[12:23] Riddell: http://ns2708.ovh.net/temp/adept.svg [12:23] you might not like but juste be honest ;) [12:25] Tonio-: the CDROM needs a bit more contrast. Try ctrl-- until it's as small as in window deko. Hard to spot [12:26] yep [12:26] contrast in not well actually [12:26] but appart from that ? [12:26] it was hard to find something really different from synaptic ;) [12:26] Tonio-: gnome 'is' brown and kde is blue. Not sure what this brainstorm will tell us [12:26] allee: yep but a bluebox ? [12:27] blueray disk??? ;) [12:27] LOL [12:27] I mean, the box is brown because, well boxes are brown ;) [12:27] Tonio-: seriously it was just a thought that jumped to my mind. No idea if it's helpful [12:27] but yep, maybe we ahve something to do with colors [12:28] it maybe doesn't suit enough with kde color sheme... that's my feeling, do you agree allee ? [12:29] blue box (transparent like trash icon) with grey CD? [12:29] Tonio-: again just brainstorming [12:31] maybe putting blue colors on the cd [12:31] I'm testing [12:32] Tonio-: nice [12:32] Tonio-: at least the CDROM should be bigger compared to the box [12:33] very nice actually, I'm just too tired to complement better just now [12:33] I don't think it needs blue but it could do with a crystal effect [12:33] Tonio-: instead of the label on the box use a blue '>' icons that is used 'everywhere in adept window [12:34] allee: nice idea [12:34] at least when _I_ think for a 'typical' symbol for adept a blue '>' pops up. Of course this only helps to recognize when you run adept once ;) [12:35] although I don't think there's an SVG of that [12:35] allee: bigger than the box ? [12:35] in front of the box in fact no ? === hyperactivecrond [n=chris@ppp-69-215-235-154.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:35] CD size looks fine [12:35] hello hyperactivecrond [12:35] hey [12:35] why doesn't ogg/vorbis lib come with kubuntu-desktop? [12:36] allee: problem is that the label is about invisible when you resize [12:36] but I will add this yes [12:36] the > in from of the box maybe 'written' on the label or as a replacement. But I assume for small icons one will not see it anymore [12:36] hyperactivecrond: it does [12:36] hmm... [12:36] my bad === hyperactivecrond [n=chris@ppp-69-215-235-154.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [12:36] another satisfied customer :) [12:37] my maybe just a cd with the overlayed '>' ? [12:38] overlayed ? [12:38] -> my dictionnary ;) [12:39] I mean '>' should not look like it's printed on the CD. Just a CDROM symbol with a big fat slightly transparent '>' in front [12:39] Riddell: needs two icons no ? [12:40] one for adept and one for adept updater ? [12:40] Tonio-: hmm, yes. good point [12:40] the updater icon should be a variant of the plain adept one [12:40] one with '>' other with 'v' ;) [12:40] okay, so I will do the second adding the "full upgrade" button on the front instead of the label [12:41] Tonio-: sounds good === \sh is now known as \sh_away [01:11] allee, Riddell: http://ns2708.ovh.net/temp/adept_updater.svg [01:11] is that good for you ? [01:14] Tonio-: wonderful [01:16] okay [01:16] I'm preparing the icon for adept manaer [01:16] yeah, much better (defenitely better than anything I could do!!) I still have the impression that it's worth a try to make the CD bigger so it's more visible in the small icon version [01:16] I just hope this will be nice when resized [01:16] this is the problem, you can't guess how it becomes when you resize it to 16x16 [01:17] Tonio-: load in konqueror and use ctrl-- several times [01:18] done and I must say I'm not in love with the result unfortunatly ;) [01:18] but playing with rounds and border size could help resolving this === hunger [n=hunger@p54A63C4E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:23] Tonio-: Nitpicking, is the wonkiness shown in http://vizzzion.org/~sebas/tmp/adept.png on purpose or my broken client? [01:28] sebas: what's your SVG program? [01:29] Riddell: That "thing" in konqueror, maybe ksvg (from breezy, right what you were afraid of maybe). [01:29] yes, ksvg [01:29] Refreshing / zooming does not help, btw. [01:30] ah, I see the part you're looking at [01:30] I presume that isn't the desired effect but I think it's a common issue with ksvg [01:32] allee, Riddell: http://ns2708.ovh.net/temp/adept_manager.svg [01:32] is all of that okay for you ? [01:33] sebas: svg looks fine in hoary