[12:03] <ppd> das ist ssl
[12:03] <StR> Knnen si in english sprechen?
[12:03] <mrmarcel> achja, stimmt 8-). Joar gerne, zur not kann ich ja immer noch neuinstallieren =)
[12:04] <mrmarcel> Ehm, also ich nicht, sorry : (
[12:04] <ppd> we can :-)
[12:05] <ppd> mrmarcel: hast du einen ssh server laufen?
[12:05] <StR> my brain hurts switching from spanish/english/german
[12:05] <ppd> you speak all these languages?
[12:06] <StR> ppd: just a little german
[12:06] <ppd> StR: where did you learn?
[12:06] <ppd> to speak German ^^
[12:06] <StR> in the german school in my country
[12:06] <mrmarcel> o.O
[12:07] <StR> aber ich habe fast alles vergesen....
[12:07] <konfuzed> hey there
[12:07] <ppd> and where do you come from?
[12:07] <mrmarcel> hi
[12:07] <konfuzed> I just had someone install kubuntu yesterday
[12:07] <StR> ppd: from Guatemala
[12:08] <StR> ppd: i preffer to forget german to learn programming languages...
[12:08] <konfuzed> however the ethernet cable was not plugged in and now the network interfacce is disabled
[12:08] <ppd> StR: nice. Haven't heard about a "German School" yet. but you shouldn't prefer to forget this nice language :-)
[12:08] <konfuzed> intel ethernet   and kubuntu is loading e100 according to dmesg
[12:08] <StR> ppd: lol...
[12:09] <StR> konfuzed: dou u use dhcp?
[12:09] <konfuzed> es
[12:09] <konfuzed> yes
[12:09] <ppd> I presonally only speak German, a little bit English and only very simple "school French"
[12:10] <konfuzed> but dhcp was not available during install because the cable was unplugged
[12:10] <StR> konfuzed: write in your /etc/network/interfaces
[12:10] <StR> konfuzed: iface eth0 inet dhcp
[12:11] <konfuzed> I could do that
[12:11] <konfuzed> but have to go over there
[12:11] <konfuzed> it is listed in the hotplug section of interfaces
[12:11] <mrmarcel> hmm... okay, ich installier "schnell" kubuntu neu ^^ und dann geh ich ins bett. thx, cya und gn8 @ all =)
[12:11] <konfuzed> eth0 that is
[12:11] <StR> konfuzed: try writing that line  in that file...
[12:11] <slow-motion> n8
[12:12] <konfuzed> and then reboot or what
[12:12] <konfuzed> ifup
[12:12] <konfuzed> ifdown
[12:12] <StR> konfuzed: yes... you could reboot
[12:12] <bobbyd> hi
[12:12] <konfuzed> ifup eth0
[12:12] <StR> konfuzed: if you want to try the dhclient you should write:  dhclient eth0
[12:12] <bobbyd> has anyone noticed the refresh in konsole is very slow?
[12:12] <StR> sudo dhclient eth0
[12:12] <bobbyd> with a lot of text it really slows down
[12:12] <bobbyd> I don't remember that under gentoo
[12:13] <StR> bobbyd: it is ok for me...
[12:13] <Rickyniano> I have a problem I don't know if it's a bug: I can't type accented chars in console text mode. Any of you can type accented chars in console text mode?
[12:13] <konfuzed> StR:  I take you mean at thte shell prompt vs in the interfaces file
[12:13] <StR> konfuzed: right
[12:13] <StR> shell:   sudo dhclient eth0
[12:14] <konfuzed> thx
[12:14] <konfuzed> Ill go over and try that out
[12:14] <StR> konfuzed: no problem
[12:17] <StR> konfuzed: did it work?
[12:21] <ep> How does konq determine the file type and associated icon.  I have several *.h files in a directory, one of them is an oddball, it shows a java icon. 
[12:22] <StR> what is ddball?
[12:23] <StR> konqueror ->settings>configure konqueror->file associations->text->x-c++ hdr
[12:24] <StR> ep? found it?
