[12:02] <ajmitch> :P
[12:02] <ajmitch> dholbach: apart from bugs & feature requests, what else can be put on there?
[12:03] <dholbach> everything that people want to make happen on the Desktop
[12:03] <dholbach> we'll closely work with the artWork team
[12:03] <dholbach> get fresh stuff in, discuss changes
[12:03] <ajmitch> and the MOTU team? ;)
[12:04] <dholbach> yes, and the MOTU team :)
[12:04] <ajmitch> how much of this will be targetted at getting stuff into main?
[12:04] <dholbach> we'll see :)
[12:08] <bddebian> @!#%@#$^%$^ boson.  Newer upstream version requires automake 1.5... Grrrr
[12:08] <zakame> 1.5?!?
[12:09] <\sh> grmpfmpfl...php...authserver...launchpad....ubuntuforums...grmpfnadad
[12:09] <zakame> taking a look...
[12:09] <bddebian> Heya \sh
[12:09] <bddebian> zakame: We only have 0.9.1 in the archive but the code sucks :-)
[12:09] <Nafallo> \sh: :-)
[12:10] <zakame> 0.9.1 on all three releases...
[12:10] <bddebian> In Debian?
[12:10] <bddebian> I was trying to build 0.10 and/or 0.11 from sourceforge ;-)
[12:11] <zakame> in ubuntu: http://packages.ubuntu.com/boson-base
[12:11] <bddebian> Oh aye
[12:11] <bddebian> It FTBFSs though
[12:11] <dholbach> who is emmet hikory?
[12:11] <zakame> gaah!
[12:12] <bddebian> dholbach: persia
[12:12] <dholbach> ah super, thank you
[12:13] <zakame> eh? according to http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/source/boson-base, it build-depends on automake1.6... but as I take it, i should be 1.5?
[12:13] <bddebian> Do we have 1.6?
[12:14] <dholbach> we do
[12:14] <\sh> zakame: there is more
[12:15] <siretart> hi folks
[12:15] <\sh> zakame: boson-base doesn't build (actual) because it's missing important kde includes, which are not there anymore, cause old, and the new one...oh boy, they're including now the old kde stuff but it doesn't work with g++4
[12:15] <bddebian> Heya siretart
[12:15] <zakame> hello
[12:15] <siretart> hi bddebian
[12:15] <dholbach> hi siretart
[12:15] <siretart> huhu dholbach!
[12:15] <dholbach> siretart: DESKTOP TEAM DAY! :)
[12:15] <siretart> dholbach: all timezones, right? ;)
[12:15] <zakame> \sh: waah!
[12:15] <dholbach> YEAH
[12:16] <\sh> zakame: forget boson-base or kick upstreams a**
[12:16] <ajmitch> siretart: yes, so it started > 10 hours ago
[12:16] <bddebian> Hehe
[12:16] <siretart> oh
[12:16] <\sh> zakame: most for the worldforge code is crap and broken
[12:16] <bddebian> Hey, we have to fix it or drop it ;-P
[12:16] <siretart> sad, but true :(
[12:16] <siretart> let's better drop it
[12:16] <bddebian> 10 bucks says elmo won't ;-)
[12:16] <siretart> if in doubt, we can backport it when possible
[12:17] <bddebian> Well upstream does have 2 newer releases than Debian :-)
[12:17] <\sh> bddebian: then drop it
[12:17] <\sh> bddebian: try it..do it again...I checked at least one newer release...
[12:17] <spayne> dholbach: the desktop team looks great
[12:18] <dholbach> spayne: hope you'll join the party :)
[12:18] <spayne> if i can stay awake
[12:18] <dholbach> don't worry, we kick it off "today" but we hope to stay around longer ;)
[12:19] <bddebian> Oh shit, I missed CC meeting didn't I? :-(
[12:19] <ajmitch> yes, you missed CC
[12:19] <\sh> bddebian: it still continuing
[12:19] <ajmitch> just about finished
[12:19] <ajmitch> if you care about dispute resolution ;)
[12:20] <zakame> I gather that dispute's about the forums?
[12:21] <bddebian> zakame: OK, how about gnat-gps? :-)
[12:21] <siretart> what was the forums dispute? (please only the short version)
[12:22] <zakame> bddebian: checking
[12:22] <\sh> join -meeting it's on ;)
[12:22] <Nafallo> still on... ;-)
[12:23] <zakame> hmm, I think the gnats-gps package name is somewhat misleading... I first thought it was some GPS tracking tech...
[12:23] <bddebian> Heh, no it's ada compiler stuff ;-)
[12:23] <zakame> *gnat-gps pala...
[12:24] <zakame> i see...
[12:26] <ajmitch> bddebian: why do you care about ghc-cvs?
[12:27] <bddebian> ajmitch: Because it's on both GL/GLU Transition and UnmetDep pages
[12:27] <ajmitch> does anything actually use it?
[12:28] <bddebian> Does anyone use half of this shit? :-)
[12:28] <ajmitch> considering that we have a newer ghc6 (iirc)
[12:28] <zakame> wouldn't it be better if gnat-gps be renamed to gnat-system? or even gnatsystem?
[12:28] <ajmitch> bddebian: ~2 weeks to release, do you want to waste time on broken junk that noone cares about? :)
[12:28] <siretart> I agree with ajmitch that we should better drop ghc-cvs for breezy
[12:29] <ajmitch> bddebian: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?popcon=ghc-cvs
[12:29] <siretart> we can reevaluate for dapper if necessary
[12:29] <bddebian> Well can someone get someone to drop this stuff then?
[12:29] <ajmitch> see how many people love it in debian
[12:29] <ajmitch> of the 4 people listed in popcon for it, all are in the 'old' column :)
[12:30] <bddebian> How do you check a specific package on popcon?
[12:30] <siretart> look at the url ;)
[12:31] <ajmitch> or click on popcon from packages.qa.debian.org/<packagename> :)
[12:31] <dholbach> or popcon.ubuntu.com
[12:31] <dholbach> :)
[12:31] <ajmitch> dholbach: yes, but I wanted to show debian's stats
[12:32] <dholbach> yeah
[12:32] <ajmitch> since I think more people use popcon there
[12:32] <ajmitch> ubuntu's stats are really low by comparison
[12:34] <dholbach> yeah
[12:34] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well then can you tell me what I SHOULD be working on? ;-)
[12:34] <dholbach> everybody in here: dpkg popularity-contest
[12:34] <ajmitch> bddebian: malone bugs :)
[12:35] <ajmitch> plenty there to look at
[12:35] <bddebian> Bah, I'm too stupid for most of the stuff left on there. ;-)
[12:35] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/people/motu/+assignedbugs <-- EVERYONE FIX BUGS KTHX
[12:35] <havoc> heh
[12:35] <ajmitch> bddebian: now what did I say yesterday?
[12:40] <bddebian> ajmitch: You said I was right? ;-P
[12:40] <ajmitch> bddebian: no, I didn't
[12:43] <dholbach> good night everybody
[12:43] <bddebian> Later dholbach
[12:43] <ajmitch> night dholbach
[12:43] <tseng> bye dholbach
[12:44] <zakame> and now, sunrise in .ph
[12:49] <ajmitch> morning tseng
[12:50] <tseng> hi
[12:50] <tseng> im wondering how penguins live on falkland islands
[12:50] <tseng> re sounder
[12:50] <tseng> it seems pretty odd place for a penguin
[12:50] <tseng> Burgundavia: explain yourself
[12:52] <tseng> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:LocationFalklandIslands.png
[12:52] <tseng> i guess that is pretty south
[12:52] <ajmitch> tseng: penguins live only a few minutes from here, in NZ
[12:52] <tseng> awesome
[12:53] <Nafallo> ajmitch: wow! take your camera and send some pics to gothcat AT ubuntu.com please ;-)
[12:53] <ajmitch> haha
[12:53] <tseng> so
[12:53] <tseng> im an ubuntu member now
[12:54] <bddebian> You weren't before?
[12:54] <tseng> not according to launchpad
[12:54] <bddebian> hmm
[12:54] <bddebian> Aren't you already an MOTU?
[12:54] <tseng> yes
[12:54] <ajmitch> and a main uploader
[12:55] <bddebian> Well WTF? :-)
[12:55] <tseng> haha
[12:55] <Nafallo> hehe
[12:55] <bmonty> hi all
[12:55] <bddebian> Heya bmonty
[12:56] <tseng> so brandon@ubuntu.com works now
[12:57] <tseng> im a real elite hacker now
[12:57] <bddebian> Mine doesn't :-(
[12:57] <\sh> g'night folks
[12:58] <ajmitch> tseng: dude, can I have your autograph now?
[12:58] <ajmitch> night \sh
[12:58] <bmonty> is an ubuntu.com address all it takes to be leet?
[12:58] <tseng> ajmitch: yes.
[12:58] <tseng> bmonty: yep
[12:58] <ajmitch> they're far rarer than debian.org addresses
[12:58] <bmonty> ajmitch: you must be extra leet since I know you have both :)
[12:58] <zakame> bbl, need to cook breakfast or die
[12:59] <tseng> havoc.org is  apretty leet domain name
[12:59] <tseng> not as cool as err.no
[12:59] <havoc> tseng: not as cool as daemonic.org though, which I also own
[12:59] <tseng> no
[12:59] <havoc> and megahard.org as well :)
[12:59] <tseng> er
[01:00] <havoc> which isn't used for anything, but if I ever come into some serious bandwidth I'll host OSS stuff on megahard.org
[01:00] <Nafallo> havoc: tell me the last one is a porno-site please? :-)
[01:00] <tseng> i hope you meant hurd
[01:00] <havoc> Nafallo: no
[01:00] <ajmitch> yay for vanity domains
[01:00] <tseng> ajmitch: whois me
[01:00] <tseng> ajmitch: im all about them
[01:00] <havoc> "Don't want small and flacid software?  Try MegaHard.Org"
[01:01] <bmonty> :)
[01:01] <havoc> or something along those lines
[01:01] <bddebian> Hehe
[01:01] <tseng> thats several steps above ubuntu hard nipple girl
[01:01] <havoc> heh
[01:01] <havoc> megahard.org would make an awsome ubuntu mirror domain
[01:03] <siretart> n8 folks!
[01:03] <bmonty> bye siretart
[01:03] <havoc> later
[01:03] <tseng> oh yay @ mjg for tech board
[01:04] <bddebian> later siretart and \sh_away
[01:05] <bmonty> havoc: so do you actually have a corporation called infinite probability networks?
[01:05] <bddebian> bmonty: Did those uploads build OK?
[01:05] <havoc> bmonty: I did for 6 years, changed structure 2005-01-01 to form an LLC instead
[01:06] <havoc> bmonty: now that it's down to just me
[01:06] <havoc> but I've been doing work for bigchain.com now, which may become more or less full time
[01:06] <havoc> they're the ones I spec'd out all the ubuntu stuff for
[01:07] <bmonty> havoc: sounds like fun
[01:07] <crimsun> hmm
[01:08] <bmonty> bddebian: looks like lyx built ok on all archs, zapping failed on amd64
[01:08] <crimsun> can't search on launchpad
[01:08] <bddebian> crimsun: Aye, I've been hitting that alot lately :-(
[01:08] <bddebian> bmonty: Cool,thx
[01:08] <bmonty> bddebian: siretart told me this morning that there was an issue with symbolic links in the lyx package...so if he asks you about it, blame me
[01:09] <bddebian> Heh, OK
[01:13] <bddebian> Should we just reject duplicates?
[01:14] <bmonty> can't you mark them as dups?
[01:14] <bddebian> WIth a comment but that seems pretty dumb :-)
[01:14] <bmonty> on the menu on the right side
[01:14] <bddebian> Ahh, thx
[01:15] <bmonty> crimsun: launchpad search doesn't work here either
[01:15] <bddebian> "constraint not satisfied"?  WTF?
[01:15] <TheMuso> part
[01:15] <crimsun> and breezy-changes for this month is incomplete
[01:16] <crimsun> I think there's a conspiracy ;)
[01:18] <bddebian> Bah, where's bradb?? :-)
[01:19] <tseng> hiding from me
[01:19] <tseng> ive been hating on launchpad all day
[01:20] <ajmitch> gr, forgot I can't ssh into the laptop from work today
[01:20] <bddebian> doh
[01:23] <bddebian> What should this line look like?:  discrDbl = PK_DBL ( & BCO_LIT(discr) );
[01:24] <tseng> something about discription doubles
[01:24] <ajmitch> bmonty: ?
[01:25] <bmonty> bddebian: looks like good syntax to me
[01:25] <bddebian> I get "invalid lvalue in uranary '&'" on that line
[01:25] <bmonty> ajmitch: nevermind...bad joke
[01:25] <ajmitch> bmonty: one that I didn't get, obviouslt
[01:25] <bmonty> yeah :)
[01:28] <bmonty> can you run x apps from inside the pbuilder chroot?
[01:28] <ajmitch> sure, why not?
[01:29] <ajmitch> xnest on my breezy desktop listening on tcp
[01:29] <bmonty> It should work, but isn't working here.  Either the app fails to open the display without an error or something else weird is happening
[01:39] <bmonty> I think we should close #341, anyone disagree (see comments on the bug)
[01:45] <bddebian> bmonty: No, I think it needs a few more comments ;-P
[01:46] <bmonty> at a minimum it does provide a good test for lauchpad's layout :)
[01:47] <crimsun> geez, my mind wants to explode after reading #341
[01:47] <crimsun> :p
[01:48] <bmonty> heh, my point is that the original bug has been fixed
[01:48] <crimsun> close it.
[01:48] <bmonty> there still should be some discussion about what actually happens when you install the package
[01:49] <crimsun> we'll need to involve pitti, then, because it does touch some security-sensitive areas.
[01:49] <crimsun> severity -> wishlist, priority -> low
[01:50] <crimsun> (if you leave it open)
[01:50] <bmonty> I'm going to close the bug, and open a new one about how tpb doesn't start automatically after installation
[01:50] <crimsun> sounds fine by me
[01:57] <ajmitch> crimsun: Mithrandir has most of a rewrite of tpb done
[01:57] <ajmitch> one that doesn't suck quite so much :)
[01:57] <crimsun> oooh, excellent
[01:59] <ajmitch> bbl
[01:59] <Nafallo> tpb?
[02:01] <bddebian> toilet paper blocker
[02:01] <bmonty> Nafallo: thinkpad buttons
[02:02] <Nafallo> ah. nothing for me then :-).
[02:02] <bmonty> if there is a package re-write coming then I guess there is no need to open a bug
[02:07] <bddebian> Did someone close 990 already?
[02:08] <bmonty> is someone working on #298 for the hostap modules?
[02:08] <bddebian> Not me :-)
[02:14] <Nafallo> is the general policy to accept those you are working on now? :-)
[02:15] <bmonty> yes
[02:15] <bddebian> Nafallo: Sure, but I think they want to keep the assignee as MOTU.  Even though I see several got changed :-)
[02:16] <Nafallo> yes :-)
[02:21] <bddebian> Any amd64 users handy?
[02:22] <Nafallo> about to go to bed
[02:22] <havoc> who can afford amd64 stuff?
[02:22] <bddebian> Bah
[02:23] <Nafallo> havoc: my mother, currently ;-)
[02:23] <bddebian> Well I might buy one but I already have 9 machines running in my house :-(
[02:23] <Nafallo> she's paying of my loan :-P
[02:23] <havoc> Nafallo: ah :)
[02:23] <bddebian> heh
[02:23] <bddebian> Nafallo: ANy chance of a real quick test before you head out?
[02:24] <Nafallo> bddebian: you could always ask me ;-)
[02:24] <bddebian> Nafallo: Just a quick install and execute of safecat and see if it fails?
[02:25] <Nafallo> after the cronned apt-get update finishes ;-)
[02:25] <bddebian> w00t, thx
[02:27] <Nafallo> *sigh* I _NEED_ the new connection I've been waiting for for two weeks now
[02:28] <havoc> Nafallo: what do you have now?
