| ajmitch | ok | 12:04 |
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| ajmitch | there's plenty of that in universe :) | 12:04 |
| dholbach | :) | 12:05 |
| ajmitch | how about those apps that aren't part of the desktop, but are like f-spot, beagle, etc? | 12:05 |
| ogra | heh, the announcement produced a incredible long thread... | 12:06 |
| ajmitch | already? | 12:06 |
| dholbach | i guess it'll grow a BIGBIGBIG list | 12:06 |
| dholbach | ogra: goswin's law | 12:06 |
| ogra | unfortuantely not about the announcement :) | 12:06 |
| ajmitch | ogra: of course not | 12:06 |
| ogra | humans are silly :) | 12:07 |
| ogra | sometimes | 12:07 |
| dholbach | godwins law... | 12:07 |
| dholbach | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_Law :) | 12:07 |
| ajmitch | can someone ship me some spare time? | 12:08 |
| === ogra looks.... | ||
| ogra | sorry... got none over here | 12:10 |
| ajmitch | :( | 12:12 |
| ajmitch | surely dholbach will have some to spare | 12:13 |
| dholbach | of course | 12:13 |
| ajmitch | great | 12:13 |
| dholbach | i'm just sitting around... bored, with too much time | 12:13 |
| ajmitch | that's a shame | 12:14 |
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| slomo | dholbach: can you please look at mosml? i splitted it now... so when you're ok with it i can upload :) | 12:15 |
| dholbach | how long will you still be here? | 12:16 |
| slomo | dholbach: one hour maybe | 12:16 |
| dholbach | ok | 12:16 |
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| ajmitch | silly me, i forgot to upload my wx 2.6 fix to smooth upgrades from hoary | 12:17 |
| dholbach | slomo: it's not up yet, is it? | 12:19 |
| slomo | nope... | 12:19 |
| slomo | maybe at 00:20 | 12:20 |
| slomo | i uploaded it 3 minutes ago... so maybe i just missed the cronjob | 12:20 |
| slomo | and i tested the package with this split and everything works... the stuff in /usr/lib seems to be all needed | 12:21 |
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| slomo | dholbach: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=659 | 12:27 |
| === ajmitch wonders if it's worth fixing zope-ldap | ||
| ajmitch | considering its last upstream release was in 2000 | 12:28 |
| ajmitch | and it's orphaned in debian | 12:28 |
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| dholbach | slomo: advocated, made a note to it | 12:45 |
| bmonty | ajmitch: thats a good point, shouldn't there be a policy on how long universe will support non-developed packages?? especially if they never had a 1.0 release! | 12:46 |
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| dholbach | slomo: advocated, made a note to it | 12:47 |
| ajmitch | bmonty: this is one for me to discuss with the zope team :) | 12:47 |
| ajmitch | but it's something we have to talk about | 12:48 |
| ajmitch | maybe at the next MOTU meeting | 12:48 |
| ajmitch | or UBZ | 12:48 |
| slomo | dholbach: the dependencies are that way for other -dev and -doc packages too ;) | 12:48 |
| slomo | dholbach: uploaded | 12:48 |
| bmonty | yeah, right now I just use the common sense test....how long has the package been unmaintained, and is it important, or is the functionality provided better by some other package | 12:48 |
| dholbach | slomo: the versioned dependencies :) | 12:49 |
| dholbach | but it's ok | 12:49 |
| slomo | dholbach: this mosml (= ${Source-Version}) ? | 12:49 |
| bmonty | off topic question: is anyone using a "single sign-on" solution on their network (i.e. kerberos, NIS), I'm looking to implement one and I'm interested in hearing recommendations | 12:49 |
| dholbach | yep | 12:50 |
| slomo | dholbach: that's afaik standard for such packages | 12:50 |
| dholbach | slomo: and the -doc package depended on the -dev package? | 12:50 |
| slomo | dholbach: ok, so now we have perfect sml support ;) | 12:51 |
| slomo | dholbach: the doc package doesn't make sense without the dev package | 12:51 |
| ajmitch | bmonty: for zope, we have to consider if the packages work with the supported zope versions (2.7, 2.8) | 12:51 |
| dholbach | slomo: i sometimes install doc packages just to be able to have a proper look at them | 12:51 |
| dholbach | slomo: but that's your choice | 12:52 |
| slomo | dholbach: hmm... so maybe a recommend is better? | 12:52 |
| bmonty | ajmitch: I agree with that...I'm not a zope expert, but what if ldap is something that nobody uses with zope, should universe continue to support it? | 12:52 |
| dholbach | slomo: yeah, i think so | 12:52 |
| dholbach | slomo: but it's OK the way it is | 12:52 |
| slomo | hm, next upload :) | 12:53 |
| Nafallo | slomo: -doc on the client when I'm configuring the server most often :-). | 12:53 |
| dholbach | good night everybody | 12:57 |
| slomo | gn8 :) | 12:57 |
| slomo | good night everybody | 12:58 |
| mbreit | night everybody | 12:58 |
| phlaegel | anybody around who works on php4 packages? | 12:59 |
| slomo | _the_ php4 packages or just some php4 packages? | 12:59 |
| phlaegel | _the_ | 01:00 |
| slomo | infinity | 01:00 |
| tseng | infinity doesnt want them | 01:00 |
| tseng | aiui | 01:00 |
| phlaegel | who would? ;-) | 01:00 |
| tseng | not me | 01:00 |
| tseng | i ported to php5 | 01:00 |
| slomo | hmm... he told me to not touch the php4 packages without asking him ;) | 01:00 |
| phlaegel | I just need it for mythweb | 01:00 |
| tseng | slomo: oh | 01:01 |
| tseng | phlaegel: it cant work with 5? | 01:01 |
| phlaegel | dunno, it depends on 4 | 01:01 |
| slomo | well... good night ;) | 01:01 |
| tseng | most stuff should depend on 4 | 5 now if we can | 01:01 |
| tseng | please submit debdiffs | 01:01 |
| phlaegel | ok, it seems to work on php5 | 01:14 |
| tseng | right | 01:14 |
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| phlaegel | ok, how would I make a debdiff for this (I'm new to packaging, but would like to learn) | 01:32 |
| phlaegel | I've installed debdiff and wdiff and that works | 01:32 |
| phlaegel | but I'm not sure how the dependencies should work | 01:33 |
| \sh | debdiff package_old.dsc package_new.dsc > <name of diff> | 01:33 |
| \sh | but officially I'm sleeping | 01:33 |
| phlaegel | heh | 01:33 |
| \sh | apt-file (2.0.7ubuntu5) breezy; urgency=low | 01:34 |
| \sh | . | 01:34 |
| \sh | The "Don't read eMail after you woke up" Fix | 01:34 |
| \sh | * Fixed a spelling typo (see Malone #2502) | 01:34 |
| \sh | eeks | 01:34 |
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| ajmitch | \sh: impressive :) | 01:40 |
| \sh | it is *eg* | 01:40 |
| \sh | back to sleep...my nightmare doesn't come back I think | 01:46 |
| crimsun | night, sh | 01:47 |
| Riddell | once I've uploaded a package how can I remove it from revu? | 02:12 |
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| ajmitch | hello bddebian | 03:06 |
| bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 03:06 |
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| abarbaccia | hey is anybody here in control of the mythtv-themes package | 03:09 |
| Lathiat | Whats up with it | 03:09 |
| ajmitch | hi Lathiat | 03:11 |
| ajmitch | Lathiat: got avahi? | 03:11 |
| abarbaccia | Lathiat, its not there! | 03:16 |
| abarbaccia | its referenced but not there - one of those ya know - but its needed because i only have 2 of my themes now that i upgraded | 03:16 |
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| tambaqui | :) | 03:21 |
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| abarbaccia | can someone create that package and upload it? | 03:24 |
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| abarbaccia | or if somenoe wants to tell me how to i would love to help out | 03:25 |
| Lathiat | abarbaccia: Does it exist in debian? | 03:27 |
| abarbaccia | um, not sure - probably does | 03:28 |
| abarbaccia | i mean, the package depends on nothing | 03:28 |
| abarbaccia | it just moves folders into appropriate places | 03:28 |
| abarbaccia | no changing files or anything | 03:28 |
| abarbaccia | it just needs to be there to get the other 5 themes | 03:28 |
| Lathiat | You mean, the themes are there but they are in the wrong spot? | 03:29 |
| abarbaccia | no | 03:32 |
| abarbaccia | before the themes were all in the main package | 03:32 |
| abarbaccia | they took them out to save space and made a theme package | 03:32 |
| abarbaccia | which has the majority of them | 03:32 |
| abarbaccia | in the main package it only has like 2 | 03:32 |
| abarbaccia | the other 5 official ones are in this theme package | 03:32 |
| ajmitch | Lathiat: mdz' package probably has them | 03:32 |
| ajmitch | if I can recall the url for his packages :) | 03:33 |
| ajmitch | ok, google worked | 03:33 |
| abarbaccia | i mean, it should be in the official repos right? | 03:33 |
| ajmitch | http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/binary-all/ | 03:33 |
| abarbaccia | NO | 03:33 |
| abarbaccia | i hate that repo | 03:33 |
| ajmitch | looks like we can grab it | 03:33 |
| abarbaccia | well, we can take that one package | 03:33 |
| ajmitch | abarbaccia: get over it :P | 03:33 |
| abarbaccia | but he has stuff in there thats all wrong | 03:33 |
| ajmitch | he's the debian packager | 03:34 |
| abarbaccia | well, you can tell him he compiled the transcode daemon without transcode on his system and i answer emails all the time from my site about "why isnt it working" | 03:34 |
| ajmitch | what do you think is wrong there? | 03:34 |
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| abarbaccia | lets just grab the package - i like sticking to official ubuntu repos | 03:35 |
| abarbaccia | just a lil pet peeve of mine | 03:35 |
| ajmitch | considering he's one of the main ubuntu developers.. | 03:35 |
| abarbaccia | hahaha | 03:35 |
| abarbaccia | i apprecaite his work a lot - its just funny | 03:36 |
| abarbaccia | i knew that was the repo u were talking about | 03:36 |
| abarbaccia | i run a site on getting mythtv running on ubuntu | 03:36 |
