[12:04] <ajmitch> ok
[12:04] <ajmitch> there's plenty of that in universe :)
[12:05] <dholbach> :)
[12:05] <ajmitch> how about those apps that aren't part of the desktop, but are like f-spot, beagle, etc?
[12:06] <ogra> heh, the announcement produced a incredible long thread...
[12:06] <ajmitch> already?
[12:06] <dholbach> i guess it'll grow a BIGBIGBIG list
[12:06] <dholbach> ogra: goswin's law
[12:06] <ogra> unfortuantely not about the announcement :)
[12:06] <ajmitch> ogra: of course not
[12:07] <ogra> humans are silly :)
[12:07] <ogra> sometimes
[12:07] <dholbach> godwins law...
[12:07] <dholbach> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_Law :)
[12:08] <ajmitch> can someone ship me some spare time?
[12:10] <ogra> sorry... got none over here
[12:12] <ajmitch> :(
[12:13] <ajmitch> surely dholbach will have some to spare
[12:13] <dholbach> of course
[12:13] <ajmitch> great
[12:13] <dholbach> i'm just sitting around... bored, with too much time
[12:14] <ajmitch> that's a shame
[12:15] <slomo> dholbach: can you please look at mosml? i splitted it now... so when you're ok with it i can upload :)
[12:16] <dholbach> how long will you still be here?
[12:16] <slomo> dholbach: one hour maybe
[12:16] <dholbach> ok
[12:17] <ajmitch> silly me, i forgot to upload my wx 2.6 fix to smooth upgrades from hoary
[12:19] <dholbach> slomo: it's not up yet, is it?
[12:19] <slomo> nope...
[12:20] <slomo> maybe at 00:20
[12:20] <slomo> i uploaded it 3 minutes ago... so maybe i just missed the cronjob
[12:21] <slomo> and i tested the package with this split and everything works... the stuff in /usr/lib seems to be all needed
[12:27] <slomo> dholbach: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=659
[12:28] <ajmitch> considering its last upstream release was in 2000
[12:28] <ajmitch> and it's orphaned in debian
[12:45] <dholbach> slomo: advocated, made a note to it
[12:46] <bmonty> ajmitch: thats a good point, shouldn't there be a policy on how long universe will support non-developed packages?? especially if they never had a 1.0 release!
[12:47] <dholbach> slomo: advocated, made a note to it
[12:47] <ajmitch> bmonty: this is one for me to discuss with the zope team :)
[12:48] <ajmitch> but it's something we have to talk about
[12:48] <ajmitch> maybe at the next MOTU meeting
[12:48] <ajmitch> or UBZ
[12:48] <slomo> dholbach: the dependencies are that way for other -dev and -doc packages too ;)
[12:48] <slomo> dholbach: uploaded
[12:48] <bmonty> yeah, right now I just use the common sense test....how long has the package been unmaintained, and is it important, or is the functionality provided better by some other package
[12:49] <dholbach> slomo: the versioned dependencies :)
[12:49] <dholbach> but it's ok
[12:49] <slomo> dholbach: this mosml (= ${Source-Version}) ?
[12:49] <bmonty> off topic question: is anyone using a "single sign-on" solution on their network (i.e. kerberos, NIS), I'm looking to implement one and I'm interested in hearing recommendations
[12:50] <dholbach> yep
[12:50] <slomo> dholbach: that's afaik standard for such packages
[12:50] <dholbach> slomo: and the -doc package depended on the -dev package?
[12:51] <slomo> dholbach: ok, so now we have perfect sml support ;)
[12:51] <slomo> dholbach: the doc package doesn't make sense without the dev package
[12:51] <ajmitch> bmonty: for zope, we have to consider if the packages work with the supported zope versions (2.7, 2.8)
[12:51] <dholbach> slomo: i sometimes install doc packages just to be able to have a proper look at them
[12:52] <dholbach> slomo: but that's your choice
[12:52] <slomo> dholbach: hmm... so maybe a recommend is better?
[12:52] <bmonty> ajmitch: I agree with that...I'm not a zope expert, but what if ldap is something that nobody uses with zope, should universe continue to support it?
[12:52] <dholbach> slomo: yeah, i think so
[12:52] <dholbach> slomo: but it's OK the way it is
[12:53] <slomo> hm, next upload :)
[12:53] <Nafallo> slomo: -doc on the client when I'm configuring the server most often :-).
[12:57] <dholbach> good night everybody
[12:57] <slomo> gn8 :)
[12:58] <slomo> good night everybody
[12:58] <mbreit> night everybody
[12:59] <phlaegel> anybody around who works on php4 packages?
[12:59] <slomo> _the_ php4 packages or just some php4 packages?
[01:00] <phlaegel> _the_
[01:00] <slomo> infinity
[01:00] <tseng> infinity doesnt want them
[01:00] <tseng> aiui
[01:00] <phlaegel> who would? ;-)
[01:00] <tseng> not me
[01:00] <tseng> i ported to php5
[01:00] <slomo> hmm... he told me to not touch the php4 packages without asking him ;)
[01:00] <phlaegel> I just need it for mythweb
[01:01] <tseng> slomo: oh
[01:01] <tseng> phlaegel: it cant work with 5?
[01:01] <phlaegel> dunno, it depends on 4
[01:01] <slomo> well... good night ;)
[01:01] <tseng> most stuff should depend on 4 | 5 now if we can
[01:01] <tseng> please submit debdiffs
[01:14] <phlaegel> ok, it seems to work on php5
[01:14] <tseng> right
[01:32] <phlaegel> ok, how would I make a debdiff for this (I'm new to packaging, but would like to learn)
[01:32] <phlaegel> I've installed debdiff and wdiff and that works
[01:33] <phlaegel> but I'm not sure how the dependencies should work
[01:33] <\sh> debdiff package_old.dsc package_new.dsc > <name of diff>
[01:33] <\sh> but officially I'm sleeping
[01:33] <phlaegel> heh
[01:34] <\sh> apt-file (2.0.7ubuntu5) breezy; urgency=low
[01:34] <\sh>  .
[01:34] <\sh>      The "Don't read eMail after you woke up" Fix
[01:34] <\sh>    * Fixed a spelling typo (see Malone #2502)
[01:34] <\sh> eeks
[01:40] <ajmitch> \sh: impressive :)
[01:40] <\sh> it is *eg*
[01:46] <\sh> back to sleep...my nightmare doesn't come back I think
[01:47] <crimsun> night, sh
[02:12] <Riddell> once I've uploaded a package how can I remove it from revu?
[03:06] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[03:06] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[03:09] <abarbaccia> hey is anybody here in control of the mythtv-themes package
[03:09] <Lathiat> Whats up with it
[03:11] <ajmitch> hi Lathiat
[03:11] <ajmitch> Lathiat: got avahi?
[03:16] <abarbaccia> Lathiat, its not there!
[03:16] <abarbaccia> its referenced but not there - one of those ya know - but its needed because i only have 2 of my themes now that i upgraded
[03:21] <tambaqui> :)
[03:24] <abarbaccia> can someone create that package and upload it?
[03:25] <abarbaccia> or if somenoe wants to tell me how to i would love to help out
[03:27] <Lathiat> abarbaccia: Does it exist in debian?
[03:28] <abarbaccia> um, not sure - probably does
[03:28] <abarbaccia> i mean, the package depends on nothing
[03:28] <abarbaccia> it just moves folders into appropriate places
[03:28] <abarbaccia> no changing files or anything
[03:28] <abarbaccia> it just needs to be there to get the other 5 themes
[03:29] <Lathiat> You mean, the themes are there but they are in the wrong spot?
[03:32] <abarbaccia> no
[03:32] <abarbaccia> before the themes were all in the main package
[03:32] <abarbaccia> they took them out to save space and made a theme package
[03:32] <abarbaccia> which has the majority of them
[03:32] <abarbaccia> in the main package it only has like 2
[03:32] <abarbaccia> the other 5 official ones are in this theme package
[03:32] <ajmitch> Lathiat: mdz' package probably has them
[03:33] <ajmitch> if I can recall the url for his packages :)
[03:33] <ajmitch> ok, google worked
[03:33] <abarbaccia> i mean, it should be in the official repos right?
[03:33] <ajmitch> http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/binary-all/
[03:33] <abarbaccia> NO
[03:33] <abarbaccia> i hate that repo
[03:33] <ajmitch> looks like we can grab it
[03:33] <abarbaccia> well, we can take that one package
[03:33] <ajmitch> abarbaccia: get over it :P
[03:33] <abarbaccia> but he has stuff in there thats  all wrong
[03:34] <ajmitch> he's the debian packager
[03:34] <abarbaccia> well, you can tell him he compiled the transcode daemon without transcode on his system and i answer emails all the time from my site about "why isnt it working"
[03:34] <ajmitch> what do you think is wrong there?
[03:35] <abarbaccia> lets just grab the package - i like sticking to official ubuntu repos
[03:35] <abarbaccia> just a lil pet peeve of mine
[03:35] <ajmitch> considering he's one of the main ubuntu developers..
[03:35] <abarbaccia> hahaha
[03:36] <abarbaccia> i apprecaite his work a lot - its just funny
[03:36] <abarbaccia> i knew that was the repo u were talking about
[03:36] <abarbaccia> i run a site on getting mythtv running on ubuntu
[03:37] <abarbaccia> and people ALWAYS email me about that - and in the site i tell them that's what's wrong and why to stick to the sources i outlined
[03:37] <abarbaccia> but they dont listen
[03:49] <bddebian> ajmitch: I thought you didn't do any of this stuff?? ;-P
[03:49] <ajmitch> bddebian: I don't
[03:50] <ajmitch> I just lurk on irc & be a nuisance
[03:50] <bddebian> Heh
[03:52] <ajmitch> you didn't think I was actually useful, did you?
