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[02:28] ogra_: I hope you're sleeping :) === fersfei1 [n=fernando@201.250.17.46] has joined #edubuntu === fersfei1 is now known as FerS === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu === jsg_ [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu === Orbman [n=orbman@85-210-56-131.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu [07:14] gnome-applets and gnome-volume-manager seems to have been updated [07:14] I hope they don't crash anymore if I xkill gnome trays [07:20] by the way, why don't gaim appear into gnome system tray after killing trays? [07:33] yappers, no more gnome-applets crashing === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu [08:06] ogra_, when you have time, can you svn co to https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/breezy/edubuntu/ [08:06] ogra_, you'll be able to pull the source documents from there [08:06] at the moment, About Edubuntu is already done and im fixing the release notes later [08:07] i've made sure the entities are fixed so you won't need to pinpoint which goes which and just copy per forlder [08:07] and the scrollkeeper omf file is already updated === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.45.233] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [08:38] hi JaneW [08:38] hi jsgotangco [08:45] highvoltage: ping [08:46] highvoltage: I am at my desk today, so let me know when you want to do the webpage 'meeting' [08:46] webpage? [08:56] yes [09:07] JaneW, why are we merging wikis? [09:09] because we have to, and because a lot of the ubuntu wiki applies to edubuntu as well [09:13] if find it a jungle really [09:13] JaneW, do you cross stitch? [09:13] hehhee [09:23] jsgotangco: arrgh NO [09:23] hehhe [09:23] i was about to ask you to try out kxstitch [09:23] hehehe [09:24] jsgotangco: I can knit, crotchet and cross stich, but find all incredibly boring [09:24] a friend of main maintains it for debian [09:24] cross stitch our logo [09:24] hehe [09:24] I like quick results so if anything I use a sewing machine to whip something together quickly [09:24] I have a friend who is obsessed with cross stiching, I could get her to do it.... ;) [09:25] I am unconventional I would rather change a light bulb or solder something, than knit or sew ;) [09:25] in fact my hubby is more likely to sew, while I change a plug :) [09:25] *grin* [09:26] he made our outfits for a costume party last year.... === JaneW looks for the pics on-line... === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #edubuntu [09:30] JaneW: 11:30'ish okay for you? [09:30] ouch you just reminded me to fix my daughter's costume for her school play in a few days [09:30] jsgotangco: you're a guy, right? [09:30] i am [09:31] i don't cross stitch [09:31] that's why i asked JaneW [09:31] impressive. i can't do any stitching... [09:31] JaneW doesn't look the stitching type :) === highvoltage ducks [09:34] highvoltage: I totally agree :) === pere_poff is now known as pere [10:13] highvoltage: can I come and get my eagle? ;) [10:13] which landed yesterday ... [10:40] JaneW, what email is this regarding "About Ubuntu"? [10:41] mark wants it more professional [10:41] what part is this? the one that opens in Yelp? [10:41] System -> About Ubuntu? [10:42] yes [10:42] you have one blocker on this [10:42] YELP [10:43] (unless he wants it to look like System-> About Gnome) [10:47] JaneW, so its going to look the same for Edubuntu === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #edubuntu [11:19] "### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST" [11:20] that reads at the end of the /boot/grub/menu.list === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #edubuntu [11:32] sorry JaneW only seeing your eagle message now :) [11:32] highvoltage: it's ok it flew over here straight away [11:33] highvoltage: thanks - I see it's full of cool stuff :) [11:33] jsgotangco: is there anyway to improve the 'about' pages? I am not even usre I understand what is wrong with them... [11:35] improve aesthetically? [11:35] jsgotangco: here's what mdz said "The text should be condensed and clarified to the essentials. The page [11:35] layout should more closely follow the theme of the Ubuntu website and be [11:35] clean and readable." [11:36] JaneW, i don't know what they want exactly, sabdfl himself edited that page [11:36] and it's automagic [11:36] in that /boot/grub/menu.list [11:36] hehe [11:36] JaneW, it's mark's work mostly [11:37] (last minute edits he made) [11:37] yes I see sabdfl editted, ok them let's not