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| gand | hi I did a test of my first screentutorial on KEduca with edubuntu. Could someone plese test video? http://www.freesmug.org/usex/index.php?/archives/16-KEduca-ScreenTutorial-TEST.html | 12:59 |
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| gand | Thanks in advance | 01:01 |
| rejden | gand, .avi works | 01:09 |
| gand | are you on ubuntu? | 01:09 |
| rejden | yep | 01:10 |
| gand | what player are you using? | 01:10 |
| rejden | mplayer + w32codecs | 01:10 |
| rejden | playing in mozilla-mplayer plugin | 01:10 |
| gand | nice, does works also h264? | 01:11 |
| rejden | gand, with what you made the video? | 01:11 |
| rejden | second i check | 01:11 |
| gand | little bit complicate :) | 01:11 |
| rejden | hehe, the h264 works but every 2-3seconds something blink at the top | 01:12 |
| gand | nice to know, are you on x86? | 01:12 |
| gand | animation don't work? | 01:13 |
| rejden | yes x86 | 01:13 |
| gand | My edubuntu is on PPC so the only free screenreconrder (Xvidcap and istanbul) dont' work | 01:13 |
| rejden | it works, but during playing something blinks at the top of the screen | 01:13 |
| rejden | i mean at the top side of video | 01:14 |
| gand | you mean "animation" have the same problem of H264? | 01:14 |
| gand | next step I'll add audio, and changing language I can do in italiand and in english | 01:17 |
| gand | I mean changing system GUI language :) | 01:17 |
| gand | thanks a lot rejeden, 1.20 am here, I go to sleep | 01:19 |
| rejden | same time here, sleep well | 01:27 |
| rejden | i'm going to discover more of quanta plus | 01:27 |
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| john_b | hello, anyone got some edubuntu specific links on sound they can point me too? | 05:49 |
| john_b | specificly looking for info on sound on terminals | 05:50 |
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| shaga | I didn't use workstation-install for this workstation. was that important? | 07:17 |
| shaga | and good morning all :) | 07:17 |
| jsgotangco | well you installed ltsp and dhcp | 07:18 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 07:19 |
| shaga | okay, so no problem then :) | 07:23 |
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| unimatrix9 | hi theer | 09:38 |
| unimatrix9 | you are not making live cd's? of edubuntu? | 09:38 |
| unimatrix9 | or planning to make one... | 09:38 |
| unimatrix9 | ?) | 09:38 |
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| jsgotangco | hi all | 12:12 |
| shaga | hello | 12:13 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW: our docs are ready for packaging/uploading | 12:14 |
| JaneW | WooHOO | 12:14 |
| jsgotangco | me and jbailey have been slaving over it this morning and we got some stuff uploaded | 12:15 |
| jsgotangco | just let me fix the remaining stuff and its ready by tommorow | 12:15 |
| shaga | whynot make www.ubuntuguide.org official and add as a homepage for new ubuntu-installs? | 12:15 |
| jsgotangco | shaga: we have that for 5.10 | 12:16 |
| jsgotangco | but removed the crack | 12:16 |
| shaga | oh | 12:16 |
| ogra | shaga, because ubuntuguideis a mess... | 12:16 |
| jsgotangco | shaga: we made an faq but made sure its not as crackful as ubuntuguide.org itself | 12:17 |
| shaga | sounds great, what about adding opera to sources now that is free? | 12:17 |
| jsgotangco | define free | 12:17 |
| jsgotangco | it can be added into multiverse why not | 12:18 |
| shaga | it's not open source, but least it doesn't have advertises and it doesn't pay anything.. | 12:18 |
| shaga | multiverse sounds more reasonable | 12:19 |
| jsgotangco | opera isn't difficult to install really | 12:19 |
| shaga | for it | 12:19 |
| shaga | it's not, but it's very common browser for older machines so that's why I thought it.. | 12:19 |
| shaga | stating firefox takes about 15seconds on this computer and for opera, the time is only under one second | 12:19 |
| shaga | s/stating/starting | 12:20 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, does it have a free distribution license for third partys (re: multiverse) ? | 12:20 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: probably, PC-BSD has a PBI for it | 12:20 |
| ogra | i dont think youre allowed to redistribute it without explicit permission | 12:20 |
| jsgotangco | im actually on bsd at the moment and using it | 12:20 |
| jsgotangco | http://www.pbidir.com/packages.php?code=59 | 12:21 |
| jsgotangco | so yeah i guess 3rd parties can redistribute it | 12:21 |
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| ogra | License: Commercial | 12:22 |
| ogra | *shug* | 12:22 |
| ogra | we probably should just ask them :) | 12:22 |
| shaga | :) | 12:23 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 12:23 |
| jsgotangco | the whole opera thing became free because of google funding | 12:23 |
| magnon | Opera wouldn't be very appropriate for Ubuntu and at least not Edubuntu | 12:23 |
| jsgotangco | free as in no pay | 12:23 |
