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How are you? [05:09] half alive [05:10] :-( How come? Too much partying? :-) === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-13-72.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:20] nah, not enough partying ;) [05:24] Heh === tritium [n=michael@pcp0011975002pcs.sandia01.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === karlheg [n=karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [i=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [n=michael@pcp0011975002pcs.sandia01.nm.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === ivoks [n=ivoks@lns01-0266.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === markuman [n=markuman@p50925C52.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [n=michael@pcp0011975002pcs.sandia01.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _trulux [n=lorenzo@67.Red-80-25-56.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === patricia [n=patricia@200-247-30-253-mns.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-38-8.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burglaptop [n=corey@S0106001217da6aab.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Valandil [n=chrys@dsl-084-056-118-009.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [n=michael@pcp0011975002pcs.sandia01.nm.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === slomo [n=slomo@p5487FC9F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@c149078.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-38-8.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vrln [n=vrln@a80-186-14-196.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _tonio [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:36] <_tonio> hi everyone [10:37] morning [10:37] hi [10:37] w00t. finally a fixed lyx in unstable :) [10:38] actually still in incoming.. [10:38] now is the orig.tar.gz the same as what we have in breezy? === siretart checks [10:39] siretart: we already have a fixed lyx ;) === ajmitch would prefer to use debian's lyx [10:39] slomo: I wanted to wait for the debian version. the debian version fixes many bugs [10:40] plus: away from yada [10:40] ok, sounds good [10:40] yada is annoying [10:40] if the orig.tar.gz is different, we may have some troubles [10:40] then let's hope he used the upstream tarball and nothing else [10:40] puh. md5sums matches! [10:40] good [10:40] so it'll be easier to sync & drop ubuntu changes [10:41] I think \sh maintains the tosync list, doesnt he? [10:41] ajmitch: service discovery applet is uploaded :) === lamont [n=lamont@dhcp-sn38-024.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:41] perhaps we should establish 'sync managers' ;) [10:42] slomo: good :) [10:42] good idea... this way elmo didn't get 100000 mails by 100 people who want to sync something but only one mail per day or something [10:42] siretart: bddebian already does that fairly well ;) [10:42] besides, syncs should just matter in the time after UVF [10:43] it'll be open season for auto-syncing once dapper opens [10:43] <_tonio> little question, does anyone know a QT based email client that can connect to MS Exchange like evolution does ? [10:43] ajmitch: infact it was in NEW before it was on revu ;) uploaded to the wrong server first :( but i sent elmo a mail to remove it, he didn't yet so it should be fine ;) [10:43] slomo: heh [10:43] slomo: why ask him to remove it? [10:43] ajmitch: because it wasn't approved in revu yet [10:44] so? [10:44] just causes more hassle for elmo [10:44] ajmitch: we should definitly sync debian lyx for breezy === ivoks [n=ivoks@lns01-0817.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:44] we can forgive some slip-ups like that, slomo [10:44] ajmitch: now it is and i send him a mail to keep it... [10:44] really, I had closer look at lyx, and from what I see from the changelog, the debian one is a must have [10:44] yep [10:44] siretart: so get it :) [10:44] thank bob2 :) [10:45] yepp :) [10:45] ahm... hr.archive.ubuntu.com - connection refused [10:45] us. too [10:46] is this only me or something is going on? [10:46] yep [10:46] broken servers [10:46] so i think elmo won't care about s-d-a for awhile ;) [10:46] this is bad publicity [10:46] ajmitch: it's not the only upload in NEW by me ;) and tomorrow will come another [10:47] ajmitch: and i have some stuff in binary NEW it seems [10:48] slomo: hehe, yeah [10:48] I've hardly done any uploads recently [10:48] btw... please look out for similar bugs like this one here: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/2471 [10:48] i think some packages should have same problems [10:48] oh fun [10:49] crack-laden software :) === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:57] hello === lamont [n=lamont@dhcp-sn38-024.