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| kerinin | i'm interested in setting up a classroom full of computers in an underprivileged international school (to be used for ESL) - can anyone point me to some resources? my current approach is to put edubuntu on a server and connect 20+ monitors/keyboards as X hosts to the central host. my goal is to get as many terminals installed as cheaply as possible. | 12:37 |
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| kerinin | ideas? | 12:37 |
| magnon | well, edubuntu is surely a good start :-) | 12:53 |
| magnon | clients can probably be found from businesses who want to get rid of old machines, they save money by giving them away to you | 12:55 |
| magnon | the server seems to be harder to find "for free", so that's often an investment | 12:56 |
| magnon | http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1535 | 01:21 |
| magnon | wrong channel :p | 01:21 |
| shaga | :) | 01:22 |
| magnon | politics don't belong here | 01:22 |
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| kerinin | thanks guys! | 01:25 |
| magnon | kerinin: just drop by any time if you need help | 01:26 |
| magnon | european daytime is best though I guess :P | 01:26 |
| kerinin | right now i'm trying to find used thin clients, apparently a company called wyse used to make them, and you can get them for about 10USD | 01:26 |
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| mpm2 | hello all; I've been following the edubuntu project and am interested in making it happen in my classroom; I'm a 2nd grade teacher and currently have about 15 machines in my class, most of which are running Ubuntu (Hoary). Are most of you developers or teachers or ?? should I join the mailing list or is it very technical? The Edubuntu Testing page says after install to "try netboot" on one of your clients... How do I set up cl | 05:10 |
| mpm2 | kind of a windy hello! I thought I might just say hello, but better to get to the heart of my questions :-) | 05:10 |
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| xuniluser | so silenet here... | 07:09 |
| xuniluser | silent | 07:09 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 07:13 |
| xuniluser | hello | 07:16 |
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| jsgotangco | xuniluser, its not so silent after all then :) | 07:40 |
| shaga | nope | 07:47 |
| xuniluser | jsgotangco: ok... but passive... anyways, when will be the official release of ubuntu | 07:47 |
| jsgotangco | oct. 13 | 07:52 |
| xuniluser | hmmmmm ok... 2 weeks to go. hehehehe.... we badly needed edubuntu and were praying that it will answer our needs in the laboratory | 07:53 |
| xuniluser | we are removing all windows in our university... | 07:54 |
| jsgotangco | have you tried the preview/daily build? | 08:22 |
| xuniluser | hmmm not yet... i do it | 08:23 |
| jsgotangco | by getting the preview/daily build, you'll have an idea how it works | 08:24 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: is it true that oct 13 is mdz's birthday? | 08:27 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage, no idea, sure is great if its his birthday that day | 08:28 |
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| JaneW | yes mdz's birthday is Oct 13 ;) | 09:02 |
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| Zaheer | hello, hello :) | 09:18 |
| Seveas | /msg chanserv access #ubuntu list | 09:18 |
| Seveas | hmm | 09:19 |
| Seveas | odd, the '/' is a command :) | 09:19 |
| Zaheer | can anyone tell what exactly is in language-pack-kde-en-base and how big it is... cause my install has been sitting there for last 20mins or so just installing that package.. | 09:22 |
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| poningru | Seveas: dude you put something infront of the / | 09:54 |
| poningru | / | 09:54 |
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| JaneW | ogra: ping | 10:49 |
| ogra | JaneW, pong | 10:49 |
| JaneW | ogra: did you see mdz's e-mail to me? I guess the LOTR patch is a moot point now... | 10:50 |
| ogra | JaneW, it always was :) flint just didnt get it :) | 10:50 |
| JaneW | ogra: I have several more e-mails from flint, but I think it's best to let him dig his own hole here... | 10:50 |
| ogra | JaneW, and sorry, but sabdfl set my new highes prio to xscreensaver again... | 10:51 |
| ogra | http://www.grawert.net/xss.html | 10:51 |
| ogra | ^^^ have to finish this first :/ | 10:51 |
