| hyperactivecrond | btw that was 4 the thing while i'm away | 12:06 |
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| magnon | yawn. | 02:28 |
| magnon | ogra_: I hope you're sleeping :) | 02:28 |
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| shaga | gnome-applets and gnome-volume-manager seems to have been updated | 07:14 |
| shaga | I hope they don't crash anymore if I xkill gnome trays | 07:14 |
| shaga | by the way, why don't gaim appear into gnome system tray after killing trays? | 07:20 |
| shaga | yappers, no more gnome-applets crashing | 07:33 |
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| jsgotangco | ogra_, when you have time, can you svn co to https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/breezy/edubuntu/ | 08:06 |
| jsgotangco | ogra_, you'll be able to pull the source documents from there | 08:06 |
| jsgotangco | at the moment, About Edubuntu is already done and im fixing the release notes later | 08:06 |
| jsgotangco | i've made sure the entities are fixed so you won't need to pinpoint which goes which and just copy per forlder | 08:07 |
| jsgotangco | and the scrollkeeper omf file is already updated | 08:07 |
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| jsgotangco | hi JaneW | 08:38 |
| JaneW | hi jsgotangco | 08:38 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: ping | 08:45 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: I am at my desk today, so let me know when you want to do the webpage 'meeting' | 08:46 |
| jsgotangco | webpage? | 08:46 |
| JaneW | yes | 08:56 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW, why are we merging wikis? | 09:07 |
| JaneW | because we have to, and because a lot of the ubuntu wiki applies to edubuntu as well | 09:09 |
| jsgotangco | if find it a jungle really | 09:13 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW, do you cross stitch? | 09:13 |
| jsgotangco | hehhee | 09:13 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: arrgh NO | 09:23 |
| jsgotangco | hehhe | 09:23 |
| jsgotangco | i was about to ask you to try out kxstitch | 09:23 |
| jsgotangco | hehehe | 09:23 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: I can knit, crotchet and cross stich, but find all incredibly boring | 09:24 |
| jsgotangco | a friend of main maintains it for debian | 09:24 |
| jsgotangco | cross stitch our logo | 09:24 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 09:24 |
| JaneW | I like quick results so if anything I use a sewing machine to whip something together quickly | 09:24 |
| JaneW | I have a friend who is obsessed with cross stiching, I could get her to do it.... ;) | 09:24 |
| JaneW | I am unconventional I would rather change a light bulb or solder something, than knit or sew ;) | 09:25 |
| JaneW | in fact my hubby is more likely to sew, while I change a plug :) | 09:25 |
| jsgotangco | *grin* | 09:25 |
| JaneW | he made our outfits for a costume party last year.... | 09:26 |
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| highvoltage | JaneW: 11:30'ish okay for you? | 09:30 |
| jsgotangco | ouch you just reminded me to fix my daughter's costume for her school play in a few days | 09:30 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: you're a guy, right? | 09:30 |
| jsgotangco | i am | 09:30 |
| jsgotangco | i don't cross stitch | 09:31 |
| jsgotangco | that's why i asked JaneW | 09:31 |
| highvoltage | impressive. i can't do any stitching... | 09:31 |
| highvoltage | JaneW doesn't look the stitching type :) | 09:31 |
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| JaneW | highvoltage: I totally agree :) | 09:34 |
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| JaneW | highvoltage: can I come and get my eagle? ;) | 10:13 |
| JaneW | which landed yesterday ... | 10:13 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW, what email is this regarding "About Ubuntu"? | 10:40 |
| JaneW | mark wants it more professional | 10:41 |
| jsgotangco | what part is this? the one that opens in Yelp? | 10:41 |
| jsgotangco | System -> About Ubuntu? | 10:41 |
| JaneW | yes | 10:42 |
| jsgotangco | you have one blocker on this | 10:42 |
| jsgotangco | YELP | 10:42 |
| jsgotangco | (unless he wants it to look like System-> About Gnome) | 10:43 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW, so its going to look the same for Edubuntu | 10:47 |
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| shaga | "### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST" | 11:19 |
| shaga | that reads at the end of the /boot/grub/menu.list | 11:20 |
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| highvoltage | sorry JaneW only seeing your eagle message now :) | 11:32 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: it's ok it flew over here straight away | 11:32 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: thanks - I see it's full of cool stuff :) | 11:33 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: is there anyway to improve the 'about' pages? I am not even usre I understand what is wrong with them... | 11:33 |
| jsgotangco | improve aesthetically? | 11:35 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: here's what mdz said "The text should be condensed and clarified to the essentials. The page | 11:35 |
| JaneW | layout should more closely follow the theme of the Ubuntu website and be | 11:35 |
| JaneW | clean and readable." | 11:35 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW, i don't know what they want exactly, sabdfl himself edited that page | 11:36 |
| shaga | and it's automagic | 11:36 |
| shaga | in that /boot/grub/menu.list | 11:36 |
| shaga | hehe | 11:36 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW, it's mark's work mostly | 11:36 |
| jsgotangco | (last minute edits he made) | 11:37 |
| JaneW | yes I see sabdfl editted, ok them let's not mess with the text, just layout and formatting | 11:37 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW, the only way to make that page beatiful is change it to html | 11:37 |
| JaneW | is that possible? | 11:37 |
| jsgotangco | which contradicts the current workflow with the translations | 11:38 |
| shaga | should there read ubuntu and automatic at the end of /boot/grub/menu.list? or is there need for those :p | 11:38 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW, in a nutshell, we planned to do everything in html but in the last minute reverted back to xml because it borks translations | 11:38 |
