=== x_madbot [i=1000@200.222.202.184] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU [12:13] good night everybody === xerxas [n=xerxas@165.98.98-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:22] good night everybody, i'm off to bed [12:22] cya daniel [12:23] bye daniel :) [12:27] hi [12:28] some using rhythmbox on breezy ? [12:28] remote vfs seems to have disappeared [12:28] anybody confirms this ? === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvelocity [n=tony@ipa112.2.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:23] Anyone use/play falconseye? [01:39] Does anyone know who maintains the kimdaba package? Seems to just be converted from debian? Because I'd like to see version 2.1 in breezy. Can I help there out? === bradb [n=bradb@modemcable033.209-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@asmallorange.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:43] blueyed: You might want to try Riddell becuase it rdepends on kde-extras [01:43] If he OKs it, I can try to build it [01:43] Heya seth_k|lappy [01:43] blueyed: go ahead [01:43] hey bddebian [01:44] Riddell: so bddebian can build it? [01:44] blueyed: if he wants, or you can do it [01:45] Riddell: I think it's better if he does, because I've not much experience with building, neither am I a motu.. :) [01:45] blueyed: kimdaba 2.1 is in debian, needs a sync [01:46] Riddell: Do you already know that it builds OK? [01:46] I do not [01:46] OK, I'll try it [01:46] bddebian: thanks! [01:46] very good of you, I'd have just told blueyed to test it :) [01:46] I'm off to bed, let me know if you need me [01:47] It makes me feel like I"m doing SOMETHING ;-) [01:47] Gnight Riddell [01:47] night Riddell "! === tvelocity [n=tony@ipa112.2.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === neighborlee [n=neighbor@d6-56.rb2.gh.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xhaker [i=xhaker@213.201.220.244] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvelocity [n=tony@ipa112.2.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:38] bddebian: has it worked out with kimdaba? [02:39] blueyed: I was in the middle of another build. I'm pulling the build-deps for kimdaba now. [02:41] Is there some docu on what you're doing now? [02:42] blueyed: It's pretty similar to this process: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMergeTips [02:45] Will catch up on this someday. Thanks again. I hope it works without problems, cause kimdaba is a really nice app. Good night. [02:46] Gnight [02:47] blueyed: Well it built successfully, let's see if it installs [02:48] Looks OK, I'll ask for a sync [02:48] bddebian: Are you using pbuilder on hoary? [02:48] bddebian: Great :) [02:48] blueyed: No I'm all breezy ;-) [02:49] bddebian: I've tried this directly after hoary came out, but it was difficult.. ;) cu [02:49] Later [02:50] Riddell: You still up? === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:09] Damn it's been quiet in here the last couple days === x_madbot [i=1000@200.222.202.184] has left #ubuntu-MOTU [] [04:18] yeah, I decided it's not the life for me ;) [04:19] Heh [04:20] ogra: hey, if I have all of our debian files included with the upstream source doesn't that make making a non-native package redundant? [04:20] ajmitch: Hey, we need another bug day. Our list is growing not shriking :-( [04:20] bddebian: so call for another bug day [04:21] bddebian: I'm not worthy for such a task :) [04:21] Since when? [04:24] for quite awhile [04:28] interesting visitors in -devel [04:28] heh === ajmitch needs another decent shot of caffiene === bddebian2 [n=bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:53] Damnit why to people make comments that bugs are fixed but not close the bugs? [04:55] And better yet, why do I keep talking to myself? [04:58] because you don't want to talk to us [05:02] bddebian: I just rejected a bug to make you feel better :) [05:02] bmonty: :-) [05:03] the meeting I have to be at to get accepted as an MOTU is the technical board meeting, right? [05:05] bddebian: falconseye could use a Comment in the .desktop, the tooltip on the menu is blank [05:06] bmonty: and then the MOTU initiation [05:06] ajmitch: but the next step in the process is the technical board meeting? [05:08] bmonty: Yep [05:08] phlaegel: Are you watching me? :-) [05:09] do they have they meeting at any other time than 2000? [05:09] bddebian: be afraid [05:12] bddebian: does falconseye work for you? [05:13] bddebian: it just hangs after character selection for me and I have to kill it (makes for a pretty predictable game ;-) ) [05:15] phlaegel: Hmm. I had a problem exiting but yes I have the same problem after character creation === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-36-226.