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mdkehey ajmitch 12:08
mdke-> bed12:15
rob^yep12:47
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jjesseevening01:45
rob^hi01:45
jjessei hate dial up internet01:46
rob^yep01:47
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segfaultwell03:04
segfaultjust generated a preview of faqguide03:05
segfault#!/bin/bash03:05
segfaultxml2po -e -p pt_BR.po faqguide.xml > faqguide.pt_BR.xml03:05
segfaultxsltproc -o faqguide.pt_BR.html ../../../libs/faqguide-html-cust.xsl faqguide.pt_BR.xml03:05
segfaulthowever, there were some broken image links, and just did a copy from the top dirs.03:06
segfaulthttp://www.ubuntubrasil.org/docs if anyone wants to see03:06
Burglaptopsegfault, can you look at a pot I generated to see if it is sane?04:08
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jsgotangcorob^, don't go there...04:28
jsgotangcoyou'll mess up the whole scrollkeeper system04:28
jsgotangcoif the scrollkeeper db is messed up, you'll bork the whole gnome help system04:29
jsgotangconot just gnome btw, but also kde04:30
jsgotangcowith khelpcenter04:30
jsgotangcoas khelpcenter also uses scrollkeeper04:30
jsgotangcojbailey, ping?04:32
Burglaptopjsgotangco, finally managed to get a pot generated. Can you check it for sanity?'04:34
jsgotangcowhere did you upload it?04:37
jsgotangcobranch?04:37
jbaileyjsgotangco: pong04:38
Burglaptopjsgotangco, to the list04:38
jsgotangcojbailey, hi were you able to get around to registerring the doc in yelp? sabdfl was asking last night about it, since System->About ubuntu is still not available and bugged seb about it04:39
jbaileyi'm sort of beating on it now.04:40
jsgotangcoi pointed seb to the doc he might have done some stuff too04:40
jbaileyThere's supposed to be a system->about Ubuntu?04:40
jsgotangcoyeah04:41
jbaileyOh. =)04:41
jbaileyWhat should cause that to happen? =)04:41
jbaileyIs there a .desktop file or something?04:41
jsgotangcoi think its on seb's part for that..but the icon would be pointing to a yelp doc04:41
jsgotangcoso it should be properly registered with sk as well04:43
jsgotangcoi seem to hvae an issue with hibernate again04:45
jsgotangcothis time the screen flickers...04:45
jsgotangcobut it only happens if im on hibernate mode for a long time, probably an hour or so04:46
jbaileyhibernate or suspend?04:48
jsgotangcohibernate04:48
jbaileyhibernate is suspend to disk, right?  It shouldn't care how long it's out for...04:48
jsgotangcoyes04:48
jsgotangcothat's the weirdness04:49
jsgotangcosuspend to ram is fine04:49
HrdwrBoBthat's odd04:49
HrdwrBoBheh, hibernate doesn't work at all for me :)04:50
jsgotangcoim going to do a fresh install of colony5 to check again04:50
jsgotangcojbailey, were you able to go around with BreezyReleaseNotes?04:51
jbaileyjsgotangco: go around?04:53
jbaileyHrdwrBoB: What problem do you have?04:53
jsgotangcojbailey, i mean look at it04:53
jbaileyjsgotangco: I've added a couple of things to the wiki.04:54
jbaileySorry, I'm a bit tired, so I'm not cluing in as much as I should.04:54
jbaileyIs there more that I'm supposed to be doing with it? =)04:54
jsgotangcowell i wouldn't want to cram on it like a few days before release04:55
jbailey'kay.04:55
jbaileyWhat form should the release notes take do you think?04:55
jsgotangcowell in hoary we also shipped a release notes in docbook04:56
jsgotangcobut ideally we should only have one release notes for all04:56
jbaileyHmm, having it appear in yelp I guess makes the most sense.04:59
jbaileyD    generic/faqguide/C/rescue-mode.xml04:59
