[03:46] <jsgotangco> good morning
[04:53] <jbailey> Heya jsgotangco 
[04:54] <jsgotangco> hi jbailey 
[04:54] <jsgotangco> ooppss
[04:54] <jsgotangco> i owe you something
[04:54] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:54] <jsgotangco> let me do that now
[04:54] <jbailey> Do you know what the sweet thing is?
[04:54] <jbailey> I haven't a clue what it is that you owe me. ;)
[04:55] <jsgotangco> clean up the branch
[04:56] <jbailey> Ah!  Thanks. =)
[04:56] <jbailey> I woke up this morning thinking about that and wondered why I hadn't done it. 
[04:56] <jbailey> Especially when I had ot redo the 30 meg upload. =)
[04:56] <jsgotangco> upload what??
[04:57] <jbailey> ubuntu-artwork
[04:57] <jbailey> My upload at 2am didn't work. =)
[04:58] <jsgotangco> how does the packaging work? does it have a script that automatically registers the doc to yelp?
[05:01] <jbailey> dh_scrollkeeper takes care of that for me.
[05:01] <jbailey> I just have to make sure it knows about the OMF.
[05:02] <jbailey> The OMF contains the URI to the Document.
[05:22] <jsgotangco> jbailey, if i hit anything in branch just let me know :)
[05:26] <jbailey> jsgotangco: =)
[05:29] <ajmitch> hey jeff :)
[05:29] <jbailey> Heya Andrew
[05:29] <jsg_> shitty dsl
[05:31] <jsgotangco> alright its much cleaner now
[05:34] <jsgotangco> jbailey, we'll just merge the changes back to trunk after
[05:34] <jbailey> Yup
[05:34] <jbailey> Nice.  50megs removed from the working tree. =)
[07:12] <Burgundavia> bonsoir robitaille 
[07:14] <robitaille> hello Burgundavia 
[07:21] <MadpilotPPC> hi Burgundavia 
[08:26] <Burgundavia> mdke, it doc.ubuntu.com building out of trunk or breezy branch?
[08:31] <jsgotangco> trunk
[08:31] <Burgundavia> ok
[08:31] <jsgotangco> i just cleaned up breezy branch
[08:31] <Burgundavia> mdke, nev mind
[01:47] <spayne> how can i put in a link on the wiki to another wiki page
[01:47] <spayne> i have tried [Building_iFolder on this page]  which failed
[01:49] <pitti> Hi
[01:49] <spayne> yo pitti
[01:49] <pitti> I'd like to change the current default CD player from totem to sound-juicer
[01:50] <pitti> that is, the app that automatically starts when I insert a CD
[01:50] <spayne> why are you ask in here?
[01:50] <pitti> but since we are in all kinds of freezes, do we need to change any docs about this?
[01:50] <pitti> spayne: if some documentation has a screenshot of gnome-cd or totem, and s-j pops up instead, that would be confusing
[01:50] <spayne> don't ask me, i'm in the process of joining the wiki team
[01:50] <spayne> :)
[01:51] <pitti> jbailey: any idea about that?
[01:51] <jbailey> pitti: I think that no screenshots have been done.  We're only providing three docs:
[01:51] <jbailey> 1) about Ubuntu
[01:51] <jbailey> 2) faqguide
[01:51] <jbailey> 3) ummm
[01:51] <jbailey> quicktour
[01:52] <jbailey> The quicktour doesn't have pictures.
[01:52] <jbailey> The other two can be seen by hopping into help and looking at the two options below the line.
[01:52] <pitti> ok, that means I could change it without breaking too much?
[01:53] <jbailey> I suspect so.
[01:53] <Kinnison> does SJ play by doing DAE ?
[01:53] <Kinnison> some machines can't do DAE in realtime
[01:54] <pitti> Kinnison: I guess so, yes
[01:54] <pitti> Kinnison: totem does, too
[01:54] <Kinnison> oh right, if totem does too, then it's not a regression to rely on DAE
[01:55] <Kinnison> SJ is a nicer CD UI anyway
[01:55] <pitti> Kinnison: e. g. my iBook can't play CD audio directly, they apparently forgot the cable
[01:55] <pitti> ok, I didn't find anything related to this in the docs
[01:55] <pitti> so I'll change it now
[01:55] <Kinnison> pitti: coo, quality apple manufacturing
[02:11] <spayne> jbailey: ping
[02:11] <jbailey> spayne: pong
[02:11] <jjesse> morning folks :)
[02:11] <spayne> jbailey: will you take a glance at my first Wiki document for the Wiki Team
[02:12] <spayne> jbailey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Building_iFolder and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/iFolder
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi jjesse
[02:12] <jbailey> spayne: Only if you tell me what it is. ;)
[02:12] <jjesse> help Kamping_Kaiser 
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:13] <jbailey> spayne: What's this for? =)
[02:13] <jjesse> doh can't type that was supposed to be hello Kamping_Kaiser 
[02:13] <spayne> jbailey: iFolder
[02:13] <spayne> jbailey: read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/iFolder first
[02:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> i asumed so jjesse ;)
[02:13] <jbailey> spayne: Right, but what do you want me to look for.
