[12:56] <StR> Hi there..
[12:56] <StR> there is a problem with kde new way to manage keyboards..
[12:56] <StR> I cannot chose normal-us and dvorka-us together
[12:59] <StR> hi again1
[01:48] <Tonio-> Riddell: you were right about daniel's revuing, NO and NO :)
[01:50] <Riddell> Tonio-: uh oh
[01:51] <Tonio-> I found things a can't see even if I look very hard, like lintian errors I don't get on both source and binary, I don't know what options he uses
[01:57] <allee> Tonio-: which pkgs in revu?
[01:57] <Tonio-> kdetv and wlassistant
[01:57] <allee> 'k
[01:58] <Tonio-> allee: I agree that "depend: dhcpd | dhcp-client" can be removed, and that it should be Depends, but for the rest, I must say I don't know what to do
[02:00] <allee> I remember an discussion about dhcpd | dhcp-client  searching ...
[02:04] <Tonio-> well I added the Suggests because the homepage refers to the fact that the software can make usage of that optionnaly, but anyway, dhcp-client is standard so that can be removed and I will do it tomorrow, but apart from that...
[02:04] <Tonio-> * the diff to orig version from http://wlassistant.sourceforge.net/ is 1188 lines long 
[02:05] <Riddell> Tonio-: what's in the diff?
[02:05] <Tonio-> allee: I simply repackaged to tar.gz so I don't understand where is the difference....
[02:05] <Tonio-> I don't kno ;)
[02:05] <Tonio-> let me check ;)
[02:07] <Tonio-> Riddell: to me there is no difference, I simply repackaged to tar.gz..... when I change anything in the tarball I put that in the changelog ;)
[02:09] <Riddell> Tonio-: guess you could ask dholbach
[02:10] <Tonio-> Riddell: I may do yes ;) I will repackage it without the suggest line, because he is correct on that point but concerning the rest....
[02:11] <Tonio-> Riddell: and concerning disable rpath, what else can I do than adding this to rules -> DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS := --disable-rpath
[02:11] <Tonio-> he suggests to rebuild with disable rpath, but that should be done actually.....
[02:11] <allee> Tonio-: wlassistant should recommend a dhcp client.  Do you know any "public" WLAN with that does not use dhcp?
[02:12] <Tonio-> allee: so according to you Suggesting it is correct ?
[02:13] <allee> Tonio-: Use    Recommends: dhcp3-client
[02:14] <Tonio-> okay, I'll change this, but that's all I can do
[02:14] <Tonio-> allee: I don't understand his other comments, I will see with him ;)
[02:15] <allee> Tonio-: me too :(  
[02:16] <Tonio-> his is incredibly strict, that's completly amazing.... He can find a complete page of problems on the nicer package ;)
[02:16] <Tonio-> allee: I'm repackaging the tarball to tar.gz to be sure but well......
[02:20] <allee> Tonio: mkdir bz; untar tar.bz into it, mkdir gz untar your orig.tar.gz into it;   diff --uNr {bz,gz}/* 
[02:22] <allee> Tonio-: about 'Suggest: dhcpd | dhcp-client'
[02:22] <Tonio-> allee: yep ?
[02:23] <allee> Tonio-: it's a typo s/dhcpcd/dhcp-client/
[02:23] <allee> err wrong
[02:23] <Tonio-> okay
[02:23] <Tonio-> I changed that
[02:24] <allee> s/dhcp/dhcpcd/  I now remember the discussion
[02:26] <Tonio-> allee: and concerning this -> * could you try to rebuild with --disable-rpath
[02:26] <Tonio-> here is what I get when checking
[02:26] <allee> AFAIR dhcpcd is/was default in sarge/woody (or so) and I argued dhcp3-client is default in kubuntu
[02:26] <Tonio-> lintian -I /var/cache/pbuilder/result/wlassistant_0.5.4a-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[02:26] <Tonio-> tonio@Totoland:~/Desktop/temp/wlassistant-0.5.4a$     
[02:26] <Tonio-> nothing, so why does he suggests this ?
[02:26] <allee> then (but her is something wrong because dhcp3-client does only conflict but not provide dhcp-client in sarge :(
[02:27] <Tonio-> okay so what would you do ?
[02:27] <Tonio-> I added this Recommends: dhcp3-client
[02:29] <allee> that's fine, but what when another dhcp-client is installed?  that was the idea with the '| dhcp-client' part
[02:29] <allee> but we have to check that every dhcp--xyz- client Conflicts _and_ Provides dhcp-client
[02:30] <Tonio-> yep that's the reason I put both.....
[02:30] <Tonio-> in case another one is installed
[02:35] <allee> Tonio-: about rpath.  Pkg is build with --disabled-rpath, but check what's the output
[02:35] <allee> objdump -p /usr/bin/wlassistant  | grep -i path
[02:36] <allee> if you get an output something is wrong (I get no output here with the kde svn I had build)
[02:37] <Tonio-> about the tarball, damn, the upstream apparently made modifications without changing the version.....