jbaileyD    generic/faqguide/C/tips-and-tricks.xml04:59
jbaileyA    generic/faqguide/rosetta-faqguide.tar.gz04:59
jbaileyAre those all supposed to have been deleted in favour of a .tar.gz file?05:00
Burglaptopjbailey, no, they were already merged in faqguide.xml05:00
Burglaptopjbailey, the tar.gz is something else05:00
jbaileyAh, okay. =)05:01
jsgotangcohmmm i downloaded PC BSD last night and installed it...05:04
jsgotangcothey have a graphical installer to boot...05:04
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Burglaptopto be honest a graphical installer is not all that it is cracked up to be05:05
Burglaptopafter all, you only use an installer once05:05
Burglaptopand the desktop everyday, so why not spend that time polishing the desktop05:05
Burglaptop?05:05
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jsgotangcoBurglaptop, a graphical installer still means something05:08
jsgotangcofor a BSD system that is something too05:09
Burglaptopjsgotangco, when you run totem, are you see this? The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'.05:09
Burglaptopamongst other error outputs05:09
jsgotangcototem runs fine05:10
Burglaptophmm05:10
Burglaptopdo you have any codecs installed?05:10
jsgotangcoi dont use totem heh05:10
jbaileyjsgotangco: In the current package, I'm running make gdeb.05:17
jbaileyWhat's the right thing to people the scrollkeeper bits now?05:17
jsgotangcoerr05:18
jsgotangcomake an omf file05:18
jsgotangcoand have it registered in the sk db05:18
jbailey'k.05:19
jbaileySo if I take the faqguide omf.05:19
jbaileyI'll chew it with dh_scrollkeeper.05:19
jbaileyDo I need to do anything to tell it additionally how to find itself in yelp?05:19
jbailey(by section or whatnot?)05:20
jsgotangcoerr05:20
jsgotangcowait a bit05:20
jsgotangco    <subject category="General|Linux|Distributions|Other"/>05:21
jsgotangcoon the omf file05:21
jsgotangcohttp://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2005-September/003433.html05:23
jbaileyAh, nice.  That's from a couple days before I subscribed. =)05:25
jbaileyI wonder if the omf files in here are all correct.05:25
jbaileyWe'll see soon enough. =)05:25
jsgotangcoim sure they aren't05:26
jsgotangcoi think i did that thing when we still had html05:26
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rob^ahha05:32
jbaileyI'm surprised translated documents get their own omf rather than a section in the doc.05:33
jsgotangcoye05:34
jsgotangcoand each has its own series id05:34
rob^so we are going to keep the yelp front page as is an put an entry where Ubuntu Quick Guide is now for the FAQ Guide and Quicktour?05:34
jsgotangcorob^, yeah but compared to others like RH and CentOS, our Yelp is way much better05:35
rob^I haven't even looked at those two in a long time05:36
rob^does scrollkeeper detect what language you are using and swap in the appropriate translation link?05:37
jsgotangconot sure really i think that is gnome at work05:37
jsgotangcothat's why we have %language parameters05:38
rob^ah ok, in the omf05:38
rob^has the latest pot been uploaded to rosetta yet?05:40
rob^gee some of the translations still have a while to go, hopefully now that the pot is soughted out everything will start to happen 05:41
rob^sorted*05:42
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HrdwrBoBjbailey: it doesn't work :)06:13
HrdwrBoBI hibernate06:13
HrdwrBoBand when it boots, it just boots normally06:13
jbaileyHrdwrBoB: ARe you on that system now?06:14
HrdwrBoBit's sitting here, yes06:14
JonnyRoHello06:14
jbaileyWhat's the last line of /proc/swaps?06:15