| magnon | it shows advertising | 12:23 |
| ogra | magnon, in multiverse | 12:23 |
| ogra | it doesnt | 12:23 |
| magnon | since when? | 12:23 |
| jsgotangco | magnon: it doesn't anymore | 12:23 |
| ogra | they freed it | 12:23 |
| magnon | it used to | 12:23 |
| magnon | ah well | 12:23 |
| ogra | since the latest release | 12:24 |
| shaga | that's the day I started using it everywhere | 12:24 |
| jsgotangco | magnon: similar to the deal with themozilla foundation on firefox | 12:24 |
| magnon | I never liked Opera that much anyway | 12:24 |
| ogra | but some people do... and we want to do everything that the user doesnt need to edit his sources.list :) | 12:25 |
| shaga | I like how opera has "real back" function | 12:25 |
| ogra | so getting it into multiverse is a goodplan | 12:25 |
| shaga | it doesn't reload the page and goes right into same spot, loads the page from the cache | 12:26 |
| shaga | and it's faster(lightweight), those are my main reasons.. | 12:26 |
| jsgotangco | i actually like it | 12:27 |
| magnon | ogra: sure, I thought it still had advertising | 12:27 |
| magnon | but to me it's just another browser that does things a little bit incorrect in another way that firefox does things a little bit incorrect | 12:28 |
| jsgotangco | i know some devels actually use it | 12:28 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: thanks for your hard work on the docs. | 12:29 |
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| ogra | the only thing i dont like about it since the ads are gone it that it uses QT ;) | 12:29 |
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| jsgotangco | JaneW: look where? we just uploaded it | 12:29 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: not linked in Edubuntu Docs? | 12:29 |
| jsgotangco | not yet | 12:29 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: are you going to include ubuntu-docs in the package? | 12:29 |
| ogra | depends on the size... | 12:30 |
| jsgotangco | proably a meg | 12:30 |
| ogra | powerpc is at 704 MB... | 12:30 |
| jsgotangco | ouch it overflowed | 12:30 |
| ogra | i'm not sure when it explodes | 12:30 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: oic | 12:30 |
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| ogra | not yet | 12:30 |
| shaga | 800 MB cds rocks :) | 12:30 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW: give me a day or two | 12:30 |
| jsgotangco | About Edubuntu is already done | 12:31 |
| ogra | but its near the edge and i havent looked what i can drop additionally from ppc | 12:31 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: oh alright ;) | 12:31 |
| jsgotangco | we've tested the package today | 12:31 |
| jsgotangco | fixing the entities are a pain so we're fixing our svn as well | 12:31 |
| ogra | i probably wont be able to do anything edubuntu related this week anyway... my highest proi task is still xss | 12:31 |
| ogra | so take your time | 12:31 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: sure take your time | 12:32 |
| ogra | heh | 12:32 |
| jsgotangco | i can have JaneW test the package tommorow | 12:32 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 12:32 |
| JaneW | ok | 12:37 |
| JaneW | it's a bit chaotic here, because Mark is here, and as a local celeb things are a bit manic | 12:38 |
| ogra | lol | 12:38 |
| ogra | hey, isnt it his own office ? | 12:39 |
| ogra | employees should be used to their boss *g* | 12:39 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 12:39 |
| jsgotangco | how influential is mark to the overall SA scene? | 12:39 |
| jsgotangco | VERY? | 12:39 |
| ogra | sure :) | 12:39 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: yes very | 12:46 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: he couldn't walk down the street without being stopped | 12:47 |
| jsgotangco | wow | 12:47 |
| shaga | :) | 12:47 |
| JaneW | ogra: it;s not the employees that are the problem is the other people, and all the hype that is here | 12:47 |
| shaga | so whos he then? | 12:47 |
| jsgotangco | so he has bodyguards when in SA? | 12:47 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: I don;t think so, I think he just keeps a low profile | 12:47 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW: that's nice to know | 12:47 |
| jsgotangco | but his face is very familar nowadays so... | 12:48 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: I would say that the list of well known SA celebs includes Madiba, Charlize and Mark... | 12:48 |
| jsgotangco | mmm charlize | 12:49 |
| JaneW | ogra: I asked about CDs | 12:50 |
| ogra | adn ? | 12:50 |
| ogra | and | 12:50 |
| jsgotangco | any luck? | 12:50 |
| JaneW | ogra: new answer is we can make a few hundred, and we have to arrange it ourselves | 12:50 |
| jsgotangco | arrange what? | 12:50 |
| JaneW | ogra: still don;t know what to do about packaging... | 12:50 |
| ogra | ok... lets do it post release then | 12:50 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 12:51 |
| JaneW | ogra: yes, let's get through the release and then try to make a plan | 12:51 |
