[12:05] <ogra> additionally there was expressed interst by some very huge worldwide organizations i cant talk about at this stage
[12:18] <Gand> hi all
[12:19] <Gand> I get an error while updating system!
[12:19] <ogra> hi
[12:19] <ogra> oh
[12:19] <ogra> what is it about ?
[12:19] <Gand> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.08_all.deb:
[12:19] <ogra> ah, known error
[12:20] <ogra> its from ubuntu...
[12:20] <Gand> can't write over /usr/lib/X11/fonts
[12:20] <Gand> :(
[12:20] <Gand> is a way to solve?
[12:20] <ogra> try: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.08_all.deb
[12:20] <ogra> it will be fixed during the next days
[12:21] <Gand> well I've just don sudo
[12:22] <Gand> x-common configured
[12:27] <gand_> hi sorry I've closed xchat
[12:27] <gand_> now update is running thaks
[12:28] <gand_> I'm working remotely with vnc
[12:28] <gand_> the fact is that gnome now has only one desktop
[12:30] <gand_> thaks =thanks :)
[12:30] <ogra> what do you mean wit "only one desktop" ?
[12:30] <gand_> only one virtual desktop,, only one square bottom right instead of four
[12:31] <gand_> near the bin
[12:31] <ogra> yup
[12:31] <gand_> I hope after upgrade it will be solved
[12:32] <gand_> I install edubuntu yesterday and I've not problem during update
[12:32] <ogra> great
[12:32] <gand_> I've reinstalled ubuntu today and I get the above errors
[12:32] <ogra> you can adjust the number of desktops with gconf-editor
[12:33] <ogra> just go to /apps/metacity/general and set the number of workspaces as you like
[12:33] <gand_> sorry, gconf-editor, where is it?
[12:34] <ogra> applications->system tools->configuration editor
[12:34] <ogra> or run it from a terminal...
[12:34] <gand_> I'm gui evangelist :)
[12:35] <ogra> the key you have to change is called num_workspaces
[12:35] <gand_> tks now I do
[12:35] <gand_> FYI I've installed Italian locale
[12:36] <gand_> all menus are in italian exept for the main bar: Applocations/Places/System is written in english
[12:37] <ogra> use the language selector, select italian and log out/in again
[12:38] <ogra> it is in system->system settings
[12:38] <gand_> number workspace is already set to 4 :)
[12:39] <gand_> well now my system is uptodate :) I restart
[12:39] <ogra> oki
[12:41] <bdoin> perhaps it's not the same need for south africa but an ONG requested us to customize it for africa
[12:42] <bdoin> I mean, replacing european objects, images, by typical african one
[12:42] <gand_> hi with language selector I can download also english and switch sistem from italian to english and viceversa?
[12:42] <ogra> yup
[12:42] <bdoin> I am not sure but there is not many localized educational software in many african country.
[12:42] <gand_> nice :)
[12:43] <ogra> bdoin, not really... but most countries are french or english anyway
[12:43] <bdoin> we can have a REAL advantage over any proprietary software is we provide an edu app that look like it was done 'at home'
[12:43] <ogra> yup
[12:44] <ogra> thats why we also have a DVD now with 90 languages...
[12:44] <bdoin> I am not talking about the translation but the real content
[12:45] <ogra> ah yes, thats  bit tricky if you make a distro... if you provide a CD the space mostly gets used by applications, no place for extra content
[12:45] <bdoin> for example, we should use african colors, african fruits, houses, ..
[12:45] <ogra> i'd love to distribute mediawiki on the CD (our security team decided against it sadly) and put a wikipedia DVD aside
[12:46] <bdoin> you are thinking distribution but there is way to manage that.
[12:46] <ogra> not an a CD
[12:46] <ogra> s/an/on
[12:46] <bdoin> in gcompris we have themes but we could have 'styles' like africa, asia, ..
[12:46] <ogra> currently the distro takes 702 MB on the CD for powerpc...
[12:47] <bdoin> the styles can be packaged on their own.
[12:47] <ogra> thats the very edge
[12:48] <ogra> the DVD will be different, but since we wont ship it, and third world countries cant be expected to have a internet connection to download a DVD, its not easy
[12:49] <ogra> i already have a problem with the gcompris sounds packages, its quite hard to get them on the CD
[12:49] <ogra> they are huge... its the nature of sound content...
[12:50] <ogra> i'd love to have more content in the distro
[12:50] <bdoin> 3-4MB/locale
[12:50] <ogra> yup
[12:51] <bdoin> I know, gcompris is a mess to package and it eat all the space ;)
[12:52] <ogra> yup... i think we'll probably split the distro in the future... a basic CD for only th distro and a DVD wit distro and content...
[12:56] <bdoin> that makes sense
[01:01] <gand_> aarggg I forget that now my restarted machine has the login screen and I can't connect via vnc LOL
[01:06] <mpt> ogra: ship a printed Wikipedia instead :-)
[01:06] <ogra> lol
[01:06] <ogra> i think the shipment costs would break the budget :)
[01:07] <gand_> it was so fast that I'll do some screenrecorder using vnc
[01:08] <gand_> I've tryed Istanbul, but framerate is too fast and cursor has a yellow halo around it, not yet usable in my opinion
[01:10] <ogra> nope, thats why we dont install it by default yet
[01:10] <ogra> but it will be ready eventually...