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-36-226.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:38] night all [05:40] Gnight bmonty === tritium [n=michael@pcp0011975002pcs.sandia01.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:46] Heya tritium [05:46] hi bddebian === markuman [n=markuman@p50925C52.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [n=michael@pcp0011975002pcs.sandia01.nm.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [06:38] Gnight gang === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abarbaccia [n=abarbacc@69-162-20-65.stcgpa.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:37] hey all - anybody know when the mythtv 0.18.1 plugin packages are going to be updated? === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === desplesda [n=desplesd@58.164.216.122] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:41] they've already been updated, and they've built successfully [07:41] they just need to be moved into the archive [07:44] crimsun, alright, great [07:45] thanks! === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:48] <\sh> morning === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-36-226.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:53] hi \sh [07:54] siretart: ping [07:54] Yagisan: pong [07:54] morning [07:55] siretart: Is the revu recover password script broken ? I didn't get anything to paste into gpg [07:56] oh. lets see [07:57] hm. youre right. wait [07:57] Yagisan: should work again now [07:57] thanks siretart - I wanted to help clarify the raven license issues you mention for deng [07:57] sorry for the inconvinience [07:58] siretart - no worries [07:58] ah. great! [07:59] Yagisan: the problem with the packages is, that, from what I see from the package in debian/licence as well as from source files inside, that those packages are clearly not redistributable [08:00] I'd really like to see them in ubuntu, but with that raven license, that's not possible :( [08:00] while I agree the raven license is a mess [08:01] it is redistributable - but it can't be commercially redistributed [08:01] their lawyers added that crap standard eula to it [08:02] I can disable the heretc and hexen shared objects [08:03] you'd need to cut out the source, too [08:03] as the seem to be the only parts covered by the raven license atm [08:03] ajmitch - yeah .dfsg the source [08:04] most of the heretic and hexen parts have been or currently are being re-written - but upstream needs a license cluebat [08:04] a rather solid one [08:04] yeah! jdong asking for help how to do transition packages *g* [08:05] at least they had enough of one to keep the raven code in a seperate module [08:06] but thats in the same source package, right? [08:06] same tarball yes [08:07] I think it's suitable for multiverse/non-free but if you think it should be repacked - no worries [08:07] lets see again [08:07] I have until dapper to fix it [08:08] I'm just glad it's not as bad as doom-legacy [08:08] where is Ravenlic.txt in the source tree? [08:08] /Docs [08:08] ah [08:08] LICENSE CONDITIONS. [08:08] You shall not: [08:08] * Make copies of this Program or any part thereof, or make copies of [08:08] the materials accompanying this Program. [08:09] wtf [08:09] I think this one is pretty clear that it's not suitable even for multiverse :( [08:09] there is even more bullshit in http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/deng-0508231655/deng-1.8.9+1.9.0beta2/Doc/Ravenlic.txt [08:10] Yep - the lawyers were smoking something when they wrote that [08:10] well, then the further action is clear [08:10] if you have any activision games [08:11] run a diff over the license - it's amusing [08:11] Yagisan: please repackage deng so that there is no code with this crap licence left. sorry, I don't see any other way [08:11] yes? what did they change? [08:11] I assume nothing [08:12] when you run a diff - the only bit left is the source terms [08:12] but activision doesn't seem to repond to emails about the license [08:12] I'll repackage it [08:12] sure, they don't understand that whole thing about free software and redistributing source [08:13] but one time, if ubuntu is even more successful, they will haunt lawyers at canonical, because they think canonical (or we) have the money to pay them [08:13] sorry, we can't play that game [08:15] siretart: please delete deng-jheretic-ujhrp, deng-jheretic-ui, deng-jheretic-tp, deng-iwad-heretic-installer, [08:15] deng-iwad-hexendd-installer, deng-iwad-hexen-installer, deng-jhexen-ui, deng-jhexen-xccp from revu [08:15] as they depend on the soon to be removed heretic and hexen parts - I'll re-add them when upstream fixes their source [08:16] okay [08:17] Yagisan: and btw, does it really make sense to split them at that