mess with the text, just layout and formatting [11:37] JaneW, the only way to make that page beatiful is change it to html [11:37] is that possible? [11:38] which contradicts the current workflow with the translations [11:38] should there read ubuntu and automatic at the end of /boot/grub/menu.list? or is there need for those :p [11:38] JaneW, in a nutshell, we planned to do everything in html but in the last minute reverted back to xml because it borks translations [11:38] and now it seems html is being desired again [11:39] so i don't know what that makes us [11:39] in documentation [11:40] its bad enough that we had to revert back to xml a day after documentation string freeze [11:40] if there is a desire to "condense" the document, that would undermine the work being done by the translators, most of them finished already [11:41] if sabdfl or mdz is online i could easily explain the dilemna [11:44] now to make it beautiful in Yelp with the current doc format, that's impossible [11:44] yelp has its own stylesheets and changing it would bork the other documents [11:49] JaneW, ? === JessicaX^ [n=Admin@86.112.144.180] has joined #edubuntu [11:52] phone.. 5 mins please [11:55] shaga, there is a need for those and it would require heavy patching in grub to make it respect another text [11:57] (explanation is in the menu.list file) [11:58] Hello [11:58] hi JessicaX^ [11:58] Your name has changed again [11:58] :/ [11:58] not since yesterday morning when my xchat crashed :) [11:59] but since you mention it :) [11:59] :P [12:03] ogra: okay, just thought about it.. [12:04] jsgotangco: back [12:04] sabdfl is on line, was chatting to him earlier [12:04] hmmm, he has been idel for some time though [12:05] AHH [12:05] there it is [12:05] "Language, learning and color perception" [12:11] AH there we are [12:14] JaneW, so there's that's the dilemna [12:14] "Humans were also found to [12:14] turn inward in monotone environments, which may induce feelings of anxiety, fear and distress [12:14] resulting from understimulation. This lack of stimulation further creates a sense of restlessness, [12:14] excessive emotional response, difficulty in concentration and irritation." [12:15] hmmm [12:15] That was after a paragraph on why not to have brown colors around children in a learning environment [12:16] Mahnke, Frank H. and Mahnke, Rudolf H.. Color, Environment and Human Response. John Wiley & Sons, [12:16] Inc, New York, 1996. [12:16] JessicaX^, which brown colors ? === spacey [n=spacey@145.33.144.163] has joined #edubuntu [12:16] They said 4 shades of brown were all found to have a negative effect with children under the age of 10 [12:16] They didnt say though [12:16] It was a reference from another book, so [12:17] but what are *you* referring to ? [12:17] brown is bad? [12:17] o.O? [12:18] Nothing, i just remember before someone saying color doesnt matter === ogra wonders why people judge things they apparently dont even have seen [12:19] JaneW, feel free to reply on the list on the matter i'm going to do some groceries first [12:19] jsgotangco: I am not sure why I am being tasked with this, and to me it looks fine anyway... :/ [12:20] JaneW, oh well [12:20] Is there screenshots of edubuntu :/ [12:21] Lessee [12:21] Yep, pretty darn similar to ubuntu [12:21] -_- [12:21] JessicaX^, because its the same [12:21] plus some new artwork if we talk about the look [12:21] Oh my word [12:21] more colors :p [12:22] Rofl [12:22] BROWN [12:23] JessicaX^, please install edubuntu and make your judgement... i'll happily discuss every constructive statement [12:23] No you wouldnt :P [12:24] how do you know that ? [12:24] Because why would me installing it AGAIN do anything [12:24] you didnt make any constructive statement yet [12:24] That's what you say, because you're not actually bothered what other people are saying [12:25] ah, so you installed it already .... then you know there is no brown in edubuntu ??? [12:25] I suggested something the first moment i came in here before, and you and your team dismissed it because, with no experience of it, you know best [12:25] so wh the heck do you rant about it ? [12:25] JessicaX^: what are you actually here for? [12:25] Idling [12:26] I gave up trying to help [12:26] JessicaX^: this is a DEV channel and we have 2 weeks until our release date, so what we are putting in this release is set, and we are busy [12:26] Yeah, yeah [12:26] JessicaX^, this is not *my* team ... and obvoiusly the people in here agreed [12:26] http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=434&slide=4 <--- [12:26] JessicaX^: constructive suggestions and critisisms are more than welcome and will be considered for the next release [12:26] That's just something you probably copied and pasted [12:27] what? [12:27] That statement [12:27] that's someting I just typed [12:27] Listen, i'm just going to draw a line [12:27] You do what you do, it's right [12:27] I'll just not say anything :) [12:27] http://sha.rikos.org/edubuntu.png [12:28] not so brown for me at least [12:28] if you have a useful suggestion please list it on: http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuBelowZero and we can discuss it at our next developer summir where the dapper release goals will be discussed (in Oct/Nov) [12:28] Nah [12:28] s/summir/summit [12:29] It's not my project to say anything on [12:29] well then please stop being disruptive [12:29] :P [12:29] as it is we are short of resources and time [12:30] Then why are you chatting [12:30] If i need to do work, i stay off IRC [12:30] ;;-) [12:30] JessicaX^, simply because this channel is our workplace [12:30] Huh [12:31] This channel is a chat channel [12:31] nope [12:31] Yes it is [12:31] IR--->C<---- [12:31] this channel is the development channel for edubuntu [12:31] the place where we coordinate our wokr [12:31] work [12:32] Uh-huh === hurra [n=lolo@p54920473.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu === hurra [n=lolo@p54920473.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #edubuntu ["Konversation] [12:40] ogra: have the screenshots changed from these on OSDir? [12:40] ogra: specifically the boot image (is that what it's called?) etc [12:40] the usplash should be new... [12:40] yes ok [12:41] but i handnt time for a test install yet and jbailey broke the edubuntu-artwork package [12:41] ogra: I have to agree that that is not the best wallpaper (can it be changed, without adding to the size?) [12:41] hrm [12:41] fabbione fixed it an hour ago... [12:42] what happened to gartoon? [12:42] sure, select another one, i'll replace them [12:42] err, to gartoon ? nothing... afaik [12:43] JaneW, why ? [12:43] oh it is there [12:43] :) [12:43] did you change the font? I still think it needs to be bigger and possibly more 'fun' === FerS [n=fernando@201.250.17.46] has left #edubuntu [] [12:44] the esktop font is a comic font with 16px [12:44] *desktop [12:44] :) [12:44] sounds great [12:44] thanks [12:45] i fear if we change the app font it gets hardly readable... i thought about it [12:46] ok lets not mess with the apps [12:46] just the menus etc [12:46] is the wallpaper changable? [12:47] menus == apps (fontwise) [12:47] yes [12:47] just pick one we should ship, i'll exchange it in the package [12:47] I don;t have a problem with the wallpaper design, but the colour is the exact colour of baby pooh ;) [12:47] its bright yellow... the screenshots dont really show the right color... [12:48] just tell me which you want [12:48] so we could use the same idea but alter the shades and tones it would look good then... [12:48] (I am not knocking your wallpaper - just that I don;t think this colour has much appeal for under 16s) [12:48] i dont care for the wallpaper... it took me 10min to create ;) [12:49] there is no manpower lost if we change it... [12:49] well everyone loves 'edubuntu girl' is that too big? [12:50] i'll have to look if we can get it in a widescreen format... there is only a normal version [12:50] the filesize should be similar to the current one [12:51] I can ask Steve to modify if neccesary [12:51] else http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/Edubuntu-Waves_1024x768.png [12:51] or http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/Edubuntu-MexicoStreet_1024x768.jpg [12:52] let me know what dimensions and res you want [12:52] I'll get the creators to alter [12:52] Err. that second image looks wierd [12:52] i'd like that one without the odd bars on top and bottom: http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/Edubuntu-Breezy_3_1600x1200.png [12:52] the first is nice - Second is strange [12:53] I thought it was stucco, but it's pavement.. It looks really strange [12:53] Maybe if it was a long road, like a highway [12:53] But you can see all the chewing gun stuck on the pavement [12:53] JaneW, they are all to small :/ [12:53] JessicaX^: can you go to http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/?page=2&sort_by=add_timestamp&thumbnails_per_page=12&view=list&resolution=%&order=DESC , vote for the backgrounds there, the most popular ones will end up being used most likely [12:54] Nah [12:54] JaneW, we need at