[12:04] <linescanner> ogra no probs, I have been really busy I will get it done this week
[12:04] <JessicaX^> well, it costs 250 PER hub
[12:04] <JessicaX^> and for a server, it's over $350
[12:04] <JessicaX^> so.. i mean LOTS of money for a small network
[12:05] <JessicaX^> Plus reocurring payments
[12:07] <magnon> Hm
[12:07] <magnon> we had the problem that MS dumps stuff
[12:07] <magnon> undercover of being "education priced"
[12:08] <magnon> MS+HP delivered some classroom laptop packages for silly prices last year
[12:22] <JessicaX^> :)
[12:24] <JessicaX^> What an awfully nice chap :)
[12:25] <ogra> yes, he was my first willing tester :)
[12:25] <JessicaX^> Heh ;)
[12:25] <JessicaX^> Of course ;)
[12:25] <shaga> :)
[12:25] <JessicaX^> There's a shining example right there
[12:26] <JessicaX^> Huge hint hint there
[12:26] <shaga> time for another the 4400 season
[12:26] <JessicaX^> :)
[12:26] <JessicaX^> eww
[12:26] <JessicaX^> 4400 sucks ._.
[12:27] <shaga> you suck
[12:27] <shaga> :)
[12:27] <shaga> ->
[12:27] <JessicaX^> :P
[12:27] <JessicaX^> Not really
[12:27] <JessicaX^> 4400 is awful though
[12:27] <shaga> haha
[12:27] <shaga> you always say "not really" :p
[12:27] <shaga> I love it
[12:28] <JessicaX^> Cause i'm so right :P
[12:28] <JessicaX^> I love how much 4400 sucks :>
[12:28] <shaga> I'm waiting for the next lost episode tho, have to watch something and I'm getting anime out of my ears already
[12:29] <shaga> ogra: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0389564/
[12:30] <ogra> ah
[12:31] <JessicaX^> ;x
[12:31] <JessicaX^> Rating: 0.0 :O
[12:31] <shaga> :)
[12:31] <JessicaX^> That's generous
[12:32] <shaga> what are you watching then?
[12:32] <shaga> the o.c.?
[12:32] <shaga> :p
[12:33] <shaga> sex and the city? :D
[12:33] <JessicaX^> YES
[12:33] <JessicaX^> Sex and the shitty :/
[12:33] <JessicaX^> :P
[12:33] <JessicaX^> OC sucks
[12:33] <shaga> :D yeah, of course it does
[12:35] <JessicaX^> OC is basically "I love you, but i'm a prankster, wait i love you, err wait i dont ... ops had sex"
[12:35] <JessicaX^> Wash, rinse, repeat
[12:35] <shaga> just cliche drama
[12:36] <JessicaX^> one thing which is terrible, and a tragedy
[12:36] <shaga> but anyway, I thought you might like it as you don't like the 4400 ;9
[12:36] <JessicaX^> is Period Drama
[12:36] <JessicaX^> >__>
[12:36] <JessicaX^> Most americana programs aren't any good
[12:36] <JessicaX^> Simpsons is getting stale now
[12:36] <JessicaX^> Futurama was hilarious, but now unfortunately, gone
[12:37] <shaga> I can't take anymore of those
[12:37] <shaga> it was fun for the starters
[12:37] <JessicaX^> Naw, Futurama and Family guy are great
[12:37] <JessicaX^> Simpsons is stale and old
[12:38] <shaga> not enough trippy for me
[12:38] <JessicaX^> All other Fox stuff is stupid
[12:38] <JessicaX^> Eg , King of the Hill is the worst program i've ever seen
[12:38] <JessicaX^> X-Files just went absolutely WAYY off tangent
[12:38] <shaga> I haven't even seen it but I already feel relieved about it
[12:38] <JessicaX^> eg - a Monkey that can see into the future???? 
[12:39] <JessicaX^> What kind of monkey wrote it ._.
[12:39] <shaga> I loved x-files, oz, twin peaks, outer limits and such when I was younger
[12:39] <shaga> not sure of it anymore as I haven't tried
[12:40] <JessicaX^> X-files was pretty good in the early years
[12:40] <shaga> first season was just awesome
[12:40] <JessicaX^> There are some great programs
[12:40] <JessicaX^> But, not many at all in the last year
[12:41] <JessicaX^> Alias got boring
[12:41] <JessicaX^> Probing every possible storyline
[12:41] <JessicaX^> + spying
[12:42] <shaga> last programs I've been watching(/ watched) are lost, babylon 5, the 4400.. next in the line will be bsg(battlestar galactica) and prison break
[12:42] <shaga> alias was boring to beging with
[12:43] <JessicaX^> :/
[12:43] <shaga> the main character and storyline just sucks
[12:44] <JessicaX^> I don't like Sci-Fi
[12:44] <JessicaX^> Star trek is justunwatchable
[12:44] <shaga> I didn't like before babylon 5
[12:44] <shaga> I can't take star trek at all
[12:44] <shaga> not even for a minute
[12:45] <JessicaX^> Ugh
[12:45] <JessicaX^> I know
[12:46] <JessicaX^> I just hate how they use stupid words
[12:46] <JessicaX^> Then say
[12:46] <JessicaX^> "Move to Zalabnical gate"
[12:46] <shaga> and how they look ugh
[12:46] <JessicaX^> or something stupid
[12:46] <JessicaX^> Then they act as if you've said
[12:46] <JessicaX^> "Pass the salt"
[12:46] <JessicaX^> or something so down to earth
[12:46] <shaga> :D right on
[12:47] <JessicaX^> PLUs, the stuff they say makes no scientific sense
[12:47] <JessicaX^> eg
[12:47] <JessicaX^> they sau
[12:47] <JessicaX^> "then we reverse the polarity, then fire it"
[12:47] <JessicaX^> Then you think - But, in reality that would do NOTHING whatsoever
[12:47] <shaga> and even worse are fans of it
[12:47] <JessicaX^> Ugghh
[12:47] <JessicaX^> conventions
[12:47] <JessicaX^> Urrrrgh
[12:47] <JessicaX^> they had on in Singapore
[12:48] <JessicaX^> When i was back home - Lots of klingons etc 
[12:48] <JessicaX^> Reeeeeeeealy annoying
[12:48] <shaga> haha
[12:48] <JessicaX^> But, i love futurama
[12:48] <shaga> it's okay
[12:48] <JessicaX^> I met Billy west, and he was speaking in one of the character voices
[12:48] <JessicaX^> and i was just alughing
[12:48] <JessicaX^> XD
[12:48] <JessicaX^> laughing*
[12:49] <shaga> I watched once one short interview about the simpson voice actors
[12:49] <shaga> it was fun as well :)
[12:49] <JessicaX^> Heh, futurama is much better than the simpsons
[12:49] <shaga> yeah, there's no question about it
[12:49] <JessicaX^> And, it's brilliant :P
[12:49] <shaga> at least okay :)
[12:50] <JessicaX^> :P naw
[12:50] <JessicaX^> "I am the man with no name.. Zapp Branigan"
[12:50] <shaga> I'm starting to feel dizzy, these installation-beers are kicking in :)
[12:50] <JessicaX^> ahahahaha XD
[12:51] <shaga> I so loved the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy-books <3
[12:51] <shaga> should read them again one day
[12:52] <JessicaX^> Hehe :)
[12:52] <shaga> I don't dare to watch the movie tho, I'm mostly sure they ruined it
[12:53] <JessicaX^> Yeah it was bad
[12:53] <JessicaX^> :P
[12:53] <shaga> then I'm glad, in a way
[12:53] <JessicaX^> Giggity, Giggity!
[12:54] <shaga> I haven't watched family guy at all
[12:55] <JessicaX^> Its AWESOME
[12:55] <JessicaX^> XD
[12:55] <JessicaX^> Soooooo funny
[12:55] <shaga> but anyway, time for a next episode of 4400.. have fun meanwhile ;) ->
[12:55] <JessicaX^> On alllll leverls
[01:37] <shaga> and it was great
[01:39] <JessicaX^> Okay
[01:39] <JessicaX^> well, going to bed now
[01:39] <JessicaX^> Bon voyage and everything else :)
[01:40] <shaga> have a sweet dreams
[01:41] <JessicaX^> :) *giggle*
[01:41] <shaga> going very soon also
[01:41] <JessicaX^> thankies
[01:41] <JessicaX^> just drinking my apple juice
[01:41] <JessicaX^> :)
[01:42] <shaga> I'm rolling my last cig for today
[01:42] <JessicaX^> :X
[01:42] <JessicaX^> yuck
[01:43] <shaga> I was sure of your reply
[01:43] <shaga> but I don't care :)
[01:44] <hyperactivecrond> a light desktop is needed for edubuntu, yes?