| jsgotangco | and now it seems html is being desired again | 11:38 |
| jsgotangco | so i don't know what that makes us | 11:39 |
| jsgotangco | in documentation | 11:39 |
| jsgotangco | its bad enough that we had to revert back to xml a day after documentation string freeze | 11:40 |
| jsgotangco | if there is a desire to "condense" the document, that would undermine the work being done by the translators, most of them finished already | 11:40 |
| jsgotangco | if sabdfl or mdz is online i could easily explain the dilemna | 11:41 |
| jsgotangco | now to make it beautiful in Yelp with the current doc format, that's impossible | 11:44 |
| jsgotangco | yelp has its own stylesheets and changing it would bork the other documents | 11:44 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW, ? | 11:49 |
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| JaneW | phone.. 5 mins please | 11:52 |
| ogra_ | shaga, there is a need for those and it would require heavy patching in grub to make it respect another text | 11:55 |
| ogra_ | (explanation is in the menu.list file) | 11:57 |
| JessicaX^ | Hello | 11:58 |
| ogra_ | hi JessicaX^ | 11:58 |
| JessicaX^ | Your name has changed again | 11:58 |
| JessicaX^ | :/ | 11:58 |
| ogra_ | not since yesterday morning when my xchat crashed :) | 11:58 |
| ogra | but since you mention it :) | 11:59 |
| JessicaX^ | :P | 11:59 |
| shaga | ogra: okay, just thought about it.. | 12:03 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: back | 12:04 |
| JaneW | sabdfl is on line, was chatting to him earlier | 12:04 |
| JaneW | hmmm, he has been idel for some time though | 12:04 |
| JessicaX^ | AHH | 12:05 |
| JessicaX^ | there it is | 12:05 |
| JessicaX^ | "Language, learning and color perception" | 12:05 |
| JessicaX^ | AH there we are | 12:11 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW, so there's that's the dilemna | 12:14 |
| JessicaX^ | "Humans were also found to | 12:14 |
| JessicaX^ | turn inward in monotone environments, which may induce feelings of anxiety, fear and distress | 12:14 |
| JessicaX^ | resulting from understimulation. This lack of stimulation further creates a sense of restlessness, | 12:14 |
| JessicaX^ | excessive emotional response, difficulty in concentration and irritation." | 12:14 |
| JaneW | hmmm | 12:15 |
| JessicaX^ | That was after a paragraph on why not to have brown colors around children in a learning environment | 12:15 |
| JessicaX^ | Mahnke, Frank H. and Mahnke, Rudolf H.. Color, Environment and Human Response. John Wiley & Sons, | 12:16 |
| JessicaX^ | Inc, New York, 1996. | 12:16 |
| ogra | JessicaX^, which brown colors ? | 12:16 |
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| JessicaX^ | They said 4 shades of brown were all found to have a negative effect with children under the age of 10 | 12:16 |
| JessicaX^ | They didnt say though | 12:16 |
| JessicaX^ | It was a reference from another book, so | 12:16 |
| ogra | but what are *you* referring to ? | 12:17 |
| jsgotangco | brown is bad? | 12:17 |
| JessicaX^ | o.O? | 12:17 |
| JessicaX^ | Nothing, i just remember before someone saying color doesnt matter | 12:18 |
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| jsgotangco | JaneW, feel free to reply on the list on the matter i'm going to do some groceries first | 12:19 |
| JaneW | jsgotangco: I am not sure why I am being tasked with this, and to me it looks fine anyway... :/ | 12:19 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW, oh well | 12:20 |
| JessicaX^ | Is there screenshots of edubuntu :/ | 12:20 |
| JessicaX^ | Lessee | 12:21 |
| JessicaX^ | Yep, pretty darn similar to ubuntu | 12:21 |
| JessicaX^ | -_- | 12:21 |
| jsgotangco | JessicaX^, because its the same | 12:21 |
| shaga | plus some new artwork if we talk about the look | 12:21 |
| JessicaX^ | Oh my word | 12:21 |
| shaga | more colors :p | 12:21 |
| JessicaX^ | Rofl | 12:22 |
| JessicaX^ | BROWN | 12:22 |
| ogra | JessicaX^, please install edubuntu and make your judgement... i'll happily discuss every constructive statement | 12:23 |
| JessicaX^ | No you wouldnt :P | 12:23 |
| ogra | how do you know that ? | 12:24 |
| JessicaX^ | Because why would me installing it AGAIN do anything | 12:24 |
| ogra | you didnt make any constructive statement yet | 12:24 |
| JessicaX^ | That's what you say, because you're not actually bothered what other people are saying | 12:24 |
| ogra | ah, so you installed it already .... then you know there is no brown in edubuntu ??? | 12:25 |
| JessicaX^ | I suggested something the first moment i came in here before, and you and your team dismissed it because, with no experience of it, you know best | 12:25 |
| ogra | so wh the heck do you rant about it ? | 12:25 |
| JaneW | JessicaX^: what are you actually here for? | 12:25 |
| JessicaX^ | Idling | 12:25 |
| JessicaX^ | I gave up trying to help | 12:26 |
| JaneW | JessicaX^: this is a DEV channel and we have 2 weeks until our release date, so what we are putting in this release is set, and we are busy | 12:26 |
| JessicaX^ | Yeah, yeah | 12:26 |
| ogra | JessicaX^, this is not *my* team ... and obvoiusly the people in here agreed | 12:26 |
| JessicaX^ | http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=434&slide=4 <--- | 12:26 |
| JaneW | JessicaX^: constructive suggestions and critisisms are more than welcome and will be considered for the next release | 12:26 |
| JessicaX^ | That's just something you probably copied and pasted | 12:26 |
| JaneW | what? | 12:27 |
| JessicaX^ | That statement | 12:27 |
| JaneW | that's someting I just typed | 12:27 |
| JessicaX^ | Listen, i'm just going to draw a line | 12:27 |
| JessicaX^ | You do what you do, it's right | 12:27 |
| JessicaX^ | I'll just not say anything :) | 12:27 |
| shaga | http://sha.rikos.org/edubuntu.png | 12:27 |
| shaga | not so brown for me at least | 12:28 |
| JaneW | if you have a useful suggestion please list it on: http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuBelowZero and we can discuss it at our next developer summir where the dapper release goals will be discussed (in Oct/Nov) | 12:28 |
| JessicaX^ | Nah | 12:28 |
| JaneW | s/summir/summit | 12:28 |
| JessicaX^ | It's not my project to say anything on | 12:29 |
| JaneW | well then please stop being disruptive | 12:29 |
| JessicaX^ | :P | 12:29 |
| JaneW | as it is we are short of resources and time | 12:29 |
| JessicaX^ | Then why are you chatting | 12:30 |
| JessicaX^ | If i need to do work, i stay off IRC | 12:30 |