| abarbaccia | and people ALWAYS email me about that - and in the site i tell them that's what's wrong and why to stick to the sources i outlined | 03:37 |
| abarbaccia | but they dont listen | 03:37 |
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| === ajmitch notes that transcode is in multiverse for breezy - stuff that depends on it should be in there too | ||
| bddebian | ajmitch: I thought you didn't do any of this stuff?? ;-P | 03:49 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: I don't | 03:49 |
| ajmitch | I just lurk on irc & be a nuisance | 03:50 |
| bddebian | Heh | 03:50 |
| ajmitch | you didn't think I was actually useful, did you? | 03:52 |
| bddebian | I don't think, I KNOW :-) | 03:52 |
| ajmitch | you know that I'm not? you'd be right there ;) | 03:53 |
| bddebian | NO, I KNOW that you ARE! beeatch | 03:55 |
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| bmonty | anyone here? | 04:51 |
| bddebian | Nope :-) | 04:52 |
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| bmonty | I've got a debdiff on #2518, but check out the comment on the page where you can change the bug status | 04:54 |
| bmonty | bddebian: can you check out the debdiff? | 05:07 |
| bddebian | bmonty: Sure give me sec | 05:11 |
| bmonty | thanks | 05:11 |
| bddebian | bmonty: OK. | 05:12 |
| bddebian | Oh, wait | 05:14 |
| bddebian | You mean from siretart about uploading with another bugfix? | 05:14 |
| bmonty | bddebian: yeah, but I can't find the other bug | 05:15 |
| bddebian | Have you pinged him? Or checked the current changelog? :-) | 05:16 |
| bmonty | siretart is marked away, but I can check the changelog | 05:16 |
| bmonty | he did two uploads on 25 Sep to fix gcc 4.0 and python dependencies....I would guess he forgot about the desktop file | 05:18 |
| bddebian | Aye, kinda looks that way :-) | 05:18 |
| bmonty | I'll probably have another one in a couple minutes..... | 05:25 |
| bddebian | bmonty: OK. I probably won't be able to upload until morning though | 05:26 |
| bmonty | no problem...the other one will be #738, I'm testing the package with a desktop file right now | 05:27 |
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| bmonty | bddebian: #2518 and #738 have debdiffs ready for upload | 05:44 |
| bmonty | night everyone | 05:50 |
| bddebian | Gnight bmonty Good work | 05:58 |
| xerxas | bood night | 06:12 |
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| \sh | moins | 07:57 |
| ajmitch | morning \sh | 07:58 |
| ajmitch | more apt-file fixes to do? :) | 07:58 |
| \sh | lol..no..just woke up.. | 07:59 |
| ajmitch | well the last comment was that you should use wget, not curl :) | 07:59 |
| \sh | and got my first flash when I saw the new kernel and infinities fixes to libetpan which I don't understand | 07:59 |
| \sh | ajmitch: which is now the default and it pulls in the right deps | 08:00 |
| ajmitch | ok good | 08:00 |
| \sh | the last comment of the reporter was because of a spelling typo of "prefere" instead of the correct "prefer" | 08:03 |
| ajmitch | heh | 08:03 |
| \sh | ok..I think it's time to have a shower now and leaving for office | 08:03 |
| === ajmitch has just returned from office :) | ||
| \sh | the magic of TZs in our world | 08:04 |
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| \sh | cu a bit later from work :) | 08:05 |
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| ajmitch | uh.. | 08:35 |
| ajmitch | I wonder why my bug comment seems to be held for moderation now? | 08:36 |
| ajmitch | I guess malone has changed the from address now | 08:36 |
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| siretart | morning | 09:05 |
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| sivang | morning siretart | 09:09 |
| ajmitch | hi siretart | 09:13 |
| siretart | hi folks! :) | 09:13 |
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| \sh | re | 09:32 |
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| ajmitch | wb \sh | 09:32 |
| Treenaks | backslashsh | 09:32 |
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| ajmitch | \sh: ready for another day of work^Wbreezy hacking? :) | 09:35 |
| Treenaks | ajmitch: where can I get a job like that? :) | 09:36 |
| ajmitch | Treenaks: ask \sh ;) | 09:36 |
| Treenaks | \sh: ^^ | 09:36 |
| \sh | what? | 09:39 |
| \sh | what's the request? | 09:39 |
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| ivoks | hi | 09:41 |
| siretart | hi ivoks | 09:41 |
| ajmitch | \sh: a job that lets us work on ubuntu all day long :) | 09:41 |
| ajmitch | hi ivoks | 09:41 |
| \sh | ajmitch: hehehe :) | 09:41 |
| ivoks | so, everybody knows.. | 09:41 |
| \sh | ajmitch: not all day long ;) as you saw yesterday :) | 09:41 |
| ajmitch | ivoks: we know? | 09:41 |
| === ivoks is working on gdeb and gnome-apt | ||
| ivoks | to use sudo, instead su | 09:41 |
| ivoks | instead of su | 09:42 |
| ivoks | argh... it's still morning :) | 09:42 |
| ajmitch | heh | 09:42 |
| \sh | gnome-apt? gksu ? | 09:42 |
| ivoks | yeah.. | 09:42 |
| \sh | desktop file? | 09:42 |
| ivoks | nope | 09:43 |
| ivoks | C | 09:43 |
| \sh | eeks...I have to call the tax department :( | 09:43 |
| ivoks | it creates functions inside program | 09:43 |
| ajmitch | \sh: they want everything you own? | 09:44 |
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| \sh | ajmitch: sure ;) | 09:48 |
| ajmitch | well that's the purpose of tax departments ;) | 09:48 |
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| ajmitch | hm | 09:49 |
| ajmitch | someone saying they asked 'many times' in here for something to be synced, which hasn't been released yet? | 09:49 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 09:49 |
| ivoks | :) | 09:49 |
| jsgotangco | bad bad MOTU | 09:49 |
| jsgotangco | :) | 09:49 |
| ajmitch | :P | 09:50 |
| ivoks | argh | 09:50 |
| ivoks | i can't do this :) | 09:50 |
| jsgotangco | OT: does anyone have a clue how may ports BSD has | 09:51 |
| ajmitch | \sh: you are listed as having tested gcfilms? | 09:54 |
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| ajmitch | dholbach!! | 09:54 |
| dholbach | hi! | 09:54 |
| \sh | ajmitch: can be..I don't remeber ;) | 09:55 |
| ajmitch | \sh: you didn't ask for a sync of it? ;) | 09:55 |
| \sh | ajmitch: no not that I know of... | 09:55 |
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| ajmitch | \sh: I see it's been on that page for almost 2 months | 09:55 |
| ajmitch | no wonder he wrote to ubuntu-devel about it :) | 09:56 |
| \sh | ajmitch: who? | 09:56 |
| ajmitch | infinito, I think | 09:56 |
| \sh | ajmitch: wait | 09:56 |
| \sh | gcfilms had issues when I would be synced from debian...I tested it and it failed to build...I told infinito about this | 09:57 |
| ajmitch | ah ok | 09:57 |
| \sh | after that I didn't care about it anymore | 09:57 |
| ajmitch | heh | 09:57 |
| \sh | well..u know my age and the other work | 09:57 |
| ajmitch | yes, we can't help the elderly ;) | 09:57 |
| \sh | I have to make a mind-note to remind elmo to NEW libetpan3 | 09:57 |
| \sh | which replaces libetpan1 | 09:57 |
| ajmitch | tomboy is quite good | 09:58 |
| \sh | ajmitch: yeah using it..quite slow somehow | 09:58 |
| ajmitch | you just need a dual-core box :) | 09:58 |
| \sh | ajmitch: oh yes...please send me one ;) | 09:58 |
| infinito | excuse me... you were talking about gcfilms | 09:59 |
| ajmitch | haha | 09:59 |
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| ajmitch | infinito: we ewre | 09:59 |
| ajmitch | were, that is.. | 10:00 |
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| \sh | argl | 10:00 |
| infinito | i filled to MOTUToSync entry 'cause \sh told me problems we're solved with latest update (5.3) | 10:00 |
| infinito | but that was on july | 10:00 |
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| === siretart just tries to build gcfilms in breezy | ||
| infinito | 5.2 was missing a build-dep on debian/control, it's fixed now (in fact in july) | 10:01 |
| \sh | I told you it has problems... | 10:01 |
| \sh | but did i told you the problems were fixed? oh man...I'm old and mentally sick ;) | 10:01 |
| infinito | \sh: yes, you told me to fill te MOTUToSync entry with ++ | 10:02 |
| zyga | morning :) | 10:02 |
| \sh | infinito: sorry about it...I will put it on my list of syncs for today, ok? | 10:02 |
| infinito | \sh: thank you very much | 10:02 |
| ajmitch | it'd need resynced once 6.0 was out anyway :) | 10:02 |
| ajmitch | assuming that you get it released in the next week or so | 10:03 |
| \sh | infinito: you are whitelisted? | 10:03 |
| infinito | \sh: whitelisted? umm, dont know... maybe not | 10:03 |
| siretart | infinito: can you please comment on http://tiber.tauware.de/ | 10:04 |
| \sh | infinito: wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads <- section about whitelisting yourself for breezy changes | 10:04 |
| siretart | infinito: can you please comment on http://tiber.tauware.de/~siretart/gcfilms.buildlog | 10:04 |
| ajmitch | hm, doesn't look good :) | 10:05 |
| \sh | siretart: oergs | 10:05 |
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| ajmitch | siretart: btw I think LVM snapshots for the builds could be good :) | 10:05 |
| \sh | infinito: and your realname I need | 10:06 |
| \sh | I mean it's just postponed the sync | 10:06 |
| infinito | \sh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdolfoGonzalez | 10:07 |
| siretart | ajmitch: sure, that was suggested on debian-devel I think, too ;) | 10:07 |
| ajmitch | siretart: sure | 10:07 |
| ajmitch | siretart: I saw people talking about it in #d-d today also | 10:08 |
| siretart | oh. :) | 10:08 |
| ajmitch | and I know the pbuilder author was considering support for it | 10:08 |
| === \sh is frightend to join #d-d | ||
| \sh | ;) | 10:08 |
| ajmitch | \sh: hah | 10:08 |
| \sh | markuman: ping did u upload your key to the keyservers? | 10:09 |
| ajmitch | no CoC to maintain the peace there ;) | 10:09 |
