=== dobwan [n=dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:02] and it does implicit pipes if you want it to [12:02] adverbio is an interesting idea for this sort of thing too, which helps when you're using sudo [12:02] though it's a bit verbose [12:02] http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/2001/06/adverbio.html [12:05] what is the server for the US breezy apt update? I have it as us.archive.ubuntu.com. (I know this is probably not the right place to ask this, please forgive me) [12:05] yes, that's the right place. #ubuntu would be a better channel === crispin is now known as crispin[zzz] === rdw200169 [n=randy@cpe-24-242-36-216.hot.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@d011254.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] mdz: do you know if initramfs-tools 0.29 is C5-critical? [12:13] frustratingly, I can't quite tell, and jbailey does not seem to be around [12:14] Kamion: would a synaptic upload now hurt? or should I wait until tomorrow? [12:14] I'm starting a new build now just in case [12:14] mvo: please don't [12:14] tomorrow [12:14] the topic has not changed [12:14] ok then :) === mvo is impatient sometimes [12:14] I'm sorry to keep everybody waiting for uploads, but I'm fourteen hours into an extremely long day here [12:15] and I do not want it to continue into tomorrow [12:16] sure, no problem. I didn't wanted to sound pushy or something [12:16] elmo: please remove gtk-sharp-gapi-unstable and gtk-sharp-examples-unstable === mvo hopes that "pushy" is actually a english word [12:16] it is [12:17] the errors in your sentence were "didn't wanted" => "didn't want" and "or something" => "or anything" [12:17] HTH ;-) === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:18] Kamion: yes, thanks :) === mvo grumbles about this foreign languages [12:23] Kamion, i know initramfs-tools 0.29 fixes a bunch of vmware issues [12:25] mvo, lets do a german BOF at UBZ to teach all these strange people german [12:25] ;) [12:27] mvo, then they have to know what "drngeln" means ;) [12:28] ogra: that will teach them a lesson ;) [12:28] hehe === Bicchi [n=AB@adsl-065-006-167-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === el_toro [n=jonah@207-224-75-54.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === camilotelles [n=Camilo@20132139198.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [n=michael@pcp0011975002pcs.sandia01.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:44] elmo: please remove kurush while you are at it, its broken and will be orphaned in debian === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-147-110.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryanthiessen [n=ryan@168-103-148-90.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] ok, powerpc really isn't happy with installing to XFS === xTina [n=xTina@p54A25259.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] Kamion: why? works here === dobwan [n=dobwan@pcp01101547pcs.pntiac01.mi.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === tritium_ [n=michael@pcp0011975002pcs.sandia01.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] slomo: not sure yet [12:55] slomo: on powerpc? [12:55] Kamion: yes... ibook g4 [12:56] Kamion: current breezy install and kernel only fails because of other problems... [12:56] but older kernel works [12:56] slomo, he's talking about the current build that shall become a colony release [12:58] elaborate on "other problems"? [12:58] Kamion: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14485 [12:59] hmm, yes, I'm seeing the same thing [01:00] wonderfull... so we're 3 now ;) did you tried another fs? [01:00] if it's only XFS I can errata it [01:00] no, but I'm about to [01:00] BRB [01:00] ok [01:02] Kamion, does apt have a way to build something but avoid pushing it the public archives before another package builds? (Ie, with mozilla/epiphany and linux/l-r-m) [01:02] Kamion, that would allow seemless upgrades [01:02] that's got zero to do with apt [01:02] ok [01:03] is that possible? [01:03] is it worth the effor developing> [01:03] ? [01:03] not without the equivalent of Debian testing, which we've explicitly decided not to use [01:03] (for various reasons) [01:03] it's not really worth the effort because it only affects development releases [01:04] my thought was just for a select few packages [01:04] s/releases/trees/ [01:04] and I am talking a matter of hours [01:04] special-purpose hacks are usually even less worth it [01:04] anyway, sorry, I'm extremely busy [01:04] Kamion, ok, just a thought === el_toro [n=jonah@207-224-75-54.