[09:32] <derek[] > :)
[09:33] <AndyFitz> g'day
[09:36] <derek[] > good day! :)
[09:36] <derek[] > I received Ubuntu CDs a day before..
[09:36] <derek[] > I'm very happy :)
[09:36] <derek[] > I ran the live CD and was very satisfied :)
[09:37] <AndyFitz> great
[09:38] <derek[] > Then I went to their site, to drop a thanking message
[09:38] <derek[] > but found that my account was washed out.. and now i needed to re-register at some launchpad site
[09:39] <derek[] > Anyway, I'd like to contribute to this great open-source community
[09:40] <kamstrup> you are most welcome derek[]  :-D
[09:40] <derek[] > :D
[09:41] <kamstrup> What kinda stuff do you like to do?
[09:43] <derek[] > i'm not really an expert in using the os tools yet, but i'm into graphic designing
[09:43] <derek[] > http://derek.vnvsoft.com/
[09:44] <derek[] > my main skills are in Flash animations
[09:44] <derek[] > which, sadly, i may have to leave when I migrate to linux
[09:51] <kamstrup> Yeah that is likely... :-(
[09:51] <kamstrup> But Inkscape is a GREAT tool for SVG editing :-D
[09:51] <derek[] > :D
[09:51] <derek[] > no doubt
[09:51] <derek[] > It really impressed me very much! I love Inkscape!
[09:52] <kamstrup> :-D
[09:52] <derek[] > and in many ways I found it better than Adobe Illustrator :)
[09:52] <kamstrup> The Inkscape developers will be glad to hear that!
[09:52] <kamstrup> What version of Inkscape have you been using?
[09:53] <derek[] > started recently
[09:53] <derek[] > 0.42
[09:54] <kamstrup> OK. I just saw that you recieved Ubuntu CDs in the mail and figured you where using Hoary... - which doesn't have 0.42
[09:55] <kamstrup> The on-canvas gradient editing in 0.42 is a great improvement over previous editions
[09:56] <derek[] > i'm in windoze right now
[09:56] <derek[] > haven't installed nix yet
[09:56] <derek[] > coz i have to wrap up some old work started in flash
[09:57] <derek[] > but i've started using inkscape and gimp, instead of illustrator and photoshop, already :)
[09:57] <kamstrup> also in Windows?
[09:58] <derek[] > also ?
[09:58] <derek[] > yea i'm using the windows versions
[09:59] <kamstrup> oh, just saw that you hadn't installed nix yet :-) Cool
[10:02] <derek[] > :)
[10:02] <derek[] > what about you?
[10:03] <AndyFitz> heya derek[]   your site won't work 
[10:03] <AndyFitz> without jscrip
[10:03] <derek[] > yea :/
[10:03] <derek[] > you don't have js enabled?
[10:03] <AndyFitz> I do now .
[10:03] <derek[] > okay
[10:04] <AndyFitz> google doesn't like your site mate.   w3 it up
[10:04] <AndyFitz> ;-)
[10:04] <kamstrup> derek[] : I run Ubuntu Breezy exclusively.
[10:05] <derek[] > kamstrup, kool. but it isn't a final release ..
[10:05] <derek[] > AndyFitz, :)
[10:06] <derek[] > AndyFitz, hope you have the flash plugin installed
[10:07] <AndyFitz> derek I do.  I teach tutor flash to design studios ( while evangelising inkscape for illustration of course )
[10:07] <derek[] > I see :)
[10:12] <derek[] > Who designed the Ubuntu logo?
[10:12] <AndyFitz> a studio in south africa
[10:13] <derek[] > I see
[10:13] <kamstrup> If I where to do a 3d-ish Ubuntu logo, would the three circles map to spheres or cylinders?
[10:14] <AndyFitz> I have a great respect for identity discovery and wouldnt attempt it at my current design weight 
[10:14] <derek[] > spheres
[10:14] <derek[] > AndyFitz, i didn't get you
[10:14] <kamstrup> ... hehe. I'd figure cylinders myself derek[]  
[10:14] <AndyFitz> kamstrup,  technically its a trademark and you can't do anything to it without permission
[10:15] <derek[] > kamstrup, those circles are the heads of the people I reckon :) ..so spheres ;)
[10:15] <kamstrup> AndyFitz: Yes. But what if I'm designing wallpapers I'd like to request for submission in Breezy?
[10:16] <AndyFitz> derek[]  there are people who put serious thought into design.  a brand design created a huge amount of maturity and insight
[10:16] <derek[] > and why would you not do it?
[10:16] <AndyFitz> kamstrup then design the wallpaper and use the ubuntu logo correctly.  ( enough whitespace.  no closeness to other logos  etc
[10:16] <derek[] > i mean, if you're required to design a brand identity
[10:17] <AndyFitz> derek[]  maybe one day I will be doing that.
[10:17] <derek[] > ok =)
[10:17] <AndyFitz> derek[]  if I was require I would refuse
[10:17] <derek[] > why?
[10:17] <kamstrup> AndyFitz: What I'd like to do is to make the Ubuntu logo enclose the earth
[10:18] <AndyFitz> its not my place. Id have the respect for the entity requesting my services to reccomend them to the right studio. not attempt it myself and give them second grade design
[10:18] <AndyFitz> kamstrup.  I'm sorry we really need to create a brand guide for ubuntu ( I believe canonical is doing this )  it will mention more about the logo and how to use it .
