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JonnyRohello12:04
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Darthhi12:07
JonnyRoDarth: hows it going12:08
Darthso far.... so good...12:08
JonnyRoglad to hear people are working on LTSP with ubuntu12:08
JonnyRoi've been wanting to set up thin clients for a while12:08
Darthwhats LTSP12:08
Darthsorry, im such a newb12:08
JonnyRolinux terminal server project12:08
Darthnice12:08
JonnyRoedubuntu in general (if i understand correctly) can make use of that tech to let you run thin clients12:09
JonnyRoso you can run small embedded pc's at each students' desktop12:09
Darthhmm interesting12:13
Darthwhat about in other stuff like in PDA's or cellphones?12:13
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JonnyRonothing to do with that12:14
JonnyRowell, unless the PDA can run a LTSP client, which is i guess possible with the PocketPC systems12:15
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Darthhmm interesting12:16
JonnyRoDarth: what brings you to #edubuntu?  are you an educator?12:17
Darthpretty close12:17
Darthim a college student =)12:17
JonnyRoah12:17
JonnyRoyou've been using Ubuntu on your PC yet?12:17
Darthyeah, im just using the LiveCD though12:17
Darthhavent had the time yet to install it12:17
Darthhonestly, just lazy12:17
JonnyRoEdubuntu as far as I know is primarily centered around making Ubuntu work in a classroom lab setting12:18
JonnyRoso the teacher can interact with the students12:18
JonnyRoand influence their desktops12:18
JonnyRoRegular ubuntu is probably best for normal workstation use12:18
Darthu mean like take it over?12:18
JonnyRoDarth: I dont know if it supports this yet, but i'd imagine it would be cool for a teacher to be able to show a student how to do something12:20
JonnyRovia thier own pc12:20
JonnyRofrom the front of the room12:20
Darthyeah.... that would be a great tool to make...12:20
JonnyRoi know they can push files and stuff around already12:20
JonnyRonot too sure on the other aspect12:20
JonnyRoWhere do you go to school?12:20
DarthThe City College of NY12:20
JonnyRocool12:23
Darthso are u involved in edubuntu in anyway JohnnyRo?12:24
JonnyRonope, but i'm definately interested12:24
JonnyRoI am very excited about using thin client setups12:24
JonnyRoat business locations12:24
JonnyRoI tried using the stuff from K12-LTSP ages ago12:24
JonnyRobut it was somewhat immature 12:24
JonnyRoat the time12:24
JonnyRoUbuntu provides such an awesome user experience that I would love to be able to implement that cheaply.12:25
Darthwell Ubuntu is free... i guess that is as cheap as you are gonna get...12:25
JonnyRofree as in dollars, but depending on how easy stuff is to set up, you end up paying in time12:26
Darthahh tru12:26
JonnyRoUbuntu is just great for a workstation computer that you do a full install on12:26
JonnyRothat was a huge timesaver12:27
Darthlol12:27
JonnyRoBut for thin clients, I will have to experiment first12:27
Darthso what do u do for a living?12:27
JonnyRoIT Manager12:28
Darthwhere?12:29
JonnyRoFlorida12:29
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Darthnice12:30
JonnyRoIt's a decent living12:30
JonnyRolots of research though12:30
JonnyRoconstant learning12:30
Dartheh12:31
Darthi hate learning12:31
Darthi like doing12:31
Darth=)12:31
JonnyRoeveryone's got their own style12:31
Darthwo a doubt12:31
Darthbrb12:34
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spaceyJonnyRo, edubuntu makes thin client setup really easy12:58
spaceyso its easy in ubuntu itself with the right packages12:59
rejdenwhich packages?12:59
spaceythe ltsp packages i guess:)01:00
spaceyin breezy01:01
rejdendidn't tried thinkclient things yet01:02
rejdenit's good?01:02
JonnyRoi definately think it's time to download breezy01:02
JonnyRoand start trying things out01:02
rejdeni'm too busy with writing things atm01:02
rejdenbut i put it in my ToDo things for sure01:03
JonnyRoubuntulinux.org feels a bit on the slow side01:03
JonnyRoalright folks, have a nice night01:06
JonnyRocya01:06
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spaceygoodnight01:07
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spaceyrejden, yes its good, and freenx is cool too01:07
rejdenoh, i will prolly have some lame questions while try to test01:09
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shagagood morning all01:26
rejdensame to you shaga 01:55
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YagisanG'day ogra06:03
