damn
[03:01] <bob2> kataklsym: ...
[03:02] <bob2> kataklsym: and the url is?
[03:02] <kataklsym> the url to what?
[03:02] <kataklsym> that didnt return a damn url
[03:02] <DewDude> hrmm...ubuntu installed new linux-powerpc....should i reboot?
[03:02] <bob2> kataklsym: so, shut up
[03:02] <Lars_G> Hey all.
[03:02] <bob2> kataklsym: run the command I said
[03:02] <bob2> kataklsym: and put the output on the web
[03:02] <kataklsym> it returned a list of all the directories and their perms
[03:02] <kataklsym> put it on the web for what?
[03:03] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Still around? if I ask you directly It would be leeching?
[03:03] <kataklsym> you make about as much sense as asking my dog for help
[03:03] <kataklsym> i dont think putting it on the web is going to solve it
[03:03] <Lars_G> kataklsym: So he can check them.
[03:03] <apokryphos> Lars_G: fire away
[03:03] <newbies_ubuntu> how do you know that your SCSI-tape drive is working ?
[03:03] <kataklsym> well if he would have said that it might have helped
[03:04] <apokryphos> kataklsym: please don't be silly
[03:04] <kataklsym> but instead he said what url did it give
[03:04] <kataklsym> and then he said to shut up
[03:04] <kataklsym> ls giving a url
[03:04] <kataklsym> yea
[03:04] <bob2> I told you 4 times
[03:04] <bob2> don't worry, I won't waste any more time trying to help you
[03:04] <kataklsym> bob2: i can tell what perms it has
[03:04] <kataklsym> everything has R
[03:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> since my computer has two ethernet jacks, is there any relatively simple way to sort of use it as a router so that i can plug my voip phone into the back to configure it?
[03:04] <Lars_G> apokryphos: This is not really ubuntu related but since it must be a common question, I used make-jpkg to build java package, installs well, and the plugin in firefox is created as a link to alternatives which is of course a link to the actual plugin... opera sees the plugin, and konqueror can use java if I specify the VM's location as always, but firefox refuses to see the plugin, any clues?
[03:05] <apokryphos> Lars_G: why didn't you install the java packs?
[03:05] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Which ones?
[03:05] <apokryphos> but anway..
[03:05] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Lars_G about sunjava
[03:05] <apokryphos> those
[03:05] <Lars_G> apokryphos: I use sun java (I develope on java), didn't find any sun packs in universe, or multivere... did I miss it?
[03:05] <Lars_G> Thanks
[03:06] <reiki> BROKEN_LADDER, 2 jacks?  then you should have 2 ethernet cards detected
[03:06] <Lars_G> Thank you apokryphos
[03:06] <apokryphos> Lars_G: the plugin's in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins ?
[03:06] <apokryphos> np
[03:07] <ilpavox> anyone know what driver ubuntu uses by default for the radio frequency switch on wireless cards?
[03:08] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Yup
[03:08] <knapp> Need help install ubuntu given drivers for ati
[03:08] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Linked as it should be (not copied)
[03:08] <knapp> I am following this howto: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=348911
[03:08] <knapp> the top part
[03:08] <kataklsym> bob2: ok i pasted it to pastebin.com here:      http://pastebin.com/371596
[03:08] <apokryphos> Lars_G: hm
[03:08] <Lars_G> ilpavox: If you have native drivers, use iwconfig to change the channel.
[03:08] <kataklsym> now without being an ass about it can u check and see why it is doing what its doing?
[03:09] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Yep it's strange., well I'll try that repository first.
[03:09] <Lars_G> apokryphos: No prob. I am onto it
[03:09] <knapp> Anyone?
[03:10] <LinuxJones> kataklsym, you expect someone to help after speaking to them like that ?
[03:10] <Xenguy> LinuxJones: gone
[03:10] <newbies_ubuntu> please help me to config my tape-drive....
[03:10] <Lars_G> LinuxJones: I think he does.
[03:11] <locomorto> hey does anyone here have hoary? And is brave enough to run a untested script to install libdvdcss2?
[03:11] <ilpavox> lars_g: i need to know because i am trying to put debian on a laptop alongside ubunut.  debian won't turn the rf switch on whie ubuntu has no problem
[03:12] <bob2> locomorto: hoary already includes a script for that
[03:12] <locomorto> Really?
[03:12] <bob2> knapp: ignore the forums, wiki.ubunu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:12] <Lars_G> ilpavox: That escapes me, sorry.
[03:12] <bob2> ilpavox: it's hardware- and driver-specific
[03:12] <bob2> ilpavox: it would be because ubuntu's kernel has support for it
[03:13] <locomorto> bob2: where is this script? I must have missed it (and god only knows i do that alot)
[03:13] <Lars_G> bob2: Which means it can be compiled in debian's kernel.
[03:13] <cafuego_> locomorto: /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/
[03:13] <Lars_G> apokryphos: I think I'll skip over these packages, sorry
[03:14] <ilpavox> bob2: it works when i modconf ipw2200 but not when i modprobe it.. kernel support must be there if it works temrpoarily
[03:14] <j-linux> Has anyone ever had problems sending to hotmail accounts from Evolution?  There are a couple of addresses that when I try to send to them it says "mailbox unavailable" and doesn't send.
[03:14] <Lars_G> apokryphos: I'll try reducing the path from plugins to actual file to a single symlink and see
[03:14] <cafuego_> locomorto: Run the script as root, wait, install packages, done,.
[03:14] <locomorto> cafuego_: it install libdvdcss2?
[03:14] <HrdwrBoB> j-linux: that's not evolutions fault
[03:14] <cafuego_> locomorto: No, it builds libdvdcss2 packages
[03:14] <apokryphos> Lars_G: so java definitely works? Did you follow the instructions on the wiki?
[03:14] <daddius> hey does ubuntu have support for sata hard drives?
[03:14] <locomorto> cafuego_: ic
[03:14] <knapp> bob2 I think thats the wrong link
[03:14] <cafuego_> daddius: yes
[03:14] <j-linux> HrdwrBob:  yeah... I don't blame Evolution.  I would assume MS if anything but it doesn't even send the messgae.  I can't figure it out.
[03:15] <bob2> locomorto: /usr/share/doc/libdvdread or so
[03:15] <daddius> cafuego_, which version should i get to try this out?
[03:15] <bob2> Lars_G: sure
[03:15] <limer> what file should I edit to give my box a static ip?
[03:15] <cafuego_> daddius: Up to you.
[03:15] <bob2> ilpavox: that is very surprising
[03:15] <bob2> ilpavox: I don't know what's up with that then
[03:15] <cafuego_> daddius: 5.04 if you're new to linux.
[03:15] <bob2> limer: /etc/network/interfaces
[03:15] <j-linux> It is only some hotmail accounts.  And I can send to them from the web-based email.
[03:15] <HrdwrBoB> j-linux: that's an error from the server you are using to send mail
[03:15] <locomorto> bob2: thx
[03:15] <HrdwrBoB> j-linux: contact your service provider
[03:15] <bob2> knapp: how so?
[03:16] <ilpavox> crap
[03:16] <daddius> cafuego_ i had some version of ubuntu and it locked up  during installation... So i gave debian a try and debian install couldn't see sata drive
[03:16] <jbwise> good evening... i'm trying in vain to get DVD support in breezy.  i got libdvdcss2 installed, but i'm still getting an error about gstreamer not being able to handle dvd://
[03:16] <Lars_G> apokryphos: I don't know where the instructions where, but I used java-package to create the .deb I used, and yes it works.... and firefox sees it now.
[03:16] <daddius> but ubuntu locked up on me
[03:16] <daddius> i will redownload and see if i get the same problem
[03:16] <Lars_G> apokryphos: It seems it breaks even if there is the middle stepping stone of /etc/alternatives.
[03:16] <Lars_G> apokryphos: It needs to be a symlink directly to the plugin file or it'll fail, or so it seems
[03:16] <j-linux> HrdwrBoB: from my hosting company, that hosts my sites?  (my email domains and servers)
[03:17] <HrdwrBoB> j-linux: whatever your outbound SMTP is set to
[03:17] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Thanks for the hand
[03:17] <j-linux> HrdwrBoB: I hate that company.... arrrggg.
[03:17] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[03:17] <apokryphos> Lars_G: wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaPackageBuildNewVersions <-- those ones
[03:17] <j-linux> 1and1
[03:17] <j-linux> .com
[03:17] <HrdwrBoB> j-linux: your outbound SMTP should be set to your ISP though
[03:17] <apokryphos> Lars_G: you know, if you're a kde aficionado you should join us in #kubuntu =)
[03:17] <knapp> bob2 it was https://  that lead to http://someportalsite
[03:18] <harrison> bob2, so i should "make blah.ko 2>&1 blah.txt" to write all of the output to a file?  not working for me.
[03:18] <j-linux> HrdwrBoB: my ISP?  I have so many different locations where I use the Internet
[03:18] <j-linux> HrdwrBoB: why not 1and1.com where my email servers are?
[03:19] <harrison> j-linux, many isp's dont allow you to use smtp servers besides their own.
[03:19] <HrdwrBoB> j-linux: it's up to you
[03:19] <n3t0> how i can install the wine..
[03:19] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Sure.
[03:19] <j-linux> harrison:  I've tried that before.  Somehow I thought that I got returned mail -- something like "does not allow relaying" or something
[03:19] <JakeX> hey guys.. quick question, if i do an apt-get upgrade and one of the upgrades is mysql-server (which i have already running) will this update the bins? or overwrite everything?
[03:19] <n3t0> dont have him im my repositoris
[03:20] <harrison> JakeX, im sure it wouldnt overwrite anything important
[03:20] <j-linux> I use Internet at the house and at coffee shops with free wireless...  It would be a hassle to change the SMTP on all 18 email accounts every time I move
[03:20] <harrison> j-linux, webmail :(
[03:20] <jbwise> anyone set up libdvdcss2 and totem-gstreamer on breezy?
[03:20] <j-linux> harrison: :( :(
[03:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> would there be any relatively simple way that you could connect two devices by their ethernet connection, and have them operate together, say one was a web server and the other a computer with a web browser.  without dhcp?
[03:21] <j-linux> arg...
[03:21] <JakeX> harrison:  thanks.. :)  can anyone confirm this? :P hehe just wanna be as sure as possible
[03:21] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: yes, give them static IPs
[03:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> HrdwrBoB and then just connect them and bam?
[03:21] <MarcN> j-linux: I set all output smtp to be localhost:2525 and have a couple of scripts that do a ssh port forwarding from localhost:2525 to smtp-server-of-the-day:25
[03:21] <Amaranth> BROKEN_LADDER: OS X can do that with bonjour ;)
[03:21] <j-linux> logging in to 18 email accounts will not work with web mail.  That's why I use evolution
[03:21] <bob2> knapp: ubuntu.com, of course
[03:21] <harrison> JakeX, upgrades wont overwrite configuration data or anything like that.  if it needs to apt will ask you before doing so
[03:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have bonjour installed.
[03:22] <bob2> harrison: no, make 2>&1 >./blah.txt
[03:22] <JakeX> ok thanks :)
[03:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> i need to program my new sip adapter but i don't have a router.
[03:22] <harrison> ah thanks bob2
[03:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> dang..i'll hafta unpluginate.
[03:22] <Airk> can apt-get check for lost files?
[03:22] <n3t0> some one can paste a sources.list complete with have the wine
[03:22] <bob2> n3t0: wine is in ubuntu...
[03:22] <bob2> Airk: debsums can
[03:22] <j-linux> MarcN: that is an interesting idea.  I'm not that advanced yet though.
[03:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have an obfuscated sources.list you could use.
[03:22] <bob2> Airk: (it's well outside apt's area of responsibility)
[03:23] <dooglus> bob2: that's not quite right.  the 2>&1 should go after >./blah.txt
[03:23] <Xenguy> n3t0: why not just 'apt-get install wine' ?
[03:23] <Xenguy> n3t0: er, sudo that
[03:23] <n3t0> Xenguy, he dont find the wine
[03:23] <dooglus> harrison: make obj.ko > blah.txt 2>&1
[03:23] <harrison> ahh cool
[03:24] <Xenguy> n3t0: running Hoary?
[03:24] <bob2> dooglus: hm, yeah, tho I never did understand why
[03:24] <bob2> n3t0: are you on i386?
[03:24] <MarcN> j-linux: ssh -f -C -L 2525:smtp.myisp.com:25 me@home.myisp.com sleep 6000
[03:24] <n3t0> bob2, yes
[03:24] <bob2> n3t0: /msg ubotu repositories
[03:24] <n3t0> ops
[03:24] <j-linux> MarcN: is that something I type at the terminal just once?
[03:25] <Xenguy> n3t0: you could try 'sudo apt-setup'
[03:25] <hectorman> hello and good evening (morning)... I'm trying to build a 2.6.12 kernel for Breezy including all the ubuntu patches plus Ingo Molnar's realtime-preempt. I've configures everything according to the kernel building guide in the ubuntu wiki, When going trhough the patching the process halts with an error. It seems that the realtime patch is not compatible with the ubuntu patches. Anyone could help me? I can provide mire details...
[03:25] <j-linux> MarcN: actually I don't know if that will work for me because I don't have an ISP.  No me@home.myisp.com
[03:25] <MarcN> j-linux: I put that in a connect-smtp-home script.  that tunnel stays up for 600 seconds (5min)
[03:26] <hectorman> sorry for the typos...
[03:26] <MarcN> j-linux: if the smtp is 'local' to your network, just use me@localhost for the last part.
[03:27] <j-linux> MarcN: I'm usually at a coffee shop with free wireless Internet.  They are probably using bellsouth or comcast or something.
[03:27] <n3t0> bob2, in a amd64 wine have problens?
[03:28] <j-linux> MarcN: It sounds like a good idea but I'm not sure if I could set it up.  For some reason I've never had a problem when in Windows with that (a lot of other problems though) -- this is a new problem only with Evolution
[03:28] <n3t0> my friend use a amd64
[03:28] <bob2> n3t0: it doesn't exist on amd64
[03:28] <bimberi> n3t0: wine is only available for i386
[03:28] <n3t0> thanks
[03:30] <Airk> bob2: excellent. thank you. I am wondering how my ext3 partition could get corrupt.
[03:31] <dooglus> bob2: read from left to right on the command line, and read "2>&1" to be "put the errors where the output is going".  then "make 2>&1 > file" means "put the errors to the screen and put output to file"
[03:31] <dooglus> bob2: whereas "make > file 2>&1" means "put the output to a file and put the errors to the same place"
[03:32] <harrison> could someone please tell me why this is failing to compile? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2445
[03:32] <bob2> dooglus: hm, I guess I assumed 2>&1 redirected it to stdout, and >blah redirected everything that was going to stdout to the file
[03:32] <dooglus> bob2: > is a shorthand for 1>
[03:32] <bob2> harrison: read the top 4 lines, it told you the exact problem
[03:33] <harrison> bob2, but shouldnt that be there?  i installed kernel-headers
[03:33] <bob2> dooglus: hm...the '&' "dereferences" it?
[03:33] <n3t0> crossover office runs on a amd64?
[03:33] <bob2> harrison: you didn't install gcc-3.4
[03:33] <bob2> n3t0: talk to them (unlikely)
[03:33] <apokryphos> using debuild, does "continued value line not in field" normally refer to something specific? Been tinkering over there (on the given line) can't quite figure it out
[03:33] <dooglus> bob2: I don't know of any nice way to explain why 2>&1 is written like that...
[03:33] <harrison> oh god.  am i going to have to do some version pinning bob2?  because i have 4.0.2
[03:33] <bob2> apokryphos: context?
[03:34] <bob2> harrison: of course not; sudo aptitude install gcc-3.4
[03:34] <bob2> harrison: the binary is called gcc-3.4, they do not conflict in any way
[03:34] <harrison> awesome
[03:34] <harrison> thanks
[03:34] <apokryphos> bob2: debuild -nc.. full line: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: syntax error in control file debian/control at line 119: continued value line not in field
[03:36] <sonojacker> crimsun: Do you know about anyone succesfully patching Breezy kernel with preemption (Ingo Molnar's patches)?
[03:36] <hectorman> sonojacker: not me
[03:37] <bob2> apokryphos: does 118 end in a backslash?
[03:37] <crimsun> sonojacker: I don't know of anyone who has successfully applied them to Breezy's source
[03:37] <crimsun> sonojacker: there are quite a few hundred rejects
[03:38] <apokryphos> bob2: nope; 118 is empty
[03:38] <bob2> apokryphos: and 119?
[03:39] <apokryphos> bob2: contains purely text; " The maps available in current release include Africa, Asia, Austria,"
[03:39] <apokryphos> (well, and punctuation, bleh)
[03:40] <sonojacker> crimsun: few hudnred rejects? I read about a brasilian team having achieved 32 bits hoary kernels with preemption.
[03:41] <Mostro> ne1 setup Ubuntu on a DELL PowerEdge Server with RAID 5....?
[03:41] <sinned> Guys
[03:41] <sinned> Can someone help me real quick with rhythmnbox?
[03:42] <Madpilot> Mostro: have a look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesServers
[03:42] <Mostro> thx
[03:42] <apokryphos> bob2: nevermind, got it; didn't realise it mattered if 118 (the meant-to-be-blank) didn't have a gap (shoulda guessed... whole description probably does)
[03:42] <apokryphos> coulda sworn I tried that anyhow, but hey
[03:42] <bob2> apokryphos: ah, righ
[03:43] <kairu0> any japanese keyboard users? i cant type any latin characters with my japanese keyboard (even on the login screen)
[03:44] <hectorman> can someone read me?
[03:44] <djm62> sinned: what about rhythmbox?
[03:44] <amias> hectorman, m e
[03:44] <hectorman> thanks
[03:45] <N17R0> Hi what up with those weird characters shown in aterm when using for example the man pages ?
[03:45] <sPYder---> how to create a non-root user????
[03:46] <apokryphos> sPYder---: sudo adduser USER
[03:46] <HrdwrBoB> sPYder---: I think you are asking the wrong question
[03:46] <N17R0> weird aterm characters: http://members.lycos.nl/opslag0004/snapshot8.png
[03:46] <HrdwrBoB> sPYder---: what do you want to achieve
[03:46] <sPYder---> a user that cant access root but can install programs like wine :D
[03:46] <Beryllium> I've gotta hand it to ya, Ubuntu is pretty slick
[03:47] <HrdwrBoB> sPYder---: you should already have one
[03:47] <vader1102> heh I forgot that I am using the mac right now and it wasn't letting me in lo
[03:47] <HrdwrBoB> sPYder---: system->administration-> users and groups will allow you to add more
[03:47] <sPYder---> HrdwrBoB ... can u plz teach me what to input then?
[03:48] <nba_> anybody, sos pls
[03:48] <X3-away> Wow
[03:48] <X3-away> I'm talking to this kid
[03:48] <sinned> djm62, well yesterday after I installed the ati drivers for my video card....I tried to play a song with rhythmbox and for some reason I'm getting the error... "Could not open resource for writing"
[03:48] <X3-away> who's my "friend"
[03:48] <sPYder---> there is but there are many inputs needed.. and i am not sure what to input
[03:48] <X3-away> Who thinks Bill Gates is a mastermind and genius
[03:48] <apokryphos> sPYder---: so you want the user to not be root, but be able to use apt (package manager) -- consequently having to sudo
[03:48] <sPYder---> sorry but i am only 5days old
[03:48] <apokryphos> thanks to the sudo model that's actually possible :)
[03:48] <sPYder---> apokryphos yes
[03:48] <HrdwrBoB> !users
[03:48] <ubotu> HrdwrBoB: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[03:49] <HrdwrBoB> hrm hangon
[03:49] <apokryphos> sPYder---: It needs editing of your sudoer file, though; see man sudoers
[03:49] <nba_> i just unpacked the synaptic package manager
[03:49] <djm62> sinned: that's not to do with video drivers
[03:49] <sinned> well
[03:49] <hectorman> crimsun: I've been trying to build a Kernel for Breezy with realtime-preempt and I'm having problems with the patching. Would it be possible to change the ubuntu patches in order to make them compatible with Ingo's patch?
[03:49] <sinned> it seemed to happen after I installed my video drivers and cedega
[03:49] <ghostdog> how do i reconfigure my ubuntu?
[03:49] <nba_> but was not downloaded all the items
[03:50] <crimsun> hectorman: no.
[03:50] <bob2> ghostdog: to do what?
[03:50] <djm62> sinned: is something clogging up your soundcard?
[03:50] <tritium> ghostdog, which part?
[03:50] <sinned> um
[03:50] <crimsun> hectorman: you cannot apply all of both
[03:50] <sinned> I don't think so...
[03:50] <locomorto> ghostdog: system -> preferences
[03:50] <nba_> can i run my music player now?
[03:50] <sPYder---> apokryphos how to edit then
[03:50] <djm62> some crashed app from cedega
[03:50] <sinned> I tried to kill esd
[03:50] <ghostdog> how do i reconfigure my ubuntu using dpkg command ?
[03:50] <sinned> it wasn't running at the time
[03:50] <crimsun> hectorman: you will have to not apply some of Breezy's patches to apply all of preempt
[03:50] <cat> ghostdog: dpkg-reconfigure
[03:50] <locomorto> ghostdog: what do you want to do?
[03:51] <hectorman> crimsun: would I be missing many of the functionalities of the Ubuntu kernel if I do it as you said?
[03:51] <crimsun> hectorman: possibly
[03:51] <apokryphos> sPYder---: I don't know off the top of my head (never used it, know it's possible); I can search around for a bit :)
[03:51] <ghostdog> i just installed a lan card and i dont know how to detect it ?
[03:51] <HrdwrBoB> ghostdog: what do you mean detect it
[03:52] <sinned> djm62, any idea on what I should do?
[03:52] <HrdwrBoB> ghostdog: odds are it's detected already
[03:52] <apokryphos> sPYder---: mind you, if you're giving them access to the package manager you (generally) might as well give them full sudo. It's not as if they can't break the system with apt :)
[03:52] <ghostdog> the new lan card that i installed in my computer
[03:52] <tritium> ghostdog, does "ifconfig" list eth0, for example?
[03:52] <djm62> sinned: erm, give me a second
[03:52] <sinned> k
[03:52] <tritium> hello bob2, crimsun
[03:53] <bob2> hey tritium
[03:53] <HrdwrBoB> ghostdog: it should be listed in your network configuration
[03:53] <etherealnet06> ok
[03:53] <etherealnet06> elo
[03:53] <ghostdog> ok ill look into it
[03:53] <ghostdog> tnx
[03:53] <etherealnet06> im new in using ubuntu software
[03:53] <hectorman> crimsun: so, would you say that Ubuntu is not a suitable distro for low-latency audio? It would be wonderful to have it combined with the amazing user friendliness of Ubuntu without missing any functionality.
[03:53] <etherealnet06> can anyone pls help me
[03:54] <djm62> sinned: it was working before, and then it stopped working?
[03:54] <cat> etherealnet06: ask
[03:54] <tritium> etherealnet06, please ask your question
[03:54] <HrdwrBoB> hectorman: low latency audio can be used on any distribution
[03:54] <sinned> Yeah djm62
[03:54] <djm62> sinned: and esd is running?
[03:54] <sinned> It might have been caused when I installed xine for totem though
[03:54] <sinned> :/
[03:54] <sinned> Esd is not running when I try and start it
[03:55] <hectorman> HrdwrBoB: using realtime-preempt?
[03:55] <jmg> ubuntu should have JACK by default
[03:55] <etherealnet06> how do you run MU online/ rose online/ gunbound in ubuntu
[03:55] <djm62> sinned: does it happen on a variety of file formats?
[03:55] <jmg> etherealnet06: configure it
[03:55] <etherealnet06> this are all online games
[03:55] <nba_> anybody, sos pls: just installed the synaptic package manager, tried playing my music player but there's an error msg "COUDN'T PARSE PLAYLIST" what shall i do next?
[03:55] <etherealnet06> how
[03:55] <sinned> Yes djm62
[03:55] <etherealnet06> pls help
[03:55] <etherealnet06> me
[03:55] <HrdwrBoB> hectorman: yeah that's just a kernel thing
[03:55] <jmg> etherealnet06: or use one of the audio distributions
[03:55] <jmg> AGNULA
[03:56] <jmg> etherealnet06: i cant help you sorry
[03:56] <jmg> i havent set mine up either
[03:56] <etherealnet06> this is realy my first time using ubuntu OS
[03:56] <hectorman> HrdwrBoB: that kernel thing is what I'm trying to sort out... I already have agnula installed, but I would like to switch to ubuntu
[03:56] <sinned> Hmm djm62 ...I started esd manually and now it works
[03:56] <sinned> For some reason...its having problems starting esd
[03:57] <hectorman> HrdwrBoB: and crimsun just said that is not possible to patch an ubuntu kernel with Ingo's realtime-preempt patch... I was just trying to have the best of both worlds
[03:57] <HrdwrBoB> hectorman: that's quite likely
[03:57] <HrdwrBoB> hectorman: to be honest if you want to do high end audio stuff
[03:57] <HrdwrBoB> you're better off having a dedicated machine for it
[03:58] <djm62> sinned: does this happen from a clean boot?
[03:58] <sinned> Um
[03:58] <hectorman> HrdwrBoB: you are right... I was just trying to give nice Ubuntu a try
[03:58] <sinned> Let me check lol
[03:58] <sinned> Brb
[03:58] <djm62> sinned: don't bother
[03:58] <sinned> lol
[03:58] <sinned> why?
[03:58] <sPYder---> is the username that i made while install ubuntu a root privileged???
[03:58] <sinned> No
[03:59] <Xenguy> !root
[03:59] <ubotu> I guess root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[03:59] <sinned> !root
[03:59] <JakeX> spyder: no.. sudo su yourself..
[03:59] <djm62> sinned: I think you might have had a stray process
[03:59] <tritium> sPYder---, the first user you configured gets sudo priveleges
[03:59] <sinned> Whats that mean?
[03:59] <sinned> lol
[03:59] <sonojacker> HrdwrBob and hectorman: I really think High End Audio production is not against the UI and user experience we are all trying to contribute at Ubuntu! (CC: crimsun)
[03:59] <sPYder---> not root
[03:59] <sPYder---> ?
[03:59] <djm62> from running cedega...not running properly, but not visible
[03:59] <sPYder---> whats the diff?
[03:59] <tritium> no, that user is a sudoer
[03:59] <JakeX> not root, you just get sudo (right to use root account) :P
[03:59] <Arkainium> WOW!  Ubuntu actually put my laptop to sleep.  How do I wake it up now?  :)
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> sonojacker: high end audio requires all sorts of things that are contrary to an averae users requirements
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> Arkainium: open it
[04:00] <tritium> sPYder---, please read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:00] <djm62> sinned: but taking up the sound card, and preventing esd from running
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> Arkainium: or press the sleep button again
[04:00] <sinned> h,,
[04:00] <sinned> Hmm
[04:00] <tritium> like better power supplies, HrdwrBoB ?
[04:00] <sinned> Okay
[04:00] <sPYder---> tritium ok ty
[04:00] <sinned> Thank you djm62
[04:00] <djm62> sinned: are you au fait with the ps command?
[04:00] <sinned> ?
[04:00] <Arkainium> HrdwrBoB, it doesn't have a sleep button.  I put it to sleep by changing /proc/acpi/sleep
[04:00] <sinned> Am I what?
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> Arkainium: haha
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> Arkainium: press the power button
[04:01] <Arkainium> HrdwrBoB, that shuts it down.  :P
[04:01] <djm62> sinned: do you know how to use ps, you might be able to find a culprit
[04:01] <sinned>  sort of
[04:01] <sinned> okay
[04:01] <sonojacker> HrdwrBob, hectorman, crimsun: You are partially right HrdwrBob, but specially if you think about MAC OS X audio production platforms, that do have great UI's (not as good as in Ubuntu's GNOME 2.12 :-) ), we can achieve both.
[04:02] <sonojacker> HrdwrBob: as you said... it is a kernel thingy... ok, lets research on that! if nobody tries, it won't happen.
[04:02] <Arkainium> HrdwrBoB, shouldn't simply pressing a key wake it?
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> sonojacker: there you go
[04:02] <hectorman> sonojacker: I agree
[04:02] <hectorman> HrdwrBoB: here we are going!
[04:03] <sonojacker> HrdwrBob, hectorman, crimsun: Let's say, there we go
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> Arkainium: generally you'll have to hit the wake up button
[04:03] <hectorman> HrdwrBoB: that's why we are looking for some help here...
[04:03] <nba__> sorry dc
[04:03] <Arkainium> HrdwrBoB, so I guess I have to set one of my acpi events to wake it?
[04:03] <sonojacker> HrdwrBob, hectorman, crimsun: I will say I need to be more aware of what crimsun does, specially because I worked hard on some alsa - usb issues that he solved perfectly for Breezy. Congratulations btw.
[04:04] <nba__> can somebody help me with my problem?
[04:04] <nba__> i just posted awhile ago before i was dc
[04:04] <nba__> thanks
[04:05] <djm62> sinned: I could be completely wrong and mad, but I seem to remember something similar happening to me (crummy mplayer)
[04:05] <vader1102> nba_, if they know the answer, they will say so
[04:05] <Entranced> Hello
[04:05] <nba__> ic
[04:05] <sinned> lol
[04:05] <sinned> yeah
[04:05] <djm62> sonojacker: on the other hand, the nice thing about free software is that it's not too difficult or illegal to roll a specialised distro for the job, and keep a general distro on the side...
[04:05] <sinned> I had the same problem with totem
[04:05] <nba__> so nobody know the answer then
[04:05] <sinned> until I started using xine instead of gstreamer
[04:06] <Effect> Evening
[04:06] <sambagirl> how do you restore your workspaces? i cannot see mine anymore just the trash icon in the corner
[04:07] <sonojacker> HrdwrBob, hectorman, djm62: That's fine djm62, but I really appreciate Ubuntu's ideology, and I would suggest a metapackage such as edubuntu, that might apt-get the necessary stuff and might get rid of some other if needed - "audioubuntu"?
[04:07] <djm62> nba__: your question didn't make much sense to me... you've unpacked synaptic and you want to know if you can run a music player?
[04:07] <Entranced> After upgrading my system (Breezy) few mins ago, gdm fails to load (new kernel is a suspect...) I had the same thing happen to me with Sid and I believe it is caused by udevd. Any one knows what may be the problem here ? After numerous dist-upgrades I've never had this issue with Breezy..
[04:07] <HrdwrBoB> sonojacker: that's a worthwhile project
[04:07] <djm62> sonojacker: you know the answer to that one... ;)
[04:08] <nba__> djm62: sorry, i tried playing mp3 with the music player but error said "COULDN'T PARSE PLAYLIST"
[04:08] <sonojacker> HrdwrBob, hectorman, djm62: not much HordwrBob, providing we might for instance, first try to suggest a patched kernel... that would be an excelent first step.  MOTU's already provide LOTS of software for Audio production at Breezy.
[04:09] <Effect> The live cd. Can you install from that after trying it out or do you have to go back and download the install cd if you want to continue to use the OS on the harddrive?
[04:09] <nba__> djm62: where's the problem lies
[04:09] <explore5> hi!
[04:09] <bob2> Effect: the latter
[04:09] <djm62> nba__: on hoary?
[04:09] <Effect> Ah I see. Thanks.
[04:09] <nba__> djm62: yeah
[04:10] <djm62> nba__: has anything else unusual happened?
[04:10] <Effect> With the OS. Is it possible to still view and access Window OS drives and have access to the files or are those drives not visable?
[04:10] <djm62> nba__: any errors popping up apart from that?
[04:10] <hectorman> sonojacker, HrdwrBob, djm62: basically the problem is compatibility of the ubuntu patches with Ingo's realtime-preempt patch... is this possible to sort out?
[04:10] <nba__> djm62: none
[04:10] <nba__> djm62: just that error msg
[04:11] <bob2> Effect: sure
[04:11] <djm62> nba__: and how are you trying to play the files?
[04:11] <crimsun> hectorman: there is no way you can apply all of both
[04:12] <jrattner1> How to I create a new partition on my hardrive
[04:12] <hectorman> crimsun: ok, I'll try to find out which ones are not compatible
[04:12] <jrattner1> so I can store my music on it
[04:12] <nba__> djm62: i open the music player and load playlist from there
[04:13] <nba__> djm62: load playlist from file i mean
[04:13] <djm62> nba__: where did the playlist come from?
[04:14] <nba__> djm62: from my cd coz i just copied it there
[04:14] <Effect> Thanks
[04:15] <LinuxJones> jrattner1, sudo fdisk /dev/hda (if you have 1 hard drive)
[04:15] <vader1102> well night everyone, time for a bath and bed
[04:15] <djm62> nba__ an audio CD or a data CD?
[04:15] <nba__> djm62: data cd
[04:15] <dooglus> I just updated my breezy kernel from 2.6.12-8-386 to 2.6.12-9-386 and the boot sequence and virtual consoles are all black.  removing "vga=773" from the kernel parameters fixed it, but now the virtual consoles have a huge font.
[04:16] <dooglus> can I get the font to be smaller?  what's a good vga= value to use (on a 1024x768 laptop screen)
[04:16] <BlueEagle> dooglus: Are you really going to be using the text-only consoles that much?
[04:17] <dooglus> BlueEagle: I do like to use them, yeah.
[04:17] <djm62> nba__: have you got too many tracks to just reimport the folder with them all in? did you save the playlist from rhythmbox?
[04:17] <nba__> djm62: sorry dc
[04:17] <Agamotto> Some people only need CLI-level access... the blind especially
[04:17] <dooglus> BlueEagle: and it's certainly nice to be able to read the boot-time messages before they scroll off the screen
[04:17] <BlueEagle> dooglus: that's what dmesg is for. :)
[04:17] <BlueEagle> dooglus: Hang on let me get the table.
[04:17] <dooglus> BlueEagle: dmesg doesn't log everything
[04:17] <djm62> nba__: did you save the playlist from rhythmbox?
[04:18] <nba__> djm62: no
[04:18] <cafuego_> dooglus: What video card you got? I use 792 on mine (I think).
[04:18] <ZeroA4> dooglus, There is a table here of the values and resolutions http://portal.suse.com/sdb/en/1999/08/cg_framebuffer.html
[04:18] <BlueEagle> dooglus: Check /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt for different modes available.
[04:18] <Tonio0505> can any body just tell me how i would turn off x sever to install a nvidia driver
[04:18] <BlueEagle> dooglus: provided you have got the linux sources and documentation. :)
[04:18] <djm62> nba__: it might be a different format than rhythmbox takes?
[04:19] <dooglus> cafuego_: it's a crappy SIS thing built into the laptop motherboard
[04:19] <cafuego_> dooglus: aiyee
[04:19] <ZeroA4> 773 = 1024x768x 256 colors
[04:19] <dooglus> BlueEagle: I don't have /usr/src/* - this is a pre-built kernel
[04:19] <Tonio0505> anybody want to answer a probably simple question
[04:19] <djm62> (although it looks like normal .m3u to me, from a quick test)
[04:19] <BlueEagle> dooglus: YOu can install kernel sources.
[04:19] <Agamotto> Tonio0505:  Go ahead
[04:19] <dooglus> ZeroA4: I was using 773 before.  it was nice.  but now it's all black.  black text on a black background?
[04:19] <cafuego_> Tonio0505: Not unless you ask it first. (Was that it?)
[04:20] <nba__> djm62: but the file extension is still .mp3? or does it matter
[04:20] <Tonio0505> how do i turn off x sever to install a nvidia driver
[04:20] <BlueEagle> dooglus: also see http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-5.html
[04:20] <dooglus> Tonio0505: "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop"
[04:20] <nba__> djm62: where can i find this rythmbox?
[04:20] <Tonio0505> is that it
[04:21] <Agamotto> Tonio0505:  Log out, go back to your login screen and choose console login.  Do the nvidia stuff, then startx from the console
[04:21] <cafuego_> Tonio0505: You don't need to turn it off, you install the nvidia stuff (nvidia-glx and linux-restricted-modules) then enable nvidia, logout, hit ctrl-alt-backspace, done.
[04:21] <ZeroA4> dooglus, black may be becose your monitor or your card does not suport the mode the fbdev is using now...
[04:21] <dooglus> ZeroA4: maybe
[04:21] <Agamotto> Tonio0505:  All of these will work, just different approaches.
[04:21] <djm62> nba__: the way rhythmbox works is, you have a load of files in various folders, and you right click on library, and select "add to library" and select the top-level folder, and rhythmbox (which is called Music Player in the menu)
[04:21] <Tonio0505> so install it from the cousole login
[04:21] <Tonio0505> thanks for the help guys
[04:21] <ZeroA4> dooglus, try other modes
[04:22] <cafuego_> Tonio0505 too
[04:22] <djm62> nba__: rhythmbox sorts them out by the ID3 tags, so you can find them by artist, album, and name (or whatever)
[04:22] <nba__> djm62: if i'll do that, can i play my mp3 music already?
[04:23] <djm62> nba__: should be able to (have you enabled universe and installed the plugin?)
[04:24] <BlueEagle> !tell nba__ about restrictedformats
[04:24] <dooglus> ZeroA4: do you think it's at all possible that 15 or 16 bit 1024x768 will work, when 8 bit 1024x768 didn't?
[04:24] <dooglus> ZeroA4: I would guess that 15 or 16 bit is "harder" somehow...
[04:24] <BlueEagle> nba__: Have a look-see at the url ubotu sendt you.
[04:24] <nba__> djm62: i don't know how to do that
[04:24] <djm62> nba__: where are your mp3s?
[04:24] <ZeroA4> dooglus, I dont know... but i wolud give it a try
[04:25] <nba__> djm62: in my disc
[04:25] <djm62> nba__: as in CD or hard disk?
[04:25] <nba__> djm62 cd
[04:25] <BlueEagle> dooglus: Did you have a look at the framebuffer how-to?
[04:26] <djm62> nba__: can you make a folder in your home dir and move them there? select them all, then drag-n-drop
[04:26] <nba__> BlueEagle: thanks
[04:26] <BlueEagle> nba__: np. :) Got me scratching my head too. :)
[04:26] <nba__> djm62: ok i'll try that
[04:26] <daba1> Compact Disc, Hard Disk
[04:27] <djm62> daba1: I wish I could rely on other people using those semantics :-/
[04:27] <nba__> djm62: i can play mp3 then?
[04:28] <HotCool> 
[04:28] <HotCool> ?
[04:28] <djm62> nba__: yeah, if you've done what ubotu said, and then open Music Player right click on Library, and select the directory where you've put the files
[04:28] <Agamotto> HotCool:  what is that?  Hangul?
[04:28] <Xorlev_> /dev/sda1 on /mnt/ntfs type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) (from mount), but mounted it says its a read-only filesystem. /mnt/ntfs is just the old directory, it will be /home once I can make it read/write.
[04:28] <djm62> nba__: then Music Player knows where your files are, and you can click and go :)
[04:29] <nba__> djm62: ok, i'll try that.  thanks a lot!
[04:29] <neighborlee> are there  X font issues in breezy still ? ( http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=67803&page=3 )
[04:30] <djm62> nba__: you'll like it when you see it working (and if you don't, there are plenty of other players...find your favourite)
[04:31] <Rhisc> hi
[04:31] <cafuego_> Xorlev: /mnt/ntfs?
[04:31] <Agamotto> Rhisc:  Hallo
[04:31] <Rhisc> Hello from my new Linux system woot!
[04:31] <Agamotto> Congrats
[04:31] <cafuego_> Xorlev: 'sudo mount -n -o remount,rw /mnt/ntfs' - should that fail, unmount it and run fsck on it.
[04:31] <nomed> hi all
[04:31] <tristanmike> Rhisc, hello
[04:31] <nomed> from what i'm reading ubuntu will and doesn't use xdebconfigurator ... is there any other script that can generate an xorg.conf file for a livecd?
[04:32] <cafuego_> nomed: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:32] <bob2> nomed: it generates it by default...
[04:32] <nomed> i was searching something that doesn't need user interaction ..
[04:33] <cafuego_> nomed: the fbdev X server
[04:33] <Rhisc> does anyone know how to install ati drivers ?
[04:33] <karen> HELP!!! please.  I have a deskjet 812 c printer and it just stopped working.  Shows exclamation mark does that mean it's no longer detecting it? how do i fix?
[04:33] <cafuego_> nome that's SLOW though
[04:33] <bob2> Rhisc: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:33] <nomed> bob2 should i write something in any runlevel scripts?
[04:34] <bob2> nomed: on the livecd? no
[04:34] <Agamotto> karen:  I know this sounds stupid, but have you tried plugging into another USB port?
[04:34] <Rhisc> also... can anyone reccomend a good mud client?
[04:34] <karen> well it was working fine and then it just stopped suddenly.
[04:34] <penguinboy> question....what folder contains my sources list?
[04:34] <wastrel> a mud client?
[04:34] <nomed> bob2 i'm not using tha ubuntu livecd ... as base.
[04:34] <Rhisc> yeah
[04:34] <wastrel> i thought muds were telnet
[04:34] <Agamotto> karen:  What was it doing when it died?
[04:34] <Rhisc> they are
[04:35] <tristanmike> penguinboy, etc/apt/sources.list
[04:35] <wastrel> so you're looking for a telnet client?
[04:35] <penguinboy> thank you
[04:35] <karen> i was trying to print out an envelope
[04:35] <tristanmike> np
[04:35] <Rhisc> yes
[04:35] <bob2> nomed: what?
[04:35] <windex> wastrel, mud clients are optimized for muds and let you do weird things like scripting.
[04:35] <concept10> im about to upgrade to breezy, where does thunderbird archive your email?  (Im about to backup my /home dir)
[04:35] <wastrel> ah :] 
[04:35] <Agamotto> karen:  Unplug it, then plug back in, it may just need a data reset
[04:35] <Tonio0505> back with the same problem, any one want to help me install a nvidia driver
[04:36] <karen> Agamotto-- i guess i clicked and clicked so now i have 40 prints waiting and can't cancel them for some reaosn
[04:36] <karen> reason
[04:36] <bob2> Tonio0505: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:36] <Agamotto> Tonio0505:  That is easy.  Use synpaptic, search for nvidia, install the bits, then do the console bit
[04:36] <bob2> Tonio0505: if you followed anything on the forums, you're probably boned
[04:36] <Rhisc> crap... for some reason I cant select anything in the grub boot loader, its like it dosent detect my keyboard
[04:36] <wastrel> i want people on my LAN to be able to print to my printer - how do i set that up in CUPS?
[04:36] <Agamotto> karen:  Unplug the printer for 60sec, then plug back in
[04:36] <nomed> i mean .. nomed: on the livecd? no <--- is this the same if i'm not using the ubuntu live cd bootup struct .. (casper i think)
[04:37] <supergrover> howdy, just installed colony4 and my vfat partition is mounted readonly.
[04:37] <karen> Agamotto--- i will unplug it and go from there, if you have any other suggestions please email me at krano@ameritech.net.  thanks a bunch
[04:37] <dooglus> BlueEagle: I rebooted, trying "vga=ask", hoping it would allow me to try 790, 791, 792, but it didn't - it offered me a menu of different screen sizes, but none were any use.
[04:37] <supergrover> I can sort my fstab out myself, I just want to know,
[04:37] <bob2> nomed: if your question is "I'm making some random derivative of the livecd and I don't know what I'm doing", you're asking in the wrong place
[04:37] <dooglus> BlueEagle: so now I'm rebooting again, with a bunch of different lilo stanzas...
[04:37] <dooglus> BlueEagle: if that fails, I'll read that fb webpage
[04:38] <supergrover> Is this a design decision? Seems crazy to me.
[04:38] <Knelix> Ugh.
[04:38] <Knelix> I'm having a problem booting...
[04:38] <Knelix> It may not be a specific Ubunto problem.... But it booted so well before from the live CD....
[04:39] <Agamotto> Knelix:  Continue
[04:39] <Knelix> OK...
[04:39] <nomed> bob2, i'm switching from xfree to xorg ... i was using morphix mkxf86config script .. then i've tryed out dexconf + xdebconfigurator ..
[04:39] <bob2> nomed: then #morphix
[04:39] <Knelix> Well, I only have the CD/DVD drive connected.
[04:39] <BlueEagle> dooglus: You are aware that you need to translate it to grub, right?
[04:40] <Knelix> I just got a graphics card and installed and an old monitor to go with it.
[04:40] <wastrel> I'd like to allow ppl on my LAN to print to the USB printer on my ubuntu box, can anyone help with this?
[04:40] <bob2> nomed: if you just want to make a working live cd, base it on ubuntu and strip whatever you don't want
[04:40] <Agamotto> Knelix:  That is your problem.  The bootinstaller needs a volume to mount to
[04:40] <Knelix> Well, I boot up the system and it won't boot the Ubuntu Live CD.
[04:40] <misfit_toy> so did the latest xorg update hose everyone on breezy?
[04:40] <BlueEagle> dooglus: Either that or you'll need to install lilo.
[04:40] <Agamotto> Knelix:  check in the BIOS and see if it is set to allow booting from cdrom
[04:40] <misfit_toy> I'm in CLI right now using bitchx 'cause I have no gui
[04:41] <Knelix> Agamotto: But before I installed the card I tried it without the HDD and it booted up fine.
[04:41] <nba__> djm62: ok, i'll do that
[04:41] <Agamotto> Knelix:  Hmmmm.  Ok, so much for that idea.
[04:41] <bananaman> ok um... this probably gives away my horrific newbieness...but um... how do you uninstall programs? i want to get rid of evolution...
[04:41] <Knelix> Agamotto: I've been fiddling with the BIOS, but I don't even fully understand all its truncated options.
[04:41] <nba__> djm62: thanks again:)
[04:41] <Agamotto> Knelix:  what video card?
[04:42] <misfit_toy> bananaman be careful uninstalling evolution, I've heard bad things about doing that
[04:42] <BlueEagle> bananaman: sudo apt-get remove <programname>
[04:42] <misfit_toy> so did the latest xorg update hose everyone on breezy?
[04:42] <Knelix> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814121181
[04:42] <Agamotto> Knelix:  Summarise for me
[04:42] <dooglus> BlueEagle: I can't get grub to work at all.  I've always used lilo
[04:42] <BlueEagle> bananaman: But be careful as to what you un-install.
[04:42] <bob2> bananaman: why do you want to remove it?
[04:42] <Knelix> An Asus brand Geforce MX4000 128MB.
[04:42] <_n00blar_> Anyone that can recommend a backup application for ubuntu? Mainly I'd be backing up to DvD directories like /etc, /usr, /var, /home and others
[04:42] <BlueEagle> dooglus: Oh, well. Then you should be ok.
[04:43] <dooglus> BlueEagle: I tried 773, 790, 791 and 792.  the first 3 were all black, and the last one was apparently an illegal code.
[04:43] <misfit_toy> can someone post the wget command to get the nvidia drivers ver 7667 and 7174 here please?
[04:43] <pedro> Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape,
[04:43] <pedro> or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla):     que coloco aqui??
[04:43] <BlueEagle> dooglus: ...however getting grub working ain't much brain surgery.
[04:43] <supergrover> Bug #1291: Mounted vfat partition is unreadable for non-root users. Opened 16 Sept 2004. Status: NEW. Ahem.
[04:43] <Knelix> I don't see how the card can be responsible for my woes, but perhaps I should try it with the onboard video just in case.
[04:43] <misfit_toy> no browsing
[04:43] <robotgeek> misfit_toy: lynx
[04:43] <bernhard> Hi there!
[04:43] <supergrover> oops. thought that was not writable. More fool me.
[04:43] <misfit_toy> robotgeek ubuntu has lynx? cool
[04:43] <bob2> pedro: this is an english channel
[04:43] <Agamotto> Knelix:  Ok.  I assume it is a recent card... sounds like either the BIOS is still trying to use on-board video, or the hardware detector just doesn't like your card
[04:43] <misfit_toy> lemme see
[04:44] <bob2> pedro: if you want mozilla, install the mozilla-browser package
[04:44] <tristanmike> Knelix, so it doesn't boot at all, just goes straight into windows?
[04:44] <dooglus> BlueEagle: I originally installed using the hoary install disk.  it installed a grub loader for me which completely screwed the machine - I could no longer boot windows, mandrake or ubuntu after that.  I eventually managed to repair it enough to accept the lilo loader.  i've tried grub again since, but it won't go.
[04:44] <pedro> ok thanks
[04:44] <Knelix> Agamotto: I am getting video on the Monitor.
[04:44] <bernhard> I have a little problem with my monitor's refresh rate.
[04:44] <bernhard> Anyon want to help?
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> !resolution
[04:44] <ubotu> I guess resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> go there :)
[04:44] <Agamotto> Hrmmmm
[04:44] <Knelix> tristanmike: I don't have (ugh) Windoze installed... this is a brand new budget PC just for Ubuntu.
[04:45] <tristanmike> Knelix, oh, ok
[04:45] <dooglus> misfit_toy: the latest breezy update has hosed everything *except* x.org for me - ie. booting and virtual consoles.
[04:45] <BlueEagle> dooglus: 792 shouldn't be an illegal code tbh.
[04:45] <dooglus> misfit_toy: but X itself it fine
[04:45] <Knelix> tristanmike: I have a hard drive, but it is unformated (or rather has old data in HFS+ format)
[04:45] <BlueEagle> dooglus: Hang on, let meg get my breezy settings.
[04:45] <ZeroA4> pedro, Vc ta instalando um plugin, ne ? vc pode fazer instalao automatica sem ter que ficar usando isso... tb pode mudar de canal para o #Ubuntu-pt para podemos falar em portugues
[04:45] <dooglus> BlueEagle: I know.  I got 792 from one of the pages people just pasted.
[04:45] <misfit_toy> dooglus grrrrr
[04:45] <tristanmike> Knelix, yeah, that should be fine...
[04:45] <robotgeek> ZeroA4: #ubuntu-es
[04:45] <bananaman> i want to remove it because i dont use it
[04:46] <bananaman> and it annoys me to have things i dont use
[04:46] <dabaR> bob2: isnt that message, that pedro there had, from when you are installing some app?
[04:46] <Knelix> It boots up and gives me a screen saying "WinFast".
[04:46] <wastrel> anyone for configuring network printing in CUPS?
[04:46] <cafuego_> hmm, sand flavour
[04:46] <bob2> dabaR: hm? which message?
[04:46] <tristanmike> Knelix, already had it to boot the live cd? without a hard-drive, and on the old video card?
[04:46] <Agamotto> Knelix:  Ok, that is the flash screen for the video card
[04:46] <bernhard> I just need to change the refresh rate to something above 60 Hz, the option in the menu doesn't work. Any way to manually adjust it?
[04:46] <dabaR> bob2: input path of your web browser.
[04:46] <cafuego_> Knelix: that would be the VGA bios
[04:47] <BlueEagle> dooglus: apperantly breezy does something magic with initrd :/
[04:47] <Knelix> Then it tells me my CPU, memory, etc... then... Primary master hard disk fail, Primary Slave " fail, Secondary Master " fail.
[04:47] <bob2> dabaR: oh, right
[04:47] <dabaR> Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape,
[04:47] <Agamotto> Knelix:  Sounds right, if you don't have a hd installed
[04:47] <ZeroA4> robotgeek, I was responding pedro... he wrote a line im portuguese... i asked him to go to a portuguese chanel
[04:47] <cafuego_> Knelix: That's not right. is everything plugged in correctly inside?
[04:48] <dooglus> BlueEagle: breezy has been fine for months - it's only the update of about an hour ago which broke my VCs
[04:48] <Pipe> I have a gpg question, anyone up for helping me?
[04:48] <Knelix> cafuego: Well, as far as I can see it is.. I check the IDE connectors, etc... and those seem fine.
[04:48] <supergrover> colony4 sets up a vfat partition as readonly. Bad design or bug? Anyone?
[04:48] <BlueEagle> dooglus: :)
[04:48] <BlueEagle> dooglus: That can happen.
[04:48] <tristanmike> Knelix, you didn't mess around with the jumpers did you?
[04:49] <Knelix> tristanmike: Yes, it booted fine without the card before.
[04:49] <dooglus> BlueEagle: can I see a list of the most recently updated packages anywhere?
[04:49] <concept10> some address a msg to me please (testing IRC in opera)
[04:49] <tristanmike> Knelix, you said you have onboard video? when you installed the card, did you turn the onboard video off?
[04:49] <dooglus> BlueEagle: like, I've forgotten what updates just came though...
[04:49] <benplaut> anyone gotten the latest Opera to work in breezy?
[04:50] <tristanmike> Knelix, in the BIOS?
[04:50] <Knelix> tristanmike: All I did was install the HDD and graphics card. Of course, I had to plug in the HDD to the power and IDE cable, but I've since uninstalled those.
[04:50] <dooglus> benplaut: yes.
[04:50] <Agamotto> concept10:  Can't, channel is currently blocking them
[04:50] <dooglus> benplaut: but I had to use the opera_static one, not the 'breezy' one
[04:50] <Knelix> tristanmike: Well, I tried to... Lemme take a look again... It uses the Phonenix AwardBios v6.00P
[04:51] <tristanmike> Knelix, what did you uninstall exactly?
[04:51] <Knelix> What is an AGP aperture size?
[04:51] <ako> baby boy
[04:52] <dooglus> benplaut: http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/opera/linux/850/final/en/i386/static/opera-static_8.50-20050916.1-qt_en_i386.deb worked for me in breezy
[04:52] <Agamotto> Knelix:  that is the amount of memory that the card is allowed to use... 64meg should be more that sufficient
[04:52] <Knelix> tristanmike: I disconnected the power and IDE cables from the HDD, since I thought it might be causing the problems.
[04:52] <robotgeek> ZeroA4: oh okay, my bad!
[04:52] <tristanmike> Knelix, so there is no hard drive connected to the compter?
[04:53] <Knelix> Agamotto: But this is a 128MB card...
[04:53] <Agamotto> Knelix:  Ok, take it up to 128 then
[04:53] <Knelix> tristanmike: That's right. But, like I said-- It booted fine without one before.
[04:53] <asker> baho mo pepe//
[04:54] <tristanmike> Knelix, the live cd did? and now you're trying to get the live cd to work again, with the new card and no hard drive?
[04:54] <Knelix> I don't see a way to completely disable the onboard video, only change the memory size and clockrate.
[04:54] <sambagirl> how do i recover my workspace?
[04:54] <bernhard> Bohooo, does noone know how to change the refresh rate?
[04:54] <sambagirl> the little thigns are gone from the taskbar
[04:54] <_n00blar_> Has anyone here used BackupPC? I'd like to know if it can backup to dvds before installing it
[04:54] <Knelix> tristanmike: That's right. So, only thing that is different (to my knowledge) is the card.
[04:55] <sambagirl> ubuntu includes 2 web browsers?
[04:56] <Knelix> The computer has a chip inside that says (actually its printed on its heatsink) Winfast, same as the onscreen logo I am presented with.
[04:56] <docles> ive added backports to sources.list, but the packages from backports ( java 1.5... ) is not appearing on synaptic, how can i solve it ?
[04:56] <sambagirl> whta is the other ubuntu channel?
[04:56] <Agamotto> Knelix:  That is your on-board video
[04:56] <tristanmike> Knelix, I didn't know the LiveCD would run without a hard drive, if you have onboard video there must be an option to turn onboard off, the two cards may be conflicting.
[04:57] <Agamotto> Knelix:  Is this an Emachines box, or something else?
[04:57] <mindframe> where can i set module aliases?
[04:57] <helix_> can anyone give me the link to ubuntus multi-universe
[04:57] <Knelix> Agamotto: I built it using a Foxconn barebones with a Sempron 2400+ CPU.
[04:58] <bob2> helix_: why?
[04:58] <Agamotto> Hmmm, ok.  So it isn't a 'fixed' motherboard most likely... Somewhere in the manual for the motherboard, there should be a way to shut off the on-board video
[04:58] <Pipe> I cant sign the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, when I try the gpg --clearsign U*** it asumes I'll be using my main key...the things is Im using a secondary key. How do I clearsign with a secondary key? Anyone? Please?
[04:58] <tristanmike> helix_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto?action=show&redirect=HowToEnableTheMultiverseRepositoryInUbuntu
[04:58] <Knelix> tristanmike: I just started up with the monitor connected to the onboard VGA port and I'm not getting any image at all.
[04:59] <tristanmike> Knelix, no POST?
[04:59] <Knelix> Agamotto: i don't like the manual. It isn't very helpful at all.
[04:59] <bob2> Pipe: please don't be annoying
[04:59] <Knelix> tristanmike: Nothing. No image.
[04:59] <Agamotto> Knelix:  If you have plugged in the other video card, wouldn't you need to plug the monitor into THAT port?
[05:00] <tristanmike> Knelix, but just before, you at least got POST and now nothing?
[05:00] <bob2> Pipe: also, --default-key
[05:00] <helix_> tristanmike, i know how to add them, but what are the links?
[05:00] <helix_> or link repositories?
[05:00] <bob2> helix_: you don't need a "link" to it
[05:00] <bob2> helix_: you just add it to /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:01] <helix_> but whats name of the repository
[05:01] <bob2> helix_: multiverse
[05:01] <robotgeek> Pipe: also this might be useful. http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual.html
[05:01] <Knelix> tristanmike, Agamotto: Yes, of course, I was just testing. Yes, I was getting POST and BIOS access before... I'm thinking it just automatically turns off onboard video signal when there's a graphics card attached.
[05:01] <bob2> helix_: why don't you tell us what you're actually trying to do?
[05:01] <Pipe> thanks
[05:01] <Knelix> Ugh
[05:01] <Agamotto> ahhh, ok.  Rules out the stupid then
[05:01] <Agamotto> You would be amazed at how many people forget to plug the monitor into the new card
[05:01] <kongas> hi
[05:02] <kongas> sino kayo
[05:02] <Knelix> Hehe
[05:02] <Knelix> I don't understand why this is happening.
[05:02] <docles> how do i enable breezy backports ?
[05:03] <Agamotto> It does sound like a conflict
[05:03] <bob2> docles: wtf
[05:03] <Knelix> I'm going to unplug the machine and check all the cables.
[05:03] <bob2> docles: don't be silly
[05:03] <docles> bob2, take it easy, i am new to ubuntu, sorry if im making a dumb question.
[05:03] <tristanmike> Knelix, I suggest taking the card out, rebooting, going into the BIOS, look for an option to turn off the video, shut down, install new card and reboot
[05:03] <helix_> deb http://usr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multi-universe
[05:03] <helix_> is that okay to add?
[05:03] <Linner> hey ya'll
[05:03] <helix_> oops
[05:04] <bob2> docles: breezy isn't released yet
[05:04] <bob2> helix_: no
[05:04] <dabaR> docles: backports are versions of software from an unstable version fo rthe stable version. Breezy *is* the unstable version
[05:04] <Linner> I'm trying very hard to find the page on Ubuntu where you sign the code of conduct... I can't find it for the life of me and I'm a web developer!!!!
[05:04] <snausages> i cant wait for breezy
[05:04] <Linner> Can someone point me to the page?
[05:04] <bob2> Linner: signing it doesn't gain you anything useful
[05:04] <bob2> Linner: it's linked from your home page on launchpad.net
[05:04] <helix_> bob2, can you give me the right one?
[05:04] <Linner> bob2: that's ok...
[05:04] <dabaR> Linner, bob2, why would one sign the code?
[05:05] <docles> dabaR, ok. thanks; sorry for the silly question.
[05:05] <Linner> bob2: my home page?
[05:05] <bob2> docles: no idea
[05:05] <bob2> unless you're uploading packages to ubunt
[05:05] <bob2> u
[05:05] <snausages> bob2, you're very knowledgeable. i need a new NIC and would like to know if you can recommend where i could get a cheap one that'll work with ubuntu out of the box.
[05:05] <bob2> "MIC"?
[05:05] <bob2> microphone?
[05:05] <dabaR> docles: I dont find it bad.
[05:05] <Agamotto> snausages:  Pretty much anything from 3com
[05:05] <bob2> Linner: ...make a launchpad account
[05:05] <Knelix> tristanmike: I just unplugged the card... the heatsink was HOT!
[05:05] <bob2> or NIC?
[05:05] <Linner> it's suggested that one would do this when participating in IRC channels and forums.
[05:05] <bob2> my xterm is fucked in the head
[05:05] <ubuntu> .
[05:05] <snausages> bob2 i said NIC =)
[05:05] <bob2> Linner: it's of no advantage, tho
[05:05] <mindframe> god im killing myself over this bcm4306
[05:05] <snausages> Agamotto they all seem to be over $20 though
[05:05] <bob2> snausages: anything PCI should work
[05:06] <Linner> bob2: and it will automatically make a link there?
[05:06] <guest8> hi
[05:06] <bob2> Linner: ? if you want to sign the CoC (which is pointless), make a launchpad account
[05:06] <Linner> nalioth: hey you :)
[05:06] <dabaR> bob2: the post you addressed to docles was for me?
[05:06] <guest8> ellow.................
[05:06] <nalioth> grrrrrr
[05:06] <Linner> bob2: okey dokey
[05:06] <Linner> thanks
[05:06] <bob2> snausages: realtek tends to be shit, but are cheap
[05:06] <snausages> bob2 i think the one i have is PCI, but it's a crazy tulip thing
[05:06] <tristanmike> helix_, that should be fine, but put a second entry below that one with "-src" after deb on the second one.
[05:06] <Agamotto> snausages:  Yes, and some video cards are selling for over $400.  You also get more features with them :)
[05:06] <bob2> dabaR: er, right
[05:06] <bob2> snausages: that should work fine, too
[05:06] <dabaR> bob2: ok. How come you are swearing so much?
[05:06] <bob2> aside from APIC insnaity
[05:07] <bob2> dabaR: ?
[05:07] <snausages> Agamotto i'm aware... thing is, though, this pc is from 1998 and i don't want to invest too much into it =D
[05:07] <snausages> bob2 i couldnt make it work
[05:07] <carlos> I need some help please!!!! I have no sound my pc is HP4535 can any body help me?
[05:07] <Agamotto> snausages:  Fair enough
[05:07] <snausages> i asked round in the forums but people suggested that it wouldn't work
[05:08] <bob2> the forums people tend to be clueless
[05:08] <bob2> ime
[05:08] <wackymush> anyone want to help me with mp3 support in rhythmbox?
[05:08] <bob2> wackymush: read the faq, then install gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:08] <snausages> bob2 maybe so, but in here it's very hard to get help at times, which is understandable
[05:08] <wackymush> ok. is the faq on ubuntu,.com ?
[05:08] <bob2> wackymush: the one that is in the channel topic
[05:08] <bob2> snausages: I'd try the user list ahead of the forums
[05:09] <wackymush> ok thanks
[05:09] <snausages> i'm sorry, user list?
[05:09] <bob2> snausages: lists.ubuntu.com
[05:09] <snausages> oh thanks
[05:09] <snausages> i'll try that too
[05:10] <mindframe> bob2, feel like helping me out with this wretched wireless card?
[05:10] <Knelix> tristanmike, Agamotto: After unplugging the card and and loading default BIOS settings it's now loading Ubuntu off of the LiveCD.
[05:10] <bob2> not unless you ask a specific question
[05:10] <Mr_Z> Hi, can anyone tell me where to find the official repostories for Ubuntu?
[05:10] <robotgeek_away> mindframe: what does the ndiswrapper wiki say?
[05:10] <mindframe> robotgeek_away, didnt help a bit
[05:10] <robotgeek_away> !tell Mr_Z about repos
[05:10] <Knelix> Can this have anything to do with this being the Preview version LiveCD?
[05:11] <Agamotto> Knelix:  Ok, either a conflict with the two video boards, or the hardware finder on the disc doesn't like your card
[05:11] <bob2> Mr_Z: in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:11] <Agamotto> Knelix:  Possibly, but unlikely
[05:11] <helix_> i am in the need for the repositories that come with java, azureus and mplayer
[05:11] <tristanmike> Knelix, that's good to hear, but my vote is still for the BIOS setting to turn off your onboard. I couldn't tell you what the option might becalled, I tend to stray away from onboard video
[05:11] <helix_> the multiverse dont give me anything
[05:12] <Agamotto> helix_:  Java is direct from Sun, no repository
[05:12] <helix_> Agamotto, once i added some repos to the ubuntu sources.list and installed java and azureus with no problem
[05:12] <helix_> but i forgot them
[05:12] <tristanmike> Ok I'm confused, a lot of people are having trouble with java, I installed it via the "extras" repo, and had no problem, is it no longer there??
[05:13] <Agamotto> Helix_:  Must be the Nerim sites
[05:13] <dabaR> tristanmike: yes.
[05:13] <helix_> tristanmike, can you give me the name of the repo?
[05:13] <tristanmike> dabaR, it's been removed?
[05:13] <Agamotto> Java Run Time, or just Java Script
[05:13] <dabaR> tristanmike: no, they lost it. what do you think?
[05:13] <dePOLL> tristanmike: as are the w32codecs. legal issues..
[05:14] <tristanmike> When did all of this happen?
[05:15] <helix_> well..time to install java manually
[05:15] <helix_> fsck!
[05:15] <cat> enjoy
[05:15] <bob2> yay for people writing free software in proprietary languages
[05:16] <dabaR> bob2: :)
[05:16] <dePOLL> tristanmike: nobody knows. most likely they created some hullabaloo like some emmy award show or stuff and removed tons of packages without us noticing it. oooh, those evil b****!
[05:16] <dabaR> bob2: I think that is cause the software was proprietary at some point.
[05:17] <Agamotto> Time to kill off some legal departments
[05:17] <tristanmike> dePOLL, lol
[05:17] <dabaR> bob2: what are some examples...OOo, Eclipse...what else?
[05:17] <trigger_ph> if anyone can help please...how do u authenticate to a windows PDC on samba? i've edited /etc/cups/printers.conf, particularly the DeviceURI directive, but still can't authenticate properly.
[05:17] <tristanmike> dePOLL, sneaky friggers
[05:18] <wastrel> can anyone help me get IP printing set up so clients on my LAN can print to my ubuntu box?
[05:18] <dabaR> trigger_ph: what document are you following?
[05:18] <dabaR> wastrel: what OS do the clients run?
[05:18] <dePOLL> tristanmike: well, those open source guys.. you never know what they are capable of. or as george would say "if you use open source, the terrorists win". the communists. whatever.. it's not in the repos any more ;)
[05:18] <wastrel> os x & linux
[05:18] <trigger_ph> dabaR: just the conf i'm afraid
[05:18] <bob2> dabaR: azureus was always GPL, afaik
[05:19] <dabaR> trigger_ph: there is a samba wiki page...
[05:19] <tristanmike> OMG I just read through the Java how-to, man that is some BS, I don't understand, since they weren't even endorsed by Ubuntu, right?
[05:20] <Rylie> asdfjhasdlk
[05:20] <Rylie> hey everyone
[05:20] <Knelix2> Hey
[05:20] <trigger_ph> dabaR: DeviceURI smb://<uname>:<passwd>@<host>/<printer_share_name> <-- googled this, but won't work. can I please have the samba wiki page uri?
[05:20] <trigger_ph> dabaR: thanks!
[05:20] <dabaR> trigger_ph: good luck. Hope that helps.
[05:21] <Knelix2> I'm chatting via the PC, so Internet works at least.
[05:21] <Knelix2> Is there any way to choose a screen resolution not listed by the GNOME control panel?
[05:21] <dePOLL> tristanmike: as i understand it it's just a precaution to prevent the repo-guys from getting into *potential* trouble
[05:22] <dePOLL> Knelix2: edit the Xorg.conf
[05:22] <dooglus> is there any documentation for metacity anywhere?  alt-tab has started blacking out windows in an ugly manner...
[05:22] <Knelix2> Hmm.
[05:22] <tristanmike> dePOLL, so what do people do about mp3 now?
[05:23] <Knelix2> Oh, well I'll guess I should worry about that later... lemme go ahead, instal the card and try to boot again...
[05:23] <dabaR> dooglus: what windows? all of them?
[05:23] <wastrel> dabaR, I think i have the cupsd.conf file set up correctly.  but i'm getting an error in the cups error log about resource name "/ipp" being no good
[05:24] <wastrel> i think it's a client configuration problem
[05:24] <dePOLL> tristanmike: dunno. i'm not really into all this legal chitchat..
[05:24] <tristanmike> dePOLL, all i can say is crap! Thanx for the info
[05:24] <dabaR> wastrel: ask Seveas
[05:24] <dooglus> dabaR: here's what happens:  press and hold ALT, then tap and release TAB to switch to the next window.  if I then hold ALT, the window I've switched to is all black.  I can't see its content until I let go of ALT.  this makes it hard to identify whether I'm switching to the right window or not.
[05:25] <dooglus> dabaR: I'm not sure when this started happening, but it's quite recent I think.
[05:25] <Knelix> What is a Video BIOS shadow?
[05:25] <Marxist> when the computer saves the video bios into ram
[05:25] <Belutz> anyone, when i shutdown my ubuntu, it hangs with the message "could not connect to database" i don't know what's wrong
[05:25] <Marxist> for faster access
[05:25] <Marxist> cause rom is usually slower than ram
[05:25] <dabaR> dooglus: isnt there a list of apps in the middle of your screen when you do that?
[05:26] <dePOLL> We are currently engineering other ways to provide these packages that do not suffer from these issues.".
[05:26] <dooglus> dabaR: do you see the same behaviour?
[05:26] <dePOLL> tristanmike: you're welcome. as john dong points out: " ^
[05:26] <Knelix> Marxist: Should I have that enabled if I am running via a card, rather than onboard graphics?
[05:26] <dooglus> dabaR: there is, yes, but I'm used to looking at the window contents, not the names.
[05:26] <wastrel> seveas: i'm trying to set up clients to print to my ubuntu box, but i'm getting an error in my cups error log when i try to print over the network about resource name '/ipp' being no good.  what should i look for?
[05:26] <Marxist> i should be fine without that option
[05:26] <Marxist> it*(
[05:27] <dabaR> dooglus: I ue openbox, so I dont know.
[05:27] <Marxist> i don't think it would be safe to enable that with linux
[05:27] <dooglus> dabaR: oh, ok
[05:27] <Marxist> linux takes over the PC once the bios hands over the hardware
[05:27] <Marxist> takes over when*
[05:28] <misfit_toy> no joy, I guess I'll wait til xorg gets updated in the next 15 minutes or 15 day
[05:29] <misfit_toy> you would think the GUI itself would be kinda important to test, duh.
[05:29] <theblue_> ?
[05:29] <Marxist> ah i give up on correct spelling , i just came from work, I'm tired
[05:29] <misfit_toy> bbl
[05:29] <Knelix> Booting from the CD with the video card!!!
[05:29] <Knelix> What was wrong: I have no idea-- Perhaps a BIOS setting.
[05:30] <Agamotto> Knelix:  Qapla'
[05:30] <dePOLL> Knelix: Yeah what's that for? You admit that you have no idea however the first thing to blame is your poor little BIOS. shame on you!
[05:32] <Knelix> dePOLL: :-P
[05:32] <Knelix> Actually, it was probably something I did... but, no matter...
[05:33] <dePOLL> :)
[05:33] <Agamotto> Just as long as you don't allow the blue smoke out of the case
[05:33] <tristanmike> dePOLL, I think it might be BIOS related cause he can boot with onboard, but not when he installes the card, and he said he didn't shut down the onboard vid, so sounds like a conflict, no?
[05:33] <Knelix> Is the graphics card suppose to get so hot??
[05:33] <Agamotto> It can
[05:34] <dePOLL> Knelix: it is not supposed to, but it may :D
[05:34] <Knelix> dePOLL: I mean, not like I'm running some intensive game... it's just GNOME...
[05:34] <dePOLL> tristanmike: yeah, i had my sleepless nights due too irq-conflicts and stuff too :/ sucks when you have to decide whether you want to use your video  or network card today coz both is not possible.. :)
[05:35] <dePOLL> Knelix: as long as you don't have some very high end card with a broken fan it should be alright
[05:35] <toxicle> hi guys ... my card is not getting an ip from dhcp .. how do i set static ip?
[05:36] <WebLOCH> Hey guys
[05:36] <dabaR> toxicle: you have a router?
[05:36] <toxicle> dabaR: yes i do
[05:36] <WebLOCH> allo dabaR
[05:36] <dabaR> yp WebLOCH.
[05:37] <toxicle> dabaR: it worked fine till i plugged out the cable
[05:37] <wastrel> rehi.  i'm getting this error in /var/log/cups/error_log when i try to print from mac over the LAN to CUPS on ubuntu:   get_printer_attrs: resource name '/ipp' no good!
[05:37] <wastrel> anyone know what to do to fix?
[05:37] <dabaR> toxicle, have you rebooted the hardware?
[05:37] <dePOLL> dabaR: /etc/network/interfaces for setting up your (surprise) interfaces. dhclient for trying to get a new ip via dhcp
[05:37] <ColonelKernel> has anyone here tried a 2.6.13+ kernel on breezy preview?
[05:38] <toxicle> dabaR: yes
[05:38] <toxicle> anyways
[05:38] <toxicle> i want to set a static ip
[05:38] <dabaR> dePOLL: what are you talking about?
[05:38] <sPYder---> where can i get a complete commands for console??? in ubuntu of course
[05:38] <dabaR> toxicle: well. do you use gnome?
[05:38] <toxicle> dabaR: yes i do
[05:38] <toxicle> but only on my desktop
[05:38] <ouroboros> hello
[05:38] <dabaR> sPYder---: complete commands?
[05:38] <toxicle> dabaR: console way?
[05:38] <dePOLL> dabaR: apparently i prefixed my msg with the wrong nick, sry.. concerned toxicle's problem..
[05:39] <dabaR> toxicle: and, would you like this set up with a terminal, or a GUI?
[05:39] <ouroboros> I still need help : ATI All in Wonder Pro, ubuntu hoary, amd64 - need to enable direct rendering
[05:39] <sPYder---> dabaR is there?
[05:39] <toxicle> dabaR: terminal thanks
[05:39] <ouroboros> it's been a week
[05:39] <Knelix> Graphics are still molasas slow.. I guess that means I need drivers.
[05:39] <dabaR> sPYder---: whats that mean?
[05:39] <tomsdimension> hello
[05:39] <sPYder---> commands
[05:39] <ouroboros> ati
[05:39] <tomsdimension> does anybody know if there is a ubuntuguide for breezy?
[05:39] <benkong2> ping
[05:39] <tomsdimension> or where can i find repositories for breezy
[05:40] <toxicle> !repos
[05:40] <ubotu> from memory, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[05:40] <sPYder---> !commands
[05:40] <ubotu> commands is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/
[05:40] <benkong2> wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpdates
[05:40] <dabaR> toxicle: set up something like http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2446 in your /etc/network/interfaces file, to get a static IP.
[05:40] <benkong2> wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes sorry
[05:41] <toxicle> ElBarono_: just do that and reboot?
[05:41] <Knelix> Wow... keyboard media keys work in Ubuntu...
[05:41] <toxicle> dabaR: just do that and reboot?
[05:41] <Knelix> Very nice.
[05:42] <phrizer> Hm, whenever i try and resize the window in totem, the video itself doesnt stretch. Instead it just seems to stop repainting the extra (new) area.
[05:42] <jims> Hello, I just loaded Ubuntu on my laptop last week and learning how to use Linux & Evolution.  Can anyone answer a question about the Address Book?
[05:42] <toxicle> can i "ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.10" ?
[05:42] <dabaR> toxicle: there is no rebooting in linux, pretty much. you turn off then on the interface. sudo ifdown eth0 ; sudo ifup eth0
[05:42] <toxicle> dabaR: ok thanks
[05:42] <dabaR> toxicle: I dont know.
[05:43] <dabaR> jims: it depends on what the question is.
[05:43] <dabaR> phrizer: do you have another movie window open?
[05:43] <ice_1963> you can use killall gnome-panel :0)
[05:43] <jims> I am used to Thunderbird collecting e-mail addresses, but Evolution does not seem to keep them for future use...
[05:43] <Xenguy> iandexter: please turn that off
[05:44] <dabaR> ice_1963: what are you saying?
[05:44] <JDahl> jims, I think you manually have to right click a sender and add it to the address book
[05:44] <dabaR> jims: you can also install thunderbird, even.
[05:44] <jims> JDahl: Thanks! I'll try that...
[05:44] <dabaR> jims: dunno if that is teh right thing to do, tho.
[05:45] <JDahl> dabaR, what do you mean? that's how Evolution does it...
[05:45] <ice_1963> instead of rebooting ok
[05:45] <crimsun> !resolution
[05:45] <ubotu> well, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:45] <jims> dabaR: I was trying to use Evoluiton, becasue I think I can sync with my phone & PDA...
[05:46] <Agamotto> Time to do some analog reading
[05:46] <jims> dabaR: Also, as a newbie, I wanted to keep things as stable as possible before trying to load more programs...
[05:47] <sPYder---> if i am using a root terminal... does it mean that i am using the root acct? / privilege?
[05:47] <tomsdimension> all those repositories are for hoary
[05:47] <tomsdimension> are there some for breezy?
[05:47] <ice_1963> nop lol
[05:47] <bimberi> sPYder---: yes
[05:48] <ice_1963> were
[05:48] <jims> JDahl: That works!  I knew it had to be something simple...
[05:48] <cx22> hello everyone! can someone help me in installing wine? im a newbie in Ubuntu
[05:48] <sPYder---> bimberi acct?
[05:49] <cx22> hello everyone! can someone help me in installing wine? im a newbie in Ubuntu!!!
[05:49] <JDahl> jims, yes, you may or may not like how Evolution works, but it's a decent piece of software
[05:49] <ice_1963> apt-get install wine
[05:49] <crimsun> cx22: enable the universe repository and install wine
[05:49] <cx22> how? and where can i find it?
[05:49] <cx22> i really have no idea here
[05:50] <Sonny_Wertzik> has anyone here succesfully compiled the new MPlayer-1.0pre7try2 with GUI?
[05:50] <ice_1963> better yet install window's :0)
[05:50] <bimberi> sPYder---: it's a root login shell, confirm so with "echo $USER"
[05:50] <crimsun> cx22: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:50] <cx22> i was a windows user. but now im tryin to learn liux
[05:50] <cx22> im gonna check that out... thanks crimsum!
[05:51] <GrannyTux> hey whats up with java
[05:51] <ice_1963> not by installing wine
[05:51] <GrannyTux> filename change?
[05:51] <sPYder---> how can i refresh my gnome panel?
[05:51] <phrizer> dabaR, Nope, no other window
[05:51] <GrannyTux> no get from apt-get and yes souces.list edited
[05:51] <chx> is  there a Sun JRE apt source for breezy?
[05:52] <TTilus> sPYder---: define "refresh"
[05:52] <dabaR> GrannyTux: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[05:52] <TTilus> sPYder---: its always fresh, how come?
[05:52] <ice_1963> if you can do it in window's you can do it in linux
[05:52] <ice_1963> linux rock's
[05:52] <bimberi> no spyder, you don't have to log out to do that :)
[05:52] <TTilus> ice_1963: hang the machine w/ie bug too?
[05:53] <JDahl> I fell for the temptation to upgrade to Breezy and my sound stopped working. I have no clue what to look, because everything appears OK, I can even get gnome sound-server sounds. I just can't get any audio output from regular programs. Any suggestions for bug-hunting?
[05:53] <dabaR> phrizer: I do not think I was talking to you b4.
[05:54] <phrizer> dabaR phrizer: do you have another movie window open?
[05:54] <Turicas> i want to play more than one sound per time...how i can do it? eg: if a music is playing on xmms and i execute "play abc.wav", the sound abc.wav is played AFTER i stop the music on xmms (or the music finishes)
[05:54] <cat> !fasttrack
[05:54] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, cat
[05:54] <TTilus> JDahl: start "regular programs" from console, with verbatim output, if possible, and watch what they say about audio
[05:54] <crimsun> Turicas: are you using Hoary or Breezy?
[05:54] <dabaR> phrizer: then I dont know. what graphics card do you ahve? on board?
[05:54] <Turicas> crakrjak, 5.04
[05:54] <Turicas> ops
[05:54] <Turicas> crimsun, 5.04
[05:54] <TTilus> ubotu: write english?
[05:54] <ubotu> TTilus: I give up, what is it?
[05:55] <crimsun> Turicas: if you're using Turicas, read alsa.opensrc.org about dmix
[05:55] <phrizer> SiS, onboard, it was all working good a week or so ago
[05:55] <GrannyTux> thx
[05:55] <anacaona> hello
[05:55] <Turicas> crimsun, tkz.. :)
[05:55] <anacaona> hey all
[05:55] <TTilus> ubotu: ?!
[05:55] <JDahl> TTilus, I dont get any error messages from mplayer, xmms, totem, cdplayer etc
[05:55] <ubotu> TTilus: Are you smoking crack?
[05:55] <anacaona> need help with groupware on ubuntu
[05:56] <TTilus> JDahl: check mixer, you may have something muted tjsp
[05:56] <Turicas> crimsun, excuse me..can you repeat please?
[05:56] <crimsun> Turicas: if you're using Hoary, read alsa.opensrc.org about dmix
[05:56] <anacaona> i installed both php and egroupware from synaptic but neither work.
[05:56] <TTilus> s/tjsp/oslt  (leaked my nativity)  :D
[05:57] <anacaona> when i go to http://localhost/egroupware (or phpgroupware)/ i get a file not found error.
[05:57] <furic> Why, in nautilus, when i go on my my web servers ftp and select view->Show Hidden Files, i cannot see a .htaccess file in the directory, but on the same computer, connecting to the same server, looking in the same directory, i can see the .htaccess in konqueror?
[05:57] <Echelon-H> what's the console command for ubuntu update manager
[05:57] <JDahl> TTilus, nothing muted either. But I dont wonder why I can suddenly choose between "Intel 82801 (Alsa)" and "Analog Devices (OSS Mixer)"; that's something new I think
[05:58] <furic> On hoary
[05:59] <TTilus> JDahl: check both alsa and oss mixers
[05:59] <JDahl> TTilus, I did that also, with no luck. I think I used Alsa under Hoary, so I guess I should stick with Alsa, right?
[05:59] <TTilus> JDahl: do you have soundcard _and_ embedded sound too?
[06:00] <cafuego_> furic: You'll find that after changing that pref and restarting naultilus, it'll show just fine.
[06:00] <JDahl> TTilus, I have an IBM tp40, god knows what's inside it
[06:00] <TTilus> JDahl: yes, i think, ...
[06:00] <cafuego_> JDahl: 'lspci' knows
[06:00] <TTilus> JDahl: ah, portable, no double sounds then, propably
[06:01] <furic> I have to restart the app just to get it to stop hiding . prefixed files? thats insane.
[06:01] <TTilus> JDahl: try different sound outputs with mplayer (choose from setup)
[06:01] <Sonny_Wertzik> has anyone here succesfully compiled the new MPlayer-1.0pre7try2 with GUI?
[06:02] <furic> Ok, problem, i close and reopen, and its unset the show hidden files setting, so restarting is not only a stupid way to fix it, but it can't possibly work too
[06:02] <JDahl> TTilus, I tried all of those, also without luck - I never had problems with sound before, and the gnome sound is actually working (but I disabled it so it would lock /dev/dsp)
[06:03] <JDahl> *gnome sound server with BELLs etc
[06:04] <TTilus> JDahl: weirdo
[06:04] <dabaR> JDahl: I have a suggestion. wait a sec tho.
[06:04] <wastrel> hi again.  anyone on who can help me configure a mac client to print to CUPS on my ubuntu system? i'm having trouble figuring out the address of the print queue to use...
[06:04] <dabaR> crimsun: is the udev bud fixed?
[06:04] <TTilus> Don't gnome sound use esound?
[06:04] <opteek> anyone know of a possible reason why after shutting down my system properly, and then starting it up again many hours later, the owner and group of my .IceAuthority file where changed to root????
[06:04] <cafuego_> dabar: the x mouse one? yes.,
[06:05] <crimsun> dabaR: as of 14, yes
[06:05] <dabaR> as of 2 pm?
[06:05] <TTilus> wastrel: http://host:port/printers/printername  ?
[06:05] <dabaR> crimsun: oh, the 14 version?
[06:06] <JDahl> TTilus, I enabled all 200 switches in the gnome mixer, and it turned out that Head Phone Jack Sense was unchecked, and for some reason muted my output
[06:06] <dabaR> JDahl: when is the last time you updated the system?
[06:06] <opteek> updating the system is for losers
[06:06] <JDahl> dabaR, a couple of nights ago
[06:06] <TTilus> JDahl: didn't i say to check the mixer  :D
[06:06] <dabaR> JDahl: is it fixed?
[06:06] <opteek> i am running xfree 0.0.4
[06:06] <JDahl> dabaR, yes
[06:06] <wastrel> TTilus, that's the one.  tyvm
[06:06] <JDahl> TTilus, indeed you did :S
[06:06] <cafuego_> 0.0.4?
[06:07] <dabaR> opteek: thank you. Your opinion really matters to me,
[06:07] <nalioth> opteek: it's a common problem (the .ICEauthority)
[06:08] <opteek> nalioth, really? in ubuntu? ive never experienced it before..
[06:08] <nalioth> opteek: just switch consoles, rm it and proceed to login to your gui
[06:08] <TTilus> JDahl: could it be that you have non-multiplexing sound, so if your laptop thinks input is on, then output is off?
[06:08] <enntee> is it wise to update to breezy right now? i'm using hoary-backports as well
[06:08] <el_toro> enntee, works fine for me, but ymmv
[06:09] <enntee> el_toro: good enough for me. apt-get time.
[06:09] <dabaR> HaHa.
[06:09] <dabaR> heh
[06:09] <JDahl> TTilus, that could be... I dont think this audio driver has multiplexing
[06:09] <dooglus> is there anyone here who uses breezy and GNOME?
[06:10] <opteek> many people
[06:10] <el_toro> tons
[06:10] <opteek> the majority
[06:10] <deFrysk> noone want breezy and kde
[06:10] <dooglus> would one of them please tell me how ALT-TAB works for them?  what it shows during the process of doing an ALT-TAB?
[06:10] <cx22> can i ask again?
[06:11] <el_toro> dooglus, it pulls up the nice alt+tab box and switches from app to app for me
[06:11] <ice_1963> i love useing streamtuner and xmms
[06:11] <dooglus> el_toro: if you hold ALT and press TAB over and over, does it show you each window in turn?
[06:12] <JDahl> dooglus, yes
[06:12] <el_toro> dooglus, erm...not quite...it just highlights each window with a black border, it doesn't pull them to the front or anything
[06:12] <opteek> has anyone here tried running mathematica under some sort of emulator?
[06:12] <dooglus> el_toro: I took some pictures of what it does for me.  here I am switching to my 'gaim' window.  I've hit TAB and am still holding alt: http://s89213869.onlinehome.us/Screenshot-67.png
[06:12] <dooglus> and here I am after I let go of ALT: http://s89213869.onlinehome.us/Screenshot-68.png
[06:12] <sri> hi folks.. does anybody have dosbox running under breezy?
[06:13] <sri> I get a segmentation fault
[06:13] <dooglus> el_toro: as you can see, it completely blats the window with black...  this is a bug then?
[06:13] <logical_mark> Hey I have a friend who just tried to book the LIVE version of Ubuntu on his Acer laptop. It is stoping right after the message, uncompressing linux... is it b/c he was using an external firewire cd/dvd rom?
[06:13] <cx22> guys!!! please help me!!! how can i install tar.gz files on my ubuntu?
