[12:03] i think its documented in the wiki [12:03] Travis Newman, too. [12:03] <\sh> sabdfl: that's easy to implement in php [12:03] jdodson: sorry.. [12:03] somewhere [12:03] ubuntugeek: i am a software engineer by trade. === dand also offers to help [12:03] sabdfl: does that include ubuntu-se.org? :-) [12:03] ubuntugeek: ah, right, that whole, you dont like me thing...:) [12:03] cool. jdodson, if you and \sh and spiv could work on it in #launchpad, we can have this done in a week or two, max [12:03] sabdfl: ok so back on topic, we know we need to integrate.. [12:03] ok. some questions [12:04] ubuntugeek, don't let personal feelings interfere with being a moderator... [12:04] or administrator [12:04] "split personality that is looking familiar" what's that all about? [12:04] <\sh> sabdfl: as the specs are on LP wiki no problem...(again something on my TODO *sigh*) [12:04] ubuntgeek: personal feelings and harsh emotions are why we are here in the first place, right? [12:04] jdodson: seems best not to rub people's faces in disagreements ... they get resolved quicker if you don't bring them up all the time, IME :) === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-22-183.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:04] although I know we're here to deal with this one [12:04] kamion: agreed.. [12:04] Kamion: ah right, good point. [12:04] sorry. [12:05] i wasnt expecting christmas presents anyway.... [12:05] anybody know what that comment was referring to? [12:05] sabdfl: sorry, where's that from? [12:05] jdodson: sometimes people do need to be reminded that this is supposed not to be kindergarten... "I don't want to play with you any more. Ever!" [12:06] smurf: fair enough. [12:06] http://apqi.com/ubuntu/ubuntuforums/ustoo1.html #12 [12:06] Kamion: ^ [12:06] ah, that, yes [12:06] is KiwiNZ here? [12:07] <\sh> jdodson: please ping me tomorrow somehow (what TZ are u from?) and have a look on this: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/AuthServer , thx [12:07] sabdfl: I wasnt part of that conversation on the forum so I am not sure as to what this means.. I dont this he is.. [12:07] guys, in a loose and volunteer team, there's always disagreements, and always churn [12:07] \sh: no problem. [12:07] people come in, have fun, get tired, and leave [12:07] \sh: PST [12:07] and the main thing is to try and focus on the things that you enjoy together [12:08] I think kiwi was worried that Ubuntu was becoming "corporate" [12:08] <\sh> jdodson: k..ping me whenever you're online or mail me at sh@sourcecode.de [12:08] arzajac: well, i hope that corporates like ubuntu, because they will help make it sustainable. but we will also push back hard enough to keep it free, and open [12:08] at least, thats the plan [12:09] one thing that concerns me is this [12:09] the moderators / admins in the forums are kind of critical to the ubuntu community [12:09] arzajac: (sabdfl posted an interesting "sabdfl faq" on sounder@ recently about that) [12:09] sabdfl: ah yes, that thread was written around the time the admins were starting to dislike ubuntu proper(thats you) and getting pretty bitter about what you were doing, etc. [12:09] You would have to talk to him about it. I agree with you. [12:09] but there were obviously a lot of outstanding questions among them that were not raise in the CC, or ubuntu-dev [12:10] They should simply have asked instead of guessed [12:10] sabdfl: the admins are mostly reactive and not terrible proactive in the area of confrontation. [12:10] i don't doubt that i can get up people's noses [12:10] They followed Ryan [12:10] but what concerns me is that these doubts and concerns were not aired here, with me and the cc and the core devs, sooner [12:10] why were they there in the first place, if they dislike the ubuntu community? I thought the community was an essential part here...? [12:10] Simira++ [12:10] if we want to have the forums team feel part of THIS team, then we need to have better comms [12:10] No one really knoew what the relationship between Ubuntu proper and the forums was, back then. [12:11] Simira: it's somewhat natural [12:11] there seemed to be a fair bit of guesswork going on on all sides [12:11] sabdfl: i totally agree with you. [12:11] as the community gets bigger, you can get micro-communities forming [12:11] and diverging === jdong [n=jdong@d149-67-171-99.