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gandhi I did a test of my first screentutorial on KEduca with edubuntu. Could someone plese test video? http://www.freesmug.org/usex/index.php?/archives/16-KEduca-ScreenTutorial-TEST.html12:59
gandThanks in advance01:01
rejdengand, .avi works01:09
gandare you on ubuntu?01:09
rejdenyep01:10
gandwhat player are you using?01:10
rejdenmplayer + w32codecs01:10
rejdenplaying in mozilla-mplayer plugin01:10
gandnice, does works also h264?01:11
rejdengand, with what you made the video?01:11
rejdensecond i check01:11
gandlittle bit complicate :)01:11
rejdenhehe, the h264 works but every 2-3seconds something blink at the top01:12
gandnice to know, are you on x86?01:12
gandanimation don't work?01:13
rejdenyes x8601:13
gandMy edubuntu is on PPC so the only free screenreconrder (Xvidcap and istanbul) dont' work01:13
rejdenit works, but during playing something blinks at the top of the screen01:13
rejdeni mean at the top side of video01:14
gandyou mean "animation" have the same problem of H264?01:14
gandnext step I'll add audio, and changing language I can do in italiand and in english01:17
gandI mean changing system GUI language :)01:17
gandthanks a lot rejeden, 1.20 am here, I go to sleep01:19
rejdensame time here, sleep well01:27
rejdeni'm going to discover more of quanta plus01:27
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john_bhello, anyone got some edubuntu specific links on sound they can point me too?05:49
john_bspecificly looking for info on sound on terminals05:50
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shagaI didn't use workstation-install for this workstation. was that important?07:17
shagaand good morning all :)07:17
jsgotangcowell you installed ltsp and dhcp07:18
jsgotangcohehe07:19
shagaokay, so no problem then :)07:23
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unimatrix9hi theer09:38
unimatrix9you are not making live cd's? of edubuntu?09:38
unimatrix9or planning to make one...09:38
unimatrix9?)09:38
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jsgotangcohi all12:12
shagahello12:13
jsgotangcoJaneW: our docs are ready for packaging/uploading12:14
JaneWWooHOO12:14
jsgotangcome and jbailey have been slaving over it this morning and we got some stuff uploaded12:15
jsgotangcojust let me fix the remaining stuff and its ready by tommorow12:15
shagawhynot make www.ubuntuguide.org official and add as a homepage for new ubuntu-installs?12:15
jsgotangcoshaga: we have that for 5.1012:16
jsgotangcobut removed the crack12:16
shagaoh12:16
ograshaga, because ubuntuguideis a mess...12:16
jsgotangcoshaga: we made an faq but made sure its not as crackful as ubuntuguide.org itself12:17
shagasounds great, what about adding opera to sources now that is free?12:17
jsgotangcodefine free12:17
jsgotangcoit can be added into multiverse why not12:18
shagait's not open source, but least it doesn't have advertises and it doesn't pay anything..12:18
shagamultiverse sounds more reasonable12:19
jsgotangcoopera isn't difficult to install really12:19
shagafor it12:19
shagait's not, but it's very common browser for older machines so that's why I thought it..12:19
shagastating firefox takes about 15seconds on this computer and for opera, the time is only under one second12:19
shagas/stating/starting12:20
ograjsgotangco, does it have a free distribution license for third partys (re: multiverse) ?12:20
jsgotangcoogra: probably, PC-BSD has a PBI for it12:20
ograi dont think youre allowed to redistribute it without explicit permission12:20
jsgotangcoim actually on bsd at the moment and using it12:20
jsgotangcohttp://www.pbidir.com/packages.php?code=5912:21
jsgotangcoso yeah i guess 3rd parties can redistribute it12:21
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ograLicense:  Commercial 12:22
ogra*shug*12:22
ograwe probably should just ask them :)12:22
shaga:)12:23
jsgotangcoyeah12:23
jsgotangcothe whole opera thing became  free because of google funding12:23
magnonOpera wouldn't be very appropriate for Ubuntu and at least not Edubuntu12:23
jsgotangcofree as in no pay12:23