[02:28] <Nafallo> havoc: 512/512kbit
[02:28] <havoc> ack
[02:28] <havoc> still better than dialup
[02:28] <havoc> but not as good as 6Mbps/384Kbps
[02:28] <Nafallo> havoc: my ISP said they would upgrade me free of charge to 24/1Mbit and sent me a modem :-P.
[02:29] <havoc> so where is it?
[02:29] <Nafallo> I wonder to... probably all they have to do is move the f***ing cable.
[02:30] <Nafallo> root@darkelf:/# safecat
[02:30] <Nafallo> safecat: usage: safecat <tempdir> <destdir>
[02:30] <Nafallo> bddebian: like that ^ :-)
[02:36] <bddebian> Nafallo: Does it work? :-)
[02:37] <Nafallo> bddebian: what does it do? :-)
[02:38] <Nafallo> bddebian: what shall I do with it? :-)
[02:49] <bddebian> Nafallo: Dunno but it looks like it would have failed just on startup.  Malone #1082
[02:51] <Nafallo> bddebian: can't reproduce that, no :-)
[02:51] <bddebian> OK, thx
[03:07] <bmonty> is there a wiki page that talks about the proper way to set build depends for packages that need the kernel headers?
[03:07] <bddebian> That just sucks :-)
[03:07] <bddebian> Are you looking at hostap?
[03:07] <bmonty> yes
[03:08] <bddebian> You're scary dude ;-)
[03:08] <ajmitch> why is that scary?
[03:08] <bmonty> why, its just a module and the build depends need to be updated for the ubuntu kernel
[03:08] <bddebian> :-)
[03:08] <ajmitch> hostap is fairly simple, and quite useful
[03:09] <bddebian> So fix it
[03:09] <bddebian> :-)
[03:09] <ajmitch> last time I tried I had some minor issues about where it wanted to put files
[03:09] <bmonty> basically I'm pulling out all the references to kernel versions that ubuntu doesn't have
[03:09] <ajmitch> bddebian: why, when bmonty is?
[03:09] <bddebian> heh
[03:09] <bddebian> ajmitch: Oh good, help me with ghc-cvs then ;-P
[03:10] <ajmitch> why, when it's crap & deserves to be dropped?
[03:10] <bddebian> Can you convince elmo of that?
[03:11] <ajmitch> why can't you?
[03:11] <bddebian> I have asked him to morgue a few crappy packages and his response is usually.  "Why, SOMEONE might want it" :-)
[03:11] <ajmitch> oh yay, ghc 6.4.1 was released
[03:12] <Nafallo> bddebian: did you provide him with an argument for why?
[03:12] <bmonty> so when breezy is released, it will only have one kernel version with the associated smp, 686, k7 variants, right?
[03:12] <ajmitch> bddebian: then tell him that ghc-cvs lags the released ghc by a few months
[03:15] <bmonty> anyone know the answer to my question on the kernel version?
[03:16] <bddebian> bmonty: Not me sorry
[03:16] <crimsun> bmonty, in main, correct
[03:16] <bmonty> crimsun: thanks...are you saying that there could be other versions in universe?
[03:16] <ajmitch> no, there won't be if we can help it
[03:17] <ajmitch> we learnt that with hoary - it has 2.6.11 in universe
[03:17] <bmonty> ok, so is 2.6.12-9 going to be the breezy kernel version or could it change?
[03:18] <crimsun> bmonty, there's a good possibility the ABI could be bumped again.
[03:18] <crimsun> bmonty, but no, there should be only one version. In main.
[03:18] <ajmitch> crimsun: there is? it's getting a bit late for that
[03:20] <Nafallo> kernel freeze is on thursday ;-)
[03:26] <bddebian> This is bullshit
[03:26] <crimsun> sok bddebian, we still appreciate you
[03:26] <bddebian> Yeah right, but thanks
[03:47] <jsgotangco> hi all
[03:47] <bddebian> Hello jsgotangco
[03:49] <ogra> thanks for nvu
[03:49] <bddebian> NP
[03:51] <ogra> bddebian, dont say that, you do awesome work currently...
[03:51] <ogra> nobody fixes as much as you
[03:52] <bmonty> so, if I build-depend on linux-headers-386 (which always depends on the latest kernel), can I use uname in the rules file to get the kernel version?
[03:53] <bddebian> bmonty: Sounds rational
[03:53] <bddebian> ogra: Tell that to elmo ;-P
[03:53] <ogra> i'll do !
[03:53] <ogra> but i'm sure he also recognized it :)
[03:54] <bddebian> Oh yeah, you see how he loves my questions :-)
[03:54] <ogra> as he loves everyones elses questions
[03:55] <ogra> he appears a bit rude on IRC....
[03:55] <ogra> not at all compliant to the person in RL
[03:55] <ogra> (it impresses me every time i meet him)
[03:56] <bddebian> I don't blame him, I know he's busy.  Its just frustrating because I have a lot of things I want to get done :-)
[03:57] <ogra> he'll do them eventually... surely before release
[03:57] <bmonty> sounds to me like the workload of removing packages needs to be spread around :)
[03:58] <bmonty> it would be cool if we had a REMUV to compliment REVU :)
[03:58] <ogra> there is only one person who actually can remove them :)
[04:02] <bmonty> ogra: exactly my point...effort to distribute that work among several people would probably help
[04:03] <ogra> bmonty, that would need more ftpmasters we dont have...
[04:03] <bddebian> bmonty: How come you didn't close 1223?
[04:03] <bmonty> bddebian: checking...
[04:03] <bddebian> bmonty: I assume you know about the MOTUMorgueCandidates wiki page?
[04:04] <bmonty> bddebian: yes, but my understanding is that elmo doesn't look at that page
[04:04] <bddebian> Not that anyone that can do anything about it actually reads it
[04:04] <ajmitch> elmo only takes direct requests
[04:04] <bmonty> you will see several entries with my name on that page :)
[04:04] <bddebian> ajmitch: And even those he usually ignores. ;-P
[04:06] <bmonty> bddebian: 1223 is closed
[04:06] <bddebian> bmonty: Thank you sir
[04:06] <bmonty> np ;)
[04:09] <bmonty> yay, my ipv6 tunnel is finally working :)
[04:09] <bddebian> Nice
[04:11] <tseng> did you get one of the free ones?
[04:13] <ogra> oh, thanks bmonty ...
[04:13] <ogra> i just realized 1223 was my bug
[04:13] <bmonty> tseng: yes, he.net
[04:13] <bmonty> ogra: no problem :)
[04:14] <bddebian> Yeah WTF? ;-)
[04:14] <ogra> ETOOMUCHEDUBUNTU and ETOOMUCHSCREENSAVERCHANGES
[04:14] <ogra> the latter is the worst....
[04:15] <ogra> ... since totally unplanned
[04:15] <ogra> but anyway, 4am... night all
[04:16] <ajmitch> night ogra
[04:18] <bddebian> Gnight ogra
[04:28] <Nafallo> hmm
[04:28] <Nafallo> what ogra said :-)
[04:28] <Nafallo> bye
[04:30] <bmonty> ajmitch: do you use a 6to4 tunnel by any chance?
[04:32] <ajmitch> not really
[04:32] <ajmitch> it breaks routing too often for my setup
[04:33] <bmonty> so your ISP gives you a v6 address?
[04:33] <ajmitch> no
[04:33] <ajmitch> just a standard tunnel
[04:33] <ajmitch> not from my isp
[04:33] <ajmitch> 6to4 is a different form of tunnel
[04:34] <bmonty> do you use /etc/network/interfaces to maintain the configuration?
[04:34] <ajmitch> no
[04:35] <bddebian> That's strange.  xawtv doesn't suggest any video packages :-)
[04:35] <bmonty> hmm...I'm trying to figure out the best way to configure a 6to4 tunnel across reboots
[04:36] <bmonty> best documentation I can find is for woody, and I'm not sure if it is up to date for the ifupdown package in sarge
[04:37] <ajmitch> aha
[04:37] <bddebian> w00t, c'mon bmonty we're down to 515 ;-)
[04:37] <ajmitch> back down to 515, you mean
[04:38] <bmonty> bddebian: sorry man...I'm playing IPv6 for a little bit :)
[04:38] <bddebian> Doh
[04:38] <bddebian> ajmitch: Aye :-)
[04:41] <ajmitch> bddebian: you should be able to close another 100 or so today
[04:41] <bddebian> Nah, I'm getting ready to play Fable for tonight :-)
[04:42] <ajmitch> bah
[04:42] <ajmitch> you're going to leave them for me to do after work, aren't you?
[04:42] <bddebian> Of course :-)
[04:44] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[04:44] <zakame> hello all! :D
[04:45] <bddebian> Anyone think we should just close/reject #1380?
[04:46] <ajmitch> bddebian: reject, breezy version is in sync with debian
[04:46] <zakame> is that about yaboot?
[04:46] <ajmitch> zakame: malone 1380
[04:46] <ajmitch> about a maintainer field
[04:47] <zakame> ah
[04:47] <zakame> I was checking bugzilla
[04:47] <bddebian> Anyone know if slomo ever uploaded smlnj?
[04:47] <bddebian> ajmitch: Keep dreaming baby.. ;-P
[04:48] <ajmitch> smlnj | 110.54-0ubuntu1 | http://10.18.1.1 breezy/universe Packages
[04:48] <ajmitch> bddebian: you're right, I can't catch you in bug closing
[04:48] <bddebian> ajmitch: Yeah, I just saw the smlnj ;-)
[04:48] <ajmitch> why did you ask then? :)
[04:48] <bddebian> ajmitch: Remember what I said about quantity != quality ;-P
[04:49] <bddebian> Because I like to just spout for no reason.  Ask tseng :-)
[04:49] <zakame> ajmitch, indeed, Debian QA ought not to be the in the maintainer field
[04:49] <zakame> this means the package was orphaned
[04:49] <ajmitch> zakame: if you looked at the package, you'd see that it isn't
[04:50] <ajmitch> it was adopted back in may
[04:51] <zakame> hmmm, adopted in debian or in ubuntu?
[04:51] <ajmitch> bddebian: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/zope-cmfplone/+bug/1081
[04:51] <ajmitch> zakame: debian
[04:52] <ajmitch> zakame: and we have that same version
[04:52] <ajmitch> bddebian: looks enough like a non-bug? ;)
[04:52] <bddebian> ajmitch: I saw that one earlier and thought of you :-)
[04:52] <bddebian> Does anyone else think #1481 is dumb? :-)
[04:53] <ajmitch> yes
[04:54] <ajmitch> bddebian: I willingly take any zope bugs
[04:55] <bddebian> ajmitch: OK.  Are we still leaving MOTU as the asignee?
[04:55] <bddebian> Reject #1481?
[04:56] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes, leave MOTU as assignee
[04:56] <ajmitch> hm
[04:56] <ajmitch> maybe reject it
[04:57] <bmonty> I say reject
[04:57] <bmonty> let the submitter justify why the description needs to be changed
[05:01] <bddebian> tritium: Welcome to the "unofficial" bug day. :-)
[05:03] <tritium> bddebian, oh yeah?  Cool...
[05:03] <bddebian> C'mon zakame keep up!! ;-P
[05:03] <zakame> waah!
[05:04] <ajmitch> bddebian: I can't do much bug triage at the moment :P
[05:04] <bddebian> ajmitch: I'm just busting your balls man. :-)
[05:05] <ajmitch> well I'll get back to it later
[05:05] <ajmitch> & I'll try & catch up
[05:07] <ajmitch> I suck
[05:07] <ajmitch> I really do
[05:07] <ajmitch> when I misspell typo in a changelog
[05:07] <bmonty> ajmitch: is that the bug on the fonts in the about box being messed up?
[05:07] <ajmitch> bmonty: yes
[05:08] <bmonty> I played with that one and couldn't get it to work.  You can set the font used by the text box, but it has no effect or the text disappears
[05:08] <jsgotangco> bug day??
[05:08] <ajmitch> great
[05:08] <bddebian> ajmitch: :-)
[05:08] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: join in if you want
[05:08] <bddebian> zakame: ;-)
[05:08] <jsgotangco> malone?
[05:09] <bddebian> jsgotangco: Aye
[05:09] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: unofficial
[05:09] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: in other words, bddebian decided to go postal on malone
[05:09] <zakame> hmmm, under tl_PH, date is "septiyembre 28, 2005"; that ought to be "setiyembre"
[05:10] <bddebian> ajmitch: :-)
[05:11] <zakame> to what package am I supposed to post a bug/patch for that?
[05:12] <ajmitch> probably locales in bugzilla?
[05:12] <jsgotangco> 1333 is confirmed
[05:13] <ajmitch> don't remind bddebian of ardour :)
[05:13] <ajmitch> bddebian: 507!
[05:13] <zakame> jsgotangco, ardour-gtk?
[05:13] <jsgotangco> yes
[05:14] <bmonty> is the malone search function working now?
[05:14] <bddebian> ajmitch: 507 what?
[05:14] <bddebian> ajmitch: I'm not working on ardour, I just know it's on UnmetDeps too :-)
[05:14] <bddebian> Hmm, whats up with libxp-dev?
[05:14] <ajmitch> bddebian: 506 open bugs now
[05:14] <bmonty> lol
[05:18] <bmonty> bddebian: give me a bug number, please!!
[05:18] <bddebian> bmonty: For what?
[05:18] <bddebian> ajmitch: Ahh cool
[05:18] <bmonty> to fix
[05:19] <bddebian> 1686
[05:19] <ajmitch> bmonty: 1780 ;)
[05:20] <bddebian> Why does1780 sound familiar?
[05:20] <zakame> how about a wishlist bug to launchpad? re: random bug viewer
[05:20] <bmonty> ajmitch: 1780...hmm, I gave up on that.  I asked about changing the ubuntu mirrors format and nobody seemed interested
[05:20] <bddebian> bmonty: If you could fix wesnoth -t option I would be stoked.  I have tried :-(
[05:20] <bddebian> zakame: :-)
[05:21] <bmonty> an "I'm feeling lucky.." link for launchpad?
[05:21] <jsgotangco> nice one
[05:21] <zakame> yeah
[05:21] <bddebian> bmonty: Nice :-)
[05:26] <bmonty> 1686 is done...
[05:26] <bddebian> bmonty: Did you test it? ;-)
[05:26] <bmonty> of course
[05:27] <bddebian> How'd you fix it?
[05:27] <bmonty> it has no desktop file though....
[05:27] <bddebian> I noticed that.  I was gonna add one :-)
[05:27] <bmonty> bddebian: the package in breezy has the correct dependencies and the program starts
[05:28] <bmonty> it build depends on xlibs-dev and and the binaries appear to have the correct dependencies
[05:28] <bddebian> Was that posted against hoary?
[05:29] <bmonty> bddebian: I think so
[05:29] <bddebian> Hmm.  What a lamer.  See ajmitch I can't even fix the easy ones. ;-P
[05:30] <ajmitch> bddebian: 504!
[05:30] <ajmitch> hah
[05:30] <ajmitch> yes you can
[05:30] <ajmitch> bddebian: shall we aim for < 450 bugs open? ;)
[05:31] <bmonty> ajmitch: not tonight, I have to work tomorrow
[05:31] <bddebian> ajmitch: Sure :-)
[05:31] <bddebian> Well I guess I'm not playing any Fable tonight :'-(
[05:32] <bmonty> so I need to go to the next technical board meeting to finish my request to be an MOTU, right?  I'm probably going to have to take the day off from work to be there.
[05:33] <tritium> bmonty, can't IRC at work either?
[05:33] <bddebian> bmonty: IRC from work man ;-P
[05:33] <ajmitch> bddebian: go ahead & play fable then, I've still got a few hours left in me ;)
[05:33] <bmonty> yeah right, IRC is blocked at the firewall
[05:33] <tritium> bddebian, some of us can't, dude ;)
[05:33] <bddebian> bmonty: 1704 ;-)
[05:33] <bddebian> bmonty: ssh and irssi? ;-)
[05:34] <bddebian> tritium: So get a better job. ;-P
[05:34] <tritium> bddebian, I like mine very much, thank you
[05:34] <bmonty> bddebian: cricumventing network security measures is seriously frowned upon where I work
[05:34] <tritium> yeah, lose your clearance, get fired...