[01:44] <shaga> apt-get install blackbox
[01:44] <shaga> hehe
[01:45] <JessicaX^> :O
[01:45] <hyperactivecrond> my suggestion is probably xfce or xpde because xpde looks a lot like xp
[01:45] <hyperactivecrond> a light desktop suggestion
[01:45] <JessicaX^> :/
[01:45] <JessicaX^> Ratbox
[01:45] <JessicaX^> :P
[01:45] <JessicaX^> Err - Ratpoison
[01:46] <shaga> http://www.xpde.com/shots/startmenu.png
[01:46] <hyperactivecrond> i don't _like_ xp's ui but we're talking about people who don't know linux/unix at all, so mind as well make it look like xp...
[01:47] <hyperactivecrond> oh but i think it needs qt
[01:49] <JessicaX^> Heh
[01:49] <hyperactivecrond> err kylix
[01:49] <JessicaX^> Well, from experience, most places chose KDE
[01:50] <JessicaX^> I'm not helping another company with their linux in schools , and most whom i spoke to before preferred KDE
[01:50] <shaga> I would choose xfce over KDE in every case.. but not xpde, that's just evil :)
[01:50] <JessicaX^> It can be easily stripped down
[01:50] <JessicaX^> XFCE is quite good
[01:51] <JessicaX^> But hyperactivecrond - you'll have more chance of getting fellation from the pope
[01:51] <hyperactivecrond> JessicaX^, oh. I didn't know that you guys could use a whole kde stripped down for a 'lite' window manager
[01:51] <JessicaX^> They've settled on GNOME
[01:51] <hyperactivecrond> even for the light?
[01:51] <hyperactivecrond> and JessicaX^ that was mean!
[01:51] <hyperactivecrond> :P
[01:51] <JessicaX^> :P
[01:52] <JessicaX^> Sorry, i was watching Brass eye Yesterday @_@
[01:52] <shaga> I use gnome mostly, but on slow computers I prefer blackbox
[01:52] <JessicaX^> o.O
[01:52] <JessicaX^> I prefer KDE on slow comps - stripped down
[01:52] <shaga> I just can't stand it looks
[01:52] <JessicaX^> Same with gnome
[01:52] <shaga> :)
[01:52] <JessicaX^> It's so monochrome looking
[01:52] <JessicaX^> :/
[01:53] <JessicaX^> Makes you wonder about lavatories
[01:53] <JessicaX^> ._.
[01:53] <shaga> monochrome is nice
[01:53] <JessicaX^> Hell no
[01:53] <hyperactivecrond> what about fvwm95
[01:53] <JessicaX^> Not for children it's not
[01:53] <shaga> you would love it if it would be pink I quess ;)
[01:53] <JessicaX^> Nope
[01:53] <JessicaX^> I'd love it if it were RIGHT
[01:53] <shaga> :p
[01:54] <hyperactivecrond> fvwm95 looks like win 9x and is light but a pain to configure i think, but dont quote me
[01:54] <JessicaX^> Hmm
[01:54] <JessicaX^> Still, as a rule
[01:54] <JessicaX^> Freenode users are a WHOLE DIFFERENT UNIVERSE away from schools
[01:55] <hyperactivecrond> true...
[01:55] <JessicaX^> So, what freenode shell lovers love, school users wont
[01:55] <shaga> yeah
[01:55] <JessicaX^> I can ask 20 freenode users
[01:55] <hyperactivecrond> http://fvwm95.sourceforge.net/screenshot-full.gif
[01:55] <JessicaX^> And they could masturbate to the shell
[01:55] <JessicaX^> And never EVER use WMs
[01:55] <JessicaX^> Just because they like it, doesnt mean school kids will
[01:55] <shaga> :D shell just rocks
[01:55] <hyperactivecrond> not for kids.
[01:56] <JessicaX^> In fact, when school kids see monochrome, they think the computer has crashed
[01:56] <hyperactivecrond> give them a sudo and it's not _that_ hard to do a rm -rf *
[01:56] <JessicaX^> Or, think "WTF" i've seen color all day
[01:56] <magnon> ogra: by the way, maybe x-chat should be configured to hit an #edubuntu-users or something like in xchat by default
[01:56] <JessicaX^> Why would students want to chat here?
[01:57] <JessicaX^> What are they going to chat about?
[01:57] <magnon> #edubuntu-*users*
[01:57] <shaga> about the weather I quess
[01:57] <JessicaX^> So
[01:57] <JessicaX^> Students will be *USERS*
[01:57] <JessicaX^> If thats what's being planned 
[01:57] <magnon> uhuh?
[01:57] <magnon> and... so?
[01:57] <JessicaX^> Still, tbh
[01:57] <JessicaX^> I think that although the project is nice and all
[01:57] <JessicaX^> It's still a bit
[01:57] <JessicaX^> iono
[01:57] <magnon> fresh.
[01:58] <JessicaX^> no
[01:58] <hyperactivecrond> but i dual boot linux and windows so you can't really take my opinion
[01:58] <JessicaX^> Ill-conceived on certain areas
[01:58] <hyperactivecrond> as in the whole thin client thing
[01:58] <shaga> JessicaX^: stop speaking, I cannot go to sleep because I'd miss your next line :D
[01:58] <JessicaX^> :P
[01:58] <magnon> I'd just thought it'd be interesting
[01:59] <JessicaX^> Hmm
[01:59] <magnon> You'll have a place where somewhat savvy people could enter and ask about stuff their admin wouldn't know
[01:59] <JessicaX^> lol
[01:59] <magnon> and, it's a nice way to say hello to edubuntu using students on the other side of the world
[01:59] <JessicaX^> But tbh
[01:59] <JessicaX^> If kids on freenode
[01:59] <JessicaX^> BAAAAAAAAD idea
[01:59] <JessicaX^> eg
[01:59] <JessicaX^> "hi"
[01:59] <JessicaX^> "WTF U SCUK"
[01:59] <JessicaX^> "huh?"
[01:59] <JessicaX^> "U SUCK DIE AND ETC"
[01:59] <JessicaX^> Nice, friendly learning environment
[01:59] <JessicaX^> err.. not really
[02:00] <magnon> That's internet reality for you
[02:00] <magnon> needs to be learned
[02:00] <hyperactivecrond> have the kiosk browsing extension installed on firefox
[02:00] <JessicaX^> That's really ill conceived then
[02:00] <magnon> the ONLY important thing to protect the kids from isn't porn, bad language or anything
[02:00] <magnon> but KDE
[02:00] <magnon> :)
[02:00] <hyperactivecrond> b/c you can then not screw with settings
[02:00] <shaga> opera is much better on kiosk-mode
[02:00] <JessicaX^> See
[02:00] <shaga> and I support it now that it's free
[02:00] <JessicaX^> Now, Have you actually ASKED some Schools?
[02:00] <hyperactivecrond> shaga, opera's free???
[02:01] <shaga> yeah, went some days ago
[02:01] <magnon> hyperactivecrond: "without adverts"
[02:01] <shaga> could 5 days
[02:01] <magnon> JessicaX^: Yes.
[02:01] <shaga> could be
[02:01] <JessicaX^> Did you TELL them
[02:01] <JessicaX^> or did you ASK
[02:01] <hyperactivecrond> magnon, so there's no ads anymore?
[02:01] <shaga> they removed licensing fee and ads
[02:01] <shaga> www.opera.com/free some info about it
[02:02] <hyperactivecrond> awesome shaga 
[02:02] <shaga> you can still pay for the premium support tho
[02:02] <hyperactivecrond> (and they've got breezy debs!)
[02:02] <shaga> :)
[02:02] <magnon> JessicaX^: They got the choice with Gnome from us, or KDE with skolelinux or something else.
[02:02] <shaga> I suggested today about adding opera debs to main/universe
[02:02] <magnon> I _cannot_ commercially support something I don't know, and if you can't accept that, welcome to business
[02:03] <JessicaX^> Welcome to singularity
[02:03] <ogra> JessicaX^, please stop the ranting we really have sometimes pupils here and wording like "suck and die" is simply against our code of conduct
[02:03] <JessicaX^> ogra
[02:03] <JessicaX^> People in freenode = Paranoid
[02:03] <JessicaX^> Other people than u = Freenode people
[02:03] <JessicaX^> Hence, reality
[02:04] <hyperactivecrond> remove xchat on edubuntu
[02:04] <JessicaX^> I'm not really ranting
[02:04] <JessicaX^> I just think really
[02:04] <JessicaX^> You've got a nice idea, but it's facing the wrong way
[02:04] <ogra> JessicaX^, http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
[02:04] <JessicaX^> I don't mean in regards to KDE/whatever
[02:04] <JessicaX^> I mean in regards to Education
[02:05] <ogra> JessicaX^, i build a distribution like a bunch of british, southameriacan, spanish and k12ltsp people wanted it... thats all
[02:05] <JessicaX^> lol, were these freenode people?
