[12:23] <Tonio-> Riddell: http://ns2708.ovh.net/temp/adept.svg
[12:23] <Tonio-> you might not like but juste be honest ;)
[12:25] <allee> Tonio-: the CDROM needs a bit more contrast.  Try ctrl-- until it's as small as in window deko.  Hard to spot
[12:26] <Tonio-> yep
[12:26] <Tonio-> contrast in not well actually
[12:26] <Tonio-> but appart from that ?
[12:26] <Tonio-> it was hard to find something really different from synaptic ;)
[12:26] <allee> Tonio-: gnome 'is' brown and kde is blue.   Not sure what this brainstorm will tell us
[12:26] <Tonio-> allee: yep but a bluebox ?
[12:27] <allee> blueray disk??? ;)
[12:27] <Tonio-> LOL
[12:27] <Tonio-> I mean, the box is brown because, well boxes are brown ;)
[12:27] <allee> Tonio-: seriously it was just a thought that jumped to my mind.  No idea if it's helpful
[12:27] <Tonio-> but yep, maybe we ahve something to do with colors
[12:28] <Tonio-> it maybe doesn't suit enough with kde color sheme... that's my feeling, do you agree allee ?
[12:29] <allee> blue box (transparent like trash icon) with grey CD?
[12:29] <allee> Tonio-: again just brainstorming
[12:31] <Tonio-> maybe putting blue colors on the cd
[12:31] <Tonio-> I'm testing
[12:32] <Riddell> Tonio-: nice
[12:32] <allee> Tonio-: at least the CDROM should be bigger compared to the box
[12:33] <Riddell> very nice actually, I'm just too tired to complement better just now
[12:33] <Riddell> I don't think it needs blue but it could do with a crystal effect
[12:33] <allee> Tonio-: instead of the label on the box use a blue '>' icons that is used 'everywhere in adept window
[12:34] <Riddell> allee: nice idea
[12:34] <allee> at least when _I_ think for a 'typical' symbol for adept a blue '>' pops up.  Of course this only helps to recognize when you run adept once ;)
[12:35] <Riddell> although I don't think there's an SVG of that
[12:35] <Tonio-> allee: bigger than the box ?
[12:35] <Tonio-> in front of the box in fact no ?
[12:35] <Riddell> CD size looks fine
[12:35] <Riddell> hello hyperactivecrond 
[12:35] <hyperactivecrond> hey
[12:35] <hyperactivecrond> why doesn't ogg/vorbis lib come with kubuntu-desktop?
[12:36] <Tonio-> allee: problem is that the label is about invisible when you resize
[12:36] <Tonio-> but I will add this yes
[12:36] <allee> the > in from of the box maybe 'written' on the label or as a replacement.  But I assume for small icons one will not see it anymore
[12:36] <Riddell> hyperactivecrond: it does
[12:36] <hyperactivecrond> hmm...
[12:36] <hyperactivecrond> my bad
[12:36] <Riddell> another satisfied customer :)
[12:37] <allee> my maybe just a cd with the overlayed '>' ?
[12:38] <Tonio-> overlayed ?
[12:38] <Tonio-> -> my dictionnary ;)
[12:39] <allee> I mean '>' should not look like it's printed on the CD.  Just a CDROM symbol with a big fat slightly transparent '>' in front
[12:39] <Tonio-> Riddell: needs two icons no ?
[12:40] <Tonio-> one for adept and one for adept updater ?
[12:40] <Riddell> Tonio-: hmm, yes. good point
[12:40] <Riddell> the updater icon should be a variant of the plain adept one
[12:40] <allee> one with '>' other with 'v' ;)
[12:40] <Tonio-> okay, so I will do the second adding the "full upgrade" button on the front instead of the label
[12:41] <Riddell> Tonio-: sounds good
[01:11] <Tonio-> allee, Riddell: http://ns2708.ovh.net/temp/adept_updater.svg
[01:11] <Tonio-> is that good for you ?
[01:14] <Riddell> Tonio-: wonderful
[01:16] <Tonio-> okay
[01:16] <Tonio-> I'm preparing the icon for adept manaer
[01:16] <allee> yeah, much better (defenitely better than anything I could do!!)  I still have the impression that it's worth a try to make the CD bigger so it's more visible in the small icon version
[01:16] <Tonio-> I just hope this will be nice when resized
[01:16] <Tonio-> this is the problem, you can't guess how it becomes when you resize it to 16x16
[01:17] <allee> Tonio-: load in konqueror and use ctrl-- several times
[01:18] <Tonio-> done and I must say I'm not in love with the result unfortunatly ;)
[01:18] <Tonio-> but playing with rounds and border size could help resolving this
[01:23] <sebas> Tonio-: Nitpicking, is the wonkiness shown in http://vizzzion.org/~sebas/tmp/adept.png on purpose or my broken client?