[06:13] <logical_mark> *book - boot
[06:13] <el_toro> dooglus, got me, i can't reproduce it--just gives me the regular black outline
[06:13] <dooglus> cx22: you can extract a .tar.gz file by running "tar xfz file.tar.gz"
[06:13] <harrison> why cant i insert ndiswrapper module?  it returns with: FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted   (yes i used sudo)
[06:13] <deFrysk> cx22, why would you want to do that ??
[06:14] <sri> tar.gz files are just like zip it's just an archive stuff
[06:14] <dooglus> cx22: you're up-to-date with the breezy updates of a few hours ago?
[06:14] <sri> better question to ask is what do you want to do with it?
[06:14] <opteek> logical_mark, it can be many things
[06:14] <dooglus> ^-- sorry, that was meant for el_toro
[06:14] <opteek> logical_mark, but I would suggest downloading and burning another image
[06:14] <nalioth> !tell cx22 about cli
[06:14] <opteek> logical_mark, perhaps run a checksum before burning
[06:14] <logical_mark> opteek - only a noob a to linux, not diagnosing a problem. I have booted this same cd on 3 computers
[06:14] <el_toro> dooglus, well im not sure what was updated a few hours ago..but afaik yes
[06:15] <dooglus> el_toro: a new kernel, for one.
[06:15] <el_toro> dooglus, ah, yes got those
[06:15] <dooglus> uname -r ==> 2.6.12-9-386
[06:15] <ice_1963> Does ubuntu have xfce4 in it's sources.list?
[06:15] <cafuego_> Wow, shsf is spectacularly buggy.
[06:15] <marius__> hello everyone
[06:15] <deFrysk> ice_1963, yes
[06:15] <logical_mark> opteek, have you heard of a problem booting off a firewire cd drive
[06:16] <BenderNZ> hihi - is today a good day to upgrade from hoary to breezy? (ie is there any major issues in the release packages today)
[06:16] <ice_1963> ok that's good
[06:16] <sri> hmm..looks like dosbox is not a well supported package.
[06:16] <cafuego_> BenderNZ: not as far as I can tell, but tomorrow might be, so why not wait until it's reelased?
[06:16] <opteek> logical_mark, no experience with firewire
[06:16] <dooglus> BenderNZ: today is the worst I've seen breezy at for a while
[06:16] <deFrysk> BenderNZ, no major issues today (on my box that is)
[06:16] <BenderNZ> ick
[06:16] <logical_mark> opteek, thanks anyway.
[06:17] <BenderNZ> I went to apt-get dist-upgrade anyways and got dependancy issues for ubuntu-desktop
[06:17] <BenderNZ> guess I'll wait a bit longer ;(
[06:17] <logical_mark> Has anyone had issues booting ubuntu from a firewire cd/dvd rom drive?
[06:17] <cafuego_> BenderNZ: Yep, that's right.
[06:17] <TTilus> cx22: why would you want to?
[06:18] <vbgunz> hello everyone!
[06:18] <vbgunz> I have severakl quick questions... asking for info more than direction...
[06:18] <hery> hi hello
[06:19] <cx22> i want to install AdobeReader, FlashPlayer and Java environment
[06:19] <hery> this is hero
[06:19] <cx22> can't seem to know how.
[06:19] <cx22> i have totally no idea about ubuntu
[06:19] <hery> can u bemy frend
[06:19] <cafuego_> cx22: i386?
[06:19] <hery> were u fropm
[06:19] <cx22> Ubuntu 5.04 i386
[06:20] <cafuego_> hery: try #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:20] <vbgunz> 1. My grub menu on breezy has many different Ubuntu installs all pointing to different kernels... 2. Is there a way to right click a file and login into it as admin? 3. Why when Breezy starts up all these partition and disk drive windows open?
[06:20] <BenderNZ> cx22: check out the wiki
[06:20] <cafuego_> cx22: Start at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/java
[06:20] <ice_1963> so apt-get and install it
[06:20] <cx22> i've downloaded those files and can't seem to know how to install it
[06:20] <dooglus> aah.  problem solved...  I got rid of the black boxes.  :)
[06:20] <cafuego_> Which files, the .bin ones?
[06:20] <cx22> apt-get wont work
[06:21] <dr_willis> vbgunz, you mean when you login and GNOME starts up... it auto opens some windows.. Like all the usb drives..
[06:21] <cx22> i've already installed wine... thanks to crimsum
[06:21] <dooglus> I ran "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" earlier and that removed the Module section from my xorg.conf.  Putting it back in fixed the problem.
[06:21] <cx22> i'll check the wiki... be back later
[06:22] <vbgunz> yes it opens all the drives...
[06:22] <cafuego_> cx22: Click the JavaPackageBuildNewVersions link.
[06:22] <esac> dance monkey boy, dance
[06:22] <vbgunz> dr_willis... this never happened on Hoary... I just noticed this with Breezy
[06:22] <ice_1963> yeah apt-get install wine
[06:22] <Hendric> i got problem with my RAID drive being detected by ubuntu as 2 separate drives.. how can i mount this RAID drive? (my ubuntu is on an IDE drive and i want to mount my RAID)
[06:22] <kairu0> anyone know which repository quodlibet is in?
[06:22] <logical_mark> Hey if I want to add a drive to fstab so it will be automatocly mounted and the drive is, /dev/hda1 , how do I insert that into fstab?
[06:22] <bur[n] er> dooglus: same thing happened to me awhile back
[06:22] <dr_willis> vbgunz,  thats by designe i think. :P actually I just booted and it DIDENT do it this time.. I think you can close the drive windows and it may rember that. save the session perhaps.
[06:23] <cafuego_> Hendric: Linux doesn't support that sort of software raid.
[06:23] <dooglus> bur[n] er: did you report it?
[06:23] <dooglus> bur[n] er: if not, I will.  it's a bug, right?
[06:23] <Hendric> its not a software raid.. im using promise raid PCI card
[06:23] <bob2> logical_mark: copy an existing line, change the details
[06:23] <JDahl> Nautilus has really become a lot easier to use in Breezy!
[06:23] <bur[n] er> dooglus: all you ;)  I think it's well known, but check bugzilla
[06:23] <cafuego_> Hendric: Yes, that's software raid.
[06:23] <dooglus> all me?
[06:23] <vbgunz> I tried saving the sessions before but haven't tried lately... I just downloaded some updates and maybe that helped... I'll need to check...
[06:23] <cafuego_> Hendric: it sues software in the card's bios and a proprietary windows driver.
[06:23] <bur[n] er> dooglus: it's all you to follow up on reporting ;)
[06:23] <ice_1963> vi /etc/apt/sources.list that's it
[06:24] <bur[n] er> dooglus: in other words, i'm too lazy right now
[06:24] <Hendric> so there's no way i can mount this?
[06:24] <dooglus> bur[n] er: against the xorg-server package?
[06:24] <cafuego_> Hendric: *maybe* promise have a closed-source driver.. check their website...
[06:24] <bur[n] er> dooglus: xserver-xorg rather
[06:24] <dooglus> xserver-xorg I mean
[06:25] <vbgunz> this is a bit annoying... I am new to Linux and appreciate the whole logging into everything with a password... Is there a way to maintain that *but* have the ability to login into a terminal from a folder?
[06:25] <Hendric> another question. is there a way to have a webcam chat on ubuntu? like YM on windows...
[06:25] <bob2> yes
[06:26] <BenderNZ> Hendric: look in Applications > Internet > Gnome Meeting
[06:26] <bob2> vbgunz: "login into a terminal from a folder"?
[06:26] <cafuego_> Hendric: Not until either ym is fixed (the Linux apckage is severaly broken) or gaim-vv is useable.
[06:26] <ice_1963> bob r /u in Debian?
[06:26] <Hendric> gaim-vv?? does it support webcam??
[06:26] <BenderNZ> yes
[06:26] <dooglus> bur[n] er: well, I can't find it, if it is well known.
[06:26] <bob2> ice_1963: I use both, yes
[06:26] <Hendric> OMG.. gonna try dat..
[06:26] <cafuego_> Hendric: No, it WILL support webcams.
[06:26] <vbgunz> yeah... sort of like Command line here... if I right click a folder, within the menu would be "command line here" or something similar
[06:27] <ice_1963> me to lol
[06:27] <cafuego_> Hendric: It's not ready yet.
[06:27] <furic> I think kopete supports msn webcams now (or very soon)
[06:27] <Hendric> ah ok
[06:27] <ice_1963> but sid will do
[06:27] <Hendric> should i find a linux driver for my webcam first? or d program got some generics to that??
[06:28] <esac> i was doing an ubuntu hardware report, and went to upload it and it failed, so it saved it to my desktop and asked me to email it somewhere. i forgot where to email it to. anybody know ?
[06:28] <cafuego_> Hendric: Depends, if it supports v4l it should be fine.
[06:28] <bob2> esac: heh, did you file a bug on anjuta?
[06:29] <vbgunz> its just a biot annoying and much of it is my fault but being new I have to refresh my memory and navigate to a folder through Nautilus... Then I have to launch a terminal and bite the path bit for bit... It would just be simpler if I could command line directly from the folder *if this is possible*
[06:29] <vbgunz> It should be, but I am still a n00b
[06:29] <esac> bob2: yep
[06:29] <bob2> vbgunz: install nautilus-open-terminal
[06:29] <esac> bob2: obviously i figured that the issue was that my project name had spaces in it, but it wasnt very clear as to why
[06:29] <vbgunz> ok apt-get install nautilus-open-terminal
[06:29] <vbgunz> going for it
[06:30] <Hendric> I can't compile a certain XMMS plugin coz it says.. *** The glib-config script installed by GLIB could not be found <-- itried to install all packages related to that on synaptics.. but still got the same error.. how can i fix this?
[06:30] <bur[n] er> bob2: thank you so much... iw as loooking for that package :)
[06:30] <bob2> esac: right, just asking because I somehow ended up getting the bug report
[06:30] <bob2> Hendric: install libglib1.20dev
[06:30] <nalioth> Hendric: you need glib-bleh-dev
[06:30] <nalioth> bob2 to the rescue
[06:31] <esac> bob2: do you do development on anjuta, or do you just reassign as appropriate ?
[06:31] <se1> hi
[06:31] <se1> i'm trying to install skype
[06:31] <se1> but get
[06:31] <se1>    skype: Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3.2) but 3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3 is to be installed
[06:31] <se1> idea?
[06:31] <deFrysk> sel in breezy ?
[06:32] <se1> no 'dpkg -i /tmp/...deb'
[06:32] <Lifetaker> any recommendations on a media player that will handle MOV files?
[06:32] <BenderNZ> totem?
[06:32] <vbgunz> hey bob2, thanks but now what? I don't have it in my right click menu nor can I find it in the Nautilus menus... checking again...
[06:32] <Amaranth> Lifetaker: vlc?
[06:32] <deFrysk> sel is using breezy ?
[06:32] <nalioth> Lifetaker: any of them with libquicktim
[06:32] <bob2> esac: oh, I'm just the default person for (some) bug reports when the "real" authors haven't come forward; it'll have to wait for a MOTU to forward it upstream, I guess
[06:32] <nalioth> libquicktime
[06:32] <bob2> Lifetaker: mplayer
[06:32] <bob2> vbgunz: you may need to log out and in again
[06:32] <esac> MOTU ?
[06:32] <se1> hoary
[06:32] <Lifetaker> okay... I'll start looking at those.. thanks
[06:32] <vbgunz> ok will check... will let you know!
[06:33] <esac> ubotu tell esac about MOTU
[06:33] <deFrysk> libqt3c-mt is installed sel ?
[06:33] <se1> yes
[06:33] <da_bon_bon> ubotu tell da_bon_bon  about MOTU
[06:34] <dabaR> !+msg the bot
[06:34] <ubotu> from memory, msg the bot is please message the bot in private, he accepts private messages from registered nicknames(/msg nickserv help register). In order for everyone to get better help, do not clutter the channel with many !commands, please. /msg ubotu keyword, or especially if you do not know whether some factoid exists.
[06:34] <da_bon_bon> ok. sorry :)
[06:34] <esac> yeah geesh da_bon_bon !
[06:35] <minime-> 0724.17 Johanna: hetkinen!
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[06:35] <minime-> rrh
[06:35] <vbgunz> thanks bob2... it partially worked... for example... I can only access the terminal if I right click a folder in the right pane *but* I do not get the option if I click on a folder in the left pane *tree*
[06:35] <vbgunz> is it possible to get that behaviour?
[06:36] <bob2> vbgunz: don't know, I don't use nautilus
[06:36] <Amaranth> the sidebar is special
[06:36] <vbgunz> what you use?
[06:36] <nalioth> Amaranth: where you been?
[06:36] <bob2> my shell almost exclusively
[06:36] <Amaranth> nalioth: college
[06:36] <Hendric> apt-cache search glib <-- says i have glib installed... but why did i get this error: glib-config not found ???
[06:36] <bob2> Hendric: because you didn't install libglib1.2-dev
[06:37] <nalioth> Hendric: you need the dev package of glib installed
[06:37] <cafuego_> !spam
[06:37] <ubotu> You can have Spam, spam, spam rat and spam or spam, spam, spam, spam, sausages and spam or rat, spam, spam, spam, eggs and spam or spam, spam spam, spam, spam and spam.
[06:37] <bob2> Hendric: also, apt-cache search says nothing at all about whether you have a package installed
[06:37] <vbgunz> man... thanks for that much but I would really like to see that command on the left menu... :}
[06:37] <bimberi> bloody vikings
[06:37] <dr_willis> "But I dont Like spam!"
[06:37] <dabaR> cafuego_: hehe, where is that from again?
[06:38] <cafuego_> dabaR: monty python
[06:38] <Hendric> ok.. what will i apt-get to install the dev package of glib???
[06:38] <Octane> new amarok version is out, should be in breezy soon -- YAY
[06:38] <cafuego_> Hendric: then you'have have libglib-dev installed.
[06:38] <nalioth> Hendric: bob2 has told you twice
[06:38] <esac> laptop-net uses arp to determine the mapping. what is arp, and how do i tell the arp address to use for it ?
[06:38] <dabaR> Octane: you really think it will be in breezy soon? you mean backports maybe?
[06:38] <Octane> i will pay 50 dollars to whomever can help me solve my OpenOffice problem: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=356488
[06:39] <bob2> esac: arp is how your computer finds out the MAC addresses of machines around it
[06:39] <Hendric> OMG its installing now.. yey!
[06:39] <Hendric> tnx a lot
[06:39] <Octane> dabaR: its an official release, no reason for why it shouldnt be in breezy since breezy's version right now is 1.3.1 and this is 1.3.2
[06:39] <cx22> hey guys! it won't work
[06:39] <Hendric> waaaaa done with libglib-dev but still got the error
[06:39] <crimsun> Octane: it would have to break upstream version freeze to be allowed in
[06:39] <cx22> if i extract the tar.gz files, would it automatically install?
[06:39] <Amaranth> Octane: except that main is frozen
[06:39] <bob2> esac: I guess laptop-net uses it to find out what machines are physically on the network with it, so it knows ehere it is
[06:40] <bob2> Hendric: libglib1.20dev
[06:40] <Hendric> oopss.. its another error.. sorry
[06:40] <esac> bob2: how do i tell what to put in it then ?
[06:40] <crimsun> Octane: we're evaluating if it can be allowed in
[06:40] <cx22> if i extract the tar.gz files, would it automatically install?
[06:40] <Hendric> its gtk now...
[06:40] <Octane> crimsun: ahh i see, lots of bugfixes
[06:40] <bob2> cx22: tar.gz of what?
[06:40] <minime-> cx22: no, it just extracts that tarball
[06:40] <vbgunz> octane why don't you officially pay Ubuntu support line for support? They need it and you need support :)
[06:40] <cx22> if i extract the tar.gz files, would it automatically install the files on it?
[06:40] <nalioth> cx22: no
[06:40] <cx22> java and adobe reader
[06:40] <dabaR> vbgunz: $50?
[06:40] <bob2> Hendric: libgtk1.2-dev
[06:40] <Octane> vbgunz: thats a good idea and i might have to resort to that if i cant get damn openoffice working... i seem to be the only one with this problem
[06:40] <Hendric> wat is the dev package of gtk?? so that i could apt-get it...
[06:40] <deFrysk> cx22, use evince
[06:41] <deFrysk> cx22, iso adobe reader
[06:41] <bob2> Hendric: as above
[06:41] <cx22> i've downloaded those files of adobereader and java on tar.gz files. how can i install it? what do i have to type on command?
[06:41] <Hendric> waw its installing now.. hope i won't get another error
[06:41] <vbgunz> dabar not sure what the support options are but if you're willing to pay they might be the best long term option... not sure of pricing but I think it might be worth it
[06:41] <cx22> deFrysk, where can i download it?
[06:41] <deFrysk> !evince
[06:41] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, deFrysk
[06:42] <deFrysk> oh geez
[06:42] <deFrysk> is it not in hoary ?
[06:42] <bimberi> !info evince
[06:42] <bob2> single-issue support is very cheak
[06:42] <ubotu> evince: (Document (postscript, pdf) viewer), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 0.1.9-0ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 189 kB, Installed size: 788 kB
[06:42] <Hendric> im done! you guys rocks!!!.. tnx so much
[06:42] <cx22> ubuntu 5.04
[06:42] <deFrysk> cx22, read what ubotu said
[06:43] <cx22> k. be back later
[06:43] <nalioth> !tell cx22 about synaptic
[06:43] <deFrysk> !tell cx22 about apt-get
[06:44] <deFrysk> !tell cx22 about repositories
[06:44] <deFrysk> (just in case
[06:44] <bob2> Octane: sudo dpkg -P --force-depends openoffice.org2-core ; sudo apt-get install openoffice.org2-core
[06:44] <se1> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2447
[06:44] <se1>  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2447
[06:44] <Amaranth> se1: Please don't repeat yourself.
[06:44] <Octane> bob2: i have already perged all openoffice related crap, apt-get cleaned everything
[06:45] <Octane> purged*
[06:45] <bob2> Octane: try it, then paste the output of 'dpkg -S /usr/lib/openoffice2/program/javaldx'
[06:45] <bob2> Octane: you're on amd64, yes?
[06:45] <Octane> bob2: OK.
[06:45] <bob2> se1: find a version of skype for your version of ubuntu
[06:46] <Octane> bob2: yes sir i am
[06:47] <bob2> god OO is a pig
[06:47] <deFrysk> sel, try the static tar.bz2
[06:47] <se1> bob2:  it's supposed to be for ubuntu.
[06:47] <dabaR> lol
[06:47] <se1> bob2/defrysk:  how can you see it's not for the right version?
[06:47] <se1> defrysk:  i will
[06:47] <bob2> se1: it's not for your version of ubuntu
[06:47] <bluekey> ubuntu doesnt detect my intel nic
[06:47] <bob2> se1: because it Depends on a version libqt3-mt that is higher than what you have
[06:48] <bob2> Octane: what does "file /usr/lib/openoffice2/program/soffice.bin" print out? also, "file /bin/ls"
[06:48] <se1> bob2:  then why can't i upgrade my qt3-mt lib?!
[06:48] <dabaR> doesnt it depend on a version lower than he has?
[06:48] <bob2> since I have no idea whaat file output for amd64 executables have
[06:49] <Octane> bob2: T minus 7 mins till i get oo2 installed
[06:49] <Octane> [00:49]  dan@dan:~/working$ file /bin/ls
[06:49] <Octane> /bin/ls: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
[06:49] <bob2> se1: not unless you upgrade to breezy
[06:50] <bob2> dabaR: it Depends on 3:3.3.3.2, hoary has 3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3.
[06:50] <bob2> dabaR: the .2 makes it a higher version
[06:50] <bob2> tho that version is ridiculous, anyway
[06:50] <bob2> 3 epichs
[06:50] <se1> bob2:  i believe you, but why / how would i find this out myself?
[06:51] <se1> bob2: sometimes you can apt-get upgrade a package
[06:51] <esac> has anybody tried kde 3.5 yet ?
[06:51] <Kaos`mm-Ezekiel> how easy is it to partition and install ubuntu as a second os?
[06:51] <bob2> Kaos`mm-Ezekiel: very
[06:51] <se1> bob2:  but sometimes somehow you have to upgrade to breeze?
[06:51] <bob2> Kaos`mm-Ezekiel: it even lets you resize existing partitions to make room
[06:51] <Kaos`mm-Ezekiel> is there somewhere that i could read how to do it?
[06:51] <dabaR> bob2: where does it let you do that?
[06:51] <vbgunz> Please help, in Breezy, I have several additions to the grub boot menu. Several more options exist to log into what appears to be different kernels... is this a bug or is it OK and possible to log into Ubuntu with different Kernels?
[06:51] <bob2> se1: I used packages.ubuntu.com to find out what version of tha package existed in breezy
[06:51] <bob2> dabaR: hm?
[06:51] <bob2> vbgunz: it's fine
[06:52] <dabaR> resize partitions.
[06:52] <bob2> vbgunz: you can remove the 2.6.10 ones if you want
[06:52] <bob2> dabaR: in the partitioner stage
[06:52] <cx22> hey guys. stil having problems here
[06:52] <bob2> dabaR: or so I hear, I've never installed ubuntu on a machine with windows on it
[06:52] <Kaos`mm-Ezekiel> is that in the installer?
[06:52] <dabaR> so, manually edit the partition table, and then what?
[06:52] <tritium> dabaR, if you choose the manual partitioning
[06:52] <bob2> Kaos`mm-Ezekiel: yes
[06:52] <Kaos`mm-Ezekiel> cool
[06:52] <vbgunz> ok so leave only the latest ones correct?
[06:52] <dabaR> I guess Ill just try.
[06:52] <cx22> in all that i've read, there was nothing there that would show me how to install a tar.gz file
[06:52] <bob2> vbgunz: 2.6.12, yeah
[06:53] <vbgunz> ok
[06:53] <bob2> cx22: right, because it's ike asking how to install a .zip file
[06:53] <bob2> cx22: it depends on what is inside it
[06:53] <dabaR> tritium: you tried this, or know for a fact?
[06:53] <cafuego_> What are you doing with a tar.gz, didn't you want Java?
[06:53] <cx22> now, how do i run whats on it? theres no .deb file. no .exe files either
[06:53] <tritium> dabaR, yes, I've tried it
[06:53] <tritium> (and know for a fact)
[06:54] <vbgunz> ok did it, thanks bob2
[06:54] <dabaR> ok
[06:54] <cx22> i've extracted the files into another folder. what do i do next?
[06:54] <deFrysk> cx22, what the name of the package ?
[06:54] <cafuego_> cx22: What are you installing?
[06:54] <Hendric> i found this on a forum... "Ubuntu" is an ancient African word, meaning "I can't configure Slackware".
[06:54] <Hendric> lolx
[06:55] <locomorto> na
[06:55] <jadex> Hendric> lol
[06:55] <cx22> AdbeRdr701_linux_enu.tar.gz
[06:55] <locomorto> It means humanity to others
[06:55] <cx22> install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz
[06:55] <cafuego_> Hendric: The funny thing is, that was probably posted by a kid who wasn't even BORN when I ran slackware.
[06:55] <dabaR> Hendric: haha
[06:55] <Hendric> yeah i guess so cafuego
[06:55] <esac> ok my system keeps randomly hanging, just with normal use. are there any steps i can take to figure this out, get it debugged, whatever ?
[06:55] <locomorto> cx22: or you could you use the firefox popup thingy?
[06:55] <cx22> and the one is jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586-rpm.bin
[06:55] <cafuego_> cx22: Both of thsoe have prebuilt packages.
[06:55] <cx22> how?
[06:55] <locomorto> cx22: much easier to install
[06:56] <dabaR> cx22: dont use packages that are not for your particular distribution
[06:56] <dooglus> over 100 bugs have been added to the ubuntu bugzilla in the last 24 hours!
[06:56] <locomorto> cx22: just go to a site that needs flash
[06:56] <cx22> but what is for my particular distribution?
[06:56] <cafuego_> cx22: You downloaded the wrong jre file. You want the one that does NOT have rpm in the filename.
[06:56] <Octane> bob2: okay re-insatlling now
[06:56] <tritium> cx22, please don't advise others to use non-ubuntu packages unless you're willing to provide support when their systems break
[06:56] <locomorto> cx22: and use the magic toolbar
[06:57] <bob2> dooglus: not all bugs block release, fortunately
[06:57] <cafuego_> cx22: There is a jre1.5....bin file. Fetch that. NOT the .rpm.bin
[06:57] <cx22> be back later...
[06:57] <cx22> ok cafuego, i'll go download another file of that type
[06:57] <Hendric> why would i spend more time on slackware if i can get and do what i need with ubuntu...
[06:57] <esac> bob2: sorry to be directing this to you, but you seem like the senior guru here. my system has been freezing. i'll alt tab to another program and then it just hangs. i cant ctrl-alt-f1 or anything. can i turn on logging, tracing, help to get this debugged and solved or what ?
[06:57] <cafuego_> cx22: Whn that's downloaded, install 'java-package' and run it. the wiki is really quite clear.
[06:57] <Octane> [00:57]  dan@dan:~/working/kmplayer-0.9.0c$ file /usr/lib/openoffice2/program/soffice.bin
[06:57] <Octane> /usr/lib/openoffice2/program/soffice.bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
[06:57] <cafuego_> Hendric: Coz it's not leet.
[06:57] <deFrysk> cx22, I think you need to read all of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation before you get totally lost
[06:58] <sugoruyo> hi, can someone tell me if i can the kubuntu dvd as a repo at ubuntu?
[06:58] <Entranced> Any ideas why after the dist-upgrade my system won't get to gdm ? I get an error "blue screen" and X doesn't start ...
[06:58] <cafuego_> sugoruyo: missing a verb
[06:58] <bob2> haha
[06:59] <bob2> go openoffice
[06:59] <Entranced> Breezy system...
[06:59] <sugoruyo> looooooooool
[06:59] <Octane> bob2: here are all the outputs for everything you asked me to do: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2448
[06:59] <Plazgoth> Hello
[06:59] <sugoruyo> sry, i want to add it
[06:59] <a1exey> Hello
[06:59] <Hendric> i need wordstar to be leet... whew
[06:59] <bob2> Entranced: try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and just say yes to everything
[06:59] <sugoruyo> there's my verb
[06:59] <Entranced> thnx bob
[06:59] <cafuego_> sugoruyo: Yeah, apt-cdrom ought to be able to, I think.
[06:59] <JDahl> what devilry is module-assistant? just when I thought I knew make-kpkg Debian invents a new way to build kernel modules...
[06:59] <sugoruyo> how?
[06:59] <Octane> bob2: i see... the openoffice is compiled for intel?
[06:59] <Entranced> bob2, I thought it was the udev thing
[06:59] <Plazgoth> Is there a special channel for super-noobs to ask questions?
[07:00] <tritium> heh, JDahl
[07:00] <jrattner1> How long does it take for Free Cd's to usually ship?
[07:00] <bob2> Entranced: oh, could be
[07:00] <cafuego_> sugoruyo: 'sudo apt-cdrom add'
[07:00] <bob2> Plazgoth: here
[07:00] <bob2> Octane: yeah, I guess OO2 is still not portable to amd64
[07:00] <deFrysk> Plazgoth, you just got to the right place!
[07:00] <bob2> which is suck
[07:00] <Entranced> bob2,  hmmm.. same thing with Sid ...grr
[07:00] <tritium> Entranced, when was the last time you updated?
[07:00] <Plazgoth> OK can the preview release be installed on a fresh system?
[07:00] <Entranced> 4 hours ago...
[07:00] <deFrysk> Plazgoth, yes
[07:00] <cafuego_> bob2: I started #ubuntu-leet
[07:00] <tritium> Yes, Plazgoth
[07:00] <bob2> Octane: where does ia32-libs put it's libraries?
[07:01] <Octane> bob2 then what the hell is ubuntu doing downloading intel packages to an amd64 machine
[07:01] <BlueEagle> jrattner1: That's described on the pages where you order. 4-6 weeks, but now you will have to expect longer delivery times due to the new release. Atleast that's how I understand it.
[07:01] <bob2> cafuego_: lolz!
[07:01] <Plazgoth> Hmmm...I ran into an issue when it got to installing linux-386
[07:01] <Octane> bob2: look, openoffice.org (1) is also a problem
[07:01] <cafuego_> bob2: The amd64 apckages work ok though (chroot etc)
[07:01] <Octane> [01:00]  dan@dan:~/working/kmplayer-0.9.0c$ file /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin
[07:01] <Octane> /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
[07:01] <Plazgoth> It told me to look atbootproto.log
[07:01] <bob2> Octane: OO1 on amd64 was just the i386 package with some shims to make it run under amd64
[07:01] <Octane> cafuego_: my chroot is 32bit
[07:01] <jrattner1> BlueEagle so is it worth it to wait for the CD or should i just download the new release when it comes out?
[07:01] <bob2> Octane: what does "uname -a" print?
[07:01] <sugoruyo> nice thanks cafuego
[07:01] <Entranced> tritium, 4 hours ago...dist-upgrade..the kernel seems to be causing problems..?
[07:01] <Octane> bob2: but i cant get openoffice.org (1) working either
[07:01] <jrattner1> BlueEagle, are there any differences between the two?
[07:01] <Plazgoth> But there was nothing about any error in there
[07:01] <cafuego_> Octane: I run OOo2 without an explicit chroot, it runs fine.
[07:01] <cafuego_> Octane: Mind you, breezy.
[07:01] <Octane> bob2: Linux dan.theidiots.org 2.6.12-8-amd64-generic #1 Thu Sep 15 22:59:26 BST 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[07:02] <tritium> Entranced, not here...which version do you have?
[07:02] <BlueEagle> jrattner1: No more hoary CDs are shipped afaik.
[07:02] <bob2> Octane: do you get the same error when running OO2 now?
[07:02] <Octane> cafuego_: breezy here to
[07:02] <Entranced> Kernel 2.6.12-9
[07:02] <Octane> [01:01]  dan@dan:~$ ooffice2
[07:02] <Entranced> Breezy
[07:02] <Octane> /usr/lib/openoffice2/program/javaldx: error while loading shared libraries: libz.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:02] <Octane> /usr/lib/openoffice2/program/soffice.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libz.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:02] <jrattner1> BlueEagle, I mean for the new release.. Is there any difference between the CD and the download ISO?
[07:02] <BlueEagle> jrattner1: Wether it's worth waiting 4-6 weeks? How am I supposed to answer that? I don't know how much time you've got.
[07:02] <BlueEagle> jrattner1: The iso provided at this time is preview software.
[07:02] <bob2> Octane: hmmm
[07:02] <tritium> Entranced, 2.6.12-9.14 ?
[07:03] <cafuego_> Octane: Mine runs fine (last update 2 hours ago) apart from "javaldx: Could not find a Java Runtime Environment!"
[07:03] <Kaos`mm-Ezekiel> if i set a system restore, try to install ubuntu, partition and mess up, can i restore fully?
[07:03] <Entranced> whatever just came out
[07:03] <bob2> Octane: can you put the output of "dpkg -L ia32-libs" somewhere?
[07:03] <BlueEagle> jrattner1: As far as I know there are no difference between the distributed ISO and the CD.
[07:03] <Octane> cafuego_: im upt o date as well
[07:03] <dr_willis> a windows XP system restore you mean Kaos`mm-Ezekiel ?
[07:03] <Kaos`mm-Ezekiel> yeah
[07:03] <bob2> Kaos`mm-Ezekiel: if you write to the partition table, you've written to the partition table
[07:03] <jrattner1> BlueEagle, alright that all I wanted to know
[07:03] <Kaos`mm-Ezekiel> sorry didnt think
[07:03] <Octane> bob2: http://dan.theidiots.org/etc/ia32.txt
[07:03] <BlueEagle> jrattner1: (apart from the obvious fact that the one is on a physical CD already and the other needs to be burned)
[07:03] <cafuego_> bob2: /lib32 and /usr/lib32
[07:03] <esac> does anybody know how i can help debug my system randomly hanging ?
[07:04] <dr_willis> No.. :P you fail to understand that Linux is its own Operating sstem . it will want its own hard drive/partition.  XP in theory wont see it at all.
[07:04] <Kaos`mm-Ezekiel> the partition isnt the problem
[07:04] <sn0n> anyone here 'approve' orders for shipit ?
[07:04] <Kaos`mm-Ezekiel> its the messing up of the install somehow
[07:04] <cafuego_> But it doesn't contain a libz
[07:04] <bob2> Octane: oh, scandal
[07:04] <bob2> sn0n: they mostly happen automatically
[07:04] <bob2> cafuego_: that seems odd
[07:04] <dr_willis> If the install is done right - XP wont even notice.
[07:04] <Octane> but /usr/lib32 and /usr/lib are in my ld.so.conf
[07:04] <bob2> cafuego_: do you know if it used to?
[07:04] <cafuego_> 'dpkg -L ia32-libs | grep libz' -> nuffin
[07:04] <bob2> libz seems like a pretty basic lib to keep around
[07:04] <sn0n> there isnt people that approve them ? cuz mine says 'Waiting for approval'  (even thou i know breezy cds arent shipping yet)
[07:04] <Kaos`mm-Ezekiel> care to elaborate fn'dr_willis
[07:04] <bob2> sn0n: how many did you order?
[07:04] <Octane> cafuego_: libz is from zlibg package
[07:04] <BlueEagle> esac: How "random" is the hanging?
[07:05] <sn0n> 45 PC (same as last time ) and then 5 - 64bit and 5 ppc
[07:05] <bob2> Octane: OO wants the i386 version of libz
[07:05] <dr_willis> Kaos`mm-Ezekiel,  what more to be said.. when the install is done right.. XP in no way  will be affected.
[07:05] <cafuego_> Octane: The thing is, /usr/lib/openoffice2/program/soffice.bin *should* be a bash shells cript, so it ought to complain about libs *at* *all*
[07:05] <cafuego_> Octane: Did you install the OOO2 i386 or the amd64 apckages?
[07:05] <Kaos`mm-Ezekiel> brilliant, thankyou. just how is right?
[07:05] <esac> BlueEagle: its happened 5 times today. its always doing different things. sometimes an ifconfig in terminal, sometimes alt-tab to another program, sometimes typing up an email
[07:05] <sn0n> i give them away at school.. and people love them..
[07:05] <cafuego_> s/to/not/
[07:05] <Octane> cafuego_: i installed whats in the repos, which is apparently intel
[07:05] <sn0n> cept the one lab aide.. lol..
[07:05] <Plazgoth> I just tried doing a fresh install of Breezy and it failed at doing the linux-386 part. I have an Intel PC. I looked at /target/var/log/bootproto.log but there ws nothing usefull in there. Anyone have any ideas?
[07:06] <sn0n> but the teachers love em , and classmates too
[07:06] <BlueEagle> esac: hoary or breezy?
[07:06] <dr_willis> Kaos`mm-Ezekiel,  depends on your system :P normally the installer for ubuntu handles it all. I perfer to use a seperate hard drive just for linux however.
[07:06] <bob2> Plazgoth: are you sure the cd is ok?
[07:06] <cafuego_> Octane: 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l openoffice.org2'
[07:06] <Kaos`mm-Ezekiel> thanks
[07:06] <esac> BlueEagle: breezy
[07:06] <Plazgoth> I just downloaded it and burned it. Anyway to check?
[07:06] <cafuego_> Octane: What version is it?
[07:06] <BlueEagle> esac: 386 or 686 kernel?
[07:06] <jesusfish> anyone here know how to build a kernel with gcc-4.0?
[07:06] <Madeye> guys, I have problem with to many application, getting similar error like "invalid ELF header" for .so file?
[07:06] <Madeye> any idea?
[07:06] <bob2> Plazgoth: if you boot with "expert" mode, you should be able to select a "verify cd" option or so
[07:07] <jesusfish> or how to fix version magic
[07:07] <cafuego_> jesusfish: Any reason you think that would be a good idea?
[07:07] <bob2> Madeye: is your disk corrupt?
[07:07] <Madeye> bob2,  no
[07:07] <jrattner1> when is breezy's release date?
[07:07] <Plazgoth> How do you boot with expert mode?
[07:07] <cafuego_> jesusfish; Compile your module with gcc 3.4
[07:07] <Octane> cafuego_: nothing listed i dont think... http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2449
[07:07] <esac> BlueEagle: 686-smp
[07:07] <bob2> Madeye: your linker disagrees
[07:07] <deFrysk> jrattner1, check the topic
[07:07] <jesusfish> cafuego: is that how I get rid of version magic errors?
[07:07] <bob2> Plazgoth: type expert and hit enter at the first prompt
[07:07] <cafuego_> jesusfish: yes.
[07:07] <BlueEagle> esac: intel or amd dual processor system?
[07:07] <Octane> jrattner1: /topic
[07:07] <Plazgoth> Ok will try that
[07:08] <cafuego_> Octane: So the package sustem thinks oo2 isn't installed at all!
[07:08] <esac> BlueEagle: Mobile Pentium 4 3.06 GHz HT (not Pentium M)
[07:08] <linner> she's baaa-ack
[07:08] <jrattner1> I dont see it in the topic
[07:08] <Madeye> bob2, how to make sure if it's the disk or the system ?
[07:08] <cafuego_> Octane: So... what package does your '/usr/lib/openoffice2/program/soffice.bin' belong to?
[07:08] <BlueEagle> esac: dual mobile processors? o.O
[07:08] <Octane> cafuego_: openoffice.org2-core or is it -common i believe
[07:08] <bob2> Madeye: try running "debsums" and see if it complains
[07:09] <jrattner1> BreezyUpgrade notes dont say the release date
[07:09] <esac> BlueEagle: well a single pentium 4, HT, but yeah :)
[07:09] <BlueEagle> jrattner1: in IRC type /topic
[07:09] <deFrysk> jrattner1, topic sais tho
[07:09] <Entranced> tritium, I think I have 2.6.12.15 kernel
[07:09] <Octane> cafuego_: openoffice.org2 is just a metapackage
[07:09] <cafuego_> Octane: Hmm. 'sudo apt-get install openoffice.org2'
[07:09] <tritium> Entranced, I don't think so
[07:09] <BlueEagle> esac: Why are you running a smp kernel on a single processor system?
[07:09] <cafuego_> Octane: let it pull in whatever it tinks it needs
[07:09] <cafuego_> BlueEagle: HT
[07:09] <Entranced> tritium, just looked in Synaptic
[07:09] <Octane> cafuego_: youre right some pkgs are missing, but im telling you this is gonna just happen again
[07:09] <jrattner1> Where in the topid
[07:09] <BlueEagle> esac: It might be local apic that bites you, but it would be the first time I heard an intel processor with borked apic.
[07:10] <jrattner1> I dont see it at all
[07:10] <Octane> cafuego_: i just removed some ooo2 packages to help bob2 debug
[07:10] <deFrysk> jrattner1, geez
[07:10] <cafuego_> Octane: I swear, it runs fine here. If you have the same pkgs, it should run fine there too.
[07:10] <bob2> Octane: you should only have removed one, which was reinstalled immediately
[07:10] <BlueEagle> ahh, ofcourse hyper threading processors.
[07:10] <tritium> Entranced, you probably saw linux-image-386, or something
[07:10] <jrattner1> I'm not even kidding
[07:10] <jrattner1> i dont see any date in the entire topic
[07:10] <deFrysk> jrattner1, sorry they took the rel.date out , its oct 13
[07:10] <bob2> BlueEagle: I hear of it happening all the time, especially with via-rhine nics
[07:10] <Hendric> anyone here successfully used YM (for windows) using Wine????
[07:10] <jrattner1> oh sick I wonder if it will have kde 3.5 :)
[07:10] <Octane> cafuego_: here give me 2 mins
[07:11] <Entranced> tritium, yeah
[07:11] <esac> what do i install to compile my own kernel ?
[07:11] <tritium> Entranced, linux-image-2.6.12-9-386 is at 2.6.12-9.14
[07:11] <BlueEagle> bob2: Well, then I'm way off track anyways. Haven't owned an intel processor since... ehh... in a ver long time.
[07:11] <bob2> esac: build-essential and kernel-package and fakeroot
[07:11] <Entranced> tritium, yup
[07:11] <deFrysk> esac, linux-source, build essential ?
[07:11] <tritium> Entranced, hence, not .15
[07:11] <bob2> esac: you don't often need to compile it, tho; the ubuntu one includes basically everything you could want
[07:11] <Entranced> tritium, that is what I have at this point
[07:11] <tritium> ok
[07:11] <Entranced> tritium, it is all weird
[07:11] <tritium> have you rebooted?
[07:11] <Entranced> yup
[07:12] <Entranced> and got the nice blue screen
[07:12] <esac> bob2: for some reason i remember having these random hangs with gentoo, and i compiled something with apm/apic out and it worked, so i just wanted to take a look
[07:12] <Entranced> I had the same thing happen in Sid
[07:12] <tritium> Entranced, can you boot into rescue mode (single user)?
[07:12] <Entranced> I can try
[07:12] <Entranced> the thing it it just doesn't start X
[07:13] <bob2> esac: you can disable apic, lapic and/or acpi without a recompile
[07:13] <jesusfish> cafuego: any idea how to get OSS to build with 3.4?
[07:13] <Octane> cafuego_ back to square 1 :)
[07:13] <tritium> Can you switch to a v.c., Entranced ?
[07:13] <deFrysk> Entranced, did you keep the gdm settings of hoary or used the mainatainer settings of breezy ?
[07:13] <kwolf> Just curious.  are you guys talking about problems installing linux-686
[07:13] <bob2> esac: try noapic, nolapic and acpi=off at the kernel boot line
[07:13] <Octane> cafuego_: openoffice.org2-core 1.9.129-0.1ubuntu1-0ubuntu1
[07:13] <cafuego_> jesusfish: OSS?
[07:13] <esac> bob2: would that just drain my battery really dang fast, or is that something else ?
[07:13] <BlueEagle> esac: Well, that was my thought aswell, but as I said, I've never heard of an intel processor having trouble with apic.
[07:13] <tritium> kwolf, post install
[07:13] <jesusfish> cafuego: ya, sound drivers
[07:13] <Entranced> deFrysk, I used Breezy from the start ie. Colony 3
[07:13] <cafuego_> Octane: Yep, that's the version I have, too.
[07:14] <BlueEagle> esac: or did you mean acpi?
[07:14] <jesusfish> osslinux: version magic '2.6.12 preempt K8 gcc-4.0' should be '2.6.12 preempt K8 gcc
[07:14] <jesusfish> -3.4'
[07:14] <deFrysk> Entranced, and upgraded tu current ?
[07:14] <bob2> esac: disabling acpi could mean your battery runs down quicker, but I doubt the other two options would have a noticable effect
[07:14] <Entranced> yup
[07:14] <cafuego_> jesusfish: The ones in the kernel or the payware ones?
[07:14] <esac> dont remember
[07:14] <esac> bob2: k
[07:14] <kwolf> ic.  I'm having touble installing linux-686 on a system that was dist-upgraded to breezy
[07:14] <jesusfish> cafuego: payware
[07:14] <bob2> jesusfish: what are you trying to compile?
[07:14] <deFrysk> and have a blue sreen ?
[07:14] <BlueEagle> esac: Because broken acpi is more bios dependant. You might want to check for upgrades from your motherboard manufacturer.
[07:14] <jesusfish> cafuego: it was working
[07:14] <deFrysk> sccreen?
[07:14] <Octane> bob2: any more ideas on what i can do or no?
[07:14] <Entranced> I had breezy working for about a week or two with no problems
[07:14] <cafuego_> jesusfish: Probably export CC=gcc-3.4 and then build 'em
[07:14] <jesusfish> bob2: oss modules
[07:14] <bob2> Octane: that is very very odd
[07:14] <tritium> Entranced, I've not seen a blue screen in linux, only windows
[07:14] <Entranced> hehe
[07:14] <jesusfish> cafuego: I did export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4
[07:15] <Entranced> it was the ncurses
[07:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> if my dsl modem functions as a router, does that mean i can't connect a regular wi-fi router to it?
[07:15] <deFrysk> Entranced, if you have a screen of any colour x works
[07:15] <bob2> Octane: but if installing openoffice2.org doesn't get you a working openoffice2, that's a bug
[07:15] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: no
[07:15] <deFrysk> Entranced, oic
[07:15] <sophie_> BROKEN_LADDER: u can cascade routers
[07:15] <Octane> bob2: openoffice.org doesnt work for the same exact reason -- it says i dont have libz.so.1
[07:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> sophie_ the idiots at sbc told me wrong then.  glad i didn't use their stupid cd.
[07:15] <bob2> Octane: I don't know where the i386 libz is supposed to come from, unfortunately
[07:15] <kwolf> does anyone have access to the following package: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-9-686
[07:15] <Octane> [01:15]  dan@dan:~$ whereis libz.so.1
[07:15] <Octane> libz.so: /usr/lib/libz.so.1 /usr/lib/libz.so
[07:15] <Entranced> deFrysk, I had this happen on Debian Sid...and it had something to do with udev there
[07:16] <sophie_> BROKEN_LADDER: its actually a nice way to set up a "safe" lan
[07:16] <bob2> Octane: right, that's the normal amd64 one
[07:16] <marc`> random play in MPlayer is slightly, not random
[07:16] <deFrysk> Entranced, try startudev and killall gdm and then restart gdm
[07:16] <Octane> kwolf: the restricted-modules for .9 havent been updated yet
[07:16] <tritium> kwolf, try updating again.  They came a little after the kernel image
[07:16] <sush> Is here on This server a german ubuntu chat to?
[07:16] <tritium> #ubuntu-de
[07:16] <sush> thx
[07:16] <Entranced> deFrysk, This is the first upgrade that fux0red my X
[07:17] <deFrysk> Entranced, if its udev its easy
[07:17] <Entranced> it's a pain in the a$$
[07:17] <bob2> Octane: I'm doing a but more digging
[07:17] <tritium> kwolf, actually, I see what you mean...they're still unavailable for me too
[07:17] <deFrysk> Entranced,  ctrl-alt-f2
[07:17] <Octane> tritium: i cant upgrade to -9 amd64 restriced modules either ,just yet
[07:17] <se1> thanks for your help bob2 / defrysk
[07:17] <Octane> bob2: thanks so much i really appreciate it. i have gotten no help in #ooo or on ubuntuforums or on bugzilla
[07:17] <se1> static skype works
[07:17] <Plazgoth> What are my options if the install CD fails the integrity check?
[07:17] <tritium> Entranced, if you updated 4 hours ago, you should have the fixed udev
[07:17] <bob2> Octane: which bug # is it?
[07:17] <se1> upgrading to breeze in the meantime
[07:17] <bob2> Plazgoth: reburn it
[07:18] <tritium> That was fixed 2 days ago or so
[07:18] <bob2> Plazgoth: try it at a slower speed
[07:18] <Octane> bob2: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14474
[07:18] <Entranced> hmmm
[07:18] <Octane> bob2: i even emailed the dev who responded
[07:18] <tritium> Octane, probably on their way
[07:18] <damnhil> how can I insert a horizontal line in Kword?
[07:18] <kwolf> Thanks for checking.  this happened the other night when a broken udev made it's wa into breezy.  oh well
[07:18] <Entranced> tritium, It workes with the older kernel no problems
[07:18] <Plazgoth> Thanks bob2 I will try reburning
[07:19] <tritium> Entranced, I think you rebooted into the new kernel, and don't have matching linux-restricted-modules
[07:19] <Entranced> tritium, after the kernel upgrade it seems to be broken
[07:19] <Plazgoth> Just out of curiousity what is the general consensus install Breazy or Hoary?
[07:19] <Entranced> Could be!Q
[07:19] <Plazgoth> Fairly new to linux, and brand new to ubuntu
[07:19] <BlueEagle> plazgoth: Do you want something stable and useful or experimental and potentially frustrating?
[07:20] <deFrysk> Plazgoth, I would go for breezy at this point
[07:20] <Plazgoth> stable and useful
[07:20] <Octane> Plazgoth: did you run a crc check on your cd's?
[07:20] <Entranced> tritium, The following packages have been kept back:
[07:20] <Entranced>   linux-restricted-modules-686
[07:20] <Entranced> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[07:20] <BlueEagle> plazgoth: Then go for the stable release (hoary)
[07:20] <bob2> Octane: is that you following up to the bug report?
[07:20] <Octane> Entranced: im having the same problem on amd64, just wait a while, -9 JUST came out
[07:20] <bob2> Entranced: yeah, they need to be rebuilt every time the kernel is updated
[07:20] <deFrysk> Entranced, do a dist-upgrade
[07:20] <bob2> Entranced: and it hasn';t happened yet
[07:20] <Octane> bob2: no thats not me, I'm Dan Berger, i emailed the dev though
[07:20] <bob2> Octane: ah
[07:20] <Entranced> bob2,  ahhh I see
[07:21] <tritium> Entranced, yes, that's your problem.  You need -9
[07:21] <bob2> Octane: you followed all those steps in the report and it didn't work?
[07:21] <Octane> Entranced & deFrysk dist-upgrade wont work either
[07:21] <Octane> bob2: yes.
[07:21] <Entranced> I know that
[07:21] <Octane> bob2: our problems are slightly different though
[07:21] <Entranced> I did dist-upgrade
[07:21] <Entranced> and it doesn;t work
[07:21] <Plazgoth> Octane I ran the integrity check in expert mode and one of the files in the 'x' directory failed MD5
[07:21] <deFrysk> I just updated my breezy , so better not reboot now I understand ?
[07:21] <Entranced> hehe
[07:21] <tritium> Entranced, it's not available yet
[07:21] <Entranced> guess not
[07:21] <deFrysk> dang :s
[07:21] <Entranced> Kewl
[07:21] <din> gn
[07:21] <Octane> Plazgoth: ya i hate when that shit happens, thats why i only do network installs
[07:22] <Entranced> Now I know what is up!
[07:22] <Octane> ColonelKernel: they don't call you Colonel Kernel for nothing
[07:22] <bob2> Octane: hrm
[07:22] <tritium> deFrysk, yeah, wait until you get l-r-m to match your linux-image
[07:22] <Plazgoth> This is a fresh install, can I install through the network?
[07:22] <Octane> LOL
[07:23] <dr_willis> heh
[07:23] <Octane> Plazgoth: if you have two computers on the same network or access to an FTP/HTTP server yes :)
[07:23] <dr_willis> i saw the same message
[07:23] <deFrysk> tritium, I will
[07:23] <Entranced> tritium,  what is in l-r-m that messes things up ?
[07:23] <cycom> I recompiled my kernel with oldconfig and now my wireless doesn't work.
[07:23] <tritium> Entranced, binary-only drivers like nvidia, ati, etc.  Which video chipset do you have?
[07:23] <Entranced> Nvidia :)
[07:23] <sophie_> tritium: do you work in the nuclear business
[07:23] <Plazgoth> Octane can you point me to some details on how to do it
[07:23] <Octane> brb in ONE second, i need to restart KDE.
[07:23] <tritium> sophie_, no comment
[07:23] <chavo> Hey, I upgraded to breezy, but I don't have the bootsplash. How do I configure it?
[07:24] <Entranced> hehe
[07:24] <dr_willis> I disabled the bootsplash. It was rather ugly
[07:24] <sophie_> tritium: I use Nvidia
[07:24] <Entranced> dr_willis, true that !
[07:24] <tritium> sophie_, okay, are you running breezy?
[07:24] <dr_willis> and I am being NICE :P
[07:24] <chavo> yeah, I'll probably turn it off to, just wandering why it's not on.
[07:24] <sophie_> tritium: I love D20
[07:25] <sophie_> tritium: Nope
[07:25] <tritium> sophie_, heavy water?
[07:25] <tritium> sophie_, then you have no worries
[07:25] <sophie_> tritium: Yep but concenring breezy everything is buit with ggc4 propably the driver issue
[07:25] <bob2> haha
[07:25] <sophie_> tritium: D2O yep
[07:26] <linner> question for ya'll...
[07:26] <tritium> sophie_, it's that the kernel was rebuilt, and now the restricted-modules need to be rebuilt as well
[07:26] <linner> i've just installed ubuntu 5.10... and am having x server problems.. so i'm trying to apt-get the updates
[07:26] <linner> but it doesn't see my internet connection
[07:26] <linner> tried a ping www.google.com and nothing came back
[07:26] <Entranced> ...Well I'll do another dist-upgrade in few hours... hopefully that'll fix it
[07:27] <sophie_> linner: dns problem
[07:27] <tritium> sophie_, why do you love D20, if I may ask?
[07:27] <Entranced> linner, try pinging 4.2.2.1
[07:27] <linner> sophie_, well, i have dual boot on ... and windows sees it just fine
[07:27] <linner> Entranced, ok
[07:27] <sophie_> tritium: it taste exactly the same has water but is heavier
[07:27] <bob2> is tritum in water stable (module tritium's own half-life)?
[07:27] <linner> Entranced, network is unreachable
[07:28] <sophie_> bob2: tritium is a beta (radio active) emeiter
[07:28] <bob2> sophie_: right
[07:28] <bob2> but different isotops sometimes have different chemical properties
[07:28] <Knelix> Downloading the Preview Install CD image....
[07:28] <bob2> e.g. deuterium reacts more slowly
[07:29] <Knelix> Is it easy to install Nvidia drivers with 5.10 Preview?
[07:29] <tritium> Knelix, yes
[07:29] <Knelix> tritium: Good. :-)
[07:29] <sophie_> bob2: actually D20 is stable it has to be activated by a neutron to become tritiated
[07:30] <Plazgoth> How can I found out my MAC address from a shell during install?
[07:30] <bob2> sophie_: yeah, I know
[07:30] <sophie_> Plazgoth: ifconfig
[07:30] <bob2> Octane: do you have libz32 installed?
[07:30] <opteek> Plazgoth, ifconfig
[07:30] <Plazgoth> returns nothinf
[07:30] <bob2> Octane: er, lib32z1
[07:30] <ksmurf> hello all
[07:30] <Plazgoth> I tried to do ifup eth0
[07:30] <opteek> Plazgoth, man ifconfig
[07:30] <sophie_> Plazgoth: than probably no nic configures
[07:31] <SlicerDicer-> anybody able to help me with why all games work except armyops? my othergames are 64bit games but when I try to run 32bit games opengl libs are not found
[07:31] <Octane> bob2: no i do not
[07:31] <opteek> SlicerDicer, what 64 bit games????
[07:31] <Octane> wait yes i do
[07:31] <tritium> hi ksmurf
[07:31] <bob2> Octane: install it
[07:31] <Octane> nono, i do
[07:31] <SlicerDicer-> opteek, all 64bit games work my 32bit ones dont
[07:31] <SlicerDicer-> opteek, whoops I thought I said that haha
[07:31] <tritium> Knelix, you should have gotten a URL from ubotu with info on nvidia
[07:31] <JustSteve> hey if i am downloading Breezy should i get the Preview rel, or download the current daily build?
[07:31] <Octane> bob32: im doing aptitude reinstall
[07:31] <opteek> SlicerDicer, name me some 64 bit games, i mean
[07:32] <ksmurf> is there a way to change the size of uspash on startup.... I can't see the last 3 lines when it's starting.  It's like it's 600x480
[07:32] <tritium> might as well get a daily, JustSteve
[07:32] <SlicerDicer-> opteek, eh? what does it matter my 64bit games work my 32bit dont
[07:32] <Octane> bob2: i think i know the problem!
[07:32] <JustSteve> that's what i was thinking, the preview download stalled on me at 486megs
[07:32] <opteek> SlicerDicer, ive never heard of a 64 bit game is all
[07:32] <tritium> ksmurf, like with vga=792, or something?  unfortunately not
[07:32] <SlicerDicer-> opteek, umm UT2004?
[07:32] <Knelix> tritium: hehe. yes. Took me a little to figure it was the bot. Haha :-P
[07:32] <tritium> :)
[07:32] <SlicerDicer-> opteek, umm quake3?
[07:32] <brodmann> hey, what is the wiki site for ubuntu?
[07:32] <bimberi> wiki.ubuntu.com
[07:33] <brodmann> ah, easy enough, thanks
[07:33] <Octane> BOB!
[07:33] <Octane> LOOK!
[07:33] <Antioch_> How do you restart X without rebooting?
[07:33] <SlicerDicer-> opteek, umm kolf? LOL!!!
[07:33] <SlicerDicer-> opteek, sorry could not help myself there
[07:33] <bimberi> Antioch: log out, then <ctrl><alt><backspace>
[07:33] <bob2> Octane: hm?
[07:33] <Antioch_> bimberi, thanks!
[07:33] <Octane> bob2: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2451
[07:33] <brodmann> this is where I can get help setting up the video drivers and all that jazz?
[07:33] <tritium> Antioch, if you log out, then you can sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[07:33] <opteek> SlicerDicer, thats awesome, im gonna download ut2004 64 now
[07:34] <JustSteve> brodmann check the forums, there's good info for starting out there
[07:34] <lucaas> can someone give me the default kernel line of breezy's menu.lst, messed up mine?
[07:34] <bimberi> tritium: ooh, yes, will recommend that in future
[07:34] <Octane> bob2: /usr/lib/libz.so.1.2.3 VS. /usr/lib32/libz.so.1.2.3
[07:34] <tritium> bimberi, :)
[07:34] <SlicerDicer-> opteek, check icculus.org for the updated executable otherwise you wont be able to download maps from servers
[07:34] <bob2> brodmann: yes, but it's usually so trivial you'll not need help
[07:34] <brodmann> thanks guys
[07:34] <SlicerDicer-> does anybody have any idea why my 64bit games would work and my 32bit games cannot find 32bit opengl libs?
[07:35] <ksmurf> well the uspalsh was a dive .... how about how to bring a wifi card up automatic on startup?
[07:35] <Octane> BOB2
[07:35] <bob2> Octane: try LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib32 /usr/lib/openoffice2/soffice.bin
[07:35] <ksmurf> !usplash
[07:35] <ubotu> well, usplash is in Breezy: sudo apt-get install usplash, for more information see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USplashDiscuss
[07:35] <Octane> I GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:35] <Octane> I GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:35] <bob2> Octane: or whatever the path was
[07:35] <Octane> well, sort of
[07:35] <bob2> Octane: haha, rock
[07:35] <Octane> i did a test
[07:36] <tritium> nice job, Octane
[07:36] <Octane> this is definitely a bug though
[07:36] <Octane> thanks tritium :)
[07:36] <JustSteve> hey brodmann heres a how-to for nvidia and there's an ati driver how-to as well http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368&highlight=nvidia+driver
[07:36] <Octane> i erased the symlink /usr/lib/libz.so.1 and recreated it to point at /usr/lib32/libz.so.1.2.3
[07:36] <Octane> ooo was looking for libz.so.1 in /usr/lib instead of /usr/lib32
[07:37] <SlicerDicer-> does anybody have any idea why my 64bit games would work and my 32bit games cannot find 32bit opengl libs?
[07:37] <bob2> SlicerDicer-: do you have 32-bit opengl libs installed?
[07:37] <tritium> SlicerDicer, you're repeating, dude
[07:37] <bob2> SlicerDicer-: if you're talking about nvidia stuff, you probaly need a 32-bit chroot
[07:37] <Octane> any way to permament tell openoffice to look inside /usr/lib32 and not /usr/lib
[07:38] <bob2> Octane: the command I gave above does that
[07:38] <SlicerDicer-> bob2, I would assume yes beings that later than 6699 or whatever drivers have been included with nvidia drivers
[07:38] <SlicerDicer-> bob2, it was working previous to updating
[07:38] <SlicerDicer-> bob2, chroot is not needed as far as I can see as it was working before
[07:38] <Octane> bob2: thanks so much for all your help
[07:38] <Octane> cafuego_: you too
[07:38] <bob2> Octane: np
[07:38] <bob2> SlicerDicer-: hm, ok
[07:39] <SlicerDicer-> bob2, previous to update it was slow now it does not work at all
[07:39] <esac> dang dist-upgrade taking a long time tonight
[07:40] <Plazgoth> Octane can you point me to some details on how to do a fresh install install from network
[07:40] <BlueEagle> plazgoth: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25269.html
[07:40] <BlueEagle> plazgoth: first hit on google for ubuntu network install
[07:41] <Octane> Plazgoth: see the wiki over at ubuntulinux.org
[07:41] <Knelix> Anybody have an IBM G74 monitor?
[07:41] <Madeye> bob2, debsums generated 11mb txt, lemme grep the failed for you
[07:41] <Knelix> I'm trying to find tech specs for it-- see what the max. res/refresh is.
[07:41] <Plazgoth> Thanks
[07:42] <JDahl> for close to 2 years I have cursed openafs for linux, but the latest version in Breezy just works! building the kernel module, config scripts etc. all automated... hooray!
[07:42] <tritium> JDahl, :)  Did you get module-assistant sorted out?
[07:43] <jkrogh> JDahl: Whats the benefits of AFS?
[07:43] <JDahl> yes, really easy - they packager for openafs makes really good docs
[07:43] <tritium> good deal
[07:43] <esac> what is openafs ?
[07:43] <JDahl> jkrogh, conceptually it's like NFS, just modern, distributed, and safe
[07:44] <jkrogh> like NFSv4?
[07:44] <JDahl> jkrogh, I only know the old NFS
[07:45] <jkrogh> Sometime .. I got to the impression that AFS was not posix-compliant?
[07:45] <JDahl> jkrogh, for several years non-compliance to everything was a pretty good AFS description
[07:45] <jkrogh> Would AFS be a good choise to get filesystem access to my home-server over the internet from $random-place without VPN?
[07:46] <JDahl> jkrogh, that's one of the things AFS is good at
[07:46] <cafuego_> jkrogh: In theory shfs (via fuse) would work too. Damn slow, though.
[07:46] <jkrogh> cafuego_: And a "hack"..
[07:47] <NilXu> first question..  what is the quickest or best way to get extra speed out of an old box running ubuntu?
[07:47] <cafuego_> jkrogh: Yeah. I'd rather X in via an ssh tunnel ;-)
[07:47] <jkrogh> ssh is not designed for that.. if anything else fails. then maybee
[07:47] <cafuego_> NilXu: rail gun
[07:47] <NilXu> it is a pro 200/ 98meg ram
[07:47] <NilXu> good
[07:48] <jkrogh> bob2: if the filesystem protocol takes care of encryption and authentication, what's the problem then?
[07:48] <BlueEagle> nilxu: What are you using it for?
[07:48] <NilXu> how about without embedding it on the face of the moon?
[07:48] <cafuego_> NilXu: it'll be nice and fast right up until the moment of impact ;-)
[07:48] <jkrogh> VPN is conceptually inflexible..  all-or-nothing approach.
[07:48] <NilXu> going to use it for a mail and web server if i can get it to respond well enough
[07:49] <bob2> jkrogh: I'm just antsy about that sort of thing
[07:49] <mkyb14> anyone know how to restart the vnc server ?????  it's not /etc/init.d/vnc restart
[07:49] <mkyb14> ?
[07:49] <cafuego_> jkrogh: A 'little bit' approach would be shitty for a remote homedir too ;-)
[07:49] <TTilus> NilXu: how about fluxbox as desktop, dillo for web and mutt/slrn for mail/news
[07:49] <cafuego_> NilXu: it should be fine, just do a server install and don't run X on it.
[07:49] <jkrogh> I'd just like to have access to /net/$homeserver/home on my laptop anywhere.
[07:49] <BlueEagle> nilxu: Might want to hunt for extra memory chips then. Really depends a lot on how much traffic you are going to handle, but it should be fast enough in theory.
[07:50] <jkrogh> (autofs scheme)
[07:50] <JDahl> jkrogh, I easily get worked up discussing AFS... It's one of those things that are hard to live without once you're used to them
[07:50] <Madeye> bob2,  would you please kindly check http://jadmadi.net/tmp/ it contain two files, failed.txt for failed after debsums and some other prelinked modified
[07:50] <cafuego_> jkrogh: I use the gnome vfs sftp handers, seem fine.
[07:50] <BlueEagle> nilxu: ofcourse if you're on a T1 line and intend to max it out on web and mail traffic then you'll probably not get far with that machine. :)
[07:50] <TTilus> NilXu: before adding extra memory check that your mb supports and, the most importantly, CAN CACHE MORE
[07:50] <NilXu> TTilus: what is flux box?
[07:50] <bob2> yay prelink
[07:50] <TTilus> NilXu: wm
[07:50] <mkyb14> ?
[07:50] <mkyb14> anyone know how to restart the vnc server ?????  it's not /etc/init.d/vnc restart
[07:51] <cafuego_> mkyb14: vncserver --help (it runs as user, you start it by hand)
[07:51] <NilXu> BlueEagle: not on a t1 by any means
[07:51] <BlueEagle> !info fluxbox
[07:51] <mkyb14> that didn't work
[07:51] <ubotu> fluxbox: (Highly configurable and low resource X11 Window manager), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 0.9.11-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 626 kB, Installed size: 1988 kB
[07:52] <TTilus> NilXu: also check that you have dma enabled (and you can tweak with other htparm stuff too)
[07:52] <NilXu> BlueEagle: just starting up a business and would like to run my own web server
[07:52] <TTilus> NilXu: test with readfile or bonnie++
[07:52] <cafuego_> NilXu: if it IONLY runs as server, it will be fine for a low volume web site (maybe a few hits per second) and quite a lot of mail.
[07:53] <cafuego_> NilXu: I used to run a multi-domain vhost system off a P2/300 with 256Mb without any problems.
[07:53] <NilXu> bonnie is a benchmarking prog?
[07:53] <BlueEagle> nilxu: Should be able to handle that.
[07:53] <TTilus> NilXu: y
[07:53] <NilXu> cafuego_: nice
[07:53] <DansFloyd> dont know if anyone can answer this.... how do i use Wine? ive installed it, now how do i use it?
[07:53] <cafuego_> NilXu: If you want to doa  ulti-domain system too, let me dig up a url for you...
[07:54] <dePOLL> DansFloyd: wine winprogram.exe?
[07:54] <TTilus> NilXu: if you use decent caching system in case of running dynamic website your hw will do more than fine
[07:54] <cafuego_> NilXu: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/
[07:54] <DansFloyd> k
[07:54] <NilXu> TTilus: where would i download fluxbox deb?
[07:54] <Knelix> DansFloyd: You pour it in a glass, put it to your lips, tip and drink...
[07:54] <DansFloyd> lol
[07:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> i need help trying to get my router working with a dsl modem that already acts as a router.
[07:54] <DansFloyd> nice
[07:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> what settings should i be using?
[07:55] <cafuego_> NilXu: If the box is just a server, don't bother with fluxbox. It won't need a GUI.
[07:55] <TTilus> NilXu: forget about flux if you are not setting up a desktop system
[07:55] <ak37> does anybody know how I can find w32codecs debs, I can't find it in synaptics anymore
[07:55] <cafuego_> NilXu: just keep in mind a high end content management system might be a bit too much for the machine.
[07:55] <NilXu> cafuego_: ulti-domain?
[07:55] <Knelix> I've never used WINE... only read of it. Does it run at least certain apps well at all at this stage?
[07:55] <TTilus> NilXu: addition... do NOT run X on your webserver
[07:55] <boots> Knelix: heh. sure.
[07:55] <TTilus> NilXu: it only eats up your memory
[07:56] <cafuego_> NilXu: multi-domain (as in: multiple email domains on the same machine, without having unix accounts for all of them)
[07:56] <C0_horny> malang
[07:56] <cafuego_> Knelix: it runs solitaire just great!
[07:56] <NilXu> TTilus: well untill i can get it configured and incase i want to change anything later... cause this is retarted right now
[07:56] <TTilus> NilXu: stay out of Zope-based stuff and you'll do fine
[07:57] <Knelix> cafuego_:Haha!
[07:57] <cafuego_> avoid 'moodle' as well.
[07:57] <i-ubuntu>   /nick linner
[07:57] <i-ubuntu> oops
[07:57] <TTilus> cafuego_: isnt it zope app?
[07:57] <cafuego_> TTilus: Nope, php.
[07:57] <DaSkreech> How do I purge the apt cache?
[07:58] <TTilus> NilXu: believe me, you really don't need X for configuring and maintaining server system
[07:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> if my dsl provider uses pppoe, but my dsl modem/router already does pppoe, i don't need to set up pppoe in my wi-fi router?
[07:58] <cafuego_> DaSkreech: apt-get clean
[07:58] <NilXu> TTilus: i know, also i am getting a startup error abut a general console font?  wehre do i find that to fix it?
[07:59] <TTilus> NilXu: uhh, dunno about that
[07:59] <cafuego_> Great. Now tsclient is busted.
[07:59] <NilXu> TTilus: k, well thanks loads for everything else
[07:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone know anything about networking?
[08:00] <antix> launchpad not working?
[08:00] <boots> NilXu: font problem?
[08:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> do i need to use pppoe in my router AND my dsl modem?
[08:00] <tritium> just your modem, BROKEN_LADDER
[08:01] <fc_> hi
[08:01] <NilXu> boots: "setting up general console font failed"
[08:01] <tritium> hi fc_
[08:01] <NilXu> boots: "font_kernel_font : invalid argument"
[08:01] <boots> NilXu: oooh, not what I thought, sry
[08:01] <NilXu> k no prob
[08:01] <DaSkreech> How do I purge the apt cache?
[08:02] <tritium> DaSkreech, cafuego told you
[08:02] <fc_> hi
[08:02] <DaSkreech> Can I just delete everything in the folder?
[08:02] <DaSkreech> Oh sorry I didn't see
[08:02] <kwolf> n
[08:02] <DaSkreech> Thanks
[08:02] <NilXu> ok well later
[08:02] <tritium> DaSkreech, in /var/cache/apt/archives?  Yes.
[08:03] <jago> hi
[08:03] <Madeye> guys, I have problem with to many application, getting similar error like "invalid ELF header" for .so file?
[08:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> tritium can you think of any reason that my router would show that it can connect to a site, but i'm getting no connection on my computer?  the dsl modem is a router, btw.
[08:03] <DaSkreech> tritium: Thanks
[08:04] <GrannyTux> crap
[08:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> i think i'll give it another try and play with some things.
[08:04] <GrannyTux> whats going on with transcode
[08:04] <GrannyTux> i can install it
[08:04] <tritium> BROKEN_LADDER, too hard to say without more info
[08:04] <GrannyTux> after upgrade
[08:05] <GrannyTux> nut i knew i should not of formated my pc
[08:05] <tritium> if you can install it, what's the problem/
[08:05] <GrannyTux> can't sry
[08:05] <tritium> you upgraded to what?  breezy?
[08:05] <GrannyTux> keep saying its refer by other package transcode-doc
[08:06] <GrannyTux> no i tryed 64 bit then went back to hoary
[08:06] <pablo_> que lindo que lindo festilindo!
[08:06] <CaiN_SA> how do i reinstall grub to the hdd ?
[08:07] <e1vis> ubuntu
[08:08] <e1vis> :-)
[08:08] <ksmurf> !wifi
[08:08] <ubotu> hmm... wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[08:08] <GrannyTux> msg CaiN_SA use your ubuntu cd
[08:09] <SlicerDicer-> anybody find out that some 32bit games just crapped out in 64bit ubuntu?
[08:09] <Plazgoth> Ok I reburned at half the speed and the integrity seems ok now
[08:09] <Plazgoth> The installation got through the CD portion just fine
[08:09] <SlicerDicer-> I just updated ubuntu and all my 32bit games crapped out :/
[08:09] <Plazgoth> But when I rebooted I saw an error "setting up general console font - Failed"
[08:09] <Plazgoth> Is that normal?
[08:09] <bimberi> CaiN_SA: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[08:10] <e1vis> SlicerDicer-: not cool dude
[08:11] <Knelix> Installing Ubunto onto the hard drive now...
[08:12] <CaiN_SA> thx bimberi
[08:13] <bluefoxicy> Somebody help me with openoffice
[08:14] <Madpilot> bluefoxicy: that's a rather open-ended request... got a more specific question?
[08:14] <Knelix> tritium: What was that address again (it timed out on me last time), and how do I get ubotu to get me that sort of info?
[08:14] <tritium> Knelix, what's the info you wanted again?
[08:14] <deFrysk> !tell Knelix about ubotu
[08:15] <Knelix> tritium: On downloading/installing NVidia drivers
[08:15] <tritium> !tell Knelix about nvidia
[08:15] <Knelix> Cool. Thank you guys.
[08:16] <linner> hello again
[08:17] <bluefoxicy> Madpilot:  http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/bluefoxicy/crappyscreen.png Make that picture in the middle http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/bluefoxicy/word_xp_quickguide_1024w.jpg do that
[08:17] <deFrysk> hmz , public away is not done here Kaos`mm-Ezekiel
[08:17] <esac> i did a dist-upgrade which installed the -9 kernel, and X stopped working, and my network stopped working
[08:17] <bluefoxicy> . . . horny
[08:17] <bluefoxicy> XD
[08:17] <GrannyTux> so whats up with this
[08:17] <deFrysk> :D
[08:17] <GrannyTux> rustina@d207-81-90-45:~$ sudo apt-get install transcode
[08:17] <GrannyTux> Reading package lists... Done
[08:17] <GrannyTux> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:17] <GrannyTux> Package transcode is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:17] <GrannyTux> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:17] <GrannyTux> is only available from another source
[08:17] <GrannyTux> However the following packages replace it:
[08:17] <tritium> GrannyTux, don't paste here
[08:17] <GrannyTux>   transcode-doc
[08:17] <GrannyTux> E: Package transcode has no installation candidate
[08:17] <GrannyTux> rustina@d207-81-90-45:~$
[08:17] <esac> GrannyTux: stop
[08:17] <deFrysk> GrannyTux, make sure not to flood please
[08:18] <deFrysk> GrannyTux, there is a ban policy about flooding so be carefull
[08:18] <GrannyTux> opps should have taken out
[08:18] <GrannyTux> sry
[08:18] <tritium> !info transcode
[08:19] <tritium> !info transcode breezy
[08:19] <ubotu> transcode: (Utility to encode raw video/audio streams), section multiverse/x11, is extra. Version: 2:1.0.0-0.4ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 14797 kB, Installed size: 42756 kB
[08:19] <bluefoxicy> maddler:  closed ended enogh
[08:19] <tritium> GrannyTux, transcode is in breezy, but it's in other repos in hoary
[08:20] <GrannyTux> event not found
[08:21] <desplesda> hey everyone, i just upgraded my breezy install and my nvidia driver won't load anymore, is there any news when linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-9-386 is going to be available to install?
[08:21] <Passion> I have a problem that lost brightness on my laptop after resuming.
[08:21] <GrannyTux> so should I add breezy to my sources list
[08:21] <Knelix> I see Ubuntu installs from the CD, then reboots and continues to install... Why is this? Why not just install everything at once?
[08:21] <tritium> desplesda, soon
[08:21] <tritium> GrannyTux, not unless you want to upgrade to breezy
[08:21] <AlexMBas> HrdwrBoB, The RAID 1 install went perfectly fine, thank you very much
[08:21] <Passion> Dose anybody have the same problem?
[08:21] <desplesda> tritium: thanks
[08:22] <Knelix> desplesda: Oh please don't tell me NVidia drivers are not working in 5.10...
[08:22] <bob2> desplesda: should be today
[08:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> can i pay someone ten bucks for a bit of help setting up my router?  i could give it to you via paypal or something.
[08:22] <GrannyTux> mmm maybe i shoud
[08:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> i've got to get this working and i'm exhausted and need sleep.
[08:22] <desplesda> BROKEN_LADDER:  what kind of router?
[08:22] <bob2> Knelix: it's called the development version for a reason
[08:22] <tritium> Knelix, they are, it's just a matter of waiting for an update
[08:22] <aftertaf> the ubuntu packages for nvidia were working the other day too...
[08:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> dlink di 524
[08:22] <Knelix> Ugh... I know, I know...
[08:23] <desplesda> BROKEN_LADDER:  i have a di 624, maybe i can help
[08:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> this same thing happened last time i bought this model of router.  i used the setup system, and it didn't work.  then i couldn't get back to it.
[08:23] <Knelix> It's just that without a driver graphics are gonna suck most likely...
[08:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> desplesda okay, i have a dsl modem/router and the router is behind that.
[08:23] <tritium> aftertaf, don't worry
[08:23] <desplesda> Knelix:  not really, i'm coping just fine with vesa
[08:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> desplesda i went through the wizard but to no avail.  now i can't even plug into the router and get 192.168.0.1
[08:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> i even reset it.
[08:24] <Knelix> desplesda: Okay, cool.
[08:24] <bob2> Knelix: no, they'll be fine, just sans 3d acceleration
[08:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> every time i try to work on my connection, i have to cut of my computer's connection, so i can't get help with this.
[08:24] <Knelix> ok... Does that include the GNOME screensavers?
[08:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> i need someone i can call.
[08:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> to walk me through it.
[08:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> 10 bucks for like 15 minutes of time.
[08:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's 40$/per hour.
[08:25] <desplesda> heh
[08:25] <JDahl> BROKEN_LADDER, what router do you have?
[08:25] <desplesda> i can do that if you like
[08:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> once again, di 524
[08:25] <Plazgoth> OK install worked. Sweet.
[08:25] <desplesda> BROKEN_LADDER, may I /msg you?
[08:25] <JDahl> I wasnt paying attention, but I have a similar model and also several problems
[08:25] <bluefoxicy> http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at3+shtml/023809.shtml?swath  Is that a giant penis?
[08:26] <BROKEN_LADDER> desplesda absolutely
[08:26] <Knelix> Should I try to install the NVidia drivers anyway, or just stick with the VESA driver?
[08:26] <Plazgoth> It's currently at 640x480 how do I change the resolution? When I go to change it I have no other options. I am guessing no driver for my video
[08:27] <JDahl> BROKEN_LADDER, what I did was to change to static IP, that enabled to contact the router and upgrade firmware, but the router still crashes occasionally. All that helps for me (tip from the DI FAQ) is to turn of router and cable modem for at least 2 minutes
[08:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> JDahl so it's a router problem?!
[08:28] <JDahl> BROKEN_LADDER, yes, most definitely
[08:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> JDahl i just bought this thing.  i had problems with the same model last time i bought it but thought it was a fluke.
[08:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> oh jesus.
[08:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can they sell something like that.
[08:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> my gf's 20$ motorola router works fine.
[08:29] <JDahl> I think the FAQ said something like "it sometimes crashes during heavy traffic".. I think they mean IP traffic, and for me it seems depend also on how hot my apartment is (not shit!)...
[08:30] <Knelix> tritium: Good night. :-)
[08:30] <JDahl> night tritium
[08:31] <Passion> ACPI is not stable yet, right?
[08:31] <Knelix> Hmm. Now Ubuntu is downloading packages to install...
[08:32] <Knelix> I must say, this seems like a great Installer.
[08:32] <mehdi> hi
[08:32] <mehdi> have u me
[08:32] <mehdi> ?
[08:32] <mehdi> plz
[08:32] <nalioth> Knelix: apt-get is the best
[08:33] <Knelix> mehdi: Hello. Ask any question you'd like.
[08:33] <nxv_> hi
[08:33] <Plazgoth> How do I add more resolutions? It seems it only has 640x480?
[08:33] <Madpilot> !tell Plazgoth about fixres
[08:33] <Knelix> Uh-Oh... Problems!!!!
[08:34] <JDahl> Isn't it possible to have an optional installation mode that takes care of all the restricted stuff? Isn't it just in the US that's a problem?
[08:34] <Knelix> Ugh
[08:34] <Knelix> Something about not being able to read some block... "Remounting filesystem read-only"...
... And it seemed to be going so well.
[08:35] <esac> make xconfig requires QT. what do I install to get that, or is there something better than make xconfig nowadays ?
[08:35] <Knelix> It happened in "Preparing openoffice.org2-common"
[08:35] <Knelix> I think it's frozen now.
[08:36] <Knelix> Rebooting...
[08:36] <nxv_> i upgraded horay -> breezy during install i had to remove my postgresql and reinstalled it with apt-get. it seems still to run as i can connect to it with psql db_name. but it is not listening on a port anymore. pgadmin3 or my php scripts throw an error asking if there is postgresql running
[08:37] <Mirussa> exp
[08:37] <pitti> nxv_: odd, it should listen; but why did you remove it before?
[08:38] <pitti> nxv_: there should be a clean upgrade path
[08:38] <pitti> nxv_: do you use TCP or unix socket in pgadmin3/php?
[08:39] <Knelix> Damn, maybe I should install the stable version instead...
[08:39] <nalioth> Knelix: bad blocks is bad blocks
[08:40] <grigora> hey folks, does anyone know how to log into a Novell network and gain access to network printers from a Linux workstation? I would really appreciate any advice as I don't feel at all inclined to use Windoze XP. Thanks
[08:40] <NsOmNiAc> <3 Ubuntu
[08:40] <Knelix> nalioth: So what should I do?
[08:40] <d2dchat> is there a GIMP module that can open up and edit pdfs?
[08:40] <geneo93> i installed breezy from cd and it worked ok
[08:40] <d2dchat> or plugin?
[08:40] <bob2> d2dchat: doubt it
[08:40] <NsOmNiAc> d2dchat : nope
[08:40] <cycom> ARG! GPSD!!!!!!! Why must you ruin all my fun?! I run gpsd and my network card dies! GRRRR
[08:40] <bob2> d2dchat: you can convert .pdfs to .ps, tho
[08:40] <d2dchat> is there any linux program that does that?
[08:40] <d2dchat> how?
[08:41] <grigora> d2dchat: pdf2ps?
[08:41] <bob2> pstopdf
[08:41] <nalioth> bob2: how to map bad blocks for Knelix?
[08:41] <esac> make xconfig requires QT. what do I install to get that, or is there something better than make xconfig nowadays ?
[08:41] <volvoguy> gimp can open pdf files.
[08:42] <d2dchat> volvoguy, i just tried, it aint workin;)
[08:42] <bob2> esac: the kernel command-line paramters I suggested did not work?
[08:42] <aftertaf> esac:  gnome has gconfig i think.....
[08:42] <bob2> esac: libqt3-mt-dev and build-essential
[08:42] <bob2> nalioth: modern disks silently remap bad blocks without telling you
[08:42] <volvoguy> d2dchat, well it's in the menu. lemme grab a pdf and try it. :)
[08:42] <bob2> nalioth: if it's started telling you, it means the disk is *really* broken
[08:42] <esac> bob2: nope, i lose my wireless card and X freezes for a couple minutes on start
[08:43] <nalioth> bob2: Knelix had the bad block problem, so i guess he needs more help
[08:43] <_Caleb_> hmmm
[08:43] <nalioth> Knelix: install smartmontools
[08:43] <Knelix> What the system asking me?: Display all 372 possibilities?-- This after concluding that there is a bad block
[08:43] <nalioth> Knelix: on the livdCD please
[08:43] <_Caleb_> with ubuntu and apt-get is it like yum in that you have to setup a conf
[08:43] <bob2> Knelix: I'd just be buying a new disk
[08:43] <bob2> Knelix: you triggerd tab complation
[08:43] <_Caleb_> or is it like emerge and you can just start installing?
[08:43] <NsOmNiAc> WHOAH
[08:43] <NsOmNiAc> 2.2 Gimp does it
[08:43] <NsOmNiAc> just tried it
[08:43] <nalioth> _Caleb_: yum is son of apt-get. apt-get uses a sources.list
[08:44] <d2dchat> NsOmNiAc, Gimp 2.2 opens up pdfs?
[08:44] <NsOmNiAc> YUP
[08:44] <NsOmNiAc> blew me away
[08:44] <Knelix> bob2: What should I tell it? Yes, no? I'm not really sure what it wants to do. And, yeah-- what's funny is that it's my eMac's internal drive (which I recently upgraded).
[08:44] <d2dchat> NsOmNiAc, maybe my version of gimp is old
[08:44] <bob2> _Caleb_: it has a default configuration, yes
[08:44] <bob2> Knelix: q
[08:45] <NsOmNiAc> yeahhh blew me away
[08:45] <NsOmNiAc> it didn't used to
[08:45] <_pir> Helo, I installed "gnome-netstatus" from the synaptic, but I cant find it in the "add applet"...how do I use it?..   I have many x-executable files in the /usr/lib   how do I lunch them?...
[08:45] <volvoguy> d2dchat, it worked for me. i'm using breezy though. gimp 2.2.8 i believe.
[08:45] <_Caleb_> ahh so id assume apt-get is a lil more refined than yum
[08:45] <Knelix> Can I simply mark that block as bad... and move on...?
[08:45] <d2dchat> ah i have 2.2.2
[08:45] <_Caleb_> whats the package name to install xine?
[08:45] <d2dchat> how do i upgrade?
[08:45] <Madeye> bob2,  would you please kindly check http://jadmadi.net/tmp/ it contain two files, failed.txt for failed after debsums and some other prelinked modified
[08:46] <NsOmNiAc> I got 2.2.2
[08:46] <volvoguy> d2dchat, you probably need to upgrade to breezy to get that gimp, and i don't know if i'd recommend that yet.
[08:46] <bob2> Madeye: indeed
[08:46] <bob2> Madeye: undo whatever prelink did, and try again
[08:46] <d2dchat> volvoguy, gotcha
[08:47] <bob2> I'm really not going to sift through 30KB of crap because you ran prelink
[08:47] <bimberi> volvoguy: does this work for multiple page pdfs?
[08:47] <d2dchat> NsOmNiAc, well i tried to open a pdf with it and it said failed, required plugin or something
[08:47] <NsOmNiAc> I'm running Hoary
[08:47] <NsOmNiAc> possible I have the plugin
[08:47] <volvoguy> d2dchat, if you file isn't anything private, i'd be happy to convert it for you.
[08:47] <volvoguy> bimberi, don't know. lemme try. :)
[08:47] <NsOmNiAc> I do alot of graphics design
[08:47] <Madeye> bob2, i'm not sure what prelink is and i don't know how to undo it
[08:47] <_pir> Any body knows how do I launch the "gnome-netstat"..?
[08:47] <nalioth> volvoguy: teach a man to fish, and all that
[08:48] <mfuentes> :( I not have access to change my Hackergotchi in the Launchpad :\
[08:48] <_pir> gnome-netstatus...
[08:48] <bob2> Madeye: why did you run it then?
[08:48] <bob2> mfuentes: known bug
[08:48] <volvoguy> nalioth, regarding upgrading to breezy for a newer gimp, that's like... um.... teach a man to fish for killer whales.
[08:48] <Madeye> bob2,  I didn't, it seems one of my apps did
[08:48] <d2dchat> no, i guess ill live without:(
[08:49] <d2dchat> thanks though
[08:49] <NsOmNiAc> who was it that wanted that ... for pdf ... let me see what plugin I installed
[08:49] <volvoguy> d2dchat, you could check the hoary backports project.
[08:49] <bob2> Madeye: if you say so
[08:49] <er4z0r> does anyone know apt-spy and if it is also possible to use it on ubuntu?
[08:49] <d2dchat> should I let my upgrades download BTW?
[08:49] <nalioth> volvoguy: d2dchat needs a pdf converted. teach a man to fish, and all that
[08:49] <d2dchat> it says I've got a lot, i justw anna make sure they won't break my installation
[08:49] <nalioth> volvoguy: n/m
[08:50] <d2dchat> nalioth, yea, i give up on the problem for now;)
[08:50] <bob2> Madeye: read the prelink man page
[08:50] <d2dchat> does anyone have any suggestions?
[08:50] <d2dchat> for my upgrades
[08:50] <NsOmNiAc> one sec
[08:50] <Madeye> bob2, hmm it sounds prelink is a package, if I remove it my problem will get solved?
