=== kerinin [n=kerinin@cpe-24-28-66-169.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu [12:37] i'm interested in setting up a classroom full of computers in an underprivileged international school (to be used for ESL) - can anyone point me to some resources? my current approach is to put edubuntu on a server and connect 20+ monitors/keyboards as X hosts to the central host. my goal is to get as many terminals installed as cheaply as possible. [12:37] ideas? [12:53] well, edubuntu is surely a good start :-) [12:55] clients can probably be found from businesses who want to get rid of old machines, they save money by giving them away to you [12:56] the server seems to be harder to find "for free", so that's often an investment [01:21] http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1535 [01:21] wrong channel :p [01:22] :) [01:22] politics don't belong here === magnon apologises [01:25] thanks guys! [01:26] kerinin: just drop by any time if you need help [01:26] european daytime is best though I guess :P [01:26] right now i'm trying to find used thin clients, apparently a company called wyse used to make them, and you can get them for about 10USD === pitux [n=pitux@161-209-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === pitux [n=pitux@161-209-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === mpm2 [n=helio7@pool-71-102-145-6.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:10] hello all; I've been following the edubuntu project and am interested in making it happen in my classroom; I'm a 2nd grade teacher and currently have about 15 machines in my class, most of which are running Ubuntu (Hoary). Are most of you developers or teachers or ?? should I join the mailing list or is it very technical? The Edubuntu Testing page says after install to "try netboot" on one of your clients... How do I set up cl [05:10] kind of a windy hello! I thought I might just say hello, but better to get to the heart of my questions :-) === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu === mpm2 [n=helio7@pool-71-102-145-6.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #edubuntu [] === xuniluser [n=grifter@sili.adnu.edu.ph] has joined #edubuntu === nybble [n=nybble@d36-24-214.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #edubuntu === nybble [n=nybble@d36-24-214.home1.cgocable.net] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [07:09] so silenet here... [07:09] silent [07:13] hi [07:16] hello === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [07:40] xuniluser, its not so silent after all then :) [07:47] nope [07:47] jsgotangco: ok... but passive... anyways, when will be the official release of ubuntu [07:52] oct. 13 [07:53] hmmmmm ok... 2 weeks to go. hehehehe.... we badly needed edubuntu and were praying that it will answer our needs in the laboratory [07:54] we are removing all windows in our university... [08:22] have you tried the preview/daily build? [08:23] hmmm not yet... i do it [08:24] by getting the preview/daily build, you'll have an idea how it works [08:27] jsgotangco: is it true that oct 13 is mdz's birthday? [08:28] highvoltage, no idea, sure is great if its his birthday that day === guim [n=glederer@193.190.183.237] has joined #edubuntu === jane_ [n=JaneW@wbs-146-142-218.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [09:02] yes mdz's birthday is Oct 13 ;) === Zaheer [n=zahedoll@wbs-146-145-185.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [09:18] hello, hello :) [09:18] /msg chanserv access #ubuntu list [09:19] hmm [09:19] odd, the '/' is a command :) [09:22] can anyone tell what exactly is in language-pack-kde-en-base and how big it is... cause my install has been sitting there for last 20mins or so just installing that package.. === Zaheer [n=zahedoll@wbs-146-145-185.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #edubuntu [] === Zaheer [n=zahedoll@wbs-146-145-185.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === xuniluser [n=grifter@sili.adnu.edu.ph] has joined #edubuntu [09:54] Seveas: dude you put something infront of the / [09:54] / === yvesC [n=yves@81.56.207.189] has joined #edubuntu === Zaheer [n=zahedoll@wbs-146-145-185.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #edubuntu [] [10:49] ogra: ping [10:49] JaneW, pong [10:50] ogra: did you see mdz's e-mail to me? I guess the LOTR patch is a moot point now... [10:50] JaneW, it always was :) flint just didnt get it :) [10:50] ogra: I have several more e-mails from flint, but I think it's best to let him dig his own hole here... [10:51] JaneW, and sorry, but sabdfl set my new highes prio to xscreensaver again... [10:51] http://www.grawert.net/xss.html [10:51] ^^^ have to finish this first :/ [10:51] ogra: ok so g-s-s is out then? [10:51] since more than a week, but xss needs heavy (time consuming) changes [10:52] good [10:52] more than a week? [10:52] (the two buttons on the right are a mess to implement) [10:52] oh wait was x the new one sabdfl wanted? [10:52] so sabdfl doesn;t want to revert then? [10:52] err, quite exactly after the TB meeting... not exactly a week [10:53] ok I'm confussed [10:53] sabdfl just