, all right. [05:49] <jdong> would that be a buffer overflow type of thing? ;) [05:49] <seb128> Diziet: I can forward it to bugzilla.gnome if you want [05:51] <Diziet> seb: Do you want me to try to debug it first ? We should perhaps check it's not already reported. [05:51] <Diziet> I consider this a security bug, although a minor one. It might also be a major one. [05:52] <ogra> hughsie, sorry missed ou... pitti is already gone ... dunno if he'll come back [05:53] <seb128> Diziet: do you have a backtrace? That would make easy to figure if it's known upstream [05:53] <j^> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=315070 [05:54] <seb128> thanks [05:54] <j^> so its cairo-based pango/gtk+ [05:54] <Diziet> That looks like our bug. [05:54] <Diziet> I'm not convinced that patch is right. [05:55] <Diziet> I don't know what the X limit is that's referred to, but won't it be in bytes and not characters ? [05:56] <Mithrandir> seb128: hmm, the bug is something else, but I'm not sure and my head is threatening to fall off, so I'll make dinner and look at it later. === blueyed [n=daniel@iD4CC1AC3.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:57] <seb128> Mithrandir: k, thanks for the work on that, enjoy your dinner === blueyed_ [n=daniel@iD4CC1AC3.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:57] <ogra> Mithrandir, and have some pillow around in case your head falls off :) [05:58] <jkrogh> Oh.. where do I file stuff about the "planet" (http://planet.ubuntulinux.org) ? [05:58] <jkrogh> http://krogh.cc/~jesper/ubuntu.png [05:58] <jkrogh> looks like .... in MSIE. === blueyed_ [n=daniel@iD4CC1AC3.versanet.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [05:59] <ogra> jkrogh, jdub maintains it... probably there is a product under "website" in bugzills [05:59] <ogra> s/s/a === blueyed_ [n=daniel@iD4CC1AC3.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blueyed [n=daniel@iD4CC1AC3.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [n=ironwolf@c-67-188-204-176.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-83-29.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:02] <Diziet> I assume that if someone has errors from the packaging system because of braindamage in ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net, I can just RESOLVE INVALID ? === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-83-29.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:03] <jdong> Diziet: yeah, go ahead -- and I personally apologize for all the trouble it's caused === seth_k [n=seth@asmallorange.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:07] <ogra> Diziet, please point him to the backports forum for the inofficial backports, we shouldnt just drop it.. [06:09] <jdong> yes, please try to point them to the forums or ubuntu-backports@lists.ubuntu.com -- we're currently working on fixing the problem [06:12] <Diziet> jdong/ogra: Willdo. [06:14] <Kamion> Could a French speaker review #16303 for me, please? Note that the actual msgid is "Erase entire disk and use LVM: ${DEVICE}" [06:15] <jdong> Diziet: I'm working on a 1.0.7 backport with various team members, so this should be all resolved by mid week [06:15] <Diziet> jdong: Right. FYI, the bug is 16228. === camilotelles [n=Camilo@20132139198.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:18] <seb128> Kamion: what po files are to update ? [06:18] <seb128> Kamion: one of the string has a small error and I want to update the other installed stuff too [06:19] <desrt> what email address does mjg59 use on bugzilla? [06:20] <mdke> mjg59 will catch him [06:20] <mdke> bugzilla autocompletes [06:20] <bob2> yay for 250KB of javascript! [06:20] <desrt> hey [06:20] <desrt> that's sweet! === j^ wonders why this was not done using ajax [06:21] <ogra> j^, because its in production and development power goes to malone... [06:22] <bob2> I'm pretty sure no one from canonical added that feature to bugzilla [06:22] <bob2> it certainly had it back in like may last year [06:22] <ogra> yup [06:22] <j^> ogra malone would also need some ajax love [06:22] <bob2> ajax is the most annoying buzzword of the year [06:22] <ogra> j^, tell that to #launchpad ;) [06:23] <bob2> this conversation has made it overtake "podcast" [06:23] <j^> but ubuntus bugzilla is the first with such a large list of products [06:24] <Kamion> seb128: the installer po files are all in http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/installer-po/, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/base-config-po/, http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/shadow-po/ [06:25] <seb128> Kamion: thanks, I'll send you updated PO for all of those later [06:25] <Kamion> seb128: cheers [06:26] <Kamion> seb128: I've pulled a few updates from Rosetta, but probably not everything [06:26] <seb128> k [06:26] <Kamion> if there are particular things already done in Rosetta that I should grab, let me know ... [06:26] <seb128> I'll have a look on what rosetta has yep [06:26] <Kamion> unfortunately the way the po-export stuff is now "POST to URL, wait for mail, go to URL in mail" makes it a lot less automatable than it used to me [06:27] <Kamion> used to be [06:27] <Kamion> I used to have a script which could extract translations from Rosetta to stdout [06:27] <Kamion> but I suspect it's only me who cares because everyone else can use language packs [06:28] <Kamion> seb128: oh, those base-config and shadow directories are very out of date, sorry - I'll update them now [06:29] <seb128> let me know when the new version is online, so I grab the correct one :) === ironwolf [n=ironwolf@c-67-188-204-176.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kent [n=kent@h55d210.delphi.afb.lu.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:33] <Kamion> seb128: done [06:33] <seb128> thanks === Elleo [n=Elleo@pjmvlp1mts4.pjmv.aber.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:35] <Diziet> Is there anything I need to watch out for if I decide to change the default fonts in Firefox ? [06:36] <ogra> webpages mostly define sans-serif or serif in their CSS i dont know if you should change it in firefox... [06:37] <ogra> rather the assignment serif -> Nimbus Sans should be changed to serif -> Bitstream Vera Sans [06:37] <Diziet> There are two things I want to change, I think: firstly, the default if the site doesn't specify is to use serif, and I want to change that to sans. [06:37] <ogra> err s/serif/sans-serif/ [06:37] <ogra> Diziet++ [06:37] <Diziet> Secondly, if the site just asks for sans-serif they get a pretty unpleasant font. [06:38] <ogra> for sans too... === ivoks [n=ivoks@lns01-1377.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:38] <ogra> Nimbus looks weird here.... [06:39] <Diziet> Right. Nimbus seems to be the default. I don't know yet where that's controlled. If no-one knows easily then I will find out for myself :-). [06:39] <Diziet> No, I'm wrong, the default is Bitstream Vera Sans. [06:39] <ogra> normally in local.conf of fontconfig, but last time i looked there was Bitstream selected already, there must be something inbetween... [06:39] <Diziet> FreeSans is much nicer. [06:40] <ogra> nope, not here... it looks like Nimbus... [06:40] <ogra> blurry character borders [06:40] <Diziet> Maybe I should post to ubuntu-devel and let the bikeshedders argue it out :-). [06:41] <Diziet> Yes, I think I will do that. [06:41] <j^> who would i talk to about changes on packages.ubuntu.com? [06:41] <ogra> anyway it hould be Bitstream [06:41] <Diziet> It looks here like it is. [06:41] <ogra> j^, see packages.ubuntu.com, there is a address [06:41] <ogra> ;) [06:42] <Diziet> Bitstream Vera Sans, which is rather spindly. [06:42] <ogra> Diziet, nope... something sets it to Nimbus [06:42] <ogra> switch explicitly to Bitstream, you'll see te difference [06:42] <Diziet> Hmm. This machine was upgraded from hoary. [06:42] <Diziet> Yes, I did and it's just the same. [06:42] <ogra> hmm, not on my new installs... === kobold [n=kobold@debian/developer/kobold] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [06:43] <ogra> and here on my upgraded system neither... [06:43] <Diziet> Perhaps it depends whether you tell it you have an LCD [06:43] <ogra> nope, i have both here... [06:44] <ogra> it looks crappy with the default on both unless i explicitly select a bitstream font... [06:44] <ogra> ... probably a bitstream conspiracy on my side here :) [06:45] <Diziet> Is the default font chosen via Firefox or via some other package ? [06:45] <Diziet> I mean, the default sans and the default serif. === thesaltydog [n=fabio@host229-150.pool8253.