[03:52] <bddebian> I don't think, I KNOW :-)
[03:53] <ajmitch> you know that I'm not? you'd be right there ;)
[03:55] <bddebian> NO, I KNOW that you ARE!  beeatch
[04:51] <bmonty> anyone here?
[04:52] <bddebian> Nope :-)
[04:54] <bmonty> I've got a debdiff on #2518, but check out the comment on the page where you can change the bug status
[05:07] <bmonty> bddebian: can you check out the debdiff?
[05:11] <bddebian> bmonty: Sure give me sec
[05:11] <bmonty> thanks
[05:12] <bddebian> bmonty: OK.
[05:14] <bddebian> Oh, wait
[05:14] <bddebian> You mean from siretart about uploading with another bugfix?
[05:15] <bmonty> bddebian: yeah, but I can't find the other bug
[05:16] <bddebian> Have you pinged him?  Or checked the current changelog? :-)
[05:16] <bmonty> siretart is marked away, but I can check the changelog
[05:18] <bmonty> he did two uploads on 25 Sep to fix gcc 4.0 and python dependencies....I would guess he forgot about the desktop file
[05:18] <bddebian> Aye, kinda looks that way :-)
[05:25] <bmonty> I'll probably have another one in a couple minutes.....
[05:26] <bddebian> bmonty: OK.  I probably won't be able to upload until morning though
[05:27] <bmonty> no problem...the other one will be #738, I'm testing the package with a desktop file right now
[05:44] <bmonty> bddebian: #2518 and #738 have debdiffs ready for upload
[05:50] <bmonty> night everyone
[05:58] <bddebian> Gnight bmonty Good work
[06:12] <xerxas> bood night
[07:57] <\sh> moins
[07:58] <ajmitch> morning \sh
[07:58] <ajmitch> more apt-file fixes to do? :)
[07:59] <\sh> lol..no..just woke up..
[07:59] <ajmitch> well the last comment was that you should use wget, not curl :)
[07:59] <\sh> and got my first flash when I saw the new kernel and infinities fixes to libetpan which I don't understand
[08:00] <\sh> ajmitch: which is now the default and it pulls in the right deps
[08:00] <ajmitch> ok good
[08:03] <\sh> the last comment of the reporter was because of a spelling typo of "prefere" instead of the correct "prefer"
[08:03] <ajmitch> heh
[08:03] <\sh> ok..I think it's time to have a shower now and leaving for office
[08:04] <\sh> the magic of TZs in our world
[08:05] <\sh> cu a bit later from work :)
[08:35] <ajmitch> uh..
[08:36] <ajmitch> I wonder why my bug comment seems to be held for moderation now?
[08:36] <ajmitch> I guess malone has changed the from address now
[09:05] <siretart> morning
[09:09] <sivang> morning siretart
[09:13] <ajmitch> hi siretart
[09:13] <siretart> hi folks! :)
[09:32] <\sh> re
[09:32] <ajmitch> wb \sh
[09:32] <Treenaks> backslashsh
[09:35] <ajmitch> \sh: ready for another day of work^Wbreezy hacking? :)
[09:36] <Treenaks> ajmitch: where can I get a job like that? :)
[09:36] <ajmitch> Treenaks: ask \sh  ;)
[09:36] <Treenaks> \sh: ^^
[09:39] <\sh> what?
[09:39] <\sh> what's the request?
[09:41] <ivoks> hi
[09:41] <siretart> hi ivoks
[09:41] <ajmitch> \sh: a job that lets us work on ubuntu all day long :)
[09:41] <ajmitch> hi ivoks
[09:41] <\sh> ajmitch: hehehe :)
[09:41] <ivoks> so, everybody knows..
[09:41] <\sh> ajmitch: not all day long ;) as you saw yesterday :)
[09:41] <ajmitch> ivoks: we know?
[09:41] <ivoks> to use sudo, instead su
[09:42] <ivoks> instead of su
[09:42] <ivoks> argh... it's still morning :)
[09:42] <ajmitch> heh
[09:42] <\sh> gnome-apt? gksu ?
[09:42] <ivoks> yeah..
[09:42] <\sh> desktop file?
[09:43] <ivoks> nope
[09:43] <ivoks> C
[09:43] <\sh> eeks...I have to call the tax department :(
[09:43] <ivoks> it creates functions inside program
[09:44] <ajmitch> \sh: they want everything you own?
[09:48] <\sh> ajmitch: sure ;)
[09:48] <ajmitch> well that's the purpose of tax departments ;)
[09:49] <ajmitch> hm
[09:49] <ajmitch> someone saying they asked 'many times' in here for something to be synced, which hasn't been released yet?
[09:49] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:49] <ivoks> :)
[09:49] <jsgotangco> bad bad MOTU
[09:49] <jsgotangco> :)
[09:50] <ajmitch> :P
[09:50] <ivoks> argh
[09:50] <ivoks> i can't do this :)
[09:51] <jsgotangco> OT: does anyone have a clue how may ports BSD has
[09:54] <ajmitch> \sh: you are listed as having tested gcfilms?
[09:54] <ajmitch> dholbach!!
[09:54] <dholbach> hi!
[09:55] <\sh> ajmitch: can be..I don't remeber ;)
[09:55] <ajmitch> \sh: you didn't ask for a sync of it? ;)
[09:55] <\sh> ajmitch: no not that I know of...
[09:55] <ajmitch> \sh: I see it's been on that page for almost 2 months
[09:56] <ajmitch> no wonder he wrote to ubuntu-devel about it :)
[09:56] <\sh> ajmitch: who?
[09:56] <ajmitch> infinito, I think
[09:56] <\sh> ajmitch: wait
[09:57] <\sh> gcfilms had issues when I would be synced from debian...I tested it and it failed to build...I told infinito about this
[09:57] <ajmitch> ah ok
[09:57] <\sh> after that I didn't care about it anymore
[09:57] <ajmitch> heh
[09:57] <\sh> well..u know my age and the other work
[09:57] <ajmitch> yes, we can't help the elderly ;)
[09:57] <\sh> I have to make a mind-note to remind elmo to NEW libetpan3
[09:57] <\sh> which replaces libetpan1
[09:58] <ajmitch> tomboy is quite good
[09:58] <\sh> ajmitch: yeah using it..quite slow somehow
[09:58] <ajmitch> you just need a dual-core box :)
[09:58] <\sh> ajmitch: oh yes...please send me one ;)
[09:59] <infinito> excuse me... you were talking about gcfilms
[09:59] <ajmitch> haha
[09:59] <ajmitch> infinito: we ewre
[10:00] <ajmitch> were, that is..
[10:00] <\sh> argl
[10:00] <infinito> i filled to MOTUToSync entry 'cause \sh told me problems we're solved with latest update (5.3)
[10:00] <infinito> but that was on july
[10:01] <infinito> 5.2 was missing a build-dep on debian/control, it's fixed now (in fact in july)
[10:01] <\sh> I told you it has problems...
[10:01] <\sh> but did i told you the problems were fixed? oh man...I'm old and mentally sick ;)
[10:02] <infinito> \sh: yes, you told me to fill te MOTUToSync entry with ++
[10:02] <zyga> morning :)
[10:02] <\sh> infinito: sorry about it...I will put it on my list of syncs for today, ok?
[10:02] <infinito> \sh: thank you very much
[10:02] <ajmitch> it'd need resynced once 6.0 was out anyway :)
[10:03] <ajmitch> assuming that you get it released in the next week or so
[10:03] <\sh> infinito: you are whitelisted?
[10:03] <infinito> \sh: whitelisted? umm, dont know... maybe not
[10:04] <siretart> infinito: can you please comment on http://tiber.tauware.de/
[10:04] <\sh> infinito: wiki.ubuntu.com/Uploads <- section about whitelisting yourself for breezy changes
[10:04] <siretart> infinito: can you please comment on http://tiber.tauware.de/~siretart/gcfilms.buildlog
[10:05] <ajmitch> hm, doesn't look good :)
[10:05] <\sh> siretart: oergs
[10:05] <ajmitch> siretart: btw I think LVM snapshots for the builds could be good :)
[10:06] <\sh> infinito: and your realname I need
[10:06] <\sh> I mean it's just postponed the sync
[10:07] <infinito> \sh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdolfoGonzalez
[10:07] <siretart> ajmitch: sure, that was suggested on debian-devel I think, too ;)
[10:07] <ajmitch> siretart: sure
[10:08] <ajmitch> siretart: I saw people talking about it in #d-d today also
[10:08] <siretart> oh. :)
[10:08] <ajmitch> and I know the pbuilder author was considering support for it
[10:08] <\sh> ;)
[10:08] <ajmitch> \sh: hah
[10:09] <\sh> markuman: ping did u upload your key to the keyservers?
[10:09] <ajmitch> no CoC to maintain the peace there ;)
[10:09] <\sh> ajmitch: well...I think some mainainers of debian don't like me
[10:09] <siretart> \sh: it's a quite busy channel. imo way more busy than #u-devel
[10:10] <ajmitch> \sh: quite probably
[10:10] <ajmitch> \sh: MOTUs do quick fixes :)
[10:10] <\sh> well...anyways..brb cause of real life work :)
[10:10] <ajmitch> ok :)
[10:12] <infinito> siretart: the problem it's that we have a _ugly_ hack on install script to check permissions before installing
[10:12] <infinito> siretart: if you don't have permission to write on /tmp, the .png file wont get installed, so the build fails
[10:12] <infinito> i think
[10:13] <infinito> but i got a question, why it works on debian (sid and etch) and doesn't work on ubuntu?