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:10] ajmitch: what is s-d-a? [11:10] siretart: service-discovery-applet [11:10] what slomo uploaded [11:11] ah [11:12] does anyone know whats going on with us.archive.ubuntu.com? I ask, because it also hosts security.ubuntu.com :/ === MagnusR [n=magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lamont [n=lamont@dhcp-sn38-024.hrz.uni-oldenburg.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === aquarius [n=aquarius@82-37-94-127.cable.ubr04.dudl.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:40] Where should I file bugs on universe packages? And how can I know whether a package is in main or universe? [11:48] aquarius: https://launchpad.net/malone [11:49] ah, malone is all ready and working? I wasn't sure. [11:49] and apt-cache madison will tell you if it's universe or main [11:49] <\sh> moins [11:49] we've been using it for a few months for universe [11:49] hey \sh === \sh will never say again: "sleeping 1 hour" [11:50] <\sh> my body needed actually 13 hours of sleep *sigh* [11:50] haha [11:50] I had that a couple of weeks ago [11:50] fell into bed & went straight to sleep [11:51] <\sh> hehe..yeah..I just wanted to take little timeout and wake up again..but i didn't hear my alarm and this morning I thought.."wow..1 hour sleep and there is daylight" ,-) [11:52] <\sh> hu..archive.ubuntu.com is not available? [12:00] is the breezy security server down? I'm getting a connection refused [12:08] <\sh> vrln: archive.ubuntu.com is down [12:10] oh ok, was just wondering if it's a known issue [12:11] ajmitch: I'm confused now; I've tried filing a bug against python2.4-gnome2-extras in malone, but it says that that's an "invalid value". [12:11] aquarius: because it's a package in main? [12:12] ok... see you later :) bye bye [12:12] ajmitch: apt-cache madison says it's in hoary/universe [12:12] ah, hoary.. [12:13] Oh. Can I not use malone until breezy? [12:13] no, it's just that you're very unlikely to see the bug fixed in hoary [12:13] and malone was setup for universe use for breezy [12:13] I agree, and that's fine, but I don't want to file the bug against breezy because I'm not *running* breezy :-) [12:14] <\sh> aquarius: so u have to check first, if the bug still exists in breezy ;) === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:14] \sh: I can't do that, afaict, without upgrading to breezy, which is a massive no-no for my main machine :) [12:15] If someone here would like to test a Python one-liner for me to see if it segfaults in breezy, that'd be really handy :) [12:15] <\sh> aquarius: so file the bug at all, tell that u r using hoary, and then someone must confirm the bug for breezy...or it's fixed in breezy ;) [12:15] <\sh> aquarius: give me the one liner ;) [12:15] \sh: product isn't loaded in malone, I guess :) [12:15] <\sh> ajmitch: doesn't matter... [12:15] <\sh> ajmitch: fill in nothing and metion the name in the subject ;) [12:15] \sh: yep, but I can't file it anywhere, beccause, I think, it's in universe in hoary but in main in breezy, so I can't file it in bugzilla.ubuntu.com or in malone. [12:16] \sh: python -c "import gtk,gtkmozembed;m = gtkmozembed.MozEmbed();m.destroy();g2 = gtk.Window();m2 = gtkmozembed.MozEmbed();g2.add(m2);g2.show_all()" [12:16] \sh: you'll need python2.4-gnome2-extras [12:16] <\sh> aquarius: segfault [12:17] ha. So it's still a bug in breezy, then :) [12:17] OK, so where should I file the bug? [12:17] morning \sh [12:18] <\sh> aquarius: bugzilla..it's in main [12:18] <\sh> hey siretart [12:18] \sh: yesterday you said you had a list of packages to sync, right? [12:19] <\sh> siretart: yepp [12:19] \sh: cheers. === fred_ [n=fred@82-32-125-115.cable.ubr04.