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:50] <ogra> Diziet, it uest to be set by local.conf from fontconfig, but that may have changed with cairo... i guess seb128 can give some insight === abarbaccia [n=abarbacc@69-162-20-65.stcgpa.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:50] <ogra> s/uest/used [06:51] <ogra> abarbaccia, sorry, seems jdong is gone already... [06:51] <abarbaccia> ogra no worries - i'll get him later [06:51] <seb128> that has no changed afaik [06:52] <ogra> seb128, hmm, why is the default font in firefox for sans not bitstream vera sans then ? [06:53] <ogra> at least here its either Free Sans or Nimbus ... it only gets readable if i explicitly select Vera Sans === sebest [n=chatzill@140.245.101-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@p54895A25.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:56] <seb128> ogra: no clue, I don't use firefox === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d5153F60A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:59] <dholbach> seb128: epiphany love? :) [06:59] <ogra> bah, use a *real* browser :) === dholbach shoves ogra ... somewhere else [06:59] <dholbach> :) [07:00] <ogra> dholbach, epiphany was the first thing i droppen in edubuntu when i needed space ;) [07:00] <ogra> dropped even [07:00] <dholbach> ignorant %$"$!& [07:00] <dholbach> :) [07:00] <seb128> dholbach: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EpiphanyDefaultBrowser [07:00] <dholbach> yeah, i read that :) [07:00] <seb128> I would pick it only for the translations [07:02] <ogra> dholbach, to be fair, the second thing dropped was thunderbird :) === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === m0rphx [n=morph@p85.212.150.229.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:14] <Diziet> What can I do to get a bug reporter a telling-off ? I referred them to `How to Report Bugs Effectively' and they seem to have replied with a rant without having read it. [07:14] <Diziet> (And, to be fair, marginally more info.) [07:16] <ogra> hmm, just set it to needinfo and tell him you cant do anything without more info...? [07:16] <Diziet> I want to be a bit more constructive. I'll try telling him off myself. [07:17] <ogra> but if he already rants, pure bureocracy is probably the best... === seb128_ [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-31-93.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nictuku [n=yves@unaffiliated/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:18] <Diziet> Well, if it's a real bug I'd actually like to nail it down. === thesaltydog [n=fabio@host229-150.pool8253.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:19] <ogra> thats hard without the reporter giving all info [07:20] <mjg59> Diziet: Which bug? [07:20] <dholbach> do we still need the euro-support package for any reason? [07:21] <ogra> not really === seb128_ [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-49-5.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:23] <Diziet> 16132 === vuntz [n=vuntz@fennas.vuntz.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:23] <Diziet> (I have to go very soon.) [07:25] <ogra> Diziet, ask him if he has libxp installed ... [07:26] <Diziet> I'll try that - tomorrow, I have to go now :-). [07:26] <Diziet> Thanks. [07:26] <ogra> :) [07:26] <Diziet> TTFN all [07:27] <\sh> ogra: do u have an ipod? [07:28] <ogra> heh, nope [07:28] <ogra> i have a HIFI without any pod ;) [07:29] <\sh> how should I solve this bug then ;) [07:29] <ogra> buy an ipod ? [07:29] <ogra> forward it to someone who has one ? [07:30] <\sh> ogra: the former: whuahaha ;) the latter: let's see [07:30] <thesaltydog> \sh, I have one, but I am not sure to risk the 15 MB of music I have on!! Maybe I should make a DVD backup... === mvo is away to play hockey [07:31] <\sh> thesaltydog: if you have the time...amarok-1.3.1 from breezy and try to confirm http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16375 [07:31] <thesaltydog> \sh ok.. I'll have a look at it. [07:31] <\sh> thesaltydog: thx :) [07:31] <thesaltydog> \sh np [07:33] <thesaltydog> \sh it claims to install a lot of kde shit [07:33] <\sh> thesaltydog: yes...it's a kde app... [07:33] <\sh> thesaltydog: sry for that ;) [07:33] <thesaltydog> \sh, :-) [07:34] <dholbach> jdub: ping [07:34] <dholbach> jdub: ready to unveil ubuntu-desktop@ ? [07:36] <ogra> thesaltydog, be careful if you help \sh with bugs he'll secretly install more and more KDE stuff on your deskop until he has taken it over wih KDE completely ;) [07:37] <\sh> ogra: pscht [07:37] <ogra> *g* === julien [i=julien@feng.planet-work.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:38] <thesaltydog> ogra, Thanks! I will take care.. [07:38] <ogra> heh [07:38] <\sh> ogra: frank installed even on his sony laptop ubuntu ;) [07:38] <\sh> ogra: and now I have to take over your job, to fix it up again ;) [07:38] <ogra> zimmermann ? [07:38] <\sh> ogra: sure [07:39] <ogra> ithought your boss :) [07:39] <\sh> ogra: no..he runs suse on his server at home [07:39] <ogra> bah [07:39] <ogra> convert him [07:39] <\sh> ogra: but saturn has again linksys wrt54g on special for 55 [07:39] <ogra> yay === \sh needs a new job to buy all this nifty toys... [07:40] <\sh> s/this/these/ === hunger [n=hunger@p54A63748.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dburrows [n=daniel@244.173.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi [n=nnnnnnnn@h174n7c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:07] <bddebian> infinity: ping? [08:18] <segfault> there's some untranslated strings in the post-install of ubuntu (that screen which starts after it has copied all packages, and reboot). does anyone know which package is that? [08:18] <segfault> tried casper, but is unlikely to be it [08:20] <ogra> casper is the live CD [08:20] <Mithrandir> segfault: base-config, mostly [08:21] <ogra> segfault, you mean after reboot ? [08:21] <segfault> yes [08:21] <ogra> thats base-config, yes [08:23] <segfault> ok, i'll look into that [08:28] <segfault> is there any plan to translate the boot messages? [08:29] <segfault> that ones which appear when using usplash === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:30] <zyga> segfault: hmm interesting === kyncani [n=kyncani@82.250.10.