and breezy. There were some kde* updates lately. Maybe this confuses konqueror (logout/in should fix it) [01:35] sebas: I also use ksvg and it if fine. [01:35] Did you try with maybe firefox for example ? [01:36] My firefox doesn't do svg [01:36] Tonio-: try split left right in konqueror and load the two versions. As small icons the diff between blue and green is hard to spot [01:36] yes, it needs a plugin.... [01:36] preparing to (re)booting breezy -> [01:36] allee: I know [01:36] that's the problem === sebas quickly updates to $latest. [01:37] the icons don't suit nice when reduced a lot.... [01:37] damn, damn, damn ;) [01:37] any idea allee ? [01:38] maybe removing the cd [01:38] Tonio-: FWIW get rid of the box and just use the CD and the 2 different symbols??? [01:38] Ken Wimer from the Oxygen team proposed creating special, smaller versions. But that might not be workable. [01:38] just the box [01:38] he [01:38] it'l help maiking a bigger place on the front [01:38] and then place the green and blue... [01:38] I'm trying [01:48] Tonio-: I'm not a fan of random arrows on icons [01:49] nite all [01:53] Riddell: random ? you mean "fetch update" icon ? [01:53] Tonio-: no, on your latest adept_manager.svg [01:53] icons with arrows in opposing directions just say "there's an action here but I can't describe it" [01:54] yep, I added the "fetch update" two greens arrows [01:54] is that what you don't like ? [01:54] yes [01:54] too much like random arrows [01:57] okay, I'll find something else [01:57] mhmm, current icon is more like a mime-type icon. Adept is an app so we need a logo. So we are free to choose the symbol(s), right? [01:58] allee, Riddell: http://ns2708.ovh.net/temp/adept_updater2.svg [01:58] Tonio-: sticky note seemed fine to me :) [01:58] that's better when reduced, definetly [01:59] Tonio-: not sure it's as recognisable [01:59] the problem is that the icon isn't nice at all when reduced..... [02:01] okay let's test again ;) [02:02] Riddell: habe ou tried to reduce ? [02:03] As a more abstract logo (idea) a blue '>' with one while wing? A lying CD with a '>' standing upright on it? === allee goes now to bed, promised! [02:04] whithout box in fact ? [02:04] yep that can help ;) [02:04] just a cd and the blue arrox ;) you mean this ? [02:04] arrow === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:05] that might be nice for adept-updater but for the manager ? [02:06] yes the blue left (and down arrow) should be pretty visible also in small sizes. update a blue 'v' manager a '>' [02:07] down for updater ? [02:08] I prefer "up" cause this is the software update icon [02:08] yes (compare kget) [02:08] Tonio-: yeah, up makes more sense [02:08] I'm trying [02:08] up for updater and right for manager [02:08] Riddell: how do you find the idea ? [02:27] hello again [02:28] I think the adept and adept-updater icons should be very similar [02:28] Tonio-: idea sounds fine [02:31] Riddell: the problem is that with just a cd and no box, it is not very clear, so many apps have a cd as logo.... [02:31] probably just the box with no cd sound more "clear" to the people..... [02:31] hmm [02:32] ark got box and arrow? [02:35] An update didn't fix the wonkiness, btw. === sebas goes to bed. [02:38] I like the first origional icon you posted [02:38] and the first updater icon [02:45] Riddell: but they are crappy when reduced, really...... that's the problem ! [02:45] I'm trying to export to svg and we'll see ;) [02:46] 16x16 and 22x22 icons always have to be touched up [02:46] hmm [02:46] always? [02:46] ;) [02:47] aye, sir [02:47] note to self: prepare to spend time when dist-upgrading [03:01] bray with me, booting to breezy(?) -> [03:01] pray I mean [03:01] anyway :p -> === Riddell brays [03:05] :p [03:05] well well well [03:06] X has some issues, it seems [03:12] Riddell: I try to do that package in next 8 hours, if I can't, I'll tell it ya [03:16] Riddell: steel there ? [03:17] http://ns2708.ovh.net/temp/adept_icons.tar.gz [03:18] I'll change a few details to increase visibility in the next days, but well, that my sound better than nothing for the moment ;) [03:32] hmm, no working X here [03:49] font issue, got it === Tm_T shut his mouth for awhile === iandexter [n=iandexte@203.131.67.205] has joined #kubuntu-devel === iandexter [n=iandexte@203.131.67.205] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Back] === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === verwilst [n=verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio- [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio- [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh [10:27] Riddell: sorry but I think I can't do that package, I messed my system :p [11:48] Tm_T: what's messed? [11:59] well, first was xorg&fonts [12:00] now, X works, BUT every key n keyboard canges resolution [12:00] in X, not in console [12:00] :/ [12:07] that's a bit freaky [12:07] aye, sir [12:08] breezy <3 [12:14] hmm, some x thingie is taking keyboard? [12:15] err, great [12:15] gdm doesn't give me option to get back console =) [12:15] so fucking great [12:34] hmm, strange [12:34] ubuntu-live doesn't work either, maybe knoppix :p [12:35] Tonio-: icons are in [12:35] thanks very much [12:59] Riddell: just rebuilt them [01:00] you might find that better... [01:00] damn I should have told you to wait.... [01:03] Riddell: http://ns2708.ovh.net/temp/adept_updater.svg [01:03] don't you prefer this ? [01:05] Tonio-: looks funky [01:06] would you prefer this ? [01:10] Tonio-: it would be best to have a crystal style shine on it [01:11] so much like what you just pointed me to but with a curve on the shine [01:12] okay [01:12] problem is I don't how to make that effect ;) I'm not designer ;) [01:12] let me check [01:16] look at the folder SVG icons for example === Tm_M [n=tm_travo@85-156-68-90.elisa-mobile.fi] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:28] yep, you would like an crystal svg icon in fact... [01:29] and what about the color sheme, do you prefer the actual or the old one ? [01:29] Tonio-: new colour scheme looks nice [01:30] okay, but with crystal svg effect [01:30] I'm looking to kmail svg icon, which has about the same color sheme and crystal effect [01:31] it doesn't have the double curve that the folder icons have [01:31] got idea while sitting in bus, keyb in X is misbehaving because some fi-package is f*cked maybe? [01:33] fi package? [01:33] finnish [01:37] that's the kb layout I'm supposed to use [01:38] have to try that when I get back home [01:38] gotta go now === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D0719.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:49] Riddell: can you imagin I'm doing everything with a touchpad ^^ no mouse out there..... [01:50] Tonio-: yuck [01:50] yep lol [01:50] I've understand the main effect for crystal [01:50] I'm doing it right now === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:22] Riddell: http://ns2708.ovh.net/temp/adept_updater.svg -> added the effect you wanted ;) [02:27] Tonio-: nice, but doesn't have the double curve you can find on the folder icons [02:27] double curve ? [02:28] you mean ? [02:29] Tonio-: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/crsc-filesys-folder_cyan.svgz [02:29] see the curved shine on the front of the folder [02:30] that's very classicly "crystal" [02:30] a kind of shadow is missing you mean ? [02:31] well the other half of the shine is the shadow [02:31] okay I understand.... let's go [02:31] it might not work of course but that's what I was getting at [02:32] well the problem is that this curve is easy to place when you have a kind of "plate" surface, but with a cube....... [02:32] I make a test [02:33] I can put it on the cd with ease to start [02:34] Tonio-: kmess got in the archive by the way [02:34] Tonio-: you should check it compiled then check it downloads and runs [02:37] okay ;) thanks for this ! [02:42] Riddell: tested; it works like a charm ^^ [03:00] Riddell: the current? ICE report is: kaffeine_0.7-0ubuntu4 kdebindings_4:3.4.2-0ubuntu3 kdeedu_4:3.4.2-0ubuntu4 kdegraphics_4:3.4.2-0ubuntu2 kdenetwork_4:3.4.2-0ubuntu3 kdepim_4:3.4.2-0ubuntu2 kdetoys_4:3.4.2-0ubuntu1 kdeutils_4:3.4.2-0ubuntu1 knetworkconf_0.6.1-3ubuntu6 koffice_1:1.4.1-0ubuntu6 konversation_0.18-1ubuntu3 ksystemlog_0.3.2-0ubuntu1 sanekonsole_0.2-0ubuntu1 [03:00] although you may have fixed some of those with uploads already.... [03:00] and that's just main [03:00] (hppa of course) [03:01] lamont-away: ok, it shouldn't be too hard to fix those same as kdelibs and kdebase [03:01] right [03:02] mind you, I don't think any of them are blocking ubuntu-desktop. :-) === Riddell adds to today's TODO === lamont-away must run [03:02] Riddell: http://ns2708.ovh.net/temp/adept_updater.svg -> is this the kind of double curve you would like to see ? [03:02] the