[02:37] <Tonio-> I can see the differences
[02:37] <allee> Tonio-: looks like you pkging is based on Stan work.  So please include his changelog entries
[02:37] <Tonio-> --- bz/src/ui_main.cpp	2005-09-02 06:23:44.000000000 +0200
[02:37] <Tonio-> +++ gz/src/ui_main.cpp	1970-01-01 01:00:00.000000000 +0100
[02:37] <Tonio-> allee: for example
[02:38] <allee> Tonio-: you timestamp or tar is borked!   1970 ha
[02:42] <Tonio-> okay, but for example five files have been removed in the sources of the actual tarball.....
[02:43] <allee> Tonio-: kick upstream! 
[02:43] <allee> and rebuild new orig.tar.gz
[02:44] <Tonio-> lol, and my package isn't based on Stan's work.... I did it from the beggening, where did you see something from his work ?
[02:45] <allee> http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/wlassistant/trunk/debian/ 
[02:47] <allee> sorry if my memory was wrong :(  I mentioned several times the kde-extras repo.
[02:48] <allee> Tonio-: maybe that's the reason why I assumed it.   I'm sorry that I acused you!!!!!
[02:48] <Tonio-> allee: what's in package comes from his work ? I think nothing, or am I crazy ;)
[02:48] <Tonio-> okay ;)
[02:48] <Tonio-> daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn !!!!!!!!
[02:49] <Tonio-> you know what ? it is a sourceforge but !
[02:49] <allee> Tonio-: well, most of the stuff is done by him, with me holding his hand ;)
[02:49] <Tonio-> I can download on several servers and the tarball is not exactly the same........... shit !!!
[02:49] <Tonio-> sourceforge bug....
[02:50] <allee> Strange
[02:51] <Tonio-> yep....
[02:51] <allee> Tonio-: check control in kde-extras.  Looks like you miss some more pkgs
[02:52] <Tonio-> yep..... configure file is not good ;) It doesn't chek for the others.... I'm adding this
[02:53] <allee> Tonio-: seriously:  Why not download the kde-extras debian dir and add goodies from you dir that is missing in the svn version?
[02:54] <allee> s/add goodies/add your goodies/
[02:55] <allee> untar the orig.tar; svn co the debian dir and debuild -i  give you an deb.
[02:55] <allee> Tonio-: this way you can always to an svn diff and see what you changed and finaly submit the diff to debian
[02:57] <Tonio-> allee: that's something I sould do in the future yes, and it is faster than restarting from the begenning
[02:57] <Tonio-> allee: but at the moment I'm gonna repackage, reupload, and go to bed ;)
[03:00] <Tonio-> allee: also, what would you do with this (kdetv):
[03:00] <Tonio-> * jbailey gave a very reasonable comment to lintian-overriding instead of splitting libraries out: "i tend to prefer to keep lintian warnings as a reminder in the future in case something *does* grow a dependancy on it." 
[03:01] <Tonio-> the problem is that he gives a NO if there is any kind of lintian's message, so what would be the solution ?
[03:03] <Tonio-> allee: anyway, I'll se with him tomorrow, because I get confused on the NO given to kdetv.... thanks for your help and have a good night ;)
[03:03] <Tonio-> allee: wlassistant reuploaded, with the cganges with discussed.
[03:04] <allee> Tonio-: okay.  I hope you try the svn route soon.  commit right for you can be arranged!
[03:05] <Riddell> allee: I'm not sure if you have to be a MOTU for that or not
[03:05] <Riddell> suspect you do
[03:05] <Tonio|Away> allee: just before leaving, concerning svn, you were making reference to the patching of the .dektop file is that correct ?
[03:06] <allee> checking ..
[03:06] <allee> Riddell: yes, I've talked with sirt* (or so) already about this topic.
[03:06] <Tonio|Away> Riddell: I'll discuss with him tomorrow because I get confused on kdetv for example ;)
[03:07] <Tonio|Away> I refuses any apackages that gives a lintian error, and this time after an overriding, he tells me to leave the messages ;)
[03:07] <Tonio|Away> s/I/he
[03:08] <allee> Tonio|Away: I look at kdetv comments ...
[03:08] <Tonio|Away> to keep the error messages, excuse me
[03:08] <Tonio|Away> allee:  okay I'm waiting two minutes to get your advices on that point
[03:10] <Tonio|Away> allee: I just checked the deb with lintian -I, I don't see any message, while he says he can see "a myriad"...............
[03:11] <allee> i'll try to build here ...
[03:12] <Tonio|Away> okay
[03:13] <Tonio|Away> so have a good night ;) thanks for you help allee !