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:11] kamion: there is guess work.. its all speculation. [12:11] that guesswork turned into strongly help opinions without any real attempt to get clarity [12:11] <\sh> moon, money, jealous [12:12] sabdfl: agreed.. [12:12] ubuntugeek: some speculation, though, can be turned into fact by asking :) [12:12] I would consider the admins/mods to be a part of the community, whether they like it or not... [12:12] so i guess the one thing i would say is that ubuntugeek, Seveas, kassetra and others should feel free to participate in the CC meetings [12:12] that way we are likely to have fewer miscommunications [12:12] sabdfl, i'm no forum member [12:12] I dont think I personall every considered myself not part of the community or i would have not poored the last 11 months of my life into the forums. [12:12] I really dislike them [12:12] <\sh> Seveas: now u are ;) [12:12] (forums in general I mean) [12:12] Seveas: I thought you described yourself earlier as an "impartial moderator"? [12:12] and when we disagree, at least we will know we are really disagreeing, not just getting suspicious that we SHOULD be disagreeing [12:13] Kamion, I was a bit unclear there [12:13] Seveas: oh, sorry, you were quoting somebody else [12:13] Kamion: I think he was quoting [12:13] I've been talking to one for over an hour about this :) [12:13] in fact, close to 2 hours [12:14] join #motu [12:14] sabdfl: true [12:14] mybad [12:14] ubuntugeek: are you open to inviting some of the "fired" moderators back into the fold, to see if this is reparable? [12:15] is my bandwidth gone again? [12:15] no [12:15] ... [12:15] sabdfl: typing sec [12:16] for the record: both other toopics on the agenda have been handled already, this is the last topic for today [12:16] ubuntugeek, i fear my client will cut of anything else you try to get one this one line :-) [12:17] Seveas: Would you like to defer my membership application untill the next meeting? [12:17] sabdfl: I dont think bring them back as moderators will solve any issues, I encourage them to be part of forums community though.. [12:17] arzajac: sec [12:17] arzajac, ehrm, right, forgot that [12:17] ubuntugeek: so thats a no then? [12:17] Seveas: It is fine.... I really got to run... Wife is mad... Supper not on table... [12:17] ubuntugeek, why do you think that? [12:17] arzajac: later azz! [12:17] hm, well... bed time here. Be nice, people. [12:18] arzajac: hold on a sec, i would +1 you for membership [12:18] seaves [12:18] on the basis of a long and sustained contribution [12:18] clear commitment, even if there have been disagreements along the way [12:18] membership is open to everybody who contributes and participates [12:18] sabdfl, I think it's ok to do that in his absence, has happened before [12:19] ok [12:19] seveas: Because, I will not subject myself or the other moderators to this situation again. === arzajac picks up screaming toddler and says goodby and thanks! [12:20] <\sh> sabdfl: should your idea of a forum council apply to all forums, doing official support for ubuntu? [12:20] ubuntugeek, no disrespect, but you are both victim and cause of this, just like all others in this discussion [12:20] ubuntugeek: I don't think you can prevent that by excluding them, nor do I think the reverse is likely to be true [12:20] I see no right or wrong here, just a (big) disagreement on things [12:20] \sh: i think any large community should have internal structures, that involve discussion and a chance to be heard fairly and openly [12:20] sveas: I would disagree with that statement.. [12:20] and then be able to refer issues to the CC if they can't reach agreement [12:21] i think the "founder" or leader of a forum/community/group should have an extra say, but not a total say [12:21] ubuntugeek, then please make all archived posts visible to us, so we can get a better view [12:21] <\sh> sabdfl: so, actually it would be better to handle some "problems" internally with a fair result? [12:21] the limited view both parties here give us really prevents a clear insight into the problem [12:22] ubuntugeek: i think its fair criticism that you've sometimes tended to act in a way that ratchets up the tension, rather than creating space for disagreement [12:22] please take that as constructive criticism [12:22] running a group like this is extremely hard [12:22] sabdfl: thats fine.. I do work 60 hours a week [12:22] the guys who've had to put up with me for weeks at a stretch in sprints in foreign climes will tell you i can get a bit testy myself === bddebian [n=bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:23] who doesn't get testy at times :) [12:23] i do think its worth being able to tolerate people and opinions that are irritating and frustrating sometimes [12:23] even if it bites [12:23] because often those same