HrdwrBoB/dev/hda5                               partition       722884  99292   -106:16
jbaileyAre you on i386 / amd64?06:17
HrdwrBoByeah i38606:17
HrdwrBoBit's an X4006:18
jbaileycat /sys/power/resume06:18
jbaileyI don't know what an X40 is.06:18
HrdwrBoBIBM laptop06:18
HrdwrBoB3:506:18
jbaileyWhen did you last try a suspend?06:18
jbaileyerr. hibernate06:18
HrdwrBoBhm.. a while06:20
HrdwrBoBI'll give it a ry06:20
jbailey'cause everything there looks right. =)06:21
HrdwrBoBheh, works now :)06:22
jbaileyOh good. =)06:23
HrdwrBoBit didn't work about a month or so (I think) ago06:24
HrdwrBoBI just use suspend anyway, not much point in hibernating the laptop06:24
jbaileyHey, it even seems to work.06:35
HrdwrBoBjust sans networking06:35
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jbaileyHmm?06:36
jbaileyOh, I meant the docbook. = )06:36
jbaileyEntity errors galore.06:36
jbaileyBut I can fix those tomorrow.06:36
HrdwrBoBoh heh06:37
jsgotangcohave fun =)06:37
jbaileyjsgotangco: Always! =)06:38
jsgotangcothe svn structure isn't package friendly really06:38
jbaileySo quicktour stays as html.  Does it need to go into yelp as well with an omf file, or is doc-base good enough?06:38
jsgotangcohmmm i can't say06:41
jbaileyNo worries.06:41
jbaileySomeone will file a bug. =)06:41
jbailey"Unofficial Ubuntu 5.10 Starter Guide"06:43
jbaileyWhy is it Unofficial? =)06:43
Burglaptopjbailey, that is from the ubuntuguide website06:43
Burglaptopand a really really stupid bug06:43
jbailey'k =)06:44
Burglaptopjbailey, lets talk about UBZ about making our archive package friendlyu06:45
=== jsgotangco filled with envy
jbaileyBurglaptop: I may not be awake enough to have this conversation atm...06:46
Burglaptopjbailey, UBZ, you, me, talking06:46
Burglaptopjbailey, that is all you need to remember06:46
jsgotangcolol06:46
jbaileyAh. Is that first about supposed to be "at"?06:46
jsgotangcojbailey's always around during BOFs anyways06:46
jbaileyjsgotangco: That because they schedule me for *every* *freaking* *one*06:47
jbaileyMy schedule at UDU was insane.06:47
jsgotangcoahh i thought you were just loving every bof during UDU06:47
jbaileyAnd I was in demand once people figured out that I don't mind taking notes.06:47
jsgotangcolol06:48
jbaileyjsgotangco: Well, my technique is usually to take everything people say verbatum, and then reduce later. =)06:49
jsgotangcoahh kernel update06:50
jsgotangcobrb reboot06:50
jbaileyBurglaptop: Actually, can you setup a bof for it?06:53
jbaileyList you as primary, me as secondary.06:53
ajmitchjbailey: you expect to be at most BOFs for UBZ as well?06:53
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jbaileyajmitch: Well, I was hardly at "most bofs" since there were like 5 at once06:54
ajmitch:)06:54
jbaileyBut yes, I expect that my slate will be full.06:54
ajmitchok, scheduled for most 06:54
ajmitchI'll probably have a nice easy time of things :)06:54
jbaileyajmitch: The problem is that being support and distro means I have twice as many as I'd expect.06:54
jbaileyIf I'm doing docteam stuff as well, that increases it.06:54
jbaileyAnd I might ask to go to bzr related bofs.06:55
ajmitchyou volunteer for far too much work06:55
ajmitchI'll try & make it to docteam bofs, I think06:55
ajmitchand I'll share my notes with you :)06:56
jbaileyAww, thanks. =)06:56
jbaileyHmm.06:56
jbaileyI should probably commit fixes to both branch and trunk.06:56
ajmitchplug in a microphone into the laptop06:56
ajmitchtranscribe later06:56
jbaileytrunk can wait until I'm actually awake, though.06:56