[02:05] <ogra> (forgot southafrican and unesco)
[02:05] <shaga> (ogra :))
[02:06] <JessicaX^> If so, lordy loo
[02:06] <ogra> JessicaX^, not all but some of them
[02:06] <JessicaX^> lol
[02:06] <JessicaX^> so 9/10
[02:06] <JessicaX^> :P
[02:07] <JessicaX^> well, anyways, i think you should take some heed of scanner's project
[02:07] <JessicaX^> Very nice thing he's got going
[02:07] <ogra> people like jelkner come here with their pupils during classes 
[02:07] <hyperactivecrond> JessicaX^, are you a student? lol
[02:07] <JessicaX^> The laws on childhood development are your friend
[02:07] <JessicaX^> No, i'm a teacher ;)
[02:07] <hyperactivecrond> considering you're talking about me getting stimulation from the pope, which i'm rather offended by....
[02:08] <ogra> JessicaX^, i'm not after doing any commercial stuff or anything, i just build a distro like the target audience requested it
[02:08] <JessicaX^> I'm not really :P
[02:08] <JessicaX^> Why are you offended?
[02:08] <ogra> nothing more, nothing less
[02:08] <JessicaX^> I didnt' really mean getting fellatio from the pope o_O
[02:08] <ogra> please stop it
[02:09] <JessicaX^> I was only jesting
[02:09] <hyperactivecrond> ...
[02:09] <JessicaX^> Well, i'm sorry if i offended you
[02:09] <JessicaX^> It was just a phrase, is all
[02:09] <hyperactivecrond> moving on...
[02:10] <JessicaX^> hmm, catholic? 
[02:10] <shaga> seems that here's nothing more to see for today(3:09am), good night folks and stay cool
[02:10] <magnon> sleep well
[02:10] <JessicaX^> "more chance of"
[02:10] <JessicaX^> :)
[02:10] <JessicaX^> I love misreading things :/
[02:10] <JessicaX^> Meansi can argue about things without having all facts in view
[02:12] <ogra> arguing is fine... 
[02:13] <ogra> also suggestions for our next release are fine...
[02:14] <hyperactivecrond> anaconda.
[02:14] <hyperactivecrond> it's been ported to componentized linux (debian based), and you can do kickstart install
[02:14] <hyperactivecrond> s
[02:14] <ogra> but coming into the channel and telling me that the distro built like requested is simply wrong etc is just not very constructive
[02:15] <JessicaX^> Take heed
[02:15] <magnon> I also wondered what the "wrong direction" is
[02:15] <ogra> hyperactivecrond, ubuntu has full kickstart support
[02:15] <JessicaX^> well, whatever i say, i know you'll have a counterbalance for it
[02:15] <hyperactivecrond> ogra: oh.
[02:15] <JessicaX^> After all, you wouldn't willingly badmouth yourself :/
[02:15] <ogra> JessicaX^, its not about balance and counterbalance...
[02:16] <JessicaX^> well, it is really
[02:16] <magnon> the arguments will be heard if they are constructive
[02:16] <JessicaX^> Someone suggests, the other says their suggestions are wrong
[02:16] <ogra> JessicaX^, not in here, no... 
[02:16] <JessicaX^> Eg - I suggest a feature
[02:16] <JessicaX^> Either
[02:16] <JessicaX^> a) "We already have it, everything is fine, your suggestion is wrong, we've surpassed your ideas" (Despite the fact it doesnt exist)
[02:17] <JessicaX^> b) are you saying our work is crap? Why, i should ban you!
[02:17] <ogra> JessicaX^, its fine to suggest any feature but just saying all you do is wrong you suck and you won gain any marketshare is plainly nonsense... we build what our users requested... if you want it different feel fe to suggest something...
[02:17] <ogra> s/fe/free
[02:18] <ogra> but note that we release in oct 13th ... there wont be changes to this release
[02:18] <JessicaX^> That's going to be the last i'll say on it - Like isay ; you wouldnt shoot yourself in the foot
[02:19] <JessicaX^> aka - Freenodeitis
[02:19] <ogra> its not about freenode... 
[02:19] <JessicaX^> well, i related it to freenode like behaviour
[02:20] <ogra> its about being respectful to each other...
[02:20] <hyperactivecrond> !code of conduct
[02:20] <hyperactivecrond> errgh no ubotu here :
[02:20] <hyperactivecrond> :\
[02:20] <ogra> nope, luckily not :)
[02:20] <magnon> JessicaX^: Instead of telling us about Freenodeitis, or caring about what you have said earlier being rebutted, please, without concerning that you already mentioned it, give us something about edubuntu that you're unhappy with
[02:21] <JessicaX^> Like i said before
[02:22] <ogra> you said gnome was the wrong choice, the project is going in the wrong direction, what else ? 
[02:23] <JessicaX^> No i did not
[02:23] <JessicaX^> I merely said that KDE should be supported
[02:23] <JessicaX^> Not replaced
[02:23] <ogra> it will
[02:24] <JessicaX^> Well, anyways
[02:24] <JessicaX^> You do what you do
[02:25] <ogra> yes, but we will happily listen to suggestions... 
[02:25] <hyperactivecrond> how about we get rid of xchat in edubuntu for these reason
[02:25] <JessicaX^> I can't be bothered
[02:26] <JessicaX^> Deaf ears are all around me, and i have a voice as shrill as the whimper of a dead man
[02:26] <ogra> i asked for it at the summit, which endet up in teachers shouting nooo
[02:27] <ogra> chat and bittorrent were very intensively requested...
[02:27] <JessicaX^> Now, i've lost hope in humanity
[02:27] <JessicaX^> Why do Students need bittorrent
[02:27] <JessicaX^> Give them an inch, and they will get a mile
[02:27] <hyperactivecrond> JessicaX^, proxy server can filter stuff
[02:28] <ogra> ask the teachers, it was their request and its a fine tool for saving badwith
[02:28] <JessicaX^> From Bittorrent?
[02:28] <hyperactivecrond> yes jess
[02:28] <ogra> sure
[02:28] <hyperactivecrond> for backups etc it's easy to apply i guess
[02:28] <JessicaX^> SAVING
[02:28] <ogra> yup
[02:28] <JessicaX^> err.. Upload + Download
[02:28] <hyperactivecrond> s/backups/update
[02:28] <JessicaX^> o___O
[02:29] <hyperactivecrond> JessicaX^, people can configure it.
[02:29] <JessicaX^> Wow
[02:29] <JessicaX^> Yes, but if you dont upload, your download will go slower
[02:29] <JessicaX^> And if no one uploads, no one downloads
[02:29] <hyperactivecrond> obv JessicaX^ 
[02:29] <JessicaX^> ;)
[02:29] <ogra> its about *using* the media... and learning to use it...
[02:30] <ogra> but anyway...
[02:30] <JessicaX^> The media DOES NOt use bittorrent
[02:30] <JessicaX^> In fact, it sort of curls up an vomits at the notion of it
[02:30] <ogra> media == internet
[02:30] <JessicaX^> incorrect
[02:30] <hyperactivecrond> activities that teens use internet for: myspace,xanga,music,AIM...
[02:30] <JessicaX^> The internet is a FORM of media
[02:30] <hyperactivecrond> JessicaX^, technicality
[02:30] <JessicaX^> Not really
[02:30] <JessicaX^> If the internet was media, what would TV be
[02:31] <hyperactivecrond> TV
[02:31] <JessicaX^> No
[02:31] <JessicaX^> Media
[02:31] <ogra> anyway, most of the schools that will use this release wont even be able to afford a internet connection, let alone new computers
[02:31] <JessicaX^> Just as Radio is aural media
[02:31] <JessicaX^> TV is Visual Media
[02:31] <JessicaX^> And Internet is a mish mash of them both
[02:31] <magnon> ogra: hey!
[02:31] <magnon> not true :)
[02:31] <hyperactivecrond> true ogra very true
[02:31] <magnon> okay, maybe most ;)
[02:31] <JessicaX^> And - For the record less than 10% of the world uses the internet :P
[02:32] <JessicaX^> Oh, well, i heard it was around 14% last check
[02:32] <JessicaX^> the most far reaching being radio :)
[02:33] <ogra> exactly ... but the teachers that use it wanted to have the tools to teacht the right usage of the internet (i dont say media this time even if i think its the better term to avoid another rant)
[02:33] <JessicaX^> Heh, i probably sound like i'm ranting
[02:33] <ogra> yup ;)
[02:33] <JessicaX^> So, i'll just leave you to your own devices
[02:33] <hyperactivecrond> JessicaX^, they need input
[02:33] <JessicaX^> What you do, is of course, ultimately correcty
[02:33] <JessicaX^> So, someone else can give it
[02:33] <ogra> thats not what i say
[02:34] <JessicaX^> Who cares
[02:34] <ogra> i said we asked the people who want to use it what they want ...