[08:51] <bob2> Madeye: no
[08:51] <volvoguy> nalioth, np. :)
[08:51] <cycom> is there anywhere I can get the old gpsd package for debian/ubuntu?
[08:52] <volvoguy> d2dchat, i missed that part. are you just doing security upgrades and such in Hoary, or are you upgrading to Breezy?
[08:52] <NsOmNiAc> couldn't find anything out of the ordinary
[08:52] <d2dchat> i dont think im upgrading to Breezy..
[08:52] <bimberi> volvoguy: nvm, the dialog ask which page(s) you want :)
[08:52] <d2dchat> its just like apache2 and stuff
[08:52] <d2dchat> but a lot of stuff
[08:52] <d2dchat> like KDE
[08:52] <d2dchat> and some other stuff
[08:52] <d2dchat> even though im on Gnome
[08:53] <volvoguy> bimberi, yeah, i was just getting around to it. :) i'm going to use that a lot though!
[08:53] <nalioth> wtf
[08:53] <bob2> Madeye: removing it will not undo what it did
[08:53] <_Caleb_> use fluxbox youll be happier
[08:53] <d2dchat> haha i used that way back
[08:53] <d2dchat> i would like to be able to use all 3
[08:53] <d2dchat> KDE, Gnome and Fluxbox
[08:53] <volvoguy> d2dchat, if you just selected packages in synaptic to install, and some to upgrade, and it didn't complain, you should be good to go. :)
[08:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> desplesda yo.
[08:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> desplesda it seems like my router isn't doing dhcp.
[08:54] <Madeye> bob2, what you're not noticing is i'm desktop user, not programmer, or admin. honestly i don't know whats going on, and prelink man page make no sense
[08:54] <volvoguy> d2dchat, you can do that. i have gnome/kde/e17/xfce on my demo machine.
[08:54] <bob2> Madeye: ok then
[08:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> desplesda because when i type ifup eth0 when directly connected, it's instant. but with the router it just keeps trying and never gets a DHCP response.
[08:54] <d2dchat> volvoguy, you'll have to show me how to set that up;)
[08:55] <_pir> Any body knows how do I launch the "gnome-netstatus"..?
[08:55] <volvoguy> d2dchat, if you do it in synaptic, it should be automagic. :)
[08:55] <volvoguy> well... except e17.
[08:55] <bob2> _pir: if it's an applet, you need to restart the panel to see it listed
[08:55] <Madeye> bob2, isnt there an easy way to get this problem solved? please?
[08:55] <d2dchat> i dont know about e17 and xfce
[08:55] <Plazgoth> Hey I use a KVM switch. When I switch back to UBUNTU the mose freaks out, is there anyway to re-init the mouse
[08:55] <d2dchat> do they look cool?
[08:55] <bob2> Madeye: please don't be annoying
[08:56] <d2dchat> Madeye, lol, apparently not;)
[08:56] <cycom> hey, how do I compile a package from source with apt?
[08:56] <Madeye> bob2, ok
[08:56] <volvoguy> d2dchat, xfce4 is the exact package you'll want, and it does get added to the list of sessions you can choose in the GDM login screen
[08:56] <_pir> I did restart the gnome-panel... but I still can't use it..
[08:56] <bob2> cycom: e.g.?
[08:56] <cycom> is there anyway to automagically do that, or do I have to download the source from somewhere else?
[08:56] <bob2> Madeye: read the manpage again
[08:56] <geneo93> _pir:  right click taskbar add aplet
[08:56] <bob2> cycom: be more specific about what you're trying to do
[08:56] <cycom> bob2: say I want to install gpsd from source
[08:56] <cycom> compile it
[08:56] <cycom> and install it
[08:56] <d2dchat> volvoguy, so what should i do first if i want KDE next?
[08:56] <bob2> Madeye: and look for the word "undo" or so
[08:56] <cycom> like say emerge in gentoo
[08:57] <bob2> cycom: that's unlikely to actually help
[08:57] <d2dchat> i think i only have Gnome
[08:57] <d2dchat> but i have bits and pieces of KDE I guess
[08:57] <d2dchat> im not rly sure
[08:57] <bob2> cycom: "apt-get source gpsd" gets the source tree and unpacks it
[08:57] <_pir> I tried to launch from the /usr/lib/gnome-netstatus ... but nothing
[08:57] <cycom> bob2: thanks.
[08:57] <bob2> cycom: "sudo apt-get build-dep gpsd" will install the needed build dependencies
[08:57] <aftertaf_> Plazgoth:  what type of mouse is it?
[08:58] <volvoguy> d2dchat, probably ask someone else. :) i have a big hard drive and just installed the kubuntu metapackages. there might be a KDE metapackage that just installs the desktop environment though.
[08:58] <cycom> bob2: Thank you very much!
[08:58] <d2dchat> how big is your hd?
[08:58] <geneo93> _pir:  i just told you how to do it
[08:58] <cafuego__> eh-heh
[08:58] <bob2> cycom: 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us' in the unpacked source will build it and put the .debs in ../
[08:59] <volvoguy> d2dchat, 80G - but i don't do anything but try to break it really. :) i don't mind if it gets congested with packages.
[08:59] <dooglus> I keep getting what look like syslog messages written all over my virtual consoles.  can I get that to stop?
[08:59] <arkais> [Spooky] , que onda
[08:59] <d2dchat> volvoguy, lol, well KDE isnt THAT big is it? I have an 80 gig seagate..
[08:59] <arkais> ups
[08:59] <volvoguy> d2dchat, if you're actually using the machine, the kubuntu packages might not be the best way to go. does anyone have a suggestion for this?
[09:00] <volvoguy> bob2, just to get KDE on a stock breezy system? install a kubuntu  metapackage or is there a slimmer KDE metapackage?
[09:00] <geneo93> kubuntu breezy is fine here
[09:00] <bob2> you can install less if you want less
[09:00] <dooglus> kdebase?
[09:00] <bob2> I'd just go with kubuntu-desktop unless you're really strapped for disk/bandwidth
[09:01] <bob2> dooglus: that doesn't even include konq, iirc
[09:01] <volvoguy> bob2, thanks. :)
[09:01] <volvoguy> d2dchat, there's your answer. :)
[09:01] <dooglus> bob2: you don't need konq to run KDE I don't think
[09:01] <geneo93> bob2:  you can do kde
[09:01] <d2dchat> doesnt include Konquerer? really? lol
[09:01] <d2dchat> and those aren't THAT b ig
[09:01] <geneo93> yes you do its part of base package
[09:02] <volvoguy> d2dchat, the kubuntu package will include konquerer.
[09:02] <_pir> geneo93: I click on the "Add to panel" and I still can't see it.. something is running..?
[09:03] <d2dchat> so look for kubuntu in the synaptic package manager?
[09:03] <geneo93> try add application then
[09:03] <volvoguy> d2dchat, yep. it sounds like that's the best method. just search for "kubuntu" and install "kubuntu-desktop".
[09:03] <bob2> dooglus: right, but it's not much of a desktop with it
[09:03] <NsOmNiAc> KDE ?
[09:03] <d2dchat> and that won't replace Gnome settings right?
[09:03] <volvoguy> correct.
[09:04] <Seveas> it will replace some
[09:04] <Seveas> for instance konqueror will be set to default browser
[09:04] <NsOmNiAc> blech
[09:04] <Seveas> yeah, it sucks
[09:04] <d2dchat> Seveas, would be easy to revert back to right?
[09:04] <geneo93> d2dchat:  it will ask what you what to use gdm or kdm
[09:04] <aftertaf> !start a desktop war
[09:04] <ubotu> fluxbox is much better than kde!
[09:04] <d2dchat> geneo93, at what point? during login?
[09:04] <Seveas> d2dchat, a simple sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[09:04] <volvoguy> Seveas, it didn't do that on my install. firefox remained the default browser in gnome.
[09:05] <d2dchat> ubotu, I can just get fluxbox after KDE:-P
[09:05] <ubotu> d2dchat: Are you on ritalin?
[09:05] <volvoguy> d2dchat, ubotu is a bot. :)
[09:05] <d2dchat> ubotu, if you say so
[09:05] <ubotu> d2dchat: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[09:05] <aftertaf> !tell d2dchat about bot
[09:06] <d2dchat> so what i if i keep talking about KDE and fluxbox? will the bot pick tha tup?
[09:06] <dooglus> d2dchat: no, the bot is pretty stupid.
[09:06] <d2dchat> dooglus, too bad:(
[09:06] <Seveas> !lart dooglus
[09:07] <volvoguy> d2dchat, the rest of us will pick up the slack though. :)
[09:07] <Seveas> I wou;dn't say stupid :)
[09:07] <d2dchat> lol
[09:07] <d2dchat> man, i cant believe im paying $30/mo for 600kbps
[09:07] <volvoguy> d2dchat, whoa.
[09:07] <d2dchat> and they advertise 715
[09:08] <esac> dist-upgrade pulled down -9 kernel. no nvidia driver, no atheros wifi driver kills my system. is it common to get a kernel upgrade and have everything break ?
[09:08] <volvoguy> d2dchat, no cable in your area?
[09:08] <d2dchat> damn comcast..
[09:08] <webwolf_27> I'm looking for a good distro to use for programming (wxWidgets, qt, etc.) on a notebook with low RAM (192MB). Is Ubuntu a good choice?
[09:08] <d2dchat> no, it is comcast
[09:08] <aftertaf> d2dchat:  you're in Oz right? you guys have it expensive .... true!
[09:08] <Seveas> esac, no, there's something odd going on
[09:08] <Seveas> I'm waiting to reboot until the restricted modules are there :)
[09:08] <d2dchat> well see
[09:08] <bob2> webwolf_27: or debian, yes
[09:08] <Knelix> I really don't understand this computer... So I switched the hard drive with another I have... now, nothing.. just the startup screen... doesn't want to start off of the CD.... ugh...
[09:08] <d2dchat> they advertise 6 Mbps
[09:08] <d2dchat> BUT
[09:08] <d2dchat> it runs at 500-600
[09:09] <volvoguy> d2dchat, huh. i thought everyone had the same speed. 4Mb for analog users, 6mb for digital.
[09:09] <webwolf_27> bob2, I had trouble getting the wxwigdets libs to work on Sarge
[09:09] <webwolf_27> bob2, even though I installed them via apt
[09:09] <d2dchat> volvoguy, the problem is everyone else I guess?
[09:09] <d2dchat> u made default gdm btw
[09:09] <d2dchat> i hope that will still let kdm run
[09:10] <bob2> webwolf_27: odd
[09:10] <d2dchat> im so glad i never have to reboot hehehe
[09:10] <CaiN_SA> bob2, when i type : grug-install /dev/hda i get the error : /dev/foo: not found or not a block device
[09:10] <esac> Seveas: is it just taking a while to propogate, and we are jumping the bandwagon ? isn't there batching method so that users don't pick up broken packages ?
[09:10] <volvoguy> d2dchat, there's a lot of factors in network speed. if you want to test yours out, try this. mine tested a little better than the national average - http://www.broadbandreports.com/stest
[09:11] <d2dchat> alright so should i sign off and come back?
[09:11] <webwolf_27> bob2, thats what I thought 2, I had the same problem on SuSE9.3, and FC3 is slow as hell on so little RAM
[09:11] <geneo93> d2 if you upgrade kernel you'll need to
[09:11] <marie_> does any one here can guide me about ubunto??? plzzzz
[09:11] <aftertaf> d2dchat:  if you want to change you can dpkg-reconfigure kdm or gdm
[09:11] <bob2> CaiN_SA: really /dev/foo?
[09:11] <volvoguy> d2dchat, you'll need to log off or end session to log back in to KDE.
[09:11] <cafuego_> d2dchat: 500Kb/s = 6MBps
[09:11] <d2dchat> aftertaf, i have to do that everytime?
[09:12] <webwolf_27> bob2, and I don't want to take the time to do an LFS or Gentoo
[09:12] <aftertaf> marie_:  you're in the right place, ask away
[09:12] <benplaut> is alien installed on breezy by default?
[09:12] <aftertaf> d2dchat:  nope, but if you want to use kdm instead of gdm, you can choose, and change your mind ;)
[09:12] <marie_> tnx
[09:12] <geneo93> benplaut:  no
[09:13] <volvoguy> d2dchat, that's just to pick the login manager. you can use gdm for everything. just click the session button and change it to KDE to log into kde.
[09:13] <benplaut> hrm
[09:13] <d2dchat> aftertaf, cant i just do what volvoguy said?
[09:13] <Tomcat_> webwolf_27: You could try the LiveCD first... although that will already be slower than an installed system.
[09:13] <[Wiebel] > hmm
[09:13] <[Wiebel] > anyone using the mozilla totem plugin?
[09:13] <cafuego_> d2dchat: or you could install Xnest and run KDE inside a Gnome session.
[09:13] <benplaut> ahh
[09:13] <benplaut> just needed an apt-get upgrade :P
[09:13] <d2dchat> 2005-09-23 03:12:48 EST: 4966 / 341
[09:13] <d2dchat> Your download speed : 5085909 bps, or 4966 kbps.
[09:13] <d2dchat> A 620.8 KB/sec transfer rate.
[09:13] <d2dchat> Your upload speed : 350048 bps, or 341 kbps.
[09:13] <d2dchat> what is that?
[09:13] <marie_> aftertaf, what should i do to download yahoo messenger???
[09:13] <[Wiebel] > it seems it isn't capable of showing streams with more than one stream
[09:14] <[Wiebel] > http://www.nu.nl/news/596320/22/Rita_drijft_Amerikanen_tot_wanhoop_%28video%29.html
[09:14] <d2dchat> o wait, ive got 5
[09:14] <[Wiebel] > like that one
[09:14] <d2dchat> i should have 6:(
[09:14] <d2dchat> bleh
[09:14] <CaiN_SA> bob2 , yes why does it do that i dont specify that :/
[09:14] <cafuego_> d2dchat: note there are 8 bits in a byte. They advertise bits.
[09:14] <dealt> greetings!
[09:14] <webwolf_27> Tomcat_, I tried knoppix, that only works with the cable plugged in, otherwise it constantly restarts (cant find my battery)
[09:14] <d2dchat> yea
[09:14] <volvoguy> d2dchat, do you have digital cable tv?
[09:14] <d2dchat> they try to make it bigger
[09:14] <d2dchat> yes
[09:14] <nerf_Herder> hi
[09:14] <Knelix> After installation of the "new" hard drive... the system is working very slowly... very to slow to go through the startup sequence....
[09:15] <volvoguy> d2dchat, lucky you. :) they don't say in the commercial that 6mb/sec is only for digital people.
[09:15] <d2dchat> lol
[09:15] <aftertaf> marie_:  you can use gaim or kopete, they are compatible yahoo...
[09:15] <nerf_Herder> im just new in using ubuntu... where can i download plug-ins for mp3?
[09:15] <dealt> quick question, is it ok to build/install a new version of an application from source without uninstalling the previous version?
[09:15] <cafuego_> digital cable means more shit for more money - blah.
[09:15] <webwolf_27> d2dchat, did I read right that your paying 30$/month for that
[09:15] <d2dchat> $68+$29/mo isnt lucky
[09:15] <cafuego_> (on the tv side anyway)
[09:15] <d2dchat> yes
[09:15] <marie_> aftertaf, were could i find that??
[09:15] <nerf_Herder> anybody knows where i can download plug-ins for mp3?
[09:16] <d2dchat> xmms:)
[09:16] <fek> moin
[09:16] <cafuego_> !RestrictedFormats
[09:16] <ubotu> from memory, restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[09:16] <webwolf_27> d2dchat, damn I'm paying ~45/month for 2.6Mbs up 512Kbs down
[09:16] <volvoguy> cafuego_, agreed. i HAD it... picture was worse than analog, i didn't watch the extra channels, and it cost more. forget that.
[09:16] <d2dchat> webwolf_27, shit! ill stop complaining then:)
[09:16] <d2dchat> webwolf_27, where are you?
[09:17] <webwolf_27> d2dchat, thats a flat rate , Nuernberg Germany
[09:17] <cafuego_> volvoguy: <heh> The only channels I watch are the extra ones. The non-digital here doesn't have the normal UHF channels, but digital does. Due to the skyscrapers between me and the transmitter, the only eay i can watch normal tv is by having digital cable :-(
[09:17] <webwolf_27> d2dchat, but no volume limit
[09:18] <d2dchat> webwolf_27, is the Internet over there public or private?
[09:18] <d2dchat> publically or privately owned?
[09:18] <cerius> hi wat ist the lin to ubuntu chat german
[09:18] <webwolf_27> d2dchat, private
[09:18] <cafuego_> well, that or parking  a couple of 747's in a few inconvenient buildings
[09:18] <d2dchat> webwolf_27, very curious...
[09:18] <d2dchat> webwolf_27, what went wrong? :)
[09:18] <cafuego_> !de
[09:18] <ubotu> well, de is #ubuntu-de bitte.
[09:19] <webwolf_27> d2dchat, ? what went wrong ?
[09:19] <d2dchat> webwolf_27, why are the prices so much higher?
[09:19] <volvoguy> cafuego_, interesting. i'm on 5 acres on top of a hill, so i can't say i'm familiar with things getting in the way of analog anything. :)
[09:20] <jeavis> hello
[09:20] <geneo93> d2dchat:  because the local politicians have there hand in his pocket
[09:20] <webwolf_27> d2dchat, VAT, always on, etc.. and that was only a rough conversion euro->dollar, in addition pprices are higher here in general
[09:20] <volvoguy> cafuego_, although i do get struck by lightning quite often. 5 feet outside my back door tonight for instance. :-\
[09:21] <desplesda> BROKEN_LADDER:  hello?
[09:21] <jeavis> hi what application can I use to burn a cd
[09:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> hi
[09:21] <desplesda> BROKEN_LADDER:  how did it go?
[09:21] <d2dchat> im moving to Cali
[09:21] <d2dchat> :(
[09:21] <d2dchat> 25364/717
[09:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> well, check your private message
[09:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> d2dchat i live in san francisco.
[09:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> don't move here
[09:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's cold expensive and crowded
[09:21] <d2dchat> one guy got 25364/717 for down/up
[09:22] <d2dchat> in cali
[09:22] <pipoun> but there's lots og gays
[09:22] <pipoun> of*
[09:22] <d2dchat> if i got those speeds i wouldnt care about the cold:)
[09:22] <ColonelKernel> !kp
[09:22] <ubotu> ColonelKernel: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[09:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[09:22] <volvoguy> d2dchat, that's probably not for $30.
[09:22] <d2dchat> volvoguy, it was comcast!
[09:22] <d2dchat> :)
[09:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> surewest, a broaband company in sacramento, has astonishing deals.
[09:22] <d2dchat> has anyone heard about fi os?
[09:22] <volvoguy> d2dchat, they have business accounts.
[09:22] <d2dchat> volvoguy, i heard business accounts only go up to 8
[09:23] <apsync> hi, when I start my pc I get 'cannot start x server (your interface)' and when I scroll down I see, cannot Load module 'nvidia', how can I fix this? I can enter the terminal via safe mode, anyone know how I can install nvidia drivers in terminal?
[09:23] <aftertaf> jeavis:  gnome?   there are a couple......   cd roaster?  is it an mp3 to audio cd?
[09:24] <aftertaf> apsync:  what version of ubuntu?
[09:24] <apsync> breezah
[09:24] <volvoguy> d2dchat, i'm not sure, but i thought it was alot higher than that. one of my clients had 8mb through comcast over 5 years ago.
[09:24] <aftertaf> ok... latest update?
[09:24] <apsync> yes
[09:24] <apsync> breezy btw :S
[09:25] <aftertaf> ahh... something screwy happened to the packages....     for the moment i'd advise using vesa till the packages are sorted.
[09:25] <d2dchat> volvoguy, interesting, well i dont know for sure
[09:25] <aftertaf> apsync:  get that??
[09:25] <apsync> vesa ?
[09:25] <apsync> what is that?
[09:25] <ColonelKernel> ok wish me luck - im buildin vanilla 2.6.14-rc2 on breezy daily build
[09:25] <d2dchat> http://www22.verizon.com/FiosForHome/channels/Fios/HighSpeedInternetForHome.asp
[09:25] <d2dchat> check that^
[09:25] <apsync> ah, ty
[09:25] <aftertaf> apsync:  type sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf :
[09:25] <apsync> yes
[09:25] <webwolf_27> ok is anybody programming with wx on ubuntu, how well can I expect my sys to run with 1.5Ghz and 192mb RAM
[09:26] <apsync> should i post to a nopaste page that xorg.conf?
[09:26] <aftertaf> scroll down and edit were you see "nvidia"   change to "vesa"
[09:26] <apsync> oh
[09:26] <bigfoot1> a quick favor to ask of a firefox user: I'm trying to make a "quick search from URL bar" for amazon.com books. Could one of you go to amazon.com, select "books" in the dropdown list, right click in the text field (search box), select "make quick search" (or something like that). Then go to your bookmarks and copy and paste the "special url" that firefox made. (I need this info for my Galeon browser) Thank you!
[09:26] <Madeye> guys, it seems i ran out of alternative, and I have to reinstall the system, does ubuntu have netinstaller through ftp ?
[09:26] <aftertaf> apsync:  no need to paste..... ;)
[09:26] <ColonelKernel> apsync, i have a better idea for you
[09:26] <apsync> and how do i install vesa?
[09:26] <aftertaf> apsync:  you dont, its a standard vga ;)
[09:26] <ColonelKernel> apsync, download the latest driver from nvidia and install it
[09:26] <aftertaf> alreasy present
[09:26] <apsync> oh cool
[09:26] <volvoguy> d2dchat, ahhh.. fiber.
[09:26] <apsync> ColonelKernel: is that possible via terminal?
[09:27] <ColonelKernel> apokryphos, yes it is
[09:27] <apsync> oh cool
[09:27] <apsync> can you tell me the command?
[09:27] <aftertaf> ColonelKernel:  i don't tnink that would be best...... it gets messed up with the kernel version and the current gcc..... breezy isnt stable enough yet.
[09:27] <aftertaf> and the packages will be fixed soon anyway.
[09:27] <Knelix> The system become extremely extremely slow (looks like it's frozen) with the new hard drive I installed, and refuses to boot from the CD. When disconnected, the CD boots just fine.
[09:27] <d2dchat> volvoguy, it said 30Mbps i think
[09:27] <webwolf_27> apsync, you only have to edit xorg.conf
 Seriously...
[09:27] <ColonelKernel> aftertaf, how so?
[09:27] <apsync> ok
[09:27] <apsync> doing now
[09:27] <d2dchat> 
[09:27] <d2dchat> FiOS and Speed
[09:27] <d2dchat>   	1. What is Verizon FiOS Internet Service?
[09:27] <d2dchat>   	2. How fast is Verizon FiOS Internet Service?
[09:27] <d2dchat>   	3. What is connection speed? How is it different than throughput?
[09:27] <d2dchat>   	4. What affects my connection speed?
[09:27] <d2dchat> 
[09:27] <d2dchat> Qualification
[09:27] <d2dchat>   	1. Is Verizon FiOS Internet Service available on my phone line?
[09:27] <kataklysm> aftertaf: breezy is fixed now, its running pretty good
[09:27] <d2dchat>   	2. My neighbor has Verizon FiOS Internet Service, but my phone line doesn't qualify. Why?
[09:27] <aftertaf> d2dchat:  dont paste....
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	3. Can I change my phone number to get a phone number that qualifies for Verizon FiOS Internet Service?
[09:28] <apsync> Identifier	"vesa"
[09:28] <d2dchat> 
[09:28] <jeavis> aftertaf, I want to burn my files into cd
[09:28] <d2dchat> Requirements
[09:28] <pipoun> floooooooooooooooooooood
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	1. Are there computer requirements for FiOS?
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	2. What is the difference between the minimum and recommended system requirements?
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	3. What type of wiring is needed for FiOS?
[09:28] <d2dchat> 
[09:28] <aftertaf> kataklysm:  i know, but the  restricted packages have gone messed up
[09:28] <d2dchat> Equipment and Networking
[09:28] <BROKEN_LADDER> desplesda did you die buddy?
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	1. What other equipment is needed for Verizon FiOS Internet Service?
[09:28] <dooglus> where do the messages in the virtual console showing the time since boot to 6 decimal places come from?
[09:28] <Knelix> What the heck could this be? What could cause the system to run like this when a disk is connected?
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	2. Can I hook up more than one computer with a single Verizon FiOS Internet Service connection?
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	3. Will the wireless adapters I have already work with Verizon FiOS Internet Service?
[09:28] <d2dchat> 
[09:28] <desplesda> BROKEN_LADDER:  no, you looked like you did
[09:28] <d2dchat> Installation
[09:28] <aftertaf> d2dchat:  STOP PASTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:28] <desplesda> hehe
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	1. What's involved in the Verizon FiOS Internet Service Installation process?
[09:28] <kataklysm> like what packages are broken?
[09:28] <aftertaf> d2dchat:  STOP PASTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:28] <aftertaf> d2dchat:  STOP PASTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	2. How long will it take to install my new Verizon FiOS Internet Service?
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	3. What is included with the professional installation?
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	4. How will I know when my Verizon FiOS Internet Service is ready?
[09:28] <d2dchat> 
[09:28] <d2dchat> Features
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	1. Can I host a Web page?
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	2. Can I access the Internet if I'm traveling?
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	3. How many e-mail accounts come with my Verizon FiOS Internet Service?
[09:28] <pipoun> !kb d2dchat
[09:28] <ubotu> pipoun: Are you on ritalin?
[09:28] <kataklysm> god damn d2dchat
[09:28] <d2dchat> 
[09:28] <aftertaf> bob2:  !!!!!!!!
[09:28] <d2dchat> Current Verizon Services (Phone & DSL)
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	1. Does Verizon FiOS Internet Service require installing an additional phone line?
[09:28] <Madpilot> !ops
[09:28] <ubotu> ops is, like, Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, and Nalioth
[09:28] <volvoguy> d2dchat, stop!
[09:28] <d2dchat>   	2. Can I use my fax machine and the Internet at the same time?
[09:29] <d2dchat>   	3. Will my current phone features work with Verizon FiOS Internet Service?
[09:29] <d2dchat>   	4. What if I have multiple accounts that I receive separate bills on? Will both accounts be put on fiber?
[09:29] <d2dchat>   	5. What will happen if I have multiple phone lines at my home that are on the same bill today? Will all my voice services be put on fiber?
[09:29] <pipoun> ubotu, what's a ritalin?
[09:29] <ubotu> pipoun: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[09:29] <d2dchat>   	6. I am already a Verizon Online DSL customer. Can I
[09:29] <d2dchat> woops
[09:29] <d2dchat> holy shit sorry
[09:29] <Madpilot> d2dchat: you are, in fact, an idiot...
[09:29] <d2dchat> i deserve a spank for that one lol
[09:29] <d2dchat> i did!
[09:29] <d2dchat> i stopped!
[09:29] <d2dchat> ahh
[09:29] <marie_> aftertaf, hi again
[09:29] <desplesda> BROKEN_LADDER:  you're not responding to /msg :P
[09:29] <dooglus> d2dchat: we see the paste at about 1 line per second - so there's a backlog
[09:29] <d2dchat> im just gonna wait until all of my messages came through..
[09:29] <volvoguy> where's ubotu to strangle him with a mouse cord? ;)
[09:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> desplesda of course i am!
[09:29] <d2dchat> yea, i figured that out
[09:29] <kataklysm> aftertaf,  what packages do u know of in breezy that are still broken?
[09:29] <aftertaf> d2dchat:  please never do that again........ ;)
[09:29] <Madpilot> !lart d2dchat
[09:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> desplesda i'm answering you in the query
[09:30] <dooglus> where do the messages in the virtual console showing the time since boot to 6 decimal places come from?
[09:30] <d2dchat> i accidentially pasted the wrong stuff, i dont see how, hold on
[09:30] <aftertaf> kataklysm:  it isnt stable, so things can be ok and become broken with new updates.....
[09:30] <bob2> dooglus: that's what kernel output looks like in 2.6.12+
[09:30] <pipoun> ubotu, btw I prefer kava to ritalin
[09:30] <ubotu> pipoun: I give up, what is it?
[09:30] <marie_> aftertaf, can ubunto support any lan games??
[09:30] <aftertaf> this has happened since yesterday with restricted modules for the new kernel update.
[09:30] <ColonelKernel> if breezy boots well with a vanilla kernel im replacing hoary with it today
[09:30] <bob2> dooglus: edit /etc/init.d/klogd, add -c3 to KLOGD_OPTIONS, restart it
[09:30] <jeavis> What application Can I use to burn my files into a cd
[09:30] <kataklysm> aftertaf,  i havent been updating, i am going to wait until its final and dist-upgrade
[09:30] <dooglus> bob2: is there any way to get it to go to a file instead of the virtual consoles?
[09:30] <bob2> jeavis: the file manager does that out of the box
[09:30] <volvoguy> d2dchat, they say my state doesn't exist. i wouldn't do business with them if they were the only connection to the net. i think they're a horrible company.
[09:30] <bob2> dooglus: as above
[09:30] <neibo> k3b jeavis
[09:31] <dooglus> bob2: it's blatting all over this IRC window
[09:31] <pipoun> my dear ubotu what are U talking about?
[09:31] <jeavis> k3b
[09:31] <d2dchat> volvoguy, haha yea, i was just looking at the #;)
[09:31] <HaNazir> m
[09:31] <desplesda> BROKEN_LADDER:  weird, i can't see any response from you
[09:31] <Madpilot> pipoun: ubotu is a BOT, man...
[09:31] <desplesda> BROKEN_LADDER:  oh well
[09:31] <Madpilot> !tell pipoun about ubotu
[09:31] <bob2> dooglus: that'll fix it then
[09:31] <volvoguy> d2dchat, yeah - i know. i'll wait until google takes over the world.
[09:31] <dooglus> bob2: ok, i see.  what does the "-P" flag to klogd do by the way?
[09:31] <xukun> I,m having a problem installing skype, I,m using hoary and I,m using this howto: "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto?highlight=%28skype%29" but then I get dependencies problem which says: "skype: Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3.2) but 3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3 is to be installed"
[09:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> desplesda do you see it now?!
[09:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> i just pasted a bunch of stuff to you.
[09:31] <d2dchat> volvoguy, you mean away from Bill?
[09:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> in priv chat
[09:31] <d2dchat> volvoguy, ;)
[09:31] <desplesda> BROKEN_LADDER:  nope :(
[09:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> wtf
[09:32] <volvoguy> d2dchat, whomever. :)
[09:32] <xukun> I have no idea what to do
[09:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> desplesda did you accidentally put me on ignore?
[09:32] <marie_> hey aftertaf pls answer me......:((
[09:32] <desplesda> if i did then i wouldn't be talking to you now
[09:32] <pipoun> Madpilot, tks bro...
[09:32] <d2dchat> volvoguy, wow the security of windows is hilariously aweful
[09:32] <HaNazir> i want to use ubuntu only text based, with no graphiccal interface. is it possible to have a well functioning workstation like that? With SSL support for a text based web browser chat and e-mail?
[09:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> desplesda join #wotie
[09:32] <d2dchat> volvoguy, and why do people always saw linux is insecure??
[09:32] <kataklysm> when is breezy suppose to be final?
[09:32] <aftertaf> marie_: do you have synaptic installed?
[09:32] <dooglus> bob2: I don't have any KLOGD_OPTIONS in that file to add to
[09:32] <kataklysm> what date in oct?
[09:32] <Madpilot> kataklysm: Oct 13th
[09:33] <aftertaf> kataklysm:  13 oct
[09:33] <aftertaf> ;)
[09:33] <kataklysm> cool
[09:33] <d2dchat> volvoguy, ive heard from numerious users that linux was insecure
[09:33] <bob2> dooglus: just KLOGD then
[09:33] <xukun> anybody?
[09:33] <bob2> HaNazir: sure
[09:33] <Carpe_Libertatem> hmm
[09:33] <aftertaf> d2dchat:  i heard that windows lasts 4 minutes on the net without antiviral protection and security progs that slow it down even more anyway...... ;)
[09:33] <Knelix> Okay guys... if anybody has any theories... I had one disk installed which apparently had a bad block or two... Now I switched it with another hard drive.. and the system just completely stalls on startup and does not want to start up from the Ubuntu startup CD... What is up with the system and this hard disk?
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[09:33] <bob2> xukun: whatever .deb of skype you have is not going to work on ubuntu hoary
[09:33] <marie_> aftertaf, where can i find that???
[09:34] <d2dchat> aftertaf, i read the same article;)
[09:34] <aftertaf> marie_:  do you know about apt?
[09:34] <HaNazir> bob2: which apps? browser, e-mail, chat. Names plz :)
[09:34] <aftertaf> d2dchat:  ;)
[09:34] <xukun> bob2, so I can forget installing skype on ubuntu?
[09:34] <dooglus> bob2: do you think the "-P" in that file is a typo?
[09:34] <dooglus> bob2: there's no mention of -P in the klogd man page
[09:34] <jeavis> neibo, thank you
[09:34] <volvoguy> d2dchat, i don't know where people are getting that info either. it must be coming in some non-techie form. my aunt, who knows nothing of computers, thinks i'm nuts because i use linux and firefox and that both are huge security risks. *shrug*
[09:34] <bob2> HaNazir: w3m, mutt, irssi + bitlbee
[09:34] <bob2> xukun: don't be silly
[09:34] <d2dchat> aftertaf, antiviral and anti-spyware dont even work that wlel anyway
[09:34] <marie_> aftertaf, dis is my 1st tym to use linux... pls guide me...
[09:34] <bob2> dooglus: yeah, that is odd; I don't know
[09:34] <d2dchat> volvoguy, lol, I know! what is the deal??
[09:34] <HaNazir> bob2: thanx man
[09:35] <xukun> bob2, ?
[09:35] <aftertaf> marie_:  open a console and type this    :   sudo apt-get install synaptic
[09:35] <bob2> xukun: of course you can use skype on ubuntu
[09:35] <volvoguy> i need to drug up and not.. sit.. here.. for a while. i'll be back in a bit.
[09:35] <bob2> xukun: whatever .deb you have is not going to work, tho
[09:35] <bob2> xukun: try the static .tar.bz2
[09:35] <bigfoot1> can any firefox user help with a non-technical question?
[09:35] <bob2> bigfoot1: best to just ask
[09:35] <bigfoot1> bob2, i did.
[09:36] <along> hi angel
[09:36] <xukun> bob2, from skype?
[09:36] <JDahl> bigfoot1, ask your question, dont ask to ask
[09:36] <along> yo wazzup!!!!! ctc?
[09:36] <bob2> bigfoot1: "yes"
[09:36] <bob2> xukun: yes
[09:36] <pipoun> how can I know my screen resolution (I'm using KDE)
[09:36] <xukun> bob2, thanks bob2
[09:36] <pipoun> ?
[09:36] <aftertaf> pipoun:  rightclick: configure desktop
[09:36] <bigfoot1> A non-technical favor to ask of any firefox user: I'm trying to make a "quick search from URL bar" for amazon.com books. Could one of you go to amazon.com, select "books" in the dropdown list, right click in the text field (search box), select "make quick search" (or something like that). Then go to your bookmarks and copy and paste the "special url" that firefox made. (I need this info for my Galeon browser) Thank you!
[09:37] <HaNazir> bob2: is there anyway i can lets say, disable graphical interface for one user and allow xserver for another?
[09:37] <aftertaf> pipoun:  then >display
[09:37] <bob2> HaNazir: sure, but why bother?
[09:38] <pipoun> aftertaf, yes but they say that my Xserver doesn't manage that. I can't use randr
[09:38] <aftertaf> pipoun:  to know your screen resolution?
[09:38] <pipoun> (I have modified the xorg.conf for dualscreen)
[09:38] <aftertaf> hmmm.
[09:38] <marie_> aftertaf: wat is nxt??
[09:38] <aftertaf> marie_:  see your private messages.... ;)
[09:39] <HaNazir> bob2: i have my reasons :) how would i do that complex?
[09:39] <bob2> HaNazir: you'd write a wrapper for the X command and not let people run X themselves
[09:39] <bob2> without a good reason, tho, I'm not really willing to write it for you
[09:39] <aftertaf> marie_:  are you receving my PMs?
[09:40] <marie_> aftertaf: i havnt recieve any...
[09:40] <dooglus> bob2: adding -c3 didn't stop the spam.  and neither did -c0, -c1, -c7 or -c9.
[09:41] <dooglus> (-c0 and -c9 were illegal values, apparently)
[09:41] <bob2> dooglus: did you restart klogd?
[09:41] <dooglus> bob2: indeed
[09:41] <HaNazir> bob2: lol. i'm trying to setup this comp for a client, and he wants only the teachers to have a graphical interface, but not the kids,a s they had a porn problem previously. so they decided, only allow non graphical clients. So they just wanted to use some dos stuff. So I told them, with Linux, you can use many more apps that are just terminal based and you will not lose that much function.
[09:41] <HaNazir> wow
[09:41] <HaNazir> sorry life story
[09:41] <dooglus> bob2: and a ps shows the -c3 argument
[09:41] <bob2> dooglus: ok, I don't know then
[09:41] <bob2> ubotu: printk
[09:41] <ubotu> bob2: No idea
[09:41] <bob2> bah
[09:41] <bob2> dooglus: ask the dpkg bot about printk
[09:42] <aftertaf> HaNazir:  propose dansguardian to them..... ;)
[09:42] <bob2> dooglus: you may need to join #debian-bots
[09:42] <dooglus> HaNazir: is there a SDL web browser the kids could use?
[09:42] <HaNazir> aftertaf: i couldnt configure that thing for the life of me
[09:42] <HaNazir> aftertaf: tried for months, cant figure it out :(
[09:42] <dooglus> bob2: I don't know what you're talking about.  how do you ask bots stuff?
[09:43] <GrannyTux> I think Im in love with the boy who made the Hoary AddOn CD
[09:43] <HaNazir> !ask
[09:43] <HaNazir> umm maybe not
[09:43] <HaNazir> !ubuntu
[09:43] <ubotu> ubuntu is, like, totally, an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'. see !awards
[09:43] <bob2> dooglus: /msg dpkg printk
[09:43] <aftertaf> HaNazir:  hehe... never yet tried ;) :/
[09:45] <dooglus> bob2: thanks.  the bot told me to read a kernel source file - so that's me downloading 40Mb of source to get a 2kb file...  :)
[09:48] <bob2> dooglus: hrm, suck
[09:48] <bob2> dooglus: the key bit is "kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7"
[09:48] <dooglus> bob2: luckily I have a vaguely fast connection
[09:49] <GrannyTux>      /msg nickserv set hide email on
[09:49] <bob2> dooglus: which means "edit /etc/sysctl.conf and set that variable, then run sysctl -p"
[09:50] <dooglus>     /msg nickserv ident iamaturkey
[09:51] <Knelix2> What does this mean: "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. "
[09:51] <bob2> Knelix2: to run the command it mentions
[09:51] <Burgundavia> Knelix2, where did you get that error?
[09:52] <Knelix2> Using the update app.. which has a little circular red icon next to the sound icon.
[09:52] <HiddenFly> how can i remove a partition and make a new one on the same place?
[09:52] <TW> hy all i'm tryng to update skype but it aslk to me libqt3c102-mt that it's not present (i'm using breezy) i have only libqt3c102
[09:52] <TW> anyone know how to resolve?
[09:53] <Greensky> what's the current release version of ubuntu?
[09:53] <HiddenFly> hoary, 5.04
[09:53] <bob2> TW: install libqt3-mt
[09:53] <HaNazir> TW: apt-cache search doesnt show it?
[09:53] <bob2> HiddenFly: why bother? just put a new filesystem on it
[09:53] <HiddenFly> bob2: ok, how?
[09:54] <Greensky> HiddenFly, thanks... if I'm going to use try ubuntu would you recommend hoary or breezy?
[09:54] <HiddenFly> its a ntfs partition now, i wanna make it ext3
[09:54] <Greensky> (I use linux as my main desktop so this would be on my main home machine)
[09:54] <HiddenFly> hoary is better as it is stable
[09:54] <bob2> HiddenFly: sudo mkfs -t ext3 /dev/whatever
[09:54] <GrannyTux> who are the sysops tonight
[09:54] <HiddenFly> bob2: ok thanks
[09:54] <TW> bob2: i've just installed libqt3-mt
[09:54] <bob2> HiddenFly: that will destroy the contents of /dev/whatever ireperably, tho
[09:54] <HiddenFly> yea i know
[09:55] <HiddenFly> made backups already
[09:55] <Knelix> Burgundavia: I ran the command and it is working now.
[09:55] <bob2> HiddenFly: I mean, be very very careful where you point that loaded gun ;)
[09:55] <bob2> GrannyTux: ?
[09:56] <TW> HaNazir: sudo apt-cache search libqt3c102-mt
[09:56] <TW> Password:
[09:56] <TW> libqt3c102 - Qt GUI Library, Version 3
[09:56] <HiddenFly> yea i double checked the location
[09:56] <HiddenFly> and as for size it seems to be ok, (180gb)
[09:56] <bob2> you don't need sudo to use apt-cache
[09:56] <bob2> also, that's not the package name I said
[09:58] <HaNazir> if anyone here has experience with dansguardian and is willing to give me a hand, plz message me. thanx.
[10:00] <hehehe> can anyone help me?? y i cant use my webcam on this program?????
[10:01] <leagris> hi
[10:01] <hehehe> can anyone help me?? y i cant use my webcam on this program?????
[10:01] <bob2> hehehe: a) please use english, b) not so much punctuation, c) no need to repeat after 7 seconds
[10:01] <aftertaf> HaNazir:  hehe, got you back on that one then ;)
[10:02] <aftertaf> hi twibbler :)
[10:02] <twibbler> aftertaf: good morning .....
[10:03] <aftertaf> ;) yeah... coffee break time :)
[10:03] <HiddenFly> umm.. wtf? on that partition, it says there is 168,1Gb free, but there should be about 180GB free
[10:03] <transgress> is there a convenient way to connect two linux boxes together via ethernet and share files between them?
[10:03] <bob2> HiddenFly: 5% is reserved for root
[10:03] <bob2> and there are other lossy things
[10:03] <HiddenFly> ok
[10:03] <bob2> you can use tune2fs to change the percentage
[10:03] <bob2> to 0, if you like
[10:03] <HiddenFly> k
[10:04] <twibbler> aftertaf:  first thing coffee and cig and email.....
[10:04] <ghostdog> how can i uninstall a program ,cause my k3b crashed ?
[10:04] <transgress> you want to uninstall k3b?
[10:05] <ghostdog> yes
[10:05] <Trewas> HiddenFly: harddives are marketed with SI-based gigabytes while operating systems use binary units, so 180GB drive is actually 168GiB
[10:05] <aftertaf> ghostdog:  what happened? report a bug....
[10:05] <aftertaf> hlp make it better
[10:05] <transgress> ghostdog: well if you really must... sudo aptitude remove k3b ... but k3b is always stable for me... i'd report a bug if you can make it happen again.
[10:05] <ghostdog> how can i report a bug aftertaf?
[10:05] <HiddenFly> Trewas: yea, but that partition was 180GB on ntfs... the HD is actually 200GB drive
[10:06] <opteek> ok, the media packages in ubuntu are pansy packages
[10:06] <opteek> mplayer is a peice of shit
[10:06] <bob2> ghostdog: reinstalling it is unlikely to help
[10:06] <transgress> opteek: don't troll
[10:06] <bob2> opteek: er, try to maintain some level of maturity...
[10:06] <opteek> i am venting
[10:06] <transgress> is there an easy way to direct connect two computers via ethernet?
[10:06] <transgress> opteek: i've yet to have any problems with them.  so go whine elsewhere.
[10:07] <volvoguy> transgress, samba?
[10:07] <opteek> in all the years of using linux, I have never had mplayer crash.. until now
[10:07] <bob2> transgress: plug them in.  install nfs-kernel-server.  mount each way.
[10:07] <transgress> bob2: thanks
[10:07] <ghostdog> bob2: ok how can i report a bug, where can i send it ?
[10:07] <volvoguy> transgress, or what bob2 said. (always take his word over mine :)
[10:07] <transgress> opteek: hoary or breezy
[10:07] <opteek> hoary!!!
[10:08] <transgress> heh thanks anyway for the suggestion volvoguy
[10:08] <HiddenFly> what are those reserved blocks used for btw?
[10:08] <bob2> ghostdog: www.launchpad.net
[10:08] <transgress> opteek: what'd you try playing?  instead of fucking whining, why don't you elaborate on the problem.
[10:09] <Burgundavia> transgress, please watch the language
[10:09] <opteek> I don't know what the problem was, I'm too impatient, i reinstalled from source, but mplayer kept crashing my xserver
[10:09] <opteek> when i tried to run an mp4 file
[10:09] <transgress> Burgundavia: well please watch the language as well... since i'm not the only one to cuss...
[10:09] <transgress> opteek: use vlc for the mp4 file... i believe it handles them better.
[10:09] <transgress> you reinstalled it from source?
[10:09] <opteek> yeah
[10:10] <ghostdog> it gave me this error" The application K3b(k3b) crashed and caused the signal 6(SIGABRT)" i dont know what to do
[10:10] <transgress> so you aren't even complaining about the ubuntu package?
[10:10] <opteek> no, the ubuntu package was borked
[10:10] <opteek> i reinstalled and not it works
[10:10] <bob2> HiddenFly: so that if the disk is nominally full, you still have space to compress things or whatever to save space
[10:11] <bob2> opteek: then it is extrordinarily unlikely to be an issue with the package itself
[10:11] <opteek> bob2: how do you mean
[10:11] <opteek> bob2: i installed the deb, and it crashes, i removed it and reinstalled it after updating sources, same prob, i compile from source, works
[10:12] <thesaltydog> with latest kernel update (-9) I have no more disply in console. I can't see the boot process. The screen is dark untile gdm starts..
[10:12] <opteek> bob2, to be fair, i only compiled the nogui
[10:13] <opteek> bob2, ubuntu was my first every encounter with the mplayer gui, never knew mplayer even had an official gui
[10:14] <jords> What's the root password when booted from the live disc?
[10:14] <bob2> thesaltydog: sounds like usplash being shit
[10:14] <bob2> jords: there isn't one
[10:14] <ghostdog> bob2: it gave me this error" The application K3b(k3b) crashed and caused the signal 6(SIGABRT)" i dont know what to do
[10:14] <jords> Hmm... How do i open up a root terminal then?
[10:15] <Madpilot> jords: use sudo
[10:15] <jords> trying to su does'nt work
[10:15] <jords> k
[10:15] <opteek> jords, sudo xterm or somesuch
[10:15] <bob2> zxsykco: this is linux, not bsd
[10:15] <bob2> zxsykco: install build-essential, the command is "make"
[10:15] <thesaltydog> bob2, I'm not using usplash. I have vga=791 line on my kopt in grub
[10:16] <bob2> okiedokie then
[10:16] <transgress> okay when i direct connect the two computers... i mean like not through a router... how can i get them to see each other... i mean... like they won't have an IP or anything will they?
[10:16] <bob2> transgress: sure they will
[10:16] <bob2> transgress: they don't care if they're plugged into a hub or plugged into each other (with a crossover cable)
[10:16] <bob2> transgress: just setup /etc/network/interfaces correctly on both sides
[10:17] <transgress> k
[10:17] <opteek> and make sure you dont trip over the cables
[10:18] <opteek> bob2, do you know what jedit is
[10:19] <bob2> some sort of crappy non-emacs editor?
[10:19] <Knelix> How do I find Synaptic to install my video driver?
[10:19] <opteek> dude
[10:19] <opteek> emacs should have left with the punch cards
[10:19] <bob2> Knelix: system -> admin -> synaptic
[10:19] <bob2> right, customisation is for chumps
[10:20] <aftertaf> transgress:  and check the cable is plugged in correctly ;)
[10:20] <Knelix> bob2: Thanks. :-)
[10:20] <opteek> is there a special reason why jedit is not in the ubuntu repos
[10:20] <bob2> is it written in java?
[10:21] <David_WI> i need jre but ubuntuguide.org is incorrect it seems. where do i get it ?
[10:21] <opteek> azureus is in the repos
[10:21] <volvoguy> bob2, yes. it is.
[10:21] <aftertaf> David_WI:  in multiverse... j2re
[10:21] <bob2> that would be why then
[10:21] <BenderNZ> please to not be downing the jedit !
[10:21] <opteek> a.z.u.r.e.u.s
[10:21] <David_WI> oh multiverse
[10:21] <David_WI> no wonder
[10:21] <David_WI> thnx
[10:21] <bob2> opteek: free software not being in ubunt is a factor of people not caring enough to put it there
[10:21] <opteek> oh... i see
[10:22] <bob2> if you want it, and it's DFSG-Free, you can join #ubuntu-motu and stat the process of putting it there
[10:22] <bob2> requiring non-free java is pretty shit, tho
[10:22] <opteek> i think
[10:22] <aftertaf> i am
[10:22] <aftertaf> :)
[10:22] <opteek> this obsession so many people have with totally free software is largely silly
[10:22] <opteek> and very impractical
[10:23] <bob2> ha ha ha
[10:23] <bob2> it worked so poorly, too
[10:23] <bob2> everyone should have just used proprietary unix
[10:23] <bob2> then we'd all be happier
[10:23] <bob2> oh, wait
[10:23] <Knelix> Where is the terminal? I have lost it...
[10:23] <opteek> there are shades of grey between open and closed source
[10:23] <bob2> insisting on free software got us an entire free OS
[10:23] <opteek> no need to be fanatical
[10:23] <Knelix> Oh..
[10:24] <dooglus> bob2: thanks for your help.  sysctl was the answer.  and -P works by the way, but isn't documented.  I'm raising a bug for it now.
[10:24] <Knelix> Sorry.. found it
[10:24] <bob2> Knelix: applications -> system
[10:24] <bob2> dooglus: ah, great
[10:24] <Almindor> is libc package broken in breezy?
[10:24] <bob2> Almindor: why do you think that?
[10:25] <aftertaf> the free part of the software means people can poke around and improve it.
[10:25] <Almindor> I get lotsa undefined references out of a sudden
[10:25] <Knelix> Uhm... How do I make the terminal a window again (no menu bar)- that is switch from full screen to widow?
[10:25] <bob2> Almindor: when running...
[10:25] <Knelix> *window
[10:26] <opteek> aftertaf, there are many licences which are 'open source' in the practical sense of the word, but that doesn't stop some people from nitpicking and boycotting just because
[10:26] <Almindor> bob2, when linking
[10:26] <opteek> as if life was made up of principles or something
[10:26] <bob2> opteek: e.g.?
[10:26] <Knelix> ok.. got it...
[10:26] <bob2> Almindor: when linking *what*?
[10:26] <David_WI> hey exactly what is the package name for the jre in multiverse and is the repo url correct at ubuntuguide.org?
[10:26] <Almindor> dlopen() :)
[10:27] <aftertaf> opteek:  i repsect both your pov, but i believe my principles make me what i am and how i act.
[10:27] <bob2> you're dlopen()ing things in libc6?
[10:27] <bob2> then you've already lost
[10:27] <Almindor> why so?
[10:27] <bob2> David_WI: its only in breezy
[10:27] <Almindor> was it moved?
[10:27] <aftertaf> David_WI:  search for j2re
[10:27] <Knelix> I am tired..
[10:28] <aftertaf> crud, i forgot not everyone is on breezy... :/ sorry Davey
[10:28] <aftertaf> er David_WI ...
[10:28] <David_WI> oh great this is my sisters 5.04 box
[10:28] <opteek> so.. if i wrote some software, and adopted a hypothetical licence which allowed you to do whatever you want with my software, open source and all, with the caveat that i may rescind this 'feature' at any time
[10:28] <Almindor> bob2, explain please, was dlopen() moved out of libc?
[10:29] <bob2> Almindor: what? no
[10:29] <bob2> opteek: then you're being an ass
[10:29] <opteek> maybe
[10:29] <bob2> opteek: and it's not free software if you can change your mind later
[10:29] <bob2> opteek: what happens to the 500 000 people using it in ubuntu?
[10:30] <Almindor> bob2, you sayed "then you've already lost" what did you mean by that?
[10:30] <bob2> Almindor: I thought you were trying to dlopen() libc6 itself
[10:30] <Almindor> bob2, nah :)
[10:30] <Plazgoth> Does anyone have time for a Q?
[10:31] <aftertaf> Plazgoth:  fire away
[10:31] <bob2> Almindor: put the error in #flood or something
[10:31] <opteek> but, shouldn't the individual user have the right to choose for himself what software he wants
[10:31] <Plazgoth> I got it Breezy up and running and did all the updates
[10:31] <opteek> newbie users are effectively constrained to the software available in the repositories
[10:31] <opteek> they are not going to go and fetch something elsewhere
[10:31] <Plazgoth> I am getting this error when it tries to upgrade x-common
[10:31] <aftertaf> opteek 17000+ free packages.
[10:31] <Plazgoth> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.07_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/X11/fonts', which is also in package xfonts-base
[10:32] <volvoguy> opteek, how about windows users that don't have software repositories? does that mean they have zero choice?
[10:32] <aftertaf> Plazgoth:  try dpkg-reconfigure... on xfonts-base and on xfs
[10:32] <Almindor> bob2, I think I found the cause..
[10:33] <opteek> installation of windows software is in the majority of cases trivial to the majority of people
[10:33] <Plazgoth> This is my first day with ubuntu so I am not sure how to get by that error
[10:33] <opteek> you download an exe and double click
[10:33] <aftertaf> volvoguy:  exactly.....    repository is not a restraint, its a regrouping of a lot of free stuff reunited and precompiled to save us all from ./configure && make && make install : without even thinking of updates.
[10:33] <aftertaf> opteek:  if it isnt in a repository, you can get a tarball.
[10:33] <twibbler> opteek: only because they have got used to it ... Linux software in most cases is easy to install ...
[10:33] <bob2> opteek: you're welcome to create your own version of ubuntu that alters the default sources.list if you reallly care
[10:34] <opteek> i dont, though
[10:34] <ColonelKernel> jesus h christ make-kpkg takes a long time
[10:34] <aftertaf> Plazgoth:  hmmm... maybe you shouldnt be on breezy then..... ;)
[10:34] <Madpilot> opteek: and installation via Synaptic is even easier - and a lot safer...
[10:34] <aftertaf> Plazgoth:  does your X server work ok?
[10:35] <Plazgoth> Seems to be
[10:35] <opteek> Madpilot, safer then what
[10:35] <ghostdog> my k3b still crashed :(
[10:35] <aftertaf> ok.... good ;)   dont worry about it for now then.
[10:35] <aftertaf> ghostdog:  file a bug... (i sympathise, though...)
[10:35] <Madpilot> opteek: safer than a lot of random exes off the web?
[10:36] <opteek> what distros did you guys use before ubuntu started
[10:36] <aftertaf> we have a windows park here with 500+ pcs. they all are to the eyes with spyware thx to IE, even though we surf via a proxy.
[10:37] <aftertaf> opteek:  debian(80%) / mandrake(20%)
[10:37] <volvoguy> opteek, slackware for almost 10 years.
[10:37] <aftertaf> ^^hardcore ;)
[10:37] <dalamar> i switched from fc4
[10:37] <opteek> thats funny aftertaf , ubuntu seems to me to be roughly a hybrid of debian and mandrake in those proportions :)
[10:38] <opteek> slack was my first distro
[10:38] <aftertaf> lol
[10:38] <Madpilot> opteek: WinXP... ;) ... this is my first distro...
[10:38] <opteek> congrats
[10:38] <aftertaf> yeah... i 2nd that
[10:39] <volvoguy> slackware was a good learning experience, but it's different enough from debian that i still get lost from time to time.
[10:39] <valtea> hello
[10:39] <valtea> can someone help me install my GTK
[10:40] <twibbler> opteek: over the last few months I have evaluated various distro's but only ubuntu has come upto scratch to replace the xp systems ...
[10:40] <volvoguy> valtea, can you elaborate? GTK is installed as part of Gnome.
[10:40] <aftertaf> best way to connect with ethernet modem = pppoe or rp-pppoe (new modemas of yesterday:)
[10:40] <Knelix> ugh
[10:40] <aftertaf> twibbler:  and its just a start
[10:41] <valtea> i'm getting Package pango was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[10:41] <valtea> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `pango.pc'
[10:41] <valtea> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[10:41] <valtea> No package 'pango' found
[10:41] <bob2> valtea: install gnome-devel
[10:41] <bob2> valtea: but what your trying to compile?
[10:41] <Knelix> I messed up the X win server by installing the nvidia driver...
[10:41] <opteek> twibbler, yeah, i think ubuntu has the best desktop out of the box
[10:41] <Knelix> How do I get my graphical environment back?
[10:41] <aftertaf> Knelix:  breezy?   prop or ubuntu driver?
[10:41] <valtea> actually i tried to install xfce4-4.2.2-installer.ban
[10:41] <twibbler> aftertaf: Yep we are moving all desktops to ubuntu .. (Well as soon as I resolve this sound problem)...
[10:41] <valtea> actually i tried to install xfce4-4.2.2-installer.bin
[10:41] <aftertaf> twibbler:  way to go :)
[10:42] <bob2> valtea: er, you know xfce4 is in ubuntu, right?
[10:42] <Knelix> aftertaf: Yes, breezy... uhm.. I used the driver Synaptic gave me..
[10:42] <twibbler> and as it is a crappie hardware problem ... new sound card will resolve it ...
[10:42] <aftertaf> would be easier...
[10:42] <valtea> nope
[10:42] <valtea> does it come with ubuntu
[10:42] <aftertaf> Knelix:  ok.. its a bit broken right now it seems...... change your driver to "vesa" for today.....
[10:43] <volvoguy> valtea, the package is called "xfce4".
[10:43] <Knelix> aftertaf: How do I do that?
[10:43] <aftertaf> Knelix:  what is the specific error message?
[10:43] <twibbler> opteek: also rumour is new version of windows needs 2gb mem to run ..
[10:43] <valtea> volvoguy, how do i install it
[10:43] <valtea> i mean configure / enable
[10:43] <aftertaf> Knelix:  edit  your /etc/X11/xorg.conf....
[10:43] <bachler> has anyone had trouble playing mpeg-2 formats (mainly with .vob files) in mplayer gotten throught an apt-get install? i says that something is wrong with the ao , regardless of which one i try (sdl, alsa, oss a.s.o.) then mplayer crasches (null works though) but there is no such problem with any other video-formats..?
[10:43] <atha> valtea: "sudo apt-get install xfce4"
[10:43] <aftertaf> Knelix:  sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf          and scroll down till you see "nvidia", change it to "vesa"
[10:44] <volvoguy> valtea, atha types faster than me.
[10:44] <gerarcone> what newsreader client do you use?
[10:44] <gerarcone> i think evolution is too complicated
[10:44] <valtea> :)
[10:44] <Knelix> aftertaf: Well, something about X not being able to start... there's text on the screen, kinda jumbled on the sides. How do I config that?..... ok... but it seems to be hanging (on checking battery status).
[10:44] <valtea> its installing now
[10:44] <opteek> twibbler, you mean longhorn? i ran that on 512
[10:44] <valtea> :)
[10:44] <atha> and bunch of other additional packages, find with "apt-cache search xfce4"
[10:44] <volvoguy> valtea, you can also use synaptic if you'd rather use a gui.
[10:44] <valtea> i nearly gave up
[10:44] <valtea> so i came here as the last resort
[10:44] <aftertaf> Knelix:  nope for the battery, press Alt+F1
[10:44] <Knelix> ok!
[10:44] <twibbler> opteek: but not finished yet ... and im only going by rumour ...
[10:45] <valtea> synaptic ?? where is that?
[10:45] <humulus> it sucks, no support for cpu freq scaling with celeron m cpus :(
[10:45] <volvoguy> we're full of all kinds of useless.. er. useful information.
[10:45] <Madpilot> valtea: System menu - Admin - Synaptic Packag Mngr
[10:45] <aftertaf> Knelix:  does it say, no screens found? or cant load module, or sth like that?
[10:45] <valtea> okay
[10:45] <valtea> :)
[10:45] <aftertaf> volvoguy:  hehe totally:)
[10:45] <valtea> thanks alot
[10:45] <valtea> nice support
[10:45] <valtea> :)
[10:45] <valtea> i'll come again if i have some more problem
[10:46] <aftertaf> valtea:  you come here, you ask for help, you hang around, you end up replying to others :)
[10:46] <boulabytes> Bonjour
[10:46] <aftertaf> hello ;)
[10:46] <valtea> yeah will be here
[10:46] <bachler> has anyone had trouble playing mpeg-2 formats (mainly with .vob files) in mplayer gotten throught an apt-get install? i says that something is wrong with the ao , regardless of which one i try (sdl, alsa, oss a.s.o.) then mplayer crasches (null works though) but there is no such problem with any other video-formats..?...
[10:46] <valtea> i wonder what level of help i will be able to give.. since i'm newbie
[10:46] <aftertaf> boulabytes:  how's montpellier uni ??
[10:46] <valtea> but i would rather stay
[10:46] <volvoguy> speaking of.... 6 hours after i sign on, i should probably ask my question. are there any hard drive experts in here atm? like... forensic-type experts? i have a 250Gb drive with a single ext3 partition that apparently has a bad superblock. :( i want my data back.
[10:47] <valtea> so that i can learn from u guys
[10:47] <boulabytes> nice ;)
[10:47] <Knelix> aftertaf: It says "command not found".
[10:47] <Knelix> :-/
[10:47] <ColonelKernel> volvoguy, use the livecd or knoppix
[10:47] <aftertaf> valtea:  thats what 'm doing.... ubuntu since last month ;)
[10:47] <volvoguy> valtea, just hang around. soon you'll know the answers to questions and be able to type faster than some of us. :)
[10:48] <valtea> volvoguy, i dont know if it supports ext3
[10:48] <volvoguy> ColonelKernel, any specific tools? I've already thrown "gpart" at it and it didn't detect the partition table.
[10:48] <valtea> but there are some
[10:48] <valtea> windows programs
[10:48] <valtea> which can recoiver datas
[10:48] <ColonelKernel> volvoguy, then your drive is screwed and youve lost all the data on it
[10:48] <ColonelKernel> time to reformat
[10:48] <volvoguy> valtea, i've tried a few. not much luck.
[10:48] <Knelix> aftertaf: I had written it wrong... got it now..
[10:49] <aftertaf> Knelix:  hehe ok.... scroll down and you'll find the video card section.
[10:49] <volvoguy> ColonelKernel, unfortunately this is a "time to spend a lot of money to get your data back".
[10:49] <ColonelKernel> volvoguy, :((
[10:49] <volvoguy> i was in the process of saving for a second drive to do RAID1 for a little safety net. i didn't get that far though.
[10:50] <Knelix> aftertaf: I see "Screen" with the text "NVIDIA Corporation NV34 (GeForce FX 5200)"
[10:50] <valtea> volvoguy,  try steller
[10:50] <volvoguy> i noticed there's a package in universe called "forensic tools" (or something similar). is anyone familiar with that?
[10:51] <aftertaf> Knelix:  nearly .....
[10:51] <thesaltydog> with latest kernle update (-9) I loast my console display. Can't see the booting process. Also, linux-restricted modules (-9) is not installed as it is broken..
[10:52] <aftertaf> Knelix:  up a bit, scetion "device"
[10:52] <^rob1> hi
[10:52] <volvoguy> valtea, ok. will do. I've already tried "Nucleus" and "RLinux" - neither could detect the partition.
[10:52] <kemik> volvoguy:  it turns you in to one of the CSI:Miami policetechs ;)
[10:52] <aftertaf> thesaltydog:  it seems so, yes :/
[10:52] <Knelix> ok... "nvidia"
[10:52] <volvoguy> kemik, rock on! i should have installed it months ago!
[10:52] <Knelix> aftertaf: I change "nvidia" to "VESA"?
[10:52] <aftertaf> lol kemik .....
[10:52] <thesaltydog> aftertaf, so, it is known.. it's not my fault :-)
[10:52] <aftertaf> Knelix:  to "vesa"
[10:52] <^rob1> how do i update a package - i have skype x.12 and the new ver is x,17 - is threre a way to update the package using dpkg ??
[10:53] <Knelix> aftertaf: ok... done.
[10:53] <aftertaf> ^rob1:  did you install with apt from their repos?
[10:53] <volvoguy> aftertaf, wouldn't "nv" be better for Knelix ?
[10:53] <^rob1> or i must purge skype then reinstall
[10:53] <aftertaf> Knelix:  ok... you on gnome or kde?
[10:53] <^rob1> no skype is not in the repo
[10:53] <^rob1> i installed using dpkg -
[10:53] <Knelix> aftertaf: Gnome
[10:53] <^rob1> dpkg -i packagename.deb
[10:53] <aftertaf> volvoguy:  dunno..... seems that could be broken right now in breezy.....
[10:53] <aftertaf> Knelix:  ok... type sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[10:53] <volvoguy> aftertaf, it's not. i have the same card.
[10:54] <volvoguy> aftertaf, "nvidia" is indeed broken though.
[10:54] <aftertaf> volvoguy:  heheok.... he can change it with gedit once X up :)
[10:54] <aftertaf> volvoguy:  good to know ;) thx
[10:54] <volvoguy> aftertaf, anytime. :)
[10:54] <Knelix> nv or vesa? hmm....
[10:54] <aftertaf> volvoguy is nowknown as Grisham ;)
[10:55] <aftertaf> Knelix:  seems you can use nv too....   vesa is a genric for all cards.
[10:55] <kemik> volvoguy:  there are a few programs out there to recover "lost data" ... but if you *really* want that data back you could contact a professional service
[10:55] <volvoguy> i don't get it.
[10:55] <Knelix> Anyway, how do I get out of here?
[10:55] <aftertaf> volvoguy:  CSI ;)
[10:55] <Knelix> Out of "GNU nano"?
[10:55] <volvoguy> aftertaf, oooooh. gotcha. :)
[10:55] <Knelix> How do I save and exit?
[10:55] <valtea> volvoguy, you can try http://www.unistal.com/quick_recovery_LINUX.html and http://www.stellarinfo.com/linux-data-recovery.htm
[10:56] <^rob1> ??
[10:56] <volvoguy> kemik, the drive will sit in a closet for a year before i can afford a professional service. if i can even save 50% of the data myself, i'd be happy.
[10:56] <aftertaf> Knelix:  Ctl + X   itll ask to confirm save before exit
[10:56] <atha> "nv" seems to work fine for me, breezy with the card gf5200 afaik
[10:57] <larsrohdin> Hi, I read on slashdot that open office 1.1.5 has been released. When will it be available from apt-get, or is there some repositories I can add to download it?
[10:57] <Knelix> aftertaf: It's telling me "Permission Denied"....
[10:57] <larsrohdin> Im using Hoary now
[10:58] <aftertaf> Knelix:  did you run nano with sudo???? (sudo nano yourfile)
[10:58] <kemik> larsrohdin:  possibly in breezy, or wait for it to appear in backports
[10:58] <^rob1> well?
[10:58] <aftertaf> Knelix:  if not, quit out, do it again with sudo (and put nv ;) )
[10:58] <larsrohdin> kemik, ok... how is breezy now? is it stable?
[10:58] <Knelix> aftertaf: I thought it would already recognize me as root... <sigh>
[10:58] <volvoguy> valtea, thanks. i think i ran across both of those in my search last night, but started out with the less expensive options first. i'll give those a try next. i do find it a bit odd that there are so many linux data recovery programs that run on windows. *shrug*
[10:59] <aftertaf> Knelix:  you arent root though, right?
[10:59] <dooglus> bob2: in case you care...  the -P flag to klogd tells it to read from a different place than the default /proc/kmsg which is only readable by root.  it means that klogd doesn't need to run as root.
[10:59] <Adross> running ubuntu breezy via vmware. However, when i try to change the resolution, I am presented with a series of brown lines. As vmware does not interface directly with ones 3d card, installing a driver is impossible. So does anyone know how i can change the res, without getting these brown lines of death?
[10:59] <kemik> think they're bug-hunting.. i'd wait till 0ct13 to be sure
[10:59] <aftertaf> windows BSOD breezy vmware BLOD :)
[10:59] <larsrohdin> ok, I guess I can wait 'til then as well...
[11:00] <valtea> okay comming bak to my xfce
[11:00] <volvoguy> uh oh. lupin is on. i think that marks my bedtime.
[11:01] <valtea> i think the installatyion have went correctly
[11:01] <valtea> but now
[11:01] <valtea> how will i use use it
[11:01] <valtea> i mean
[11:01] <Knelix> aftertaf: Restarting
[11:01] <valtea> i wanted my ubuntu to look like windows
[11:01] <aftertaf> valtea:  log out of X, and choose xfce in the session manager
[11:01] <aftertaf> Knelix:  ok... ;)
[11:01] <volvoguy> valtea, just log out of gnome (log out, end session) and when you log back in, click on the sessions button and select XFCE.
[11:02] <bob2> dooglus: ahhh
[11:02] <valtea> aftertaf,  can i make it default?
[11:02] <aftertaf> valtea:  i wanted my windows to look like an OS ;)
[11:02] <^rob1> ok
[11:02] <^rob1> part
[11:02] <aftertaf> session manager should open the last one u used.
[11:02] <volvoguy> valtea, yeah. you can.
[11:02] <Knelix> valtea: Why? Dump that pile of crap... explore new looks and ways of interacting.
[11:03] <valtea> actually we are planning to implement Ubuntu in our office
[11:03] <valtea> and users have to be little familiar
[11:03] <valtea> :)
[11:03] <valtea> BRB
[11:03] <volvoguy> o
[11:03] <volvoguy> oops.
[11:04] <volvoguy> i'm turning in for the night. thanks for all the help everyone! see ya tomorrow!
[11:04] <Knelix> valtea: I understand. But it would be a great disservice to Linux if all users expected and wanted it to look like Windoze or any other OS.
[11:04] <bigfoot1> has anydown gotten the free (no-ads) opera yet? There is a .deb file available tailored just for UBuntu. How do I install the deb file?
[11:04] <bigfoot1> correction: "has any one..."
[11:04] <dooglus> I see ubuntu has a fridge now!
[11:04] <[Wiebel] > er?
[11:05] <goo_> bigfoot1: download it from opera.com and do  dpkg -i <file>.deb
[11:05] <goo_> bigfoot1: sudo dpkg -i <file>.deb
[11:05] <bigfoot1> thanks goo_ ! have you installed it yoursef?
[11:05] <Orunitia> why is it... that synaptic insisted on removing every last x.org file
[11:05] <goo_> bigfoot1: Yes. But it still sucks even if it's ad-free, imnsho.
[11:06] <bigfoot1> i like firefox, but i don't use it because of memory leaks. When it gets fixed, then maybe I'll return to fx.
[11:06] <dooglus> bigfoot1: I tried the ubuntu package but it didn't work (with breezy).  I ended up with the opera-static .deb file, and that's working great.
[11:06] <goo_> bigfoot1: you got too little memory, then ;)
[11:06] <bigfoot1> dooglus, i use hoary. do you think it will be fine?
[11:06] <Orunitia> can anyone help me get  my graphics working again?
[11:06] <dooglus> bigfoot1: you could try it...
[11:06] <bigfoot1> goo_, yes, i have a 4 year old computer.
[11:06] <deFrysk> Orunitia, did you actually remove xorg ?
[11:06] <Orunitia> I didn't notice it in the 300 some odd updates and did on accident
[11:07] <bigfoot1> goo_, maybe one day i can get another pc. but for now this one will do for basic stuff.
[11:07] <Orunitia> just installed a fresh breezy and didn't think it would do anything THAT stupid
[11:07] <dooglus> bigfoot1: I think the problem was that it was dynamically linked against a qt (kde) library.  I don't have that filth on my machine.  :)
[11:07] <deFrysk> Orunitia, always keep your eyes open in in unstable/breezy
[11:07] <Orunitia> deFrysk, indeed... still didn't think the default thing it would do first is remove x.org
[11:08] <dooglus> dpkg said:  opera depends on libqt3c102-mt; however:
[11:08] <dooglus>   Package libqt3c102-mt is not installed.
[11:08] <bigfoot1> dooglus, goo_ , the deb file i downloaded is named blahblahSARGEblahblah.deb. will a sarge work fine on a hoary?
[11:08] <deFrysk> Orunitia, just wait till the deps match again and do a dist-upgrade then
[11:08] <Knelix> My DE has frozen <sigh>....
[11:09] <dooglus> bigfoot1: that's the one I'm talking about.  it seems to want 'libqt3c102-mt' installed, which isn't in the (breezy) repositories.
[11:09] <deFrysk> why did stupid opera go free ?
[11:09] <cOrdon> Hi!
[11:09] <deFrysk> everyone having probs installing it
[11:09] <deFrysk> no wonder it went free
[11:09] <bigfoot1> deFrysk, i think coz they want to garner the multitudes. now they make money with support service.
[11:10] <Madpilot> bigfoot1: the Opera 8.5 I installed yesterday was <something>sarge<something> and it's running fine
[11:10] <deFrysk> bigfoot1, like embedded
[11:10] <bigfoot1> dooglus, i had no error messages when i did that sudo dpkg -i <file>.deb command.
[11:10] <cOrdon> I want to install 5.10 preview. Will I be able to upgrade to final by apt-get dist-upgrade?
[11:10] <dooglus> deFrysk: they make most of their money from selling their browser for embedded systems (organisers, phones and the like) anyway.  giving it away on the desktop will increase userbase and hence compatability
[11:10] <dooglus> bigfoot1: you're probably ok then
[11:10] <bob2> ubotu: opera is If you're using hoary, install libqt3c102-mt.  If you're using breezy, libqt3-mt.
[11:10] <ubotu> ...but opera is already something else...
[11:10] <aftertaf> cOrdon:  yes you will.
[11:10] <bigfoot1> thanks, dooglus.
[11:10] <bob2> ubotu: opera depends is If you're using hoary, install libqt3c102-mt.  If you're using breezy, libqt3-mt.
[11:10] <ubotu> bob2: okay
[11:10] <valtea> this xfce did not work as i think
[11:10] <valtea> lol
[11:10] <Madpilot> !tell bigfoot1 about opera
[11:11] <dooglus> !tell me about opera
[11:11] <cOrdon> aftertaf: that's nice. will it work *in practice* without hassles?
[11:11] <aftertaf> valtea:  stick with gnome or kde if your pc is recent enough.....
[11:11] <Almindor> bob2, it seems 2.3.5 has only __libc_dlclose while 2.3.4 also has _dl_close
[11:11] <ColonelKernel> how do I disable the graphical boot in breexy?
[11:11] <aftertaf> cOrdon:  it is mostly stable (sometimes ;)) in practise yeah....
[11:11] <bigfoot1> !tell madpilot about thanks
[11:12] <Madpilot> !botsnack
[11:12] <ubotu> :)
[11:12] <deFrysk> lol bigfoot1
[11:12] <aftertaf> cOrdon:  but if you need to tinker around a bit, mak sure you know how to (getting X working etc)
[11:12] <Knelix> When will Breezy Badger become an official (non-preview) release?
[11:12] <bigfoot1> !tell DeFrysk about lol
[11:12] <deFrysk> :D
[11:13] <bigfoot1> !tell DeFrysk about emoticons
[11:13] <aftertaf> Knelix:  oct 13
[11:13] <aftertaf> 20 days and counting.... ;)
[11:13] <Knelix> aftertaf: Cool. :-)
[11:13] <bob2> Almindor: you're really only using dlclose()?
[11:13] <cOrdon> aftertaf: ok, i'll try it. i'm an experienced user. just wanted some comment, thank you!
[11:13] <bob2> Almindor: touching symbols starting with _ sounds like something only people who hack libc should be doing
[11:14] <aftertaf> cOrdon:  it is quite wrth the wait, and im not that experiences but i get around and make it work all the same ;)
[11:14] <bigfoot1> thanks for helping me with opera, dooglus, Madpilot
[11:14] <Madpilot> bigfoot1: np
[11:14] <bigfoot1> thanks, goo_
[11:14] <aftertaf> **group hug$$ :)
[11:15] <cOrdon> ;) bye
[11:15] <Almindor> bob2, It's from another language
[11:15] <sorush21> I seem to have opened a virus in Ubuntu, and it initiated wine, it was a .doc file... and my HDD is still working.. can someone help please..
[11:15] <Almindor> bob2, they link to libc to use dlclose() etc.
[11:15] <bob2> sorush21: that was dumb
[11:16] <Almindor> bob2, seems like there were symbol changes between 2.3.4 and 2.3.5 regarding it tho
[11:16] <aftertaf> loool sorush20 :)   it opened wine... that is quite funny
[11:16] <aftertaf> sorry for laughing, but....
[11:16] <bob2> Almindor: what language is this?
[11:16] <aftertaf> sorush20:  sudo killall wine ?
[11:16] <Almindor> bob2, object pascal
[11:16] <bob2> hah
[11:16] <sorush21> bob2: could it effect my computer..
[11:16] <Almindor> bob2, hah?
[11:16] <deFrysk> so thats how you get virusses in a *nix environment ?
[11:17] <aftertaf> virii ;)
[11:17] <Knelix> Okay guys. Thanks for all the help and chat. It's way too late... gotta go to bed... C 'ya. :-)
[11:17] <aftertaf> ;)
[11:17] <deFrysk> aftertaf, virussians , sorry ;p
[11:17] <bob2> sorush21: sure
[11:17] <bob2> sorush21: if you let anythin run as your user, it could delete all your data, then sniff your password and get root via sudo
[11:18] <aftertaf> which is better, pppoe or rp-pppoe?
[11:18] <bob2> ubuntu uses the latter and calls it the former
[11:18] <aftertaf> killall wine would shut it down.
[11:19] <deFrysk> any .exe would startup wine
[11:19] <sorush21> bob2: it has made all these files in the c dirve of the wine directroy..
[11:19] <deFrysk> so a whatever virus.exe also would startup wine
[11:21] <dooglus> deFrysk: I don't think any .exe file is able to affect anything outside of wine
[11:21] <dooglus> deFrysk: it can mess up your pretend windows machine of course
[11:21] <vinboy> hi guys
[11:21] <deFrysk> dooglus, true, making wine a good environment to test virii :D
[11:21] <vinboy> why ma I unable to install the w43codecs
[11:21] <bob2> I'd be really really really surprised if wine was secure in that sense
[11:21] <deFrysk> hmm 34codecs
[11:22] <deFrysk> 43 even
[11:22] <vinboy> lol
[11:22] <vinboy> i mean 32codecs
[11:22] <dooglus> deFrysk: quite often if I download porn from bittorrent it comes as a .exe with a spyware bundle attached.  I can run the .exe in wine to get the porn out, then delete the wine stuff that got infected.
[11:22] <deFrysk> !tell vinboy about restricted formats
[11:22] <opteek> bob2, are you a developer for ubuntu
[11:22] <bob2> opteek: slightly
[11:22] <opteek> bob2, do you maintain any packages
[11:22] <vinboy> cool
[11:23] <bob2> opteek: in debian, yes
[11:23] <opteek> bob2, debian developer?
[11:23] <bob2> opteek: not yet
[11:23] <cheesie> ubotu tell cheesie about java
[11:23] <ColonelKernel> device-mapper: dm-linear: Device lookup failed <-- what does this mean
[11:23] <cheesie> !sunjava
[11:23] <ubotu> For Sun-Java debs add this line to your /etc/apt/sources.list (for hoary) deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ hoary java  ; or go to seveas.ubuntulinux.nl (for Breezy)
[11:23] <opteek> bob2, i used to maintain some packages for sarge
[11:24] <Madpilot> later, all. Need some sleep...
[11:26] <Lutomes> can anyone give me some help installing ubuntu
[11:27] <deFrysk> !tell Lutomes about ask
[11:27] <Lutomes> ohh nice help thingy
[11:28] <deFrysk> Lutomes, ubotu is your friend
[11:28] <sorush20> is there an antivirus program I can run on my computer
[11:28] <twibbler> sorush20: using windows ?......
[11:29] <Lutomes> my problem with the install is i get to a screeen where its about to parittion the disk
[11:29] <Lutomes> and it says "!! Partition disks"
[11:29] <Lutomes> "???   ????"
[11:29] <aftertaf> proxy died again.... reposting what i said into a broken pipe!
[11:29] <aftertaf> bob2:  ok... i had pbs setting up my ethernet modem last night, i got connected, had an IP but it would drop after a few seconds.... found out i didnt have pppoe package instaled.... a good explanation for the pbs.
[11:30] <Lutomes> and wont let me continue
[11:30] <twibbler> sorush20: being serious though antivir has a linux project going on at the moment .....
[11:30] <deFrysk> Lutomes, yes , you need a partition so set up linux on
[11:30] <aftertaf> i installed it and rp-pppoe, but i gather the gui is only for first time connection, right?
[11:30] <sorush20> twibbler: ubuntu..
[11:30] <Lutomes> yeah, but i cant set a parition, it wont let me go any further
[11:30] <aftertaf> sorush20:  yes.... clam, fprot
[11:30] <Lutomes> the drive is a 8gb quantm fireball, and it works fine in windows
[11:30] <deFrysk> Lutomes, want to wipe the whole disk ?
[11:31] <Lutomes> ubuntu detects my 6.4gb drive and goes further in the partition drive screeen - but i dont want to format that other drive
[11:31] <Lutomes> yeah, i'd be fine wiping the whole drive
[11:31] <Lutomes> its an empty 8gb
[11:31] <aftertaf> Lutomes:  maybe a ide master/slave problem... try changing which one it is on.
[11:31] <deFrysk> Lutomes, then select that drive first and let ubuntu partition it
[11:31] <twibbler> aftertaf: Intersting ? do you need a virus checker for Linux?....
[11:31] <aftertaf> twibbler:  nope... ;)    maybe just for mail scanning
[11:31] <Nermal> no
[11:32] <Lutomes> already changed between master/slave, and changing it to the other ide channel and switching master/slave too
[11:32] <deFrysk> Lutomes, what aftertaf said
[11:32] <aftertaf> if you have windows clients ;)
[11:32] <twibbler> aftertaf: exactly ....
[11:32] <aftertaf> Lutomes:  hmmm weird. uncle google come up wth anything?
[11:32] <twibbler> sorush20: does that answer your ? ....
[11:32] <bob2> aftertaf: that' very odd
[11:33] <sorush20> twibbler: yes.. thanks.. but is there a gui for clam
[11:33] <Lutomes> google only says that quantum drives die, but nothing in relation to google
[11:34] <Lutomes> ^^ nothing in relation to ubuntu
[11:34] <twibbler> sorush20: I dont think so which is why I suggested the antivir project for linux... just do a google search for antivir ...
[11:34] <cef> Lutomes: new machine with old drives?
[11:34] <slept> what are the most common filesharing (ports) clients, because I don't do it , I dont know what ports to google for. I want to create some firewall rules
[11:35] <Lutomes> its a slightly old machine, with an mid age drive
[11:35] <Lutomes> the drive works fine in windows, thats whats weird
[11:35] <Lutomes> i might just find another drive and try that first
[11:35] <aftertaf> bob2:  i thgouht so too. but first time with pppoe so i didnt know if id done sth wrong...
[11:35] <Lutomes> then worry about this drive later on
[11:35] <aftertaf> Lutomes:  try switching to console and using fdisk on it.
[11:36] <cef> Lutomes: ahh ok.. just found some drives do weird stuff with master/slave/cable select. I had a new machine on my desk today that required me to use cable select on the drive so that it'd boot.
[11:36] <aftertaf> bob2:  that is why i got rp-pppoe tarball
[11:36] <opteek> slept, why would you want to google port numbers?
[11:36] <leagris> slept, jou may want to close everything from wan incoming connexions except for the ports you realy needs. Though, I recommand seeking somr firewalling tutorials for basic principles.
[11:36] <twibbler> aftertaf: you will appreciate this ... printer not working so checked all settings .. couldn't find anything wrong ... (No paper) .....
[11:36] <slept> opteek, to close them
[11:37] <aftertaf> twibbler:  hehe.... is that cable connected???;)
[11:37] <lala2005> hi
[11:37] <slept> leagris, no Im looking for the outgoing traffic
[11:37] <leagris> slept, recommanded default policy is CLOSED
[11:37] <opteek> slept, why would they be open unless you're running filesharing clients/servers??
[11:37] <aftertaf> slept:  they are closed by default
[11:37] <Lutomes> thanks for the help so far
[11:37] <Lutomes> hopefully i'll get it working
[11:37] <Lutomes> cya
[11:37] <opteek> slept, all ports are closed unless implicitly being used
[11:37] <lala2005> did somebody get the latest version of ubuntu?
[11:37] <aftertaf> lala2005:  a lot of us ;)
[11:38] <slept> aftertaf, no I got a stupid router and I want to stop my users using them/it
[11:38] <opteek> so, how would you guys describe the stability of the unstable branch of ubuntu
[11:38] <lala2005> I didn't now ubuntu had an unstable branch
[11:39] <lala2005> I didn't know ubuntu had an unstable branch
[11:39] <lala2005> does it?
[11:39] <aftertaf> opteek:  not too bad. depends on which day and which broken package....
[11:39] <aftertaf> lala2005:  breezy is the new version. due oct 13th
[11:39] <opteek> lala2005, the latest version is the unstable
[11:39] <leagris> slept, : so you want to deny any destintion ports except some allowed port related to services like HTTP ... ?
[11:39] <^AnK^> helloooo.... newbie here.....
[11:39] <^AnK^> haven't tried ubuntu yet
[11:39] <^AnK^> :D
[11:39] <opteek> ^AnK^, wat are you using
[11:40] <^AnK^> Win XP -.-'
[11:40] <slept> Lutomes, did you try to enter all values for the drive in your bios instead of selecting auto, once that helped me. My problems were caused because of the ide chipset
[11:40] <^AnK^> I have ordered Ubuntu
[11:40] <lala2005> ^AnK^, check http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com - might be of some help to you. It helped me a lot
[11:40] <^AnK^> how long will it take to reach my home?
[11:40] <opteek> do you have high speed internet?
[11:40] <slept> leagris, yes ,but I can only set round 8 roules :(
[11:41] <leagris> slept, that may bi ok with 8 rules though
[11:41] <^AnK^> ehmmmmm
[11:41] <^AnK^> nob
[11:41] <opteek> ^AnK^, why did you choose ubuntu
[11:42] <leagris> slept : lan -> net  TCP/UDP DENY
[11:42] <^AnK^> ah, my friend recommend it
[11:42] <leagris> lan -> NET   TCP Dest port 80 Allow
[11:42] <^AnK^> substitute for the greedy microsoft
[11:42] <lala2005> opteek, I think ubuntu is cool except the sound configuration which sucks
[11:42] <slept> leagris, but if I want to open all ports my users might need other than fileshareing it should be more to configure. I don't want to restrict everything
[11:43] <leagris> lan -> NET  TCP Dest port 443 allow..
[11:43] <opteek> lala2005, what do you mean
[11:43] <heatxsink> is that udev thing alright to update in breezy now?
[11:44] <aftertaf> heatxsink:  yep... fixed.
[11:44] <lala2005> opteek, I meant I had a huge headache in configuring sound in ubuntu which I was able to successfully configure in fedora
[11:44] <kuroy00> any help there w/ regards in installing yahoo messenger
[11:44] <WebLOCH> good day all
[11:44] <heatxsink> so I just update it and I don't have to do anything right
[11:44] <heatxsink> ?