jbaileyNo, a microphone is a horrible idea.06:56
jbailey1) People clam up.06:56
jbailey2) Then you have to listen to it *twice*06:56
ajmitchtrue06:56
ajmitchotherwise you ahev to type/write fast to keep up06:56
ajmitchs/ahev/have/06:57
ajmitchmy typing has gone downhill lately :)06:57
jbaileyNot generally a problem.06:57
jbaileyYou need to IRC more. =)06:57
ajmitchbecause I obviously don't spend enough time on irc?06:58
jbaileyClearly. ;)06:58
Burglaptopjbailey, can do06:58
ajmitchI just have to hope you don't join any more channels, it makes it hard to stalk you with a 20 channel limit ;)06:58
jbaileyBurglaptop: Thanks.06:58
jbaileyajmitch: Dude, I have 3 freenode accounts. =006:59
jbailey=)06:59
ajmitchworrying06:59
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jbaileyI'm almost always in on 2 of them.07:00
ajmitchI've only seen 2, I think07:00
jbaileyThinking of which, anyone here know how to close a query window in irssi-text?07:00
jbaileyajmitch: Right, the other one is a Canonical internal.07:00
ajmitchmakes sense07:00
Burglaptophmm, what happened to the spec template?07:00
jbaileyYeah.  sometime I have to actually work and get things done =)07:01
jbaileyBurglaptop: It seemed fine this morning.07:01
jbaileywhen I did LocalesThatDontSuck07:01
Burglaptopwhere is it?07:02
ajmitchmost people seem to leave the status line in their specs very messy07:02
Burglaptopthat can get cleaned up as the bofs get more polished07:03
jbaileyBurglaptop: If you create a page that doesn't exist, doesn't it show up in the list of templates?07:03
ajmitchI think they'd like that - makes it easier to search for edited specs, for example07:03
Burglaptopyes it does07:04
Burglaptopjsgotangco, should we bof SVNtoBaz07:06
jsgotangcoyes07:06
jsgotangcobut i'd rather go Bzr really07:06
ajmitchjsgotangco: bzr is shaping up nicely, but it might delay migration a bit07:06
Burglaptopwhatever07:07
jbaileybzr isn't useful yet atm.07:07
Burglaptopwe got a braindump spec for that yet?07:07
jbaileyNot for group develpoment like this.07:07
jsgotangcono07:07
jbaileyHonestly, folks, stick with svn until bzr is ready.07:07
ajmitchjbailey: maybe with pqm07:07
jsgotangcoBurglaptop, we need to dump what you're going to slave to during UBZ07:07
jbaileyajmitch: Yeah.07:07
jbaileyajmitch: Have you used pqm?07:07
jsgotangcojbailey, sure our svn just needs cleanup really07:07
jbaileyYup07:08
ajmitchjbailey: nope07:08
ajmitchjbailey: haven't had a chance to yet :)07:08
Burglaptophttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocsPackaging07:09
Burglaptopjbailey, I have no idea what is needed for packaging, so add as needed07:09
jsgotangcoi thought specs are to be created thru lp?07:10
ajmitchjsgotangco: if so, we haven't been told07:10
jsgotangcoour wiki is so slow atm07:10
Burglaptopjsgotangco, I don;t think that part is fully hooked up right now07:11
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ajmitchhopefully I don't conflict with anyone07:12
ajmitchhm yes07:12
ajmitchmust protect jeff's hair :)07:12
jbaileyHmm, so randomly portugues and tl.. Tagalog?07:12
jbaileyaren't coming up right.07:13
jbaileyAll the other languages that already have omf files do.07:13
jbaileyI'll figure out how to make the rest of the omf files in the morning, I think.07:13
jsgotangcotl doesn't??07:13
jbaileyNo idea why.07:13
jbaileyThe omf file looks right.07:13
jsgotangcothose are still the old docs right?07:13
jbaileyI think so, yeah.07:14
jsgotangcoor the translated ones from rosetta already07:14
jbaileyOld, by the looks of it.07:14