[10:15] <ivoks> i give up
[10:15] <ajmitch> infinito: sorry, but it doesn't work on sid for me either
[10:15] <ivoks> what?
[10:16] <ajmitch> infinito: although my sid is a chroot setup
[10:16] <ajmitch> infinito: which could possibly be what is causing it (it would cause it to break on buildds as well)
[10:17] <infinito> ajmitch: maybe (just maybe) in buildds, user have no permission to write in /usr/share/pixmaps, which i think is the problem
[10:17] <ajmitch> infinito: umm
[10:18] <ivoks> ??
[10:18] <ajmitch> packages should *never* install stuff into /usr
[10:18] <ajmitch> when building
[10:18] <ivoks> bad packaging, bad... :/
[10:18] <infinito> the install script just checks for permission there, but doesn't install anything, i think
[10:18] <ajmitch> that's why makefiles respect DESTDIR & install there
[10:19] <ajmitch>        copy 'share/gcfilms/icons/gcfilms_logo128.png', '/usr/share/pixmaps/gcfilms.png'
[10:19] <ajmitch>                 if (-w '/usr/share/pixmaps');
[10:19] <infinito> our install script, not the debian packaging
[10:19] <ajmitch> yes
[10:19] <ajmitch> that's your install script
[10:19] <ajmitch> which the debian packaging uses
[10:20] <infinito> we just wanted a clean way to add the .desktop file for the application, if you have permissions, the .desktop file will be installed
[10:21] <infinito> but maybe we should remove that...
[10:21] <ivoks> infinito: $(prefix)
[10:21] <ivoks> you should use $(prefix)/share/pixmaps/
[10:21] <ivoks> if someone wants to install it in /opt
[10:21] <ivoks> you can't put anything outside /opt
[10:22] <ivoks> that's why building fails on every debian system
[10:22] <ajmitch> it would succeed if you built as root
[10:22] <ivoks> yes :/
[10:22] <ajmitch> this is why building as root is unsafe :)
[10:23] <ivoks> but it wouldn't install where I want
[10:23] <ajmitch> a simple misplaced rm in a makefile could be very dangerous :)
[10:23] <infinito> i know
[10:23] <ivoks> :>
[10:23] <siretart> infinito: debian allows binary uploads. in ubuntu, we only have sourceful uploads. and we cannot include/update your package if it does not build
[10:24] <ivoks> gr..
[10:24] <ivoks> pida has transparent icon :/
[10:24] <infinito> i just thought adding a .desktop file to /usr/share/applications was good to the final user, but i was wrong
[10:25] <siretart> infinito: this is gernerally a good idea, but better let this do the packaging scripts
[10:26] <infinito> siretart: i know, but our .tar.gz was downloaded more times that the pkgd versions, so we wanted people to have an easy way to access gcfilms when it was installed
[10:26] <siretart> infinito: this is not a problem. The packaging script can patch this call out and replace it with a 'safe' call/version
[10:28] <infinito> siretart: anyway, i thought the debian packager had fixed those problems....
[10:28] <\sh> infinito: the right way to install your .desktop file or your png should be in your makefile like this: $(INSTALL) share/gcfilms/icons/gcfilms_logo128.png $(DESTDIR)$(PREFIX)/share/gcfilms/icons/gcfilms_logo128.png
[10:28] <ajmitch> infinito: no, there's a release-critical bug in debian about this as well
[10:28] <ajmitch> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=326229
[10:29] <\sh> $(INSTALL) share/applications/gcfilms.desktop $(DESTDIR)$(PREFIX)share/applications/gcfilms.desktop
[10:29] <ajmitch> \sh: it's a perl script, rather than make
[10:29] <\sh> ajmitch: eeks
[10:29] <ajmitch> :D
[10:30] <\sh> ajmitch: perl packages are honoring DESTDIR with MakeMaker or what the bloody module is named ;)
[10:30] <infinito> ummm, anyway, if you don't have permission to write at /usr/sshare/pixmaps, the script wont fail
[10:30] <\sh> infinito: which is wrong...
[10:31] <\sh> infinito: when I'm installing into another $(PREFIX) there is no /usr/
[10:31] <\sh> infinito: installing a package means, via root normally when "root" is installing it systemwide
[10:31] <\sh> infinito: installing the package as user means: no systemwide, no root, no permissions for /usr/
[10:32] <infinito> ok, what we do is, if you're allowed to write at /usr/share/applications, then the .desktop file goes there
[10:32] <\sh> and this is no debian packaging bug..:)
[10:32] <infinito> if not, the .desktop file goes to ~/.local/sahre/applications
[10:32] <\sh> infinito: when you compile gnome or kde looking for .desktop files in /opt/bla/foo/desktopfiles ?
[10:32] <\sh> infinito: how are you fulfilling this request
[10:32] <\sh> ?
[10:32] <ajmitch> infinito: the install script really should honour prefix
[10:33] <infinito> yes, i see, i'm gonna change it and commit it to cvs
[10:34] <\sh> ok...datacenter work...bbl
[10:34] <ivoks> but the worst thing about debian's #326229
[10:35] <ivoks> is that packages says everything is ok :)
[10:35] <ivoks> packager
[10:35] <ajmitch> yeah..
[10:36] <ivoks> i'll send him an email
[10:36] <ivoks> :)
[10:37] <infinito> so.... what is the best way to fix it?
[10:39] <siretart> infinito: make your install script honor $DESTDIR
[10:39] <infinito> ummm, i think it fails not for the .desktop and .png installing...
[10:39] <infinito> it fails when checking permissions on $PREFIX
[10:40] <ajmitch> hah nice, zope upstream is using rosetta for translations :)
[10:40] <siretart> perhaps it is a confusing error message that the specified dir does not exist (yet)?
[10:40] <siretart> in this case a mkdir would help
[10:40] <siretart> perhaps calling install -D helps, too
[10:41] <infinito> we do this:
[10:41] <infinito> eval 'mkpath $dir' if (! -e $dir);
[10:41] <infinito>     if (-w $dir && !$@)
[10:42] <infinito> and there build fails
[10:42] <infinito> not sure why...
[10:42] <siretart> strange
[10:43] <markuman> siretart, i have send you an email because revu, but the mail arrived at sebastian d. (slomo?)?
[10:44] <infinito> buildds try to install on /tmp/buildd/gcfilms-5.3/debian/gcfilms/usr, and it should have write perms there, so dont know what's happening
[10:45] <dholbach> anyone wants to investigate if it's worth getting a new mergeant in? Malone 2383?
[10:48] <ivoks> if it's a year old...
[10:48] <ivoks> and builds/works ok...
[10:48] <ajmitch> dholbach: how many libs would it pull in?
[10:48] <ajmitch> ivoks: new package, not the one in debian
[10:48] <dholbach> i think it want libgnomedb and libgda
[10:48] <dholbach> which are in main
[10:48] <ajmitch> they're the right version?
[10:48] <dholbach> so we'll have to have a look what is possible
[10:49] <dholbach> there was an announce of 1.99 or something
[10:49] <dholbach> 1.9.99
[10:49] <ajmitch> mergeant 0.62 is latest
[10:49] <dholbach> they'll hit 2.0 soon (the libs)
[10:49] <dholbach> libgda / libgnomedb
[10:49] <ajmitch> dholbach: yes, but they're frozen in main :)
[10:49] <ivoks> :)
[10:50] <ajmitch> PKG_CHECK_MODULES(MERGEANT, libgnomedb-2.0 >= 1.3.90 \ libgda-2.0 >= 1.3.90 \
[10:50] <dholbach> yeah, so we have to check
[10:50] <ajmitch> we have 1.2.1
[10:51] <ajmitch> so you'd have to give a *great* reason for upgrading those :)
[10:51] <ajmitch> even though gnome has a general uvf exception, I think caution is good :)
[10:51] <dholbach> absolutely
[10:51] <ajmitch> although the only rdepends in breezy is mergeant
[10:52] <dholbach> hm?
[10:52] <dholbach> then why is it in main?
[10:52] <ajmitch> libgda2-3 has far more rdepends
[10:52] <koke> humm, I was checking the changelog and I've find a patch from me that I can't remember :)
[10:52] <dholbach> yeah
[10:53] <ajmitch> hey koke
[10:53] <dholbach> koke, nice to see you
[10:53] <ivoks> :)
[10:53] <ajmitch> dholbach: including libgnome-cil, so if you break mono stuff you'll get the wrath of the mono team ;)
[10:53] <dholbach> i see
[10:53] <dholbach> :)
[10:53] <dholbach> GDA BREAKAGE! :)
[10:54] <ivoks> hm
[10:54] <ivoks> meld: Depends: python (< 2.4)
[10:55] <ajmitch> eh?
[10:55] <ivoks> old one doesn't work
[10:55] <ivoks> new one depends on <2.4 :)
[10:55] <ajmitch> ivoks: new one being the one in sid?
[10:55] <ivoks> yes
[10:55] <ajmitch> then of course it'll have that depend :)
[10:56] <ivoks> :)
[10:56] <ivoks> can we repackage it to depend on python2.3?
[10:56] <ajmitch> no
[10:56] <ivoks> ok
[10:56] <ajmitch> we repackage it to depend on python (>= 2.4), python (<< 2.5)
[10:56] <ajmitch> once it is tested to work ok on 2.4
[10:57] <ivoks> ah, ok
[10:58] <ajmitch> ivoks: no open bugs in gnome bugzilla about failure with 2.4, so it should be safe
[10:58] <ivoks> ok
[11:01] <ivoks> ok, this needs only sync from debian
[11:01] <ivoks> hm..