[01:12] <gand_> do you have a link to a fast guide on "how to install and configure apache?", I've read that edubuntu will/have CMS Mambo
[01:13] <ogra> mambo ? nope
[01:13] <gand_> I'm interesting on how to set up a server with mambo or some other e-learning cms
[01:13] <gand_> opps
[01:13] <ogra> moodle will be in the final version 
[01:13] <ogra> and schooltool
[01:13] <gand_> yes moodel sorry
[01:13] <gand_> 1.13 am here :)
[01:14] <ogra> just install it from universe, its not yet in main...
[01:14] <ogra> same time here ;)
[01:14] <gand_> will be easy to install and  configure? I Know howw to do it with OSX and I like to learn and set up with edu/ubuntu
[01:15] <ogra> moode installs fine with a default setup, look at www.moodle.org for docs
[01:15] <gand_> I know that I need apache/PHP/Mysql before
[01:16] <ogra> nope, we use postgreql, thats way more secure... moodle installs in the webderver and has a easy webinterface to configure it
[01:16] <ogra> webserver even
[01:18] <gand_> sorry I'm not afraid of moodle, but how to set up the server with postgree.... (moodle don't use php?)
[01:19] <ogra> just install moodle, the rest is done automatiaclly
[01:19] <ogra> no need to fiddle with stuff :)
[01:19] <gand_> nice, with synaptic package manager?
[01:20] <ogra> postgres is in the edubuntu default install, it should already be there... apache as well... moodle will care for php and the rest if you install it...
[01:20] <gand_> I'll try next days and I'll do a screenrecord tutorial :)
[01:20] <ogra> all you need to do is to do the web setup through the web interface
[01:21] <ogra> in the final version it will be preinstalled, i'm just figting with some security issues that require a upgrade of the package
[01:22] <gand_> yes, but there are sometimes little but important passage, for example: how to start apache? with the command line apechectl start, I suppose?
[01:23] <gand_> on osx I need only a click in the sharing system preference panel
[01:24] <gand_> will ubuntu be as usable as OSX :)
[01:24] <gand_> http://www.freesmug.org/usex/
[01:25] <ogra> if you install apache, its started automatically
[01:25] <gand_> nice to know
[01:27] <gand_> there are often little important things that could be obvious when you know and are written in 1000 pages manual.
[01:27] <ogra> like all servers in ubuntu it comes with a default setuo and just works :)
[01:30] <gand_> unfortunatly I don't know enought of ubuntu. I'll use your precious experience in the future as I ,with some other my collegues (teachers), have a project to set up and use e-learning platform on linux
[01:31] <ogra> great, feel free to ask 
[01:32] <gand_> thanks a lot, now bed ask to me :)
[01:32] <gand_> see you next
[01:32] <ogra> bye
[01:32] <gand_> ciao
[01:32] <gand_> gute Nacht
[01:33] <ogra> ciao
[10:35] <shaga> good morning janew
[02:34] <Yagisan> finally got a mostly working install in vmware now
[02:34] <Yagisan> can boot from network card pxe
[02:34] <Yagisan> or with pxe emulation from etherboot 5.4.1
[02:37] <shaga> :)
[02:38] <Yagisan> now to bios mod my p2 to have etherboot
[02:38] <Yagisan> the was a weird issue with nfs though
[02:39] <Yagisan> it would timeout and sometimes need a new reboots of the client
[02:39] <Yagisan> to actually boot
[03:31] <Yagisan> Am I correct in assuming I have to chroot into the ltsp to add/remove users ?
[04:52] <Yagisan> g'day ogra
[04:52] <ogra> hi
[04:53] <Yagisan> I was archiving some old data, and found something interesting
[04:54] <Yagisan> back in 2004 - I did a project similar to edubuntu
[04:54] <Yagisan> I found my teams documentaion
[04:55] <Yagisan> interested in having a look ?
[04:55] <ogra> sure :)
[04:57] <Yagisan> http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/2004_06_29_Jamie_Jones_and_Mark_Poppitt_Major_Project__Dip_Network_Engineering_.pdf
[04:59] <Yagisan> It was written for a windows bigot so in places it seems dumbed down
[04:59] <Yagisan> but it might be useful
[05:02] <ogra> yup, i got that :)
[05:03] <ogra> (sorry for being a bit unresposive today, i'm finishing the new screensaver dialog)
[05:05] <Yagisan> heh - thats ok - I'm laggey with 100% cpu load (several colony 5 installs going off at once testing out vmware)
[05:05] <ogra> heh
[05:06] <Yagisan> will bug you shortly re edubuntu terminals and log ins
[05:07] <ogra> ok
[05:36] <Yagisan> ogra: do you know whats wrong with the nfs server ? - sometimes I have to reset my
[05:36] <Yagisan> terminal several times before it will boot
[05:36] <ogra> several times ? 
