[12:04] ogra no probs, I have been really busy I will get it done this week [12:04] well, it costs 250 PER hub [12:04] and for a server, it's over $350 [12:04] so.. i mean LOTS of money for a small network [12:05] Plus reocurring payments [12:07] Hm [12:07] we had the problem that MS dumps stuff [12:07] undercover of being "education priced" [12:08] MS+HP delivered some classroom laptop packages for silly prices last year [12:22] :) === linescanner [n=andy@62.121.26.69] has left #edubuntu ["Konversation] [12:24] What an awfully nice chap :) [12:25] yes, he was my first willing tester :) [12:25] Heh ;) [12:25] Of course ;) [12:25] :) [12:25] There's a shining example right there [12:26] Huge hint hint there [12:26] time for another the 4400 season [12:26] :) [12:26] eww [12:26] 4400 sucks ._. [12:27] you suck [12:27] :) [12:27] -> [12:27] :P [12:27] Not really [12:27] 4400 is awful though [12:27] haha [12:27] you always say "not really" :p [12:27] I love it [12:28] Cause i'm so right :P === ogra doesnt even know what 4400 is... despite a number [12:28] I love how much 4400 sucks :> [12:28] I'm waiting for the next lost episode tho, have to watch something and I'm getting anime out of my ears already [12:29] ogra: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0389564/ [12:30] ah [12:31] ;x [12:31] Rating: 0.0 :O [12:31] :) [12:31] That's generous [12:32] what are you watching then? [12:32] the o.c.? [12:32] :p [12:33] sex and the city? :D [12:33] YES [12:33] Sex and the shitty :/ [12:33] :P [12:33] OC sucks [12:33] :D yeah, of course it does [12:35] OC is basically "I love you, but i'm a prankster, wait i love you, err wait i dont ... ops had sex" [12:35] Wash, rinse, repeat [12:35] just cliche drama [12:36] one thing which is terrible, and a tragedy [12:36] but anyway, I thought you might like it as you don't like the 4400 ;9 [12:36] is Period Drama [12:36] >__> [12:36] Most americana programs aren't any good [12:36] Simpsons is getting stale now [12:36] Futurama was hilarious, but now unfortunately, gone [12:37] I can't take anymore of those [12:37] it was fun for the starters [12:37] Naw, Futurama and Family guy are great [12:37] Simpsons is stale and old [12:38] not enough trippy for me [12:38] All other Fox stuff is stupid [12:38] Eg , King of the Hill is the worst program i've ever seen [12:38] X-Files just went absolutely WAYY off tangent [12:38] I haven't even seen it but I already feel relieved about it [12:38] eg - a Monkey that can see into the future???? [12:39] What kind of monkey wrote it ._. === JessicaX^ climbs off her pink horse [12:39] I loved x-files, oz, twin peaks, outer limits and such when I was younger [12:39] not sure of it anymore as I haven't tried [12:40] X-files was pretty good in the early years [12:40] first season was just awesome [12:40] There are some great programs [12:40] But, not many at all in the last year [12:41] Alias got boring [12:41] Probing every possible storyline [12:41] + spying [12:42] last programs I've been watching(/ watched) are lost, babylon 5, the 4400.. next in the line will be bsg(battlestar galactica) and prison break [12:42] alias was boring to beging with [12:43] :/ [12:43] the main character and storyline just sucks [12:44] I don't like Sci-Fi [12:44] Star trek is justunwatchable [12:44] I didn't like before babylon 5 [12:44] I can't take star trek at all [12:44] not even for a minute [12:45] Ugh [12:45] I know [12:46] I just hate how they use stupid words [12:46] Then say [12:46] "Move to Zalabnical gate" [12:46] and how they look ugh [12:46] or something stupid [12:46] Then they act as if you've said [12:46] "Pass the salt" [12:46] or something so down to earth [12:46] :D right on [12:47] PLUs, the stuff they say makes no scientific sense [12:47] eg [12:47] they sau [12:47] "then we reverse the polarity, then fire it" [12:47] Then you think - But, in reality that would do NOTHING whatsoever [12:47] and even worse are fans of it [12:47] Ugghh [12:47] conventions [12:47] Urrrrgh [12:47] they had on in Singapore [12:48] When i was back home - Lots of klingons etc [12:48] Reeeeeeeealy annoying [12:48] haha [12:48] But, i love futurama [12:48] it's okay [12:48] I met Billy west, and he was speaking in one of the character voices [12:48] and i was just alughing [12:48] XD [12:48] laughing* [12:49] I watched once one short interview about the simpson voice actors [12:49] it was fun as well :) [12:49] Heh, futurama is much better than the simpsons [12:49] yeah, there's no question about it [12:49] And, it's brilliant :P [12:49] at least okay :) [12:50] :P naw [12:50] "I am the man with no name.. Zapp Branigan" [12:50] I'm starting to feel dizzy, these installation-beers are kicking in :) [12:50] ahahahaha XD [12:51] I so loved the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy-books <3 [12:51] should read them again one day [12:52] Hehe :) [12:52] I don't dare to watch the movie tho, I'm mostly sure they ruined it [12:53] Yeah it was bad [12:53] :P [12:53] then I'm glad, in a way [12:53] Giggity, Giggity! [12:54] I haven't watched family guy at all [12:55] Its AWESOME [12:55] XD [12:55] Soooooo funny [12:55] but anyway, time for a next episode of 4400.. have fun meanwhile ;) -> [12:55] On alllll leverls === macgyver2 [n=eric@unaffiliated/macgyver2] has joined #edubuntu [01:37] and it was great [01:39] Okay [01:39] well, going to bed now [01:39] Bon voyage and everything else :) [01:40] have a sweet dreams [01:41] :) *giggle* [01:41] going very soon also [01:41] thankies [01:41] just drinking my apple juice [01:41] :) [01:42] I'm rolling my last cig for today [01:42] :X [01:42] yuck [01:43] I was sure of your reply [01:43] but I don't care :) === hyperactivecrond [n=chris@ppp-69-215-235-154.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:44] a light desktop is needed for edubuntu, yes? [01:44] apt-get install blackbox [01:44] hehe [01:45] :O [01:45] my suggestion is probably xfce or xpde because xpde looks a lot like xp [01:45] a light desktop suggestion [01:45] :/ [01:45] Ratbox [01:45] :P [01:45] Err - Ratpoison [01:46] http://www.xpde.com/shots/startmenu.png [01:46] i don't _like_ xp's ui but we're talking about people who don't know linux/unix at all, so mind as well make it look like xp... [01:47] oh but i think it needs qt === pitux [n=pitux@122-213-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [01:49] Heh [01:49] err kylix [01:49] Well, from experience, most places chose KDE [01:50] I'm not helping another company with their linux in schools , and most whom i spoke to before preferred KDE [01:50] I would choose xfce over KDE in every case.. but not xpde, that's just evil :) [01:50] It can be easily stripped down [01:50] XFCE is quite good [01:51] But hyperactivecrond - you'll have more chance of getting fellation from the pope [01:51] JessicaX^, oh. I didn't know that you guys could use a whole kde stripped down for a 'lite' window manager [01:51] They've settled on GNOME [01:51] even for the light? [01:51] and JessicaX^ that was mean! [01:51] :P [01:51] :P [01:52] Sorry, i was watching Brass eye Yesterday @_@ [01:52] I use gnome mostly, but on slow computers I prefer blackbox === JessicaX^ slaps her wrist [01:52] o.O [01:52] I prefer KDE on slow comps - stripped down [01:52] I just can't stand it looks [01:52] Same with gnome [01:52] :) [01:52] It's so monochrome looking [01:52] :/ [01:53] Makes you wonder about lavatories [01:53] ._. [01:53] monochrome is nice [01:53] Hell no [01:53] what about fvwm95 [01:53] Not for children it's not [01:53] you would love it if it would be pink I quess ;) [01:53] Nope [01:53] I'd love it if it were RIGHT [01:53] :p [01:54] fvwm95 looks like win 9x and is light but a pain to configure i think, but dont quote me [01:54] Hmm [01:54] Still, as a rule [01:54] Freenode users are a WHOLE DIFFERENT UNIVERSE away from schools [01:55] true... [01:55] So, what freenode shell lovers love, school users wont [01:55] yeah [01:55] I can ask 20 freenode users [01:55] http://fvwm95.sourceforge.net/screenshot-full.gif [01:55] And they could masturbate to the shell [01:55] And never EVER use WMs [01:55] Just because they like it, doesnt mean school kids will [01:55] :D shell just rocks [01:55] not for kids. [01:56] In fact, when school kids see monochrome, they think the computer has crashed [01:56] give them a sudo and it's not _that_ hard to do a rm -rf * [01:56] Or, think "WTF" i've seen color all day [01:56] ogra: by the way, maybe x-chat should be configured to hit an #edubuntu-users or something like in xchat by default [01:56] Why would students want to chat here? [01:57] What are they going to chat about? [01:57] #edubuntu-*users* [01:57] about the weather I quess [01:57] So [01:57] Students will be *USERS* [01:57] If thats what's being planned === hyperactivecrond is a hs student [01:57] uhuh? [01:57] and... so? [01:57] Still, tbh [01:57] I think that although the project is nice and all [01:57] It's still a bit [01:57] iono [01:57] fresh. [01:58] no [01:58] but i dual boot linux and windows so you can't really take my opinion [01:58] Ill-conceived on certain areas [01:58] as in the whole thin client thing [01:58] JessicaX^: stop speaking, I cannot go to sleep because I'd miss your next line :D [01:58] :P [01:58] I'd just thought it'd be interesting [01:59] Hmm [01:59] You'll have a place where somewhat savvy people could enter and ask about stuff their admin wouldn't know [01:59] lol [01:59] and, it's a nice way to say hello to edubuntu using students on the other side of the world [01:59] But tbh [01:59] If kids on freenode [01:59] BAAAAAAAAD idea [01:59] eg [01:59] "hi" [01:59] "WTF U SCUK" [01:59] "huh?" [01:59] "U SUCK DIE AND ETC" [01:59] Nice, friendly learning environment [01:59] err.. not really [02:00] That's internet reality for you [02:00] needs to be learned [02:00] have the kiosk browsing extension installed on firefox [02:00] That's really ill conceived then [02:00] the ONLY important thing to protect the kids from isn't porn, bad language or anything [02:00] but KDE [02:00] :) [02:00] b/c you can then not screw with settings [02:00] opera is much better on kiosk-mode [02:00] See [02:00] and I support it now that it's free [02:00] Now, Have you actually ASKED some Schools? [02:00] shaga, opera's free??? [02:01] yeah, went some days ago [02:01] hyperactivecrond: "without adverts" [02:01] could 5 days [02:01] JessicaX^: Yes. [02:01] could be === magnon goes for a smoke [02:01] Did you TELL them [02:01] or did you ASK [02:01] magnon, so there's no ads anymore? [02:01] they removed licensing fee and ads [02:01] www.opera.com/free some info about it [02:02] awesome shaga [02:02] you can still pay for the premium support tho [02:02] (and they've got breezy debs!) [02:02] :) [02:02] JessicaX^: They got the choice with Gnome from us, or KDE with skolelinux or something else. [02:02] I suggested today about adding opera debs to main/universe [02:02] I _cannot_ commercially support something I don't know, and if you can't accept that, welcome to business [02:03] Welcome to singularity [02:03] JessicaX^, please stop the ranting we really have sometimes pupils here and wording like "suck and die" is simply against our code of conduct [02:03] ogra [02:03] People in freenode = Paranoid [02:03] Other people than u = Freenode people [02:03] Hence, reality [02:04] remove xchat on edubuntu [02:04] I'm not really ranting [02:04] I just think really [02:04] You've got a nice idea, but it's facing the wrong way [02:04] JessicaX^, http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct [02:04] I don't mean in regards to KDE/whatever [02:04] I mean in regards to Education [02:05] JessicaX^, i build a distribution like a bunch of british, southameriacan, spanish and k12ltsp people wanted it... thats all [02:05] lol, were these freenode people? [02:05] (forgot southafrican and unesco) [02:05] (ogra :)) [02:06] If so, lordy loo [02:06] JessicaX^, not all but some of them [02:06] lol [02:06] so 9/10 [02:06] :P [02:07] well, anyways, i think you should take some heed of scanner's project [02:07] Very nice thing he's got going [02:07] people like jelkner come here with their pupils during classes [02:07] JessicaX^, are you a student? lol [02:07] The laws on childhood development are your friend [02:07] No, i'm a teacher ;) [02:07] considering you're talking about me getting stimulation from the pope, which i'm rather offended by.... [02:08] JessicaX^, i'm not after doing any commercial