[01:28] <Riddell> sebas: what's your SVG program?
[01:29] <sebas> Riddell: That "thing" in konqueror, maybe ksvg (from breezy, right what you were afraid of maybe).
[01:29] <Riddell> yes, ksvg
[01:29] <sebas> Refreshing / zooming does not help, btw.
[01:30] <Riddell> ah, I see the part you're looking at
[01:30] <Riddell> I presume that isn't the desired effect but I think it's a common issue with ksvg
[01:32] <Tonio-> allee, Riddell: http://ns2708.ovh.net/temp/adept_manager.svg
[01:32] <Tonio-> is all of that okay for you ?
[01:33] <allee> sebas: svg looks fine in hoary and breezy.  There were some kde* updates lately.  Maybe this confuses konqueror (logout/in should fix it)
[01:35] <Tonio-> sebas: I also use ksvg and it if fine.
[01:35] <Tonio-> Did you try with maybe firefox for example ?
[01:36] <sebas> My firefox doesn't do svg
[01:36] <allee> Tonio-: try split left right in konqueror and load the two versions.  As small icons the diff between blue and green is hard to spot
[01:36] <Tonio-> yes, it needs a plugin....
[01:36] <Tm_T> preparing to (re)booting breezy ->
[01:36] <Tonio-> allee: I know
[01:36] <Tonio-> that's the problem
[01:37] <Tonio-> the icons don't suit nice when reduced a lot....
[01:37] <Tonio-> damn, damn, damn ;)
[01:37] <Tonio-> any idea allee  ?
[01:38] <Tonio-> maybe removing the cd
[01:38] <allee> Tonio-: FWIW get rid of the box and just use the CD and the 2 different symbols???
[01:38] <sebas> Ken Wimer from the Oxygen team proposed creating special, smaller versions. But that might not be workable.
[01:38] <Tonio-> just the box
[01:38] <allee> he
[01:38] <Tonio-> it'l help maiking a bigger place on the front
[01:38] <Tonio-> and then place the green and blue...
[01:38] <Tonio-> I'm trying
[01:48] <Riddell> Tonio-: I'm not a fan of random arrows on icons
[01:49] <allee> nite all
[01:53] <Tonio-> Riddell: random ? you mean "fetch update" icon ?
[01:53] <Riddell> Tonio-: no, on your latest adept_manager.svg
[01:53] <Riddell> icons with arrows in opposing directions just say "there's an action here but I can't describe it"
[01:54] <Tonio-> yep, I added the "fetch update" two greens arrows
[01:54] <Tonio-> is that what you don't like ?
[01:54] <Riddell> yes
[01:54] <Riddell> too much like random arrows
[01:57] <Tonio-> okay, I'll find something else
[01:57] <allee> mhmm, current icon is more like a mime-type icon. Adept is an app so we need a logo.  So we are free to choose the symbol(s), right?
[01:58] <Tonio-> allee, Riddell: http://ns2708.ovh.net/temp/adept_updater2.svg
[01:58] <Riddell> Tonio-: sticky note seemed fine to me :)
[01:58] <Tonio-> that's better when reduced, definetly
[01:59] <Riddell> Tonio-: not sure it's as recognisable
[01:59] <Tonio-> the problem is that the icon isn't nice at all when reduced.....
[02:01] <Tonio-> okay let's test again ;)
[02:02] <Tonio-> Riddell: habe ou tried to reduce ?
[02:03] <allee> As a more abstract logo (idea)  a blue '>' with one while wing?  A lying CD with a '>' standing upright on it?
[02:04] <Tonio-> whithout box in fact ?
[02:04] <Tonio-> yep that can help ;)
[02:04] <Tonio-> just a cd and the blue arrox ;) you mean this ?
[02:04] <Tonio-> arrow
[02:05] <Tonio-> that might be nice for adept-updater but for the manager ?
[02:06] <allee> yes the blue left (and down arrow) should be pretty visible also in small sizes.  update a blue 'v' manager a '>'
[02:07] <Tonio-> down for updater ?