magnonit shows advertising12:23
ogramagnon, in multiverse 12:23
ograit doesnt12:23
magnonsince when?12:23
jsgotangcomagnon: it doesn't anymore12:23
ograthey freed it12:23
magnonit used to12:23
magnonah well12:23
ograsince the latest release12:24
shagathat's the day I started using it everywhere12:24
jsgotangcomagnon: similar to the deal with themozilla foundation on firefox12:24
magnonI never liked Opera that much anyway12:24
ograbut some people do... and we want to do everything that the user doesnt need to edit his sources.list :)12:25
shagaI like how opera has "real back" function12:25
ograso getting it into multiverse is a goodplan12:25
shagait doesn't reload the page and goes right into same spot, loads the page from the cache12:26
shagaand it's faster(lightweight), those are my main reasons..12:26
jsgotangcoi actually like it12:27
magnonogra: sure, I thought it still had advertising12:27
magnonbut to me it's just another browser that does things a little bit incorrect in another way that firefox does things a little bit incorrect12:28
jsgotangcoi know some devels actually use it12:28
JaneWjsgotangco: thanks for your hard work on the docs.12:29
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ograthe only thing i dont like about it since the ads are gone it that it uses QT ;)12:29
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jsgotangcoJaneW: look where? we just uploaded it12:29
JaneWjsgotangco: not linked in Edubuntu Docs?12:29
jsgotangconot yet12:29
jsgotangcoogra: are you going to include ubuntu-docs in the package?12:29
ogradepends on the size...12:30
jsgotangcoproably a meg12:30
ograpowerpc is at 704 MB...12:30
jsgotangcoouch it overflowed12:30
ograi'm not sure when it explodes12:30
JaneWjsgotangco: oic12:30
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ogranot yet12:30
shaga800 MB cds rocks :)12:30
jsgotangcoJaneW: give me a day or two12:30
jsgotangcoAbout Edubuntu is already done12:31
ograbut its near the edge and i havent looked what i can drop additionally from ppc12:31
JaneWjsgotangco: oh alright ;)12:31
jsgotangcowe've tested the package today12:31
jsgotangcofixing the entities are a pain so we're fixing our svn as well12:31
ograi probably wont be able to do anything edubuntu related this week anyway... my highest proi task is still xss12:31
ograso take your time12:31
jsgotangcoogra: sure take your time12:32
ograheh12:32
jsgotangcoi can have JaneW test the package tommorow12:32
jsgotangcoheh12:32
JaneWok12:37
JaneWit's a bit chaotic here, because Mark is here, and as a local celeb things are a bit manic12:38
ogralol12:38
ograhey, isnt it his own office ? 12:39
ograemployees should be used to their boss *g*12:39
jsgotangcoheh12:39
jsgotangcohow influential is mark to the overall SA scene?12:39
jsgotangcoVERY?12:39
ograsure :)12:39
JaneWjsgotangco: yes very12:46
JaneWjsgotangco: he couldn't walk down the street without being stopped12:47
jsgotangcowow12:47
shaga:)12:47
JaneWogra: it;s not the employees that are the problem is the other people, and all the hype that is here12:47
shagaso whos he then?12:47
jsgotangcoso he has bodyguards when in SA?12:47
JaneWjsgotangco: I don;t think so, I think he just keeps a low profile12:47
jsgotangcoJaneW: that's nice to know12:47
jsgotangcobut his face is very familar nowadays so...12:48
JaneWjsgotangco: I would say that the list of well known SA celebs includes Madiba, Charlize and Mark...12:48
jsgotangcommm charlize12:49
JaneWogra: I asked about CDs12:50
ograadn ? 12:50
ograand12:50
jsgotangcoany luck?12:50
JaneWogra: new answer is we can make a few hundred, and we have to arrange it ourselves12:50
jsgotangcoarrange what?12:50
JaneWogra: still don;t know what to do about packaging...12:50
ograok... lets do it post release then12:50
jsgotangcoyeah12:51
JaneWogra: yes, let's get through the release and then try to make a plan12:51
JaneWat least it is something12:51
ograa simple paper hardcover should be enough...12:51
ogralike kubuntu has them12:51
jsgotangcowho did that? amu?12:51
jsgotangcoor riddel12:51
shagamasochists gui=kde :D12:53
jsgotangcoshaga: shhhh12:53