least 1600x1200 [12:54] you do what you like, i'm just saying, the second one doesnt look good [12:54] they look weird if you hae to scale them up [12:55] ogra: ok [12:55] Edubuntu-splash = yes [12:55] JaneW, can you ask the ubuntu girl guy if we could get a bigger version ? [12:55] edubuntu-girl rocks :D [12:55] ogra: sure [12:55] s/ubuntu/edubuntu [12:55] 1600x1200 or 1920x1440 [12:55] ok I'll mail Steve now [12:56] ugh, no it doesnt :P [12:56] edubuntu girl looks bad :/ [12:56] 1600x1200 and 1600x1000 are the default sizes we need [12:56] I'd say the only real 2 are - Splash, and Elephants [12:56] and regarding the responses that the one we should use... everyone on the mailing list semms to love it [12:57] s/that/thats [12:57] ogra: nod [12:57] although, the elephants idea is good, the logo looks bad on the actual wallpaper itself [12:57] And you can't be sure if that pic isn't liscenced elsewhere [12:58] JessicaX^: actually yes we can be sure [12:58] Ugh [12:58] I'm afraid the only good one is splash [12:58] The breezy ones just look strange [12:59] JessicaX^, i think thats very subjective [12:59] Huh [12:59] we'll go with the masses and there was a lot agreement for edubuntu girl in the ML discussion [01:00] JaneW, but there is no need to hurry... artwork changes can go in until last minute :) [01:00] there you go [01:03] I mailed Steve [01:03] great :) [01:03] breezy3-wallpaper just rocks [01:03] done voting [01:03] shaga: great thanks [01:03] i like it too... [01:04] :) [01:04] but i dont like the bars on top/bottom [01:04] a lot of Steve's stuff is pretty bright and busy, but it appeals to young children, and that's the idea [01:04] yup [01:04] Wow === Yagisan [n=jamie@220-245-252-194-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === ogra kicks xscreensaver [01:06] ogra: it is giving you hassles? [01:06] JaneW, its done... but there are some cosmetical things i dont find the reason for... and the code is undocumented... [01:07] jwz (xscreensaver author) is the worst coder ever... [01:07] ogra: and of course you've been documenting it right ? [01:07] thats why nobody touches xscreensaver :) [01:07] Yagisan, only my patch/changes... [01:07] i wont clean up his mess... regarding that we'll drop xscreensaver xompletely next release [01:08] ogra: so you are now the only person other then jwz that undersrtands xss then [01:08] hehe, yes... [01:08] probably josselin mouette from debian knows it too.... [01:09] heh [01:09] and it's gout the window staright after the release isn;t it? [01:09] s/gout/out [01:09] these patches going upstream ? === JessicaX^ [n=Admin@86.112.144.180] has left #edubuntu [] [01:11] ogra: getting any sleep ? [01:11] YAY [01:11] she left [01:12] who ? [01:12] ogra: does OSdir do the screenshots automatically? [01:12] Yagisan: JessicaX^ [01:13] troublemaker ? [01:14] yes === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.97.149] has joined #edubuntu [01:16] ah - google confirms it === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu [01:17] JaneW - you're reading my old design doc ? === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089CF36.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:19] no sorry I did open it but then rebooted, it's in my inbox, so as soon as I have cleared the other priority items I'll get to it... unfortunately it is going to take some time [01:20] grmbl.. [01:20] did i mention how much i LOVE my provider... [01:22] ogra: they still causing problems for you? [01:23] ogra: must cause lots of cursing with your u/ls and d/ls ! [01:23] they have a new reconnect process for the daily disconnect that crashes my router once a day [01:24] our ADSL line drops at least once a day, it is deliberate resets at the ISP with IP cycling to prevent you from hosting on the ADSL... [01:24] yes, same here... [01:25] but some weeks ago it just reconnected silently... now they upgraded theor headends... :/ [01:25] seems to be around 10am and/or 10pm but they do seems to vary the times too, to keep it interesting [01:27] JaneW - the PESOE and network security was entirely done by myself. PESOE is what you would be interested in [01:27] its after 24h regardless when i connected... [01:27] my ADSL drops 2-3 times a day - doesn't stop me hosting [01:27] PESOE? [01:27] JaneW - It's ythe heading in the pdf [01:28] be back soon - bath and dinner time for bub [01:28] Yagisan: yes if you are watching it but if the IP cycles it affects DNS entries etc, and the updates take time right? === linescann [n=linescan@62.121.26.69] has joined #edubuntu [01:32] JaneW - Dynamic DNS :) + ip check in ppp0 going up - and short dns live time [01:34] JaneW - aptitude install ddns3-client === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.121.19.97] has joined #edubuntu === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [02:17] ogra: edubuntu girl wallpapers http://www.torrefranca.org/art/edubuntuGirl.zip === spacey [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #edubuntu [02:36] great, thanks [02:49] ogra: newset http://www.ossn.co.za/edubuntu/3/ [02:49] newest even [02:50] hmm... [02:51] i think the three buttons on the top left should be of he same size [02:51] but else its fine... [02:53] and two larger buttons has a bit rasterized rounds [02:54] these are not the final graphics ;) [02:54] okay :) [02:55] the circle of kids is also rasterized on the edges :) [02:55] I was just going to say but then you revealed hidden secret about graphics :p [02:56] ogra: I gave highvoltage higher res logos and other formats etc [02:56] -typos(+it/+a) [02:57] yup [02:58] how can I force my CD to eject if it doesn't want to (without rebooting)? [02:59] JaneW, hmm -devel ? poke pitti [02:59] JaneW - press a paperclip into the little hole [02:59] lol [02:59] do you have anything accessing it ? === JaneW get paper clip [03:00] JaneW, thats a but ... [03:00] bug [03:00] JaneW - use that as last resort [03:00] eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #edubuntu [03:00] no way the paperclip thing WORKS! [03:01] I thought you were joking [03:01] *GRIN* [03:01] JaneW - I was a hardware tech once [03:01] Still have my certificate IV on the wall [03:01] sure the papeclip works... but it wont solve the bug ;) [03:01] Yagisan: thanks, saved me about 15 mins :) [03:02] JaneW - you use hoary too ? [03:02] yes [03:02] ogra: that bug fixed in breezy ? [03:02] no idea [03:02] I go to breezy in about 1-2 hours === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-87-74-29-228.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #edubuntu [03:03] i dont work on that area [03:03] final backup then format and working lvm on raid here I come :) [03:09] highvoltage: ping [03:09] ogra: when you're not whipping yourself with xss or working on edubuntu - what other parts of ubuntu are you responsible for ? [03:10] highvoltage: last quibble, the white section over the logo at the top of the page, can you improve the rounding so it follows the shape of the logo better? It is a bit elongated, and it need to be rounder... [03:10] Yagisan: AudioCDBurning [03:11] Yagisan: MOTUs, bugs [03:12] Yagisan: ExpandingUniverse, LanguageSelector, mono, GraphicalPartitioningTool... [03:12] not much [03:12] ;) [03:14] LanguageSelector - that would mean I should bother ogra with all my multi-language desires :) [03:15] LanguageSelector is mvo ;) i was only second on that one... [03:15] as a placholder ;) [03:15] place [03:19] how is multi-language support in breezy compared to hoary ? [03:20] a lot better, thanks to rosetta [03:22] good, I remember the pain I had getting Japanese & English going nicely [03:22] why are there so many different input types! [03:23] becaus its a big world ? [03:23] and I can't RTFM because I can't read enough Japanese [03:23] I see kinput2, scim, canna etc [03:24] mako is working on getting that solved, but i dont know how much it improved for breezy [03:25] btw, when did JessicaX^ leave... ididnt see her going... just recognized the low noise in here :) [03:25] about when I logged in [03:26] about 2hrs 15 minutes ago === Yagisan is watching my little girl chewing on a Win98 cd === Yagisan wishes he had a camera [03:29] crap she's going for my Ubuntu cd's [03:34] ogra: just before I said YAY ;) [03:34] heh [03:34] * JessicaX^ (n=Admin@86.112.144.180) has left #edubuntu [03:34] Yagisan ogra: getting any sleep ? [03:34] JaneW YAY [03:34] JaneW she left [03:36] Yagisan, to answer that... i could need a nap... but want to have the remaining screensaver crap done === macgyver2 [n=eric@unaffiliated/macgyver2] has joined #edubuntu [03:38] ogra: you do know that you can die from lack of sleep don't you ? [03:38] nah [03:38] you only get crazy from it... :) [03:38] blblblbl [03:39] no seriously you can DIE [03:39] I saw a documentary last night [03:39] I mean last week [03:39] Body Hits [03:39] pfff :P [03:39] they investigated lack of sleep [03:39] I lived three weeks on uberman sleep [03:39] you can last 3 times longer without food than without sleep [03:39] I survived [03:39] your body simply takes the sleep if it need some... [03:39] after 12 days of no sleep you die [03:39]