[02:08] <Tonio-> I prefer "up" cause this is the software update icon
[02:08] <allee> yes (compare kget)
[02:08] <allee> Tonio-: yeah, up makes more sense
[02:08] <Tonio-> I'm trying
[02:08] <Tonio-> up for updater and right for manager
[02:08] <Tonio-> Riddell: how do you find the idea ?
[02:27] <Tm_T> hello again
[02:28] <Riddell> I think the adept and adept-updater icons should be very similar
[02:28] <Riddell> Tonio-: idea sounds fine
[02:31] <Tonio-> Riddell: the problem is that with just a cd and no box, it is not very clear, so many apps have a cd as logo....
[02:31] <Tonio-> probably just the box with no cd sound more "clear" to the people.....
[02:31] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:32] <Tm_T> ark got box and arrow?
[02:35] <sebas> An update didn't fix the wonkiness, btw.
[02:38] <Riddell> I like the first origional icon you posted
[02:38] <Riddell> and the first updater icon
[02:45] <Tonio-> Riddell: but they are crappy when reduced, really...... that's the problem !
[02:45] <Tonio-> I'm trying to export to svg and we'll see ;)
[02:46] <Riddell> 16x16 and 22x22 icons always have to be touched up
[02:46] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:46] <Tm_T> always?
[02:46] <Tm_T> ;)
[02:47] <Tm_T> aye, sir
[02:47] <Tm_T> note to self: prepare to spend time when dist-upgrading
[03:01] <Tm_T> bray with me, booting to breezy(?) ->
[03:01] <Tm_T> pray I mean
[03:01] <Tm_T> anyway :p ->
[03:05] <Tm_T> :p
[03:05] <Tm_T> well well well
[03:06] <Tm_T> X has some issues, it seems
[03:12] <Tm_T> Riddell: I try to do that package in next 8 hours, if I can't, I'll tell it ya
[03:16] <Tonio-> Riddell: steel there ?
[03:17] <Tonio-> http://ns2708.ovh.net/temp/adept_icons.tar.gz
[03:18] <Tonio-> I'll change a few details to increase visibility in the next days, but well, that my sound better than nothing for the moment ;)
[03:32] <Tm_T> hmm, no working X here
[03:49] <Tm_T> font issue, got it
[10:27] <Tm_T> Riddell: sorry but I think I can't do that package, I messed my system :p
[11:48] <Riddell> Tm_T: what's messed?
[11:59] <Tm_T> well, first was xorg&fonts
[12:00] <Tm_T> now, X works, BUT every key n keyboard canges resolution
[12:00] <Tm_T> in X, not in console
[12:00] <Tm_T> :/
[12:07] <Riddell> that's a bit freaky
[12:07] <Tm_T> aye, sir
[12:08] <Tm_T> breezy <3
[12:14] <Tm_T> hmm, some x thingie is taking keyboard?
[12:15] <Tm_T> err, great
[12:15] <Tm_T> gdm doesn't give me option to get back console =)
[12:15] <Tm_T> so fucking great
[12:34] <Tm_T> hmm, strange
[12:34] <Tm_T> ubuntu-live doesn't work either, maybe knoppix :p
[12:35] <Riddell> Tonio-: icons are in
[12:35] <Riddell> thanks very much
[12:59] <Tonio-> Riddell: just rebuilt them
[01:00] <Tonio-> you might find that better...
[01:00] <Tonio-> damn I should have told you to wait....
[01:03] <Tonio-> Riddell: http://ns2708.ovh.net/temp/adept_updater.svg
[01:03] <Tonio-> don't you prefer this ?
[01:05] <Riddell> Tonio-: looks funky
[01:06] <Tonio-> would you prefer this ?
[01:10] <Riddell> Tonio-: it would be best to have a crystal style shine on it
[01:11] <Riddell> so much like what you just pointed me to but with a curve on the shine
[01:12] <Tonio-> okay
[01:12] <Tonio-> problem is I don't how to make that effect ;) I'm not designer ;)
[01:12] <Tonio-> let me check
[01:16] <Riddell> look at the folder SVG icons for example
[01:28] <Tonio-> yep, you would like an crystal svg icon in fact...
[01:29] <Tonio-> and what about the color sheme, do you prefer the actual or the old one ?
[01:29] <Riddell> Tonio-: new colour scheme looks nice
[01:30] <Tonio-> okay, but with crystal svg effect
[01:30] <Tonio-> I'm looking to kmail svg icon, which has about the same color sheme and crystal effect
[01:31] <Riddell> it doesn't have the double curve that the folder icons have
[01:31] <Tm_M> got idea while sitting in bus, keyb in X is misbehaving because some fi-package is f*cked maybe?