jbaileyBut I can't read tagalog. =)07:14
jbaileyA bunch of the others that I can read appear to be old.07:14
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MadpilotPPCBurglaptop, hold down alt and drag the tabs, or what?07:16
Burglaptopalt and then click left and right arrow keys07:17
Burglaptopdiscovered when I tried to move virtual desktops07:17
MadpilotPPCsweet - thanks07:17
jbaileyAfter this, I still need to point firefox and epiphany at a document in ubuntu-docs, tie in kubuntu-docs, edubuntu-docs and do the release notes, rights?07:17
jbaileyDid I miss anything?07:17
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jsgotangcojbailey, my hero07:18
jbailey\o/07:18
jbaileySorry for being slow on this, guys.07:19
jsgotangcojbailey, its ok07:19
Burglaptopjbailey, slow would be Oct 14th07:19
ajmitchjbailey: don't worry, you're helping a lot more than I am :)07:19
jsgotangcoyou were loaded07:19
Burglaptopjsgotangco, umm...07:19
Burglaptopjsgotangco, if you mean overloaded, that is fine. Loaded means drunk07:20
jsgotangcojbailey's usually drunk when i catch him07:20
jbaileyEh, that's because it's in the middle of the night on a weekend, usually.07:20
jsgotangcoheh07:21
jbaileyI try not to 1) Be awake when you are during the week. 2) Drink during the week.07:21
jbaileyBoth are bad fu. =)07:21
jbaileyAnyone want to proof this package for me in case I've done something stupid?07:22
jsgotangcofeed me07:25
Burglaptopjsgotangco, do you see evince on the list of applications to open something?07:27
Burglaptopjsgotangco, need to confirm before I file a bug07:27
jsgotangcoa pdf?07:27
Burglaptopno, right click on anything and choose "another application"07:27
jsgotangcoopen with "Document Viewer" opens up Evince07:27
Burglaptoplook for evince or document viewer07:27
BurglaptopI don't see either entry07:28
jsgotangcoright file a bug07:28
jbaileyROAR I HATE THE NEW NANO07:28
jsgotangcoit sees my acrobat07:28
jbaileyjsgotangco: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/ubuntu-docs_5.10-2_all.deb07:33
jsgotangcowill this bork the current ubuntu-docs?07:34
jbaileyIt replaces the current one.07:34
jbaileySo, I guess, yes, in a sense. =)07:34
jsgotangcoarghh07:35
jsgotangcoit'll make ubuntu-desktop uninstallable07:35
jbaileyWhy is that bad?07:35
jbaileyOh, it shouldn't make it uninstallable.07:35
jbaileyThe package still exists.07:35
jsgotangcono worries, this unit is meant to have borked stuff07:36
jbaileyWell, if you don't find any bugs in the next 5 minutes, I'm uploading it to main. =)07:36
jsgotangcoaha07:36
jsgotangcohmm07:36
jsgotangcowhere is the logo?07:36
jbaileylogo? =)07:36
jbaileyOn what page? =)07:37
jsgotangcoAbout Ubuntu has a logo07:37
jsgotangcowhy is it Unofficial?07:37
jbaileyI asked that earlier. =)07:37
=== Burglaptop shakes his fist at ajmitch for not filling out an edit summary
jsgotangcoThis document aims at answering questions that are asked frequently. It contains Wiki entries from the ubuntulinux.org web site, the mailing lists and all contribution that we received through the Ubuntu Bugzilla.07:37
jsgotangcoshould be ubuntu.com07:38
jbaileyMm.07:38
jbaileyCan that still be changed, even in stringfreeze?07:38
jsgotangcoyou're just editing the omf file!07:38
jbaileyEh?07:38
jbaileyI'm using the ones that are generally there.07:38
jbaileyIs that bad?07:38
jsgotangcothe omf is trivial an can be changed as needed07:39
jbaileyOkay.07:39
jsgotangcobut as i see it now, it works07:39
jsgotangco=)07:39
jbaileyLemme dig up that logo for you. =)07:40
jsgotangcoAbout Ubuntu07:40