[02:13] <jbailey> I've read them both now =)
[02:14] <spayne> jbailey: are they alright? are they too complicated?
[02:14] <jjesse> spayne: they look good to me :)
[02:14] <spayne> jbailey: all my docs have been for tech users so i am trying hard
[02:15] <jbailey> spayne: The document requires alot of faith on the part of the user.
[02:15] <spayne> i thought i'd move all my docs for ubuntu from other sources (blog, hula wiki, ifolder wiki, ubuntu forums) onto the Wiki
[02:15] <spayne> jbailey: sigh. i know
[02:15] <jbailey> spayne: Wouldn't it be easier to package it and get it into universe? =)
[02:15] <spayne> jbailey: Mez is making packages
[02:15] <spayne> jbailey: I can't even package a KWin theme, never mind iFolder!
[02:16] <spayne> jbailey: you can (in theory) alien RPMs but it puts weird stuff in /opt and has been known to totally screw up nautilus
[02:16] <jbailey> Dude, if you can work CVS, packaging is the easy part. =)
[02:16] <jbailey> Right.  Alien Considered Harmful
[02:16] <ajmitch> Building_iFolder page suggests some dodgy stuff
[02:16] <ajmitch> like --prefix=/usr
[02:16] <spayne> ajmitch: tell me and will change
[02:17] <jbailey> spayne: The biggest problem with this page is that it's an act of faith.  If they don't follow the instructiosn to the letter, it will break and they will have no idea why.
[02:17] <spayne> ajmitch: where would you put it? in /usr/local, it doesn't pick everything up
[02:17] <jbailey> And also because it's CVS they're working against, they could face random upstream breakage with no explanation.
[02:17] <ajmitch> spayne: yes, in /usr/local, passing other flags to get it to pick things up
[02:17] <ajmitch> spayne: I steer well clear of building from source myself
[02:18] <jbailey> spayne: If it's automake based, packaging should take an experienced person about 2 hours.  If you have a day to heave at it, you could probably get it in. =)
[02:18] <spayne> jbailey: i have been using ifolder for around 2 months and they have been any breakages
[02:18] <ajmitch> well I build, but I just install from packages :)
[02:18] <jbailey> spayne: Past performance is no guarnatee of future results. =)
[02:18] <spayne> jbailey: i can't really start packaging as Mez has told Novell he is doing it
[02:18] <spayne> plus, they can't go into the repos
[02:18] <ajmitch> license issues
[02:18] <spayne> as iFolder depends on a closed-source DB called Flaim
[02:18] <jbailey> Is thih non-free?
[02:19] <spayne> iFolder itself is free
[02:19] <jbailey> Like can't even go into multiverse?
[02:19] <spayne> and by January, the whole thing will be free
[02:19] <spayne> no
[02:19] <spayne> it can only be redistrubted by Novell
[02:19] <jbailey> Suck.
[02:19] <spayne> jbailey: sigh - i know. Mez is goign to make packages which will go into a Novell-supplied APT server
[02:20] <jbailey> The --prefix=/usr is a fairly serious problem.
[02:20] <spayne> jbailey: i can change that :)
[02:20] <jbailey> That it's a problem, or the prefix? ;0
[02:20] <spayne> iirc, no prefix puts it into /usr/local?
[02:20] <ajmitch> jbailey: btw, good morning :)
[02:24] <spayne> ajmitch: i'm trying on my laptop to install to /usr/local and will report back
[02:28] <jbailey> ajmitch: g'night. =)
[02:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> night
[02:32] <jjesse> is it just me or are most of the docteam on the exact opposite time zone as myself?
[02:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> what time zone are you in?
[02:33] <spayne> GMT :-)
[02:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[02:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> -930 (ACST)
[02:53] <jjesse> sorry i'm eastern standard
[02:53] <jjesse> so its 8:53 am here for me 
[03:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. ok
[05:00] <jjesse> where is the current faq guide located in svn? just curious to see what changes need to be made for Kubuntu breezy
[05:29] <jjesse> anyone?
[07:27] <jbailey> jjesse: Did you find it yet?
[07:28] <jjesse> am i looking in trunk/generic or trunk/kde/kfaqguide ?
[07:28] <jjesse> don't know if anyone took a look at breezifying it
[07:30] <jbailey> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/breezy
[07:30] <jbailey> Is where I'm pulling the packages from.
[07:30] <jbailey> I think it's mostly a mirror of the trunk, though.
[07:31] <jbailey> I haven't updated the kubuntu docs yet.  I'm not sure entirely what needs to be done there.
[07:32] <jjesse> for kubuntu docs the ones i'm focusing on (it appears i'm the only one doing kubuntu) are kreleasenotes and kqugickguide
[07:32] <jbailey> 'kay.  If you have stuff, I'd love to get it in and updated.