[05:34] <bmonty> ...go to jail
[05:34] <tritium> yep
[05:35] <ajmitch> is that all? :)
[05:35] <bddebian> Oh so you two are "those" types eh? ;-)  I'm only kidding you know :-)
[05:36] <zakame> I'm experiencing #1975
[05:36] <tritium> bddebian, take off, you hoser ;)
[05:37] <bmonty> :)
[05:37] <bddebian> hehe
[05:38] <bmonty> so, is the technical meeting the right place to be?
[05:38] <bddebian> Yes
[05:38] <ajmitch> bmonty: yes
[05:38] <bddebian> Where have I heard allegro from before?
[05:38] <ajmitch> bmonty: that's where we'll consider supporting you for MOTU
[05:38] <bmonty> right
[05:39] <ajmitch> :)
[05:39] <ajmitch> after that we take you outside for the MOTU initiation
[05:39] <bmonty> as long as there is beer and dacing girls, I'm cool with that
[05:40] <bddebian> Hehe
[05:40] <bddebian> That would be UBZ if I could go!! :-)
[05:41] <bmonty> bddebian: 1704...I say reject and we morgue the package...doesn't gnome do all this stuff for us and better?
[05:42] <bddebian> Bah fsck.  I thought we got libjack0.100.0
[05:42] <bmonty> or I should say nautilus?
[05:43] <bddebian> bmonty: Probably
[05:44] <zakame> bbl
[05:45] <bmonty> lufs has had no updates since Oct 2003, I think it is easily a morgue candidate
[05:45] <bddebian> Hey didn't dholbach say zakame was gonna kick my ass in uploads?? ;-P
[05:45] <bddebian> bmonty: YOU take it to elmo :-)
[05:45] <ajmitch> bddebian: UBZ won't be beer & dancing girls
[05:45] <bmonty> k
[05:46] <ajmitch> it'll be hard work & no sleep
[05:46] <ajmitch> & beer
[05:46] <bddebian> It'd be dancing girls if I was going.. ;-P
[05:46] <bmonty> I was on the fence until you said beer, but OK
[05:46] <bddebian> Heh
[05:46] <ajmitch> well there might be some dancing girls
[05:46] <ajmitch> I know that at least a few of them will go to the bars
[05:48] <ajmitch> the bug count isn't dropping very fast.. get back to work :)
[05:51] <bddebian> bmonty: 1753?
[05:51] <ajmitch> can anyone confirm 1657 ?
[05:52] <ajmitch> he reported the bug against the version currently in breezy
[05:52] <bddebian> 1757 is comical
[05:52] <bmonty> ajmitch: 1780...how do you like it now?
[05:53] <ajmitch> bddebian: known thing with qt & themes
[05:53] <bddebian> ajmitch: Giveme a sec and I'll try it
[05:53] <ajmitch> bmonty: hm, ok
[05:55] <bddebian> ajmitch: It works for me but I don't know what (s)he means by "I listen some (midi?) music:"??
[05:56] <bmonty> d4x works here also...maybe the midi thing is refering to the music that plays when it starts?
[05:56] <bddebian> Maybe
[05:56] <bddebian> I wonder if he has upgraded?  Isn't there some newer gdk stuff out there?
[05:57] <ajmitch> probably
[05:57] <ajmitch> so it might be fixed now
[05:58] <ajmitch> 501!
[05:58] <bmonty> I'm downloading a file with it no problem
[05:58] <ajmitch> close 2 more bugs pls
[06:00] <bddebian> closed
[06:01] <bddebian> w00t 500
[06:01] <ajmitch> bddebian: yay, down to 500 bugs open
[06:03] <bddebian> Can anyone reproduce #1763 ?
[06:03] <bddebian> I can't
[06:03] <bmonty> checking...
[06:05] <bmonty> where are some truetype fonts to test against?
[06:06] <bddebian> Dunno, I just tried the command that they have posted there
[06:08] <bddebian> I don't even see a valid kdebindings package, so I don't know where he got a 3.4.2 version from on 1784 ??
[06:08] <bddebian> Riddell: You awake? :-)
[06:08] <bmonty> ttmkfdir appears to work fine here
[06:10] <bddebian> bmonty: Thanks.  I'll make a comment and give him/her a few days.
[06:11] <bmonty> ok, I'm going to bed....night everyone
[06:11] <bddebian> gnight bmonty thanks a million!  Good stuff!
[06:12] <bddebian> w00t 499
[06:13] <ajmitch> night bmonty
[06:36] <bddebian> Why don't we have any tomcat packages?
[06:37] <ajmitch> lack of java love?
[06:37] <ajmitch> they can probably fit in multiverse, I guess
[06:37] <ajmitch> unelss they work ok with free java
[06:37] <bddebian> Hmm, OK
[06:38] <ajmitch> and it's antique in debian
[06:38] <bddebian> Well #1864 is looking for them :-)
[06:41] <ajmitch> ok, tomcat4 is a different source package
[06:41] <ajmitch> in debian contrib
[06:42] <bddebian> Oh, aye sorry,  should have been more specifc
[06:42] <bddebian> specific even :-)
[06:56] <bddebian> OK it's 1:00am, time for bed.  Thanks ajmitch
[06:58] <taryn> Hi, I'm taryn and I'm hoping to begin to contribute to ubuntu - but I don't think I'm good enough to be a member/maintainer yet.
[06:59] <taryn> The wiki say I should join this channel and go looking for somebody from MOTU willing to help me out
[06:59] <taryn> Is there anybody here (or that somebody here knows) that would be willing to mentor me through beginning ot contribute to OSS stuff?
[07:00] <Burgundavia> tseng, say again/
[07:01] <crimsun> taryn, we all do
[07:01] <crimsun> taryn, there are some "wannabe" pages on the wiki under MOTU that you might want to start with
[07:02] <taryn> crimsun: as far as I can see - the pages tend to be more aimed towards "so you want ot be a maintainer"
[07:02] <taryn> they assume that you know what you want to do, for a start :(
[07:02] <taryn> I'm looking at starting at a much more basic level and will admittednly need a little hand-holding ot begin with.
[07:03] <crimsun> taryn, there are lots of ways to help and a variety of beginning skillsets
[07:03] <crimsun> taryn, we'll help you with things as you come across questions
[07:03] <taryn> I have a few years of commerical C skills and am beginning to learn Python
[07:04] <crimsun> taryn, then you'll be up and running in no time.
[07:04] <lifeless> taryn: east, I presume ?
[07:04] <taryn> I would best like to start by having a few simple bugs to find/fix - then I could proceed to harder stuff...
[07:04] <taryn> lifeless - yep
[07:04] <lifeless> :)
[07:04] <crimsun> -> laundry
[07:05] <taryn> lifeless - do I know you? (don't recognise the nick) :)
[07:05] <lifeless> yes, Robert Collins
[07:05] <lifeless> openskills-dev list, slug
[07:05] <taryn> ah, the small world. :)
[07:05] <lifeless> indeed.
[07:05] <lifeless> so, first thing is probably finding a well contained bug ;0
[07:06] <taryn> lifeless: well contained?
[07:07] <taryn> I went trawling through bugzilla the other day, but I honestly don't know what to look for... there was such a flood of stuff
[07:07] <lifeless> some bugs have knock on impact, either because fixing them implies backwards incompatability or other such things, or because they were masking some other nasty bug
[07:07] <taryn> I may also be quite limited in that I only have one computer to work with at home, and I can't put anything unstable on it... I'm curretnly on V 5.04
[07:07] <lifeless> so a well contained bug may not be small, nor easy, but fixing it doesn't involve huge amounts of scatter
[07:07] <lifeless> I suggest you build yourself a chroot..
[07:08] <lifeless> install dchroot and cdebootstrap
[07:08] <lifeless> the former is just some sugar to run stuff easily in chroots
[07:08] <lifeless> the latter will let you create a breezy (5.10) environment that won't impact your day to day work
[07:08] <lifeless> so that you can fix bugs in current stuff safely
[07:09] <taryn> ok, so that's kind of like having alternative bootup OS's? and chroot lets you switch without rebooting???
[07:09] <lifeless> in a very handwaving way, yes.
[07:09] <lifeless> :)
[07:10] <taryn> cool
[07:10] <lifeless> you need enough free space to do this, naturally
[07:11] <taryn> should have enough for that.
[07:11] <taryn> so, how do I find self-contained bugs amongst the rest (or is this a black art)?
[07:11] <lifeless> I hope that some of the more active motus have some to hand
[07:11] <lifeless> ajmitch: ping
[07:12] <lifeless> ajmitch has his finger on the pulse here
[07:12] <taryn> cool
[07:16] <taryn> well, I have something to start with for tonight. I'll get chroot happening then get back here after that. :)
[07:16] <taryn> thanks.
[07:16] <lifeless> happy to help
[07:16] <crimsun> taryn, trawl malone
[07:17] <taryn> crimsun: what's malone?
[07:17] <crimsun> there are tons of bugs on malone that could use more info and assistance
[07:17] <crimsun> http://launchpad.net/malone
[07:18] <lifeless> taryn: malone is the official bugtracker for the universe packages
[07:18] <lifeless> taryn: its a little more organised than bugzille
[07:19] <taryn> ok - just looking at it now
[07:21] <taryn> out of curiosity - is there a way of looking at the buglist and picking only packagesthat are written in a lanuage I know?
[07:21] <lifeless> mmm
[07:22] <lifeless> not sure, but that sure would be nice wouldn't it.
[07:22] <lifeless> let me see if brad or bjorn are awake
[07:22] <lifeless> bradb and bjornt are the two main devs for malone
[07:23] <crimsun> taryn, you can kinda cheat. Python packages will be python-foo or pyfoo generally.
[07:23] <taryn> crisun: good point :)
[07:24] <taryn> crimsun: though when I say I'm a beginner at Python - that means I picked up the book last week ;) I'm up to chapter 5, though!
[07:24] <lifeless> we do have the metadata
[07:24] <lifeless> to do this from package information in launchpad
[07:25] <crimsun> and perl stuff will generally be libfoo-perl
[07:25] <crimsun> similar for Ruby: libfoo-rubyVer
[07:29] <ajmitch> taryn: ah, another person from this part of the world :)
[07:29] <taryn> ajmicth : sydney? :)
[07:29] <ajmitch> no, just australia/nz :)
[07:29] <taryn> apologies for dyslexic fiuger... :P
[07:30] <ajmitch> nothing compared to my typing today
[07:30] <ajmitch> how would you like to help out? packaging, bug fixing?
[07:31] <lifeless> taryn: bjorn says that there are no current plans to do that, but that it is an interesting scenario
[07:31] <lifeless> taryn: and would you be willing to file a bug on launchpad in malone about that ?
[07:32] <taryn> ajmitch: probably bug-fixing to begin with. I don't know how to do packaging
[07:32] <taryn> not that I don't want to learn - just that I can be more immediately useful if I start with bugs
[07:32] <ajmitch> a lot of the bugs we get in malone are packaging related, rather than broken upstream code
[07:32] <taryn> lifeless: sure thing... erm I'll just go find out how
[07:32] <ajmitch> although we still have a lot of that
[07:33] <ajmitch> we don't anticipate being bug-free for release, though, so there's plenty to work on
[07:35] <ajmitch> if we're free from bugs we obviously have no users ;)
[07:35] <taryn> ajmitch: I found a packaging how-to at one stage, but haven't had a chance to read it yet - I think it was debian-based. Is there much aof a diff (given the closeness of ubuntu-debian)?
[07:36] <ajmitch> no, there's practically no differences
[07:36] <ajmitch> and we try & keep as close to debian as is practical
[07:36] <taryn> ok then, I'll print that out and read it on the bus :)
[07:39] <zakame> hello again
[07:39] <crimsun> 'lo
[07:40] <taryn> I just got a new launchpad acct (for submitting that "bug")... out of curiosity, what is hackergotchi and why can't I access it?
[07:40] <lifeless> heh. hackergotchi are little heads that show up beside peoples names
[07:40] <lifeless> and its not quite finished yet;0
[07:41] <ajmitch> launchpad still has a few rough edges :)
[07:41] <lifeless> s/rough/bleeding knives/
 so presumably that would be the little man you see on your "please make a homepage" page? So presumably in future I could turn that into a girls head instead? :)
[07:43] <ajmitch> taryn: it's generally the disembodied head photo that you see on pages like planet.ubuntu.com
[07:44] <zakame> hackergotchi!
[07:44] <ajmitch> wb jsgotangco :)
[07:44] <taryn> ajmitch: ok - so an avatar in essence. Cool
[07:44] <jsgotangco> hi
[07:45] <jsgotangco> my dsl suddenly died
[07:45] <taryn> lifeless : is there anything specific I have to do to add a bug that is really a feature request?
[07:45] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: looks like it's been suddenly dying all day
[07:45] <jsgotangco> yes
[07:45] <lifeless> taryn: nope
[07:45] <jsgotangco> but no one is answering on support
[07:45] <lifeless> taryn: just say what you'd like to have happen
[07:46] <taryn> lifeless: do I still need to specify a distro?
[07:46] <lifeless> jsgotangco: you with telstra then ;)
[07:46] <lifeless> taryn: no. What url are you at ?
[07:46] <taryn> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/+package
[07:46] <lifeless> ah
[07:47] <lifeless> so, you might find https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bugs more useful
[07:47] <lifeless> for filing a bug on launchpad itself
[07:49] <taryn> ok, hve added - not very detailed in description, though... there's not much to say.
[07:50] <lifeless> thanks
[07:50] <ajmitch> doesn't look like I'll be catching the top 5 on karma anytime soon
[07:51] <Lathiat> haha where do you see that
[07:51] <crimsun> I wish I could upload my GPG-signed CoC...
[07:51] <ajmitch> well the 5th person has 3969 :)
[07:51] <Lathiat> apparently karma for translations is broken
[07:51] <ajmitch> fixed now
[07:51] <zakame> I'm filing my `random bug viewer' bugrep... :))
[07:51] <Lathiat> as in if you upload a translation it ..
[07:51] <Lathiat> ah :)
[07:51] <lifeless> crimsun: why can't you ?
[07:51] <ajmitch> people don't get insanely high karma for translations now
[07:51] <crimsun> lifeless, because it barfs trying to retrieve my key
[07:52] <lifeless> crimsun: have you filed a bug ?
[07:52] <crimsun> lifeless, no, there are three others.
[07:52] <crimsun> I didn't feel the need to file yet another bug on it.
[07:52] <lifeless> dups ?
[07:52] <crimsun> two dups
[07:52] <crimsun> dupes, rather
[07:52] <lifeless> I don't suppose you have the #'s ?
[07:52] <crimsun> sec
[07:53] <ajmitch> lifeless: are you still spending a fair bit of time on launchpad?
[07:53] <lifeless> ajmitch: closely involved in it
[07:54] <lifeless> not coding much on it
[07:54] <ajmitch> mainly hacking bzr now
[07:54] <crimsun> hmph, when I attempt to search it explodes too
[07:54] <lifeless> yep
[07:54] <crimsun> (it has been doing that all night)
[07:54] <ajmitch> crimsun: I just filed a bug on that
[07:54] <lifeless> crimsun: thats beeing looked at right now
[07:54] <lifeless> timeout on a complex query
[07:54] <crimsun> right
[07:54] <lifeless> if you log out it will work.
[07:54] <lifeless> :!
[07:59] <crimsun> hmph, can't find them- or any- which is odd
[08:03] <lifeless> crimsun: there was one with subkey support
[08:03] <lifeless> crimsun: we fixed that about 1.5 months back
[08:03] <crimsun> lifeless, nah, this one's more recent. I click edit gpg key, paste my fingerprint, click submit, and get a system error
[08:05] <lifeless> ok
[08:05] <lifeless> ah, so the subkey thing was that you could add the key but the coc was rejected
[08:12] <taryn> \away testing away function :)
[08:12] <taryn> guess not
[08:12] <taryn> AWAY testing away function again... :)
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[08:13] <taryn> anyone know the magic spell for using away on irssi?