[12:24] <ep> a c++ header file listed in kongueror.  It shows a java icon instead of an Anjuta .H icon.  I right click and the properties dialog says it is of java type (i.e. *.java)  
[12:25] <ep> Its not it's name is bjplayer.h , its a text file .  It contains c++ code3
[12:25] <ep> i can't get rid of the java icon -- its driving me nuts
[12:26] <Rickyniano> I have a problem I don't know if it's a bug: I can't type accented chars in console text mode. Any of you can type accented chars in console text mode?
[12:27] <ep> i renamed it xxx.txt -- it turns into a text icon.  I rename it back to  bjplayer.h and it tuns back into a java icon.   So my question is:  How does konqoruer determine the file type?
[12:32] <StR> is the kopete in kde3.5b1 working for the msn messenger?
[12:33] <bng57> msg nickserv register unclejim
[12:33] <StR> Rickyniano: look for "XkbLayout"  in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:33] <ep> Yes Str, I found it.  "*.H" is listed in filename patterns, but not *.h
[12:34] <Rickyniano> StR: Mmmm... when I say "console text mode", I mean the console in Ctrl-Alt-F1, not konsole
[12:35] <StR> Rickyniano: ahhhh....
[12:35] <StR> Rickyniano: no...   what is your native language?
[12:36] <Rickyniano> StR: I'm Spanish
[12:37] <ep> Str, I added *.h (lower case) to the filename pattern.  bjplayer.h is still a java icon, all the other *.h icons are correct Kong thinks bjplayer.h  is a java type file.  Why?
[12:37] <StR> ep could you send me that file?
[12:38] <ep> sure
[12:46] <StR> ep: weird...
[12:46] <StR> ep: really weird
[12:47] <StR> ep: if you rename the file to .H it works...
[12:47] <StR> (but that's not the idea, right?)
[12:48] <ep> right
[12:48] <StR> ep try to logout and login from kde?
[12:49] <ep> ok
[12:49] <ep> brb
[12:53] <StR> there is a problem in the new way the dvorak keyboard is managed in kde...
[12:53] <StR> I cannot add a normal-us and a dvorak-us together
[12:56] <ep> Ok i restarted KDE, still a java icon --  I change the name and get a different icon, thein  I rename it anything.h and it will turns back into a java icon. 
[12:57] <StR> ep... it is really weird...
[12:57] <StR> try at #kde  ?
[12:58] <blackflag> hell all :-)
[12:58] <blackflag> hello all :-)
[12:58] <ep> no guess i will.  I'm going to play with it now -- its a challenge :-)
[12:58] <blackflag> I have  a question about proftpd
[12:59] <blackflag> can  I do "host header" with the server?
[12:59] <god-zero> doesn't kde sometimes read the first few bytes to determin type?
[12:59] <blackflag> so I can use multiple virtuell servers on the same IP wit different URL's ?
[01:02] <mrmarcel> hallo
[01:02] <mrmarcel> ist das empfehlenswert gleich nach der installation von kubuntu ein update aller pakete mit kynaptic zu machen ?
[01:03] <ep> Str, was the the icon a java icon on your system?
[01:05] <StR> ep: yes... well no because I have a preview of the file
[01:05] <mrmarcel> hm... i try it in english ^^... is it good, to update all packages after the installation of kubuntu ? via kynaptic ?
[01:05] <StR> ep: but it is tagged as java source
[01:06] <ep> i see
[01:06] <StR> ep: well... I don't care about the icons, because I rarely see them
[01:06] <StR> well... see you all tomorow
[01:06] <StR> I have to go now..
[01:07] <mrmarcel> cya
[01:07] <mrmarcel> gn8 :)
[01:09] <mrmarcel> gn8 @ all 
[01:11] <thehil>  does anyone know if there is a syntax highlighting GUI for umb-scheme?
[01:30] <tecknozic> hello
[01:31] <tecknozic> I've no sound in kubuntu
[01:31] <tecknozic> can somebody help me ?
[01:32] <jbasilio> tecknozic: any more info than no sound?
[01:33] <tecknozic> using kubuntu 
[01:34] <tecknozic> I've a gigabyte motherboard with an integrated sound chipset
[01:34] <jbasilio> and your saying that after the install you don't have sound, but you've never had sound, right?
[01:35] <tecknozic> exactly
[01:36] <tecknozic> any idea ?