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:31] <zyga> segfault: I'll be glad to assist with that [08:31] <\sh> infinity / lamont: can one of you have a look on i486-linux-gnu-gcc -shared -Wl,--whole-archive data-types/.libs/libdata-types.a low-level/.libs/liblow-level.a driver/.libs/libdriver.a main/.libs/libmain.a engine/.libs/libengine.a -Wl,--no-whole-archive -llockfile -pthread /usr/lib/libdb-4.2.so /usr/lib/libgnutls.so -lgnutls-openssl /usr/lib/libsasl2.so -Wl,-soname -Wl,libetpan.so.3 -o .libs/libetpan.so.3.0.0 [08:31] <zyga> s/ll/d/ [08:31] <\sh> crap [08:31] <segfault> that should be easy to do [08:31] <\sh> I hate sometimes this copy&paste [08:31] <bddebian> :-) [08:32] <\sh> infinity / lamont: sorry, can you have a look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/libe/libetpan/0.38-2/libetpan_0.38-2_20050926-1616-i386-failed.gz [08:32] <\sh> it build ok in my local pbuilder... [08:33] <segfault> like... source /etc/usplash/$LANG.msg... and then, echo $VARs... etc. [08:34] <zyga> segfault: the messages are not from usplash itself [08:35] <segfault> from the init scripts? [08:35] <zyga> segfault: yes [08:36] <zyga> that's what I think at least [08:37] <segfault> ogra: i think it's not base-config either [08:37] <segfault> it's fully translated to pt_BR, and in colony 5 appeared as untranslated [08:38] <ogra> then its probably something base-config loads [08:38] <segfault> are you sure that the new progress bar (which was all text-mode in hoary) is configured there? [08:38] <zyga> mdz: is there any usplash4kubuntu or edubuntu? [08:39] <segfault> it has strings like "Unpacking PACKAGENAME", "Configuring PACKAGENAME", "Installed PACKAGENAME" [08:40] <mdz> zyga: yes [08:40] <ogra> zyga, http://www.grawert.net/edubuntu/edusplash.png [08:40] <ogra> as well as http://www.grawert.net/edubuntu/edu_isolinux.png [08:40] <mdz> segfault: it's still text mode, but it's a progress bar rather than scrolling inscrutable text [08:41] <ogra> i'm just waiting for jbailey to enable the usage of different pic in usplash [08:41] <segfault> mdz: yeah, i meant without that dialog stuf... do you know which package holds it? [08:41] <zyga> mdz: BTW: how many colours can the image use? less than 16? [08:41] <Riddell> zyga: KubuntuArtwork has the kubuntu one [08:41] <ogra> the isolinux one is already in [08:41] <mdz> segfault: those strings are in apt [08:42] <mdz> segfault: base-config runs the progress bar [08:42] <mdz> zyga: 16 in total, including the background, progress bar and status messages [08:42] <zyga> mdz: could the strings in /etc/init.d/rc be translated? I mean - UTF8 support and such [08:43] <mdz> zyga: the boot process isn't internationalized yet, but in theory it's possible [08:43] <mdz> it would be a significant amount of work to internationalize it [08:43] <zyga> mdz: well, it's trivial to i18n most common messages (unless they are really broken) [08:44] <zyga> will usplash handle utf8? [08:44] <Keybuk> mdz: aren't those strings in base-config from dpkg ? [08:44] <Keybuk> I thought it listened on the status-fd and translated it into messages [08:44] <ogra> Keybuk, the progressbar reads apt output [08:45] <ogra> and displays it... === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:45] <Keybuk> apt doesn't display Unpacking or Configuring though ... those seem to correspond to dpkg events === Amaranth [i=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:45] <ogra> yes, but driven by apt... [08:46] <Keybuk> really? [08:46] <ogra> it just reads from a pipe [08:46] <Keybuk> ah, so apt listens to the dpkg status-fd things and then produces those strings which base-config reads? [08:47] <ogra> base-config or rather the progressbar reads stdout from the apt command... iirc [08:47] <ogra> its some weeks ago that i dealt with it... [08:48] <mdz> Keybuk: yeah, I guess it uses strings from both apt and dpkg [08:49] <mdz> Keybuk: hmm, no [08:49] <mdz> Keybuk: I think they are all in apt [08:49] <zyga> mdz: does the system in general have a locale? [08:49] <mdz> zyga: the system-wide default is in /etc/environment [08:50] <zyga> mdz: thanks, I'll play with some trivial i18n for usplash :-) [08:50] <mdz> Keybuk: the table in dpkgpm.cc maps dpkg status stuff to human-readable strings [08:51] <Keybuk> ah, ok === ozamosi [n=nnnnnnnn@h174n7c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:54] <spayne> jbailey: ping [08:54] <spayne> jdub: ping [08:54] <ogra> does anyone else think the -devel list should be read only from the forums ? [08:54] <ogra> the noise raises daily [08:55] <jbailey> spayne: Are you looking for me in particular, or just anyone named Jeff? =) [08:55] <zyga> segfault: do you plan to i18nlize boot messages? [08:56] <dilinger> attention all Jeffs: there is black bmw in the parking lot with its lights on. the license plate says "JEFF". [08:56] <jbailey> I'll take it. [08:56] <jbailey> Anyone got a screwdriver for the ignition? [08:56] <spayne> yes, here you go [08:56] <dholbach> dilinger: don't let ddaa hear you about BMWs :) [08:56] <segfault> yeah, that would be nice [08:56] <dilinger> dholbach: is that a sore topic? [08:57] <dholbach> dilinger: he referred to a french saying that included BMWs and hemorrhoids [08:57] <segfault> from boot to user interface, everything translated. [08:58] <zyga> segfault: actually getting the default install translated would be nice [08:58] <zyga> segfault: grep for uslpash in /etc and /lib [08:58] <zyga> segfault: the real work needs to be done in /etc/init.d [08:58] <dilinger> heh [08:58] <zyga> and getting the i18n stuff somewhere [08:59] <jkrogh> If the installer framebuffer looks strange.. what should i put at the bootprompt? [08:59] <segfault> i see, and define some place to store the translated strings. [09:00] <jkrogh> Nevermind. [09:00] <jkrogh> Oh.. not the first framebuffer, but the only the one the installations starts in. [09:01] <zyga> segfault: yes, I've got a small utility that simplifies i18n of shell scripts [09:02] <zyga> segfault: could you locate the messages that get displayed after default install? [09:02] <segfault> humm, not right now [09:02] <segfault> i left my laptop home [09:05] <segfault> can you send me that script? and as soon as i get home i'll send you those strings [09:08] <jkrogh> Is it a bug when I need to specify vga=771 on the installer prompt to get a decent installer (readable) [09:08] <zyga> segfault: I don't have it packaged as a .deb yet - it's pure bash though [09:08] <zyga> if you want it badly I can just give you an export of the CVS archive [09:11] <Kamion> jkrogh: if it's a bug, it's in the kernel [09:11] <Kamion> jkrogh: I cannot do anything about that in the installer [09:12] <Kamion> zyga: what's wrong with /usr/bin/gettext? ;) [09:12] <Kamion> (or trivial shell functions on top of that) === Kamion -> karate [09:12] <segfault> zyga: yah, if you can please [09:13] <segfault> so i can play with it later [09:13] <zyga> segfault: one moment [09:15] <zyga> segfault: www.suxx.pl/tools/i18n [09:16] <jkrogh> Kamion: Ok.. I filed it on "UNKNOWN". 16387 === Florob [n=florian@xdsl-84-44-230-47.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:17] <jkrogh> How far should I go in the testing of the installer? Is a "Because of an unknown readon it is impossible to resize this partition" .. a bug that should be filed? [09:22] <zyga> readon? [09:22] <jkrogh> sorry "reason" [09:25] <mdz> jkrogh: check the log; it should contain the reason [09:26] <jkrogh> mdz: Where is the log? [09:26] <mdz> jkrogh: alt+f3 or so, and /var/log === slomo [n=slomo@customer14.arcomf.wlan.tdcmobil.