[12:04] <JonnyRo> hello
[12:07] <Darth> hi
[12:08] <JonnyRo> Darth: hows it going
[12:08] <Darth> so far.... so good...
[12:08] <JonnyRo> glad to hear people are working on LTSP with ubuntu
[12:08] <JonnyRo> i've been wanting to set up thin clients for a while
[12:08] <Darth> whats LTSP
[12:08] <Darth> sorry, im such a newb
[12:08] <JonnyRo> linux terminal server project
[12:08] <Darth> nice
[12:09] <JonnyRo> edubuntu in general (if i understand correctly) can make use of that tech to let you run thin clients
[12:09] <JonnyRo> so you can run small embedded pc's at each students' desktop
[12:13] <Darth> hmm interesting
[12:13] <Darth> what about in other stuff like in PDA's or cellphones?
[12:14] <JonnyRo> nothing to do with that
[12:15] <JonnyRo> well, unless the PDA can run a LTSP client, which is i guess possible with the PocketPC systems
[12:16] <Darth> hmm interesting
[12:17] <JonnyRo> Darth: what brings you to #edubuntu?  are you an educator?
[12:17] <Darth> pretty close
[12:17] <Darth> im a college student =)
[12:17] <JonnyRo> ah
[12:17] <JonnyRo> you've been using Ubuntu on your PC yet?
[12:17] <Darth> yeah, im just using the LiveCD though
[12:17] <Darth> havent had the time yet to install it
[12:17] <Darth> honestly, just lazy
[12:18] <JonnyRo> Edubuntu as far as I know is primarily centered around making Ubuntu work in a classroom lab setting
[12:18] <JonnyRo> so the teacher can interact with the students
[12:18] <JonnyRo> and influence their desktops
[12:18] <JonnyRo> Regular ubuntu is probably best for normal workstation use
[12:18] <Darth> u mean like take it over?
[12:20] <JonnyRo> Darth: I dont know if it supports this yet, but i'd imagine it would be cool for a teacher to be able to show a student how to do something
[12:20] <JonnyRo> via thier own pc
[12:20] <JonnyRo> from the front of the room
[12:20] <Darth> yeah.... that would be a great tool to make...
[12:20] <JonnyRo> i know they can push files and stuff around already
[12:20] <JonnyRo> not too sure on the other aspect
[12:20] <JonnyRo> Where do you go to school?
[12:20] <Darth> The City College of NY
[12:23] <JonnyRo> cool
[12:24] <Darth> so are u involved in edubuntu in anyway JohnnyRo?
[12:24] <JonnyRo> nope, but i'm definately interested
[12:24] <JonnyRo> I am very excited about using thin client setups
[12:24] <JonnyRo> at business locations
[12:24] <JonnyRo> I tried using the stuff from K12-LTSP ages ago
[12:24] <JonnyRo> but it was somewhat immature 
[12:24] <JonnyRo> at the time
[12:25] <JonnyRo> Ubuntu provides such an awesome user experience that I would love to be able to implement that cheaply.
[12:25] <Darth> well Ubuntu is free... i guess that is as cheap as you are gonna get...
[12:26] <JonnyRo> free as in dollars, but depending on how easy stuff is to set up, you end up paying in time
[12:26] <Darth> ahh tru
[12:26] <JonnyRo> Ubuntu is just great for a workstation computer that you do a full install on
[12:27] <JonnyRo> that was a huge timesaver
[12:27] <Darth> lol
[12:27] <JonnyRo> But for thin clients, I will have to experiment first
[12:27] <Darth> so what do u do for a living?
[12:28] <JonnyRo> IT Manager
[12:29] <Darth> where?
[12:29] <JonnyRo> Florida
[12:30] <Darth> nice
[12:30] <JonnyRo> It's a decent living
[12:30] <JonnyRo> lots of research though
[12:30] <JonnyRo> constant learning
[12:31] <Darth> eh
[12:31] <Darth> i hate learning
[12:31] <Darth> i like doing
[12:31] <Darth> =)
[12:31] <JonnyRo> everyone's got their own style
[12:31] <Darth> wo a doubt
[12:34] <Darth> brb
[12:58] <spacey> JonnyRo, edubuntu makes thin client setup really easy
[12:59] <spacey> so its easy in ubuntu itself with the right packages
[12:59] <rejden> which packages?
[01:00] <spacey> the ltsp packages i guess:)
[01:01] <spacey> in breezy
[01:02] <rejden> didn't tried thinkclient things yet
[01:02] <rejden> it's good?
[01:02] <JonnyRo> i definately think it's time to download breezy
[01:02] <JonnyRo> and start trying things out
[01:02] <rejden> i'm too busy with writing things atm
[01:03] <rejden> but i put it in my ToDo things for sure
[01:03] <JonnyRo> ubuntulinux.org feels a bit on the slow side
[01:06] <JonnyRo> alright folks, have a nice night
[01:06] <JonnyRo> cya
[01:07] <spacey> goodnight
[01:07] <spacey> rejden, yes its good, and freenx is cool too
[01:09] <rejden> oh, i will prolly have some lame questions while try to test
[01:26] <shaga> good morning all
[01:55] <rejden> same to you shaga 
[06:03] <Yagisan> G'day ogra
[06:04] <Yagisan> Installed the daily cd yesterday in vmware. Still needed to add eth0 to the auto line in interfaces
[06:07] <Yagisan> and had to run the ltsp-update-sshkeys
[06:07] <Yagisan> hmm- my p2l97 is beeping at me
[06:08] <ogra> hmm, works flawless on normal installs, i suspect there is a vmware problem then...