shaga;)12:53
jsgotangcoi remember ogra giving me dagger looks during udu because i was using kde12:53
jsgotangcohehe12:53
ogra;)12:53
shagahehe12:54
shaganot for nothing tho, heh12:54
JaneWogra: I haven't actually seen a Kubuntu CD12:58
jsgotangcoits a blue disc with the 3 dragons12:58
JaneWjsgotangco: is there an image somewhere?12:58
jsgotangcohmmmm12:58
shagadragons, wow!12:59
shagathey shouldn't be cute tho 01:01
jsgotangcolet me find that01:03
jsgotangcohmmm01:03
jsgotangcoi couldn't find it01:04
jsgotangcoi'll just brb later and have dinner first01:04
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Zaheerhello :)01:57
Zaheerwhat version of ubuntu is edubuntu based on?01:57
Zaheerwell the preview at least01:57
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ograon the preview indeed :)01:59
Zaheersorry i see now its 5.1002:00
Zaheermy bad02:00
Zaheerthats breezy right?02:00
shagayap02:00
ograZaheer, a daily edubuntu is always identical with a breezy daily... (modulo the edubuntu addons)02:01
Zaheercool cause i wanted to DL breezy... would be abit silly if i already have edubuntu :D02:02
ograyup02:03
ograto install breezy from the CD, do a "server" install and just put ubuntu-desktop on top ;) 02:04
Zaheeris there anything specific that i can help with?02:04
ogratesting,testing, testing...02:04
ografind the evil bugs ;)02:04
Zaheer:D  i found one y/day with the terminal server client.02:05
ograone thats not known yet ? 02:07
Zaheerdunno... where do i check?02:07
ograbugzilla, look for ltsp02:07
ograyou could also describe it, i know all known ltsp bugs ;)02:08
Zaheerok firstly i installed edubuntu as a workstation,i can terminal serve to windows pc but when i close it down with the little "x" i get an error message.02:11
Zaheergive me 5 secs to get the extact message for.02:11
ograthe workstation version has no ltsp functions at all02:11
Zaheerits not ltsp it the actuall terminal server client that comes with edubuntu.02:12
ograerr, what else ? 02:12
Zaheerok the message : "NOT IMPLEMENTED : System pointer message 0xf00"02:13
Zaheermouse related i think02:13
ograno idea what you are using there ? 02:13
ograwhat is that what you use as client ?02:14
Zaheeri get to the application by clicking on the following menus Applications -> Internet -> Terminal Server Client02:15
ograahhhh02:15
Zaheer:)02:16
ograok, that has nothing to do with edubuntu02:16
Zaheeroh ok.02:16
ografile a bug in bugzilla agains tsclient so we can get it fixed in ubuntu ;)02:16
Zaheerokie dokie :D02:20
Zaheerwhats the address to post bugs?02:27
JaneWhttps://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/02:29
Zaheerthanks02:31
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wmaulikogra: hi olliver, you here?03:05
wmaulikthis is jelkner writing as one of my students03:06
wmaulikanybody here?03:07
wmaulikJaneW: hi Jane, are you here?03:07
JaneWwmaulik: hello, yes03:07
JaneWwmaulik:  hi Jeff03:07
ograwmaulik, soryy, give me a minute... i'm afk for a moment03:07
wmaulikhere is the situation with which i need help03:08
wmaulikwe have encountered a bug in edubuntu03:09
wmaulikand we wanted to report it03:09
wmaulikWritesh, the student i am loggin in as, volunteered to report the bug himself03:10
wmaulikwhich i thought was great03:10
wmaulikso he created a launchpad account03:10
JaneW https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/03:10
JaneWgreat03:10
wmaulikwe want to use malone03:10
wmaulikif that is ok03:10
JaneWthink so...03:10
wmauliki don't want too many different ways to do things03:10
wmauliklaunchpad is looking better all the time03:10
JaneWI think they are running in parallel atm03:10
JaneWnod03:10
wmauliki call it "software development for human beings" ;-)03:11
ograwmaulik, please use buzilla, malone is only for universe packges03:11
ogranobody of the main devs looks in launchpad yet03:12
wmaulikogra: when will that change?03:12
wmaulikit is not the best situation03:12
wmauliki want to grow the edubuntu users, testers, etc group03:13
ograif malone is ready its lacking a lot of features03:13