[07:32] <jbailey> afk for about 25m for lunch.
[07:32] <jjesse> kquickguide is the closest one to being done, have a good lunch
[07:57] <jbailey> back
[08:13] <rangzen> hello
[08:39] <jjesse> hello rangzen 
[09:10] <bhuvaneswaran> REGISTER 0xDec@f
[09:16] <rangzen> is there some people here who use docbook -> po files?
[10:32] <dand> Burgundavia: ping
[10:32] <Burgundavia> dand, pong
[10:33] <mdke> hiya Burgundavia 
[10:33] <dand> hi, i just ran quicktour.pot through msgfmt -c and looks good
[10:33] <Burgundavia> salut mdke 
[10:33] <Burgundavia> cool
[10:33] <dand> Burgundavia: how are the screenshots going?
[10:33] <mdke> how is quicktour?
[10:33] <dand> I'm interested in having localized versions of them 
[10:33] <Burgundavia> going to start shooting tonight
[10:34] <mdke> Burgundavia, can you do me a favour?
[10:34] <mdke> if I give you the link to a couple of tars of translations, will you download em and upload them to the repo?
[10:34] <mdke> i haven't got access here
[10:35] <Burgundavia> mdke, sure, can do
[10:36] <mdke> merci, just waiting for rosetta to organise em
[10:37] <dand> mdke: is quicktour available in rosetta?
[10:37] <Burgundavia> dand, not yet
[10:37] <Burgundavia> dand, I need to upload the pot
[10:37] <Burgundavia> will do so now
[10:37] <dand> ok, good luck with that and with the screenshots :)
[10:39] <Burgundavia> mdke, how do I upload into Rosetta?
[10:39] <mdke> heh
[10:39] <mdke> i thought you were gonna ask
[10:39] <mdke> i think we need to create a new template
[10:40] <Burgundavia> I click about a dozen links and got totally lost
[10:40] <mdke> i don't think we have the right to create a new template, so I'm gonna say the answer is to bug jordi/carlos
[10:42] <mdke> yeah i think it might be tricky, we need the template in two places
[10:42] <mdke> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/ubuntu-docs/+translations
[10:42] <mdke> and https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-doc
[10:43] <mdke> best email jordi
[10:43] <mdke> ok Burgundavia here are the things I need you to help me with
[10:43] <mdke> http://librarian.launchpad.net/479212/479245/rosetta-aboutubuntu.tar.gz needs to go in branches/breezy/gnome/aboutubuntu/
[10:44] <mdke> http://librarian.launchpad.net/479223/479256/rosetta-faqguide.tar.gz needs to go in branches/breezy/generic/faqguide/
[10:45] <mdke> ouch
[10:46] <mdke> it shouldn't be so big because jerome has cut it down recently
[10:47] <mdke> svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/breezy/ breezy-branch
[10:47] <Burgundavia> yep, pulling that down now
[10:47] <mdke> upload the quicktour while you are at it, so jbailey can include it in his package
[10:47] <mdke> if that is the plan
[10:47] <Burgundavia> sure
[10:48] <mdke> gtg now
[10:48] <mdke> thanks for your help
[10:48] <Burgundavia> np
[10:53] <Burgundavia> mdke, done
[11:04] <dand> Burgundavia: I generated an html from the pot, and I can see a couple of problems: http://lisa.codemonkey.ro/~dand/quicktour/quicktour.test.html
[11:05] <dand> Ubu-? instead of Ubu-what?
[11:06] <dand> "s just got faster" instead of "PDFs just got faster"
[11:06] <dand> I used: xml2po -p quicktour.pot quicktour.html > quicktour.test.html
[11:09] <Burgundavia> hmm
[11:09] <Burgundavia> I am really not an expert on pots
[11:09] <dand> well, the pot is sintactically correct... I wish I knew more about xml2po 
[11:10] <dand> I'm gonna look into it, see what I can find out...
[11:16] <Burgundavia> dand, I am going to upload the pot I have. When we fix the issue, we can reupload the fixed one
[11:17] <dand> ok, it seems that <em> and <abbr> tags are not handled correctly
[11:17] <Burgundavia> ah
[11:17] <dand> however I don't seem to have xhtml extension available
[11:17] <Burgundavia> likely a bug in xml2po
[11:17] <dand> I have xml2po 0.2.0
[11:18] <Burgundavia> you using breezy or hoary?
[11:18] <dand> hoary
[11:18] <dand> i'm gonna try update xml2po then
[11:19] <Burgundavia> grab gnome-doc-utils out of breezy
[11:19] <dand> I will, thanks
[11:35] <dand> Burgundavia: upgraded to breezy version, but I can't find the xhtml module... it should be at /usr/share/xml2po/xhtml.py
[11:36] <dand> does "  dpkg -L gnome-doc-utils|grep xhtml  " return anything for you?
[11:36] <Burgundavia> no
[11:36] <Burgundavia> sorry, I have to leave in 5 to be at work on time
[11:37] <dand> ok, thanks