[06:09] <ogra> no errors during install and you used the default IP the installer offers ? 
[06:10] <Yagisan> no errors at all on install - and I used the defaults
[06:12] <Yagisan> :(:'(:( I just plugged a pci video card into the p2l97 and found out what the beeping means - corrupt bios
[06:12] <ogra> hmm...
[06:14] <Yagisan> is it dependent on the ethernet mac address ?
[06:15] <ogra> not at all, no
[06:15] <Yagisan> ok. just wondering why it won't bring eth0 up
[06:16] <ogra> the problem is that the dhcp.conf isnt autogenerated, if the IP of eth0 doesnt match the range in there it fails to install edubuntu-desktop, so the ltsp-update-sshkeys isnt run
[06:16] <ogra> and the tftpserver which gets installed after dhcpd might not be set up corretctly...
[06:17] <ogra> in any case it looks like you eth0 isnt even up during install
[06:17] <Yagisan> well edubuntu-desktop is installed
[06:18] <ogra> err
[06:18] <ogra> edubuntu-server
[06:18] <Yagisan> edubuntu-server too
[06:19] <ogra> sudo apt-get -f install doesn nothing ? 
[06:20] <ogra> or dpkg --configure -a
[06:21] <Yagisan> I just ran "dpkg --configure -a" and didn't get any output
[06:21] <Yagisan> the packages are installed according to aptitude
[06:21] <ogra> yup looks like
[06:22] <ogra> i suspect its some vmware speciality...
[06:22] <Yagisan> typical
[06:22] <ogra> anything in bugzilla about eth0 not being configured right ? 
[06:23] <Yagisan> haven't checked yet
[06:23] <Yagisan> I noticed I still can't do lvm over raid in breezy
[06:24] <ogra> you can, as long as you use a /boot partition not on LVM
[06:24] <ogra> its a known bug
[06:25] <ogra> i think its grub who cant handle it right
[06:25] <Yagisan> eth0 - not bugs found
[06:25] <Yagisan> my /boot is never lvm anyway
[06:26] <ogra> hmm, most of these are Kamion questions... you could ask him tomorrow, i'm not this familiar with the installer...
[06:27] <Yagisan> I intend to grab some screenshots from my next install for that
[06:27] <Yagisan> I reported similar bug with hoary (+ workaround)
[06:28] <Yagisan> why was the screensaver changed ?
[06:28] <ogra> gnome-screensaver wasnt ready
[06:29] <ogra> but mark wanted us to change to it...
[06:29] <ogra> now we convinced him to change back, but he requires that the lock window shall look similar
[06:29] <ogra> (takes me ages to make that happen)
[06:30] <ogra> http://www.grawert.net/xss.html
[06:31] <Yagisan> the existing lock screen with the bar that decreases
[06:31] <Yagisan> that's xscreensaver isn't it ?
[06:31] <Yagisan> (hoary system here)
[06:32] <ogra> yup
[06:33] <Yagisan> I like that
[06:33] <ogra> i dont like the timer for example...
[06:33] <Yagisan> you don't ?
[06:33] <ogra> the new dialog just extends the time by 3 seconds for every keystroke, so the window wont disappear as long as you type
[06:34] <ogra> and it has no scary timer anymore that sets the user under pressue
[07:05] <rejden> i'm curious, how is edubuntu i10n handled?
[07:19] <ogra> rejden, through language packs, we inherit the loclization into 90 languages from ubuntu
[07:21] <rejden> and what about the nontranslated software?
[07:22] <ogra> nearly all in main is translated
[07:23] <ogra> if yu mean the universe software, there you can only expect that amount of translation upstream offers, but you can translate every app in ubuntu through rosetta if you like
[07:27] <rejden> actually i'm building a team of translators because we want to do some propaganda in school sector
[07:27] <rejden> yeah i know about the rosseta, but it takes some time until things settle :)
[07:28] <ogra> heh, yes, but its already quite famous
[07:28] <rejden> it's not about famous
[07:29] <rejden> btw are you familiar with rosetta?
[07:30] <ogra> only very rough, i'm not a translator :)
[07:30] <ogra> (i tested it and did some translation work with it to try it)
[07:31] <rejden> so i try to ask ;) here is done translation https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+lang/ and if you enter any language you see all the translated documents and who translated them, but the person who did it isn't listable (like his email adress and such) i was wandering if there is any list of "clickable" people for current language
[07:33] <ogra> hmm, thats rather a question for #launchpad then, i'm not too much in the details of rosetta
[07:34] <rejden> i'll try
[07:35] <ogra> :)