problem is that a cube a multiple faces, and if I had double curve on each of them, it might be a bit too much I think.... [03:03] maybe just on the cd ??? what do you think ? [03:05] Tonio-: that's the one [03:05] I think on the two large sides of the box [03:05] yep but do you want me to add double curve on each face ? [03:05] okay on the front, and maybe on the cd ? [03:05] yeah [03:05] three should be enough, and then i would consider my icon is quite correct ;) [03:05] let's go !! [03:13] Riddell: I can't put the double curve on the main side, because o the update logo, but let me test and show you [03:14] Tonio-: I don't see why not [03:14] under it probably [03:15] yep but that's not very visible...... I'm testing [03:18] Riddell: http://ns2708.ovh.net/temp/adept_updater.svg -> like this or do I invert the way they are positionned ? [03:19] we're about the end this time :) [03:19] Tonio-: I think the one of the left goes the other way around, the light source doesn't change [03:19] yep [03:19] but on the right it is not supposed to receive light ^^ [03:19] didn't you check this ? [03:19] ssh, nobody will know [03:21] LOL [03:33] damn [03:33] Riddell: http://ns2708.ovh.net/temp/adept_updater.svg -> should be the one ;) [03:35] Tm_T: how do you find it compared to the one yesterday ? [03:36] can't see [03:36] no X here ;) [03:36] arf [03:36] =) [03:36] ircing from the shell ? [03:36] thi is strange... [03:37] well read the xml and gimme your comments ;) [03:37] ^^ [03:37] haha [03:37] can you imagine some people are able to do this [03:37] Tonio-: ircing from shell is normal to me, but this problem what I have [03:37] read an xml file and see the sg in their head [03:37] doh [03:38] I have seen one yes [03:38] in three minutes he could replace the main parts of the svg, not everything of course, and not on a very complex svg, but he could :) [03:56] Riddell: to clarify, am I right in saying: the searchbar does have a "main" google favicon but the searchengine selection menu doesn't have the right icons? [03:57] that's how my working svn copy works right now.. [03:58] tvo: other way around, the search bar lacks the icon but the menu has it [03:58] if you select the google item in the menu it gets the icon in the search bar [03:58] try it with a new user, or a live cd [03:59] tried with my kdedev user after erasing all caches, .kde etc. [04:00] hmm, strange can't reproduce that with my SVN copy.. I'll try adding another user then.. [04:01] tvo, Riddell , your comments to know if I'm building all the PNGs ? [04:01] http://ns2708.ovh.net/temp/adept_manager.svgz [04:01] http://ns2708.ovh.net/temp/adept_updater.svgz [04:02] ah got it, I guess I need to modify the code to regenerate the menu if favicons are added.. [04:02] Tonio-: looks like a work of perfection to me [04:02] lol thanks ;) I must say I prefer that to yesterday's work, with no doubt [04:03] looks good [04:03] okay I'm maiking the pngs [04:04] AND it is different from kynaptic or synaptic ;) that's what I wanted === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:18] Riddell: does it matter the icons are for the default searchengines are only shown after that page has been visited at least once, [04:18] or do we want to include copies of the favicons in the package? [04:18] tvo: I'd say we want to inlude the icons [04:19] isn't that how it's done at the moment in stock KDE? [04:19] only the google.png is in KDE 3.4.91 svn [04:20] that should do then [04:22] we need to add favicons for merriam webster, wikipedia and open directory because they're in the menu too by default [04:24] anyway, I'll modify the searchbar to use google.png more often (instead of online favicon) [04:25] Riddell: hmm, pretty much xorg updates today in breezy =) [04:25] maybe they fixed now my problem [04:36] Riddell: http://ns2708.ovh.net/temp/adept_icons.tar.gz -> here it is, you have all icons in png (128, 64, 48, 32, 22, 16) and svg files [04:36] touchpad pawa !!! ^_^ [04:39] :/ [04:42] Tonio-: new icon in, thanks very much [04:42] :) [04:44] Riddell: thanks === kkasina [n=ken@62.56.250.78] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away [04:58] Riddell: sorry for asking this but (because i would like to understand) why asking especially to \sh and not another motu ? Does \sh have a special role in rvu organisation ? [05:00] Tonio-: anyone will do but \sh_away is more into KDE than other MOTUs [05:00] Tonio-: but yeah, ask others too [05:00] although dholbach is always very strict, so watch out for him :) [05:00] Riddell: I now have some YES from daniel ;) [05:01] gosh, where on? [05:01] I got so many NO that I now know what he is checking for, especially md5sum etc... [05:01] on kmess for example [05:01] he told it was alright [05:02] Riddell: dh@mailempfang.de charming, take it away... :) Yes [05:02] that made me proud !! === Riddell discoveres the archive button on revu [05:03] also got a YES on pwmanager, and he (supposedly) uploaded it [05:03] but I haven't been able to see it in the archive [05:03] Riddell: how long does it take to get a package in universe while uploaded, max 24 hours no ? [05:04] Tonio-: NEW can be 48 hours or longer [05:05] just whenever elmo gets around to looking it over [05:05] but three weeks ? [05:05] hmm, no shouldn't be three weeks [05:05] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=316 -> supposed to have been uploaded three weeks ago by daniel [05:05] Tonio-: poke daniel then, see what he's heard [05:05] and not in universe [05:05] yp i'll do [05:06] I will let you work now, you should have so many things to do ;)* [05:06] Riddell: nice day and thanks for all ! [05:06] always welcome === StR [n=str@200.6.226.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:07] Hi all! [05:07] yu [05:07] hi StR [05:08] I'm now using Breezy! [05:08] me too [05:08] with kde 3.5 [05:08] without X or keyboard [05:08] Tm_T: lol... [05:09] has something to do the way xorg handling my kb now [05:11] Tm_T: you shuoud use Driver "kbd" in the InputDevice in xorg.cong [05:12] I do [05:12] but everytime press any kay it just changes X resolution [05:12] +I [05:12] weird.. [05:13] s/kay/key [05:13] no shit =) [05:14] have any1 seen the usplash? [05:15] Hi [05:15] hi kkasina [05:16] StR: I havn't made the usplash yet, I'm just about to. artwork is on KubuntuArtwork [05:16] Hi StR === StR is still figting with his atheros madwifi driver... [05:17] I cannot believe that we are using PHP5 for breezy... [05:26] where did they decide that? [05:28] StR: any reason not to? [05:28] Riddell: there is no pear package [05:28] ok, had enough with this for one day -> [05:33] Riddell: where can I ask why did they chose to use php5? [05:33] #ubuntu-devel [05:35] php5 rocks ;) [05:36] file a bug for the pear packages not to be there? [05:36] wel, it does.. but many apps use pear [05:36] phpmyadmin is locked on php4-cgi too [05:37] but should work fine with php5-cgi [05:37] so that's a bug too [05:37] true [05:37] or libapache2-mod-php{4,5} don't remember [05:37] anyways, i'm using breezy in my company now to setup our next-generation shared webhosting platform :d [05:38] verwilst: nice... [05:38] verwilst: so..you will not be able to use user pear, right? [05:39] guess not.. didn't think of that yet though :( [05:39] I'm using ubuntu to develop webapps with postgres +php ... and a debian server to host them... [05:39] i'm now doing the basics, implementing website/account creation and stuffs [05:39] debian's too old again [05:39] their kernel doesn't work on any dell server [05:39] at least not 2.6 [05:39] and I was tempted to use php5... but we need pear [05:40] StR: file a bugreport [05:40] it might enter, you never know [05:40] brb, home! [05:40] verwilst: how do I do that? [06:02] that amarok si really buggy in 3.5.... using that xine engine... [06:03] I don't understand why it cannot use the arts engine [06:06] brb === kkasina [n=ken@62.56.250.78] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === \sh_away is now known as \sh === \sh is now known as \sh_away [07:17] :'( [07:20] why r u crying Tm_T ? === Tonio- [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:30] StR: my xorg & kb :/ [07:30] they are allianced against me! [07:30] lol.... [07:30] stil that very same problem [07:31] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?? [07:31] doesn't help [07:31] really? [07:31] yup [07:31] Tm_T: with breezy? [07:31] yup [07:31] I notice that they changed the packages right now... apt-get update and dist-upgrade now? [07:31] hmm [07:32] maybe I boot it up then === author-psi [n=marcel@p5090671A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:40] hi guys [07:40] yu [07:40] Riddell: Ping [07:41] author-psi: sir Riddell ;) [07:41] okay.. [07:41] =) [07:41] Master Riddell: Ping [07:41] :P [07:41] author-psi: no titles please [07:42] ;) [07:42]