[11:44] <lala2005> opteek, other than that, it is a very good distro fit for new users
[11:44] <aftertaf> kuroy00:  you can use gaim or kopete...
[11:44] <^AnK^> lala2005: I opened the page, but understand nothing... I think I'll just be a spectator... normal user :P
[11:44] <kuroy00> its asking for a libssl0.6 when i have already libssl0.7
[11:44] <opteek> lala2005, oh, i had sound detected auto
[11:44] <aftertaf> heatxsink:  yep update and dist-upgrade
[11:45] <aftertaf> opteek:  me too :)
[11:45] <lala2005> opteek, which sound card do you have
[11:45] <WebLOCH> im looking for some audio assistance
[11:45] <opteek> lala2005, yes, i would say it is the best distro for non computer geeks coming straight from windows
[11:45] <opteek> lala2005, creative soundblaster live gold
[11:46] <WebLOCH> is it possible to force ubuntu to reload all modules without rebooting ?
[11:47] <leagris> WebLOCH, by rerunning udev ?
[11:47] <WebLOCH> leagris, I don't understand what you mean, im stilla  n00b
[11:47] <leagris> WebLOCH,  sudo /etc/init.d/udev restart
[11:47] <WebLOCH> leagris,  I added some aliases i think are incorrect
[11:47] <WebLOCH> agg
[11:47] <WebLOCH> ahh
[11:47] <leagris> It will regenerate the devices
[11:48] <slept> WebLOCH, with lsmod you get a list of your loaded modules , with rmmod you can remove them with insmod you can load them
[11:48] <heatxsink> anyone in here have problems setting up LIRC in breezy?
[11:48] <WebLOCH> thanks slept, but it was reloading rather than manually doing all
[11:48] <heatxsink> and the madwifi drivers too?
[11:48] <WebLOCH> Anyone fancy tackling my audio problems?  I have a common realtek card...
[11:48] <kuroy00> does ubuntu automatically mount Floppy Disks?
[11:49] <slept> WebLOCH, if you got a soud problem there shouldn't be problems with the non sound modules
[11:49] <WebLOCH> slept, I didnt say that there was...
[11:49] <aftertaf> kuroy00:  dont think so... its more mechanical than a flashdrive or cd.
[11:49] <twibbler> Webloch: is it built into the main board or a seperate card ?...
[11:49] <WebLOCH> slept, I attempted to load some sound modules as none were loaded...
[11:50] <WebLOCH> twibbler, integrated High Def Audio
[11:50] <WebLOCH> twibbler,  part of an ASUS P5WD2 Premium
[11:50] <kuroy00> so how can I access/open floppy drives?
[11:50] <WebLOCH> Apparently ALSA is installed correctly
[11:51] <aftertaf> kuroy00:  mount /media/floppy
[11:51] <slept> WebLOCH, what are your soundproblems ? you got /dev/dsp ?
[11:51] <twibbler> WebLoch: I have same problem with integrated realtek card .... need to recompile the Asla driver ... which I cannot seem to do .... on the Realtek web site they have a driver download ... which is the Alsa source ... but it wont recompile ...
[11:51] <Orunitia> okay why exactly does apt want to remove all of my x.org files again?....
[11:51] <WebLOCH> twibbler,  it doesnt need that I was in here a few days ago and someone helped me fix it without going through the recompiling route
[11:52] <ColonelKernel> it works!!!!
[11:52] <ol> is this the place i can ask questions without getting yelled at?
[11:52] <aftertaf> Orunitia:  did you annoy it?;)
[11:52] <WebLOCH> slept, I have no audio device registered with the system, someone helped me fix it a few days ago, but a poor upgrade to breezy left me needing to format
[11:52] <ColonelKernel> can anyone tell me what the heck EVMS is
[11:52] <twibbler> WebLOCH: oh now im interested .... HOW! ......
[11:52] <Orunitia> aftertaf , other way around
[11:52] <aftertaf> ol:  yes... but dont paste or flod or you will get yelled at :] 
[11:52] <ColonelKernel> is that for managing raid arrays and the such?
[11:52] <aftertaf> Orunitia:  ;)
[11:52] <WebLOCH> twibbler, I wish I could remember, there was definately no compiling involved and I already had the latest version of Alsa, as I do now...
[11:53] <aftertaf> Orunitia:  breezy or hoary?
[11:53] <Orunitia> breezy
[11:53] <talios> Orunitia, snap - I see my apt wanting to remove all the X.org as well ( breazy )
[11:53] <kuroy00> i tried "sudo mount /media/floppy" but nothing happen
[11:53] <aftertaf> Orunitia:  ok. latest update you're doing?
[11:53] <Orunitia> guess I'm not doing updates for a while :\
[11:53] <ol> jawsome, heres my problem... Seems like there are a couple threads on it with no real resolution.. Im trying to install ubuntu on my new laptop and it freezes on the first reboot after copying stuff after the CD... always while trying to start hotplug
[11:53] <Orunitia> I just downloaded this iso tonight
[11:53] <atha> kuroy00: try "mount /media/floppy0"
[11:53] <WebLOCH> ol,  is that the breezy install ?
[11:53] <Orunitia> talios: at least I'm not the only one
[11:54] <ol> believe so
[11:54] <atha> at least in this system the fstab entry points to /media/floppy0
[11:54] <ColonelKernel> !evms
[11:54] <ubotu> hmm... evms is the "Enterprise Volume Management System"
[11:54] <ol> i can tell you in a second when it reboots, im doing the install again
[11:54] <talios> aftertaf, I see the same as Orunitia - latest updates seem to want to remove X
[11:54] <talios> X.org that it
[11:54] <WebLOCH> ol, my copy of breezy does the same because it doesnt like my mouse/keyb set, I assume its just a bug
[11:54] <Orunitia> talios: not that it's a good thing it's doing that for you too >_> just nice to know it's not only my problem
[11:54] <talios> is - gah
[11:54] <twibbler> WebLOCH: I also have latest alsa but using Hoary... tried breezy same problem ... need to resolve though .... as Im about to put in seperate sound card .. could do without the expense ..
[11:54] <ColonelKernel> yeah - so a regular ol home user with the basic /boot, /, swap setup wont be using evms right?
[11:54] <ol> well is there a way to fix it?
[11:55] <ol> this is a laptop so obviously i cant change the keyboard and mouse
[11:55] <aftertaf> talios:  Orunitia checking now.
[11:55] <WebLOCH> twibbler, im about 100% sure it can be fixed, Im trying to remember who helped before, dabaR referred me to the guy, he was in here
[11:55] <talios> Orunitia, do you have nvidia drivers or anything installed?
[11:55] <Orunitia> I shouldn't
[11:55] <aftertaf> better to avoid it right now ;)
[11:55] <WebLOCH> ol, I don't know if it is your key/mouse, I assume its something else, but I don't know how to fix it, so I just reverted  to Hoary
[11:55] <talios> aftertaf, I see x-common wanting to be updated, maybe thats got a conflict
[11:55] <WebLOCH> twibbler, I think it was bob2
[11:55] <ol> i dont really understand the differences between hoary and breezy
[11:55] <aftertaf> bob2:  aware of breezy update removing X ????
[11:56] <sedak> hello
[11:56] <aftertaf> ol:  one has X the other hasn't ;)
[11:56] <ol> well what am i going to do without X?
[11:56] <talios> xorg-common vs x-common
[11:56] <twibbler> WebLOCH: bob2 is here ... ive seen him .....
[11:56] <aftertaf> leave as is for now.......
[11:56] <talios> aftertaf,  (xorg-common was one being removed)
[11:56] <Orunitia> talios: odd, I don't have an nvidia card (laptop, integrated crap) but I have nvidia stuff installed
[11:56] <ol> im too new to understand these things :)
[11:56] <WebLOCH> twibbler, he may not actually be around tho, lets find out...
[11:56] <WebLOCH> bob2, you there?
[11:56] <marcin_ant> hi all
[11:56] <cef> talios: just do a default upgrade.. or apt-get upgrade
[11:56] <aftertaf> !pastebin
[11:56] <talios> Orunitia, you probably have the free nvidia stuff by default ( i see my X.org has drivers for everything installed as well )
[11:56] <ubotu> I heard pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:57] <cef> talios: and it won't remove packages.. it won't install everything, but hey
[11:57] <marcin_ant> I need some help with syslog configuration - could someone help me?
[11:57] <talios> cef, yep.
[11:57] <aftertaf> Orunitia:  talios i have no nvidia on laptop, but have X being removed if i update too.....
[11:57] <twibbler> WebLOCH: guess we should wait for him to come back ?....
[11:57] <WebLOCH> twibbler, if im not mistaken he is on USA time
[11:57] <sedak> just to confirm a bug, is anyone can try to browse http://api.openoffice.org/docs/DevelopersGuide/Spreadsheet/Spreadsheet.htm#1+1+Overview with the current breezy firefox and tell me if that works ?
[11:57] <bob2> aftertaf: yes
[11:57] <bob2> WebLOCH: ?
[11:57] <WebLOCH> hey bob2
[11:57] <WebLOCH> I believe ytou helped me solve some sound problems the other day?
[11:58] <Orunitia> aftertaf talios: This seems to be a pretty big bug o_O
[11:58] <talios> aftertaf, do you see x-common being updated?  I suspect its being pulled in from somewhere, and conflicting with xorg-common
[11:58] <BooYaaKaa> h/p
[11:58] <bob2> talios: it's a bug in breezy
[11:58] <bob2> but seriously, people
[11:58] <talios> Orunitia, well breazy IS a dev "bound to break" distro
[11:58] <bob2> you don't ever let apt do upgrades without watching what it's doing
[11:58] <aftertaf> X BREEZY BUG >>>>>>>>>     http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2453
[11:58] <Orunitia> talios: of course
[11:58] <cef> bob2: exactly
[11:58] <deus> Where should i install the java JRE file?
[11:59] <bob2> aftertaf: yes, don't let it do it
[11:59] <aftertaf> maybe shold put sth in the topic???? or is it to be fixed sharpish....
[11:59] <bob2> WebLOCH: I don't know
[11:59] <bob2> aftertaf: it's fixed already
[11:59] <aftertaf> lol
[11:59] <aftertaf> :)
[11:59] <deus> Some say /usr/local some say /usr/java
[11:59] <Echelon-H> what's the command for ubuntu update manager?
[11:59] <aftertaf> just waiting for debs to be updated then.....
[11:59] <jmg> arrgh
[11:59] <BooYaaKaa> any 1 installed a 'Smartlink modem'
[11:59] <jmg> TypeError: argument 1 of QSizePolicy() has an invalid type
[11:59] <talios> bob2, w00t :)
[11:59] <sorush20> is there a gui for Vclam
[11:59] <WebLOCH> bob2, I had to revert to hoary again so I need to set it up again, but I have no idea how again, so I was hoping you could give me some advice/help again
[12:00] <bob2> WebLOCH: with what?
[12:00] <WebLOCH> deus, go with /bin/
[12:00] <bob2> jmg: whatever app it is is buggy
[12:00] <jmg> anyone know how to unbreak
[12:00] <aftertaf> Echelon-H:  synaptic?
[12:00] <bob2> NO
[12:00] <jmg> bob2: eric?
[12:00] <bob2> do not install junk to /bin/
[12:00] <Echelon-H> aftertaf, no, not exactly
[12:00] <WebLOCH> bob2, I have a realtek soundcard that is apparently not installed
[12:00] <aftertaf> the new swingy one in gnome Echelon-H ?
[12:00] <bob2> deus: I'd go with /usr/local/java, but it doesn't really matter
[12:00] <deus> bob2: ok
[12:00] <bob2> jmg: yes
[12:00] <bob2> WebLOCH: ?
[12:01] <bob2> WebLOCH: you haven't installed it in your computer?
[12:01] <Echelon-H> aftertaf, think so, yes
[12:01] <Orunitia> okay I'm off to bed.... hopefully something will be done about this bug soon
[12:01] <nomidnes> hi,
[12:01] <nomidnes> I am having issues with sound at the moment. Running hoary. I have tried the wiki solutions with no luck. I have reinstalled all packages relating to oss, esd, alsa. I have downloaded the source for alsa (base/lib/utils) as on the alsa site following their instructions for my chipset. Still I have no luck. And also my applications menu only contains Run Application
[12:01] <jmg> lol i installed package eric3 from universe
[12:01] <WebLOCH> bob2, I have, the system says there is no soundcard when I try to play sound, but last time I was informed it was there, just not set correctly, I was guided through some changes and everything picked up
[12:01] <bob2> jmg: then file a bug in launchpad
[12:01] <jmg> instead of eric from main
[12:02] <BooYaaKaa> any one can tell me y my modem is not working?
[12:02] <aftertaf> Echelon-H:  dunno if there is a command, it is in the control center or the menus i think
[12:02] <Echelon-H> aftertaf, but im using fluxbox and i kinda need it :P
[12:02] <aftertaf> bob2:  :) you are a good person, dont let them say otherwise....
[12:02] <aftertaf> Echelon-H:  hehe ok..... no idea !
[12:02] <kemik> should be a special "ubuntu-testing" channel for ppl having trubl with non-stable releases
[12:03] <aftertaf>  #ubuntu-testing ;)
[12:03] <bob2> kemik: that would be inhabited by people who have no idea what they are doing, but still insist on using the devlopment version
[12:03] <cef> Echelon-H: update-manager perhaps?
[12:03] <bob2> it's hard enough stopping people do stupid shit in here
[12:03] <kemik> bob2:  exactly.. ;)
[12:03] <Echelon-H> cef, yes, thank you
[12:04] <kemik> i dont see why clueless ppl tries using unstable versions
[12:04] <kemik> :|
[12:04] <bob2> kemik: omg it's newer lolz rofl!111
[12:04] <WebLOCH> kemik, well said haha
[12:04] <brownie17> ubuntu, using live cd eh?
[12:04] <bob2> etc.
[12:04] <ubuntu> yes
[12:04] <deus> chmod: cannot access `jre1.5.0_04/.systemPrefs/.systemRootModFile': No such file or directory
[12:04] <kemik> hehe. mmh
[12:04] <deus> 
[12:04] <deus> whats wrong here?
[12:04] <ubuntu> i try it
[12:04] <kemik> deus:  dont know.. tell us about it
[12:04] <brownie17> ubuntu, livecd is baaad for youre computer, it will make your chipset fall off!!!! better stop using it
[12:05] <bob2> deus: the error is pretty clear
[12:05] <neotrophy_> X in breezy is busted?  I can't see the full topic in Kopete
[12:05] <bob2> deus: the file doesn't exist
[12:05] <ubuntu> ???
[12:05] <bob2> neotrophy_: use a less bad irc client, then
[12:05] <bob2> neotrophy_: or /topic
[12:05] <deus> Yes but this is a binary file
[12:05] <ubuntu> chipset fall off ???
[12:05] <brownie17> ubuntu, yep, it's true. ask the experts.
[12:05] <kemik> brownie17:  what are you saying ??
[12:05] <deus> what does it need that it camt get+
[12:05] <deus> ?
[12:05] <WebLOCH> Anyone here have any idea about audio devices?
[12:06] <brownie17> kemik, hahaha spreading misinformation
[12:06] <brownie17> kemik, just a harmless joke
[12:06] <kemik> indeed you are ...
[12:06] <kemik> make sure he knows you're joking
[12:06] <ubuntu> ok , i will look for info. It's strange !
[12:06] <brownie17> WebLOCH, i have many ideas about them. i.e. i would like to smash mine, for being crappy
[12:07] <WebLOCH> brownie17, give me the hammer after
[12:07] <brownie17> ubuntu, i am sorry, that was a joke, i didn't intend you to take it seriously
[12:07] <ubuntu> ok
[12:07] <bob2> bah
[12:07] <brownie17> WebLOCH, sure will :)
[12:07] <bob2> WebLOCH: I spent like 2 hours on you last time
[12:07] <slept> WebLOCH, you have to load the module , didn't hotplug do it for you ? restart hotplug to see if it loads a module for you
[12:07] <bob2> WebLOCH: if you have a problem in future, and someone invests time to help you, take notes
[12:07] <brownie17> kemik, i assumed he knew i was mucking around
[12:07] <WebLOCH> bob2, it wasnt two hours, if it was you that helped me, it took less than 20 minutes
[12:08] <WebLOCH> including the time it took me to paste on pastebin for the first time haha
[12:08] <ol2> ok, so my install freezes when it tries to start hotplug, i ctrl alt f1 and it gives me some error codes.. '/lib/modules/2.6.12-8-386/kernel/drivers/video/console/bitblit.ko' : -1 file exists
[12:08] <WebLOCH> slept,  it wasnt to do with hotplug as far as i recall
[12:08] <twibbler>  bob2: I have same problem as WebLoch ... and been round everywhere to try to resolve ...
[12:08] <ol2> and it gives that same error code for a bunch of other drivers
[12:08] <bob2> bah
[12:08] <kemik> brownie17:  assumptions is the mother of all fuckups
[12:08] <kemik> ;)
[12:08] <bob2> you're not on windows
[12:09] <bob2> do not use terms like "install" when you mean "detect and load driver"
[12:09] <bob2> WebLOCH: get a pen and paper
[12:09] <WebLOCH> bob2, Ive got VI if that will do :p
[12:09] <brownie17> kemik, you know? i think you are completely correct. thankyou for imparting such wisdom to a mere mortal! :):):):):)
[12:09] <kemik> ;)
[12:09] <twibbler> bob2: I will put the resolve into a wiki ....
[12:10] <bob2> WebLOCH: put your /var/log/dmesg and output of "lspci" somewhere
[12:10] <bob2> twibbler: you too
[12:10] <deus> ok i managed to install it
[12:10] <deus> But i still cant use java plugins with mozilla
[12:11] <twibbler> bob2: do you want all the dmesg ... if so Ill paste to pastebin ...
[12:11] <bob2> yes
[12:12] <slept> deus you have to link the plugin to the mozilla plugin dir , look at the readme file
[12:13] <zblach> anyone recommend me a bit torrent site?
[12:13] <BlueMat> Im in work trying to install apache2 at home via cmd line, when I apt-get it ask for ubuntu CD how do I overide this?
[12:13] <BlueMat> zblach, piratebay.org
[12:14] <WebLOCH> bob2, http://pastebin.ca/23680
[12:14] <nomidnes> Hey anyone know of sound problems with the VIA8237 chipset?
[12:14] <BlueMat> zblach, for free software that is
[12:14] <WebLOCH> bob2, http://pastebin.ca/23681
[12:14] <BlueMat> How do I override apt-get prompting for CD, Anyone?
[12:15] <WebLOCH> BlueMat, remove the reference to the cd
[12:15] <slept> Blue-Box, apt-setup and comment the line containing cd with a #   in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:15] <twibbler> bob2: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl:2454 and 2455
[12:15] <slept> oh, BlueMat instead of Blue-Box
[12:15] <WebLOCH> BlueMat, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:16] <WebLOCH> ahh sorry
[12:16] <bob2> WebLOCH: sudo modprobe snd_intel8x0
[12:16] <ol2> hey helpful buddies, this is the exact thing my install stops at: http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20050831.010625.6c7979dc.en.html
[12:16] <ol2> any ideas? doesnt seem like it hurt this guys install at all, though
[12:16] <WebLOCH> bob2, done
[12:16] <WebLOCH> bob2, no output
[12:16] <bob2> WebLOCH: "dmesg | tail", pastebin
[12:17] <zblach> Bluemat, i'm looking for manuals
[12:17] <zblach> like, books, or instructions
[12:17] <bob2> ol2: have you verified the cd?
[12:17] <ol2> no, i didnt see an option... but i have used the exact same cd to install to a real computer
[12:17] <WebLOCH> bob2, http://pastebin.ca/23682
[12:17] <ol2> "real" as in non laptop
[12:17] <BlueMat> thanks guys
[12:19] <elad`> What's Totem?
[12:19] <WebLOCH> A media player
[12:19] <elad`> I double clicked an mp3 file, and it gave me an error, said it was already busy or something.
[12:19] <heatxsink> I'm running breezy and I'm trying to mount a compact flash card in a Pcmcia cf reader
[12:19] <heatxsink> help?
[12:20] <MarcN> heatxsink: what is the problem?
[12:20] <elad`> Then I right clicked it and chose "open with media player", and it ran Rythmibox or something, which told me no plugin is installed for dealing with mp3 files.
[12:20] <heatxsink> the partition isn't showing up when I do a fdisk -l
[12:20] <WebLOCH> elad`, mp3s are not a free format
[12:21] <MarcN> heatxsink: is the device found?  check dmesg
[12:21] <bob2> elad`: /msg ubotu restricted
[12:21] <WebLOCH> elad`, they are referred to as a restricted format, you can find out how to install them by checking out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:22] <heatxsink> [4333622.186000]  hda: Hitachi XX.V.4.1.0.0, CFA DISK drive
[12:22] <heatxsink> [4333623.113000]  ide0 at 0x100-0x107,0x10e on irq 3
[12:22] <heatxsink> [4333623.114000]  ide-cs: hda: Vcc = 3.3, Vpp = 0.0
[12:22] <gerarcone> i can't install wine on Breezy: it appears an error message on Synaptic saying wine: Depends libwine (=0.0.20050310-1.1) but o.o.20050419-1~5.04ubp1 will be installed
[12:22] <elad`> What's the problem with Totem?
[12:23] <bob2> twibbler: sudo modprobe snd-intel8x0
[12:23] <bob2> gerarcone: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[12:23] <heatxsink> MarcN:  that was odd, it wasn't till I did a fdisk on /dev/hda
[12:23] <heatxsink> that hal picked it up and i guess automount kicked in
[12:24] <bob2> gerarcone: oh, wait, nevrmind
[12:24] <bob2> gerarcone: WELCOME TO BACKPORT COUNTRY
[12:24] <heatxsink> is that normal?
[12:24] <twibbler> bob2 no output same as WebLOCH ... do you want the tail from dmesg
[12:24] <bob2> twibbler: yeah
[12:24] <gerarcone> bob2: what?
[12:25] <elad`> How do I fix Totem?
[12:25] <bob2> gerarcone: you're using broken backports
[12:25] <kemik> gerarcone:  remove backports from sources.list
[12:25] <kemik> gerarcone:  and try again
[12:25] <twibbler> bob2: 2456
[12:25] <bob2> gerarcone: I guess they'll help you on the forums or something
[12:25] <ol2> is there a way to access an ext3 filesystem without a big livecd
[12:25] <gerarcone> bob2: i've pasted sources list to #flood
[12:25] <ol2> knoppix wont boot on my laptop
[12:25] <gerarcone> kemik: what are backports?
[12:26] <bob2> man
[12:26] <Belutz> no firefox 1.0.7 for ubuntu?
[12:26] <kemik> !backports
[12:26] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[12:26] <bob2> it's really annoying that none of the backport monkeys actually come here to help people with their mess
[12:26] <deFrysk> Belutz, it available in breezy
[12:26] <locomorto> Belutz: it usally takes a while for the security fixes to be backported
[12:26] <HaNazir> my firefox wont start at all in breezy, any other people with this issue?
[12:26] <WebLOCH> HaNazir, have you thought about Opera?
[12:26] <locomorto> Belutz: and breezy doesn;t havwee ti yet either (i think). I'll check though
[12:26] <Belutz> deFrysk: hooray :D
[12:27] <gerarcone> bob2: what do you say about my sources.list?
[12:27] <bob2> twibbler: very odd
[12:27] <Belutz> locomorto: ok, thanks for checking it out
[12:27] <HaNazir> WebLOCH: i have opera :)
[12:27] <twibbler> bob2: I agree .... Im confused ....
[12:27] <WebLOCH> HaNazir, then why worry about firefox?
[12:27] <locomorto> actually theres a firefox package
[12:27] <elad`> Could anyone tell me how to either fix Totem, or set another, working media player as the default?
[12:27] <locomorto> I'm upgrading to that now
[12:27] <locomorto> not sure what version that is
[12:28] <atha> sure there is 1.0.7 firefox for ubuntu (breezy) already
[12:28] <locomorto> yep, 1.0.7 is in breezy as of now (only recent though)
[12:28] <kemik> bob2:  dont you ever get the urge to refer to justfuckinggoogleit.com ? ;)
[12:28] <HaNazir> WebLOCH: cos its open source and i like it:)
[12:28] <Belutz> locomorto: great, thanks :)
[12:28] <WebLOCH> HaNazir, each to their own i guess
[12:28] <locomorto> kemik: googleityoumoron
[12:28] <deFrysk> locomorto, latest firefox is also recent ;)
[12:29] <locomorto> very nice
[12:29] <rdfm> hi, i just installed kubuntu breezy from a CD and want to connect with it through a pppoe connection (through the ath0 network device)
[12:29] <rdfm> I ran pppoeconf ath0
[12:29] <locomorto> Are you installing kubuntu on your mac?
[12:29] <bob2> gerarcone: that you really should be careful about what you polite your sources.list with
[12:29] <bob2> er, pllute
[12:29] <_pir> I dont understand it... I installed "gnome-netstatus", refreshed the panel , but I still dont see this applet in the "add to panel"....
[12:30] <locomorto> bob2: pollute
[12:30] <locomorto> bob2: lol
[12:30] <rdfm> but pppd won't start with a "unrecognised option ath0" error
[12:30] <kemik> locomorto:  i prefer justfuckinggoogleit ;)
[12:30] <locomorto> _pir: right click
[12:30] <locomorto> _pir: add to panel
[12:30] <rdfm> the line in question is in dsl-provider
[12:30] <nomidnes> hi, i am having issues with gstreamer, and sound in general
[12:30] <WebLOCH> Is loading the 686 kernel image a bad idea?
[12:30] <gerarcone> bob2: can you tell me more? i can't understand well this
[12:30] <MarcN> heatxsink: all set?
[12:30] <rdfm> plugin rp-pppoe.so ath
[12:30] <HaNazir> WebLOCH: no
[12:31] <gerarcone> bob2: what should i do?
[12:31] <elad`> Where do I set my default application for each filetype?
[12:31] <rdfm> what is your dsl-provider file like
[12:31] <rdfm> ?
[12:31] <HaNazir> WebLOCH: iu have AMD?
[12:31] <WebLOCH> HaNazir, I knew it wouldnt be overall, I meant are there any drawbacks...  and does 686-smp include a Dual Processor Pentium D
[12:31] <wsilva> Hi everybody
[12:31] <locomorto> _pir: find the netstaus applet
[12:31] <WebLOCH> HaNazir, no Pentium D840
[12:31] <locomorto> _pir: select it, go add/ok
[12:31] <wsilva> I'm a newbi in linux
[12:31] <WebLOCH> HaNazir, Dual Core is what I meant to say :P
[12:32] <wsilva> i'd like to know how can i install the skype..
[12:32] <kuroy00> what does it mean "Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 0"
[12:32] <locomorto> _pir: its called network monitor
[12:32] <wsilva> i've downloaded, but i cant installl
[12:32] <WebLOCH> wsilva,  its listed in the ubuntu documentation
[12:32] <kuroy00> is my Floppy Drive defective or the Floppy Disk?
[12:32] <wsilva> how can i find it?
[12:32] <gerarcone> bob2: ...
[12:32] <HaNazir> WebLOCH: do sudo apt-cache search linux-image and it will tell u which one is the right one. i think 386 is better for pentium, but 686 also works.
[12:32] <twibbler> bob2:  could it be IPv6 conflict ?....
[12:32] <locomorto> bob2: cd /usr/share/docs/libdvdread3/
[12:32] <locomorto> oops
[12:32] <HaNazir> WebLOCH: BUT not 100% sure.
[12:33] <locomorto> wrong person
[12:33] <WebLOCH> wsilva, goto the website, click on the "wiki" tab and then click on user documentation, from there it should be as simple as searching for "skype" on that page
[12:33] <wsilva> ow.. good..
[12:33] <neotrophy_> wsilva: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto
[12:33] <WebLOCH> HaNazir, I believe 686 is the correct image but I was wondering if SMP was for real dual processors or if it would work with a dual core single processor
[12:33] <kemik> wsilva:  dpkg -i package.deb
[12:33] <HaNazir> WebLOCH: dont know :)
[12:33] <wsilva> other think... the sound is working in my computer
[12:34] <WebLOCH> It is?
[12:34] <WebLOCH> Then you count yourself lucky!
[12:34] <thesaltydog> how can I get rid of usplash and have back my console at vga=791?
[12:34] <wsilva> but, when i'm browsing via internet... i can hear nothing..
[12:34] <DocTomoe> How can I get the CUPS web frontend to work under breezy?
[12:34] <gerarcone> what sources i should put into sources.list? please, help me!
[12:34] <neotrophy_> thesaltydog: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:35] <locomorto> gerarcone: What do you want to do?
[12:35] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, I think what people have been trying to tell you, is that you have attempted to download from partial or faulty sljr
[12:35] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: sljr?
[12:35] <thesaltydog> neotrophy_, I did it, but with latest kernel update (-9) I don't have any display inj console. I can't see the booting sequence...
[12:35] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, sources*  so you should remove the backports from your sources list
[12:35] <HeavyD> does anyone have problems with x-common update?
[12:36] <_pir> <locomorto:  "network monitor"    ?  I thought it's name is "netstatus"... how can I look for open ports with "network monitor"?
[12:36] <neotrophy_> thesaltydog: on the line # kopt=root=/dev/hdxy ro console=tty0, add vga=795 at the end
[12:36] <gerarcone> locomorto: i simple want to know what sources should i have in my sources.list
[12:36] <x[BrB] x> im installing ubuntu but theres an error message :(
[12:36] <thesaltydog> neotrophy_, 795? I was using 791... ok, I'll test
[12:36] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: what are these backports?
[12:36] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, everything EXCEPT the ones listed as "backports"
[12:36] <bayu> I tried to install ubuntu on my computer but my serial mouse didn't work anybody can help me why......?
[12:36] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x what error?
[12:37] <neotrophy_> thesaltydog: yeah, 791
[12:37] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, places that older or extra stuff is kept, you can identify them because they have the word "BACKPORT" within them, just comment them out with "#"
[12:37] <HaNazir> bayu: it crashes ur X or the pointer just wont move?
[12:37] <x[BrB] x> for got the msg.. but something like cant install etc...
[12:37] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x thats useless man
[12:37] <bayu> just the pointer...
[12:37] <rdfm> can anybody help with my pppoe problems under breezy? I have already searched the forums and google for breezy dsl-provider pppoe and found some pointers but none similar to my problem...
[12:37] <x[BrB] x> then after i reboot.. it suddenly hang
[12:37] <bayu> x jusst fine
[12:37] <_pir> ther are many x-executable lib files in the /usr/lib/.... (many applents... I think).. can I launch them by clicking?
[12:38] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: they are all commented
[12:38] <x[BrB] x> ok i'll check
[12:38] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, then you can't use apt-get !
[12:38] <HaNazir> bayu: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf under mouse what does it say? query it to me.
[12:38] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: ok, let's say in this way... the only that is not commented is
[12:39] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[12:39] <HaNazir> rdfm: whats the prob?
[12:39] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, well then uncomment the rest, EXCEPT for backports
[12:39] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: i think there is something wrong in my sources.list
[12:39] <ColonelKernel> does make-kpkg not take advantage of SMP or something?
[12:39] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, goto pastebin.ca and paste your list and give me the url
[12:39] <rdfm> pppoeconf put a line in dsl-provider that is not compatible with pppoe
[12:40] <bayu> well right now i used my ps2 port...last time i tried my serial but didn't work...
[12:40] <rdfm> HaNazir: in particular plugin rp-pppoe.so ath0
[12:40] <HaNazir> rdfm: when u run sudo pppeconf what do u get?
[12:40] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: wait a moment... and thank you
[12:40] <x[BrB] x> hanazir after i reboot it goes to installation package.. but theres no activity, it remains in 0%
[12:40] <bayu> ps2 just fine
[12:40] <thesaltydog> neotrophy_, I did it, but the same... No console output..
[12:40] <thesaltydog> neotrophy_, I will file a bug on latest kernel
[12:40] <WebLOCH> ColonelKernel, only if you have the SMP image loaded, and i cant imagine a packager needing to make use of smp
[12:41] <locomorto> Is there a breezy .deb of opera?
[12:41] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: ok. http://pastebin.ca/23683
[12:41] <rdfm> HaNazir: it finds the pppoe concentrator on the ath0 device
[12:41] <x[BrB] x> im using 386-iso
[12:41] <bayu> HaNazir: i have no ubuntu serial mouse install yet..
[12:41] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: remember that i'm running Breezy
[12:41] <neotrophy_> thesaltydog: I just remembered... you have to run "sudo update-grub" afterward
[12:41] <ColonelKernel> WebLOCH, you mean using an SMP kernel ? that I am.
[12:41] <fredforfaen> im using hoary , can i install oo beta without borking my box?
[12:41] <thesaltydog> neotrophy_, of course..
[12:41] <ColonelKernel> and compiling goes faster with SMP
[12:41] <locomorto> The sarge one has a problem with the naming of a package and thus makes my system 'look' broken
[12:41] <rdfm> HaNazir: i answer all the questions and creates the dsl-provider file
[12:42] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x u connected to the net?
[12:42] <thesaltydog> neotrophy_, this is my cat /proc/cmdline    root=/dev/hda6 ro console=tty0 vga=791 quiet splash
[12:42] <WebLOCH> ColonelKernel, yeah thats what I meant, I can't imagine it being used for packaging... also compiling won't go faster with SMP unless you use a distributed compiler... or a compiler optimised for multiple processors, which generally they are not
[12:42] <x[BrB] x> yes hanazir
[12:42] <x[BrB] x> hanazir yes
[12:42] <HaNazir> brb
[12:42] <ColonelKernel> well with make you can always do make -j3
[12:42] <neotrophy_> hmm... that should work.  It worked for me (even though I didn't want it to :) )
[12:43] <ColonelKernel> I dont know if such an option exists for make-kpkg
[12:44] <x[BrB] x> hanazir i aleady used the cd where i burned 386-iso, it work fine with me.. infact i dont experince an error message on my first computer
[12:44] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, these are pretty much all "hoary" sources
[12:44] <aftertaf> breezy X is repaired again........
[12:44] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: so?
[12:44] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, you can change a few of them to breezy, but I cannot advise on exactly how safe that is
[12:44] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x so reinstalled?
[12:44] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, I did it the other day to upgrade to breezy
[12:44] <fredforfaen> anyone?
[12:44] <WebLOCH> it worked fine
[12:45] <aftertaf> fredforfaen:  yes you can...
[12:45] <fredforfaen> cool
[12:45] <aftertaf> it doesnt killOO1
[12:45] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: can you past me you sources.list then?
[12:45] <x[BrB] x> hanazir no...
[12:45] <HaNazir> rdfm: it creates the files, and when u reboot it doesnt connect?
[12:45] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: so i copy it
[12:45] <fredforfaen> aftertaf do i have to uninstall oo 1.1.3 first?
[12:45] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, nope, i went back to hoary, breezy doesnt like my keyb/mouse
[12:45] <x[BrB] x> hanazir im installing kubuntu on my 2nd computer
[12:45] <aftertaf> fredforfaen:  dont think so...
[12:45] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x well since its in the beginning of the install, why not try reinstalling?
[12:45] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: where i can find sources?
[12:46] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: maybe on the wiki?
[12:46] <fredforfaen> aftertaf cus when i try to apt-get remove oo it wanna remove ubuntu-desktop as well
[12:46] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x it happens while it tried to update the packages right during install?
[12:46] <wsilva> people, about my sound.. is not working properly.. how can i fix it...
[12:46] <x[BrB] x> hanazir i've reinstalled it 3x already.. :( i still got the same problem
[12:46] <aftertaf> no need to remove oo1 for now...
[12:46] <fredforfaen> cool
[12:46] <rdfm> HaNazir: no, the problem is that pppoe does not put a newline between plugin rp-pppoe.so and the ath0 device
[12:46] <fredforfaen> thanx a bunch
[12:46] <fredforfaen> aftertaf <--
[12:46] <rdfm> I searched the docs
[12:46] <pc22> ColonelKernel, if i want to make my network with static ipaddress
[12:47] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x ah ok.
[12:47] <rdfm> easier than I thought
[12:47] <rdfm> :)
[12:47] <rdfm> a bug though, I think
[12:47] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x so its during the package update though right?
[12:47] <x[BrB] x> hanazir i already change cd rom
[12:47] <x[BrB] x> yap
[12:47] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x so just skip it
[12:47] <ColonelKernel> pc22, yes?
[12:47] <aftertaf> rdfm:  yep, did that for me too... unless i ran in in tty1
[12:47] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, I dont know of an official solution, I would advise you just install hoary as it is stable
[12:48] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, if not you might aswell dual boot with Windows Vista Preview
[12:48] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: i've tried hoary, but i prefer breezy
[12:48] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x dont update packages during isntall, wait till it finishes then do the install, i had that with my installations, that it wouldnt load the ADSL: conenction until after the instalaltion, so i had to do the updates once up and running.
[12:48] <x[BrB] x> hanazir i did skip it.. then after i skip it.. i completed the installation until i reboot
[12:48] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, there is little noticable difference I should imagine
[12:49] <Lloydy> hey guys im new to ubuntu .. how to i run a configure command
[12:49] <ColonelKernel> my ntp doesnt start correctly in breezy, says temp dns name resolution failure but dns works fine when I log in
[12:49] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x oh. so thats where u get stuck? during the unpackaging?
[12:49] <BurgerMann> does anyone know an alternative to X-Chat? something that includes more functinality?
[12:49] <aftertaf> Lloydy:  you compiling from source?
[12:49] <Lloydy> yes
[12:49] <aftertaf> BurgerMann:  what type of unctionality?
[12:49] <Lloydy> in fc3 i do ./configure ect ect
[12:49] <rdfm> aftertaf, HaNazir: and even though I just followed the example from the documentation, putting ath0 by itself, pppd still considers it an invalid keyword...
[12:49] <x[BrB] x> hanazir after i reboot it goes to installation package.. but theres no activity, it remains in 0%
[12:49] <HaNazir> BurgerMann: gaim?
[12:50] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: possible that no-one in this chatroom is running breezy?
[12:50] <aftertaf> Lloydy:  here too....   ./configure && make && sudo make install
[12:50] <aftertaf> gerarcone:  wrong ;)
[12:50] <x[BrB] x> hanazir yap i think it on unpackaging
[12:50] <HaNazir> rdfm: is this wireless stuff?
[12:50] <aftertaf> lots of us are.
[12:50] <rdfm> HaNazir: yes
[12:50] <rdfm> HaNazir: mad-wifi
[12:50] <HaNazir> HaNazir: what card?
[12:50] <x[BrB] x> hanzir where do you think is the problem
[12:50] <Lloydy> so if i was trying to run ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/ --with-mysql
[12:50] <aftertaf> differences: out of the box bluetooth..... support for more and newer hardware, refined gui.... etc
[12:51] <rdfm> HaNazir: atheros AR5212
[12:51] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x u tried another CD right?
[12:51] <p_jnco> hi good people
[12:51] <HaNazir> rdfm: netgear?
[12:51] <Lloydy> i get .. ./configure --prefix=PREFIX
[12:51] <rdfm> HaNazir: conceptronics
[12:51] <p_jnco> anyone know how to adjust the login screen resolution?
[12:51] <x[BrB] x> hanazir i tried another cdrom
[12:51] <Lloydy> erm i get ./configure no such file or folder
[12:51] <gerarcone> aftertaf: can you paste me your sources.list?
[12:51] <Lloydy> but it is there
[12:51] <HaNazir> rdfm: weird i thought ubuntu detected atheros
[12:51] <aftertaf> Lloydy:  i dont know about that....
[12:51] <aftertaf> ok gerarcone
[12:52] <Lloydy> may i pm u .. its hecktic in here
[12:52] <x[BrB] x> hanazir i tried 1 cd on 2 cdroms
[12:52] <rdfm> HaNazir: it does detect it, it pings other hosts, it finds the pppoe access concentrator but
[12:52] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, I am sure someone is
[12:52] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, they make up the large proportion of people asking for help
[12:52] <rdfm> HaNazir: it was not setup automatically (I had to fudge with /etc/network/interfaces to make it work in kubuntu)
[12:53] <p_jnco> hello gentlemen, anyone know how to fix the login screen resolution
[12:53] <x[BrB] x> hanazir if i try to reinstall again do i have to reformat my hdd? or i just need to run again from cdrom?
[12:53] <rdfm> HaNazir: pppd does not like it...
[12:53] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x umm....ur  screwed
[12:53] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x what are ur specs?
[12:53] <gerarcone> WebLOCH: i'm sure of this. you are very kind, consider that i'm new to Linux so the most of my questions are stupid
[12:53] <HaNazir> x[BrB] x u didnt format the FS?
[12:54] <x[BrB] x> hanazir celeron 2gig 128
[12:54] <HaNazir> HaNazir: weird
[12:54] <tommy> hi
[12:54] <x[BrB] x> hanazir what do you mean??
[12:54] <HaNazir> xdfm: i dont know man. u can try this driver too: http://www.linuxant.com/company/
[12:54] <WebLOCH> gerarcone, im not that kind, but thanks for the compliment, your questions are not so much stupid as... unnecessary, your problems stem from having an unstable OS, if you swap to the stable version you should be fine, if you have problems still, then you have to start worrying
[12:55] <aftertaf> gerarcone:  why do you want to go to breezy? for now there can still be problems and you can end up stumped if you dont know a bit of command line and x configuring.
[12:55] <HaNazir> rdfm and http://www.linux-wireless.org/Drivers/
[12:55] <aftertaf> WebLOCH:  i agree.... stay with stable for 20 more days....
[12:55] <wsilva> where do i need to find to my sound card work properly
[12:55] <p_jnco> hey all yall they call me the supernoob, anyone know how i can keep and/or change the resolution for my login screen
[12:56] <rdfm> HaNazir: hell no man, mad-wifi drivers work perfectly!
[12:56] <WebLOCH> aftertaf, is that when the stable breezy comes out ?
[12:56] <ColonelKernel> im going to breezy if I cant get this vanilla kernel booted - I got things working in breezy just fine
[12:56] <rdfm> I've used them successfully under gentoo
[12:56] <aftertaf> WebLOCH:  13 oct
[12:56] <WebLOCH> aftertaf, ahh awesome, i had no idea it was that soon!  I hope they resolve the bluetooth buggery!
[12:56] <p_jnco> gentoo owns
[12:56] <rdfm> HaNazir: this is a ubuntu-specific problem....
[12:56] <gerarcone> aftertaf: on 13 oct they'll release the stable version of breezy?
[12:57] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  change the default resolution in xorg.conf
[12:57] <gerarcone> aftertaf: for now it's more simple for me to not change the situation
[12:57] <aftertaf> gerarcone:  yes (normally ;)  )
[12:57] <p_jnco> dang it
[12:57] <p_jnco> where is that file stored
[12:57] <p_jnco> xorg.conf
[12:57] <WebLOCH> I can't believe how much windows lacks
[12:57] <gerarcone> aftertaf: but if synaptic works is better :p
[12:58] <aftertaf> gerarcone:  probably.... but be aware of what the package updates will do, and dont update blindly... like this morning there was a package pb that if you ran it would have reomved all your X server
[12:58] <WebLOCH> I wish I could be done with it
[12:58] <p_jnco> windows is an unstable peice of poop
[12:58] <p_jnco> BUT I CANT GAME  ON LINUX
[12:58] <p_jnco> DOH
[12:58] <WebLOCH> p_jnco, yeah tell me about it
[12:58] <gerarcone> aftertaf: yes, i now that
[12:58] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  /etc/X11/xorg.conf <-- needds modifying as root (sudo)
[12:58] <WebLOCH> p_jnco, windows is pretty damn stable for me
[12:58] <p_jnco> it is for me
[12:58] <gerarcone> aftertaf: but no matter, i'm in dual boot with winxp, so i don't have fear to lose the data
[12:58] <p_jnco> but its still unstable
[12:58] <aftertaf> gerarcone:  as long as you are aware, and know how to spot hiccupslike that, you shold be ok.
[12:58] <p_jnco> and allot less powerfull
[12:59] <elad`> I just accidentally got rid of the entire upper pannel. I want it back.
[12:59] <rdfm> I think the problem could be that the rp-pppoe.so plugin does not export ath0 as a valid device....
[12:59] <aftertaf> elad`:  thats one of the reasons i dont like gnome......
[01:00] <p_jnco> fuck it
[01:00] <p_jnco> im just gonna leave the fucked up resolution
[01:00] <p_jnco> im a pussy to edit a conf file
[01:00] <elad`> aftertaf, and the solution is?
[01:00] <wsilva> yesterday
[01:00] <wsilva> i had this problme
[01:00] <wsilva> chnged the resolutin there
[01:01] <p_jnco> ?
[01:01] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  if you try, you can learn...... but no pbs.
[01:01] <wsilva> and after.. choose other quantity of hz
[01:01] <p_jnco> after
[01:01] <p_jnco> whats the command again in terminal
[01:01] <p_jnco> sudo /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:01] <aftertaf> elad`:  i dunno...i use kde.
[01:01] <p_jnco> sorry for being the supernoob
[01:01] <WebLOCH> p_jnco, windows is not less powerful, linux is less powerful, unless you have tailored hardware
[01:01] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  nearly.... sudo nano ....
[01:01] <p_jnco> =/
[01:01] <ColonelKernel> HAHAHA I did it!!!
[01:01] <p_jnco> shutup web
[01:01] <WebLOCH> half of my devices dont have linux drivers :(
[01:01] <p_jnco> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:02] <WebLOCH> p_jnco, dont be so rude
[01:02] <p_jnco> .
[01:02] <p_jnco> windows is bumjuice
[01:02] <ColonelKernel> Linux p4ht 2.6.14-rc2 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Sep 23 03:17:41 PDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:02] <ColonelKernel> Im very proud of myself
[01:02] <WebLOCH> p_jnco,  you sound like a kid
[01:02] <aftertaf> nice one ColonelKernel
[01:02] <ColonelKernel> yeah
[01:02] <p_jnco> am i correct after
[01:02] <p_jnco> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[01:02] <jb_ray> hi!
[01:02] <ColonelKernel> long live ubuntu - even with its funny scripts
[01:02] <p_jnco> ubuntu is so easy
[01:02] <p_jnco> lolz.
[01:02] <p_jnco> i wish it was harder like gentoo
[01:02] <WebLOCH> longlive blueyonder!  4mbps for free!
[01:03] <jb_ray> hi!
[01:03] <rowanjl> Anyone tell me how I can make my DVD contents appear under dvd:// in gnome? DVDs mount, but that special name gives me errors when I try and access it
[01:03] <locomorto> A heads up: if you are on breezy use the debain etch package for opera
[01:03] <ColonelKernel> you know, I noticed that you cant just open a terminal from the right-click on the desktop menu in breezy - how do I add this?
[01:03] <jb_ray> hi!
[01:04] <Antioch> ColonelKernel I noticed that too! I was very upset.
[01:04] <wsilva> people.. please help me how can i fix my sound card seetings here.. i can hear nothing
[01:04] <ColonelKernel> Antioch, any way to add it back there?
[01:05] <fluffybunny_> what came before Warty Warthog?
[01:05] <Antioch> Not sure
[01:05] <jb_ray> hi!
[01:05] <aftertaf> fluffybunny_:  nothing...
[01:05] <Antioch> fluffybunny_ nothing
[01:05] <aftertaf> debian sid....
[01:05] <Cimmerian> nautilus-open-terminal
[01:05] <Antioch> Breezy is the 3rd release
[01:05] <fluffybunny_> i've only heard of people talking about warty, hoary and breezy (and now dapper)... i though warty was labelled 4.somethign?
[01:05] <ColonelKernel> someone should nag the developers to put it back in there
[01:06] <aftertaf> ColonelKernel:  keybindings....... i hit Windows & Esc
[01:06] <ColonelKernel> thats really annoying not to be able to do
[01:06] <Cimmerian> 4.10 as in october 2004
[01:06] <aftertaf> fluffybunny_:  dates ;)
[01:06] <ColonelKernel> aftertaf, i'd prefer to have it the way its supposed to be :P
[01:06] <Cimmerian> install nautilus-open-terminal
[01:06] <fluffybunny_> Cimmerian: ah
[01:06] <boxerboy29> dapper should be ready in april?
[01:06] <aftertaf> hehe... lazy ;)   its supposed to be however you want it to be.....
[01:07] <p_jnco> GOD, i am the biggest noob on the face of the earth, i used root terminal (im trying to edit sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf) i did a cd to get to the root folder but all i see is 2 files
[01:07] <aftertaf> boxerboy29:  6 month release schedule normally.... though breezy aint released as official yet
[01:07] <p_jnco> where is everything!
[01:07] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  hehe what is the command you type
[01:07] <boxerboy29> breezy is set for oct13
[01:07] <p_jnco> cd
[01:07] <p_jnco> now im at #
[01:07] <p_jnco> and all i see is 2 files
[01:07] <p_jnco> bootstrap something
[01:07] <Antioch> Cimmerian whats nautilus-open-terminal?
[01:07] <p_jnco> or other
[01:08] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  type pwd
[01:08] <Cimmerian> gives you the ability to open a terminal from nautilus
[01:08] <p_jnco> bootstrapsettings and instal report
[01:08] <p_jnco> ok
[01:08] <rowanjl> Can anyone help me?
[01:08] <boxerboy29> where do i find plug ins for opera? if there are any
[01:08] <p_jnco> its /root
[01:08] <Cimmerian> which means you also get it in the right click menu of the desktop
[01:08] <Antioch> really?
[01:08] <aftertaf> ok... you're in root's home directory ;)
[01:08] <p_jnco> yay!
[01:08] <Cimmerian> the desktop is drawn by nautilus
[01:08] <p_jnco> =)
[01:08] <aftertaf> go to /
[01:08] <p_jnco> oh
[01:08] <p_jnco> cd /
[01:08] <sobersabre> when will breezy be frozen   ?
[01:08] <NoHope> hi all
[01:08] <p_jnco> ?
[01:08] <p_jnco> k
[01:08] <aftertaf> :] ] 
[01:09] <looksaus> ok, this is probably the umpteenth time someone asks, but...
[01:09] <aftertaf> looksaus:  oct 13!!
[01:09] <NoHope> hey, apt-get install is oblying me to take the program from the cd. how can I force it to take from the internet?
[01:09] <Belutz> NoHope: comment the cd repositories in the sources.list
[01:09] <aftertaf> NoHope:  open synaptic, or edit by hand /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:09] <reiki> NoHope: comment out the cd listing in sources.list
[01:09] <sobersabre> NoHope, edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:10] <aftertaf> hehe 4x reply
[01:10] <NoHope> th you all.
[01:10] <looksaus> what about this X thing? I noticed apt wanted to remove it, so I didn't upgrade...
[01:10] <looksaus> aftertaf: what about oct 13?
[01:10] <aftertaf> looksaus:  good thing! you can do it again now, it wont remove it
[01:10] <p_jnco> ok
[01:10] <aftertaf> looksaus:  guessing what your qu was gonna be ;)
[01:10] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  you got it?
[01:10] <sobersabre> is it safe to apt-get dist-upgrade to breezy from hoary ?
[01:10] <p_jnco> im in /etc/X11 i did a ls but
[01:10] <p_jnco> i dont see the file here
[01:10] <p_jnco> is it hidden
[01:10] <p_jnco> xorg.conf
[01:11] <Belutz> sobersabre: it should be safe in october 13
[01:11] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  nope.... sudo nano xorg.conf
[01:11] <boxerboy29> lol @ safe
[01:11] <sobersabre> Belutz, when do the guys freeze the release ?
[01:11] <pharar> BUenos dias
[01:11] <Belutz> sobersabre: October 13
[01:11] <aftertaf> sobersabre:  they already have, sort of... now were squishing bugzzz
[01:11] <p_jnco> opens blank file
[01:11] <p_jnco> im x86
[01:11] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  ok... we have apb then.
[01:12] <p_jnco> someone had me do this
[01:12] <sobersabre> Belutz, this sounds strange: to release the day the distro is frozen sounds mandrake
[01:12] <p_jnco> earlier
[01:12] <p_jnco> [13:24:42]  robotgeek : sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[01:12] <aftertaf> wtf?
[01:12] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  brezy or hoary?
[01:12] <bimberi> or warty?
[01:12] <p_jnco> im warty
[01:12] <looksaus> sobersabre: most of the time, breezy seems to be in a more or less releasable state
[01:12] <aftertaf> hehe bimberi ;)
[01:13] <p_jnco> i am
[01:13] <p_jnco> =)
[01:13] <p_jnco> hehe
[01:13] <looksaus> if you feel a bit adventurous
[01:13] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  do you have internet on pc?
[01:13] <p_jnco> yes
[01:13] <sobersabre> looksaus, what are the unresolved problems ?
[01:13] <boxerboy29> http://www.ubuntu.com/newsitems/5.10preview
[01:13] <p_jnco> wanna remote?
[01:13] <looksaus> I've been running it since about the first day
[01:13] <aftertaf> ok... i recommend upping to hoary
[01:13] <p_jnco> ok
[01:13] <p_jnco> i did run the updates
[01:13] <looksaus> of development
[01:13] <p_jnco> on installation
[01:13] <ColonelKernel> haory works well
[01:13] <p_jnco> how do i update
[01:13] <boxerboy29> that will answer all questions about when it will be releaced
[01:13] <looksaus> but you should know what you're doing
[01:13] <ColonelKernel> Linux p4ht 2.6.14-rc2 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Sep 23 03:17:41 PDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux <-- behold my glory
[01:13] <p_jnco> lol
[01:13] <looksaus> and be prepared to fix strange things here and there
[01:13] <p_jnco> behold my glory
[01:13] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  ok..... we'll change you repositories
[01:14] <p_jnco> !!!
[01:14] <ubotu> [!]  what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[01:14] <looksaus> if not, just keep to hoary for the moment
[01:14] <p_jnco> !!!
[01:14] <aftertaf> do you have synaptic installed p_jnco ?
[01:14] <p_jnco> i havent installed any packages other then a theme
[01:14] <aftertaf> ok...
[01:14] <aftertaf> type sudo apt-get install synaptic
[01:15] <sobersabre> looksaus, I am working with ubuntu since hoary, but I work with it - gcc, gdb, vi etc. will I be safe to move to it ?
[01:15] <p_jnco> ok
[01:15] <p_jnco> from anywhere
[01:15] <p_jnco> where i am now even
[01:15] <sobersabre> looksaus, i mean to move upwards to breezy
[01:15] <aftertaf> yep.. dont matter.    when installed let me know
[01:15] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  you can run without going into the directories...
[01:15] <rowanjl> So, anyone know how gnome defines things like dvd://?
[01:15] <looksaus> sobresabre, I've experienced little or no problems upgrading, but then again, I'm used to administering several server systems running Debian
[01:16] <p_jnco> installed
[01:16] <p_jnco> already
[01:16] <p_jnco> =)
[01:16] <aftertaf> debian pwns ;)
[01:16] <p_jnco> i understand
[01:16] <sobersabre> looksaus, me too is Debian....
[01:16] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  ok.... type gksu synaptic
[01:17] <sobersabre> As long as my laptop boots, mounts and exec's it is enough. X is nice too... will I have these ?
[01:17] <looksaus> of course
[01:17] <sobersabre> ok :)
[01:17] <p_jnco> ok
[01:17] <aftertaf> sobersabre:  depends on material.... but breezy is working quite well at the mo....
[01:17] <sobersabre> where
[01:17] <sobersabre> 's
[01:17] <p_jnco> it asked me for my root pw
[01:17] <p_jnco> then did nothing
[01:17] <sobersabre> the list of repositories ?
[01:17] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  nope, your own pw, not root's ;)
[01:17] <aftertaf> !repositories
[01:17] <ubotu> repositories is, like, at at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[01:17] <p_jnco> both teh same
[01:17] <looksaus> just change hoary to breezy...
[01:18] <ColonelKernel> glxgears didnt give me a readout in breezy
[01:18] <p_jnco> what is it supposed to do
[01:18] <ColonelKernel> the gears came up but nothing in the xterminal
[01:18] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  supposed to run :/
[01:18] <looksaus> sobersabre: good luck
[01:18] <leagris> Someone know the game crack-attack ?  There are no sound with the ubuntu package. I had a crack-attack-sound package with Mandriva. Are ther any licence issue with the sounds for crack-attack explaining they are not packaged with ubuntu ?
[01:19] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  you sure about your own pasword?
[01:19] <Juul> so, i'm playing with this shiny new breezy install, and i'm wondering; with all this graphical easy configuration stuff, how do i install a new network card and configure it?
[01:20] <aftertaf> Juul:  it should be recognised on boot.
[01:20] <nalioth> Juul: if your network card is supported, it should work o-o-t-b
[01:20] <Juul> what if i haven't re-booted?
[01:20] <p_jnco> wtf!!!
[01:20] <p_jnco> it says wrong password
[01:20] <p_jnco> why
[01:20] <p_jnco> =/
[01:20] <p_jnco> is there a default
[01:20] <Echelon-H> what's the command to change permission?
[01:20] <p_jnco> root pw
[01:20] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  nope.... root is disabled. sudo asks you for your own user password
[01:20] <nalioth> p_jnco: did they tell you about root?
[01:20] <p_jnco> it says enter pw for root
[01:20] <aftertaf> Echelon-H:  chmod
[01:21] <Echelon-H> thanks
[01:21] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  maybe, but it shouldnt....
[01:21] <aftertaf> it should ask you for your user pw
[01:21] <p_jnco> is it because
[01:21] <p_jnco> i used root terminal
[01:21] <p_jnco> il log out
[01:21] <p_jnco> and log back it
[01:21] <p_jnco> try again?
[01:21] <p_jnco> =)
[01:21] <aftertaf> hehe ok
[01:21] <Toffer> quit
[01:21] <Echelon-H> is there any logical reason for a unrar to fail?
[01:21] <aftertaf> corrupt archive?
[01:22] <aftertaf> password protected rar?
[01:22] <Echelon-H> dont think it's corrupted
[01:22] <enyc> hrrrm
[01:22] <Echelon-H> nvm
[01:23] <enyc> eche: wrong rar version?
[01:23] <Juul> suddenly it's taking 5 minutes to start "network settings" why could that be?
[01:23] <enyc> eche: remember.. rar is  not free software ...  unrar is a free implementation of SOME rar versions
[01:23] <Echelon-H> nvm i worked it out
[01:23] <enyc> eche: oooh, how dod you manage taht? ;-)
[01:24] <lorenzod> Hi all.
[01:24] <p_jnco> ok great.
[01:24] <Juul> ok, something entirely different: how do i get ubuntu to auto-detect when a network cable has been plugged in/out and take the interface down/up ?
[01:24] <p_jnco> now gksu
[01:24] <p_jnco> is looking for my root pw
[01:24] <p_jnco> still
[01:24] <p_jnco> its because i tried to install it
[01:24] <p_jnco> from root terminal
[01:24] <p_jnco> thats why
[01:24] <p_jnco> wouldnt u say
[01:25] <lorenzod> Has anybody else noticed anything funny when using rhythmbox with auto-rate?
[01:25] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  use your own password.
[01:25] <Echelon-H> enyc, didn't finish download the thingy *dumb dumb*
[01:25] <enyc> eche: lol ok
[01:25] <apokryphos> p_jnco: for the record, it's gksudo 8)
[01:25] <p_jnco> forget it.
[01:25] <p_jnco> oh
[01:25] <aftertaf> apokryphos:  my bad... :/
[01:25] <p_jnco> hehe
[01:25] <p_jnco> well
[01:25] <p_jnco> gksu is abreviated
[01:25] <p_jnco> ok trying sudo apt-get install synaptic from my terminal
[01:25] <p_jnco> not the root terminal
[01:26] <p_jnco> hopefully that will fix it
[01:26] <p_jnco> hopefully
[01:26] <apokryphos> !enter
[01:26] <ubotu> don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It's annoying and spams the channel. Write in complete sentences and keep your replies and questions on one line if possible. Thanks!
[01:26] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  already installed... you need to run it
[01:26] <p_jnco> i try
[01:26] <p_jnco> it asks for pw to root
[01:26] <apokryphos> p_jnco: what was the problem?
[01:26] <aftertaf> gksudo synaptic (put in user passwd)
[01:26] <p_jnco> gksu synaptics
[01:26] <p_jnco> is asking for my root pw
[01:26] <p_jnco> when i try to run it
[01:26] <lorenzod> Playing a song now *decreases* its rating in rhythmbox.
[01:27] <p_jnco> should i be using gksu or gksudo or it doesnt matter
[01:27] <apokryphos> p_jnco: gksu is a *whole nother program*, not good to abbreviate to that.
[01:27] <p_jnco> wows
[01:27] <p_jnco> so is that why
[01:27] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  gksudo synaptic (put in user passwd).... this will run synaptic package manager
[01:27] <p_jnco> oh
[01:27] <p_jnco> so its sudo
[01:27] <nalioth> apokryphos the master button pusher
[01:27] <p_jnco> not su
[01:27] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  this is how we learn things. ;)
[01:28] <ckidd> hi
[01:28] <p_jnco> i guess so huh after
[01:28] <apokryphos> p_jnco: don't use the <Enter> key as punctuation!
[01:28] <jpfarias> hi!
[01:28] <jpfarias> is there any splash image for grub about ubuntu available?
[01:28] <apokryphos> jpfarias: if you're on breezy, yes
[01:28] <jpfarias> apokryphos, how to install it?
[01:29] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  ok, if synaptic is running, we can change your sources.... to get you on to hoary.
[01:29] <jpfarias> I'm on breezy
[01:29] <p_jnco> ok
[01:29] <p_jnco> it worked
[01:29] <p_jnco> now what =)
[01:29] <apokryphos> jpfarias: it's already installed, to set it... sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)
[01:29] <atha> p_jnco: now try not to press enter between every word
[01:29] <p_jnco> sorry habbit
[01:30] <sjj> Anyone here running ubuntu on a laptop? I'm running it on a Dell Inspiron 8600 and am having trouble tuning the power setttings to an acceptable level.
[01:30] <p_jnco> after?
[01:30] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  ok... im reinstalling synaptic to guide you ;)
[01:30] <ckidd> can anybody tell me how to get a linksys wireless notebook adapter to work with ubuntu?
[01:30] <jpfarias> apokryphos, Searching for splash image... none found, skipping...
[01:30] <apokryphos> aftertaf: if you're giving methods for installation, it's good to point to the wiki
[01:30] <sjj> The default settings don't appear to apply any power saving techniques, and if I leave the laptop on unattended for a while (or even while using it) it gets almost unacceptably hot
[01:31] <aftertaf> apokryphos:  yep, but he's on warty with xfree86
[01:31] <p_jnco> thanks after
[01:31] <apokryphos> jpfarias: you're on breezy? Did you have ubuntu-desktop installed before you dist-upgraded?
[01:31] <p_jnco> whats wiki
[01:31] <jpfarias> need to install any package to get the splash?
[01:31] <p_jnco> the other package upgrader?
[01:31] <jpfarias> apokryphos, yes
[01:31] <aftertaf> nope, a guide to using ubuntu....
[01:31] <p_jnco> i think i used this synaptic with redhat
[01:31] <p_jnco> oh
[01:31] <apokryphos> jpfarias: dpkg -l|grep usplash ...gives?
[01:31] <sjj> I'm having a little success playing around with hdparm settings and the like, but I was hoping there'd be some ubuntu way of doing it
[01:31] <[A] ndy80> O_o I'm trying to do a dist-upgrage on my ubuntu breezy and it tell me: the following packages will be removed: 65 packages of xserver-xorg* !!! how is it possible?
[01:32] <jpfarias> ii  usplash                               0.1-10    Userspace bootsplash utility
[01:32] <aftertaf> [A] ndy80:  reupdate and itll go away
[01:32] <p_jnco> maybe it has to remove them
[01:32] <[A] ndy80> aftertaf: apt-get update?
[01:32] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  ok... go to settings menu > repositories
[01:32] <aftertaf> [A] ndy80: yep :)
[01:32] <apokryphos> jpfarias: hm, it's all there, not sure why it's going wrong..
[01:32] <[A] ndy80> aftertaf: thanks :)
[01:33] <p_jnco> ok
[01:33] <p_jnco> one sec
[01:33] <apokryphos> jpfarias: by the way, you *do* mean a splashy, right? Not graphics or whatever for the GRUB boot selector?
[01:33] <jpfarias> I think this usplash is the graphical boot, don't it?
[01:33] <aftertaf> jpfarias:  splash for bootup sequence, or for grub ?
[01:33] <jpfarias> for grub
[01:33] <p_jnco> ok
[01:33] <p_jnco> im there
[01:33] <apokryphos> jpfarias: oh ok, no there isn't one
[01:33] <aftertaf> grub-themes works for me jpfarias
[01:33] <jpfarias> hmm
[01:33] <apokryphos> jpfarias: apparently easy to do (I did it in the past)
[01:34] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  ok...... see those lines archive.ubuntu.com.... with warty written?  change every instance of warty to hoary
[01:34] <p_jnco> ok.
[01:34] <apokryphos> aftertaf: easy way is to recommend sed :)
[01:34] <jpfarias> found grub-splashimages
[01:35] <p_jnco> question
[01:35] <p_jnco> even the ones that arnt checked?
[01:35] <p_jnco> also
[01:35] <aftertaf> apokryphos:  true.... but ive never used it yet myself ;)
[01:35] <p_jnco> just archive.
[01:35] <apokryphos> aftertaf: check your ubotu PM
[01:35] <p_jnco> theres 2 instances
[01:35] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  all that start with deb http:// yes...
[01:35] <p_jnco> well 4 but 2 are checked
[01:35] <aftertaf> heheheh apo :)
[01:36] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  get it to resemble what ubotu will send you
[01:36] <aftertaf> !tell p_jnco about repositories
[01:37] <boxerboy29> i have java on ubuntu and that lets me use it for firefox no how do i get java for opera?
[01:37] <aftertaf> apokryphos:  yeah, i'm complicating things for myself here, i appreciate that ;)
[01:37] <twoSharp> where can i find a list of all packages in base-system, but only base-system like in server installation?
[01:37] <p_jnco> what about http://security.ubuntu
[01:37] <apokryphos> =)
[01:37] <p_jnco> those too?
[01:37] <aftertaf> looool
[01:37] <sobersabre> guys, shall I run apt-get upgrade and then apt-get dist-upgrade or just the latter ?
[01:37] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  yep.
[01:37] <p_jnco> so change to hoary-security
[01:37] <sobersabre> (upgrading hoary to breezy )
[01:37] <WebLOCH> update first
[01:38] <apokryphos> sobersabre: you haven't mentioned what you're trying to do :)
[01:38] <p_jnco> from warty-security
[01:38] <mypapit> sobersabre, usually just do dist-upgrade
[01:38] <p_jnco> then click ok?
[01:38] <sobersabre> ok
[01:38] <sobersabre> thanks
[01:38] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  was the only one active the cdrom?    and YES for warty-security, change too ;)
[01:38] <sobersabre> I am still in the middle of update... so I have some time to think
[01:38] <p_jnco> no
[01:38] <sobersabre> ...
[01:38] <p_jnco> the archive was active
[01:38] <aftertaf> then click ok. and click the update button
[01:38] <p_jnco> as were security
[01:39] <p_jnco> thanks
[01:39] <aftertaf> ok for cdrom.. good ;)
[01:39] <bimberi> twoSharp: you can look at the direct dependencies of the "ubuntu-base" package
[01:39] <sobersabre> which gnome version is in breezy ?
[01:39] <sobersabre> 2.12 ?
[01:39] <apokryphos> yes
[01:39] <sobersabre> kool...
[01:39] <sobersabre> i've been working lately with kde
[01:40] <apokryphos> sobersabre: so why move to the dark side? ;-)
[01:40] <sobersabre> apokryphos, I am like water.
[01:40] <aftertaf> loool apokryphos  ;)
[01:40] <p_jnco> default or smart upgrade?
[01:40] <p_jnco> im hitting mark all upgrades
[01:40] <p_jnco> is that whjat u meant
[01:40] <sobersabre> apokryphos, and for me, gnome is less dark side...
[01:40] <aftertaf> yep..... smart upgrade
[01:40] <sobersabre> inspite i am on kde ;-)
[01:41] <twoSharp> bimberi: =)
[01:41] <apokryphos> sobersabre: the force will no longer be wth you, young Skywalker.
[01:41] <aftertaf> itll update a lot of stuff... then you'l need to reboot.
[01:41] <sobersabre> apokryphos, I am like water.
[01:41] <apokryphos> sobersabre: wow, that's almost poetic :P
[01:41] <sobersabre> it is poetic in some languages.
[01:42] <aftertaf> !use_the_force
[01:42] <ubotu> aftertaf: I give up, what is it?
[01:42] <sobersabre> OK, guys, I am goin out of X during the upgrade.
[01:42] <sobersabre> thanks for the help.,
[01:42] <p_jnco> sigh
[01:43] <p_jnco> i got an eror about bsdutils not being able to upgrade
[01:43] <p_jnco> then it all went to shit
[01:43] <boxerboy29> who do i have to screw to get xcommon to update
[01:43] <aftertaf> ok.... in gnome, open up this file:  /etc/apt/sources.list and paste it to me as a private message
[01:44] <p_jnco> k
[01:44] <p_jnco> its working now
[01:44] <aftertaf> hehe cool
[01:44] <aftertaf> how many meg to download?
[01:45] <p_jnco> a lot
[01:45] <twoSharp> bimberi, Now I've found it in ubuntu-minimal :) But how can I remove some of the packages, and fix it so it installs anyway, just without the packages I, don't want?
[01:45] <punkrockmcduck> hi everybody!
[01:45] <WebLOCH> anyone around fancy addressing a sound problem?
[01:45] <p_jnco> 799 files
[01:45] <p_jnco> 15 min worth
[01:45] <punkrockmcduck> do I need to worry about compatability issues with wireless optical mice?
[01:45] <p_jnco> highspeed
[01:45] <locomorto> Does anyone know if ubuntu is going to fix the usb flash drive problem anytime soon?
[01:45] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  ok... when done, reboot ;)    long live 700 kbps
[01:45] <elad`> How do I make the Num Lock led on by default?
[01:46] <p_jnco> longlive 2400bps
[01:46] <rdfm> hmmmm pppoeconf doesn't always do the right thing..... http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16127
[01:46] <twoSharp> bimberi, any ideas?
[01:46] <WebLOCH> anyone around want to give me links to any non-standard advice on audio deviceS?
[01:47] <bimberi> twoSharp: what's the issue - lack of HDD capacity?
[01:47] <p_jnco> SYNAPTIC OWNZ U
[01:47] <p_jnco> SYNAPTIC OWNZ U
[01:47] <p_jnco> lol
[01:47] <WebLOCH> p_jnco,  how old are you ?
[01:47] <p_jnco> 22
[01:47] <p_jnco> lol
[01:48] <WebLOCH> haha
[01:48] <WebLOCH> harsh
[01:48] <p_jnco> SYNATPIC BEATS WINDOWS UPDATE HANDS DOWN
[01:48] <punkrockmcduck> wireless usb mice, anybody know of compatability issues, or do they just work like regular usb mice?
[01:48] <aftertaf> and you're happy it's working..... this is just the start of a long relationship
[01:48] <WebLOCH> you're a year older than me :P
[01:48] <p_jnco> they arnt on the same scene
[01:48] <p_jnco> and/or scale
[01:48] <WebLOCH> synaptic is for girls!
[01:48] <apokryphos> p_jnco: alright, no shouting please
[01:48] <p_jnco> klolol
[01:48] <WebLOCH> apt-get is how the men do it
[01:48] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  but you can get told off for shouting & stuff..... ;)
[01:48] <ol> while trying to boot, last line before my install freezes is hw_random: RNG not detected... bad?
[01:48] <p_jnco> synaptic is for girls
[01:48] <p_jnco> lol
[01:49] <aftertaf> WebLOCH:  true, but can't run when you've never walked in linux ;)
[01:49] <twoSharp> bimberi, I really like ubuntu and its wy of debian.. I have an assignment to build a linux distro thats secure and very fast.  So I want to try making a stripped ubuntu, maybe using xfce or fluxbox instead of gnome... is this possible?
[01:49] <WebLOCH> are you a girl?
[01:49] <p_jnco> someone will rip me apart
[01:49] <nalioth> gentlebeings, comparisons can be made in #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:49] <punkrockmcduck> synaptic is good for telling me when I need to update, but then I just run apt to do it.
[01:49] <p_jnco> im such a noob lol
[01:49] <WebLOCH> aftertaf, I know, was just joking really
[01:49] <p_jnco> no
[01:49] <nalioth> twoSharp: yes it's possible
[01:49] <p_jnco> sorry nerds dont get girls...nerd.
[01:49] <irvin> i'm on breezy but there was an error during my update/upgrade
[01:49] <irvin> x-common won't install
[01:49] <irvin> dpkg error code 1
[01:49] <twoSharp> naioth: any hints so i can make it fourther?
[01:49] <WebLOCH> thats a lie, thats a lie!
[01:49] <punkrockmcduck> i had the same problem earlier.
[01:50] <aftertaf> irvin:  it happens, try apt-get update again.
[01:50] <nalioth> gentlebeings: a/s/l talk in #ubuntu-offtopic please
[01:50] <bimberi> twoSharp: yes, start with a "server install" and build from there
[01:50] <WebLOCH> I had a girl.
[01:50] <p_jnco> twosharp we charge a consulting fee here
[01:50] <WebLOCH> I swear it!
[01:50] <p_jnco> pm me and i will tell u where to send
[01:50] <p_jnco> JK!
[01:50] <aftertaf> WebLOCH:   p_jnco you can banter all you want in offtopic
[01:50] <ferdi> Hi everybody
[01:50] <WebLOCH> aftertaf, yeah I know, its just nice to have some general chat in the main room, lightens the mood, ill shutup now
[01:50] <SanderD> Hi. I've got an AMD64 processor. Can I run all 32-bit applications (including games) in a 32-bit chroot, or should I just use the i386 kernel instead of the AMD64 version?
[01:51] <irvin> aftertaf, same error
[01:51] <lorenzod> OK, trying again: rhythmbox-0.9.0-0ubuntu5
[01:51] <aftertaf> WebLOCH:  dont bother me... but ppls probs can get drowned out and it can end up messy..... ;)
[01:51] <nalioth> SanderD: for maximum usage, use a x86 kernel
[01:51] <WebLOCH> aftertaf, yeah its true :(
[01:51] <lorenzod> And the previous number of versions..
[01:51] <twoSharp> bimberi, nalioth: but when I have removed and added all packages that i want, how can i then make a install cd so my class can get a copy?
[01:51] <lorenzod> It seems auto-rate is a bit upside-down..
[01:51] <aftertaf> irvin:  looking
[01:52] <p_jnco> do people make fun of ubuntu and call it linux for noobs.. or is that koppix?
[01:52] <bimberi> twoSharp: ah, not sure about that sorry
[01:52] <nalioth> twoSharp: now that's a different kettle of fish. you want to know how to remaster the liveCd, right?
[01:52] <lorenzod> Anybody else notice that songs decrease in rating them more you play them?
[01:52] <apokryphos> p_jnco: never heard someome say knoppix is linux for noobs
[01:52] <nalioth> p_jnco: thats us, all new users
[01:52] <WebLOCH> isn't koppix what you do with boobs?
[01:52] <p_jnco> what about ubuntu
[01:52] <WebLOCH> or is that coppin
[01:53] <p_jnco> gentoo is the ticket.
[01:53] <p_jnco> emerge..
[01:53] <aftertaf> windows is linux for n00bs..... ubuntu is great for those who want to get to know linux properly
[01:53] <p_jnco> u cant mess with emerge
[01:53] <p_jnco> well its great stuff
[01:53] <p_jnco> il tell ya
[01:53] <SanderD> nalioth: There won't be a big difference in speed if I use an x86 kernel instead of AMD64?
[01:53] <WebLOCH> I think ubuntu's biggest problem, is that its the "nice, moral" way of doing things
[01:53] <p_jnco> and its giving me good access to the gui but at the same time probing me to use the command line
[01:53] <p_jnco> its too nice
[01:53] <ctp6360> SanderD, it will be 0.04 seconds slower on every operation
[01:53] <WebLOCH> which puts it at natural disadvantage
[01:53] <p_jnco> its like the aol of linux
[01:53] <adl> ubuntu is also great for more professional linux users who want a good reliable system that they just can use they way they want to ...
[01:54] <apokryphos> p_jnco: please do NOT press <Enter> every few seconds; it floods the channel and is annoying :)
[01:54] <p_jnco> damn
[01:54] <p_jnco> damn i keep diong that i apologize its force of habbit
[01:54] <SanderD> ctp6360: Hm, I don't think I'll notice that. Could I upgrade from x86 to amd64 when that's 'better supported'?
[01:54] <p_jnco> im gonna explore the wonderful world of the sudo command
[01:55] <twoSharp> nalioth: maybe, im not sure.. What I want is to make a minimal, secure and very fast distro.. using fxce or fluxbox instead of gnome.. and then I need to make a dummy-package like ubuntu-minimal, ubuntu-desktop, etc. just an empty packgae with the dependencies..
[01:55] <nalioth> twoSharp: to install or run live?
[01:55] <bimberi> twoSharp: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo
[01:55] <twoSharp> nalioth, to install
[01:55] <WebLOCH> twoSharp,  there is no point in doing that unless you use old outdated hardware
[01:55] <twoSharp> and maybe live later..
[01:55] <ctp6360> SanderD, I don't think so mate...I have an AMD64 too and I have used the amd64 version before....in short, the hassles of trying to get 32bit stuff to run on 64bit are not worth the MINIMAL speed increase it provides
[01:55] <bimberi> twoSharp: ... except that's for LiveCD :|
[01:56] <nalioth> twoSharp: you may wish to ask your question in a few hours
[01:56] <WebLOCH> twoSharp,  all of the performance you save isn't worth jack if your hardware doesnt work :P
[01:56] <jpfarias> hey guys, x-common is buggy on today update
[01:56] <bob2> WebLOCH: disadvantage compared to what?
[01:56] <ctp6360> SanderD, remember, 64bit stuff is only good for cpu-intensive operations like encoding videos and stuff, unless you do that constantly i would recommend the 386 version
[01:56] <bob2> jpfarias: yes, don't install it
[01:56] <p_jnco> ah okay. so since root is logged out. we use sudo it initialize root commands/functions from our own login
[01:56] <bob2> jpfarias: also, /topic
[01:56] <twoSharp> nalioth, what then?
[01:56] <irvin> jpfarias, yes
[01:56] <irvin> broke my mine too
[01:56] <WebLOCH> bob2, MS have clearly done the opposite, they're big and mean, as a result they dominate market, now we cant get decent drivers for new hardware in linux
[01:56] <apokryphos> p_jnco: check wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for more information
[01:56] <aftertaf> p_jnco:  sort of yeah
[01:56] <aftertaf> !sudo
[01:56] <ubotu> rumour has it, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:56] <nalioth> twoSharp: hopefully some developers/otherknowledgablepeople/spaceAliens will be here and can assist you further
[01:56] <twoSharp> WebLOCH, Its an school assignment, about knowing linuxand its sooftwaqre..
[01:57] <bob2> WebLOCH: which new hardware has no linux drivers?
[01:57] <WebLOCH> twoSharp,  thats cool
[01:57] <WebLOCH> bob2, a Lot of Asus motherboards as they dont support it
[01:57] <WebLOCH> bob2,  a whole bunch of my hardware
[01:57] <SanderD> ctp6360: Okay, thanks. I think you're right, I don't like this chroot thing --- still not everything works properly. I'll install the x86 version of Breezy when it's released.
[01:57] <bob2> WebLOCH: evidence?
[01:57] <twoSharp> nalioth, ok :) but do you have any ideas of how to make a dummy-package with dependencies I choose?
[01:57] <bob2> twoSharp: "equivs"
[01:58] <aftertaf> bob2:  true, ive heard a couple of ppl with laptops asus mboards and onboard stuff not supported.
[01:58] <twoSharp> bob2 :)
[01:58] <apokryphos> WebLOCH: all Asus I've seen support Linux fine and dandy; not that I've tried that many (my brother runs, and I did for a bit)
[01:58] <nalioth> twoSharp: ask bob2 (he's one of the aforementioned spaceAliens)
[01:58] <ctp6360> SanderD, I think that's the most sensible way to do it, I don't like the chroot idea either and you don't want to miss out on certain apps just for a tiny inperceptable speed difference
[01:58] <twoSharp> hehe
[01:58] <WebLOCH> apokryphos, what about the P5WD2 Premium?
[01:58] <codenut> Anyone using ubuntu to work with thier cellphones?
[01:58] <p_jnco> this is fun
[01:58] <bob2> I'd be very surprised if linux failed to work on any desktops
[01:58] <WebLOCH> apokryphos, Ubuntu is running now, but it doesnt recognise the hardware
[01:58] <WebLOCH> bob2,  I did not say it didnt work
[01:58] <apokryphos> WebLOCH: not one I've tried, unfortunately
[01:59] <WebLOCH> bob2, but if you dont have specific drivers ubuntu can hardly be making the best use of the hardware
[01:59] <bob2> WebLOCH: so, your sound not working != linux not supporting it
[01:59] <WebLOCH> No not at all
[01:59] <bob2> WebLOCH: that's really not how things work outside windows
[01:59] <WebLOCH> bob2, I wasnt talking about that at all
[01:59] <bob2> "specific drivers" is not even really defined
[01:59] <WebLOCH> bob2, I know my soundcard is installed
[01:59] <bob2> lots of drivers have work arounds for shitty bugs
[02:00] <bob2> e.g. the 8139too driver is one big workaround for the fact realtek can't design ethernet controllers
[02:00] <WebLOCH> bob2, which is fair enough
[02:00] <WebLOCH> bob2, far too much is "work arounds" due to poor design
[02:00] <WebLOCH> ubuntu is differnt
[02:00] <Linux_Galore> know the funny thing about he 8139 driver, it works better in Linux than using the native driver in Windows
[02:00] <WebLOCH> linux overall is differnt, its the fact that it is well designed in a poorly implemented world that causes the problem
[02:01] <Linux_Galore> Ive come to the conclusion people can say "Linux doesn't do this or that", but Im still going to be using Linux
[02:01] <WebLOCH> Well I am
[02:02] <WebLOCH> Despite what I said
[02:02] <Linux_Galore> I can live with Linux, bit not with windows
[02:02] <sobersabre> i am upgrading hoary to breezy. it is soooo SLOOOOWWW!
[02:02] <Linux_Galore> but*
[02:02] <sobersabre> archive.ubuntu.com
[02:02] <WebLOCH> sobersabre, wait 20 days
[02:02] <crtr> how to delete a directory ? rm -i PATH ?
[02:02] <Linux_Galore> sobersabre: depends on your connection and what mirror you use
[02:03] <Linux_Galore> ctp6360: rmdir
[02:03] <fredforfaen> how do i start OO beta....i have both 113 and beta installed....anyone?
[02:03] <WebLOCH> crtr, sudo rm -rd path
[02:03] <sobersabre> which mirror is there in europe/middle east ?
[02:03] <WebLOCH> Linux_Galore,  rmdir is only for empty directories
[02:03] <helpme> hiya guys:)
[02:03] <aftertaf> fredforfaen:  it shold have appeared in your menu... if on gnome restart X
[02:04] <crtr> 10x
[02:04] <Linux_Galore> WebLOCH: rmdir --ignore-fail-on-non-empty
[02:04] <Linux_Galore> lol
[02:04] <fredforfaen> aftertaf ok...but do you know what the binary is called?
[02:04] <sobersabre> oh. it got better ( 80k ) but still below ny cap.
[02:04] <toxicle> hi guys ... is there an ncurses way of configuring your network ?
[02:04] <boxerboy29> whats the chances that someone tried to do updates on breezy this morning and couldnt upgrade the xcommon?
[02:04] <WebLOCH> Linux_Galore, Im pretty sure that just doesnt tell you if it fails, it doesnt actually remove the dir tho?
[02:04] <sobersabre> is gcc 4 the default gcc under breezy ?
[02:04] <DuDe> hello
[02:04] <aftertaf> fredforfaen:  nope.....
[02:04] <Linux_Galore> WebLOCH: it removes it even if its full
[02:04] <fredforfaen> damn
[02:04] <WebLOCH> sobersabre, if you install it yeah
[02:04] <bob2> toxicle: vim /etc/network/interfaces
[02:04] <bob2> sobersabre: yes
[02:04] <thesaltydog> how can I have smaller fonts in console output, having usplash at boot?
[02:04] <fredforfaen> ok ill restart x then..brb
[02:04] <WebLOCH> Linux_Galore,  ahh
[02:04] <aftertaf> fredforfaen:  hang on...
[02:04] <alisher>    
[02:05] <bob2> sobersabre: basically everything aside from the kernel is compiled with it
[02:05] <bob2> boxerboy29: /topic
[02:05] <bob2> seriously, folks
[02:05] <alisher> same problem w xcommon
[02:05] <toxicle> bob2: is there a man for interfaces file ?
[02:05] <elad`> I don't want Ubuntu to update my clock whenever I start the computer (actually, at all). How do I change that?
[02:05] <bob2> DO NOT USE BREEZY IF YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO USE APT
[02:05] <atha> sobersabre: http://il.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[02:05] <aftertaf> ooffice2 -base
[02:05] <boxerboy29> bob2: are you saying thats off topic?
[02:05] <bob2> elad`: sudo rm /etc/rcS.d/S*ntp*
[02:05] <atha> according to your host should be quite close
[02:05] <bob2> boxerboy29: I'm saying it's a known issue, which is in the topic
[02:05] <toxicle> !backports
[02:05] <aftertaf> fredforfaen:  ooffice2 -base
[02:05] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[02:05] <sobersabre> atha i have bad experience with il. mirrors, like outdated or missing packages...
[02:05] <boxerboy29> oh ok ty
[02:05] <Linux_Galore> WebLOCH: I should hack the code for rmdir and change that verbose flag to -i
[02:06] <helpme> can i add whatever repos i want...like non-free ones?
[02:06] <WebLOCH> Linux_Galore, I think ill probably just use rm anyway
[02:06] <fredforfaen> aftertaf thanx
[02:06] <bob2> sobersabre: il.archive.ubuntu.com points at archive.ubuntu.com
[02:06] <bob2> helpme: you can do whatever you want, but if you use non-ubuntu repositories, you're on your own when you break it
[02:06] <toxicle> bob2: what is the correct line to add if i wanna set static ip for my box?
[02:07] <boxerboy29> bob2 ty
[02:07] <aftertaf> toxicle:  eth0 inet static
[02:07] <fredforfaen> aftertaf dont have that binary
[02:07] <fredforfaen> :(
[02:07] <DuDe> I can't get my scroll on my mouse to work
[02:07] <Linux_Galore> sobersabre: Ubuntu uses pretty up_to_date packages and Debian mirrors have a habbit of erring on the safe side with older packages
[02:07] <toxicle> aftertaf: don't seem to work ... i had to use dhcp to really get on the net
[02:07] <twoSharp> what was the shell command for showing every packages installed on system atm?
[02:07] <aftertaf> toxicle:  iface eth0 inet static... the you set the config yourself.
[02:07] <toxicle> although the ip is correct but domains just won't resolve
[02:08] <toxicle> resolve.conf is correct
[02:08] <aftertaf> fredforfaen:  hmmm. ooffice2 ??
[02:08] <helpme> bob2: but in debian.theres hardly any fear of breaking the system...then why in ubuntu when its debian-based?