| JessicaX^ | ;;-) | 12:30 |
| ogra | JessicaX^, simply because this channel is our workplace | 12:30 |
| JessicaX^ | Huh | 12:30 |
| JessicaX^ | This channel is a chat channel | 12:31 |
| ogra | nope | 12:31 |
| JessicaX^ | Yes it is | 12:31 |
| JessicaX^ | IR--->C<---- | 12:31 |
| ogra | this channel is the development channel for edubuntu | 12:31 |
| ogra | the place where we coordinate our wokr | 12:31 |
| ogra | work | 12:31 |
| JessicaX^ | Uh-huh | 12:32 |
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| JaneW | ogra: have the screenshots changed from these on OSDir? | 12:40 |
| JaneW | ogra: specifically the boot image (is that what it's called?) etc | 12:40 |
| ogra | the usplash should be new... | 12:40 |
| JaneW | yes ok | 12:40 |
| ogra | but i handnt time for a test install yet and jbailey broke the edubuntu-artwork package | 12:41 |
| JaneW | ogra: I have to agree that that is not the best wallpaper (can it be changed, without adding to the size?) | 12:41 |
| JaneW | hrm | 12:41 |
| ogra | fabbione fixed it an hour ago... | 12:41 |
| JaneW | what happened to gartoon? | 12:42 |
| ogra | sure, select another one, i'll replace them | 12:42 |
| ogra | err, to gartoon ? nothing... afaik | 12:42 |
| ogra | JaneW, why ? | 12:43 |
| JaneW | oh it is there | 12:43 |
| ogra | :) | 12:43 |
| JaneW | did you change the font? I still think it needs to be bigger and possibly more 'fun' | 12:43 |
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| ogra | the esktop font is a comic font with 16px | 12:44 |
| ogra | *desktop | 12:44 |
| JaneW | :) | 12:44 |
| JaneW | sounds great | 12:44 |
| JaneW | thanks | 12:44 |
| ogra | i fear if we change the app font it gets hardly readable... i thought about it | 12:45 |
| JaneW | ok lets not mess with the apps | 12:46 |
| JaneW | just the menus etc | 12:46 |
| JaneW | is the wallpaper changable? | 12:46 |
| ogra | menus == apps (fontwise) | 12:47 |
| ogra | yes | 12:47 |
| ogra | just pick one we should ship, i'll exchange it in the package | 12:47 |
| JaneW | I don;t have a problem with the wallpaper design, but the colour is the exact colour of baby pooh ;) | 12:47 |
| ogra | its bright yellow... the screenshots dont really show the right color... | 12:47 |
| ogra | just tell me which you want | 12:48 |
| JaneW | so we could use the same idea but alter the shades and tones it would look good then... | 12:48 |
| JaneW | (I am not knocking your wallpaper - just that I don;t think this colour has much appeal for under 16s) | 12:48 |
| ogra | i dont care for the wallpaper... it took me 10min to create ;) | 12:48 |
| ogra | there is no manpower lost if we change it... | 12:49 |
| JaneW | well everyone loves 'edubuntu girl' is that too big? | 12:49 |
| ogra | i'll have to look if we can get it in a widescreen format... there is only a normal version | 12:50 |
| ogra | the filesize should be similar to the current one | 12:50 |
| JaneW | I can ask Steve to modify if neccesary | 12:51 |
| JaneW | else http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/Edubuntu-Waves_1024x768.png | 12:51 |
| JaneW | or http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/Edubuntu-MexicoStreet_1024x768.jpg | 12:51 |
| JaneW | let me know what dimensions and res you want | 12:52 |
| JaneW | I'll get the creators to alter | 12:52 |
| JessicaX^ | Err. that second image looks wierd | 12:52 |
| ogra | i'd like that one without the odd bars on top and bottom: http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/Edubuntu-Breezy_3_1600x1200.png | 12:52 |
| JessicaX^ | the first is nice - Second is strange | 12:52 |
| JessicaX^ | I thought it was stucco, but it's pavement.. It looks really strange | 12:53 |
| JessicaX^ | Maybe if it was a long road, like a highway | 12:53 |
| JessicaX^ | But you can see all the chewing gun stuck on the pavement | 12:53 |
| ogra | JaneW, they are all to small :/ | 12:53 |
| JaneW | JessicaX^: can you go to http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/?page=2&sort_by=add_timestamp&thumbnails_per_page=12&view=list&resolution=%&order=DESC , vote for the backgrounds there, the most popular ones will end up being used most likely | 12:53 |
| JessicaX^ | Nah | 12:54 |
| ogra | JaneW, we need at least 1600x1200 | 12:54 |
| JessicaX^ | you do what you like, i'm just saying, the second one doesnt look good | 12:54 |
| ogra | they look weird if you hae to scale them up | 12:54 |
| JaneW | ogra: ok | 12:55 |
| JessicaX^ | Edubuntu-splash = yes | 12:55 |
| ogra | JaneW, can you ask the ubuntu girl guy if we could get a bigger version ? | 12:55 |
| shaga | edubuntu-girl rocks :D | 12:55 |
| JaneW | ogra: sure | 12:55 |
| ogra | s/ubuntu/edubuntu | 12:55 |
| shaga | 1600x1200 or 1920x1440 | 12:55 |
| JaneW | ok I'll mail Steve now | 12:55 |
| JessicaX^ | ugh, no it doesnt :P | 12:56 |
| JessicaX^ | edubuntu girl looks bad :/ | 12:56 |
| ogra | 1600x1200 and 1600x1000 are the default sizes we need | 12:56 |
| JessicaX^ | I'd say the only real 2 are - Splash, and Elephants | 12:56 |
| ogra | and regarding the responses that the one we should use... everyone on the mailing list semms to love it | 12:56 |
| ogra | s/that/thats | 12:57 |
| JaneW | ogra: nod | 12:57 |
| JessicaX^ | although, the elephants idea is good, the logo looks bad on the actual wallpaper itself | 12:57 |
| JessicaX^ | And you can't be sure if that pic isn't liscenced elsewhere | 12:57 |
| JaneW | JessicaX^: actually yes we can be sure | 12:58 |
| JessicaX^ | Ugh | 12:58 |
| JessicaX^ | I'm afraid the only good one is splash | 12:58 |
| JessicaX^ | The breezy ones just look strange | 12:58 |
| ogra | JessicaX^, i think thats very subjective | 12:59 |
| JessicaX^ | Huh | 12:59 |
| ogra | we'll go with the masses and there was a lot agreement for edubuntu girl in the ML discussion | 12:59 |
| ogra | JaneW, but there is no need to hurry... artwork changes can go in until last minute :) | 01:00 |
| JessicaX^ | there you go | 01:00 |
| JaneW | I mailed Steve | 01:03 |
| ogra | great :) | 01:03 |
| shaga | breezy3-wallpaper just rocks | 01:03 |
| shaga | done voting | 01:03 |
| JaneW | shaga: great thanks | 01:03 |
| ogra | i like it too... | 01:03 |
| shaga | :) | 01:04 |
| ogra | but i dont like the bars on top/bottom | 01:04 |
| JaneW | a lot of Steve's stuff is pretty bright and busy, but it appeals to young children, and that's the idea | 01:04 |
| ogra | yup | 01:04 |
| JessicaX^ | Wow | 01:04 |