[08:13] <crimsun>  /away message
[08:13] <taryn> ah... got the slash backwards. thanks
[08:14] <Burgundavia> taryn, but please don't use them here
[08:14] <crimsun> some people prefer /nick foo_away
[08:14] <crimsun> etc.
[08:14] <taryn> burgundavia: ok, why not?
[08:14] <Burgundavia> taryn, it is spam
[08:15] <taryn> burgundavia : oh, ok. so it's better to just leave the channel?
[08:15] <Burgundavia> you can linger
[08:15] <taryn> burgundavia : I just don't want to be rude if I head off for coffee/lunch/etc and don't answer if somebody asks (not that anyone is likely to)...
[08:16] <taryn> burgundavia : ok, no problem. :)
[08:16] <Burgundavia> taryn, some change their nick, ala \sh_away, others like myself just got away
[08:16] <Burgundavia> s/got/go
[08:17] <lifeless> Burgundavia: huh
[08:17] <Burgundavia> lifeless, I make sense dammit
[08:17] <lifeless> Burgundavia: you are thinking of away announce scripts, which is not the same as marking the client away
[08:17] <lifeless> taryn: '/away at lunch' is completely fine.
[08:17] <Burgundavia> lifeless, ah, ok
[08:17] <taryn> lifeless, burgundavia : ok... :)
[08:18] <taryn> thanks.
[08:18] <lifeless> Burgundavia: some client, I don't recall which one, had announcing away status as a default, and that was truely spam
[08:18] <crimsun> that would be the infamous bitchx
[08:53] <taryn> thanks for your help. :)
[08:56] <zakame> hmmm, tuxtype doesn't seem to have a .desktop file
[08:57] <zakame> ei dholbach
[08:57] <ajmitch> hey dholbach
[08:57] <dholbach> bon jour!
[08:57] <dholbach> hellas!, how are you guys?
[08:58] <ajmitch> good :)
[08:58] <ajmitch> dholbach: we're below 500 bugs open on malone again ;)
[08:58] <dholbach> WOW :)
[08:59] <ajmitch> dholbach: seen this? https://launchpad.net/people/bddebian/+karma
[08:59] <dholbach> WOW
[09:00] <dholbach> he's insane
[09:00] <ajmitch> makes my few bugs I've closed look pitiful ;)
[09:00] <dholbach> mine too
[09:00] <crimsun> kick arse
[09:03] <dholbach> ok, i will make the universe-bugs--list now non-moderated
[09:03] <ajmitch> hm
[09:03] <dholbach> having to approve mails manually is ... BORING
[09:03] <dholbach> and i suppose they alaways get a mail too
[09:04] <dholbach> which is plainly stupid
[09:04] <ajmitch> dholbach: not if they're subscribed, and they used the launchpad preferred address
[09:05] <dholbach> ajmitch: but lots of people do bug triage who don't care about any mailing list
[09:05] <ajmitch> I know :)
[09:09] <ajmitch> ok, now to track down if this .desktop file I added will show up in the menu
[09:17] <ajmitch> grr, gnome-chess ftbfs
[09:17] <dholbach> ajmitch: want me to look at it?
[09:18] <ajmitch> if you really really want
[09:18] <dholbach> ok
[09:18] <ajmitch> just C badness, I think
[09:19] <ajmitch> don't worry about it
[09:20] <ajmitch> it's fixed in debian
[09:20] <ajmitch> so I'll merge my changes & the debian changes & upload
[09:20] <zakame> is anyone packaging lighttpd?
[09:20] <ajmitch> or just drop  my changes, 0.3.3-6 has them anyway but the bug wasn't closed
[09:21] <ajmitch> not that I'm aware of
[09:21] <dholbach> ajmitch: ok
[09:21] <ajmitch> but there's so many people around now that I can't be sure :)
[09:21] <ajmitch> ah well, another one to throw on the sync pile
[09:23] <zakame> so, how do I say in the wiki or in launchpad that I might be working on a particular package, re: like adopting it in debian?
[09:24] <dholbach> first you hvae to change it in the package itself
[09:24] <dholbach> you set the Maintainer part of it and upload it
[09:25] <zakame> I gather I need to sign up to REVU before I upload
[09:26] <dholbach> REVU is just the place where we upload the packages that we want to have reviewed
[09:26] <dholbach> non-MOTUs use it to let somebody sponsor their upload
[09:26] <dholbach> (so they can check before)
[09:26] <dholbach> for NEW packages we follow the http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackagesPolicy
[09:27] <dholbach> (which means 2 other people have to approve it, before it gets in)
[09:27] <dholbach> the other place we upload to, is the build daemons of ubuntu itself
[09:27] <dholbach> but therefore you need to be in the keyring
[09:28] <dholbach> we only set the maintainer part if we REALLY REALLY REALLY want to maintain the package, so 1) get new releases in, 2) fix bugs, 3) get thrashing if something breaks, 4) listen to whining users, ...
[09:28] <dholbach> :)
[09:29] <dholbach> so you should think twice before you change the maintainer part - if you get a new package in yourself it's a different matter - it requires you to be the maintainer
[09:30] <zakame> dholbach, yes, the joys and woes of a Debian maintainer
[09:30] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs <-- down to 495 open ;)
[09:31] <dholbach> we don't have the BML in ubuntu, and i think it's a good thing
[09:31] <dholbach> (big maintainer lock)
[09:31] <dholbach> so no NMUs
[09:31] <zakame> that's good
[09:32] <dholbach> yeah
[09:32] <ajmitch> it's moving away from that in debian
[09:32] <zakame> hence every universe packages gets checked twice(?): One by the uploader, then another by the reviewer
[09:32] <ajmitch> with team maintenance
[09:32] <ajmitch> zakame: every new universe package
[09:33] <ajmitch> that much overhead for everyday fixing would cripple us
[09:33] <jsgotangco> don't let zakame in, he'll spam you guys all day
[09:33] <jsgotangco> hehehe
[09:33] <ajmitch> dholbach: btw I have pwlib fix for you to test
[09:33] <dholbach> every NEW NEW NEW :)
[09:33] <dholbach> ajmitch: excellent
[09:33] <zakame> jsgotangco, waah! :))
[09:38] <dholbach> Burgundavia: the fridge is not announced yet
[09:39] <Treenaks> dholbach: there is some "buzz" about it though :)
[09:40] <dholbach> i was referring to corey's blog entry
[09:41] <ajmitch> dholbach: jdub hasn't exactly been quiet about it :)
[09:41] <dholbach> no, not really
[09:41] <ajmitch> he's been only jokingly secretive about it :)
[09:42] <robitaille> it is jdub who decided to post about it in sounder...
[09:42] <dholbach> ah ok
[09:42] <ajmitch> with 'ssshhh' & a footnote pointing to it
[09:42] <robitaille> that's the one.
[09:42] <dholbach> i thought he'd make the announce BIG :)
[09:43] <robitaille> the hope is probably to ramp up the content using the sounder people has the initial input seed
[09:43] <robitaille> at least that's my guess
[09:44] <ajmitch> dholbach: can you check http://ajmitch.dyndns.win.co.nz/debuild/ubuntu/reviews/pwlib.debdiff ?
[09:44] <ajmitch> I haven't done the upgrade check that's required yet
[09:44] <ajmitch> but I'm about 75% sure it'll work ;)
[09:55] <dholbach> *CRY* the autobuild started again and the information has gone
[09:55] <ajmitch> all the old logs are gone?
[09:55] <ajmitch> how long does the test rebuild take?
[09:55] <dholbach> days
[09:56] <ajmitch> so not soon enough to be really useful for release
[09:56] <dholbach> i mean the information is "there"
[09:56] <dholbach> but not agreggated
[10:09] <Burgundavia> dholbach, the forums are already talking about it
[10:09] <dholbach> ok :)
[10:09] <dholbach> wasn't aware of the overall news coverage ;-)
[10:12] <spayne> Burgundavia: morning
[10:12] <spayne> dholbach: morning as well
[10:14] <dholbach> hi spayne
[10:19] <lazyb0y> hi!
[10:19] <ajmitch> hello
[10:19] <zakame> hello lazyb0y
[10:20] <ajmitch> Lathiat: ping
[10:21] <Lathiat> pong
[10:21] <ajmitch> Lathiat: avahi 0.5 pls
[10:21] <Lathiat> waiting on ross, i emailed him earlier
[10:22] <ajmitch> poke him a few more times
[10:27] <spayne> hmm - i'm trying to package up pyvnc2swf
[10:27] <spayne> but the source code is already compiled in python
[10:27] <spayne> so do i just need somethign in debian/rules for install?
[10:28] <dholbach> you might want to look at another python package
[10:28] <dholbach> just   apt-get source   it
[10:28] <spayne> serpentine?
[10:28] <spayne> smeg?
[10:31] <spayne> what is the command to rebuild a package btw?
[10:33] <spayne> in smeg, i can't see what tells the debhelper to do
[10:33] <spayne> there is no makefile
[10:34] <spayne> and there is nothing of any signifcance in debian/rules
[10:34] <Lathiat> goto www.debian.org, in the new maintainer section of the developer section
[10:34] <spayne> yes, i am on http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide
[10:34] <spayne> but that ain't help
[10:35] <Lathiat> read it :)
[10:35] <spayne> dholbach suggested i look at another python package (which seems a good idea)
[10:35] <spayne> but there is no makefile for smeg!
[10:36] <spayne> there is a setup.py
[10:36] <spayne> Lathiat: with the package i'm trying to package (pyvnc2swf), the python code is already compiled in the source, it just needs to be installed
[10:38] <\sh> gnarf
[10:38] <spayne> ?
[10:38] <\sh> which version of real player is in multiverse?
[10:38] <spayne> good question - it is like version 8 which asks you to download a bin file IIRC \sh
[10:38] <Lathiat> ahhh, just had 5x200GB sata drives delivered to me :)
[10:40] <spayne> can anyone suggest another package which might be easier to try
[10:41] <spayne> for a new package whos attempts have failed
[10:41] <spayne> \sh: any ideas?
[10:42] <\sh> spayne: hmm...give me a clue...from unmetdeps or something else? do u intent to package a new one?
[10:43] <spayne> i'd like to package a new one
[10:43] <ajmitch> hey \sh
[10:43] <spayne> \sh: well, you tell me. i want to help with packaging and where is the best place to start?
[10:47] <\sh> spayne: well...do you want to package some kde stuff? ,-)
[10:47] <\sh> spayne: I have a bunch of easy ones...kde kwin styles and themes etc
[10:48] <\sh> spayne: I took them over from the former maintainer...he doesn't have interesst anymore
[10:48] <\sh> spayne: and they're sitting on my harddrive since a couple of months
[10:48] <\sh> spayne: and waiting to be renewed :)
[10:49] <spayne> well - i'm a GNOME guy
[10:50] <spayne> \sh: but if there is nothing else, sure, i could give it a go
[10:51] <\sh> spayne: I'm a kde guy and doing as well gnome stuff...
[10:52] <spayne> \sh: be back soon - going for breakfast
[11:05] <spayne> \sh: back
[11:06] <spayne> \sh: i'll give it a bash - if it is easy :)
[11:07] <spayne> \sh: just tell me what to do :)
[11:15] <spayne> \sh: ping
[11:16] <ajmitch> ogra: favour to ask - can I break UVF for some of my debian packages (release in a few hours, mainly bugfixes) :)
[11:17] <ogra> ajmitch, if they dont break other stuff etc... you know the rules of thumb ;)
[11:17] <ajmitch> ogra: I just feel bad granting myself freeze exceptions  ;)
[11:18] <ogra> heh, doit :)
[11:18] <ajmitch> though I have to do that for f-spot once I see the release (was meant to be today)
[11:23] <spayne> back
[11:26] <spayne> \sh: are you still away?
[11:28] <\sh> spayne: pong
[11:28] <spayne> \sh: i will try my best - will i need to install KDE?
[11:29] <\sh> spayne: http://debian.neo.pl/wfmh/pool/main/k/ -> the kwin-styles...please check whats in ubuntu and what not, and repackage those things...check as well for new versions of upstream :) thx :)
[11:29] <\sh> spayne: no
[11:29] <spayne> \sh: can i ask you if i get stuck
[11:29] <\sh> spayne: pbuilder and breezy chroot is enough :) if you have to test the packages...do it in a chroot with kde-build-deps  installed :)
[11:29] <\sh> spayne: sure
[11:31] <spayne> \sh: hmm - there are no packages called kwin-style or kwin-decor in ubuntu
[11:36] <\sh> spayne: check e.g. for baghira
[11:36] <spayne> \sh: should there be?
[11:36] <\sh> apt-cache search baghira
[11:36] <\sh> spayne: some
[11:37] <\sh> take the names without kwin-styles ;)
[11:37] <spayne> got it :-)
[11:37] <\sh> and search for them
[11:37] <spayne> there ain't one called activeheart
[11:40] <spayne> \sh: is this right, i download the .dsc, .tar.gz file manually from neo.pl and then adjust them?
[11:47] <spayne> \sh: or should i add the apt source to my sources.list?
[11:47] <\sh> spayne: no sources list adjustment...
[11:47] <spayne> so, which bits do i need?
[11:47] <\sh> spayne: download the .dsc, orig..tar.gz, and .diff.gz
[11:48] <spayne> if i do it right, will they go into universe?
[11:48] <\sh> spayne: but check first if there are new upstream versions of those packages (upstream == real upstream, you'll find informations in debian/copyright)
[11:48] <\sh> spayne: and sometimes those packages are horrible packaged, so sometimes it's good to package them from scratch
[11:49] <\sh> spayne: and lipstik e.g. is already in ubuntu ;)
[11:49] <spayne> \sh: there is no diff.gz
[11:50] <\sh> spayne: ok...so please repackage them to have .orig.tar.gz and diff.gz...he made I think only native packages :(
[11:50] <\sh> infinito: ping
[11:50] <\sh> infinito: Error: You don't have permission to write in the selected directory
[11:50] <\sh> install -D -m 0644 debian/gcfilms/usr/share/gcfilms/icons/gcfilms_logo128.png \ debian/gcfilms/usr/share/pixmaps/gcfilms.png
[11:50] <\sh> install: cannot stat `debian/gcfilms/usr/share/gcfilms/icons/gcfilms_logo128.png': No such file or directorymake: *** [install]  Error 1
[11:50] <infinito> \sh: which version are you using?
[11:50] <\sh> infinito: pbuilder output of gcfilms-5.3-2
[11:50] <spayne> \sh: where do i get the upstream from (kwin-activeheart)
[11:51] <\sh> infinito: the one from debian unstable
[11:51] <infinito> \sh: yesterday 5.3-3 was uploaded, it's supposed to fix that problem
[11:51] <\sh> spayne: check debian/copyright
[11:51] <infinito> \sh: take a look here: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gcfilms/
[11:51] <\sh> infinito: well...I can't sync it when it's not in unstable
[11:52] <\sh>     * testing (x11): 5.3-2
[11:52] <\sh>       Binary packages: gcfilms
[11:52] <\sh>     * unstable (x11): 5.3-2
[11:52] <\sh>       Binary packages: gcfilms
[11:52] <\sh> so 5.3-3 is somewhere else..and not in the archives ;)
[11:52] <spayne> \sh: kde-look.org
[11:52] <ajmitch> it takes a little while to seep through the system :)
[11:52] <ajmitch> debian isn't as fast as ubuntu, remember
[11:52] <\sh> spayne: ok...check there ;)
[11:52] <\sh> ajmitch: that's what I said ;)
[11:52] <infinito> \sh: well, maybe the cron job that makes the package appear on packages.debian.org hasn't run yet
[11:53] <ajmitch> \sh: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gcfilms/
[11:53] <ajmitch> it's in the archive
[11:53] <infinito> and the bugs opened about that problem are now closed
[11:54] <spayne> \sh: will skip activeheart, can't find it
[11:55] <spayne> \sh: there are only RPMs available
[11:57] <spayne> \sh: but for kwin-decor-akdc, thee is a diff.gz, .dsc as well as the .orig.tar.gz
[11:59] <spayne> \sh: sorry to ask but how do i apply the .diff.gz to the .orig.tar.gz
[12:01] <infinito> dpkg-source -x blablabla.dsc
[12:04] <spayne> infinito: the package is currently called kwin-decor-akdc but for ubuntu, it needs to be kwin-akdc, what do i need to do>
[12:05] <infinito> you have to edit the debian/control file
[12:05] <spayne> and rename the folder?