[02:08] <bob2> helpme: wtf
[02:08] <thesaltydog> how can I have smaller fonts in console output, having usplash at boot?
[02:08] <helpme> debian is tougher than ubuntu?
[02:08] <bob2> helpme: in debian you're just as screwed if you use shitty apt sources
[02:08] <bob2> helpme: no, you're just wrong
[02:08] <apokryphos> toxicle: under #The primary network interface etc... put iface ethX (usually eth0) inet static; next line put address 10.0.0.XX, next line netmask, next line gateway, then next line "auto eth0)
[02:08] <Linux_Galore> helpme: Debian based doesnt mean "it is debian"
[02:08] <fredforfaen> aftertaf dont have it , i just did a locate ooffice2 and nada!
[02:08] <aftertaf> helpme:  in debian you can shaft the whole thing in 2 seconds with deb http//crap.com
[02:08] <sobersabre> toxicle there are networks that don't allow auxilary IPs to be taken.
[02:09] <toxicle> apokryphos: thanks
[02:09] <helpme> bob2: u shouldnt be abusive atleast
[02:09] <aftertaf> fredforfaen:  no idea thezn.
[02:09] <bob2> helpme: I'm not being abusive, I'm politely correcting you
[02:09] <toxicle> sobersabre: it's my own router
[02:09] <fredforfaen> aftertaf damn
[02:09] <thesaltydog> where can I read the full kernel options available for 2.6.12-9?
[02:09] <sobersabre> toxicle so you've got a typo in interfaces file.
[02:09] <bob2> thesaltydog: /boot/
[02:09] <aftertaf> toxicle:  man interfaces......
[02:10] <thesaltydog> bob2, tnx
[02:10] <DuDe> God damnit, again, I can't get anything to work that needs a password
[02:10] <WebLOCH> helpme, he's had a lot of hassle and a lot of caffeine, i havent seen him shutup since i've been here.  Although I think he gave up on me hours ago
[02:10] <aftertaf> thesaltydog:  in your config file in /boot/
[02:10] <Linux_Galore> one thing Ive learnt in the 8 years Ive used LInux......use the "official" package server, if its not thete download the taball and compile it
[02:10] <DuDe> But I have to get to work, so I will be back in about 7-8 hours
[02:10] <juerry> hi there, someone works with audio editing?
[02:10] <Linux_Galore> there*
[02:10] <elad`> bob2, I moved it to ~/, and saw it move there (actually, seemed like it was a shortcut), then it disappeared!
[02:10] <bob2> DuDe: did you touch your sudo or password configuration?
[02:10] <toxicle> thanks :)
[02:10] <bob2> elad`: ok...
[02:10] <bob2> elad`: there's no reason to move it
[02:10] <thesaltydog> aftertaf, bob2, no, sorry.. I was speaking about grub command line options, such as console=tty0, etc..
[02:11] <elad`> bob2, I didn't want to delete it.
[02:11] <helpme> will ubuntu always stick to this sudo system?
[02:11] <bob2> thesaltydog: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:11] <bob2> elad`: why? it's a symlink.
[02:11] <apokryphos> helpme: unless something better comes along. Currently it's easily the superior model
[02:11] <twoSharp> what is the command for showing every application thats installed on system?
[02:11] <elad`> A what?
[02:11] <bob2> helpme: yes, but competent admins use sudo on Debian and other systems, anyway
[02:11] <Linux_Galore> helpme: yes untill someone figures out a better method
[02:11] <bob2> elad`: nevermind, but there's no reason to move it instead of deleting it
[02:11] <thesaltydog> bob2, the full available commands list?
[02:11] <aftertaf> thesaltydog:  ohhh ok... dunno ;)
[02:11] <bob2> twoSharp: dpkg -l | grep ^ii
[02:12] <Madeye> guys, is there net installer for ubuntu ?
[02:12] <Airk> hi. how to change the path inside the gnome environment (not in gnome-console or xterm)?
[02:12] <aftertaf> helpme:  sudo is good....... stops root damage
[02:12] <bob2> Madeye: yes, but not what you think
[02:12] <DuDe> bob2, this happened last time I installed Ubuntu, and I came in here, and some dude helped me out, but I can't remember who he was
[02:12] <elad`> bob2, it appears in red letters under a black background when I "ls -a" where it now is.
[02:12] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Madeye about install
[02:12] <juerry> ok, let's say in another way... wich program/s can i install to make audio editing?
[02:12] <bob2> thesaltydog: install grub-doc
[02:12] <helpme> apokryphos: i dont think it is better imho...anyways lets not start a flame war..lets just chill:)
[02:12] <thesaltydog> ok
[02:12] <bob2> elad`: yes, because it's a broken link
[02:12] <elad`> bob2, what does that mean?
[02:12] <Linux_Galore> helpme: if you want a windows like distro with no admin security go try Linspire........but if you make an error your up for a fresh install
[02:12] <elad`> ah
[02:12] <bob2> elad`: as I said, there's no reason to keep it
[02:12] <WebLOCH> juerry, check apt-get
[02:12] <bob2> DuDe: how did you break it?
[02:12] <elad`> Testing if it's worked.
[02:12] <twoSharp> bob2: Im pretty sure theres another more easy one.. i just cant remember it...
[02:12] <apokryphos> helpme: it's pretty much objectively better (not a matter of opinion), but hey.
[02:13] <WebLOCH> Linux_Galore, I remember when Linspire was Lindows
[02:13] <bimberi> juerry: audacity
[02:13] <WebLOCH> Linux_Galore, I remember when Linspire was called something I cant remember hahaha
[02:13] <helpme> Linux_Galore: hey i didnt mean that......windows can never match linux in security
[02:13] <DuDe> Some guy in here helped me out, he had me do some editing of something
[02:13] <apokryphos> Lindows *cough*
[02:13] <Linux_Galore> WebLOCH:  POS Linux ??
[02:13] <Linux_Galore> heh heh
[02:13] <helpme> i installed quake2 via apt-get..but i get jerky sound..plz help......any fixes?
[02:13] <WebLOCH> Linux_Galore, yeah it was nasty, and you had to pay to be on the beta testing list
[02:13] <juerry> bimbery: audacity seems too bad, i'm searching something better
[02:14] <Linux_Galore> WebLOCH: aah I remember that, really stupid idea
[02:14] <WebLOCH> quake2 is available for free?
[02:14] <juerry> bimbery: in windows i'm using steinberg wave lab and others
[02:14] <WebLOCH> Linux_Galore, well yeah it did help cripple things for them
[02:14] <Linux_Galore> WebLOCH: I cant see any serious FOSs developer getting hung up on that one
[02:15] <tommae> hi, anybody know a tool to look for double mp3 files with different names
[02:15] <WebLOCH> FOS?
[02:15] <helpme> any help plz..i get jerky incoherent sound in quake 2 which i installed via apt-get.....
[02:15] <Linux_Galore> Only thing I will give Linspire kudos for is NVU
[02:15] <WebLOCH> Linux_Galore, yeah Nvu is okay, but its based on the old netscape code
[02:15] <_DuDe_> ok, bye, be back in about 7-8 hours
[02:15] <sQ> hi. I don't not have any partition on my HDD, but can I install ubuntu together with my existing winxp without affecting it? thanks.
[02:15] <twoSharp> Linux_Galore, NVU ain't that great...
[02:15] <bimberi> juerry: fair enough, btw have a look at what happens when you type bim<tab>
[02:16] <helpme> what is nvu?
[02:16] <apokryphos> Linux_Galore: the *only* thing? They have a pretty good package management system - -kept up-to-date and sorted by applications rather than packages
[02:16] <Linux_Galore> WebLOCH: they paid the mozilla guys for it...........though it was just a cleaned up version of Mozilla Composer
[02:16] <juerry> bimberi, sorry
[02:16] <apokryphos> Linux_Galore: I also hear they have jack, but it's not like I'm the authority on sound engines for Linux :)
[02:16] <bimberi> juerry: np :)
[02:16] <fredforfaen> Does anybody have any idea how i can start oo beta in hoary , i have 113 and beta installed , but i cant seem to find the binary for beta...help pls.....
[02:16] <juerry> bimberi, do you now some other solutions?
[02:17] <toxicle> !backports
[02:17] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[02:17] <Linux_Galore> Fred its called ooffice1.9
[02:17] <helpme> anyway to turn ntfs to fat32...plz?
[02:17] <bimberi> juerry: no, just aware of audacity, others (or google) may know better :)
[02:17] <juerry> bimberi, many professionists use linux for audio editing, but i'm wondering how
[02:17] <apokryphos> helpme: gparted
[02:17] <Linux_Galore> fredforfaen: type oo[TAB] 
[02:17] <helpme> apokryphos: it really changes ntfs to fat32!
[02:18] <bimberi> juerry: there might be commercial packages available.  Ubuntu is about Free software tho
[02:18] <WebLOCH> Linux_Galore, yeah its interesting to see the natural development, I found a binary-compatible OCX that wrapped the mozilla browser so you could substitute the IE one used in apps.  So you could patch Outlook Express to use the mozilla control.
[02:18] <sQ> hi. I don't not have any partition on my HDD, but can I install ubuntu together with my existing winxp without affecting it? thanks.
[02:18] <juerry> bimberi, uhm... i hope google will help me, but it is so stupid :p
[02:18] <apokryphos> helpme: it has the option to format an NTFS partition to a fat32 one, yes, I'm pretty sure.
[02:18] <helpme> apokryphos: can qtparted do that? i have qtparted installed.......
[02:18] <fredforfaen> Linux_Galore done that and i just get the 00 1.1.3 binarys
[02:18] <apokryphos> helpme: yes
[02:18] <bimberi> juerry: lol
[02:18] <Linux_Galore> fredforfaen: so you just downloaded the binary tarball ??
[02:18] <sQ> anyone can help?
[02:18] <fredforfaen> no i installed the debs
[02:19] <fredforfaen> Linux_Galore <---
[02:19] <juerry> bimberi, ok, maybe i can ask a friend of mine about this
[02:19] <Linux_Galore> fredforfaen: querry the package and see were it install oooffice1.9
[02:19] <bimberi> sQ: the installer can attempt to resize the windows partition to make room for ubuntu - back up first though
[02:19] <fredforfaen> Linux_Galore how so i so that ?
[02:19] <Linux_Galore> fredforfaen: then just ling  oooffice1.9 to /usr/bin
[02:19] <fredforfaen> so/do
[02:19] <Linux_Galore> link*
[02:20] <sQ> bimberi: okay. thanks. so the installation most likely will not affect my other files?
[02:20] <fredforfaen> Linux_Galore but i cant find oooffice1.9 anywhere?
[02:20] <fredforfaen> i just did a updatedb and locate oooffice1.9
[02:20] <fredforfaen> nada :(
[02:20] <WebLOCH> fredforfaen, ooffice2 is actually 1.9.something
[02:20] <WebLOCH> fredforfaen, at least a few days ago it was
[02:21] <Linux_Galore> fredforfaen: then I suspect its not installed and the install failed
[02:21] <Linux_Galore> WebLOCH: try locate soffice
[02:21] <fredforfaen> Linux_Galore dpkg gave me all ok ....
[02:21] <WebLOCH> Linux_Galore,  is that a challenge or a request?
[02:21] <bimberi> sQ: it shouldn't but don't assume - there's some more info here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/forum/installation/Partitioning
[02:22] <Linux_Galore> request
[02:22] <toxicle> hi
[02:22] <sQ> bimberi: thanks alot..
[02:22] <helpme> windows guys dont know abt such great tools like qtparted...they think partition magic is all that there is lol
[02:22] <toxicle> is it ok if i add a few backports repos ?
[02:22] <WebLOCH> Linux_Galore, http://globalspecials.sun.com/servlet/ControllerServlet?Action=DisplayPage&Locale=en_GB&id=ProductDetailsPage&SiteID=sunstor&productID=36270000&Env=BASE
[02:22] <bimberi> sQ: yw :)
[02:22] <fredforfaen> :(
[02:23] <WebLOCH> toxicle, you can add them, just be weary
[02:23] <fredforfaen> i havent got soffice there either :(
[02:23] <jkrogh> Any font experts around..
[02:23] <user6> mae
[02:23] <jkrogh> I'm running ltsp and after af "hard" reboot..  all fonts look ugly.
[02:23] <Linux_Galore> WebLOCH: no I was talking to fredforfaen.......locate soffice........sometimes its  oooffice1.9 sometimes soffice
[02:23] <WebLOCH> :O SOFFICE IS NO LONGER FREE!
[02:24] <WebLOCH> oh right
[02:24] <fredforfaen> i found it !!!! yeeehaaaaa
[02:24] <toxicle> WebLOCH: is ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net safe?
[02:24] <fredforfaen> thanx gyes
[02:24] <Linux_Galore> fredforfaen: did you run locatedb with sudo
[02:24] <WebLOCH> toxicle, not sure to be honest, if you are using breezy, then I would say no
[02:24] <fredforfaen> Linux_Galore yeah , and you where right it isnt linked
[02:24] <fredforfaen> linked to /usr/bin
[02:24] <fredforfaen> i mean
[02:25] <elad`> I want to stop 127.0.0.1 from being added to my hostname list (or maybe I shouldn't?) and only have 10.0.0.138 in there. Help?
[02:25] <elad`> bob2, the clock thing worked, thanks.
[02:25] <toxicle> WebLOCH: i'm on hoary
[02:25] <Linux_Galore> fredforfaen: the openoffice package doesnt link in just in case you have a version already installed
[02:25] <thesaltydog> if I use usplash I have to remove vga=791 from menu.lst How can I keep my small fonts in a console session, without getting rid of usplash?
[02:25] <nalioth> elad`: why do you want that?
[02:25] <WebLOCH> toxicle, yeah that should be okay but pay attention to what you download carefully
[02:26] <Linux_Galore> fredforfaen: O had to link oooffice1.9 in
[02:26] <Linux_Galore> I*
[02:26] <fredforfaen> i c
[02:26] <fredforfaen> just did it
[02:26] <fredforfaen> and it works :))
[02:26] <elad`> nalioth, I think that's how it should be. Am I wrong? It takes me a while to connect to IRC, and it's always hanging up on the "host" thingie.
[02:26] <elad`> And before I added "10.0.0.138" to there, sometimes it wouldn't connect at all.
[02:26] <toxicle> WebLOCH: what do i look for?
[02:27] <Linux_Galore> fredforfaen: just create a desktop icon and your done
[02:27] <WebLOCH> elad`, unless you use IDENT you will hang for awhile
[02:27] <fredforfaen> Linux_Galore yeah im gonna , pretty lean , thanx alot!
[02:27] <elad`> How do I use IDENT?
[02:27] <nalioth> elad`: i dont think that's your problem
[02:27] <WebLOCH> toxicle, couldn't tell you, i use the backports, but then again I dont care if it breaks
[02:27] <WebLOCH> elad`, you would need to install an IDENTd
[02:27] <indypende> my webcam stop and dmesg give me this output http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2458, no one know why?
[02:28] <Linux_Galore> fredforfaen: edit the settings........the GUI has three different themes
[02:28] <WebLOCH> elad`, it wouldnt be worth the effort, just wait the couple of seconds
[02:28] <fredforfaen> Linux_Galore cool
[02:28] <Linux_Galore> fredforfaen: I use the "industrial" theme
[02:28] <toxicle> WebLOCH: hahah great then :)
[02:28] <boxerboy29> indypende: if im not mistaken thats the site we use to paste things in
[02:29] <kataklysm> is there anyway to add desktop icons in xfce4?
[02:29] <fredforfaen> Linux_Galore :)
[02:29] <elad`> How do I installed identd?
[02:29] <WebLOCH> toxicle, I wish you the best of luck if you continue to use them, ive had no problems so far
[02:29] <WebLOCH> elad`, google it
[02:29] <elad`> ident2?
[02:29] <indypende> boxerboy29, yes..
[02:29] <pc22> shabbat shalom
[02:30] <indypende> look the link for my output
[02:30] <boxerboy29> kataklysm: cant you right click desktop and set icons that way?
[02:30] <indypende> my webcam stop and dmesg give me this output http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2458, no one know why?
[02:30] <helpme> how do i unmount c & d drives? it says device is busy
[02:30] <atha> indypende: have you tried removing and reinserting the device?
[02:30] <juerry> indypende, hi there :p
[02:30] <Linux_Galore> indypende: seems the driver isnt talking to the device
[02:30] <indypende> atha, i try now
[02:30] <helpme> how do i unmount C: & D: win drives? it says device is busy........
[02:31] <WebLOCH> helpme, just leave them
[02:31] <WebLOCH> helpme, reboot
[02:31] <Toma-> !tell helpme fuser
[02:31] <juerry> i have a problem installing the x-common 1.08 update in breezy
[02:31] <Toma-> damn you ubotu
[02:31] <juerry> it give me an error
[02:31] <Linux_Galore> yeah lol........if you boot up with some webcams "plugged in" you have to unplug them and plug them in again
[02:31] <elad`> I installed ident2, and the wait didnt' get any shorter. Should I reboot, or was it just not the problem?
[02:31] <helpme> without rebooting??? anyway?
[02:32] <juerry> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.08_all.deb: overwriting `/usr/lib/X11/fonts'
[02:32] <Linux_Galore> helpme: Linux doesnt have c and d drives
[02:32] <WebLOCH> elad`,  maybe it was the wrong software, maybe its not running, maybe its not configured and maybe its not the problem at all
[02:32] <elad`> brb
[02:32] <Linux_Galore> helpme: linux has hda  hdb  etc
[02:32] <WebLOCH> elad`, just google "LINUX IDENT" and learn how to use it properly that might yield the answer
[02:32] <helpme> Linux_Galore: yes yes i mean hda1 & hda5
[02:33] <Toma-> helpme: try sudo fuser -K /dev/hdb
[02:33] <Toma-> or hda1
[02:33] <adl> helpme: are you probably in a directory of such a drive?
[02:33] <Linux_Galore> helpme:  umount  /dev/hda5
[02:33] <WebLOCH> Linux_Galore, are you trying to tell me it has a firm, stable, device basis
[02:33] <juerry> some ideas?
[02:33] <Linux_Galore> WebLOCH: ??
[02:33] <thesaltydog> it looks like if I had to use usplash I cannot set small fonts in console
[02:33] <WebLOCH> Linux_Galore, it was a positive joke, didnt really work too well it would see
[02:34] <WebLOCH> m*
[02:34] <Linux_Galore> ??
[02:34] <WebLOCH> ?
[02:34] <Knorrie_> juerry: yes, same problem here
[02:35] <HiddenFly> when linux boots, it whines something that /dev/sda6 is unavailable and doesnt mount it, how can i automatically mount that partition on the boot?
[02:35] <juerry> Knorrie, so?
[02:35] <elad`> elad@AM:~$ ident2 <line> error: binding to port 113: bind(): Permission denied
[02:35] <Knorrie_> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.08_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/X11/fonts', which is also in package xfonts-base
[02:35] <juerry> Knorrie, there is nothing to do?
[02:35] <Linux_Galore> HiddenFly: sda is a scsi hardisk ?? or usb device
[02:35] <WebLOCH> HiddenFly,  you need to edit the etc/fstab
[02:35] <HiddenFly> Linux_Galore: its sata drive
[02:35] <Linux_Galore> aaah
[02:35] <Knorrie_> juerry: i don't know, that's why im here just like you :)
[02:36] <juerry> Knorrie, LOL
[02:36] <HiddenFly> WebLOCH: ok, how? its now: /dev/sda6       /iso            ext3    defaults        0       0
[02:36] <HiddenFly> for that partition
[02:36] <WebLOCH> okay thats wrong haha
[02:36] <HiddenFly> :D
[02:36] <Linux_Galore> HiddenFly: sure sda6 is correct.........its not another partition number
[02:36] <juerry> Knorrie, can you find somethinf with google?
[02:36] <Knorrie_> juerry: see topic
[02:36] <HiddenFly> what do i need to fix then
[02:36] <WebLOCH> HiddenFly, ill paste a line for you
[02:36] <kataklysm> boxerboy29: u cant right click in xfce4 and make icons, no it dont work like gnome or kde..
[02:36] <HiddenFly> k thx
[02:36] <indypende> atha, when i disconnect the device and reconnect the dmesg don't give the error but the image is noised!
[02:37] <WebLOCH> HiddenFly, /dev/sda5	/media/windata	ntfs	ro,auto,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000	0	0
[02:37] <WebLOCH> thats what I use
[02:37] <juerry> Knorrie, :p
[02:37] <HiddenFly> Linux_Galore: well, when i do sudo mount /dev/sda6 /iso it works :)
[02:37] <verdeter_> http://verdeter02.skyblog.com
[02:37] <HiddenFly> yea, that partition is ext3
[02:37] <WebLOCH> HiddenFly,  /media/windata becomes the mount point, so make sure you create a directory for the mount point
[02:37] <WebLOCH> oh right
[02:37] <juerry> Knorrie, in fact i disabled updates, now i'm waiting for the stable version
[02:37] <HiddenFly> k
[02:38] <indypende> Linux_Galore, , when i disconnect the device and reconnect the dmesg don't give the error but the image is noised!
[02:38] <Knorrie_> juerry: I like some adventure :)
[02:38] <WebLOCH> well /iso still doesnt sound right
[02:38] <HiddenFly> i made that /iso directory myself
[02:38] <apokryphos> verdeter_: is there a reason for why you're spamming us?
[02:38] <WebLOCH> /dev/sda5       /media/blah               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[02:38] <WebLOCH> try something like that
[02:38] <toxicle> hi is there ncurses way to configure services?
[02:38] <HiddenFly> k
[02:38] <WebLOCH> but make sure you create the "blah" directory in "media"
[02:38] <toxicle> i forgot the command ..
[02:38] <Knorrie_> toxicle: what service?
[02:38] <HiddenFly> yea
[02:39] <toxicle> v*conf
[02:39] <WebLOCH> Hidden, save it
[02:39] <toxicle> Knorrie: all my services
[02:39] <HiddenFly> sure :)
[02:39] <WebLOCH> then "sudo mount -a" to remount all devices
[02:39] <HiddenFly> k
[02:39] <juerry> Knorrie, yeah!
[02:39] <Knorrie_> juerry: yeah what?
[02:39] <vinboy> hi guys
[02:40] <vinboy> why am I unable to install the w32codecs
[02:40] <apokryphos> vinboy: what instructions are you following?
[02:40] <vinboy> i added the repositories
[02:40] <vinboy> update it
[02:40] <WebLOCH> vinboy,  they are gone now
[02:40] <WebLOCH> vinboy,  no longer hosted on the repos
[02:40] <apokryphos> vinboy: which repositories, and what instructions?
[02:40] <vinboy> WebLOCH, is there anywhere i can get it?
[02:40] <pinucset> how can i do for having always the packajes updated? if there is a gimp release i dont want so wait to the next ubuntu for installing it with apt-get... please help...
[02:40] <wesley> HI people, pelase help me with a sound card seetings pelase
[02:40] <Knorrie_> toxicle: most of the configuration is editing textfiles, there are a lot of graphical tools to help you, but (sorry) i never saw curses-like tools
[02:40] <apokryphos> WebLOCH: it is, but on a different one
[02:40] <FaithX> Oh no, X is busted??? I am trying to compile wine against it...
[02:40] <WebLOCH> apokryphos, really ?
[02:40] <apokryphos> yes
[02:41] <vinboy> apokryphos, i followed the one in unofficial ubuntu guide website
[02:41] <Knorrie_> toxicle: but there will be some
[02:41] <WebLOCH> apokryphos, *cough* do you know where?
[02:41] <toxicle> Knorrie: yeah what is it ?
[02:41] <apokryphos> WebLOCH: well, ubuntulinux.nl repo has it; for hoary... you can download the deb
[02:41] <vinboy> lol
[02:41] <aftertaf> FaithX:  X busted? breezy updates? its fiwed not, reupdate
[02:41] <vinboy> ok
[02:41] <vinboy> cool
[02:41] <apokryphos> !w32codecs
[02:41] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of codecs for popular audio/video formats (wmv etc). Install from giannaros.org/public/hoarydebs or breezy: seveas.ubuntulinux.nl. 64bit? See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399
[02:41] <alisher> vinboy: marillat repositories
[02:41] <WebLOCH> hardcore!
[02:41] <WebLOCH> ty apokryphos
[02:41] <toxicle> Knorrie: sorry to tell you this but someone here told me and i used it it's "v**conf"
[02:41] <WebLOCH> apokryphos, you know much about audio?
[02:41] <vinboy> thanks apokryphos
[02:41] <FaithX> I installed build-essential but I still won't compile X apps .. what am I missing?
[02:41] <toxicle> the problem is i forgot :(
[02:41] <apokryphos> vinboy: that site is lame (the ubuntuguide one), I suggest you don't use it :).
[02:41] <aftertaf> x-dev maybe
[02:41] <juerry> Knorrie, yeah, adventure!
[02:42] <WebLOCH> HiddenFly, any luck?
[02:42] <Knorrie_> juerry: LOL
[02:42] <vinboy> apokryphos, really??? i find it very handy for newbie like me :)
[02:42] <juerry> how can i obtain the liblamemp3.so?
[02:42] <vinboy> apokryphos, any good one u recommended?
[02:42] <aftertaf> vinboy:  till it breaks your system for you.....
[02:42] <vinboy> lol.. is it that bad
[02:42] <juerry> i've installed yet the package lame with synaptic
[02:42] <nalioth> vinboy: it will be handy and fine until your box stops functioning
[02:42] <apokryphos> vinboy: it's a bad guide, yes; /msg ubotu ubuntuguide
[02:42] <pinucset> how can i do for having always the packajes updated? if there is a gimp release i dont want so wait to the next ubuntu for installing it with apt-get... please help...
[02:42] <vinboy> is there any other sites??
[02:42] <apokryphos> vinboy: yes, the Wiki and the docs.
[02:43] <vinboy> oh ok
[02:43] <vinboy> yup
[02:43] <toxicle> Knorrie: how to i find a file with "v*conf"
[02:43] <nalioth> vinboy: wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[02:43] <vinboy> i refer to those as well
[02:43] <aftertaf> pinucset:  the answer to your question is in your question.....
[02:43] <vinboy> i'll bookmark it
[02:43] <aftertaf> pinucset:  apt-get ;)
[02:43] <pinucset> but in my apt-get i dont have always the last release! :S
[02:43] <helpme2> have all of u here ordered the ubuntu cds at shipit? or am i the lucky first one:)
[02:43] <HiddenFly> WebLOCH: it mounted it ok now when i did that mount -a command
[02:43] <aftertaf> pinucset:  the latest stable one, you do...
[02:43] <WebLOCH> helpme2, I ordered Hoary aaaaaaaaaaages agp
[02:43] <juerry> when i tryto encode an mp3 file, audacity ask me for this liblamemp3.so in the usr/lib folder
[02:43] <WebLOCH> ago, only got them recently
[02:44] <juerry> how can i do?
[02:44] <nalioth> vinboy: if you are "new to *nix", the ubuntuguide WILL cause you pain
[02:44] <toxicle> sorry let me rephrase this
[02:44] <pinucset> and how can i install someone not stable, for having the last packajes?
[02:44] <WebLOCH> HiddenFly, then it should mount everytime you boot now
[02:44] <helpme2> WebLOCH: :(
[02:44] <toxicle> how do i find a filename v*conf ?
[02:44] <alisher> vinboy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=357314&postcount=5
[02:44] <helpme2> ;)
[02:44] <Knorrie_> toxicle: locate conf | egrep "v.*conf"
[02:44] <HiddenFly> yea thats what i thought
[02:44] <aftertaf> juerry:  liblame0
[02:44] <atha> juerry: not sure about liblamemp3.so but liblame0 includes libmp3lame.so
[02:44] <apokryphos> alisher: no, do not advise that
[02:44] <minimec> hi. I have a mayor problem with my wlan configuration with breezy badger. I don't no what to do. I had a debian sid installation on my laptop with wlan (working) until I installed 'Breezy Badger' yesterday (ubuntu works great with my HP). I use the same /etc/network/interfaces file, but I don't get any connection. The two adapters are in ad-hoc mode, they do 'see' each other, I deactivated WEP. I don't know what to do. The Problem is on t
[02:45] <Knorrie_> toxicle: hm that shows lots of files on my system :)
[02:45] <apokryphos> alisher: you shouldn't recommend people use marillat anymore at all (debian/ubuntu vary oto much now)
[02:45] <juerry> atha & aftertaf, i've installed liblame0 too but i can't find liblamemp3.so
[02:45] <toxicle> Knorrie: yes it does
[02:45] <helpme2> do i need to umpunt partitions before manipulating them?
[02:45] <WebLOCH> minimec, the problem is you are using breezy
[02:45] <WebLOCH> minimec, breezy is buggy, as it is unfinished
[02:45] <juerry> atha & aftertaf, maybe i should reboot?
[02:45] <alisher> apokryphos: ok
[02:45] <aftertaf> never reboot linux ;)
[02:46] <aftertaf> juerry:  i dont know then.....
[02:46] <WebLOCH> man, at least i google for hours before coming here to ask for help
[02:46] <juerry> aftertaf, :(
[02:46] <wesley> HI, people.. i'tryying to intall skype
[02:46] <WebLOCH> I get the feeling some of you are just piling on the questions
[02:46] <wesley> but is almost impossible
[02:46] <vinboy> thanks alisher
[02:46] <WebLOCH> wesley, read the user documentation
[02:46] <wesley> yep
[02:46] <aftertaf> juerry:  audacity recommends ladspa-plugin
[02:46] <aftertaf>    try that.
[02:46] <apokryphos> WebLOCH: yeah, this place shouldn't be a substitute for wiki/google
[02:47] <wesley> but even know.. i can do it
[02:47] <WebLOCH> apokryphos, I think there should be a separate channel for breezy
[02:47] <aftertaf> WebLOCH:  :) agree too
[02:47] <FaithX> I google for hours and then I come in here and ask questions I never google about
[02:47] <WebLOCH> and everyone talking about it here should be autokicked
[02:47] <FaithX> Where is here anywhere?
[02:47] <minimec> WebLOCH: Hmm.. I am not sure. I can use the network with eth0 ethernet. Maybe a problem of iwconfig...
[02:47] <WebLOCH> minimec, either way it relates to a problem with breezy
[02:47] <WebLOCH> or it would be working right now
[02:47] <Knorrie_> toxicle: i'm sorry, perhaps someone else can help you, i never used cnursus based configuration, reading man pages and editing text files is more flexible
[02:47] <vinboy> is the Cerkinfo Debian Repository any good?
[02:47] <aftertaf> FaithX:  >>> #philosopical
[02:47] <vinboy> i found a w32codecs there
[02:48] <wesley> i'm using the gnome
[02:48] <aftertaf> vinboy:  you can get w32 from mplayer website
[02:48] <toxicle> Knorrie: ok then ... which file to edit ?
[02:48] <vinboy> oh really
[02:48] <WebLOCH> Im going to have to start my project soon
[02:48] <vinboy> thx aftertaf
[02:48] <wesley> WebLOCH, so, i'm using the gnome...
[02:48] <WebLOCH> apokryphos, you know much about audio you fiend?
[02:48] <WebLOCH> wesley, the gnome gnoes
[02:49] <minimec> WebLOCH: I'll try a downgrade of the wireless-tools. Let's see what that brings. THX
[02:49] <apokryphos> WebLOCH: quite ignorant there, unfortunately.
[02:49] <juerry> aftertaf, what should i do then
[02:49] <WebLOCH> apokryphos, fair play, someone helped me yesterday and had it cleaned up in minutes
[02:49] <WebLOCH> I just cant remember who
[02:49] <aftertaf> juerry:  apt-get install ladspa-plugin
[02:49] <toxicle> Knorrie: i installed snort and it was working fine
[02:50] <minime-> can procmail make copies for incoming mails to another mailaddress?
[02:50] <toxicle> Knorrie: after reboot .. it does not startup
[02:50] <apokryphos> WebLOCH: there's a debugging sound problems thread -- did you check that?
[02:50] <Knorrie_> is it safe to restart X while having a not fully upgraded x-common?
[02:50] <vinboy> so why did they remove the w32codecs from the normal server?
[02:50] <WebLOCH> apokryphos,  yup
[02:50] <aftertaf> vinboy:  legal reasons
[02:50] <apokryphos> WebLOCH: s/thread/wik entry/
[02:50] <WebLOCH> apokryphos, ive read everything i can find online
[02:50] <vinboy> oh ic
[02:50] <Knorrie_> toxicle: wat does `/etc/init.d/snort start` say?
[02:50] <apokryphos> WebLOCH: sometimes you just need the guru :)
[02:51] <vinboy> aftertaf, so there will be no more w32codecs release in future?
[02:51] <juerry> aftertaf, tx
[02:51] <aftertaf> vinboy:  no idea......
[02:51] <apokryphos> vinboy: it's not legal, but people will pretty much always produce
[02:51] <apokryphos> *produce it
[02:51] <toxicle> Knorrie: there is no file named snort ... that's why it's not starting up
[02:51] <vinboy> yea
[02:51] <vinboy> well i think i better keep a copy then
[02:51] <WebLOCH> apokryphos, tell me about it :(
[02:51] <aftertaf> vinboy:  convert everything to ogg ;)
[02:51] <WebLOCH> I've just found the funniest link of my life
[02:51] <vinboy> :)
[02:52] <aftertaf> WebLOCH:  share ;)
[02:52] <WebLOCH> everyone go to offtopic and read it
[02:52] <WebLOCH> ahh okay.. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=8214536142/
[02:52] <toxicle> Knorrie: thats /etc/rc.d/initd/
[02:52] <HeavyD> does anyone else have problems with updating x-common?
[02:52] <vinboy> did u guys know someone was selling kidney on ebay
[02:52] <toxicle> vinboy: how much ? ehe
[02:52] <WebLOCH> I remember someone selling "nothing"
[02:52] <Toma-> vinboy: for consumption or for filterin?
[02:52] <nalioth> ebay talk in #ubuntu-offtopic, please
[02:53] <WebLOCH> my fault, sorry
[02:53] <Knorrie_> toxicle: erm? /etc/rc.d/init.d?
[02:53] <WebLOCH> that link is pretty funny tho
[02:53] <Knorrie_> toxicle: are you running ubuntu?
[02:53] <toxicle> Knorrie: yes i am hoary
[02:54] <vinboy> it was up to about NZ$1.3 million
[02:54] <vinboy> then ebay took it off.. coz it is against the law to sell human organs
[02:54] <toxicle> Knorrie: there is no /etc/initd
[02:54] <Knorrie_> toxicle: /etc/init.d
[02:54] <vinboy> the guy selling it to make money to support his family in the disaster
[02:54] <vinboy> pretty sad
[02:54] <Knorrie_> if you have no /etc/init.d nothing will start when you boot :D
[02:54] <aftertaf> HeavyD:  checking.....
[02:54] <toxicle> Knorrie: I should slap myself
[02:55] <toxicle> Knorrie: ok i see the file ...
[02:55] <toxicle> thanks
[02:55] <Knorrie_> np
[02:55] <toxicle> i needed that :)
[02:55] <Knorrie_> :P
[02:55] <WebLOCH> I had a little fit this morning
[02:55] <WebLOCH> I installed apache
[02:55] <toxicle> sorry was at "that" dir and wrongly assumed
[02:55] <WebLOCH> and then for some reason thought that it had hosted my entire drive
[02:56] <WebLOCH> because I kept attempting to reach "localhost" in opera, which lead me back to the filesystem
[02:56] <WebLOCH> took about 15 minutes to figure out it had nothing to do with apache
[02:56] <toxicle> how do i restart all services without rebooting ?
[02:57] <toxicle> or more like a service
[02:57] <Knorrie_> toxicle: /etc/init.d/snort restart
[02:57] <toxicle> Knorrie: sweet
[02:57] <toxicle> Knorrie: is this the dir i place startup scripts?
[02:57] <aftertaf> HeavyD:  nope, i just have gnome-screensaver still hanging around...
[02:57] <toxicle> Knorrie: what should i man ?
[02:58] <aftertaf> toxicle:  sort of.....
[02:58] <toxicle> to write startup scripts
[02:58] <aftertaf> !cli
[02:58] <ubotu> methinks cli is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/
[02:58] <Knorrie_> debian/ubuntu place startup scripts in /etc/init.d/ and the dirs /etc/rcX.d have symlinks to it for each runlevel
[02:58] <aftertaf> ^^ toxicle for scripting, then init.d for startup
[02:58] <atha> toxicle: there's a file called skeleton, which you could check out
[02:59] <aftertaf> atha:  really, what does it do? what is it?
[02:59] <atha> example initscript
[02:59] <aftertaf> oki
[02:59] <toxicle> atha: yeah whgat does skeleton do ?
[02:59] <da_bon_bon> shit! i cant login to shipit
[03:00] <da_bon_bon> always sends me launchap validation
[03:00] <da_bon_bon> and when i click on the launchpad link, always, page not found
[03:00] <da_bon_bon> any one else experiencing the same ?
[03:00] <jamey3> god wdm is *ugly*
[03:01] <aftertaf> toxicle:  its an example initscript.
[03:01] <da_bon_bon> whats wdm, jamey3 ?
[03:01] <toxicle> is there a enlightement packages ?
[03:01] <toxicle> aftertaf: ok thanks
[03:01] <enyc> Urrrm
[03:01] <nalioth> toxicle: enlightenment is available
[03:02] <jamey3> da_bon_bon, WINGS display manager, similar to gdm (GNOME display manager)
[03:02] <enyc> whats the ''right way'' to install the ubuntu kernel source tree  with all the patches etc.  just like that used to build the ubuntu linux kernel source ?
[03:02] <toxicle> nalioth: apt-get install *** ?
[03:02] <jamey3> used to manage logging in, i.e. the "welcome" screen... jeez wdm is one ugly bastard, gdm is lovely
[03:02] <da_bon_bon> jamey3: ok
[03:02] <toxicle> nalioth: I wanna use the latest d17
[03:02] <FaithX> is there a meta package for building X apps?
[03:02] <jamey3> da_bon_bon, i just did a server install of ubuntu and then added: x-window-system-core, xfce4, wdm, mozilla-firefox, synaptic
[03:03] <da_bon_bon> jamey3: you like minimal installs, it seems ?
[03:03] <jamey3> :)
[03:03] <jamey3> why shouldn't i, don't you?
[03:04] <toxicle> anyone know the name of the enlightement package ?
[03:04] <knewt> ah. i was going to ask how stable breezy is right now, but then i read the topic :/
[03:05] <elad`> Why can't I send files in GAIM, but can receive them?
[03:05] <alisher> toxicle: "enlightenment"
[03:05] <WebLOCH> elad`, thats the nature of GAIM, MSN and the interconnecting of the networks and protocols,
[03:05] <elad`> I can't even try - I don't even get to the point where the firewall is preventing me from doing so or anything, the option is disabled.
[03:06] <gerarcone> i've installed a lot of plugins, but totem still doesn't work. sometimes it works well, sometimes it stops for an error prior to play a video file, sometimes it play the audio but not the video. i'm using VLC and all is going well
[03:06] <elad`> WebLOCH, but someone else, using GAIM, was able to send me a file.
[03:06] <gerarcone> there is a way to fix the problem or make VLC the default player
[03:06] <WebLOCH> elad`, yeah thats my point, its not stable and its not predictable
[03:06] <WebLOCH> elad`, my ex-housemate i cant send to or receive from, i dont have problems with anyone else, nor does he
[03:07] <elad`> Well, I'd like it to, unstably and unpredictably, let me send files, the way it let that other guy.
[03:07] <WebLOCH> elad`, well why don't you fix it then.
[03:07] <elad`> Maybe I will!
[03:07] <WebLOCH> good
[03:07] <elad`> :P
[03:07] <WebLOCH> problem solved
[03:08] <WebLOCH> ill inform bugzilla they can remove gaim, you are taking care of it
[03:08] <enyc> Please, does anybody know what the 'right' way to install the ubuntu kernel source-tree, with all its patches etc. done ?
[03:08] <MrRagga> hi, i am looking for the network-admin command but it seems to be missing in kubuntu breezy preview, any hints? i asked #kubuntu already, but they couldn't answer
[03:08] <elad`> WebLOCH, give me 90 minutes though, as I want to have lunch first.
[03:08] <WebLOCH> elad`, no problem hearty last meal and all that
[03:08] <Whistler> is breeze`s x broken?
[03:08] <WebLOCH> breeze is broken
[03:08] <Whistler> so i shouldnt update now?
[03:08] <WebLOCH> .
[03:09] <WebLOCH> no
[03:09] <WebLOCH> 20days it goes stable
[03:09] <WebLOCH> wait till then
[03:09] <gerarcone> how can i encode .mpeg starting from a DivX avi?
[03:10] <gerarcone> my target is burning DVD's
[03:10] <Whistler> i am allready in breezy
[03:10] <gerarcone> DVDs, sorry
[03:10] <Whistler> but i ask about update
[03:11] <Knorrie_> Whistler: i just updated, only x-common won't install completely, im now going to restart X to see what happens :>
[03:13] <elad`> WebLOCH, OK, I've solved the problem, you can send files to your ex-housemate now.
[03:13] <x[BrB] x> how can i remove programs like games in abuntu??
[03:14] <jamey3> x[BrB] x, launch the Synaptic Package Manager application
[03:14] <enyc> x[Br: remove the pacakges you dont want through apt-get or 'synaptic'
[03:15] <x[BrB] x> ok
[03:15] <mon> hi. why does "gedit *.java" only open 1 .java file instead of everyone in that dir? is this a bug?
[03:16] <samot> How do I adjust the mouse sensitivity in Ubuntu (KDE)? Been looking everywhere but can only find the mouse acceleration setting
[03:17] <Seveas> mon, works fine here :|
[03:17] <shawarma> mon: You don't put any of those quotes on your command line, do you?
[03:18] <Knorrie_> Whistler: I don't know what's broken exactly, but everything seems to work
[03:18] <Whistler> k
[03:19] <Seveas> What's busted about X bob2 ?
[03:20] <aftertaf> Seveas:  its repaired again.... dist-upgrade wanted to remove 55 X packages this midday ;)
[03:20] <Seveas> ah ok
[03:20] <Seveas> I just dist-upgraded and nothing weird happened :)
[03:20] <Flying_Eagle> samot, fire up "kcontrol"->"peripherials"->"mouse"->"extended"
[03:20] <Echelon-H> what is the command to delete dir?
[03:20] <aftertaf> Whistler:  you can update again, it has been fixed
[03:20] <aftertaf> Echelon-H:  rm -rf
[03:20] <deFrysk> Echelon-H, rm -rf <folder>
[03:20] <aftertaf> use with caution when root ;)
[03:21] <JonnyRo> yea
[03:21] <shawarma> Always use with caution :-)
[03:21] <JonnyRo> it will totally let you do rm -rf /
[03:21] <Whistler> ok thx
[03:21] <JonnyRo> rm -rf ./ and rm -rf / are so close together
[03:21] <samot> Flying_Eagle: I don't have any "Extended" tab, just "Advanced", and I can only set the acceleration there, not the sensitivity
[03:21] <Echelon-H> thanks
[03:21] <twibbler> webLOCH: any joy on sound yet ?...
[03:22] <Flying_Eagle> samot, acceleration == sensibility
[03:22] <mon> shawarma: no i dont :)
[03:22] <mon> Seveas: it has worked here too, but now it doesn't anymore. don't have a clue why...
[03:22] <shawarma> mon: Heh, ok.
[03:22] <Flying_Eagle> and right, i meant "advanced", a problem of not using english kde-version :)
[03:22] <x[BrB] x> theres an error when i launch my synaptic package manager
[03:23] <samot> Flying_Eagle: no, it's not the same, but even if it was, I've already set it to as low as possible and I want lower
[03:23] <aftertaf> x[BrB] x:  do sudo apt-get update first.....
[03:23] <aftertaf> might go away then
[03:23] <Seveas> mon, check whether there actually are more .java files ;)
[03:23] <Flying_Eagle> samot, kdes "acceleration" is at least the same as windows "sensibility"
[03:24] <mon> Seveas: there are :)
[03:24] <mon> Seveas: as i said. it has worked before (maybe warty?) but now it just opens 1 file
[03:25] <x[BrB] x> thanks
[03:25] <Jz3> Hey... I'm trying to update mozilla but when I run update it gives me error which says..
[03:25] <Jz3> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0.7-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/var/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions.d/00classic', which is also in package firefox
[03:25] <Jz3> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox-gnome-support_1.0.7-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/libmozgnome.so', which is also in package firefox-gnome-support
[03:25] <aftertaf> ok all... weekend is here, and a good one to all ;)    and to those in rita's path, hang in there and good luck.......
[03:25] <Seveas> Jz3, do NOT paste in here... file a bug instead :)
[03:25] <nalioth> Jz3: in the future please use a pastebin
[03:26] <Jz3> ok
[03:26] <mon> Seveas: gedit file1 && gedit file2 does work however
[03:26] <nalioth> Jz3: or #flood
[03:26] <jroes> heyas
[03:26] <Jz3> That isn't very long text so...
[03:26] <aftertaf> Jz3:  rules is rul3z!
[03:26] <Jz3> yes yes... I will use pastebin next time
[03:26] <jroes> anyone know what I could do to troubleshoot a box that is having trouble starting grub?  I ran an ubuntu install, and everything went fine, but then when I rebooted the box it locked up loading grub.  I was thinking there might be something cool on the liveCD I could try to run some tests, but I'm not sure what to use
[03:27] <Jz3> But you have any idea why it gives error?
[03:27] <nalioth> jroes: what hardware?
[03:27] <jroes> extremely old box - has 128mb ram, celeron 366...
[03:27] <nalioth> Jz3: bad scripting on the packagers part
[03:27] <jroes> 4.3gb fujitsu ide hd
[03:28] <nalioth> jroes: what exactly does it do?
[03:28] <Jz3> nalioth: Am I able tofix it somehow?
[03:28] <x[BrB] x> nalioth whre can i get summary of commands for ubundu?
[03:28] <nalioth> x[BrB] x: i dont understand. what kind of commands?
[03:28] <spola> has anyone ever heard of a program that allows for encrypted phonecalls (well with pc's not phones)?
[03:28] <jroes> after the install, I took the CD out and rebooted, and when it starts it says "Loading GRUB Stage 1" something like that
[03:28] <jroes> and then it freezes
[03:28] <bwlang> jroes: i recommend trying lilo instead... it's just not worht the effort to make grub work
[03:29] <jroes> re-run the config and try using lilo?  ok
[03:29] <nalioth> jroes: yes, lilo is easier.
[03:29] <x[BrB] x> nalioth commands that we are entering at the terminal
[03:29] <twibbler> Is there anybody here yet who can help resolve a sound card problem... which has been bugging me for days and which involves the sound device being there but not being found by alsa ..
[03:29] <jroes> it's just weird... I used all the defaults
[03:29] <jroes> and I've never had a problem with it before
[03:29] <jroes> but, this -is- completely different hardware
[03:29] <jroes> thanks guys
[03:29] <nalioth> jroes: you shouldnt have to run thru the whole install, just 'esc' out of the current question (after you choose language/kb)
[03:29] <jroes> I'll try ti out
[03:29] <nalioth> jroes: and go to the 'install bootloader'
[03:30] <martii> anyone know why after upgrade to bereezy I lose my keyboard setup ?
[03:30] <kairu0> twibbler, what is your sound chipset?
[03:30] <jroes> nalioth: oh, ok... after it installs lilo just reboot without going through the rest of the steps?
[03:30] <twibbler> kairu0: it is a sis5513 i believe ... running a realtek on board ac97 sound card ....
[03:30] <x[BrB] x> i admire you guys its seems you know everything :)
[03:31] <Toma-> everything except howto party :O
[03:31] <x[BrB] x> i hope i can be a support some other time
[03:31] <nalioth> jroes: your system is already installed
[03:32] <kairu0> twibbler, i have a ac97 chipset and it required an upgrade to alsa 1.09. are you on hoary or breezy?
[03:32] <nalioth> x[BrB] x: look in /usr/bin, /bin, /usr/local/bin, /usr/sbin
[03:32] <twibbler> kairu0: im on hoary but intend to go to breezy when it is out ...
[03:33] <twibbler> kairu0: also tried to recompile alsa etc with no luck ...
[03:33] <JustSteve> hey i'm getting an odd error after installing breezy via cd, "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.08_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/X11/fonts', which is also in package xfonts-base"  could this have something to do with me installing the latest daily build rather than the pre-release?
[03:33] <Knorrie_> JustSteve: see topic
[03:34] <JustSteve> doh, sorry
[03:35] <JustSteve> so i suppose that is a "crazy thing Synaptic is trying to do and i can prolly just delete that .deb then
[03:35] <Knorrie_> JustSteve: I'm working on my system with not-fully-upgraded x-common but i have no probs
[03:35] <kairu0> twibbler, what do you mean no luck?
[03:36] <JustSteve> yeah i don't have issues either Knorrie_
[03:36] <Knorrie_> JustSteve: seems it's fixed now :P
[03:36] <twibbler> kairu0: it wont recompile ..... keeps getting loads of errors .....
[03:36] <JustSteve> i guess so
[03:36] <Knorrie_> i'm waiting for my mirror to update with the x-common package
[03:36] <hou5ton> Seveas:  hey ... i put breezy on my lappy
[03:36] <Nikopol> Knorrie, I read a workaround for that
[03:37] <hou5ton> Seveas:  remember ... we talked about it yesterday a little bit
[03:37] <kairu0> twibbler, i dont think theres another way around it, so tell me what your errors are
[03:38] <Belutz> what mysql version and php version does breezy have?
[03:38] <jamey3> on the cupsysd web interface, i can't authorize myself i.e. it doesn't accept my username/password. how can i get it to work?
[03:38] <Knorrie_> Nikopol: where? wat?
[03:38] <x[BrB] x> how can i check how much space do i still have on my hdd?
[03:38] <jamey3> df
[03:38] <Nikopol> sorry x-common Knorrie
[03:38] <nalioth> !info mysql breezy
[03:38] <Nikopol> Knorrie_, you got it sorted?
[03:38] <jamey3> x[BrB] x, start a terminal window and type "df -h"
[03:39] <nalioth> Belutz: what are the package names?
[03:39] <twibbler> kairu0: I have downloaded the new alsa source from the realtek site .... installed the linux source ..... run ./config with the correct directory but fails to fin version.h ... so find a copy of version.h copy into required directory then ./config seems to work ... then make fails with so many divide by zero .. files not found erros difficult to follow ...
[03:39] <jamey3> on the cupsysd web interface, i can't authorize myself i.e. it doesn't accept my username/password. how can i get it to work?
[03:39] <Belutz> nalioth: for mysql, the mysql-server, for php i expected php5 to be available in breezy
[03:39] <Nikopol> Knorrie_, apt-get remove x-window-system-core xfonts-base xfonts-scalable xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi
[03:39] <Nikopol> apt-get upgrade
[03:39] <Nikopol> apt-get install x-window-system-core xfonts-base xfonts-scalable xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi
[03:39] <nalioth> x[BrB] x: install 'discus' for a neat display of disk space
[03:40] <nalioth> !info mysql-server breezy
[03:40] <Nikopol> Knorrie_, does the trick it seems
[03:40] <ubotu> mysql-server: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.0.24-10ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 3471 kB, Installed size: 8796 kB
[03:40] <twibbler> jamey3: the cupsys web interface is disabled under ubuntu by default ...
[03:40] <nalioth> Belutz: your turn
[03:40] <jamey3> twibbler, well I'm running XFCE.. so how can I add my printer?
[03:40] <twibbler> jamey3: system -> admin -> printing ...
[03:40] <pitti> jamey3: /usr/share/doc/cupsys/README.Debian.gz, under "Important security notes"
[03:41] <Knorrie_> Nikopol: ok, cool, but sounds rather heavy
[03:41] <jamey3> twibbler, i don't have a system menu, this is xfce
[03:41] <Belutz> !info php5 breezy
[03:41] <ubotu> php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.0.5-1ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB
[03:41] <jamey3> pitti, thanks i'll check it out
[03:41] <[Wiebel] > hmmz
[03:41] <Nikopol> Knorrie_, true - it works fine but you might as well wait for the update to percolate through
[03:41] <Renski> !info MadWifi breezy
[03:41] <[Wiebel] > seems that my synaptics driver borkes in breezy
[03:41] <[Wiebel] > After starting X it stops
[03:41] <kairu0> twibbler, in order to install that, you'll need gcc, linux-headers, libasound-dev (as many as I remember). check if you have these 3
[03:41] <[Wiebel] > DeviceOff caled
[03:41] <[Wiebel] > called
[03:41] <Belutz> great!! thanks nalioth, but i expected breezy will provide mysql 4.1.x
[03:41] <Renski> !info madwifi breezy
[03:41] <Knorrie_> Nikopol: yeah, I'll do that, because I don't have problems now
[03:42] <Flying_Eagle> samot, "find ~/.kde -type f -name "*rc" -exec egrep -i accel '{}' \; -exec echo '{}' \;" will give you the file where you can edit the sensitivity manually
[03:42] <Knorrie_> Nikopol: tnx
[03:42] <pitti> jamey3: but using gnome-cups-manager is really prefered
[03:42] <Nikopol> Knorrie_, np :)
[03:42] <nalioth> twibbler: install "build-essential" to get compiling basics. you'll still need linux-headers, and libasound-dev and maybe more
[03:42] <[Wiebel] > anyone running breezy ran into the same issue?
[03:42] <Nikopol> Knorrie_, actually they seem to have hit the servers as I speak :)
[03:42] <planadecU> hi
[03:43] <planadecU> i just installed ubuntu lite and i try to login as root but i don't know the password, anyone does ?
[03:43] <jamey3> pitti, thanks that's exactly what I needed to know :)
[03:43] <jamey3> planadecU, by default the root account is disabled
[03:43] <planadecU> how do i set it up ?
[03:44] <planadecU> i try "sudo passwd root"
[03:44] <planadecU> but nothing
[03:44] <jamey3> read this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[03:44] <planadecU> i know how to do it with ubuntu not with the lite version
[03:44] <twibbler> kairu0: nalioth: just installing now .....
[03:46] <planadecU> jamey3 its says nothing about ubuntu LITE
[03:46] <samot> Flying_Eagle: thanks! I'll have a look
[03:46] <JustSteve> Nikopol, i'm still getting the same error about overwriting
[03:46] <Nikopol> JustSteve, which is?
[03:46] <Knorrie_> Nikopol: which mirror are you on? :)
[03:47] <Nikopol> the UK ones I think
[03:47] <Nikopol> just checking
[03:47] <jamey3> planadecU, what happens when you run "sudo passwd root"?
[03:47] <Nikopol> gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[03:47] <x[BrB] x> my synaptic package mnager has still an error :(
[03:48] <Nikopol> what is the error?
[03:48] <mypapit> thought you just run "sudo passwd"
[03:48] <JustSteve> just a sec
[03:48] <Nikopol> np :d
[03:48] <x[BrB] x> - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:48] <Knorrie_> Nikopol: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.08_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/X11/fonts', which is also in package xfonts-base
[03:48] <JustSteve> Nikopol "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.08_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/X11/fonts', which is also in package xfonts-base"
[03:49] <Nikopol> yeah - maybe I sidestepped the problem with the uninstall reinstall thing
[03:49] <deFrysk>  dpkg --force-overwrite -i file.deb
[03:49] <deFrysk> try that , force the .deb
[03:49] <hou5ton> I have just installed Breezy on my laptop ... and a few months ago when doing Hoary, followed the adding repositories guidelines on the Unofficial Ubuntu site.  Is there something like that for Breezy?
[03:49] <x[BrB] x> W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Preview i386
[03:49] <hourglass> hi ...to everyone..jus got started on ubuntu....
[03:50] <Knorrie_> hourglass: welcome :)
[03:50] <Knorrie_> deFrysk: I'll try
[03:50] <x[BrB] x> welcome :)
[03:50] <Nikopol> apt-get remove x-window-system-core xfonts-base xfonts-scalable xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi
[03:50] <Nikopol> apt-get upgrade
[03:50] <Nikopol> apt-get install x-window-system-core xfonts-base xfonts-scalable xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi
[03:50] <hourglass> hope ill learn from you
[03:50] <Nikopol> That was what I did and it sorted the problem out and it's all updating fine nwo
[03:51] <twibbler> kairu0: ok have everything inc alsa source ... from repositories .... do I need to get the alsa source from elswhere to compile ?.
[03:51] <hourglass> can i connect to the internet by using an internal modem?
[03:51] <Nikopol> the apt-getupgrade lets you install x-common then you can reinstall what you uninstalled in the first command
[03:52] <Toma-> twibbler: why u compiling alsa?
[03:52] <Nikopol> JustSteve, you tried that trick?
[03:52] <JustSteve> Nikopol, thanks trying that now as well
[03:52] <twibbler> Toma: sound card not found .... why know of a quicker solution ? ....
[03:52] <Toma-> what sound card?
[03:52] <batoms> i still can't get my win key to work
[03:53] <JustSteve> yay no more funky update icon
[03:53] <deFrysk> twibbler, got a build in soundcard perhaps and use anotherone ?
[03:53] <JustSteve> Nikopol, thanks a lot :-)
[03:53] <Nikopol> JustSteve, cool
[03:53] <Nikopol> np
[03:53] <twibbler> deFrysk: yep got a built in sound card ..... not got another one to use ...
[03:53] <x[BrB] x> my synaptic package mnager has still an error :(
[03:53] <Nikopol> JustSteve, it worked then?
[03:54] <Toma-> also, compiling alsa wont solve anything. itll piss u off plenty, but wont install your card
[03:54] <batoms> using the the default settings my win keys maps to 0x73 in the keyboard shortcuts
[03:54] <deFrysk> twibbler, oke
[03:54] <Toma-> twibbler: do u know what chipset it uses?
[03:54] <x[BrB] x> i've alrady updated
[03:54] <twibbler> Toma: sis5513 ac97 ....
[03:54] <Toma-> ive got one of them
[03:54] <nalioth> x[BrB] x: if you are using breezy, problems will happen often until it finals
[03:54] <JustSteve> Nikopol seems to, no angry red icon from the update manager
[03:54] <deFrysk> twibbler, asrock mobo ?
[03:55] <Nikopol> JustSteve, sound good ;)
[03:55] <twibbler> deFrysk: ? sorry dont undertsand ...
[03:55] <JustSteve>  and apt-get is running fine as well
[03:55] <Nikopol> x[BrB] x, your sourced update with no trouble?
[03:55] <x[BrB] x> nalioth ok.. so how can i remove some program??
[03:55] <Toma-> twibbler: is it turnd on in the bios?
[03:55] <deFrysk> the motherboard, is it an asrock ?
[03:55] <Knorrie_> Nikopol: I did your workaround too
[03:55] <Knorrie_> Nikopol: seems to work fine
[03:55] <twibbler> Toma: yes ......
[03:55] <nalioth> x[BrB] x: using synaptic/kynaptic
[03:55] <Nikopol> Knorrie_, not mine tho - was posted on ubuntuforums
[03:55] <twibbler> Toma: or at least I think so according to my knowledge of bios ...
[03:55] <Nikopol> but glad to see it works for you too :)
[03:56] <Knorrie_> yeah
[03:56] <Toma-> twibbler: what ubuntu u using?
[03:56] <Knorrie_> so back to work :)
[03:56] <Knorrie_> coffee!!
[03:56] <twibbler> Toma: Hoary ......
[03:56] <wesley> i cant install my skye
[03:56] <deFrysk> Knorrie, what is it , coffee or work ?
[03:56] <twibbler> will be going to breezy 13th oct ...
[03:56] <Knorrie_> deFrysk: both at the same time
[03:56] <deFrysk> twibbler, some souncards do not work on hoary but work fine on breezy
[03:57] <Knorrie_> deFrysk: no I'm not a workaholic ;)
[03:57] <deFrysk> Knorrie, lucky you ;)
[03:57] <x[BrB] x> i cant use synaptic.. theres an error
[03:57] <twibbler> deFrysk: tried breezy live cd and still nothing ....
[03:57] <x[BrB] x> nalioth W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Preview i386 (20050908) breezy/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%205.10%20%5fBreezy%20Badger%5f%20-%20Preview%20i386%20(20050908)_dists_breezy_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[03:57] <deFrysk> twibbler, If its a sec hand pc I would have a lookat the bios and check if the onboard sound is enabled
[03:58] <Antioch> Whats the big difference between Hoary and Breezy that makes things not work, or need different install methods??
[03:58] <twibbler> defrysk: Nope not second hand .... switched from win xp and sound was fine ...
[03:58] <deFrysk> twibbler, I would even check that if it is a new one
[03:58] <nalioth> x[BrB] x: do you know how to edit your sources.list?
[03:58] <WebLOCH> thats the first good breezy question ive heard all day
[03:58] <WebLOCH> and night
[03:58] <x[BrB] x> nalioth nope :(
[03:58] <sjj> What's the official ubuntu backports URL? backports.ubuntuforums.org appears to be down for me.
[03:58] <Toma-> twibbler: try modprobe snd_intel8x0 && modprobe snd_ac97_codec
[03:59] <Antioch> Haha, I suppose it is
[03:59] <twibbler> Toma: done first one no result will try second one now ....
[03:59] <WebLOCH> it wont help
[03:59] <Nikopol> x[BrB] x, that's the CD it's looking for I think
[03:59] <WebLOCH> the audio device isnt there
[04:00] <nalioth> x[BrB] x: open a terminal and type "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" and put a # in front of your top line starting with deb cdrom
[04:00] <WebLOCH> twibbler, try this from command line "aplay -l" and paste output here
[04:00] <twibbler> Toma: no results back from either ...
[04:00] <x[BrB] x> nikopol my cd is inserted on my cdrom
[04:00] <sjj> And if it is down, can anyone tell me the correct sources.list for backports?
[04:00] <Nikopol> well you can get all the files from the internet x[BrB] x
[04:00] <deFrysk> twibbler, no results back means the modules are added
[04:00] <nalioth> x[BrB] x: you are not using the network to install?
[04:00] <twibbler> WebLOCH no soundcards found ...
[04:01] <Nikopol> x[BrB] x, you on dial-up
[04:01] <x[BrB] x> nalioth nope
[04:01] <larsrohdin> Hi, is there anything you can do to make filetransfers with GAIM go faster? Using the msn protocol...
[04:01] <deFrysk> is alsaconf in ubuntu ?
[04:01] <WebLOCH> larsrohdin, compress and recompress files
[04:01] <nalioth> x[BrB] x: then you'll need a newer breezy image then
[04:01] <twibbler> deFrysk: this is the problem... I have been through all settings files configurations etc all semm good, cannot find a reason the sound card is not found ....
[04:01] <Toma-> alsaconf conflists with glib or some crap. or so they say
[04:01] <larsrohdin> WebLOCH, ok... but thats not really what I meant
[04:01] <larsrohdin> Nothing else?
[04:02] <Nikopol> x[BrB] x, nalioth , or use the internet to install the updates - how fast is your connection x[BrB] x ?
[04:02] <batoms> do the win keys work for anyone else or is it just me
[04:02] <Toma-> twibbler: turn it off in the bios, reboot into ubuntu. then reboot again and enable the sound card then go into ubuntu? might work...
[04:02] <larsrohdin> batoms, works fine for me
[04:02] <x[BrB] x> theres no error enymore nalioth
[04:02] <Nikopol> batoms, you can set them to work in System preference
[04:02] <atha> twibbler: which udev version do you have?
[04:03] <patata_fregida> my keyboard doesnt work in console mode, some keys are swaped, how do i change it to spanish (es) keyboard ?
[04:03] <Knorrie_> gphpedit is acting really weird, when i type text it garbles everything around
[04:03] <salkin> Anyone here use network-manager to manage wireless connections?
[04:03] <deFrysk> twibbler, check the bios plug and play os should be disabled onboard sound should be enabled
[04:03] <spirit_gdl> greetings everyone
[04:03] <atha> or does it handle audio devices at all
[04:03] <twibbler> deFrysk: bios plug and play enabled sound enabled ....
[04:03] <twibbler> atha: how do I check which version ...
[04:03] <deFrysk> twibbler, disable plug and play os
[04:04] <Knorrie_> perhaps it's something with that x-common fonts stuff, let's restart X :
[04:04] <atha> twibbler: dpkg -l udev|grep ^ii
[04:04] <batoms> Nikopol: that doesn't work for me
[04:04] <twibbler> deFrysk: ok .... going to disable plug and play and sound ... rebooot .. then enable sound ...
[04:04] <atha> wrong version caused at least some other device problems lately
[04:04] <Nikopol> batoms, ah :(
[04:04] <salkin> more specifically, any idea where network-manager stores the wep key? I think I've given it the wrong value and it doesn't connect, but there's no obvious way to try another value.
[04:04] <twibbler> atha: 0.050-3ubuntu7
[04:05] <deFrysk> sound should be enabled!!
[04:05] <batoms> Nikopol: i get the dreaded xklavier dialog if i change it from default
[04:05] <Nikopol> batoms, aie!
[04:05] <deFrysk> p&p should be disabled
[04:05] <twibbler> deFrysk: I know ... but just following a suggestion from Toma at same time ...
[04:05] <deFrysk> twibbler, oki :)
[04:05] <hutgyyr> i dont seem to have smbmount intstalled on my machine and when I use apt-get to get it, it cant find it. Where can I get it
[04:05] <Toma-> and yes. get rid of plugnplay
[04:05] <Nikopol> batoms, sorry not sure how to work that one :(
[04:06] <Toma-> was windows 95 feature that sucked butt.
[04:06] <twibbler> Thank you will be back in a short while I hope .....
[04:06] <autrata> hutgyyr: Do you have the samba package installed?
[04:06] <patata_fregida> my keyboard doesnt work in console mode, some keys are swaped, how do i change it to spanish (es) keyboard ?
[04:06] <hutgyyr> autrata- yes
[04:06] <salkin> hutgyyr: try smbfs
[04:06] <spirit_gdl> i have a little problem here, updating ubuntu to firefox 1.0.7(german), i managed to update to 1.0.6 with apt install... like some german website said, but how do i get 1.0.7 ?
[04:07] <hutgyyr> i have the samba server runnning aswell
[04:07] <hutgyyr> can I use smbfs to mount a Windows share
[04:08] <Knorrie_> hutgyyr: mount -t smbfs -o ...etc... man smbmount
[04:08] <Knorrie_> hutgyyr: package smbfs contains smbmount, which is used by mount -t smbfs
[04:08] <Hoxzer> Does quicktime have some strange audio codecs?
[04:08] <Hoxzer> cause I can't hear any sounds
[04:09] <hutgyyr> so if im mounting a Windows share thats ntfs i do not specify this in the mount command
[04:09] <ranyzvra1y>  /quit
[04:09] <ranyzvra1y> clear
[04:09] <Knorrie_> hutgyyr: no, not if you're mounting across a network
[04:10] <enyc> hurg: err... no.. you are using 'smbfs' filesystem to access it ;p
[04:10] <enyc> well... thats just at network level.. etc...
[04:10] <enyc> the filesystem driver ebing used by the remote system isn't relevant
[04:11] <hou5ton> On Ubuntuguide.org it explains how to add additional repositories ... if I have Breezy installed ... can I just change "Hoary" to "Breezy" wherever it appears?
[04:11] <Sp4rKy_> hi
[04:11] <deFrysk> hou5ton, stop using ubuntuguide
[04:11] <hutgyyr> ok, now this is the command im specifying. mount -t smbfs //192.168.0.230/temp storage /mnt/oldserverwork -o username=******,password=****** Its not working though, it justs throws up the different options for the mount command
[04:12] <Sp4rKy_> anyone know where i can find viavoice for linux ?
[04:12] <deFrysk> hou5ton, use the wiki!
[04:12] <Knorrie_> hutgyyr: what's 'storage'?
[04:13] <hutgyyr> thats the name of the folder 'temp storage'
[04:13] <Elko> heh
[04:13] <Knorrie_> hutgyyr: ah, try: temp\ storage
[04:13] <autrata> hutgyr: Throwin in a \ before the blank ;-)
[04:13] <Knorrie_> because of the space mount thinks storage is another argument on the command line
[04:14] <Sp4rKy_> please
[04:14] <hutgyyr> nice one, thanks guys
[04:14] <Sp4rKy_> anyone have viavoice and xvoice
[04:15] <birikki> ciao
[04:15] <hutgyyr> what would be the command to see how many gigs are in each folder in that share
[04:16] <Knorrie_> hutgyyr: du -s *
[04:16] <robbkidd> Hallo, 'Buntuers.
[04:16] <birikki> hi
[04:16] <Knorrie_> robbkidd: goedendag
[04:17] <birikki> anyone fro italy?
[04:17] <birikki> from
[04:17] <deFrysk> !it
[04:17] <ubotu> deFrysk: What?
[04:17] <deFrysk> nope
[04:18] <robbkidd> Knorrie: Gesungheit.
[04:18] <sproingie> anyone remember which package i use with dpkg-reconfigure to turn on the decent font hinting?
[04:18] <robbkidd> s/Gesungheit/Gesundheit/
[04:18] <alisher> sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
[04:18] <nalioth> deFrysk: is there an italian language room?
[04:18] <deFrysk> nalioth, I believe not
[04:18] <deFrysk> nalioth, no it to be found
[04:19] <sproingie> alisher: thanks.  hm, everything was at  defaults, tahoma still looks like ass
[04:19] <nalioth> deFrysk: there is
[04:19] <Knorrie_> anyone experiencing the same problems with gphpedit on breezah? (it keeps throwing everything around when i type)
[04:19] <othernoob> nalioth: deFrysk #ubuntu-it
[04:19] <deFrysk> ubotu, does not seem to know
[04:19] <ubotu> deFrysk: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:19] <robbkidd> I've been using Debian for a while now and have wished for a way to quickly determine the changes of a package.  Is there a quick way to access changelogs for package updates, particularly before the package is applied?
[04:19] <twibbler> Toma: deFrysk: well made it back but still got no sound ... checked as carefully as poss on boot up and get bleeps when loading amixer ... also setting sensor limits failed ....
[04:20] <sproingie> robbkidd: apt-get install apt-listchanges.  in aptitude, you can hit C to see the changelog
[04:20] <Knorrie_> robbkidd: read the changelogs on http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[04:20] <hou5ton> Now that I have Breezy installed ... will it just seamlessly update into the final release as time goes on?
[04:20] <robbkidd> sproingie: Ooo. Shiny.
[04:20] <robbkidd> Knorrie: Not exactly quick, though.
[04:21] <deFrysk> nalioth, how does one do that ? and I dont speak italian to make a proper entry
[04:21] <Jhair> robbkidd: synaptic has an option to download the changelog...
[04:21] <sproingie> robbkidd: actually i seem to be able to use the C command without even having apt-listchanges
[04:22] <Jhair> sproingie: with apt-listchanges can I check the logfile for a package that hasn't been installed yet? AFAIK no...
[04:22] <deFrysk> afk
[04:22] <sproingie> Jhair: then aptitude's tool is superior, because it can show the changelog of a not-installed package
[04:22] <mad_pheonix> what is the glib package in ubuntu?  I'm trying to use anjuta and it complains about not having glib.  Is it not recognizing it because it's named libglib in ubuntu?
[04:23] <Octane_> is there a way to load an application to desktop0 in kde from the shell?
[04:23] <othernoob> nalioth: are you familiar with dvd burning problems?
[04:23] <Jhair> sproingie: yes, that was I was thinking, synaptic does have that feature too, I don't use apt-listchanges because it lacks of that feature
[04:23] <sproingie> btw, is there documentation how "volatile" kernel modules work?  the fglrx module just sort of magically appears there when i need it, and i have no idea how
[04:24] <hutgyyr> frickin hell, dont tell me you can see status of file copying if moving a folder over the network from the command line
[04:24] <maint> How do I change the different available screen resolutions? (I only selected 640x480 during the ubuntu setup, but now I would like to have more available) ?
[04:25] <hutgyyr> no???
[04:26] <alisher> maint: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:26] <alisher> maint: or   sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:27] <robbkidd> Jhair/sproingie: Bueno.  Exactly what I was looking for.  I've been wanting that for a long time, but never bothered *looking* for it.
[04:27] <robbkidd> So, maybe I should say that I've been "wanting" that for a long time, since I wasn't looking for it.
[04:27] <Fred|Fred> hey... how can i completely remove all mail servers (cyrus, postfix, sendmail) and their config files? i've gone wrong a few times and need to get fresh configs ;)
[04:28] <Fred|Fred> what's the apt-get or dpkg command to remove a package and it's config files?
[04:28] <pinucset> aptitude does it
[04:29] <robbkidd> Fred: sudo apt-get remove --purge [packages ...] 
[04:29] <Fred|Fred> thanks :)
[04:30] <mad_pheonix> does anybody know how to install glib for the anjuta c/c++ ide?
[04:31] <g0rd0n> hello!
[04:31] <maint> first command just gives the result "xserver-xorg is not installed", and the second one just opens and empty conf file :(
[04:31] <sproingie> mad_pheonix: my guess is you need glib-devel
[04:31] <g0rd0n> i just installed breezy, and am wondering where the "root terminal" icon has gone from the menu... how can i restore it?
[04:31] <g0rd0n> i hate doing sudo :P
[04:31] <mad_pheonix> sproingie: would that be libglib-devel?  i didn't see any packages just named glib
[04:32] <Fred|Fred> is this a big problem?: exim: failed to find uid for user name "Debian-exim"
[04:32] <Fred|Fred> Can't send mail: sendmail process failed
[04:32] <sproingie> mad_pheonix: whatever.  btw, it's spelled phoenix
[04:32] <alisher> g0rd0n: use smeg to add whatever icons
[04:33] <g0rd0n> nice :) thanks alexandros
[04:33] <g0rd0n> ups alisher
[04:33] <alisher> bin ja alexander
[04:35] <Fred|Fr3d> is this a big problem?: exim: failed to find uid for user name "Debian-exim" and Can't send mail: sendmail process failed
[04:35] <robbkidd> re: .deb changelogs - Synaptic is downloading the latest available changelog, ja?
[04:37] <Axioplase> Hi
[04:37] <robbkidd> Gah. I can't communicate well today. Reworded: Is Synaptic downloading the changelog from the latest available (i.e. highest version number) package?
[04:37] <Knorrie_> Fred|Fr3d: :) you just removed your mailserver and all of it's configuration, and are wondering you can't send mail now? :P
[04:37] <Axioplase> Just wondering... I need Ubuntu-ja, but I have no CD to burn it. Can I install ubuntu (which CD I have) and upgrade it to ubuntu-ja ?
[04:38] <Fred|Fr3d> not really... i have tried sendmail and postfix, and i wasnt able to send or receive mail... now i'm trying exim.
[04:38] <robbkidd> Fred: It is a problem for certain values of big.
[04:38] <maint> sooo, anyone know what I should do? those two commands didnt work :(
[04:38] <ezdellis> What's the procedure here?  I don't want to barge in on you all.
[04:38] <Fred|Fr3d> i just want an smtp and pop3 server that's relatively easy to configure...
[04:39] <g0rd0n> i have a problem with my TV card: it's a Hauppauge WinTV FM (BT 878 chip). I installed tvtime, the channels got tuned and the image is fine, but i get no audio. The sound card line-in is on in the mixer, it's the tv card that outputs no audio. It works in windows xp though. How can i fix this?
[04:39] <hutgyyr> is there a cmd i can issue which will constantly show me the file size updating of a directory im copying over the network
[04:39] <robbkidd> Fred: I'm quite fond of exim, but I weened onto Debian and acquired the taste.  You might try confirming that exim is installed correctly (sudo apt-get install --reinstall exim4) and rerunning the configuration (sudo dpkg-reconfigure exim4)
[04:39] <Knorrie_> hutgyyr: `watch  ls -l`
[04:39] <anethema> damn, firefox just got upgraded..that was so fast
[04:39] <Fred|Fr3d> robbkidd: i only just installed it 2 mins ago :\
[04:39] <anethema> firefox used to be way behind
[04:39] <g0rd0n> here the relevant devices:
[04:39] <g0rd0n> 0000:01:08.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11)
[04:39] <g0rd0n> 0000:01:08.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11)
[04:40] <ezdellis> Speaking of firefox
[04:40] <Fred|Fr3d> it was during the install i got that error
[04:40] <ezdellis> the upgrade broke my install
[04:40] <ezdellis> Can I save my bookmarks?
[04:40] <robbkidd> Fred: At this point, it couldn't hurt to refresh it.
[04:41] <Xappe> g0rd0n: hmm, strange. my card just works
[04:41] <Fred|Fr3d> robbkidd: i've reinstalled and reconfigured...
[04:41] <Xappe> WinTV pci
[04:41] <robbkidd> exdellis: cp ./mozilla/firefox/<profiledir>/bookmark.html <path-to-backup>
[04:41] <Fred|Fr3d> i should be able to telnet to localhost on 110 right?
[04:41] <g0rd0n> Xappe: same chip?
[04:42] <Xappe> g0rd0n: yes
[04:42] <robbkidd> Fred: Ah. No. Exim only provides SMTP (port 25).
[04:42] <Fred|Fr3d> robbkidd oh. well when i telnet to that i see "Sendmail" in the lines i get
[04:42] <Hoxzer> when I setup mplayer to full screen the actual video size doesn't increase how could I fix this problem?
[04:42] <g0rd0n> Xappe: does the audio come through the audio card line-in in your case?
[04:42] <ezdellis> I got a syntax error
[04:43] <ezdellis> I'm kinda afraid of the cmdline
[04:43] <Fred|Fr3d> robbkidd: what pop3 server would you recommend?
[04:43] <ezdellis> hold on
[04:43] <Xappe> g0rd0n: yes it does...have you checked so the volumes are ok in the mixer/tvtime?
[04:43] <robbkidd> Fred: I've been using the courier suite of mail servers, though my install is obscenely simple.
[04:43] <g0rd0n> Xappe: tvtime is at 100%, the mixer is ok (if i attach my mp3 player to the line in i hear the sound)
[04:43] <robbkidd> Fred: Lemme check if Ubuntu has any recommendation (and therefore some docs).
[04:44] <Fred|Fr3d> robbkidd: well i dont really care what i use as long as i can send and receive mail... thanks tho :)
[04:44] <ezdellis> There doesn't appear to be a profile directory in my ./mozilla/firefox
[04:44] <Xappe> g0rd0n: strange
[04:45] <ezdellis> I assume you mean the one in my home folder
[04:45] <robbkidd> Fred: There's a recommendation in the forums for running Hula, which seems to be an exciting web mail and calendar project.
[04:45] <Knorrie_> Fred|Fr3d: can you read dutch?
[04:45] <Fred|Fr3d> no :(
[04:45] <robbkidd> Fred: (Also supports POP)
[04:45] <twibbler> ok Im still going round the bend with this sound card,,, No sound ...  recompiled alsa ..... set modprobe ..... still get No such file or directory on amixer setup .. anybody any ideas ....
[04:45] <Fred|Fr3d> robbkidd: well i have a webmail setup (horde/imp), but no server to connect to
[04:45] <robbkidd> ezdellis: Make sure you've got the dot correct: ~/.mozilla/firefox
[04:46] <Knorrie_> Fred|Fr3d: bummer, I didn't translate my own postfix docs yet :0
[04:46] <Shadowpillar> were ubuntu's security update servers compromised?
[04:46] <twibbler> could it be a pci conflict .... ?...
[04:46] <deFrysk> twibbler, buy a cheap soundcard is my advice
[04:46] <alisher> maint: is xserver-xorg really not installed w you?
[04:46] <pitti> Shadowpillar: no, why?
[04:46] <robbkidd> Fred: Give courier-pop a whirl.  I thought it was fairly simple to set up for localhost process intercommunication.
[04:46] <g0rd0n> wtf
[04:46] <Shadowpillar> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: MD5Sum mismatch
[04:46] <Shadowpillar> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary-security/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz: MD5Sum mismatch
[04:46] <Fred|Fr3d> ok cool... how?
[04:46] <ezdellis> Yeah, in the hidden mozilla directory in my home folder, there isn't a profile directory
[04:46] <g0rd0n> im going to buy a new tv card
[04:46] <g0rd0n> this is making me sick
[04:47] <twibbler> deFrysk: sounds good but I then need three .... (arrrgggghhh im not feeling sensible )....
[04:47] <Fred|Fr3d> robbkidd: how/where is courier-pop?
[04:47] <robbkidd> exdellis: It'll be named something wonky like kxd87hgs.default
[04:47] <ezdellis> Oh
[04:47] <robbkidd> Fred: sudo apt-get install courier-pop
[04:47] <Fred|Fr3d> thanks
[04:47] <twibbler> deFrysk: maybe time to do a full upgrade to breezy .... (just to check) ... but how ?.
[04:48] <Shadowpillar> pitti: can you explain?
[04:48] <deFrysk> twibbler, upgradenotes... see /topic
[04:48] <ezdellis> thanks, robbkidd
[04:48] <pitti> Shadowpillar: you might have hit a bad time, when the packages were updated
[04:48] <pitti> Shadowpillar: I just released a huge mozilla update
[04:48] <hutgyyr> Knorrie: That command isn't actually showing the folder size though
[04:48] <vinboy> how do I save my gnome configuration files
[04:48] <Fred|Fr3d> robbkidd: well i can connect to 110 now :) but i cant send a mail :S
[04:48] <ColonelKernel> Linux p4ht 2.6.14-rc2 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Sep 23 03:17:41 PDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux <-- behold my glory!
[04:48] <pitti> Shadowpillar: try to update the package index again
[04:48] <vinboy> so tat i can restore it when i do a fresh install next time
[04:48] <anethema> ok the firefox thing isnt wokring for me at all in apt! wtf is going on....http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2462
[04:48] <Shadowpillar> pitti: that's what I was updating for, because of that new exploit
[04:49] <anethema> can anyone  look at that and tell me why i cant install newer firefox
[04:49] <Shadowpillar> pitti: think there will ever be an updated zsnes in the future?
[04:50] <deFrysk> anethema, you can if you wish
[04:50] <pitti> Shadowpillar: we don't have that package
[04:50] <Shadowpillar> can it be added?
[04:51] <Knorrie> hutgyyr: `du -s .` shows the total size of the folder you're in and all that's below
[04:51] <anethema> zsnes is in my list
[04:51] <anethema> not sure which repository
[04:51] <Fred|Fr3d> robbkidd: i can connect using pop3 fine, so thanks. but i cant even connect to 25 from my other pc or telnet to it, but i can telnet to it on the pc it's running on :S
[04:51] <Shadowpillar> universe I think
[04:51] <deFrysk> anethema, dowload the installer and install it locally or in /local or something
[04:51] <anethema> ah, multiverse
[04:51] <hutgyyr> Knorrie: Yes, its just i would like to be able to see a constant update of file size
[04:52] <twibbler> deFrysk: thank you ... doing it know .... I see what its like .... hehehehehe
[04:52] <anethema> i'd rather not use the installer, want apt to keep it updated.
[04:52] <Knorrie> hutgyyr: what's wrong with `watch`
[04:52] <Gobbla> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=68322 seriosly someone must know?
[04:52] <marc_> gn&st!
[04:52] <Elko> anethema: wild guess, disk full?
[04:52] <slackman> hallo @ aoll
[04:52] <deFrysk> twibbler, good luck should work fine and check in dayly here to see if its safe to run the current updates
[04:53] <anethema> no :)
[04:53] <thesaltydog> how can I have back my boot screen after latest kernel update (-9)? The screen is completely black during boot sequence...
[04:53] <hutgyyr> its not showing the file size. drwxr-xr-x 31 user user 4096 2005-09-23 15:52 ARCHIVE_TEMP
[04:53] <anethema> im gonna just remove it all then reinstall from apt.
[04:53] <slackman> can anyone tell me how i can log in ubuntu as super user ?? ??
[04:53] <Sam3773> No screens found makes sam emo.
[04:53] <thesaltydog> slackman, from the console
[04:53] <deFrysk> !tell slackman about sudo
[04:54] <twibbler> deFrysk: will do but not long before it is official ... just a shame I have to download in office and not at home ..... (2.2mg at home)...
[04:54] <slackman> Ok thanks
[04:54] <robbkidd> Fred: Ah. Something's telling exim to bind only to the loopback address. Lemme dig for a fix.
[04:54] <deFrysk> twibbler, Isee
[04:54] <Fred|Fr3d> thanks robbkidd
[04:54] <thesaltydog> is anyone using vga=791 in kopt grub line?
[04:54] <slackman> bye bye
[04:55] <selinium> HI guys, I can gat the udma settings for my hd using hdparm -i /dev/hda. Is this they values available? IE what both the drive and controller can handle, or just the drive?
[04:55] <Sam3773> Anyone have any clue about 'No screens found' on an Nvidia 5200 running Hoary.
[04:55] <deFrysk> thesaltydog, I believe its the default setting in ubuntu
[04:55] <hutgyyr> when im copying files over the network has the network card got a buffer or how does it work
[04:55] <Knorrie> hutgyyr: drwxr-xr-x is a directory, not a file
[04:56] <hutgyyr> Knorrie: yes, sorry I actually meant updating the directory size
[04:56] <thesaltydog> deFrysk, no, if you set that line you do not have uspalsh. Anyway, now it is not working anymore..
[04:57] <Knorrie> hutgyyr: `watch du -s ARCHIVE_TEMP`
[04:57] <deFrysk> thesaltydog, there is another way to get your splash back but not with vga=blah
[04:57] <Knorrie> hutgyyr: but that's rather `expensive`
[04:57] <deFrysk> thesaltydog, not sure how to do that tho
[04:58] <hutgyyr> Knorrie: In what sense?
[04:58] <thesaltydog> deFrysk, I do not want usplash, I want my booting sequence in small fonts. With latest kernel I have a black screen...
[04:58] <Knorrie> hutgyyr: it counts the size of all files in the directory every n seconds
[04:58] <trask> ubuntu got its own kernel right?
[04:58] <deFrysk> thesaltydog, I see
[04:58] <Knorrie> hutgyyr: so that's lot of extra disk access, which you dont want while copying
[04:58] <deFrysk> afk
[04:59] <othernoob> mmh, why does mkdir /image/user/ not work?
[04:59] <trask> rephrase: ubuntu isnt running the official linux kernel but a modified one right?
[04:59] <hutgyyr> mmmm, in GUI mode does the progess status do the same thing as watch du -s
[04:59] <HiddenFly> when i boot, linux isnt able to mount sata drives automatically, and it tells me its broken or something. it works tho, when i do manually mount them later. how can i fix this?
[04:59] <Knorrie> hutgyyr: i guess not
[04:59] <Gobbla> what error do you get othernoob?
[05:00] <othernoob> Gobbla: that it can't create it..
[05:00] <Knorrie> othernoob: when /image doesn't exist already: `mkdir -p /image/user`
[05:00] <Knorrie> othernoob: -p creates dirs and subdirs at once
[05:01] <Fred|Fr3d> robbkidd: any luck?
[05:01] <othernoob> Knorrie: thanks, thought it would create the subdirs without further commands ..
[05:02] <Knorrie> othernoob: np
[05:03] <chorton> Anyone able to help me with getting a make to run?
[05:04] <Elko> probably, but they're not going to guess for the problem..
[05:05] <iqoAHS-> hi. i have 2hdd now. i want to install a fresh copy of ubuntu on my 2nd hdd, do i use expert mode or default mode? if i use default mode, do i get to select which hdd for ubuntu to install on? thanks..