[01:33] <Riddell> fi package?
[01:33] <Tm_M> finnish
[01:37] <Tm_M> that's the kb layout I'm supposed to use
[01:38] <Tm_M> have to try that when I get back home
[01:38] <Tm_M> gotta go now
[01:49] <Tonio-> Riddell: can you imagin I'm doing everything with a touchpad ^^ no mouse out there.....
[01:50] <Riddell> Tonio-: yuck
[01:50] <Tonio-> yep lol
[01:50] <Tonio-> I've understand the main effect for crystal
[01:50] <Tonio-> I'm doing it right now
[02:22] <Tonio-> Riddell: http://ns2708.ovh.net/temp/adept_updater.svg -> added the effect you wanted ;)
[02:27] <Riddell> Tonio-: nice, but doesn't have the double curve you can find on the folder icons
[02:27] <Tonio-> double curve ?
[02:28] <Tonio-> you mean ?
[02:29] <Riddell> Tonio-: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/crsc-filesys-folder_cyan.svgz
[02:29] <Riddell> see the curved shine on the front of the folder
[02:30] <Riddell> that's very classicly "crystal"
[02:30] <Tonio-> a kind of shadow is missing you mean ?
[02:31] <Riddell> well the other half of the shine is the shadow
[02:31] <Tonio-> okay I understand.... let's go
[02:31] <Riddell> it might not work of course but that's what I was getting at
[02:32] <Tonio-> well the problem is that this curve is easy to place when you have a kind of "plate" surface, but with a cube.......
[02:32] <Tonio-> I make a test
[02:33] <Tonio-> I can put it on the cd with ease to start
[02:34] <Riddell> Tonio-: kmess got in the archive by the way
[02:34] <Riddell> Tonio-: you should check it compiled then check it downloads and runs
[02:37] <Tonio-> okay ;) thanks for this !
[02:42] <Tonio-> Riddell: tested; it works like a charm ^^
[03:00] <lamont-away> Riddell: the current? ICE report is: kaffeine_0.7-0ubuntu4 kdebindings_4:3.4.2-0ubuntu3 kdeedu_4:3.4.2-0ubuntu4 kdegraphics_4:3.4.2-0ubuntu2 kdenetwork_4:3.4.2-0ubuntu3 kdepim_4:3.4.2-0ubuntu2 kdetoys_4:3.4.2-0ubuntu1 kdeutils_4:3.4.2-0ubuntu1 knetworkconf_0.6.1-3ubuntu6 koffice_1:1.4.1-0ubuntu6 konversation_0.18-1ubuntu3 ksystemlog_0.3.2-0ubuntu1 sanekonsole_0.2-0ubuntu1
[03:00] <lamont-away> although you may have fixed some of those with uploads already....
[03:00] <lamont-away> and that's just main
[03:00] <lamont-away> (hppa of course)
[03:01] <Riddell> lamont-away: ok, it shouldn't be too hard to fix those same as kdelibs and kdebase
[03:01] <lamont-away> right
[03:02] <lamont-away> mind you, I don't think any of them are blocking ubuntu-desktop. :-)
[03:02] <Tonio-> Riddell: http://ns2708.ovh.net/temp/adept_updater.svg -> is this the kind of double curve you would like to see ?
[03:02] <Tonio-> the problem is that a cube a multiple faces, and if I had double curve on each of them, it might be a bit too much I think....
[03:03] <Tonio-> maybe just on the cd ??? what do you think ?
[03:05] <Riddell> Tonio-: that's the one
[03:05] <Riddell> I think on the two large sides of the box
[03:05] <Tonio-> yep but do you want me to add double curve on each face ?
[03:05] <Tonio-> okay on the front, and maybe on the cd ?
[03:05] <Riddell> yeah
[03:05] <Tonio-> three should be enough, and then i would consider my icon is quite correct ;)
[03:05] <Tonio-> let's go !!
[03:13] <Tonio-> Riddell: I can't put the double curve on the main side, because o the update logo, but let me test and show you
[03:14] <Riddell> Tonio-: I don't see why not
[03:14] <Riddell> under it probably
[03:15] <Tonio-> yep but that's not very visible...... I'm testing
[03:18] <Tonio-> Riddell: http://ns2708.ovh.net/temp/adept_updater.svg -> like this or do I invert the way they are positionned ?