[12:06] <spayne> would the maintainer be me or the debian guy>
[12:06] <infinito> the folder should be named packagename-version
[12:06] <infinito> if you are going to maintain this package, the maintainer is you
[12:07] <spayne> does the changelog need to say something like "rebuilt for ubuntu"?
[12:08] <infinito> yes
[12:08] <spayne> this is fun :)
[12:13] <spayne> if the debian version is kwin-decor-akdc-1.0a, would the ubuntu name be kwin-akdc_1.0-ubuntu1?
[12:22] <siretart> ogra: my girlfriends want to deploy edubuntu in a school environment, and would like to test it. which release should I give her?
[12:22] <spayne> i don't think i can do this
[12:22] <siretart> ogra: preview or colony5 (if there is any?)
[12:22] <spayne> i don't think i'm capable :-(
[12:22] <spayne> what the hell goes into debian/rules
[12:22] <ogra> siretart, the saturday release should be fine
[12:23] <ogra> (if its still online)
[12:23] <spayne> do i use the one from kwin-baghira (ubuntu) or the one from the Debian package?
[12:23] <siretart> ogra: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/ this one?
[12:23] <ogra> siretart, for every release after that, first look at the report.html in the download dir
[12:23] <ogra> current is todays
[12:23] <siretart> hm
[12:24] <spayne> infinito: ping
[12:24] <spayne> \sh: ping
[12:24] <siretart> saturday is not available anymore
[12:24] <ogra> siretart, does she want to demonstrate ltsp ?
[12:24] <siretart> ogra: she wants to make a "zulassungsarbeit" about deploying it in a "realschule"
[12:24] <ogra> s/demonstrate/test
[12:25] <siretart> ogra: ltsp would be very fine if implementable in that classroom. we don't now yet what hardware they exactly have
[12:25] <ogra> if its only for standalone machines, you should be fine with every release there...
[12:25] <siretart> But I'm very confident, they have decent hardware
[12:25] <ogra> (type "workstation" at ther CD bootprompt)
[12:26] <siretart> okay. thanks
[12:26] <siretart> If report.html is empty then everything is ok, I assume, yes?
[12:26] <siretart> empty = no listed packges
[12:26] <ogra> additionally, if you got a breezy CD around, just install edubuntu-desktop on breezy, its the same ;)
[12:26] <siretart> okay. thanks
[12:26] <ogra> yup
[12:27] <ogra> funny... yesterdays ppc iso was 704 (and exploded) todays is 703... i didnt change anything ...
[12:27] <ogra> (MB that is)
[12:28] <siretart> yay for deterministic software :)
[12:30] <spayne> is anyone willing to get a new guy some help?
[12:34] <infinito> spacey: whats up?
[12:35] <spayne> infinito: can you give me a hand?
[12:35] <infinito> spacey: i'll try
[12:35] <spayne> infinito: i'm not spacey, i'm spayne
[12:35] <spayne> :)
[12:35] <infinito> sorry
[12:36] <infinito> autocompletion feature of xchat...
[12:36] <spayne> infinito: i have kwin-akdc ready (I think) to give it a build
[12:37] <spayne> infinito: what do i run? under pbuilder? or not?
[12:37] <infinito> spayne: first try with dpkg-buildpackage
[12:37] <infinito> spacey: if it works, try with pbuilder
[12:37] <infinito> i did it again....
[12:38] <infinito> sorry
[12:39] <spayne> ;)
[12:40] <spayne> hmm - it wants libqt3-i18n kdebase-dev (>= 3.2.2) kdelibs4-dev (>= 3.2.2) kwin (>= 3.2.2) but i don't want to install those (i'm running GNOME)
[12:40] <infinito> if you want to build a kde package, you must have kde-dev libs installed
[12:40] <infinito> or build on pbuilder, whatever u want
[12:40] <spayne> but if i do it in pbuilder, do i need to install them on my system?
[12:40] <spayne> sounds good
[12:41] <infinito> install pbuilder and run pdebuild inside the dir
[12:42] <spayne> thanls
[12:42] <spayne> s/thanls/thanks
[12:50] <spayne> pbuilder is just busy downloading stuff
[12:51] <infinito> spayne: it takes a while
[01:15] <spayne|> anyone around
[01:16] <Yagisan> yep
[01:20] <Yagisan> spayne|: What did you want ?
[01:21] <spayne|> lookin' for BenC
[01:40] <infinito> \sh: ping?
[01:40] <StrikeForce> Can anyone tell me where the equivalent to boot.log is named in ubuntu?
[01:41] <StrikeForce> not where but what I should say
[01:41] <\sh> infinito: pong
[01:41] <ogra_> StrikeForce, /var/log7dmesg
[01:41] <ogra_> err s/7/\//
[01:42] <infinito> \sh: altought gcilfms 5.3-3 doesn't appers on packages.debian.org, is installable on unstable/testing via apt
[01:42] <StrikeForce> hmmm
[01:42] <StrikeForce> can't find it
[01:42] <\sh> infinito: I'm testing it just now
[01:42] <StrikeForce> I can find the file just not the error
[01:42] <infinito> \sh: oh, sorry
[01:42] <spayne> \sh: i'm still having 'fun'
[01:43] <StrikeForce> is anyone getting the error on alsa when it shuts down saying alsa stop is deprecated please use alsa-utils?
[01:49] <\sh> infinito: ok...is building fine here
[01:49] <infinito> \sh: great
[01:50] <infinito> \sh: so it will get synced?
[01:51] <\sh> 13:51 < \sh> elmo: please sync gcfilms_5.3-3 from debian unstable (universe that is) thx
[01:52] <\sh> ajmitch: I requested two syncs today...so if it's not synced tomorrow ;) I'll write a mail ;)
[01:53] <ajmitch> but I've got most of my debian packages needing updated & synced again soon
[01:55] <infinito> \sh: thanks a lot
[01:57] <infinito> \sh: just one more question, but we have to do when we release new versions? ask for sync again?
[01:57] <\sh> no most of the untouched stuff from debian is synced automatically.
[01:57] <\sh> infinito: for breezy: after release the universe is frozen..so new packages are going into dapper
[01:58] <\sh> infinito: or updated debian source packages
[01:58] <spayne> help! pbuilder --create fails EVERY SINGLE TIME and it takes ages to start again
[01:58] <spayne> the error i get is:
[01:58] <spayne> Failed to fetch cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Preview i386 (20050908)] /dists/breezy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs
[01:58] <spayne> Failed to fetch cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Preview i386 (20050908)] /dists/breezy/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs
[01:58] <spayne> Reading package lists... Done
[01:58] <spayne> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[01:58] <spayne>  -> Aborting with an error
[01:58] <spayne>  -> unmounting dev/pts filesystem
[01:58] <spayne>  -> unmounting proc filesystem
[01:58] <spayne>  -> cleaning the build env
[01:58] <spayne>     -> removing directory /var/cache/pbuilder/build//8738 and its subdirectories
[01:58] <StrikeForce> if I submit a bug do I get cc'd on any post backs to it?
[01:59] <Treenaks> spayne: your sources.list is broken, it seems :)
[01:59] <Treenaks> StrikeForce: yes
[01:59] <dholbach> StrikeForce: yes
[01:59] <StrikeForce> dholbach, you got my message the other day?
[01:59] <\sh> cdrom is not correct in your sources list
[01:59] <dholbach> StrikeForce: about istanbul? yes
[01:59] <StrikeForce> dholbach, yesterday I think re istanbul?
[01:59] <StrikeForce> dholbach, ok sweet no worries I'm liking it hey :) using all over the place its like my new toy
[01:59] <spayne> i have just removed the cdrom
[02:00] <dholbach> StrikeForce: where was it again? it's not in the archive yet
[02:00] <\sh> spayne: u have to adjust the /etc/pbuilder/apt.conf/sources.list
[02:00] <\sh> spayne: and recreate
[02:00] <StrikeForce> dholbach, I got it from my email someone trying to get a sponsor
[02:01] <StrikeForce> dholbach, its not there yet however if you look under the mailing list of debian-mentors it should be linked there
[02:01] <spayne> \sh: what needs adjusting in  /etc/pbuilder/apt.conf/sources.list
[02:01] <dholbach> StrikeForce: you don't happen to have the link?
[02:01] <\sh> spayne: the cdrom line...it should be removed...
[02:01] <StrikeForce> dholbach, I'm having a look for you now :)
[02:01] <dholbach> super
[02:01] <\sh> spayne: and input the correct network ones
[02:01] <\sh> spayne: you followed the pbuilder howto on our wiki?
[02:02] <spayne> yes
[02:02] <StrikeForce> dholbach, http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2005/09/msg00480.html there ya go :)
[02:03] <dholbach> merci beaucoup
[02:03] <dholbach> StrikeForce: we have 0.1.1 too
[02:03] <dholbach> StrikeForce: but i'll have a look at it, if it contains other patches or something
[02:04] <ajmitch> dholbach: diff.gz seems to mostly be config.* mess :)
[02:04] <ajmitch> +This manual page was written by Daniel Holbach dh@mailempfang.de for
[02:04] <ajmitch> hm
[02:04] <ajmitch> I recognise that name from somewhere
[02:04] <StrikeForce> dholbach, yup no worries just thought you should know about it I haven't had a look at it.  More feedback than anything else :)
[02:05] <dholbach> thank you :)
[02:05] <StrikeForce> afk I'm tired trying to figure where the bugs where today with totem :(
[02:21] <spayne> YES! pbuilder is working now
[02:21] <spayne> thanks \sh
[02:26] <spayne> bollox
[02:26] <spayne> it failed again
[02:26] <spayne> touch: cannot touch `/var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp': No such file or directory
[02:28] <infinito_away> spayne: rm /etc/pbuiler/apt.conf/99update-notifier, i think that solve it...
[02:28] <\sh> spayne: /etc/pbuilder/apt.conf/ <- the 99update-notifier should be removed..it's written in the howto
[02:28] <spayne> this is going to take me the REST of the day
[02:29] <spayne> \sh: it ain't in PbuilderHowto on the wiki
[02:29] <dholbach> spayne: it is
[02:29] <spayne> just found it
[02:30] <\sh> spayne: it is ;)
[02:30] <spayne> is there any quick way
[02:30] <spayne> or do i have to wait another 30 min for the things to download
[02:31] <Nafallo> they should be cached locally now...
[02:31] <\sh> spayne: in the beginning there were problems but after you achieved the goal to setup everything, your life is much better ;)
[02:31] <spayne> so, i need to run pbuilder create --distribution breezy again?
[02:32] <\sh> spayne: to be shure yes ;) to be kewl: run update
[02:32] <\sh> run pbuilder update --overwrite-config
[02:33] <spayne> "I: Retrieving Packages"
[02:33] <spayne> no, this is the long bit "I: Checking component main on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu..."
[02:36] <\sh> spayne: u don't do the hoary builder right? You can go directly on breezy ,-)
[02:37] <spayne> i know
[02:37] <spayne> sudo pbuilder create --distribution breezy
[02:38] <Nafallo> \sh: change the howto then ;-)
[02:39] <spayne> shall i change it
[02:39] <spayne> from hoary to breezy?
[02:40] <Surak> Hello people
[02:43] <\sh> spayne: no..leave it until release ;)
[02:44] <spayne> \sh: i feel like i'm trying to win a loosing battle :-(
[02:46] <dholbach> spayne: don't worry... it just takes a bit of time to get used to all of it
[02:48] <\sh> spayne: nobody is perfect...I was also loosing a battle during my first days...believe me..
[03:03] <dredg> morning
[03:04] <dholbach> dredg: !!!
[03:04] <dholbach> GOOD MORNING
[03:04] <dredg> hey dholbach
[03:04] <dholbach> long time no see
[03:04] <spayne|> YES! pbuilder is working
[03:04] <dholbach> man, how are you?
[03:04] <dholbach> spayne: ROCK :)
[03:04] <dredg> i'm good. really really good. started new job on monday
[03:04] <dholbach> oh super!
[03:04] <dholbach> PARTY! :)
[03:04] <spayne|> bollox - i need 77mb of packages just to build a Kwin extension
[03:05] <spayne|> \sh: why did you give me a hard one
[03:05] <dredg> :)
[03:05] <dholbach> spayne: it'll store those packages
[03:05] <spayne|> and it will fail
[03:05] <dholbach> spayne: so don't worry
[03:05] <spayne|> will it? thanks goodness
[03:05] <dredg> it's a scary place. i have no idea what the hell i'm doing :)
[03:05] <dholbach> spayne: with sudo pbuilder update - you update the package list of pbuilder
[03:05] <dholbach> dredg: that sounds perfectly normal
[03:05] <dholbach> ;)
[03:06] <dredg> :)
[03:06] <dholbach> ok... i'm off for lunch
[03:06] <dholbach> see you guys
[03:06] <dredg> later
[03:07] <StrikeForce> later
[03:07] <Surak> see you
[03:12] <dredg> current sid: 1.2.8, current breezy: 1.1.0 and a user (my boss) reports that the script to create a new list doesn't work
[03:13] <dredg> and uh, the last sync appears to have been last december
[03:13] <dredg> any objections to me requesting a sync?
[03:25] <spayne|> i will be amazed if this works!
[03:26] <\sh> dredg: u tested the package?
[03:27] <\sh> dredg: dredg the new one i mean...1.2.8-7
[03:28] <dredg> \sh: it has been tested
[03:29] <spayne|> where do the packages go when built by pbuilder?
[03:29] <tseng>  /var/cache/pbuilder/result
[03:29] <spayne|> yeh! i haev soem working packages
[03:29] <spayne|> \sh: :-)
[03:29] <spayne|> tseng: yo
[03:30] <tseng> hi.
[03:30] <spayne|> how's it going?
[03:30] <tseng> alright, thanks.
[03:30] <spayne|> tseng: i'm trying to package some stuff for universe :-0
[03:30] <tseng> cool
[03:30] <\sh> spayne|: which one?
[03:31] <spayne|> kwin-akdc
[03:31] <spayne|> i need to lintain it
[03:31] <\sh> kewl...
[03:31] <spayne|> \sh: how do i add the -ubuntu1 think onto it?
[03:31] <\sh> upload it to revu if you finished the package :)
[03:31] <\sh> spayne|: in the changelog version ;)
[03:31] <\sh> -0ubuntu1
[03:31] <\sh> spayne|: u checked for new upstream sources?
[03:31] <spayne|> i'm not a member of anything - does that matter
[03:31] <spayne|> \sh: this is the latest IIRC
[03:32] <dredg> \sh: it's an odd one, i'm not sure how it was skipped over during the syncs, but yes the debian upstream version works as expected
[03:32] <spayne|> \sh: i am a Ubuntutite IIRC
[03:32] <\sh> spayne|: so, upload to revu :)
[03:33] <spayne|> lintain gave no errors :-)
[03:34] <spayne|> nor does linda :-)
[03:35] <spayne|> \sh: in the control file, does that make me the maintainer?
[03:37] <spayne|> \sh: this is a weird pakage
[03:38] <spayne|> \sh: the ftp site you have me has a link to http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=12330
[03:38] <\sh> spayne|: sure...
[03:38] <spayne|> \sh: which says the newest version is beta 3
[03:38] <spayne|> \sh: but if i search for akdc on kde-look.org, there seem to be newer packages but by different people
[03:38] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:39] <spayne|> bddebian: i made my first package :)
[03:40] <\sh> spayne|: doesn't matter..1.0 was the version I catched now for kde 3.2
[03:40] <spayne|> so is the 1.0 i got here fine?