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:19] \sh: I assume it is not MOTUToSync [12:19] <\sh> aquarius: give me the bug-no when u done...and I confirm [12:19] \sh: could you please add lyx to that list? [12:19] \sh: 16281 [12:19] <\sh> siretart: no...it's in my tomboy note...I'll write a mail to elmo with all packages [12:20] okay [12:20] then we should take of the MOTUToSync list. it seems outdated anyway [12:20] <\sh> hmm..who checked out gtkpod to sync? [12:21] <\sh> have to check the logs [12:21] hm. lyx does not build in ubuntu, wrong gcc version [12:22] so adaptions will be necessary anyway. *sigh* [12:23] <\sh> siretart: so merge then sync [12:23] <\sh> siretart: did u checked gtkpod? if it builds correctly? [12:23] not yet [12:23] <\sh> and works? [12:23] sorry [12:24] lyx wants g++-4.0 (>= 4.0.1-8) [12:24] ubuntu has 4.0.1-4ubuntu8 [12:24] hmpf [12:25] <\sh> siretart: merge it :) and don't lose the changelog entries ;) [12:25] hm. ubuntu changes can be dopped, so no change necessary [12:26] it is only about to get the debian version building === fred_ [n=fred@82-32-125-115.cable.ubr04.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:27] \sh: cheers for the confirmation. [12:30] <\sh> siretart: ok... [12:35] gnarf. us.archive.ubuntu.com beeing down is now quite annoying :/ [12:35] <\sh> siretart: ftp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu is working [12:35] \sh: I dont want to fiddle with the pbuilder settings on tiber [12:36] <\sh> ah [12:36] lets hope http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=328684 does not affect ubuntu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@pcp09354977pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:37] <\sh> siretart: doko is the maintainer he has to know :) [12:38] jupp [12:39] ajmitch: where did you take the deb of bzr for tiber? [12:39] siretart: look in sources.list [12:39] ah. thanks [12:39] I put in jbailey's snapshot repository there [12:40] thanks. I thought he had only daily [12:40] it is [12:40] 0.0.8+20050922-0 is installed === aquarius [n=aquarius@82-37-94-127.cable.ubr04.dudl.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === Natja [n=Natja@245-218.240.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:52] <\sh> siretart: check /home/shermann/getkey.sh please...it should help to add unknown keys to revu [12:52] <\sh> siretart: we could distribute it via /etc/skel === shackan [n=shackan@host206-80.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487FC9F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:47] \sh: has the side effect, that the key ends up in your personal keyring, but is generally fine. I think /usr/local/bin/getkey is a better place than /etc/skel, though [01:48] hey, archive is back! [01:51] <\sh> siretart: well...or we should try to search a solution that it's included directly in the revu key... [01:51] <\sh> siretart: so revu-key add 0xkeyid or something === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-83-29.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:52] I think that including it in the personal keyring first is perfectly acceptable [01:52] <\sh> lets see for revu2 ;) [01:52] revu-key import would be a solution.. [01:52] :) [01:53] will hack something for revu-key.. lets see [01:53] <\sh> siretart: hehe :) [01:57] \sh: ok, revu-key import 0xdeadbeef should work now [01:57] <\sh> siretart: wow..that was fast [01:57] check the diff, though. keyserver.ubuntu.com is hardcoded [02:00] <\sh> siretart: ist keyserver.ubuntu.com irgendwie verbaendelt mit den anderen keyservern? [02:00] \sh: yes, it syncs with other keyservers [02:00] <\sh> *sigh* [02:00] <\sh> sorry ;) [02:00] no problem for me ;) [02:01] I'm not sure how fast it is, but it sould sync rather quickly === _jaldhar is now known as jaldhar [02:03] wow: gpg: key D70AAFF9: "Matthias Urlichs " 956 new signatures === Cimmerian [n=crom@80.239.71.230] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xerxas [n=xerxas@35.107.98-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:16] hi [02:17] someone using rhythmbox in breezy ? [02:17] I don't seem to have gnome-vfs support anymore [02:29] xerxas: I do [02:29] xerxas: I'll check the vfs [02:29] xerxas: nope [02:39] zyga: it works ? , === bddebian [n=bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:44] \sh: whats up with jdong? [02:44] Heya siretart [02:44] Burgundavia: ping? [02:44] <\sh> his ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net should be closed down...more problems then anything else [02:44] <\sh> hey bddebian [02:44] Hi \sh [02:44] huhu bddebian [02:45] \sh: this we keep telling since it existed ;) [02:45] <\sh> siretart: yes...but now we have official backports..and he is still fcking around there and breaks the systems [02:45] Grr, I'm gonna kill my wife.. :-( [02:45] \sh: but in general, he seems to read ubuntu-backports@lists.ubuntu.com [02:45] perhaps you can catch him there [02:46] bddebian: don't do anything you'll regret later! we still need you, you know [02:46] <\sh> siretart: he should read the planet [02:46] siretart: I started ANOTHER axiom build before I went to work and she shut-off my machine this morning!!!! :-) [02:47] <\sh> bddebian: rotfl [02:47] <\sh> bddebian: no point to kill her ;-) [02:47] ;-) [02:47] D00d, that thing takes HOURS to build :-) [02:47] bddebian: build on tiber ;) [02:48] <\sh> bddebian: dude...this was a sign of her [02:48] <\sh> bddebian: start the build and produce one more baby ;-) === siretart often uses tiber for building packages which need a lot of time.. [02:48] hahaha, No thanks. Three is plenty :-) [02:48] <\sh> bddebian: when it takes hours...produce 4 new babies ;) [02:49] Wouldn't mind "practicing" though ;-) [02:49] \sh: btw, no need to sync lyx, I'll upload a version with looser dependencies in a minute [02:49] <\sh> siretart: k [02:49] <\sh> siretart: I'm testing the other syncs [02:49] <\sh> bddebian: see...this is the correct solution ;) [02:50] Is /usr/X11R6/include still valid? I only see two .h files in there [02:50] <\sh> bddebian: sudo pbuilder build axiom -> WIFE, LET'S PRACTICE ;) [02:50] heh [02:52] <\sh> ogra [02:52] <\sh> OGRA! [02:53] <\sh> ok...sync of sylpheed-claws-gtk2 -> denied [02:53] <_tonio> \sh: did you have any news concerning amarok 1.3.2 in breezy ? The actual version is really crappy :( [02:53] <_tonio> hi evryone ;) [02:53] <\sh> _tonio: no...mdz didn't say a word..and he is off now [02:53] <\sh> weekend [02:53] <_tonio> arf..... [02:54] <\sh> _tonio: what is crappy with 1.3.1? [02:54] <_tonio> with gstreamer, alsa is unavailable, artsd uses 90% cpu, ands only oss seems to work fine..... [02:54] <_tonio> with xine it is ok, I admit [02:54] okay, lyx uploaded [02:56] <_tonio> \sh: but oss......... well if you don't have a card that performs hardware mixing, oss su*** really ! [02:58] <\sh> _tonio: let's be glad, that 1.3.1 is in breezy after UVF [02:58] <_tonio> \sh: UVF ? I don't understand ;) [02:58] <\sh> Upstream Version Freeze [02:59] <\sh> _tonio: and amarok is main..so it was a risk anyways [02:59] <_tonio> I know that ;) but really the gstreamer plugin causes many problem with version 1.3.1 [02:59] <\sh> _tonio: what problems? only because there is no alsa? === dooglus_ [n=dooglus@r2m7.chello.upc.cz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:00] <_tonio> no alsa and arts uses 90% cpu..... [03:00] <\sh> _tonio: no..not on my computer, not on riddels [03:00] <_tonio> ah ? [03:00] <_tonio> strage really ! [03:01] <\sh> _tonio: are u using beagle? [03:01] <_tonio> \sh: absolutly not [03:01] <_tonio> \sh: nothing special at all... [03:01] <\sh> 10974 shermann 16 0 89352 50m 25m S 6.0 10.0 8:20.35 amarokapp [03:02] <\sh> even gnome-terminal uses more cpu-time then amarok === Lathiat laughs [03:02] <_tonio> \sh: hu ???? damn artsd works fine now... [03:03] <_tonio> I had the problem last week, we saw that with Riddell and..... well it works ;) [03:04] <\sh> _tonio: hmm..infinite loops in your mp3 ? ,-) [03:04] <_tonio> \sh: ;) It seems I had a personnal issue last week or something ;) [03:04] <\sh> _tonio: btw..amarok-1.3.2 uses more ram then 1.3.1 strange I know [03:05] <_tonio> \sh: I have seen that when Riddell asked me to test yes..... but anyway on my computer it was really better ;) [03:05] <\sh> _tonio: but 1.3.2 has a nicer volume slider [03:06] <\sh> Lathiat: nothing to laugh about ,-) [03:06] <_tonio> \sh: I have seen that indeed :) [03:08] <\sh> bah..for sylpheed-claws-gtk2 i need a new sync of libetpan [03:10] <\sh> _tonio: http://www.last.fm/user/shermann/ <- have a look...it runs and runs [03:16] Anyone see a problem with syncing a new zipios++ ? [03:17] <\sh> bddebian: u checked it and it has no other rdepends on it? [03:18] wesnoth and enigma [03:18] <\sh> hmmm [03:18] <\sh> wesnoth is not working right? [03:18] i am just posting the depends [03:19] wesnoth was the first package igor built for sparc ;) [03:20] \sh: enigma.. oh [03:20] \sh: There is a Malone bug about it [03:21] tseng: Did you happen to look at grep-dctrl for any build-deps on libzipios...