[02:34] <ogra> and built what they wanted...
[02:34] <hyperactivecrond> JessicaX^, she's in charge pretty much so lay off
[02:34] <JessicaX^> Meh, ban me or something
[02:35] <ogra> why shoudl i
[02:35] <JessicaX^> I'm just going to idle or say nothing
[02:35] <JessicaX^> You = Correct
[02:35] <ogra> nope, i didnt say that
[02:35] <JessicaX^> Me = Mute
[02:35] <hyperactivecrond> must you?
[02:35] <JessicaX^> Just shut up, and accept victory
[02:35] <magnon> Wow
[02:35] <magnon> I've been a little hostile, and could accept some backfire, but I haven't seen a bad word from Oliver
[02:37] <hyperactivecrond> sorry for the colors guys
[02:37] <hyperactivecrond> :)
[02:38] <hyperactivecrond> vnc's installed i assume?
[02:38] <hyperactivecrond> by default8
[02:38] <hyperactivecrond> s/8/*
[02:38] <ogra> vino and tsclient
[02:38] <hyperactivecrond> cool
[02:40] <ogra> in fact you have all tools a normal ubuntu desktop has too... plus the edu apps, ltsp and some server apps
[02:40] <hyperactivecrond> koool
[02:40] <hyperactivecrond> what about a logging program that can be started & viewed from admin computer?
[02:41] <magnon> those kinds of things are planne
[02:41] <magnon> d
[02:41] <hyperactivecrond> cool
[02:41] <ogra> thats on the plan for next release
[02:41] <magnon> as in, "admin computer" style
[02:41] <JessicaX^> Bye
[02:41] <hyperactivecrond> yes she's gone
[02:41] <ogra> http://edubuntu.org/TeachersPet
[02:42] <ogra> she'll come back ;) 
[02:42] <hyperactivecrond> no she wont she's pissed
[02:42] <ogra> she was here in the beginning of the release cycle and said merely the same things
[02:42] <hyperactivecrond> we pmed
[02:42] <ogra> thats ok with me...
[02:42] <hyperactivecrond> she thinks all of you are bullheaded
[02:43] <hyperactivecrond> and don't take requests/input
[02:43] <ogra> she had nothing constructive to share 
[02:43] <magnon> apologies for a little hostility though :P
[02:43] <hyperactivecrond> she did kind of but mostly knocking the project, saying it's going the wrong way
[02:43] <hyperactivecrond> np magnon 
[02:44] <ogra> what shall i do with someone enetering the channel and sying that what we do is bad, wrong direction and wont get any userbase because we took the wrong decisions in her first 5 sentences ? 
[02:44] <ogra> and repeating herself all the time...
[02:45] <hyperactivecrond>  /mode +b JessicaX^
[02:45] <hyperactivecrond> lol
[02:45] <ogra> nh
[02:45] <ogra> nah
[02:45] <magnon> no ops :p
[02:45] <ogra> no ops :)
[02:45] <hyperactivecrond> true
[02:45] <hyperactivecrond> plus the whole fellatio from the pope thing for me really offeded me...
[02:45] <ogra> me too...
[02:45] <hyperactivecrond> i dont care if it's sarcasm
[02:46] <ogra> CoC applies here as well as in every other ubuntu channel
[02:46] <hyperactivecrond> props ogra for not going bezerk because you're probably stressed over this whole thing
[02:46] <hyperactivecrond> stressed like hell
[02:46] <ogra> its about 3am here, i work since 6am yesterday... i couldnt do that if such things offended me ;)
[02:46] <hyperactivecrond> nice
[02:47] <ogra> i have a release to build :)
[02:47] <hyperactivecrond> any1 have the irc log saved?
[02:47] <ogra> yes, the logbot
[02:47] <hyperactivecrond> worth keeping that one for future reference 
[02:47] <hyperactivecrond> hi ubuntulog lol i didnt see it
[02:48] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[02:48] <ogra> if you want to read it
[02:48] <hyperactivecrond> k thx ogra 
[02:48] <ogra> :)
[02:50] <hyperactivecrond> need people to write docs?
[02:50] <ogra> i would have said something earlier... but i was in a meeting until 1h ago...
[02:50] <hyperactivecrond> i can help if you need me
[02:50] <ogra> hyperactivecrond, yes, we need any help... jsgotangco is our doc guy... ask him where he needs help if he's around
[02:50] <hyperactivecrond> ok ogra
[02:51] <ogra> great :)
[02:51] <hyperactivecrond> ogra: how often does ubuntulog update?
[02:51] <magnon> half hour or so, it seems
[02:51] <ogra> i think its about 20min behind...
[02:51] <hyperactivecrond> yes
[02:54] <hyperactivecrond> omfg i'm so sorry ogra thought u were female and I called you male i'm so sorry
[02:55] <magnon> why be sorry when it's entirely correct? :)
[02:56] <hyperactivecrond> 02:01	ogra	dont laugh.... its 20km to the next baker... and my GF is gone for 2 weeks 
[02:56] <hyperactivecrond> from the archives
[02:57] <ogra> heh
[02:57] <ogra> dont worry :)
[02:57] <magnon> you're saying you thought ogra was your girlfriend now?
[02:57] <ogra> lol
[02:57] <magnon> well
[02:57] <magnon> my long hair gives me a lot of stupid questions
[02:58] <hyperactivecrond> :)
[02:58] <hyperactivecrond> no magnon :-P
[02:58] <magnon> like, me and a friend was going home from town, and some, uhm, tough guys had to ask "are you two guys or girls?"
[02:58] <hyperactivecrond> nice
[02:59] <magnon> I mean, I dunno, we both have beards, talk fairly deep and have no extending chest parts
[02:59] <ogra> but long hair... and from behind you could be a skinny girl ;)
[03:00] <magnon> I'm still 192cm
[03:01] <ogra> a tall skinny girl *g*
[03:01] <magnon> and this was after talking to us, so I don't think they meant anything else than being somewhat "rude" :P
[03:01] <hyperactivecrond> that doesn't use metric
[03:01] <hyperactivecrond> awkward silence :\
[03:02] <ogra> hmm
[03:02] <ogra> US ?
[03:02] <ogra> ;)
[03:02] <hyperactivecrond> no! godswanatajikistan
[03:02] <hyperactivecrond> lol yes
[03:03] <ogra> germany here
[03:03] <ogra> magnon, it once was....
[03:03] <hyperactivecrond> magnon: i don't mind criticizm at all because I hate dubya
[03:03] <ogra> as germany
[03:04] <hyperactivecrond> moving on from politics
[03:04] <ogra> heh, yes... too frustrating
[03:04] <magnon> noo
[03:04] <magnon> I <3 politics
[03:04] <magnon> :P
[03:05] <ogra> at least you guys have a government
[03:05] <magnon> haha
[03:05] <ogra> may it be odd or not...
[03:05] <magnon> a red one :(
[03:05] <magnon> but they just got gay rights through for both marriage and adoption \o/
[03:05] <ogra> i fear what might come here...
[03:06] <hyperactivecrond> magnon: redNECK
[03:06] <hyperactivecrond> gvt
[03:06] <hyperactivecrond> leader
[03:06] <hyperactivecrond> seems that ubuntu has more european users than us users
[03:06] <hyperactivecrond> imho
[03:07] <ogra> yup
[03:07] <ogra> but there is big interest from k12ltsp going on for edubuntu, so that might change... :)
[03:08] <ogra> and we got dallas, detroit and los angeles LoCo teams already
[03:08] <hyperactivecrond> maybe this belongs in #ubuntu-desktop but I think that the new synaptic interface by default is too easy.  The advanced is easier to find stuff in
[03:08] <hyperactivecrond> col.
[03:08] <hyperactivecrond> what detroit but no cleveland????????
[03:08] <hyperactivecrond> lol
[03:08] <hyperactivecrond> was there a meeting 2day?
[03:08] <ogra> you mean the new app install tool ?
[03:08] <ogra> yup
[03:09] <hyperactivecrond> ogra: synaptic
[03:09] <ogra> every second tuesday is CC meeting
[03:09] <hyperactivecrond> mkay
[03:09] <ogra> every other the technical board meets
[03:09] <hyperactivecrond> ah.
[03:10] <hyperactivecrond> damn aim is effing annoying 2day
[03:10] <hyperactivecrond> it disconnected me than won't let me reconnect
[03:11] <hyperactivecrond> it'd be nice if something like at ease was available for edubuntu - the server
[03:11] <hyperactivecrond> - = minus
[03:12] <ogra> you mean a workstation version ? 