[03:40] <\sh> spayne|: I think so
[03:41] <spayne|> \sh: it might not be too good - i hope i don't break revu or anything
[03:41] <\sh> spayne|: if you're unsure, ask the upstream maintainer rafael -> email: jrch99 (at) cantv.net
[03:41] <spayne|> i can't install it as non of my machines have KDE on
[03:41] <\sh> spayne|: we will have a look at it :) don't worry...u have a signed key and uploaded to the keyservers? or do u have actually a revu account?
[03:41] <spayne|> don't have a revu account
[03:42] <spayne|> i had a GPG key (i think(
[03:42] <\sh> spayne|: build a chroot of breezy and dchroot -c breezy -d in it...you can use your xserver for displaying ;)
[03:42] <\sh> spayne|: ok..give me your gpg key id
[03:42] <bddebian> spayne|: Awesome congrats!  You know more than me now! ;-)
[03:42] <spayne|> i haven't used it for 5 months - before breezy so i don't know where it is
[03:43] <\sh> spayne|: how did u sign the CoC?
[03:43] <spayne|> with that key!
[03:43] <\sh> spayne|: so u should have it...
[03:44] <spayne|> i think it is 1024D/AE84E9F9 (from pgp.mit.edu)
[03:44] <spayne|> i'm installing Seahorse to look at it
[03:44] <\sh> spayne|: uh...u don't have the secret key for this anymore?
[03:44] <spayne|> i have the feeling not
[03:44] <spayne|> maybe i should make a new key....
[03:45] <\sh> this is bad :(
[03:45] <\sh> spayne|: so u need to sign it first :)
[03:45] <spayne|> sign what?
[03:46] <\sh> spayne|: the key
[03:46] <spayne|> i will just make a new key
[03:46] <\sh> it must be a signed key, to sign the CoC and
[03:46] <\sh> spayne|: to have it in revu
[03:47] <spayne|> \sh: how can i get it signed?
[03:47] <\sh> spayne|: www.biglumber.com and search for your city..try to reach someone from the list there...who can sign your key :)
[03:47] <\sh> spayne|: or do u know some debian / ubuntu devs in your area?
[03:47] <spayne|> hmm - can i not sign it myself
[03:47] <tseng> it should be easy in england
[03:48] <Treenaks> spayne|: your key is self-signed.. I hope
[03:48] <Treenaks> spayne|: but you need signatures from others to verify that you are who you say you are (this is the abridged version)
[03:48] <\sh> spayne|: self signature it's as must, yes, but it's not enough :)
[03:48] <\sh> it's a must ,)
[03:48] <\sh> spayne|: where are you living?
[03:49] <spayne|> Newcastle upon Tyne, North East of England
[03:50] <\sh> Richard Patterson Newcastle Upon Tyne, England ?
[03:50] <\sh> this guy you can try to reach
[03:50] <\sh> http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?ev=34919;qh=2428
[03:51] <spayne|> \sh: i'd be a bit wary to talking to be a person i have never met before :-)
[03:52] <\sh> spayne|: well...this is the magic behind opensource
[03:52] <\sh> spayne|: mail him, ask him to meet and sign...he is on this list, because he can help you
[03:52] <\sh> spayne|: don't be shy
[03:53] <spayne|> \sh: i'm not shy - just i'm only 16 and a bit wary of strangers
[03:53] <\sh> spayne|: well...u have an elder brother/sister?
[03:53] <spayne|> \sh: not alive
[03:53] <Nafallo> he's not a stranger. he has a gpg-key :-).
[03:54] <spayne|> \sh: does it have to be a GPG guy? i know plenty of people who know what they are talking about with computers (but not Linux)
[03:54] <\sh> spayne|: it would be good to have a known signature...in the strong set
[03:54] <spayne|> \sh: i understand
[03:55] <janimo> bddebian, ping you a sylpheed user?
[03:55] <bddebian> janimo: No sorry.  What's the deal?
[03:56] <janimo> bddedbian, I saw you requested it to be synced from debian a while ago
[03:56] <janimo> i think
[03:56] <avalost> is this the place to request packages & whatnot?
[03:56] <\sh> spayne|: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?pk=DF1D7291AB36ABC10135D98B271EF927D05A60EA <- this is the guy
[03:56] <bddebian> janimo: Yes
[03:57] <janimo> so I thaught you could tell me whether it's any good ;)
[03:57] <janimo> I am trying to think of the default mailer for xubuntu
[03:57] <bddebian> Oh, no, sorry
[03:57] <janimo> thunderbird or sylpheed
[03:57] <janimo> ok thanks
[03:57] <\sh> spayne|: and he is in the strong set
[03:57] <\sh> http://keyserver.kjsl.com/~jharris/gpgwww.cgi?to=D05A60EA&from=C098EFA8 <- the way from my key to his key
[04:05] <spayne> i might have a solution
[04:05] <spayne> bbl
[04:07] <bddebian> janimo: I use Mozilla Mail ;-P
[04:15] <ivoks> hi guys
[04:16] <Surak> :-)
[04:17] <siretart> huhu ivoks :)
[04:18] <ivoks> don't get any funny ideas :)
[04:18] <lifeless> night all
[04:18] <ivoks> bddebian: conflict with seb128? congrats :)
[04:34] <spayne> dholbach: so, what is a notary?
[04:34] <dholbach> not a lawyer, but somebody you can contact for more mundane things
[04:35] <dholbach> he can make sure that you are you and give you piece of paper showing that
[04:35] <dholbach> you need it, if you can't meet somebody in the real world with a key
[04:35] <dholbach> but it's all on UnsignedGpgKeys
[04:36] <spayne> who do i send it to (by post)?
[04:37] <dholbach> would you please read that wiki page
[04:37] <dholbach> it's on there, you have to talk to the CC
[04:37] <spayne> i have read Solution #2
[04:37] <dholbach> yes
[04:37] <spayne> how do i talk to the CC?
[04:37] <dholbach> community council
[04:37] <dholbach> but did you check biglumber or the debian new maintainers site?
[04:38] <spayne> yes and yes
[04:38] <dholbach> where do you live? :)
[04:38] <spayne> England, North East
[04:38] <dholbach> and we have nobody there?
[04:38] <spayne> correct
[04:38] <dholbach> wow
[04:39] <spayne> there is a person from biglumber but i'm not meeting somone i have never known before
[04:39] <ogra_> spayne, but thats why he is on biglumber
[04:39] <ogra_> he wants to meet people to sign...
[04:39] <ogra_> even if he doesnt know you
[04:39] <spayne> ogra_: i'm sorry but i won't go wander off (my mother won't let me) to someone i have never met
[04:40] <dholbach> that's a problem then
[04:40] <ogra_> spayne, not even to meet in a cafe ?
[04:40] <dholbach> i guess you should take the issue to the community council
[04:40] <ogra_> you dont need to visit him at home
[04:40] <spayne> ogra_: i'm not completely stupid :)
[04:41] <hubW> dholbach: so you would need to have my key signed?
[04:42] <dredg> reminds me, i have a pile of keys to sign
[04:42] <dholbach> hubW: yeah, if you want to be a MOTU and upload to the archive, you have to have a key signed
[04:42] <dholbach> hubW: by somebody in the closely connected set
[04:42] <ogra_> hubW, just pester jbailey ;)
[04:42] <hubW> ogra_: or brad
[04:43] <ogra_> yup
[04:43] <dholbach> ogra_: he only signs keys whit people he has met twice :)
[04:43] <ogra_> or wait for UBZ
[04:43] <dholbach> ogra_: jbailey that is :)
[04:43] <hubW> dholbach: so we meet at UBZ, I show you my ID and you sign my key?
[04:43] <spayne> well, my package will have to stay here
[04:43] <spayne> nothing can be done
[04:43] <dholbach> hubW: yeah, and vice versa
[04:43] <hubW> dholbach: brad is also in Mtl
[04:43] <ogra_> dholbach, do you think meeting on IRC counts as 1 ? ;)
[04:43] <dholbach> hubW: that will be brilliant
[04:43] <hubW> dholbach: and I actuall had diner with brad
[04:43] <dholbach> ogra_: no it doesnt, i asked him :)
[04:44] <dholbach> hubW: bradb is fine too :)
[04:44] <hubW> seb128, jdub and probably other people met me before
[04:44] <ogra_> hubW, we'll have a keysigning party at UBZ.... it will catapult you directly in the top 1000 ;)
[04:45] <Tonio-> hi everyone
[04:45] <dholbach> hubW: have a nice day
[04:45] <hubW> I have some AbiWord bugs to fix and today is NDF
[04:46] <hubW> my machine is faster there
[04:48] <Tonio-> dholbach: hi, can I ask for a favor ?
[04:49] <dholbach> fire away, Tonio-
[04:50] <bddebian> Heya ivoks.  Congrats on pissing off someone??? :-)
[04:51] <\sh> bddebian: ???
[04:53] <siretart> dholbach: does UBZ count as 6 times (since 6 days?) ;)
[04:53] <dholbach> no, UDU didn't
[04:53] <dholbach> :)
[04:53] <Tonio-> dholbach: Riddell is aparently interessted in seeing kdetv and wlassistant uploaded for breezy, he has revued them and asked me by email to see with guys here for revuing them.....
[04:53] <Tonio-> so I'm asking ;)
[04:54] <Riddell> Tonio-: \sh \sh \sh
[04:54] <Tonio-> okay i'll ask him
[04:54] <Tonio-> sorry Riddell ;)
[04:55] <dholbach> Tonio-: if nobody did so, i#ll do it in the evning, alright?
[04:55] <\sh> I'm going to do some review tonight...men...I have so much on my todo damn
[04:55] <dholbach> \sh: don't worry, i'll do so
[04:55] <Tonio-> dholbach: thanks, sorry I aparently missunderstood Riddell's email ;)
[04:55] <\sh> going how now c u in some minutes :)
[04:56] <Tonio-> \sh: thanks !
[04:56] <ogra_> Riddell, bless you :p
[04:56] <ivoks> bddebian: no, that's normal for seb128 :)
[04:56] <ivoks> yay!
[04:56] <ivoks> from today, new bills from my company will say "Ubuntu Linux installation"
[04:56] <ivoks> instead of "Linux installation"
[04:56] <\sh> ivoks: rock :)
[04:57] <\sh> ok...gone
[04:58] <ivoks> ogra_: ! :)
[04:58] <sivang> hello guys
[04:58] <sivang> what's cracking?
[04:58] <ogra_> ice ?
[04:58] <sivang> hehe :)
[04:59] <sivang> ogra_: can I be considered to MOTU based on my work in main? :-)
[04:59] <ivoks> ogra_: how can i get on planet.ubuntu.com? i talked with jeff, i don't know if he put my atom...
[04:59] <ogra_> ivoks, only jeff can ...
[04:59] <ivoks> ogra_: ok
[04:59] <ogra_> sivang, sure, but you still cant upload before UBZ and the TB needs to approve you
[05:00] <ogra_> (or did you get your key signed by someone else ?)
[05:00] <sivang> ogra_: no prob, I just want to know I'm in :)
[05:00] <sivang> ogra_: not yet, we will have to wait to UBZ
[05:00] <sivang> :-(
[05:01] <ogra_> sivang, indeed youre in... youre aboard since i am... so your experience should be ok... just go on with stuff, fix packages and put them on revu ;)
[05:01] <ivoks> so... udz...
[05:01] <ivoks> maybe i even go to montreal :)
[05:01] <bddebian> Just don't change any strings in .desktop files! ;-P
[05:01] <Surak> :-D
[05:02] <ivoks> ubz even :)
[05:02] <sivang> ogra_: cool oli, will do. I just wish I had more time with my day job currently taking 12hrs of my day..
[05:02] <ivoks> oh, that's tomorrow :)
[05:02] <ivoks> damn... no chance for visa...
[05:03] <ogra_> sivang, hey, that leaves 12h without job, great....
[05:03] <sivang> ogra_: lol :)
[05:03] <ogra_> guys forward your bugs to sivang, he has plenty of time ;)
[05:03] <bddebian> Heh
[05:03] <sivang> ogra_: what about gf, and house moving? (I am in a transition phase)
[05:03] <sivang> :)
[05:03] <sivang> ogra_: lolol
[05:03] <ogra_> extend your day ?
[05:04] <spayne> \sh: shall i continue doing those kwin themes?
[05:04] <sivang> Hmm, let's see:
[05:04] <sivang> from time import day
[05:04] <sivang> day.Extend(daytime*12)
[05:04] <ogra_> *g*
[05:04] <sivang> ops, forgot ident :)
[05:04] <ogra_> python power, yay
[05:06] <sivang> ogra_: so, if you're a MOTU you still need to put packages for review at revu ?
[05:06] <ogra_> sivang, the new stuff...
[05:07] <Tonio-> dholbach: if you spend a little time on revu tonight, can you have a look at this -> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=316
[05:07] <ogra_> and if you cant upload directly, someone needs to pick them up...
[05:07] <spayne> well, thinks are lookign better
[05:07] <Tonio-> supposed to have been uploaded by you, but I can't see it in universe....
[05:07] <spayne> someone who i haven't spoken to for months is a debian developer
[05:07] <spayne> said we can meet up at the weekend
[05:07] <spayne> and he can sign my key :-)
[05:08] <dholbach> Tonio-: will check
[05:08] <dholbach> Tonio-: if you're in a hurry, ask Riddell - i'll check tonight
[05:08] <Tonio-> dholbach: he asked me to see with you :) I assume he doesn't have any time for this....
[05:09] <dholbach> i see
[05:09] <dholbach> i'll make time
[05:09] <dholbach> tonight
[05:09] <Riddell> well I just don't think I can see what's happened to it
[05:09] <ogra_> Tonio-, \sh just said he'll care for your stuff tonight
[05:10] <dholbach> i'll try to upload it again :)
[05:10] <bddebian> Riddell:
[05:10] <bddebian> bdefreese@bdubuntu1:~$ sudo apt-get install kdebindings
[05:10] <bddebian> Reading package lists... Done
[05:10] <bddebian> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:10] <bddebian> Package kdebindings is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:10] <bddebian> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[05:10] <bddebian> is only available from another source
[05:10] <bddebian> E: Package kdebindings has no installation candidate
[05:10] <janimo> ivoks, ubz is not not tomorrow, but in a month
[05:11] <dredg> bah, there's no way i can make ubz
[05:12] <ivoks> janimo: right :)
[05:12] <Riddell> bddebian: spooky, let me look into it
[05:13] <ivoks> hm, that changes everything :)
[05:13] <dredg> i'm in california from 16th oct - 12th nov. i should make the next developer summit though
[05:14] <janimo> Riddell, there's no hibernate/sleep option in kde logout dialog right?
[05:14] <Riddell> janimo: that's right
[05:15] <Riddell> bddebian: yep, there's no meta-package for kdebindings
[05:21] <Riddell> spayne: cool, which one?
[05:22] <spayne> Riddell: i'm a new Universe packager and \sh suggested i repackage some kwin styles from debian to ubuntu
[05:22] <spayne> Riddel: although i'm actually a GNOME user ;-)
[05:22] <bddebian> spayne: I can find you some stuff. :-)
[05:22] <spayne> Riddell: i have done kwin-akdc and i'm doing kwin-activeheart
[05:23] <dholbach> repackage?
[05:23] <spayne> bddebian: there is NOTHING i can do until i get my GPG key signed
[05:23] <bddebian> Doh :-(
[05:23] <dholbach> spayne: that's not true
[05:23] <spayne> dholbach: get the debian revision, rebrand it and build it on breezy
[05:23] <spayne> dholbach: what's not true :)
[05:23] <dholbach> you can get uploads sponsored like everybody else did in the beginning
[05:23] <spayne> oh right :)
[05:23] <dholbach> spayne: rebrand it?
[05:23] <bddebian> spayne: Well don't feel bad, I can't do anything RIGHT.. ;-)
[05:24] <Riddell> spayne: what needs rebranding?
[05:24] <spayne> dholbach: change the name to -ubuntu1 and distro to breezy
[05:24] <spayne> rebanding is the wrong name...