| \sh | ajmitch: well...I think some mainainers of debian don't like me | 10:09 |
| siretart | \sh: it's a quite busy channel. imo way more busy than #u-devel | 10:09 |
| ajmitch | \sh: quite probably | 10:10 |
| ajmitch | \sh: MOTUs do quick fixes :) | 10:10 |
| \sh | well...anyways..brb cause of real life work :) | 10:10 |
| ajmitch | ok :) | 10:10 |
| infinito | siretart: the problem it's that we have a _ugly_ hack on install script to check permissions before installing | 10:12 |
| infinito | siretart: if you don't have permission to write on /tmp, the .png file wont get installed, so the build fails | 10:12 |
| infinito | i think | 10:12 |
| infinito | but i got a question, why it works on debian (sid and etch) and doesn't work on ubuntu? | 10:13 |
| ivoks | i give up | 10:15 |
| ajmitch | infinito: sorry, but it doesn't work on sid for me either | 10:15 |
| ivoks | what? | 10:15 |
| ajmitch | infinito: although my sid is a chroot setup | 10:16 |
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| ajmitch | infinito: which could possibly be what is causing it (it would cause it to break on buildds as well) | 10:16 |
| infinito | ajmitch: maybe (just maybe) in buildds, user have no permission to write in /usr/share/pixmaps, which i think is the problem | 10:17 |
| ajmitch | infinito: umm | 10:17 |
| ivoks | ?? | 10:18 |
| ajmitch | packages should *never* install stuff into /usr | 10:18 |
| ajmitch | when building | 10:18 |
| ivoks | bad packaging, bad... :/ | 10:18 |
| infinito | the install script just checks for permission there, but doesn't install anything, i think | 10:18 |
| ajmitch | that's why makefiles respect DESTDIR & install there | 10:18 |
| ajmitch | copy 'share/gcfilms/icons/gcfilms_logo128.png', '/usr/share/pixmaps/gcfilms.png' | 10:19 |
| ajmitch | if (-w '/usr/share/pixmaps'); | 10:19 |
| infinito | our install script, not the debian packaging | 10:19 |
| ajmitch | yes | 10:19 |
| ajmitch | that's your install script | 10:19 |
| ajmitch | which the debian packaging uses | 10:19 |
| infinito | we just wanted a clean way to add the .desktop file for the application, if you have permissions, the .desktop file will be installed | 10:20 |
| infinito | but maybe we should remove that... | 10:21 |
| ivoks | infinito: $(prefix) | 10:21 |
| ivoks | you should use $(prefix)/share/pixmaps/ | 10:21 |
| ivoks | if someone wants to install it in /opt | 10:21 |
| ivoks | you can't put anything outside /opt | 10:21 |
| ivoks | that's why building fails on every debian system | 10:22 |
| ajmitch | it would succeed if you built as root | 10:22 |
| ivoks | yes :/ | 10:22 |
| ajmitch | this is why building as root is unsafe :) | 10:22 |
| ivoks | but it wouldn't install where I want | 10:23 |
| ajmitch | a simple misplaced rm in a makefile could be very dangerous :) | 10:23 |
| infinito | i know | 10:23 |
| ivoks | :> | 10:23 |
| siretart | infinito: debian allows binary uploads. in ubuntu, we only have sourceful uploads. and we cannot include/update your package if it does not build | 10:23 |
| ivoks | gr.. | 10:24 |
| ivoks | pida has transparent icon :/ | 10:24 |
| infinito | i just thought adding a .desktop file to /usr/share/applications was good to the final user, but i was wrong | 10:24 |
| siretart | infinito: this is gernerally a good idea, but better let this do the packaging scripts | 10:25 |
| infinito | siretart: i know, but our .tar.gz was downloaded more times that the pkgd versions, so we wanted people to have an easy way to access gcfilms when it was installed | 10:26 |
| siretart | infinito: this is not a problem. The packaging script can patch this call out and replace it with a 'safe' call/version | 10:26 |
| === ajmitch thinks we should 'talk' to the debian packager ;) | ||
| infinito | siretart: anyway, i thought the debian packager had fixed those problems.... | 10:28 |
| \sh | infinito: the right way to install your .desktop file or your png should be in your makefile like this: $(INSTALL) share/gcfilms/icons/gcfilms_logo128.png $(DESTDIR)$(PREFIX)/share/gcfilms/icons/gcfilms_logo128.png | 10:28 |
| ajmitch | infinito: no, there's a release-critical bug in debian about this as well | 10:28 |
| ajmitch | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=326229 | 10:28 |
| \sh | $(INSTALL) share/applications/gcfilms.desktop $(DESTDIR)$(PREFIX)share/applications/gcfilms.desktop | 10:29 |
| ajmitch | \sh: it's a perl script, rather than make | 10:29 |
| \sh | ajmitch: eeks | 10:29 |
| ajmitch | :D | 10:29 |
| \sh | ajmitch: perl packages are honoring DESTDIR with MakeMaker or what the bloody module is named ;) | 10:30 |
| infinito | ummm, anyway, if you don't have permission to write at /usr/sshare/pixmaps, the script wont fail | 10:30 |
| \sh | infinito: which is wrong... | 10:30 |
| \sh | infinito: when I'm installing into another $(PREFIX) there is no /usr/ | 10:31 |
| \sh | infinito: installing a package means, via root normally when "root" is installing it systemwide | 10:31 |
| \sh | infinito: installing the package as user means: no systemwide, no root, no permissions for /usr/ | 10:31 |
| infinito | ok, what we do is, if you're allowed to write at /usr/share/applications, then the .desktop file goes there | 10:32 |
| \sh | and this is no debian packaging bug..:) | 10:32 |
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| infinito | if not, the .desktop file goes to ~/.local/sahre/applications | 10:32 |
| \sh | infinito: when you compile gnome or kde looking for .desktop files in /opt/bla/foo/desktopfiles ? | 10:32 |
| \sh | infinito: how are you fulfilling this request | 10:32 |
| \sh | ? | 10:32 |
| ajmitch | infinito: the install script really should honour prefix | 10:32 |
| infinito | yes, i see, i'm gonna change it and commit it to cvs | 10:33 |
| \sh | ok...datacenter work...bbl | 10:34 |
| ivoks | but the worst thing about debian's #326229 | 10:34 |
| ivoks | is that packages says everything is ok :) | 10:35 |
| ivoks | packager | 10:35 |
| ajmitch | yeah.. | 10:35 |
| ivoks | i'll send him an email | 10:36 |
| ivoks | :) | 10:36 |
| infinito | so.... what is the best way to fix it? | 10:37 |
| siretart | infinito: make your install script honor $DESTDIR | 10:39 |
| infinito | ummm, i think it fails not for the .desktop and .png installing... | 10:39 |
| infinito | it fails when checking permissions on $PREFIX | 10:39 |
| ajmitch | hah nice, zope upstream is using rosetta for translations :) | 10:40 |
| siretart | perhaps it is a confusing error message that the specified dir does not exist (yet)? | 10:40 |
| siretart | in this case a mkdir would help | 10:40 |
| siretart | perhaps calling install -D helps, too | 10:40 |
| infinito | we do this: | 10:41 |
| infinito | eval 'mkpath $dir' if (! -e $dir); | 10:41 |
| infinito | if (-w $dir && !$@) | 10:41 |
| infinito | and there build fails | 10:42 |
| infinito | not sure why... | 10:42 |
| siretart | strange | 10:42 |
| === siretart no perl guru | ||
| === infinito neither ;) | ||
| markuman | siretart, i have send you an email because revu, but the mail arrived at sebastian d. (slomo?)? | 10:43 |
| infinito | buildds try to install on /tmp/buildd/gcfilms-5.3/debian/gcfilms/usr, and it should have write perms there, so dont know what's happening | 10:44 |
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| dholbach | anyone wants to investigate if it's worth getting a new mergeant in? Malone 2383? | 10:45 |
| ivoks | if it's a year old... | 10:48 |
| ivoks | and builds/works ok... | 10:48 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: how many libs would it pull in? | 10:48 |
| ajmitch | ivoks: new package, not the one in debian | 10:48 |
| dholbach | i think it want libgnomedb and libgda | 10:48 |
| dholbach | which are in main | 10:48 |
| ajmitch | they're the right version? | 10:48 |
| dholbach | so we'll have to have a look what is possible | 10:48 |
| dholbach | there was an announce of 1.99 or something | 10:49 |
| dholbach | 1.9.99 | 10:49 |
| ajmitch | mergeant 0.62 is latest | 10:49 |
| dholbach | they'll hit 2.0 soon (the libs) | 10:49 |
| dholbach | libgda / libgnomedb | 10:49 |
| === ajmitch is fetching mergeant source now | ||
| ajmitch | dholbach: yes, but they're frozen in main :) | 10:49 |
| ivoks | :) | 10:49 |
| ajmitch | PKG_CHECK_MODULES(MERGEANT, libgnomedb-2.0 >= 1.3.90 \ libgda-2.0 >= 1.3.90 \ | 10:50 |
| dholbach | yeah, so we have to check | 10:50 |
| ajmitch | we have 1.2.1 | 10:50 |
| ajmitch | so you'd have to give a *great* reason for upgrading those :) | 10:51 |
| ajmitch | even though gnome has a general uvf exception, I think caution is good :) | 10:51 |
| dholbach | absolutely | 10:51 |
| ajmitch | although the only rdepends in breezy is mergeant | 10:51 |
| dholbach | hm? | 10:52 |
| dholbach | then why is it in main? | 10:52 |
| ajmitch | libgda2-3 has far more rdepends | 10:52 |
| koke | humm, I was checking the changelog and I've find a patch from me that I can't remember :) | 10:52 |
| dholbach | yeah | 10:52 |
| ajmitch | hey koke | 10:53 |
| dholbach | koke, nice to see you | 10:53 |
| ivoks | :) | 10:53 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: including libgnome-cil, so if you break mono stuff you'll get the wrath of the mono team ;) | 10:53 |
| dholbach | i see | 10:53 |
| dholbach | :) | 10:53 |
| dholbach | GDA BREAKAGE! :) | 10:53 |
| === ajmitch sends tseng & slomo after dholbach | ||
| ivoks | hm | 10:54 |
| ivoks | meld: Depends: python (< 2.4) | 10:54 |
| ajmitch | eh? | 10:55 |
| ivoks | old one doesn't work | 10:55 |
| ivoks | new one depends on <2.4 :) | 10:55 |
| ajmitch | ivoks: new one being the one in sid? | 10:55 |
| ivoks | yes | 10:55 |
| ajmitch | then of course it'll have that depend :) | 10:55 |
| ivoks | :) | 10:56 |
| ivoks | can we repackage it to depend on python2.3? | 10:56 |
| ajmitch | no | 10:56 |
| ivoks | ok | 10:56 |
| ajmitch | we repackage it to depend on python (>= 2.4), python (<< 2.5) | 10:56 |