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] it also doesn't work for linux/l-r-m because l-r-m requires linux to be in the archive first before you can build it [01:06] and I believe the same goes for mozilla/epiphany [01:07] ugh [01:07] the buildds don't build from anything private, just the public archive [01:07] which is good, 'cos you can test things properly before uploading === twoSharp [n=twoSharp@ti400720a081-12203.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host247-79.pool8261.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aigarius [n=aigarius@159.148.239.80] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=root@lns01-1354.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:14] hi === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:15] anyone? i have one suggestion for libdvdread3 [01:16] Kamion: can you add a comment to the bugreport after further testing? [01:16] ivoks: what suggestion? [01:16] slomo: k3b searches for libdvdcss.so [01:16] slomo: not tonight, but yes I will later [01:16] slomo: works fine with ext3, fyi [01:16] slomo: and install-css.sh provides libdvdcss.so [01:16] ivoks, its illegal [01:16] slomo: so, links should be created in that script [01:16] illegal? [01:16] Kamion: ok, i'll talk to jbailey and BenC tomorrow about it... maybe we get this fixed somehow for breezy :/ [01:17] yup [01:17] ivoks: libdvdcss is nothing for us ;) [01:17] ogra: to create link? [01:17] slomo: i know, but... [01:17] ivoks: what link do you want to create? [01:17] we provide that script [01:17] slomo: ln -s /usr/lib/libdvdcss.so. /usr/lib/libdvdcss.so.2 [01:17] one . too many :) [01:18] ivoks: a link to a non-existing file? [01:18] slomo: read from begnining [01:18] we provide install-css.sh [01:18] where do you get /usr/lib/libdvdcss.so.2 ? [01:18] /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh [01:18] there [01:18] ivoks: yes... and...? ;) we don't provide the library itself [01:18] that's main package [01:19] slomo: but we provided installer for it [01:19] ivoks: but i would fix k3b or whatevery tries to read libdvdcss.so to look for libdvdcss.so.3 [01:19] ivoks: libdvdcss.so.2 even [01:19] right :) [01:19] ivoks: or change the script to make a link... but everything else is braindead ;) [01:20] that's what i'm talking about [01:20] just change script [01:20] not lib [01:20] ok... but better do the other fix [01:20] Kamion: tsk, tsk; leaving ,,undo-1 files in source packages [01:20] let whatever wants to read libdvdcss.so to look for libdvdcss.so.2 [01:20] Keybuk: which? [01:21] slomo: or that :) [01:21] slomo: but first one was easier :) [01:21] Kamion: cdrom-detect [01:21] ivoks: is the better solution imho... .so files should only be in -dev packages [01:21] Keybuk: oops; willfix later [01:21] slomo: whatever... [01:21] :) [01:21] Kamion: I'll do it, if I can understand these bugs mdz has given me [01:22] ivoks: but while you're at it... tell the libdvdcss hoster to put 1.2.9 packages on his webspace and change the script to use these ;) [01:22] slomo: i noticed only k3b requesting libdvdcss.so [01:23] slomo: what's libdvdcss? :> [01:23] i think we should rip out that script completely if it silently installs illegal software on your system [01:23] ivoks: are you sure it isn't loaded in libdvdread? [01:23] ogra: it warns about it and must be called by the user [01:24] ivoks: libdvdread uses libdvdcss when it is installed... so i suspect the problem there [01:24] decss isn't illegale everywhere [01:24] ok, if it warns and explicitly says that you go in jail in the US and various other countries, then its fine [01:24] ivoks, i only know norway... [01:24] its illegal in most other countries... [01:24] slomo: k3b said it misses libdvdcss [01:25] ogra: one is enough, isn't it? [01:25] ivoks: i looked at libdvdread and it opens libdvdcss.so.2... so fix k3b ;) [01:25] ivoks, not really, i'd rip out that script [01:25] ogra: what about cuba? ;) [01:25] ogra: no problem, fine with me [01:26] yes, probably cuba :) [01:26] Wow. My cheap random USB wireless thing supports being an access point [01:26] (Under Windows, at least) [01:26] ivoks, its a question if we want to bring users in suspectable legal situations... [01:26] ... I guess now is a good time to learn debconf and d-i :p [01:26] and here was me being proud of being one of the last people in the world to learn debconf [01:27] ogra: i understand, i don't object [01:27] ogra: i just noticed that we have it and it doesn't work ok in one program [01:27] ogra: iirc it is also written in the wiki... but it's written there to use marillat's packages which are newer [01:27] so, we should fix it or remove it [01:27] yup [01:28] ivoks: just fix k3b... and write a mail at -devel whether the script should be removed ;) === dooglus [n=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] i will not do