| JaneW | at least it is something | 12:51 |
| ogra | a simple paper hardcover should be enough... | 12:51 |
| ogra | like kubuntu has them | 12:51 |
| jsgotangco | who did that? amu? | 12:51 |
| jsgotangco | or riddel | 12:51 |
| shaga | masochists gui=kde :D | 12:53 |
| jsgotangco | shaga: shhhh | 12:53 |
| shaga | ;) | 12:53 |
| jsgotangco | i remember ogra giving me dagger looks during udu because i was using kde | 12:53 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 12:53 |
| ogra | ;) | 12:53 |
| shaga | hehe | 12:54 |
| shaga | not for nothing tho, heh | 12:54 |
| JaneW | ogra: I haven't actually seen a Kubuntu CD | 12:58 |
| jsgotangco | its a blue disc with the 3 dragons | 12:58 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: is there an image somewhere? | 12:58 |
| jsgotangco | hmmmm | 12:58 |
| shaga | dragons, wow! | 12:59 |
| shaga | they shouldn't be cute tho | 01:01 |
| jsgotangco | let me find that | 01:03 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm | 01:03 |
| jsgotangco | i couldn't find it | 01:04 |
| jsgotangco | i'll just brb later and have dinner first | 01:04 |
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| Zaheer | hello :) | 01:57 |
| Zaheer | what version of ubuntu is edubuntu based on? | 01:57 |
| Zaheer | well the preview at least | 01:57 |
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| ogra | on the preview indeed :) | 01:59 |
| Zaheer | sorry i see now its 5.10 | 02:00 |
| Zaheer | my bad | 02:00 |
| Zaheer | thats breezy right? | 02:00 |
| shaga | yap | 02:00 |
| ogra | Zaheer, a daily edubuntu is always identical with a breezy daily... (modulo the edubuntu addons) | 02:01 |
| Zaheer | cool cause i wanted to DL breezy... would be abit silly if i already have edubuntu :D | 02:02 |
| ogra | yup | 02:03 |
| ogra | to install breezy from the CD, do a "server" install and just put ubuntu-desktop on top ;) | 02:04 |
| Zaheer | is there anything specific that i can help with? | 02:04 |
| ogra | testing,testing, testing... | 02:04 |
| ogra | find the evil bugs ;) | 02:04 |
| Zaheer | :D i found one y/day with the terminal server client. | 02:05 |
| ogra | one thats not known yet ? | 02:07 |
| Zaheer | dunno... where do i check? | 02:07 |
| ogra | bugzilla, look for ltsp | 02:07 |
| ogra | you could also describe it, i know all known ltsp bugs ;) | 02:08 |
| Zaheer | ok firstly i installed edubuntu as a workstation,i can terminal serve to windows pc but when i close it down with the little "x" i get an error message. | 02:11 |
| Zaheer | give me 5 secs to get the extact message for. | 02:11 |
| ogra | the workstation version has no ltsp functions at all | 02:11 |
| Zaheer | its not ltsp it the actuall terminal server client that comes with edubuntu. | 02:12 |
| ogra | err, what else ? | 02:12 |
| Zaheer | ok the message : "NOT IMPLEMENTED : System pointer message 0xf00" | 02:13 |
| Zaheer | mouse related i think | 02:13 |
| ogra | no idea what you are using there ? | 02:13 |
| ogra | what is that what you use as client ? | 02:14 |
| Zaheer | i get to the application by clicking on the following menus Applications -> Internet -> Terminal Server Client | 02:15 |
| ogra | ahhhh | 02:15 |
| Zaheer | :) | 02:16 |
| ogra | ok, that has nothing to do with edubuntu | 02:16 |
| Zaheer | oh ok. | 02:16 |
| ogra | file a bug in bugzilla agains tsclient so we can get it fixed in ubuntu ;) | 02:16 |
| Zaheer | okie dokie :D | 02:20 |
| Zaheer | whats the address to post bugs? | 02:27 |
| JaneW | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ | 02:29 |
| Zaheer | thanks | 02:31 |
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| wmaulik | ogra: hi olliver, you here? | 03:05 |
| wmaulik | this is jelkner writing as one of my students | 03:06 |
| wmaulik | anybody here? | 03:07 |
| wmaulik | JaneW: hi Jane, are you here? | 03:07 |
| JaneW | wmaulik: hello, yes | 03:07 |
| JaneW | wmaulik: hi Jeff | 03:07 |
| ogra | wmaulik, soryy, give me a minute... i'm afk for a moment | 03:07 |
| wmaulik | here is the situation with which i need help | 03:08 |
| wmaulik | we have encountered a bug in edubuntu | 03:09 |
| wmaulik | and we wanted to report it | 03:09 |
| wmaulik | Writesh, the student i am loggin in as, volunteered to report the bug himself | 03:10 |
| wmaulik | which i thought was great | 03:10 |
| wmaulik | so he created a launchpad account | 03:10 |
| JaneW | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ | 03:10 |
| JaneW | great | 03:10 |
| wmaulik | we want to use malone | 03:10 |
| wmaulik | if that is ok | 03:10 |
| JaneW | think so... | 03:10 |
| wmaulik | i don't want too many different ways to do things | 03:10 |
| wmaulik | launchpad is looking better all the time | 03:10 |
| JaneW | I think they are running in parallel atm | 03:10 |
| JaneW | nod | 03:10 |
| wmaulik | i call it "software development for human beings" ;-) | 03:11 |
| ogra | wmaulik, please use buzilla, malone is only for universe packges | 03:11 |