granularity? [08:17] and you mean deng itself, no? [08:18] I was going to add a note to deng [08:18] and reupload later this week [08:18] ok, I'll archive that too [08:19] http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/deng-jdoom-awp-0508180200/deng-jdoom-awp-3.03/debian/copyright [08:19] re: splitting - I think yes because a) multiple upstreams, b) slow machines can't use the models, c) the users emailed me and asked for it [08:19] btw, this is not enough in any way [08:20] this copyright file does not state that this files are even distributable [08:20] distributable is a must requirement for multiverse. and when it comes to license files, we have to assume that anything is denied what not otherwise stated true [08:22] Yagisan: I'm not really convinced that those reason really justify to split. if you are concerned about this, you could pack all upstream tarballs in a new 'orig' tarball, and extract them at buildtime [08:22] I'll fix the copyright notices on the data packs - but some of the data pack authors are against putting anything more then what is already stated [08:22] that would make handling and reviewing of these packages easier [08:22] over here it is anything that is not explicitly forbidden is allowed [08:22] Yagisan: that is sad, because that results then in undistributable :( [08:23] Yagisan: sorry. this does not work for me, and I don't think for ubuntu/canonical either [08:23] I'll hunt down the forum links that state redistributable [08:23] perhaps ajmitch can comment on this [08:23] he is more experienced about license terms [08:24] no worries - it's nothing worth arguing over [08:24] 1st - fix deng - then look at data packs [08:24] okay [08:24] good idea [08:24] sorry its 1st - fix network - 2nd fix deng [08:25] one of my pc's isn't turning on anymore :( [08:25] and siretart - thanks for reviewing deng [08:25] no matter [08:26] I know that it is a PITA to package comercian games/stuff [08:28] yeah - many of them need cluebats because of stuff like this === Valandil [n=chrys@dsl-084-056-122-064.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:09] <\sh> grpmf [09:09] morning sh [09:10] <\sh> morning Treenaks === dcraven_ [n=dcraven@CPE000f3d5d5cd1-CM014340007726.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sedak [n=fred@82-32-125-115.cable.ubr04.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio- [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [i=foobar@i577B0E74.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:47] good morning [09:48] <\sh> moins dholbach ... nice post btw :) [09:48] hi [09:48] morning \sh, post? [09:48] <\sh> dholbach: your blog post :) [09:48] ahh :) [09:48] you see, i'm in love :) [09:49] wow === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:51] anyone played with clearlooks-cairo? === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:38] morning \sh, hi dholbach [10:38] morning reinhard [10:39] <\sh> hey siretart [10:39] yay. first upload to hoary-updates :) [10:40] do we have a defined policy what can go to {warty,hoary,breezy,dapper}-updates? [10:40] <\sh> siretart: how did u do it? [10:41] <\sh> set release to hoary-updates? [10:41] \sh: pitti told to do so. yes [10:41] <\sh> siretart: hmmm...so we are able to update as well security related packages like clamav? [10:42] yes, but they need to be reviewed on security-review@lists.ubuntu.com [10:42] <\sh> siretart: good to know :) [10:46] what was again the tool to create empty dummy packages? [10:46] I know how to use it, but I always forget its name :( [10:46] siretart: apt-get source meta-gnome2 :) [10:47] there is a tool to do that ? === dholbach didn't know either [10:47] please make a note on PackagingTips if you find out again :) [10:47] (me always uses dh_make on a epmty dir and cleans up /debian) === thesaltydog [n=yoshi@host194-61.pool8023.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:50] siretart: equivs-build? [10:51] hi ogra, dholbach [10:52] hey andrew [10:52] hey ajmitch [10:52] equivs. thanks! [10:52] siretart: zgrep -i empty /usr/share/man/man1/* | grep -i package :) === wickedpuppy [n=wicked@cm200.epsilon164.maxonline.com.sg] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === herzi [n=herzi@c200210.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio- [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === svijaykr [n=svijaykr@inet-nc01-o.oracle.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === svijaykr [n=svijaykr@inet-nc01-o.oracle.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === koke [n=koke@169.Red-217-127-113.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:29] hi everyone :) === doko [n=doko@dsl-084-059-075-164.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === j^ [n=j@e178051136.