| JaneW | ogra: ok so g-s-s is out then? | 10:51 |
| ogra | since more than a week, but xss needs heavy (time consuming) changes | 10:51 |
| JaneW | good | 10:52 |
| JaneW | more than a week? | 10:52 |
| ogra | (the two buttons on the right are a mess to implement) | 10:52 |
| JaneW | oh wait was x the new one sabdfl wanted? | 10:52 |
| JaneW | so sabdfl doesn;t want to revert then? | 10:52 |
| ogra | err, quite exactly after the TB meeting... not exactly a week | 10:52 |
| JaneW | ok I'm confussed | 10:53 |
| ogra | sabdfl just wants the lock dialog to look like that, he doesnt care which screensaver app we use | 10:53 |
| JaneW | Gnome was the new one, but we have reverted BACK to x right? | 10:53 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 10:53 |
| ogra | the problem is, gss doesnt work righ yet | 10:53 |
| shaga | I'm trying something here at work, on lame windows machine. could someone from us try to connect to this? ftp://shag.ath.cx | 10:53 |
| ogra | and xss is missing the lock dialog | 10:53 |
| JaneW | ok, I'm with you | 10:53 |
| shaga | s/us/u.s. | 10:54 |
| JaneW | ogra: how hard is it to get in? | 10:54 |
| ogra | i hope it takes me less then a week :( | 10:54 |
| ogra | its really hard to get something into code that is written to prevent *any* addition | 10:54 |
| ogra | the xss author sees it as a security feature that nothing can get added | 10:55 |
| JaneW | hmmm | 10:55 |
| ogra | stealing time... | 10:55 |
| JaneW | why are you responsible for the screensaver stuff? | 10:55 |
| ogra | because i cared for it since the end of warty, it was my entry point into ubuntu | 10:56 |
| ogra | nobody knows the code as good as i do... sabdfl knows that | 10:56 |
| ogra | i guess others would take twice as long to get into it | 10:57 |
| ogra | its very hard to understand and written in a very odd way... additionally missing a lot of code comments | 10:58 |
| JaneW | ok | 10:59 |
| JaneW | have you spoken to sabdfl at all recently? | 10:59 |
| JaneW | I need to get an answer on the edubuntu CD issue | 10:59 |
| ogra | saturday | 10:59 |
| ogra | but only about xss tuff | 10:59 |
| JaneW | i.e. are we or aren;t we going to press some for the launch... | 10:59 |
| ogra | he should be back from holiday today | 10:59 |
| JaneW | I think he will be in the CT offices tomorrow, I will see if I can catch him | 11:00 |
| JaneW | he is apparently in CT | 11:00 |
| JaneW | I am at home today, so I am not sure if he is there... | 11:00 |
| ogra | ah, good | 11:00 |
| ogra | he'll be in #c if he is around i guess | 11:00 |
| jsgotangco | ogra, good luck i'll just bug you before the week ends | 11:01 |
| ogra | ok | 11:01 |
| JaneW | ogra: and edubuntu dev in general, did we get a good CD build for the w/e? | 11:02 |
| ogra | i havent tested it yet, but it looks ok... (have the iso here, will do a test install today) | 11:03 |
| JaneW | will we be ready for 13 Oct? | 11:03 |
| jsgotangco | i tried the once last saturday and it installed fine | 11:04 |
| ogra | yeah | 11:04 |
| ogra | JaneW, it gets a bit tight now, i didnt plan this much time for xss | 11:05 |
| ogra | but still doable... | 11:05 |
| ogra | we still have 12942, the progress reporting in the installer for ltsp installation is still missing and autogeneration if the dchp.conf file in ltsp isnt done yet (mdz knows) i had to spend my weekend with xss... | 11:06 |
| ogra | the dhcp stuff is trivial... but will need testing | 11:07 |
| ogra | worst case we could go withoit the progress reporting, it just looks odd... | 11:07 |
| JaneW | progess reporting? | 11:08 |
| ogra | 12942 is a thing i guess i have to poke jbailey more about | 11:08 |
| ogra | the installer builds the ltsp environment in the first stage before first reboot | 11:09 |
| ogra | it takes between 5 and 10 min | 11:09 |
| ogra | there is a progres bar, but that jumps to 50% after 2min and then to 100% at the very end... | 11:09 |
| ogra | so users dont really see progress | 11:09 |
| ogra | its cosmetic, but you could think that the install stopped... | 11:10 |
| JaneW | oic, yes could be confussing and frustrating | 11:10 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 11:10 |
| jsgotangco | unless they go to vt1 | 11:10 |
| ogra | worst case i'll rip out the progress completely and just write on the screen please wait 10min until ltsp is done | 11:10 |
| jsgotangco | or somewhere | 11:10 |
