[12:08] hey ajmitch [12:15] -> bed [12:47] yep === jjesse [n=trillian@69-87-141-189.async.iserv.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:45] evening [01:45] hi [01:46] i hate dial up internet [01:47] yep === macgyver2 [n=eric@unaffiliated/macgyver2] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:04] well [03:05] just generated a preview of faqguide [03:05] #!/bin/bash [03:05] xml2po -e -p pt_BR.po faqguide.xml > faqguide.pt_BR.xml [03:05] xsltproc -o faqguide.pt_BR.html ../../../libs/faqguide-html-cust.xsl faqguide.pt_BR.xml [03:06] however, there were some broken image links, and just did a copy from the top dirs. [03:06] http://www.ubuntubrasil.org/docs if anyone wants to see [04:08] segfault, can you look at a pot I generated to see if it is sane? === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:28] rob^, don't go there... [04:28] you'll mess up the whole scrollkeeper system [04:29] if the scrollkeeper db is messed up, you'll bork the whole gnome help system [04:30] not just gnome btw, but also kde [04:30] with khelpcenter [04:30] as khelpcenter also uses scrollkeeper [04:32] jbailey, ping? [04:34] jsgotangco, finally managed to get a pot generated. Can you check it for sanity?' [04:37] where did you upload it? [04:37] branch? [04:38] jsgotangco: pong [04:38] jsgotangco, to the list [04:39] jbailey, hi were you able to get around to registerring the doc in yelp? sabdfl was asking last night about it, since System->About ubuntu is still not available and bugged seb about it [04:40] i'm sort of beating on it now. [04:40] i pointed seb to the doc he might have done some stuff too [04:40] There's supposed to be a system->about Ubuntu? [04:41] yeah [04:41] Oh. =) [04:41] What should cause that to happen? =) [04:41] Is there a .desktop file or something? [04:41] i think its on seb's part for that..but the icon would be pointing to a yelp doc [04:43] so it should be properly registered with sk as well [04:45] i seem to hvae an issue with hibernate again [04:45] this time the screen flickers... [04:46] but it only happens if im on hibernate mode for a long time, probably an hour or so [04:48] hibernate or suspend? [04:48] hibernate [04:48] hibernate is suspend to disk, right? It shouldn't care how long it's out for... [04:48] yes [04:49] that's the weirdness [04:49] suspend to ram is fine [04:49] that's odd [04:50] heh, hibernate doesn't work at all for me :) [04:50] im going to do a fresh install of colony5 to check again [04:51] jbailey, were you able to go around with BreezyReleaseNotes? [04:53] jsgotangco: go around? [04:53] HrdwrBoB: What problem do you have? [04:53] jbailey, i mean look at it [04:54] jsgotangco: I've added a couple of things to the wiki. [04:54] Sorry, I'm a bit tired, so I'm not cluing in as much as I should. [04:54] Is there more that I'm supposed to be doing with it? =) [04:55] well i wouldn't want to cram on it like a few days before release [04:55] 'kay. [04:55] What form should the release notes take do you think? [04:56] well in hoary we also shipped a release notes in docbook [04:56] but ideally we should only have one release notes for all [04:59] Hmm, having it appear in yelp I guess makes the most sense. [04:59] D generic/faqguide/C/rescue-mode.xml [04:59] D generic/faqguide/C/tips-and-tricks.xml [04:59] A generic/faqguide/rosetta-faqguide.tar.gz [05:00] Are those all supposed to have been deleted in favour of a .tar.gz file? [05:00] jbailey, no, they were already merged in faqguide.xml [05:00] jbailey, the tar.gz is something else [05:01] Ah, okay. =) [05:04] hmmm i downloaded PC BSD last night and installed it... [05:04] they have a graphical installer to boot... === Burglaptop watches jsgotangco get mesmerized by the graphical instlaler [05:05] to be honest a graphical installer is not all that it is cracked up to be [05:05] after all, you only use an installer once [05:05] and the desktop everyday, so why not spend that time polishing