that [01:28] ivoks, yu brought it up [01:28] i know [01:29] but... [01:29] mailing lists are public [01:29] yes, as this channel is... [01:29] maybe we should come to a solution without ringing with this... [01:29] ogra: yes, but less people watch it [01:29] write a mail [01:30] ok [01:30] lets have it discussed to get a solution [01:31] the script itself isnt illegal as you said, so we can discuss it as public as we want... [01:32] Keybuk: if you're going to hack cdrom-detect, please branch from colin.watson@canonical.com--2005/cdrom-detect--ubuntu--0 so that I can merge it later [01:33] I'm not sure I understand how it works enough to hack it :-/ [01:33] Keybuk: are many of the alleged cdrom-detect bugs actually cdrom-detect bugs, though? I thought most of them were kernel bugs [01:33] I don't understand it all that well [01:33] dunno, #15642 and #15691 [01:42] now... time for bed [01:42] see you [01:43] ok, good night everybody :) [01:43] night [01:44] hmm, well, it looks like it just loads all the modules and hopes that /dev/cdroms turns up [01:44] ugh @ how devfs specific that is [01:46] yes, cdrom-detect is definitely a repository of devfs assumptions [01:46] doesn't it call udevstart though (perhaps via hw-detect)? [01:46] hw-detect calls udevstart as the last thing it does, pretty much [01:48] anyway, bored now; /me starts the release process [01:48] I'm 6 for 6 on testing, apart from the annoying powerpc/xfs bug === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-83-29.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xTina [n=xTina@p54A25259.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:53] grr at cron.daily running on the live CD [01:55] GOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS [01:55] Kamion: heh [01:55] Kamion: "good morning" :-) === Kamion races against his soon-to-vanish ADSL link [02:01] playing it fast-and-loose - I'll send the announcement slightly before it's synced to mirrors. please field any complaints for me, I couldn't do any better with the link about to vanish === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Kamion] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with breezy) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | https://wiki.ubuntu.com//HelpingWithBugs | MOM/NDA producing bad diffs | Breezy preview is out: http://xrl.us/hh4u | Colony 5 released [02:03] Kamion: you reproduced the ppc-xfs-init bug? [02:03] can I break udev now? :p [02:04] Kamion: did it stop at VFS...unknown_block(0,0)? [02:06] good night everyone [02:08] Kamion: is there a page with the anouncement of Colony 5's release? [02:08] mjg59: ping [02:10] jdub: Hi [02:10] yo mjg59 [02:10] mjg59: did your ir autolove get into breezy? [02:11] jdub: Yeah [02:11] It's not part of ship or desktop though, AFAIK [02:12] oh, package name? [02:12] irda-utils [02:12] irda-utils? [02:12] ah [02:12] thanks [02:13] a friend blogged about a good experience with bluetooth, not so good experience with ir - wanted to point him to your work :-) [02:13] Heh [02:13] oh, i already have it === jdub wonders if pilot-link does irc [02:14] er [02:14] ir [02:14] eek. [02:15] ha ha [02:15] mjg59: is this another "it works in breezy" thing? :) [02:16] Heh === Tifa [n=alucard@cpc6-hem14-6-0-cust87.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:16] Aww. usplash. === mjg59 feels his heart warmed [02:16] he did upgrade for 2.6.12, multiple drivers he needed [02:18] jdub speaking like yoda now he is? === mjg59 is down to about 150 bugs [02:18] so what does irda-utils do? [02:19] doesn't do anything for me :'( [02:21] Keybuk: It autoconfigures your irda on startup === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@bl5-52-91.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:21] $ lsmod | grep irda | wc -l [02:21] 0 [02:21] hrm [02:22] syndicate scott% lsmod | grep irda [02:22] irda 187612 5 ali_ircc,irtty_sir,sir_dev [02:22] crc_ccitt 1984 1 irda [02:22] but it still does nothing [02:22] Keybuk: Who loaded those modules? [02:23] not me === Bicchi [n=AB@adsl-065-006-167-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:23] That would appear to imply that it worked, then [02:24] irdadump doesn't see anything when I wave my phone at it [02:24] hrm [02:24] Is irattach running? [02:24] i have no AUTOMATIC in default/irda-utils [02:24] but init.d/irda-setup checks for it [02:24] jdub: Ah. That would probably be your problem. [02:24] That's generated by debconf magic on install - I wonder what it does if you already have a file. Probably the wrong thing. [02:24] mjg59: no [02:25] irda-utils start claims to start it, but doesn't [02:25] Keybuk: Do you have a /var/run/irdadev ? [02:25] yes, it contains "irda0 fir" === jdub does a reinstall [02:26] Does /etc/default/irda-utils contain AUTOMATIC="true"? [02:26] it does [02:26] Does irattach irda0 -s work? [02:27] it returns immediately with exit 0 [02:27] Right. [02:27] What does dmesg say about ali_ircc? [02:27] mjg59: --reinstall does not give it love [02:27] the last thing it called was clone() [02:27] [4420999.099000] ali_ircc_open(), ali-ircc, Found dongle: HP HSDL-3600 [02:27] [4421002.582000] ali-ircc, unable to allocate dma=1 [02:27] [4421002.582000] Trying to free free IRQ3 [02:27] [4421214.643000] ali-ircc, unable to allocate irq=3 [02:28] Hm. Ok. [02:28] Keybuk: What does setserial /dev/ttyS1 say? [02:29] Oops. [02:30] jdub: Can you try --purging it? [02:30] hopefully that was a kernel crash you get to debug :) [02:30] mjg59: yeah, doing now [02:30] yay, i have automatic === jdub restarts [02:30] hrm [02:31] + . /etc/default/irda-utils [02:31] ++ ENABLE=false [02:31] ++ AUTOMATIC=true [02:31] ++ DISCOVERY=true [02:31] ++ DEVICE=/dev/ttyS1 [02:31] ++ DONGLE=none [02:31] ++ SETSERIAL= [02:31] [02:31] that look sensible? [02:31] Yup [02:31] + cd /sys/bus/pnp/devices [02:31] + IRDA=0 [02:31] + STATEFILE=/var/run/irdadev [02:31] + case $1 in [02:31] + for x in '*' [02:31] + FIR=false [02:31] + SIR=false [02:31] + FALLBACK=true [02:31] + OPTIONS= [02:31] === Keybuk [n=scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:32] then a lot of loops with FIR/SIR=false [02:32] jdub: Do you get a /var/run/irdadev ? [02:32] nup [02:32] Is IR enabled in your BIOS? [02:32] mjg59: and after pasting that, my machine decided to hang [02:32] ah, *believe* so [02:32] Dell seem to disable it by default [02:32] 10:29 -!- Keybuk [n=scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] [02:32] 10:30 < jdub> hopefully that was a kernel crash you get to debug :) [02:32] Keybuk: What does setserial /dev/ttyS1 give you? [02:32] 10:29 < mjg59> Oops. [02:32] :-) [02:33] it wasn't even a crash :-/ [02:33] /dev/ttyS1, UART: 8250, Port: 0x3440, IRQ: 11 [02:33] Wow. That's, uh, interesting. [02:34] oh? [02:34] Ok. Can you find the directory in /sys/bus/pnp/devices/ that contains an id file that contains a string starting ALI? [02:35] /sys/bus/pnp/devices/00:03/id:ALI5123 [02:35] Can you cat /sys/bus/pnp/devices/00:03/resources ? [02:35] state = active [02:35] io 0x3e8-0x3ef [02:35] irq 3 [02:35] dma 3 [02:36] And cat /proc/tty/driver/serial | grep 3e8 [02:36] (Or grep 3e8 /proc/tty/driver/serial - I changed my mind halfway through that) [02:37] none [02:37] Interesting. [02:37] ttyS1 doesn't match the ALI5123 resource ... and the ali_ircc is trying the wrong dma? :p [02:37] The real problem here is that ali_ircc doesn't give ENODEV if it fails to bind [02:38] But it does also seem to be picky about the IRQ [02:38] I'll think about that === bddebian [n=bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:41] jdub: Do you have anything in /sys/bus/pnp/devices/ that contains an id file with either PNP0510 or PNP0511? [02:42] nup === hypatia [n=mary@adsl-66-203.swiftdsl.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:42] looks like i'll have to reboot [02:43] Yeah, looks like your BIOS isn't enabling it [02:43] fascist dell bios! [02:43] heh [02:45] can't kill pipka's session though, so will have to play later === tiglionabbit [i=spinifex@dogma.fanarchive.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:51] when is the earliest I can request CDs to get the official Breezy Badger release? And what cover art are they using? [02:54] pkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/x-common_1.08_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/X11/fonts', which is also in package xfonts-base [02:54] hrm === carstenh [n=carstenh@p54A61AE9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === feeha1 [n=sfeehan@pool-64-222-103-115.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:22] hrm [03:22] its permanant too [03:22] not a disordered upgrade problem === lamont wonders where libaio comes from, and if he cares enough to work on fixing it for hppa yet. === tritium [n=michael@pcp0011975002pcs.sandia01.