| JaneW | ogra: that's could work | 11:10 |
| jsgotangco | vt4 i mean | 11:11 |
| JaneW | that | 11:11 |
| JaneW | ogra: just do that if there's no time to do something more elegant | 11:11 |
| ogra | its not nice and its not what i want, but its a fallback | 11:11 |
| ogra | yup | 11:11 |
| JaneW | ogra: at least ppl know what to expect then, and what's going on | 11:11 |
| jsgotangco | we can add it as a known issue | 11:11 |
| ogra | oh and i need to fix some gcompris bugs, but thats done in an afternoon... nothing really time consuming | 11:12 |
| JaneW | ok | 11:17 |
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| JaneW | bye | 11:24 |
| ogra | i dont go away :) | 11:24 |
| ogra | i'm just playing with screen locking so i'll see more of my locked screen than from xchat ;) | 11:25 |
| jsgotangco | the aim is to make it look like g-s-s? | 11:32 |
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| ogra | jsgotangco, yup | 11:45 |
| ogra | which requires the full username and two additional buttons beside the cosmetic changes | 11:45 |
| ogra | adding buttons isnt easy here.... (adding them is, but making them functional is a PITA) | 11:46 |
| jsgotangco | ickkk from what i've heard before x-s-s isn't really comment friendly | 11:46 |
| ogra | see my mockup from above | 11:46 |
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| Zaheer | hi can i ask a question about the gpl here? | 12:40 |
| JaneW | zaheer: ok | 12:42 |
| Zaheer | thanks :D | 12:43 |
| Zaheer | here goes | 12:43 |
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| Zaheer | Lets say for example i have written a piece of software that i | 12:44 |
| Zaheer | distribute on a cd for a small fee, can i put any software released under | 12:44 |
| Zaheer | gnu gpl on there aswell and still charge for my software. I am not | 12:44 |
| Zaheer | charging for the open source software but for my software only. | 12:44 |
| Zaheer | .. am i in any violation of the gpl at all??? | 12:44 |
| JaneW | er.... | 12:44 |
| JaneW | I am certainly no expert | 12:45 |
| JaneW | but as I understand it OSS doesn;t have to be free of charge... | 12:45 |
| Zaheer | i realize that... although i dont want i feel it takes away the goodeness from oss | 12:46 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 12:46 |
| Zaheer | so i am in violation, could you explain in which way please. | 12:46 |
| jsgotangco | no you're not | 12:46 |
| Zaheer | oh :D | 12:46 |
| jsgotangco | you just sell your software right | 12:46 |
| Zaheer | yes. | 12:47 |
| jsgotangco | it was writeen from scratch by you? | 12:47 |
| Zaheer | yes. | 12:47 |
| jsgotangco | becuase if you pulled some sources from gpl'ed source, you're bound to the gpl as well | 12:47 |
| Zaheer | yes i am aware of that. | 12:47 |
| jsgotangco | why not just ship your own software separately? | 12:48 |
| Zaheer | let me explain i have an apllication the writes out quotations to a text file and in order for the user to ship that text file in non editable format i thort i can distribute pdf-creator with my software to allow the user to print the quotes to a pdf. | 12:49 |
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| Zaheer | am still allowed to do that? | 01:00 |
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| Zaheer | is there a problem with the terminal services client in edubuntu?? everytime i connect to a TS and close the connection an error message pops up. | 01:58 |
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| Zaheer | the error message : "NOT IMPLEMENTED : System pointer message 0x7f00" | 02:00 |
| ogra | where do you get this message ? | 02:02 |
| Zaheer | after i closed the TS Session using the "x" | 02:12 |
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| ogra | using the x ?? | 02:13 |
| raoulduke | hi all. | 02:14 |
| ogra | Zaheer, you talk abut a ltsp client ?? | 02:14 |
| ogra | hi raoulduke | 02:15 |
| raoulduke | so, anyone here using the preview release in an educational setting currently? | 02:17 |
| ogra | raoulduke, jelkner uses it in a school already... | 02:17 |
| raoulduke | jelkner isn't in the # right now, and I didn't want to be presumptuous and email him | 02:18 |
| ogra | the rest of users are rather testing in a lab environment | 02:18 |
| raoulduke | but if he were here, I'd want to talk to him. | 02:18 |
| ogra | he is in a US timezone and not around very often (since he's teacher and has work to do) | 02:18 |