YagisanInstalled the daily cd yesterday in vmware. Still needed to add eth0 to the auto line in interfaces06:04
Yagisanand had to run the ltsp-update-sshkeys06:07
Yagisanhmm- my p2l97 is beeping at me06:07
ograhmm, works flawless on normal installs, i suspect there is a vmware problem then...06:08
ograno errors during install and you used the default IP the installer offers ? 06:09
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Yagisanno errors at all on install - and I used the defaults06:10
Yagisan:(:'(:( I just plugged a pci video card into the p2l97 and found out what the beeping means - corrupt bios06:12
ograhmm...06:12
Yagisanis it dependent on the ethernet mac address ?06:14
ogranot at all, no06:15
Yagisanok. just wondering why it won't bring eth0 up06:15
ograthe problem is that the dhcp.conf isnt autogenerated, if the IP of eth0 doesnt match the range in there it fails to install edubuntu-desktop, so the ltsp-update-sshkeys isnt run06:16
ograand the tftpserver which gets installed after dhcpd might not be set up corretctly...06:16
ograin any case it looks like you eth0 isnt even up during install06:17
Yagisanwell edubuntu-desktop is installed06:17
ograerr06:18
ograedubuntu-server06:18
Yagisanedubuntu-server too06:18
ograsudo apt-get -f install doesn nothing ? 06:19
ograor dpkg --configure -a06:20
YagisanI just ran "dpkg --configure -a" and didn't get any output06:21
Yagisanthe packages are installed according to aptitude06:21
ograyup looks like06:21
ograi suspect its some vmware speciality...06:22
Yagisantypical06:22
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ograanything in bugzilla about eth0 not being configured right ? 06:22
Yagisanhaven't checked yet06:23
YagisanI noticed I still can't do lvm over raid in breezy06:23
ograyou can, as long as you use a /boot partition not on LVM06:24
ograits a known bug06:24
ograi think its grub who cant handle it right06:25
Yagisaneth0 - not bugs found06:25
Yagisanmy /boot is never lvm anyway06:25
ograhmm, most of these are Kamion questions... you could ask him tomorrow, i'm not this familiar with the installer...06:26
YagisanI intend to grab some screenshots from my next install for that06:27
YagisanI reported similar bug with hoary (+ workaround)06:27
Yagisanwhy was the screensaver changed ?06:28
ogragnome-screensaver wasnt ready06:28
ograbut mark wanted us to change to it...06:29
ogranow we convinced him to change back, but he requires that the lock window shall look similar06:29
ogra(takes me ages to make that happen)06:29
ograhttp://www.grawert.net/xss.html06:30
Yagisanthe existing lock screen with the bar that decreases06:31
Yagisanthat's xscreensaver isn't it ?06:31
Yagisan(hoary system here)06:31
ograyup06:32
YagisanI like that06:33
ograi dont like the timer for example...06:33
Yagisanyou don't ?06:33
ograthe new dialog just extends the time by 3 seconds for every keystroke, so the window wont disappear as long as you type06:33
ograand it has no scary timer anymore that sets the user under pressue06:34
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rejdeni'm curious, how is edubuntu i10n handled?07:05
ograrejden, through language packs, we inherit the loclization into 90 languages from ubuntu07:19
rejdenand what about the nontranslated software?07:21
ogranearly all in main is translated07:22
ograif yu mean the universe software, there you can only expect that amount of translation upstream offers, but you can translate every app in ubuntu through rosetta if you like07:23
rejdenactually i'm building a team of translators because we want to do some propaganda in school sector07:27
rejdenyeah i know about the rosseta, but it takes some time until things settle :)07:27
ograheh, yes, but its already quite famous07:28
rejdenit's not about famous07:28
rejdenbtw are you familiar with rosetta?07:29
ograonly very rough, i'm not a translator :)07:30
ogra(i tested it and did some translation work with it to try it)07:30
rejdenso i try to ask ;) here is done translation https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+lang/ and if you enter any language you see all the translated documents and who translated them, but the person who did it isn't listable (like his email adress and such) i was wandering if there is any list of "clickable" people for current language07:31
ograhmm, thats rather a question for #launchpad then, i'm not too much in the details of rosetta07:33
rejdeni'll try07:34
ogra:)07:35
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