[11:01] <ajmitch> why?
[11:01] <ivoks> but it has the same bug :/
[11:02] <ivoks> *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0xb798cd80 ***
[11:02] <ajmitch> lovely
[11:03] <ivoks> hm.........
[11:04] <ajmitch> yay for upstream bugs
[11:04] <ivoks> but this bug is easy to spot
[11:04] <ivoks> just start new, open source and - crash
[11:05] <ajmitch> heh
[11:08] <ivoks> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/rhythmbox-applet/+bug/2564 - hm
[11:13] <infinito> siretart: so there's no way to get gcfilms on ubuntu right now, right?
[11:14] <ajmitch> infinito: currently it's not in the archive
[11:16] <ivoks> ah...
[11:16] <siretart> infinito: sure it is
[11:16] <siretart> infinito: we need a fixed package, then we can upload
[11:16] <ivoks> or we could fix package ? :)
[11:16] <infinito> siretart: so how can we do it?
[11:21] <ivoks> oh LOL!
[11:21] <ivoks> check this out
[11:21] <ivoks> http://www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/scim/
[11:21] <ivoks> udo chmod 646 /etc/X11/Xsession.d/74custom-scim_startup
[11:21] <ivoks> wtf? 646? :))
[11:33] <infinito> siretart: how can i set up a build env like yours to try to see what is the problem with gcfilms install script?
[11:36] <ivoks> fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage
[11:36] <siretart> infinito: I tried it in a pbuilder
[11:36] <ivoks> dpkg-buildpackage shoud generate error too, since you run it as a user
[11:36] <siretart> infinito: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto for instructions how to setup
[11:37] <infinito> it's kinda strange 'cause it fails to check write perms on --prefix
[11:44] <siretart> btw, does anyone know what happened to pbuilder-uml?
[11:44] <siretart> some docs are referring to a package called pbuilder-uml, but I cannot find it :(
[11:45] <dholbach> uml stuff was removed, because it didnt'  work at all
[11:45] <dholbach> that was before hoary release
[11:45] <ajmitch> dholbach: #ubuntu-desktop looks like it could be useful :)
[11:45] <sivang> pbuilder under uml, cool :)
[11:53] <ivoks> that's it...
[11:53] <ivoks> no more bugfixing today :)
[12:27] <crimsun> ogra, I'm heading to bed soon, but please ping elmo regarding promoting libpostproc-dev (src:ffmpeg) from multiverse to universe, which would allow me to drastically reduce vlc's diff.gz
[12:27] <ogra> oki
[12:27] <crimsun> thanks!
[12:27] <ogra> :)
[12:27] <ogra> sleep well
[12:27] <crimsun> danke
[12:41] <dholbach> i suppose i'll make universe-bugs non-moderated
[12:42] <dholbach> people are already replying to bugs via mail and regarding the new mail header of malone bugs, that seems to make more sense
[12:42] <dholbach> hope we don't ge tspammed
[12:42] <ajmitch> we will
[12:42] <\sh> hmmm...are those reports via mail going back to LP?
[12:42] <dholbach> \sh: yes
[12:43] <dholbach> and i don't want to be flooded in "approve mail a,b,c" requests
[12:43] <dholbach> ajmitch: spam mail?
[12:43] <dholbach> #2505 is such an example
[12:43] <ajmitch> dholbach: I'd say so - it's a fact of life on the net :)
[12:43] <dholbach> argl
[12:44] <\sh> ogra: read a comment to http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/107-Please-shutdown-.....html
[12:45] <ogra> \sh, go ! offer decss!
[12:45] <ogra> :)
[12:47] <\sh> ogra: no I won't :) but now they're complaining...but even Thomas Janssen saw the problems now after upgrading to breezy ,-)
[12:47] <ogra> yup
[01:02] <siretart> a similar discussion is on -devel (mailinglist)
[01:22] <siretart> package has version 20050207. whats the correct ubuntu1 version?
[01:23] <siretart> 20050207ubuntu1? or 20050207.ubuntu1?
[01:23] <ajmitch> 20050207ubuntu1
[01:23] <siretart> okay
[01:23] <siretart> just wanted to be sure
[01:26] <ArneCas> I am looking for a virtual package that has all the dependecies to develop a GTK+ application. Ideally it would install gcc, gtk2-devel, make, libtool, pkg-config by selecting a single package. Is such a thing available?
[01:26] <infinito> im trying to set a breezy pbuilder, but it fails with update-notifier error, can anyone tell me howto fix this?
[01:33] <siretart> ArneCas: `aptitude install build-essential gnome-devel` would be my first try
[01:34] <ArneCas> siretart: someone at ubuntu-desktop said this seems to be a debian package that might depend on the wrong version of gnome
[01:37] <sistpoty> hi folks
[01:45] <siretart> huhu sistpoty
[01:45] <sistpoty> hi siretart
[01:59] <ivoks> hi
[02:00] <sistpoty> hi ivoks
[02:00] <ivoks> \sh: i see you are having nice converstaion with Pete :)
[02:00] <ivoks> \sh: and over 400 hits! wow! it's even on http://www.nitwitz.be/ :))
[02:12] <ivoks> did anyone tried ipod with breezy?
[02:14] <bmonty> siretart: are you still working on the lyx package? I added a debdiff to #2518 that adds the missing desktop files.
[02:14] <siretart> bmonty: lyx is missing /usr/bin/lyx currently
[02:14] <dholbach> oh nice :-)
[02:14] <siretart> bmonty: I'm waiting for this bug to be fixed, too, and upload a fixed package along with your .desktop file
[02:14] <bmonty> siretart: you get lyx-qt and lyx-xforms
[02:15] <siretart> bmonty: sorry?
[02:15] <bmonty> siretart: depending on which package you install you get lyx-qt or lyx-xforms as the binary
[02:17] <siretart> bmonty: yes. and /usr/bin/lyx should be an link to /etc/alternatives/lyx which itself links to /usr/bin/lyx-qt or -xforms
[02:17] <siretart> bmonty: which is missing currently. bug against debian already filed, I wait for response on the debian side
[02:17] <bmonty> makes sense to me :)
[02:17] <siretart> bmonty: short: I did not forget you and lyx ;)
[02:18] <bmonty> just wanted to make sure you new the debdiff was there so effort wasn't duplicated
[02:18] <bmonty> gotta go...time for work
[02:18] <siretart> bmonty: just make sure the malone bug has the latest file
[02:18] <siretart> I'll take it from there
[02:19] <bmonty> done!
[02:20] <siretart> thanks!
[02:22] <persia> I've a question about Malone bugs: there are a couple bugs with the same solution, but different reported problems.  Should they be marked as duplicates, or left separate (only one package needs adjustment)?
[02:22] <siretart> just make a comment mentioning that
[02:23] <persia> Already done: just that someone closed one of them without applying the fix, so I thought I'd ask whether consolidation made sense.  Thanks.
[02:24] <siretart> oh
[02:34] <ivoks> dholbach: trolltech video is... OMG :)
[02:47] <sebest> ivoks, which video?
[02:50] <ivoks> lol, firefox crashed
[02:50] <ivoks> sebest: sec...
[02:51] <ivoks> sebest: http://www.trolltech.com/video/qt4dance.html
[02:51] <sebest> ivoks: thanx
[02:51] <ivoks> be aware
[02:51] <ivoks> this guys burned out :))
[02:52] <sebest> you also have a lot of crash with firefox?
[02:52] <ivoks> no, this is firt one
[02:52] <sebest> for me it crashes really often since 2 weeks
[02:53] <ivoks> i don't use any extensions
[02:53] <sebest> it seems to be related to the video plugin mplayer or totem
[02:53] <ivoks> and do the qt4 dance :))
[02:54] <ivoks> sebest: this one was related to totem
[02:54] <ivoks> sebest: i clicked on mpeg, it started totem plugin
[02:54] <ivoks> i hit back and it crashed
[02:54] <sebest> i'm using mplayer-plugin, and also some crash
[02:55] <xerxas> Hi everyone
[02:55] <xerxas> can I reopen a fixed bug in malone ?
[02:56] <ivoks> xerxas: sure
[02:56] <xerxas> ivoks: don't find where
[02:57] <ivoks> xerxas: wich bug?
[02:59] <xerxas> ivoks: 2530
[02:59] <xerxas> ivoks: I made bad work
[02:59] <xerxas> I reported a simple bug , that had a simple fix, but it breaks others things :)
[03:00] <xerxas> didn't tested enough, but found some patch which fixes it in gentoo.
[03:00] <havoc> ivoks: heh, I have the same LCD as the guy in the video
[03:00] <ivoks> havoc: :)
[03:00] <ivoks> havoc: but checkout the dance :)
[03:01] <havoc> freaks :)
[03:01] <xerxas> ivoks:  ?
[03:01] <xerxas> are you looking the bug ?
[03:01] <ivoks> xerxas: sec...
[03:02] <ivoks> xerxas: well, you didn't do anything :)
[03:02] <ivoks> xerxas: new version is in archive
[03:03] <xerxas> ivoks: but new version breaks stuff
[03:03] <xerxas> if I load the plugin , it works
[03:03] <ivoks> xerxas: like what?