| raoulduke | I'm about to be cursed with numerous machines of various manufacture and mhz and was told to put XP on them. I can't maintain a single install image for that, so I'm going edubuntu (already running ubuntu as a client around the school---) | 02:19 |
| raoulduke | I'm a US east coast teacher too. | 02:19 |
| raoulduke | perhaps I'll just email him then, and let him answer on his own time. | 02:19 |
| ogra | ah, great | 02:19 |
| raoulduke | I'm actually teaching one class using his ThinkCSpy book | 02:19 |
| raoulduke | (how to think like a computer scientist, python edition, co-authored by jeff elkner) | 02:19 |
| ogra | i dont think you will disturb him if you mail him | 02:19 |
| raoulduke | thanks ogra | 02:20 |
| raoulduke | I'll be back later. other nicks I use are vmarks and vincenzio- see those? it's still me. | 02:20 |
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| ogra | if you got specific technical questions, feel free to poke me :) | 02:20 |
| ogra | hmm, to late | 02:20 |
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| Zaheer | Yagisan - thanks for your help on friday.. well to all those who made a contribution :) | 02:38 |
| Zaheer | although im still having difficulity installing the vmtools any ideas to get me going? | 02:38 |
| Yagisan | Zaheer: No worries | 03:08 |
| Yagisan | I haven't got on on to vmtools yet - I just had two machines die :( | 03:08 |
| Yagisan | what specific feature of vmtools do you need ? | 03:10 |
| Zaheer | well i cant install it .. i mount the cd but i cant run any scripts to start installing vmware normally there that install.pl script but its not there. | 03:12 |
| Zaheer | just another question about the gpl :D if i may? i promise this will be the last. | 03:46 |
| Zaheer | or even better is the a chat room i can go to for information about the gpl? | 03:46 |
| magnon | just ask away | 03:49 |
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| magnon | I know a fair bit, I'll answer as good as I can | 03:50 |
| Zaheer | cool :) does the gpl infect other lics in a distribution? for example if i have a software packges that has lic1 and another with the gpl | 03:52 |
| Zaheer | is it then required of me to release the software in lic1 under the gpl as well? | 03:52 |
| Zaheer | they both on the same cd? | 03:53 |
| mpt | Zaheer: no. | 03:54 |
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| mpt | For example, Ubuntu contains some software under the GPL and some under other licenses. | 03:55 |
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| ogra | Zaheer, if you take software thats under gpl and improve it, you are forced to release this work under gpl... but thats all | 03:56 |
| ogra | (if you consider releasing it) | 03:56 |
| mpt | Zaheer: see the last paragraph of section 2. | 03:56 |
| Zaheer | ok 2secs :) ..going to read. | 04:00 |
| Zaheer | In addition, mere aggregation of another work not based on the Program | 04:01 |
| Zaheer | with the Program (or with a work based on the Program) on a volume of | 04:01 |
| Zaheer | a storage or distribution medium does not bring the other work under | 04:01 |
| Zaheer | the scope of this License. | 04:01 |
| Zaheer | aaahhh :D | 04:01 |
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| jkrogh | ogra: It there anything special about the kernel in the chroot-environment? Or is it the seme kernel that's used everywehre else? | 04:01 |
| ogra | its absolutely the same... | 04:02 |
| Zaheer | thanks guys and/or girls. | 04:02 |
| ogra | see the ltsp-update-kernels script ;) | 04:02 |
| ogra | (its run by ltsp-build-client) | 04:02 |
| Zaheer | what makes edubuntu different from ubuntu? | 04:04 |
| ogra | in fact you got three identical kernels on your system after install (at least in edubuntu) | 04:04 |
| ogra | one in /boot, one in your tftpboot and one in /opt/ltsp | 04:04 |
| shaga | Zaheer: ltsp-system, artwork, educational tools imho :p | 04:05 |
| shaga | but I'm sure I don't know it all | 04:05 |
| shaga | installation as well | 04:05 |
| ogra | Zaheer, ltsp by default, edu apps, schooltool preinstalled, (moodle will follow up before release), artwork and a bunch of different defualt settings | 04:05 |
| shaga | a bit | 04:05 |
| shaga | ogra: I didn't forget much from my experience then ;) | 04:06 |
| ogra | nope := | 04:06 |
| ogra | ) | 04:06 |
| ogra | in fact you'll get the same with a default breezy install to hich you add edubuntu-server and edubuntu-desktop | 04:07 |