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lllmanulll [n=lllmanul@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:34] <bddebian> Heya slomo [09:35] <slomo> hi bddebian :) [09:36] <ogra> OMG [09:36] <spayne> does this error mean anything to anyone [09:36] <spayne> usb 3-3: device not accepting address 3, error -71 === macgyver2 [n=eric@unaffiliated/macgyver2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:36] <spayne> when i try my WiFi adaptor in BReezy [09:36] <slomo> jbailey: ping? [09:37] <ogra> why the heck is there a backport of k3b in the unofficial backports ? [09:37] <jbailey> slomo: pong [09:37] <ogra> it obviously breaks kubuntu-desktop [09:37] <ogra> ^^^^ Riddell [09:37] <ogra> Riddell, you should talk to jdong [09:38] <slomo> jbailey: ony news on the ppc/xfs bug? [09:38] <jkrogh> Am I the only one that gets this strange behaviour from the bugzilla.. when I enter information on one bug and submits it, I end up at a totally different bug. [09:38] <jbailey> slomo: Not beyond a brief conversation that colin and I had. [09:38] <Riddell> ogra: how does it break kubuntu-desktop? [09:38] <slomo> jbailey: ok :( [09:38] <jbailey> slomo: The best gues sis that yaboot might load extra crap onto the end that isn't important with cramfs but is with an cpio.gz [09:38] <ogra> Riddell, k3b depends on all the c2 packages which arent in hoary [09:39] <jbailey> slomo: So a bug in the XFS reader in yaboot. [09:39] <ogra> Riddell, one requirement for giving them the bandwith, server and buildd access was that they shut down the unofficial repos... [09:40] <jkrogh> Hm. That seems to be a feature. [09:40] <slomo> jbailey: hmmm... wonderfull ;) maybe i'll just create a ext2 boot partition... [09:40] <ogra> pitti i and several others had a hard weekend because of the firefox crap they made already [09:40] <jbailey> slomo: That would be the simplest path, but it still needs to be fixed. [09:40] <jbailey> slomo: Up to you. [09:41] <Riddell> jbailey: what's the status of customisable usplash? [09:41] <slomo> jbailey: sure... the ext2 partition would be just to have it really working again... but i'll help you however i could ;) [09:42] <jbailey> Riddell: Testing. Just need to upload the artwork for you. sladen had said that the one he provided me didn't have the right colours on the right pallettes. I should poke him for an updated one. [09:43] <Riddell> jbailey: he's left my flat so I can't physically poke him any more, but the file is on KubuntuArtwork anyway [09:43] <jkrogh> mdz: How do I take a screenshot of the installer? [09:43] <tseng> jkrogh: run it in vmware [09:44] <mdz> jkrogh: if you're writing documentation, qemu [09:44] <jbailey> Riddell: Cool. I had given him some pallette numbers that he needed to use for foreground/background/"RED" [09:44] <mdz> jkrogh: if you're reporting a bug, a digital camera pointed at the screen [09:44] <jkrogh> mdz: It for the bug on the X30 you just commented. [09:44] <jkrogh> Oki.. [09:44] <mdz> jkrogh: a screenshot wouldn't help; we need a photo [09:46] <mdz> jkrogh: since you mentioned it, please use a descriptive summary when reporting bugs [09:46] <seb128> Kamion: where are the "please press one of these keys" (auto-keymap selection) and "Resize IDE" (partitions modifications) strings from the installer? [09:46] <mdz> jkrogh: "Installation using PXE" didn't say anything about the problem you experienced [09:46] <jkrogh> mdz: I'll do my best. === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel === concept10 [n=concept1@c-67-166-167-125.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jcohen85 [n=jason@dhcp-129-64-160-38.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-83-29.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] <jcohen85> jbailey, hey, did you get a chance to make a new initramfs-tools package [10:00] <Keybuk> hmm... odd explosion noises from outside [10:00] <Treenaks> Keybuk: Alien invasion? [10:01] <Keybuk> could be [10:01] <concept10> did the redhat networkmanager make it into breezy? [10:01] <Keybuk> sounds a bit distant to be my mail server's hard disk blowing up again [10:02] <Nafallo> Keybuk: your neighboors then? :-) [10:03] <Nafallo> concept10: no [10:03] <Nafallo> concept10: or rather... it's in universe :-P [10:03] <jbailey> jcohen85: This is for debug timing? [10:03] <concept10> Nafallo, thanks, what is the pkgname? [10:04] <Nafallo> concept10: network-manager ofcourse. [10:04] <jkrogh> Should I use a special installation method to be allowed to specify a local "mirror" for installing packages? [10:04] <concept10> Nafallo, okay..heh didnt see it...but thanks === pablof [n=ubuntu@200.128.80.250] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:05] <jcohen85> jbailey, well, i sent you sent me one that created a debug file with timing and it showed that my IDE drives were taking 5 [10:05] <jbailey> jcohen85: Right, which doesn't explain the 15 seconds you're reporting. =( [10:06] <jcohen85> you said you would need to do something more to find out what the problem is === concept10 [n=concept1@c-67-166-167-125.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [10:06] <jcohen85> what would you have to do? [10:06] <jbailey> jcohen85: Lace the whole initramfs-tools with "date" commands and output it to a file. [10:08] <jcohen85> jbailey, are you planning to do that? [10:08] <Keybuk> Nafallo: bit fireworks display in the city centre === Keybuk wonders what that's all about [10:09] <jbailey> jcohen85: Begrudgingly. =) === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] <jbailey> jcohen85: I had hoped that perhaps I would get some inspiration on how to do this in a non-sucky way. [10:12] <lool> mdz: ping? [10:16] <mdz> lool: yes? [10:18] <lool> mdz: (query) === camilotelles [n=Camilo@200.128.80.250] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:25] <jkrogh> There are several "installer" components.. which one should I file feature-requests for the mirror-selection part on? === koke [n=koke@adsl229-164.unizar.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chris38 [n=bayle@LSt-Amand-152-31-21-96.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:28] <fabbione> elmo: pong? [10:29] <elmo> fabbione: nm, sorry - got benc instead [10:29] <mjg59> elmo: Hello? [10:29] <elmo> mjg59: ? [10:29] <fabbione> elmo: perfect, did you get everything sorted? [10:29] <elmo> fabbione: yeah, thanks [10:29] <fabbione> no problem [10:30] <mjg59> elmo: You were looking for me earlier? [10:30] <mjg59> Except it turns out that Freenode blocked my reply to you [10:30] <Robot101> thfreenode. [10:30] <elmo> are you registered now? [10:31] <mjg59> Yes, but I can't remember my password [10:31] <janimo> is there a simple way to find out recursive depends of a package (something like germinate does I think) [10:31] <mjg59> And can't be arsed getting it reissued [10:31] <tseng> janimo: apt-cache rdepends foo [10:31] <janimo> not reverse, recursive :) [10:31] <tseng> umn [10:32] <janimo> want to find out why gaim brings in bonobo, even it's not in it's immediate depends [10:32] <mvo> janimo: --recurse [10:32] <Robot101> janimo: gaim-evolution plugin? [10:33] <janimo> mvo, Robot101 thanks guys [10:35] <janimo> Robot101 gaim does not seem to depend on evo plugin, where do you see that? [10:35] <Robot101> it suggests evolution-data-server [10:36] <Robot101> is it installing new, or just upgrading? [10:36] <janimo> I assume Suggested packages are not installed right? === mbreit [n=mo@customer13.arcomf.wlan.tdcmobil.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:36] <janimo> new install [10:36] <Robot101> if it suggests: foo (>ver), and you have an old foo, it might upgrade it [10:36] <janimo> or was there a recent change in apt re suggest: field?hmm === feeha1 [n=sfeehan@egress.sbb.uvm.edu] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:46] <j^> a52dec prints "No accelerated IMDCT transform found" to stderr, this is of no interest to anyone, would a patch be acccepted? [10:46] <j^> looking at the code it will allways print that [10:47] <j^> liba52-0.7.4 === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [10:52] <bddebian> infinity or lamont-away: ping? [10:53] <zyga> yay - my first SMP box is online :D [11:03] <slomo> jbailey: found a similar bug probably... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=156488 [11:10] <Kamion> seb128: the first would be cdebconf except smurfix forgot to actually make it translatable; I'm fixing that now === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:10] <janimo> seb128, ping [11:11] <Kamion> seb128: I'm not sure exactly what you mean by the second message [11:11] <bddebian> infinity: If you come around, can you please clear the dep-wait for bayonne? [11:11] <Kamion> jkrogh: if in doubt, use 'debian-installer' as a catch-all for installer bugs. In this particular case, a more accurate component is probably 'choose-mirror'. === Valandil [n=chrys@dsl-084-056-119-137.