jsgotangco    Short description of the Hoary Ubuntu system07:40
jbailey                <imagedata fileref="../../images/&language;/UbuntuLogo.png" format="PNG"/>07:40
jbaileyIs the logo really *per language*?07:40
jsgotangcoCould be editged as "Short description of Ubuntu 5.1007:40
jsgotangcoif you change it to C it'll work07:40
jbaileyjsgotangco: Do you have a branch checkout handy?07:40
jsgotangcoyeah07:40
jsgotangcoi have branch07:41
jbaileyI've commited everything to date.07:41
jbaileyjust svn up07:41
jsgotangcook let me check07:41
jbaileyOh, I see.07:42
jsgotangcoi should be looking at?07:42
jbaileyIt includes the "linux for human beings" text.07:43
jsgotangcooh you want me to edit the omf07:43
jbaileyJust if you wanted to edit the text directly, I can update to it before uplodaing.07:43
jbaileyDo you midn?07:43
jbaileyOtherwise I 'll do it after I sort out the images.07:43
jsgotangcoI don't like "Short description"07:45
jsgotangcohmmm07:45
ajmitchBurglaptop: hm? :)07:47
ajmitchBurglaptop: all I did was add my name to it, honest! :)07:47
Burglaptopajmitch, yes, and if you add an edit summary, I don't need to see the diff on our slow wiki to see that07:48
jsgotangcojbailey, ok i've edited some of the omf files to have relevant descriptions just upload when you're free thanks07:48
jbaileyAm I allowed to alter the xml file so that the image points to the right place?07:49
ajmitchjbailey: you currently keep the packaging completely separate?07:49
jbaileyajmitch: No, not yet.07:49
jbaileyIt's just a debian/ in the root of the tree.07:49
jsgotangcojbailey, we'll hvae to do that with every translated doc for sure07:49
jbaileyjsgotangco: Right, but how do I make sure that whoever is merging the pofile doesn't clobber it?07:50
jbaileyjsgotangco: Got your updates, thanks.07:50
ajmitchjbailey: not in svn?07:50
jsgotangcono idea07:50
jbaileyajmitch: This sentence no verb.07:50
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jbaileyjsgotangco: a'ight.  I'll fix it for now and sort it out tomorrow. =)07:50
ajmitchjbailey: the debian/ dir that you are using is not in the ubuntu-docs trunk? :)07:51
jbaileyajmitch: Right, it's only on the branch atm.07:51
cyclotron6can anyone help me with ndiswrapper issues07:51
jsgotangcocan't we just say Ubuntu 5.10 FAQ Guide instead of adding Unofficial??07:51
jsgotangcocyclotron6, #ubuntu07:51
ajmitchjbailey: ah, I don't have any branches checked out..07:51
jbaileyajmitch: I'm doing the work there so that we can do more invasive things on the trunk if we feel like.07:51
cyclotron6thx07:51
jbaileyajmitch: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/breezy07:51
ajmitchyep, thanks :)07:52
jbaileyajmitch: Thinking of hair, most of the blue has fallen out now, but I'm planning on having it redone shortly efore ubz. =)07:53
ajmitchheh07:54
jbaileyjsgotangco: I've uploaded a newer version of the apckage to the same location, with your fixes, with a logo.07:54
jsgotangcookay07:54
jbaileyLesse if I can reduce some of these entity errors.07:55
MadpilotPPCMurphy is a bastard... I seem to get "authentication database is temporarily unavailable" from with wiki just when I find something that needs attention... ;)07:55
MadpilotPPC*from the wiki, that is...07:55
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ajmitchMadpilotPPC: weekly launchpad update, I just saw ;)07:55
jbaileyAh, I need to pull in libs/global.ent07:56
jsgotangcoyelp has a bug07:56
jsgotangcohmmm07:56
jsgotangcooh the entities...07:57
jbaileyMore paths to tweak07:57
jbaileyOh, I see.08:01
jbaileySuck.08:01