[03:12] <hyperactivecrond> yes
[03:12] <ogra> its there ;)
[03:12] <hyperactivecrond> teachertool i don't think cuts it here with admin logins at the individual terminals
[03:12] <ogra> either use a normal breezy install and install edubuntu-desktop on top.... or
[03:13] <hyperactivecrond> correct me if i'm wrong
[03:13] <ogra> use the edubuntu CD and type "workstation" at the bootprompt
[03:14] <hyperactivecrond> i don't mean the whole shell thing like in http://toastytech.com/guis/atease4panelswfilemnu.png
[03:14] <hyperactivecrond> but the different levels of access
[03:14] <ogra> currently we focus totally on one classroom with ltsp, so teachertool is designed for that...
[03:14] <hyperactivecrond> ah.
[03:14] <hyperactivecrond> *googles lstp to figure out what ltsp is*
[03:14] <ogra> we'll have more tools for dapper
[03:14] <hyperactivecrond> got it
[03:15] <ogra> since we target one school in our second release
[03:15] <hyperactivecrond> so i can do an apt-get install edubuntu-desktop now and not break my breezy?
[03:15] <magnon> hyperactivecrond: oh my, what the heck is that screenshot ;)
[03:15] <hyperactivecrond> pr0n
[03:15] <hyperactivecrond> oops
[03:15] <hyperactivecrond> lol
[03:15] <ogra> heh
[03:15] <hyperactivecrond> no it'snot
[03:15] <hyperactivecrond> (as the server dies do to mass clickage)
[03:15] <ogra> hyperactivecrond, exactly
[03:16] <hyperactivecrond> so i can do an apt-get install edubuntu-desktop now and not break my breezy?
[03:16] <ogra> f you uninstall edubuntu-desktop with aptitude, all edubuntu stuff gets removed clanly again
[03:16] <hyperactivecrond> just making double-sure
[03:16] <hyperactivecrond> ok kool
[03:16] <hyperactivecrond> i'll do it just for the experience...
[03:17] <ogra> but use aptitude for removal, eall other tools only remove the meta package and leave the apps there
[03:17] <hyperactivecrond> an.
[03:17] <hyperactivecrond> ah.
[03:17] <hyperactivecrond> so basically all that I get is the gnome looks and educational soft?
[03:18] <hyperactivecrond> and libs
[03:18] <hyperactivecrond> sweet soon i'll have ubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop and edubuntu-desktop (a threesome)
[03:20] <ogra> but edubuntu changes the loo and feel of ubuntu-desktop... 
[03:20] <ogra> heh...
[03:20] <ogra> the look too
[03:20] <magnon> if ubuntu is to give students freedom of the Internet, we should include an appropriate glossary
[03:21] <magnon> explaining "teh", "-x0r" endings, leetspeak, how to understand it and why to avoid it
[03:21] <magnon> then point to bash.org
[03:22] <hyperactivecrond> ogra: so i'll have to logout and in to see effects>
[03:22] <ogra> yup
[03:22] <hyperactivecrond> will there be another item in gdm>
[03:23] <ogra> and it only changes the defaults... if you made user changes already they will be respected
[03:23] <hyperactivecrond> ah.
[03:23] <hyperactivecrond> koool.
[03:23] <ogra> gdm will have a edubuntu logo instead of the ubuntu one
[03:23] <hyperactivecrond> ah.
[03:24] <magnon> ogra: go sleep ;)
[03:24] <ogra> magnon, if i finished my "good night beer" :)
[03:24] <magnon> aha
[03:25] <hyperactivecrond> gawd working prac 21 hours straight kills i assum
[03:25] <hyperactivecrond> e
[03:26] <ogra> i can sleep after release :)
[03:26] <hyperactivecrond> ok logging out and back in 
[03:27] <magnon> sigh... have to get up in a few hours to drive my mom to the hospital
[03:27] <magnon> nothing awfully serious, so I can rightfully complain :P
[03:27] <ogra> heh
[03:28] <hyperactivecrond> too ute
[03:28] <hyperactivecrond> too cute~ for school i think
[03:28] <ogra> :)
[03:28] <hyperactivecrond> but that's my ho
[03:28] <hyperactivecrond> humble opinion pervs ;)
[03:30] <hyperactivecrond> maybe we should get rid of system --> administration for the user desktop
[03:30] <ogra> it targets 6-16 year olds ...
[03:30] <hyperactivecrond> a 14 or 13 year old prob would find it kinda annoying IMHO
[03:30] <ogra> there was a patch that should hide all sudo apps on non sudo user desktops
[03:30] <ogra> yes, it would need mangas...
[03:31] <hyperactivecrond> mangas?
[03:32] <ogra> dthe kids in the US dont go mad about mangas ...?
[03:32] <hyperactivecrond> some ogra, some
[03:32] <magnon> japanese cartoons?
[03:32] <ogra> yup
[03:32] <magnon> what a way to kill class productivity ;)
[03:32] <ogra> its exactly what 13-14 year olds on germany like currently...
[03:32] <hyperactivecrond> in the US kids aren't too dad about using winbloze or even (shudders at unusablilty) os 9
[03:33] <hyperactivecrond> s/dad/mad
[03:33] <hyperactivecrond> change the font on desktop possibly
[03:34] <ogra> dont you like the comic style ?
[03:34] <hyperactivecrond> no.
[03:35] <hyperactivecrond> a 5 year old might but i' dont and i'm <2 random unicode characters> years old
[03:35] <ogra> i must admit its not really usabilty compliant...
[03:36] <hyperactivecrond> ok sry i'm off topic
[03:36] <ogra> what would you take ? 
[03:36] <ogra> no, not at all... we talk about edubuntu ... thats on topic ;)
[03:37] <hyperactivecrond> what do you mean what would you take?
[03:37] <ogra> as desktop font 
[03:37] <hyperactivecrond> hmm...
[03:38] <hyperactivecrond> pothana2000 isn't too professional but not as kooky as the one that comes by deafault imho
[03:38] <magnon> you could always separate age classes
[03:38] <hyperactivecrond> true.
[03:38] <magnon> that should probably be done at a point anyway, or after "maturity"
[03:38] <hyperactivecrond> ani looks cool but kookey
[03:39] <hyperactivecrond> nice including blender as part of metapackage, but add scribus
[03:39] <hyperactivecrond> hold up
[03:39] <hyperactivecrond> d'oh it's in the metapackage
[03:39] <ogra> yup
[03:39] <magnon> the scribus version in breezy is the suck :(
[03:39] <ogra> both are
[03:39] <ogra> if i find some time before release i'll fix it...
[03:40] <ogra> the fonts are odd..
[03:40] <hyperactivecrond> yes
[03:40] <ogra> (in scribus)
[03:40] <hyperactivecrond> i know
[03:40] <magnon> naw, the functionality in scribus 1.2 are completely lacking compared to 1.3
[03:40] <ogra> ani is hard to read
[03:40] <magnon> it doesn't even have undo
[03:40] <ogra> sadly its in main... i cant do updaes to main apps
[03:41] <ogra> (to late in the release cycle)
[03:41] <magnon> hmm... they can coexist though
[03:41] <hyperactivecrond> aargh how do you get rid of edubuntu-desktop again? i tried aptitude remove edubuntu-desktop and it only removed edubuntu-desktop
[03:41] <ogra> not in the archive :/
[03:41] <magnon> maybe a scribus-ng or scribus-cvs in universe would be appropriate
[03:42] <ogra> hyperactivecrond, hmm, thats odd... it should have dropped the dependencys too
[03:42] <hyperactivecrond> it's like IE on windows, it won't uninstalll! lol i know i'm prob doing it wrong
[03:45] <hyperactivecrond> it won't die!
[03:46] <hyperactivecrond> ogra: is ^^ the doc man?
[03:47] <ogra> apt-get remove khelpcenter gcompris gcompris-sound-en ktuberling tuxtype tuxmath kmessedwords khangman ktouch kstars kalzium kvoctrain kturtle kpercentage kmplot kbruch keduca atomix kverbos glife kig gpaint denemo xaos blender kino kwordquiz scribus dia-gnome gnome-icon-theme-gartoon edubuntu-artwork
[03:47] <jsgotangco> hello all
[03:47] <ogra> try that ^^^
[03:47] <hyperactivecrond> thx ogra
[03:47] <ogra> hyperactivecrond, yes
[03:47] <ogra> jsgotangco, you got a helper :)
[03:47] <jsgotangco> hey ogra working hard eh?