[03:19] <Tonio-> we're about the end this time :)
[03:19] <Riddell> Tonio-: I think the one of the left goes the other way around, the light source doesn't change
[03:19] <Tonio-> yep
[03:19] <Tonio-> but on the right it is not supposed to receive light ^^
[03:19] <Tonio-> didn't you check this ?
[03:19] <Riddell> ssh, nobody will know
[03:21] <Tonio-> LOL
[03:33] <Tm_T> damn
[03:33] <Tonio-> Riddell: http://ns2708.ovh.net/temp/adept_updater.svg -> should be the one ;)
[03:35] <Tonio-> Tm_T: how do you find it compared to the one yesterday ?
[03:36] <Tm_T> can't see
[03:36] <Tm_T> no X here ;)
[03:36] <Tonio-> arf
[03:36] <Tm_T> =)
[03:36] <Tonio-> ircing from the shell ?
[03:36] <Tm_T> thi is strange...
[03:37] <Tonio-> well read the xml and gimme your comments ;)
[03:37] <Tonio-> ^^
[03:37] <Tm_T> haha
[03:37] <Tonio-> can you imagine some people are able to do this
[03:37] <Tm_T> Tonio-: ircing from shell is normal to me, but this problem what I have
[03:37] <Tonio-> read an xml file and see the sg in their head
[03:37] <Tm_T> doh
[03:38] <Tonio-> I have seen one yes
[03:38] <Tonio-> in three minutes he could replace the main parts of the svg, not everything of course, and not on a very complex svg, but he could :)
[03:56] <tvo> Riddell: to clarify, am I right in saying: the searchbar does have a "main" google favicon but the searchengine selection menu doesn't have the right icons?
[03:57] <tvo> that's how my working svn copy works right now..
[03:58] <Riddell> tvo: other way around, the search bar lacks the icon but the menu has it
[03:58] <Riddell> if you select the google item in the menu it gets the icon in the search bar
[03:58] <Riddell> try it with a new user, or a live cd
[03:59] <tvo> tried with my kdedev user after erasing all caches, .kde etc.
[04:00] <tvo> hmm, strange can't reproduce that with my SVN copy.. I'll try adding another user then..
[04:01] <Tonio-> tvo, Riddell , your comments to know if I'm building all the PNGs ?
[04:01] <Tonio-> http://ns2708.ovh.net/temp/adept_manager.svgz
[04:01] <Tonio-> http://ns2708.ovh.net/temp/adept_updater.svgz
[04:02] <tvo> ah got it, I guess I need to modify the code to regenerate the menu if favicons are added..
[04:02] <Riddell> Tonio-: looks like a work of perfection to me
[04:02] <Tonio-> lol thanks ;) I must say I prefer that to yesterday's work, with no doubt
[04:03] <tvo> looks good
[04:03] <Tonio-> okay I'm maiking the pngs
[04:04] <Tonio-> AND it is different from kynaptic or synaptic ;) that's what I wanted
[04:18] <tvo> Riddell: does it matter the icons are for the default searchengines are only shown after that page has been visited at least once, 
[04:18] <tvo> or do we want to include copies of the favicons in the package?
[04:18] <Riddell> tvo: I'd say we want to inlude the icons
[04:19] <Riddell> isn't that how it's done at the moment in stock KDE?
[04:19] <tvo> only the google.png is in KDE 3.4.91 svn
[04:20] <Riddell> that should do then
[04:22] <tvo> we need to add favicons for merriam webster, wikipedia and open directory because they're in the menu too by default
[04:24] <tvo> anyway, I'll modify the searchbar to use google.png more often (instead of online favicon)
[04:25] <Tm_T> Riddell: hmm, pretty much xorg updates today in breezy =)
[04:25] <Tm_T> maybe they fixed now my problem
[04:36] <Tonio-> Riddell: http://ns2708.ovh.net/temp/adept_icons.tar.gz -> here it is, you have all icons in png (128, 64, 48, 32, 22, 16) and svg files
[04:36] <Tonio-> touchpad pawa !!! ^_^
[04:39] <Tm_T> :/
[04:42] <Riddell> Tonio-: new icon in, thanks very much
[04:42] <Tm_T> :)
[04:44] <Tonio-> Riddell: thanks
[04:58] <Tonio-> Riddell: sorry for asking this but (because i would like to understand) why asking especially to \sh and not another motu ? Does \sh have a special role in rvu organisation ?