jbaileyI need to be more awake to do this.08:01
jbaileyI'll upload what I have now.08:01
jbaileyNoone runs 'yelp' from the command line, so I'll have it fixed before it's seriously noticed.08:01
jbaileyBut what I think I want to do is see whether or not it's possible when defining an external entity if it can be done according to a search path.08:02
jbaileyThat way the source tree and the destination layout aren't so tightly bound.08:02
jbaileyIn the meantime, any last objections before I bake this?>08:02
jsgotangcoeh???08:02
jsgotangcolet me chew on that first08:03
jbaileys/bake/upload/08:03
jbaileychew on what, sorry? =)08:03
jsgotangcono one runs yelp on cli yes08:03
jsgotangcoyou're not going to enable yelp to do that?08:03
Burglaptopnight all08:03
jbaileyWhat?  No, nothing so insane.08:03
jbaileyJust that it spews noise because of missing entities to the command line right now.08:04
jbaileyI'll fix that in the morning.08:04
jsgotangcoahh08:04
jbaileyBut I'm liable to do something really stupid right now. =)08:04
jsgotangcolet me check that as well08:04
jsgotangcoyuckkk08:04
jbaileySee? =)08:04
jsgotangcoi know what you mean now08:04
jbaileyDon't do that. =)08:04
jbaileyAt least, not until tomorrow night. =)08:04
jsgotangcoewwwwwww08:04
jsgotangcofaq guide is even worse08:05
jbaileyYeah.08:05
jbaileyBoth will be easy to solve.08:05
jbaileyBut that'll start the rearrangement of the branch stuff.08:05
jsgotangcook08:05
jbaileyI think.08:05
jbaileyDunno08:05
jsgotangcoyeah08:05
jbaileySleep soon.08:05
jbaileyMay I upload?08:05
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jsgotangcothe problem is that the entities themselves are horribly arranged08:05
jsgotangcosure08:05
jsgotangcolike you said before not package friendly08:05
jbaileyYup08:06
jbaileyIf docbook has a search path concept, it'll work.08:06
jsgotangcook08:06
jsgotangcotommorow then08:06
jsgotangcothanks08:06
jbaileyAhahah..  31 meg source package for a 109k .deb08:08
jbaileyHave to fix that, too. =)08:08
jsgotangcothe docbook utils?08:08
jbaileyjsgotangco: If you have  moment, can you please clean anything out of the branch that isn't documentation that we're shipping for breezy or my debian/ directory?08:09
jbaileyJust rm -rf it, then svn delete.08:09
jsgotangcosure08:09
jbaileyThanks.08:09
jsgotangcothats a lot of docs for sure08:09
jbaileyWe can keep them on the trunkfor now if we think they might be picked up.08:10
jbaileyBut I'd like to tag and file away any docs that aren't going anywhere.08:10
jbaileyBut they can just be straight deleted off of the branch.08:10
jsgotangcoyes trunk needs cleanup really but cleaning up the breezy branch is a good start then we merge08:10
ajmitchanywhere I can actually help? :)08:10
jsgotangcoajmitch, we can request elmo for an svn account08:11
jbaileyUploaded, sleep time now.08:12
ajmitchjsgotangco: accounts are controlled by canonical at the moment?08:13
jsgotangcoyeah08:13
jsgotangcoits their machine08:13
ajmitchright08:13
ajmitchbut the MOTUs have a server now that we have control over08:13
ajmitchI think there was some need for system access there though08:14
jsgotangcoit would be nice to have something like that08:14
ajmitchso I can say that I have root on 1 canonical server ;)08:15
jsgotangco:P08:15
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sabdflhi all11:11
sabdflso, i'll be writing some documentation :-)11:11
sabdflwhat's the best format to use? docbook?11:11
sabdfland... is there a wysiwyg editor for it?11:11
ajmitchI believe docbook is the way, and the only wysiwyg editor I've heard of is OOo :)11:13