wants the lock dialog to look like that, he doesnt care which screensaver app we use [10:53] Gnome was the new one, but we have reverted BACK to x right? [10:53] yeah [10:53] the problem is, gss doesnt work righ yet [10:53] I'm trying something here at work, on lame windows machine. could someone from us try to connect to this? ftp://shag.ath.cx [10:53] and xss is missing the lock dialog [10:53] ok, I'm with you [10:54] s/us/u.s. [10:54] ogra: how hard is it to get in? [10:54] i hope it takes me less then a week :( [10:54] its really hard to get something into code that is written to prevent *any* addition [10:55] the xss author sees it as a security feature that nothing can get added [10:55] hmmm [10:55] stealing time... [10:55] why are you responsible for the screensaver stuff? [10:56] because i cared for it since the end of warty, it was my entry point into ubuntu [10:56] nobody knows the code as good as i do... sabdfl knows that [10:57] i guess others would take twice as long to get into it [10:58] its very hard to understand and written in a very odd way... additionally missing a lot of code comments [10:59] ok [10:59] have you spoken to sabdfl at all recently? [10:59] I need to get an answer on the edubuntu CD issue [10:59] saturday [10:59] but only about xss tuff [10:59] i.e. are we or aren;t we going to press some for the launch... [10:59] he should be back from holiday today [11:00] I think he will be in the CT offices tomorrow, I will see if I can catch him [11:00] he is apparently in CT [11:00] I am at home today, so I am not sure if he is there... [11:00] ah, good [11:00] he'll be in #c if he is around i guess [11:01] ogra, good luck i'll just bug you before the week ends [11:01] ok [11:02] ogra: and edubuntu dev in general, did we get a good CD build for the w/e? [11:03] i havent tested it yet, but it looks ok... (have the iso here, will do a test install today) [11:03] will we be ready for 13 Oct? [11:04] i tried the once last saturday and it installed fine [11:04] yeah [11:05] JaneW, it gets a bit tight now, i didnt plan this much time for xss [11:05] but still doable... [11:06] we still have 12942, the progress reporting in the installer for ltsp installation is still missing and autogeneration if the dchp.conf file in ltsp isnt done yet (mdz knows) i had to spend my weekend with xss... [11:07] the dhcp stuff is trivial... but will need testing [11:07] worst case we could go withoit the progress reporting, it just looks odd... [11:08] progess reporting? [11:08] 12942 is a thing i guess i have to poke jbailey more about [11:09] the installer builds the ltsp environment in the first stage before first reboot [11:09] it takes between 5 and 10 min [11:09] there is a progres bar, but that jumps to 50% after 2min and then to 100% at the very end... [11:09] so users dont really see progress [11:10] its cosmetic, but you could think that the install stopped... [11:10] oic, yes could be confussing and frustrating [11:10] yeah [11:10] unless they go to vt1 [11:10] worst case i'll rip out the progress completely and just write on the screen please wait 10min until ltsp is done [11:10] or somewhere [11:10] ogra: that's could work [11:11] vt4 i mean [11:11] that [11:11] ogra: just do that if there's no time to do something more elegant [11:11] its not nice and its not what i want, but its a fallback [11:11] yup [11:11] ogra: at least ppl know what to expect then, and what's going on [11:11] we can add it as a known issue [11:12] oh and i need to fix some gcompris bugs, but thats done in an afternoon... nothing really time consuming [11:17] ok === ogra goes coding.... might be unresponsive today... [11:24] bye [11:24] i dont go away :) [11:25] i'm just playing with screen locking so i'll see more of my locked screen than from xchat ;) [11:32] the aim is to make it look like g-s-s? === pere_gone is now known as pere === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu [11:45] jsgotangco, yup [11:45] which requires the full username and two additional buttons beside the cosmetic changes [11:46] adding buttons isnt easy here.... (adding them is, but making them functional is a PITA) [11:46] ickkk from what i've heard before x-s-s isn't really comment friendly [11:46] see my mockup from above === Zaheer [n=zahedoll@wbs-146-145-185.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === Zaheer [n=zahedoll@wbs-146-145-185.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #edubuntu [] === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === Zaheer [n=zahedoll@wbs-146-145-185.