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:05] <`anthony> should the bugzilla package names be updated to include new breezy packages? for instance, I just tried to log a bug against gnome-phone-manager... [04:06] It's cool when you can stumble over random software packages that happen to provide Ubuntu Hoary .debs [04:08] `anthony: gnome-phone-managers in universe; you should bugs in packages in universe in malone (http://launchpad.net) rather than bugzilla [04:08] Nooo no more Universe bugs :-) [04:08] (s/bugs/report bugs/) [04:09] <`anthony> elmo: hm. my bad - should the bugzilla bug report page tell you this? [04:09] <`anthony> I don't recall seeing it anywhere when logging a bug. [04:09] "Ubuntu: The Free operating system for everyone - choose this to report any issues with software in the main and restricted components" [04:09] it's not very explicit, but it tries [04:10] <`anthony> "For bugs in universe or multiverse, please log bugs in lunchpad" - maybe on the 'enter new bug' page. [04:11] <`anthony> I'd suggest putting the text under the 'package' widget. [04:11] <`anthony> But then, I'm not the poor bastard who has to work on the bugzilla code to make that change. [04:11] yeah, I don't know how modifiable that is in bugzilla, or who even would [04:12] <`anthony> bugzilla: "down, not across" [04:12] haha [04:14] <`anthony> it's funny cos it's not me ;) === bddebian flushes gnat-gps and debtags-edit down the toilet === feeha1 [n=sfeehan@pool-64-222-103-115.burl.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === carstenh [n=carstenh@p54A61F18.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi- [n=nnnnnnnn@h174n7c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi- is now known as ozamosi === tritium [n=michael@pcp0011975002pcs.sandia01.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:11] lamont-away: no you don't really care about libaio and no it's not worth fixing it yet === Amaranth [n=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajmitch_ [n=ajmitch@port162-53.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:27] *groan* [05:28] ?? [05:28] someone using the forums to post to ubuntu-devel things mandriva is going to buy or merge with ubuntu [05:29] Egads, I hope not :-) [05:30] this is an example of why the forums shouldn't be able to post to ubuntu-devel ;) [05:30] Amaranth: I must have missed that one? [05:30] Aye [05:30] in the dapper drake thread === mpt [n=mpt@201-13-41-180.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Bicchi [n=AB@adsl-065-006-167-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:52] mjg59: unlikely ping [06:52] jbailey: unlikely ping === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kentaur [n=kent@adsl-065-006-206-159.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mp1 [n=mpt@200-158-81-2.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@200-158-81-2.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kentaur [n=kent@adsl-065-006-206-159.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === jammcq [n=jam@pcp09011044pcs.watrfd01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Bicchi [n=AB@adsl-065-006-167-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tifa [n=alucard@cpc6-hem14-6-0-cust87.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dhonn [n=dhonn@ip68-8-245-95.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:16] i converted the firefox folder into a compressed iso, mounted it, it loads in 3.1 seconds vs 7.0 seconds uncompressed and thats under a clean boot conditions === Tifa [n=alucard@cpc6-hem14-6-0-cust87.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:23] tired it to OOo 9.9 vs 12.8 seconds, i wonder what we could do with this [08:24] That's a classic example of "more CPU than I/O", which is likely true of many computer, but certainly not all. [08:24] s/computer/computers/ [08:24] Good morning all :) [08:25] But you can run your whole OS on a compressed filesystem, if you find you have more idle CPU than idle I/O. :) [08:26] yes on a 700mhz celeron there is no benefit at all [08:26] infinity: do you know if we are going to offer some support to "legacy" nvidia devices through l-r-m? [08:26] im running a 1.5mhz sempron right now [08:27] sivang : We do. [08:27] i then compressed the whole /usr/lib folder lol, ubuntu loaded quickly [08:27] infinity: ah, how do I enable this? ;) [08:27] sivang : Install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`-nvidia-legacy and nvidia-glx-legacy [08:28] infinity: ah very very cool. Since when is it there? [08:28] A few days. :) [08:30] sivang : Given their shiny newness, more testing of those packages is welcome. [08:31] sivang : They got off to a bumpy start, but they SHOULD be okay now. [08:31] (For some value of "should" that means "I'll cry, if they're still broken in some way") [08:31] infinity: that's exactly what I'm installing now :) [08:32] infinity: will let you know of any weirdness, hopefully my system won't break to much - Trying to fix #6224 and I don't have time to mangle with X right now ;-) [08:32] I've only tested them on amd64, so if you're on i386, feedback is welcome. :) [08:32] infinity: you're on! [08:33] (Well, feedbackis welcome on amd64, too... But I don't even know if they WORK on i386, so it'd be nice to know) [08:34] Note that you may want to reboot after install the new lrm stuff, especially if