[05:06] <kemik> iqoAHS-:  default should be fine yes
[05:06] <iqoAHS-> kemik, going into default, then can i choose which hdd to install on?
[05:06] <sproingie> iqoAHS-: yes, the regular installer will let you select hd's.  if you have experience with the basic installer, you should give the expert one a whirl and see which you prefer
[05:07] <robbkidd> Fred: Best I've found is this tutorial - http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/
[05:07] <Fred|Fr3d> thanks robbkidd, i'll check it out
[05:07] <iqoAHS-> sproningie, me too
[05:07] <sproingie> being debian, i don't get exposed to the installer all that often
[05:07] <iqoAHS-> i was using the expert one just now. but got stuck
[05:07] <Xappe> interesting: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1860715,00.asp
[05:08] <iqoAHS-> after selecting a hdd to install on, does the installer partion the hdd itself?
[05:08] <hutgyyr> if I had two servers and I wanted to transfer between them through a third party, say another linux box. What work will the third party have to do? Will it buffer it, write to disk before transferring
[05:10] <anethema> hey im trying to upgrade skype...it is saying:   Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>=3:3.3.3.2) but 3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3 is to be installed
[05:10] <anethema> isnt the ver i have larger?
[05:10] <sambagirl> whlie i am exploring things, i discover all these sleeping processes, using my monitor thingy, so, they using up tremendously alot memory, do i need them? they are asleep. can i delete them?
[05:10] <Fred|Fr3d> robbkidd: it says before i install them that i have to remove exim4... what pop3 server does this howto use then?
[05:11] <Fred|Fr3d> smtp*
[05:12] <othernoob> sambagirl: monitor thingy?
[05:13] <Knorrie> Fred|Fr3d: smtp and pop are really different things
[05:13] <Fred|Fr3d> Knorrie: i know
[05:13] <sambagirl> yes
[05:14] <anethema> anyone know whats goin on with my skype? hehe
[05:14] <sambagirl> othernoob yes
[05:14] <sambagirl> does skype work with this ubuntu?
[05:14] <othernoob> sambagirl: i was actually just wondering what a "monitor thingy" is
[05:14] <anethema> sure
[05:14] <sambagirl> ahh
[05:14] <anethema> just add the skype repository to your sources.list and apt-get it
[05:14] <sambagirl> othernoob
[05:14] <sambagirl> ?
[05:15] <twibbler> anethema: is your skype not working ?
[05:15] <sambagirl> system moniitor
[05:15] <[Wiebel] > hmm
[05:15] <anethema> skype is working twibbler
[05:15] <[Wiebel] > I still can't get firefox to talk to esd
[05:15] <aeoe> anyone else having problems upgrading firefox to 1.0.7?
[05:15] <anethema> i just want to upgrade the version, and the message it is giving me is.. Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>=3:3.3.3.2) but 3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3 is to be installed
[05:15] <othernoob> ah..
[05:15] <anethema> aeoe, i did :( wouldnt do it because of some other package
[05:15] <anethema> bah
[05:16] <sambagirl> ihave 2002 ppc it wont use bah
[05:16] <twibbler> anethema: hum .... nice to hear its working .. so you sorted out the esd problem then ...
[05:16] <anethema> so i removed and reinstalled
[05:16] <aeoe> anethema: did it work?
[05:16] <anethema> esd? no
[05:16] <othernoob> aeoe: firefox sucks :p get Opera ;)
[05:16] <anethema> im making it just use dsp
[05:16] <aeoe> othernoob: I am using Opera :P
[05:16] <anethema> aeoe,  yeah worked
[05:16] <othernoob> aeoe: :)
[05:16] <sambagirl> i know does ppc / pda work with ubuntu? i think i ask this before. is there offtopic channel for ubuntu?
[05:16] <anethema> i disabled esd.
[05:16] <anethema> use alsa/dmix for everything that i can
[05:16] <othernoob> sambagirl: #ubuntu-offtopic  ;)
[05:16] <twibbler> anethema: yep had to do all that on laptop ....
[05:17] <sambagirl> thanks othernnob
[05:17] <anethema> but i dont know why its giving me this message...the version ive got is higher than what it wants.
[05:17] <Echelon-H> is there any reason why can't i unrar some file?
[05:17] <shoshe> hi Everyone
[05:18] <nailbiter> Echelon-H: If you're using the open source version of 'rar', you won't be able to extract newer archives
[05:19] <shoshe> can anyone help me with the "Sudoers" file ... i kinda made a big mistake !
[05:19] <nailbiter> sambagirl: I've been using Ubuntu Hoary on a Mac Mini and a Dual G5 without any problems
[05:19] <sproingie> shoshe: that's why you should use visudo, it syntax checks before committing if you made a mistake
[05:19] <humulus> tell us your problem
[05:19] <nailbiter> shoshe: You locked yourself out of your system? :)
[05:20] <nailbiter> How does the Hoary X autoconfiguration scheme work?  Where are the scripts actually kept?  I'd like to use them for a diskless terminal setup
[05:20] <shoshe> well actually i only have one user in the system ... and i edited the sudoers file for nopasswd thing but made a mistake in the syntex
[05:20] <shoshe> now it says that u are not part of the sudoers and hence i cannot use the command Sudo
[05:20] <Jowi> hi all. how do i resolve the firefox-gnome-support upgrade errors?
[05:20] <shoshe> so cant install update anything :S
[05:21] <anethema> should look like this %admin  ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
[05:21] <sproingie> shoshe: reboot into single-user mode.  tho i suppose if you didn't set a root password, you might not be able to do that
[05:21] <mon> shoshe: you do have at least another user don't you?
[05:21] <Elko> shoshe: init=/bin/bash
[05:21] <shoshe> i did this "system_username	ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL"
[05:21] <sproingie> shoshe: worst case, you could avail yourself of one of the many fine rescue disks and edit sudoers from that
[05:22] <shoshe> mon:  aaa nops :D !! thats the prob
[05:22] <anethema> whats the prob ?
[05:22] <shoshe> spronigie :  dont have a floppy disk ... lolz
[05:22] <Jowi> apg-get upgrade with firefox get broken pipes, error code (1)
[05:22] <inc_> sup chaneel
[05:22] <mon> shoshe: well like everyone says then: boot in single user mode (init=/bin/bash) or use the ubuntu livecd for example
[05:22] <daan> Hey all. I just installed Ubuntu and now i'm wondering where i can find the settings for the video card.
[05:23] <aeoe> Jowi: I have the same problem :(
[05:23] <anethema> just
[05:23] <anethema> search for firefox
[05:23] <mon> daan: you probably mean /etc/X11/xorg.conf (dont forget to make a backup)
[05:23] <anethema> remove all those
[05:23] <shoshe> mon: u mean to say to use live cd to boot and then mount the drive and then edit the file ?
[05:23] <anethema> BUT first back your .mozilla dir up
[05:23] <mon> shoshe: jup
[05:23] <Jowi> aeoe: ah
[05:23] <nailbiter> daan: Or did you want to change your screen resolution on-the-fly?
[05:23] <aeoe> anethema: When I try to remove it, it says it wants to remove "ubuntu-desktop" too
[05:23] <Elko> shoshe: the init=/bin/bash options takes less time
[05:23] <anethema> what? doh
[05:23] <shoshe> mon : humm ... sounds good ... atleast i wont have to do a reinstall
[05:23] <Jowi> anethema: so apt-get removing the packages first will solve it?
[05:24] <Jowi> aeoe: ubuntu-desktop is safe to remove
[05:24] <anethema> i used synaptic so it removed em all
[05:24] <mon> shoshe: you really got to f**k a system up before it needs a reinstall :)
[05:24] <shoshe> Elko :  how do i perform that ?  can u please explain a bit
[05:24] <aeoe> Jowi: er, are you sure?
[05:24] <Jowi> aeoe: yes.
[05:24] <Elko> shoshe: in the grub menu, edit the line and add the init= part
[05:24] <Jowi> aeoe: ubuntu-desktop is a dummy package
[05:24] <mon> Jowi: i think he means that ubuntu-desktop takes pretty much everything with it (metapackage)
[05:24] <daan> ok. thanks to everyone that helped ;)
[05:24] <shoshe> mon :  lolz .. since im not a good linux user so its kinda f**kup situation for me ;)
[05:25] <Jowi> mon: it shouldn't. i removed ubuntu-desktop without removing everything :)
[05:25] <giles> good day
[05:25] <Jowi> hi giles
[05:25] <xagoln> yes you can remove ubuntu-desktop without problems
[05:25] <mon> Jowi: i did it too sometime, don't know how anymore though.. :)
[05:25] <giles> hey Jowi
[05:25] <Elko> shoshe: you'll get into a single user root shell, then you can visudo again
[05:25] <Knorrie> JanPieter: wazaaaaa
[05:25] <Jowi> mon, aeoe: hang on. i will try it out
[05:25] <sambagirl> who is using spyre here/
[05:25] <giles> anyone able to get xmradio to work ?
[05:25] <JanPieter> Knorrie: whazaa
[05:26] <sambagirl> skype i mean
[05:26] <giles> sambagirl, i am using skype
[05:26] <giles> whats up
[05:26] <shoshe> Elko :  u mean to boot again and in the grub boot time menu edit/add init=part and then boot and then ill get the root shell
[05:26] <sambagirl> can you do private mseeage help me to understand to open thing?
[05:26] <Elko> shoshe: init=/bin/bash
[05:27] <shoshe> Elko : sound good !   lemme try that now and lets c what happens :D
[05:27] <Elko> gl
[05:28] <shoshe> THANKS for the help  guyz ! :)
[05:28] <sambagirl> .deb is right downloads for things, no?
[05:28] <Leshrac> can someone please tell me where is the default location of Xorg.0.log?
[05:28] <xagoln> /var/log
[05:28] <Leshrac> thanks
[05:29] <aeoe> Jowi: I fixed it by completely removing firefox (which removed the dummy package and yelp), but it's 1.0.7 now.
[05:29] <xagoln> can anyone help me?  I've just installed Breezy from Preview CD (I'm a Hoary user but this is a new PC).  It freezes when trying to start X and the Xorg.0.log contains next to nothing
[05:29] <giles> sambagirl, yes
[05:29] <mon> sambagirl: generally yeah. if it's not available via apt
[05:30] <mon> xagoln: hm maybe change videodriver to vesa? anything in dmesg?
[05:30] <xagoln> I tried an apt-get upgdate && apt-get upgrade but it craps out on a particular pkg
[05:30] <g0rd0n> hi! i'm trying to mount an ntfs partition, but only root can read it at this time... but i would like me (as normal user) to be able to read that partition... heres my entry in /etc/fstab: /dev/hda1	/mnt/winxp	ntfs	user,ro		0	0 what am i doing wrong?
[05:30] <aeoe> Jowi: Ahh, those reinstalled perfectly as well.
[05:30] <Jowi> aeoe: on my way to do the same. downloading the packages now, after the removal was made
[05:30] <xagoln> mon yeah haven't tried that - is it as simple as changing the driver name in xorg.cfg to vesa?
[05:30] <mon> xagoln: jup :)
[05:31] <gerarcone> a simple question: in wich repositories a can find w32codecs? i'm running BREEZY
[05:31] <mon> gerarcone: marilat, use the ubuntu wiki
[05:31] <xagoln> mon thanks mate.  I am in recovery mode right now, running screen so I can use irssi, apt-get and lynx all at the same time
[05:31] <giles> sambagirl, download the .deb file and do a dpkg -i skyppackage
[05:32] <giles> sambagirl, dont forget you will need GTK as well
[05:32] <Jowi> aeoe, anethema: yep, worked fine.
[05:32] <oubs> hi
[05:33] <aeoe> Jowi: awesome
[05:33] <Jowi> gerarcone: i think those were removed for legal reasons... should be somehwere though..
[05:33] <Jowi> !w32codecs
[05:33] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of codecs for popular audio/video formats (wmv etc). Install from giannaros.org/public/hoarydebs or breezy: seveas.ubuntulinux.nl. 64bit? See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399
[05:34] <alnr> i run ntpdate which sets my clock correctly but later, (like overnight) it reverts to -6 hours. i dont see anything in cron daily. ??
[05:34] <Jowi> gerarcone: check out the links that ubotu just provided
[05:34] <gerarcone> Jowi, :/
[05:34] <gerarcone> Jowi, What links?
[05:34] <Jowi> ubotu, tell gerarcone about w32codecs
[05:35] <mon> alnr: you don't use vmware?
[05:35] <Jowi> gerarcone: got it?
[05:35] <gerarcone> Jowi, ok
[05:35] <alnr> mon: you probalby nailed it, it is a vmware guest , but i thought that just produced small errors
[05:35] <mon> alnr: friend of mine had exactly the same problem :) something with vmware...
[05:35] <farid> Hi everyone. Im using the ubuntu live CD as we speak and I was wondering how I can access my local drive.
[05:36] <mon> alnr: there is an option to sync host and guest time in vmware though. you checked that?
[05:36] <alnr> no, thanks, i'll research that
[05:37] <Jowi> farid: depends. if you type in a terminal "sudo fdisk -l" to see if you recognise it
[05:37] <Jemt> Greetings. I have just installed Fluxbox on my Ubuntu 5.04. When I try to launch a program from a console, I get this error : Error opening display. I think it is because I'm trying to run the program from a terminal. But I c't seem to find a Run prompt in Fluxbox as I can in Gnome using ALT+F2
[05:37] <othernoob> mmh, how long does mkisofs take for a 4gb iso?
[05:37] <mon> othernoob: same time it takes to write 4gb... depends on your config
[05:38] <mon> Jowi: i hear this often. shouldn't hoary automount other partitions?
[05:38] <Jowi> mon: yeah, but farid is running the live-cd
[05:38] <farid> Jowi, it finds the disk. but I can't find the files that are on it.
[05:38] <othernoob> mon: i meant creating it..
[05:39] <mon> othernoob: i mean that too :)
[05:39] <Jowi> farid: so which /dev/ is it located at and what is it formatted as?
[05:39] <gerarcone> Jowi, i can't download the packages from there
[05:39] <farid> /dev/hda1
[05:39] <othernoob> mon: mmh, it takes a bit long i fink :/
[05:39] <gerarcone> Jowi, it seems i should register
[05:39] <mon> alnr: you have to boot the guest OS. then start "vmware-tools" iirc. it's kinda difficult to find
[05:39] <farid> Should I be looking in /dev/hda1 ?
[05:39] <mon> othernoob: you can check the filesize right? probably in /tmp or something
[05:39] <mon> farid: that's probably it if you first installed windows and then ubuntu
[05:40] <farid> mon, I'm using the live-cd.
[05:40] <mon> farid: you're not familiar with mounting?
[05:40] <Jowi> farid, yes. so in a terminal, type "sudo mount -t vfat (for fat32) /dev/hda1 /mount/windows (if you have created that disk)
[05:40] <Elko> s/disk/directory/
[05:40] <cb> hi, does anyone know how to activate sleep on a laptop manually (the button on the laptop isn't working) IIRC it's something like echo 1 > /sys/power/state
[05:40] <mon> disk=direttory
[05:40] <mon> :)
[05:40] <Elko> heh
[05:41] <Jowi> Elko: yeah, typos. crap. Cheers :)
[05:41] <farid> Jowi, what should I type for NTFS?
[05:41] <mon> farid: -t ntfs
[05:41] <Elko> big typo.. :)
[05:41] <Jowi> mount -t ntfs
[05:41] <alnr> mon: thanks
[05:41] <goo_> cb: cat /sys/power/state
[05:41] <farid> aight. thanks guys. let me try that :)
[05:41] <goo_> cb: use one of those :)
[05:41] <Jowi> farid: make a win directory first. sudo mkdir /media/windows
[05:42] <cb> goo_: cheers
[05:42] <Jowi> farid then: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /media/windows
[05:42] <cyphase> anyone else with backports anabled having problems upgrading firefox?
[05:42] <cyphase> enabled*
[05:42] <cb> goo_: heh, now to see if it actually works ;)
[05:43] <Frafra> hi all
[05:43] <goo_> cb: good luck :) Hope you have a new and proper ACPI BIOS :)
[05:43] <Frafra> i'm trying to install hoary for g4
[05:43] <Jowi> cyphase: yes. we just solved it. completely remove old firefox first, then install it again.
[05:43] <leopard> xfonts upgrading problem in breezy, but no recent problems with mozilla
[05:43] <cyphase> yea
[05:43] <cyphase> i know
[05:43] <cyphase> lol
[05:43] <Jowi> haha, ok
[05:43] <Frafra> when i try to set the user it return to the last passage
[05:43] <Frafra> why?
[05:44] <enyc> fraf: what do you mean ''last passage'' ?
[05:44] <cb> goo_: yeah, it's a dell m70.. according to hardware support on the ubuntu wiki suspend to ram should work but not to disk
[05:44] <farid> Jowi, thanks for your help. :) Folder created and drive mounted. But it doesn't let me access it due to permissions. What should I do next?
[05:44] <ColonelKernel> if im just using a basic standard partitioning setup (/boot,/,swap) I dont need LVM or EVMS enabled, do I?
[05:44] <Jowi> Frafra: more info please
[05:44] <Jowi> farid: sudo su <type password> should let you access it.
[05:44] <Frafra> Jowi: mm... it doesn't give me any error
[05:44] <goo_> cb: ok. My wifes Dell Inspiron 6000 actually suspends very well to disk as well
[05:45] <xagoln> are the Breezy repos broken today? more specifically the pkgs?  I am trying to 'apt-get upgrade' and getting an error processing x-common_1.08_all.deb
[05:45] <Jowi> farid: next step is to create a mountpoint for it in /etc/fstab so it mounts automatically when you boot. hang on
[05:45] <farid> Jowi, what password? An optional password?
[05:45] <goo_> cb: my own IBM t40p does barely even survive suspend to RAM with ACPI :)  It likes APM much better :)
[05:45] <Jowi> farid: your own password
[05:45] <xagoln> "trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/X11/fonts' which is also in package xfonts-base
[05:45] <Jowi> ubotu, tell farid about windowsdrives
[05:46] <Frafra> who could help me?
[05:46] <cb> goo_: have you ever tried the hibernate package (+ kernel patches)?
[05:46] <farid> Jowi, but it says "unknown id" when I type 'sudo su farid'
[05:46] <Frafra> :(
[05:46] <goo_> cb: hm, no. I have just been using APM, and since it Just Worked [tm]  I just stuck with that
[05:46] <cb> goo_: fair enough
[05:46] <Jowi> farid: just type "sudo su" <enter> then type in your password.
[05:47] <farid> oohh
[05:47] <Jowi> farid: that will at least let you browse /media/windows and do what you want as a temporary solution.
[05:48] <keikoz> why sudo su ? just su is enough
[05:48] <dooglus> is it possible to take a 'snapshot' of a frame of mplayer video?  it comes out blank when I try, due to the use of an overlay...
[05:48] <goo_> cb: ah, it's a hackpack. I can actually suspend-to-ram without any other hacks than acpid, but maybe I could get suspend to disk to work properly with that hibernate package...
[05:48] <dooglus> keikoz: su isn't enough if you don't have the root password
[05:48] <goo_> cb: nice tips, thanks :)
[05:48] <tritium> farid, Jowi:  you can use sudo -i
[05:48] <farid> Jowi, I wrote "sudo su" then I pressed enter. then I wrote "farid" and it said farid: command not found
[05:48] <keikoz> ah yes in this case, sure
[05:48] <albertooo> hello all
[05:48] <tritium> keikoz: and root account is disabled by default
[05:48] <Jowi> tritium: same thing
[05:49] <Jowi> tritium: just habits i guess :)
[05:49] <Frafra> when i try to set the user it return to the same passage. help me, please! it doesn't give any error :(
[05:49] <Jowi> farid: in the terminal, does it have a "#" before you type?
[05:49] <keikoz> but he anyway needs an account root tu su
[05:49] <keikoz> to*
[05:50] <farid> Jowi, yes it does. And it says "root" in the beginning, so I guess I have root access
[05:50] <Jowi> keikoz: nope. only need to be in the /etc/sudoers file
[05:50] <Jowi> farid: great. so now you should be able to access your windows drive
[05:50] <keikoz> bah ... i dont like that sudo
[05:50] <xagoln> are the Breezy repos broken today? more specifically the pkgs?  I am trying to 'apt-get upgrade' and getting an error processing x-common_1.08_all.deb
[05:50] <xagoln> are the Breezy repos broken today? more specifically the pkgs?  I am trying to 'apt-get upgrade' and getting an error processing x-common_1.08_all.deb
[05:50] <xagoln> "trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/X11/fonts' which is also in package xfonts-base
[05:50] <farid> Jowi, it's still unaccessible. :(
[05:50] <farid> Jowi, it has a red cross over the folder icon
[05:50] <Jowi> farid. yes. but.
[05:50] <tritium> xagoln: you know breezy is in active development, right?
[05:51] <xagoln> tritium yes
[05:51] <Jowi> farid: in the terminal: "cd /media/windows" <enter> . and then "ls"
[05:51] <gm78> xagoln: Breezy is still being developed....they don't guarantee it won't break.
[05:51] <farid> Jowi, permission denied
[05:52] <Jowi> farid: huh?
[05:52] <xagoln> I removed xfonts-base and it seems to be rconfiguring every package on my system now
[05:52] <farid> Jowi, wait up. it seems like i have to write sudo su again
[05:52] <farid> Jowi, ahh
[05:52] <farid> now
[05:52] <farid> :D
[05:52] <farid> thanks bon jovi!
[05:53] <Belutz> wew
[05:53] <Jowi> farid: what you type in a terminal is not reflected on what you see on your desktop. being "root" in a terminal does not give you root permissions in gnome for example.
[05:53] <Belutz> firefox 1.0.7 is available for hoary just now
[05:53] <Jowi> farid: you're welcome man
[05:53] <leopard> xagoln: I think they are broken...doesn't seem to affect my system other than being a bit annoying. I'm sure they'll have it patched in a few hours.
[05:54] <farid> Jowi, I see. What can I do to be root in gnome? Im not used to work in a terminal environment and I haven't learnt all commands yet
[05:54] <cb> goo_: bah, it sleeps without any problems but the screen doesn't come on after resuming :(
[05:54] <tritium> farid: you're encouraged to use sudo when necessary
[05:54] <gm78> Belutz: yeah...secunia rated the firefox command line flaw extremely critical (highest rating)....it didnt work all of the time though
[05:55] <farid> tritium, whats sudo? ;)
[05:55] <Jowi> farid: you should get used to only using "sudo" when you really need it. for daily tasks, stick with logging in as a user. so the best thing is to give users permissions on a need-only basis.
[05:55] <Jowi> farid: it is not recommended to use gnome as root
[05:56] <tritium> !tell farid about rootsudo
[05:56] <goo_> cb: tried hitting Fn-<the key you use for switching between LCD and CRT> ?
[05:56] <Belutz> gm78: i see
[05:56] <goo_> cb: that's a trick that is said to light up the screen on some laptops
[05:56] <tritium> farid: please read that URL
[05:57] <farid> will do, tritium. :) Thanks!
[05:57] <Frafra> (:)
[05:57] <Jowi> thnks tritium
[05:57] <Jemt> Does anyone know how I place ie. gkrellm in the top right corner of my Fluxbox Slit ?
[05:57] <farid> Jowi, so I should only 'sudo su' when I'm for example mounting a drive or compiling software?
[05:57] <Jemt> When I fire up
[05:57] <tritium> :)
[05:57] <flint_> here is a sudo question.  does the sudo group have cups adminstration rights?
[05:57] <Jemt> When I fire up 'gkrellm -w &' it starts in my bottom right corner
[05:58] <Jowi> farid: yeah. but compiling software need not to be root. only installing it :)
[05:58] <cb> goo_: worth a try i guess
[05:58] <cb> goo_: doing a bit of googling before trying again though
[05:58] <tritium> flint_: the sudoers are in the admin group, and yes, they do have cups admin rights
[05:58] <goo_> cb: yeah, all those hard resets gives bad karma :)
[05:58] <cyphase> hmm
[05:58] <farid> Jowi, gotcha! Just tell me this last thing. What is the command for opening files? How can open an image with e.g Gimp?
[05:58] <Belutz> Jemt: enable 'set sticky state' in the options
[05:58] <corvid> someone know what could be blocking ports in hoary? cant ping the computer or anything. cleaned iptables, no firewall running...
[05:59] <cyphase> it keeps telling me the package mozilla-firefox is trying to overwrite firefox
[05:59] <goo_> But I have a raid to initialize... bye now
[05:59] <Jowi> farid: "gimp filename" should do it
[05:59] <tritium> farid: keep in mind that there are ~17,000 package for ubuntu.  The chance of you needing to compile your own is small
[05:59] <cb> goo_: lol, too right
[06:00] <Elko> tritium: after using ubuntu for 3 days, I missed xv
[06:00] <farid> Jowi, gimp <filename>; should that be with the full path (gimp \media\windows\documents and settings\ yada yada \my pictures\image.jpg) ?
[06:00] <flint_> tritium: thanks, I just tried it and it did not work on a copy of hoary....
[06:00] <tritium> Elko: xv, wow, that's a blast from the past
[06:00] <flint_> tritium, the fact that it is supposed to work is a great comfort.
[06:00] <tritium> flint_: tried what?
[06:01] <Belutz> farid: yes, i think it should be the full path of the file
[06:01] <Sevn> Anyone use Cedega?
[06:01] <Belutz> farid: unless, the file is in your working directory
[06:02] <Jowi> farid: in linux, replace "\" with "/"
[06:02] <tritium> flint_: what did you try that did not work?
[06:02] <farid> Belutz, and I know that it's in my working directory when I have the path right before the # in the terminal window?
[06:03] <Belutz> farid: yes, it suppose
[06:03] <farid> Jowi, Thanks for the info. :) And big thanks for all your help; I'll be reading the Wiki and return for questions. ;)
[06:03] <JDahl> farid, you can always type 'pwd' in a terminal
[06:03] <Sevn> I was wondering if I'll get lower-quality or worse frames in Counter STrike Source with Cedega.
[06:03] <farid> Belutz, cheers. :)
[06:03] <Sevn> Vs Windows
[06:03] <Belutz> yes, pwd is good :)
[06:03] <tritium> hi JDahl
[06:03] <farid> JDahl, great tip. :)
[06:04] <JDahl> hi tritium
[06:04] <Steelingbox> Wondering how I can get video to play inside firefox without installing mplayer
[06:04] <Ruslan> Can I connect to internet with this modem http://www.usr-emea.com/support/s-prod-template.asp?loc=russ&prod=oem#2974?
[06:04] <Jowi> farid. one thing that is very useful in the terminal is tabcompletion. so instead of typing looooong filenames, try to type the beginning of the directory/filename and press <tab>. i need to be aaway for awhile now
[06:05] <flabby> where is the kernel source located?  It's not in /usr/src/linux.
[06:05] <tritium> flabby: did you install a linux-source package?
[06:05] <farid> Jowi_away, thats great to know. Thanks for your effort! :)
[06:05] <flabby> tritium: nope
[06:05] <tritium> flabby: don't expect something that you did not install to be there ;)
[06:05] <flint_> tritium, I tried logging in to the cups adminstration panel as a sudoer.  It does not appear to let me in.
[06:05] <AngryParsley> wow, lots of updates in breezy today
[06:06] <robbkidd> flabby: Take a look at the output of "dpkg -L [kernel|linux] -source-<version>"
[06:06] <robbkidd> flabby: Ah. And, as tritium suggests, install the source.
[06:06] <tritium> flint_: oh, localhost:631?  That's disabled by default
[06:06] <flabby> trtium is there an apt-get command that I can use?
[06:06] <tritium> flabby: yes, do you want the source to the kernel you're running?
[06:07] <tritium> flabby: sudo apt-get install linux-source-`uname -r`, if your answer is yes
[06:07] <flint_> tritium no, I used the machine name explicitly, I keep a host table.  If localhost is disabled by default, how do you to printer administration?
[06:07] <flabby> tritium: probably, i really don't know.  I try to install the alsa driver and it want a path for the kernel source when i run ./configure
[06:07] <tritium> flabby: keep in mind if you're compiling a module or something similar, you really only need linux-headers-`uname -r`
[06:08] <flabby> Man i have bad grammer lol
[06:08] <tritium> flint_: typically through the gnome print tool
[06:08] <tritium> flabby: you only need the headers, then
[06:08] <flabby> tritium: alsa headers?
[06:09] <Ruslan> flabby .h -files
[06:09] <tritium> flabby: no, kernel headers (in linux-headers-`uname -r`)
[06:09] <flint_> tritium gotcha, i will try that.  thanks...
[06:10] <farid> Does ubuntu have an msn client?
[06:10] <pw> yes
[06:10] <pw> It come with GAIM
[06:11] <Xareum> hello, I copy the source.list with the backports sources from the unoficial guide but when i search with apt-cache serach w32codecs, this isn't. What happen? Sorry for my english
[06:11] <farid> pw, I thought GAIM was AIM only. I'll try that :) Thanks
[06:11] <Belutz> Xareum:  w32codecs not available anymore in ubuntu repositories
[06:11] <flabby> So would my configure command be something like:  ./configure --with-oss=yes --with-kernel=`uname -r` ?
[06:11] <pw> it has like 7 lients
[06:11] <JDahl> farid, it has several, but gaim is probably the most popular. There is also amsn which looks and feels very similar to MSN
[06:11] <Elko> farid: there is also amsn
[06:12] <Xareum> Belutz, ok thanks, I have to use unoficial repositories?
[06:12] <Belutz> gaim is better, imho
[06:12] <mon> !tell Xareum about w32codecs
[06:12] <mon> i think :)
[06:12] <Xareum> thanks ;)
[06:13] <Belutz> yup, read what ubotu told you :)
[06:13] <brodmann> hey, i'm using 5.04, but when i install ati drivers, x system won't work
[06:13] <tritium> brodmann: ubuntu packages for fglrx?
[06:13] <farid> JDahl, I guess amsn requires extra effort? downloading and installing
[06:14] <JDahl> farid, I dont think so (it might be in universe, though)
[06:14] <Belutz> brodmann: there's a step by step method in the ubuntu forums
[06:14] <farid> JDahl, universe?
[06:14] <JDahl> farid, but I also think that gaim is the best IM client for linux
[06:14] <tritium> brodmann: please tell me you followed the wiki instructions, and used ubuntu packages...
[06:14] <bystander> !tell farid about repos
[06:14] <brodmann> yes
[06:14] <othernoob> JDahl: what about sim icq?
[06:14] <bystander> !info amsn
[06:14] <ubotu> amsn: (An MSN messenger written in tcl), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 0.94-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1946 kB, Installed size: 6976 kB
[06:14] <tritium> !ati
[06:14] <ubotu> I heard ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10&highlight=fglrx
[06:14] <tritium> those ones?
[06:15] <JDahl> othernoob, I dont know that package
[06:15] <brodmann> i have to use the hoaryhedgehog binaryhowto
[06:15] <brodmann> right
[06:15] <tritium> in what way does that not work for you, brodmann ?
[06:15] <othernoob> JDahl: i find that it's superior in many ways
[06:16] <brodmann> well, when ubuntu restarts, it says the gdm settings need to be corrected
[06:16] <brodmann> the x system won't start
[06:16] <tritium> brodmann: check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:16] <Belutz> tritium: i was referring to this post http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495 but maybe that post ubotu just said is more better
[06:17] <Leshrac> is there any way to read a webpage with the xserver turned off?
[06:17] <tritium> Belutz: not sure about the forums, I always advise the wiki page.  Thanks for the info :)
[06:17] <Belutz> tritium: yup, i always read the wiki first, but sometimes the forums is more helpfull
[06:18] <mon> Leshrac: try links
[06:18] <Leshrac> lynx, thanks
[06:18] <tritium> Belutz: please feel free to improve the wiki where you can
[06:18] <corvid> need to free up some space on the computer rid of gnome etc.  apt-get remove ubuntu-destop telling me it will only free up 32mb.. seems like it should free up more than that
[06:18] <Belutz> tritium: will do :)
[06:18] <tritium> thanks, Belutz
[06:19] <mon> corvid: apt-get remove gnome* ?
[06:19] <Belutz> tritium: don't thank me, it's what communities are for :)
[06:19] <g0rd0n> im trying to play some videos, but whatever video im trying to open (mpeg, avi, asf)  totem complains about missing plugins... but cant find any plugins for totem in the package manager... what should i do?
[06:19] <farid> Ok. So I have done some research, and I have come to the conclusion that differs between upper and lower case.
[06:19] <tritium> yep :)
[06:19] <mon> g0rd0n: totem-xine works better for me, also:
[06:19] <Belutz> farid: *nix system is case sensitive :)
[06:19] <brind1> how do I get my display over 1024 x 768 ?
[06:19] <mon> !tell g0rd0n about w32codecs
[06:20] <xagoln> !tell me about vesa
[06:20] <tritium> mon's favorite ;)
[06:20] <farid> Belutz, itll take some time to get used to that. ;)
[06:20] <brodmann> tritium, ok, i'll start from the beginning, when i run the code, sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx, i get couldn't find that package
[06:20] <mon> i learned new tricks today ;)
[06:20] <Belutz> farid: you'll get used to it, i promise
[06:20] <Belutz> :D
[06:20] <xagoln> methinks we should teach ubotu about vesa
[06:20] <tritium> brodmann: that's a bad start, yeah.  You need to get that installed
[06:20] <g0rd0n> oh
[06:20] <brodmann> ah, ooooohhh, gosh
[06:21] <brodmann> stupid
[06:21] <xagoln> can anyone give me the quick run-down on getting X11 working with vesa?
[06:21] <g0rd0n> i might have problems because im using amd64 then :P
[06:21] <atob> Archosaurs are awesome.
[06:21] <brodmann> i'll be right back
[06:21] <g0rd0n> thanks for the info
[06:21] <brind1> hi anyone , display at 1280 x 1024
[06:21] <mon> brind1: explain your problem :)
[06:21] <atob> Who here likes archosaurs?
[06:22] <atob> Fair enough.
[06:22] <brind1> I can edit the xorg.conf and put in the display modes of 1280 x 1024 but I cannot get that mode to display only as high as 1024 x 768
[06:22] <tritium> atob: talk them up to your heart's content there :)
[06:22] <mon> brind1: you sure your hardware supports it?
[06:22] <Belutz> brodmann: i recommend using proprietary drivers from ati if you're using 3D a lot, if not, xorg-driver-fglrx is fine
[06:22] <mon> brind1: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:22] <brind1> yup I run winXP at that res 85Hz
[06:22] <brodmann> tritium, where do i find that package?
[06:23] <Jowi> brind1: easiest way is to run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[06:23] <brodmann> xorg
[06:23] <mon> brind1: what videocard do you have with what driver?
[06:23] <tritium> good advice, Jowi :)
[06:23] <Jowi> !resolutions
[06:23] <ubotu> Jowi: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[06:23] <Jowi> !fixresolution
[06:23] <ubotu> Jowi: I don't know
[06:23] <Jowi> what IS the command again?
[06:23] <mon> !resolution
[06:23] <ubotu> well, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:23] <mon> ?
[06:23] <mon> :)
[06:24] <Jowi> haha
[06:24] <tritium> !info xorg-driver-fglrx
[06:24] <ubotu> xorg-driver-fglrx: (Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators), section restricted/misc, is optional. Version: 6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu11 (hoary), Packaged size: 3110 kB, Installed size: 9940 kB
[06:24] <mon> i think ubotu is my new best friend :p
[06:24] <tritium> it's in restricted, brodmann.  See above
[06:24] <xagoln> anyone seen this before:  VESA(0): cannot read V_BIOS
[06:24] <xagoln> that's what happens when I try to use vesa driver
[06:24] <mon> xagoln: maybe google has...
[06:26] <xagoln> mon unfortunately I can't get X up to use google
[06:26] <xagoln> mon guess I can struggle with lynx tho
[06:27] <tritium> xagoln: please be sure to try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:27] <mon> xagoln: ah i've had similar problems with my ati back in the ol' days :)
[06:27] <graabein> hi guys
[06:27] <tritium> ati?  Do you need fglrx, xagoln ?
[06:27] <mon> xagoln: links is a better btw
[06:27] <Belutz> tritium: is it ok to write in wiki about proprietary drivers?
[06:27] <mon> tritium: dont think so, it's just that i had problems with 'm
[06:28] <xagoln> thanks tritium - already tried that
[06:28] <xagoln> it's a dualhead system (Intel 815 and ATI Rage Pro XL)
[06:28] <mon> xagoln: what chipset is it?
[06:28] <mon> ah
[06:28] <mon> xagoln: there are drivers for those i think. no need to use vesa
[06:28] <tritium> Belutz: well, we already do.  Please don't suggest using drivers off of ati's or nvidia's site, though.  Ubuntu packages should be used
[06:28] <xagoln> i815 is the primary (on mainboard)
[06:28] <xagoln> yeah when I use the i810 driver the system locks solid
[06:29] <Belutz> tritium: i see, ok
[06:29] <mon> xagoln: anything in the logs?
[06:29] <minholi> firefox 1.0.7 is broked?
[06:29] <tritium> Belutz: was that what you wanted to do?
[06:29] <Belutz> tritium: yes
[06:29] <Belutz> minholi: how it is broke?
[06:29] <minholi> after the upgrade i was able to run it only by using 'sudo mozilla-firefox'
[06:30] <mon> xagoln: i think the i810 driver should just work. maybe you could file a bugreport then
[06:30] <tritium> Belutz: if you did, someone would surely remove it
[06:30] <mon> minholi: maybe you should delete/move your profile
[06:30] <Belutz> tritium: i haven't write it yet, i ask you first :)
[06:30] <othernoob> any other way to find out the scsi id of a burner than using cdrecord -scanbus?
[06:31] <Belutz> minholi: my firefox 1.0.7 runs fine
[06:31] <minholi> Belutz, mon, first it conflicts with firefox package (the new package was named mozilla-firefox)
[06:31] <mon> othernoob: if it's your system, you kinda should know :)
[06:31] <mon> minholi: where did you get a "firefox" package?
[06:31] <mjr> othernoob, if it's an IDE burner, it has none and should not have any
[06:31] <tritium> othernoob: you can specify dev=ATAPI:, for one thing
[06:31] <xagoln> nothing jumping out at mehmm looks like it's a problem with X fonts
[06:32] <mjr> dev=/dev/hdc (or whatever)
[06:32] <hussam> I'm getting timeouts on archive.ubuntu.com when it resolves to 82.211.81.182, It timeouts every single time.  82.211.81.151 is still however accessible.
[06:32] <othernoob> okay..
[06:32] <hussam> what could be the problem?
[06:32] <minholi> mon, from update service
[06:32] <Belutz> minholi: maybe you could remove it first, and re-install ?
[06:32] <malv> firefox issue, right?
[06:32] <minholi> malv, yes
[06:32] <Belutz> minholi: make sure you remove completely
[06:32] <malv> i can't even rollback and start it now
[06:32] <stpere> hey there
[06:33] <brodmann> tritium, there used to be a document in wiki that would take me step by step on how to download the package and install all that stuff
[06:33] <brodmann> do you have any idea where that is?
[06:33] <minholi> Belutz, I remove the firefox package with --purge
[06:33] <^DodGeR^> TGIF !! hello all
[06:33] <tritium> brodmann: I gave you the url earlier, right?
[06:33] <tritium> !tell brodmann about ati
[06:33] <Belutz> hmmm
[06:34] <minholi> Belutz, and I already move my profile (.mozilla) to (.mozilla.bak)... the same think happens..
[06:35] <tritium> brodmann: you should already have the resricted repository setup in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:35] <tritium> if not, ask ubotu about repositories
[06:35] <minholi> some people on ubuntuforums.org got the same problem after upgrade
[06:36] <minholi> firefox just don't run
[06:36] <hussam> anybody else getting timeouts from archive.ubuntu.com ?
[06:36] <Xenguy> Hi - I want to run a 1-line command after every time this laptop boots.  Is /etc/init.d/skeleton the best place to start?
[06:36] <mon> minholi: well it still is relatively new and untested software. it's a risk you take
[06:36] <Belutz> minholi: try this firefox -ProfileManager to run the profile manager and create a new one
[06:37] <prabu^> Hello al
[06:37] <prabu^> i have a slight problem i would like to ask abt
[06:37] <prabu^> has anyone got the problem where downloading / uploading stalls suddenly during transfer
[06:38] <minholi> Belutz, it works on the first load, after the profile creation, and don't load up after close.
[06:38] <Belutz> prabu^: connections problem?
[06:38] <Belutz> minholi: are you on breezy or hoary?
[06:38] <giles> got a question for the channel. anyone have XMRADIO running on their ubuntu system ?
[06:38] <minholi> Belutz, hoary
[06:38] <prabu^> i have no idea :S
[06:38] <prabu^> could it be a OS related problem ?
[06:39] <prabu^> or hardware related
[06:39] <prabu^> might be my NIC
[06:39] <prabu^> is ther a way to check if the NIC is fsckin up
[06:39] <Belutz> minholi: are you familiar with aptitude ?
[06:39] <minholi> Belutz, a little
[06:40] <Belutz> minholi: go to aptitude
[06:40] <mon> try pinging the apt server 10 times for example
[06:40] <vrln> ehm... what was the ubuntu universe motd channel here on freenode again?
[06:40] <Belutz> minholi: search for mozilla-firefox and press shift+_
[06:40] <minholi> ok
[06:40] <Belutz> minholi: it will remove the firefox
[06:40] <tritium> vrln: you mean MOTU?
[06:41] <Belutz> minholi: after that, try to delete the firefox directory in your home directory, and reinstall the mozilla-firefox
[06:41] <apokryphos> vrln: ubuntu-motu
[06:41] <vrln> yup, thanks :)
[06:43] <cousin_ub> hi all
[06:44] <ompaul> hello
[06:45] <cousin_ub> you know a howto's site to install quake 3 ?
[06:45] <ompaul> !ops
[06:45] <ubotu> ops is, like, totally, Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, and Nalioth
[06:45] <apokryphos> ompaul: hm?
[06:45] <ompaul> +r ?
[06:45] <apokryphos> spambots
[06:45] <mon> cousin_ub: basicly you need a installer (quake3.com i think) and the cd
[06:45] <ompaul> apokryphos, :)
[06:45] <ompaul> apokryphos, didn't see ya there
[06:46] <gizmosis> is there a yum/pacman/rpm update web thingy
[06:46] <apokryphos> =)
[06:46] <cousin_ub> no mon on the src
[06:46] <mon> gizmosis: better: apt-get ;)
[06:46] <shaoqi> hi. i installed ubuntu on my 2nd hdd, how do i access files on my first hdd? I don't see it anywhere using file browser. thanks
[06:46] <gizmosis> kewl
[06:46] <gizmosis> i love debian
[06:46] <apokryphos> gizmosis: apt with .debs
[06:46] <cousin_ub> quake 3 is free now
[06:46] <mon> cousin_ub: you want to build it from source?
[06:46] <mon> cousin_ub: aah. no idea then :)
[06:46] <gizmosis> where do i get quake 3
[06:47] <Blissex> shaoqi: well, there is a FAQ in 'uboto' or on the Wiki IIRC about accessing ''foreign'' partitions.
[06:47] <mon> gizmosis: synaptic if you like GUI programs
[06:47] <shaoqi> blissex, i don't quite get it. i'm very new to ubuntu.. just installed..
[06:47] <mon> cousin_ub: also only the source is free. you still need artwork (eg. weapons, sound, maps, etc)
[06:47] <apokryphos> hi
[06:47] <shaoqi> blissex, mind guiding me more?
[06:47] <Blissex> shaoqi: usually Ubuntu will have detected those ''foreign'' partitions automagically and added them to '/etc/fstab'
[06:48] <Blissex> shaoqi: which method of file browsing are you using?
[06:48] <cousin_ub> ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/source/quake3-1.32b-source.zip
[06:48] <shaoqi> what method? the normal one?
[06:48] <cousin_ub> ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/source/quake3-1.32b-source.zip
[06:48] <Blissex> shaoqi: as in: command line , Nautilus, Konqueror, whatever...
[06:49] <Blissex> shaoqi: for example, are you familiar with the 'mount' command?
[06:49] <mon> Blissex: assume nautilus
[06:49] <Blissex> argh, I dont use Nautilus :-)
[06:49] <mon> Blissex: i always assume if a user doesn't know, it's probably nautilus ;)
[06:49] <shaoqi> what's nautilus? sorry guys. i'm really new =x
[06:49] <Belutz> brb guys
[06:50] <Blissex> mon: thats a good assumption, just checking...
[06:50] <mon> shaoqi: you use a graphical filebrowser with green/brownish maps right?
[06:50] <mon> Blissex: ofcourse :)
[06:50] <^DodGeR^> nautilus is like explorer on windows shaoqi
[06:50] <Blissex> shaoqi: Nautilus is the GNOME file manager, as the other guys are saying.
[06:50] <apokryphos> there is *no* factoid for Nautilus? Come on guys ;-)
[06:50] <shaoqi> mon, it's file browser?
[06:50] <mon> Blissex: i think ubotu can help in this case. not sure what command though :)
[06:51] <Blissex> shaoqi: and Nautilus has modules that do practically everything relating to files etc., including partitions and remote file access.
[06:51] <shaoqi> i see..
[06:51] <Blissex> mon: yes, I remember it has a factoid, but I can;t remember the name
[06:51] <P229> anyone here see the "gay duck" review of ubuntu? anyone considering dropping the ubuntu codename scheme?
[06:51] <Blissex> !partitions
[06:51] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, Blissex
[06:51] <Blissex> !filesystems
[06:51] <ubotu> Blissex: Are you on ritalin?
[06:51] <mon> !mounting
[06:51] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, mon
[06:51] <Blissex> !mount
[06:51] <ubotu> hmm... mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives
[06:51] <mon> yay
[06:51] <Blissex> got it!
[06:51] <shaoqi> !windowsdrives
[06:51] <ubotu> windowsdrives is, like, totally, Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[06:52] <mon> ah yeah, great script that
[06:52] <Blissex> shaoqi: so, look at both of the links above.
[06:52] <mtl> 
[06:52] <shaoqi> ok thanks:)
[06:52] <Blissex> me actually uses Kubuntu or something like that.
[06:52] <mon> list #kubuntu
[06:52] <mon> oops
[06:53] <Blissex> shaoqi: I just started Nautilus BTW. Look at the 'Places' meny and select 'Computer'.
[06:53] <Blissex> shaoqi: if you are lucky all your partitions will be listed there.
[06:54] <shaoqi> i'm not lucky enuff
[06:54] <puff> Morning.
[06:54] <shaoqi> i don't see it
[06:54] <Blissex> shaoqi: what dont you see?
[06:54] <shaoqi> let me try to mount my other hdd
[06:54] <shaoqi> no idea
[06:54] <mon> shaoqi: try this script http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab
[06:54] <Whistler> hello everybody
[06:55] <puff> I'm having a problem where I'm trying to apt-get udist-upgrade to breezy and it just sorta hangs when it gets to "Preconfiguring packages"
[06:55] <Flash13> -_- I don't suppose somebody could walk me though mounting an NTSF partition could they please
[06:55] <Whistler> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.08_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/X11/fonts', which is also in package xfonts-base
[06:55] <shaoqi> mon, trying now.. :)
[06:55] <Whistler> i get this error then i try to update my system
[06:55] <Blissex> Flash13: smae as for shaoqi...
[06:55] <Whistler> i am on breezy
[06:55] <mon> Flash13: try "wget http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab" and then running it with ./winmac_fstab
[06:55] <Whistler> any ideas?
[06:55] <puff> Any thoughts on what to do about this?
[06:56] <shaoqi> how do i get to the command line?
[06:56] <Blissex> puff: you should not be trying to upgrade to Breezy yet...
[06:56] <Flash13> mon, Blissex, will give it ago, thanks :)
[06:56] <digitize> Blissex: why do you say that?
[06:56] <mon> shaoqi: right click on your desktop and select Open terminal
[06:56] <shaoqi> thanks..
[06:56] <Blissex> digitize: because it is not yet quite all right, and involves some dangerous ABI transitions.
[06:56] <digitize> perhaps, i suppose it's not completely suggested
[06:56] <digitize> but i upgraded with no problems
[06:57] <digitize> and i suppose, it's only a small bit more until the official release is out
[06:57] <Blissex> digitize: it all depends if you feel lucky :-). And the moment at which you do the upgrade.
[06:57] <digitize> :)
[06:57] <puff> Blissex: Okay.
[06:57] <Whistler> any ideas?
[06:58] <mon> Whistler: you sure it doesn't just take a long time?
[06:58] <treitter> Whistler: I think it's a known problem
[06:58] <shaoqi> how do i execute the script? cant seems to work
[06:58] <apokryphos> shaoqi: sh <script>
[06:58] <mon> shaoqi: chmod u+x "filename"
[06:58] <treitter> the forums have several people it's happened to (and it's happened to me)
[06:58] <apokryphos> shaoqi: you might need sudo powers depending on the script
[06:58] <Whistler> treitter oh then ill just wait :)
[06:59] <mon> shaoqi: first what i said, then what apokryphos said actually :)
[06:59] <shaoqi> okay. let me try again
[06:59] <mon> shaoqi: oh yes: "sudo sh <script>" should do
[06:59] <dr_willis> Whistler,  - getting identical problem.
[06:59] <puff> Blissex: The reason I was upgrading to breezy is that somebody here recommended doing so, because I'm having problems with ubuntu forgetting about the 802.11 hardware when resuming from suspend.
[06:59] <treitter> Whistler: yeah, I'd just avoid rebooting until it's fixed, though :)
[06:59] <treitter> it may prevent you from booting X
[07:00] <treitter> that's what happened to me the last time it happened
[07:00] <digitize> i'm quite interested in what 6.04 is going to be like (yes, even though 5.10 isn't out officially yet)
[07:00] <apokryphos> mon: actually, no :)
[07:00] <mon> apokryphos: no?
[07:00] <umberleigh> hey, amarok crashed and now i can't start it again. if i run killall amarok && amarok, it occupies the command line, but doesn't actually start
[07:00] <shaoqi> it says no such file or directory
[07:00] <Whistler> treitter i have rebooted few times
[07:00] <Whistler> everything works fin
[07:00] <apokryphos> mon: well, try it if you like; wget http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab && sudo sh winmac_fstab
[07:00] <shaoqi> i save the script on my desktop
[07:00] <Whistler> everything works fine
[07:00] <mon> apokryphos: rather not :)
[07:01] <minholi> firefox 1.0.7 problem solved... killall -9 firefox-bin and run had solved it to me.
[07:01] <Blissex> puff: I think suspend is a dangerous thing...
[07:01] <mon> shaoqi: can you do a "ls -l winmac_fstab"
[07:02] <shaoqi> l
[07:02] <shaoqi> oops
[07:02] <mon> shaoqi: and make sure you're in the Desktop directory :)
[07:02] <shaoqi> ya. i guess i'm not
[07:02] <shaoqi> how do i get there
[07:02] <puff> Blissex: I'm on a laptop, what do you recommend?
[07:02] <mon> shaoqi: you'd might want to read a basic linux tutorial... "cd Desktop"
[07:02] <jeff303> anyone here use Cedega to play Warcraft 3?
[07:02] <mon> jeff303: me does
[07:03] <jeff303> mon: have you ever had the problem of reaaaly slow framerate (like <1 FPS)
[07:03] <shaoqi> i tried cd desktop
[07:03] <heitzso> hit breezy bug with xorg and fonts this am, tried submitting bug, joined up, but still not allowed to enter the bug. That's awkward. Anyway, upgrade to breezy from hoary, rebooted this am, xorg complained no fonts.  Fixed by installing xfs and xfs-xtt.  But should not have to do that.
[07:03] <shaoqi> didn't know it was case sensitive
[07:03] <mon> shaoqi:  it is :)
[07:03] <jeff303> mon: I had it working fine yesterday after painfully changing the in-game resolution to match the desktop
[07:03] <shaoqi> where can i read a guide? thanks..
[07:03] <heitzso> apologize for too long msg breaking
[07:03] <mon> jeff303: nope but i know what you mean
[07:03] <jeff303> mon: but after a restart it's back down to a crawl  :-(
[07:03] <mon> jeff303: hmm try glxgears
[07:03] <heitzso> just trying to flag that was not allowed to enter an official bug and xorg broken this am
[07:04] <jeff303> mon: works great
[07:04] <Flash13> Rhythmbox doesn't play MP3s :S "missing plugin" that could do with fixing :P
[07:04] <mon> jeff303: how many FPS?
[07:04] <jeff303> mon: other pure opengl progs work fine too
[07:04] <Belutz> i'm back
[07:04] <heitzso> another breezy bug ... have 939 athlon 64 and geforce 6200 ... does not work 64, only works 32 w nvidia driver
[07:04] <mon> jeff303: hmm ok. could be WC3 specific then.. no idea sorry
[07:04] <mon> !info mp3
[07:04] <mon> ehr
[07:05] <jeff303> mon: ok no prob
[07:05] <mon> !tell Flash13 about mp3
[07:05] <heitzso> nv driver broken both 32 and 64 with combo 939 athlon and geforce 6200
[07:05] <umberleigh> got it. killall amarok amarokapp && amarok
[07:05] <heitzso> \quit
[07:05] <Belutz> !tell Flash13 about w32codecs
[07:05] <mon> Belutz: isn't that movies only?
[07:06] <Belutz> mon: i think it's for mp3 too, afaik
[07:06] <puff> Hm, interesting... reboot isn't working.
[07:06] <mon> !tell Belutz about mp3
[07:06] <puff> What's the best way to kill gnome?
[07:06] <mon> puff: ctrl-alt-backspace should do. then you could stop gdm
[07:06] <mon> Belutz: pretty sure it's that one :)
[07:07] <mon> puff: what do you mean reboot doesn't work?
[07:07] <Belutz> Moder: yup... i forgot, mp3 use that gstreamer-mad
[07:07] <mon> aye
[07:07] <puff> mon:  sudo reboot<enter>....wait, wait, wait... still here.
[07:07] <shaoqi> mon, you mention about linux basic guide, where can i read it?
[07:08] <mon> puff: hmm killing gnome probably won't help then
[07:08] <apokryphos> !rute
[07:08] <ubotu> rute is, like, totally, a great guide for learning about Linux and is available at http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/
[07:08] <Belutz> well the wiki pages should be update since the w32codecs is not in repos anymore
[07:08] <mon> ah thanks apokryphos
[07:08] <shaoqi> thanks
[07:08] <shaoqi> :)
[07:08] <apokryphos> shaoqi: that's one guide; for other good things, /msg ubotu commands, and also be sure to check the Wiki
[07:08] <puff> Well, I could always hold down the power button.
[07:08] <shaoqi> okay..
[07:08] <mon> puff: if you have ATX you could just press it once and wait. works for me
[07:09] <xophEr> are these packages broken; gnome-screensaver, ubuntu-desktop and x-window-system-core, or why cant I upgrade them? (breezy)
[07:09] <puff> I just apt-removed several hibernate and acpid, gonna see if that helps any.
[07:09] <puff> Those were the two most recent packages I installed, so maybe they're the source of the problems.
[07:09] <puff> Well, some of the problems.
[07:09] <mon> puff: you could check top or ps for hanging processes
[07:10] <Xorlev> Was X just updated?
[07:10] <Xorlev> I just marked an upgrade and X is on there...any problems with it?
[07:10] <Whistler> anybody got slune working?
[07:10] <jyank> hello
[07:11] <puff> ps ax | fgrep Ds --> /usr/sbin/hald --drop-privileges
[07:11] <mon> Whistler: sounds like fun. i'll install it
[07:11] <Whistler> mon have you tried it?
[07:11] <mon> Whistler: i'll install it first :)
[07:11] <zrothe> !ati
[07:11] <ubotu> it has been said that ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10&highlight=fglrx
[07:11] <Belutz> what is slune?
[07:11] <mon> puff: maybe kill -9 `pidof hald` ?
[07:12] <hutgyyr> i want to copy multiple folders with cp -r but I if specify /folder one/ /folder two/ /folder three/ /mnt/newarea this will just copy folder one to folder two, right?
[07:12] <mon> hutgyyr: it'll copy everything to the last specified "folder"
[07:12] <puff> mon: tried that, it's still there.
[07:12] <hutgyyr> ok good
[07:13] <mon> puff: hmm i don't know then. i've had the same problem too
[07:13] <puff> I installed vanilla ubuntu hoary on my thinkpad t43p.  Everything seemed to go okay, BUT it wasn't seeing all 2Gb of memory.
[07:13] <mon> Whistler: slune seems to work
[07:13] <Whistler> i cant play it
[07:13] <Whistler> menu appears
[07:13] <Whistler> i press play and it closes
[07:13] <Whistler> =[
[07:13] <cesarin> hello again
[07:14] <bystander> puff, you need to install a new kernel ( i386 only sees ~900MB of RAM)
[07:14] <mon> Whistler: hmm it looks good and has some nice music
[07:14] <mon> Whistler: do you have 3dacceleration working?
[07:14] <bystander> puff, uname -m to see your architecture
[07:15] <Whistler> mon yes i do
[07:15] <mon> Whistler: try starting it from console and watch for errors
[07:15] <bystander> puff, apt-cache search linux-image to see alternatives
[07:15] <puff> bystander:  Yeah, on the advice of somebody here, I tried apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.10-5-686.
[07:16] <cesarin> bystander, : any idea how to remove the 64 bit version of JAVA? its stuck in one directory after installing it ( but doesnt seem to work )
[07:16] <Whistler> mon http://pastebin.com/372116
[07:16] <Whistler> heres what i get
[07:16] <puff> However, it then started forgetting about the 802.11 hardware.  On further advice from somebody here, I tried apt-get install --reinstall restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-686
[07:16] <cesarin> X doesnt let me touch that directory, and inside the console it just tells me the directory doesnt exist, even when it appears with a "LS" command
[07:16] <bystander> puff, well, to see your memory you should only need to reboot and chosse that kernel
[07:16] <bystander> 8choose
[07:16] <mon> Whistler: hmm sorry doesn't mean much to me..
[07:17] <puff> bystander: Yeah, it started seeing all the memory, but it coudln't find the 802.11.
[07:17] <La_PaRCa> Hey. Whats a good program to mix mp3's in linux?
[07:17] <mon> Whistler: except that you have an Ati which does seem to be the cause for random problems...
[07:17] <Whistler> anybody got any ideas about this http://pastebin.com/372116 ?
[07:17] <puff> After I installed the modules and rebooted, the 802.11 came back... until I suspended-to-disk and resumed, then it disappeared again.
[07:18] <puff> Okay, still nowhere, I'm gonna try a hard reboot.  I'll be idle for a minute until I can reconnect to this session.
[07:19] <hutgyyr> i have a share mounted from a windows machine and the folders are in the format FOLDER1 etc. ls -l reveals that the files are all there. However, when I use the cp -r command it says No such file or directory for all the folders...
[07:19] <mon> La_PaRCa: there's freej, lives and (g)veejay
[07:19] <bystander> La_PaRCa, audacity
[07:19] <hutgyyr> what is going on
[07:19] <Whistler> anybody got any ideas about this http://pastebin.com/372116 ?
[07:19] <mon> La_PaRCa: linux-magazine reccomends FreeJ :)
[07:20] <cesarin> Well, anyone knows how to remove the java64 version on ubuntu 64?
[07:20] <hutgyyr> oh I had a preceding slash
[07:20] <zrothe> How do I go about removing fglrx drivers?
[07:20] <cesarin> X shell doesnt lets me saying I dont have rights to do so, it doesnt appear in synaptic, but if I do a LS , the directory appears there
[07:20] <cesarin> and I can access it
[07:21] <La_PaRCa> um... I need something realtime... kinda like a djs console?
[07:21] <mon> Whistler: check the slune site. there are maillinglists and they have an irc channel too
[07:22] <sasch1> doing last breezy update with fglrx...the last time I did that, my hwole box froze
[07:22] <cesarin> seems noone knows heh :P
[07:22] <puff> Back... well, that didn't seem to help.  I'm still getting the "error, failed to initialze HAL!"
[07:22] <mon> cesarin: dpkg --purge sun-j2SOMETHING?
[07:22] <puff> Hm.
[07:22] <cesarin> mon: let me try that
[07:23] <puff> I get this HAL error, then click "close", then it takes several minutes to finsih bringing up gnome.
[07:23] <mon> cesarin: try dpkg -l|grep jdk first to see what's installed
[07:23] <puff> And sometimes it doesn't get the top-of-screen/bottom-of-screen menu bars.
[07:23] <cesarin> ok
[07:23] <mon> puff: linux is great, it's not perfect (yet). sleep mode is one of the things that doesn't always work
[07:23] <Beryllium> I had a weird quirk last night, copied a bunch of files off a CD into my home folder (as my user account, not as root) - naturally, they were all marked as read-only. I tried to rm -f some of them, but I got permission denied, even though I was the owner of the files.
[07:24] <Beryllium> Is that standard for Ubuntu, or is it a weird glitch? Because I've never seen any other Linux distro do that
[07:24] <dr_willis> Hmm.
[07:24] <cesarin> mon: ok, let me try that too
[07:24] <mon> Beryllium: you have write permission on the files?
[07:24] <Beryllium> It could be because I'm running it under VMware
[07:24] <eruin> bastard HAL doesn't want to play nicely with my ipod nano :o
[07:24] <Beryllium> mon: No, it was R-X, but I was the owner.
[07:24] <Beryllium> r-xr-xr-x
[07:24] <mon> Beryllium: you need to be able to write to the files in order to delete them :)
[07:24] <Beryllium> and I did "rm -f filename"
[07:24] <goo_> Beryllium: that's perfectly normal. chmod -R u+w is your friend :)
[07:25] <Beryllium> it prompted, but still gave me permission denied
[07:25] <puff> Beryllium: Okay, so give yourself write perms :-).
[07:25] <mon> what goo_ said :)
[07:25] <Beryllium> Hmm. Most curious, I don't recall ever running into that before, I assumed that the -f would force it regardless, so long as I owned the file.
[07:25] <cesarin> mon: it shows nothing
[07:25] <mon> Beryllium: think of it this way: if you can write into a document, you can also delete characters in it
[07:25] <puff> Beryllium: Think of the perms as a lock;  even though you know the combination, you still have to actually unlock it before you can get in.
[07:26] <mon> cesarin: did you install it with fakeroot make-jpkg ?
[07:26] <cesarin> mon: yeah, followed instructions of the website
[07:26] <La_PaRCa> mon, freej is a video mixer... ?I need something tomix mp3s in realtime
[07:26] <cesarin> of wiki's 64 bit java
[07:26] <mon> cesarin: grep for sdk then
[07:26] <puff> Wow, gnome *finally* just came up.
[07:26] <cesarin> but still got fuxored
[07:27] <mon> La_PaRCa: ooh wait.. you could be right. it was about video mixing.. maybe one of the others then?
[07:27] <cesarin> still shows nothing? o_O
[07:27] <puff> Hm, got this popup:  Question:  The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_WorkspaceSwitcherApplet".  Do you want to delete the applet from your configuration?
[07:27] <La_PaRCa> mon, all those are videomixers
[07:27] <cesarin> btw, also since today's boot, I can tupdate ubuntu,keeps doing that crap of "cannot lock download directory"
[07:27] <puff> I'm about this far from just reinstalling ubuntu from scratch...
[07:27] <mon> La_PaRCa: hmm sorry then. maybe audacity?
[07:27] <cesarin> puff, I did that once :P
[07:28] <Seveas> puff, just let it delete the thing from config
[07:28] <La_PaRCa> mon, looking for something like this but for gtk http://djplay.sourceforge.net/
[07:28] <puff> So, should I delete the GNOME_WorkspaceSwitcherApplet?
[07:28] <Seveas> and add it back later
[07:28] <mon> cesarin: maybe there's still an instance of apt-get of synaptic running. if not, delete the lock file
[07:28] <puff> Hm.
[07:28] <mon> puff: i always say no since it's a once in a lifetime error. or you could add it back later
[07:28] <cesarin> mon: tips to remove the lock? because I dont see any  other instance of synaptic running
[07:29] <mon> cesarin: ps ax|grep apt?
[07:29] <mon> cesarin: /var/lock otherwise
[07:29] <mon> cesarin: (i think)
[07:29] <mon> La_PaRCa: whats wrong with djplay?
[07:30] <La_PaRCa> mon, qt
[07:30] <mon> !tell me about java
[07:30] <zeitgeist_y2k> is there a way to install other apps when booted to the live-cd? e.g. mc
[07:30] <mon> La_PaRCa: you can't have it all your way :) at least it's free. don't expect much else on the linux platform
[07:30] <cesarin> mon: got the info?
[07:31] <mon> cesarin: yeah. try sudo killall apt-get
[07:31] <Seveas> zeitgeist_y2k, sure
[07:31] <boxerboy29> since the topic changed is it safe to update Xcommon?
[07:31] <Seveas> but you'll lose them when you reboot
[07:32] <Seveas> boxerboy29, yeah
[07:32] <boxerboy29> ok ty
[07:32] <cesarin> done
[07:32] <zeitgeist_y2k> Seveas, that's ok, I'm trying to rescue a system
[07:32] <cesarin> mon, done, 3 programs dissapeared from the list
[07:32] <zeitgeist_y2k> Seveas, so do I just use apt-get?
[07:32] <mon> cesarin: now try again
[07:32] <Seveas> yep
[07:32] <cesarin> ok
[07:32] <cesarin> triying
[07:32] <cesarin> works
[07:32] <cesarin> now installing patches
[07:32] <boxerboy29> same error
[07:33] <mon> cesarin: as for java: try sudo ./java-amd64-packagename.bin --help
[07:33] <cesarin> ok mon
[07:33] <La_PaRCa> mon, wouldb be kinda dumb to install all the qt libs just to mess around with djplay
[07:33] <mon> cesarin: i have no idea how to remove java if it isn't installed with apt
[07:33] <mon> La_PaRCa: i know. i did it for k3b too and didn't like it
[07:33] <puff> Hm, it looks like suspend is completely gone now... alt-f12 seems to do nothing.
[07:33] <cesarin> mon: says file not found
[07:34] <_nyn_> i'm trying to send from my own system (postfix) rather than using a webmail interface. in my mail.log, i get "connect to yahoo.com[[...] ] : server dropped connection without sending the initial SMT greeting". any pointers? (i'm a total email newbie)
[07:34] <cesarin> thats the wierd thing.. the file is there, but most commands says the file doesnt exist
[07:34] <mon> La_PaRCa: but you've got to realize that dj'ing is a very specific and small market. not much people interested on working on it
[07:34] <cesarin> also "X" , neither console lets me remove it
[07:34] <cesarin> its like a "GHOST" file
[07:34] <ruy> somone here speaks spanish, i need help
[07:34] <ruy> please
[07:34] <mon> La_PaRCa: if that's really what you want. maybe another OS would suit you better
[07:34] <cesarin> ruy: hay un sitio para el espaol en ubutunu
[07:34] <ruy> ok cesar
[07:34] <cesarin> creo que es ubuntu-es
[07:34] <ruy> donde
[07:34] <puff> Hm, looks like acpid didn't uninstall cleanly.
[07:34] <mon> La_PaRCa: there's agnula (linux) specific for audio. maybe that has something. otherwise maybe something from MS...
[07:34] <ruy> te agradezco
[07:35] <cesarin> de nada
[07:35] <^DodGeR^> could try #ubuntu-es too
[07:35] <cesarin> dodger: thats what I told him :P
[07:35] <mon> cesarin: could you paste the exact output?
[07:35] <^DodGeR^> ahh heh nice lol
[07:35] <cesarin> mon: ok give me a min
[07:35] <mon> cesarin: and what you typed
[07:35] <shaoqi> hi. where can i download codecs for playing movie and mp3s..
[07:35] <mon> tell shaoqi about mp3
[07:35] <cesarin> cesarin@cesarin-ubuntu:~/datafiles$ ls
[07:35] <cesarin> gplflash-0.4.13          jre1.5.0_04                   winmac_fstab
[07:35] <cesarin> gplflash-0.4.13.tar.bz2  jre-1_5_0_05-linux-amd64.bin
[07:35] <mon> !tell shaoqi about w32codecs
[07:35] <mon> !tell shaoqi about mp3
[07:36] <cesarin> jrel is the java one
[07:36] <mon> sudo ./jre-1_5_0_05-linux-amd64.bin --help?
[07:36] <cesarin> mon: ok
[07:36] <mon> cesarin: no idea if it has a help parameter but you can always try
[07:37] <mon> cesarin: otherwise check sun's site. it's not really supported by ubuntu
[07:37] <mon> cesarin: i really need my rsi-break now. back later good luck :)
[07:37] <spstarr_work> NetworkManager appears broken in Breezy?
[07:37] <spstarr_work>  i get no icons nothing and nm-applet shows dbus errors even after restarting dbus
[07:37] <cesarin> mon: the instructions of java actually destroyed my firefox once :P
[07:38] <cesarin> ok see you
[07:38] <psusi> can someone explain to me why initramfs is any better than initrd?
[07:39] <cesarin> cesarin@cesarin-ubuntu:~/datafiles$ sudo ./jre-1_5_0_05-linux-amd64.bin --help?
[07:39] <cesarin> sudo: ./jre-1_5_0_05-linux-amd64.bin: command not found
[07:39] <flodine> hello guys i just want to update my kernel is this possible
[07:39] <cesarin> i tried witouth the ? just in case I Got it wrong, and it says the same
[07:40] <Blissex> cesarin: it need to be executable. 'chmod a+x /jre-1_5_0_05-linux-amd64.bin'
[07:40] <Blissex> cesarin: it needs to be executable. 'chmod a+x ./jre-1_5_0_05-linux-amd64.bin'
[07:40] <cesarin> Blissex, : thank you
[07:40] <psusi> flodine: yea... update your packages
[07:40] <nubbe> is w32codecs in backports?
[07:40] <bystander> !w32codecs
[07:40] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of codecs for popular audio/video formats (wmv etc). Install from giannaros.org/public/hoarydebs or breezy: seveas.ubuntulinux.nl. 64bit? See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399
[07:40] <flodine> psusi how
[07:41] <cesarin> ok, it now gives me the classic  Sun's JAVA code license agreement
[07:41] <psusi> flodine: with one of the package managers... like the nifty gui one... sympatic was it called?
[07:41] <robzon> yo
[07:41] <spstarr_work> !networkmanager
[07:41] <ubotu> well, networkmanager is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkmanagerHowto
[07:41] <spstarr_work> hmm
[07:41] <spstarr_work> doesnt work the howto
[07:41] <robzon> is the autorun script on removable devices ubuntu-specific or is it implemented in gnome?
[07:41] <flodine> psusi will it let me get kernel 2.6.13
[07:41] <spstarr_work> breezy has 0.4+cvs of NetworkManager anyway
[07:42] <cesarin> Blissex, and after clicking "YES", it ran the package, I think it installed this version too
[07:42] <neighborlee> has anyone else seen by chance a : Buffer I/O error on device dm-0 : on install of breezy ?? ( thx whomever !) .....
[07:43] <cesarin> /whois $me
[07:43] <cesarin> /whois cesarin
[07:43] <cesarin> urgh
[07:43] <absenth> is Breezy basically ready for use at this point?
[07:43] <absenth> in a non critical system anyway
[07:43] <Chousuke> If you'ew feeling adventurous, then perhaps
[07:44] <kemik> absenth:  not in any system
[07:44] <Chousuke> 're*
[07:44] <Chousuke> though hm, right.
[07:44] <Chousuke> I heard X is broken
[07:44] <flodine> why doesnt ubuntu have a  update like fedora to do a new kernel?
[07:44] <cesarin> chousuke: already fixed
[07:44] <cesarin> it was 2 days ago
[07:44] <Chousuke> h.
[07:44] <Chousuke> ah*
[07:44] <Chousuke> flodine: ?
[07:44] <cesarin> just because a wrong UDEV program
[07:44] <kemik> breezy isnt stable until it's stable
[07:44] <Chousuke> I see.
[07:44] <cesarin> made your mouse dissapear
[07:44] <psusi> flodine: doesn't look like somebody has packaged it yet
[07:45] <absenth> when is it IN THEORY going to go to stable then?
[07:45] <Chousuke> next month
[07:45] <kemik> absenth:  13 oct
[07:45] <flodine> so im stuck with the old shi....... till breezy
[07:45] <Chousuke> flodine: Patience.
[07:45] <kemik> or go test breezy right away
[07:45] <robzon> hey, I'm running breezy, and I can't complain
[07:45] <Chousuke> It's not far away.
[07:45] <cesarin> I think ill go to WINDOZE and redownload breezy
[07:45] <cesarin> but a 32 bit version
[07:46] <absenth> robzon: gnome, or kubuntu
[07:46] <Chousuke> oh noses.
[07:46] <cesarin> since the 64 bit as TOO FEW propietary programs -_-
[07:46] <Mudchains> hello
[07:46] <cesarin> and installing java & other packages are a pain in the ass
[07:46] <Chousuke> cesarin: Use Ubuntu to download the 32-bit version :P
[07:46] <flodine> if i install breezy now will i be able to update it when the release comes out
[07:46] <Chousuke> Yes.
[07:46] <Chousuke> easily.
[07:46] <Mudchains> can someone help me?
[07:47] <Mudchains> I want to install ubuntu under vmware
[07:47] <zeitgeist_y2k> how come the most basic packages are missing in the live cd? mc, traceroute...
[07:47] <sobersabre> hi
[07:47] <kemik> flodine:  yes... but dont come running if your system breaks
[07:47] <cesarin> Chousuke, considering im a total noob ( installed ubuntu 3 days ago and still learning it ) then.. you're talking to me in chinese :P
[07:47] <Chousuke> You can also update your existing hoary install to breezy right now if you want.
[07:47] <Mudchains> I have downloaded the love cd.. and run it now from it
[07:47] <sobersabre> I've almost completed hoary->breezy upgrade.
[07:47] <robzon> absenth: gnome
[07:47] <cesarin> Chousuke,  and im already on breezy , but 64 bit :P
[07:47] <Mudchains> is there a command to intaller it? like sudo knoppix-installer
[07:47] <sobersabre> I can't seem to succeed to start gdm
[07:47] <Chousuke> cesarin: go to ubuntulinux.com and download the 32-bit image.
[07:47] <absenth> robzon: did they remove the "terminal" from the right click menu on the desktop?
[07:47] <Chousuke> then burn it.
[07:47] <kemik> i wouldnt recommend anyone to upgrade to breezy unless you *know* what you're doing.. and if youre asking in here. you probably dont
[07:47] <sobersabre> the Xorg.0.log shows "fixed" font wasn't found
[07:47] <Chousuke> just like you would on windows :P
[07:48] <sobersabre> what shall I do ?
[07:48] <bystander> !openterm
[07:48] <ubotu> To add the right-click option for opening gnome-terminal on Breezy, install the  nautilus-open-terminal package
[07:48] <robzon> absenth: yup
[07:48] <spstarr_work> ack
[07:48] <absenth> and if they did, How does one add that back.
[07:48] <spstarr_work> NetworkManagerInfo is missing in Breezy
[07:48] <absenth> ubotu: Danke.
[07:48] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, absenth
[07:48] <sambagirl> when we can update to breezy? is automatico?
[07:48] <Mudchains> anyone :)?
[07:48] <kemik> argh
[07:48] <kemik> !breezy
[07:48] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[07:48] <Chousuke> it's not automatic.
[07:48] <cesarin> Chousuke,  ok, will try that
[07:48] <sobersabre> ok.. let's rephrase: HEEEELLLP! :)
[07:48] <kemik> why is everyone so *damn* horny on breezy ?
[07:49] <kemik> wait if you know what youre doing you wouldnt ask.. if you dont know, you shouldnt upgrade
[07:49] <Chousuke> Dunno.
[07:49] <kemik> *easy*  ;)
[07:49] <cesarin> lol, I froze "X" thakns to firefox :P
[07:49] <malv> so how do I fix this firefox upgrade?
[07:49] <neighborlee> kemik, I had to try something different cause my hoary install was crashing semi frequently....so I decided to give breezy a 'shot'
[07:49] <robzon> absenth: though it's ok for me, I simply use meta4+a to run terminal :) it's even better than using desktop's context menu
[07:49] <Chousuke> after breezy comes out there will be people upgrading to Drake :P
[07:49] <Bad_Magic> can anyone tell me why my boot locks when it tries to initialize my network cards when eth0 isnt connected? (i can ctrl-d to get past it... but i have to modprobe ndiswrapper to get it up)
[07:50] <sobersabre> what is broken in X in breezy, any urls would be nice.
[07:50] <absenth> I'm thinking about trying to drop Auditor Linux on my hard drive as a local install.
[07:50] <cesarin> ok, m gonna go to windoze to install the ISO and burn it
[07:50] <robzon> Bad_Magic: add ndiswrapper to /etc/modules maybe
[07:50] <kemik> Chousuke:  yeah, but i dont mind ppl trying it out as long as they know what they're doing and dont come whining "it doesnt work. poor me.. stupid *unstable release*"
[07:50] <cesarin> *grumbles at buggy breezy* :P
[07:50] <mutunus> hi, i'm running breezy on ppc this morning I was updating... any suggestions cuz x-common gave me this error:  E: /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.08_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/X11/fonts', which is also in package xfonts-base
[07:50] <absenth> robzon: I admit it, I don't even know what Meta4 is :)
[07:51] <puff> Okay, so I had to boot into winxp to get the CDROM working again, to burn an install CD.  How can I get the ISO from the linux partition, so I don't have to download it again?
[07:51] <boxerboy29> im getting same error still
[07:51] <robzon> absenth: meta4 a.k.a. winkey :)
[07:51] <psusi> kemik: well, on the other hand, it is released for beta testing, so when it doesn't work, it can be reported and fixed
[07:51] <sambagirl> whta i apt?
[07:51] <absenth> robzon: Ahah.
[07:51] <sambagirl> what is apt?
[07:51] <Bad_Magic> robzon: it will come up if my eth0 is plugged in... the problem is bringing eth0 online w/o it plugged in makes me have to kill the network setup on boot
[07:51] <Chousuke> it's the package installer/manager
[07:51] <psusi> puff: why don't you just burn it from under linux?
[07:51] <sobersabre> hey, I am BitchXing now from my fresh Breezy upgrade.
[07:52] <IcemanV9> puff: you can burn from linux
[07:52] <sobersabre> how do I get into X ? :)
[07:52] <Bad_Magic> startx ?
[07:52] <Bad_Magic> =x
[07:52] <Jowi> sambagirl: it's the application you use to install/remove programs
[07:52] <sambagirl> u caq do over the net?
[07:52] <funkyHat> Bad_Magic, no
[07:52] <sambagirl> upgrade?
[07:52] <kemik> psusi:  yeah.. but this is afaik not the place to file bugs :)
[07:52] <puff> psusi:  See the first phrase in my comment, the part that ended in "to get the CDROM working again".
[07:52] <xophEr> Isnt there a driver that support the logitech mx500 'out of the box' ? without having to use xmodmap etc..
[07:52] <psusi> kemik: it is the help channel isn't it?
[07:52] <neighborlee> mutunus, its a known issue and on forums....in breezy badger forum..I just installed breezy so I dont know if im affected ( not everyone is apparantly)
[07:52] <sobersabre> Bad_Magic don't you think... if I am BitchXing I do know how to type startx without typos... ?
[07:52] <Chousuke> Is BitchX good?
[07:52] <robzon> Bad_Magic: hmm it probably tries to auto-configure (DHCP) and it waits to time-out
[07:52] <sambagirl> bitchx is old irc client very old
[07:52] <absenth> sobersabre: I have to use BitchX if I want to access irc from school.  SSH out to a box I have shell on, and launch it from there :)
[07:53] <kemik> psusi:  read topic "Found a bug? report it: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ "
[07:53] <funkyHat> Bad_Magic, sobersabre, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[07:53] <Jellybob> Does anyone know where I can find out how to setup the side buttons on my mouse as forward/back in Firefox?
[07:53] <puff> Considering the problems I had with installing vanilla ubuntu and trying to upgrade the kernel, is there a way to make it install a CPU-appropriate kernel from the start?
[07:53] <puff> Or architecture-appropriate.
[07:53] <sobersabre> ok. now to my problem: X server complains about missing fonts. breezy. where do I get the fonts ?
[07:53] <boxerboy29> what is vanilla ubuntu?
[07:53] <Chousuke> absenth: use Irssi. :(
[07:53] <Amaranth> puff: if you use a netintall version it gets the right kernel
[07:54] <puff> boxerboy29: "vanilla" is popular american slang for default, mainstream, normal, etc.
[07:54] <puff> Amaranth: ah-hah, hm.
[07:54] <absenth> Chousuke: irssi runs at the command line eh?  I might have to check that out.
[07:54] <boxerboy29> oh ok thank you
[07:54] <Chousuke> absenth: yes
[07:54] <Chousuke> Irssi is the best.
[07:54] <Chousuke> :(
[07:54] <NsOmNiAc> weird question .. why would anyone who's not in development of Ubuntu or assisting in the development of Breezy want to install it when it's not stable ?
[07:54] <Jellybob> NsOmNiAc: Because it's full of shiny new features ;)
[07:54] <Bad_Magic> sobersabre: you never know =P
[07:55] <Chousuke> They think they want the buggy new features.
[07:55] <absenth> NsOmNiAc: because we're SadoMasachists.
[07:55] <sobersabre> Bad_Magic what is this related to ?
[07:55] <bystander> NsOmNiAc, if they report bugs, they *are* helping
[07:55] <Bad_Magic> sobersabre Bad_Magic don't you think... if I am BitchXing I do know how to type startx without typos... ?
[07:55] <malv> firefox 1.07; I can't believe I am using the same browser
[07:55] <sobersabre> ah.
[07:55] <sobersabre> ok
[07:55] <NsOmNiAc> then flog yourself or cane yourself but wait for the official release
[07:55] <boxerboy29> nsomniac: to help the writters make it work for people that wait to install it
[07:55] <absenth> NsOmNiAc: or something like it.  Also, someone recommended Breezy as a LOT better at accessing Active Directory Resources.
[07:55] <puff> Amaranth: Which one is a netinstall at http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/
[07:55] <esac> is it safe to dist-upgrade and yes the -9 kernel yet ?
[07:55] <esac> s/yes/use
[07:55] <puff> Amaranth: Or is that an option I select during the intallation?
[07:56] <dooglus> esac: it's broken my framebuffer; otherwise good for me.
[07:56] <sobersabre> can somebody point me out to the fonts issues related X in breezy ?
[07:56] <boxerboy29> if people dont file bugs the dev. team doesnt know whats wrong and cant fix it
[07:56] <absenth> all I really want is Ubuntu + the AD portions of Xandros Business Linux
[07:56] <mutunus> neighborlee, thanks... I suspect they'll set it right soon...
[07:56] <esac> dooglus: it broke my wireless card and X wouldn't start
[07:56] <robzon> esac: I've just upgraded to -9 and I'm still alive, so I think you can try it :)
[07:56] <sobersabre> absenth what's about Xandros + AD ?
[07:56] <boxerboy29> sobersabre: what screen did you see it on?
[07:56] <Amaranth> puff: appearently it doesn't exist
[07:56] <Amaranth> puff:  i thought it did
[07:57] <neighborlee> mutunus, yuppers
[07:57] <Amaranth> puff: you can just install the vanilla version then install the 'kernel-image-<arch>' package and reboot
[07:57] <sobersabre> boxerboy29 what are you talking about ?
[07:57] <esac> it seems to be not allowing me to install linux-restricted-modules .. which i assume is what has my video card driver and wireless driver
[07:57] <crtr> how to stop the apache ?
[07:57] <esac> crtr: apache or httpd ?
[07:57] <absenth> sobersabre: they put together the tools to attach to a Windows Domain, without loosing hair, or going grey.  Wizard driven connection, that rivals windows ease.  (as far as attaching to a domain anyway)
[07:57] <boxerboy29> sobersabra: you font issue?
[07:57] <puff> Amaranth: That's what I did before... it started losing the 802.11 hardware when I resumed from suspend-to-disk.
[07:58] <Amaranth> puff: file a bug report
[07:58] <sobersabre> boxerboy29 my X server won't start, because its default font is "fixed" and it cannot be found.
[07:58] <^DodGeR^> havent seen ANY OS working properly with suspend-resume yet
[07:58] <sobersabre> I wonder which package has this font....
[07:58] <crtr> apache
[07:58] <absenth> ^DodGeR^: OSx does a fantastic job of Suspend-Resume
[07:58] <sobersabre> I snooped in /usr/X11R6/lib/fonts/misc
[07:58] <boxerboy29> sobersabre: ah i see and im guessing you just finished updates?
[07:58] <^DodGeR^> dont ahve a mac absenth
[07:58] <ubrindo> can't get 1024x768 resolution????
[07:58] <^DodGeR^> hehe
[07:58] <sobersabre> boxerboy29 true.
[07:59] <puff> Amaranth: I did... still trying to figure out what to do now.
[07:59] <K-Bay> sobersabre: sometimes, installing xfs helps
[07:59] <sobersabre> K-Bay if font is missing... would it help ?
[07:59] <IcemanV9> ^DodGeR^: win2k & xp did just fine with suspend & resume as well
[07:59] <puff> Tempted to just punt and go to debian, but I like the ubuntu style and attitude.
[07:59] <^DodGeR^> never worked for me on either IcemanV9
[08:00] <K-Bay> well it does the fonts by itself, fonts can get messy, but it helped me a few times ;] 
[08:00] <esac> when i do a apt-get dist-upgrade it says that it has kept back 2 packages.. linux-restricted-modules. how do i install these ?
[08:00] <dr_willis> esac,  using warty?
[08:00] <sobersabre> K-Bay which xfs do you suggest is better... there are 3
[08:00] <boxerboy29> esac i rebooted than installed them cause there was a kernel install with them
[08:00] <Amaranth> esac: Trying apt-get install linux-restricted-modules to see what the problem is
[08:00] <esac> dr_willis: using breezy
[08:00] <K-Bay> the standard x font server
[08:00] <puff> Amaranth: Hm, interesting, I just went to check on my bug, searched for "resume" and found a slew of "unconfirmed" resume bugs.
[08:01] <IcemanV9> ^DodGeR^: ubuntu does not work with suspend & resume on mine, either *shrug* (maybe breezy might do well)
[08:01] <dr_willis> esac,  there was a kernel update as well.  i think boxerboy29  is on the right track
[08:01] <ubrindo> anyone help with setting resolution?
[08:01] <Amaranth> apokryphos: what is r?
[08:01] <esac> linux-restricted-modules-686-smp: Depends: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-9-686-smp but it is not installable
[08:01] <Jowi> sobersabre: xfonts-base, xfonts-75dpi, xfonts-100dpi, xfonts-scalable
[08:01] <boxerboy29> reboot and see if you than can install them
[08:01] <esac> but if i boot with the new kernel i lose wireless and X
[08:01] <apokryphos> Amaranth: registered nicks only can join; we use +r when spam-flow is high
[08:01] <familia> ola
[08:01] <Jowi> ubrindo: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" is the easiest way.
[08:01] <esac> (i.e., no internet)
[08:01] <Amaranth> esac: And now that hunt begins, try to apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-9-686-smp
[08:01] <^DodGeR^> i think suspend-resume is pointless anyways , my box boots in udner 30 seconds :)
[08:01] <Amaranth> apokryphos: that's +R
[08:02] <ubrindo> Jowi: I just did that and it didn't fix it
[08:02] <ubrindo> can only get 800x600 - 1024x768 has scanlines
[08:02] <Chii_chan> Hello
[08:02] <Bad_Magic> anyone know how to change the default delay for a dhcp timeout?