-dev? [03:22] <\sh> siretart: i requested the syncs (gtkpod is ok, so don't ping elmo ;)) === wickedpuppy [n=wicked@cm200.epsilon164.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:29] bddebian: no. === sedak [n=fred@82-32-125-115.cable.ubr04.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:30] is it still possible to add a package to universe once breezy ships? === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@pcp09354977pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:31] no [03:31] <\sh> zyga: no [03:32] darn... I need to get going then... [03:33] \sh: will dapper have the same restriction [03:33] \sh: (I mean... 5 years?) [03:33] yes. [03:33] but new releases are still going to happen every 6 months? [03:33] yes.. [03:34] :-) [03:34] <\sh> zyga: main is 5 years on server installs / 3 years for desktop [03:34] <\sh> zyga: but universe/multiverse is frozen === ogra [n=ogra@p5089FCEC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:43] <\sh> ogra: moins :) [03:43] \sh, hey.. [03:44] do you read the ubuntu-de ML ? [03:44] <\sh> no [03:44] lucky you... i'm slowly going mad... [03:44] <\sh> ogra: sylpheed-claws-gtk2 doesn't build without a newer version of libetpan [03:44] <\sh> ogra: I requested the sync of libetpan first..then sylpheed [03:45] <\sh> ogra: link to the archives? [03:45] Grrr, I'm beginning to really hate axiom [03:45] just beginning to? :) [03:45] ajmitch: Heh [03:46] Anyone happen to know why Burgundavia got assigned all the missing .desktop bugs on Malone? Does he want to do something with them? === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:47] bddebian, he once started to collect the packagelist for the missing .desktop files... [03:47] Well I "fixed" one last night and I want to make sure I'm not stepping on any toes :-) === dooglus_ [n=dooglus@r2m7.chello.upc.cz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@pcp09354977pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:57] so you guys are all paniced trying to get brezzy out on time? [03:58] nope... just hard working [03:59] ok :) [03:59] when is the official release date? [03:59] oct 13 [03:59] cool, not far off at all [04:00] I finally have ubuntu on my workstation, but it is far from setup yet :( [04:00] is there a way to update the menus in gnome/kde after package installation? === _jaldhar is now known as jaldhar [04:03] Does apt-get.org not keep source packages? [04:05] apt-get.org is not a repository itself, it only provides an index for repositories. [04:05] Well aye. I found babytrans on one if their repos but can't find a source package === eruin [n=eruin@unaffiliated/eruin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:05] anyone familiar with building banshee here? [04:06] yes [04:07] do you know whether gtk-sharp2 in breezy provides what's needed for ipod-sharp? [04:07] huh? [04:07] bddebian, thats common, yo often find only binary packages in the apt-get.org repos, thats why we need to sort and review them before using anything from there [04:07] eruin: apt-get build-dep banshee; [04:07] eruin: if there is some reason you cant use our package [04:07] ogra: Well babytrans is already in the archive but it depends babytrans-common which is not, nor is the source package. Morgue it? === UbuntuOne [n=UbuntuOn@83-131-242-176.