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:13] <jkrogh> Kamion: Ok.. This one should actualy have been assingen to "go to bed, you're tired".. since I actually just found the feature where it should be. [11:13] <Kamion> fair enough :) === lionel_ [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:16] <jbailey> slomo: Ah, interesting. [11:17] <slomo> jbailey: but that was the only similar bug i found with google... but yaboot has other problems with xfs it seems ;) when the kernel is a fragmented file everything breaks [11:18] <seb128> Kamion: the partionner list of options [11:18] <seb128> * Resize IDE [11:18] <seb128> * use LVM [11:18] <seb128> * ... [11:20] <slomo> jbailey: maybe we should forbid installing on xfs in the installer when we can't fix it for the release === sabdfl [n=mark@wbs-146-176-99.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simza [n=rpGirl@214.84-48-74.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax6-011.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:34] <Kamion> seb128: oh, you confused me because that isn't an accurate quote [11:35] <jbailey> slomo: I expect it will be fixable. [11:35] <Kamion> seb128: the "IDE" there is part of a substitution, so searching for "Resize IDE" won't find anything [11:35] <jbailey> slomo: HAving narrowed it down to this makes it easier to hack on at least. [11:35] <jbailey> slomo: Also, I know the guy who's been doing xfs for grub2, I can ask him for thoughts. === squirrelpimp [n=squirrel@p54AB819F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:35] <seb128> Kamion: sorry, that's what I've noted from my install ... the "Resize" is not translated [11:35] <slomo> jbailey: sounds good... did you already talk to the yaboot people? [11:36] <Kamion> seb128: it's partman-auto - trying to figure out why it's not showing up in installer-po [11:36] <Kamion> _Description: Resize ${PARTITION} and use freed space [11:36] <squirrelpimp> anyone knowing, when the dri version mismatch will be fixed in the breezy repos? [11:36] <seb128> Kamion: yeah, that's probably this one [11:37] <Kamion> seb128: the .po file's there in the partman-auto source package, anyway [11:37] <Kamion> slomo: forbidding it's an option but it's a last resort === Kamion -> bed [11:37] <squirrelpimp> i know theres this workaround... but will it be fixed proberly? [11:38] <seb128> Kamion: 'night === squirrelpimp is no fan of downloading binary modules... [11:38] <sabdfl> gnight kamion [11:39] <sabdfl> actually, night all ;-) === sabdfl [n=mark@pdpc/supporter/silver/sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === OddAbe19 [n=OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel

=== sebest_ [n=chatzill@sebest.ovibes.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crispin is now known as crispin[zzz] [12:22] good night everybody, i'm off to bed === unkn0wn2u [n=unkn0wn2@CPE-65-31-196-27.neb.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] hey I can't get alsa to work as a normal non root user and when gnome starts it says something about hal failing [12:39] this belongs in #ubuntu, thanks [12:39] crimsun, thanks for all the help === norhted [n=norhted@81.213.117.88] has joined #ubuntu-devel === norhted [n=norhted@81.213.117.88] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:08] Heya bmonty [01:09] hi bddebian === xTina [n=xTina@p54A258A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bradb [n=bradb@modemcable033.209-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@asmallorange.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carstenh [n=carstenh@p54A63C0B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A60CB5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xhaker [i=xhaker@213.201.220.244] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xhaker [i=xhaker@213.201.220.244] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === xhaker [i=xhaker@213.201.220.244] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman_ [n=Glynn@amfea-proxy-2.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aeddan_ [n=aeddan@203.39.89.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Robot101 [i=robot101@light.bluelinux.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:08] phlaegel : pong? [03:12] infinity: phlaegel was wondering why mythplugins built but wasn't showing in the archive === evilryu [i=thiagoam@201.5.61.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:15] bddebian : Ahh. I assume someone explained it to him? [03:15] ola tem algum brasileiro qui? === evilryu [i=thiagoam@201.5.61.125] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:23] infinity: nope. [03:24] infinity: bddebian pointed me to you or to lamont [03:26] Well, if I had to guess, I'd say that mythplugins has started generating a new binary package that was never in the archive before. [03:26] So, that needs to be processed before it can be installed. [03:29] hm. I guess that would be mythplugins, which seems to be a new metapackage [03:30] Looks that way, yep. [03:30] No big deal, it'll get processed. [03:30] ok, thanks [03:30] infinity: Sorry, I thought that but I wasn't sure. === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:52] w/ii jorton === ikuyaLoqu [n=ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@203-214-4-72.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nihi1 [n=nihil@213.155.195.189] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:21] hi people. ;-) [04:21] Hello nihi1 [04:22] hello bddebian! [04:22] are you a developer? [04:22] obviously in ubuntu [04:22] ? [04:23] Not exactly no. [04:23] oh... why are uhere? [04:23] :-( [04:23] haha [04:23] I like to bug people :-) [04:23] wow [04:23] lol: [04:24] bob2: you? [04:25] not really [04:25] ok [04:25] if you have a question, tho, it's way less annoying if you just ask it [04:27] what time is it now? [04:27] there! [04:27] breakfast time [04:27] ok... well here 4.27 night! [04:28] not yet breakfast time! [04:29] i have a Centrino do you know if it works whit latest ubuntu default kernel? [04:30] it works with every ubuntu default kernel [04:30] but this is a #ubuntu discussion, not here [04:30] i agree! [04:30] sorry! [04:31] i'm going! === bddebian2 [n=bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nihi1 [n=nihil@213.155.195.189] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === bddebian2 is now known as bddebian === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax8-089.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [n=michael@pcp0011975002pcs.sandia01.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:00] Wow, that was some brilliant conversation I missed. [06:04] ?? === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:08] infinity: libsdl-erlang_blah-1ubuntu1 will push out libsdl-erlang_blah-1 even with an existing dep-wait right? [06:09] -EPARSE === Xof [n=mas01cr@gibbons.doc.gold.