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| JaneW | ogra: it is giving you hassles? | 01:06 |
| ogra | JaneW, its done... but there are some cosmetical things i dont find the reason for... and the code is undocumented... | 01:06 |
| ogra | jwz (xscreensaver author) is the worst coder ever... | 01:07 |
| Yagisan | ogra: and of course you've been documenting it right ? | 01:07 |
| ogra | thats why nobody touches xscreensaver :) | 01:07 |
| ogra | Yagisan, only my patch/changes... | 01:07 |
| ogra | i wont clean up his mess... regarding that we'll drop xscreensaver xompletely next release | 01:07 |
| Yagisan | ogra: so you are now the only person other then jwz that undersrtands xss then | 01:08 |
| ogra | hehe, yes... | 01:08 |
| ogra | probably josselin mouette from debian knows it too.... | 01:08 |
| JaneW | heh | 01:09 |
| JaneW | and it's gout the window staright after the release isn;t it? | 01:09 |
| JaneW | s/gout/out | 01:09 |
| Yagisan | these patches going upstream ? | 01:09 |
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| Yagisan | ogra: getting any sleep ? | 01:11 |
| JaneW | YAY | 01:11 |
| JaneW | she left | 01:11 |
| Yagisan | who ? | 01:12 |
| JaneW | ogra: does OSdir do the screenshots automatically? | 01:12 |
| JaneW | Yagisan: JessicaX^ | 01:12 |
| Yagisan | troublemaker ? | 01:13 |
| JaneW | yes | 01:14 |
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| Yagisan | ah - google confirms it | 01:16 |
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| Yagisan | JaneW - you're reading my old design doc ? | 01:17 |
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| JaneW | no sorry I did open it but then rebooted, it's in my inbox, so as soon as I have cleared the other priority items I'll get to it... unfortunately it is going to take some time | 01:19 |
| ogra_ | grmbl.. | 01:20 |
| ogra_ | did i mention how much i LOVE my provider... | 01:20 |
| JaneW | ogra: they still causing problems for you? | 01:22 |
| JaneW | ogra: must cause lots of cursing with your u/ls and d/ls ! | 01:23 |
| ogra | they have a new reconnect process for the daily disconnect that crashes my router once a day | 01:23 |
| JaneW | our ADSL line drops at least once a day, it is deliberate resets at the ISP with IP cycling to prevent you from hosting on the ADSL... | 01:24 |
| ogra | yes, same here... | 01:24 |
| ogra | but some weeks ago it just reconnected silently... now they upgraded theor headends... :/ | 01:25 |
| JaneW | seems to be around 10am and/or 10pm but they do seems to vary the times too, to keep it interesting | 01:25 |
| Yagisan | JaneW - the PESOE and network security was entirely done by myself. PESOE is what you would be interested in | 01:27 |
| ogra | its after 24h regardless when i connected... | 01:27 |
| Yagisan | my ADSL drops 2-3 times a day - doesn't stop me hosting | 01:27 |
| JaneW | PESOE? | 01:27 |
| Yagisan | JaneW - It's ythe heading in the pdf | 01:27 |
| Yagisan | be back soon - bath and dinner time for bub | 01:28 |
| JaneW | Yagisan: yes if you are watching it but if the IP cycles it affects DNS entries etc, and the updates take time right? | 01:28 |
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| Yagisan | JaneW - Dynamic DNS :) + ip check in ppp0 going up - and short dns live time | 01:32 |
| Yagisan | JaneW - aptitude install ddns3-client | 01:34 |
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| JaneW | ogra: edubuntu girl wallpapers http://www.torrefranca.org/art/edubuntuGirl.zip | 02:17 |
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| ogra | great, thanks | 02:36 |
| JaneW | ogra: newset http://www.ossn.co.za/edubuntu/3/ | 02:49 |
| JaneW | newest even | 02:49 |
| ogra | hmm... | 02:50 |
| ogra | i think the three buttons on the top left should be of he same size | 02:51 |
| ogra | but else its fine... | 02:51 |
| shaga | and two larger buttons has a bit rasterized rounds | 02:53 |
| ogra | these are not the final graphics ;) | 02:54 |
| shaga | okay :) | 02:54 |
| ogra | the circle of kids is also rasterized on the edges :) | 02:55 |
| shaga | I was just going to say but then you revealed hidden secret about graphics :p | 02:55 |
| JaneW | ogra: I gave highvoltage higher res logos and other formats etc | 02:56 |
| shaga | -typos(+it/+a) | 02:56 |
| ogra | yup | 02:57 |
| JaneW | how can I force my CD to eject if it doesn't want to (without rebooting)? | 02:58 |
| ogra | JaneW, hmm -devel ? poke pitti | 02:59 |
| Yagisan | JaneW - press a paperclip into the little hole | 02:59 |
| JaneW | lol | 02:59 |
| ogra | do you have anything accessing it ? | 02:59 |
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| ogra | JaneW, thats a but ... | 03:00 |
| ogra | bug | 03:00 |
| Yagisan | JaneW - use that as last resort | 03:00 |
| JaneW | eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument | 03:00 |
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| JaneW | no way the paperclip thing WORKS! | 03:00 |
| JaneW | I thought you were joking | 03:01 |
| JaneW | *GRIN* | 03:01 |
| Yagisan | JaneW - I was a hardware tech once | 03:01 |
| Yagisan | Still have my certificate IV on the wall | 03:01 |
| ogra | sure the papeclip works... but it wont solve the bug ;) | 03:01 |
| JaneW | Yagisan: thanks, saved me about 15 mins :) | 03:01 |
| Yagisan | JaneW - you use hoary too ? | 03:02 |
| JaneW | yes | 03:02 |
| Yagisan | ogra: that bug fixed in breezy ? | 03:02 |
| ogra | no idea | 03:02 |
| Yagisan | I go to breezy in about 1-2 hours | 03:02 |
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| ogra | i dont work on that area | 03:03 |
| Yagisan | final backup then format and working lvm on raid here I come :) | 03:03 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: ping | 03:09 |
| Yagisan | ogra: when you're not whipping yourself with xss or working on edubuntu - what other parts of ubuntu are you responsible for ? | 03:09 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: last quibble, the white section over the logo at the top of the page, can you improve the rounding so it follows the shape of the logo better? It is a bit elongated, and it need to be rounder... | 03:10 |
| JaneW | Yagisan: AudioCDBurning | 03:10 |
| JaneW | Yagisan: MOTUs, bugs | 03:11 |
| JaneW | Yagisan: ExpandingUniverse, LanguageSelector, mono, GraphicalPartitioningTool... | 03:12 |
| JaneW | not much | 03:12 |
| JaneW | ;) | 03:12 |
| Yagisan | LanguageSelector - that would mean I should bother ogra with all my multi-language desires :) | 03:14 |