[05:37] <ogra> that it doesnt work on first boot is a known bug... but i havent heard about several times yet
[05:37] <Yagisan> yep - using the etherboot client. Most is 5 resets, usually only 1 or 2 is needed
[05:37] <ogra> see 12942
[05:39] <Yagisan> hmm
[05:39] <Yagisan> anyway back to my log in question
[05:40] <Yagisan> as I'm having one of those days where all problems seem to be a pebkac error
[05:40] <Yagisan> I thought I should double check
[05:41] <Yagisan> after a default install - no users can log in from a terminal right ?
[05:41] <Yagisan> I would need to chroot to /opt/ltsp/i386 and run adduser manually ?
[05:42] <Yagisan> or did I miss the documentation
[05:44] <ogra> err, nope
[05:44] <ogra> there shoudlnt be any user in the chroot 
[05:45] <ogra> the chroot is only for booting the thin client and for the X server... everything else (adding users etc) is done on the normal desktop on the server... 
[05:47] <Yagisan> ogra: then I have a big problem. The user I added on the server can't log in from a terminal
[05:47] <Yagisan> I'll add another user and see if the can log in
[05:47] <Yagisan> s/the/they
[05:48] <ogra> use the user admin tool to make sure the user is in the right groups
[05:48] <ogra> (it has some predefined profiles)
[05:50] <shaga> I haven't figured out yet what's that first 's' in that 's/the/they'..
[05:50] <ogra> it means substitute
[05:50] <shaga> okay
[05:50] <Yagisan> just did. What I get is the screen flashes 3 times then it bombs back out to the log in screen
[05:51] <Yagisan> shaga: man sed :)
[05:51] <shaga> :p
[05:51] <ogra> Yagisan, enable the root account in the chroot (chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ && passwd) 
[05:52] <ogra> then log in on console at the thin client and look at /var/log/ldm.log
[05:52] <ogra> it should tell you whats wrong
[05:53] <ogra> i suspect the ssh keys were not generated right from ltsp-build-client ... 
[05:57] <Yagisan> hmm
[05:58] <ogra> didnt you say yesterday your /var/lib/tftpboot didnt contain a ltsp directory ? 
[06:02] <Yagisan> it did - the problem turned out to be the boot client yesterday
[06:02] <Yagisan> a newer version allowed it to boot
[06:02] <Yagisan> but it can't log in
[06:04] <ogra> what doe sthe log say ?
[06:04] <Yagisan> the log is on the thin client right ?
[06:05] <Yagisan> because i don't see it on the server
[06:05] <ogra> yup
[06:05] <Yagisan> just as soon as I can pass ctrl-alt+f2 to the virtual machine I'll tell you
[06:06] <ogra> you run the client in vmware o_O
[06:08] <Yagisan> yeah (I lost several pc's due to lightning about 3 months ago and can't afford to replace them)
[06:09] <Yagisan> a-ha did it
[06:09] <Yagisan> "Host Key verification failed"
[06:11] <ogra> run ltsp-update-sshkeys on the server and try again (probably you need to reboot the client before)
[06:11] <Yagisan> ok. Had a chance to skim the doc yet ?
[06:12] <ogra> nope... i'll read it tonight...
[06:12] <Yagisan> no worries
[06:15] <Yagisan> I can log in :)
[06:17] <ogra> sure :)
[06:17] <ogra> somehow it looks like ltsp-build-clietn didnt run right in your install... did you have errors at install time ? 
[06:17] <Yagisan> not that I noticed
[06:17] <ogra> strange...
[06:17] <Yagisan> wow - no working mouse
[06:18] <ogra> because ltsp-update-sshkeys is run as the last command before gdm starts after install
[06:18] <ogra> so there should be a valid key in the chroot...
[06:22] <Yagisan> fixed - nomouse (psmouse module not loaded)
[06:29] <ogra> oh, your install is outdated ;) its fixed in later versons of module-init-tools
[06:31] <Yagisan> outdated is it ?
[06:32] <Yagisan> I just used your wonderful cd to install it
[06:33] <Yagisan> anyway - tomorrow I'll do a new install and keep an eye out for any errors
[06:33] <ogra> there was a bug in module-init-tools for about a week i guess you have one of the broken images... i didnt notice it because it only occurs in readonly filesystems
[06:33] <Yagisan> if you have a newer iso now would be a good time to point me too it
[06:34] <Yagisan> as it's 2:35am here and my wife is yelling at me to go to bed
[06:36] <ogra> i havent tested todays, but i suppose its good, since its based on a colony release :)
[06:43] <Yagisan> link to todays build would be nice - the one I'm looking at ( http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ ) I already have
[06:45] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/
[06:45] <ogra> or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20050924/
[06:47] <Yagisan> thanks ogra. any queries about my doc feel free to /msg me and I'll respond when I get up
[06:47] <ogra> oki
[07:25] <shaga> has the cd image been updated much during last 4 days?
[07:37] <ogra> there were some bug fixes...
[07:38] <ogra> especially udev and linux-restricted-modules
[07:38] <shaga> okay