[10:19] <AndyFitz> right now we only have a few set in stone rules ..  like  don't rotate it so one of the circles is directly on top or below
[10:19] <derek[] > ohh
[10:19] <derek[] > :)
[10:19] <derek[] > I didn't notice the fixed positioning
[10:19] <derek[] > :)
[10:19] <derek[] > nice!
[10:20] <AndyFitz> it would send a bad message to have an entity on the top or bottom .   visually:  it places one member of the community at an un-equal balance of the others
[10:20] <kamstrup> I better lay off a 3d model then, since there's no official way of doing 3d-circle-of-friends...l 
[10:20] <AndyFitz> as if to say "  this guy has to carry the weight"  or  "this guy is above these other two guys "
[10:21] <derek[] > Guys, although I'm not an expert-level graphic-artist, (may be not even intermediate), I'd be very glad to help out the ubuntu-artwork in anyway I could. So please ask me if I could be of any use. :)
[10:21] <AndyFitz> derek[]  that would be awesome mate
[10:21] <derek[] > :] 
[10:21] <AndyFitz> derek[]  do you use a form of instant messenger ?
[10:21] <derek[] > AndyFitz, i get your point.
[10:21] <derek[] > Yeah
[10:21] <derek[] > all :D hehe
[10:21] <derek[] > i've been a windoze user ;)
[10:22] <AndyFitz> sweet .  PM me and I'll add you   brisgeek@jabber.org is my jabber
[10:22] <derek[] > aww :(.. not jabber
[10:22] <derek[] > I use MSN, ICQ, Yahoo
[10:22] <AndyFitz> okay pm me your ICQ ;-)
[10:22] <derek[] > ok
[10:23] <kamstrup> Check out my proposal here: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2005-September/000260.html
[10:24] <derek[] > AndyFitz, got it ;)
[10:24] <derek[] > kamstrup, ok. 
[10:27] <kamstrup> As far as our authority goes, we don't have much. As far as I know we are to _suggest _ various items for inclusion, and then Canonical/Ubuntu-devs deecide whether or not to use it.
[10:28] <derek[] > I see
[10:29] <kamstrup> It's a bit frustrating not knowing whether or not a piece of work is going to be used, but that's how it is for now. If we really do good that might change.
[10:29] <derek[] > Okay :)
[10:30] <derek[] >  - Artwork 2005-09-29
[10:30] <derek[] >  - Release 2005-10-13
[10:35] <derek[] > I'm away for meal
[11:17] <derek[] > The six calender wallpapers should have a 
[11:17] <derek[] > 	common red thread - maybe even a history.
[11:17] <derek[] > "red thread"?
[11:17] <kamstrup> I don't know if it's a proper english term...
[11:17] <kamstrup> Like a common idea
[11:18] <derek[] > I see
[11:18] <kamstrup> sharing a theme/feel/mood etc
[11:18] <derek[] > understood
[11:18] <kamstrup> :-D
[11:18] <derek[] > :] 
[11:27] <derek[] > http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/Ubuntu-UbuntuGlasses_1600x1200.jpg
[11:28] <derek[] > nice
[11:28] <derek[] > who did it?
[11:31] <derek[] > Is this totally CG?
[11:33] <kamstrup> Don't know...
[11:33] <derek[] > ok
[11:34] <kamstrup> If it's a photography there's prolly some copyrights problems attached to it... :-S
[11:35] <derek[] > :/
[11:37] <derek[] > Some nice CG work: http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=57355
[11:55] <kamstrup> Yeah, nice, but not exactly what you'd include in a commercial distro ;-P
[11:56] <derek[] > ?
[11:56] <derek[] > commercial distro?
[11:57] <kamstrup> Well... Commercial and commercial... Ubuntu is sort of commercial if you ask me. In a good way that is!
[11:58] <derek[] > o.o
[11:58] <derek[] > Its free!
[11:59] <derek[] > commercial is - that which is making money
[11:59] <derek[] > :)
[11:59] <derek[] > is it?
[12:07] <kamstrup> I guess that it's a long term goal to make money. I don't know _anything_ about this though...
[12:07] <kamstrup> It will always be free of charge
[12:09] <derek[] > yes
[12:09] <derek[] > and they said, even the enterprise edition will be free
[12:30] <derek[] > be back later
[12:35] <ogra> i dont think comercial aspects have any point here, but rather, the question: does a girl firing a weapon on someone, comply with the "humanity to others" slogan we tout... ;)
[12:49] <kamstrup> That was also (to some extent) I meant. "Is this the message you want to send as an enterprise?" (touting Humanity to others)...
[12:49] <kamstrup> ;-P
[01:38] <kamstrup> Gotta go. If you're subscribed to ubuntu-art check your mailboxes... Cheers!
[03:31] <AndyFitz> hahahahahaha  I just saw the images in question
[03:32] <kamstrup> ... sorry, what was he talking about?
[04:55] <mpathy> Hi there.. I came because of the appeal in the mailing list.. what need to be done? :)
[05:02] <mpathy> nobody here?