the other 'nvidia' module in the base lrm package wsas alrady loaded (it's notorious for not really unloading terribly well) [08:36] infinity: it refuses to load on account of FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.12-8-686-smp/volatile/nvidia.ko): No such device , this driver won't recognize my "old" gf2 gts, makes you wonder how fast things get deprecated in hardware.. [08:36] infinity: so I hope you're legacy one will do the trick [08:36] sivang: strange [08:37] sivang : Yeah, they dropped support for (at least) everything pre-GF3. [08:37] infinity: what kernel got that driver? [08:37] sivang : I need to get a more definitive list at some point, and put it in the package description. === Kamion [n=cjwatson@83-216-156-196.colinw664.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:38] infinity: yup. I hope they are sleeping well at night with those direction decisions ;) [08:38] nonetheless, I'm scared to find out the issues I'll have when I'll have my T43 with ati and reliant on fglrx [08:38] ajmitch : Which?... The nvidia-legacy driver?.. We've been building it for the last few days, first kernel with avaialable nvidia-legacy stuff built against it was -8-, and now we have it built for -9- [08:39] infinity: list of supported GPUs ? [08:39] infinity: right, I was just wondering why my gf2 mx was still working with -8 [08:39] infinity: ah , so I'll need to boot with -9 === jewel [n=jewel@c-67-166-126-86.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:39] without having the legacy driver loaded afaict [08:39] sivang : My T43 works fine with the open source drivers, but a quick test of the latest fglrx shows it working too. [08:40] infinity: oh, I recalled some people hjad problem with it, sudden hangups after a day of uptime etc [08:40] ajmitch : Oh, they may have kept the MX in the supported list. I think they dropped support based on age, not technology. [08:40] yep, horray for them [08:40] ajmitch : So, despite the gf2gts being "better", it's older than lots of gf2mx boards, so it goes first. [08:40] infinity: I Know that GTS Is GIga Texel Shader, what's MX ? [08:41] sivang : The MX is a (heavily) crippled GTS, that's all. [08:41] sivang : Same tech, newer cards, slower performance, aimed at cheapskates. [08:43] sivang : Most of my hanging issues with the T43 seem to have cleared up in more recent breezy... I won't commit to that statement yet, but things are much better than they were. [08:43] sivang : I never have run fglrx, though (except to test it) [08:44] Heck, fglrx didn't even work on the T43 until very recently (didn't work on most laptops until recently) [08:44] s/most/many/ [08:44] hrm [08:45] that's not enouraging if you want 3D ;) [08:45] Like I said, should be okay now. [08:45] It's not like the driver was fundamentally broken or anything, they just didn't have laptop modelines and such in the mainline driver. [08:45] however, how is the desktop and plain non gamer's hacking activities on there? any performance issue due to a display bottleneck ? === Aegir [n=richard@d58-104-30-13.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:46] ATI finally merged their laptop series and desktop sries upstream into a unified branch, so all hardware seems to be reasonably well supported from one driver. [08:46] infinity: hmm, it appears they also have it shipped with Intel Extreme Graphics adaptors - what do you think about those? [08:46] With the open source driver, I'm reasonably satisfied, but the lack of PCIe acceleration does make tihngs a bit jerky at times. [08:46] infinity: oh that's good. They should have done that from start, like nvidia [08:47] The Intel stuff should work fine, but if you intend to plug in an external mouse and get your Quake on, forget it. If you want occasioanl 3D, go with the ATI offering. [08:47] infinity: in specific functionality where you experience jerky performance? [08:48] Oh, just stuff like moving windows isn't as smooth as I'd like it, no big deal. The open source driver and the X300 seem to mostly get along quite well now. === ajmitch has one of those intel powerhouses for 3d [08:48] It'll be a lot better in dapper (there's a LOT of work going into the radeon driver in Xorg upstream right now), but such is life. Can't have everything shiny. [08:48] anything more than ppracer is a challenge for it [08:49] Yeah, Intel isn't noted for their stellar OpenGL performance. :) [08:49] ajmitch: heh, someone claimed they're at least as good as the radeons ;) === pef [n=loic@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-130-224.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:49] ajmitch: (a local computer shop) [08:49] sivang : They had no idea what they were talking baout. :) [08:50]