| ogra | LanguageSelector is mvo ;) i was only second on that one... | 03:15 |
| ogra | as a placholder ;) | 03:15 |
| ogra | place | 03:15 |
| Yagisan | how is multi-language support in breezy compared to hoary ? | 03:19 |
| ogra | a lot better, thanks to rosetta | 03:20 |
| Yagisan | good, I remember the pain I had getting Japanese & English going nicely | 03:22 |
| Yagisan | why are there so many different input types! | 03:22 |
| ogra | becaus its a big world ? | 03:23 |
| Yagisan | and I can't RTFM because I can't read enough Japanese | 03:23 |
| Yagisan | I see kinput2, scim, canna etc | 03:23 |
| ogra | mako is working on getting that solved, but i dont know how much it improved for breezy | 03:24 |
| ogra | btw, when did JessicaX^ leave... ididnt see her going... just recognized the low noise in here :) | 03:25 |
| Yagisan | about when I logged in | 03:25 |
| Yagisan | about 2hrs 15 minutes ago | 03:26 |
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| Yagisan | crap she's going for my Ubuntu cd's | 03:29 |
| JaneW | ogra: just before I said YAY ;) | 03:34 |
| ogra | heh | 03:34 |
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| JaneW | Yagisan ogra: getting any sleep ? | 03:34 |
| JaneW | JaneW YAY | 03:34 |
| JaneW | JaneW she left | 03:34 |
| ogra | Yagisan, to answer that... i could need a nap... but want to have the remaining screensaver crap done | 03:36 |
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| Yagisan | ogra: you do know that you can die from lack of sleep don't you ? | 03:38 |
| ogra | nah | 03:38 |
| ogra | you only get crazy from it... :) | 03:38 |
| ogra | blblblbl | 03:38 |
| JaneW | no seriously you can DIE | 03:39 |
| JaneW | I saw a documentary last night | 03:39 |
| JaneW | I mean last week | 03:39 |
| JaneW | Body Hits | 03:39 |
| magnon | pfff :P | 03:39 |
| JaneW | they investigated lack of sleep | 03:39 |
| magnon | I lived three weeks on uberman sleep | 03:39 |
| JaneW | you can last 3 times longer without food than without sleep | 03:39 |
| magnon | I survived | 03:39 |
| ogra | your body simply takes the sleep if it need some... | 03:39 |
| JaneW | after 12 days of no sleep you die | 03:39 |
| ogra | *needs | 03:39 |
| magnon | ogra: no, your brain does. That's the most important sleep too | 03:40 |
| ogra | thats what i meant | 03:40 |
| magnon | body sleep is mostly a waste of tiem | 03:40 |
| magnon | time* | 03:40 |
| magnon | which is why napping is clever | 03:40 |
| Yagisan | magnon: I don't know about you - but my body needs a rest | 03:41 |
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| Yagisan | magnon: no kids yet ? | 03:41 |
| magnon | sure it does, but not really that much | 03:41 |
| JaneW | I feel CRAP after a nap | 03:41 |
| magnon | Yagisan: no, but I work about 24/7 | 03:41 |
| JaneW | I like SLEEEEEP | 03:41 |
| magnon | JaneW: you nap too long | 03:41 |
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| magnon | the body works in approx. 20 minute then 1h10 minute cycles | 03:41 |
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| Yagisan | magnon: after kids - you will be exhausted | 03:41 |
| magnon | where 20 minutes are light sleep, brain rest, and the rest is deep sleep, which screws you up if you get up from it | 03:42 |
| magnon | which is why alarm clocks are a really bad idea too | 03:42 |
| Yagisan | magnon: and if you can bottle whatever they run on - and sell it, the $$ | 03:42 |
| ogra | stop talking about sleep ! *yawn* | 03:42 |
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| JaneW | magnon: me too - if I have had enough sleep | 03:44 |
| JaneW | magnon: and not been drinking etc | 03:44 |
| Yagisan | I program my kids to wake me up | 03:44 |
| JaneW | I programmed mine to stop :P | 03:44 |
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| Yagisan | "Kate dad has to work late tonight - please don't wake him up" | 03:45 |
| magnon | JaneW: works at any time for me, drunk or not :P | 03:45 |
| magnon | but, I have to run | 03:45 |
| magnon | bye | 03:45 |
| JaneW | bye | 03:45 |
| Yagisan | 5am next day (2 hrs after getting into bed) "oh oh" | 03:45 |
| Yagisan | bye | 03:45 |
| Yagisan | if only kids had a mute switch ... | 03:46 |
| mpt | oy, more references to the mythical Ubuntu Manifesto | 03:48 |
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| shaga | Yagisan: sudo apt-get install mute-kids | 04:16 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: yes. it was a quick hack. it will be better. | 04:18 |
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| Zaheer | hello hello :D | 04:26 |
| Yagisan | shaga: it's not working | 04:26 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: how did you get the files on the MP3 player....? | 04:26 |
| shaga | then only way is to hardcode :/ | 04:26 |
| Yagisan | shagra: she's screaming her head off because she doesn't want to go to bed | 04:27 |
| Zaheer | i got a question again... might not be edubuntu related (think its more ubuntu) | 04:27 |
| highvoltage | JaneW: it works like a usb mass storage device, you just plug it in and copy the files over | 04:28 |
| Yagisan | shagra: I'll try to "re-program" her - but I'd be happy if you'd port apt to the kiddy arch :) | 04:28 |
| Yagisan | Zaheer: shoot | 04:28 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: that's what I thought, but it's not working *sob* | 04:28 |
| shaga | dpkg-reconfigure volume might work as well ;) | 04:28 |
| shaga | it'd be overall volume but would work that way as well | 04:29 |
| JaneW | highvoltage: I copied the files off, and then shuffled them and made chnages, and now it tells me there is not space to copy stuff on, even though it is empty | 04:29 |
| Yagisan | I'd like apt-get -purge attitude-problem myself | 04:29 |
| Zaheer | if i install edubuntu do i need to have an internet connection to install other packages? | 04:29 |
| Zaheer | i have all 14 debian disks can i not use those disk to install additional packages into edubuntu? | 04:29 |
| highvoltage | did you check if it was write protected ;) | 04:29 |
| highvoltage | Yagisan: please don't | 04:29 |
| Yagisan | Zaheer: no. | 04:29 |
| highvoltage | Yagisan: get aptitude, drop the attitude :) | 04:30 |
| Zaheer | :( so i need an internet connection | 04:30 |
| Yagisan | Zaheer: no you don't need internet | 04:30 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage - terrible twos started a few months early. She's like her mum, never listens to me | 04:31 |