ajmitchgood to have you writing docs :)11:13
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Kaiser_eatswhats docbook ? a language or layout format?11:15
ajmitchmarkup language, essentially11:17
sabdflajmitch: OOo supports docbook?11:17
ajmitchsabdfl: so I heard - I haven't used it though11:17
Kaiser_eatsoh thanks ajmitch. might have to leran it then11:18
ajmitchit's at least in the 'save as' dialog11:19
sabdflhmm... ok, will try that. thanks guys11:27
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ajmitchjsgotangco: got logs for the channel?11:56
ajmitchjsgotangco: btw andrewm is me, curse the 20 channel limit ;)11:56
jsgotangcoubuntulog11:56
jsgotangcoyeah11:56
jsgotangcowhat did he say11:56
ajmitch21:11 -!- sabdfl [n=mark@pdpc/supporter/silver/sabdfl]  has joined #ubuntu-doc11:56
ajmitch21:11 < sabdfl> hi all11:57
ajmitch21:11 < sabdfl> so, i'll be writing some documentation :-)11:57
ajmitch21:11 < sabdfl> what's the best format to use? docbook?11:57
ajmitch21:11 < sabdfl> and... is there a wysiwyg editor for it?11:57
ajmitchI don't really know of a *good* wysiwyg editor11:57
jsgotangcoahhh11:57
ajmitchgot suggestions?11:58
ajmitchI see that both OOo & abiword support save as docbook11:58
jsgotangcoOOo2 can do docbook11:58
jsgotangcohaven't tried abiword11:58
ajmitchyeah, I said that to sabdfl11:58
jsgotangcoand if the output is friendly to yelp11:58
ajmitchjust checked abiword now11:59
jsgotangcoim not in linux atm i can try it in the other laptop11:59
jsgotangcowtf i just remembered im in kde12:00
jsgotangcohehe12:00
ajmitchhehe12:00
ajmitchso much like windows XP.. ;)12:00
Kamping_Kaiserlol12:01
jsgotangcothere's conglomerate but that's really spotty12:02
segfaultburgundavia: sorry, i was afk12:09
segfaultops12:10
segfaultburglatop is gone.12:10
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jsgotangcobrb12:54
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Burglaptopjdub, ping07:49
jdubpong07:49
Burglaptopwhat is the status of new artwork for Breezy?07:49
Burglaptopcan I start shooting screenshots or should I wait?07:50
Burglaptopjdub, ^07:58
jdubthere'll be an upload of it tomorrow07:58
jdubthe only things likely to change are the background and splash07:58
jdubso sshots will be mostly unaffected07:58
Burglaptopjdub, ok, thanks for the info07:59
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jbaileyAnyone know where ubuntu-faqguide comes from?08:57
Burglaptopjbailey, say again?08:58
jbaileyI got a bug about a package called ubuntu-faqguide that I apparnetly need to conflict with.08:58
jbaileyI can't see where it comes from, though.08:58
jbaileyI don't see it in breezy or hoary.08:59
Burglaptophmm, no idea08:59
Burglaptopcan I see the bug?08:59
jbaileyNO MWAHAHAHAHAH08:59
jbaileyerr08:59
jbaileyumm08:59
jbailey1646508:59
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jbaileyRight. =)09:01
Burglaptopubuntu-docs doesn't provide it09:01
jbaileyI don't have that on my systems here at all.09:01
Burglaptopnor do I09:02
jbaileySo before I make an fool of myself asking my boss where it came from, I figured I'd ask here. =)09:02
BurglaptopI suspect it might have been an old package that we did as a test09:02
jbaileyAh, okay.09:03
jbaileySo something someone who updates daily would hit, but not a normal user.09:03
Burglaptopit may have not even been uploaded09:04
Burglaptopjust spread through the doc list09:04
BurglaptopI have found an old email from Enrico Zini from Feb09:05
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