wmaulikand encourage people to report bugs03:13
wmaulikmost new users don't know whether something is in universe or not03:13
wmaulikand they shouldn't have to03:13
ograbut i suspect sabdfl will force us to use it for main after release03:13
ograeverything installed in edubuntu is in main03:14
wmaulikok03:14
ograonly stuff you installed additionally can be from niverse03:14
wmaulikif Writesh created a launchpad account, can he use bugzilla?03:14
ograi'm not sure if they already work together this deep.... try it03:15
wmaulikok, i've gotta run03:18
ograbye and thanks...03:18
wmaulikwritesh left already to go to his next class03:18
wmauliknow i've got to teach mine ;-)03:18
ogra:)03:18
wmaulikwe'll try bugzilla tomorrow03:18
ograok03:19
wmaulikbut i have to say that if it is easy we can to these things03:19
wmaulikif it is not we can't03:19
wmaulikthanks!03:19
wmaulikbye03:19
ograthen mail me about the bugs03:19
wmaulikok, thanks03:19
ograso i can forward them to bugzilla to assign them the right people03:19
JaneWsigh03:30
JaneWdo flint or jelkner ever stay for longer than 10 mins?03:30
Zaheerhighvoltage - why so quiet :)03:40
highvoltageZaheer: very busy :)03:46
JaneWhighvoltage: watching idols *duck*03:55
highvoltageJaneW: i wasn't *really* watching, I just came buy because vicki said we must :)04:01
JaneWhighvoltage: nod, I was also only there for 5 mins or so...04:05
JaneWhighvoltage: it's too cold to stand out there for long04:05
highvoltageyep. my word i'm tired. i ordered an dsl line from telkom today. took 45 mins.04:06
highvoltagethe wireless connection in my area is just too dodgy.04:06
JaneWhighvoltage: pity, but our ADSL ahs been good, except for the intl problems, but that had nothing to do with ADSL...04:07
highvoltagei think adsl is the best option locally. they just didn't have it in my area when i moved there (telkom didn't even have phone lines there).04:08
highvoltageZaheer: so, how are things?04:09
JaneWhighvoltage: where do you live? in the karoo? ;)04:11
highvoltagehehe. new area just outside bellville and kuils river (next to bottelary).04:12
JaneWhighvoltage: ok, I got married near there (one of the wine farms)04:15
highvoltagewhere do you live at the moment?04:15
JaneWRondebosch04:15
Zaheercool man, looking forward to sysadmin classes starting ;)04:16
Zaheerany word on the venue yet?04:16
JaneWZaheer: lol, I read that as SysAdmin clashes - I thought there was a battle of the SysAdmins or something ;)04:16
Zaheerhe he :D04:17
highvoltageZaheer: it's at pentech. i'm getting the maps tomorrow, will forward on.04:17
Zaheerim glad to see there a quite a few cape townians around :)04:18
highvoltageZaheer: ah, so you know who i am now ;)04:18
Zaheeryes i do :D .. you had me worried for a while!04:18
Zaheerhow'd you know it was me tho' or did you take a guess?04:19
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Zaheerorgra : posted the bug in bugzilla, thanks :)04:26
highvoltageZaheer: you use telkom adsl, so i know you're local, and the zahedoll kind of gave it away.04:26
Zaheeraaahhh cunning!!!  i didnt even see that.04:27
highvoltageok. bye!05:01
Zaheeranyways guys have a good one! see ya05:07
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ograhi05:13
gilvhi05:13
ogragilv, so if you got any questions regarding edubuntu feel free to ask anytime :)05:14
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JessicaX^Heya10:35
JessicaX^Been a while since i was in here10:35
JessicaX^How is everything10:35
JessicaX^Like the new logo, btw10:36
JessicaX^By the way ; are the projects under way.. or still in planning?10:37
shagaI installed just hoary-server, upgraded to hoary, then added edubuntu-desktop10:38
shagasmooth as silk ;)10:38
JessicaX^eh?10:39
shagas/second hoary/breezy10:40
shagaI think they are doing fine with edubuntu10:40
shagaat least from the looks10:40
JessicaX^Eh?????10:40
JessicaX^I didnt say they weren't10:41
JessicaX^o.O10:41
shagayou asked how is everything10:41
shagaI just said that seems fine for them ;)10:41
shagadon't pick on my words so easily :)10:41
JessicaX^I wasn't10:41
shagahehe10:41