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:10] Right now libsdl-erlang_0.95.0630-1 is in Dep-Wait for xlibmesa-gl-dev. I just uploaded libsdl-erlang_0.95.0630-1ubuntu1. It should replace that in the queue right? [06:10] Though will probably have to have the dep-wait cleared? [06:12] Right. The upload will happily go through, but it won't build until the dep-wait is manually whacked. [06:12] Which I can do for you. [06:12] hrm.. does anyone else have the large style battery applet, for me it shows empty while its 100% full (and the text tag says 100%, so its not seeing it wrong) [06:12] infinity: Yeah I knew that, I'm just waiting for my ubuntu1 version to show up. :-) [06:13] Lathiat: I don't have that problem currently [06:13] bddebian : Looks like it's gone in already. [06:14] Hmm, I don't see it. [06:15] Version : 0.95.0630-1ubuntu1 [06:15] State : Needs-Build [06:15] (etc) [06:15] I cleared the dep-wait just now. [06:15] Thank you [06:16] why dont old dep-waits clear on new packages? [06:16] It's an intentionaly feature, though probably outmoded in Ubuntu's use case. [06:16] s/aly/al/ [06:17] The idea is that you don't want to waste bandwidth and/or CPU on building a new package until all the dep-waits are satisfied. [06:17] Aye [06:18] So, if libfoo is broken on archbar, and I dep-wait packagequux on libfoo (>> 1.2.3-1brokenver), then no matter how many times packagequux is uploaded, I won't bothere trying to rebuild it until libfoo is uploaded with a (presumably) fixed version. [06:18] (Insert other use cases here) [06:19] Kinda like my axiom, which I still don't understand :-( [06:19] However, we can use it for more clever things too, like intentionally holding back packages so they don't build against known-incorrect dependencies, etc (for fear they they WILL build, WILL be uploaded, and WILL be buggy) [06:20] Hrm. What's the deal with axiom/gcl? [06:21] infinity: I don't know. It built/installed locally without ever complaining about the gcl version (and it should have). I have asked elmo to sync the newer gcl. :-( [06:22] Oh, libsdl-erlang built fine everywhere, BTW. [06:23] Awesome, thx [06:23] If it doesn't actually need the newer gcl, you could just relax the build-dep. [06:24] Yeah but it's just a -6 release update and should sync better next go-round. [06:24] True. === tritium [n=michael@pcp0011975002pcs.sandia01.nm.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [06:25] Looks like Camm bumped the build-dep due to his changes in how gcl/axiom and friends pull in binutils-dev and do evil things with it. [06:25] (Very evil things, for the record) [06:25] axiom is fully evil period :-) === hunger [n=hunger@p54A60F43.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:26] Took like 5/6 hours to build after several attempts at getting the X libs crap straightened out :-) [06:26] Most of the packages Camm maintains are evil. To be fair, it's the nature of complex math software to be evil, it's not really his fault. :) === ironwolf [n=ironwolf@c-67-188-204-176.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:27] Oh aye, I wasn't blaming him. [06:38] Gnight folks, thanks again infinity [06:42] morning === Gman_ is now known as GmanAFK === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:10] Good morning [07:15] morning pitti [07:15] Hey fabbione === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Xof [n=mas01cr@gibbons.doc.gold.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lorenzod [n=lorenzod@80.87.77.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:01] morning. [08:02] I've tried to use the ltsp-setup from breezy.. it seems to work flawless and I got to the [08:02] gdm login screen of the server in the first shot. [08:02] But my clients looses the keyboard when X starts. [08:06] jkrogh: do you mean they lose the layout, or the keyboard just doesn't work? [08:07] The X-server doesn't respond to the keyboard at all. [08:08] I can press "disconnect" using the mouse and get a shell on the client if I press alt+F2 before the X-server starts again. [08:08] jkrogh: hmm interesting.. could you please boot up a client, switch to console before login and take a copy of /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? [08:08] i wonder if the X config is doomed [08:08] but i suggest to collect these info and put them in a bug on bugzilla.ubuntu.com [08:08] Component: ltsp [08:09] it might not be X at fault here [08:09] but some generated config files [08:11] is ubuntu express happening for breezy? [08:14] afaik is there already, isn't it? [08:14] How do I get xorg.conf out of there? [08:15] jkrogh: you should be able to scp it from the workstation to the server [08:21] siretart: ping [08:23] pitti: pong [08:23] did I break something (again)? [08:26] siretart: no, don't worry :-) Just replied to your tabextensions mail on security-review [08:26] puh :) [08:26] win46 [08:27] siretart: thanks for moving so quickly, btw :) [08:27] bob2: hehe, just 1 borked upload ;) [08:27] bob2: btw, do you happen to know when debian will switch over to python 2.4? [08:28] siretart: not until after the C++ transition is done, I gather [08:28] http://pastebin.com/374405 -> xorg.conf from the client. [08:28] okay [08:28] so you'll have to have that diff for a while [08:28] will do [08:28] I fear there are still issues with lyx [08:28] hey siretart [08:28] will look after them [08:28] hi fabbione! [08:28] siretart: hm, how so? [08:28] fabbione: I see igor is building packages :) [08:29] siretart: yup :) [08:29] bob2: there is no /usr/bin/lyx for me. (huh?) [08:29] i did set it up saturday [08:29] :) [08:29] siretart: but i had no problems at all to upgrade to 2.6.12-9 and brezzy [08:29] breezy even [08:29] (yeah sarge was too boring ;)) [08:29] oh, crap [08:29] maybe I broke the alternative thing [08:30] fabbione: hehe, I've seen that :) - it did survive the reboot :) [08:30] Can I find the X-servers log anywhere? [08:30] jkrogh: /var/log [08:30] siretart: yeah.. no problems at all [08:30] fabbione: just one question, won't the sparc buildlogs show up on p.u.c/~lamont/buildLogs/? [08:31] siretart: no, they show here: http://bld-3.mmjgroup.com/buildLogs/ [08:31] aah [08:31] we are working on getting them all together [08:31] aah. okay. I was confused because ia64 is appearing at lamonts site [08:32] siretart: that's because ia64 is builded at the DataCenter [08:32] hppa and sparc no [08:32] aah. this explains [08:32] we can't use all the infrastructure yet [08:32] anyway we got some install test [08:32] okay, okay. Now I understand [08:32] there are 2 glitches in the installer (nothing fancy to fix) [08:33] and that's it.. we need a xorg upload to get ubuntu-desktop installable [08:33] so we are looking very very good for breezy [08:33] cool! :) [08:33] anyway.. i need to go offline a few minutes [08:33] bbl === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:34] bob2: there really seems to be some foo in the ubuntu package [08:34] bob2: with that alternatives [08:35] bob2: shouldn't lyx-qt.postinst install the alternatives? [08:35] yes === Kamion [n=cjwatson@83-216-156-196.colinw664.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:36] there is just the snippet about update-menus in there, no call to install-alternatives [08:37] guess that's a bug then [08:37] and in the source package, there is no debian/lyx-qt.postinst even [08:37] Should I be able to login to the console using the standard logins from the terminal server? [08:37] siretart: yes, debhelper generates it [08:38] ah. hm [08:39] it'd be great if you could file a bug in Debian [08:40] first I'll see if that bug even exist in debian [08:40] but will do [08:41] thanks a lot :) === bob2 -> dinner [08:41] bye, bob2 [08:50] re [08:50] Seems like a regular X-bug to me. crtl+alt+backspace doesn't work either. === chmj [n=chmj@wbs-146-148-213.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:51] Hhowdy all [08:52] jkrogh: yes, you can login on standard console [08:52] jkrogh: please file a bug on bugzilla and add the xorg.conf as i asked before [08:52] I've done that. === Valandil [n=chrys@dsl-084-056-122-064.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:53] jkrogh: ok, bug number? [08:53] 16355 [08:54] jkrogh: gdm?? our ltsp doesn't use gdm at all [08:54] bug filed, I'm off to uni. cu [08:54] No.. but it makes an X -query terminalserver [08:54] where I get the gdm/ubuntu prompt over XDMCP [08:55] nah [08:55] you have something really wrong on your setup [08:55] we don't use XDMCP at all === jane_ [n=JaneW@wbs-146-142-218.