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@DSL01.83.171.162.132.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:06] hi folks [12:07] ping ajmitch [12:07] pong [12:08] ajmitch: did you get my mail regarding motuminutes? [12:08] yes, sorry I haven't replied yet [12:08] minutes look good [12:08] ah, cool... just thought i might have used a wrong email-addy ;) [12:08] nah.. [12:08] I've just been rather busy with work [12:08] ok === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:29] does anyone know if gcc is different on the buildds? (like using compiler-cache or s.th.) === thesaltydog [n=yoshi@host194-61.pool8023.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:43] <\sh> dholbach: ping <- use kubuntu-team for assigning kubuntu bugs ,-) [12:43] kubuntu-team? [12:43] right [12:43] will do [12:43] can your team handle the flood of bugs? ;) === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === alisher [n=alex@vp219037.hkn.uac75.hknet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:46] dholbach: man [12:46] tseng: what's wrong? :) [12:46] dholbach: how many of these beagle defunct process bugs will you assign me :P [12:46] tseng: all there are :) [12:46] if someone searches first it will be a miracle [12:46] tseng: i assign them to the "mono team" :) [12:47] i guess search is too slow for them :) [12:48] <\sh> dholbach: WAIT !!!!!!!!!!!!! [12:48] <\sh> dholbach: I have to confirm the mail address *argl* [12:48] i assigned a couple of bugs already :-p [12:49] <\sh> yeah...u spammed my inbox ;) [12:49] tell me when you're ready [12:50] <\sh> well...this is not so easy ;) [12:50] <\sh> dholbach: how did u add the launchpad address to the mailinglist? [12:50] i was the mailing list admin [12:50] that made things easier :) [12:51] i guess i simply whitelisted it [12:51] heh [12:51] dholbach, the man behind the curtain [12:51] <\sh> dholbach: hehe...I'm trying to fix it with riddell [12:51] super [12:52] <\sh> dholbach: which address is used by launchpad? or just whitelisted bugs.launchpad.net? [12:52] let me check [12:52] *@bugs.launchpad.net [12:52] it starts with the bug # [12:52] yeah, something like that [12:53] oh man, I see dholbach has been very busy on malone [12:53] sorry for that [12:53] no, that's good :) === ajmitch should register the zope team on launchpad [12:53] yeah [12:54] i was looking for it already [12:54] for those bugs like 2359 [12:54] \sh: ^(.*)bugs.launchpad.net [12:55] \sh: in privacy options -> accept these nonmembers [12:55] * $ ${HDR_FROM}.*@bugs.launchpad.net [12:55] :) === alisher [n=alex@vp219037.hkn.uac75.hknet.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [12:55] hm [12:55] * Created missing second .dzproduct file for dzhandle [12:55] HDR_FROM="^(From[ ] |(Old-|X-)?(Resent-)?(From|Reply-To|Sender|Cc):)(.*\<)?" [12:55] H_TOCC="((To|Cc):)" [12:55] but that bug says it's not there [12:55] probably a hoary bug then :) [12:56] tseng: you're a perfectionist [12:56] dholbach: :) [12:56] \sh: i will re-assign riddell's and amu's bugs to that list, right? [12:57] \sh: once you managed it [12:57] <\sh> dholbach: yeah...riddell has to fix mailman ;) [12:58] hi all [12:58] hey sebest [12:59] \sh, dholbach: done === ogra [n=ogra@p5089DAE3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:59] <\sh> Riddell: thx [01:00] <\sh> dholbach: try [01:00] did so :) [01:01] <\sh> dholbach: so i can delete the old bugs...did u reassign them? === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487FCB5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:01] delete bugs? [01:02] <\sh> dholbach: I have a bunch of assign kubuntu-team bug mails now, directly address to me (cause I was the team creator) [01:02] <\sh> dholbach: these bugs ;) [01:02] some didn't get through to the list [01:02] because you hadn't managed it yet [01:02] <\sh> dholbach: ah sht I forward them to the list [01:02] but *shrug* that's life [01:03] in malone there's a "view bugs of this team" view [01:03] dholbach, i read your mail about the "desktop team" [01:04] <\sh> dholbach: yeah...but when the contact address is not confirmed, malone send all mails to the team creater, which is me ,--) === Gervystar [n=gervysta@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:04] <\sh> dholbach: and now I'm searching the *censored* bounce function in evolution === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] <\sh> don't tell me evolution doesn't have a "bounce to" function *grrrr* [01:06] :) === ajmitch mutters - looks like the supposed fix for zope-ldap didn't really work [01:07] dholbach: how does the "desktop team" fit with gnome usability problem. For example when a user report a usability problem, he should assign it to the "desktop team" and the DT should fix it, or report the