the desktop [05:05] ? === Burglaptop has now beat his todo list down to 15 items [05:08] Burglaptop, a graphical installer still means something [05:09] for a BSD system that is something too [05:09] jsgotangco, when you run totem, are you see this? The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'. [05:09] amongst other error outputs [05:10] totem runs fine [05:10] hmm [05:10] do you have any codecs installed? [05:10] i dont use totem heh [05:17] jsgotangco: In the current package, I'm running make gdeb. [05:17] What's the right thing to people the scrollkeeper bits now? [05:18] err [05:18] make an omf file [05:18] and have it registered in the sk db [05:19] 'k. [05:19] So if I take the faqguide omf. [05:19] I'll chew it with dh_scrollkeeper. [05:19] Do I need to do anything to tell it additionally how to find itself in yelp? [05:20] (by section or whatnot?) [05:20] err [05:20] wait a bit [05:21] [05:21] on the omf file [05:23] http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2005-September/003433.html [05:25] Ah, nice. That's from a couple days before I subscribed. =) [05:25] I wonder if the omf files in here are all correct. [05:25] We'll see soon enough. =) [05:26] im sure they aren't [05:26] i think i did that thing when we still had html === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:32] ahha [05:33] I'm surprised translated documents get their own omf rather than a section in the doc. [05:34] ye [05:34] and each has its own series id [05:34] so we are going to keep the yelp front page as is an put an entry where Ubuntu Quick Guide is now for the FAQ Guide and Quicktour? [05:35] rob^, yeah but compared to others like RH and CentOS, our Yelp is way much better [05:36] I haven't even looked at those two in a long time [05:37] does scrollkeeper detect what language you are using and swap in the appropriate translation link? [05:37] not sure really i think that is gnome at work [05:38] that's why we have %language parameters [05:38] ah ok, in the omf [05:40] has the latest pot been uploaded to rosetta yet? [05:41] gee some of the translations still have a while to go, hopefully now that the pot is soughted out everything will start to happen [05:42] sorted* === JonnyRo [n=jonnyro@81.162.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:13] jbailey: it doesn't work :) [06:13] I hibernate [06:13] and when it boots, it just boots normally [06:14] HrdwrBoB: ARe you on that system now? [06:14] it's sitting here, yes [06:14] Hello [06:15] What's the last line of /proc/swaps? [06:16] /dev/hda5 partition 722884 99292 -1 [06:17] Are you on i386 / amd64? [06:17] yeah i386 [06:18] it's an X40 [06:18] cat /sys/power/resume [06:18] I don't know what an X40 is. [06:18] IBM laptop [06:18] 3:5 [06:18] When did you last try a suspend? [06:18] err. hibernate [06:20] hm.. a while [06:20] I'll give it a ry [06:21] 'cause everything there looks right. =) [06:22] heh, works now :) [06:23] Oh good. =) [06:24] it didn't work about a month or so (I think) ago [06:24] I just use suspend anyway, not much point in hibernating the laptop [06:35] Hey, it even seems to work. [06:35] just sans networking === Skywind [n=Skywind@218.104.86.222] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:36] Hmm? [06:36] Oh, I meant the docbook. = ) [06:36] Entity errors galore. [06:36] But I can fix those tomorrow. [06:37] oh heh [06:37] have fun =) [06:38] jsgotangco: Always! =) [06:38] the svn structure isn't package friendly really [06:38] So quicktour stays as html. Does it need to go into yelp as well with an omf file, or is doc-base good enough? [06:41] hmmm i can't say [06:41] No worries. [06:41] Someone will file a bug. =) [06:43] "Unofficial Ubuntu 5.10 Starter Guide" [06:43] Why is it Unofficial? =) [06:43] jbailey, that is from the ubuntuguide website [06:43] and a really really stupid bug [06:44] 'k =) [06:45] jbailey, lets talk about UBZ about making our archive package friendlyu === jsgotangco filled with envy [06:46] Burglaptop: I may not be awake enough to have this conversation atm... [06:46] jbailey, UBZ, you, me, talking [06:46] jbailey, that is all you need to remember [06:46] lol [06:46] Ah. Is that first about supposed to be "at"? [06:46] jbailey's always around during BOFs anyways [06:47] jsgotangco: That because they schedule me for *every* *freaking* *one* [06:47] My schedule at UDU was insane. [06:47] ahh i thought you were just loving every bof during UDU [06:47] And I was in demand once people figured out that I don't mind taking notes. [06:48] lol [06:49] jsgotangco: Well, my technique is usually to take everything people say verbatum, and then reduce later. =) [06:50] ahh kernel update [06:50] brb reboot [06:53] Burglaptop: Actually, can you setup a bof for it? [06:53] List you as primary, me as secondary. [06:53] jbailey: you expect to be at most BOFs for UBZ as well? === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:54] ajmitch: Well, I was hardly at "most bofs" since there were like 5 at once [06:54] :) [06:54] But yes, I expect that my slate will be full. [06:54] ok, scheduled for most [06:54] I'll probably have a nice easy time of things :) [06:54] ajmitch: The problem is that being support and distro means I have twice as many as I'd expect. [06:54] If I'm doing docteam stuff as well, that increases it. [06:55] And I might ask to go to bzr related bofs. [06:55] you volunteer for far too much work [06:55] I'll try & make it to docteam bofs, I think [06:56] and I'll share my notes with you :) [06:56] Aww, thanks. =) [06:56] Hmm. [06:56] I should probably commit fixes to both branch and trunk. [06:56] plug in a microphone into the laptop [06:56] transcribe later [06:56] trunk can wait until I'm actually awake, though. [06:56] No, a microphone is a horrible idea. [06:56] 1) People clam up. [06:56] 2) Then you have to listen to it *twice* [06:56] true [06:56] otherwise you ahev to type/write fast to keep up [06:57] s/ahev/have/ [06:57] my typing has gone downhill lately :) [06:57] Not generally a problem. [06:57] You need to IRC more. =) [06:58] because I obviously don't spend enough time on irc? [06:58] Clearly. ;) [06:58] jbailey, can do [06:58] I just have to hope you don't join any more channels, it makes it hard to stalk you with a 20 channel limit ;) [06:58] Burglaptop: Thanks. [06:59] ajmitch: Dude, I have 3 freenode accounts. =0 [06:59] =) [06:59] worrying === ajmitch only has 1 he regularly uses === Burglaptop has 2 [07:00] I'm almost always in on 2 of them. [07:00] I've only seen 2, I think [07:00] Thinking of which, anyone here know how to close a query window in irssi-text? [07:00] ajmitch: Right, the other one is a Canonical internal. [07:00] makes sense [07:00] hmm, what happened to the spec template? [07:01] Yeah. sometime I have to actually work and get things done =) [07:01] Burglaptop: It seemed fine this morning. [07:01] when I did LocalesThatDontSuck [07:02] where is it? [07:02] most people seem to leave the status line in their specs very messy [07:03] that can get cleaned up as the bofs get more polished [07:03] Burglaptop: If you create a page that doesn't exist, doesn't it show up in the list of templates? [07:03] I think they'd like that - makes it easier to search for edited specs, for example [07:04] yes it does [07:06] jsgotangco, should we bof SVNtoBaz [07:06] yes [07:06] but i'd rather go Bzr really [07:06] jsgotangco: bzr is shaping up nicely, but it might delay migration a bit [07:07] whatever [07:07] bzr isn't useful yet atm. [07:07] we got a braindump spec for that yet? [07:07] Not for group develpoment like this. [07:07] no [07:07] Honestly, folks, stick with svn until bzr is ready. [07:07] jbailey: maybe with pqm [07:07] Burglaptop, we need to dump what you're going to slave to during UBZ [07:07] ajmitch: Yeah. [07:07] ajmitch: Have you used pqm? [07:07] jbailey, sure our svn just needs cleanup really [07:08] Yup [07:08] jbailey: nope [07:08] jbailey: haven't had a chance to yet :) [07:09] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocsPackaging [07:09] jbailey, I have no idea what is needed for packaging, so add as needed [07:10] i thought specs are to be created thru lp? [07:10] jsgotangco: if so, we haven't been told [07:10] our wiki is so slow atm [07:11] jsgotangco, I don;t think that part is fully hooked up right now === ajmitch is *still* trying to save that spec page [07:12] hopefully I don't conflict with anyone [07:12] hm yes [07:12] must protect jeff's hair :) [07:12] Hmm, so randomly portugues and tl.. Tagalog? [07:13] aren't coming up right. [07:13] All the other languages that already have omf files do. [07:13] I'll figure out how to make the rest of the omf files in the morning, I think. [07:13] tl doesn't?? [07:13] No idea why. [07:13] The omf file looks right. [07:13] those are still the old docs right? [07:14] I think so, yeah. [07:14] or the translated ones from rosetta already [07:14] Old, by the looks of it. [07:14] But I can't read tagalog. =) [07:14] A bunch of the others that I can read appear to be old. === Burglaptop just discovered that alt allows reordering of windows in xchat [07:16] Burglaptop, hold down alt and drag the tabs, or what? [07:17] alt and then click left and right arrow keys [07:17] discovered when I tried to move virtual desktops [07:17] sweet - thanks [07:17] After this, I still need to point firefox and epiphany at a document in ubuntu-docs, tie in kubuntu-docs, edubuntu-docs and do the release notes, rights? [07:17] Did I miss anything? === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:18] jbailey, my hero [07:18] \o/ [07:19] Sorry for being slow on this, guys. [07:19] jbailey, its ok [07:19] jbailey, slow would be Oct 14th [07:19] jbailey: don't worry, you're helping a lot more than I am :) [07:19] you were loaded [07:19] jsgotangco, umm... [07:20] jsgotangco, if you mean overloaded, that is fine. Loaded means drunk [07:20] jbailey's usually drunk when i catch him [07:20] Eh, that's because it's in the middle of the night on a weekend, usually. [07:21] heh [07:21] I try not to 1) Be awake when you are during the week. 2) Drink during the week. [07:21] Both are bad fu. =) [07:22] Anyone want to proof this package for me in case I've done something stupid? [07:25] feed me [07:27] jsgotangco, do you see evince on the list of applications to open something? [07:27] jsgotangco, need to confirm before I file a bug [07:27] a pdf? [07:27] no, right click on anything and choose "another application" [07:27] open with "Document Viewer" opens up Evince [07:27] look for evince or document viewer [07:28] I don't see either entry [07:28] right file a bug [07:28] ROAR I HATE THE NEW NANO [07:28] it sees my acrobat [07:33] jsgotangco: http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/ubuntu-docs_5.10-2_all.deb [07:34] will this bork the current ubuntu-docs? [07:34] It replaces the current one. [07:34] So, I guess, yes, in a sense. =) [07:35] arghh [07:35] it'll make ubuntu-desktop uninstallable [07:35] Why is that bad? [07:35] Oh, it shouldn't make it uninstallable. [07:35] The package still exists. [07:36] no worries, this unit is meant to have borked stuff [07:36] Well, if you don't find any bugs in the next 5 minutes, I'm uploading it to main. =) [07:36] aha [07:36] hmm [07:36] where is the logo? [07:36] logo? =) [07:37] On what page? =) [07:37] About Ubuntu has a logo [07:37] why is it Unofficial? [07:37] I asked that earlier. =) === Burglaptop shakes his fist at ajmitch for not filling out an edit summary [07:37] This document aims at answering questions that are asked frequently. It contains Wiki entries from the ubuntulinux.org web site, the mailing lists and all contribution that we received through the Ubuntu Bugzilla. [07:38] should be ubuntu.com [07:38] Mm. [07:38] Can that still be changed, even in stringfreeze? [07:38] you're just