| vmarks | hi all. | 04:33 |
| vmarks | I got an install error concerning packages while installing the preview of edubuntu- any thoughts on that? | 04:34 |
| Zaheer | so where do i install additional packages from.. i only have the edubuntu preview cd, but i would like to install the programming packes as well.. | 04:34 |
| vmarks | it was right after I specified which which eth interface to use for issuing dhcp | 04:34 |
| ogra | Zaheer, which programming packages ? | 04:35 |
| Yagisan | Zaheer: run synaptic - but if you can't find what you are looking for | 04:35 |
| ogra | vmarks, did you regard the install notes ? | 04:35 |
| ogra | (see topic) | 04:35 |
| Yagisan | you may need internet access - and to enable universe/multiverse | 04:35 |
| ogra | Zaheer, if its only compiler etc, you can install build-essential from CD, if its more you either need internet access or the (yet untested) DVD | 04:36 |
| Zaheer | ooh oooh where can i get the dvd from? | 04:37 |
| ogra | Zaheer, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/ | 04:38 |
| ogra | it contains all of main | 04:38 |
| ogra | which is about 4000 packages | 04:39 |
| ogra | (and 1.9 GB) | 04:39 |
| Yagisan | ogra: - that leaves lots of room for a "best of universe" hint hint | 04:40 |
| ogra | Yagisan, nope | 04:40 |
| ogra | its not possible... | 04:40 |
| Zaheer | i cant get there | 04:40 |
| ogra | Zaheer, works here | 04:41 |
| Zaheer | says i cant connect... do i need to register or sumthing? | 04:42 |
| highvoltage | ogra: how much space would i need to mirror ubuntu and edubuntu? | 04:42 |
| Yagisan | ogra - not even with "transparent-compression" (Yagisan ignores any hints) | 04:42 |
| highvoltage | i want to arrange hosting with a local isp. | 04:42 |
| ogra | highvoltage, some 100GB i think | 04:42 |
| ogra | highvoltage, ask elmo | 04:42 |
| highvoltage | ok. | 04:42 |
| ogra | Yagisan, it has nothing to do with space... | 04:42 |
| ogra | if i ship it, i have to support it | 04:42 |
| ogra | the CDs and DVDs can only contain stuff that is in the supported set (main) | 04:43 |
| Yagisan | ogra - really - you mustn't have learnt anything from large commercial software vendors :-P | 04:44 |
| ogra | Yagisan, i cant influence that... | 04:44 |
| highvoltage | ogra: thanks. i asked him in -devel, i think i'll mail him anyway. | 04:44 |
| ogra | its a tecnical limitation | 04:44 |
| highvoltage | oops, gtg | 04:44 |
| Yagisan | so what will you do with all the free space - source ? | 04:44 |
| Yagisan | ogra - I think you missed my joke | 04:45 |
| ogra | nope ;) | 04:45 |
| ogra | i just wasnt typing fast enough ;) | 04:45 |
| vmarks | ogra: well, truly, no. but I want to use final release anyway when I go live... | 04:47 |
| Yagisan | ogra - seriously - fill the space with the source code - it could be studied on software engineering classes | 04:47 |
| Yagisan | brb - crying baby | 04:47 |
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| ogra | vmarks, the ltsp package doesnt generate the dhcp.conf file dynamically yet... its important to use the right ip range for eth at install time (will be fixed before release) | 04:55 |
| ogra | vmarks, it needs to be in the 192.168.0.X range, you can change both, IP and /etc/ltsp/dchp.conf post install | 04:56 |
| Zaheer | have a great evening guys, bye :) | 05:00 |
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| vmarks | if I didn't get it at install time, can I fix it after the fact? | 05:14 |
| vmarks | ah. | 05:15 |
| vmarks | duh. | 05:15 |
| vmarks | post install. | 05:15 |
| vmarks | fixing now. | 05:15 |
| ogra | vmarks, the preview had a bug that prevented the default IP from being put into the installer | 05:16 |
| vmarks | ok, so I looked at the dhcp.conf file, and I adjusted my eth1 to have a 192.168.0.1 ip (that's the one I want to distribute dhcp on...) | 05:20 |
| vmarks | how far wrong am I so far? | 05:20 |
| vmarks | my eth0 which is connected to internet works fine- | 05:21 |
| vmarks | I want to have client terminal machines connect to eth1 | 05:21 |
| ogra | that should be ok... | 05:22 |
| vmarks | as near as I can tell it isn't running dhcp on that. and and on that eth1 interface, it's gateway should be the other eth (192.168.123.31) ? | 05:22 |
| ogra | try running dpkg --configure -a | 05:22 |
| vmarks | now we're talking! | 05:23 |
| ogra | nope, the gw should be in 192.168.0.X range | 05:23 |
| ogra | it should be your eth1 address... | 05:23 |
| ogra | the clients wont see the 192.168.123.X net | 05:24 |
| ogra | you need to configure the server to forward from eth1 to eth0 | 05:24 |
| ogra | there is a howto anywhere ... i think it was on the ubuntu wiki (search for ThinClient) | 05:25 |
| vmarks | in final release, a wizard or some automation would be convenient for that. | 05:25 |
| vmarks | although it's probably too late to ask for that now | 05:25 |
| ogra | yup | 05:26 |
| ogra | we dont target a 2 NIC setup yet... | 05:26 |
| ogra | so the second NIC is up to you... | 05:26 |
| ogra | supporting two NICs would mean to have transparent proxying (+content filter) working by default and a interface for easily configuring the forwarding stuff | 05:28 |
| ogra | both didnt make it in time for this release... but is definately targeted for the next release | 05:28 |
| vmarks | okay, so what do we target- a terminal server using one nic to get both internet from a router AND distribute dhcp over that same nic? | 05:29 |
| vmarks | I'm trying to understand. | 05:30 |
| ogra | we target a terminal server for one classroom.... everything else is next release ... | 05:31 |
| vmarks | ouch. | 05:31 |
| vmarks | understood. | 05:31 |
| vmarks | I was so ready to go school-wide. | 05:32 |
| ogra | (or up to you, its easy to set up a second NIC in the UI) | 05:32 |
| vmarks | yeah, I set up the second nic, but the forwarding I haven't got yet. | 05:32 |
| ogra | no LDAP etc integration yet.. | 05:32 |
| ogra | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowtoNAT | 05:33 |
| vmarks | ok | 05:33 |
| vmarks | well, that's on now.. | 05:37 |
| vmarks | better and better. | 05:37 |
| vmarks | now to find a PXE machine I can boot... | 05:37 |
| ogra | note the bug noted on EdubuntuTesting though (any help very appreciated) | 05:38 |
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| Yagisan | vmarks - the etherboot images at rom-o-matic can be configured with pxe support - so you don't have to look far | 05:44 |