bug upstream? [01:07] sebest: depends [01:07] sebest: these are always cases for discussion [01:08] sebest: we don't want to divert from upstream too much, but in case we have a majority of users complaining, ... [01:08] sebest: you think the announcement text is alright? [01:08] ' \sh: do you know what package the run-command (alt-f2) belongs to? [01:08] \sh: Message->Redirect [01:08] sistpoty, gnome-panel afaik [01:09] ogra: in kde actually ;) [01:09] heh [01:09] kde-panel ? *g* [01:09] sistpoty: kdesktop iirc [01:09] sorry, that's the program.. [01:09] hm [01:10] ok, looks like it's the package name too :) [01:10] <\sh> torkel: yeah...but not 20 of them...this is not possible somehow [01:10] \sh: use mutt ;) [01:10] <\sh> oh shit [01:10] <\sh> oh shit [01:10] <\sh> moderated list [01:10] oh shit ? [01:11] <\sh> and I pushed now >10 mails towards [01:11] you realised that your life has been wasted & you have to switch back to GNOME? [01:11] *g* [01:11] <\sh> ajmitch: no..kmail is much more usable then evolution today [01:11] hide [01:11] woohoo, another kmail user out there... i thought i was the only one *g* === tseng wonders where mythplugins is [01:12] it built [01:12] \sh, Riddell: does the mail thing work now? [01:12] <\sh> sistpoty: well...actually I'm trying to live with evolution [01:12] binary NEW [01:13] oh [01:13] \sh, Riddell: did you get some mails from malone already? [01:13] <\sh> Von: Daniel Holbach via Malone <968@bugs.launchpad.net> [01:13] <\sh> Antwort an: Daniel Holbach via Malone <968@bugs.launchpad.net> [01:13] <\sh> An: kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com [01:13] <\sh> Betreff: [Bug 968] File conflicts during upgrade [01:13] <\sh> yes [01:13] right :) [01:13] dholbach: plenty === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:16] dholbach, spammer :p [01:21] <\sh> I love my cyrus imapd with sieve [01:21] yeah :) === Gervystar [n=gervysta@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:26] dholbach, about the announcement, i think it's fine, but maybe it's just me but the limit between things related to desktop and things related to ubuntu is not clear, because i think that for a lot of people ubuntu is the desktop, for example does things like exa, looking glass, xgl, belongs to goals of the desktop team? [01:27] sebest: that's a valid question - i think that's something we should discuss in there [01:27] sebest: announcement? [01:28] yes, i think we should try to clarify our perimeter [01:28] ajmitch: the annoucement of the ubuntu desktop team [01:28] ah [01:28] sebest: we should have a meeting within dapper release cycle to clarify this === ajmitch must have missed that one :) [01:28] ajmitch: it's not out yet [01:29] Riddell, \sh: done [01:29] <\sh> dholbach: zjx [01:29] <\sh> aeh thx [01:30] de rien [01:31] dholbach: thanks === StoneTable [n=stone@c-24-14-85-48.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:57] dholbach: still here? === doko_ [n=doko@dsl-084-059-098-153.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PlanarPlatypus [n=alucard@cpc3-cove3-5-1-cust39.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-83-29.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko__ [n=doko@dsl-084-059-099-236.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@d149-67-171-99.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=jamie@220-245-18-231.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvelocity [n=tony@ipa112.2.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thesaltydog [n=yoshi@host194-61.pool8023.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jamessan|work [n=jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:08] does canonical host archive.ubuntu.com on their own, or is it a round-robin mirror system? [03:09] its a single host [03:09] ack [03:09] in the UK data center [03:09] there are many unofficial mirrors [03:09] means single connection, which I assume they pay for themselves [03:09] not cheap :( [03:09] canonical has millions of dollars in the budget [03:09] I suppose [03:09] dont worry yourself too much about it. [03:10] still doesn't make the bandwidth any cheaper ;) [03:12] havoc: you want to host a mirror? ;) [03:12] siretart: would if I could [03:13] I was just curious [03:13] I imaging that as ubuntu grows in popularity it will have to be mirrored [03:14] I want an ubuntu mirror at mirror.cs.wisc.edu :) === bddebian [n=bddebian@user216-178-65-218.netcarrier.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:22] Heya gang [03:25] Anyone feel like doing me a quick test? [03:25] havoc: there are <..