JessicaX^I was just wondering what the hell you're talking about oOl10:41
JessicaX^Projects as in10:42
JessicaX^"what WILL be in edubuntu"10:42
JessicaX^" What's going to be in Edubuntu?"10:42
shagaat least gnome-screensaver instead of x-s-s :p10:42
ogranooo10:42
shagahuh10:42
ograit was dropped a week ago10:42
JessicaX^ehh?10:42
JessicaX^did i say xss?10:43
ogra(sorry i'm in a meeting)10:43
JessicaX^*thin air picking*10:43
shagaI'll just stay quiet :D10:43
JessicaX^I dont know what the hell you're talkjing about XD10:43
JessicaX^I said10:43
JessicaX^"What projects"10:43
JessicaX^And you're like ; "YA IM USING GNOME-SCREENSAVER"10:43
JessicaX^o__O10:44
JessicaX^"Nice Day today eh!"10:44
JessicaX^"Yeah, i like banana boats"10:44
shaga*sights*10:45
ograJessicaX^, kdeedu, gcompris, schooltool, the new and shiny ltsp classroom server we developed, moodle (hopefully, its currently a bit buggy)10:46
JessicaX^sounds nice10:46
ogracoulorful artwork and icons...10:46
JessicaX^Still using GNOME, right?10:46
ograyup10:47
ograbut with kde bits...10:47
ograkdeedu has no counterpart on the gnome side yet10:47
JessicaX^iono, i tried using kubuntu10:49
JessicaX^After ubuntu10:49
JessicaX^and kubuntu ran faster10:49
JessicaX^o.O10:49
ograi never tried kubuntu...10:50
ogra:)10:50
ograbut i was told by several people that kde is a lot slower via ltsp... which is our main app...10:51
JessicaX^Hmm10:51
JessicaX^Yeah, but iono10:51
ograi'll test that for next release10:51
JessicaX^I think KDE looks more unified.. I dont like Epiphany10:51
ograi dont like KDE ;)10:51
JessicaX^Obviously10:51
JessicaX^:P10:51
ograway to cluttered10:51
JessicaX^Well, it is out of the box10:52
JessicaX^But gnome is completely the opposite10:52
JessicaX^Nice to get up and running, but iono10:52
ogragnome is totally out of te box :)10:52
JessicaX^o_O10:52
ograbut we could discuss that endless... lets drop it10:52
JessicaX^I know, i know10:53
ograand i have to attend the meeting in #ubuntu-meeting :)10:53
JessicaX^:P10:53
JessicaX^you should use TuX :)10:53
JessicaX^Very sexy indeed10:53
ogra??10:53
JessicaX^Kernel HTTPd10:53
ograyes, but why ? people are familiar with apache :)10:54
magnonkernelspace httpd makes me shudder10:55
JessicaX^:D10:55
JessicaX^Put IIS on there then ;)10:55
JessicaX^Some schools in UK kiss that 10:55
shagahehe10:55
JessicaX^TuX uses Apache as a secondary webserver10:56
magnonagain10:56
magnonwhy, when you have apache?10:56
magnonthe whole concept of putting http serving in kernel land is crazy10:56
JessicaX^Not really10:56
magnonif you say so. ;)10:56
JessicaX^Apache is nice, but there are HTTPd's that are faster than it10:57
JessicaX^Well, i do ;)10:57
JessicaX^Ask Igno Molnar why he made one10:57
JessicaX^remember him? :P10:57
JessicaX^Ingo :/10:57
magnonyes.10:57
ogradid he run it on a ltsp server with 25 thin clients that started openpffice simultaiously ? 10:57
JessicaX^ Ingo Molnar has been contributing to Linux kernel development since 1995 with an impressive list of accomplishments. Most recently his O(1) scheduler was merged into the 2.5 development kernel10:58
JessicaX^Not that i recall10:58
JessicaX^But that scheduler is uber clever10:58
magnonjust because I love his scheduler doesn't mean that I like kernelspace http-serving10:58
JessicaX^:P10:58
JessicaX^Have you used it?10:59
magnonI tried it a long time ago10:59
magnonand never touched it again10:59
magnonit scares me10:59
shaga:D10:59
JessicaX^:P10:59
JessicaX^I love it10:59
shagacouldn't live without it I assume? ;)11:00
JessicaX^Not really11:00
JessicaX^It's good11:00
JessicaX^but not that good11:00
JessicaX^Linux yes, that no11:00
shaga:)11:01
JessicaX^Hmm, would i be able to make a KDE based version of edubuntu?11:02
JessicaX^Or a strictly dinge-o-rama ? :/11:02
JessicaX^Also magnon11:03
JessicaX^http://slashdot.org/articles/00/07/20/1440204.shtml11:03
JessicaX^Enjoy :)11:03
shagayou are a fan or something?11:04
shaga:D11:04
JessicaX^I like clever things :)11:05
shagahehe11:05
shagaperhaps too clever? ;)11:06
JessicaX^Not really11:06
JessicaX^I modify everything 11:06
JessicaX^To exactly how i like it11:06