| vmarks | well, no magic on netbooting- got to NFS and dumped out to terminal. | 06:10 |
| ogra | seen my last comment ? | 06:11 |
| Yagisan | yep | 06:11 |
| Yagisan | reboot - and what it magically work | 06:11 |
| Yagisan | s/what/wacth | 06:12 |
| Yagisan | damm I can't type | 06:12 |
| Yagisan | watch | 06:12 |
| Yagisan | I can't work out why it does that either | 06:12 |
| vmarks | reboot and it didn't. but then, I'm far too impatient sometimes. I'll pick this back up tomorrow. | 06:13 |
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| ogra | i guess because initramfs doesnt hand out the bootparms to the kernel... | 06:13 |
| Yagisan | vmarks - most I had was 5 reboots | 06:13 |
| Yagisan | when I have time - I'll trace it on the wire with ethereal | 06:13 |
| Yagisan | I just had a new pc arrive from ebay to start testing it with | 06:14 |
| vmarks | well, I had hopes this would be as easy as things are with the regular ubuntu distro. but I probably set expectations too high | 06:19 |
| ogra | its not released yet | 06:19 |
| vmarks | yes, there is that ;) | 06:19 |
| vmarks | I'm not whining, I promise you | 06:19 |
| ogra | :) | 06:19 |
| Yagisan | I found it just as easy as other unreleased versions - but I need a bit more flexibility for what I want to use it for | 06:20 |
| Yagisan | but ogra - when you get time - please let us pick whatever ip we like in install :) | 06:21 |
| vmarks | my overriding goal? school wide terminal serving, one nic for internet, the other for internal, dumb clients on teacher's desks and in lab for students. | 06:21 |
| ogra | thats my main bug to solve... | 06:21 |
| ogra | but as long as i'm stuck with this screensaver crap i simply cant... | 06:21 |
| Yagisan | vmarks - for me s/school/business | 06:21 |
| Yagisan | s/teachers/staff | 06:22 |
| Yagisan | <flamebait> but I liked xss as it was ... </flamebait> | 06:23 |
| ogra | vmarks, its easily possible... just requires more manual work that it will in next release :) | 06:24 |
| ogra | *than | 06:24 |
| ogra | but dont think its worse than in k12ltsp or any outher ltsp distro... (dunno how easy skole is to install though) | 06:25 |
| vmarks | ogra: a complete howto for that manual work would go a long way. | 06:25 |
| ogra | yup | 06:25 |
| ogra | its planned too... | 06:26 |
| vmarks | will that howto be around for release? | 06:26 |
| vmarks | I know I'm asking things that have been answered before. I'm sure of that. | 06:26 |
| ogra | we have the tuxlabs cookbook that explains everything... it just needs some adjustment... i think it will be there shortly after release | 06:27 |
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| Yagisan | night all | 06:40 |
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| siretart | hi | 07:29 |
| ogra | hey siretart | 07:31 |
| siretart | ogra: We just tested ltsp in edubuntu. works fine :) | 07:51 |
| ogra | yay :) | 07:51 |
| siretart | ogra: say, where is the teachers pet? | 07:51 |
| ogra | nonexistent yet | 07:51 |
| siretart | oh | 07:51 |
| siretart | ok | 07:51 |
| ogra | i planned to do it during these weeks... but now i have to rewrite xscreensaver... sabdfl request *shrug* | 07:52 |
| siretart | :( | 07:52 |
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| siretart | hi silvester :) | 07:59 |
| silvester | hi | 07:59 |
| siretart | ogra: may I introduce you silvester, | 07:59 |
| siretart | ogra: she is the one doing the 'zulassungsarbeit' about/with edubuntu | 08:00 |
| ogra | hi silvester :) | 08:00 |
| silvester | hi ogra :) | 08:00 |
| siretart | say, is there a possibility to make a 'default' user, which gets his home restore between logins? | 08:09 |
| siretart | I think of a contaminated environment for a pupil account | 08:09 |
| ogra | i wanted to use sabayon for that.... | 08:09 |
| siretart | s/restore/restored/ | 08:09 |
| siretart | sabayon? | 08:09 |
| ogra | but it doesnt work through X tunnels :( | 08:10 |
| siretart | :( | 08:10 |
| ogra | yes, you can make user profiles and can reset to them... | 08:10 |
| siretart | with sabayon or with another tool? | 08:10 |
| ogra | you can user it on the server directly though | 08:10 |
| ogra | with sabayon... | 08:10 |
| siretart | ah | 08:10 |
| ogra | its the gnome variant of kiosk mode | 08:10 |
| siretart | but sabayon does not work with ltsp clients, right? | 08:11 |
| ogra | the point is that it starts xnest with DISPLAY=:1.0 that doesnt work through a tunnel | 08:11 |
| ogra | since :1.0 isnt tunneled | 08:11 |
| siretart | hm | 08:12 |
| ogra | so it can only workj on the servers desktop directly | 08:12 |
| Burgundavia | ogra, rewrite xscreensaver? | 08:12 |
| siretart | ok. I think I have to dive in further how the ntsp setup really works | 08:12 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, the lock screen | 08:12 |
| Burgundavia | ogra, ah, fun | 08:12 |
| Burgundavia | ogra, we talking for breezy? | 08:13 |
| ogra | siretart, ssh -X $(server) x-session-manager ;) thats all | 08:13 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, yes :/ | 08:13 |
| siretart | over here, at the chummers internet cafe, we use a different approach | 08:13 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, it steals my time... | 08:13 |
| siretart | we have a shellscript, which rm -rf the users home completly and restores that from a tarball | 08:14 |
| ogra | siretart, but thats the future of ltsp... ;) | 08:14 |
| siretart | just before login | 08:14 |
| ogra | you ca do that indeed ... just call it in /etc/X11/Xsession ;) | 08:14 |
| siretart | excactly this is what we are doing over here | 08:14 |
| siretart | ogra: how about calling xnest with DISPLAY=ltspserver:1.0? | 08:15 |
| ogra | nope | 08:15 |
| siretart | some fiddling with x authority would be needed tough | 08:15 |
| ogra | ssh remaps DISPLAY | 08:15 |
| siretart | sure | 08:16 |
| siretart | this is a bit a security insanity, what I propose. I know. but it would be a quick hack ;) | 08:16 |
| ogra | just use the script you use currently and run it from Xsession... | 08:17 |
| ogra | or from the users .xsession | 08:17 |
| siretart | ogra: in this cafe, we don't have a ltsp setting, but a d-i/cfengine setup with workstations | 08:19 |
| ogra | siretart, yes but that would work :) | 08:19 |
| siretart | ogra: that 'default' account is only local on the machine. what is, when different ppl login with the same login? that would kill file from the live session | 08:19 |