[01:36] <jbasilio> run kinfocenter and look under "sound"
[01:38] <tecknozic> i'm on it
[01:38] <tecknozic> what detail could help you ?
[01:39] <tecknozic> my sndcard is a NVidia CK8S with ALC850
[01:39] <jbasilio> what does it say next to sound driver?
[01:39] <tecknozic> 3.8.1a-980706 (ALSA v1.0.6 emulation code)
[01:39] <jbasilio> ok.  how about card config?
[01:40] <tecknozic> NVidia CK8S with ALC850 at 0xfd001000, irq 21
[01:40] <jbasilio> ok. looks like it detected it.  can you run kmix?  see if you have anything muted
[01:41] <tecknozic> nothing muted
[01:42] <jbasilio> hmm.  go to a console and type alsamixer.  make sure your volumes are pushed up
[01:42] <jbasilio> also, from command line type "ps -ef | grep arts" ... anything running?
[01:43] <tecknozic> everything up in alsamixer
[01:44] <tecknozic> I typed the command...
[01:44] <jbasilio> ok.  weird.  in kcontrol have you restarted the sound server and run a sound test?
[01:45] <tecknozic> I restarted the sound server, ran a sound test, but no sound
[01:46] <jbasilio> no warnings or anything?  try killing the process from command line.  restart by just typing artsd
[01:47] <tecknozic> unix_connect: can't connect to server (unix:/tmp/mcop-ronan/localhost_localdomain-2179-433b2b74)
[01:47] <tecknozic> Error while initializing the sound driver:
[01:47] <tecknozic> device: default can't be opened for playback (Device or resource busy)
[01:48] <tecknozic> that's what is written with artsd
[01:50] <tecknozic> still there ?
[01:52] <jbasilio> sorry, in another tab.  ok.  well that says something then
[01:52] <jbasilio> not sure what yet.  lemme think about it.
[01:53] <tecknozic> ok thks
[01:58] <riddlebox> hello
[01:58] <riddlebox> has anyone gotten their wireless card to work?
[01:59] <Tonio-> riddlebox: I do
[01:59] <Tonio-> usong ndiswrapper
[01:59] <Tonio-> -> using
[02:03] <riddlebox> Tonio:how do you setup wep
[02:03] <jbasilio> tecknozic: apparently i can't send messages on your channel.  i thought i registered my nick but it says i haven't
[02:03] <tecknozic> nopb
[02:04] <jbasilio> tecknozic: do you have any other sound servers running?  esd perhaps?
[02:05] <tecknozic> i dont know
[02:06] <tecknozic> that's weird...
[02:08] <riddlebox> Tonio:how did you setup WEP?
[02:09] <musashiden> hey guys
[02:09] <musashiden> i need help really bad
[02:10] <musashiden> i just restarted my desktop and when it tried to come back up, the user interface did not appeared
[02:10] <jbasilio> musashiden: nvidia?
[02:10] <musashiden> yah
[02:10] <musashiden> but it was working just a moment ago...
[02:10] <jbasilio> try editing your xorg config file from nvidia to nv
[02:10] <musashiden> but why did it stoped working all of a sudden?
[02:11] <jbasilio> did you run any apt-get update stuff?
[02:11] <musashiden> no
[02:11] <jbasilio> since your last reboot?  nothing at all?
[02:11] <musashiden> nope
[02:11] <musashiden> it was just a normal reboot
[02:11] <musashiden> and now everything is like a terminal window, no user interface at all
[02:12] <jbasilio> graphical though?  i.e. x is starting up?
[02:12] <musashiden> it doesnt seems like it
[02:12] <jbasilio> do you have a mouse with an X or a big block
[02:12] <musashiden> a mouse?
[02:12] <musashiden> huh?
[02:12] <jbasilio> is your pointer a big X or a big white block
[02:12] <musashiden> there is no pointer
[02:12] <musashiden> is like a terminal window
[02:13] <musashiden> is like in windows when you boot up in msdos mode
[02:13] <jbasilio> i'm trying to figure out what you mean by "like" a terminal window.  it is or isn't.