shagaagreed11:06
JessicaX^And then, once i've played, i look at what everyone else wants, strike a compromise, make it, sell and be happy11:06
magnonit's really not that clever.11:10
magnonit's putting something in kernel-land that SHOULD NOT be there11:11
magnonbetter when it works pretty close to that from the start :P11:11
JessicaX^Rofl11:11
JessicaX^Nah11:11
JessicaX^Kernel land :P11:11
shagaI agree with magnon about kernel land11:11
shaga:p11:11
JessicaX^It handles file transfers anyway, why should it be coupled with that which handles files11:12
shagawhy to implement?11:12
shagaI don't see any reasons11:12
JessicaX^I agree with the creator, tbh11:13
JessicaX^" The biggest advantage i see is to have encapsulation, security and performance available to dynamic web applications *at the same time*"11:13
magnonsecurity + kernel land just doesn't fit normal security theory for me11:22
JessicaX^:P11:22
shaga:D11:22
JessicaX^So, the kernel is insecure?11:22
shagaI love that "kernel land"11:22
shagaby browsing files on the web through kernel he meant I think11:23
JessicaX^Not really11:23
shagait's too close to the core11:23
JessicaX^HTTPd isnt about browsing11:23
shagadamned, not too close, it's in the core11:23
shaganope, not really.. but you got my point I assume?11:23
JessicaX^Yeah11:23
magnonJessicaX^: it just means that if there first is a security breach, it's more fatal11:25
JessicaX^But then again, if you got breached with apache running as root, then you'd have the same level of problems11:27
JessicaX^The worst they can do is really lock you out or format everything11:27
magnonthen why not run a lightweight http server in user land? :)11:27
shagafatal.. I'd call it devastating11:27
shaga:p11:28
JessicaX^:P11:28
JessicaX^Like i say11:28
JessicaX^If you code securely11:28
magnon...there will always be a bug.11:28
JessicaX^So, the same of edubuntu, then11:29
JessicaX^Or is that exempt of these criticisms11:29
JessicaX^?11:29
shagayeah, everybody always try to code securely.. but even in the mouse cursor in windows, there is bug with security flaws :D11:29
JessicaX^You're using windows as an example o.O11:29
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shagaI just used as an example for a bug, it's good base for flaws :D11:30
JessicaX^lol Usually, it's like "even the best can have problems" 11:30
JessicaX^Not11:30
JessicaX^"windows has problems"11:30
JessicaX^:P11:30
shagahehe, yeah11:30
JessicaX^Well, i'm building a distro up right now11:31
JessicaX^:/11:31
shagaI use most extraordinary ways to use examples11:31
shagapeople are always laughing at me about it :)11:31
JessicaX^Heh11:31
JessicaX^I never use windows as a good example11:31
shagaI used as a worst11:31
JessicaX^Also - does edubuntu have a page for schools perhaps wanting to change to Linux? eg - benefits?11:31
JessicaX^If not, i could make one, i used to have to do presentations along the same lines all the time11:32
ograJessicaX^, we have a wiki, feel free to make a page :)11:32
JessicaX^err11:32
JessicaX^I'll type it as a document11:32
magnonogra: do we have anything _else_ than a wiki? ;)O11:32
ograwe'll have a website before release... 11:33
JessicaX^Well, i could make a website for you11:33
JessicaX^I'm not brilliant with designs, but i "inspire" myself off template sites ;)11:33
ograand a plone cms was planned, but i'm not sure highvoltage has come around to do it in time11:33
JessicaX^Or with HTML or CSS o.O11:33
JessicaX^I can make it in Drupal11:34
ogra*shudder11:34
magnoneek11:34
JessicaX^Oh geezus11:34
ograi'd like to avoid php11:34
magnonI think ubuntu has some good infrastructure already11:34
JessicaX^You don't like drupal? :/11:34
JessicaX^rofl isnt Moodle PHP11:34
JessicaX^;)11:34
ograi dont like php11:34
JessicaX^you don't like much11:34
JessicaX^:/11:34
magnonogra: as long as it's php5, I'd be fine11:34
ograi dont use moodle, i just listened to our users ;)11:34
JessicaX^It is php511:34
JessicaX^ogra11:35
JessicaX^Thank geebus for that11:35
JessicaX^Otherwise it'11:35
magnonit isn't started up as php511:35