people make huge contributions elsewhere [12:24] in ubuntufr we have a mailing list for forum moderators and it works fine [12:24] it seems like all the guys who have been moderators and admins at one time or another, made HUGE contributions of time and energy [12:24] So, I have no problem with a forum dispute team that will handle forum complaints. I think any complaints should be brought up to the CC regardless if they were resolved or not resolve by the dispute team. [12:24] ubuntugeek: that could be unmanageable [12:24] To be fair, sometimes people just plain don't get along with each other, but I don't think that's the core problem here, based on what I've read. [12:24] and if the forum dispute team has good credibility, people will respect its decisions [12:24] that's your challenge [12:24] sabdfl: ok agreed.. [12:25] ubuntugeek, a forum dispute team where people are explicitely denied access based on this dispute is doomed to fail imho [12:25] it seems the major disagreements here were: [12:25] Seveas: +1 [12:25] <\sh> guys, I would propose u a nice article of Matt Dillon, Maintainer and founder of the DragonFly BSD port. http://solobsd.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=252 [12:25] I would like to however state, if the old moderators would like to join a team on the forums they can. Teams are being setup to tackle certain areas of the forums, for example hardware, software, kde, gnome etc.. [12:25] (1) deleting posts that were deemed too controversial [12:26] <\sh> read about "teamleading, project leading" quite nice and very true [12:26] Seveas: who said the people would not have access? [12:26] => CoC and general Ubuntu policy would suggest that these should be re-published [12:26] (2) suspicions and different viewpoints on the role of canonical and the management of ubuntu [12:26] ubuntugeek, those teams looks like a nice plan [12:26] ubuntugeek: if that were treated as a way to rebuild trust, that could be good [12:26] kamion: agreed [12:27] (if both sides have the will) [12:27] => those should be brought to the CC or ubuntu-devel, at least so that opinions can be based on real statements rather than suspicions [12:27] +2 on sabdfls points [12:28] (3) failure of the CoC to give clear guidelines on forums type issues [12:28] => we can ask this Forums Council to draft a document that addresses this [12:28] that's all i can see [12:28] night all, gotta hit bed [12:28] <\sh> cu around sivang [12:29] sabdfl, firing moderators based on personal disagreements is also highly controversial [12:29] ubuntugeek: it's your call, but i would strongly urge you to invite these guys back into a forums council [12:29] sabdfl: note taken [12:29] and see if you can find a way to work through things [12:29] ubuntgeek: so does that mean no then Ryan? [12:29] if you can, you will create a very vibrant and widely trusted community council [12:29] jdodson: let him think about it [12:30] sabdfl: fair enough. [12:30] sabdfl: I need to think this over.. This has been my passion for the last 11 months and I am not sure I am willing to repeat this. [12:30] jdodson: and recognise that perhaps you could make it easier to be forgiven ;-) [12:30] Both "sides" need to do some soul searching here... take your time. [12:30] sabdfl: right. [12:30] ubuntugeek: ok. will you agree to some sort of structure? [12:31] need to say (a) who starts on it, (b) how long they serve, (c) how to get new people onto it [12:31] i dont think you should get to fire people once they are on for a term [12:31] sabdfl: yes, I think we need to create a dispute team. I will write up the policy etc next week.. === adrianoc [n=adrianoc@c91187fe.bhz.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:31] draft it, bring it here. and you'll get a definite GO if you can get consensus amongst your former colleagues too [12:32] ok [12:32] sabdfl: I will not have time this week, as I am traveling to seattle for a death in the family. But next week we will begin this process. [12:32] that's enough for tonight, i think [12:32] ubuntugeek: that's fine [12:32] STOP [12:32] ubuntugeek, will you be able to bring it to the next CC? [12:32] sabdfl, one more thing [12:32] since we got the forum admins here [12:32] and i want to say again that we all owe a huge debt of gratitude for ubuntugeek's effort [12:32] seveas: when is the next meeting date? [12:32] arzajac's membership [12:32] yes i agree, ubuntgeek is to be commended on his efforts. [12:32] ubuntugeek, 2 weeks from now, probably 14:00 UTC [12:32] +1 from me [12:33] seveas: yes it will be done [12:33] ubuntugeek: ++ [12:33] elmo, Kamion, would you mind giving your vote in his absence? === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-22-183.