editing the omf file! [07:38] Eh? [07:38] I'm using the ones that are generally there. [07:38] Is that bad? [07:39] the omf is trivial an can be changed as needed [07:39] Okay. [07:39] but as i see it now, it works [07:39] =) [07:40] Lemme dig up that logo for you. =) [07:40] About Ubuntu [07:40] Short description of the Hoary Ubuntu system [07:40] [07:40] Is the logo really *per language*? [07:40] Could be editged as "Short description of Ubuntu 5.10 [07:40] if you change it to C it'll work [07:40] jsgotangco: Do you have a branch checkout handy? [07:40] yeah [07:41] i have branch [07:41] I've commited everything to date. [07:41] just svn up [07:41] ok let me check [07:42] Oh, I see. [07:42] i should be looking at? [07:43] It includes the "linux for human beings" text. [07:43] oh you want me to edit the omf [07:43] Just if you wanted to edit the text directly, I can update to it before uplodaing. [07:43] Do you midn? [07:43] Otherwise I 'll do it after I sort out the images. [07:45] I don't like "Short description" [07:45] hmmm [07:47] Burglaptop: hm? :) [07:47] Burglaptop: all I did was add my name to it, honest! :) [07:48] ajmitch, yes, and if you add an edit summary, I don't need to see the diff on our slow wiki to see that [07:48] jbailey, ok i've edited some of the omf files to have relevant descriptions just upload when you're free thanks [07:49] Am I allowed to alter the xml file so that the image points to the right place? [07:49] jbailey: you currently keep the packaging completely separate? [07:49] ajmitch: No, not yet. [07:49] It's just a debian/ in the root of the tree. [07:49] jbailey, we'll hvae to do that with every translated doc for sure [07:50] jsgotangco: Right, but how do I make sure that whoever is merging the pofile doesn't clobber it? [07:50] jsgotangco: Got your updates, thanks. [07:50] jbailey: not in svn? [07:50] no idea [07:50] ajmitch: This sentence no verb. === cyclotron6 [n=chris@c-67-168-8-204.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:50] jsgotangco: a'ight. I'll fix it for now and sort it out tomorrow. =) [07:51] jbailey: the debian/ dir that you are using is not in the ubuntu-docs trunk? :) [07:51] ajmitch: Right, it's only on the branch atm. [07:51] can anyone help me with ndiswrapper issues [07:51] can't we just say Ubuntu 5.10 FAQ Guide instead of adding Unofficial?? [07:51] cyclotron6, #ubuntu [07:51] jbailey: ah, I don't have any branches checked out.. [07:51] ajmitch: I'm doing the work there so that we can do more invasive things on the trunk if we feel like. [07:51] thx [07:51] ajmitch: https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/breezy [07:52] yep, thanks :) [07:53] ajmitch: Thinking of hair, most of the blue has fallen out now, but I'm planning on having it redone shortly efore ubz. =) [07:54] heh [07:54] jsgotangco: I've uploaded a newer version of the apckage to the same location, with your fixes, with a logo. [07:54] okay [07:55] Lesse if I can reduce some of these entity errors. [07:55] Murphy is a bastard... I seem to get "authentication database is temporarily unavailable" from with wiki just when I find something that needs attention... ;) [07:55] *from the wiki, that is... === MadpilotPPC blames the beer... [07:55] MadpilotPPC: weekly launchpad update, I just saw ;) [07:56] Ah, I need to pull in libs/global.ent [07:56] yelp has a bug [07:56] hmmm [07:57] oh the entities... [07:57] More paths to tweak [08:01] Oh, I see. [08:01] Suck. [08:01] I need to be more awake to do this. [08:01] I'll upload what I have now. [08:01] Noone runs 'yelp' from the command line, so I'll have it fixed before it's seriously noticed. [08:02] But what I think I want to do is see whether or not it's possible when defining an external entity if it can be done according to a search path. [08:02] That way the source tree and the destination layout aren't so tightly bound. [08:02] In the meantime, any last objections before I bake this?> [08:02]