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [12:40] hi can i ask a question about the gpl here? [12:42] zaheer: ok [12:43] thanks :D [12:43] here goes === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #edubuntu [12:44] Lets say for example i have written a piece of software that i [12:44] distribute on a cd for a small fee, can i put any software released under [12:44] gnu gpl on there aswell and still charge for my software. I am not [12:44] charging for the open source software but for my software only. [12:44] .. am i in any violation of the gpl at all??? [12:44] er.... [12:45] I am certainly no expert [12:45] but as I understand it OSS doesn;t have to be free of charge... [12:46] i realize that... although i dont want i feel it takes away the goodeness from oss [12:46] yes [12:46] so i am in violation, could you explain in which way please. [12:46] no you're not [12:46] oh :D [12:46] you just sell your software right [12:47] yes. [12:47] it was writeen from scratch by you? [12:47] yes. [12:47] becuase if you pulled some sources from gpl'ed source, you're bound to the gpl as well [12:47] yes i am aware of that. [12:48] why not just ship your own software separately? [12:49] let me explain i have an apllication the writes out quotations to a text file and in order for the user to ship that text file in non editable format i thort i can distribute pdf-creator with my software to allow the user to print the quotes to a pdf. === ogra [n=ogra@p5089DAE3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:00] am still allowed to do that? === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #edubuntu [01:58] is there a problem with the terminal services client in edubuntu?? everytime i connect to a TS and close the connection an error message pops up. === guim is now known as guim_ === guim_ is now known as guim [02:00] the error message : "NOT IMPLEMENTED : System pointer message 0x7f00" [02:02] where do you get this message ? [02:12] after i closed the TS Session using the "x" === raoulduke [n=vmarks@64.32.163.97] has joined #edubuntu [02:13] using the x ?? [02:14] hi all. [02:14] Zaheer, you talk abut a ltsp client ?? [02:15] hi raoulduke [02:17] so, anyone here using the preview release in an educational setting currently? [02:17] raoulduke, jelkner uses it in a school already... [02:18] jelkner isn't in the # right now, and I didn't want to be presumptuous and email him [02:18] the rest of users are rather testing in a lab environment [02:18] but if he were here, I'd want to talk to him. [02:18] he is in a US timezone and not around very often (since he's teacher and has work to do) [02:19] I'm about to be cursed with numerous machines of various manufacture and mhz and was told to put XP on them. I can't maintain a single install image for that, so I'm going edubuntu (already running ubuntu as a client around the school---) [02:19] I'm a US east coast teacher too. [02:19] perhaps I'll just email him then, and let him answer on his own time. [02:19] ah, great [02:19] I'm actually teaching one class using his ThinkCSpy book [02:19] (how to think like a computer scientist, python edition, co-authored by jeff elkner) [02:19] i dont think you will disturb him if you mail him [02:20] thanks ogra [02:20] I'll be back later. other nicks I use are vmarks and vincenzio- see those? it's still me. === raoulduke [n=vmarks@64.32.163.97] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [02:20] if you got specific technical questions, feel free to poke me :) [02:20] hmm, to late === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@220-245-18-231.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [02:38] Yagisan - thanks for your help on friday.. well to all those who made a contribution :) [02:38] although im still having difficulity installing the vmtools any ideas to get me going? [03:08] Zaheer: No worries [03:08] I haven't got on on to vmtools yet - I just had two machines die :( [03:10] what specific feature of vmtools do you need ? [03:12] well i cant install it .. i mount the cd but i cant run any scripts to start installing vmware normally there that install.pl script but its not there. [03:46] just another question about the gpl :D if i may? i promise this will be the last. [03:46] or even better is the a chat room i can go to for information about the gpl? [03:49] just ask away === Yagisan [n=jamie@220-245-18-231.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [03:50] I know a fair bit, I'll answer as good as I can [03:52] cool :) does the gpl infect other lics in a distribution? for example if i have a software packges that has lic1 and another with the gpl [03:52] is it then required of me to release the software in lic1 under the gpl as well? [03:53] they both on the same cd? [03:54] Zaheer: no. === jkrogh [n=jesper@Linuxnews.dk] has joined #edubuntu [03:55] For example, Ubuntu contains some software under the GPL and some under other licenses. === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #edubuntu [03:56] Zaheer, if you take software thats under gpl and improve it, you are forced to release this work under gpl... but thats all [03:56] (if you consider releasing it) [03:56] Zaheer: see the last paragraph of section 2. [04:00] ok 2secs :) ..going to read. [04:01] In addition, mere aggregation of another work not based on the Program [04:01] with the Program (or with a work based on the Program) on a volume of [04:01] a storage or distribution medium does not bring the other work under [04:01] the scope of this License. [04:01] aaahhh :D === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #edubuntu [04:01] ogra: It there anything special about the kernel in the chroot-environment? Or