[12:05] additionally there was expressed interst by some very huge worldwide organizations i cant talk about at this stage === KingBahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === Gand [n=Gand@81-208-84-206.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #edubuntu [12:18] hi all [12:19] I get an error while updating system! [12:19] hi [12:19] oh [12:19] what is it about ? [12:19] E: /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.08_all.deb: [12:19] ah, known error [12:20] its from ubuntu... [12:20] can't write over /usr/lib/X11/fonts [12:20] :( [12:20] is a way to solve? [12:20] try: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.08_all.deb [12:20] it will be fixed during the next days [12:21] well I've just don sudo [12:22] x-common configured === gand_ [n=gand@62-101-126-208.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #edubuntu [12:27] hi sorry I've closed xchat [12:27] now update is running thaks [12:28] I'm working remotely with vnc [12:28] the fact is that gnome now has only one desktop [12:30] thaks =thanks :) [12:30] what do you mean wit "only one desktop" ? [12:30] only one virtual desktop,, only one square bottom right instead of four [12:31] near the bin [12:31] yup [12:31] I hope after upgrade it will be solved [12:32] I install edubuntu yesterday and I've not problem during update [12:32] great [12:32] I've reinstalled ubuntu today and I get the above errors [12:32] you can adjust the number of desktops with gconf-editor [12:33] just go to /apps/metacity/general and set the number of workspaces as you like [12:33] sorry, gconf-editor, where is it? [12:34] applications->system tools->configuration editor [12:34] or run it from a terminal... [12:34] I'm gui evangelist :) [12:35] the key you have to change is called num_workspaces [12:35] tks now I do [12:35] FYI I've installed Italian locale [12:36] all menus are in italian exept for the main bar: Applocations/Places/System is written in english [12:37] use the language selector, select italian and log out/in again [12:38] it is in system->system settings [12:38] number workspace is already set to 4 :) [12:39] well now my system is uptodate :) I restart [12:39] oki [12:41] perhaps it's not the same need for south africa but an ONG requested us to customize it for africa [12:42] I mean, replacing european objects, images, by typical african one [12:42] hi with language selector I can download also english and switch sistem from italian to english and viceversa? [12:42] yup [12:42] I am not sure but there is not many localized educational software in many african country. [12:42] nice :) [12:43] bdoin, not really... but most countries are french or english anyway [12:43] we can have a REAL advantage over any proprietary software is we provide an edu app that look like it was done 'at home' [12:43] yup [12:44] thats why we also have a DVD now with 90 languages... [12:44] I am not talking about the translation but the real content [12:45] ah yes, thats bit tricky if you make a distro... if you provide a CD the space mostly gets used by applications, no place for extra content [12:45] for example, we should use african colors, african fruits, houses, .. [12:45] i'd love to distribute mediawiki on the CD (our security team decided against it sadly) and put a wikipedia DVD aside [12:46] you are thinking distribution but there is way to manage that. [12:46] not an a CD [12:46] s/an/on [12:46] in gcompris we have themes but we could have 'styles' like africa, asia, .. [12:46] currently the distro takes 702 MB on the CD for powerpc... [12:47] the styles can be packaged on their own. [12:47] thats the very edge [12:48] the DVD will be different, but since we wont ship it, and third world countries cant be expected to have a internet connection to download a DVD, its not easy [12:49] i already have a problem with the gcompris sounds packages, its quite hard to get them on the CD [12:49] they are huge... its the nature of sound content... [12:50] i'd love to have more content in the distro [12:50] 3-4MB/locale [12:50] yup [12:51] I know, gcompris is a mess to package and it eat all the space ;) [12:52] yup... i think we'll probably split the distro in the future... a basic CD for only th distro and a DVD wit distro and content... [12:56] that makes sense [01:01] aarggg I forget that now my restarted machine has the login screen and I can't connect via vnc LOL [01:06] ogra: ship a printed Wikipedia instead :-) [01:06] lol === mpt leaves so as not to be the last out of the office [01:06] i think the shipment costs would break the budget :) [01:07] it was so fast that I'll do some screenrecorder using vnc [01:08] I've tryed Istanbul, but framerate is too fast and cursor has a yellow halo around it, not yet usable in my opinion [01:10] nope, thats why we dont install it by default yet [01:10] but it will be ready eventually... [01:12] do you have a link to a fast guide on "how to install and configure apache?", I've read that edubuntu will/have CMS Mambo [01:13] mambo ? nope [01:13] I'm interesting on how to set up a server with mambo or some other e-learning cms [01:13] opps [01:13] moodle will be in the final version [01:13] and schooltool [01:13] yes moodel sorry [01:13] 1.13 am here :) [01:14] just install it from universe, its not yet in main... [01:14] same time here ;) === ogra waves from germany [01:14] will be easy to install and configure? I Know howw to do it with OSX and I like to learn and set up with edu/ubuntu [01:15] moode installs fine with a default setup, look at www.moodle.org for docs [01:15] I know that I need apache/PHP/Mysql before [01:16] nope, we use postgreql, thats way more secure... moodle installs in the webderver and has a easy webinterface to configure it [01:16] webserver even [01:18] sorry I'm not afraid of moodle, but how to set up the server with postgree.... (moodle don't use php?) [01:19] just install moodle, the rest is done automatiaclly [01:19] no need to fiddle with stuff :) [01:19] nice, with synaptic package manager? [01:20] postgres is in the edubuntu default install, it should already be there... apache as well... moodle will care for php and the rest if you install it... [01:20] I'll try next days and I'll do a screenrecord tutorial :) [01:20] all you need to do is to do the web setup through the web interface [01:21] in the final version it will be preinstalled, i'm just figting with some security issues that require a upgrade of the package [01:22] yes, but there are sometimes little but important passage, for example: how to start apache? with the command line apechectl start, I suppose? [01:23] on osx I need only a click in the sharing system preference panel [01:24] will ubuntu be as usable as OSX :) [01:24] http://www.freesmug.org/usex/ [01:25] if you install apache, its started automatically [01:25] nice to know [01:27] there are often little important things that could be obvious when you know and are written in 1000 pages manual. [01:27] like all servers in ubuntu it comes with a default setuo and just works :) [01:30] unfortunatly I don't know enought of ubuntu. I'll use your precious experience in the future as I ,with some other my collegues (teachers), have a project to set up and use e-learning platform on linux [01:31] great, feel free to ask [01:32] thanks a lot, now bed ask to me :) [01:32] see you next [01:32] bye [01:32] ciao [01:32] gute Nacht [01:33] ciao === gand_ [n=gand@62-101-126-208.ip.fastwebnet.it] has left #edubuntu [] === ksl [n=antoe@ip-77-236-net.net2cyber.net] has joined #edubuntu === bored2k [n=reb@168samana87.codetel.net.do] has joined #edubuntu === bored2k [n=reb@168samana87.codetel.net.do] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving."] === nybble [n=nybble@d36-24-214.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #edubuntu === ksl [n=antoe@ip-77-236-net.net2cyber.net] has left #edubuntu ["Kopete] === pitux [n=pitux@191-215-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === mpt [n=mpt@201-13-41-180.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #edubuntu === mpt [n=mpt@201-13-41-180.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #edubuntu [] === mp1 [n=mpt@200-158-81-2.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #edubuntu === mp1 is now known as mpt === mpt [n=mpt@200-158-81-2.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #edubuntu [] === mpt [n=mpt@200-158-81-2.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-189-29.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [10:35] good morning janew === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-38-8.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-34-214.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #edubuntu === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-13-7.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #edubuntu === bdoin [n=coudoin@bla31-1-82-228-70-121.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-38-8.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@81.56.207.189] has joined #edubuntu [02:34] finally got a mostly working install in vmware now [02:34] can boot from network card pxe [02:34] or with pxe emulation from etherboot 5.4.1 [02:37] :) [02:38] now to bios mod my p2 to have etherboot [02:38] the was a weird issue with nfs though [02:39] it would timeout and sometimes need a new reboots of the client [02:39] to actually boot === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-34-76.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@info1-25.info.com.ph] has joined #edubuntu === LinuxJones [n=willy@blk-222-89-108.eastlink.ca] has joined #edubuntu [03:31] Am I correct in assuming I have to chroot into the ltsp to add/remove users ? === fersfeir [n=fernando@201.250.22.47] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@p5089CB60.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:52] g'day ogra [04:52] hi [04:53] I was archiving some old data, and found something interesting [04:54] back in 2004 - I did a project similar to edubuntu [04:54] I found my teams documentaion [04:55] interested in having a look ? [04:55] sure :) [04:57] http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/2004_06_29_Jamie_Jones_and_Mark_Poppitt_Major_Project__Dip_Network_Engineering_.pdf [04:59] It was written for a windows bigot so in places it seems dumbed down [04:59] but it might be useful === Yagisan = Jamie Jones [05:02] yup, i got that :) [05:03] (sorry for being a bit unresposive today, i'm finishing the new screensaver dialog) [05:05] heh - thats ok - I'm laggey with 100% cpu load (several colony 5 installs going off at once testing out vmware) [05:05] heh [05:06] will bug you shortly re edubuntu terminals and log ins [05:07] ok === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-34-76.