[05:00] <Riddell> Tonio-: anyone will do but \sh_away is more into KDE than other MOTUs
[05:00] <Riddell> Tonio-: but yeah, ask others too
[05:00] <Riddell> although dholbach is always very strict, so watch out for him :)
[05:00] <Tonio-> Riddell: I now have some YES from daniel ;)
[05:01] <Riddell> gosh, where on?
[05:01] <Tonio-> I got so many NO that I now know what he is checking for, especially md5sum etc...
[05:01] <Tonio-> on kmess for example
[05:01] <Tonio-> he told it was alright
[05:02] <Tonio-> Riddell: dh@mailempfang.de    charming, take it away... :)    Yes
[05:02] <Tonio-> that made me proud !!
[05:03] <Tonio-> also got a YES on pwmanager, and he (supposedly) uploaded it
[05:03] <Tonio-> but I haven't been able to see it in the archive
[05:03] <Tonio-> Riddell: how long does it take to get a package in universe while uploaded, max 24 hours no ?
[05:04] <Riddell> Tonio-: NEW can be 48 hours or longer
[05:05] <Riddell> just whenever elmo gets around to looking it over
[05:05] <Tonio-> but three weeks ?
[05:05] <Riddell> hmm, no shouldn't be three weeks
[05:05] <Tonio-> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=316 -> supposed to have been uploaded three weeks ago by daniel
[05:05] <Riddell> Tonio-: poke daniel then, see what he's heard
[05:05] <Tonio-> and not in universe
[05:05] <Tonio-> yp i'll do
[05:06] <Tonio-> I will let you work now, you should have so many things to do ;)*
[05:06] <Tonio-> Riddell: nice day and thanks for all !
[05:06] <Riddell> always welcome
[05:07] <StR> Hi all! 
[05:07] <Tm_T> yu
[05:07] <Riddell> hi StR 
[05:08] <StR> I'm now using Breezy!
[05:08] <Tm_T> me too
[05:08] <StR> with kde 3.5
[05:08] <Tm_T> without X or keyboard
[05:08] <StR> Tm_T: lol...
[05:09] <Tm_T> has something to do the way xorg handling my kb now
[05:11] <StR> Tm_T: you shuoud use   Driver    "kbd" in the InputDevice in xorg.cong
[05:12] <Tm_T> I do
[05:12] <Tm_T> but everytime  press any kay it just changes X resolution
[05:12] <Tm_T> +I
[05:12] <StR> weird..
[05:13] <Tm_T> s/kay/key
[05:13] <Tm_T> no shit =)
[05:14] <StR> have any1 seen the usplash?
[05:15] <kkasina> Hi
[05:15] <StR> hi kkasina 
[05:16] <Riddell> StR: I havn't made the usplash yet, I'm just about to.  artwork is on KubuntuArtwork
[05:16] <kkasina> Hi StR
[05:17] <StR> I cannot believe that we are using PHP5 for breezy...
[05:26] <StR> where did they decide that?
[05:28] <Riddell> StR: any reason not to?
[05:28] <StR> Riddell: there is no pear package
[05:28] <Tm_T> ok, had enough with this for one day ->
[05:33] <StR> Riddell: where can I ask why did they chose to use php5?
[05:33] <Riddell> #ubuntu-devel
[05:35] <verwilst> php5 rocks ;)
[05:36] <verwilst> file a bug for the pear packages not to be there?
[05:36] <StR> wel, it does.. but many apps use pear 
[05:36] <verwilst> phpmyadmin is locked on php4-cgi too
[05:37] <verwilst> but should work fine with php5-cgi
[05:37] <verwilst> so that's a bug too
[05:37] <StR> true
[05:37] <verwilst> or libapache2-mod-php{4,5} don't remember
[05:37] <verwilst> anyways, i'm using breezy in my company now to setup our next-generation shared webhosting platform :d
[05:38] <StR> verwilst: nice...
[05:38] <StR> verwilst: so..you will not be able to use user pear, right?
[05:39] <verwilst> guess not.. didn't think of that yet though :(
[05:39] <StR> I'm using ubuntu to develop webapps with postgres +php ... and a debian server to host them... 
[05:39] <verwilst> i'm now doing the basics, implementing website/account creation and stuffs
[05:39] <verwilst> debian's too old again
[05:39] <verwilst> their kernel doesn't work on any dell server
[05:39] <verwilst> at least not 2.6
[05:39] <StR> and I was tempted to use php5... but we need pear
[05:40] <verwilst> StR: file a bugreport
[05:40] <verwilst> it might enter, you never know
[05:40] <verwilst> brb, home!
[05:40] <StR> verwilst: how do I do that?