| ogra | nobody of the main devs looks in launchpad yet | 03:12 |
| wmaulik | ogra: when will that change? | 03:12 |
| wmaulik | it is not the best situation | 03:12 |
| wmaulik | i want to grow the edubuntu users, testers, etc group | 03:13 |
| ogra | if malone is ready its lacking a lot of features | 03:13 |
| wmaulik | and encourage people to report bugs | 03:13 |
| wmaulik | most new users don't know whether something is in universe or not | 03:13 |
| wmaulik | and they shouldn't have to | 03:13 |
| ogra | but i suspect sabdfl will force us to use it for main after release | 03:13 |
| ogra | everything installed in edubuntu is in main | 03:14 |
| wmaulik | ok | 03:14 |
| ogra | only stuff you installed additionally can be from niverse | 03:14 |
| wmaulik | if Writesh created a launchpad account, can he use bugzilla? | 03:14 |
| ogra | i'm not sure if they already work together this deep.... try it | 03:15 |
| wmaulik | ok, i've gotta run | 03:18 |
| ogra | bye and thanks... | 03:18 |
| wmaulik | writesh left already to go to his next class | 03:18 |
| wmaulik | now i've got to teach mine ;-) | 03:18 |
| ogra | :) | 03:18 |
| wmaulik | we'll try bugzilla tomorrow | 03:18 |
| ogra | ok | 03:19 |
| wmaulik | but i have to say that if it is easy we can to these things | 03:19 |
| wmaulik | if it is not we can't | 03:19 |
| wmaulik | thanks! | 03:19 |
| wmaulik | bye | 03:19 |
| ogra | then mail me about the bugs | 03:19 |
| wmaulik | ok, thanks | 03:19 |
| ogra | so i can forward them to bugzilla to assign them the right people | 03:19 |
| JaneW | sigh | 03:30 |
| JaneW | do flint or jelkner ever stay for longer than 10 mins? | 03:30 |
| Zaheer | highvoltage - why so quiet :) | 03:40 |
| highvoltage | Zaheer: very busy :) | 03:46 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: watching idols *duck* | 03:55 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: i wasn't *really* watching, I just came buy because vicki said we must :) | 04:01 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: nod, I was also only there for 5 mins or so... | 04:05 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: it's too cold to stand out there for long | 04:05 |
| highvoltage | yep. my word i'm tired. i ordered an dsl line from telkom today. took 45 mins. | 04:06 |
| highvoltage | the wireless connection in my area is just too dodgy. | 04:06 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: pity, but our ADSL ahs been good, except for the intl problems, but that had nothing to do with ADSL... | 04:07 |
| highvoltage | i think adsl is the best option locally. they just didn't have it in my area when i moved there (telkom didn't even have phone lines there). | 04:08 |
| highvoltage | Zaheer: so, how are things? | 04:09 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: where do you live? in the karoo? ;) | 04:11 |
| highvoltage | hehe. new area just outside bellville and kuils river (next to bottelary). | 04:12 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: ok, I got married near there (one of the wine farms) | 04:15 |
| highvoltage | where do you live at the moment? | 04:15 |
| JaneW | Rondebosch | 04:15 |
| Zaheer | cool man, looking forward to sysadmin classes starting ;) | 04:16 |
| Zaheer | any word on the venue yet? | 04:16 |
| JaneW | Zaheer: lol, I read that as SysAdmin clashes - I thought there was a battle of the SysAdmins or something ;) | 04:16 |
| Zaheer | he he :D | 04:17 |
| highvoltage | Zaheer: it's at pentech. i'm getting the maps tomorrow, will forward on. | 04:17 |
| Zaheer | im glad to see there a quite a few cape townians around :) | 04:18 |
| highvoltage | Zaheer: ah, so you know who i am now ;) | 04:18 |
| Zaheer | yes i do :D .. you had me worried for a while! | 04:18 |
| Zaheer | how'd you know it was me tho' or did you take a guess? | 04:19 |
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| Zaheer | orgra : posted the bug in bugzilla, thanks :) | 04:26 |
| highvoltage | Zaheer: you use telkom adsl, so i know you're local, and the zahedoll kind of gave it away. | 04:26 |
| Zaheer | aaahhh cunning!!! i didnt even see that. | 04:27 |
| highvoltage | ok. bye! | 05:01 |
| Zaheer | anyways guys have a good one! see ya | 05:07 |
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| ogra | hi | 05:13 |
| gilv | hi | 05:13 |
| ogra | gilv, so if you got any questions regarding edubuntu feel free to ask anytime :) | 05:14 |
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| JessicaX^ | Heya | 10:35 |
| JessicaX^ | Been a while since i was in here | 10:35 |
| JessicaX^ | How is everything | 10:35 |
| JessicaX^ | Like the new logo, btw | 10:36 |
| JessicaX^ | By the way ; are the projects under way.. or still in planning? | 10:37 |
| shaga | I installed just hoary-server, upgraded to hoary, then added edubuntu-desktop | 10:38 |
| shaga | smooth as silk ;) | 10:38 |
| JessicaX^ | eh? | 10:39 |
| shaga | s/second hoary/breezy | 10:40 |
| shaga | I think they are doing fine with edubuntu | 10:40 |
| shaga | at least from the looks | 10:40 |