| ajmitch | once it is tested to work ok on 2.4 | 10:56 |
| ivoks | ah, ok | 10:57 |
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| ajmitch | ivoks: no open bugs in gnome bugzilla about failure with 2.4, so it should be safe | 10:58 |
| ivoks | ok | 10:58 |
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| ivoks | ok, this needs only sync from debian | 11:01 |
| ivoks | hm.. | 11:01 |
| ajmitch | why? | 11:01 |
| ivoks | but it has the same bug :/ | 11:01 |
| ivoks | *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0xb798cd80 *** | 11:02 |
| ajmitch | lovely | 11:02 |
| ivoks | hm......... | 11:03 |
| ajmitch | yay for upstream bugs | 11:04 |
| ivoks | but this bug is easy to spot | 11:04 |
| ivoks | just start new, open source and - crash | 11:04 |
| ajmitch | heh | 11:05 |
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| ivoks | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/rhythmbox-applet/+bug/2564 - hm | 11:08 |
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| infinito | siretart: so there's no way to get gcfilms on ubuntu right now, right? | 11:13 |
| ajmitch | infinito: currently it's not in the archive | 11:14 |
| ivoks | ah... | 11:16 |
| siretart | infinito: sure it is | 11:16 |
| siretart | infinito: we need a fixed package, then we can upload | 11:16 |
| ivoks | or we could fix package ? :) | 11:16 |
| infinito | siretart: so how can we do it? | 11:16 |
| ivoks | oh LOL! | 11:21 |
| ivoks | check this out | 11:21 |
| ivoks | http://www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/scim/ | 11:21 |
| ivoks | udo chmod 646 /etc/X11/Xsession.d/74custom-scim_startup | 11:21 |
| ivoks | wtf? 646? :)) | 11:21 |
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| infinito | siretart: how can i set up a build env like yours to try to see what is the problem with gcfilms install script? | 11:33 |
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| ivoks | fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage | 11:36 |
| siretart | infinito: I tried it in a pbuilder | 11:36 |
| ivoks | dpkg-buildpackage shoud generate error too, since you run it as a user | 11:36 |
| siretart | infinito: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto for instructions how to setup | 11:36 |
| infinito | it's kinda strange 'cause it fails to check write perms on --prefix | 11:37 |
| siretart | btw, does anyone know what happened to pbuilder-uml? | 11:44 |
| siretart | some docs are referring to a package called pbuilder-uml, but I cannot find it :( | 11:44 |
| dholbach | uml stuff was removed, because it didnt' work at all | 11:45 |
| dholbach | that was before hoary release | 11:45 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: #ubuntu-desktop looks like it could be useful :) | 11:45 |
| sivang | pbuilder under uml, cool :) | 11:45 |
| ivoks | that's it... | 11:53 |
| ivoks | no more bugfixing today :) | 11:53 |
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| crimsun | ogra, I'm heading to bed soon, but please ping elmo regarding promoting libpostproc-dev (src:ffmpeg) from multiverse to universe, which would allow me to drastically reduce vlc's diff.gz | 12:27 |
| ogra | oki | 12:27 |
| crimsun | thanks! | 12:27 |
| ogra | :) | 12:27 |
| ogra | sleep well | 12:27 |
| crimsun | danke | 12:27 |
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| dholbach | i suppose i'll make universe-bugs non-moderated | 12:41 |
| dholbach | people are already replying to bugs via mail and regarding the new mail header of malone bugs, that seems to make more sense | 12:42 |
| dholbach | hope we don't ge tspammed | 12:42 |
| ajmitch | we will | 12:42 |
| \sh | hmmm...are those reports via mail going back to LP? | 12:42 |
| dholbach | \sh: yes | 12:42 |
| dholbach | and i don't want to be flooded in "approve mail a,b,c" requests | 12:43 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: spam mail? | 12:43 |
| dholbach | #2505 is such an example | 12:43 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: I'd say so - it's a fact of life on the net :) | 12:43 |
| dholbach | argl | 12:43 |
| \sh | ogra: read a comment to http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/107-Please-shutdown-.....html | 12:44 |
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| ogra | \sh, go ! offer decss! | 12:45 |
| ogra | :) | 12:45 |
| \sh | ogra: no I won't :) but now they're complaining...but even Thomas Janssen saw the problems now after upgrading to breezy ,-) | 12:47 |
| ogra | yup | 12:47 |
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| siretart | a similar discussion is on -devel (mailinglist) | 01:02 |
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| siretart | package has version 20050207. whats the correct ubuntu1 version? | 01:22 |
| siretart | 20050207ubuntu1? or 20050207.ubuntu1? | 01:23 |
| ajmitch | 20050207ubuntu1 | 01:23 |
| siretart | okay | 01:23 |
| siretart | just wanted to be sure | 01:23 |
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| ArneCas | I am looking for a virtual package that has all the dependecies to develop a GTK+ application. Ideally it would install gcc, gtk2-devel, make, libtool, pkg-config by selecting a single package. Is such a thing available? | 01:26 |
| infinito | im trying to set a breezy pbuilder, but it fails with update-notifier error, can anyone tell me howto fix this? | 01:26 |
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| siretart | ArneCas: `aptitude install build-essential gnome-devel` would be my first try | 01:33 |
| ArneCas | siretart: someone at ubuntu-desktop said this seems to be a debian package that might depend on the wrong version of gnome | 01:34 |
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| sistpoty | hi folks | 01:37 |
| siretart | huhu sistpoty | 01:45 |
| sistpoty | hi siretart | 01:45 |
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| ivoks | hi | 01:59 |
| sistpoty | hi ivoks | 02:00 |
| ivoks | \sh: i see you are having nice converstaion with Pete :) | 02:00 |
| ivoks | \sh: and over 400 hits! wow! it's even on http://www.nitwitz.be/ :)) | 02:00 |
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| ivoks | did anyone tried ipod with breezy? | 02:12 |
| bmonty | siretart: are you still working on the lyx package? I added a debdiff to #2518 that adds the missing desktop files. | 02:14 |
| siretart | bmonty: lyx is missing /usr/bin/lyx currently | 02:14 |
| dholbach | oh nice :-) | 02:14 |
| siretart | bmonty: I'm waiting for this bug to be fixed, too, and upload a fixed package along with your .desktop file | 02:14 |
| bmonty | siretart: you get lyx-qt and lyx-xforms | 02:14 |
| siretart | bmonty: sorry? | 02:15 |
| bmonty | siretart: depending on which package you install you get lyx-qt or lyx-xforms as the binary | 02:15 |
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| siretart | bmonty: yes. and /usr/bin/lyx should be an link to /etc/alternatives/lyx which itself links to /usr/bin/lyx-qt or -xforms | 02:17 |
| siretart | bmonty: which is missing currently. bug against debian already filed, I wait for response on the debian side | 02:17 |
| bmonty | makes sense to me :) | 02:17 |
| siretart | bmonty: short: I did not forget you and lyx ;) | 02:17 |
| bmonty | just wanted to make sure you new the debdiff was there so effort wasn't duplicated | 02:18 |
| bmonty | gotta go...time for work | 02:18 |
| siretart | bmonty: just make sure the malone bug has the latest file | 02:18 |
| siretart | I'll take it from there | 02:18 |
| bmonty | done! | 02:19 |
| siretart | thanks! | 02:20 |
| persia | I've a question about Malone bugs: there are a couple bugs with the same solution, but different reported problems. Should they be marked as duplicates, or left separate (only one package needs adjustment)? | 02:22 |
| siretart | just make a comment mentioning that | 02:22 |
| persia | Already done: just that someone closed one of them without applying the fix, so I thought I'd ask whether consolidation made sense. Thanks. | 02:23 |
| siretart | oh | 02:24 |
| ivoks | dholbach: trolltech video is... OMG :) | 02:34 |
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| sebest | ivoks, which video? | 02:47 |
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| ivoks | lol, firefox crashed | 02:50 |
| ivoks | sebest: sec... | 02:50 |
| ivoks | sebest: http://www.trolltech.com/video/qt4dance.html | 02:51 |
| sebest | ivoks: thanx | 02:51 |
| ivoks | be aware | 02:51 |
| ivoks | this guys burned out :)) | 02:51 |
| sebest | you also have a lot of crash with firefox? | 02:52 |
| ivoks | no, this is firt one | 02:52 |
| sebest | for me it crashes really often since 2 weeks | 02:52 |
| ivoks | i don't use any extensions | 02:53 |
| sebest | it seems to be related to the video plugin mplayer or totem | 02:53 |
| ivoks | and do the qt4 dance :)) | 02:53 |
| ivoks | sebest: this one was related to totem | 02:54 |
| ivoks | sebest: i clicked on mpeg, it started totem plugin | 02:54 |
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| ivoks | i hit back and it crashed | 02:54 |
| sebest | i'm using mplayer-plugin, and also some crash | 02:54 |
| xerxas | Hi everyone | 02:55 |
| xerxas | can I reopen a fixed bug in malone ? | 02:55 |
| ivoks | xerxas: sure | 02:56 |
| xerxas | ivoks: don't find where | 02:56 |
| ivoks | xerxas: wich bug? | 02:57 |
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| xerxas | ivoks: 2530 | 02:59 |
| xerxas | ivoks: I made bad work | 02:59 |
| xerxas | I reported a simple bug , that had a simple fix, but it breaks others things :) | 02:59 |
| xerxas | didn't tested enough, but found some patch which fixes it in gentoo. | 03:00 |
| havoc | ivoks: heh, I have the same LCD as the guy in the video | 03:00 |
| ivoks | havoc: :) | 03:00 |
| ivoks | havoc: but checkout the dance :) | 03:00 |
| havoc | freaks :) | 03:01 |
| xerxas | ivoks: ? | 03:01 |
| xerxas | are you looking the bug ? | 03:01 |