[03:03] <xerxas> then I quit xchat-gnome
[03:03] <xerxas> restart xchat-gnome
[03:03] <xerxas> segfault
[03:03] <xerxas> but I have a patch that fixes it
[03:03] <ivoks> reopen the bug
[03:03] <xerxas> there is no status "reopened"
[03:03] <xerxas> or didn't found it
[03:03] <ivoks> click on Ubuntu xchat-systray
[03:04] <ivoks> and change status to New
[03:04] <segfault> me?
[03:04] <xerxas> nope :)
[03:04] <xerxas> just segfault
[03:04] <xerxas> not u
[03:04] <xerxas> ivoks:  ok
[03:05] <ivoks> xerxas: and comment how this all happend
[03:05] <ivoks> i mean, crashing :)
[03:05] <xerxas> yep
[03:05] <xerxas> I have some diff that fixes it
[03:05] <xerxas> must try before
[03:05] <ivoks> ok
[03:06] <ivoks> well, motu that uploads it should test it too
[03:08] <xerxas> :)
[03:08] <xerxas> nevermind, will get fixed
[03:08] <xerxas> I can't know who's the MOTU that fixed it ?
[03:11] <ivoks> dholbach :)
[03:12] <sistpoty> cya
[03:13] <ivoks> sebest: did you saw the movie?
[03:13] <sebest> yeah :) funny movie!
[03:22] <dholbach> ivoks, xerxas: what did i fix?
[03:28] <xerxas> dholbach: you fixed thet xchat-systray stuff ?
[03:28] <xerxas> hi dholbach
[03:28] <ivoks> dholbach: you just uploaded new version
[03:29] <ivoks> dholbach: ales clar :)
[03:29] <\sh> ivoks: alles klar ,-)
[03:29] <xerxas> ivoks: a new version of hat ?
[03:29] <xerxas> what
[03:29] <ivoks> argh...
[03:29] <dholbach> xerxas, ivoks: i never made an xchat-systray uploac
[03:30] <xerxas> don't understand anything at all , nevermind
[03:30] <ivoks> \sh: thanks, it's been a while..
[03:30] <dholbach> xerxas, ivoks: you can have a look at /usr/share/doc/xchat-systray/changelog.Debian.gz for that
[03:30] <\sh> ivoks: nafallo uploaded the last xchat-systray
[03:30] <ivoks> dholbach: sorry, not you :)
[03:30] <ivoks> ah, my mistake
[03:30] <\sh> Von: 	Christian Bjlevik <nafallo@ubuntu.com>
[03:30] <\sh> Antwort an: 	ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[03:30] <\sh> An: 	breezy-changes@lists.ubuntu.com
[03:30] <\sh> Betreff: 	Accepted xchat-systray 2.4.5-2ubuntu1 (source)
[03:30] <\sh> Datum: 	Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:55:02 +0100 (BST)  (11:55 CEST)
[03:31] <ivoks> Christian Bjalevik
[03:31] <xerxas> yep
[03:31] <xerxas> saw it
[03:31] <ivoks> dholbach: i'm sorry
[03:31] <dholbach> don't worry
[03:31] <dholbach> i just wanted to know, what i was supposed to have done :-p
[03:32] <ajmitch> dholbach: i will get you pwlib (libpt) fix in the morning, is that ok?
[03:32] <dholbach> ajmitch: yeah
[03:32] <dholbach> ajmitch: thank you
[03:32] <ajmitch> remind me about it then - it's compiling now ;)
[03:33] <dholbach> sleep tight :)
[03:33] <ivoks> ajmitch: 'night
[03:39] <\sh> I'm going shopping...buying linksys router....
[03:39] <\sh> later dudes until CC
[03:45] <ivoks> ah, i'll go now too..
[03:45] <ivoks> see you! bye
[03:54] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:55] <havoc> hello
[03:56] <bddebian> Heya havoc
[03:57] <bddebian> bmonty: You here?
[04:09] <bddebian> Why does the search function on Malone suck so bad?
[04:28] <mvo> wdm is broken (if someone is interessted). may only be a matter of fixing the init script
[04:37] <StrikeForce> dholbach, ping
[04:39] <StrikeForce> dholbach, just to tell you debian will have a new version of istanbul soon
[04:39] <bddebian> mvo: Broken how?
[04:39] <StrikeForce> someone has just uploaded it to mentors looking for a sponsor
[04:40] <StrikeForce> and supposedly the bugs that are listed in the debian bug list are fixed. :)
[04:40] <mvo> bddebian: it dosn't start a display manager when it's installed
[04:41] <bddebian> mvo: OK
[04:44] <bddebian> Heya \sh
[04:44] <\sh> moins barry :)
[04:50] <bddebian> bmonty: 738 and 2518 are uploaded so go ahead and close those bugs. :-)  Thanks.
[04:57] <ivoks> interesting idea for security messure
[04:57] <ivoks> noexec on /home
[04:58] <\sh> noexec on /tmp is a must ;)
[04:58] <ivoks> \sh: NO!
[04:58] <ivoks> i see you never installed debian  :))
[04:58] <\sh> ivoks: YES if you run vulnerable php software ;)
[04:58] <jamessan|work> noexec on /home is evil
[04:58] <ivoks> jamessan|work: no, that's good stuff :)
[04:59] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[04:59] <ivoks> \sh: noexec on /tmp - no preinst, postinst, prerm or postrm
[04:59] <\sh> ivoks: this must be changed...
[04:59] <ivoks> \sh: all those scripts fail
[04:59] <ivoks> \sh: to what? /var/tmp? :)
[04:59] <jamessan|work> ivoks: what about all the little scripts I write and throw in ~/bin ?
[05:00] <\sh> default install of php says /tmp for http put/post uploads and this can be evil
[05:00] <ivoks> jamessan|work: i'm aware of that
[05:00] <ivoks> jamessan|work: and i look at my ~/bin
[05:00] <ivoks> jamessan|work: nothing :)
[05:01] <ivoks> jamessan|work: if they are scripts
[05:01] <ivoks> jamessan|work: perl my_script.pl
[05:01] <ivoks> but don't exec them
[05:01] <jamessan|work> that's a lot more typing for little convenience scripts
[05:01] <ivoks> jamessan|work: i know, that's why it's secure
[05:02] <ivoks> trojans/worms will come to linux
[05:02] <ivoks> and we need better security aproach
[05:03] <ivoks> if user can download file, run it, then he/she gets same thing as with windows
[05:03] <ivoks> http://linuxtoday.com/security/2005092601926OPDTMS
[05:05] <ivoks> kde4 promisses really great stuff
[05:05] <jamessan|work> the better solution is to worry more about security when writing software, so there aren't as many bugs/exploits.  you can't train the average user to not look at every thing that gets sent to them and inconveniencing the users won't attract a user base
[05:06] <ivoks> you don't need bug/exploit to start a rm -rf *
[05:06] <ivoks> you need online shell script
[05:06] <ivoks> one-line
[05:07] <ivoks> linux isn't like windows, users don't download executables and run it from home
[05:07] <jamessan|work> yes, and setting noexec doesn't prevent that from being run
[05:07] <ivoks> jamessan|work: it does
[05:07] <ivoks> jamessan|work: it requests that user runs sh delete.sh
[05:07] <jamessan|work> no, it just changes how it is run
[05:08] <ivoks> people will never write secure software
[05:08] <ivoks> we can't do that
[05:08] <ivoks> so we have to protect our selfs from our selfs
[05:09] <jamessan|work> yes, secure software can be developed, but people don't focus on security because it's not as glamorous as features X, Y, and Z
[05:09] <ivoks> i think noexec on home is unusuall idea that would be quite good to investigate
[05:09] <markuman> ive got 3 questions to dput. :-/ first: http://paste.debian.net/2087 is the .dput.cf correct?
[05:09] <ivoks> jamessan|work: ah, but there is so much software
[05:10] <ivoks> jamessan|work: you can't expect everybody to follow some guidelines
[05:10] <ivoks> jamessan|work: and we can't go trough every single line of every source
[05:10] <bddebian> Heya slomo
[05:10] <slomo> hi bddebian
[05:10] <jamessan|work> ivoks: I can expect it. I just know that people won't.
[05:11] <dholbach> StrikeForce: oh cool - i'll have a look at that
[05:12] <ivoks> jamessan|work: that's the problem, people won't develope secure soft
[05:12] <ivoks> jamessan|work: so, we can say "eh.." or do something about it
[05:12] <ivoks> :)
[05:13] <mvo> bddebian: the wdm problem looks like something more general. xdm dosn't start either
[05:13] <mvo> (but the init script pathes are still wrong)
[05:13] <bddebian> ack
[05:14] <ivoks> markuman: it's ok
[05:14] <markuman> ivoks, ok thx. the 2nd question: "please only do signed uploads". how to sign an upload?
[05:15] <bddebian> debuild -S -sa
[05:15] <bddebian> Or sign the changes after a build
[05:16] <markuman> ok thx.
[05:16] <ivoks> http://img396.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kdemockup7sj.swf
[05:17] <ivoks> checkout new KDE stuff
[05:17] <slomo> hi markuman... so you got your account now? ;)
[05:17] <markuman> and the 3rd question. i have to upload *.changes , *.diff *.dsc and the *.orig.tar.gz ?
[05:18] <markuman> slomo, i think yes ;-)
[05:18] <slomo> markuman: dput on the changes will upload everything
[05:18] <markuman> ok thx
[05:21] <jamessan|work> ivoks: that article really comes down to "Stupid users will do stupid things" and I say, let them do that and suffer the consequences.  You can't build foolproof software, because there will always be someone more foolish.  I've had a Windows system running for 5+ years without getting a single virus, worm, etc.