[08:02] <spike> hi there
[08:02] <apokryphos> Amaranth: no, +R is only registered nicks can talk
[08:02] <esac> Amaranth: i did and it just says the package is not available although it is referred to by another package
[08:02] <apokryphos> Amaranth: s/can/can't/
[08:02] <spike> can abybody help me with mobile phone and ifrared device?
[08:02] <spike> I'm kinda lost
[08:02] <Jowi> ubrindo: then the monitor settings are problaby off.
[08:02] <Amaranth> apokryphos: ah, okay
[08:02] <Jowi> !resolution
[08:02] <ubotu> from memory, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:02] <puff> Amaranth: Unfortunately, several are for breezy as well :-).
[08:03] <spike> I've read the howto, modprobed stuff, irattach, irdadump, but nothing came out
[08:03] <Jowi> ubrindo: try the link that ubotu spat out
[08:03] <spike> running hoary, kernel 2.6.10
[08:03] <boxerboy29> esac: the restricted modules rely on the updated kernel since the updated kernel isnt used till you reboot they wont install until you use the new kernel
[08:03] <Amaranth> esac: Perhaps it hasn't been built yet, you'll just have to wait and see.
[08:03] <Sam3773> The one question that decides if i install Ubuntu or not.. Does it have RPM dependancies?
[08:03] <sobersabre> Jowi is this fonts issue a common trouble with hoary-breezy upgrade ?
[08:03] <ubrindo> Jowi: not according to the manual they ain't - could it be something to do with the graphic card?
[08:03] <Amaranth> Sam3773: It doesn't use RPM.
[08:03] <Sam3773> ... Deb?
[08:03] <Jowi> sobersabre: i haven't made the upgrade yet. i wait until i need it
[08:03] <Amaranth> Sam3773: Yep.
[08:04] <bystander> Sam3773, the package manager takes care of deps
[08:04] <Sam3773> Ok so i would install if i could fix my 'No screens found' problem. Cheers. :)
[08:04] <esac> boxerboy29: is there a way i can force download of the restricted modules ? if i reboot with the new kernel i can't apt-get anymore
[08:04] <Sam3773> Does Breezy have more graphics drivers? My Nvidia won't work on hoary now for some reason.
[08:04] <Jowi> ubrindo: sometimes, even after xorg reconfigure, the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file has put your correct monitor values BUT has them commented out. please have a look at that file to see (Section Monitor)
[08:04] <boxerboy29> esac: after you reboot the update manager will have the updates that you left behind
[08:05] <Amaranth> esac: The package you need doens't exist yet.
[08:05] <Amaranth> esac: Let me see if it failed to build.
[08:05] <Jowi> ubrindo: it could also be video card issue, but it would be my first.
[08:05] <esac> Amaranth: ok, thanks
[08:06] <xukun> any know if the Logitech Premium USB Headset 350 is works on linux and for skype?
[08:06] <ekimus> hmm "ssh -N -L 8080:pluto:80 mars" should make localhost:8080 actually browse on pluto right?
[08:06] <Sam3773> Anyone working Ubuntu on a Nvidia 5200 FX?
[08:06] <^DodGeR^> got a box here with 5500FX Sam3773 , werks fien
[08:06] <^DodGeR^> fine even
[08:06] <boxerboy29> esac: no the only way to use updated kernel is to boot to it
[08:06] <Jellybob> Sam3773: Yup - works like a dream :)
[08:07] <apokryphos> Sam3773: no, but you really be alright with that. Did you follow the wiki?
[08:07] <Sam3773> Hmm i keep getting 'No screens found'
[08:07] <neopara> Does anyone known how to get evolution to work with Microsoft exchange server?
[08:07] <hmrocha> hello
[08:07] <Sam3773> Wiki.. Nope.. Ok i'm deleting Mandrake and putting Ubuntu on :)
[08:07] <hmrocha> i was running "dpkg-buildpackage" on a program
[08:07] <sobersabre> OK!!!
[08:07] <Jellybob> neopara: Is Outlook Web Access setup for your Exchange server?
[08:07] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Sam3773 about nvidia
[08:07] <hmrocha> but it has some unmet dependencies...
[08:07] <sobersabre> Jowi, isn't Jowi Jupiter ?
[08:07] <Sam3773> ... he is :D
[08:07] <hmrocha> what is the comand to download all the dependencies automatically?
[08:07] <^DodGeR^> neopara, have u tried setting it to imap ? exchange is just a hax0red imap
[08:08] <hmrocha> i can't remember the command
[08:08] <sobersabre> anyway, Jowi you were right about xfs
[08:08] <sobersabre> :)
[08:08] <Amaranth> esac: Odd, everything seems to have built fine.
[08:08] <esac> speaking of neopara's question, does anybody know if evolution/evolution-exchange is able to use RPCHTTP ?
[08:08] <sobersabre> Thanks guys...
[08:08] <Jellybob> ^DodGeR^: Evolution can do the shared calendars and stuff as well
[08:08] <apokryphos> hmrocha: apt-get install <somepackage>   (or just use Synaptic)
[08:08] <neopara> jellybob: nope
[08:08] <sobersabre> I'll try to see about the kernel and special modules...
[08:08] <sobersabre> thanks and byebye
[08:08] <esac> Amaranth: ok i'll try rebooting with the new kernel then. which means i'll have to remove nvidia from the drivers section of X. isn't this a pain for most people to have to do this on a kernel upgrade ?
[08:08] <^DodGeR^> nice Jellybob :)
[08:08] <hmrocha> apokryphos, i don't want to install a package, i want to build a package
[08:09] <neopara> ^DodGer^: nope, but I want the calender support
[08:09] <Amaranth> esac: Well, breezy isn't stable yet. :)
[08:09] <apokryphos> hmrocha: if you're building a package (just saw that), you might want to apt-get build-dep <package>  ..on the old one you have
[08:09] <Sam3773> Its fine, but i can't actually see synaptic because i can't startx.
[08:09] <hmrocha> apokryphos, ok, i'll try
[08:09] <Jellybob> neopara: Install evolution-exchange - you'll need OWA on the Exchange server for it to work, but if that's setup you should be able to connect just fine
[08:09] <puff> I'm really starting to resonate with that verse from the song "Every OS Sucks":  "It's free!" they say, if you can get it to run, the Geeks say, "Hey, that's half the fun!", Yeah, but I got a girlfriend, and things to get done, the Linux OS SUCKS. (I'm sorry to say it, but it does.)
[08:09] <boxerboy29> esac: there is a way so you dont have to change the drivers as per the ubuntuguide
[08:09] <^DodGeR^> no clues what format the calendar has , prolly proprietary i'd recon though
[08:09] <neopara> Does the connector use OWA
[08:10] <Jellybob> neopara: Yup
[08:10] <esac> boxerboy29: ubuntuguide is no more
[08:10] <apokryphos> puff: #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[08:10] <boxerboy29> esac it is just not at that site
[08:10] <neopara> Jellybob: K, thanks I need to get that setup
[08:10] <spstarr_work> is Network Manager work for ipw2200?
[08:10] <apokryphos> esac: it still exists, nfortunatley
[08:10] <spstarr_work> it crashes the NetworkManager daemon :/
[08:10] <Sam3773> HMM can i install with my onboard intel GFX, then when im in the x-window set up the Nvidia card and swap it over?
[08:10] <hmrocha> apokryphos, it didn't work
[08:10] <hmrocha> apokryphos, i'll apt-get install all the dependencies
[08:10] <apokryphos> hmrocha: what are you trying to build?
[08:10] <hmrocha> apokryphos, praat
[08:10] <ekimus> apokryphos: gremlins :)
[08:11] <hmrocha> apokryphos, it's not available in hoary, only breezy
[08:11] <ubrindo> Jowi: just read the ubotu link - Ive done that - definitely not commented out - 1024x768 does run but has crazy scanlines
[08:11] <Amaranth> esac: Odd, I'm looking right at this package in the archives
[08:11] <boxerboy29> my understanding within next week or so the breezy guide should be out
[08:11] <hmrocha> apokryphos, i use breezy in this computer
[08:11] <Amaranth> esac: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-9-686-smp_2.6.12.4-7_i386.deb
[08:11] <hmrocha> apokryphos, apt-get source praat
[08:11] <apokryphos> hmrocha: oh, then you can't use that, of course.
[08:11] <Amaranth> esac: I don't know why you can't install it
[08:11] <esac> puff: i totally agree. microsoft says 'where do you want to go today'. i say 'which pile of crap do you want to step in today'. of course if i have to step in crap, i don't want to be charged for it :)
[08:11] <Sam3773> ... Anyone?
[08:11] <apokryphos> hmrocha: you could get the deb source like that (presuming you enable the breezy repo)
[08:11] <hmrocha> apokryphos, moved the 3 files and the dir to the hoary computer and did "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot"
[08:11] <esac> Amaranth: i'll download it and try a reboot and see once i am in the new kernel if i can download it
[08:11] <boxerboy29> amaranth: look at the kernel he hasnt fully updated the kernel yet
[08:11] <hmrocha> apokryphos, i didn't enable the breezy repo
[08:12] <apokryphos> hmrocha: then what would you do with the apt-get source?
[08:12] <ubrindo> Jowi: just read the ubotu link - Ive done that - definitely not commented out - 1024x768 does run but has crazy scanlines
[08:12] <hmrocha> apokryphos, i download the source in breezy, and build the package in hoary
[08:12] <juste> hi, anyone experiencing long GNOME startup times after recent updates?
[08:12] <hmrocha> apokryphos, it should work right?
[08:12] <Sam3773> -Pulls out whip- Anyone?!
[08:12] <Jellybob> esac, puff: Windows has problems, Linux has problems, that's just how things are. Ranting on about it does nothing to change things.
[08:12] <Jowi> sorry, i was away
[08:12] <apokryphos> hmrocha: so you *did* enable the repo to get it :)
[08:12] <ubrindo> Jowi: just read the ubotu link - Ive done that - definitely not commented out - 1024x768 does run but has crazy scanlines
[08:13] <hmrocha> apokryphos, i use breezy in this computer
[08:13] <esac> Jellybob: you are saying just what i said :)
[08:13] <apokryphos> hmrocha: I think it would need a bit of tweaking, but sure
[08:13] <Jowi> ubrindo: wierd wierd. "scanlines".... CRT or LCD monitor? What graphic card?
[08:13] <Chii_chan> My computer seems to be booting up as fast as it first did when I installd ubuntu
[08:13] <Chii_chan> *installed
[08:13] <hmrocha> apokryphos, i'll apt-get install all the dependencies and try to build the package, brb
[08:13] <Sam3773> Gonna' try anyway.. If it breaks, i'll go emo.
[08:13] <ubrindo> CRT ATI 3D
[08:13] <SanderD> Hi. Can I change primary partitions to logical partitions? Windows doesn't seem to support more than two (?) partitions, even though I've got a SATA hdd.
[08:14] <Jowi> ubrindo: 1024x768 at what refresh rate do you want?
[08:14] <ubrindo> 85Hz
[08:14] <esac> Jellybob: but i try to help. for the past 3 days ive come in here screaming that my computer keeps hanging on me with breezy. just cold freeze. i dont know what to do. i want to help. but nobody responds with any steps i might take to help them get it debugged.
[08:14] <juste> anyone has ideas why gnome-session takes a long time to start?
[08:14] <Jowi> ubrindo: in the monitor section add: VertRefresh 85
[08:14] <ubrindo> ok
[08:15] <Jowi> ubrindo: did you install the driver for your card as well?
[08:15] <ubrindo> Jowi: currently has '	VertRefresh	50-160 '
[08:15] <Chii_chan> I have no idea what could be causing it to freeze >.<  Just installed it earlier today and downloaded all the updates
[08:15] <Chii_chan> all of them installed but one
[08:15] <Sam3773> ... Can i install Hoary with my onboard graphics card, then install the Nvidia drivers in X-Window then Use my Nvidia card?!
[08:15] <Jowi> ubrindo: you can force set it to 85 if you know that works with 1024x768 for you.
[08:16] <ubrindo> errr on the driver I just ran the config script
[08:16] <Jowi> !ati
[08:16] <ubotu> it has been said that ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI, or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10&highlight=fglrx
[08:16] <ubrindo> ok I will try the 85Hz thing
[08:16] <Chii_chan> Not sure of any specifics though >.<  Just running this on my laptop which has a built in radeon igp345m
[08:17] <occy> My sound has been working on my laptop forever.  I rebooted last night(haven't changed or upgrade anything)  and now it has just stopped working.
[08:17] <Chilango> Hello people. Just trying to install hedge hoag on a k8n motherboard from Asus, and I have a problem trying to find the sata disk.
[08:17] <Sam3773> .. Once installed, can i stick KDE on it? :D
[08:17] <Jowi> Mmmmm, time for some popcorn
[08:17] <bombela> Hello all ! I am frenchy :D
[08:18] <Chii_chan> ick... couldnt help with that >.<  I am deaf so I have no idea if the sound was working in the first place or not
[08:18] <Amaranth> Sam3773: you could just get kubuntu instead
[08:18] <bombela> linux is good... Y a des franais ici ?
[08:18] <deFrysk> !fr
[08:18] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, fr is Va a #ubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[08:18] <klaym> hello! I have a problem with flash player on Mozilla Firefox. I can watch animations fine but when I try to play a game (=involving pressing keyboard buttons), the animation gets extremely slow, and halts completely during the time the key is pressed. Any ideas on how to fix this?
[08:18] <bombela> cool
[08:19] <Sam3773> ... I could.
[08:19] <frank23> bombela: pour de l'aide en francais, essaie #ubuntu-fr
[08:19] <bombela> thanks
[08:19] <ompaul> Seveas, om?
[08:19] <Amaranth> klaym: for the most part flash on linux sucks, blame macromedia
[08:19] <ompaul> Seveas, pm even :-/
[08:19] <bombela> lol klaym
[08:19] <Sam3773> Can i install Hoary with my onboard graphics card, then install the Nvidia drivers in X-Window then Use my Nvidia card?!
[08:19] <nightswim> why not
[08:19] <bombela> by, i go to #ubuntu-fr
[08:19] <slashzul> how do i install ubunto after booting off "live"session?
[08:20] <frank23> slashzul: you need the install cd
[08:20] <klaym> oh dang. so this is a normal 'feature' ?
[08:20] <othernoob> mmh, how do i kill a process when kill 1234 doesn't seem to work?
[08:20] <Seveas> ompaul, anytime
[08:20] <slashzul> they should install a quickie -install cause I know it worked script ...
[08:20] <IcemanV9> othernoob: kill -9 1234
[08:20] <zeitgeist_y2k> othernoob, have you tried killall 1234?
[08:20] <othernoob> zeitgeist_y2k: yes..
[08:20] <ubrindo_> Jowi: nope didn't work although 800x600 looks better now at 85Hz....
[08:21] <GuBA> configure: error: Cannot find MySQL header files under /where??
[08:21] <othernoob> IcemanV9: didn't work either..
[08:21] <^DodGeR^> Sam3773, i have dual SLI grafix cards , ubuntu finds them both fine , and glx works
[08:21] <frank23> GuBA: you need some kind of mysql-dev package
[08:21] <ubrindo_> Jowi: nope didn't work although 800x600 looks better now at 85Hz....
[08:22] <IcemanV9> seriously? -9 means force kill
[08:22] <shadey216> hey guys i'm trying to install Samba on my Ubuntu 5.04 but i keep getting an error "Depends: samba-common (=3.0.10-1ubuntu3) but 3.0.14a-3ubuntu3~5.04ubp1 is to be installed".  Is my sources.list messed up?
[08:22] <othernoob> IcemanV9: yea, but it's still there..
[08:22] <IcemanV9> othernoob: try to run top, then kill it from there?
[08:22] <GuBA> frank23, is libmysqlclient14-dev ... thx ...
[08:23] <Jowi_away> ubrindo_: i'm just on my way out. if that did nothing, and you have followed the link ubotu gave you for ATI, and you did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, then i'm out of ideas....
[08:23] <Sam3773> Could me putting the wrong PCI bus for the Nvidia into xorg.conf cause a no screens found error?
[08:23] <Frafra> !java amd64
[08:23] <othernoob> IcemanV9: tried that as well before..
[08:23] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, Frafra
[08:23] <ubrindo_> no problesm Jowi thanks anyway
[08:23] <samu2> is there a shockwave plugin?
[08:23] <Chii_chan> Just making sure... ubuntu is a version of linux based off of debian correct?  Trying to figure out if I downloading the right version of ndiswrapper >.<
[08:23] <Sam3773> ..
[08:24] <Jowi_away> cu abit later on. bye guys
[08:24] <Sam3773> Has linux EVER had a shockwave plugin?
[08:24] <IcemanV9> othernoob: w0w. okay. try to find the parent process .. and kill it
[08:24] <othernoob> IcemanV9: uhm, how'd i find that?
[08:24] <deFrysk> Chii_chan, yes but make sure to use ubuntu repos, not debian repo's
[08:24] <Seveas> Sam3773, no
[08:24] <Chii_chan> repos?
[08:25] <Sam3773> It was retorical.. Thanks anyway :D
[08:25] <Chii_chan> Im sorry to bother, but what is a repos?
[08:25] <deFrysk> !tell Chii_chan about repositories
[08:25] <zeitgeist_y2k> Chii_chan, repos = repository
[08:25] <silas_j> hi Seveas, sorry to change nickname a lot of times... does it prejudice something?
[08:25] <psusi> can someone explain to me why initramfs is any better than initrd?
[08:25] <IcemanV9> othernoob: type 'ps aux |grep -i <whatever you're trying to kill app>' ... e.g. ps aux |grep -i xmms
[08:25] <Seveas> silas_j, guess you're not a spambot sorry
[08:25] <Chii_chan> ty ^^
[08:25] <silas_j> Seveas, no prob.
[08:26] <QMario> Hello Seveas!!! :)
[08:26] <othernoob> IcemanV9: well, i've been doing that..albeit without the -i..for the last 5 mins.. :/
[08:26] <boxerboy29> there are spambots on irc too?
[08:26] <samu2> so the answer was no?
[08:26] <othernoob> IcemanV9: and the -i doesn't offer more processes..
[08:26] <QMario> How do I split an OpenOffice Presentation file in half? :-/
[08:27] <IcemanV9> othernoob: i don't know anymore to tell ya. :(
[08:27] <shadey216> hey guys i'm trying to install Samba on my Ubuntu 5.04 but i keep getting an error "Depends: samba-common (=3.0.10-1ubuntu3) but 3.0.14a-3ubuntu3~5.04ubp1 is to be installed".  Is my sources.list messed up?
[08:27] <Ninjew> Does anybody know of any programs off the top of their head that can read APEv3 tagged MP3s  in Linux?
[08:27] <Frafra> !java
[08:27] <ubotu> To install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java or, for Sun's Java, ask me about !sunjava
[08:27] <IcemanV9> othernoob: what was it were you trying to kill??
[08:27] <othernoob> IcemanV9: me neither..k3b..
[08:27] <deFrysk> shadey216, could be , put it in pastebin
[08:27] <Seveas> rem uiaoUk
[08:27] <Seveas> dang
[08:27] <shadey216> pastebin?  Sorry still sort of new to Ubuntu
[08:27] <othernoob> IcemanV9: i'm almost tempted to reboot :(
[08:27] <Seveas> !tell shadey216 about paste
[08:28] <deFrysk> !tell shadey216 about pastebin
[08:28] <IcemanV9> othernoob: wait a minute ... is your cd drive empty?? OR cd is running like crazy and won't stop/eject?
[08:28] <deFrysk> :D
[08:28] <QMario> Seveas, what does +r do?
[08:28] <boxerboy29> i am a +e whatever that means
[08:28] <othernoob> IcemanV9: my cddrive is empty
[08:29] <QMario> Seveas?
[08:29] <occy> can someone please help me with my sound?
[08:29] <IcemanV9> empty? it should be killed easily. hmm.
[08:29] <Seveas> keeps al unregistered users and crappy spambots out
[08:29] <shadey216> One sec on pastebin
[08:29] <deFrysk> !tell occy about ask
[08:30] <occy> I don't have a specific question, sadly.
[08:30] <occy> sound isn't working[tm] 
[08:30] <occy> heh
[08:30] <othernoob> IcemanV9: i thought so too.. if it hadn't been empty and/or was spinning i'd have umounted it first and/or ejected..
[08:30] <occy> When I installed Ubuntu the first time, it just worked.
[08:30] <occy> it worked for 2 months.
[08:30] <QMario> Seveas, so we are not fixed yet?
[08:30] <occy> and I rebooted last night and it stopped working.
[08:30] <occy> :(
[08:30] <QMario> !Botsnack
[08:30] <ubotu> :)
[08:30] <Chii_chan> ok, so there is a unbutu version of this program then?
[08:30] <shadey216> here is the pastebin of my sources.list http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2466
[08:32] <othernoob> first time i'm having problems killing a process.. :/
[08:33] <deFrysk> shadey216, seems to look fine , what are you tring to install ?
[08:33] <ompaul> othernoob what are you trying to kill?
[08:33] <othernoob> ompaul: k3b
[08:34] <shadey216> i'm trying to install samba, samba-common is installed
[08:34] <Seveas> pkill -9 k3b
[08:34] <ompaul> othernoob, try killall k3b
[08:34] <deFrysk> othernoob, dont we all :D
[08:34] <shadey216> i get the error samba: Depends: samba-common (=3.0.10-1ubuntu3) but 3.0.14a-3ubuntu3~5.04ubp1 is to be installed
[08:34] <ompaul> othernoob, did that work?
[08:34] <deFrysk> shadey216, and you are installing samba with synaptic ?
[08:34] <shadey216> correct
[08:35] <othernoob> Seveas: didn't work, ompaul: no, tried that before deFrysk: i like k3b
[08:35] <IcemanV9> pkill? never saw it before .. hmm .. checking out the manpage on pkill
[08:35] <ompaul> othernoob, have you any graphics from the application on the screen?
[08:35] <deFrysk> othernoob, I was just kidding
[08:35] <othernoob> ompaul: no, that's why i'm trying to kill it
[08:35] <GuBA> configure: error: Cannot find MySQL header files under /usr/include/mysql --> :'(
[08:35] <Chii_chan> for these unbuntu repositories, when I download something is this the actual program which will run with unbuntu?
[08:35] <ompaul> othernoob, whats its pid?
[08:35] <deFrysk> shadey216, disable backports refresh and try again
[08:35] <othernoob> 8581..
[08:35] <shadey216> ok
[08:36] <ompaul> othernoob, actually grab its line from top and paste it into _pastebin_
[08:36] <deFrysk> stupid backport crap
[08:36] <pixman> Hello :)
[08:36] <pixman> Damn, ubuntu is so strange.
[08:36] <shadey216> I disabled my 2 backports and sadly i still get the same error
[08:36] <pixman> It's such a fun to work with ... :)
[08:37] <deFrysk> shadey216, darn backports
[08:37] <ompaul> pixman, no, not accurate not strange :)
[08:37] <pixman> if any developers are around... kudos to you, great work ;)
[08:37] <Lars_G> shadey216: Disabled, and ran "apt-get update" right?
[08:37] <IcemanV9> pgrep .. a neat way to find out the process instead of 'ps aux |grep k3b'
[08:37] <pixman> ompaul, oh well :)
[08:37] <Chii_chan> linux in general is strange to me, but Ill learn it eventually, lol
[08:37] <shadey216> through Synaptic, I had it update
[08:37] <pixman> I've been using Linux for years
[08:37] <Chii_chan> Ive been using it for 2 hours :p
[08:37] <pixman> but Ubuntu is a great gift to me
[08:37] <deFrysk> Chii_chan, linux is fun to master (eventually)
[08:37] <pixman> especially the development tree, breezy badger
[08:37] <Absenth> What's Linux?
[08:37] <Chii_chan> I know... lol I have patience
[08:37] <LinuxJones> pixman, what's so strange about it ?
[08:37] <boxerboy29> im just mad as hell at linux today
[08:37] <benkong2> syskonnect gigabit ethernet driver (skge) complains that it cannot map device registers when I boot breezy on my AMD64. Everything works but do I need to be concerned or is there a way to fix this?
[08:37] <pixman> this one will REALY rock =)
[08:38] <Slarti-> anyone around that could help with an nforce sound problem?
[08:38] <pixman> LinuxJones, that everytime I use it I have more fun to work with it :)
[08:38] <LinuxJones> pixman, heh
[08:38] <secureboot> is it possible to install ubuntu onto a single root LVM parition, or do you need a /boot to be a separate physical partition?
[08:38] <ompaul> pixman, not will, does :)
[08:38] <pixman> LinuxJones, nowadays use it for everything... doing music, capturing tv shows, programming etc.
[08:38] <pixman> ompaul, ain't released yet
[08:38] <LinuxJones> pixman, yes it's wonderfull
[08:38] <othernoob> http://pastebin.com/372193
[08:38] <deFrysk> shadey216, possibly backports broke some deps ?
[08:38] <Chii_chan> Am curious about these repositories... basically from what I read, they are versions of the program which are compatible with that system.  Right?
[08:39] <pixman> I just foudn out about the Epiphanny RSS extension
[08:39] <pixman> cool thing
[08:39] <Chii_chan> Or am I missing some concept?
[08:39] <pixman> now I can feed liferea directly when I surf.
[08:39] <psusi> on a 486 sx/25 no less ;)
[08:39] <pixman> I love the concept of gnome... simple & functional
[08:39] <LinuxJones> pixman, I wish there were some Professional Grade Video Editing tools to run on it :(
[08:39] <deFrysk> shadey216, did you use ubuntuguide to set up hoary ?
[08:39] <Absenth> psusi, that's pretty close to the last time I did it.
[08:39] <pixman> LinuxJones, tried Cinelerra?
[08:39] <pixman> it's great
[08:39] <pixman> and there is still MainActor
[08:39] <LinuxJones> pixman, too cumbersome
[08:39] <Absenth> psusi, I just remember downloading the floppy images from execpc in Milwaukee
[08:39] <shadey216> No, i just installed it myself
[08:39] <puff> Jellybob: I'm pretty much in the same place, though on hoary.  Nobody seems to have any sort of suggestions for what t do.
[08:40] <othernoob> ompaul: any ideas with that line?
[08:40] <psusi> heh.... sunsite.unc.edu
[08:40] <pixman> mh... LinuxJones I'm not sure but I think there was some very good program starting with P for video editing... gtk based afair
[08:40] <deFrysk> shadey216, no clue sorry
[08:40] <puff> So... I think I'm at the point where I just want to get back to where I was when I just had a default install of hoary.  Is there any way to do that?
[08:40] <puff> Or should I just reformat and reinstlal?
[08:40] <Absenth> I wonder if any of the old dialup BBS's are still around....
[08:40] <LinuxJones> pixman, pitiv but it's still in Alpha
[08:40] <shadey216> no problem, thanks for trying, i'll keep hunting
[08:41] <psusi> I had more fun though the time windows on my dual PII-233 crapped out and I downloaded the debian boot floppy from a computer on campus and managed to boot it at home, dial up the modem, and download everything else needed to set up a functional system
[08:41] <pixman> LinuxJones, ah, that one, right. tnx :)
[08:41] <psusi> now I don't even have a floppy drive... floppies suck
[08:41] <QMario> Hello LinuxJones!!! :)
[08:41] <deFrysk> shadey216, be careful with backports it can break stuff
[08:41] <LinuxJones> QMario, long time no see :)
[08:41] <pixman> LinuxJones, didn't know it's still alpha... a matter of time ... or work one could do maybe yourself :)
[08:41] <funkyHat> psusi, i've done that install before :P
[08:41] <psusi> I wrote a floppy disk driver once.... biggest pile of shit hardware ever designed
[08:42] <pixman> LinuxJones, btw, so far you can use virtualdub for video editing through wine...
[08:42] <psusi> funkyHat: right now I'm working on installing ubuntu from the livecd to my sata raid heh
[08:42] <pixman> works fine for me
[08:42] <Absenth> psusi, heh.  I have one computer with a floppy drive, JUST in case.  Also have one floppy drive in a box for bios upgrades for those few systems I have that won't boot to USB
[08:42] <LinuxJones> pixman, I am moving on Sunday across the country to goto work, no time :)
[08:42] <funkyHat> cool :)
[08:42] <pixman> I use Wine for a lot of software and it works properly
[08:42] <psusi> absenth: I just use bootable cds
[08:42] <pixman> even The Settlers 4 runs like on a windows machine.
[08:42] <Chii_chan> A repository is basically a version of a program that is compatible with that version of linux  correct?  Or am I missing something when I read that page that ubotu gave me
[08:42] <pixman> couldn't believe my eyes ;)
[08:42] <LinuxJones> pixman, In a few years there will be a few excellent ones
[08:43] <pixman> guess so.
[08:43] <boxerboy29> i thought it was more of an ftp site
[08:43] <pixman> 2006 will be such a great year for linux
[08:43] <pixman> a real bliss
[08:43] <othernoob> pixman: why?
[08:43] <puff> Okay, I guess i'll just try reformatting and reinstalling.
[08:44] <esac> yay, so i downloaded linux-restricted-modules and forced install with a dpkg -i and everything works
[08:44] <pixman> because projects reached a state of goodness and stability, that you can really be satisfied with the functionality of them
[08:44] <Absenth> does anyone here use Etherape?
[08:44] <Slarti-> just switched to ubuntu from mandrake and having a prob getting nvidia's nforce audio driver going, anyone here able to help
[08:44] <esac> even after rebooting with -9 it wouldnt let me dist-upgrade and get those though
[08:44] <pixman> and gnome becomes more and more seamlessly integrated...
[08:44] <psusi> absenth: the other day I downloaded a hard disk confidence tester program... it came as a dos bootable floppy image... I just burned it to a cd... heh
[08:44] <dr_willis> wowsers. :P
[08:44] <pixman> it's  become so easy to install and use Linux, especially with Ubuntu.
[08:45] <Chii_chan> It may seem easy to you but it is still quite scary if someone doesnt know much :/
[08:45] <pixman> I'm crazy about this one... and I used debian luckily for years. I'm so happy a debian-based distribution made it so far
[08:45] <dr_willis> on that 386-modules-restricted held back issue. I had to reboot.. Uninstall them, then reinstall them.
[08:45] <Slarti-> got the driver built and installed and managed to kill the intel alsa driver and the nvsound driver shows under lsmod but it just aint playing ball
[08:45] <dr_willis> since i dident have the nvidia modules othewise.  had to do this from the console.
[08:46] <boxerboy29> is there a site that tells you what the filesystem error code mean?
[08:46] <crtr> how to see my kernel version ?
[08:46] <dr_willis> uname -a
[08:46] <deFrysk> crtr, uname -r
[08:46] <crtr> 10x
[08:46] <dr_willis> :)
[08:46] <deFrysk> :D
[08:46] <twibbler> deFrysk: help ...... breezy upgrade xterm wont start ....
[08:46] <Chii_chan> Okey... Im looking at the unbuntu repository page... what would ndiswrapper be under?
[08:46] <deFrysk> twibbler, ?
[08:47] <Chii_chan> or should I download everything?
[08:47] <IcemanV9> pixman: you're using epiphany, right? liferea is rss feed .. how was it? i have been looking for rss extension for epiphany for a while
[08:47] <deFrysk> twibbler, what are you doing ?
[08:47] <twibbler> deFrysk: on laptop .... at moment... desktop ... followed instructions ... for breezy upgrade .... rebooted ... xwindows not loading ... can get into command prompt ..
[08:48] <pixman> IcemanV9, perfectly fine. If you're on a site that provides a feed, there will be an icon in the status bar on the bottom of the epiphany window
[08:48] <pixman> then you click on it
[08:48] <deFrysk> twibbler, you ran the dist-upgrade ?
[08:48] <pixman> and it shows you a dialog and you click "Subscribe" and liferea offers a dialog with all the information already filled in ... and click ok => there you go =)
[08:48] <twibbler> deFrysk: yep ...
[08:48] <IcemanV9> very cool. that's what i am looking for. perfect. thks!
[08:49] <deFrysk> twibbler, first apt-get update again and apt-get dist-upgrade again
[08:49] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[08:49] <twibbler> deFrysk: ok already tried update but not upgrade ... will run now ...
[08:49] <deFrysk> twibbler, dist-upgrade
[08:50] <pixman> IcemanV9, liferea is in my opinion the best (most features) client for gnome
[08:50] <AndieB> hi all!
[08:50] <pixman> have fun :)
[08:50] <twibbler> deFrysk: yep dist-upgrade .. sorry being lazy with typing ...
[08:50] <ompaul> Myrtti, sleep 28000 :)
[08:50] <AndieB> How is it you do to config SAMBA with a password so that a Windows client can access the ubunut linux box?
[08:51] <Myrtti> that would be lovely
[08:51] <Myrtti> but BB-Fin stats in 10mins
[08:51] <morale> andieb, add it to the smbpasswd file 'smbpasswd -a [username] '
[08:51] <Absenth> to install KDE on my Hoary install, it would just be apt-get install kde?
[08:51] <morale> anyone have problems installing /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.08_all.deb? "error: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/X11/fonts', which is also in package xfonts-base"
[08:51] <deFrysk> twibbler, breezy can always have a bug/broken dep somewhere , i hope you understand that
[08:52] <Absenth> or is there a diffrent package name for the KDE system?
[08:52] <dr_willis> Absenth,  the KUBUNTU homepage tells ya what to do. they even have beta of the 3.5 kde there.
[08:52] <boxerboy29> how do you delete the Xcommon_1.08 and retry it from download?
[08:52] <Seveas> Absenth, try kubuntu-desktop
[08:52] <Dr_Fate> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.08_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/X11/fonts', which is also in package xfonts-base
[08:52] <dr_willis> morale,  i see same problem. but causing no issues that i can tell.
[08:52] <deFrysk> morale a possible solution is sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.08_all.deb
[08:52] <Seveas> boxerboy29, apt-get clean
[08:52] <morale> deFrysk, thanks
[08:52] <boxerboy29> ty seveas
[08:52] <crtr> what`s the newes kernel version for kubuntu ? 2.6.10-5 ?
[08:52] <Seveas> deFrysk, that's a bad one...
[08:52] <brodmann> hi, how come the sudo apt-get install w32codecs isn't working
[08:52] <AndieB> morale: Ah, thank you!
[08:52] <brodmann> i cant get those codecs
[08:53] <deFrysk> morale, Its a bad one Seveas says
[08:53] <Seveas> brodmann, it's not in the repos you use...
[08:53] <deFrysk> so if in doubt , dont
[08:53] <brodmann> where do i check that?
[08:53] <QMario> Hello ompaul!!! :)
[08:53] <Absenth> thanks guys.
[08:53] <QMario>  
[08:54] <ompaul> QMario, good evening
[08:54] <twibbler> deFrysk: yep am well aware of that .... hence have laptop ll configured with hoary as back up in case .. with all data etc ..
[08:54] <QMario> Ompaul, are you evacuating from Hurricane Rita?
[08:54] <Alex_BO> HELLO!How can advice me a good channel to chat about Linux, not an help channel
[08:54] <esac> i just upgraded to 2.6.12-9 kernel and the nvidia driver is in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/volatile ... what does that mean ?
[08:54] <boxerboy29> damnit same error
[08:54] <brodmann> well, it says that the package maybe obsolete
[08:54] <morale> fireglcontrol panel was working a while back until i upgraded breezy again and now im getting the same libexpat.so.0 error. anyone know why it is looking for a 64-bit shared library again?
[08:55] <deFrysk> twibbler, good stuff :)
[08:55] <Slarti-> fixed, nothing like asking frantically for help, winging it and fixing it yourself
[08:55] <Chii_chan> yeay!!! I found how to install ndiswrapper :D
[08:55] <IcemanV9> pixman: i don't see anything in the status bar .. is there something i need to tweak?
[08:55] <ompaul> QMario, emm I am about 8000k away
[08:55] <twibbler> deFrysk: had good experience of windoze ..... (And all its faults ...)....
[08:55] <dr_willis> ive see  that volatile stuff befor esac  not sure what the deal is with it.. let me see where mine is.
[08:55] <deFrysk> twibbler, hehe
[08:55] <pixman> IcemanV9, did you install the extensions?
[08:55] <Seveas> ompaul, sounds like a safe distance..
[08:56] <IcemanV9> yep
[08:56] <pixman> you must activate it
[08:56] <esac> dr_willis: thanks. i just want to make sure before i try to restart with the nvidia driver that everything is ok
[08:56] <dr_willis> esac,  yep - i got mine there as well.. working good. and a lot of other things
[08:56] <pixman> click in the menu on "tools->extensions"
[08:56] <_blake> ok, so I am trying to install this market analysis program, but it requires libodbc.so.1 So I follow the very simple instructions and compile and install this library ...but the market analysis program keeps giving me "required libraries not found : libodbc.so.1"
[08:56] <esac> dr_willis: ok, thanks
[08:56] <ompaul> Seveas, maybe :)
[08:56] <pixman> and activate News-Feed Abonnements
[08:56] <pixman> do you see it?
[08:56] <sambagirl> breezy did not update my system oh well brb
[08:56] <IcemanV9> i already am in there .. looking for the right extention ..
[08:56] <dr_willis> esac,  i had the modules-held back issue. rebooted to console. (x dident work) removed and reinstalled the restricted-modules package and it worked.
[08:56] <IcemanV9> no, it is not there.
[08:57] <esac> ok
[08:57] <Seveas> _blake, you need the unixodbc package
[08:57] <esac> what is the proper way to restart gdm ? is there a "services gdm restart" command ?
[08:57] <wesley> people, please help i can install the skype
[08:57] <Bicchi> Is it better to install ubuntu then kubuntu or the other way around? Pros / Cons ?
[08:57] <deFrysk> esac, ctrl-alt-backspace
[08:57] <wesley> i've read the docs... but, i'm using gnome
[08:57] <boxerboy29> defrysk: is it safe to force that file?
[08:58] <wesley> and i always receave an error..
[08:58] <corvid> Bicchi: personally dont care for kde..
[08:58] <twibbler> deFrysk: looks like it worked ... rebooting now .... think I know what the problem was as well ... which is very worth mentioning ..
[08:58] <_blake> Seveas, I have it
[08:58] <deFrysk> boxerboy29, its an ad hoc solution its not a proper solution
[08:58] <Bicchi> corvid: well thats your opinion, but it does not answer the question.
[08:58] <_blake> Seveas, I compiled and installed it but something still isnt right
[08:58] <IcemanV9> pixman: i restarted epiphany 2x already .. nothing shows up in extension mgr dialog
[08:58] <boxerboy29> well im gonna try it worse that can happen is i have to reformat it
[08:59] <boxerboy29> i hope :(
[08:59] <Seveas> _blake, unixodbc is in the repositories, you should not compile it manually
[08:59] <_blake> Seveas, the program i am trying to install still doesnt see it
[08:59] <Seveas> installing it manually usually put's in the wrong place
[09:00] <Chii_chan> After installing ndiswrapper would I need to reboot linux to be able to use it?
[09:00] <pixman> IcemanV9, uh... epiphany-extensions is installedyou said, right?
[09:00] <boxerboy29> i think it worked the red light went away
[09:00] <IcemanV9> pixman: yes
[09:00] <_blake> Seveas, ok, i did apt-cache search odbc
[09:00] <_blake> ill give that a try
[09:00] <Mario___> Hi,hi, anyone need any help?
[09:00] <ompaul> esac I would do this : /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[09:00] <pixman> IcemanV9, do you use breezy badger?
[09:00] <ompaul> Mario___, they will ask when they do :)
[09:00] <pixman> or gnome 2.10?
[09:00] <IcemanV9> pixman: nope - hoary
[09:01] <Seveas> dennis@mirage ~ $ apt-file search libodbc.so.1
[09:01] <Seveas> unixodbc: usr/lib/libodbc.so.1
[09:01] <pixman> epiphany has the support only in  2.12
[09:01] <pixman> sorry =)
[09:01] <deFrysk> Mario___, dont ask to help, just help! ;p
[09:01] <Mario___> ok :p
[09:01] <wesley> how can i help me.. with skype isntalation
[09:01] <pixman> gnome 2.12 rocks big time
[09:01] <IcemanV9> pixman: interesting. ok.
[09:01] <pixman> it's so amazing ... even more fun than 2.10 and finally using cairo / glitz =)
[09:01] <_blake> Seveas, I am an idiot... nevermind
[09:02] <markuman> im on amd64 and want to creat x86 deb package. how to ./configure and make for x86
[09:02] <Absenth> _blake, since you said that you can't be an idiot.  Idiots would swear up and down their system was being wierd, and would never admit that they MAYBE did something wrong :)
[09:02] <DaSkreech> has anyone used http://packages.ubuntu.com?
[09:02] <tritium> yes, DaSkreech
[09:02] <deFrysk> Absenth, you mean the pebkac thing
[09:03] <DaSkreech> how can I tell which repositary a package is in?
[09:03] <twibbler> deFrysk: nope I t didn't boot the X server ...
[09:03] <tritium> DaSkreech: apt-cache policy is even easier
[09:03] <_blake> Absenth, did something wrong???  me???? never.....
[09:03] <DaSkreech> apt-cache policy _packagename_
[09:03] <Absenth> deFrysk, sort of.  most idiots refuse to admit they made a mistake.
[09:03] <dsas> .j #ubuntu-motu
[09:03] <tritium> yes, DaSkreech
[09:03] <Absenth> _blake, that's more like it..
[09:04] <deFrysk> twibbler, does xserver tell you what went wrong ?
[09:04] <DaSkreech> Will it return the repository even if you have no repository listed?
[09:04] <occy> my sound is now working.
[09:04] <occy> heh
[09:04] <occy> Somehow, it got turned off in the mixer tool.
[09:04] <occy> freakin' crazy
[09:04] <twibbler> deFrysk: I have the log open ...
[09:04] <occy> and that's just by rebooting
[09:04] <tritium> DaSkreech: what do you mean by "listed"?  On the command line, or in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[09:05] <cyphase> what's up with the firefox update and backports?
[09:05] <Absenth> anyone know how many ms lag you can have before telnet starts acting slow?
[09:05] <cyphase> it isn't working
[09:05] <deFrysk> something about mouse perhaps ? twibbler ?
[09:05] <DaSkreech> tritium: In the apt sources.list
[09:05] <tritium> DaSkreech: no, you need to have it listed
[09:06] <AndieB> I have a laptop, IBM Thinkpad on which I have installed Ubuntu Linux 5.04 Hedgehog. I have a slight question. When I choose "shutdown", the system takes the computer DOWN, but I never goes so far to really "power-off" so to speak. Anyone got an idea?
[09:06] <DaSkreech> tritium: That's not very helpful then
[09:06] <tritium> DaSkreech: why not put all the repos in yours sources.list?
[09:06] <DaSkreech> I have two packages that depend on packages that are not in my repository
[09:06] <twibbler> deFrysk: Fatal Server Error: could not opne default font ....
[09:06] <DaSkreech> tritium: I could but I'd have to do that every time I have this problem
[09:07] <Chii_chan> -i is for installing files, correct?
[09:07] <Absenth> AndieB, if/when this apt-get install finishes pulling down Kubuntu-desktop, I'll "shutdown" my gateway notebook and see if I have the same problem
[09:07] <DaSkreech> If the packages are monitored why can't http://packages.ubuntu.com list which repos they are in?
[09:07] <jori> were can i find a download of the wine package and the wine devel its not on the wine site ...
[09:07] <Absenth> AndieB, I suspect it has to do with a bios ACPI setting, but I'm definatly not an expert on the subject
[09:07] <DaSkreech> tritium: This is more a whine about the site than anything else :)
[09:08] <tritium> DaSkreech: no you wouldn't.  Leave them there.
[09:08] <DaSkreech> it takes forever to do an update :(
[09:08] <cyphase> How do I upgrade to Firefox 1.0.7 with backports enabled?
[09:08] <psusi> anyone ever used afs, coda, or some other network filesystem other than NFS or CIFS?
[09:08] <tritium> DaSkreech: then why not use ubotu's !info <packagename> <release> ?
[09:08] <deFrysk> twibbler, try sudo dpkd-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:08] <deFrysk> twibbler, and just run the defaults
[09:09] <deFrysk> twibbler, then sudo killall gdm
[09:09] <AndieB> Absenth: Well, when it was Windows XP installed on the laptop, it worked fine...
[09:09] <tritium> DaSkreech: which package?
[09:09] <deFrysk> twibbler, then sudo gdm
[09:09] <DaSkreech> !info libxine1c2 breezy
[09:09] <ubotu> libxine1c2: (the xine video/media player library, binary files), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-1ubuntu8 (breezy), Packaged size: 4243 kB, Installed size: 10372 kB
[09:09] <ui> !paste
[09:09] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[09:09] <DaSkreech> The repos is libs?
[09:09] <robzon> hmm is there a way to get flash running on a 64-bit system?
[09:09] <Absenth> AndieB, I know the shutdown feature works great in my XP install.  I'm just not sure how ubuntu hoary deals with it.  I figured I'd check it out and let you know.
[09:09] <Absenth> AndieB, I'm dual booting XP-Pro and Hoary currently.
[09:10] <AndieB> Absenth: I really thankfull!
[09:10] <twibbler> deFrysk: got it going in now ...
[09:10] <tritium> DaSkreech: main, if it does not specify
[09:10] <AndieB> Absenth: Ah, I just kicked out XP and running "pure" Ubuntu... :D
[09:10] <DaSkreech> Why can't I get it then?
[09:11] <cyphase> If i disable a repository, it won't uninstall the software of that repository, right?
[09:11] <Absenth> AndieB, I manage a Windows network.  There aren't many domain administration tools avalible on the linux side, short of installing a Samba server, joining it to the domain, and doing administration that way.
[09:11] <NsOmNiAc> right
[09:11] <wesley> neighborlee
[09:11] <ui> i got an error trying to upgrade firefox now i cant open firefox
[09:11] <DaSkreech> cyphase: Right
[09:11] <wesley> wich topic???
[09:11] <cyphase> i didn't think so
[09:11] <cyphase> that would be stupid :)
[09:11] <DaSkreech> cyphase: Which probably naswers my problem
[09:11] <cyphase> lol
[09:11] <Absenth> AndieB, at the same time, there are very few Good network analysis tools that are free or cheep for windows:)
[09:11] <cyphase> ui, same here
[09:11] <cyphase> i'm trying to fix it now
[09:12] <Bicchi> when is the patch for firefox going to be put on ubuntu?
[09:12] <AndieB> Absenth: Ah, I get it. But isn't it possible to just administer the Domain via a LDAP tool that is available on the Linux?
[09:12] <Absenth> AndieB, it is.
[09:12] <Sam3773> I'm baaaaack.
[09:13] <Sam3773> Anywho. Reinstalling Hoary and have 3 (EE) errors on initial boot.
[09:13] <Absenth> AndieB, I just haven't had the time to figure out how to get openLDAP working correctly.
[09:13] <AndieB> Absenth: Ah, I C... :D
[09:13] <boxerboy29> :) the updates gave better desktop options
[09:13] <ompaul> Sam3773, paste your dmesg output into paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:13] <Absenth> I just want to know how to change the background between the GDM login, and the Desktop
[09:14] <Mudchains> what is the standart root pw after a install?
[09:14] <ompaul> !tell Mudchains about root
[09:14] <Absenth> it's brown, and boring.   would that be a gnome "splash screen" from art.gnome.org?
[09:14] <deFrysk> !tell Mudchains about sudo
[09:14] <ompaul> Mudchains, there is none see the message from ubotu
[09:14] <Mudchains> hmm
[09:14] <Mudchains> but when I wanna do root shell
[09:14] <ui> !ping
[09:14] <ubotu> Keep your fingers to yourself, ui.
[09:14] <seatouch> !tell me about sudo
[09:14] <Mudchains> I need to fill root password
[09:15] <ompaul> Mudchains, no it is your password
[09:15] <deFrysk> Mudchains, just read it ok ?
[09:15] <ompaul> Mudchains, welcome to sudo land
[09:15] <wesley> people.. culd you help me with skype isntallation
[09:15] <Absenth> ok BRB, AndieB I'll let you know how the "shutdown" goes on my Centrino based Gateway
[09:15] <Mario___> sure wesley, what you need?
[09:15] <ui> firefox doesnt work :(
[09:15] <Sam3773> What's the Ubuntu hoary default root password?
[09:15] <Mario___> new beta version ui??
[09:15] <Sam3773> toor?
[09:15] <ui> i was uograding
[09:15] <cyphase> Mario__, the 1.0.7 upgrade
[09:15] <cyphase> with backports enabled
[09:16] <Mario___> I am currently using Firefox 1.5 Beta and it works perfectly
[09:16] <AndieB> Absenth: Do you know where I can find the "boot up" script for Linux, like the old fashioned Windows 95 autoexec.bat? So I can manage what DAEMONs to autostart when powering up my linux box?
[09:16] <ui> but i got an error
[09:16] <Mario___> try to upgrade to 1.5 if its not a problem to you
[09:16] <ui> upograding
[09:16] <ui> now i cant open it
[09:16] <funkyHat> how does one boot to a CD on an eMac with a windows keyboard?
[09:16] <Mario___> :/
[09:16] <Mario___> just try do download a 1.5 beta version from mozilla's page :/
[09:16] <Mudchains> ah ok I have read it now
[09:16] <Mudchains> ok
[09:16] <funkyHat> *boot from
[09:16] <bystander> !tell AndieB about bum
[09:16] <roitto> hi
[09:17] <ui> i would paste the error but i cant paste it T.T
[09:17] <Mario___> hi rroito
[09:17] <Mario___> :/
[09:17] <ui> but i cant get into the mozilla page
[09:18] <deFrysk> ui, just use the ubuntu packages
[09:18] <deFrysk> they work fine and are supported here
[09:18] <cyphase> deFrysk, the update breaks backports
[09:18] <cyphase> then you get stuck
[09:18] <Mario___> ui, do you have any IM messenger??
[09:18] <twibbler> deFrysk: wont boot know past checking battery state ... guess I need to reinstall from iso image ?.
[09:18] <Mario___> I'll send you :/
[09:18] <cyphase> ui, use epiphany to get into mozilla.org
[09:18] <deFrysk> cyphase, backoprts brakes more that=n just that, dont use backports
[09:19] <Absenth> AndieB, Went down like a champ in my case
[09:19] <cyphase> or whatever other browser
[09:19] <ui> im using opera
[09:19] <ui> thanks
[09:19] <Chii_chan> I need the drivers to get my wireless built in lan card to work, would I be safer getting them from my windows xp directory/partition?
[09:19] <ui> :D
[09:19] <Absenth> wow, that sounded bad.
[09:19] <Chii_chan> or should I attempt to download them
[09:20] <funkyHat> how does one boot from a CD on an eMac with a windows keyboard?
[09:20] <Sam3773> Does consol have a text editor that i can use if i cant get to X-Window?
[09:20] <Sam3773> console*
[09:20] <Absenth> funkyHat, hold C on the keyboard before the beep.
[09:20] <funkyHat> nano
[09:20] <funkyHat> thanks
[09:20] <Sam3773> Cheers
[09:20] <deFrysk> !tell Mudchains about apt-get
[09:20] <prabu^> anyone got Tomcat 5.0.28 + MySQL working ?
[09:20] <deFrysk> !tell Mudchains about synaptic
[09:21] <DaSkreech> !tell DaSkreech about apt-get
[09:21] <Absenth> funkyHat, I assume an e-mac is similar to my 12" ibook anyway.
[09:21] <funkyHat> probably :)
[09:21] <Mudchains> ke thanx :+
[09:24] <Sam3773> '(WW) NVIDIA: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:2:10:0) found' Anyone know anything about that?
[09:25] <seatouch> anyone on?
[09:25] <kemik> !anyone
[09:25] <ubotu> I guess anyone is 90% of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and YOU decide? <hint>
[09:25] <seatouch> hehe
[09:25] <seatouch> :p
[09:26] <Absenth> ubotu, Bots with attitude.....  I love it.  :)
[09:26] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Absenth
[09:26] <DaSkreech> I don;t know. Does anyone agree?
[09:26] <seatouch> well can anyone tell if i have ntfs partions will they be read by the ubuntu
[09:26] <psusi> is there a better network filesystem than nfs or cifs?
[09:26] <kemik> that works yes
[09:26] <kemik> reading=yes, writing=not without hassle
[09:26] <psusi> seatouch: yes... ubuntu can read ntfs
[09:26] <kemik> !ntfs
[09:27] <kemik> !tell seatouch about ntfs
[09:27] <KrLoS> hi peolpe
[09:27] <KrLoS> there are some body closed to mako
[09:27] <kemik> psusi:  noone worked on it i guess? ;)
[09:27] <KrLoS> please
[09:27] <Absenth> seatouch, there are a couple of packages that allow you to write to NTFS, however last time I checked most were pretty particular about kernel versions.
[09:27] <Sam3773> Whats the command to configure xorg again? :D
[09:27] <cyphase> ui, i fixed it
[09:28] <psusi> ummm... isn't it as simple as compiling the kernel/module with write support enabled?
[09:28] <bystander> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:28] <Sam3773> Cheers
[09:28] <moparfan90> hello all
[09:29] <bystander> psusi, thank the nice folks in Redmond for not releasing their specs of ntfs
[09:29] <dsas> psusi: it's mostly undocumented...
[09:29] <psusi> it's been figured out
[09:30] <Chii_chan> I need the drivers to get my wireless built in lan card to work, would I be safer getting them from my windows xp directory, or should I get them off of the web?
[09:30] <psusi> you can read all about it
[09:30] <KrLoS> hi
[09:30] <Sam3773> WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[09:30] <Chii_chan> ?
[09:30] <Sam3773> I have X-window working. I love you all.
[09:30] <ui> cyphase: how did you fixed?
[09:30] <psusi> Helen Custer gave a good overview in her book 10 years ago... then the guys who made the ntfs driver for linux just had to figure out the details
[09:30] <Sam3773> No more 'No screens found' Errors :D
[09:30] <cyphase> ui, you have to uninstall both firefox's
[09:31] <cyphase> 'firefox', 'firefox-gnome-support', 'mozilla-firefox', 'mozilla-firefox-gnome-support'
[09:31] <ui> cyphase : gonna try
[09:31] <cyphase> i disabled backports, but i don't think you need to
[09:31] <cyphase> try without disabling it first
[09:31] <Absenth> I just want to know why firefox has the Prefs, under Edit in linux, and Under Tools in Windows
[09:32] <Chii_chan> o.o I think linux runs better on laptops than does xp, lol
[09:32] <cyphase> yep, ui, it's loding
[09:32] <cyphase> loading*
[09:32] <moparfan90> is there a package for svu?
[09:32] <gearry> I have some general questions about lvm
[09:33] <wesley> Mario__, please, i have a big problem
[09:33] <gearry> I created 1 large lvm group
[09:33] <mk4evr> hi @LL;-)
[09:33] <Sam3773> Ahhh when Vista comes out i think Ubuntu will be my main OS :D
[09:33] <Sam3773> Cheers for all your help! Bye!
[09:33] <gearry> and then created various logical volumes
[09:33] <wesley> i 'm a newbie on unbuntu
[09:33] <Absenth> Chii_chan, I have mixed views.  I don't think linux takes advatage of all the power saving features my Pentium-M has avalible.
[09:33] <gearry> thinking I would put 1 partition on each lv
[09:33] <wesley> and now.. i need so much install the skype...
[09:33] <gearry> is that they way I should do it?
[09:33] <wesley> i've read many docs..
[09:33] <ompaul> gearry, putting it all on one line makes it easy to follow, (not that I know anything about lvm but what your doing is hard to follow)
[09:34] <wesley> but even know i cant to do it..
[09:34] <wesley> HELP ME PLEASE...
[09:34] <wesley> :-)
[09:34] <Absenth> Chii_chan,  on the otherhand, it's faster, and works pretty well out of the box unlike XP, which required I jump through flaming hoops over the chasim of doom to get working correclty.
[09:34] <jcohen85> since upgrading to firefox 1.0.7 i'm seeing a large grey bar under the status bar (perhaps 4-5x the height of the status bar) with a red arrow on the left side. I can't get rid of it. I've restared firefox, got rid of the status bar, and even purged & reinstalled firefox. Any idea what's causing this?
[09:34] <puff> Ah, hm.
[09:34] <puff> Well, a fresh hoary install.
[09:34] <jcohen85> this is in breezy btw and i also use 1.5 beta 1 which i have installed in my home directory
[09:34] <luckyaba> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:34] <luckyaba>  /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0.7-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb
[09:34] <luckyaba>  /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox-gnome-support_1.0.7-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb
[09:34] <Cryptid> Any body  here Using Gdesklet,,, do u find it useful or can you suggest a better software than Gdesklets
[09:35] <puff> And it's back to thinking I only have 1GB of memory.
[09:35] <gearry> ok, so basically should I have a 1:1 mapping between logical volumes and partitions within a group?
[09:35] <luckyaba> anyone know why thats happening
[09:36] <ui> cyphase : i cant intall firefox
[09:36] <ui> how did you install it?
[09:36] <Belutz> wesley: you could read this http://www.skype.com/products/skype/linux/repositories.html
[09:36] <wesley> i did it.. the problem is when i try to get it..
[09:36] <wesley> i receave a msg
[09:36] <wesley> saying that a need a lib.. but i've installed this one..
[09:37] <moparfan90> is there a package for SVU??
[09:37] <Belutz> wesley: wait, let me try it
[09:37] <Belutz> !info svu
[09:37] <wesley> i can feel that this lib is for kde and i 'm using the gnome
[09:37] <wesley> OK thnks
[09:37] <cyphase> ui, how did you do it?
[09:37] <ompaul> wesley, do this as part of the skype process:>>sudo apt-get install libqt3-mt<< when done let me know
[09:37] <Belutz> moparfan90: i dont think there's one
[09:37] <luckyaba> firefox wont open after i updated some stuff
[09:37] <puff> How do I disable the alt/ctrl intercepts in eterm?
[09:38] <Belutz> wesley: do what ompaul just told you
[09:38] <luckyaba> and it wont update gnome-firefox-support or mozilla-firefox
[09:38] <wesley> ??? how? i'm so sorry my english is so bad
[09:38] <ouroboros> Still need help, almost a week later.
[09:38] <ouroboros> ATI All in Wonder Pro - wish to get direct rendering enabled.
[09:38] <ui> cyphase : sudo apt-get install firefox
[09:38] <cyphase> no
[09:38] <cyphase> mozilla-firefox
[09:38] <Belutz> wesley: open a terminal, and type sudo apt-get libqt3-mt
[09:39] <ouroboros> Right, cyphase.
[09:39] <wesley> i've did it
[09:39] <ompaul> wesley, click on applications - accessories - teminal
[09:39] <wesley> and after.. i receave the same msg..
[09:39] <ompaul> wesley, what message
[09:39] <wesley> ok i'll do it right now
[09:39] <Absenth> what's the syntax to install .deb files again
[09:39] <Belutz> Absenth: dpkg -i
[09:40] <wesley> that this packge is missig this libqt
[09:40] <wesley> but i'm sure that i've installed it
[09:40] <moparfan90> oooo
[09:40] <ouroboros> Ubuntu Hoary - ATI All in Wonder Pro PCI video - I want to get direct rendering enabled / Cedega to recognize this. Any input is appreciated.
[09:40] <wesley> it is so strange
[09:40] <Absenth> Belutz, why can't I ever remember that
[09:40] <Absenth> Belutz, danke.
[09:40] <ompaul> wesley, stop wait please
[09:40] <Belutz> Absenth: you're welcome :)
[09:40] <ouroboros> AMD64 to add. 64-bit Ubuntu Hoary.
[09:40] <puff> Okay, so I've just installed hoary, any recommendations on stuff I should install or change?
[09:40] <khermans> When is the official Breezy launch date?
[09:40] <Absenth> khermans, oct 13
[09:40] <Belutz> khermans: october 13th
[09:41] <khermans> ahh, ok
[09:41] <wesley> ok
[09:41] <NsOmNiAc> yeahh what they said
[09:41] <ompaul> wesley, please do this in that terminal>> sudo apt-get udpate <<
[09:41] <ui> cyphase : thank you its working now
[09:41] <Absenth> khermans, I only knew that because someone told me that earlier.
[09:41] <ui> :D
[09:41] <sg> has anyone else observed today that x-common won't upgrade today due to fonts-base?
[09:41] <puff> Hm, just tried to install emacs21, it wants the hoary CDROM.
[09:41] <ouroboros> puff : www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:41] <cyphase> ui, np
[09:41] <Absenth> sg, someone complained about x, and fonts on breezy earlier
[09:41] <khermans> will the ISO beavaiable before that?  is there a week of pre-testing?
[09:41] <ompaul> !ubuntuguide
[09:41] <ubotu> rumour has it, ubuntuguide is out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide will soon be the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[09:42] <morale> !faq
[09:42] <ubotu> hmm... faq is The Ubuntu FAQ Guide: select System -> Help (in Breezy)
[09:42] <Jhair> quit
[09:42] <twibbler> deFrysk: been through thrice now and still failing to sart x server ?... me guess Im doing something wrong ..
[09:42] <ouroboros> How about a real guide for Hoary, since Breezy is still underdeveloped.
[09:42] <deFrysk> twibbler, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop
[09:42] <twibbler> deFrysk: both done ...
[09:42] <deFrysk> twibbler, to make sure you have everything
[09:42] <morale> ouroboros, it works fine on amd64 - i have an ati videocard with dri working
[09:43] <Absenth> ls
[09:43] <Absenth> bah...  :)
[09:43] <morale> some applications you need to build by hand such as firefox which i found it crashes on amd64 with 32-bit emulation lots.
[09:43] <ouroboros> morale, I see it in the list of devices, ATI All in Wonder Pro is there...but Cedega doesn't specify it as the video card when installing simple things like Ultima 9
[09:43] <sg> Absenth, thanks
[09:43] <Absenth> BTW, I officially hate linux now.
[09:43] <ouroboros> morale, I have a firefox64 solution
[09:43] <ouroboros> morale - it's somewhere on ubuntuforums.org
[09:43] <morale> whats the firefox64 solution?
[09:43] <ompaul> puff >>sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list<< then press a single  >>#<< key on the top line then CTRL+o and CTRL+X then >>sudo apt-get update<< and away you go
[09:43] <morale> ah
[09:44] <ouroboros> morale - I believe you search for firefox 64 like that.
[09:44] <Absenth> I'm no longer able to work the command line on any of my windows servers without typing the wrong command at least once each time I open the command prompt.
[09:44] <ouroboros> morale - about your ATI, you use Cedega?
[09:44] <oO[NOVA] Oo> Absenth: i know the feeling
[09:44] <ompaul> ouroboros, what you do is look up the wiki.ubuntu.com it is very comprehensive
[09:44] <Absenth> if I was smart I'd just alias ls to dir, cp to copy, mv to move etc.
[09:44] <oO[NOVA] Oo> Absenth: i even resorted to creating ls.bat and l.bat to do dir for me
[09:44] <nalioth> Absenth: you need the cerebral interface device, so it knows what you mean, no matter what you type
[09:44] <ouroboros> ompaul - that's for hoary guide?
[09:44] <twibbler> deFrysk: error is still cannot find default font ... is it im using GB .... should I try us ?...
[09:44] <morale> ouroboros, i haven't used cedega winex yet. i use just plain X.. i don't do much gaming.. dri and xv extensions work fine so i can watch video and stuff
[09:44] <oO[NOVA] Oo> nalioth: i bet that's a package you can download, too
[09:44] <ompaul> ouroboros, it is the official help
[09:45] <Absenth> nalioth, That's a feature in the OS after Vista I hear....  :P
[09:45] <ouroboros> thanks ompaul, cheers
[09:45] <ouroboros> morale - chances are then, it's just some config I have to do with Cedega, I wish I knew more about it
[09:45] <oO[NOVA] Oo> Absenth: "move file" remove file? "no!" yes.
[09:45] <msg43> Hi
[09:45] <msg43> does the ubutnu live cd have qtparted?
[09:45] <morale> ouroboros, i'll see what i can figure out.. i used to play with winex all the time.
[09:45] <khermans> gtparted i think
[09:46] <Absenth> oO[NOVA] Oo, heh,
[09:46] <ompaul> Mudchains|gone, you don't need to do that - just leave it dude if 482 did that well then you would have a lot more noise
[09:46] <Absenth> oO[NOVA] Oo, I seem to do an ok job of killing files by accident anyway :)
[09:46] <ouroboros> that's cool morale, AIM is at The All is One if you want to find anything, I have to get back to work unfortunatly
[09:46] <khermans> ANyone notice that the NTFS auto-resize in Breezy installer is broken?
[09:47] <khermans> is this a widely known bug?
[09:47] <puff> ompaul: Ah, you mean comment out the first line in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[09:47] <ompaul> puff, I do
[09:47] <ouroboros> rephrase morale, if you find anything...i'm VNC'ing, slow sometimes
[09:47] <ompaul> puff, I don't know if a person knows a from z so maybe a little too much detail there :)
[09:48] <puff> ompaul: That's cool... just for reference, I'm pretty experienced as a unix/linux end-user, less so as a sysadmin.
[09:49] <ompaul> puff, well I took that from your last comment :)
[09:49] <twibbler> deFrysk: ok getting well to late here going home ... thank you for your help ... Ill resolve the rest Sunday I hope ...
[09:49] <deFrysk> twibbler, good luck
[09:50] <puff> I'm still trying to figure out how to get gnome terminal and emacs to play nicely with each other.
[09:50] <ompaul> puff, I have had a person repair config files using vi :-)
[09:50] <puff> Er, emacs on a remote system via ssh window inside gnome.
[09:50] <puff> I can't even seem to figure out good google key words...
[09:51] <Absenth> puff vi > emacs :)
[09:51] <wesley> ompaul.. i did it..
[09:51] <ompaul> puff, >ssh -C username@otherbox<  the -C is a nice compressor then emacs and away you go unless you want to export X and then I am not the person to help you there I have done it once in the 10 years about 3 years ago cos I had to ...
[09:52] <puff> Absenth: vi vi vi == 666, clearly vi is The Editor Of The Beast.
[09:52] <Absenth> puff all the more reason to use it :)
[09:52] <Seveas> puff, you mean the editor of the best :)
[09:52] <ompaul> wesley, now try >>sudo apt-get install libqt3-mt<<
[09:52] <puff> ompaul: The main problem is gnome terminal on thix box keeps grabbing alt/ctrl keys.
[09:52] <oO[NOVA] Oo> puff: judging by the state of my room, that is accurate.
[09:52] <Belutz> why vi is so good? i never use vi
[09:52] <ompaul> puff try an xterm?>
[09:53] <JosephB> Is there any reason my system architecture is listed as i486 for an AMD K6-2? The processor is pentium class. Would it hurt anything to change it to i586?
[09:53] <puff> ompaul: Dang,I know I figured out how to disable this once... I even have it in my notes, but I don't have *how* I disabled it :-).
[09:53] <ompaul> Belutz, its what old people learnt in the last century
[09:53] <puff> I remember it wasn't in the "Edit profile" screen, for some weird reason.
[09:53] <ompaul> puff let me finish with wesley and then I'll give it a look
[09:54] <Chii_chan> brb >.<
[09:54] <puff> Belutz vi is one of the oldest editors, it's found on pretty much every unix installation by default, the binary is faiarly small, and ltos of people learned on it and got stuck on it.
[09:54] <ompaul> puff, most of what I do is 'good research' :)
[09:54] <Belutz> i see
[09:54] <puff> Belutz: It also is a very "modal" editor - you're either in editing mode or command mode.  Some people love this.  Sane people hate it :-).
[09:54] <ompaul> puff, you forgot to tell Belutz we got stuck on it because its cool :)
[09:55] <puff> Emacs is lisp-based, is insanely powerful, insanely complex.
[09:55] <wesley> and tehn..
[09:55] <wesley> ampaul.. i did.. it and thing..
[09:55] <wesley> :(
[09:55] <Absenth> puff, Belutz, I only said Vi > Emacs because for whatever reason VI people HATE emacs, and EMACS people HATE vi.
[09:55] <oO[NOVA] Oo> i must leave you because.... because.
[09:55] <puff> Emacs is also very large, both in disk and in memory consumption.
[09:55] <Belutz> well then i think i should read vi 101
[09:55] <puff> Absenth: No, it's just another geek holy war.
[09:55] <bystander> !start an editor war
[09:55] <ubotu> ed is better than emacs
[09:55] <Absenth> ED RULES!!!!!
[09:56] <ompaul> wesley, you did it and it was okay? yes or no if no I want you paste the output of apt-get into paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:56] <bystander> !ed
[09:56] <ubotu> ed is the standard editor! ed, man! man ed!
[09:56] <Belutz> what's ed ?
[09:56] <ompaul> !vi
[09:56] <ubotu> ompaul: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[09:56] <puff> I remember ed!
[09:56] <deFrysk> !nano
[09:56] <psusi> erectile disfunction?
[09:56] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, deFrysk
[09:56] <psusi> hehehe
[09:56] <Belutz> !pico
[09:56] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, Belutz
[09:56] <deFrysk> ! nano
[09:56] <ubotu> deFrysk: Are you on ritalin?
[09:56] <ompaul> okay stop playing with the bot
[09:56] <Belutz> !info pico
[09:56] <nalioth> you sill boys, treat the bot right
[09:56] <nalioth> silly silly
[09:56] <ompaul> Belutz, stop you know you can /msg the bot
[09:56] <Absenth> nano = = pico
[09:56] <deFrysk> !botsnack
[09:57] <ubotu> :)
[09:57] <Seveas> next to play with the bot gets a ban
[09:57] <nalioth> where is the bot?
[09:57] <Belutz> yup, sorry ompaul
[09:57] <bystander> Belutz, pico is non-free and not in ubuntu - there is a symlink from nano to pico
[09:57] <nalioth> ubotu doesnt live in houston does he?
[09:57] <ubotu> nalioth: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[09:57] <Belutz> bystander: i see...
[09:57] <Absenth> pico isn't free?  I thought it was part of pine.
[09:57] <nalioth> guess not
[09:57] <tristanmike> I'm having troubles updating Firefox today can anyone help me please?
[09:57] <Seveas> Absenth, pine isn't free either
[09:57] <Absenth> although I guess I never checked to see if pine was in ubuntu
[09:57] <JosephB> Belutz: yeah, nano is a pico clone, and it works just as well
[09:57] <axl> Anybody having problems with udev in breezy recently? (recently like in the latest hour, downloaded the latest fix for the problem yesterday)
[09:58] <deFrysk> tristanmike, from the ubuntu repositorie ?
[09:58] <Absenth> Seveas, what license do they use for pine?
[09:58] <tristanmike> deFrysk, yes, I suppose so, the update that came today
[09:58] <puff> ompaul: Doh!  It's Edit/Keyboard Shortcuts, right below Edit/Profile.
[09:58] <Seveas> stupid university license
[09:58] <wesley> how?
[09:58] <deFrysk> tristanmike, it works fine here
[09:58] <Belutz> my update for firefox 1.0.7 runs fine
[09:59] <tristanmike> It says: "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0.7-0ubuntu0.1_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/var/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions.d/00classic', which is also in package firefox"
[09:59] <deFrysk> tristanmike, whas the old one from backports ?
[09:59] <AndieB> Gotta go to bed!
[09:59] <Absenth> Seveas, so it's perfectly legal and free to install and use pine/pico after the fact, but without putting a bunch of notices in the ubuntu installer, they can't be included. is that what I'm getting for the U-Washington site?
[09:59] <Seveas> tristanmike, stop using crappy backports
[09:59] <AndieB> Cya!
[09:59] <tristanmike> :(
[09:59] <Seveas> remove the package 'firefox', kill all backports and install the ubdated mozilla-firefox
[09:59] <tristanmike> Seveas I just did what I was told to do on the Forums, nothing else
[09:59] <wesley> Os pacotes a seguir tm dependncias desencontradas:
[09:59] <wesley>   skype: Depende: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3.2) mas 3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3 est para ser instalado
[09:59] <wesley> E: Pacotes quebrados
[10:00] <Seveas> updated even
[10:00] <Seveas> tristanmike, the forums are filled with idiots...
[10:00] <wesley> i have this message
[10:00] <tristanmike> Seveas, lol
[10:00] <Seveas> (ok, there are smart people to, but they're a minority)
[10:00] <bystander> tristanmike, youu just learnt something about the forums
[10:00] <ompaul> wesley, I asked you to paste into paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:00] <deFrysk> we need a #ubuntu-idiots
[10:00] <tristanmike> even the "gurus"?
[10:00] <Chousuke> oh gods.
[10:00] <Chousuke> Idiot concentrate.
[10:00] <wesley> ow.. sorry
[10:01] <deFrysk> tristanmike, someone calling himself a guru must be dillusional
[10:01] <Chousuke> wesley: English, please.
[10:01] <Absenth> deFrysk, if there was an Ubuntu_Idiots channel I'd have to be there.
[10:01] <Beryllium> if I do apt-get install cvs, will that hork synaptic-packagemanager or whatever it is?
[10:01] <ompaul> wesley, and that is not what I asked for
[10:01] <Seveas> deFrysk, so true...
[10:01] <Knelix> Hello guys.
[10:01] <spstarr_work> axl
[10:01] <ompaul> wesley, you do what your asked please or there is no point in me trying
[10:01] <Seveas> self-proclaimed gurus are usually the worst
[10:01] <tristanmike> deFrysk, they didn't call themselves, but the mods and admins I mean
[10:01] <Knelix> More questions for you...
[10:01] <spstarr_work> axl: what kernel / udev version i had this problem too
[10:01] <deFrysk> tristanmike, who appointed them ?
[10:01] <Seveas> tristanmike, the mods and admins are not the smartest per se
[10:01] <Seveas> just the most active
[10:01] <Seveas> like in here :)O
[10:02] <ompaul> Seveas, yeap I would agree with that I should be number one idiot :)
[10:02] <Chousuke> Hehe. :P
[10:02] <deFrysk> idiots tend to be very active :D
[10:02] <tristanmike> ok, so my system is flubbed now, so where do I go from here :P
[10:02] <axl> spstarr_work: prvmess me
[10:02] <Beryllium> tristanmike: Windows.
[10:02] <JosephB> Is there any harm in changing my system architecture to i586 for a AMD K6-2? Ubuntu installer defaulted to i486
[10:02] <Knelix> How do I enable the "universe" section of the repository?
[10:02] <tristanmike> BOOOOOOO!
[10:02] <deFrysk> Beryllium, lol
[10:02] <Beryllium> actually, i should have said OS X
[10:02] <Seveas> tristanmike, apt-show-versions | grep ubp | xargs aptitude remove
[10:02] <Absenth> Beryllium, I love it.
[10:02] <nalioth> !tell Knelix about sources
[10:02] <Seveas> disable backports
[10:02] <Seveas> reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[10:02] <Seveas> and ou're good to go
[10:02] <Absenth> Beryllium, although I think Lindows might be a better option :)
[10:02] <Chousuke> Aieh.
[10:03] <Absenth> Beryllium, then you can pay for "freeish" software.
[10:03] <Knelix> nalioth: Thanks. ;-)
[10:03] <test34> I just updated ubuntu (breezy) and it seems like it has a problem with the fonts.. now I xorg (gdm) wont open on boot.. anybody else got that problem or know how to fix it? if I try to uninstall the fonts to reinstall them, it want to uninstall pretty much everything because I guess everything depends on it
[10:03] <ompaul> wesley, now try >>sudo apt-get install libqt3-mt<<  IF that works great say so, if not PASTE in http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:03] <Chousuke> BTW, I want to tell you something.
[10:03] <deFrysk> tristanmike, and warn everybody about idiots, their links and their repo's
[10:03] <tristanmike> Seveas, I get errors with that command
[10:03] <Chousuke> I went against my principles today and regged my nickname.
[10:03] <Chousuke> I hope you can appreciate it :(
[10:03] <wesley> OK
[10:03] <wesley> let mt try
[10:03] <Slarti-> just moved to ubuntu from mandrake and have to say that my mandrakeclub subscription is getting cancelled
[10:03] <Seveas> tristanmike, then you need to do it manually :)
[10:04] <stpere> Slarti-, welcome!
[10:04] <tristanmike> ahhh crap!
[10:04] <Slarti-> used mandrake since 7.1
[10:04] <JosephB> test34: i did 'sudo aptitude update' and 'sudo aptitude dist-upgrade' from the command line several days ago and it fixed that problem
[10:04] <jason_> !tell
[10:04] <test34> JosephB, thanks I will try that
[10:04] <tristanmike> ahh, this is crap, now firefox doesn't even start
[10:04] <luckyaba> how is it that i can run firefox as root but not as a user
[10:04] <deFrysk> Slarti-, time to meve to a better place then
[10:04] <deFrysk> move*
[10:04] <Slarti-> might even bump my slackbox over
[10:04] <Seveas> Slarti-, welcome to the ubuntu club :)
[10:05] <deFrysk> ubutnu-club is free btw :)
[10:05] <ompaul> Slarti-, three weeks of this and you will be hooked
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[10:05] <elad`> I need to watch a tif file with more than one page. What program should I use?
[10:05] <Belutz> luckyaba: try to killall firefox-bin and re-run firefox
[10:05] <wesley> i cant accessthis addres.. but i receaved the same error msg
[10:05] <JosephB> test34: it will also help you to 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' right after you've done the dist-upgrade
[10:05] <puff> Okay, so I got that fixed, and I guess my next step is to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and a) uncomment the  universe lines and b) paste in the multiverse lines.
[10:05] <ompaul> wesley, message me
[10:05] <wesley> ok
[10:06] <Slarti-> apart from the quantum install procedure for my nvidia video card and chipset it's been plain sailing compared to the latest mandrake(driva) distros
[10:06] <luckyaba> Belutz: thanks that worked.. lol
[10:06] <borgista> Hell. Is this the place to direct questions about Breezy?
[10:06] <Belutz> luckyaba: :D
[10:06] <test34> JosephB, why ? it overwrites xorg.conf ?
[10:06] <Absenth> Slarti-, I never went the mandrake/drivea route, but Ubuntu stole me from the RHL way of doing things.
[10:06] <apokryphos> borgista: sure
[10:06] <ompaul> borgista, is there a user here called hell?
[10:06] <deFrysk> borgista, this is hell yes
[10:06] <borgista> Hello*
[10:06] <Absenth> Slarti-,  last one I used was a beta of Forsaken Core 3
[10:07] <ompaul> borgista, ahhhhhh
[10:07] <Slarti-> mandrake has tried to go too noob friendly
[10:07] <deFrysk> hello hell
[10:07] <Slarti-> and botched it
[10:07] <JosephB> test34: yes, it gives you a nice clean conf file after the upgrades are installed.
[10:07] <ompaul> borgista, hello yourself :)
[10:07] <puff> Oh, and uncomment the security lines in /etc/apt/sources.list.
[10:07] <Belutz> is there a #breezy channel?
[10:07] <JosephB> test34: but try without first.
[10:07] <Slarti-> like a little bit of meat in my distro atleasy
[10:07] <Slarti-> least*
[10:07] <deFrysk> Belutz, nope
[10:07] <borgista> Ok. Does a breezy preview install usually freeze while installing ttf-bengali-fonts?
[10:07] <borgista> Last time it froze trying to install CUPS.
[10:07] <Seveas> no
[10:07] <Slarti-> mine bombed out at 55%
[10:08] <deFrysk> Belutz, all windows are closed here, not breezy
[10:08] <Slarti-> still booted
[10:08] <borgista> Mine has frozen @ 54%.
[10:08] <Slarti-> sorted out the missing packages afterwards
[10:08] <Belutz> :D
[10:08] <Absenth> Slarti-, the only REALLY noob friendly linux I've seen/tried is Linspire.  I'd feel good installing that for my grandma.  It's likely easier then OSx, although they charge for their Synaptic like service. :/
[10:08] <Slarti-> runs sweet now
[10:08] <puff> Hm, when I plug my usb drive in, it pops up in the GUI, but how do I see it at the shell level?
[10:08] <puff> Do I have to explicitly mount it somehwere?
[10:08] <borgista> I will just reboot that box then, and hope it boots.
[10:08] <Seveas> Absenth, linspire is a spawn of the devil himself...
[10:08] <Belutz> puff: ls /media
[10:09] <Absenth> Seveas, it is, but that doesn't make it any less EASY to use.
[10:09] <test34> Seveas, why is that? (I never tried linspire)
[10:09] <borgista> Do most folks have success with the Breezy-Preview CD-install?
[10:09] <Belutz> puff: there should be a new made directory for that usb drive
[10:09] <apokryphos> test34: default account is root account, many other things
[10:09] <GoRoDeK> ttp://www.rafb.net/paste/results/mO5EDZ48.html anyone knows how to handle this kind of upgrade problem? x-common_1.06 -> x-common_1.08
[10:09] <Absenth> test34, if you ever get to see it installed it just FEELS dirty.
[10:09] <ompaul> test34, if he told you he'd have to kill you
[10:09] <Seveas> Absenth, it's also very easy to screw up
[10:09] <Slarti-> take all the worst bits of linux and mix it with the worst bits of windows and sprinkling of macos and you get linspire
[10:09] <test34> hehe, ok
[10:09] <Seveas> running everything as root...
[10:09] <puff> Belutz: Thanks.
[10:09] <Absenth> Seveas, much like windows :)
[10:10] <test34> just like windows
[10:10] <JosephB> ....sounds extremely nasty
[10:10] <Belutz> puff: :)
[10:10] <Seveas> Slarti-, *g* http://ubuntulinux.nl/quotes?maxid=4
[10:10] <test34> JosephB, no errors now, hopefully it works
[10:10] <ompaul> is it can we leave there, in front of the children
[10:10] <Slarti-> it's like windows without the software, or linux without the security
[10:10] <apokryphos> test34: Linspire was formerly Lindows
[10:10] <bystander> afaik Linspire also has no man pages ( at least it didn't a couple of years ago)
[10:10] <JosephB> test34: startx and let me know :)
[10:10] <ompaul> you can apt-get stuff for it but would you
[10:11] <ompaul> ohh dear that I know that
[10:11] <puff> I'm keeping a journal of all of this, by the way.  Hopefully I'll find time to write it up as a tutorial.
[10:11] <tristanmike> Seveas, now my firefox doesn't start at all
[10:11] <deFrysk> linspire has that pay-and click right ?
[10:11] <Absenth> Man pages?  We don't need no stinking man pages.
[10:11] <jason_> hey anyone recommend an irc client other than xchat?
[10:11] <Absenth> deFrysk, yes basically
[10:11] <tristanmike> everyday it's something else, some little problem that I spend half the day trying to resolve
[10:11] <deFrysk> jason_, nope, never
[10:12] <puff> jason_: I use emacs erc :-)
[10:12] <Absenth> jason_, BitchX, Gaim,
[10:12] <test34> JosephB, I reboot.. If I try gdm, or startx I still get errors..
[10:12] <Seveas> tristanmike, your own fault
[10:12] <jason_> alright thanks i'll give those a try
[10:12] <Seveas> that's what you get for using backports
[10:12] <jason_> i think I just need to mess with the look of xhcat a bit
[10:12] <deFrysk> jason_, try gnome-xchat
[10:12] <tristanmike> Seveas, I don't know what I'm doing, I just did what I was told when I installed Ubuntu
[10:12] <Absenth> Sevas, are backports Backports >,=< linspire?
[10:12] <deFrysk> perhaps you like it better
[10:13] <tristanmike> Seveas, it's not my fault I have bad advice, please be nice....
[10:13] <borgista> The Breezy box booted, and I just am now running sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:13] <borgista> So far so good...
[10:13] <Absenth> jason_,  you Might be able to install mIRC through wine?  That might be fun.
[10:13] <deFrysk> tristanmike, we help you not to forget
[10:13] <tristanmike> I'm sorry
[10:13] <Slarti-> tristanmike : have you checked for broken packages?
[10:13] <jason_> lol I think I'll pass
[10:13] <wesley> ompaul, and then?/
[10:13] <wesley> :-(
[10:14] <Seveas> tristanmike, sorry, it's just that I have seen so much mess coming from the old backports that I hate them now
[10:14] <jason_> i just started using ubuntu and linux a couple of weeks ago
[10:14] <tristanmike> Seveas, I understand, but I'm sorry, the wiki is very confusing
[10:14] <kemik> Seveas:  backports is still messy..
[10:14] <jrattner1> mIRC blows
[10:14] <Belutz> mIRC = man, I'm Running Crazy
[10:14] <nalioth> tristanmike: psst, stay away from the ubuntuguide, too
[10:14] <Seveas> kemik, the official ones are better
[10:14] <JosephB> I'm still trying to find a really good keyring manager for gpg, Seahorse just isn't doing it for me.
[10:14] <Seveas> JosephB, gpa
[10:14] <borgista> I'm using ChatZilla. It's o.k.
[10:14] <Seveas> and gpg-agent
[10:14] <nalioth> JosephB: use kgpp if you must have a gui
[10:15] <borgista> I prefer GAIM IRC
[10:15] <tristanmike> nalioth, why are the forums considered support if they are giving wrong support?
[10:15] <deFrysk> tristanmike, firts people go to ubuntuguide ubuntuforum backports en when they are totally messedup they come here
[10:15] <nalioth> JosephB: i personally use console for gpg
[10:15] <nalioth> tristanmike: any idiot can post to the forums
[10:15] <Seveas> gpg - gpg - gpg-agent - pinentry-gtk2 -- the complete gpg toolkit for gnome :)
[10:15] <Absenth> jrattner1, Belutz, I didn't suggest it was a good idea, just that it might be possible.....  as a side note, if you install IE 6.0 through Crossover Office, you can goto windowsupdate.microsoft.com and update your operating system :P
[10:15] <ompaul> wesley, did that work okay?
[10:15] <tristanmike> but I got my support from the Mods
[10:15] <Seveas> gpg - gpa - gpg-agent - pinentry-gtk2 -- the complete gpg toolkit for gnome :) (notice the typo)
[10:15] <Seveas> tristanmike, mods are just forum regulars
[10:15] <Seveas> not the smartest ubuntu users
[10:16] <deFrysk> tristanmike, an idiot answer get corrected here by a lesser idiot
[10:16] <Slarti-> they come here, ask the question and in the time it takes to get a response manage to fix it themselves by winging it
[10:16] <tristanmike> lol
[10:16] <borgista> How do you bring up a DHCP client for a certain net interface in ubuntu?
[10:16] <borgista> for instance for ath0
[10:16] <Seveas> borgista, dhclient ath0
[10:16] <aladds> i have a problem with firefox 1.0.7
[10:16] <borgista> thank you.
[10:16] <Absenth> beat me to it :(
[10:16] <aladds> it wont install
[10:16] <tristanmike> firefox says it's starting and then nothing
[10:16] <borgista> I've been on gentoo too long.
[10:16] <Absenth> I knew that one Seveas...
[10:16] <aladds> because firefox is installed
[10:16] <Seveas> aladds, disable backports.
[10:16] <ompaul> whats the channel for portugal?
[10:16] <Seveas> and disable it for good
[10:16] <Seveas> and NEVER use it again
[10:16] <aladds> thanks Seveas
[10:16] <Slarti-> run it from bash
[10:17] <Slarti-> make a note of any errors
[10:17] <deFrysk> tristanmike, same as gurus brains ....nothing....