| ivoks | xerxas: sec... | 03:01 |
| ivoks | xerxas: well, you didn't do anything :) | 03:02 |
| ivoks | xerxas: new version is in archive | 03:02 |
| xerxas | ivoks: but new version breaks stuff | 03:03 |
| xerxas | if I load the plugin , it works | 03:03 |
| ivoks | xerxas: like what? | 03:03 |
| xerxas | then I quit xchat-gnome | 03:03 |
| xerxas | restart xchat-gnome | 03:03 |
| xerxas | segfault | 03:03 |
| xerxas | but I have a patch that fixes it | 03:03 |
| ivoks | reopen the bug | 03:03 |
| xerxas | there is no status "reopened" | 03:03 |
| xerxas | or didn't found it | 03:03 |
| ivoks | click on Ubuntu xchat-systray | 03:03 |
| ivoks | and change status to New | 03:04 |
| segfault | me? | 03:04 |
| xerxas | nope :) | 03:04 |
| xerxas | just segfault | 03:04 |
| xerxas | not u | 03:04 |
| xerxas | ivoks: ok | 03:04 |
| ivoks | xerxas: and comment how this all happend | 03:05 |
| ivoks | i mean, crashing :) | 03:05 |
| xerxas | yep | 03:05 |
| xerxas | I have some diff that fixes it | 03:05 |
| xerxas | must try before | 03:05 |
| ivoks | ok | 03:05 |
| ivoks | well, motu that uploads it should test it too | 03:06 |
| xerxas | :) | 03:08 |
| xerxas | nevermind, will get fixed | 03:08 |
| xerxas | I can't know who's the MOTU that fixed it ? | 03:08 |
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| ivoks | dholbach :) | 03:11 |
| sistpoty | cya | 03:12 |
| ivoks | sebest: did you saw the movie? | 03:13 |
| sebest | yeah :) funny movie! | 03:13 |
| dholbach | ivoks, xerxas: what did i fix? | 03:22 |
| xerxas | dholbach: you fixed thet xchat-systray stuff ? | 03:28 |
| xerxas | hi dholbach | 03:28 |
| ivoks | dholbach: you just uploaded new version | 03:28 |
| ivoks | dholbach: ales clar :) | 03:29 |
| \sh | ivoks: alles klar ,-) | 03:29 |
| xerxas | ivoks: a new version of hat ? | 03:29 |
| xerxas | what | 03:29 |
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| ivoks | argh... | 03:29 |
| dholbach | xerxas, ivoks: i never made an xchat-systray uploac | 03:29 |
| xerxas | don't understand anything at all , nevermind | 03:30 |
| ivoks | \sh: thanks, it's been a while.. | 03:30 |
| dholbach | xerxas, ivoks: you can have a look at /usr/share/doc/xchat-systray/changelog.Debian.gz for that | 03:30 |
| \sh | ivoks: nafallo uploaded the last xchat-systray | 03:30 |
| ivoks | dholbach: sorry, not you :) | 03:30 |
| ivoks | ah, my mistake | 03:30 |
| \sh | Von: Christian Bjlevik <nafallo@ubuntu.com> | 03:30 |
| \sh | Antwort an: ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com | 03:30 |
| \sh | An: breezy-changes@lists.ubuntu.com | 03:30 |
| \sh | Betreff: Accepted xchat-systray 2.4.5-2ubuntu1 (source) | 03:30 |
| \sh | Datum: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:55:02 +0100 (BST) (11:55 CEST) | 03:30 |
| ivoks | Christian Bjalevik | 03:31 |
| xerxas | yep | 03:31 |
| xerxas | saw it | 03:31 |
| ivoks | dholbach: i'm sorry | 03:31 |
| dholbach | don't worry | 03:31 |
| dholbach | i just wanted to know, what i was supposed to have done :-p | 03:31 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: i will get you pwlib (libpt) fix in the morning, is that ok? | 03:32 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: yeah | 03:32 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: thank you | 03:32 |
| ajmitch | remind me about it then - it's compiling now ;) | 03:32 |
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| dholbach | sleep tight :) | 03:33 |
| ivoks | ajmitch: 'night | 03:33 |
| \sh | I'm going shopping...buying linksys router.... | 03:39 |
| \sh | later dudes until CC | 03:39 |
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| ivoks | ah, i'll go now too.. | 03:45 |
| ivoks | see you! bye | 03:45 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:54 |
| havoc | hello | 03:55 |
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| bddebian | Heya havoc | 03:56 |
| bddebian | bmonty: You here? | 03:57 |
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| bddebian | Why does the search function on Malone suck so bad? | 04:09 |
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| mvo | wdm is broken (if someone is interessted). may only be a matter of fixing the init script | 04:28 |
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| StrikeForce | dholbach, ping | 04:37 |
| StrikeForce | dholbach, just to tell you debian will have a new version of istanbul soon | 04:39 |
| bddebian | mvo: Broken how? | 04:39 |
| StrikeForce | someone has just uploaded it to mentors looking for a sponsor | 04:39 |
| StrikeForce | and supposedly the bugs that are listed in the debian bug list are fixed. :) | 04:40 |
| mvo | bddebian: it dosn't start a display manager when it's installed | 04:40 |
| bddebian | mvo: OK | 04:41 |
| bddebian | Heya \sh | 04:44 |
| \sh | moins barry :) | 04:44 |
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| bddebian | bmonty: 738 and 2518 are uploaded so go ahead and close those bugs. :-) Thanks. | 04:50 |
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| ivoks | interesting idea for security messure | 04:57 |
| ivoks | noexec on /home | 04:57 |
| \sh | noexec on /tmp is a must ;) | 04:58 |
| ivoks | \sh: NO! | 04:58 |
| ivoks | i see you never installed debian :)) | 04:58 |
| \sh | ivoks: YES if you run vulnerable php software ;) | 04:58 |
| jamessan|work | noexec on /home is evil | 04:58 |
| ivoks | jamessan|work: no, that's good stuff :) | 04:58 |
| bddebian | Heya ivoks | 04:59 |
| ivoks | \sh: noexec on /tmp - no preinst, postinst, prerm or postrm | 04:59 |
| \sh | ivoks: this must be changed... | 04:59 |
| ivoks | \sh: all those scripts fail | 04:59 |
| ivoks | \sh: to what? /var/tmp? :) | 04:59 |
| jamessan|work | ivoks: what about all the little scripts I write and throw in ~/bin ? | 04:59 |
| \sh | default install of php says /tmp for http put/post uploads and this can be evil | 05:00 |
| ivoks | jamessan|work: i'm aware of that | 05:00 |
| ivoks | jamessan|work: and i look at my ~/bin | 05:00 |
| ivoks | jamessan|work: nothing :) | 05:00 |
| ivoks | jamessan|work: if they are scripts | 05:01 |
| ivoks | jamessan|work: perl my_script.pl | 05:01 |
| ivoks | but don't exec them | 05:01 |
| jamessan|work | that's a lot more typing for little convenience scripts | 05:01 |
| ivoks | jamessan|work: i know, that's why it's secure | 05:01 |
| ivoks | trojans/worms will come to linux | 05:02 |
| ivoks | and we need better security aproach | 05:02 |
| ivoks | if user can download file, run it, then he/she gets same thing as with windows | 05:03 |
| ivoks | http://linuxtoday.com/security/2005092601926OPDTMS | 05:03 |
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| ivoks | kde4 promisses really great stuff | 05:05 |
| jamessan|work | the better solution is to worry more about security when writing software, so there aren't as many bugs/exploits. you can't train the average user to not look at every thing that gets sent to them and inconveniencing the users won't attract a user base | 05:05 |
| ivoks | you don't need bug/exploit to start a rm -rf * | 05:06 |
| ivoks | you need online shell script | 05:06 |
| ivoks | one-line | 05:06 |
| ivoks | linux isn't like windows, users don't download executables and run it from home | 05:07 |
| jamessan|work | yes, and setting noexec doesn't prevent that from being run | 05:07 |
| ivoks | jamessan|work: it does | 05:07 |
| ivoks | jamessan|work: it requests that user runs sh delete.sh | 05:07 |
| jamessan|work | no, it just changes how it is run | 05:07 |
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| ivoks | people will never write secure software | 05:08 |
| ivoks | we can't do that | 05:08 |
| ivoks | so we have to protect our selfs from our selfs | 05:08 |
| jamessan|work | yes, secure software can be developed, but people don't focus on security because it's not as glamorous as features X, Y, and Z | 05:09 |
| ivoks | i think noexec on home is unusuall idea that would be quite good to investigate | 05:09 |
| markuman | ive got 3 questions to dput. :-/ first: http://paste.debian.net/2087 is the .dput.cf correct? | 05:09 |
| ivoks | jamessan|work: ah, but there is so much software | 05:09 |
| ivoks | jamessan|work: you can't expect everybody to follow some guidelines | 05:10 |
| ivoks | jamessan|work: and we can't go trough every single line of every source | 05:10 |
| bddebian | Heya slomo | 05:10 |
| slomo | hi bddebian | 05:10 |
| jamessan|work | ivoks: I can expect it. I just know that people won't. | 05:10 |
| dholbach | StrikeForce: oh cool - i'll have a look at that | 05:11 |
| ivoks | jamessan|work: that's the problem, people won't develope secure soft | 05:12 |
| ivoks | jamessan|work: so, we can say "eh.." or do something about it | 05:12 |
| ivoks | :) | 05:12 |
| mvo | bddebian: the wdm problem looks like something more general. xdm dosn't start either | 05:13 |
| mvo | (but the init script pathes are still wrong) | 05:13 |
| bddebian | ack | 05:13 |
| ivoks | markuman: it's ok | 05:14 |
| markuman | ivoks, ok thx. the 2nd question: "please only do signed uploads". how to sign an upload? | 05:14 |
| bddebian | debuild -S -sa | 05:15 |
| bddebian | Or sign the changes after a build | 05:15 |
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| markuman | ok thx. | 05:16 |
| ivoks | http://img396.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kdemockup7sj.swf | 05:16 |
| ivoks | checkout new KDE stuff | 05:17 |
| slomo | hi markuman... so you got your account now? ;) | 05:17 |
| markuman | and the 3rd question. i have to upload *.changes , *.diff *.dsc and the *.orig.tar.gz ? | 05:17 |
| markuman | slomo, i think yes ;-) | 05:18 |
| slomo | markuman: dput on the changes will upload everything | 05:18 |
| markuman | ok thx | 05:18 |
| jamessan|work | ivoks: that article really comes down to "Stupid users will do stupid things" and I say, let them do that and suffer the consequences. You can't build foolproof software, because there will always be someone more foolish. I've had a Windows system running for 5+ years without getting a single virus, worm, etc. | 05:21 |