[03:47] <jsgotangco> nice
[03:47] <ogra> no, going to sleep soon
[03:47] <jsgotangco> im going to upload my final docs today
[03:47] <hyperactivecrond> where do u need testing jsgotangco 
[03:47] <ogra> oh
[03:47] <hyperactivecrond> s/testing/help in docs
[03:48] <hyperactivecrond> my desktop just transformed in front of me :)
[03:48] <jsgotangco> did you look at the wiki?
[03:48] <jsgotangco> the cookbook needs love
[03:48] <hyperactivecrond> what's the cookbook?
[03:49] <jsgotangco> its a complete how-to book
[03:49] <jsgotangco> from installing, configuring, and troubleshooting
[03:50] <hyperactivecrond> ok i'll keep that in mind.
[03:51] <hyperactivecrond> jsgotangco, where's the cookbook at?
[03:52] <jsgotangco> http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook
[03:54] <jsgotangco> i haven't moved much to the wiki yet i've been busy with the other docs
[03:54] <hyperactivecrond> ah
[03:55] <jsgotangco> last night i had to fix the svn so that we'll have a lightweight co for people
[03:55] <jsgotangco> and at the moment, the svn isn't package friendly so im fixing that as well
[03:56] <magnon> x
[03:56] <magnon> unintended.
[03:56] <magnon> jsgotangco: great job on the cookbook so far!
[03:56] <jsgotangco> thanks the rest i have to upload yet
[03:57] <magnon> is it finished?
[03:57] <jsgotangco> contributors always welcome
[03:57] <jsgotangco> no not really
[03:57] <jsgotangco> i still don't have a troubleshooting guide
[03:57] <jsgotangco> which should be the meat
[03:57] <jsgotangco> of the book itself
[03:57] <magnon> yeah, if you could point me in some right direction I could help
[03:57] <jsgotangco> that's why i had it moved to the wiki so we can collaborate
[03:57] <hyperactivecrond> well, i'm out
[03:58] <magnon> but if you have stuff unpublished, you know best what is needed.
[03:58] <jsgotangco> i'll move them to the wiki later
[03:59] <jsgotangco> and announce to list
[03:59] <magnon> ok :)
[04:00] <magnon> urm
[04:00] <ogra> before sleeping even...
[04:00] <magnon> I'd love a cig too
[04:00] <jsgotangco> ogra, do i need to explicitly include the gfdl?
[04:00] <magnon> jsgotangco: I believe you do
[04:00] <ogra> jsgotangco, nope... 
[04:00] <magnon> no?
[04:00] <jsgotangco> ok
[04:00] <ogra> it will be in the package copyright
[04:00] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[04:00] <magnon> ogra: what about external people who might access the wiki and do stuff?
[04:01] <magnon> which they are entirely able to do
[04:01] <ogra> the wiki has a note at the bottom of every page
[04:01] <ogra> it should at least
[04:01] <magnon> python powered? :
[04:01] <magnon> :P
[04:02] <ogra>  Everything on this site is licensed under the [WWW]  Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.5 License.
[04:02] <ogra> thats on the front page at least
[04:02] <magnon> a bit thin
[04:02] <magnon> imo.
[04:02] <magnon> just to be picky
[04:03] <magnon> and if it's gfdl it's not cc :)
[04:03] <ogra> true
[04:03] <ogra> so fo the wiki its probably needed
[04:04] <magnon> it should have a footer that says everything is CC unless anything else is noticed
[04:04] <magnon> and then probably something that explains that the cookbook is gfdl
[04:04] <magnon> feel free to nag me to implement :)
[04:05] <jsgotangco> the docs are usually on a dual license
[04:05] <jsgotangco> gfdl and cc-by-sa
[04:06] <magnon> if you used the tuxlabs cookbook you'd have to follow what they have though
[04:06] <magnon> dunno if cc-by-sa is compatible
[04:06] <jsgotangco> yes of course
[04:06] <magnon> damn you oliver
[04:07] <rejden> *yawn*
[04:08] <ogra> heh
[04:09] <jsgotangco> ogra, last question before you sleep
[04:09] <magnon> im trying to quit :P
[04:09] <jsgotangco> ogra, are we including the ubuntu-docs itself?
[04:09] <ogra> jsgotangco, i answered that yesterday ;)
[04:09] <ogra> if i can make space...
[04:10] <jsgotangco> ohh yeahhhh
[04:10] <jsgotangco> sorry
[04:10] <ogra> ppc exploded yesterday, so i have to find someting to drop
[04:10] <ogra> but most likely, yes
[04:10] <jsgotangco> we'll have a busy looking yelp
[04:11] <ogra> jsgotangco, btw, you were missed at the CC meeting :)
[04:11] <jsgotangco> its 4am!
[04:11] <jsgotangco> i read the logs
[04:11] <ogra> yup
[04:11] <jsgotangco> although i told smurfix early on that i'll surely miss it
[04:11] <jsgotangco> but zakameus was there so...
[04:12] <jsgotangco> i'll catch up next time
[04:12] <ogra> zakameus was there and spoke up for the team :)
[04:15] <ogra> ok, off to bed... night all
[04:16] <magnon> same
[04:16] <magnon> goodnight
[04:18] <jsgotangco> night
[04:45] <rejden> nite
[05:11] <mhz> moin
[05:12] <mhz> #ubuntu-laptops
[05:13] <jsgotangco> remove the s
[05:16] <mhz> hehe
[05:16] <mhz> yep
[08:38] <jsgotangco> hi JaneW 
[08:43] <JaneW> hi jsgotangco 
[08:43] <shaga> hi both
[08:48] <JaneW> hi shaga
[08:49] <JaneW> too much good food and wine 
[08:49] <jsgotangco> nice to know you have been enjoying things
[08:49] <jsgotangco> JaneW, i'll PM you
[08:49] <jsgotangco> if you're not busy
[08:49] <JaneW> jsgotangco: ok
[08:57] <JaneW> highvoltage: ping
[09:09] <shaga> heh, now at local library
[09:09] <shaga> fixing the common bsod-problem :p
[09:10] <shaga> I was just drinking coffee at my place, using edubuntu with a smile, I even had pizza in my oven.. then phone rang and here I am with this crap
[09:10] <highvoltage> JaneW: pong
[09:10] <shaga> I've already made kiosk-browser enviroment for them via ubuntu :p
[09:20] <JaneW> highvoltage: hello
[09:20] <JaneW> highvoltage: 2 things
[09:21] <JaneW> highvoltage: 1) MP3 player goodies... what's the plan, are they still arriving today? I need to pay for mine
[09:21] <JaneW> highvoltage: 2) The Edubuntu web site, any progess in the past week? We need to get ourselves organised for the launch, and we have ppl who need to see results from us
[09:24] <JaneW> when is SUMMER going to start!?
[09:25] <highvoltage> 1) not sure, i have money here, i'll send you my account details when they arrive
[09:26] <highvoltage> 2) not much, been to functions the past 2 nights, not having internet sucks badly, are you willing to put an hour asside tomorrow when you're in the office so that we can discuss some details
[09:26] <JaneW> highvoltage: ok, thanks... feel free to fill mine with cool music (if you have any and/or want to) :))
[09:27] <JaneW> highvoltage: ok, can do that
[09:27] <highvoltage> 2) (continued...) we can still have something worthwhile up by the end of the week
[09:27] <JaneW> highvoltage: will you be around for the meeting today (2pm our time)?
[09:27] <highvoltage> we can then pull in the other people and polish it up for launch.
[09:27] <JaneW> highvoltage: we can maybe discuss there too
[09:27] <highvoltage> i need to be in newlands for a meeting, i'm thinking of canceling that. i'll try.
[09:28] <JaneW> ok, if you can;t make it we'll have to deal with it tomorrow'
[09:28] <highvoltage> 3) September is often the coldest month in cape town, and october the windiest. Summer starts officially on 1 December, although it should get warmer from November.
[09:28] <JaneW> there appears to be a way to merge our wiki with the ubuntu wiki, but keep it looking like our theme :))
[09:28] <highvoltage> excellent. will Henrik be handling that?
[09:31] <JaneW> highvoltage: 3) thanks Mr Metorologist ;) (but you are right, we always have late summers)
[09:31] <JaneW> highvoltage: I have mailed im, but the new guy Gustavo knows what to do - just doesn't have the permissions
[09:57] <highvoltage> JaneW: the eagle has landed
[10:40] <JaneW> highvoltage: cool, will deposit asap
[10:49] <highvoltage> JaneW: thanks. i'll put some songs on your device, in the meantime
[10:54] <JaneW> highvoltage: yippee :))
[10:57] <jsgotangco> highvoltage, add some grindcore if possible
[10:57] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:04] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I want this thing to motivate me to run further, so I need some kind of vibey beat preferably ;)
[11:04] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: of course ;)
[11:05] <jsgotangco> napalm death
[11:05] <JaneW> highvoltage: did you give me the correct accnt #? it doesn't want to go through....