stuff or anything, i just build a distro like the target audience requested it [02:08] I'm not really :P [02:08] Why are you offended? [02:08] nothing more, nothing less [02:08] I didnt' really mean getting fellatio from the pope o_O [02:08] please stop it [02:09] I was only jesting [02:09] ... [02:09] Well, i'm sorry if i offended you [02:09] It was just a phrase, is all [02:09] moving on... [02:10] hmm, catholic? [02:10] seems that here's nothing more to see for today(3:09am), good night folks and stay cool [02:10] sleep well [02:10] "more chance of" [02:10] :) [02:10] I love misreading things :/ [02:10] Meansi can argue about things without having all facts in view [02:12] arguing is fine... [02:13] also suggestions for our next release are fine... [02:14] anaconda. [02:14] it's been ported to componentized linux (debian based), and you can do kickstart install [02:14] s [02:14] but coming into the channel and telling me that the distro built like requested is simply wrong etc is just not very constructive [02:15] Take heed [02:15] I also wondered what the "wrong direction" is [02:15] hyperactivecrond, ubuntu has full kickstart support [02:15] well, whatever i say, i know you'll have a counterbalance for it [02:15] ogra: oh. === hyperactivecrond has been shot down [02:15] After all, you wouldn't willingly badmouth yourself :/ [02:15] JessicaX^, its not about balance and counterbalance... [02:16] well, it is really [02:16] the arguments will be heard if they are constructive [02:16] Someone suggests, the other says their suggestions are wrong [02:16] JessicaX^, not in here, no... [02:16] Eg - I suggest a feature [02:16] Either [02:16] a) "We already have it, everything is fine, your suggestion is wrong, we've surpassed your ideas" (Despite the fact it doesnt exist) [02:17] b) are you saying our work is crap? Why, i should ban you! [02:17] JessicaX^, its fine to suggest any feature but just saying all you do is wrong you suck and you won gain any marketshare is plainly nonsense... we build what our users requested... if you want it different feel fe to suggest something... [02:17] s/fe/free [02:18] but note that we release in oct 13th ... there wont be changes to this release [02:18] That's going to be the last i'll say on it - Like isay ; you wouldnt shoot yourself in the foot [02:19] aka - Freenodeitis [02:19] its not about freenode... [02:19] well, i related it to freenode like behaviour [02:20] its about being respectful to each other... [02:20] !code of conduct [02:20] errgh no ubotu here : [02:20] :\ [02:20] nope, luckily not :) [02:20] JessicaX^: Instead of telling us about Freenodeitis, or caring about what you have said earlier being rebutted, please, without concerning that you already mentioned it, give us something about edubuntu that you're unhappy with [02:21] Like i said before [02:22] you said gnome was the wrong choice, the project is going in the wrong direction, what else ? [02:23] No i did not [02:23] I merely said that KDE should be supported [02:23] Not replaced [02:23] it will [02:24] Well, anyways [02:24] You do what you do [02:25] yes, but we will happily listen to suggestions... [02:25] how about we get rid of xchat in edubuntu for these reason [02:25] I can't be bothered [02:26] Deaf ears are all around me, and i have a voice as shrill as the whimper of a dead man [02:26] i asked for it at the summit, which endet up in teachers shouting nooo [02:27] chat and bittorrent were very intensively requested... [02:27] Now, i've lost hope in humanity [02:27] Why do Students need bittorrent [02:27] Give them an inch, and they will get a mile [02:27] JessicaX^, proxy server can filter stuff [02:28] ask the teachers, it was their request and its a fine tool for saving badwith [02:28] From Bittorrent? [02:28] yes jess [02:28] sure [02:28] for backups etc it's easy to apply i guess [02:28] SAVING [02:28] yup [02:28] err.. Upload + Download [02:28] s/backups/update [02:28] o___O [02:29] JessicaX^, people can configure it. [02:29] Wow [02:29] Yes, but if you dont upload, your download will go slower [02:29] And if no one uploads, no one downloads [02:29] obv JessicaX^ [02:29] ;) [02:29]