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:08] tseng, the current breezy package crashes badly on connected ipods [04:08] not mine [04:08] supposedly fixed in svn [04:08] yes. [04:08] bddebian, yup [04:08] it has something to do with itunes5 db handling/gtkpod db [04:08] ogra: OK, thx [04:08] bddebian, it comes from marillat afaik [04:08] Aye [04:08] oh, you screwd up your ipod [04:08] yes [04:15] <\sh> gtkpod is requested for a sync... === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@pcp09354977pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@pcp09354977pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:32] Damnit, gpac is the same problem.. === bddebian starts to fall asleep waiting on axiom build.... === havoc is faling alseep reading a *long* RFI :( === hubW patch pmount *again* === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@pcp09354977pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === havoc hates state contracts === zakame [n=zakame@210.213.70.150] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:42] although it is an oportunity to get ubuntu on *up to* ~600,000 k12 machines [04:42] Nice [04:42] bddebian: yeah, but it's only at the RFI stage right now [04:42] these things progress *sllllooooooooowwwly* [04:42] hello all [04:43] havoc: I know that feeling :-) [04:43] Hello zakame [04:43] and my company is only a sub [04:43] for the bidder [04:43] bddebian, hi! :D [04:44] if you've ever worked on a state contract you get a very good idea where all of your tax dollars go :( [05:00] <_tonio> \sh: http://www.last.fm/user/shermann/ -> I had a look, works nice ;) But really slow for me ;) === blueyed [n=daniel@iD4CC1BA0.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@pcp09354977pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar_ is now known as jaldhar [05:09] ogra: Hmm, I did find source for babytrans-common [05:10] Hmm and ffmpeg2 which provides libavcodec2 [05:11] ajmitch: Hey Mr. Policy, what's your opinion on bringing babytrans-common and ffmpeg2 into multiverse at this stage of the game? :-) (If they even build of course) === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:12] you're asking me why? [05:12] ajmitch: Because you were concerned with UVF and such recently [05:13] and because you're smarter than me :-) [05:13] bah [05:13] <\sh> bddebian: babytrans-common...there is something why it's not in our repos.. [05:13] <\sh> bddebian: elmo is the right person...or check the license [05:13] bddebian, i never looked at babytrans, but i know the package we have is from marillat === ajmitch is just a lowly MOTU [05:14] ogra: Well I have a similar problem for gpac which build-deps libavcodec2-dev wich also comes from marillat from ffmpeg2 source package === bddebian still wonders why he tries to help [05:15] bddebian: it's 3am here, don't expect any coherent advice from me [05:17] Well go to bed homey [05:20] I am :) [05:20] laptops are great [05:20] <\sh> ajmitch: u should sleep .. u r much more worse then me === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:21] \sh: nah [05:21] I'll sleep later in the week :) [05:21] lo all [05:21] <\sh> ajmitch: hehe === ajmitch is subjecting the laptop to the ultimate dishonour at the moment, running XP [05:23] Heya spayne === spayne is going to have another bash at packaging for Ubuntu [05:27] spayne: Awesome === ivoks [n=ivoks@lns01-0846.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:33] Heya ivoks [05:34] hey [05:34] i have been fiddling with SUSE RPM packaging [05:34] how does it compare? [05:34] it seems easier to me [05:34] with ubuntu? :) [05:34] no [05:35] i chucked openSUSE this morning [05:35] ah... [05:35] all it seems you need to do is write a .spec file [05:35] <\sh> spayne: RPMs are lame packages... [05:35] very true [05:36] but is it harder/easier on ubuntu in your opinion \sh? [05:36] it's harder [05:36] <\sh> spayne: debian packages are of higher quality [05:36] but it gives better results [05:36] :) [05:36] deb is supirior to rpm [05:36] <\sh> spayne: RPMs are just "write here write there and break this" [05:36] i agree [05:36] superior [05:37] rpm has some fine features that deb lacks, but when you look it, deb is much more advance [05:37] yep [05:37] <\sh> but beros kde rpm packages for redhat were the high standards of packaging ever ;) [05:37] <\sh> We certainly didn't rename [05:38] <\sh> ugh [05:38] many debian pkgs are strictly following debian-policy, which carries over to ubuntu pkgs [05:38] <\sh> copy & paste buffer + cleaning the touchpad is evil ;) [05:39] what were the links to the tutorials on the Wiki for packaging [05:41] spayne: google -> debian maintainer guide [05:42] hm... [05:42] <\sh> spayne: wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources [05:42] check out this :) [05:42] i have wrong time on my comp [05:42] 11:42AM [05:42] when i do ntpdate [05:42] <\sh> need to do some real life work [05:42] i get: [05:42] \sh: Nahh :-) [05:42] timestamp too far in the future: Sep 25 17:40:38 2005 [05:43] question. how can i change time then? :) [05:43] debian-newmaint [05:43] <\sh> date ? [05:43] \sh: i know, but... ntpdate should work [05:43] <\sh> bddebian: of course...I need my pants for tomorrow ;) [05:43] heh [05:43] <\sh> ivoks: hmmm.... [05:43] \sh: time-admin freezes [05:45] <\sh> strange [05:45] ivoks, file a bug [05:45] ogra: will do [05:45] <\sh> use htdate [05:45] date doesn't work either :) [05:45] major problem, or? [05:46] how about translation errors on the date? [05:46] <\sh> ivoks: hmm..did u installed your ubuntu with the wrong date somehow? [05:46] \sh: no [05:46] i changed time now [05:46] <\sh> hmmm [05:46] wanted to test syncronize [05:46] in Tagalog, September is `Setiyembre', not `Septiyembre' [05:47] is the debian/rules anything like the .spec fil [05:47] *file [05:47] where it defines patches, install, make, distclean etc..? [05:47] rules isjust a makefile [05:47] <\sh> spayne: yes [05:48] spacey, yep [05:48] oops, spayne , not spacey [05:49] rmp spec files are makefiles to ? [05:49] rpm even [05:51] ogra, just a bit of it has some make rules, iirc [05:51] Aaaaaahhhh I HATE AXIOM [05:53] ah, jdong is alive :) [05:53] rules files comply fully to the make standard and syntax, it actually is a makefile, i'm not very familiar with rpm, but i think spec is a mix from rules, control and other stuff in the debian dir [05:53] true [05:53] siretart, seems like, he broke a lot of systems recently [05:53] jupp [05:55] <\sh> ogra: no...but it's a bit like it === Natja [n=Natja@120-65.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:58] guess i'll have to restart [05:58] :[[[[[[ [05:59] is jdong funny or not? [05:59] not funny at all [05:59] <\sh> ogra: Sep 24 21:02:25 ogra dholbach, der pennt *grmpf* [06:00] siretart: hm? he's alive where? :) [06:00] i'm very annoyed that there still is a unofficial backports repo, even it was a requitement from us that they shut it down to get their official repo bandwth and buildd access === spayne wonders if he should be using LVM when installing Breezy [06:00] ogra: isn't the extras going stay unoffical? [06:01] spayne, do that only if you use a /boot partition [06:01] spayne: extras is gone! [06:01] well, i just choose the LVM option [06:01] spayne, where is the point for hoary-extras if they cant ship the illegal stuff anymore ... [06:01] siretart: has it? [06:01] spayne: it has some reasons why these 'extras' cannot be included in ubuntu, [06:02] spayne: do you see them somewhere around? === marcin_ant [n=marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:02] spayne, they apparently were asked by some lawyer to shut it down [06:02] sirestart: so how do i install RealPlayer then? from .bin? [06:02] hi all [06:02] they had realplayer? intersting === Yagisan [n=jamie@220-245-72-55-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:03] spayne: I would try the packages from http://debian-unofficial.org rather than jdongs archive. serious [06:03] so it might have been real's lawyer then :) [06:03] could someone tell me - or give url to some 'dumb' tutorial how to create patches for dpatch ? [06:03] the main reason i used it was for RealPlayer. w32codecs, libdvdcss2 and Sun Java [06:03] but Java is in Multiverse :). How did you get away with that? [06:03] spayne: sun java is in breezy/multiverse [06:03] siretart, i doubt they are complied with gcc4 [06:03] ogra: realplayer does not need to be compiled with gcc4 [06:04] siretart, nope, its blckdown and its only 1.4 for 1.5 there is no blackdown package [06:04] ogra: he did not say java5, just java ;) [06:04] siretart, it needs to work with our libc, doesnt it ? [06:04] is it better to use http://debian-unofficial.org or marillat? [06:04] spayne, neither [06:04] ogra: we carry libstdc++5 around with us, don't we? [06:04] how do i install RealPlayer then? [06:05] siretart, oh, its linked againsa that one ? then i'll shut up now [06:05] if in doubt and available, I'd rather look if they are in ubuntu, if not then debian-unofficial, and as least choice marillat. [06:05] ogra: I'm not sure, but there aren't much more possibilities [06:05] well, RealPlayer is in debian-unoffical [06:06] well, then try that ;) [06:06] but it is great than Adobe Reader and Java have made it into multiverse === j^ [n=j@gw.bootlab.