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:56] Good morning jane_ === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sto [n=sto@debian/developer/sto] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:57] jkrogh: the Xorg.0.log is not complete afaict [08:58] Ok.. then I've accidentially tested the SERVER option of lts.conf [08:58] don't use them [08:58] there is no need to [08:58] <\sh> mdz: please assign all amarok issues via bugzilla to my account, and put riddell as CC, thx [08:59] \sh: you can do that yourself i think [08:59] fabbione: Then is the ltsp-setup not a thin but a rather "thick" setup? [08:59] <\sh> fabbione: i did now...but mdz is assigning sometimes the bugs ;) [09:00] jkrogh: i dunno all the details of ltsp. i use to test it here once in a while, but i never had the need of that [09:00] Ok, I'm not interrested in running the applications on the client. === crispin[zzz] is now known as crispin [09:01] I need the old-fashined xdmcp-way where all application run on the server. [09:01] hi pitti [09:01] But that should really be a trivial change to the other setup. [09:01] jkrogh: our ltsp executes apps on the server [09:01] Using ssh and X-forwarding? [09:01] jkrogh: you just did something wrong in your setup [09:01] jkrogh: yes. [09:02] jkrogh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto [09:02] that's all you need [09:07] fabbione: You're right.. Deleting the lts.org changes the setup to the ssh and X thing and now the keyboard works. [09:07] jkrogh: hehe ok, please close the bug than :) [09:08] .. I belive it is a bug anyway. There is no reason in not being able to work within exising xdcmp-setups like LTSP usually does. [09:08] But that's a feature request. [09:08] :-) === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:08] jkrogh: well whatever :) just adjust the bug to what you think is the right thing.. [09:09] KDE isn't available in the menu (probably since KDE isn't installed in the chroot). [09:10] the chroot is used only to boot the client and give you a login prompt. i don't even think gnome is installed there [09:10] iirc it's the server that offers the list of window managers, since they are executed after you login [09:10] but not the chroot itself [09:11] also Ubuntu doesn't install KDE by default [09:11] (that would be Kubuntu) [09:11] so it's unlikely to find such entry in the menu ;) === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:11] I did an apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [09:11] The users want the choiche :-) [09:12] jkrogh: where? in the chroot or the server? [09:12] On the server. [09:12] I have not modified the chroot [09:12] ok [09:12] hold on a sec.. [09:12] It is available on the gdm on the "physical" screen. === aigarius [n=aigarius@159.148.239.80] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:15] <\sh> infinity: ping [09:16] Kamion, the installer seems to leave /debootstrap/debootstrap.log on the root fs after done is that intentional? [09:19] jkrogh: you will need to file an enanchment bug for that. === GmanAFK is now known as Gman_ [09:20] jkrogh: the ltsp login manager (ldm) has an hardcoded menu in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/greeters/greeter.glade [09:20] jkrogh: at least AFAICS [09:20] Will do.. [09:21] \sh : gnop. [09:22] <\sh> infinity: I just try to fix enigmail ;) I only have to add an entry for mozilla 1.7.12, right? [09:23] <\sh> infinity: in debian/rules and debian/rules.mailnews [09:23] \sh : It's a bit more irritating than that. [09:24] <\sh> infinity: hmm...I think 1.7.12 has the same API version then 1.7.10 && 1.7.11 [09:24] \sh: don't break enigmail or you will phear the wrath of fabbione [09:25] \sh : Oh wait, no, that's all it takes. I have to re-read it every time I do this. [09:25] \sh : Yo uhave to alter all the OTHER stanzas in debian/rules to exclude 1.7.12 as well. [09:25] (such an intuitive packaging system..) [09:26] <\sh> infinity: yeah..it's really nice to read those rules files...it's too early in the morning for that...and I'm 10 cups of coffee behind [09:26] \sh : Oh, and regenrate debian/control, when you have the right build-deps installed. [09:27] \sh : So, install build-deps, make sure they're what you want, then run "debian/rules update_control" [09:27] <\sh> fabbione: hmmm...do u want to fix the unmet deps? ,-) [09:27] \sh : Alternately, just let me upload it. I did the last couple. :) [09:28] <\sh> infinity: that's why I pinged you ... but give me 10 mins to figure out the build system here...;) [09:30] \sh : I was probably going to hold off until we have a new Thunderbird, but if the new Tbird isn't in sight yet, two uploads makes more sense. [09:31] <\sh> hmm..pitti is doing tbird, right? [09:31] Yeah, but upstream still hasn't released 1.0.7. They announced it "soon". [09:32] (Actually, I may end up doing Tbird, I did last time, but... Whatever... No one will do it if it doesn't release) [09:32] <\sh> infinity: k..two uploads makes sense then :) [09:32] Yup. [09:33] Do test builds before you upload, and check the final debs with "dpkg-deb -c foo.deb" (to make sure the contents look sane) and "dpkg-deb -I foo.deb" (to make sure the control info is sane) [09:33] The build should fail on the former, but the latter will break if you mess up. :) [09:33] <\sh> infinity: I'm testing it anyways..:) [09:33] (ie: The build won't fail, but you'll make uninstallable binaries and I'll laugha at you) [09:33] <\sh> even on amd64... [09:33] So, test. :0 [09:34] <\sh> hmm...I think it's a good day to break something ... after my 3rd tft died here :( [09:34] In other news, enigmail's build system is teh suck, and I keep meaning to talk to asack about making it less so. === dcraven_ [n=dcraven@CPE000f3d5d5cd1-CM014340007726.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:36] <\sh> infinity: after the mess with jdongs backported firefox package...well nothing will shock me anymore [09:37] mirrormax? [09:37] <\sh> yepp [09:37] *scary thought* [09:39] Anyone in here have OSX installed and care to carry out an experiment? [09:39] <\sh> well...think about this: 10 people who are supporting actively the german ubuntu community, being hit by an uncounted ammount of people complaining...well, it was fun on saturday and sunday === sedak [n=fred@82-32-125-115.cable.ubr04.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:42] \sh, that was nasty, good thing on our side, people are just discovering linux itself... === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-18-108.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:43] seb128: bon jour :) [09:44] hey seb [09:44] hi sivang fabbione [09:45] seb128: you mentioned something about new gnome crack coming in today [09:45] is there any specific build sequence we need to care about? [09:45] fabbione: GNOME 2.12.1 tarballs due today, why ? [09:45] no [09:45] so no new gtk crack or stuff.. right? [09:46] probably a new GTK and stuff [09:46] but nothing that require a special change or build order [09:46] seb128: well i was asking because sparc is now installable.. and sort of breaking it at 3 weeks from release would be annoying :) [09:46] just bug fixes tarballs === dholbach [i=foobar@i577B0E74.