| JessicaX^ | Eh????? | 10:40 |
| JessicaX^ | I didnt say they weren't | 10:41 |
| JessicaX^ | o.O | 10:41 |
| shaga | you asked how is everything | 10:41 |
| shaga | I just said that seems fine for them ;) | 10:41 |
| shaga | don't pick on my words so easily :) | 10:41 |
| JessicaX^ | I wasn't | 10:41 |
| shaga | hehe | 10:41 |
| JessicaX^ | I was just wondering what the hell you're talking about oOl | 10:41 |
| JessicaX^ | Projects as in | 10:42 |
| JessicaX^ | "what WILL be in edubuntu" | 10:42 |
| JessicaX^ | " What's going to be in Edubuntu?" | 10:42 |
| shaga | at least gnome-screensaver instead of x-s-s :p | 10:42 |
| ogra | nooo | 10:42 |
| shaga | huh | 10:42 |
| ogra | it was dropped a week ago | 10:42 |
| JessicaX^ | ehh? | 10:42 |
| JessicaX^ | did i say xss? | 10:43 |
| ogra | (sorry i'm in a meeting) | 10:43 |
| JessicaX^ | *thin air picking* | 10:43 |
| shaga | I'll just stay quiet :D | 10:43 |
| JessicaX^ | I dont know what the hell you're talkjing about XD | 10:43 |
| JessicaX^ | I said | 10:43 |
| JessicaX^ | "What projects" | 10:43 |
| JessicaX^ | And you're like ; "YA IM USING GNOME-SCREENSAVER" | 10:43 |
| JessicaX^ | o__O | 10:44 |
| JessicaX^ | "Nice Day today eh!" | 10:44 |
| JessicaX^ | "Yeah, i like banana boats" | 10:44 |
| shaga | *sights* | 10:45 |
| ogra | JessicaX^, kdeedu, gcompris, schooltool, the new and shiny ltsp classroom server we developed, moodle (hopefully, its currently a bit buggy) | 10:46 |
| JessicaX^ | sounds nice | 10:46 |
| ogra | coulorful artwork and icons... | 10:46 |
| JessicaX^ | Still using GNOME, right? | 10:46 |
| ogra | yup | 10:47 |
| ogra | but with kde bits... | 10:47 |
| ogra | kdeedu has no counterpart on the gnome side yet | 10:47 |
| JessicaX^ | iono, i tried using kubuntu | 10:49 |
| JessicaX^ | After ubuntu | 10:49 |
| JessicaX^ | and kubuntu ran faster | 10:49 |
| JessicaX^ | o.O | 10:49 |
| ogra | i never tried kubuntu... | 10:50 |
| ogra | :) | 10:50 |
| ogra | but i was told by several people that kde is a lot slower via ltsp... which is our main app... | 10:51 |
| JessicaX^ | Hmm | 10:51 |
| JessicaX^ | Yeah, but iono | 10:51 |
| ogra | i'll test that for next release | 10:51 |
| JessicaX^ | I think KDE looks more unified.. I dont like Epiphany | 10:51 |
| ogra | i dont like KDE ;) | 10:51 |
| JessicaX^ | Obviously | 10:51 |
| JessicaX^ | :P | 10:51 |
| ogra | way to cluttered | 10:51 |
| JessicaX^ | Well, it is out of the box | 10:52 |
| JessicaX^ | But gnome is completely the opposite | 10:52 |
| JessicaX^ | Nice to get up and running, but iono | 10:52 |
| ogra | gnome is totally out of te box :) | 10:52 |
| JessicaX^ | o_O | 10:52 |
| ogra | but we could discuss that endless... lets drop it | 10:52 |
| JessicaX^ | I know, i know | 10:53 |
| ogra | and i have to attend the meeting in #ubuntu-meeting :) | 10:53 |
| JessicaX^ | :P | 10:53 |
| JessicaX^ | you should use TuX :) | 10:53 |
| JessicaX^ | Very sexy indeed | 10:53 |
| ogra | ?? | 10:53 |
| JessicaX^ | Kernel HTTPd | 10:53 |
| ogra | yes, but why ? people are familiar with apache :) | 10:54 |
| magnon | kernelspace httpd makes me shudder | 10:55 |
| JessicaX^ | :D | 10:55 |
| JessicaX^ | Put IIS on there then ;) | 10:55 |
| JessicaX^ | Some schools in UK kiss that | 10:55 |
| shaga | hehe | 10:55 |
| JessicaX^ | TuX uses Apache as a secondary webserver | 10:56 |
| magnon | again | 10:56 |
| magnon | why, when you have apache? | 10:56 |
| magnon | the whole concept of putting http serving in kernel land is crazy | 10:56 |
| JessicaX^ | Not really | 10:56 |
| magnon | if you say so. ;) | 10:56 |
| JessicaX^ | Apache is nice, but there are HTTPd's that are faster than it | 10:57 |
| JessicaX^ | Well, i do ;) | 10:57 |
| JessicaX^ | Ask Igno Molnar why he made one | 10:57 |
| JessicaX^ | remember him? :P | 10:57 |
| JessicaX^ | Ingo :/ | 10:57 |
| magnon | yes. | 10:57 |
| ogra | did he run it on a ltsp server with 25 thin clients that started openpffice simultaiously ? | 10:57 |
| JessicaX^ | Ingo Molnar has been contributing to Linux kernel development since 1995 with an impressive list of accomplishments. Most recently his O(1) scheduler was merged into the 2.5 development kernel | 10:58 |
| JessicaX^ | Not that i recall | 10:58 |
| JessicaX^ | But that scheduler is uber clever | 10:58 |
| magnon | just because I love his scheduler doesn't mean that I like kernelspace http-serving | 10:58 |
| JessicaX^ | :P | 10:58 |
| JessicaX^ | Have you used it? | 10:59 |
| magnon | I tried it a long time ago | 10:59 |
| magnon | and never touched it again | 10:59 |
| magnon | it scares me | 10:59 |
| shaga | :D | 10:59 |
| JessicaX^ | :P | 10:59 |
| JessicaX^ | I love it | 10:59 |
| shaga | couldn't live without it I assume? ;) | 11:00 |
| JessicaX^ | Not really | 11:00 |
| JessicaX^ | It's good | 11:00 |
| JessicaX^ | but not that good | 11:00 |
| JessicaX^ | Linux yes, that no | 11:00 |
| shaga | :) | 11:01 |
| JessicaX^ | Hmm, would i be able to make a KDE based version of edubuntu? | 11:02 |
| JessicaX^ | Or a strictly dinge-o-rama ? :/ | 11:02 |