[05:24] <spayne> sorry
[05:24] <dholbach> spayne: that's not necessary
[05:24] <Riddell> spayne: are these already in the debian archive?
[05:24] <dholbach> we can just "sync" them from debian
[05:24] <spayne> Riddel: no
[05:24] <spayne> dholbach: no
[05:24] <ogra_> oh, wow, the first post in -users of someone who recognized that unoff. backports is gone :)
[05:24] <dholbach> ah, they're not in the debian archive
[05:25] <dredg> --with-multideath
[05:25] <Riddell> spayne: where are they from?
[05:25] <spayne> Riddell: \sh told me to get them from http://debian.neo.pl/wfmh/pool/main/k/ (which is what i'm doing)
[05:25] <ogra_> dredg, to late, jdong did it himself yesterday
[05:25] <dholbach> dredg: i missed that "in the face" from you
[05:25] <ogra_> only hoary-extras are left
[05:25] <dholbach> dredg: good to have you back
[05:26] <dredg> :)
[05:26] <dredg> dholbach: you'd love it here
[05:26] <spayne> Riddell: i am doing something wrong
[05:26] <bddebian> spayne: You can test any/all gutenprint packages from Debian.  They would be NEW in our archive
[05:26] <dholbach> haha :)
[05:26] <spayne> bddebian: that's right
[05:26] <Riddell> spayne: nope carry on, just make sure they're not already in debian or ubuntu (including in kdeartwork)
[05:26] <spayne> dholbach: can you tell me about the sponsoring thing?
[05:27] <dredg> dholbach: dual 24" TFT is the way of the future
[05:27] <spayne> i don't even know if these work as i don't have KDE installed
[05:27] <bddebian> Bah, where's slomo?? :-)
[05:28] <Riddell> spayne: you will need to make sure they work
[05:28] <dholbach> spayne: it's easy: you do a package or a package change, i (or any other MOTU) signs it and it goes to the archive
[05:28] <spayne> Riddell: can you test them if i mail them to you?
[05:28] <spayne> dholbach: sounds good
[05:29] <Riddell> spayne: nope, you need to do that
[05:30] <bddebian> spayne: Because KDE ROCKS ;-)
[05:30] <dholbach> spayne: that's the problem about getting recruited :)
[05:31] <spayne> bddebian: KDE user?
[05:31] <bddebian> Even though I now run GNOME with Ubuntu and xfce4 on Debian ;-P
[05:31] <bddebian> spayne: I used to be
[05:31] <hubW> bddebian: I switched back to GNOME on Debian
[05:31] <hubW> bddebian: xfce was getting annoying at some point
[05:31] <hubW> bddebian: next time I try KDE
[05:32] <ogra_> KDE is totally immature...
[05:32] <ogra_> at least it was when i tried it last time ...
[05:32] <ogra_> at 1.2
[05:32] <bddebian> hubW: I haven't used the newer KDE lately but I used to really like it.  It's kind of a pig though :-)
[05:32] <hubW> ogra_: 3.x. Each time I try I switch back
[05:32] <hubW> but since people like it, I'm thinking there should be something
[05:33] <hubW> c-ya
[05:33] <ogra_> ciao hubW
[05:33] <Riddell> ogra_: did gnome even exist back then?
[05:33] <ogra_> Riddell, only the panel... half way :)
[05:33] <bddebian> Riddell: IF you figure out kdebindings, can you take a quick peek at Malone #1784?
[05:33] <Surak> ogra_: I tried that time also. Got back to os/2 and presentation manager :-)
[05:33] <bddebian> Ugh
[05:34] <ogra_> no, i must admit was lying i tried Riddell's hoary live CD once and its great :)
[05:34] <ogra_> no reason to swith though :)
[05:34] <bddebian> :-)
[05:35] <Riddell> bddebian: what's to figure out about kdebindings?
[05:36] <bddebian> Riddell: Didn't you say that there was no metapackage?
[05:36] <Lathiat> is there a vim key to drop back an indentaation level
[05:36] <Riddell> bddebian: yes, but you don't need that to fix that problem
[05:36] <Riddell> bddebian: there's still a source package
[05:37] <bddebian> For?
[05:39] <Riddell> bddebian: for the kde ruby bindings
[05:39] <Riddell> korundum or something they're called
[05:39] <Riddell> but kdebindings is the source package
[05:42] <dredg> dholbach: so, how have you been?
[05:42] <bddebian> So I should try to build the kdebindings package?
[05:42] <dholbach> dredg: busy :)
[05:42] <dredg> :)
[05:42] <dredg> how are you finding berlin?
[05:42] <dholbach> dredg: i wrote my thesis, worked a lot, moved here and got working again :)
[05:42] <dholbach> dredg: berlin is awesome
[05:42] <dholbach> dredg: it's the place i always wanted to live in :)
[05:43] <dredg> cool
[05:46] <Riddell> bddebian: yes, kdebindings is the one to build.  I hope you have plenty of CPU
[05:47] <bddebian> Hmm
[05:48] <bddebian> Can I add a metapackage to this or does it need to be a seperate package in itself?
[05:55] <dredg> dholbach: so, you're working and living the dream? :)
[05:56] <dholbach> dredg: yes, i'm quite happy :)
[05:56] <dholbach> dredg: do you have other worries than the pool table? :)
[05:56] <dredg> dholbach: i have no idea what i'm supposed to be doing, and won't for about a month
[05:56] <bddebian> Riddell: Can I add a metapackage inside the kdebindings source package?
[05:57] <dredg> i'm off to california on training in a couple of weeks
[05:57] <dholbach> dredg: any idea, what they will train you?
[05:57] <Riddell> bddebian: is there any need for that?  do people really want to install all the kdebindings packages?
[05:57] <dredg> dholbach: managing servers
[05:57] <dredg> and whatever else needs to be done
[05:58] <dholbach> ah cool
[05:58] <dredg> yeah. i think i'm being assigned to the linux desktop team as well
[05:58] <dredg> but i can work on that anyway whether i'm on the team or not
[05:58] <dholbach> :-D
[05:59] <dredg> it's..different. it's the biggest setup i've probably ever dealt with, and i really have no idea where to start :)
[05:59] <nalioth> howdy y'all
[05:59] <dholbach> hi nalioth
[06:01] <dredg> all i've done so far is read pages of documentation and play foosball :)
[06:02] <dholbach> ahah, sounds brilliant :)
[06:03] <dredg> i have yet to do any *real* work, but i'll get there eventually. apparently it takes 6 months to get up to speed
[06:03] <bddebian> Riddell: I dunno, you're the KDE guy ;-)  If not shouldn't we remove it?
[06:03] <nalioth> bddebian: can you offer me some pointers?
[06:03] <bddebian> Heya nalioth
[06:04] <bddebian> Sorry I have disappeared from NuN :'-(
[06:04] <nalioth> bddebian: yes, your seat of honor is now the porcelain one
[06:04] <bddebian> nalioth: What would you like to know?
[06:04] <bddebian> nalioth: Bah :-(
[06:04] <nalioth> bddebian: would like to put my macs to work packaging something
[06:05] <nalioth> i've noticed on hoary that some pkgs were available as binaries for x86 but not for ppc
[06:05] <bddebian> nalioth: Yes, there are a ton of ppc packages that need love
[06:06] <bddebian> nalioth: Did you look here:? http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/breezy.all.powerpc
[06:06] <nalioth> bddebian: and what exactly is that?
[06:06] <nalioth> holy cow
[06:06] <bddebian> Shows the status of packages for PPC
[06:07] <Riddell> bddebian: well people will want one binding but I don't think they'll want all the bindings
[06:07] <bddebian> Riddell: It's OK to me, I just don't like b0rked packages sitting out there :-)
[06:07] <nalioth> bddebian: do i take it i need to learn the debian process for packaging?
[06:08] <bddebian> nalioth: Nahh :_)
[06:08] <bddebian> nalioth: Yeah, you should probably at least read over the Debian New Maintainers Guide
[06:08] <bddebian> nalioth: There are also some decent wiki pages on Ubuntu
[06:08] <Nafallo> hmm
[06:09] <Nafallo> I'm not sure I've read that document :-P
[06:09] <Nafallo> what's in it? ;-)
[06:09] <Surak> Nafallo: Me either :-)
[06:09] <nalioth> Nafallo: miss july, and you've been lettin her get stale
[06:10] <Nafallo> oh? a chick born in the same month as I? I already got a girlfriend though...
[06:10] <spayne> well, the guy who i thought could help me has moved away from the North East
[06:11] <Nafallo> spacey: just mail the lumberguy :-)
[06:11] <spacey> :o
[06:11] <spacey> tab properly dude :P
[06:12] <bddebian> Nafallo: I didn't say I read it, I said HE should read it. ;-P
[06:12] <Nafallo> spacey: just checking if you're awake ;-)
[06:12] <spacey> ^_^
[06:12] <spacey> i am :)
[06:12] <Nafallo> spayne: just mail the lumberguy :-)
[06:12] <Nafallo> bddebian: hehe
[06:13] <spacey> just keeping you sharp Nafallo
[06:13] <Nafallo> :-)
[06:13] <Nafallo> me... sharp... tsss, we have ubuntu-mono for the sharp stuff :-P.
[06:14] <Surak> hum... MAKEDEV.local is not here. weird.
[06:15] <nalioth> bddebian: ty
[06:26] <Surak> debian-policy recommends me I use MAKEDEV instead of mknod. However, MAKEDEV does not know how to create it, of course How should I proceed? Any hints?
[06:27] <Riddell> bddebian: nothing borked about it
[06:27] <dredg> screw policy, go with what works?
[06:27] <Riddell> except that malone beastie obviously
[06:27] <dredg> note: do not apply the above to inappropriate situations
[06:28] <Surak> I just wanted to it lintian-clean... ok then.
[06:30] <ogra_> Surak, you use neither....
[06:30] <Surak> ogra_: huh?
[06:30] <ogra_> ubuntu uses udev, please ask in -devel how to proceed with that... neither mknod nor MAKEDEV will work right
[06:31] <Surak> ok
[06:31] <ogra_> udev should get a rule for your module and the respective devices, but i have no idea how to handle lintian in this case
[06:34] <bddebian> Riddell: The fact that it exists but you can't install it is not a problem?
[06:36] <Surak> time to lunch
[06:37] <Riddell> bddebian: no.  you can install all the packages fine, there just happens not to be a meta-package
[06:38] <bddebian> Riddell: Exactly :-)
[06:41] <bddebian> Ack, all that time and I screwed up the location of Qt.rb :-(
[06:44] <bddebian> Riddell: What else do I need to do besides adding Qt.rb in libqt0-ruby1.8.install ?
[06:47] <Riddell> bddebian: build it and make sure it works :)
[06:49] <bddebian> Riddell: It doesn't build
[06:49] <bddebian> dh_install --list-missing
[06:49] <bddebian> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/Qt/Qt.rb': No such file or directory
[06:49] <Riddell> bddebian: where is Qt.rb ?
[06:50] <bddebian> ./qtruby/rubylib/qtruby/lib/Qt.rb
[06:58] <Nafallo> hmm
[06:58] <Nafallo> that elmo answer is submitted to bash.org ;-)
[06:59] <bddebian> heh
[07:00] <Riddell> bddebian: but Qt.rb isn't installed anywhere?
[07:00] <Riddell> inside debian/tmp
[07:01] <bddebian> Riddell: I added this line to .install:  debian/tmp/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/Qt/Qt.rb
[07:01] <Riddell> bddebian: and is that where Qt.rb is?
[07:02] <bddebian> That's where I want to put it no?
[07:04] <bddebian> Riddell: SOrry I know these are dumb questions but I'm used to using install -d and install -m  so I don't know how the .install files work
[07:04] <Riddell> bddebian: that's where make install  should install it to
[07:04] <Riddell> but I suspect it doesn't for some reason
[07:05] <Riddell> in which case it's probably ok to just install it by hand in debian/rules
[07:34] <bddebian> This is nuts, I don't see how it picks up qtruby.rb either...
[07:48] <Riddell> bddebian: don't see how what picks it up?
[07:51] <Mithrandir> hub_: hiya, you're the guy blogging about digital photography on planet.gnome, right?
[07:52] <hub_> Mithrandir: myself
[07:52] <Mithrandir> hub_: do you have any thoughts on the DNG format from Adobe and if it's going to be adopted by camera manufacturers?
[07:52] <hub_> some start adopting it
[07:53] <hub_> but I have no idea if the major 2, Nikon and Canon will
[07:53] <hub_> they need to be educated
[07:53] <hub_> for them releasing spec of the format is revoking their IP rights
[07:54] <hub_> and actually there might be an Adobe licensing problem with DNG
[07:54] <Mithrandir> yeah.. I'm thinking about getting a Nikon SLR, but it would be nice if it actually supported a free format rather than having to be reverse engineered
[07:55] <Mithrandir> oh?  what kind of problem?  (I haven't read the spec, I just became aware of the existence)
[07:56] <hub_> patent
[07:56] <hub_> copyright and other trash
[07:56] <Mithrandir> oh, suckage :-(
[07:56] <Mithrandir> they should so make it free&open
[07:56] <hub_> PDF is not free
[07:56] <hub_> it is "fully disclosed"
[07:56] <Mithrandir> aiui, people are disagreeing on that fact?
[07:56] <hub_> DNG is a bit similar
[07:57] <hub_> Mithrandir: btw for Nikon or Canon DSLR, dcraw follow
[07:57] <hub_> Mithrandir: and I personnaly never shoot RAW files
[07:57] <hub_> almost never
[07:57] <Mithrandir> yup, I'm aware of that.
[07:57] <Mithrandir> why not?  File size?
[07:58] <hub_> I don;t have the time to post process them
[07:58] <hub_> hand tuned
[07:58] <hub_> btw someone should sync ufraw from debian to universe
[07:58] <Mithrandir> true, but doing it automatically is ok-ish for the most part and just having the raw data can be useful.
[07:59] <hub_> I used to do raw + jpeg at one point
[07:59] <hub_> gotta grab lunch. bb in a few
[08:00] <Mithrandir> yeah, I gotta eat some dinner
[08:01] <\sh> delicious and healthy *sigh*
[08:01] <ogra_> dolphins ?
[08:01] <\sh> sure..the name of the pizza is flipper
[08:01] <Nafallo> lol
[08:01] <ogra_> gah
[08:05] <bddebian> Riddell: From same .install file: debian/tmp/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/Qt/qtruby.rb
[08:08] <bddebian> Heya crimsun
[08:08] <Riddell> bddebian: make install will install qtruby.rb but for some reason it doesn't install Qt.rb
[08:08] <Riddell> so if Qt.rb is needed you probably have to install that by hand or fix the build system
[08:09] <crimsun> heya bddebian
[08:12] <dholbach> Riddell: which packages were up for review for me?
[08:12] <dholbach> i forgot
[08:13] <crimsun> heya Riddell, dholbach
[08:13] <dholbach> bon soir, daniel
[08:16] <dholbach> Riddell: kdetv and wlassistant?
[08:16] <janimo> hey crimsun
[08:16] <dholbach> hey jani
[08:16] <dholbach> seems we have the old crew together again :)))
[08:17] <janimo> hey dholbach
[08:17] <crimsun> heya jani :)
[08:17] <janimo> yep :)
[08:17] <dholbach> so how about some extreme universe fixing? ;)
[08:17] <janimo> the crew which starts lurking 2 weeks before release ;)
[08:17] <bddebian> Heh
[08:17] <\sh> grmpf
[08:17] <janimo> of course crimsun was here all along
[08:17] <dholbach> bddebian: how is the state of our various lists?
[08:17] <\sh> need to get wpa-psk running on this laptop
[08:18] <bddebian> dholbach: UniverseUnmetDeps needs love :-)
[08:18] <dholbach> bddebian: how many of those need love?
[08:18] <janimo> dholbach, the motutodo wiki seemed a bit outdated two days ago
[08:18] <bddebian> dholbach: The FIXME list :-)
[08:18] <dholbach> janimo: so you decided we had it all sorted out? :-p
[08:18] <janimo> translations are all done?