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #edubuntu [05:36] ogra: do you know whats wrong with the nfs server ? - sometimes I have to reset my [05:36] terminal several times before it will boot [05:36] several times ? [05:37] that it doesnt work on first boot is a known bug... but i havent heard about several times yet [05:37] yep - using the etherboot client. Most is 5 resets, usually only 1 or 2 is needed [05:37] see 12942 [05:39] hmm [05:39] anyway back to my log in question [05:40] as I'm having one of those days where all problems seem to be a pebkac error [05:40] I thought I should double check [05:41] after a default install - no users can log in from a terminal right ? [05:41] I would need to chroot to /opt/ltsp/i386 and run adduser manually ? [05:42] or did I miss the documentation [05:44] err, nope [05:44] there shoudlnt be any user in the chroot === pitux [n=pitux@153-201-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [05:45] the chroot is only for booting the thin client and for the X server... everything else (adding users etc) is done on the normal desktop on the server... === pitux [n=pitux@153-201-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [05:47] ogra: then I have a big problem. The user I added on the server can't log in from a terminal [05:47] I'll add another user and see if the can log in [05:47] s/the/they [05:48] use the user admin tool to make sure the user is in the right groups [05:48] (it has some predefined profiles) [05:50] I haven't figured out yet what's that first 's' in that 's/the/they'.. [05:50] it means substitute [05:50] okay [05:50] just did. What I get is the screen flashes 3 times then it bombs back out to the log in screen [05:51] shaga: man sed :) [05:51] :p [05:51] Yagisan, enable the root account in the chroot (chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ && passwd) [05:52] then log in on console at the thin client and look at /var/log/ldm.log [05:52] it should tell you whats wrong [05:53] i suspect the ssh keys were not generated right from ltsp-build-client ... [05:57] hmm [05:58] didnt you say yesterday your /var/lib/tftpboot didnt contain a ltsp directory ? [06:02] it did - the problem turned out to be the boot client yesterday [06:02] a newer version allowed it to boot [06:02] but it can't log in [06:04] what doe sthe log say ? [06:04] the log is on the thin client right ? [06:05] because i don't see it on the server [06:05] yup [06:05] just as soon as I can pass ctrl-alt+f2 to the virtual machine I'll tell you === Yagisan wishes he had more pc's [06:06] you run the client in vmware o_O [06:08] yeah (I lost several pc's due to lightning about 3 months ago and can't afford to replace them) [06:09] a-ha did it [06:09] "Host Key verification failed" === nybble [n=nybble@d36-24-214.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:11] run ltsp-update-sshkeys on the server and try again (probably you need to reboot the client before) [06:11] ok. Had a chance to skim the doc yet ? [06:12] nope... i'll read it tonight... [06:12] no worries [06:15] I can log in :) [06:17] sure :) [06:17] somehow it looks like ltsp-build-clietn didnt run right in your install... did you have errors at install time ? [06:17] not that I noticed [06:17] strange... [06:17] wow - no working mouse === Yagisan should try a re-install [06:18] because ltsp-update-sshkeys is run as the last command before gdm starts after install [06:18] so there should be a valid key in the chroot... [06:22] fixed - nomouse (psmouse module not loaded) [06:29] oh, your install is outdated ;) its fixed in later versons of module-init-tools [06:31] outdated is it ? === macgyver2 [n=eric@unaffiliated/macgyver2] has joined #edubuntu [06:32] I just used your wonderful cd to install it [06:33] anyway - tomorrow I'll do a new install and keep an eye out for any errors [06:33] there was a bug in module-init-tools for about a week i guess you have one of the broken images... i didnt notice it because it only occurs in readonly filesystems [06:33] if you have a newer iso now would be a good time to point me too it [06:34] as it's 2:35am here and my wife is yelling at me to go to bed [06:36] i havent tested todays, but i suppose its good, since its based on a colony release :) [06:43] link to todays build would be nice - the one I'm looking at ( http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ ) I already have [06:45] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/ [06:45] or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20050924/ [06:47] thanks ogra. any queries about my doc feel free to /msg me and I'll respond when I get up [06:47] oki === pitux [n=pitux@185-213-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [07:25] has the cd image been updated much during last 4 days? [07:37] there were some bug fixes... [07:38] especially udev and linux-restricted-modules [07:38] okay === jeang [n=jeang@c3-dbn-12.absamail.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === nybble [n=nybble@d36-24-214.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #edubuntu === jeang [n=jeang@c3-dbn-12.absamail.co.za] has left #edubuntu [] === nybble [n=nybble@d36-24-214.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #edubuntu === JonnyRo [n=jonnyro@monorad.raydiance-inc.com] has joined #edubuntu