| JessicaX^ | Also magnon | 11:03 |
| JessicaX^ | http://slashdot.org/articles/00/07/20/1440204.shtml | 11:03 |
| JessicaX^ | Enjoy :) | 11:03 |
| shaga | you are a fan or something? | 11:04 |
| shaga | :D | 11:04 |
| JessicaX^ | I like clever things :) | 11:05 |
| shaga | hehe | 11:05 |
| shaga | perhaps too clever? ;) | 11:06 |
| JessicaX^ | Not really | 11:06 |
| JessicaX^ | I modify everything | 11:06 |
| JessicaX^ | To exactly how i like it | 11:06 |
| shaga | agreed | 11:06 |
| JessicaX^ | And then, once i've played, i look at what everyone else wants, strike a compromise, make it, sell and be happy | 11:06 |
| magnon | it's really not that clever. | 11:10 |
| magnon | it's putting something in kernel-land that SHOULD NOT be there | 11:11 |
| magnon | better when it works pretty close to that from the start :P | 11:11 |
| JessicaX^ | Rofl | 11:11 |
| JessicaX^ | Nah | 11:11 |
| JessicaX^ | Kernel land :P | 11:11 |
| shaga | I agree with magnon about kernel land | 11:11 |
| shaga | :p | 11:11 |
| JessicaX^ | It handles file transfers anyway, why should it be coupled with that which handles files | 11:12 |
| shaga | why to implement? | 11:12 |
| shaga | I don't see any reasons | 11:12 |
| JessicaX^ | I agree with the creator, tbh | 11:13 |
| JessicaX^ | " The biggest advantage i see is to have encapsulation, security and performance available to dynamic web applications *at the same time*" | 11:13 |
| magnon | security + kernel land just doesn't fit normal security theory for me | 11:22 |
| JessicaX^ | :P | 11:22 |
| shaga | :D | 11:22 |
| JessicaX^ | So, the kernel is insecure? | 11:22 |
| shaga | I love that "kernel land" | 11:22 |
| shaga | by browsing files on the web through kernel he meant I think | 11:23 |
| JessicaX^ | Not really | 11:23 |
| shaga | it's too close to the core | 11:23 |
| JessicaX^ | HTTPd isnt about browsing | 11:23 |
| shaga | damned, not too close, it's in the core | 11:23 |
| shaga | nope, not really.. but you got my point I assume? | 11:23 |
| JessicaX^ | Yeah | 11:23 |
| magnon | JessicaX^: it just means that if there first is a security breach, it's more fatal | 11:25 |
| JessicaX^ | But then again, if you got breached with apache running as root, then you'd have the same level of problems | 11:27 |
| JessicaX^ | The worst they can do is really lock you out or format everything | 11:27 |
| magnon | then why not run a lightweight http server in user land? :) | 11:27 |
| shaga | fatal.. I'd call it devastating | 11:27 |
| shaga | :p | 11:28 |
| JessicaX^ | :P | 11:28 |
| JessicaX^ | Like i say | 11:28 |
| JessicaX^ | If you code securely | 11:28 |
| magnon | ...there will always be a bug. | 11:28 |
| JessicaX^ | So, the same of edubuntu, then | 11:29 |
| JessicaX^ | Or is that exempt of these criticisms | 11:29 |
| JessicaX^ | ? | 11:29 |
| shaga | yeah, everybody always try to code securely.. but even in the mouse cursor in windows, there is bug with security flaws :D | 11:29 |
| JessicaX^ | You're using windows as an example o.O | 11:29 |
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| shaga | I just used as an example for a bug, it's good base for flaws :D | 11:30 |
| JessicaX^ | lol Usually, it's like "even the best can have problems" | 11:30 |
| JessicaX^ | Not | 11:30 |
| JessicaX^ | "windows has problems" | 11:30 |
| JessicaX^ | :P | 11:30 |
| shaga | hehe, yeah | 11:30 |
| JessicaX^ | Well, i'm building a distro up right now | 11:31 |
| JessicaX^ | :/ | 11:31 |
| shaga | I use most extraordinary ways to use examples | 11:31 |
| shaga | people are always laughing at me about it :) | 11:31 |
| JessicaX^ | Heh | 11:31 |
| JessicaX^ | I never use windows as a good example | 11:31 |
| shaga | I used as a worst | 11:31 |
| JessicaX^ | Also - does edubuntu have a page for schools perhaps wanting to change to Linux? eg - benefits? | 11:31 |
| JessicaX^ | If not, i could make one, i used to have to do presentations along the same lines all the time | 11:32 |
| ogra | JessicaX^, we have a wiki, feel free to make a page :) | 11:32 |
| JessicaX^ | err | 11:32 |
| JessicaX^ | I'll type it as a document | 11:32 |
| magnon | ogra: do we have anything _else_ than a wiki? ;)O | 11:32 |
| ogra | we'll have a website before release... | 11:33 |
| JessicaX^ | Well, i could make a website for you | 11:33 |
| JessicaX^ | I'm not brilliant with designs, but i "inspire" myself off template sites ;) | 11:33 |
| ogra | and a plone cms was planned, but i'm not sure highvoltage has come around to do it in time | 11:33 |
| JessicaX^ | Or with HTML or CSS o.O | 11:33 |
| JessicaX^ | I can make it in Drupal | 11:34 |
| ogra | *shudder | 11:34 |
| magnon | eek | 11:34 |
| JessicaX^ | Oh geezus | 11:34 |
| ogra | i'd like to avoid php | 11:34 |
| magnon | I think ubuntu has some good infrastructure already | 11:34 |
| JessicaX^ | You don't like drupal? :/ | 11:34 |
| JessicaX^ | rofl isnt Moodle PHP | 11:34 |
| JessicaX^ | ;) | 11:34 |
| ogra | i dont like php | 11:34 |
| JessicaX^ | you don't like much | 11:34 |
| JessicaX^ | :/ | 11:34 |