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| jamessan|work | ivoks: the types of users that are going to get into that trouble are the same ones that will complain they can't run programs they've downloaded into their home directory. | 05:22 |
| ivoks | jamessan|work: maybe | 05:24 |
| ivoks | anyway... see you | 05:30 |
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| abarbaccia | hey all - a few things real quick - the package mythtv-themes is missing from the repositories, we can grab it from mdz's personal repositories and use that one - but it should be in the universe | 06:04 |
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| ivoks | howdy | 06:04 |
| abarbaccia | secondly, theres an error somewhere in the mono packages or something because when using fspot it gives a mono error when trying to rotate | 06:05 |
| abarbaccia | the error is libmonoposixhelper.so | 06:06 |
| slomo | what error? | 06:06 |
| abarbaccia | hold on - i'll get it exact for you | 06:08 |
| abarbaccia | received error "libmonoposixhelper.xo" when trying to rotate <filename> | 06:08 |
| slomo | abarbaccia: ok, should be a problem in f-spot then... hm best would be to file a bug against f-spot in malone | 06:10 |
| tseng | uh | 06:11 |
| tseng | that doesnt sound like the real error | 06:12 |
| abarbaccia | slomo, how do you know its an error with fspot not the mono packages | 06:12 |
| tseng | if it threw an exception it would have given at least several lines | 06:12 |
| abarbaccia | well | 06:12 |
| abarbaccia | i just ran it in the terminal, and it doesnt give any more extra output | 06:12 |
| abarbaccia | wait | 06:13 |
| abarbaccia | yes it does hold on | 06:13 |
| tseng | its not even spelled right | 06:13 |
| tseng | so you just typed stuff in here instead of the real thing | 06:13 |
| slomo | abarbaccia: because the libmonoposixhelper.so seems to belong to f-spot... at least it doesn't belong to mono ;) so f-spot would be the best candidate | 06:13 |
| tseng | can you please post it on pastebin.ca | 06:13 |
| tseng | slomo: um | 06:13 |
| tseng | slomo: it does belong to mono | 06:13 |
| slomo | tseng: ?! | 06:14 |
| tseng | /usr/lib/libMonoPosixHelper.so | 06:14 |
| abarbaccia | http://pastebin.ca/24040 | 06:14 |
| tseng | its libmono0 | 06:14 |
| slomo | ah... wrong case ;) that's why i didn't find it... | 06:14 |
| tseng | yeah he retyped it | 06:14 |
| tseng | abarbaccia: did you just upgrade from hoary? | 06:14 |
| tseng | or | 06:14 |
| tseng | do you have libmono0 installed at all | 06:15 |
| abarbaccia | fresh install of breezy | 06:15 |
| tseng | f-spot doesnt depend on libmono0 | 06:15 |
| tseng | ajmitch: ^ | 06:15 |
| abarbaccia | i do not have libmono0 installed | 06:15 |
| tseng | install it and it will work | 06:15 |
| abarbaccia | well, then the fspot package needs to be updated | 06:15 |
| slomo | abarbaccia: and for the future paste the complete error somewhere ;) | 06:16 |
| tseng | i dont appreciate the attitude | 06:16 |
| tseng | but that is why i pinged ajmitch, the maintainer | 06:16 |
| tseng | to look at your issue | 06:16 |
| abarbaccia | tseng, no attitude - just a statement | 06:16 |
| abarbaccia | thank you though - another question - theres a package missing from the universe for mythtv | 06:19 |
| abarbaccia | its called mythtv-themes -> theres one compiled for debian already that we could grab that works and just put it in the universe from mdz's soucres | 06:19 |
| slomo | abarbaccia: when it's in mdz' personal repository he probably has a reason why he didn't upload it to universe (yet) | 06:19 |
| ivoks | um... mono just took 300MB :/ | 06:20 |
| slomo | ivoks: ram? | 06:20 |
| abarbaccia | slomo, i thought it was more on the lines of it was forgotten, because the transition to the new mythtv made the main package into a main package and a theme package | 06:20 |
| ivoks | slomo: yeah | 06:21 |
| slomo | ivoks: beagle? ;) | 06:22 |
| slomo | abarbaccia: where's the package? | 06:22 |
| ivoks | slomo: could be | 06:22 |
| ivoks | slomo: happend after sharing folder over smb | 06:22 |
| slomo | ivoks: sounds like beagle ;) how do you know that it was mono but not what package it really was? | 06:23 |
| ivoks | couse top showed mono took 30% RAM :) | 06:23 |
| ivoks | and my computer started swaping - it never did that before :) | 06:23 |
| slomo | just look at the ps aux output :P | 06:23 |
| abarbaccia | slomo, deb http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian unstable mythtv | 06:23 |
| slomo | abarbaccia: hmm... probably just ask mdz about it | 06:25 |
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| abarbaccia | i will one of these days... | 06:26 |
| tseng | mdz said he wants that stuff in universe | 06:26 |
| tseng | but is probably too busy | 06:26 |
| abarbaccia | well, he got all the packages on there | 06:26 |
| abarbaccia | except that one | 06:26 |
| abarbaccia | and mythgame and mythphone | 06:26 |
| tseng | thats fine, did you test them? | 06:26 |
| abarbaccia | both of which i think are pointless.... | 06:26 |
| abarbaccia | yes | 06:26 |
| abarbaccia | well | 06:26 |
| slomo | tseng: then let's take a look at it and when we both think it's ok we can upload it... | 06:26 |
| abarbaccia | i tested mythtv-themes | 06:26 |
| abarbaccia | that would be great! | 06:26 |
| tseng | as a rebuild on breezy? | 06:26 |
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| xerxas | I've generated my gpg key | 06:31 |
| xerxas | what should I do to upload it to ubuntu world ? | 06:32 |
| bddebian | xerxas: There is a place on Launchpad to put it | 06:32 |
| slomo | xerxas: and probably upload it to a public keyserver | 06:33 |
| ivoks | slomo: yep, beagle | 06:34 |
| ivoks | slomo: beagled and best are taking 22% of my RAM :) | 06:34 |
| tseng | beagle sucks ram | 06:34 |
| tseng | news at 11 | 06:34 |
| ivoks | :) | 06:34 |
| xerxas | slomo: already upload to a public keyserver | 06:34 |
| xerxas | hi slomo | 06:34 |
| tseng | ivoks: its pretty well known | 06:34 |
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| bddebian | Heya mbreit | 06:35 |
| ivoks | tseng: i know | 06:35 |
| tseng | ivoks: indexing lots of large files is expensive | 06:35 |
| mbreit | hi everyone, hey bddebian ;) | 06:35 |
| ivoks | tseng: i was surprised to see swap over 300MB filled :) | 06:35 |
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| markuman | the find and import function on launchpad dont work here: Sorry, a system error occurred | 06:36 |
| bddebian | markuman: I get the same error when doing text searches :-( | 06:36 |
| ivoks | it's time to join planet | 06:36 |
| tseng | im off for lunch | 06:37 |
| tseng | bye | 06:38 |
| bddebian | bon apetite | 06:38 |
| slomo | ivoks: good idea ;) i'll talk to jdub on friday about it | 06:38 |
| ivoks | i'll do that now :) | 06:39 |
| slomo | i'm too lazy ;) | 06:39 |
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| arzajac | Anyone here I can discuss flashplayer-nonfree with? | 06:53 |
| xerxas_ | is there anyone who's using gpg on gmail ? | 06:54 |
| slomo | arzajac: what's the problem with it? | 06:54 |
| xerxas_ | to decode gpg messages I need to access my mail via pop with a gpg enabled clients ? | 06:54 |
| xerxas_ | or I can simply copy the content of the message ? | 06:54 |
| arzajac | May sites do not have fonts properly set up. The gsfonts-x11 fixes the problem, but it is only a reccommends. Any chance of making it a depends? | 06:55 |
| arzajac | "Many sites' and not May sites.... | 06:55 |
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| bddebian | Anyone have a clue on this: | 06:58 |
| bddebian | /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h:3575: error: syntax error before '_X_SENTINEL' | 06:58 |
| dholbach | what is before it? | 06:59 |
| blueyed | Is there a way to debug-enable a build when using debuild to create .debs from "apt-get source"'d source code? | 07:00 |
| bddebian | Looks like it's pulling bad headers to me | 07:00 |
| bddebian | blueyed: There should be a nostrip option | 07:00 |
| dholbach | blueyed: DebuggingProgramCrash on the wiki knows | 07:01 |
| bddebian | gcc -O3 -g -I/usr/X11R6/include -I../../include -c -o Cache.o Cache.c | 07:01 |
| bddebian | In file included from /usr/include/X11/Intrinsic.h:56, | 07:01 |
| bddebian | from /usr/include/X11/IntrinsicP.h:54, | 07:01 |
| bddebian | from Cache.c:28: | 07:01 |
| dholbach | erm in the code ( /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h) before it | 07:01 |
| bddebian | Oh, hehe, sorry | 07:01 |
| d2dchat | who manages the Ruby package? | 07:01 |
| dholbach | dont worry | 07:01 |
| xerxas_ | woohoo , uploaded my gpg key | 07:02 |
| xerxas_ | need to get it signed | 07:02 |
| bddebian | xerxas_: Nice | 07:02 |
| xerxas_ | If i get it signed by a someone that made a lot of patch for gnome and have a signed key, is it enough? | 07:03 |
| xerxas_ | this guy is vuntz | 07:03 |
| xerxas_ | he is relatively known | 07:03 |
| bddebian | dholbach: | 07:05 |
| bddebian | extern char *XSetOMValues( | 07:05 |
| bddebian | XOM /* om */, | 07:05 |
| bddebian | ... | 07:05 |
| bddebian | ) _X_SENTINEL(0); | 07:05 |
| xerxas_ | Nafallo: r u here ? | 07:05 |
| dholbach | bddebian: another missing header? you should search for the values in /usr/include | 07:05 |
| bddebian | It's defined in XfunProto.h | 07:07 |
| bddebian | Err Xfuncproto.h | 07:07 |
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| Surak | Hello, I need assistance on making the way to multiverse to my conexant module package. | 07:15 |
| Surak | I suppose this is the correct place to ask it. | 07:15 |
| dholbach | bddebian: you might have to include that additionally (since the X stuff split up) | 07:17 |
| bddebian | WTF is a Makefile.conf? | 07:19 |