[03:13] <allee> Tonio|Away: nite!
[03:22] <allee> Tonio|Away: kdetv: configure check for libXvMC  but this lib is not installed (missing build-dep???)
[03:25] <allee> Tonio|Away: you install .so and .la files but no headers are installed.  So rm them.  AFAIU it should still work
[03:29] <allee> Tonio|Away: ldd /usr/bin/kdetv   seem not to find linux-gate.so, unnecessarily linked lib?????
[03:37] <allee> Tonio|Away: kdetv has an ITP and someone on kdetv homepage there are sarge pkgs.  sigh
[03:39] <allee> Tonio|Away: your manpages:  what is ding?  copyright does not mention the two docbook files
[03:42] <allee> Tonio|Away: desktop file in applnk -> applications/kde.  Ha, this one has even Categories and GenericName but no comment.
[03:45] <allee> Tonio|Away: in doc dir is a soft link 'html' that refers to kding.  
[03:50] <allee> Tonio|Away: oh desktop file in applications/kde _and_ applnk
[03:50] <allee> Tonio|Away: find . -name kdetv.png lists also twice installed images.  Very strange
[03:51] <allee> bed time. night!
[03:51] <allee> allee what to comment in revu ;)
[03:52] <Riddell> REVU thing to suggest at next ubuntu conference: allowing non-MOTU comments and a domain name I can remember
[03:53] <allee> but I have no trace in wiki, malone yet.  So it hard to apply for MOTU
[03:54] <allee> nevertheless I feel honoured by you wish!
[03:55] <allee> argl. much too late already ...
[10:51] <Tm_T> whoa!
[10:51] <Tm_T> finally fixed
[10:51] <Tm_T> libx11-6 or something like that
[10:52] <Tm_T> anyway, reconfiguring X to use nvidia ->
[11:05] <Tonio-> hi everyone.
[11:05] <Tonio-> allee: thanks for the feedback on kdetv, I'm making the changes today
[11:21] <Tm_T> :)
[11:21] <Tm_T> \o/
[11:21] <Tm_T> it's alive
[11:22] <Tm_T> hmm, but lost windeco & style
[11:41] <Tm_T> strange, apt returns this: ** (process:19204): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[01:02] <Tm_T> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/377601
[01:02] <Tm_T> hum
[01:05] <Riddell> Tm_T: gcc visibility is for dapper
[01:06] <Tm_T> ?
[01:06] <Tm_T> strange but all svn stuff I try to compile, fails
[01:06] <Riddell> that isn't a failure notice
[01:06] <Tm_T> yup
[01:06] <Riddell> there will be an error somewhere
[01:06] <Tm_T> there is
[01:07] <Riddell> Tm_T: egg is gnome's systray, it means update-notifier is complaining about something
[01:07] <Tm_T> oh
[01:09] <Tm_T> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/377605
[01:11] <Riddell> Tm_T: you have something that is still referencing libXcursor.la
[01:11] <Riddell> grep libXcursor.la /usr/lib/*la
[01:12] <Tm_T> a quite flood
[01:12] <Riddell> there shouldn't be anything
[01:13] <Tm_T> uhm
[01:13] <Riddell> you'll need to apt-get install  those packages that still reference libXcursor.la
[01:13] <Tm_T> ah
[01:17] <Tm_T> this will be interesting
[01:28] <JRe> Riddell: http://eventwatcher.sourceforge.net/
[01:28] <JRe> Riddell: it could be interresting
[01:30] <Riddell> JRe: looks interesting
[01:30] <Tm_T> Riddell: apt-get install ... well, doesn't fix it (?)
[01:30] <JRe> Riddell: i am packaging last version
[01:30] <Riddell> JRe: cool
[01:34] <Tm_T> I'm ready to cry, so great
[01:34] <Tm_T> rebooting ->
[01:34] <Riddell> Tm_T: apt-get dist-upgrade?
[01:41] <Tm_T> nothing to upgrade
[01:41] <Tm_T> sort of funny
[01:42] <Riddell> Tm_T: what .la file has libXcursor.la in it?
[01:42] <Riddell> name one
[01:43] <Tm_T> /usr/lib/libkaddressbook.la
[01:46] <Tm_T> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/377631
[01:48] <Riddell> which kdepim-dev do you have?
[01:48] <Riddell> should be 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu2
[01:48] <Tm_T> hmm
[01:49] <Riddell> apt-cache policy kdepim-dev
[01:49] <Tm_T> there' wasn't installed it
[01:49] <Tm_T> installing now
[01:50] <Riddell> ?
[01:50] <Riddell> how come you had /usr/lib/libkaddressbook.la then?
[01:50] <Tm_T> hmh
[01:51] <Tm_T> svn?