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] [12:33] ubuntugeek, please fix the gateway to the mailinglist first ;) [12:33] he's put a huge amount of time into the forums, with varying levels of success :-) [12:33] seveas: whats it doing? [12:34] I would also like to thank jdong and kassetra and the other moderators for their commitment to the forums as well. [12:34] ubuntugeek, no spam filtering and it gives everyone the name 'Forum Post' [12:34] another thing.... [12:34] sevas: Yes, spam filtering in the next week.. I got the OK from jeff waugh on the forum post issue until it can be recoded.. [12:34] ubuntugeek, afaik the initial planned setup for the ubuntu-devel mailing list was a read only portal, could you make that happen soon please [12:34] ubuntugeek, if you can mail be the scripts responsible for incoming and outgoing mail, i'd be happy to provide patches [12:34] Seveas: 14 UTC is fine by me, but that's very early for mako [12:35] our student friends don;t rise and shine before nine... [12:35] not true [12:35] many devs arent even reading -devel anymore due to the high signal to noise ration.... [12:35] make that noon :) [12:35] lol sabdfl [12:36] ogra: be fair - -devel has S/N problems with or without forum posts [12:36] *ratio [12:36] elmo, they add it up [12:36] Ok folks we done for the night? The dispute team policy will be available online for the next CC meeting.. [12:36] ogra: I don't think that's caused by the forums [12:36] ubuntugeek, nice [12:36] ubuntugeek: could you turn off the -devel list <=> forums altogether for the moment? [12:36] jdong, i'd say 50% are [12:36] elmo, Kamion, no vote about arzajac? [12:36] sabdfl: yes I can turn it off.. [12:37] need to guard -devel jealously [12:37] jdong, ubuntugeek, and it was the agreed default setup afaik [12:37] ah, thanks sabdfl ... [12:37] Seveas: I think I'd rather he came back and we can have the opportunity to check that he's still feeling ok about the community [12:37] lagging [12:37] sabdfl: i'll unsubscribe from the mailing list and make the forum read only for the time being [12:37] I don't object to his membership, just would like to talk to him outside the context of a dispute [12:37] ubuntugeek, thans a lot :) [12:37] Kamion: i think he's fine with the community, just a bit mad with how things worked out between the forums admins [12:37] and recoverably so [12:37] ubuntugeek: better to hide it altoegether to avoid confusion [12:38] he's done a lot [12:38] jdong: good point [12:38] and membership would recognise that [12:38] arzajac is still active on the forums [12:38] [12:38] sabdfl: hmm [12:38] and won't let this dispute interfere with that === matthew [n=matthew_@ip70-176-180-97.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:38] seveas: absolutely; great guy to have around :) [12:38] ok, yeah, I can see that; I'll let you argue me round :) [12:38] arzajac++ [12:38] I would like to mention one thing azz is still very active on the forums and i commend him for his dedicated to helping on there. [12:38] ubuntugeek: that's good to know, thanks [12:38] ok, 2 down :) [12:39] absolutely; Azz still does great work for us [12:39] yeah, ack I guess === adrianoc [n=adrianoc@c91187fe.bhz.virtua.com.br] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Fui] [12:39] ok. seveas will you pass that on please? [12:39] arzajac: congratulations, and welcome aboard [12:39] arzajac, congratz, hope you read it in your logs :) [12:39] I'll edit the wiki again [12:39] ubuntugeek: (I certainly don't have a problem with a read-only forum - it's entirely up to you how/if that's presented IMHO) [12:39] er, you => you guys [12:39] /msg arzajac congratulations :D [12:39] kamion: I'll remove it for now.. [12:39] hehe [12:40] kamion: it will be in a few hours though.. [12:40] approved arzajac in LP [12:40] ok [12:40] thanks all [12:40] it's been a long one [12:40] thanks everyone for resolving this is a clean matter [12:40] thanks sabdfl [12:40] Seveas: thanks [12:40] thank you [12:40] and for the record, I approved the folks Seveas mentioned in the agenda in LP just before the meeting started [12:40] hey one last thing [12:40] :) [12:40] and they have email already [12:41] jdong, kassetra and myself have all been approved members but are not listed.. [12:41] if there's anyone else, please /msg and/or mail me about them and I'll check IRC logs and such to verify, then approve [12:41] <\sh> that reminds me to put my @ubuntu.com mail address to my gpg