[06:02] <StR> that amarok si really buggy in 3.5.... using that xine engine...
[06:03] <StR> I don't understand why it cannot use the arts engine
[06:06] <kkasina> brb
[07:17] <Tm_T> :'(
[07:20] <StR> why r u crying Tm_T ?
[07:30] <Tm_T> StR: my xorg & kb :/
[07:30] <Tm_T> they are allianced against me!
[07:30] <StR> lol....
[07:30] <Tm_T> stil that very same problem
[07:31] <StR> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg   ??
[07:31] <Tm_T> doesn't help
[07:31] <StR> really?
[07:31] <Tm_T> yup
[07:31] <StR> Tm_T: with breezy?
[07:31] <Tm_T> yup
[07:31] <StR> I notice that they changed the packages right now...  apt-get update  and dist-upgrade now?
[07:31] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:32] <Tm_T> maybe I boot it up then
[07:40] <author-psi> hi guys
[07:40] <Tm_T> yu
[07:40] <author-psi> Riddell: Ping
[07:41] <Tm_T> author-psi: sir Riddell ;)
[07:41] <author-psi> okay.. 
[07:41] <Tm_T> =)
[07:41] <author-psi> Master Riddell: Ping 
[07:41] <author-psi> :P
[07:41] <Riddell> author-psi: no titles please
[07:42] <author-psi> ;)
[07:42] <Tm_T> haha
[07:42] <Tm_T> Riddell: blame aseigo
[07:42] <Riddell> I frequently do
[07:42] <author-psi> Riddell: what do you think about http://www.kubuntu.de/forum/forum.php
[07:42] <author-psi> design / concept e.g.
[07:42] <Tm_T> or should I say, mr Seigo
[07:43] <Riddell> author-psi: rocking
[07:43] <author-psi> any suggestions?
[07:44] <Riddell> author-psi: do I get to be an admin?
[07:44] <author-psi> whe will work on it but its not realy finished
[07:44] <author-psi> Riddell: of course
[07:44] <author-psi> plz register ;)
[07:44] <OculusAquilae> author-psi: finished not, but ready to announce :-)
[07:44] <OculusAquilae> or nearly readey
[07:45] <author-psi> yes
[07:45] <author-psi> we hope to announce this day
[07:45] <author-psi> (GMT +001)
[07:45] <author-psi> Riddel you need help to this german registration?
[07:46] <author-psi> (http://www.kubuntu.de/forum/forum.php?req=register)
[07:47] <author-psi> Riddel: now you are an admin
[07:48] <author-psi> nice forum :)
[07:48] <author-psi> veeery fast
[07:48] <author-psi> with jabber connection if a new post there
[07:48] <OculusAquilae> author-psi: its a very fast server :-)
[07:48] <author-psi> OculusAquilae: too :)
[07:49] <Tm_T> StR: no fixes to my problem
[07:49] <Tm_T> somehow X doesn't handle kb properly
[07:50] <Tm_T> now I shutted X, there's "Error from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server"
[07:50] <Tm_T> etc
[07:51] <author-psi> Riddell: and what about antother things.. Design e.g.?
[07:52] <Tm_T> Riddell: sir, your power is messing your head
[07:52] <Tm_T> ;--P
[07:52] <Riddell> author-psi: much nicer than kubuntuforums.net :)
[07:53] <author-psi> Riddel and no kommerical and advertisements :)
[07:54] <Riddell> author-psi: is it on amu's server?
[07:54] <author-psi> Riddell: for next time..
[07:54] <author-psi> yes
[07:55] <author-psi> Riddell: thank you realy much for your statment and now i want not nerves you anymore :)
[07:55] <StR> Tm_T: ls /etc/X11/xkb/ -l | grep compiled
[07:56] <Riddell> author-psi: give me a poke when you want it announced on kubuntu.org
[07:57] <author-psi> Riddell: at this moment we talk over it.. in a few minits i give you the answer
[07:58] <StR> Tm_T: what does that give you?
[07:59] <author-psi> Riddell: ist okay.. announce time :)
[08:05] <\sh> what's on amus server?
[08:05] <author-psi> http://www.kubuntu.de/forum/
[08:05] <\sh> yep...looks better then this kubuntuforums.net
[08:05] <StR> are you from germany?
[08:06] <author-psi> yes
[08:06] <Tm_T> StR: trying it ...
[08:06] <author-psi> \sh you can allredy stay at ubntuusers ;)
[08:06] <\sh> author-psi: i can what?