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:06] spayne: feedback to the debian-unofficial mailling list is highly appreciated, I read that list === spayne will install RealPlayer and feed back [06:06] thanks [06:10] it installed [06:10] but no menu icon [06:11] <\sh> ogra: but I will complain now towards john...read my mail ;) [06:11] \sh: already done [06:12] about the missing support i guess :) [06:12] I just sent a mail, I hope it is not too harsh [06:12] ah, jdong is alive on the -devel list :) [06:12] on -devel? [06:12] you mean on -backports === ogra mailed backports === siretart too [06:13] ajmitch: I thought you were supposed to go to bed? ;-) [06:13] spayne, you propably need to restart your panel to have this menu entry [06:13] bddebian, he already is in bed [06:13] bddebian: I said before, I am :) [06:13] Oh hehe [06:13] marcin_ant, he shouldnt need to [06:13] gamin cares for it [06:14] (except realplayer installs its .desktop file in some weird place) [06:14] <\sh> siretart: you mail is ok...mine is at least a bit harsh [06:15] okay [06:15] <\sh> siretart: but I mean it...they have the infrastructure now,and they didn't shut it down...this is crap [06:16] spayne: does it work at all? [06:16] \sh: he mentioned that he needs his old repo for some left packages. I offered him help for the remaining ones [06:16] so lets see what happens [06:16] brb [06:16] ok guys... please tell me how to create *.dpatch files for debian/patches? [06:17] marcin_ant: dpatch-edit-patch is one way [06:17] <\sh> siretart: he had the time to backport them from breezy...and we are here as well to help...if he doesn't want to communicate, he should open up his own support base, and get the blame for those issues he made [06:17] marcin_ant, http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=7 [06:17] it works [06:18] and yes, i have restarted the menu [06:18] <\sh> now I'm feeling better ;) === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:22] siretart: there is a .desktop file in /usr/lib/realplayer10 [06:22] but it isn't installed [06:22] and doing no good in there :) [06:22] bddebian, thanks [06:22] ogra, thanks too [06:23] marcin_ant: NP [06:23] marcin_ant, thanks tseng for writing it :) [06:23] s/thanks/thank [06:25] hmm just one thing.... [06:25] I need to patch configure file [06:26] question is - should I patch configure.in or configure? [06:26] brb [06:26] (if configure than I propably should run autogen - right?) === tvelocity [n=tony@ipa112.2.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=jamie@220-245-72-55-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Natja_ [n=Natja@9-74.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-79-138.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === alisher [n=alex@vp223190.hkn.uac75.hknet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:07] has anyone managed to get Skype installed on Breezy? [07:08] <\sh> spayne: yes, before the cxx trans [07:08] <\sh> spayne: and no after [07:08] <\sh> spayne: this is packaging bug of skype [07:08] i have a dep. problem with libqt3c102-mt [07:09] <\sh> yes [07:09] <\sh> this is the old qt lib from before the cxx trans [07:09] <\sh> the new one is called libqt3-mt [07:09] the package depends upon libqt3c102-mt [07:12] \sh: if i grab the tarball, where is a good place to put it? /opt? [07:13] <\sh> yepp [07:14] can it be packaged independtly do you know? [07:14] no distribution allowed, iirc [07:14] <\sh> well..you can distribute it after getting the permission [07:14] \sh: which is hardly ideal :) [07:15] well, could it go into Multiverse? [07:15] <\sh> spayne: no [07:15] <\sh> spayne: same reason [07:15] you can't get permission? [07:16] <\sh> spayne: for what? skype? hey, use kphone ;) === spayne is an avid GNOME fan and everyone he knows uses Skype [07:20] \sh: well i never [07:20]