[11:06] <highvoltage> let me check...
[11:07] <JaneW> "   Please check the account number and re-enter the details to create the target."
[11:08] <highvoltage> i /msg'd it to you again. that's what i sent you,right?
[11:11] <JaneW> highvoltage: no it was different :P
[11:11] <JaneW> done
[11:34] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I just read your doc - very nice
[11:34] <JaneW> jsgotangco: friendly yet professional at the same time :))) best combination.
[11:34] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[11:35] <JaneW> thanks!
[11:35] <jsgotangco> ok so that's ok with you now?
[11:35] <jsgotangco> i'll put it on freeze
[11:40] <JaneW> yeah I think it looks great.
[11:41] <jsgotangco> JaneW, i need to have this collaborated as well
[11:41] <jsgotangco> JaneW, http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuReleaseNotes
[11:48] <JaneW> jsgotangco: ok that bascical the preview announcement, what need to happen to it?
[11:49] <jsgotangco> something like this
[11:49] <jsgotangco> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseNotes
[11:49] <jsgotangco> i havent cleaned up the edubuntu wiki yet
[11:52] <JaneW> ok
[12:00] <Yagisan> G'day ogra - hows xss going ?
[12:01] <ogra> sloow :)
[12:01] <ogra> design is done, i'm fighting with functions
[12:02] <shaga> damn I love wasp-theme for gnome, it's in gnome-themes-extras
[12:02] <Yagisan> I hope you get it finished soon
[12:02] <shaga> it's so lovely
[12:02] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu meeting in +- 2 hours in #ubuntu-meeting
[12:02] <shaga> fits with the edubuntu default wallpaper as well ;)
[12:03] <Yagisan> I'm having fun here - My firewall is giving kernel panics
[12:04] <Yagisan> ogra: was the pdf I posted interesting/useful for you ?
[12:04] <shaga> couple good punches on top of the heart will stimulate it enough to keep running :p
[12:04] <ogra> Yagisan, sorry, havent got the time ... i hacked until 5 am yesterday ... the same for the day before...
[12:05] <JaneW> Yagisan: what was it?
[12:05] <JaneW> ogra: are you coping? (and hello)
[12:05] <ogra> JaneW, moin :)
[12:05] <JaneW> moinmoin
[12:05] <ogra> JaneW, do i have a choice ? 
[12:05] <JaneW> ogra: always
[12:05] <ogra> haha
[12:05] <Yagisan> ogra: no worries. You have a local copy right ? - I need to take the webserver down for a while to diagnose some errors
[12:05] <ogra> ok
[12:06] <ogra> JaneW, would you look at it, i'll mail it to you
[12:06] <Yagisan> JaneW - I did a design spec for a similar project to edubuntu when I was in TAFE
[12:06] <jsgotangco> JaneW, i don't think i can attend but i've already updated you on the stuff
[12:06] <JaneW> jsgotangco: ok, understood
[12:06] <JaneW> ogra: ok
[12:07] <Yagisan> JaneW - it was a a while ago - and targeted at an IT education group - I thought it might be interesting
[12:08] <ogra> sent :)
[12:11] <JaneW> ta
[12:20] <JaneW> Yagisan: who is poppitt? ;)
[12:20] <Yagisan> Friend of mine
[12:21] <JaneW> cute
[12:21] <Yagisan> We did Network Engineering and E-Security together at TAFE
[12:22] <JaneW> 74 pages, might take me a while to get through it...
[12:23] <Yagisan> It took a while to write!
[12:23] <Yagisan> the educator wanted a "windows + ghost" solution
[12:24] <Yagisan> he was/is very anti linux
[12:25] <jsgotangco> brb
[12:25] <Yagisan> nwn - G'day poppitt
[12:25] <nwn> hi
[12:26] <nwn> thats me ;)
[12:27] <Yagisan> JaneW - I'd be interested in knowing what you think of the (slightly dated) doc
[12:31] <ogra> yay, button 1 of 3 of the lock dialog works.... :-D
[12:33] <Yagisan> cool
[12:33] <Yagisan> which button ?
[12:41] <ogra> Yagisan, from the screensaver lock dialog...
[12:42] <ogra> so 1/3 of the stuff thats keeping me from edubuntu work is solve :)
[12:42] <ogra> d
[12:43] <Yagisan> cool - when thats done - we'll harass you for multi-arch edubuntu :-P
[12:43] <shaga> :p
[01:01] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu meeting in +- 1 hour in #ubuntu-meeting
[01:09] <magnon> Goddamnit
[01:09] <magnon> the thin client reseller we have keeps spamming me with newsletters
[01:09] <magnon> two or more every day
[01:10] <Yagisan> magnon: invoice them for your time then. See if they still spam you after that
[01:26] <magnon> Yagisan: or bandwidth ;)
[01:26] <magnon> Yagisan: I probably agreed to be spammed when I got the account though
[01:27] <ogra_> hey, but thats great :) we can always ask you about the newest on the market :p
[01:28] <magnon> ogra_: oh yeah, there's a free seminar about "MOBILITY and DIGITAL LIFE" next week
[01:28] <ogra_> heh
[01:29] <magnon> and some weekly offers
[01:29] <Yagisan> magnon: you would be surprised how many business just pay any invoice sent to them
[01:29] <magnon> Yagisan: I know that, but they generally discover when they do the accounting ;)
[01:30] <Yagisan> magnon: yep - but that can be up to 3 months later depending on where you are
[01:30] <magnon> and then I'll be in trouble
[01:30] <Yagisan> magnon: I should disclose - I try to teach businesses to be vigilant about these sorts of things
[01:30] <Yagisan> magnon: but if they keep spamming ...
[01:31] <magnon> I'll just send an email and ask them not to offer me so much crap :)
[01:31] <magnon> The agreement probably says "we can spam you as a customer, so just accept it"
[01:31] <magnon> in a more formal manner
[01:32] <magnon> Thus, I have to live with it, but after norwegian law information about me is mine, so they will have to remove it if I want to - although that means I can't use their store
[01:33] <Yagisan> is it from a different from address to non-spam ?
[01:34] <Yagisan> if it is - tell spamassassin how to categorise it :)
[01:38] <Yagisan> hmm - hoary doesn't seem to like my dvd burner
[01:41] <magnon> I dunno about the non-spam
[01:45] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu meeting in 15 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[01:53] <ogra_> 2/3 done :-D
[01:54] <ogra_> i didnt expect to be this fast, yippie
[01:55] <Yagisan> yeah - finish xss - then we have a long list of demands :-P
[01:55] <magnon> what, oliver
[01:55] <magnon> ?
[01:56] <ogra_> only one button left... and some cosmetical changes
[01:56] <magnon> on what? :P
[01:57] <JaneW> ogra_: yay
[01:57] <ogra_> magnon, http://www.grawert.net/xss.html
[01:57] <JaneW> ogra_: will a meeting now bother you? want to postpone?
[01:58] <magnon> oh
[01:58] <magnon> congrats ;)
[01:58] <ogra_> i cant tell much edubuntu stuff in the meeting :)
[01:58] <ogra_> but why postponing...
[01:58] <JaneW> ogra_: ok can you go first and do 5 mins and then you can go?
[01:58] <ogra_> sure... but i doubt i can fill 5 min... except you got questions...
[01:59] <ogra_> i worked 20h/day on the screensaver since the weekend...
[01:59] <JaneW> 20!!!!!!
[02:00] <ogra_> yup... i'm a bit sleepy :)
[02:00] <Yagisan> I hope you get paid for that!
[02:00] <ogra_> Yagisan, my boss set the priority for the screensaver stuff over edubuntu :)
[02:00] <shaga> :D
[02:00] <ogra_> since edubuntu lags behind anyway i had to do it like that
[02:00] <Yagisan> but 20hrs a day!!!!
[02:01] <ogra_> i have to get it done... 4h sleep are enough currently... and the code is *very* odd, undocumented and time consuming :)
[02:02] <shaga> hc
[02:02] <ogra_> my GF left to her mother so i have to care for nothing ...
[02:02] <JaneW> ogra_: you would have no problem with a new baby if 4h sleep is enough for you ;)
[02:02] <magnon> Jesus.
[02:02] <ogra_> JaneW, for 3 days i can do that... probably for a week... but not until the first teeth come :)
[02:03] <magnon> 200 sqm, 6000/month
[02:03] <JaneW> lol
[02:03] <magnon> :S
[02:10] <mhz> moin JaneW 
[03:43] <magnon> ...next spam arrived :P
[03:53] <shaga> magnon: lol
[03:54] <magnon> "News! Itegra sells HP!"
[03:54] <magnon> already have a HP vendor, thanks very much
[03:58] <magnon> I'd toss them if they weren't the only vendor of our thin clients :(
[03:59] <shaga> :/
[04:18] <JaneW> what drug is flint on?