[08:18] <janimo> yep :)
[08:18] <janimo> conveniently
[08:18] <dholbach> haha
[08:19] <janimo> now I am finally trying to do some xfce stuff again
[08:19] <janimo> but hope to do some real motu work too
[08:19] <crimsun> we have a couple of open Xfce issues in malone
[08:19] <janimo> or I won't deserve to be part of it anymore
[08:20] <janimo> crimsun, I am looking at those right now
[08:20] <dholbach> janimo: come one... you do care
[08:20] <crimsun> ok
[08:20] <dholbach> janimo: we dont have a trace of many others at the moment
[08:20] <janimo> dholbach, I do I just have a hard time organizing my time and home directory :)
[08:20] <dholbach> janimo: don't ask about mine
[08:20] <janimo> both of which to inneficiency, they lead
[08:21] <janimo> crimsun does xfmedia work for you?
[08:21] <janimo> it hangs on opening an avi here, needs to be killed
[08:22] <janimo> the same with the older version not just todays upload
[08:23] <crimsun> ack
[08:24] <crimsun> that can't be good
[08:24] <janimo> hmm another one opens though
[08:24] <bddebian> Hey, YOU can't have him, there's things to do!! :-)
[08:24] <janimo> prolly codecs missing but no graceful error message
[08:26] <crimsun> d'oh, no .avi. /me googles
[08:28] <dholbach> Riddell: pwmanager uploaded again - we'll see what happens
[08:28] <bddebian> Anyone know the status of myth plugins?
[08:29] <janimo> crimsun, hmm npw it works with the original avi too
[08:29] <janimo> so it's not that
[08:29] <janimo> I pressed play maybe w/o anything in the playlist?
[08:29] <janimo> I'll reproduce it for sure since it happened two times so far
[08:30] <janimo> you took it from benny?I did not see it in debian
[08:31] <crimsun> janimo, upstream
[08:32] <janimo> I wonder why the xfce-deb guys did not package it yet
[08:32] <crimsun> ugh, it does look like a codec error
[08:32] <bddebian> Egads, scrubus is a main package
[08:32] <bddebian> Err scribus
[08:32] <crimsun> though the test.avi I used doesn't play in totem-xine either ;)
[08:32] <janimo> that's a releif
[08:32] <janimo> relief
[08:32] <crimsun> we'll need to bug kelnos, the developer, to fix it :)
[08:32] <janimo> cool :) will you?
[08:33] <crimsun> yep
[08:33] <janimo> so it's a xine bug?
[08:33] <janimo> butmine was something else since now I can play those avis
[08:36] <crimsun> I think it's at least an xfmedia bug, since not finding a suitable codec should not crash the app
[08:37] <janimo> right
[08:37] <janimo> are you still using xfce?
[08:38] <crimsun> on one desktop, but it's running Warty (!)
[08:38] <janimo> :)
[08:38] <janimo> with rox?
[08:38] <crimsun> yep
[08:38] <crimsun> eek, I need to fix the broken icon in xfmedia.desktop
[08:38] <janimo> is that just the filemanager or provides desktop icons too?
[08:39] <crimsun> it can do both, but we have it set by default to just be the file manager
[08:39] <janimo> we - being debian rox maintainers?
[08:39] <crimsun> yeah, and "us", too :)
[08:40] <janimo> I am wondering whether to provide such thing with xubuntu, and if so rox or idesk or is there something else.
[08:40] <crimsun> there's iconbox or "little star"
[08:40] <janimo> oh I forgot :) I think I did not really touch rox though
[08:41] <janimo> now that I never used or understood what it's for, I may have to take a look
[08:41] <crimsun> it's probably better to just use xfdesktop
[08:41] <crimsun> we'll want to use thunar for a "complete" Xfce desktop
[08:41] <crimsun> (more than likely?)
[08:42] <crimsun> but until then, xffm I think
[08:42] <janimo> does xfdesktop do icons on the desktop ?
[08:43] <crimsun> nope, but we'll still want it present
[08:44] <crimsun> (as opposed to using rox-filer's pinboard+some other solution)
[09:07] <bddebian> Grr, I'm getting nothing done today.. :-(
[09:07] <Burgundavia> bddebian, thanks for all the .desktop fixes
[09:07] <bddebian> Burgundavia: Well... :-)
[09:08] <bddebian> Apparently I screwed that up too :-)
[09:13] <bddebian> Shouldn't this work?:
[09:13] <bddebian>         install -d $(CURDIR)/debian/tmp/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/Qt
[09:13] <bddebian>         install -m 644 qtruby/rubylib/qtruby/lib/Qt.rb $(CURDIR)/debian/tmp/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/Qt
[09:17] <dholbach> Riddell: reviewed both of them
[09:24] <crimsun> -> work
[09:49] <bddebian> WTF? dh_install: usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/Qt.rb exists in debian/tmp but is not installed to anywhere
[09:49] <\sh> bddebian: missing an entry in the .install files?
[09:51] <bddebian> It's there.  But it seems to be working anyway so fsck it ;-)
[09:57] <\sh> yes..
[09:57] <\sh> ssh -X 192.168.0.101
[09:57] <\sh> evolution
[09:57] <\sh> and my evolution from the nc6000 is coming via wifi to my r200
[09:58] <\sh> rock
[09:59] <bddebian> Nice
[10:00] <bddebian> I have to try x-forwarding one of these days
[10:00] <spayne> yo
[10:00] <spayne> i made contact with the guy (Richard) to sign my key
[10:00] <\sh> spayne: and?
[10:00] <spayne> we are arranging to meet at a cafe in Newcastle
[10:01] <ogra_> \sh, hey, you just discovered the magic of our ltsp ;)
[10:01] <spayne> \sh: when my packages are uploaded, does that make me a MOTU or Universe Maintainer
[10:01] <spayne> \sh: is there a difference?
[10:01] <\sh> spayne: it makes u a contributor...and if you document your work on your wiki page we will make u a motu :)
[10:02] <\sh> i wonder how big castle greyscull is in reality ,)
[10:02] <bddebian> spayne: Nice btw
[10:02] <\sh> ogra_: well...I'm fascinated of the wifi stuff...i never realized how nice it is to work from bed
[10:03] <\sh> ogra_: and with this r200 on my hip...well..it's nothing :) wpa works now...
[10:03] <ogra_> heh
[10:03] <\sh> only my di-524 is crap
[10:03] <\sh> i will replace it with a linksys anyways
[10:03] <bddebian> \sh: Did you have to tweak sshd_config for that?
[10:04] <\sh> bddebian: no...ssh -X <destinatio>
[10:04] <\sh> +n
[10:04] <bddebian> Ohh, that ain't gonna work on this machine ;-)
[10:04] <\sh> bddebian: i think ubuntus x11_forwarding in sshd_config is default
[10:05] <ogra_> yup
[10:06] <bddebian> Well putty on Windows doesn't seem to like it ;-P
[10:07] <\sh> bddebian: u can set this option in the settings
[10:07] <tseng> putty on windows cant do much with X11 forwarding if there is no X server
[10:07] <bddebian> Yeah, I just tried it :-)
[10:07] <\sh> bddebian: and running xfree86 via cygwin this works
[10:07] <tseng> do you have xming?
[10:07] <bddebian> tseng: Aye, that's why I said that :-)
[10:07] <tseng> ugh, cygwin is awful
[10:07] <bddebian> No, does xming work or do I need cygwin?
[10:07] <tseng> xming is great
[10:07] <\sh> tseng: it works
[10:08] <tseng> cygwin is the same software horrribly packaged
[10:08] <\sh> tseng: redhat ;)
[10:08] <tseng> right
[10:08] <bddebian> tseng: Got a url for xming?
[10:09] <tseng> http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Xming
[10:09] <spayne> \sh: thanks :-)
[10:11] <bddebian> tseng: Awesome, thx, I'm going to try that
[10:13] <spayne> i'm downloading Kubuntu so i can test those packages
[10:16] <sistpoty> hi folks
[10:23] <sistpoty> ping lamont
[10:23] <lamont> ack
[10:23] <sistpoty> lamont: do the buildds use compiler-cache or s.th. similar?
[10:24] <lamont> ccache, and some additional love
[10:24] <sistpoty> (I'm just wondering for http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/r/rscheme/0.7.3.4.b1-1ubuntu1/rscheme_0.7.3.4.b1-1ubuntu1_20050923-2238-i386-failed.gz, which ftbfs on buildd, but builds on pbuilder
[10:24] <sistpoty> +)
[10:24] <sistpoty> is there a way to turn this off?
[10:26] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[10:26] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[10:28] <lamont> sistpoty: how very interesting
[10:29] <sistpoty> lamont: I tried to valgrind/electric-fence this, but couldn't reproduce the segfault
[10:31] <janimo> markuman,ping
[10:31] <markuman> janimo: pong
[10:32] <janimo> I am looking at the xfce bugs on malone these days
[10:32] <janimo> so will get to the mousepad issue too
[10:32] <janimo> does it happen only in gnome?
[10:32] <lamont> sistpoty: it's not forcing any compiler options, so it's either ccache, which would be strange, or something in the app.
[10:32] <janimo> as for the taskmanager got an url to the original?
[10:32] <janimo> I'll try to review that too
[10:32] <markuman> janimo, with xfce4, ive got no problems with mousepad
[10:33] <janimo> hmm maybe it's a mousepad bug not ours?
[10:33] <janimo> anyway there's a mousepad 0.3.0 released and we (and debian) are at 0.2.2
[10:33] <janimo> maybe that should be looked into as well
[10:33] <markuman> janimo, do you mean http://download.berlios.de/xfce-goodies/xfce4-taskmanager-0.3.1.tar.gz ?
[10:34] <janimo> yep thanks
[10:34] <janimo> so it's part of xfce4 goodies?
[10:34] <markuman> janimo, yes. a new one!
[10:34] <janimo> I wonder why it isn't in debian, it is very new?
[10:34] <markuman> janimo, imho yes. i dont find it in debian too.
[10:35] <janimo> if you want to get involved with xubuntu a good idea is to subscribe to the xfce debian pkg list as well so we can collaborate
[10:36] <janimo> it's better if we sync packages from debian than to make our own.Even if we make them we shoudl try getting them in there if possible
[10:36] <markuman> janimo, ok
[10:36] <janimo> do you want to look into the mousepad problem?i.e contact upstream, try the new version from svn (or wherever it;s kept etc)?
[10:36] <markuman> janimo: you mean pkg-xfce.alioth.debian.org
[10:36] <janimo> exactly
[10:37] <janimo> if it's not too boring
[10:37] <markuman> janimo, i will try it with mousepad
[10:37] <janimo> I'll also check if it behaves the same here with gnome
[10:37] <janimo> markuman, thanks great, keep malone updated if you find something
[10:38] <markuman> janimo, ok thx
[10:38] <bddebian> Hmm, what else can I break today?
[10:38] <bddebian> Heya slomo
[10:39] <slomo> hi bddebian :)
[10:39] <bddebian> slomo: How are you forcing builds with gcc-3.4?  Do you just CC=gcc-3.4?
[10:39] <sistpoty> hi slomo
[10:40] <slomo> bddebian: depends on the package's buildsystem... but for autofoo CC=gcc-3.4 (and maybe CXX=g++-3.4) would do it
[10:46] <\sh> hmm...is build-dep on gcc-3.4 not enough?
[10:47] <bddebian> Usually not
[10:47] <\sh> most of the time yes..
[10:47] <\sh> hmm..
[10:48] <slomo> \sh: hmm nope
[10:50] <\sh> then the source was very intelligent :)
[10:51] <slomo> yes... it could read your thoughts ;)
[10:51] <bddebian> Or that's the only gcc you had installed? ;-)
[10:52] <slomo> built-essential contains gcc 4.0
[10:52] <\sh> hmmmm....i have to check my past packages with gcc-3.4 first...and I don't say anything anymore without my lawyer
[10:53] <\sh> time to go to bed anyways....
[10:53] <bddebian> Heh.  Gnight \sh
[10:53] <slomo> gn8 \sh :)
[10:54] <\sh> na...first a cigarette...and I don't need to go to bed...i need to switch off the laptop :)
[10:55] <sistpoty> gn8 \sh
[10:59] <bddebian> Ack, back up to 500 bugs.. :-(
[11:01] <spayne> which is 500 bugs?
[11:01] <bddebian> Malone
[11:02] <bddebian> We got it down to like 498 or so last night
[11:04] <\sh> ok..night folks...cu tomorrow from office..
[11:06] <janimo> anybody using the ubuntu.com addresses for sending?
[11:21] <bddebian> wb dholbach
[11:21] <dholbach> re :)
[11:21] <sistpoty> hi dholbach
[11:22] <dholbach> hi sistpoty
[11:22] <slomo> hi dholbach
[11:22] <dholbach> wow, the complete crew is here :)
[11:22] <bddebian> Heh
[11:27] <tseng> hi dholbach
[11:28] <dholbach> come on Riddell, of course you're in the crew :)
[11:28] <bddebian> Riddell: And I am? ;-)  BTW, thanks for telling me kdebindings was in main.. ;-P
[11:29] <Riddell> bddebian: did you upload?
[11:29] <bddebian> REJECTED :-)
[11:29] <dholbach> guys... the weather doesn't seem good for your mood :)
[11:29] <bddebian> I didn't even look.. :-(
[11:29] <Riddell> bddebian: I kinday assumed you would have noticed that, sorry
[11:29] <bddebian> Riddell: I should have, I was joking
[11:29] <Riddell> bddebian: I'll happily upload it for you
[11:29] <bddebian> Riddell: I'll post a debdiff on that bug when I get home
[11:30] <Riddell> cool
[11:30] <dholbach> Riddell: reviewed the 2 thingies, uploaded pwmanager, but i daresay there was no sign of it anywhere yet, was there?
[11:31] <sistpoty> slomo: did you test hunit already?
[11:31] <bddebian> dholbach: Well I think I've alienated ALL of -devel now ;-P
[11:31] <Riddell> no pwmanager in breezy-changes
[11:32] <Riddell> dholbach: did you get a NEW or anything?
[11:32] <dholbach> nope
[11:32] <Riddell> dholbach: maybe it's a package that's been deleted from the debian/ubuntu archives, I've had that before
[11:32] <dholbach> oh nice
[11:32] <slomo> sistpoty: sure... breaked because of something ;) hmake i believe
[11:32] <dholbach> tonio- should ask elmo :)
[11:33] <sistpoty> slomo: after hmake was uploaded, a simple rebuild should suffice (i tested this), but on installing i got some postinst error
[11:34] <sistpoty> slomo: however after i built it the second time w.o. changes, and installing it, the error was gone, so I'm a bit clueless on this
[11:34] <slomo> sistpoty: hmm... and a third time did what? ;)
[11:34] <sistpoty> slomo: did not try it yet ;)
[11:35] <bddebian> Time to head home, later folks
[11:36] <sistpoty> later bddebian
[11:43] <ajmitch> morning all
[11:43] <ajmitch> ah, bddebian just left
[11:43] <tseng> its ok
[11:43] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[11:43] <tseng> i alreadycut off a finger
[11:44] <ajmitch> you didn't tell him that seb128 was out for blood?
[11:44] <tseng> oh
[11:44] <tseng> seb cut off a hand
[11:44] <ajmitch> ok
[11:46] <tseng> however i dont see him changing anything back
[11:47] <slomo> hm? what are you talking about? ;)
[11:47] <ajmitch> bddebian's uploads yesterday
[11:47] <slomo> the desktop files?
[11:48] <ajmitch> except this bug is not about mem usage
[11:48] <tseng> ajmitch: if its about memory
[11:48] <tseng> ajmitch: ill need to borrow a hatchet
[11:48] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/beagle/+bug/2660
[11:48] <tseng> oh thats what i wanted you to test
[11:49] <ajmitch> right
[11:49] <ajmitch> because I can't really use beagle at the moment
[11:49] <tseng> thats a startup issue
[11:49] <ajmitch> I haven't started frmo the command line to check
[11:49] <tseng> withint a few seconds
[11:49] <tseng> dinner, bbl
[11:50] <sistpoty> later tseng