| slomo | bddebian: maybe just a makefile with variables which gets included everywhere | 07:19 |
| slomo | look at it | 07:19 |
| Surak | The package is fine, just needs to be reviewed by a MOTU. | 07:27 |
| dholbach | Surak: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU is what you're looking for | 07:27 |
| dholbach | Surak: wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU is what you're looking for | 07:27 |
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| bddebian | slomo: It's wrong but when I change it, it has no affect. Do I have to re-run autmoke or something? | 07:27 |
| ogra | Surak, has it approval for redistribution from the license holder ? | 07:27 |
| slomo | bddebian: depends on the package | 07:27 |
| Surak | ogra: 1. Permitted use. Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without modification, are permitted under the terms set forth herein. | 07:29 |
| ogra | what are these terms ? | 07:29 |
| ogra | can you put up the license anywhere ? | 07:29 |
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| Surak | Sure | 07:30 |
| ogra | its a requirement for universe that the redistribution through us is allowed | 07:30 |
| ogra | s/universe/multiverse | 07:30 |
| Surak | I already did, http://laa2.unifacs.br/preview/conexant/conexant-192/ | 07:30 |
| ogra | elmo will look vers deeply into it.. | 07:30 |
| ogra | *very | 07:31 |
| Surak | Ops, http://laa2.unifacs.br/preview/conexant/conexant-192/LICENSE | 07:31 |
| ogra | looks good :) put it on revu ;) | 07:32 |
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| bddebian | WTF is /usr/X11/app-defaults ? | 07:34 |
| ogra | hmm, shoudlt that be in /etc ? | 07:35 |
| ogra | *shouldnt | 07:35 |
| Surak | ogra: dholbach: thanks! | 07:35 |
| ogra | bddebian, doesnt exist here | 07:36 |
| dholbach | Surak: for what? :) | 07:36 |
| Surak | For answering me. I'm asking the same thing here for about a week in different times :-) | 07:36 |
| dholbach | you should have pinged each and everyone on the channel list :-p | 07:37 |
| bddebian | ogra: I know, for me either :-) | 07:38 |
| Surak | One more week and maybe this would be the case! | 07:38 |
| bddebian | But I have a configure blah --x-defaults=/etc/X11/app-defaults ?? | 07:38 |
| ogra | bddebian, where did you see it ? | 07:38 |
| bddebian | ogra: felt debian/rules on configure | 07:39 |
| dholbach | Surak: if you have ideas for iumprovement of the MOTU documentation of the wiki, be sure to tell us about it | 07:39 |
| dholbach | Surak: it's always good to hear from somebody, who doesnt know all the places yet | 07:39 |
| ogra | bddebian, --x-defaults=/etc/X11/app-defaults sounds ok... the package doesnt rspect this ? | 07:39 |
| bddebian | I don't know it FTBFSs and I'm just looking for problems :-) | 07:40 |
| Surak | dholbach: I reached a place completely different than those wiki entries when I was looking for information. Two minutes and I can tell you where | 07:40 |
| bddebian | ogra: This is the line I'm trying to affect: gcc -O3 -g -I/usr/X11/include -I../../include -c -o Cache.o Cache.c | 07:40 |
| bddebian | Ohh, wait, it did fix it | 07:41 |
| bddebian | Hmm | 07:41 |
| ogra | :) | 07:41 |
| bddebian | Same FTBFS though :-( | 07:41 |
| bddebian | Oh, wrong path again... | 07:41 |
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| Surak | dholbach: hm, the new member appointment. | 07:43 |
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| dholbach | Surak: which page is it? | 07:44 |
| bddebian | Hmm, still b0rked | 07:45 |
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| dholbach | bddebian: missing build-depends? | 07:50 |
| bddebian | dholbach: NO, that _X_SENTINEL error | 07:50 |
| dholbach | yeah | 07:50 |
| bddebian | Ohh, yeah it could be but I don't know what | 07:50 |
| dholbach | you include the header file, but it's not in the build-depends? | 07:50 |
| bddebian | All the headers it fails on are there afaict | 07:50 |
| dholbach | ok | 07:51 |
| dholbach | hm | 07:51 |
| dholbach | what package is it? | 07:51 |
| bddebian | felt | 07:51 |
| dholbach | iwll have a look | 07:52 |
| bddebian | Thx | 07:52 |
| bddebian | It's probably something stupid that I am just missing | 07:52 |
| dholbach | mightbe not :-p | 07:52 |
| Surak | dholbach: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/processes/newmember/ | 07:52 |
| dholbach | Surak: ah ok | 07:52 |
| dholbach | Surak: yeah, there's a bit of discrepancy, but http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU IS the starting point :) | 07:53 |
| bddebian | Fsck, I'm getting nothing accomplished today either at work or with MOTU :'-( | 07:53 |
| dholbach | bddebian: you do, i got some malone mails from you | 07:53 |
| bddebian | Today? | 07:53 |
| dholbach | bddebian: and you do a hell lot more than many other motus :) | 07:53 |
| bddebian | Ohh, yeah | 07:53 |
| === bddebian has a goal to have bugs < 500 and all UnmetDeps cleaned | ||
| ogra | bddebian, wow | 07:54 |
| bddebian | Oh and GL/GLU transistions | 07:54 |
| ogra | you deserve a golden medal if you make that... | 07:54 |
| bddebian | Well since the number of bugs keeps growing, I think I'm screwed ;-P | 07:55 |
| ogra | if you make the other two goals i'd vote already for this medal :p | 07:57 |
| bddebian | Well everything left on UnmetDeps and GL/GLU are FTBFS as far as I know now.. :-( | 07:57 |
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| bddebian | Who is working on/with beagle? | 08:05 |
| tseng | not me | 08:06 |
| bddebian | I think bug #1859 is bunk. I don't see a build-dep for wv anything in beagle ?? | 08:08 |
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| bddebian | tseng: Damnit, ogra says its YOU :-) | 08:24 |
| tseng | haha! | 08:24 |
| ogra | tseng, who cares for beagle now ? if not you ? | 08:24 |
| ogra | anyway, libwv2-dev is there | 08:24 |
| bddebian | Yeah but it's not a build-dep | 08:25 |
| tseng | beagle can use libwv | 08:25 |
| tseng | but we dont build with it | 08:25 |
| bddebian | Ohh | 08:25 |
| bddebian | Should we? | 08:25 |
| ogra | hmm, but i thought there was another package responsible for MS docs... | 08:26 |
| tseng | do I care about searching MS docs on my linux box? | 08:26 |
| tseng | not really | 08:26 |
| tseng | if someone wants to build and test it, great | 08:26 |
| tseng | i dont even have a copy of word | 08:26 |
| ogra | what was the package schweeb did ? | 08:26 |
| tseng | gsf-sharp | 08:26 |
| ogra | wasnt that for MS office stuff ? | 08:26 |
| tseng | is ppt or something | 08:26 |
| ogra | i thought it was more general | 08:27 |
| tseng | libgsf-1 - Structured File Library - runtime version | 08:27 |
| tseng | whatever that means | 08:27 |
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| ogra | lol | 08:27 |
| ogra | yay for descriptive descriptions :p | 08:27 |
| bddebian | heh | 08:27 |
| === bddebian just ignores the bug I guess | ||
| tseng | http://directory.fsf.org/iface/GNOME_apps/libgsf.html | 08:28 |
| tseng | this page says it all | 08:28 |
| bddebian | rbelem-amd64: Ahh, good can you test Wesnoth for me? ;-) | 08:28 |
| tseng | 'libgsf' is a simple i/o library that can read and write common file types and handle structured formats that provide file-system-in-a-file semantics. | 08:28 |
| tseng | right.. | 08:28 |
| tseng | tbh i dont know what it does | 08:28 |
| rbelem-amd64 | bddebian: yes =) | 08:28 |
| rbelem-amd64 | bddebian: i bought this machine yesterday ;-) | 08:29 |
| bddebian | rbelem-amd64: Nice. I want to get one :-) | 08:30 |
| rbelem-amd64 | bddebian: i was without machine, one friend give me a amd-k6-ii 500 for some days, then he take it back 2 days ago | 08:33 |
| bddebian | :-( | 08:33 |
| rbelem-amd64 | bddebian: i was forced to buy this :( | 08:33 |
| dholbach | bddebian: sorry, no luck | 08:35 |
| dholbach | bddebian: but the debian maintainer should have a look around if there's a new upstream release | 08:35 |
| dholbach | the code is VERY broken | 08:35 |
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| bddebian | dholbach: Well that doesn't help me clean up my list :-) | 08:35 |
| bddebian | dholbach: Thanks for taking the time to look | 08:35 |
| dholbach | if we could sync it, it would | 08:35 |
| dholbach | don't worry | 08:35 |
| rbelem-amd64 | bddebian: but now i'm happy, full of debt, but happy :) | 08:37 |
| bddebian | :-) | 08:37 |
| rbelem-amd64 | bddebian: i'll test Wesnoth now ;-) | 08:38 |
| bddebian | dholbach: No newer version on sourceforge :-( | 08:39 |
| dholbach | bddebian: cvs fixes? | 08:41 |
| bddebian | What do I look like a developer? :-) | 08:42 |
| bddebian | I don't understand how we can have all this broken code around :-( | 08:44 |
| \sh | re | 08:45 |
| dholbach | bddebian: that's a procedure we all have to go through | 08:45 |
| dholbach | trust me | 08:45 |
| \sh | now the wlan test | 08:46 |
| ogra | the wlan test ? | 08:46 |
| \sh | yes | 08:46 |
| ogra | \sh, you were at saturn ? | 08:46 |
| \sh | i'm sorry only with windows first, and after that with a usb dongle under linux | 08:47 |
| \sh | ogra: yeah..but no linksys anymore in cologne | 08:47 |
| ogra | heh.... | 08:47 |
| \sh | not at all saturns, no mediamarkts, no karstadt no nothing | 08:47 |
| ogra | i know the feeling... thats how i ended up with all the wlan crap here | 08:47 |
| \sh | yep...but this guy at saturn recognized me ;) | 08:47 |
| \sh | he's using ubuntu :) | 08:48 |
| \sh | and he promised me to order a linksys wrt54-gs ;) | 08:48 |
| \sh | wlan works...unsecured | 08:49 |
| spayne | i have a day off school tomorrow | 08:50 |
| spayne | so i want to have another bash at packaging | 08:50 |
| bddebian | spayne: Great | 08:50 |
| \sh | ok...wpa connect works as well with the to r200 | 08:52 |
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| Tonio- | hi everyone | 08:57 |
| bddebian | Heya Tonio- | 08:59 |