[04:18] <ogra_> heh
[04:19] <ogra_> i didnt see he went on talking to the room, i would have stopped him earlier
[04:19] <ogra_> he probably didnt get what != means
[04:20] <JaneW> heh
[04:21] <ogra_> hey JessicaX^ :)
[04:23] <JessicaX^> Hello
[04:29] <magnon> howdy
[04:32] <Yagisan> good night all
[04:32] <magnon> night
[04:32] <ogra_> night Yagisan 
[04:32] <mhz> where is Yagisan from????
[04:33] <magnon> .au
[04:33] <mhz> night already? hmm.
[04:40] <JaneW> mhz: still early there?
[04:40] <mhz> 10:41 now
[04:40] <mhz> AM
[04:41] <mhz> of sep 28th
[04:41] <mhz> 2005
[04:43] <JessicaX^> Anyone seen linescanner around
[04:43] <JessicaX^> ?
[04:44] <shaga> nope but I see you are attracted to him :D
[04:45] <ogra_> heh...
[04:45] <ogra_> JessicaX^, he has no regular time to come here... and isnt here every day... i guess its a matter of luck...
[04:46] <ogra_> he was intrested to get some issues solved though... he might come around later
[04:46] <shaga> I see a sort of following pattern about that, I'd quess he comes inside 7 hours and not before two hours :D
[04:46] <shaga> but that is just me and my third eye
[04:47] <JessicaX^> How does me asking about him make me attracted to him
[04:47] <shaga> don't ask me
[04:47] <JessicaX^> Well, you just said it
[04:48] <shaga> but in any case, I won't start to explain it :/ but I just didn't say it
[04:48] <JessicaX^> I asked about him because he wanted me to help his project
[04:48] <JessicaX^> I've got no relationship interests in him because i've never met him, seen him, or spoken to him face to face
[04:48] <JessicaX^> Coupled with the fact that i'm not single
[04:49] <shaga> yeah yeah, so you say
[04:49] <JessicaX^> So i say , what?
[04:49] <magnon> My god, you are short-fused
[04:49] <magnon> Take a joke, seriously
[04:50] <shaga> whatever you say
[04:50] <JessicaX^> Not really
[04:50] <shaga> yeah :)
[04:50] <JessicaX^> It's just not funny, though
[04:50] <shaga> sorry, beat it :)
[04:50] <JessicaX^> I asked, and then all of a sudden, he can't explain why
[04:50] <magnon> Mr. Grawert is a somewhat busy man
[04:51] <JessicaX^> Right, of course
[04:51] <shaga> there are just some things un-explainable
[04:51] <JessicaX^> yeah yeah, so you say
[04:51] <shaga> aye 
[04:52] <JessicaX^> Lol, if you're english, your grammar should be a lot better
[04:52] <shaga> mine?
[04:52] <JessicaX^> No, the popes
[04:52] <shaga> finnish
[04:53] <JessicaX^> That explains shy
[04:53] <JessicaX^> why*
[04:53] <shaga> yeah, sort of
[04:53] <JessicaX^> HEh
[05:01] <JaneW> lmao : Pentagon Information Technology Agency
[05:01] <JaneW> PITA
[05:02] <ogra_> lol
[05:02] <shaga> :D
[05:06] <JessicaX^> North American Cow Hauler's Office
[05:07] <shaga> http://www.acronymfinder.com/
[05:08] <shaga> rofl - Rene Ord for Lommepengene (Danish TV program)
[05:10] <JessicaX^> -_
[05:10] <JessicaX^> very good
[05:11] <JessicaX^>  STFU     Southern Tenant Farmer's Union
[05:50] <mhz> does any one have the link to he url where I can find a real outstanding Breezy cd cover work for Ubuntu???
[06:03] <shaga> http://www.kerrolisaa.com/kuvat/MGtupakit.jpg
[06:03] <shaga> :D
[06:09] <spacey> that would be a positive thing
[06:19] <shaga> :p
[06:19] <shaga> yeah
[06:20] <shaga> and so true
[06:20] <spacey> if you blow the smoke a lot in front of you
[06:21] <shaga> I mean, if you try to rob something and want to spot alarms before you walk to them
[06:21] <shaga> just blow some smoke on them
[06:22] <shaga> it doesn't need a lot
[06:22] <shaga> iirc
[06:24] <spacey> well i wouldn't rely on smoking when robbing a bank :P
[06:24] <spacey> would be great for a movie thoug
[07:02] <shaga> :D
[07:02] <shaga> I've seen it in beethoven 1
[07:02] <shaga> :D
[07:21] <JaneW> ogra_: help
[07:21] <JaneW> ogra_: I have been tasked with proofing some printing for canonical...
[07:39] <JaneW> ogra_: never mind... I think I figured it out...
[07:41] <ogra_> great
[10:29] <Burgundavia> http://ingwa2.blogspot.com/2005/09/koffice-kids-office.html
[10:29] <ogra_> Burgundavia, koffice isnt usable yet... its to young...
[10:29] <Burgundavia> no, look at th screenshots
[10:30] <Burgundavia> a mockup of a kids office suite
[10:30] <ogra_> ah, its a mockup, i thought it was a frontend
[10:30] <Burgundavia> no code yet
[10:30] <Burgundavia> but the concept looks cool
[10:30] <ogra_> up
[10:30] <ogra_> y
[10:31] <Burgundavia> hell, I would use such a concept
[10:31] <Burgundavia> I hate bloated office programs
[10:32] <ogra_> use abiword and gnumeric then...
[10:32] <Burgundavia> I do
[10:33] <mpt> Burgundavia: Tried Microsoft Creative Writer?
[10:33] <Burgundavia> mpt, does it run on Linux?
[10:34] <Burgundavia> nope
[10:34] <mpt> no, it kinda dates from before Linux
[10:34] <mpt> it was a word processor designed for kids
[10:34] <Burgundavia> http://www.microsoft.com/kids/creativewriter/ <-- this link takes me to zoo tycoon 2
[10:34] <mpt> indeed
[10:35] <mpt> from which I would guess that Creative Writer itself has been discontinued
[10:35] <Burgundavia> screenshots look interesting
[10:36] <mpt> I haven't tried Apple Pages, but I bet it's great for kids
[10:39] <mpt> since it has 10 big toolbar buttons by default, and makes styles+templates really easy
[10:39] <mpt> (imo that's what Abiword and Gnumeric should do to compete with OpenOffice)
[10:39] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:39] <mhz> JaneW: ping
[10:39] <Burgundavia> and the GOCollab stuff needs to be actively worked on
[11:28] <hyperactivecrond> ogra_, i've got another idea.
[11:29] <hyperactivecrond> check out schoolone at www.schoolone.com
[11:29] <hyperactivecrond> somehow find a way to intergrate a backend in to edu
[11:29] <hyperactivecrond> buntu
[11:29] <hyperactivecrond> schoolone is a web-based tool that allows students parents and teachers to communicate and chek grades and stuff
[11:32] <ogra_> thats what moodle does too
[11:32] <ogra_> but i'll check it during the app finding process for dapper
[11:35] <hyperactivecrond> cpp;
[11:35] <hyperactivecrond> cool*
[11:42] <hyperactivecrond> we should put a bootsplash theme by default on edubuntu along with a graphical grub screen so student's don't have to sit and look at a bunch of kernel stuff
[11:45] <mhz> ogra_:  A new OEM mode to simplify the process of preinstalling Ubuntu on computers for resale or redistribution
[11:45] <mhz> what does that mean??
[11:45] <mhz> hyperactivecrond: but it's fun to looka t kernel stuff
[11:46] <hyperactivecrond> mhz: not for students who can (possibly) screw stuff up
[11:46] <mhz> hehe
[11:46] <mhz> the "force" is just one, wether we use it for good or bad
[11:47] <ogra_> hyperactivecrond, thats in since a while ... 
[11:47] <ogra_> hyperactivecrond, since today it should even have a edubuntu logo instead of a ubuntu logo
[11:48] <ogra_> as well as since today there should be a graphical boot for the ltsp thin clients
[11:49] <ogra_> mhz, thats for OEM mass deployment... not really intresting for normal users...
[11:54] <mhz> ogra_: I know, but it is VERY interested for a Chilean project I am working on
[11:55] <ogra_> mhz, so you should talk with Kamion about it tomorrow (he's to bed already)
[11:55] <mhz> oh
[12:00] <mhz> just a question... if I have a LTSP server, and iMac boxes, can they boot from the server???
[12:00] <ogra_> not yet
[12:00] <ogra_> we dont have multiarch support for ltsp yet... but its planned
[12:00] <hyperactivecrond> ogra cool