JessicaX^it would probably be just a non-graphical boot11:35
JessicaX^:/11:35
ograand i build a distro, i#m not the guy who does the web stuff... only a poor developer builing a CD here :)11:35
JessicaX^I like skirts, and shopping, but it doesnt mean everyone else does11:35
JessicaX^:P11:35
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JessicaX^I wear them =)11:36
shagaI love skirts on girls as well11:36
JessicaX^but, like i say11:36
magnonpff, girls are overrated11:36
ogralol11:36
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shagatime for some pizza and the 4400 episode11:37
JessicaX^I like pink and girly stuff, and there's stuff i know i like, but it doesnt mean everyone else will love them because i do11:37
shaga:D11:37
shagapink11:37
shagashe said pink11:37
JessicaX^hint hint hint11:37
magnonand that does NOT mean edubuntu should have a default pink theme11:37
shagaanyway, off I go :) 11:37
JessicaX^Didnt say it should11:37
ograJessicaX^, we have a server infrastructure where everything is python based already... everything else generates extra effort...11:37
JessicaX^Go with the flow of the people ;)11:38
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JessicaX^Just saying, every school i spoke to - chose KDE11:38
ograadding php stuff would mean we'd need extra servers etc11:38
JessicaX^Not really, i would have hosted it11:38
JessicaX^But i cant be bothered now you've ranted :P11:38
ograwe'd like to hots it in our datacenter :)11:38
JessicaX^Congrats11:39
ograand the decision for gnome was not my personal decision we had a 4 day summit with lots of people and discussed apps and stuff to an end11:39
magnongnome was a very wise decision11:39
JessicaX^:)11:39
JessicaX^Sure sure11:39
magnonif it was KDE I'd be using fc or even nld and still be unhappy11:40
ograits simply that the support in ubuntu for gnome is bigger, we have a lot more developers wotrking on gnome stuff and only one for kde11:40
JessicaX^Well, thats fair enough11:40
ograedubuntu is 90% ubuntu...11:40
JessicaX^But, when i worked at doing this kinda thing for money11:40
ograi cant do everything alone ;)11:40
JessicaX^A lot of the schools we spoke to said KDE over Gnome, or other WM's11:41
ograthe demand for a "like ubuntu" system in africa and southamerica is very high... that includes gnome11:41
JessicaX^hm11:42
magnonJessicaX^: Oh, easy problem. "This is ubuntu, like it?" "yes" "ok."11:42
linescannerWe have the same here in the UK.  Most we have shown prefer KDE11:42
JessicaX^"this is ubuntu like it.. er.. well, actually" "tough shit"11:42
JessicaX^linescanner: I worked in the UK with it11:43
JessicaX^Even the LEA we spoke to said KDE just looked a lot cleaner than Gnome, and fluxbox11:43
magnonif you say "gnome is simple and streamlined, whereas kde has too much cruft", they'd choose gnome11:43
ograits no probem to install kde  in edubuntu its just not the default install...11:43
JessicaX^Not really11:43
magnonso it's a matter of how you say it :P11:43
JessicaX^We didnt force KDE11:43
linescannerWhich LEA ?11:43
JessicaX^Thats just absolutely the most idiotic thing possible11:43
JessicaX^The North Yorkshire, and the Cheshire11:44
linescannerDid you get anywhere with them ?11:44
magnonI force GNOME and can't see anything wrong with it11:44
magnonsince it's what I support. :P11:44
JessicaX^Forcing is retarded11:44
magnonno11:44
JessicaX^I didnt force, i let them choose11:44
ograwe too11:44
magnonchoosing a stable system that you can support is nonretarded11:44
magnongiving too many options which creates more work for _you_ in the end, is retarded.11:44
JessicaX^You dont go to a school and say YOU HAVE TO HAVE UBUNTU or we wont support you11:44
ograand since the summit was in london, there were a lot british teachers :)11:45
JessicaX^Like it or not , it's similar to what Microsoft does11:45
magnonwell, actually, we do11:45
JessicaX^Not really11:45
JessicaX^Because we could work with either11:45
magnonit's not, because they can always go wherever they want11:45
JessicaX^I didnt want to force them11:45
magnonI couldn't 11:45
magnonI know jack about KDE11:45