[05:22] <jamessan|work> ivoks: the types of users that are going to get into that trouble are the same ones that will complain they can't run programs they've downloaded into their home directory.
[05:24] <ivoks> jamessan|work: maybe
[05:30] <ivoks> anyway... see you
[06:04] <abarbaccia> hey all - a few things real quick - the package mythtv-themes is missing from the repositories, we can grab it from mdz's personal repositories and use that one - but it should be in the universe
[06:04] <ivoks> howdy
[06:05] <abarbaccia> secondly, theres an error somewhere in the mono packages or something because when using fspot it gives a mono error when trying to rotate
[06:06] <abarbaccia> the error is libmonoposixhelper.so
[06:06] <slomo> what error?
[06:08] <abarbaccia> hold on - i'll get it exact for you
[06:08] <abarbaccia> received error "libmonoposixhelper.xo" when trying to rotate <filename>
[06:10] <slomo> abarbaccia: ok, should be a problem in f-spot then... hm best would be to file a bug against f-spot in malone
[06:11] <tseng> uh
[06:12] <tseng> that doesnt sound like the real error
[06:12] <abarbaccia> slomo, how do you know its an error with fspot not the mono packages
[06:12] <tseng> if it threw an exception it would have given at least several lines
[06:12] <abarbaccia> well
[06:12] <abarbaccia> i just ran it in the terminal, and it doesnt give any more extra output
[06:13] <abarbaccia> wait
[06:13] <abarbaccia> yes it does hold on
[06:13] <tseng> its not even spelled right
[06:13] <tseng> so you just typed stuff in here instead of the real thing
[06:13] <slomo> abarbaccia: because the libmonoposixhelper.so seems to belong to f-spot... at least it doesn't belong to mono ;) so f-spot would be the best candidate
[06:13] <tseng> can you please post it on pastebin.ca
[06:13] <tseng> slomo: um
[06:13] <tseng> slomo: it does belong to mono
[06:14] <slomo> tseng: ?!
[06:14] <tseng> /usr/lib/libMonoPosixHelper.so
[06:14] <abarbaccia> http://pastebin.ca/24040
[06:14] <tseng> its libmono0
[06:14] <slomo> ah... wrong case ;) that's why i didn't find it...
[06:14] <tseng> yeah he retyped it
[06:14] <tseng> abarbaccia: did you just upgrade from hoary?
[06:14] <tseng> or
[06:15] <tseng> do you have libmono0 installed at all
[06:15] <abarbaccia> fresh install of breezy
[06:15] <tseng> f-spot doesnt depend on libmono0
[06:15] <tseng> ajmitch: ^
[06:15] <abarbaccia> i do not have libmono0 installed
[06:15] <tseng> install it and it will work
[06:15] <abarbaccia> well, then the fspot package needs to be updated
[06:16] <slomo> abarbaccia: and for the future paste the complete error somewhere ;)
[06:16] <tseng> i dont appreciate the attitude
[06:16] <tseng> but that is why i pinged ajmitch, the maintainer
[06:16] <tseng> to look at your issue
[06:16] <abarbaccia> tseng, no attitude - just a statement
[06:19] <abarbaccia> thank you though - another question - theres a package missing from the universe for mythtv
[06:19] <abarbaccia> its called mythtv-themes -> theres one compiled for debian already that we could grab that works and just put it in the universe from mdz's soucres
[06:19] <slomo> abarbaccia: when it's in mdz' personal repository he probably has a reason why he didn't upload it to universe (yet)
[06:20] <ivoks> um... mono just took 300MB :/
[06:20] <slomo> ivoks: ram?
[06:20] <abarbaccia> slomo, i thought it was more on the lines of it was forgotten, because the transition to the new mythtv made the main package into a main package and a theme package
[06:21] <ivoks> slomo: yeah
[06:22] <slomo> ivoks: beagle? ;)
[06:22] <slomo> abarbaccia: where's the package?
[06:22] <ivoks> slomo: could be
[06:22] <ivoks> slomo: happend after sharing folder over smb
[06:23] <slomo> ivoks: sounds like beagle ;) how do you know that it was mono but not what package it really was?
[06:23] <ivoks> couse top showed mono took 30% RAM :)
[06:23] <ivoks> and my computer started swaping - it never did that before :)
[06:23] <slomo> just look at the ps aux output :P
[06:23] <abarbaccia> slomo, deb http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian unstable mythtv
[06:25] <slomo> abarbaccia: hmm... probably just ask mdz about it
[06:26] <abarbaccia> i will one of these days...
[06:26] <tseng> mdz said he wants that stuff in universe
[06:26] <tseng> but is probably too busy
[06:26] <abarbaccia> well, he got all the packages on there
[06:26] <abarbaccia> except that one
[06:26] <abarbaccia> and mythgame and mythphone
[06:26] <tseng> thats fine, did you test them?
[06:26] <abarbaccia> both of which i think are pointless....
[06:26] <abarbaccia> yes
[06:26] <abarbaccia> well
[06:26] <slomo> tseng: then let's take a look at it and when we both think it's ok we can upload it...
[06:26] <abarbaccia> i tested mythtv-themes
[06:26] <abarbaccia> that would be great!
[06:26] <tseng> as a rebuild on breezy?
[06:31] <xerxas> I've generated my gpg key
[06:32] <xerxas> what should I do to upload it to ubuntu world ?
[06:32] <bddebian> xerxas: There is a place on Launchpad to put it
[06:33] <slomo> xerxas: and probably upload it to a public keyserver
[06:34] <ivoks> slomo: yep, beagle
[06:34] <ivoks> slomo: beagled and best are taking 22% of my RAM :)
[06:34] <tseng> beagle sucks ram
[06:34] <tseng> news at 11
[06:34] <ivoks> :)
[06:34] <xerxas> slomo: already upload to a public keyserver
[06:34] <xerxas> hi slomo
[06:34] <tseng> ivoks: its pretty well known
[06:35] <bddebian> Heya mbreit
[06:35] <ivoks> tseng: i know
[06:35] <tseng> ivoks: indexing lots of large files is expensive
[06:35] <mbreit> hi everyone, hey bddebian ;)
[06:35] <ivoks> tseng: i was surprised to see swap over 300MB filled :)
[06:36] <markuman> the find and import function on launchpad dont work here: Sorry, a system error occurred
[06:36] <bddebian> markuman: I get the same error when doing text searches :-(
[06:36] <ivoks> it's time to join planet
[06:37] <tseng> im off for lunch
[06:38] <tseng> bye
[06:38] <bddebian> bon apetite
[06:38] <slomo> ivoks: good idea ;) i'll talk to jdub on friday about it
[06:39] <ivoks> i'll do that now :)
[06:39] <slomo> i'm too lazy ;)
[06:53] <arzajac> Anyone here I can discuss flashplayer-nonfree with?
[06:54] <xerxas_> is there anyone who's using gpg on gmail ?
[06:54] <slomo> arzajac: what's the problem with it?
[06:54] <xerxas_> to decode gpg messages I need to access my mail via pop with a gpg enabled clients ?
[06:54] <xerxas_> or I can simply copy the content of the message ?
[06:55] <arzajac> May sites do not have fonts properly set up.  The gsfonts-x11 fixes the problem, but it is only a reccommends.  Any chance of making it a depends?
[06:55] <arzajac> "Many sites' and not May sites....
[06:58] <bddebian> Anyone have a clue on this:
[06:58] <bddebian> /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h:3575: error: syntax error before '_X_SENTINEL'
[06:59] <dholbach> what is before it?
[07:00] <blueyed> Is there a way to debug-enable a build when using debuild to create .debs from "apt-get source"'d source code?
[07:00] <bddebian> Looks like it's pulling bad headers to me
[07:00] <bddebian> blueyed: There should be a nostrip option
[07:01] <dholbach> blueyed: DebuggingProgramCrash on the wiki knows
[07:01] <bddebian> gcc -O3 -g -I/usr/X11R6/include -I../../include   -c -o Cache.o Cache.c
[07:01] <bddebian> In file included from /usr/include/X11/Intrinsic.h:56,
[07:01] <bddebian>                  from /usr/include/X11/IntrinsicP.h:54,
[07:01] <bddebian>                  from Cache.c:28:
[07:01] <dholbach> erm in the code ( /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h) before it
[07:01] <bddebian> Oh, hehe, sorry
[07:01] <d2dchat> who manages the Ruby package?
[07:01] <dholbach> dont worry
[07:02] <xerxas_> woohoo , uploaded my gpg key
[07:02] <xerxas_> need to get it signed
[07:02] <bddebian> xerxas_: Nice
[07:03] <xerxas_> If i get it signed by a someone that made a lot of patch for gnome and have a signed key, is it enough?
[07:03] <xerxas_> this guy is vuntz
[07:03] <xerxas_> he is relatively known
[07:05] <bddebian> dholbach:
[07:05] <bddebian> extern char *XSetOMValues(
[07:05] <bddebian>     XOM                 /* om */,
[07:05] <bddebian>     ...
[07:05] <bddebian> ) _X_SENTINEL(0);
[07:05] <xerxas_> Nafallo: r u here ?
[07:05] <dholbach> bddebian: another missing header? you should search for the values in /usr/include
[07:07] <bddebian> It's defined in XfunProto.h
[07:07] <bddebian> Err Xfuncproto.h
[07:15] <Surak> Hello, I need assistance on making the way to multiverse to my conexant module package.
[07:15] <Surak> I suppose this is the correct place to ask it.
[07:17] <dholbach> bddebian: you might have to include that additionally (since the X stuff split up)
[07:19] <bddebian> WTF is a Makefile.conf?