| magnon | ogra: as long as it's php5, I'd be fine | 11:34 |
| ogra | i dont use moodle, i just listened to our users ;) | 11:34 |
| JessicaX^ | It is php5 | 11:34 |
| JessicaX^ | ogra | 11:35 |
| JessicaX^ | Thank geebus for that | 11:35 |
| JessicaX^ | Otherwise it' | 11:35 |
| magnon | it isn't started up as php5 | 11:35 |
| JessicaX^ | it would probably be just a non-graphical boot | 11:35 |
| JessicaX^ | :/ | 11:35 |
| ogra | and i build a distro, i#m not the guy who does the web stuff... only a poor developer builing a CD here :) | 11:35 |
| JessicaX^ | I like skirts, and shopping, but it doesnt mean everyone else does | 11:35 |
| JessicaX^ | :P | 11:35 |
| === ogra likes skirts... if he doesnt need to wear them ;) | ||
| JessicaX^ | I wear them =) | 11:36 |
| shaga | I love skirts on girls as well | 11:36 |
| JessicaX^ | but, like i say | 11:36 |
| magnon | pff, girls are overrated | 11:36 |
| ogra | lol | 11:36 |
| === magnon should start running | ||
| shaga | time for some pizza and the 4400 episode | 11:37 |
| JessicaX^ | I like pink and girly stuff, and there's stuff i know i like, but it doesnt mean everyone else will love them because i do | 11:37 |
| shaga | :D | 11:37 |
| shaga | pink | 11:37 |
| shaga | she said pink | 11:37 |
| JessicaX^ | hint hint hint | 11:37 |
| magnon | and that does NOT mean edubuntu should have a default pink theme | 11:37 |
| shaga | anyway, off I go :) | 11:37 |
| JessicaX^ | Didnt say it should | 11:37 |
| ogra | JessicaX^, we have a server infrastructure where everything is python based already... everything else generates extra effort... | 11:37 |
| JessicaX^ | Go with the flow of the people ;) | 11:38 |
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| JessicaX^ | Just saying, every school i spoke to - chose KDE | 11:38 |
| ogra | adding php stuff would mean we'd need extra servers etc | 11:38 |
| JessicaX^ | Not really, i would have hosted it | 11:38 |
| JessicaX^ | But i cant be bothered now you've ranted :P | 11:38 |
| ogra | we'd like to hots it in our datacenter :) | 11:38 |
| JessicaX^ | Congrats | 11:39 |
| ogra | and the decision for gnome was not my personal decision we had a 4 day summit with lots of people and discussed apps and stuff to an end | 11:39 |
| magnon | gnome was a very wise decision | 11:39 |
| JessicaX^ | :) | 11:39 |
| JessicaX^ | Sure sure | 11:39 |
| magnon | if it was KDE I'd be using fc or even nld and still be unhappy | 11:40 |
| ogra | its simply that the support in ubuntu for gnome is bigger, we have a lot more developers wotrking on gnome stuff and only one for kde | 11:40 |
| JessicaX^ | Well, thats fair enough | 11:40 |
| ogra | edubuntu is 90% ubuntu... | 11:40 |
| JessicaX^ | But, when i worked at doing this kinda thing for money | 11:40 |
| ogra | i cant do everything alone ;) | 11:40 |
| JessicaX^ | A lot of the schools we spoke to said KDE over Gnome, or other WM's | 11:41 |
| ogra | the demand for a "like ubuntu" system in africa and southamerica is very high... that includes gnome | 11:41 |
| JessicaX^ | hm | 11:42 |
| magnon | JessicaX^: Oh, easy problem. "This is ubuntu, like it?" "yes" "ok." | 11:42 |
| linescanner | We have the same here in the UK. Most we have shown prefer KDE | 11:42 |
| JessicaX^ | "this is ubuntu like it.. er.. well, actually" "tough shit" | 11:42 |
| JessicaX^ | linescanner: I worked in the UK with it | 11:43 |
| JessicaX^ | Even the LEA we spoke to said KDE just looked a lot cleaner than Gnome, and fluxbox | 11:43 |
| magnon | if you say "gnome is simple and streamlined, whereas kde has too much cruft", they'd choose gnome | 11:43 |
| ogra | its no probem to install kde in edubuntu its just not the default install... | 11:43 |
| JessicaX^ | Not really | 11:43 |
| magnon | so it's a matter of how you say it :P | 11:43 |
| JessicaX^ | We didnt force KDE | 11:43 |
| linescanner | Which LEA ? | 11:43 |
| JessicaX^ | Thats just absolutely the most idiotic thing possible | 11:43 |
| JessicaX^ | The North Yorkshire, and the Cheshire | 11:44 |
| linescanner | Did you get anywhere with them ? | 11:44 |
| magnon | I force GNOME and can't see anything wrong with it | 11:44 |
| magnon | since it's what I support. :P | 11:44 |
| JessicaX^ | Forcing is retarded | 11:44 |
| magnon | no | 11:44 |
| JessicaX^ | I didnt force, i let them choose | 11:44 |
| ogra | we too | 11:44 |
| magnon | choosing a stable system that you can support is nonretarded | 11:44 |
| magnon | giving too many options which creates more work for _you_ in the end, is retarded. | 11:44 |
| JessicaX^ | You dont go to a school and say YOU HAVE TO HAVE UBUNTU or we wont support you | 11:44 |
| ogra | and since the summit was in london, there were a lot british teachers :) | 11:45 |
| JessicaX^ | Like it or not , it's similar to what Microsoft does | 11:45 |
| magnon | well, actually, we do | 11:45 |
| JessicaX^ | Not really | 11:45 |
| JessicaX^ | Because we could work with either | 11:45 |
| magnon | it's not, because they can always go wherever they want | 11:45 |
| JessicaX^ | I didnt want to force them | 11:45 |