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:47] perfect [09:47] good morning [09:47] dholbach: Moins === vuntz [n=vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:47] hey sivang [09:48] hey vuntz [09:48] hi sivang [09:48] <\sh> infinity: hmm...looks ok here [09:48] hey dholbach [09:48] hey vuntz [09:49] morning seb, how are you? [09:49] hey seb128 [09:49] dholbach: great :) [09:49] seb128: you're not sleeping? You're waking up early ;-) [09:49] dholbach: my mailbox is bug flooded to change [09:49] <\sh> infinity: only the postinst of enigmail for thunderbird is complaining something about "find"....but it looks like that's thunderbird chrome update util [09:49] vuntz: GNOME 2.12.1 ... [09:50] \sh : Yeah, that's a different bug. :) [09:50] <\sh> infinity: ok..so it's not mine :) installation is smooth...so I think I can upload...:) [09:50] seb128: 2.12.1 is next week [09:50] <\sh> oh damn...it's main ;) [09:50] <\sh> I don't upload ;) [09:50] vuntz: grumpf [09:51] vuntz: you sure? [09:51] http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning_2fTwoPointEleven [09:51] crap [09:51] a bug replying borring week again [09:51] ahah [09:51] I'll bother some upstream to get bug fixed [09:52] let's start with this recent files bug ... vuntz ? :) [09:52] seb128: you should add "a bug replying borring week again" to all the comments you make in bugzilla [09:52] seb128: you can get the new gtkhtml and rsrv in :) [09:52] rsvg [09:52] dholbach: free to you [09:52] dholbach: I want to keep my job [09:52] seb128: well, I won't look at it before 2 or 3 days [09:52] hahahaha [09:52] the new librsvg breaks the ubuntu bug [09:52] and gtkhtml is 2.11 [09:52] <\sh> mdz / Kamion: ok for you to upload enigmail to fix the unmet dep? [09:53] and it's dobey's tarball [09:53] s/bug/theme/ [09:53] vuntz: k, I'll mail markmc :) [09:53] seb128: won't your patch make it work nicely? [09:53] dholbach: the purpose of this version is to not need the patch [09:53] ah right [09:53] they changed 100 by 1024 for the tag [09:53] that seb... always brilliantly informed :) [09:54] dholbach: BTW did you track this amd64 crasher? [09:54] seb128: in g-s-t? [09:55] seb128: there are a couple of amd64 issues in g-s-t, especially the user part of it - none of my tests made it work or showed the actual problem [09:55] users-admin [09:55] k [09:55] <\sh> infinity: please have a look over the debdiff for enigmail...just need to be sure, that I don't break anything... [09:55] \sh : Heh, okay.. [09:55] seb128: it's not improper xml handling, it's not the signedness warnings and not the password generation :-/ === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:55] \sh : Mail? [09:56] hello :-) [09:56] we hit slashdot again [09:56] dholbach: so what is it? BTW if you have cleanup patch fell free to bugzilla them upstream :p [09:56] <\sh> infinity: http://linux.blogweb.de/uploads/engimail.diff.gz (please unzip to apply) it's debdiff against ubuntu3 [09:56] <\sh> gunzip even [09:57] <\sh> argl [09:57] seb128: i have no clue what it is [09:57] <\sh> infinity: sorry...this is the right url: http://linux.blogweb.de/uploads/enigmail.diff.gz === \sh should type without coffee [10:00] \sh : That should work. [10:01] \sh : A slightly more verbose changelog entry is always nice, though. [10:01] \sh : Even if it's just a copy and paste of my previous one with s/11/12/ :) === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:05] fabbione: Have you used the terminal setup or just tested it? [10:05] jkrogh: i only test it. I have no need of such setup on a regular base [10:05] The client has trouble keeping up the nfs-mounted-root-fs here. [10:06] http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12942 <- is this problem by any chance? === verwilst [n=verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:06] hellow! [10:07] anybody having problems with laptop-detect hanging when it's being installed? [10:07] during first bootup ( ubuntu breezy preview iso ) [10:07] it starts to install laptop-detect, but just sits thre [10:07] there [10:08] on the console i can't see anything strange [10:08] it just stops [10:08] verwilst: it's quite unlikely that laptop detect can hang... [10:08] fabbione: it's not laptop-detect that hangs [10:08] it's apt [10:08] well, it doesn't really hang [10:08] since when i do ctrl - c on the console where apt is shown, it just re-does apt-get install laptop-detect [10:09] and hangs at the same place [10:09] ( last lines are when it shows NEW pkgs that will be installed [10:09] verwilst: that's weird.. did you install from CD? [10:09] yip [10:09] i installed a system correctly with it too [10:10] this is on a Dell PowerEdge 2850 [10:10] verwilst: i have no idea sorry.. open a bug [10:10] just thought i'd ask here first ;) === dand [n=dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:12] fabbione: Thanks .. i'll investigate. === silbs [n=jane@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:12] <\sh> infinity: ok will do :) [10:13] jkrogh: no problem [10:14] <\sh> infinity: now I will need the ok of mdz/kamion, or? [10:14] \sh : No, you're just resolving unmet deps. Blame it on me if you get yelled at. [10:15] <\sh> infinity: your word in gods ear ;) [10:15] <\sh> uploaded === hunger [n=hunger@p54A62BF3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:24] \sh : Hah, you actually DID copy-n-paste my changelog entry. :) [10:25] \sh : You owe me a beer at UBZ for taking me too literally. [10:28] <\sh> infinity: fck...I missed the mozilla SDK s/1.7.10/1.7.11/ [10:28] No, that's correct as it is. [10:28] <\sh> infinity: how many beers I owe you now? ,-) [10:28] It's using the 1.7.10 SDK. [10:28] There is no .11 or .12 SDK in the orig. [10:28] <\sh> elmo - 5 ; infinity - ?? [10:29] \sh: elmo - 5 = infinity ?! [10:29] Likely a few dozen. [10:29] You can stop buying after you get sexy. [10:30] <\sh> infinity: I'm not going to get sexy ;) [10:30] Hey, if I get drunk enough, anything's possible. [10:30] <\sh> infinity: I'm already sexy ,-) [10:31] I seem to be hit by the "rsize=32k" bug but the client doesn't seem to respect my changes in pxelinux.cfg/default [10:32] i can't change "upstream ubuntu" bugs in malone *cry* [10:33] Diziet: ok, if i assign the firefox in malone to you? [10:33] janimo: kind of, but that'll be fixed before release anyway (by merging debootstrap 0.3.1.6) [10:34] hi janimo :) [10:34] verwilst: what kind of install are you doing? I assume it's a server install, to start with [10:34] <\sh> dholbach: u r spamming ,-) [10:35] Kamion: yep [10:35] http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16365 [10:35] maybe server installs haven't been tested as much ;) [10:36] verwilst: did you skip anything in the first stage of the installer? [10:36] like "copy packages to hard disk"? [10:36] Kamion: nope [10:36] the packages are there [10:36] can a english native speaker please have a look at #16295? [10:36] seb128: ok, if i change the "gnome team" bugs in malone to be sent to ubuntu-desktop@? [10:36] in /var/cache/apt/archives [10:37] dholbach: no [10:37] morning mvo :) [10:37] seb128: hm, why? [10:37] dholbach: it's already too much flooded with desktop bugs [10:37] hey dholbach [10:37] verwilst: then please attach /var/log/installer/syslog, /var/log/base-config.log, and /var/log/base-config-pkgsel.log to the bug [10:37] dholbach: that's not possible to catch with the universe bugs too [10:37] i see [10:37] hmhmhmhm [10:37] verwilst: it's probably a duplicate of other bugs though - there's a standing problem with apt media-check messages which I know is not resolved yet [10:37] i'd like to have them on a list too [10:37] yeah, but a motu one [10:37] Kamion: ah damn, i rebooted and installed packages manually :p [10:37] we need to keep the desktop one useful [10:38] seb128: jdub will cry if i will force him to open a ubuntu-universe-desktop@ list :) [10:38] Kamion: but i'll reinstall again tomorrow, and attach those files, oki? [10:38] dholbach: ha ha [10:38] <\sh> elmo: please sync rrdcollect_0.2.3-2 from debian unstable (universe that is) thx [10:39] hell, i'll reinstall now, brb [10:40] verwilst: that'd be good, thanks [10:40] dholbach: *CRY* [10:40] mvo: #16295 confirmed === dholbach comforts jdub a bit [10:40] dholbach, jdub, hey what about a ubuntu-universe-desktop-backports-and-other-crack list [10:40] hey hey jdub :) [10:40] morning btw === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-232-5.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:41]