[10:17] <bystander> ompaul, #ubuntu-pt
[10:17] <Belutz> Maybe someday the windows add/remove programs will look like synaptic, but every computer that use windows must connected with a credit card reader
[10:17] <wesley> no yet
[10:17] <ompaul> wesley, please try #ubuntu-pt you seem to not understand me
[10:17] <bipolar> Does anyone know where I can get a gstreamer-pitfdll deb for breezy? I've got some wmv9 files I'm trying to view.
[10:17] <tristanmike> So can someone please help me fix and get me on the *right* direction please
[10:17] <borgista> I gave up on gentoo when it wouldn't detect my iPod Nano.
[10:17] <Slarti-> bipolar : use mplayer
[10:17] <borgista> It was "fun" for a while.
[10:17] <wesley> so, i can understand you..
[10:18] <test34> GDM: Xserver not found! /usr/X11R6/bin/X ..... on boot
[10:18] <puff> What subversion client do folks recommend?
[10:18] <wesley> the problmes is: i think that i dont have this lib in my repositorys..
[10:18] <Absenth> borgista, did gentoo feel much faster then ubuntu does?
[10:18] <deFrysk> tristanmike, Seveas told you what to do I believe ?
[10:18] <aladds> i disabled backports but it still wont install
[10:18] <nalioth> puff: i use console subversion
[10:18] <tristanmike> deFrysk, and I got an error with that command
[10:18] <bipolar> Slarti-, none of the mplayer packages will install. deps problems.
[10:18] <aladds> it complains because firefox and mozilla-firefox arr both installed
[10:18] <nalioth> aladds, you've adulterated your box with backports programs (this is the reason we dont recommend bp)
[10:18] <tristanmike> I'll paste error in flood
[10:19] <borgista> Absenth, it did when I was using Hoary before...I'm wondering if Breezy will be faster.
[10:19] <aladds> oh dear
[10:19] <carrett> hi guys. i'm having some trouble with firewire. i plug in the ipod, and nothing shows up in syslog or messages...ieee1394, ohci1394 and sbp2 are all loaded. i'm on breezy....any clues?
[10:19] <borgista> But w/Gentoo I used XFCE, mainly
[10:19] <aladds> now what do i do?
[10:19] <jason_> okay, I've got a question:  I installed mplayer along with the plugin for firefox yesterday.  The player itself will play everything I throw at it.  However the plugin won't play certain wmv files.  I suspect these are wmv9/10.... Is there a way to get these to work?
[10:19] <aladds> besides reinstall
[10:19] <Slarti-> bipolar, try building from source
[10:19] <deFrysk> tristanmike, howmany firefox packager are in your os now ? you can do a search with synaptic if you wish
[10:19] <puff> nalioth: command-line?
[10:19] <deFrysk> packages*
[10:19] <borgista> jason_ do you have the proper codecs?
[10:19] <bipolar> Slarti-, then I might as well build gstreamer-pitfdll
[10:19] <puff> Hm, odd... it looks like, this time around, ubuntu installed a lot more multimedia stuff by default.
[10:19] <Absenth> borgista, is it worth the difficulty in installation?
[10:19] <Belutz> aladds: remove firefox, and install mozilla-firefox
[10:19] <aladds> it wont do it
[10:20] <[klined] > hey
[10:20] <wesley> do you have any repository name when i can include in my apt?
[10:20] <aladds> it tries to install mozilla-firefox first
[10:20] <aladds> hence my catch22 problem
[10:20] <tristanmike> deFrysk, 5 packages installed
[10:20] <puff> nalioth: Which package do I use if I just want the client?
[10:20] <[klined] > how do I make the refresh rate in gnome lower to 70hz, it whistles at 75 and there is no obvious way to change it
[10:20] <deFrysk> all firefox tristanmike ?
[10:20] <borgista> Absenth, to me it was...because every other distro would drag on my 6yo box. But otherwise, not really. Unless you're a masochist.
[10:20] <Belutz> aladds: disable the backports repos
[10:20] <tristanmike> I posted my flood
[10:20] <aladds> i have
[10:20] <test34> somehow X got uninstalled
[10:20] <jason_> i have win32 and i've installed all of the ones listed on the unofficial guide.  The player plays the files if I download them.  But the plugin just buffers and hangs at 99%
[10:20] <nalioth> puff: just "sudo apt-get install svn"
[10:20] <Slarti-> [klined] , modify your xorg.conf refresh ranges
[10:20] <bystander> aladds, disable backports,then try running sudo apt-get -f install   without arguments
[10:20] <cyphase> aladds, uninstall all 4 firefox things, i.e. (mozilla-)firefox and (mozilla-)firefox-gnome-support
[10:21] <cyphase> then install mozilla-firefox(-gnome-support)
[10:21] <bipolar> ah ha! http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20050913.033319.cc1e37a3.en.html
[10:21] <aladds> it wont let me without uninstalling ubuntu-desktop
[10:21] <Slarti-> it's in /etc/X11/
[10:21] <cyphase> don't worry
[10:21] <cyphase> that's ok
[10:21] <deFrysk> tristanmike, apt-get remove --purge <packages> (close synaptic first)
[10:21] <ompaul> wesley, this is the line for the file /etc/apt/sources.list >>deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[10:21] <ompaul> <<
[10:21] <[klined] > Slarti: I understand that, specifically, what do I set it to to make the max refresh rate 70hz, it has vertical and horizontal refreshes, but not the standard way I'm used to seeing it
[10:21] <Belutz> aladds: that's ok
[10:21] <aladds> it is?
[10:21] <cyphase> lol
[10:21] <cyphase> yea
[10:21] <aladds> and yelp
[10:21] <tristanmike> deFrysk, 1 called "firefox" / "firefox-gnome-support" / "mozilla-firefox" / "mozilla-firefox-gome-support" / "mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb" and that's it
[10:21] <cyphase> yes
[10:21] <aladds> er, ok.....
[10:21] <Belutz> aladds: yup
[10:21] <bipolar> maybe gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse will be able to help me
[10:21] <cyphase> aladds, just reinstall them after
[10:21] <aladds> it doesnt sound good
[10:21] <aladds> oh
[10:21] <deFrysk> tristanmike, as I said earlyer
[10:22] <aladds> but will x11 work?
[10:22] <cyphase> yes
[10:22] <aladds> oh, ok
[10:22] <cyphase> nothing bad happens
[10:22] <tristanmike> de
[10:22] <cyphase> just uninstall them
[10:22] <[klined] > anybody know
[10:22] <test34> JosephB, X is working again, it was uninstalled for some unknown reasons
[10:22] <cyphase> then install mozila-firefox
[10:22] <aladds> ok
[10:22] <[klined] > what do I set my refresh rate too?
[10:22] <cyphase> mozilla-firefox *
[10:22] <[klined] > to get it to stay at 70hz
[10:22] <[klined] > no matter what
[10:22] <tristanmike> deFrysk, so replace <packages> with firefox?
[10:22] <Absenth> I think the BEST thing about linux in general is the ability to choose exactly what works best for you.
[10:22] <Slarti-> my horizSynch is 28-64
[10:22] <deFrysk> tristanmike, all firefox related packages
[10:22] <JosephB> test34: congrats dude
[10:22] <Slarti-> vert is 43-60
[10:22] <_DuDe_> back
[10:23] <ompaul> wesley, after that >>sudo apt-get update<< and then >>sudo apt-get install skype<<
[10:23] <Slarti-> using a tft which reminds me
[10:23] <Slarti-> must modify that
[10:23] <Absenth> ompaul, do I have to add any repos to APT to install skype?
[10:23] <[klined] > so set vert refresh max to 70?
[10:23] <[klined] > aye?
[10:23] <Belutz> Absenth: yes
[10:23] <carrett> hi guys. i'm having some trouble with firewire. i plug in the ipod, and nothing shows up in syslog or messages...ieee1394, ohci1394 and sbp2 are all loaded. i'm on breezy....any clues?
[10:24] <tristanmike> deFrysk, look, I'm an idiot, I'm sorry, I don't know how to do what you ask, I don't even know what your asking me, I'm sorry
[10:24] <Slarti-> go to your monitor's manufacturers website
[10:24] <Slarti-> grab the manual
[10:24] <_DuDe_> bob2, this happened last time I installed Ubuntu, and I came in here, and some dude helped me out, but I can't remember who he was, or what he had me do
[10:24] <[klined] > I know the right refresh rates!
[10:24] <_DuDe_> God damnit, again, I can't get anything to work that needs a password
[10:24] <bystander> !skype
[10:24] <ubotu> skype is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/, or deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[10:24] <[klined] > but I want it lower than the best
[10:24] <_DuDe_> damn
[10:24] <Slarti-> it will have the recommended refresh rates in there
[10:24] <[klined] > Xorg trys to set it to the max it ican
[10:24] <[klined] > but it whistles!
[10:24] <_DuDe_> typed wrong thing
[10:24] <ompaul> Absenth, you can do and I suggest you do - and don't say that it a debian repo it is not it is a skype repo ... >> deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[10:24] <Belutz> Absenth: www.skype.com/products/skype/linux/repositories.html
[10:24] <[klined] > how do I set it lower!
[10:24] <[klined] > please!
[10:24] <_DuDe_> !help
[10:24] <Slarti-> what are they currently set to?
[10:24] <deFrysk> tristanmike, apt-get remove --purge <the packages you rapported to me earlyer>
[10:24] <Slarti-> throw me a bone
[10:25] <aladds> it's working, thanks guys
[10:25] <deFrysk> tristanmike, and use sudo
[10:25] <ompaul> Absenth, that comment was for others who jump in and call it a deb repo which it ain't :)
[10:25] <[klined] > 	HorizSync    30.0 - 96.0
[10:25] <[klined] > 	VertRefresh  50.0 - 160.0
[10:25] <test34> they dont update skype for linux or what ?
[10:25] <tristanmike> deFrysk, oh, so each name needs to be in there
[10:25] <deFrysk> tristanmike, yes
[10:25] <Slarti-> drop the horiz to 75
[10:25] <Slarti-> or 70
[10:25] <bystander> test34, they do
[10:25] <[klined] > what about vertical?
[10:25] <[klined] > leave that the same?
[10:25] <tristanmike> deFrysk, how bad is this gonna frig with my system?
[10:25] <Slarti-> may want to drop vert to 120
[10:25] <ompaul> !tell _DuDe_ about ask
[10:25] <[klined] > ok
[10:25] <Absenth> ompaul, Belutz danke.
[10:25] <[klined] > ok
[10:26] <wesley> i've done it and the same msg
[10:26] <Belutz> Absenth: :)
[10:26] <[klined] > thanks man
[10:26] <[klined] > hopefully nothing blows up =P
[10:26] <ompaul> Absenth, np
[10:26] <Slarti-> you can also drop the refresh via the screenresolution options
[10:26] <Slarti-> in the system prefs
[10:26] <jason_> !tell me about ask
[10:26] <deFrysk> tristanmike, when done you can install firefox back with synaptic including the extras you desire (but dont use the backports of ubuntuguide!!)
[10:26] <ompaul> puff, http://blogs.redhat.com/magazine/archives/000165.html this any help I have not looked at it in detail
[10:26] <Belutz> i just installed mono, i hope my sound still stereo
[10:26] <Slarti-> make a backup before changing anything
[10:27] <aladds> hmm, it did the packageness ok, but now firefox wont load
[10:27] <crtr> how to stop apache2?
[10:27] <Lars_G> Question, is the postgres account disabled as well in Ubuntu?
[10:27] <Slarti-> or comment out the offending lines and readd them
[10:27] <[klined] > doh!
[10:27] <Absenth> ompaul, Belutz, I get an error saying libqu3c102-mt must be >= 3:3.3.3.2  and the one I have is 3:3.3.3-yUbuntu3
[10:27] <Belutz> crtr: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop
[10:27] <[klined] > oh man!
[10:27] <Absenth> ompaul, Belutz, any suggestions?
[10:27] <Lars_G> Ah yes, yes it is.
[10:27] <[klined] > i am an idiot Slarti-!
[10:27] <Lars_G> thanks for answering me.
[10:27] <ompaul> Absenth, , now try >>sudo apt-get install libqt3-mt<<
[10:27] <Slarti-> hell if I can get the nvidia drivers
[10:27] <Lars_G> Seveas: Man you're fast
[10:27] <Belutz> Absenth: ompaul is more experienced in installing skype :)
[10:27] <[klined] > I was doing Display
[10:27] <[klined] > didn't even see that
[10:27] <deFrysk> tristanmike, and fingers crossed :)
[10:27] <Slarti-> and the nforce drivers working
[10:27] <wesley> ompaul, i have the same error than absnth
[10:28] <[klined] > sorry man
[10:28] <[klined] > lol
[10:28] <Slarti-> the refresh rates a doddle
[10:28] <ompaul> ahh
[10:28] <Slarti-> heh
[10:28] <Slarti-> don't quote me on that
[10:28] <Slarti-> ever
[10:29] <Absenth> ompaul, package libqt3-mt is not avalible, but is referred to by another package...  However the following packages replace it: libqt3c102-mt libqt3c102
[10:29] <ompaul> Absenth, feckers in skype upgraded and demand a new file we don't have
[10:29] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Is he alive? btw good day sir.
[10:29] <Seveas>  /kick Lars_G don't prod me
[10:29] <ompaul> Absenth, apt-cache search  libqt3-mt gave you that correct?
[10:29] <deFrysk> :)
[10:30] <Lars_G> Yup he's alive.
[10:30] <apokryphos> Lars_G: he is; and good-day :)
[10:30] <_DuDe_> Failed to run /usr/bin/gnome-app-install as user root:
[10:30] <_DuDe_>  Child terminated with 1 status
[10:30] <Absenth> ompaul, sudo apt-get install libqt3-mt
[10:30] <Absenth> ompaul, gave me that.
[10:30] <Chii_Chan> Quick q... in order to install a piece of hardware do I need to keep the sys and inf files somewhere? Or can I delete them when Im done?
[10:30] <_DuDe_> Please someone help me
[10:30] <apokryphos> Absenth: what's the problem?
[10:30] <Seveas> Absenth, apt-get install libqt3c102-mt
[10:30] <test34> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.08_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/X11/fonts', which is also in package xfonts-base
[10:30] <Seveas> Chii_Chan, sys and inf files are windows files
[10:30] <puterfixer> greetings and salutations :)
[10:30] <Seveas> this is a linux channel...
[10:31] <ompaul> Absenth, this is down to skype not building a real .deb in the first place
[10:31] <Lars_G> Chii_Chan: Sys and INF?? this is Linux.. not Windwos.
[10:31] <Chii_Chan> I know but ndiswrappers uses them to activate my wireless lan card
[10:31] <Seveas> ah - ndiswrapper
[10:31] <Absenth> Seveas, already at the newest version, skype however doesn't like my newest version aparently
[10:31] <Chii_Chan> ndiswrapper
[10:31] <Seveas> you can toss out the sys and inf file
[10:31] <tristanmike> deFrysk, ok, done
[10:31] <Chii_Chan> okey
[10:31] <apokryphos> Absenth: you on breezy or hoary?
[10:31] <xophEr> Seveas, do you know if/when 2.6.13 will be released for ubuntu? :)
[10:31] <Seveas> ndiswrapper copies them to its own folders
[10:31] <Lars_G> They are installed to a special dir Seveas?
[10:31] <Absenth> apokryphos, hoary
[10:31] <Chii_Chan> kk just making sure
[10:31] <Lars_G> xophEr: No need for a release, download the source and compile it yourself.
[10:31] <Seveas> xophEr, if: maybe not when: if ever, then in november for dapper
[10:32] <apokryphos> Absenth: and you get that above error after you've installed the respective qt package?
[10:32] <deFrysk> Absenth, skype has a static (qt included) version, try that
[10:32] <aladds> g2g
[10:32] <Lars_G> Seveas: You guys have decided the release names two releases in advance?
[10:32] <dalamar> is there a workaround for the newest upgrade killing X in breezy?
[10:32] <Seveas> Lars_G, no
[10:32] <GoRoDeK> test34: did you get the error while upgrading? i got the same and manually installed the .deb file with --force overwrite
[10:32] <lorenzod> Hi all.
[10:32] <Lars_G> Seveas: You are really something. But, what will happen when you run out of energy?
[10:32] <Absenth> deFrysk, I was thinking about trying the tarball install, but didn't want to risk breaking anything else in the process.
[10:32] <GoRoDeK> no problems so far...
[10:32] <xophEr> Lars_G, Ive done that, the only problem is that it cant mount my local filesystems at boot when I use it.. Dont know whats wrong
[10:32] <Seveas> the name for a release is announced ~7 months before release which is ~1 month before the release of another version
[10:32] <Lars_G> ok
[10:33] <deFrysk> Absenth, you can just unpack it in jour /home dir and run it...
[10:33] <Seveas> Lars_G, then others will hopefully take over :)
[10:33] <Absenth> deFrysk, perfect, THAT i can do :)
[10:33] <test34> GoRoDeK, yes, with synaptic
[10:33] <Chii_Chan> meh brb >.< have to run this as root
[10:33] <lorenzod> Is anybody using rhythmbox 0.9 and auto-rate?
[10:33] <test34> GoRoDeK, (breezy)
[10:33] <Lars_G> xophEr: That means you've not compiled the FS drivers Into the kernel AND you've failed to make an initrd image
[10:33] <deFrysk> Absenth, just read the howto on the downloadpage
[10:33] <ompaul> Absenth, na I will report the problem to skype - as I need it for some luser calls
[10:33] <dalamar> is there a workaround for the newest upgrade killing X in breezy?
[10:33] <Lars_G> xophEr: You need to either compile your FS handlers (and the IDE drivers) in statically on the kernel, or create an initrd image, and tell the bootloader to use it
[10:33] <Seveas> dalamar, yes, wait
[10:33] <_DuDe_>  Child terminated with 1 status
[10:34] <Seveas> and don't upgrade
[10:34] <Lars_G> Seveas: When will breezy lock?
[10:34] <_DuDe_> Hellp
[10:34] <Seveas> _DuDe_, launch it from the terminal, that error says absolutely nothing
[10:34] <dmb062082> sweet my discs are in the mail
[10:34] <lorenzod> I have a funny issue with rb 0.9 and auto-rate.
[10:34] <dmb062082> ubuntu is nice but my monitor blows. need to run the lowsest rez possible
[10:34] <GoRoDeK> test34, don't know how dirty it is. but i did it with console. apt-get update. apt-get upgrade... than the error occured ->
[10:34] <xophEr> Lars_G, Ill look into it, but I think I had it all right :)
[10:34] <test34> dalamar, I got my X back working, I had to reinstall X, apt-get instal xserver-xorg
[10:34] <xophEr> obviously I didnt
[10:34] <Seveas> Lars_G, it has gone through several phases of freezing already
[10:34] <lorenzod> It seems the rating decreases the more you play a song..
[10:34] <Lars_G> Seveas: And still upgrades break stuff? scary
[10:34] <dmb062082> is there a app that runs aol on linux? Its my only source for net untill I get cable back...
[10:34] <lorenzod> Hasn't done that before.
[10:34] <GoRoDeK> test34,  cd /var/cache/apt/archives/ and next do  dpkg -i --force overwrite x-common_1.08_all.deb
[10:35] <jason_> is it possible for mplayer plugin to play wmv9/10 in firefox
[10:35] <Seveas> Lars_G, all in the name of fixing things
[10:35] <_DuDe_> mike@zeroirc:~$ run /usr/bin/gnome-app-install
[10:35] <_DuDe_> bash: run: command not found
[10:35] <Lars_G> dmb062082: Gaim comes in ubuntu, kopete in kubuntu
[10:35] <apokryphos> dmb062082: AIM? Yes; gaim.
[10:35] <test34> GoRoDeK, ok thanks
[10:35] <Lars_G> dmb062082: Both handle AIM
[10:35] <Seveas> jason_, 9 yes 10 no
[10:35] <funkyHat> :/ how can i make gaim remember the size of it's windows?
[10:35] <dmb062082> not aim.. aol
[10:35] <Seveas> _DuDe_, sudo gnome-app-install
[10:35] <dmb062082> =)
[10:35] <jason_> ok thanks, that explains my problem
[10:35] <bystander> _DuDe_, just the command - no "run" :)
[10:35] <Lars_G> dmb062082: .... eh?
[10:35] <dmb062082> america online....
[10:35] <Lars_G> dmb062082: You mean AOL's web page? use any navigator.
[10:35] <dmb062082> for internet access
[10:35] <Lars_G> dmb062082: If you mean AOL's dial up, use ppp.
[10:36] <dmb062082> ppp?
[10:36] <Absenth> alright, I guess I'm out for school.
[10:36] <Lars_G> dmb062082: If you mean AOL's horrid propietary client, go to a corner and cry.
[10:36] <dmb062082> does that come pre packed with ubuntu?
[10:36] <Lars_G> :)
[10:36] <Lars_G> yes
[10:36] <Absenth> see everyone next time I have a few hours of "copius free time"
[10:36] <Absenth> lars_g, where in the world might you live?
[10:36] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Is there any gnome ppp configurator dmb062082 could use in ubuntu?
[10:36] <dmb062082> lars can I pm you?
[10:36] <Lars_G> Absenth: Why in the world would you care?
[10:36] <JosephB> where exists this 'copius free time' you speak of?
[10:36] <Absenth> Lars_G, my name IRL is "lars"  not something I come across very often here in Indianapolis.
[10:37] <ompaul> Absenth, can I message you?
[10:37] <JosephB> certainly not in my world ;)
[10:37] <Absenth> ompaul, sure.
[10:37] <Lars_G> dmb062082: I'd preffer you not to, I am comming and going so I have not much time to dedicate, sorry :(
[10:37] <apokryphos> Lars_G: don't know about gnome, sorry 8)
[10:37] <test34> GoRoDeK, that worked, thanks again
[10:37] <Lars_G> Absenth: Mine is Lars too, I am in south america (Venezuela), here it's weirder than in USA
[10:37] <Seveas> apokryphos, is one from the dark side...
[10:37] <Lars_G> Seveas: I am from the dark side too, I love KDE
[10:37] <pierre> ur
[10:37] <dmb062082> i could give a rats ass about AOL, I just need net access at my house and have many free AOL accounts for now
[10:37] <tristanmike> deFrysk, ??
[10:38] <dmb062082> kde is the best thanks
[10:38] <GoRoDeK> test34, no problem :)!
[10:38] <Chii_Chan> >.<  I am sure this is the account with root access but when I tried to install the drivers to ndiswrapper, it says this "Unable to create directory /etc/ndiswrapper/oem6. Make sure you are running as root
[10:38] <Chii_Chan> "
[10:38] <Lars_G> Seveas: Anyhow, since you're a Gnome child, does ubuntu comes with any preinstalled gnome based ppp configurator dmb062082 can use?
[10:38] <Absenth> Lars_G, I can imagine that would be a bit out of place there.  In 29 years I've only meet two Lars' face to face.
[10:38] <Chii_Chan> How do I make sure that I have the account which is logged in as root?
[10:38] <Seveas> Chii_Chan, use sudo...
[10:38] <Lars_G> Chii_Chan: You need to "sudo" it,
[10:38] <dmb062082> Lars, or one I can download for now...
[10:38] <Seveas> Lars_G, thank god the ppp era is far behind me
[10:38] <test34> GoRoDeK, I guess I can delete everything in this directory right ?
[10:38] <Lars_G> Chii_Chan: Just doing with the principal account is not enough.
[10:38] <tristanmike> I'll be right back!!!
[10:38] <Chii_Chan> sudo?
[10:38] <Seveas> read: i have no clue about that :)
[10:38] <puff> ompaul: Thanks, speaking of keyboards, this laptop has bluetooth, I need to find a good portable bluetooth keyboard.
[10:38] <cyphase> For everyone who was having problems with the Firefox upgrade, I've posted a small guide to fixing it on my blog: http://cyphase.homelinux.com/blog/
[10:38] <Lars_G> Seveas: Thanks.
[10:39] <jason_> i have mplayer installed, do you recommend installing xine as well?
[10:39] <moparfan90> does anyone know a good free game for ubuntu linux?
[10:39] <Lars_G> dmb062082: How can you donwload if you can't connect?
[10:39] <Seveas> moparfan90, kobodl :)
[10:39] <Lars_G> dmb062082: Or you can connect?
[10:39] <dmb062082> i am on a different pc
[10:39] <Lars_G> moparfan90: What genre?
[10:39] <dmb062082> ill burn and install there
[10:39] <GnuKemist> moparfan90, have you heard of enemy territory:
[10:39] <Chii_Chan> So how do I use sudo?
[10:39] <Chii_Chan> or is that the main account?
[10:39] <moparfan90> any im like fps and mmprg
[10:39] <dmb062082> how is http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/base/ppp
[10:39] <ZeroA4> Chii_Chan, "sudo" means superuser do. "sudo" will prompt for "Password:". Please specify user password http://ubuntuguide.org/
[10:40] <Seveas> !tell Chii_Chan about sudo
[10:40] <Chii_Chan> kk
[10:40] <Beryllium> man ... configuring Ubuntu to get the gcc and cc compilers in place from Synaptic is ... well, I wish there was a little "Development" checkbox that installed all the required packages, that's all :)
[10:40] <puff> Hm, I guess I should upgrade firefox.
[10:40] <moparfan90> GnuKemist, yes i tried it that game is old
[10:40] <Lars_G> Chii_Chan: Basically: "sudo command" and it'll ask your password... that is YOUR password
[10:40] <GnuKemist> moparfan90, k
[10:40] <bystander> Beryllium,  build-essential
[10:40] <test34> there was almost 700mb in my .debs archive..
[10:40] <jason_> i messaged the bot but got no response, i did this: /msg uboto ask
[10:40] <puff> Hm, should I do some sort of apt-get dist-upgrade with hoary?
[10:40] <Lars_G> moparfan90: in OSS my favorite FPS is BZFlag, but since you think anything non system taxing to be "old" and don't care how much fun it is, you'll possibly hate it.
[10:41] <puff> Given that this is a 5.0.4 install.
[10:41] <moparfan90> anyone know one?  seveas, thats a arcade game i mean real games
[10:41] <apokryphos> puff: to get to breezy, yes?
[10:41] <scx> Quiz: Is there a tarball to install Jack Sound Server ?
[10:41] <Lars_G> Seveas: This is your fault, I'm not normally this acid.
[10:41] <ZeroA4> Beryllium, You mean the build-essential ?http://ubuntuguide.org/#build-essential
[10:41] <moparfan90> ooo
[10:41] <Seveas> moparfan90, bzflag perhaps or wesnoth
[10:41] <scx> I need Muse, and it needs Jack, anyway I can't find out how to run it
[10:41] <dmb062082> aww man I am going to cry =)
[10:41] <jason_> !tell me uboto
[10:41] <Lars_G> scx: There's no jack package in the repositories?
[10:41] <Beryllium> Just trying to ./configure for the WINE project ... I'm having to go through a package at a time to meet all the requirements.
[10:41] <dmb062082> there is something better than wine eh?
[10:42] <bystander> !info kackd
[10:42] <scx> ahh srry,... I forgot ....
[10:42] <dmb062082> winex or something
[10:42] <jason_> can someone tell me how to msg the both correctly so I don't flood the channel with !tells?
[10:42] <Lars_G> Seveas: damn, we DO think alike, too sad you're holed up in that rats nest of Gnome
[10:42] <bystander> !info jackd
[10:42] <ubotu> jackd: (JACK Audio Connection Kit (server and example clients)), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.99.0-2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 82 kB, Installed size: 316 kB
[10:42] <Lars_G> apokryphos: There's no chance in us converting Seveas over?
[10:42] <Seveas> Lars_G, no
[10:42] <Bad_Magic> Can anyone help me with a lockup on boot? (It happens when ubuntu starts up the network stuff)
[10:42] <Seveas> not as long as kde sucks donkey balls ;)
[10:42] <GnuKemist> hehe
[10:42] <apokryphos> Lars_G: probably not, but I will get him to try to substantiate his kde claims one day ;-)
[10:42] <deFrysk> ^5 Seveas
[10:42] <bipolar> I found a gstreamer-pitfdll deb at: ftp://cipherfunk.org/pub/packages/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gst-pitfdll0.8/ and it lets me play wmv9 files.
[10:42] <scx> This machine is a suse ... I asked in the forum, anyway, they did not solve me the problem
[10:42] <Chii_Chan> bah... when I use sudo, it tells me that there is no such file or directory
[10:43] <scx> I have Ubuntu too
[10:43] <nalioth> !tell jason_ about msg the bot
[10:43] <scx> in my comp
[10:43] <Chii_Chan> even though it is sitting on my desktop
[10:43] <nalioth> jason_: you need to read what the bot tells you
[10:43] <bystander> !start a desktop war
[10:43] <ubotu> fluxbox is much better than kde!
[10:43] <Seveas> Bad_Magic, makse sure there are no 'auto' lines in /etc/network/interfaces except for 'auto lo'
[10:43] <apokryphos> Seveas: you definitely dislike kde more than I dislike gnome 8)
[10:43] <ZeroA4> dmb062082, It's called Cedega now
[10:43] <GnuKemist> Chii_Chan, sudo ommand goes here] 
[10:43] <apokryphos> (not really anti-gnome at all, really; just non-gnome)
[10:43] <scx> ;)
[10:43] <Seveas> apokryphos, very well possible, knowing my opinion of kde :)
[10:43] <scx>  I read the man jackd
[10:43] <deFrysk> apokryphos, that is because gnome is too good to dislike
[10:43] <jason_> oh right i forgot im on ubuntu servers and not registered... thx
[10:43] <dmb062082> ahh ok zero, its been a while
[10:44] <scx>  and toldsme to run: jackstart
[10:44] <scx> But where is it ????  I couldn't find it
[10:44] <Lars_G> Seveas: One question sir, is it me, or some of the programs that require sudo are setuid already, and if sudo has cached the password you don't even need to use sudo at all?
[10:44] <Bad_Magic> seveas: i have auto wlan0 and eth0 but I would like them to come up automatically
[10:44] <apokryphos> deFrysk: or I don't see DEs as being mutually exclusive, or as one necessarily being objectively better in all cases than another
[10:44] <scx> so I ask if I can install it from source or something
[10:44] <puff> apokryphos: No, not to get breezy, but rather to get any new patches, etc, that have come out for hoary since I burned this install CD.
[10:44] <dmb062082> kde blows away gnome imho, its just a lot smoother, the only thing I like a lot about gnome is gdm
[10:44] <Seveas> Bad_Magic, try and remove them and see whether that works (probably wlan0 is the bad guy)
[10:45] <Bad_Magic> seveas: im sure it is (ndiswrapper -> Evil dell laptop)
[10:45] <dmb062082> I like all the KDE specific apps more as well
[10:45] <n3t0> someone from brazil here?
[10:45] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Am I right sir?
[10:45] <apokryphos> puff: yes, a plain sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will do it
[10:45] <Seveas> n3t0, #ubuntu-br
[10:45] <deFrysk> s/like/dislike
[10:45] <moparfan90> i need to have root access to install this and theres no place to type sudo  or something i just need a pw. what do i type?
[10:45] <GnuKemist> n3t0, here
[10:45] <puff> apokryphos: Ah, I was just about to ask you about the upgrade option :-).
[10:45] <ompaul> for those who want kde (why you would I can't figure) #kubuntu can help you with your pain :)
[10:45] <puff> Is there somewhere that logs all apt commands?
[10:45] <Seveas> moparfan90, wine?
[10:46] <Seveas> puff, only if you use aptitude
[10:46] <Bad_Magic> too bad the interface in kde is fugly
[10:46] <puff> Is "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" something that I should use on a regular basis?
[10:46] <Seveas> ompaul, good call
[10:46] <Seveas> puff, the update manager does that for you
[10:46] <dmb062082> looks like I need peng
[10:46] <puff> Seveas: Sounds like a good reason to use aptitude.
[10:46] <ompaul> Seveas, thank you
[10:46] <bystander> fluxbox rules!
[10:46] <robotgeek> bystander: also try openbox, you might like it
[10:46] <Seveas> and now lets stop the 1-zillionth iteration of this desktop war
[10:46] <Seveas> or else..
[10:47] <Chii_Chan> bah >.< stupid :/
[10:47] <Beryllium> you know what other box rules?
[10:47] <Beryllium> Margaret Thatcher's.
[10:47] <puff> Seveas: The update manager?
[10:47] <Chii_Chan> apparantly the file I copied didnt have the file inside I needed
[10:47] <Bad_Magic> reboot
[10:47] <Bad_Magic> =x
[10:47] <deFrysk> X-box ?
[10:47] <Seveas> puff, the ubuntu update manager, kinda like that annoying thing in winXP but lots better and friendlier
[10:47] <robotgeek> Seveas: okay :)
[10:47] <Lars_G> but still anoying
[10:48] <GoRoDeK> test34, sorry was away a few minutes. u can clean it manually or use apt-get clean and apt-get autoclean
[10:48] <deFrysk> Lars_G, wen stable less annoying
[10:48] <apokryphos> Lars_G: better keep desktop discussion in -offtopic, after it's repetitive =)
[10:48] <puff> Seveas: Is there a cron job that runs it, or do I need to invoke it on a regular basis?
[10:48] <IcE-bOy2> hi
[10:48] <Seveas> puff, grep apt -R /etc/cron*
[10:48] <Seveas> :)
[10:48] <ompaul> Seveas, so I got a phone call, can I do voip break out in the US and ring AOL, the guy was serious
[10:49] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Dude, I dropped the discussion already
[10:49] <IcE-bOy2> is possible download a iso from breezy ?
[10:49] <ompaul> Seveas, I told him to try
[10:49] <Seveas> IcE-bOy2, yes
[10:49] <IcE-bOy2> i'm going to buy a laptop with acpi problemas that only works with breezy
[10:49] <deFrysk> IcE-bOy2, a preview of breezy yes
[10:49] <IcE-bOy2> where is the url ?
[10:49] <IcE-bOy2> idon't find it
[10:49] <Seveas> cdimage.ubuntu.com
[10:49] <apokryphos> Lars_G: sure, I saw
[10:49] <IcE-bOy2> thanls
[10:50] <Bad_Magic> Seveas: removing the auto wlan0 fixed it
[10:50] <dmb062082> FOUND IT.... http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/net/penggy
[10:50] <Knelix2> Hey where are there good Ubuntu background/desktop images?
[10:50] <deFrysk> Knelix, art.gnome.org
[10:50] <robotgeek> Knelix2: www.gnome-look.org
[10:50] <bystander> Knelix, /home/accounts/.porn/  :P
[10:50] <Knelix2> Thanks.
[10:50] <Bad_Magic> seveas: thanks a bundle
[10:51] <Knelix2> huh?...
[10:51] <Knelix2> :-P
[10:51] <deFrysk> lol bystander
[10:51] <dmb062082> from looking at http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/net/penggy will I need any other files other than penggy? If I have a fresh install of ubuntu?
[10:51] <lorenzod> Very, very odd..
[10:51] <zeasier> how do you run the network configuration scripts from the install? i have a system without X that is having all kinds of networking trouble
[10:52] <puff> Seveas: So that's a "yes", then.
[10:52] <Knelix2> I can't set X-Chat to a degree of transparency, can I (Just on or off, right)?
[10:52] <puff> Seveas: Hm, if I'm using aptitude instead of apt-get, but the system has  cron jobs using apt-get, will they play nicely together?
[10:52] <Bad_Magic> why anyone would want to access AOL using linux is beyond me
[10:52] <Bad_Magic> but whatever
[10:52] <Seveas> puff, sure
[10:52] <dmb062082> bad_magic..  no other option...
[10:52] <Bad_Magic> webmail and gaim
[10:52] <Bad_Magic> among others
[10:52] <_DuDe_> Grrrrrrrr
[10:53] <dmb062082> bad magic i can not access the internet via gaim
[10:53] <bystander> Knelix, sure you can
[10:53] <Bad_Magic> should get broadband then
[10:53] <Seveas> dmb062082, guile-1.6-libs libguile-ltdl-1 libqthreads-12
[10:53] <sam3773> Any idea why my web browser won't load things any more, it did just a min ago and has stopped suddenly..
[10:53] <Bad_Magic> =P
[10:53] <fmasi> hi i have a x server problem in my ubuntu 5.04 whith a radeon mobility x700
[10:53] <Jowi> good evening all
[10:53] <dmb062082> ty
[10:53] <Coburn> hi
[10:53] <fmasi> can some one help me slove it ?
[10:54] <bystander> Knelix, settings - text box
[10:54] <Bad_Magic> beyond that I couldnt tell ya, do an apt-get install and give er a shot =)
[10:54] <cyphase> sam2772, do you have backports enabled?
[10:54] <Coburn> i have just install ubuntu 5.10
[10:54] <Bad_Magic> if it has dependencies it will yell at you
[10:54] <Coburn> im satisfied
[10:54] <dmb062082> ty
[10:54] <dmb062082> later
[10:54] <cyphase> sam3773, it's not loading, right?
[10:54] <Coburn> but i dont understand how to lunch mp3
[10:54] <cyphase> firefox
[10:55] <Seveas> !tell Coburn about mp3
[10:55] <Knelix> bystander: I see how to turn trans. on or off, but not in degrees.
[10:55] <bystander> Knelix, turn on "tint" and play with the settings
[10:56] <crtr> !tell crtr about mp3
[10:56] <Coburn> yes but where i m going to get package necessary?
[10:56] <fmasi> can some one help me whith my x config
[10:56] <n3t0> Seveas, pvt?
[10:56] <fmasi> x is not starting
[10:57] <Knelix2> bystander: I do not see any effect. Oh, well.
[10:57] <puterfixer> gentlemen, I need a bit of help. I'm trying to get my TV tuner working in Hoary, but I need to download the most recent sources from the CVS and compile them. what packages do I need to download for this? development? linux kernel sources? I'm pretty much a linux noob, be gentle ;)
[10:57] <bystander> Knelix, move the "tint" bars with transparency and tinting turned on
[10:58] <kemik> puterfixer:  to compile youll need "build-essential" at least
[10:58] <Bad_Magic> anyone know how to tell my laptop to hibernate automatically when the screen is closed?
[10:58] <Jowi> fmasi: did you try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" ?
[10:58] <kemik> (sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[10:58] <Beryllium> kemik: You know, that didn't actually install anything for me. No bison, no gcc ...
[10:58] <bystander> Knelix, you have to click "OK" to see the changes
[10:58] <fmasi>  no gona do it as root nowJowi
[10:58] <benuk> hey
[10:58] <nlindblad> does the standard Ubuntu Linux-kernel have VFAT-support (both read and write) ?
[10:58] <puterfixer> build-essential, check. anything else?
[10:59] <benuk> im just trying to use
[10:59] <kemik> puterfixer:  it'll complain if you cant compile
[10:59] <benuk> ubuntu on my system but i cannot install it
[10:59] <Jowi> fmasi: that will reconfigure X. it got plenty of options but if you read carefully it is not a big deal.
[10:59] <ZeroA4> nlindblad, Yes
[10:59] <kemik> puterfixer:  and from there i guess you can determine what you need.. linux-headers possibly
[10:59] <hajiki> Anyone on Breezy have a hard time updating this morning?
[10:59] <durt> bad_magic: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-37506.html
[10:59] <puterfixer> ok, gotcha
[10:59] <benuk> cant even use the mono live cd based on the ubuntu live cd
[10:59] <puff> Hm;
[10:59] <Tonio0505> does any one know how to reinstall the terminal, because for some reason every time i try to use it, it says that the file isnt found
[10:59] <funkyHat> hajiki, i had no problems
[11:00] <nlindblad> ZeroA4: my fried is on Ubuntu now, he is having a hard time getting his mp3-player to mount properly so that he can write to it
[11:00] <puterfixer> I hope I won't need to compile the kernel too, seems to have support for saa7134 module
[11:00] <benuk> i get an error : ohci_hcd 0000:00:13.1
[11:00] <puff> Hm; doing apt-get update && apt-get upgrade:  WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[11:00] <fmasi> Jowi thx gona try now
[11:00] <kemik> nlindblad:  what's the error ?
[11:00] <puterfixer> do I need anything extra for cvs or make?
[11:00] <Tonio0505> i would be very greatful if any one would like to help
[11:00] <hajiki> funkyHat, damn,im having trouble with x-common package, it cant verify it for some reason.
[11:00] <benuk> it is with the usb stuff
[11:00] <kemik> puff:  disable backports/extras
[11:00] <ZeroA4> nlindblad, What is his mp3-player like ?
[11:00] <Lars_G> Tonio0505: "the terminal" ??
[11:00] <fmasi> Jowi when i instal it every thing was ok but then at reboot x wont display enny thing but black screan
[11:01] <benuk> unlink after no-irq.  different acpi or apic settings may help
[11:01] <Tonio0505> yeah
[11:01] <kemik> puterfixer:  build-ess should include make
[11:01] <benuk> i dont know what they are
[11:01] <nlindblad> ZeroA4: Iriver 1090
[11:01] <Tonio0505> it isnt there
[11:01] <benuk> please help!
[11:01] <puff> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2467
[11:01] <Lars_G> Tonio0505: what do you mean with the terminal? please?
[11:01] <puterfixer> great, thanks kemik
[11:01] <puff> kemik: Okay.  Why?
[11:01] <Tonio0505> i have the root terminal but the regular terminal is like gone
[11:01] <funkyHat> hajiki, try a different mirror - i've had no end of problems using the central repositories
[11:01] <ZeroA4> nlindblad, What is one "Iriver 1090" like ?
[11:01] <tristanmike> can someone please help me...
[11:01] <puff> kemik: What are extras?
[11:01] <Lars_G> Tonio0505: just run a terminal, alt-f2 and run "xterm" or "gnome-terminal"
[11:01] <hajiki> funkyHat, ill give that a shot, thanks for the advise
[11:01] <Jowi> fmasi: yeah, something's not right. try the command i gave you. if it does not help, let us know.
[11:02] <cyphase> Anyone else having problems with Firefox?
[11:02] <nlindblad> ZeroA4: flashbased, USB-2.0, 256MiB vfat-compatible storage space
[11:02] <puterfixer> which version, cyphase ?
[11:02] <Slarti-> nope
[11:02] <cyphase> puterfixer, the latest upgrade
[11:02] <cyphase> 1.0.7
[11:02] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, sup?
[11:02] <kemik> !extras
[11:02] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, extras is For extra repositories, check out http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[11:02] <benuk> please please help
[11:02] <Seveas> cyphase, only if you use backports
[11:02] <puterfixer> ah. I'm downloading it now, will let you know if I get in trouble.
[11:02] <cyphase> yea, i know
[11:03] <ZeroA4> nlindblad, There is a guide here of how to mount a vfat http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountfat
[11:03] <tristanmike> GnuKemist, thank you, I was gettting help from deFrysk earlier but he left and now I don't have Firefox anymore
[11:03] <kemik> puff:  but in your case, disable that from sources.list if it's added.. along with backports...
[11:03] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, fill me in
[11:03] <puterfixer> what problems? have you tried deleting/moving the default profile and letting it create it again?
[11:03] <kemik> !backports
[11:03] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[11:03] <nalioth> y'all be good
[11:03] <cyphase> tritanmike, http://cyphase.homelinux.com/blog/
[11:03] <benuk> anyone???
[11:03] <cyphase> i posted a fix for it
[11:03] <Seveas> benuk, 'sup?
[11:03] <ZeroA4> nlindblad, but you have to know here is it... like /dev/sda1 os something like that
[11:03] <GnuKemist> benuk, sup?
[11:03] <benuk> :'(
[11:03] <Jowi> nlindblad: my /etc/fstab has got this entry for my mp3. change as needed: /dev/sda1       /media/mp3 vfat defaults,user,umask=000      0       0
[11:04] <nlindblad> ZeroA4: I know my Linux dude
[11:04] <ZeroA4> nlindblad, Ok :)
[11:04] <benuk> i get an error : ohci_hcd 0000:00:13.1   unlink after no-irq.  different acpi or apic settings may help
[11:04] <Chii_Chan> stupid file oem6.inf doesnt even reference the driver I need for my lan card
[11:04] <tristanmike> GnuKemist, ok, I tried to update firefox earlier and I was getting errors, people said it was cause I was using backports, anyway, I was told to sudo apt-get remove --purge firefox firefox firefox-gnome-support mozilla-firefox mozilla-firefox-gnome-support sudo apt-get remove --purge firefox firefox firefox-gnome-support mozilla-firefox mozilla-firefox-gnome-support and that's done but that's where I'm at....
[11:04] <benuk> when trying to run mono live cd
[11:05] <Tonio0505> thanks Lars_G
[11:05] <kemik> nlindblad:  you still have not described your problem beyond "i cant mount" .... you really should give more info if you want proper help
[11:05] <benuk> when i try and install breezy it just hangs at /etc/hotplug/usb.rc
[11:05] <Tonio0505> Lars_G i dont know why the icon in the system tools list dissapeared
[11:05] <benuk> the error in mono occurs during setting up usb
[11:05] <cyphase> tristanmike, no need wo purge. see my post, it'll tell you exactly what you need to do
[11:05] <cyphase> to purge*
[11:05] <Lars_G> Tonio0505: No idea, sorry
[11:05] <Jowi> tristanmike: same here. it is solved by first removing firefox totally. after that has finished - install firefox again. be sure to backup .mozilla just-in-case.
[11:05] <_jason> alright guys thanks for all the help, cya
[11:05] <puff> kemik:  Ah, okay, I hadn't been using extras, but I'll make a note of that.
[11:06] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, I'm assuming you added a new repository for firefox 1.0.7?
[11:06] <tristanmike> Jowi, too late to back up, now, but I'm a moron and I don't know how
[11:06] <nlindblad> kemik: well, I'm not the one experiencing the problem, a friend of mine is, and he doen't remember any error messages because it was a month since he tried
[11:06] <nlindblad> kemik: I can't tell you things about his problems that HE doesn't know, now can I?
[11:06] <bimberi> tristanmike: make sure you comment out any backports repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list before updating reinstalling
[11:06] <puterfixer> getting some errors while installing firefox 1.0.7
[11:06] <kemik> nlindblad:  pretty pointless to ask about it then ;)
[11:06] <GnuKemist> benuk, hummm...  something related to your cd...  what do you mean you get the error in mono?
[11:06] <cyphase> you don't need to disable backports
[11:06] <Jowi> tristanmike: my .mozilla directory did not change anyway, but just to be on the safe side. i managed just a couple of hours ago. remove completely. then install. do NOT upgrade.
[11:06] <tristanmike> GnuKemist, ok, back in June I installed Ubuntu and by the help of the forums I installed all I needed. Few issuses here and there everything was fine until today
[11:07] <nlindblad> kemik: my first question was actually if vfat was supported by the standard-kernel
[11:07] <Seveas> benuk, try acpi=off as boot parameter
[11:07] <kemik> puff:  not using old backports either ? or other repositories ?
[11:07] <kemik> it is
[11:07] <durt> how do you change the drop down menu color in opera? ive tryed playing with qtconfig but to now avail
[11:07] <tristanmike> cyphase, which post??
[11:07] <QMario> Are any of you guys going to be affected by Hurricane Rita?
[11:07] <cyphase> tristanmike, latest post at http://cyphase.homelinux.com/
[11:07] <benuk> Seveas: That likly to help as i need to reboot to do it (only got one machine)
[11:07] <kemik> QMario:  ubuntu-offtopic please
[11:08] <fmasi> Jowi it whorked
[11:08] <tristanmike> GnuKemist, I did my repos from Ubuntuguide from the advice of the mods on the forums
[11:08] <QMario> Kemik, okay.
[11:08] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, http://cyphase.homelinux.com/blog/
[11:08] <QMario> Sorry, and hello. :)
[11:08] <tristanmike> bimberi, I don't understand
[11:08] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, seems to be all there
[11:08] <fmasi> Now i have another problem a bit strange
[11:08] <cyphase> yea, but http://cyphase.homelinux.com/ redirects to http://cyphase.homelinux.com/blog/
[11:08] <cyphase> :)
[11:08] <kemik> QMario:  np and hi ;)
[11:08] <tristanmike> GnuKemist, I don't have firefox, remember
[11:08] <cyphase> use epiphany
[11:09] <cyphase> or another browser
[11:09] <puterfixer> the automatic upgrade installed (or tried to install) firefox 1.0.7, but it encountered two errors. may/should I paste the errors here?
[11:09] <Revan999> can someone help I was trying out the live cd and it said something along the lines: "displayed device is not configured right, please configure it and restart X , if problems prosist please vist *someweb site here about X" and make sure you have the latest version"
[11:09] <Lars_G> or konqueror if you have kde
[11:09] <fmasi> in my leptop when system start my keybord whot whork unkes i press a specifik key
[11:09] <fmasi> when i pres that key thing start whoirking
[11:09] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[11:09] <fmasi> like if it was a keybord on key
[11:09] <cyphase> tristanmike, i'll post it in #flood for you
[11:09] <bimberi> tristanmike: if you have repos from ubuntuguide then you need to "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" and comment out any lines with backports in it
[11:09] <tristanmike> cyphase, I appreciate the advice, but I am happy with firefox for now, I don't want to go doing and using things I'm not comfortable with yet, I'm still a Linux baby
[11:09] <Jowi> fmasi: glad to hear it
[11:09] <cyphase> just the comman line section
[11:09] <Seveas> Revan999, how old is that live cd?
[11:10] <GnuKemist> bimberi, but I think he wants 1.0.7
[11:10] <cyphase> tristanmike, i don't mean switch
[11:10] <tristanmike> bimberi, why?
[11:10] <cyphase> i mean to view the post only
[11:10] <Revan999> came with the 5.04 cd that arrived today
[11:10] <cyphase> firefox is the best :)
[11:10] <alnr> why do i get 'sudo: cd: command not found' for sudo cd <anypath>. eg cd command is ok as root
[11:10] <bimberi> tristanmike, GnuKemist: sry, please ignore me if you want 1.0.7
[11:10] <cyphase> tristanmike, posting in #flood now..
[11:10] <tristanmike> cyphase, right, sorry, didn't mean anything, i just meant if I don't know how to install firefox, I won't know how to install ephipany or whatever
[11:10] <Seveas> Can any KDE lover lend me his experience with multimedia for a second?
[11:10] <fmasi> some one use ubuntu in a acer leptop ?
[11:10] <Lars_G> Seveas: Yes?
[11:10] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, get lynx when you have a chance... for the next time  ;)
[11:10] <Seveas> Lars_G, pm?
[11:11] <Lars_G> Seveas: Go ahead
[11:11] <Chii_Chan> ugh... brb
[11:11] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, I suggest you learn about apt-get and synaptics for your own benefit
[11:11] <tristanmike> GnuKemist, I am trying believe me, I like to learn
[11:12] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, I believe you
[11:12] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, glad to know you're here trying it too
[11:12] <tristanmike> GnuKemist, I kinda understand the basics, but it's still shaky ground for me
[11:13] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, been there, done that...  hang in there and visit this channel as often as you can
[11:13] <puterfixer> gentlemen, I can't upgrade to firefox 1.0.7 because I'm getting two errors about overwriting two files... can this be fixed?
[11:13] <Seveas> puterfixer, /topic
[11:13] <kemik> dont think this channel actually "heightens" competence by just hanging around
[11:13] <tristanmike> GnuKemist, I just sit in here and watch to learn but it's hard unless I have the problem :P
[11:13] <kemik> alot of the same Q's over and over again
[11:13] <spola> is the firefox i have in ubuntu (1.0.2 (Ubuntu package 1.0.2 MFSA2005-44)) vulnurable to the latest stew of exploits ive seen advertised on slashdot? they look kinda scary
[11:14] <puterfixer> err, sorry :) answer was staring at me, heh. thanks Seveas
[11:14] <kemik> (how do i mount ntfs, where is my sound... i installed breezy help!)
[11:14] <cyphase> spola, 1.0.2 is kinda old..
[11:14] <cyphase> are you on warty?
[11:14] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:14] <Lars_G> spola: All firefoxes bellow 1.0.7 are vulnerable.
[11:14] <GnuKemist> kemik, true...
[11:14] <Seveas> kemik: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[11:14] <cyphase> spola, are you on warty?
[11:14] <tristanmike> GnuKemist, ?? what? I don't understand
[11:14] <Seveas> tristanmike, ubuntuguide.org sucks and is down too
[11:14] <spola> im not on breezy, the one before that
[11:14] <cyphase> hoary
[11:15] <cyphase> ok
[11:15] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, try that site when you get firefox up
[11:15] <cyphase> why do you have 1.0.2 then?
[11:15] <tristanmike> Seveas, see how confused I am
[11:15] <cyphase> it should be 1.0.7 now
[11:15] <Jowi> yeah spola you should upgrade
[11:15] <kemik> Seveas:  i know, i know ;) i dont use that script tho.. added it myself in fstab... just said what was the most common quiestions in here
[11:15] <GnuKemist> Seveas, how so?
[11:15] <quinten> is 5.10pr ready for mainstream use?
[11:15] <Seveas> kemik, ah, i had a weird feeling about it already ;)
[11:15] <cyphase> no
[11:15] <cyphase> quinten, it's testing right now
[11:15] <Seveas> GnuKemist, because it has bad instructions no explanations and generally ruins things
[11:15] <tristanmike> Sill no firefox.....
[11:16] <cyphase> tristanmike, then you have a special case i think
[11:16] <spola> i dont like to upgrade (i came from gentoo), but okay ... but this better not fubar anything !
[11:16] <misfit_toy>  my xorg got jacked after the recent updates, and I have had to edit my xorg.conf... however it appears that it points to /dev/input/mice for the mouse (which I didn't change), and I tried changing it to /dev/input/mouse1 but get no mouse action, where is the actual mouse device file located?
[11:16] <Seveas> quinten, no
[11:16] <quinten> cyphase: yeah i know that, just wondering how unstable it is. release is due in a month, right?
[11:16] <GnuKemist> Seveas, for a newbie, I'd have to agree... but it is the only one I know
[11:16] <Seveas> misfit_toy, update again
[11:16] <tristanmike> cyphase, it starts to load, then dissapears
[11:16] <cyphase> quinten, less :)
[11:16] <nightair> x-common conflict with Breezy update package, anyone mentioned here yet?
[11:16] <misfit_toy> Seveas I have
[11:16] <misfit_toy> no updates
[11:16] <Seveas> that specific bug was fixed one or two days ago
[11:16] <Seveas> nightair, yes, we're waiting for a new update...
[11:16] <quinten> so i guess my question could be answered by the number of RC bugs left
[11:16] <nightair> Seveas, thanks. cool
[11:17] <puterfixer> Seveas, "stop using backports" doesn't help me much... what do I need to do? I removed the two backports listed in repositories and refreshed everything. still won't install.
[11:17] <quinten> i have to do a new install, wondering if i can get away with install 5.10 instead of 5.04
[11:17] <Seveas> quinten, as you can see, there are still some bugs floating around ;)
[11:17] <kemik> GnuKemist:  with breezy there will be an official FAQ/Guide... (hopefully they'll overwrite/delete ubuntuguide.org ;) )
[11:17] <spola> uhm ... ubuntu reports my system as being up-to-date?!
[11:17] <Seveas> puterfixer, you need to remove the backports packages too
[11:17] <Seveas> that'll cost some time
[11:17] <GnuKemist> kemik, hehehe... will keep my eyes open
[11:17] <puterfixer> how do I do that?
[11:17] <tristanmike> Can no one help me?
[11:17] <Seveas> puterfixer, http://cyphase.homelinux.com/blog/
[11:18] <Lars_G> Seveas: What's so wrong with backports? did they break overnight? since lots of people seem to have them, and lots of people are needing to remove them
[11:18] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, try removing the backports and refreshing apt-get?
[11:18] <puterfixer> thank you, Seveas.
[11:18] <Seveas> Lars_G, the firefox backports have always been broken
[11:18] <Seveas> and are ruining all updates in hoary
[11:18] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, if the help posted on cyphase's blog doesn't help
[11:18] <Lars_G> Seveas: Ok.
[11:18] <quinten> damn. how unstable, and with which parts? all i need is a browser + word processor
[11:18] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, go baclk to stable
[11:19] <puterfixer> it would be great if firefox worked, heh. I guess I'll remove it completely.
[11:19] <Lars_G> Seveas: Right now then the only solution for 1.0.7 is getting the bin off mozilla.org? for hoary?
[11:19] <Seveas> Lars_G, no
[11:19] <tristanmike> GnuKemist, I just reinstalled the main firefox packs
[11:19] <Lars_G> Seveas: Elaborate please
[11:19] <Seveas> the solution is to remove backports crap and install the official package
[11:19] <Seveas> that is 1.0.7 too
[11:19] <tristanmike> GnuKemist, how do I update apt?
[11:19] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, 1.0.6?
[11:19] <cyphase> Lars_G, what's your problem?
[11:19] <cyphase> it isn't loading?
[11:19] <walde> Hello. I have a problem with subversion. I used a file-repository with gentoo (I have no clue about the special file-version). When I try to access the file-repository with theubuntu-subversion, I get the error-message that db-4.2 dosnt meet the requirements. I havent found any backports only messages about there cant exist any backports. I hope for a better answer here :-)
[11:19] <tristanmike> GnuKemist, no 1.0.7
[11:19] <Lars_G> Seveas: 1.0.7 is on security ups to hoary already?
[11:19] <Lars_G> Seveas: Nice
[11:19] <moparfan90> hello i am going to buy a print this weekend and want to know if theres are alot that are NOT supported so i know which to buy. is theree a list or something?
[11:19] <nightair> 1.0.7 firefox what's wrong with it? mine seems fine. arrived in Breezy updates yesterday I think it was
[11:19] <Lars_G> walde: My problem is that I am a freak.
[11:19] <Seveas> Lars_G, since tonight
[11:19] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, I don't beliebe 107 is stable yet
[11:20] <Seveas> Lars_G, :)
[11:20] <Lars_G> cyphase: Sorry that was for you, not for walde
[11:20] <Lars_G> Seveas: Thank you
[11:20] <cyphase> Lars_G, i see
[11:20] <cyphase> :)
[11:20] <quinten> maybe i'll dl the live cd and play around w/it for a while
[11:20] <walde> Lars_G, for some seconts... I was confused :-)
[11:20] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, apt-get update
[11:20] <walde> Lars_G, aeeh seconds
[11:20] <Lars_G> walde: That's because I am a freak, and this time it IS for you
[11:21] <tristanmike> GnuKemist, ok, now what?
[11:21] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, make sure to comment out the backport source
[11:21] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, did u do that?
[11:21] <tristanmike> GnuKemist, I did
[11:21] <GnuKemist> k
[11:22] <feralgirl> are there an ubuntu/linux gurus here willing at answer a couple questions? i'm thinking of changing from windows to linux and i need some help
[11:22] <tristanmike> GnuKemist, I get the little "Starting Firefox Browser" down on my bar, and then it dissapears. I know it's running in the background cause it shows up in system monitor
[11:22] <GnuKemist> now, apt-get remove firefox
[11:22] <cyphase> feralgirl, sure
[11:22] <jpoe> Hey, I have a question ... how does Ubuntu/Canonical financially sustain itself?
[11:22] <jpoe> I can't even find a donate link on their website...
[11:22] <Lars_G> jpoe: Aparently, magic.
[11:22] <othernoob> jpoe: they sell drugs..
[11:22] <jpoe> hah
[11:22] <GnuKemist> hehehe
[11:22] <feralgirl> cyphase: okay, should i pm you?
[11:22] <spola> jpoe, they pimp me out
[11:22] <cyphase> feralgirl, sure
[11:22] <bystander> jpoe, mark Shutleworth has a lot of money ;)
[11:22] <Lars_G> jpoe: On lonely nights Seveas sells his body to sailors
[11:23] <Seveas> jpoe, Mark Shuttleworth is filthy rich
[11:23] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, ?
[11:23] <jpoe> Grin, I know it was Shuttleworth who began it all .. but surely it can't sustain itself forever off of him ..
[11:23] <Seveas> and he spends an awful lot of money on it
[11:23] <tristanmike> GnuKemist, yes?
[11:23] <Seveas> jpoe, canonical does provide commercial ubuntu support
[11:23] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, done?
[11:23] <kemik> haha omg.. i just fubared my mozilla
[11:23] <Lars_G> jpoe: I pray it eventually is self sustained, Ubuntu is too good to see it dissapear.
[11:24] <apokryphos> jpoe: it certainly can for a long time
[11:24] <Lars_G> kemik: Welcome to the club
[11:24] <fmasi> hi i usa adsl in ubuntu to conec to the net and i usad to rp-pppoe and like to know if ther is enny way to usa it under ubuntu?
[11:24] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Depends on how many ubuntu cds you order.
[11:24] <jpoe> Yeah, its the first time I've ever switch and stuck with it .. now I can't imaging going back ..
[11:24] <apokryphos> jpoe: and it's not so much the case now that it relies on him for its existence. Ubuntu is big.
[11:24] <tristanmike> GnuKemist, Package firefox has no installation candidate
[11:24] <jpoe> I kinda wish they had a way to donate ..
[11:24] <Lars_G> jpoe: Welcome to the club, love for Ubuntu is a natural thing.
[11:24] <apokryphos> tristanmike: mozilla-firefox
[11:24] <Lars_G> tristanmike: mozilla-firefox
[11:24] <Seveas> apokryphos, well.... without canonical Ubuntu would have a very hard time
[11:24] <Seveas> jpoe, there is
[11:24] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, maybe mozilla-firefox
[11:25] <jpoe> I couldn't give much, but I would like to give something back ..
[11:25] <borgista> I am on Breezy and when I run "sudo dhclient ath0" I get a lot of messages about "Permisison Denied"
[11:25] <borgista> any ideas?
[11:25] <Seveas> jpoe, the best donation is to participate in the community
[11:25] <jpoe> I almost feel bad for ordering the free cds .. heh
[11:25] <borgista> It's for a wireless pci card.
[11:25] <Seveas> !participate
[11:25] <ubotu> hmm... participate is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/participate
[11:25] <hd420> Is archive.ubuntu.com down?
[11:25] <Lars_G> jpoe: Only feel bad if you hoard them. I gave away half of mine already
[11:25] <apokryphos> nope
[11:25] <lorenzod> Hm.. can somebody please confirm or deny a oddity in Rhythmbox?
[11:25] <jpoe> Yeah, same here ..
[11:25] <Seveas> and the ubuntu main page has a big "Donations" link in the menu on the right :)
[11:25] <puterfixer> yay, it worked!!
[11:25] <borgista> Anybody have any experience w/ dhclient?
[11:26] <borgista> I've had it work last time.
[11:26] <lorenzod> Or is it the case that nobody uses rb?
[11:26] <Seveas> borgista, any Ubuntu user with dhcp has
[11:26] <Lars_G> borgista: What experience do you need? basically you run "dhclient <iface>" and it works....
[11:26] <spola> why is it that ubuntu "can't" distribute mp3 playing software while Suse seems to have no problem with it?
[11:26] <borgista> Well...it's not working with me.
[11:26] <tristanmike> GnuKemist, ok, so I sudo'd remove, then install mozilla-firefox
[11:26] <borgista> I get a lot of "Permission Denied" errors.
[11:26] <Lars_G> borgista: Btw you shouldn't be running dhclient by hand, ideally you need to configure your interface in the corresponding place.
[11:26] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, wait
[11:26] <bystander> spola, they pay for the privilege
[11:26] <tristanmike> GnuKemist, no, it's fixed,
[11:26] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, try something for me
[11:26] <Lars_G> borgista: "sudo" dude, "sudo"
[11:26] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, ohhh
[11:26] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, cool
[11:27] <othernoob> are there any other CLI burning programs besides cdrdao and cdrecord?
[11:27] <tristanmike> GnuKemist, for now, hehehe
[11:27] <hd420> must be my fscking isp
[11:27] <GnuKemist> tristanmike, hehehe
[11:27] <hd420> othernoob: dd?
[11:27] <deviant> hello guys
[11:27] <borgista> I dude use "SUDO"
[11:27] <tristanmike> GnuKemist, and it starts up uber-fast
[11:27] <borgista> i did "sudo dhclient ath0"
[11:27] <Lars_G> borgista: Sorry sir :)
[11:27] <GnuKemist> borgista, lower case
[11:27] <steffan> moin moin
[11:27] <borgista> still the errors.
[11:27] <borgista> i know, lowercase.
[11:27] <tristanmike> THANKS ALL!
[11:27] <fmasi> What is the ubuntu utility for adsl ?
[11:27] <Lars_G> borgista: ath0 or eth0?
[11:28] <borgista> here are some of the errors.
[11:28] <Jowi> ...speaking of rhythmbox, how do i make it play wav files? it sort of refuse to import them...
[11:28] <borgista> for ath0
[11:28] <Seveas> fmasi, pppoeconf
[11:28] <spola> so every distro with mp3 support pays for it? i find it hard to belive that
[11:28] <borgista> and I brought up the atho with "sudo ifconfig ath0 up"
[11:28] <steffan> jemand erfahrung mit der DWL-610 ???
[11:28] <tristanmike> I guess that's why they say the Backports can break your machine eh?
[11:28] <fmasi> cant i usa adsl-setup ?
[11:28] <Lars_G> borgista: ... I've never seen an ath0 interface in linux yet.... try with eth0
[11:28] <borgista> errors: SIOCSIFADDR: Permission Denied
[11:28] <deviant> can somebody help me with an error in dpkg pls ?
[11:28] <borgista> it's for my wireless card Lars_G
[11:28] <othernoob> hd420: uhm, the dd manpage isn't that great..
[11:28] <yaaar> word
[11:28] <Seveas> steffan, in #ubuntu spricht mann englisch, #ubuntu-de fuer deutsch bitt
[11:28] <Seveas> e
[11:28] <borgista> SIOCSIFFLAGS: Permission Denied
[11:29] <fmasi> Seveas is it bether the rp-ppoe ?
[11:29] <Lars_G> borgista: Ok, sorry first time I see that interface naming conv.
[11:29] <Seveas> yaaar, no, OpenOffice.org
[11:29] <abarbaccia> hey all - breezy questions - or comments - if i found a bug where do i submit it, and who do i talk to about packages not instaling correctly?
[11:29] <spola> even then, if it is possible for end users to install the support libs legally, then surely the ubuntu team could come up with a nice legal lil clickable button to automate this process?
[11:29] <Seveas> fmasi, I wouldn't know :)
[11:29] <GnuKemist> borgista, is the device configured?
[11:29] <Seveas> abarbaccia, see /topic
[11:29] <borgista> Yes, it is. I setup essid, the channel, ec.
[11:29] <GnuKemist> borgista, ath0 is wifi right?
[11:29] <borgista> etc*
[11:29] <kemik> Lars_G:  you have a repos / link to 1.0.6 version ?
[11:29] <Seveas> and if it's the x-common bug: already known
[11:29] <borgista> Yes, it is. GnuKemist
[11:29] <Lars_G> kemik: ? nope.
[11:30] <GnuKemist> borgista, try to reset it
[11:30] <Jowi> fmasi: roaringpenguin (rp-pppoe) is ok. basicly the same functionalities.
[11:30] <GnuKemist> borgista, essid any, key off... then set them... dhclient
[11:30] <borgista> Reset it? Run through iwconfig again, you mean?
[11:30] <borgista> ok.
[11:30] <borgista> Will do.
[11:30] <Lars_G> If it's a pcmcia
[11:30] <borgista> Be back with the results soon.
[11:30] <Lars_G> check the status with cardctl
[11:30] <kemik> Lars_G:  and  you've not gotten firefox back&running ?
[11:30] <deviant> Seveas: can i ask you something pls ?
[11:30] <Lars_G> kemik: I'm still using 1.0.6
[11:31] <Lars_G> kemik: From before the update, I've not updated yet.
[11:31] <fmasi> what is the equivalent to adsl-start and adsl-stop ?
[11:31] <Seveas> deviant, mais bien sr :)
[11:31] <Lars_G> kemik: Plus the 1.0.7 in the offitial repos should work.
[11:31] <Lars_G> Seveas: you're a box of surprises
[11:32] <borgista> GnuKemist, same errors.
[11:32] <borgista> What is odd is that it worked perfectly the first time with Breezy.
[11:32] <Beryllium> what's iwconfig?
[11:32] <kemik> Lars_G:  only got the official repos. added
[11:32] <kemik> Lars_G:  it installs, but refuses to 'start' ....
[11:32] <borgista> iwconfig helps you config your wifi card.
[11:32] <Beryllium> oh, cool
[11:32] <GnuKemist> borgista, dunno
[11:32] <Beryllium> I've never done wifi under Linux
[11:32] <Lars_G> kemik: What's the error if you start it from command line?
[11:32] <Beryllium> Did it under Windows a few times, it always seemed kinda ... flakey ... even in XP
[11:33] <borgista> Breezy auto-detected my card, which is nice.
[11:33] <deviant> Seveas: could you please past me your sources.list file. i`ve deleted mine by mistake :( and my damn firefox ain` working (i read the topic) so i can`t brows for repositories on the web
[11:33] <Lars_G> borgista: Is it a pcmcia?
[11:33] <borgista> It is PCI.
[11:33] <kemik> Lars_G:  no error
[11:33] <feralgirl> i'm not experienced at IRC so if there's anyone willing to answer quite a few questions about ubuntu/linux, could you AIM me at wolfdragon2848 or ICQ 129365036
[11:33] <Seveas> !tell deviant about sources
[11:33] <kemik> Lars_G:  nothing happens, tahts all
[11:33] <Lars_G> kemik: It just doesn't runs?
[11:33] <kemik> mmh
[11:33] <Lars_G> kemik: I'd tell you to strace it, but that'd be more confusing than helping.
[11:33] <kevogod> feralgirl, Is there no reason why you cannot simply ask the questions here?
[11:33] <Seveas> ah, read Seveas you foo, he can't browse...
[11:33] <kemik> it shows in ps aux
[11:33] <fmasi> Jowi what is the equivalent to adls-start in the utility that comes whith ubuntu ?
[11:33] <deviant> Seveas: i`ve just said my damn firefox ain`t workin` :(
[11:34] <feralgirl> i suppose i could but i'm sort of getting a sensory overload
[11:34] <deviant> fmasi: pon, poff ??
[11:34] <Seveas> deviant, breezy or hoary sources?
[11:34] <misfit_toy> Seveas ok, you said "update" to fix that xorg prob but you meant "upgrade" right?
[11:34] <yaaar> anybody know why k3b is telling me mp3's are an unsupported format?
[11:34] <yaaar> seems like this used to work fine....
[11:34] <kemik> Lars_G:  resolved it ... somehow it was running a firefox process in the background.... killed it and restarted firefox
[11:34] <deviant> Seveas: hoary
[11:34] <Jowi> fmasi: good question. i think that pppoeconf adds the startup scripts automatically after configuration. only done it once and it worked fine...
[11:34] <CaptainBah> we have a proliant g4 with a xeon processor. installed using the i386 cd. how best to upgrade to xeon kernel?
[11:35] <Seveas> deviant, sudo wget http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d969 -O /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:35] <Jowi> fmasi: i'm not on pppoe connection here
[11:35] <Lars_G> kemik: You had a firefox process hung, yes. it detects the process and thinks it's already up. sorry it didn't come to mind.
[11:35] <kemik> Lars_G:  thx for reminding me of the CLI ;)
[11:35] <fmasi> Jowi ok thx
[11:35] <Lars_G> kemik: Np
[11:35] <Seveas> that overwrites your sources.list with the official one
[11:35] <fmasi> Jowi its becouse i usad the rp-pppoe for years
[11:35] <Lars_G> Seveas: I personally think netselect-apt should be a default install in any Ubuntu
[11:35] <borgista> Ok. I'm going to the DHCP site for anwers...thanks for the help.
[11:35] <Seveas> Lars_G, afaik it is, but broken
[11:35] <Lars_G> Seveas: Broken? how?
[11:36] <fmasi> Some one from brasil hear ?
[11:36] <Seveas> wrong repo urls :)
[11:36] <Jowi> fmasi: yeah, same here up until a year and a half ago when i got dsl2. no login/dialup required. :)
[11:36] <Seveas> fmasi, #ubuntu-br is full of brazilians
[11:36] <Bergcube> QUERY feralgirl
[11:36] <Bergcube> +/ of course
[11:36] <fmasi> ok thx
[11:36] <Lars_G> Seveas: Last time I asked I was told it pulled Ubuntu's repos.... if I remember who it was I'd spank them
[11:36] <fmasi> Jowi i love to have adsl2 lol
[11:36] <Bergcube> Seveas~ Yeah, I needed it...
[11:36] <borgista> Where are all the network interface conf files?
[11:36] <misfit_toy> Seveas ok, you said "update" to fix that xorg prob but you meant "upgrade" right? then I get an xorg.font dpkg error
[11:36] <Seveas> Lars_G, I may very well be wrong too
[11:36] <Lars_G> Seveas: Wouldn't it be saffer to pull it off the repos until it is patched?
[11:37] <Seveas> misfit_toy, yeah, currently xorg-common is busted
[11:37] <Lars_G> Seveas: Let's do something, I'll install it from repo, and tell you where it gets the list
[11:37] <deviant> Seveas: thanks
[11:37] <Seveas> Lars_G, be my guest :)
[11:37] <misfit_toy> Seveas ah ok, thanks
[11:37] <Lars_G> Seveas: Do you have a nice house?
[11:37] <Seveas> Lars_G, don't take things so literally :p
[11:38] <Lars_G> Seveas: Damn: url="http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full"
[11:38] <Lars_G> Seveas: Seems you're right.
[11:38] <Seveas> file a bug ;)
[11:38] <Lars_G> Yup
[11:38] <deviant> oh shoot :(
[11:38] <Jowi> fmasi: it is quite impressive. i'm with free.fr and they support everything. even their manuals tell how to compile the linux-kernel for proper support if needed. no ports blocked.
[11:38] <Lars_G> or let me see if we have a maintainer over in ubuntu yet, and contact hir
[11:39] <fmasi> Jowi you from france
[11:39] <Seveas> Lars_G, the maintainers usually don't talk much in this channel
[11:39] <Bergcube> feralgirl~ I tried adding you in AIM, but that went belly-up.  So I sent you a direct message here in IRC.  Just so you know...
[11:39] <fmasi> Jowi I french and bresilian
[11:39] <Lars_G> Seveas: No, but theyr emails are usually published for contact
[11:39] <deviant> Seveas: can i query you for just a minute ?
[11:39] <Jowi> fmasi: nope, swedish. but i live in Paris. sortof got married :)
[11:39] <Seveas> deviant, sure
[11:39] <kemik> Jowi:  "sortof"? :P
[11:39] <Lars_G> Seveas: Only the insanely criminal, or desesperatedly in need talk here.
[11:40] <Seveas> Lars_G, well, the one listened in the package is not neccesarily the maintainer
[11:40] <fmasi> Jowi litle french girl ummmm
[11:40] <Seveas> Lars_G, so true
[11:40] <fmasi> Jowi love french girls
[11:40] <fmasi> Jowi where do you leave ?
[11:40] <Lars_G> Seveas: Damn, I want a packages.ubuntulinux.org so baddly.
[11:40] <Seveas> fmasi, #ubuntu-offtopic or a private chat please
[11:40] <kemik> this is gonna go off in a a/s/l question soon
[11:40] <Seveas> Lars_G, hint: packages.ubuntu.com
[11:40] <Jowi> kemik: yeah. never planned it. i'm actually against marriages. funny how life develops.
[11:41] <Jowi> fmasi: boulogne-billancourt, Paris.
[11:41] <feralgirl> bergcube: i got your message and i replied but i'm not sure if u got it
[11:41] <Lars_G> ohhh yes, ohhhhhhh yes
[11:41] <CaptainBah> we have a proliant g4 with a xeon processor. installed using the i386 cd. how best to upgrade to xeon kernel?
[11:41] <bystander> feralgirl, I pm ed you as well - no answer
[11:41] <Seveas> CaptainBah, sudo aptitude install linux-686
[11:41] <Jowi> 686 CaptainBah
[11:41] <Seveas> (if it's HT or SMP, use linux-686-smp)
[11:41] <Jowi> oh
[11:42] <Lars_G> Seveas: linux-686? why not linux-image?
[11:42] <Bergcube> feralgirl~ No, I didn't.  Some foul play must be afoot.  :-S
[11:42] <feralgirl> bystander: i answered you too. i don't know why i can't reply back
[11:42] <Jowi> Seveas: you're quick man
[11:42] <Lars_G> Jowi: He's the quickest
[11:42] <Seveas> Lars_G, gotta love meta packages and apt :)
[11:42] <Seveas> linux-686 depends on latest image + restricted modules
[11:42] <feralgirl> okay, okay. i also have msn and yahoo if either of you has it
[11:42] <Seveas> easy as pie to keep your kernel up to date
[11:42] <Echelon-H> is there a command to tell something to start running and ignore the returned valus?
[11:42] <Xorlev> Okay, installing a brand new install on my old rackmount, normal install, not server, AMD K6-2 786mb ram, 20gb hdd, pressed 5.04 CD, anyways I get to installing the base system and it chokes trying to install base-files as awk is missing, and base-passwd because base-files is missing and it finally dies and gives an error. Ideas?
[11:43] <Lars_G> Seveas: linux-686 is a meta for what? image headers and private modules?
[11:43] <Echelon-H> Because i have an SH script, and I need it to run sevral things, and not one at a time
[11:43] <Bergcube> feralgirl~ Did the direct messages pop up in their own windows?  (They usually do...)  If so it's normally not any harder than writing the reply in the same window.....
[11:43] <CaptainBah> will other things break if we just upgrade kernel? should we do a full install with the amd64 CD?
[11:43] <feralgirl> bergcube: a new window did appear and i did write back in it. maybe it's my client that's all screwy
[11:44] <Lars_G> Echelon-H: a) nohup detaches the command from console, sending output to a file (nohup.out). B) Adding & at the end of the command line, runs it in the background... C) you an combine A and B
[11:44] <Seveas> CaptainBah, xeon isn't amd64..
[11:44] <bystander> feralgirl, are you behind a firewall or router of some kind? Or a proxy ?
[11:44] <Sam3773> Hey, i notice Ubuntu doesn't have modprobe.conf. My router wont support IPv6, how do i turn it off in Ubuntu?
[11:44] <Bergcube> feralgirl~ Even if it sort of sounds unlikely, I think that (screwy client) must be it.....  Puzzling.
[11:45] <puff> Hm, I'm restoring files my backed up home directory, can I just copy my old .mozilla/* over ~/.mopzilla*?
[11:45] <Lars_G> Echelon-H: so. "nohup <command> &" will run it in background, under Init instead of your shell, and send all output to nohup.out (in the dir you where located when you called it)
[11:45] <feralgirl> bystander: a firewall and a router
[11:45] <Seveas> Sam3773, echo ipv6 | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[11:45] <Echelon-H> Lars_G, thanks
[11:45] <Sam3773> Cheers.
[11:45] <Lars_G> Seveas: Are there any ubuntu based lives and task specific distros out there already?
[11:45] <Seveas> no
[11:45] <Lars_G> Sad
[11:45] <Seveas> edubuntu will be out soon
[11:46] <Lars_G> It'd be nice to see Knoppix go ubuntu
[11:46] <Xorlev> Sam3773: You can edit /etc/modules I believe?
[11:46] <Seveas> hint: gnoppix
[11:46] <yonil> Hi, I'm experiencing a weird problem, my laptop used to work fine with ubuntu, but then one time i started it as usual and after all the loading, the x server didnt come up (i get a black screen). the xorg conf hasnt been changed or anything.. any ideas why this happens ?
[11:46] <bystander> feralgirl, what client are you using? I get no ctcp replies either...
[11:46] <Lars_G> Seveas: Yeh but right now I'm looking for a base sys for a traffic shapper, firewall.
[11:46] <Seveas> yonil, breezy?
[11:46] <yonil> Seveas, hoary
[11:46] <tritium> there was a gnome 2.10 live cd, Lars_G, based on ubuntu
[11:46] <feralgirl> bystander: i'm using trillian
[11:46] <Seveas> tritium, the 2.12 live cd is based on ubuntu too
[11:46] <Seveas> (afaik)
[11:47] <bystander> feralgirl, /join #bystander
[11:47] <esac> i have my router set to static dns entries (205.171.2 and 205.171.3). but everytime i boot, i end up getting 192.168.0.1 and 205.171.3, any idea how to fix it ?
[11:47] <Seveas> esac, it's a stting in your router :)
[11:47] <tritium> Seveas, hopefully so
[11:47] <ColonelKernel> esac, which router?
[11:47] <tristanmike> Since I commented out the Backports, what do I replace them with?
[11:47] <Seveas> tristanmike, nothing :)
[11:47] <esac> ColonelKernel: ActionTec DSL (qwest)
[11:48] <Jowi> esac: turn on DHCP in your router and set it up properly.
[11:48] <esac> Seveas: I set it to static dns
[11:48] <yonil> Seveas, any ideas or stuff i can check ?
[11:48] <ColonelKernel> esac, im not familiar with that router, but you should see if theres a "local dns" option in it and disable it
[11:48] <tristanmike> Seveas, lol, ok but what about the software in them, might there be something I need?
[11:48] <bystander> feralgirl, can you not join the #bystander channel either??
[11:48] <Seveas> yonil, not without more info i'm afraid
[11:48] <Seveas> tristanmike, what did you use from backports?
[11:49] <feralgirl> bystander: i just joined it
[11:49] <yonil> Seveas, what info ? i can also add that ctrl+altr+F1-6 doesn't do anything
[11:49] <bystander> feralgirl, yup ao I see :)
[11:49] <tristanmike> Seveas, see, that's thing, i don't know how to distinguish what's from the backports and what isn't, is there a way?
[11:49] <tristanmike> Seveas, I guess java and mp3, is that the backports, I installed them in june
[11:50] <Seveas> tristanmike, apt-show-versions | grep ubp
[11:50] <CaptainBah> every time we reboot the system it is prompting us to fsck, we go into sing user mode and do and fsck on the supect partitions the check report clean and yet when we reboot it stillprompts us for fsck
[11:50] <Seveas> you might need to install apt-show-versions
[11:50] <osmandemirhan> hi all, there is a problem upgrading firefox 1.0.7 packages. Does anybody give some hint to solve problem?
[11:51] <Sam3773> Since i did that the internet isn't working, infact the only things that work are the ones that were connected before like IRC..
[11:51] <crimsun> osmandemirhan: have you used backports?
[11:51] <nubbe> hehe
[11:51] <osmandemirhan> crimsun, yes
[11:51] <slack7384> osmandemirhan: did you use apt/synaptic?
[11:51] <tristanmike> Seveas, yeah, I do, sudo apt-get install apt-show-versions?
[11:51] <crimsun> osmandemirhan: if so, disable it, purge firefox*
[11:51] <kamiro87> hello
[11:52] <slack7384> kamiro87: hello
[11:52] <esac> i just checked every setting. the only dns options i see are with the DHCP section. and i have set those to force to 205.171.2 and 205.171.3 .. i had it dynamic before and it still had this problem. any ideas ?
[11:52] <Seveas> tristanmike, yes
[11:52] <osmandemirhan> crimsun, thanks
[11:52] <j-linux> Does anyone know if there is a way to download pictures in an HTML email in Evolution?  I want the default to be "no download images" but I want to override that for some.
[11:52] <kamiro87> i'm a noob and i installed ubuntu on this comp and i'm having trouble getting resolutions above 640x480
[11:53] <vbgunz> hello everyone!
[11:53] <tristanmike> Seveas, ok, so installed, and I ran that command, what is the info?
[11:53] <slack7384> kamiro87: what proc does this pc have? also what vid card does the pc have installed?
[11:53] <j-linux> kamiro87: did you try: preferences --> screen resolution?
[11:53] <kamiro87> vid card is agp intel 740
[11:54] <kamiro87> proccessor is a pentium 3 1ghz
[11:54] <tristanmike> Seveas, that' just the "Offical" stuff? if I have something not in there, it's from the backports?
[11:54] <vbgunz> does anyone know how to right-click a folder in the left side tree of Nautilus and get a command prompt menu option?
[11:54] <slack7384> kamiro87: did you try what j-linux suggested?
[11:54] <Seveas> tristanmike, apt-show-versions | grep ubp
[11:54] <kamiro87> yes wont let me go above 640x480 at 60 hertz
[11:54] <Seveas> that shows all packages installed from backports
[11:54] <puff> Btw, just for reference, what *are* the backports all about?
[11:55] <CaptainBah> when a kernel panic occurs, as it did for us with kernel 2.6.12-8-386, Ctl-Alt-Del fails, magic SysRq fails, what's the best way to get out of that situation safely?
[11:55] <slack7384> kamiro87: ok, using the sudo command can you browse to /etc/X11 directory?
[11:55] <Seveas> about trying to combine bleeding-edge with stable
[11:55] <Seveas> a fundamentally bad thing imho
[11:55] <Seveas> but some people love them
[11:55] <tristanmike> Seveas, yeah, that's what I'm saying, I ran that command, what is the info, just the "official" stuff anything else was installed via Backports or on my own, ie Americas Army
[11:55] <Seveas> the old backports, before the ubuntu backports project went official, sucked massively though
[11:55] <Seveas> that's why lots of people now have problems
[11:56] <vbgunz> Seveas? What your mean? Backports official are official now?
[11:56] <Xorlev> Meh I still get dependency problems.
[11:56] <othernoob> anyone tried installing cdrecord-prodvd?
[11:56] <Seveas> vbgunz, yes, but not the crappy things on the mirrormax-or-so archives
[11:56] <Seveas> only the ones on archive.ubuntu.com
[11:56] <slack7384> kamiro87: after you do that, type in gedit xorg.conf, and it will open up the xorg.conf file
[11:56] <vbgunz> so installing DVD codecs and libdvdcss2 is ok now?
[11:57] <Xorlev> !repositories
[11:57] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was at at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy)
[11:57] <Seveas> vbgunz, no
[11:57] <vbgunz> oh
[11:57] <Seveas> that wasn't a backport
[11:57] <Seveas> but part of hoary-extras
[11:57] <kamiro87> i trued sudo cd /etc/X11. i get sudo: cd: command not found
[11:57] <vbgunz> ahh... I still have to learn... just I am knucklehead and trying first to get Ubuntu to do my bidding...
[11:58] <Seveas> kamiro87, sudo cd is useles..
[11:58] <vbgunz> before trying to learn the bit more advanced concepts and techniques
[11:58] <slack7384> kamiro87: can you go into su, and then cd to /etc/X11?
[11:58] <Seveas> slack7384, ubuntu does not use su
[11:58] <kamiro87> no such file
[11:58] <vbgunz> does anyone know how to right-click a folder in the left side tree of Nautilus and get a command prompt menu option?
[11:59] <Seveas> vbgunz, you need a little nautilus script for that
[11:59] <tristanmike> Seveas, Ubuntu is pretty unique in a lot of ways eh?
[11:59] <Seveas> tristanmike, unique in goodness :)
[11:59] <kemik> tristanmike:  in alot of good ways ;)
[11:59] <vbgunz> oh I think I found it...
[11:59] <tristanmike> :)
[11:59] <marga_> Hi!  I have a friend that doesn't have broadband access, and I'd like to burn a dvd for him with all the ubuntu repositories...  Is there an easy way of doing that?
[11:59] <kamiro87> sorry for the trouble
[12:00] <Seveas> tristanmike, to me Ubuntu is the ideal mix of stability, recent packages, good support and a fabulous community