| Zaheer | about the artwork ... ITS REALLY COOL!!! i like the whole kiddie look although the firefox icon looks alot like the gimp :D | 04:08 |
| ogra | s/hitch/whitch | 04:08 |
| ogra | Zaheer, thanks :) | 04:08 |
| JaneW | ogra: I must switch to edubuntu soon... | 04:11 |
| ogra | JaneW, do you have breezy already ? | 04:12 |
| JaneW | ogra: I haven't been brave enough yet *blush* | 04:12 |
| JaneW | ogra: no I mostly use hoary | 04:12 |
| JaneW | I have an OLD (late June) ver of Breezy, but it has no sound | 04:12 |
| JaneW | other than that it is just like hoary | 04:12 |
| ogra | JaneW, just update to breezy and put edubuntu-desktop on top... then you got the workstation version :) | 04:12 |
| JaneW | :) | 04:13 |
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| JaneW | ogra: not really ;) | 04:13 |
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| highvoltage | hi ogra | 05:20 |
| ogra | hi highvoltage | 05:20 |
| highvoltage | do you know if anyone has had problems using the lts.conf file? | 05:21 |
| highvoltage | i edited it at a school today, while playing with edubuntu from my laptop, and when i used a fairly standard lts.conf file, the clients' keyboards stops working just after ldm starts. | 05:22 |
| highvoltage | (sorry if that doesn't make sense- long day) | 05:22 |
| shaga | I haven't had a chance to use ltsp | 05:22 |
| shaga | actually I don't even know anything about it | 05:23 |
| highvoltage | even with a very small lts.conf file, the keyboards freeze when ldm starts, and it doesn't seem that the resolutions/settings chage. | 05:23 |
| shaga | only how to conf installtion of edubuntu | 05:23 |
| ogra | highvoltage, there was a mail in edubuntu-devel iirc it was fom rickfitz | 05:23 |
| shaga | for it | 05:23 |
| ogra | highvoltage, sorry, i havent got time this week to debug much, mark set xscreensaver to my highest proirity... that takes a lot of time | 05:25 |
| highvoltage | ogra: no problemo. | 05:28 |
| highvoltage | i wish i could generate more time. i've never overcommitted myself as far as i've done right now. it's very scary. | 05:29 |
| ogra | same here... xscreensaver hacking wasnt on my schedule at all | 05:32 |
| spacey | poor ogra, crappy screensaver stuff ;( | 05:37 |
| ogra | nah, its fun i love to do it... its just that i havent got the time for such stuff at all | 05:38 |
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| mpt | ogra: Did you nuke the "Someone else" button? | 06:01 |
| ogra | mpt, http://www.grawert.net/xss.html | 06:02 |
| ogra | but jdub pokes that i use "switch user" | 06:02 |
| ogra | and it will take me ages to implement the other two buttons... its totally not in my time schedule, but sabdfl wont accept it without | 06:03 |
| mpt | ogra: wow, that's awesome | 06:03 |
| mpt | oh, it's a mockup? :-) | 06:03 |
| magnon | ogra: I agree with "Switch User" | 06:03 |
| ogra | so after it took me this afternoon to shuffle around the existing elements, it will take me a week o implement the new buttons :/ | 06:04 |
| ogra | mpt, yup | 06:04 |
| ogra | but all existing pieces are in place now, i'm just starting to add new elements | 06:04 |
| mpt | btw, "Account" should end with "...", and "Ok" should be "OK" (or "Unlock") | 06:04 |
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| ogra | mpt, i think i want a clear wording first what to use for the button... | 06:05 |
| ogra | (account or user) | 06:05 |
| magnon | ogra: User is, imo, more correct | 06:05 |
| ogra | else i'll just call it switch... :p | 06:05 |
| magnon | "Account" isn't concrete | 06:05 |
| magnon | account is your bank account, computer account, mail account, etc. | 06:05 |
| mpt | magnon: It's less correct, because a single user can have multiple accounts | 06:06 |
| magnon | "User" is the person who sits at the keyboard | 06:06 |
| magnon | exactly | 06:06 |
| ogra | magnon, thats something i leave for my boss to decide... | 06:06 |
| ogra | or for a discussion between jdub and mpt :) | 06:06 |
| magnon | ogra: FYI, a translation to Norwegian with "User" would be totally correct | 06:06 |
| magnon | whereas "Account" would be very abstract | 06:07 |
| ogra | its not translateable anyway | 06:07 |
| magnon | oh :P | 06:08 |
| ogra | the code prevents loading of anything not contained in the code... | 06:08 |
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