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| bddebian | rbelem: Did Wesnoth kill your machine? ;-P | 09:03 |
| rbelem | bddebian: yes :( | 09:04 |
| bddebian | REALLY? | 09:04 |
| rbelem | bddebian: when the instalation process begin the machine freeze | 09:05 |
| rbelem | :/ | 09:05 |
| bddebian | Hmm | 09:05 |
| rbelem | bddebian: i'll try again | 09:05 |
| bddebian | Sheesh, I swear every line of code with ncbi-tools6 has a warning :-) | 09:20 |
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| dholbach | ouch | 09:20 |
| bddebian | Yeah, I'm thinking I'm not going to meet my goals :'-( | 09:21 |
| dholbach | bddebian: shortly before the hoary release i realised that my own code wasnt that bad :) | 09:21 |
| bddebian | dholbach: ;-) | 09:21 |
| dholbach | (after having seen millions of bug logs) | 09:21 |
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| bddebian | Heya crimsun | 09:25 |
| crimsun | heya bddebian | 09:25 |
| dholbach | hey daniel | 09:25 |
| crimsun | hey daniel :-) | 09:25 |
| bddebian | crimsun: Oh, hey, have you ever gotten anywhere with vlc? | 09:25 |
| bddebian | Doh I scared him away.. :-) | 09:26 |
| spayne | dholbach: what package is needed to get the debi command> | 09:27 |
| dholbach | devscripts | 09:28 |
| spayne | thanks | 09:28 |
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| crimsun | (I hate my connection) | 09:28 |
| crimsun | bddebian: yes, I have. It builds on i386 and ppc, still working on amd64. | 09:29 |
| ogra | crimsun, i havent seen elmo today yet... | 09:29 |
| ogra | but i guess he'll be around for the CC meeting in 30min | 09:29 |
| crimsun | bddebian: I'm trying to reduce the size of our diff.gz by using the -dev packages from ffmpeg, so we're waiting on libpostproc-dev to be promoted to universe | 09:30 |
| crimsun | ogra: all right, thanks | 09:30 |
| crimsun | ogra: it would be nice to ask for a sync of ffmpeg from Sid while we're at it, since the newer vlc b-ds on it | 09:31 |
| ogra | sure | 09:31 |
| ogra | but dont we have a ffmpeg from marillat ? | 09:31 |
| ogra | (which has a epoch afaik) | 09:31 |
| ogra | that will generate probs i guess | 09:31 |
| crimsun | oh! so _that_'s why the 3: epoch exists... | 09:32 |
| ogra | we'll at least need to add the epoch to the debian package | 09:32 |
| crimsun | ok, then we'll need to merge it in | 09:32 |
| crimsun | yeah, we can skip asking for a sync then. Thanks. :) | 09:32 |
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| ogra | actually i dont even think the current package is from amrillat, but we once had one from there which brought the epoch in | 09:33 |
| ogra | (in warty i think) | 09:33 |
| ogra | epochs are sooo evil ! | 09:33 |
| crimsun | yes they are | 09:33 |
| cevizoglu | the same elf binary will work on ppc and i386, right? | 09:34 |
| spayne | brb | 09:35 |
| bddebian | I was told I couldn't bring in ffmpeg2 ... :-) | 09:36 |
| crimsun | ffmpeg2? :-) | 09:36 |
| bddebian | From Marillat | 09:39 |
| bddebian | Source package | 09:39 |
| bddebian | builds libavcodec2 | 09:39 |
| crimsun | ah | 09:39 |
| === crimsun scoots, will try to make it to CC. Later folks! | ||
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| ivoks | this channel gets bigger every day :) | 09:45 |
| ogra | thats its intention ;) | 09:51 |
| markuman | ivoks, when i watched first time here, there were ~120 people i think... | 09:51 |
| dholbach | markuman: when i was here there was 1 guy, or two maybe :) | 09:52 |
| ivoks | :) | 09:52 |
| ivoks | i camed when here was maybe 15 people :) | 09:52 |
| markuman | :-) | 09:52 |
| === zyga does have some family photos if anyone is in a mood ;-) | ||
| ivoks | :) | 09:52 |
| dholbach | hehe | 09:52 |
| markuman | my first packages is upload allready.... | 09:52 |
| zyga | 'here I am with other # friends' | 09:53 |
| ivoks | look... this is my first q with dholbach :) | 09:53 |
| markuman | i hope it will be everything right with it | 09:53 |
| dholbach | your first Q with me?:) | 09:53 |
| ivoks | query :) | 09:53 |
| rbelem | bddebian: now it worked well ;-) | 09:53 |
| dholbach | ah :) | 09:53 |
| ivoks | dholbach: family photos :) | 09:53 |
| ivoks | markuman: what package? | 09:54 |
| markuman | ivoks, xfce4-taskmanager | 09:54 |
| rbelem | bddebian: nice game :) | 09:54 |
| ivoks | we didn't have that one before? | 09:54 |
| markuman | ivoks, no. in debian packages wasnt it too | 09:55 |
| ivoks | ah, great! | 09:55 |
| bddebian | rbelem: Uh oh, now I have you. ;-) Thx for doing that | 09:55 |
| ivoks | guys | 09:55 |
| ivoks | we worked hard today | 09:55 |
| ivoks | it's time to play some network game | 09:55 |
| markuman | ivoks, but ive build it only for amd64 :-/ | 09:55 |
| === bddebian doesn't feel like he's worked hard :'-( | ||
| zyga | 'our first group-hug'? ;-) | 09:56 |
| rbelem | bddebian: =) | 09:56 |
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| bddebian | Heading home, later gang | 10:26 |
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| ajmitch | morning | 10:51 |
| dholbach | hi ajmitch | 10:51 |
| \sh | evening ajmitch :) | 10:51 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: sorry, just got to add the Replaces line onto pwlib, will you be around for much longer? :) | 10:52 |
| ajmitch | hey \sh :) | 10:52 |
| === ajmitch is glad he'll soon be in the same timezone as you all ;) | ||
| dholbach | ajmitch: a bit, yes :) | 10:53 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: replaces? no conflicts on older version? (not sure) | 10:53 |
| ajmitch | it was just 1.8.7-1 that had symlinks in the wrong package | 10:54 |
| ajmitch | I've got the packages here to upgrade from | 10:54 |
| ajmitch | will test soon :) | 10:54 |
| ajmitch | bbiab | 10:54 |
| ivoks | ah, time for bed | 11:03 |
| ivoks | see you guys... | 11:03 |
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| dholbach | hey zakame ! | 11:08 |
| dholbach | :) | 11:08 |
| dholbach | welcome | 11:08 |
| zakame | hello all | 11:08 |
| dholbach | you're just right here - 2 weeks to fix the universe :) | 11:08 |
| \sh | hehe | 11:09 |
| ogra | hi zakame | 11:09 |
| zakame | I hope I'm not too late | 11:09 |
| zakame | ogra: hi! =) | 11:09 |
| dholbach | no, surely not | 11:09 |
| ogra | its never to late to join MOTU ;) | 11:09 |
| zakame | :) I'm reading MOTUGettingIntoIt now... so, I gather that I start packaging first then I put these packages for review, like debian-mentors? | 11:13 |
| dholbach | zakame: wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU is for the review part | 11:15 |
| zakame | ah | 11:16 |
| dholbach | zakame: we're currently working on wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo and wiki.ubuntu.com/Transitions | 11:16 |
| === ajmitch wanders back in | ||
| dholbach | the big difference to the debian maintainer world is that we do team maintenance | 11:16 |
| zakame | dholbach: yes, I am looking at MOTUTodo right now | 11:16 |
| dholbach | so if you happen to have a fix for a problem, you're welcome to get it in :) | 11:16 |
| zakame | dholbach: cool! | 11:16 |
| infinito | \sh: excuse me... the gcfilms problem of this morning on debian seems to be fixed now | 11:20 |
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| infinito | maybe someone can try to sync it now.... | 11:21 |
| \sh | infinito: we have to check it first...do it tomorrow... | 11:21 |
| \sh | have it on my todo | 11:21 |
| infinito | \sh: ok, thanks | 11:22 |
| ajmitch | 'some patch for stupid pbuilders'? heh.. | 11:22 |
| infinito | hehehe | 11:22 |
| ajmitch | what an attitude :) | 11:22 |
| infinito | the debian packager told me in his pbuilder there was no problem | 11:22 |
| infinito | he wrote the changelog... ;) | 11:23 |
| ajmitch | yet everyone else can reproduce it :P | 11:23 |
| zakame | stupid pbuilders?!? | 11:23 |
| infinito | i'm still not sure what was happening... we just disabled the write permissions check | 11:24 |
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| zakame | hello bddebian | 11:53 |
| bddebian | Heya zakame | 11:53 |
| dholbach | bddebian: zakame is here to beat you in the upload statistics soon :) | 11:54 |
| nybble | i salute all of you. brave souls you are :D | 11:54 |
| dholbach | hey nybble | 11:55 |
| nybble | hello dholbach | 11:55 |
| nybble | whats shakin? | 11:55 |
| dholbach | BUG TRIAGE :) | 11:55 |
| bddebian | dholbach: Oh yeah? | 11:55 |
| dholbach | absolutely | 11:56 |
| bddebian | Hmm, I better get to work then eh? :-) | 11:56 |
| zakame | hehe | 11:56 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: schedule more bug days thx ;) | 11:56 |
| bddebian | Yeah, we want < 500!! | 11:57 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: everyday's a bug day | 11:57 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: I know, but some days are extra special | 11:57 |
| dholbach | yeah, like christmas :) | 11:57 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: it helps motivate people when you know that others are going to be around to help triage on a particular day | 11:58 |
| dholbach | absolutely | 11:58 |
| dholbach | we hope to achieve a bit of it in the desktpTeam | 11:58 |
| === ajmitch has to get bug fixing asap | ||
| ajmitch | otherwise my karma will slip & I will die :) | 11:59 |
| bddebian | It does? Who was there for the last one? | 11:59 |
| === bddebian ducks | ||
| ajmitch | they were all scared off by your smart comments :P | 12:00 |
| bddebian | :'-( | 12:00 |
| bddebian | :-) | 12:00 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: so the desktop team needs some clear direction & leadership if it's going to succeed :) | 12:01 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: got a list of tasks that people can easily help out with? | 12:01 |
| dholbach | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | 12:01 |
| bddebian | You mean like the clear direction we all get? | 12:02 |
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