key [12:41] Kamion, I've mailed everyone on that list :) === bddebian still doesn't have @ubuntu.com e-mail [12:41] ubuntugeek: have you applied to join the team in launchpad? https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers [12:41] \sh: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=374236 may please you :) [12:41] bddebian, if you're a member you have [12:41] \sh, and sign your packages with it ;) [12:41] it's your launchpad name [12:41] Seveas: I don't either :-/ [12:41] Seveas: It doesn't work [12:41] ubuntugeek: that needs to happen or we can't approve you [12:41] kamion: not there no.. i'll do so [12:41] ubuntugeek: ok, thanks [12:42] Seveas: I can check for each one without needing to ask them, although it takes a little time because we've got behind [12:42] good night everybody [12:42] <\sh> jdong: ah ;) well... and this is "sorry jdong" for you :) http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/109-Shout-it,-shout-it,-shout-it-out-loud....html [12:42] ubuntugeek: are you NOT A MEMBER? [12:42] sabdfl: I was voted in a few months ago but nothing ever happened with it [12:42] <\sh> ogra: nope...sh@sourcecode.de i am and will ever sign ;) === dholbach [i=foobar@i577B172C.versanet.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] [12:42] ubuntugeek: ok. now we have those bits of LP :-) [12:42] ubuntugeek, have you sent your signed CoC ? [12:43] back then that is [12:43] you need to join the ubuntumembers team there, and then do the CoC signing dance [12:43] Kamion, the rest of them (except for one of whom i'm not sure) are not members [12:43] I;ll poke him before the next meeting [12:43] sabdl: ok will do that there [12:43] same with jdong and kassetra [12:43] cool. all of you guys should be members [12:44] as should any forums guys that are regularly helpful with answers and suggestions [12:44] <\sh> last cigarette for today [12:44] any substantial and sustained contribution... [12:44] great i will pass this along.. [12:44] thanks again everyone see you at the next meeting, off to fight traffic [12:44] \sh: s/day/life/ [12:44] :-) [12:44] please encourage forums guys who are good contributors to come here and become members, they get @ubuntu.com email addresses [12:44] ubuntugeek, more forums people should attend these meetings and/or become members :) [12:44] <\sh> Nafallo: grrrr ;) [12:45] sabdfl: idn about the others; I was never sent a CoC to sign [12:45] night all [12:45] jdong: check out your home page in launchpad [12:45] jdong, it's done on the launchpaf === bddebian chuckles [12:45] pad* [12:45] its all there [12:45] anyways.. great meeting. gotta head to the drug store, bbl :D [12:45] it's not very discoverable [12:45] Nafallo, bah... you need one real addicion in your life to have to overcome something :) [12:45] like a little test :-) [12:45] ogra: computers? :-) [12:45] hehe [12:45] Seveas: ok, thanks a lot for chasing that stuff up [12:46] night ubuntugeek [12:46] so i had to go to bad, it's late ^^ (00:46 am here) [12:46] great meeting :) going to bed now. Night everybody! [12:46] 'nigh [12:46] t [12:46] 00:46 here too, meh, and I have a lunch appointment with Treenaks tomorrow [12:46] g'night to all on the other side of the world! =) [12:46] heh [12:47] greet meeting wish you all a good day/night [12:47] sabdfl: the things that make me feel retarded :D [12:47] in the view of sabdfls remark about students I'm gonna get little sleep :) [12:47] bye ;-) [12:47] 'tis sunrise here in my end =) [12:47] super_genius_jdong. === sturmkind [n=sturmkin@84.235.213.54] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Verlassend"] [12:47] SEC [12:47] sorry [12:47] damn. Kamion? [12:47] here [12:47] i'd like to nominate mjg59 for a place on the tech board [12:48] also, am considering further nominations for tech board and community council [12:48] suggestions welcome [12:48] <\sh> wow [12:48] <\sh> mjg59 is a good decision [12:48] Aye [12:48] I'd heartily second mjg59, if he's willing [12:48] Ubuntite! Not yet [12:48] indeed [12:48] we now have a basic voting mechanism in launchpad [12:48] I'll ruminate on others who might be a good idea [12:48] so this should be easy to arrange [12:48] so where's this magical statement? [12:49] jdong, you need to upload your key and sign the CoC [12:49] sabdfl: is it all devels or the core-devs that should vote? :-) [12:49] we need to set a date for the vote, and need to announce it on the -devel list [12:49] Nafallo: all devels [12:49] my wife's waiting for me decreasingly patiently, though :) [12:49] heh [12:49] nice. === bddebian knows that feeling :-) === ogra sent his away to her mother to have time for xscreensaver hacking :) === matthew [n=matthew_@ip70-176-180-97.ph.ph.