JessicaX^because it's their choice11:45
JessicaX^If they didnt want it, i didnt say "oh well, up yours"11:45
JessicaX^or "Oh, not KDE?? GRRR"11:46
magnonI would. :D11:46
JessicaX^Then you're an idiot11:46
magnonthanks11:46
JessicaX^With Schools, you have to give choice11:46
magnonwhy?11:46
magnonwhy more choice to them than to anyone else?11:46
JessicaX^Otherwise they just think you're trying to shove it down their throats11:46
linescannerThe desktop aint the issue though it is what you do with it11:46
magnonbecause THEY should sacrifice support over others?11:46
JessicaX^magnon11:46
ograJessicaX^, thast exactly what we did... we invited interested eachers of schools wanting to adopt edubuntu what ever it should be and followed their choices11:46
magnonare businesses more important?11:46
JessicaX^magnon11:46
JessicaX^What the hell are you talking about11:46
JessicaX^i'm on about the look and feel11:46
JessicaX^We had 4 laptops11:47
JessicaX^And we let them and CHILDREN11:47
JessicaX^from ages of 5 - 1611:47
JessicaX^Look around them11:47
magnonJessicaX^: that if you run support, you need to go with a system and support it the way YOU can, if you don't, you're going to use more resources on it, and that heightens prices.11:47
JessicaX^On gnome, even the LEA said as default it looks too dark11:47
JessicaX^well, like said11:47
JessicaX^I'd help with a KDE port of it11:47
linescannerJessicaX you working in schools still ?11:47
JessicaX^I think choice is important, otherwise we'd all be using windows11:48
JessicaX^linescanner, no i left11:48
JessicaX^But, i'm helping a friend re-start the business11:48
magnonah well, my business is external of schools and I work with both schools and SMBs11:48
magnonso, no choice.11:48
magnonthe choice is "find another vendor", which is entirely their choice, of course.11:48
JessicaX^But like i said, when we spoke with a phsychology lecturer11:49
JessicaX^And other related professionals11:49
linescannerJessicaX you seen what we do at Cutter ?11:49
JessicaX^they said about colour schemes, and how crucial they are to children of young ages11:49
JessicaX^Cutter?11:49
linescannerwww.cutterproject.co.uk11:49
JessicaX^I heard of that11:49
ograJessicaX^, have you even seen edubuntus gnome desktop yet ? 11:49
linescannerLinux thin client for schools11:49
JessicaX^There are no Screenshots from what i can see11:50
ogranope11:50
ograinstall it ;) 11:50
ograhelp testing ;) 11:50
JessicaX^Err11:50
ograwe'll release screenshots before release11:50
linescannerOgra: you get anywhere with the bootig issue ?11:50
linescannerbooting even11:51
ogralinescanner, the mptscsi stuff ? 11:51
linescannerno the thins looping at nfs11:51
JessicaX^Hehe, suse11:51
ogralinescanner, nope, some people are trying to track it now....11:52
JessicaX^Ahh, linescanner11:52
JessicaX^Good work on the cutter project11:52
JessicaX^:)_11:52
linescannerThanks11:52
JessicaX^I watch Working lunch sometimes11:53
JessicaX^:)11:53
linescannerCool.  The Deputy head there is turning into a media star :)11:54
JessicaX^downloading the coverage of it now :D11:54
linescannerwe are looking for more people to push it11:54
JessicaX^I'd be happy to help :)11:54
linescannerdrop me an email11:55
JessicaX^Sure11:55
JessicaX^i'd need the email :P11:55
linescannerandy.trevor@cutterproject.co.uk11:56
JessicaX^:) Okay, will do11:56
linescannermy priv is blocked at the mo11:57
JessicaX^Ah, righty11:57
JessicaX^Unregistred user?11:57
linescanneryeah, keep meaning to sort it out11:59
JessicaX^lol11:59
linescanner:)11:59
JessicaX^Can't wait to watch this :)11:59
JessicaX^I love it when linux gets mentioned on television11:59
linescannerogra: re mptscsi stuff I need to put some time aside this week to get some feed back to you guys12:00
linescannerJessicaX :)12:00
JessicaX^hm? :>12:00
ogralinescanner, try to get jbailey directly, we have other sun fire users, would be nice if that could be solved12:01
JessicaX^Holy mackkarel12:02
JessicaX^mackarel12:03
JessicaX^4000+ for Windows12:03
JessicaX^Geebus12:03
rejden*eeek*12:03

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