is it the seme kernel that's used everywehre else? [04:02] its absolutely the same... [04:02] thanks guys and/or girls. [04:02] see the ltsp-update-kernels script ;) [04:02] (its run by ltsp-build-client) [04:04] what makes edubuntu different from ubuntu? [04:04] in fact you got three identical kernels on your system after install (at least in edubuntu) [04:04] one in /boot, one in your tftpboot and one in /opt/ltsp [04:05] Zaheer: ltsp-system, artwork, educational tools imho :p [04:05] but I'm sure I don't know it all [04:05] installation as well [04:05] Zaheer, ltsp by default, edu apps, schooltool preinstalled, (moodle will follow up before release), artwork and a bunch of different defualt settings [04:05] a bit [04:06] ogra: I didn't forget much from my experience then ;) [04:06] nope := [04:06] ) [04:07] in fact you'll get the same with a default breezy install to hich you add edubuntu-server and edubuntu-desktop [04:08] about the artwork ... ITS REALLY COOL!!! i like the whole kiddie look although the firefox icon looks alot like the gimp :D [04:08] s/hitch/whitch [04:08] Zaheer, thanks :) [04:11] ogra: I must switch to edubuntu soon... [04:12] JaneW, do you have breezy already ? [04:12] ogra: I haven't been brave enough yet *blush* [04:12] ogra: no I mostly use hoary [04:12] I have an OLD (late June) ver of Breezy, but it has no sound [04:12] other than that it is just like hoary [04:12] JaneW, just update to breezy and put edubuntu-desktop on top... then you got the workstation version :) [04:13] :) === ogra guesses JaneW doesnt want to run a ltsp server on her laptop :) [04:13] ogra: not really ;) === Zaheer [n=zahedoll@wbs-146-145-185.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #edubuntu [] [05:20] hi ogra [05:20] hi highvoltage [05:21] do you know if anyone has had problems using the lts.conf file? [05:22] i edited it at a school today, while playing with edubuntu from my laptop, and when i used a fairly standard lts.conf file, the clients' keyboards stops working just after ldm starts. [05:22] (sorry if that doesn't make sense- long day) [05:22] I haven't had a chance to use ltsp [05:23] actually I don't even know anything about it [05:23] even with a very small lts.conf file, the keyboards freeze when ldm starts, and it doesn't seem that the resolutions/settings chage. [05:23] only how to conf installtion of edubuntu [05:23] highvoltage, there was a mail in edubuntu-devel iirc it was fom rickfitz [05:23] for it [05:25] highvoltage, sorry, i havent got time this week to debug much, mark set xscreensaver to my highest proirity... that takes a lot of time [05:28] ogra: no problemo. [05:29] i wish i could generate more time. i've never overcommitted myself as far as i've done right now. it's very scary. [05:32] same here... xscreensaver hacking wasnt on my schedule at all [05:37] poor ogra, crappy screensaver stuff ;( [05:38] nah, its fun i love to do it... its just that i havent got the time for such stuff at all === yvesC [n=yves@81.56.207.189] has joined #edubuntu [06:01] ogra: Did you nuke the "Someone else" button? [06:02] mpt, http://www.grawert.net/xss.html [06:02] but jdub pokes that i use "switch user" [06:03] and it will take me ages to implement the other two buttons... its totally not in my time schedule, but sabdfl wont accept it without [06:03] ogra: wow, that's awesome [06:03] oh, it's a mockup? :-) [06:03] ogra: I agree with "Switch User" [06:04] so after it took me this afternoon to shuffle around the existing elements, it will take me a week o implement the new buttons :/ [06:04] mpt, yup [06:04] but all existing pieces are in place now, i'm just starting to add new elements [06:04] btw, "Account" should end with "...", and "Ok" should be "OK" (or "Unlock") === mpt heads off to class [06:05] mpt, i think i want a clear wording first what to use for the button... [06:05] (account or user) [06:05] ogra: User is, imo, more correct [06:05] else i'll just call it switch... :p [06:05] "Account" isn't concrete [06:05] account is your bank account, computer account, mail account, etc. [06:06] magnon: It's less correct, because a single user can have multiple accounts [06:06] "User" is the person who sits at the keyboard [06:06] exactly [06:06] magnon, thats something i leave for my boss to decide... [06:06] or for a discussion between jdub and mpt :) [06:06] ogra: FYI, a translation to Norwegian with "User" would be totally correct [06:07] whereas "Account" would be very abstract [06:07] its not translateable anyway [06:08] oh :P [06:08] the code prevents loading of anything not contained in the code... === jkrogh [n=jesper@Linuxnews.dk] has left #edubuntu [] === pere is now known as pere_gone === shaga [n=sha@rikos.org] has left #edubuntu [] === bdoin [n=coudoin@bla31-1-82-228-70-121.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === linescann [n=linescan@62.121.26.69] has joined #edubuntu === macgyver2 [n=eric@unaffiliated/macgyver2] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@81.56.207.189] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #edubuntu [] === yvesC [n=yves@81.56.207.189] has joined #edubuntu