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] [12:49] what's the techboard term of office again? [12:50] ogra: lol [12:50] Nafallo, its the truth ! (despite that we're not married) [12:50] ogra: thx; got it [12:50] :) [12:51] ah, two years for CC with annual nominations, one year for TB with six-monthly nominations, ok [12:51] <\sh> ogra: u r alone now? [12:51] yup [12:51] for a week [12:52] <\sh> ogra: and fred had his walk today? [12:52] <\sh> ,-) [12:52] ogra: don't you have a kitchen you could have put her in? ;-) [12:53] \sh, nope, i'll do it now... [12:53] Kamion: maybe we should make the TB the same terms as the CC? [12:53] Nafallo, i have but it bores her, she's a webdesigner ;) === mdz [n=mdz@ca-studio-bsr1o-251.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:53] <\sh> ogra: be carefull of the "kuhdung" ,-) [12:53] heh [12:53] hehe [12:53] sabdfl: how long would devs have for voting for TB? [12:54] y'all be safe === nalioth [n=Apple@pdpc/supporter/bronze/nalioth] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [12:54] ajmitch: we'll open up the voting soon, with a deadline, in total not more than a week from start to finish i imagine [12:54] maybe two weeks, so two TB meetings [12:54] to give him a chance to answer any questions [12:54] right === dand waves [12:55] <\sh> ok...I need to go to bed.. [12:55] ok, night all [12:55] thanks Kamion, elmo, et al [12:55] night sabdfl [12:55] <\sh> thx sabdfl [12:55] 'night [12:56] <\sh> and the others of course :) === elmo [n=james@83-216-156-21.jamest747.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["..."] [12:56] I'll make one attempt to fix the buggy bugbot and go to sleep too :) === sabdfl [n=mark@pdpc/supporter/silver/sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [12:56] sabdfl: I think they're OK to be honest, but maybe we can talk about it later [12:56] damn, missed him === Keybuk [n=scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] [12:57] I guess that's a wrap then [12:57] <\sh> g'night folks...whereever you are, whatever you do ;) [12:57] g'morning! =) === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax8-217.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === tristanmike [n=tristan@blk-224-251-101.eastlink.ca] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === Nafallo [i=nafallo@unaffiliated/nafallo] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Read] === Kamion [n=cjwatson@83-216-156-196.colinw664.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === zakame [n=zakame@210.213.80.213] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === bddebian [n=bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] [01:05] anyone still left in here? [01:05] I'm ubuntite now, but what about that @ubuntu.com address? [01:05] jdong: you need to join the Ubuntu Members group in LP [01:05] aha [01:07] not seeing how to join? [01:07] jdong: see here https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers [01:07] add /+join to that url [01:08] at the bottom there is somewhere a corresponding link [01:08] oh, cool [01:08] how do I navigate that through menus from launchpad.net [01:08] out of curiousity [01:09] nvm, figured it out [01:10] ok, waiting for approval; time to call it a day and do something else :) [01:11] jdong, come to the next CC meeting [01:11] and poke kamion [01:11] Seveas:? I've already been approved [01:11] Seveas: at least voting wise [01:12] Seveas: it was before those launchpad days [01:12] I know [01:12] jdong: yes, but technically some admin of that LP group has to approve you [01:12] but je jas to click on a button to approve you on LP [01:12] he has [01:12] jdong: So you need to catch one of these admin to klick the right button ;) [01:12] aha, I see [01:12] I understand now [01:12] I'm slow today, sorry :) === siretart tired. gn8 folks [01:12] good thing I haven't compiled any backports today [01:13] jdong, are you interested in updated NX packages? [01:13] the ones in your repo are quite old (obsolete even) [01:14] I've made the latest available on http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/ [01:14] (breezy only) === gtaylor [n=Greg@130.127.137.239] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === gtaylor [n=Greg@130.127.137.239] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [01:54] anyone log this? Sorry, loooong day at work [01:55] yes, ubuntulog logs it all [01:56] people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione [01:57] right! [01:57]