| magnon | I couldn't | 11:45 |
| magnon | I know jack about KDE | 11:45 |
| JessicaX^ | because it's their choice | 11:45 |
| JessicaX^ | If they didnt want it, i didnt say "oh well, up yours" | 11:45 |
| JessicaX^ | or "Oh, not KDE?? GRRR" | 11:46 |
| magnon | I would. :D | 11:46 |
| JessicaX^ | Then you're an idiot | 11:46 |
| magnon | thanks | 11:46 |
| JessicaX^ | With Schools, you have to give choice | 11:46 |
| magnon | why? | 11:46 |
| magnon | why more choice to them than to anyone else? | 11:46 |
| JessicaX^ | Otherwise they just think you're trying to shove it down their throats | 11:46 |
| linescanner | The desktop aint the issue though it is what you do with it | 11:46 |
| magnon | because THEY should sacrifice support over others? | 11:46 |
| JessicaX^ | magnon | 11:46 |
| ogra | JessicaX^, thast exactly what we did... we invited interested eachers of schools wanting to adopt edubuntu what ever it should be and followed their choices | 11:46 |
| magnon | are businesses more important? | 11:46 |
| JessicaX^ | magnon | 11:46 |
| JessicaX^ | What the hell are you talking about | 11:46 |
| JessicaX^ | i'm on about the look and feel | 11:46 |
| JessicaX^ | We had 4 laptops | 11:47 |
| JessicaX^ | And we let them and CHILDREN | 11:47 |
| JessicaX^ | from ages of 5 - 16 | 11:47 |
| JessicaX^ | Look around them | 11:47 |
| magnon | JessicaX^: that if you run support, you need to go with a system and support it the way YOU can, if you don't, you're going to use more resources on it, and that heightens prices. | 11:47 |
| JessicaX^ | On gnome, even the LEA said as default it looks too dark | 11:47 |
| JessicaX^ | well, like said | 11:47 |
| JessicaX^ | I'd help with a KDE port of it | 11:47 |
| linescanner | JessicaX you working in schools still ? | 11:47 |
| JessicaX^ | I think choice is important, otherwise we'd all be using windows | 11:48 |
| JessicaX^ | linescanner, no i left | 11:48 |
| JessicaX^ | But, i'm helping a friend re-start the business | 11:48 |
| magnon | ah well, my business is external of schools and I work with both schools and SMBs | 11:48 |
| magnon | so, no choice. | 11:48 |
| magnon | the choice is "find another vendor", which is entirely their choice, of course. | 11:48 |
| JessicaX^ | But like i said, when we spoke with a phsychology lecturer | 11:49 |
| JessicaX^ | And other related professionals | 11:49 |
| linescanner | JessicaX you seen what we do at Cutter ? | 11:49 |
| JessicaX^ | they said about colour schemes, and how crucial they are to children of young ages | 11:49 |
| JessicaX^ | Cutter? | 11:49 |
| linescanner | www.cutterproject.co.uk | 11:49 |
| JessicaX^ | I heard of that | 11:49 |
| ogra | JessicaX^, have you even seen edubuntus gnome desktop yet ? | 11:49 |
| linescanner | Linux thin client for schools | 11:49 |
| JessicaX^ | There are no Screenshots from what i can see | 11:50 |
| ogra | nope | 11:50 |
| ogra | install it ;) | 11:50 |
| ogra | help testing ;) | 11:50 |
| JessicaX^ | Err | 11:50 |
| ogra | we'll release screenshots before release | 11:50 |
| linescanner | Ogra: you get anywhere with the bootig issue ? | 11:50 |
| linescanner | booting even | 11:51 |
| ogra | linescanner, the mptscsi stuff ? | 11:51 |
| linescanner | no the thins looping at nfs | 11:51 |
| JessicaX^ | Hehe, suse | 11:51 |
| ogra | linescanner, nope, some people are trying to track it now.... | 11:52 |
| JessicaX^ | Ahh, linescanner | 11:52 |
| JessicaX^ | Good work on the cutter project | 11:52 |
| JessicaX^ | :)_ | 11:52 |
| linescanner | Thanks | 11:52 |
| JessicaX^ | I watch Working lunch sometimes | 11:53 |
| JessicaX^ | :) | 11:53 |
| linescanner | Cool. The Deputy head there is turning into a media star :) | 11:54 |
| JessicaX^ | downloading the coverage of it now :D | 11:54 |
| linescanner | we are looking for more people to push it | 11:54 |
| JessicaX^ | I'd be happy to help :) | 11:54 |
| linescanner | drop me an email | 11:55 |
| JessicaX^ | Sure | 11:55 |
| JessicaX^ | i'd need the email :P | 11:55 |
| linescanner | andy.trevor@cutterproject.co.uk | 11:56 |
| JessicaX^ | :) Okay, will do | 11:56 |
| linescanner | my priv is blocked at the mo | 11:57 |
| JessicaX^ | Ah, righty | 11:57 |
| JessicaX^ | Unregistred user? | 11:57 |
| linescanner | yeah, keep meaning to sort it out | 11:59 |
| JessicaX^ | lol | 11:59 |
| linescanner | :) | 11:59 |
| JessicaX^ | Can't wait to watch this :) | 11:59 |
| JessicaX^ | I love it when linux gets mentioned on television | 11:59 |
| linescanner | ogra: re mptscsi stuff I need to put some time aside this week to get some feed back to you guys | 12:00 |
| linescanner | JessicaX :) | 12:00 |
| JessicaX^ | hm? :> | 12:00 |
| ogra | linescanner, try to get jbailey directly, we have other sun fire users, would be nice if that could be solved | 12:01 |
| JessicaX^ | Holy mackkarel | 12:02 |
| JessicaX^ | mackarel | 12:03 |
| JessicaX^ | 4000+ for Windows | 12:03 |
| JessicaX^ | Geebus | 12:03 |
| rejden | *eeek* | 12:03 |
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