| siretart | so a unique account for each machine would be needed | 08:20 |
| ogra | yes | 08:20 |
| ogra | not for each machine, but for each user | 08:20 |
| siretart | we are using it here for 'laufkundschaft' | 08:20 |
| siretart | I don't think it is really feasible to give each pupil an unique account | 08:21 |
| siretart | perhaps we can do at UBZ a plan for that | 08:22 |
| ogra | sorry, i'm chatting in 7 windows, pbuild 2 screensaver and care for 5 animals here... a bit slow... | 08:27 |
| ogra | siretart, thats planned... i'll upload my BOF list for edubuntu the next days | 08:28 |
| ogra | target for dapper/edubuntu is to have centralized user management for a whole school, menu setups for different profiles clustering of servers and clients by default etc | 08:29 |
| ogra | there is a lot planned | 08:29 |
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| ogra | pere_gone, really gone ? | 09:16 |
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| Burgundavia | ogra, you going to be paid full time for all this work? | 09:41 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, i *am* paied fulltime for my work for canonical.... this is one of my tasks | 09:42 |
| ogra | but there is plenty of other stuff for ubuntu i do... | 09:43 |
| Burgundavia | indeed, I felt bad about abusing mjg59, because I learned his is not getting paid to do what he does | 09:44 |
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| ogra | i'm sure he could if he would want | 09:45 |
| Burgundavia | I expect him to get snatched up when he finished school | 09:45 |
| ogra | probably... | 09:45 |
| Burgundavia | where the hwdb going? is more work planned for dapper on it? | 09:46 |
| ogra | yup... | 09:47 |
| ogra | i hadnt time in breezy to do anything... | 09:47 |
| Burgundavia | 110000!!! | 09:49 |
| ogra | yup | 09:50 |
| ogra | and the server still lives :) | 09:50 |
| Burgundavia | are you still storing in flat files? | 09:50 |
| ogra | yup in one dir | 09:50 |
| Burgundavia | that is mad | 09:51 |
| ogra | thats why i had to disable half of the services ... | 09:51 |
| ogra | bunzipping on the fly if 100 people access it simultaneously doesnt work | 09:51 |
| ogra | at least not with a PII 233 | 09:51 |
| ogra | it'll move to the DC after release | 09:52 |
| ogra | then i'll have more time i hope... | 09:52 |
| === Burgundavia really needs to finish writing his "yes, I will come work for you" letter to Userful | ||
| ogra | oh, i thought you already have a new job | 09:53 |
| Burgundavia | yes, but it pays minimum wage and doesn't involve computers | 09:53 |
| ogra | bad | 09:53 |
| Burgundavia | http://userful.com/ <-- basically asked me to come work for them | 09:54 |
| ogra | bah, flash | 09:59 |
| Burgundavia | and non-fre | 09:59 |
| ogra | they also have a linux based product... | 09:59 |
| ogra | so thats ltsp ? | 09:59 |
| Burgundavia | they only linux stuff | 09:59 |
| Burgundavia | not ltsp, mulitseat | 10:00 |
| ogra | ah | 10:00 |
| Burgundavia | they do seriously cool things | 10:00 |
| ogra | we too :) | 10:00 |
| Burgundavia | indeed | 10:00 |
| ogra | but with less HW costs :) | 10:00 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 10:01 |
| Burgundavia | but they are getting the linux desktop in the developed world | 10:01 |
| ogra | heh, we too (if i finish this release) | 10:02 |
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| Burgundavia | they are currently based on FC4 (ick) | 10:03 |
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| Burgundavia | I have been pushing hard for Ubuntu | 10:03 |
| JessicaX^ | Heey linescanner! | 10:03 |
| linescanner | hey you well | 10:04 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, but ? | 10:04 |
| JessicaX^ | hm? | 10:04 |
| Burgundavia | ogra, they haven't made a decision yet | 10:04 |
| Burgundavia | they are also looking at opensuse | 10:04 |
| ogra | bah | 10:04 |
| Burgundavia | my thoughts exactly | 10:04 |
| Burgundavia | I see clear roadmap for opensuse | 10:05 |
| JessicaX^ | Who is this? | 10:05 |
| ogra | do they want upgradeability ? | 10:05 |
| Burgundavia | I see no, that is | 10:05 |
| Burgundavia | JessicaX^, userful.com, a company that might hire me | 10:05 |
| linescanner | JessicaX My priv is broken again | 10:05 |
| JessicaX^ | Ahh, lol | 10:05 |
| linescanner | trying now to fix :) | 10:05 |
| JessicaX^ | Hmm, I thought you were comparing SuSe to Ubuntu | 10:06 |
| JessicaX^ | I was going to say - Suse is a teeeeeny bit bigger | 10:06 |
| ogra | JessicaX^, SuSE isnt upgradeable over 2 releases | 10:06 |
| JessicaX^ | I didnt even say that | 10:06 |
| ogra | you have to reinstall | 10:07 |
| JessicaX^ | I meant in terms of financial backing, office size, net gross | 10:07 |
| ogra | thats our bigges advantage :) | 10:07 |
| linescanner | Ogra it is if you keep your fingers crossed :) | 10:07 |
| linescanner | and toes :) | 10:07 |
| Burgundavia | ogra, nor is FC | 10:07 |
| ogra | hmm, i'm not sure if our financial backing is bigger :) | 10:07 |
| JessicaX^ | rofl, i am | 10:08 |
| JessicaX^ | Show me the payslips compared to suse | 10:08 |
| ogra | iirc SuSE was sold for 200 millon to novell... thast not much | 10:08 |
| JessicaX^ | Ahaha | 10:09 |
| JessicaX^ | And you've got more than 200 million? | 10:09 |
| ogra | and sabdfl surely has more... | 10:09 |
| ogra | even if he wouldnt push all his money into ubuntu | 10:09 |
| JessicaX^ | I asked you a question | 10:09 |
| JessicaX^ | do you have more than 200 million dollars | 10:10 |
| JessicaX^ | Yes/No | 10:10 |
| Burgundavia | ogra, sabdfl makes more in a good day than novell/rh combined do | 10:10 |
| ogra | me ? nope, i'm only a poor empoyee | 10:10 |
| JessicaX^ | ogra: hmm, i'm not sure if our financial backing is bigger | 10:10 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, yup | 10:10 |
| JessicaX^ | Wierd | 10:10 |
| JessicaX^ | 200 million as opposed to.. Paypal donations | 10:10 |
| JessicaX^ | hmmmmm | 10:10 |
| JessicaX^ | tough call | 10:10 |
| ogra | huh ? | 10:10 |
| ogra | JessicaX^, you know who funds and founded ubuntu, yes ? | 10:11 |
| JessicaX^ | Nope o.O | 10:11 |
| JessicaX^ | bill gates? :O | 10:11 |
| crimsun | google mark shuttleworth. 'nuff said. | 10:11 |
| ogra | pfft | 10:11 |
| JessicaX^ | :P | 10:11 |
| === JessicaX^ pulls our her purse and gives 10 million | ||
| JessicaX^ | price of fruit nowadays ;) | 10:22 |
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