[08:06] <StR> Tm_T: it shouuld be a link to /var/lib/xkb
[08:07] <author-psi> \sh you are from germany too?
[08:07] <\sh> author-psi: sure...20 mins from amus home ;)
[08:07] <author-psi> \sh
[08:07] <Tm_T> StR: there is
[08:07] <author-psi> \sh but you are in ubuntuusers.de forum?
[08:08] <\sh> author-psi: so? 
[08:08] <Tm_T> StR: I mean it is :p
[08:08] <\sh> does it mean I'm a gnome user?
[08:08] <author-psi> \sh no ;)
[08:08] <StR> Tm_T: ls /etc/X11/xkb/compat
[08:08] <author-psi> \sh i mean you can stay how you feel
[08:08] <allee> author-psi: curious: is there no multi lang software? User profile: x English, x German o Durch ... and one seen/can search both msg in both langs?
[08:08] <author-psi> \sh if you not use kubuntuforums you can stay at ubuntuusers
[08:09] <allee> author-psi: I like the design very much!
[08:09] <Tm_T> StR: yes?
[08:09] <\sh> author-psi: well...actually U only see at least 2 or 3 posts, regarding the logging issue on #ubuntu-de...there is no further action on the forums from my side
[08:09] <StR> Tm_T: do you have some files ther?
[08:09] <\sh> author-psi: I don't use the forums normally
[08:09] <author-psi> \sh sry.. 
[08:09] <Tm_T> enough I think
[08:09] <author-psi> alle: thank you the design was hard work ;)
[08:09] <author-psi> but its works
[08:10] <author-psi> alle: i will see what i can do..
[08:10] <Riddell> author-psi: it's on the front page
[08:11] <author-psi> Riddell: thank you allot
[08:11] <Riddell> author-psi: I'll do a better job of it this evening, and it can go in the release candidate announcement next week
[08:12] <author-psi> :)
[08:14] <StR> Tm_T:  what whas the full  msg before the ""Error from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server"
[08:15] <StR> Tm_T:     do a startx to get the full msg?
[08:16] <allee> OculusAquilae: freenode want's me to register before I can send priv messages
[08:16] <allee> OculusAquilae: Yes I got the mail
[08:16] <OculusAquilae> ok thanks
[08:16] <allee> OculusAquilae: activation failed: Activation failed for administrative reasons. The user is either banned or already activated.
[08:16] <Tm_T> StR: that's what I'm using
[08:16] <allee> OculusAquilae: I can login nevertheless
[08:17] <OculusAquilae> allee: you are activated 
[08:17] <OculusAquilae> allee: should be able to post to
[08:17] <allee> OculusAquilae: why then this mail? ;)
[08:18] <OculusAquilae> allee: maybe one of our admins, who did it manually :-)
[08:18] <allee> heh, the special service early user get ;)
[08:18] <StR> Tm_T: apt-get install  xkeyboard-config
[08:18] <StR> Tm_T: apt-get install  xkbutils
[08:18] <OculusAquilae> :-)
[08:19] <StR> Tm_T: and do a dpkg-reconfigure  both
[08:19] <Tm_T> StR: ok
[08:19] <Tm_T> StR: thanks :)
[08:20] <StR> Tm_T: tell me if it works... yesterday I had the same problem
[08:20] <Tm_T> oh
[08:21] <Tm_T> done, startx
[08:21] <Tm_T> no
[08:21] <Tm_T> doesn't help
[08:21] <Tm_T> and sam errors
[08:21] <Tm_T> same
[08:24] <allee> OculusAquilae: members and search is still green brown instead of blue
[08:24] <OculusAquilae> allee: oh really, thanks :-)
[08:25] <StR> Tm_T: are you shure that xkbutils is installed?
[08:25] <allee> OculusAquilae: you can call me master of nitpicking ;)
[08:25] <OculusAquilae> :-)
[08:28] <StR> Tm_T: setxkbmap -model pc105 -layout us -variant intl   <-- What does that return?
[08:28] <StR> apt-get install --reinstall xkeyboard-config
[08:28] <StR> apt-get install --reinstall xkbutils
[08:28] <StR> Tm_T: try that... and watch closely to what it says...
[08:29] <Tm_T> hmm
[08:32] <Tm_T>  no help
[08:53] <verwilst> who was the guy again who said there was no pear package for ubuntu?
[08:54] <verwilst> there is.. we have php4-pear and php-pear
[08:54] <verwilst> php-pear is 5.0.5 :p
[08:54] <verwilst> stupid naming, but hey