[07:19] <slomo> bddebian: maybe just a makefile with variables which gets included everywhere
[07:19] <slomo> look at it
[07:27] <Surak> The package is fine, just needs to be reviewed by a MOTU.
[07:27] <dholbach> Surak: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU is what you're looking for
[07:27] <dholbach> Surak: wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU is what you're looking for
[07:27] <bddebian> slomo: It's wrong but when I change it, it has no affect.  Do I have to re-run autmoke or something?
[07:27] <ogra> Surak, has it approval for redistribution from the license holder ?
[07:27] <slomo> bddebian: depends on the package
[07:29] <Surak> ogra: 1.   Permitted use. Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without modification, are permitted under the terms set forth herein.
[07:29] <ogra> what are these terms ?
[07:29] <ogra> can you put up the license anywhere ?
[07:30] <Surak> Sure
[07:30] <ogra> its a requirement for universe that the redistribution through us is allowed
[07:30] <ogra> s/universe/multiverse
[07:30] <Surak> I already did, http://laa2.unifacs.br/preview/conexant/conexant-192/
[07:30] <ogra> elmo will look vers deeply into it..
[07:31] <ogra> *very
[07:31] <Surak> Ops, http://laa2.unifacs.br/preview/conexant/conexant-192/LICENSE
[07:32] <ogra> looks good :) put it on revu ;)
[07:34] <bddebian> WTF is /usr/X11/app-defaults ?
[07:35] <ogra> hmm, shoudlt that be in /etc ?
[07:35] <ogra> *shouldnt
[07:35] <Surak> ogra: dholbach: thanks!
[07:36] <ogra> bddebian, doesnt exist here
[07:36] <dholbach> Surak: for what? :)
[07:36] <Surak> For answering me. I'm asking the same thing here for about a week in different times :-)
[07:37] <dholbach> you should have pinged each and everyone on the channel list :-p
[07:38] <bddebian> ogra: I know, for me either :-)
[07:38] <Surak> One more week and maybe this would be the case!
[07:38] <bddebian> But I have a configure blah --x-defaults=/etc/X11/app-defaults  ??
[07:38] <ogra> bddebian, where did you see it ?
[07:39] <bddebian> ogra: felt   debian/rules on configure
[07:39] <dholbach> Surak: if you have ideas for iumprovement of the MOTU documentation of the wiki, be sure to tell us about it
[07:39] <dholbach> Surak: it's always good to hear from somebody, who doesnt know all the places yet
[07:39] <ogra> bddebian, --x-defaults=/etc/X11/app-defaults sounds ok... the package doesnt rspect this ?
[07:40] <bddebian> I don't know it FTBFSs and I'm just looking for problems :-)
[07:40] <Surak> dholbach: I reached a place completely different than those wiki entries when I was looking for information. Two minutes and I can tell you where
[07:40] <bddebian> ogra: This is the line I'm trying to affect: gcc -O3 -g -I/usr/X11/include -I../../include   -c -o Cache.o Cache.c
[07:41] <bddebian> Ohh, wait, it did fix it
[07:41] <bddebian> Hmm
[07:41] <ogra> :)
[07:41] <bddebian> Same FTBFS though :-(
[07:41] <bddebian> Oh, wrong path again...
[07:43] <Surak> dholbach: hm, the new member appointment.
[07:44] <dholbach> Surak: which page is it?
[07:45] <bddebian> Hmm, still b0rked
[07:50] <dholbach> bddebian: missing build-depends?
[07:50] <bddebian> dholbach: NO, that _X_SENTINEL error
[07:50] <dholbach> yeah
[07:50] <bddebian> Ohh, yeah it could be but I don't know what
[07:50] <dholbach> you include the header file, but it's not in the build-depends?
[07:50] <bddebian> All the headers it fails on are there afaict
[07:51] <dholbach> ok
[07:51] <dholbach> hm
[07:51] <dholbach> what package is it?
[07:51] <bddebian> felt
[07:52] <dholbach> iwll have a look
[07:52] <bddebian> Thx
[07:52] <bddebian> It's probably something stupid that I am just missing
[07:52] <dholbach> mightbe not :-p
[07:52] <Surak> dholbach: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/processes/newmember/
[07:52] <dholbach> Surak: ah ok
[07:53] <dholbach> Surak: yeah, there's a bit of discrepancy, but http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU IS the starting point :)
[07:53] <bddebian> Fsck, I'm getting nothing accomplished today either at work or with MOTU :'-(
[07:53] <dholbach> bddebian: you do, i got some malone mails from you
[07:53] <bddebian> Today?
[07:53] <dholbach> bddebian: and you do a hell lot more than many other motus :)
[07:53] <bddebian> Ohh, yeah
[07:54] <ogra> bddebian, wow
[07:54] <bddebian> Oh and GL/GLU transistions
[07:54] <ogra> you deserve a golden medal if you make that...
[07:55] <bddebian> Well since the number of bugs keeps growing, I think I'm screwed ;-P
[07:57] <ogra> if you make the other two goals i'd vote already for this medal :p
[07:57] <bddebian> Well everything left on UnmetDeps and GL/GLU are FTBFS as far as I know now.. :-(
[08:05] <bddebian> Who is working on/with beagle?
[08:06] <tseng> not me
[08:08] <bddebian> I think bug #1859 is bunk.  I don't see a build-dep for wv anything in beagle ??
[08:24] <bddebian> tseng: Damnit, ogra says its YOU :-)
[08:24] <tseng> haha!
[08:24] <ogra> tseng, who cares for beagle now ? if not you ?
[08:24] <ogra> anyway, libwv2-dev is there
[08:25] <bddebian> Yeah but it's not a build-dep
[08:25] <tseng> beagle can use libwv
[08:25] <tseng> but we dont build with it
[08:25] <bddebian> Ohh
[08:25] <bddebian> Should we?
[08:26] <ogra> hmm, but i thought there was another package responsible for MS docs...
[08:26] <tseng> do I care about searching MS docs on my linux box?
[08:26] <tseng> not really
[08:26] <tseng> if someone wants to build and test it, great
[08:26] <tseng> i dont even have a copy of word
[08:26] <ogra> what was the package schweeb did ?
[08:26] <tseng> gsf-sharp
[08:26] <ogra> wasnt that for MS office stuff ?
[08:26] <tseng> is ppt or something
[08:27] <ogra> i thought it was more general
[08:27] <tseng> libgsf-1 - Structured File Library - runtime version
[08:27] <tseng> whatever that means
[08:27] <ogra> lol
[08:27] <ogra> yay for descriptive descriptions :p
[08:27] <bddebian> heh
[08:28] <tseng> http://directory.fsf.org/iface/GNOME_apps/libgsf.html
[08:28] <tseng> this page says it all
[08:28] <bddebian> rbelem-amd64: Ahh, good can you test Wesnoth for me? ;-)
[08:28] <tseng> 'libgsf' is a simple i/o library that can read and write common file types and handle structured formats that provide file-system-in-a-file semantics.
[08:28] <tseng> right..
[08:28] <tseng> tbh i dont know what it does
[08:28] <rbelem-amd64> bddebian: yes =)
[08:29] <rbelem-amd64> bddebian: i bought this machine yesterday ;-)
[08:30] <bddebian> rbelem-amd64: Nice.  I want to get one :-)
[08:33] <rbelem-amd64> bddebian: i was without machine, one friend give me a amd-k6-ii 500 for some days, then he take it back 2 days ago
[08:33] <bddebian> :-(
[08:33] <rbelem-amd64> bddebian: i was forced to buy this :(
[08:35] <dholbach> bddebian: sorry, no luck
[08:35] <dholbach> bddebian: but the debian maintainer should have a look around if there's a new upstream release
[08:35] <dholbach> the code is VERY broken
[08:35] <bddebian> dholbach: Well that doesn't help me clean up my list :-)
[08:35] <bddebian> dholbach: Thanks for taking the time to look
[08:35] <dholbach> if we could sync it, it would
[08:35] <dholbach> don't worry
[08:37] <rbelem-amd64> bddebian: but now i'm happy, full of debt, but happy :)
[08:37] <bddebian> :-)
[08:38] <rbelem-amd64> bddebian: i'll test Wesnoth now ;-)
[08:39] <bddebian> dholbach: No newer version on sourceforge :-(
[08:41] <dholbach> bddebian: cvs fixes?
[08:42] <bddebian> What do I look like a developer? :-)
[08:44] <bddebian> I don't understand how we can have all this broken code around :-(
[08:45] <\sh> re
[08:45] <dholbach> bddebian: that's a procedure we all have to go through
[08:45] <dholbach> trust me
[08:46] <\sh> now the wlan test
[08:46] <ogra> the wlan test ?
[08:46] <\sh> yes
[08:46] <ogra> \sh, you were at saturn ?
[08:47] <\sh> i'm sorry only with windows first, and after that with a usb dongle under linux
[08:47] <\sh> ogra: yeah..but no linksys anymore in cologne
[08:47] <ogra> heh....
[08:47] <\sh> not at all saturns, no mediamarkts, no karstadt no nothing
[08:47] <ogra> i know the feeling... thats how i ended up with all the wlan crap here
[08:47] <\sh> yep...but this guy at saturn recognized me ;)
[08:48] <\sh> he's using ubuntu :)
[08:48] <\sh> and he promised me to order a linksys wrt54-gs ;)
[08:49] <\sh> wlan works...unsecured
[08:50] <spayne> i have a day off school tomorrow
[08:50] <spayne> so i want to have another bash at packaging
[08:50] <bddebian> spayne: Great
[08:52] <\sh> ok...wpa connect works as well with the to r200
[08:57] <Tonio-> hi everyone
[08:59] <bddebian> Heya Tonio-
[09:03] <bddebian> rbelem: Did Wesnoth kill your machine? ;-P
[09:04] <rbelem> bddebian: yes :(
[09:04] <bddebian> REALLY?