[01:51] <Riddell> well that would explain it then
[01:51] <Tm_T> er
[01:52] <Riddell> you either need to recompile all that stuff in which case it'll be made without referencing libXcursor.la or you need to install from breezy packages
[01:52] <Tm_T> I install from breezy package and then recompile if I can
[01:52] <Tm_T> but but
[01:53] <Tm_T> didn't fixed it(?)
[01:53] <Tm_T> hmm, testing more
[01:54] <Tm_T> nice loads
[01:54] <Tm_T> over 4
[01:56] <Tm_T> artsd x3 taking all from processor
[01:58] <Tm_T> hmm, finally some progress :o
[01:58] <Tm_T> oh thank you sir
[01:58] <Tm_T> ...no
[01:58] <Tm_T> same again
[02:09] <Tm_T> Riddell: I install as many kde -dev packages as possible to make sure there's no problem with em :p
[02:13] <Tm_T> Riddell: thank you, I think I'll get this working ok :)
[02:16] <Riddell> Tm_T: cool
[02:29] <verwilst> hello Riddell 
[02:33] <Riddell> hello verwilst 
[02:36] <verwilst> Riddell: how's da 3.5 builds? :)
[02:43] <Tm_T> Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/377671
[02:43] <Tm_T> that's what I can't figure out
[02:51] <Riddell> verwilst: I'm not doing any
[02:51] <Riddell> amu said he might do some
[02:52] <Riddell> Tm_T: what are you compiling
[02:52] <Riddell> Tm_T: most of those files don't come from kubuntu packages I think
[02:52] <Tm_T> kopete, koffice and kdepim 
[02:54] <verwilst> Riddell: i would like to do some too, but i have sooo little time lately :(
[03:00] <Tm_T> this is strange
[03:12] <Tm_T> Riddell: trying it hard way, moved those files
[03:17] <Riddell> Tm_T: you might want to try a fresh install, those kubuntu daily install CDs are looking nice
[03:17] <Tm_T> hmm
[03:18] <Tm_T> I have over 2300 packages installed + much compiled
[03:18] <Tm_T> fresh install... uuh
[03:19] <Tm_T> to another HD, I will
[03:20] <Tm_T> but some another day, I'm too tired :/
[03:20] <Tm_T> thanks for help :)
[04:30] <haggai> Riddell: hi, what happened with the LWE KDE stand in the end?
[04:30] <Riddell> haggai: George is going to do it
[04:31] <haggai> ah. worries about what?
[04:31] <JRe> Riddell: there is no libvisual package on debian ?
[04:31] <Riddell> haggai: if you want to go and help so we havn't someone who isn't an excitable school child on the stand that would be great
[04:31] <Riddell> JRe: what is it?
[04:31] <JRe> Riddell: it's seems to be needed by amarok
[04:31] <JRe> Riddell: to have the vizualisation plugins
[04:32] <haggai> Riddell: heh, well I looked at the Debian list and there are lots who signed up to help so I was thinking it might help if I helped with KDE
[04:36] <Riddell> haggai: that would be wonderful
[04:36] <Riddell> otherwise this is the public face of KDE http://www.gwright.org.uk/images/view.php?display=pictures/KDE/Ludex-2004/Jeff/cnv00002.jpg&width=402&height=600
[04:39] <haggai> Riddell: a young dynamic face..?
[04:47] <Riddell> one who inspired this http://ktown.kde.org/~charles/lwce2004/we-hate-george-wright.jpg
[04:55] <je4d> Riddell: btw, i def. can't make it to LWE now :/
[05:02] <Riddell> je4d: you're fired
[05:02] <Riddell> je4d: what are you doing?
[05:07] <Riddell> JRe: hmm, yeah, seems to be the case
[05:07] <je4d> Riddell: starting a job at symbian, training course starts monday
[05:07] <JRe> Riddell: I have started packaging it
[05:07] <Riddell> JRe: any idea when amarok started to need libvisual?
[05:07] <Riddell> is it 1.3?
[05:08] <JRe> Riddell: I think it's in 1.3
[05:23] <\sh> amu: ping
[05:24] <author-psi> \sh: amu ist am umziehen heute, er kann leider nicht online kommen
[05:24] <author-psi> sry for german words but i dont know how to say in english
[05:24] <\sh> author-psi: could you please be a bit quiter about things going on in the background regarding some domains? thx
[05:25] <\sh> author-psi: everybody can read those words of you in the logs...and I don't like it that this guy can read it
[05:25] <author-psi> \sh: oh i forget.. hui its a fatal error..
[05:27] <\sh> author-psi: actually it is
[05:28] <author-psi> \sh the logs will be deletet
[05:43] <StR> Hi all!
[05:43] <StR> :D
[09:05] <JRe> Riddell: I have packaged libvisual
[09:27] <JRe> Riddell: http://jr.falleri.free.fr/apt/sources/
[09:50] <tvo> Riddell: almost done
[10:37] <tvo> Riddell: ping