>.archive.ubuntu.com [03:25] havoc: de.archive.ubuntu.com != us.archive.ubuntu.com, e.g. [03:25] hi bddebian [03:25] Heya siretart [03:25] siretart: ah, so it's not all on a single amchine [03:25] no [03:25] that makes more sense :)\ [03:27] havoc: those CC.a.u.c that haven't applied for being THE mirror for that country points to archive.ubuntu.com :-). [03:27] ok, time for meeting, bbl [03:28] bddebian: what quick test? how quick? [03:28] hmm, CC is tomorrow. what meeting then? :-P [03:29] siretart: Just install wings3d and start it from a command line and see if it pukes on libsdl-erlang === dereks_ [n=dereks@66.9.7.66] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:34] bddebian: so, no breezy at hand atm [03:34] sorry [03:34] siretart: NP, thx [03:37] "Nobody loves me, everybody hates me, I'm gonna eat some worms" :'-( [03:37] ;-P === Yagisan [n=jamie@220-245-18-231.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mitsuhiko [n=blackbir@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487FCB5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === izaac [n=izaac@201.155.230.30] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:16] Hey WTF is up with you MOTU types? It's been too damn quiet in here lately :-) === j^ [n=j@e178051136.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:22] bddebian: they've tired themselves out fixing bugs. perhaps we should poke a few of them awake [04:23] Yagisan: Aye ;-) === markuman [n=markuman@p50927DDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-83-29.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:24] bddebian: so whats up ? I'm having a shit of a day myself. I've had two pc's break [04:24] Yuck. :-( [04:24] I'm at "work" ;-) [04:24] I'm always at work === AstralJava [n=jaska@83.102.38.17] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:25] either I'm fixing the customers systems - or I'm fixing mine [04:25] brb - baby [04:25] Heh [04:27] re :) [04:27] wb dholbach [04:32] bddebian: how was kimdaba? [04:32] Riddell: I'm waiting for sync from elmo :-) [04:32] Riddell: I meant to ask you why you dropped kdelibs4 from the existing package though? [04:34] bddebian: the only good thing that happened today was the email confirming the updated prelink packages for hoary [04:35] Ah :-) [04:35] dholbach: sabdfl just said he thinks we should bring in babytrans-common and ffmpeg2 if we "can". === bddebian doesn't do licensing crap [04:35] yeah [04:35] license-wise [04:36] mjg59 and elmo are experts there [04:36] Grrr :-) === bddebian thought dholbach was expert on EVERYTHING ;-) [04:36] bddebian: far from it [04:37] dholbach: If you ever get a sec I'd like to talk to you privately [04:37] sure [04:37] Now? [04:38] bddebian: because build-dep shouldn't use kdelibs4, it should use kdelibs4-dev [04:38] bddebian: yeah [04:38] bddebian: and that broke when kdelibs4 changed to kdelibs4c2 [04:39] Riddell: Ohh, I missed that part ;-) [04:39] bddebian: so did the debian packager :) [04:42] Riddell: Well the sync just came in so we'll see if I missed it in the sync too :-( [04:43] "Build-depends cleanup. Thanks to Ubuntu developer Jonathan Riddell" hopefully that means he included my change [04:44] Aye :-) === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abarbaccia [n=abarbacc@69-162-20-65.stcgpa.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === j^ [n=j@gw.bootlab.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio- [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:32] Can anyone with a current breezy setup do me a quick test??? [05:35] bddebian: I have a chroot? [05:35] bddebian: can it help? [05:35] If it can do X :-) [05:37] bddebian: it can [05:38] sivang: Awesome, could you just install wings3d and start it from a terminal and see if you get an error on sdl_driver.so? [05:39] bddebian: i'll do it too [05:39] bddebian: in progress [05:39] bddebian: ETA 8Minutes [05:39] 2 [05:40] dholbach: Thx. It should be pulling the latest libsdl-erlang I uploaded last night (ubuntu1 version) [05:40] it did [05:40] Did it work? [05:40] just a sec [05:41] Oh sorry [05:41] dholbach: how do you have such a quick network connection? [05:41] The following NEW packages will be installed: [05:41] erlang erlang-base libsdl-erlang tcl8.4 tk8.4 wings3d [05:41] bddebian: okay? [05:41] sivang: That should be fine, but libsdl-erlang should be x.x.x-xubuntu1 ;-) [05:42] sivang: i'm quite happy the download is quite fast on my new connection [05:42] sivang: the upload unfortunately isnt [05:44] oh whee [05:44] a nice one, [05:44] http://live.gnome.org/JhbuildOnUbuntu [05:44] bddebian: hmm, [05:44] =ERROR REPORT==== 26-Sep-2005::15:44:00 === [05:44] Error in process <0.31.0> with exit value: {"No suitable OpenGL mode found (are OpenGL drivers installed?)",[{wings_init,video_mode_failure,0},{wings_init,init,0},{wings,init,1}] } [05:44] dholbach: how much downstream? [05:44] 450K/s [05:45] sivang: Hmm, that's new :-) [05:46]