[09:05] <rbelem> bddebian: when the instalation process begin the machine freeze
[09:05] <rbelem> :/
[09:05] <bddebian> Hmm
[09:05] <rbelem> bddebian: i'll try again
[09:20] <bddebian> Sheesh, I swear every line of code with ncbi-tools6 has a warning :-)
[09:20] <dholbach> ouch
[09:21] <bddebian> Yeah, I'm thinking I'm not going to meet my goals :'-(
[09:21] <dholbach> bddebian: shortly before the hoary release i realised that my own code wasnt that bad :)
[09:21] <bddebian> dholbach: ;-)
[09:21] <dholbach> (after having seen millions of bug logs)
[09:25] <bddebian> Heya crimsun
[09:25] <crimsun> heya bddebian
[09:25] <dholbach> hey daniel
[09:25] <crimsun> hey daniel :-)
[09:25] <bddebian> crimsun: Oh, hey, have you ever gotten anywhere with vlc?
[09:26] <bddebian> Doh I scared him away.. :-)
[09:27] <spayne> dholbach: what package is needed to get the debi command>
[09:28] <dholbach> devscripts
[09:28] <spayne> thanks
[09:28] <crimsun> (I hate my connection)
[09:29] <crimsun> bddebian: yes, I have. It builds on i386 and ppc, still working on amd64.
[09:29] <ogra> crimsun, i havent seen elmo today yet...
[09:29] <ogra> but i guess he'll be around for the CC meeting in 30min
[09:30] <crimsun> bddebian: I'm trying to reduce the size of our diff.gz by using the -dev packages from ffmpeg, so we're waiting on libpostproc-dev to be promoted to universe
[09:30] <crimsun> ogra: all right, thanks
[09:31] <crimsun> ogra: it would be nice to ask for a sync of ffmpeg from Sid while we're at it, since the newer vlc b-ds on it
[09:31] <ogra> sure
[09:31] <ogra> but dont we have a ffmpeg from marillat ?
[09:31] <ogra> (which has a epoch afaik)
[09:31] <ogra> that will generate probs i guess
[09:32] <crimsun> oh! so _that_'s why the 3: epoch exists...
[09:32] <ogra> we'll at least need to add the epoch to the debian package
[09:32] <crimsun> ok, then we'll need to merge it in
[09:32] <crimsun> yeah, we can skip asking for a sync then. Thanks. :)
[09:33] <ogra> actually i dont even think the current package is from amrillat, but we once had one from there which brought the epoch in
[09:33] <ogra> (in warty i think)
[09:33] <ogra> epochs are sooo evil !
[09:33] <crimsun> yes they are
[09:34] <cevizoglu> the same elf binary will work on ppc and i386, right?
[09:35] <spayne> brb
[09:36] <bddebian> I was told I couldn't bring in ffmpeg2 ... :-)
[09:36] <crimsun> ffmpeg2? :-)
[09:39] <bddebian> From Marillat
[09:39] <bddebian> Source package
[09:39] <bddebian> builds libavcodec2
[09:39] <crimsun> ah
[09:45] <ivoks> this channel gets bigger every day :)
[09:51] <ogra> thats its intention ;)
[09:51] <markuman> ivoks, when i watched first time here, there were ~120 people i think...
[09:52] <dholbach> markuman: when i was here there was 1 guy, or two maybe :)
[09:52] <ivoks> :)
[09:52] <ivoks> i camed when here was maybe 15 people :)
[09:52] <markuman> :-)
[09:52] <ivoks> :)
[09:52] <dholbach> hehe
[09:52] <markuman> my first packages is upload allready....
[09:53] <zyga> 'here I am with other # friends'
[09:53] <ivoks> look... this is my first q with dholbach :)
[09:53] <markuman> i hope it will be everything right with it
[09:53] <dholbach> your first Q with me?:)
[09:53] <ivoks> query :)
[09:53] <rbelem> bddebian: now it worked well ;-)
[09:53] <dholbach> ah :)
[09:53] <ivoks> dholbach: family photos :)
[09:54] <ivoks> markuman: what package?
[09:54] <markuman> ivoks, xfce4-taskmanager
[09:54] <rbelem> bddebian: nice game :)
[09:54] <ivoks> we didn't have that one before?
[09:55] <markuman> ivoks, no. in debian packages wasnt it too
[09:55] <ivoks> ah, great!
[09:55] <bddebian> rbelem: Uh oh, now I have you. ;-)  Thx for doing that
[09:55] <ivoks> guys
[09:55] <ivoks> we worked hard today
[09:55] <ivoks> it's time to play some network game
[09:55] <markuman> ivoks, but ive build it only for amd64 :-/
[09:56] <zyga> 'our first group-hug'? ;-)
[09:56] <rbelem> bddebian: =)
[10:26] <bddebian> Heading home, later gang
[10:51] <ajmitch> morning
[10:51] <dholbach> hi ajmitch
[10:51] <\sh> evening ajmitch :)
[10:52] <ajmitch> dholbach: sorry, just got to add the Replaces line onto pwlib, will you be around for much longer? :)
[10:52] <ajmitch> hey \sh  :)
[10:53] <dholbach> ajmitch: a bit, yes :)
[10:53] <dholbach> ajmitch: replaces? no conflicts on older version? (not sure)
[10:54] <ajmitch> it was just 1.8.7-1 that had symlinks in the wrong package
[10:54] <ajmitch> I've got the packages here to upgrade from
[10:54] <ajmitch> will test soon :)
[10:54] <ajmitch> bbiab
[11:03] <ivoks> ah, time for bed
[11:03] <ivoks> see you guys...
[11:08] <dholbach> hey zakame !
[11:08] <dholbach> :)
[11:08] <dholbach> welcome
[11:08] <zakame> hello all
[11:08] <dholbach> you're just right here - 2 weeks to fix the universe :)
[11:09] <\sh> hehe
[11:09] <ogra> hi zakame
[11:09] <zakame> I hope I'm not too late
[11:09] <zakame> ogra: hi! =)
[11:09] <dholbach> no, surely not
[11:09] <ogra> its never to late to join MOTU ;)
[11:13] <zakame> :) I'm reading MOTUGettingIntoIt now... so, I gather that I start packaging first then I put these packages for review, like debian-mentors?
[11:15] <dholbach> zakame: wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU is for the review part
[11:16] <zakame> ah
[11:16] <dholbach> zakame: we're currently working on wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo and wiki.ubuntu.com/Transitions
[11:16] <dholbach> the big difference to the debian maintainer world is that we do team maintenance
[11:16] <zakame> dholbach: yes, I am looking at MOTUTodo right now
[11:16] <dholbach> so if you happen to have a fix for a problem, you're welcome to get it in :)
[11:16] <zakame> dholbach: cool!
[11:20] <infinito> \sh: excuse me... the gcfilms problem of this morning on debian seems to be fixed now
[11:21] <infinito> maybe someone can try to sync it now....
[11:21] <\sh> infinito: we have to check it first...do it tomorrow...
[11:21] <\sh> have it on my todo
[11:22] <infinito> \sh: ok, thanks
[11:22] <ajmitch> 'some patch for stupid pbuilders'? heh..
[11:22] <infinito> hehehe
[11:22] <ajmitch> what an attitude :)
[11:22] <infinito> the debian packager told me in his pbuilder there was no problem
[11:23] <infinito> he wrote the changelog... ;)
[11:23] <ajmitch> yet everyone else can reproduce it :P
[11:23] <zakame> stupid pbuilders?!?
[11:24] <infinito> i'm still not sure what was happening... we just disabled the write permissions check
[11:53] <zakame> hello bddebian
[11:53] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[11:54] <dholbach> bddebian: zakame is here to beat you in the upload statistics soon :)
[11:54] <nybble> i salute all of you. brave souls you are :D
[11:55] <dholbach> hey nybble
[11:55] <nybble> hello dholbach
[11:55] <nybble> whats shakin?
[11:55] <dholbach> BUG TRIAGE :)
[11:55] <bddebian> dholbach: Oh yeah?
[11:56] <dholbach> absolutely
[11:56] <bddebian> Hmm, I better get to work then eh? :-)
[11:56] <zakame> hehe
[11:56] <ajmitch> dholbach: schedule more bug days thx ;)
[11:57] <bddebian> Yeah, we want < 500!!
[11:57] <dholbach> ajmitch: everyday's a bug day
[11:57] <ajmitch> dholbach: I know, but some days are extra special
[11:57] <dholbach> yeah, like christmas :)
[11:58] <ajmitch> dholbach: it helps motivate people when you know that others are going to be around to help triage on a particular day
[11:58] <dholbach> absolutely
[11:58] <dholbach> we hope to achieve a bit of it in the desktpTeam
[11:59] <ajmitch> otherwise my karma will slip & I will die :)
[11:59] <bddebian> It does?  Who was there for the last one?
[12:00] <ajmitch> they were all scared off by your smart comments :P
[12:00] <bddebian> :'-(
[12:00] <bddebian> :-)
[12:01] <ajmitch> dholbach: so the desktop team needs some clear direction & leadership if it's going to succeed :)
[12:01] <ajmitch> dholbach: got a list of tasks that people can easily help out with?
[12:01] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam
[12:02] <bddebian> You mean like the clear direction we all get?