[02:13] <jbasilio> ok.  sounds like it is.  edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change nvidia to nv
[02:13] <musashiden>  but why would it stop working all of a sudden?
[02:13] <jbasilio> can't explain why.  sounds like your nvidia driver crapped on you.  maybe try apt-get update apt-get upgrade
[02:14] <jbasilio> you should have a log from when X tried to start (assuming it tried to start)
[02:15] <musashiden> how do i access that log?
[02:15] <jbasilio> look in /var/log .. you should see log files like Xorg.*.log  the Xorg.0.log is the most recent one
[02:15] <jbasilio> i use vi .. i don't know what editor to recommend to you
[02:15] <jbasilio> pico maybe?
[02:16] <musashiden> ok
[02:20] <musashiden> hmmm
[02:20] <musashiden> i get this
[02:21] <musashiden> ror: temporary failure in temp resolution [fail] 
[02:21] <musashiden> or something like that
[02:22] <musashiden> hello?
[02:22] <jbasilio> back .. sorry.  you mean when you start up pico or in the log?
[02:22] <musashiden> iam in the xorg.0.log now, what exactly am i looking for there?
[02:22] <musashiden> when i start up kubuntu
[02:23] <jbasilio> EE
[02:23] <musashiden> EE?
[02:23] <jbasilio> yeah.  EE comes before the error messages.  you should have any
[02:23] <jbasilio> well, maybe a couple saying what EE is .. but nothing that has an error in it
[02:24] <musashiden> ooh, yah, found it
[02:24] <musashiden> it says:
[02:24] <musashiden> NVIDIA: failed to load the nvidia kernel module
[02:25] <verden01> hey can anyone tell me the difference between 5.04 and 5.10 preview?
[02:25] <musashiden> jbasilioq: hello?
[02:26] <jbasilio> musashiden: sorry.  afk'ing intermittantly
[02:26] <jbasilio> musashiden: ok.  sounds like the kernel is f'ed up.  or the kernel module for nvidia
[02:26] <musashiden> so how do i fix it?
[02:27] <Alzabar> hi people
[02:27] <jbasilio> if you switch from nvidia to nv it'll let you load X.  from there i'd run synaptic and reinstall nvidia* stuff
[02:27] <musashiden> hwhats the command to reconfigure X?
[02:27] <jbasilio> sudo pico /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:27] <musashiden> hurry! i gotta go!
[02:27] <musashiden> thanks
[02:28] <musashiden> thank you for your help
[02:28] <jbasilio> change nvidia to nv  (put a # in front of the line that has nvidia on it.  copy and paste the line and put nv on it instead)
[02:28] <musashiden> k
[02:28] <jbasilio> sure.  hope it works.
[02:28] <musashiden> me too
[02:28] <verden01> if i install kubuntu AMD64 can i still get java and flash to work?
[02:29] <jbasilio> verden01: if they are in the repository for amd64, yes.  don't know where to find that out though.  maybe peruse the .deb's on an iso?
[02:29] <jbasilio> my guess is yes ... they've probably been recompiled
[02:29] <verden01> thanx
[02:31] <verden01> can we get the kubuntu cd's free like ubuntu or do we have to pay for them?  BTW i don't mind paying.
[02:31] <jbasilio> i don't believe anyone does it for kubuntu.  i haven't seen a link on their page
[02:31] <verden01> k
[02:34] <jbasilio> tecknozic: did you fix your issue?
[02:34] <tecknozic> no
[02:34] <tecknozic> still without sound
[02:34] <jbasilio> tecknozic: last thing was "that's weird"
[02:35] <jbasilio> tecknozic: did you find another sound server running?  everything is loading correctly (it seems like)
[02:36] <jbasilio> tecknozic: is this a brand spanking new install you have?
[02:38] <tecknozic> what is "brand spanking" ?
[02:38] <tecknozic> I installed the system today
[02:38] <tecknozic> (i'm franch)
[02:38] <tecknozic> french
[02:38] <jbasilio> i won't hold it against you.  :)
[02:38] <jbasilio> this is breezy or hoary?
[02:39] <delltony> question: anyone know what the config file is for kmix to make it always default to the switch of pcm and unmuted?
[02:39] <delltony> switch=channel
[02:40] <jbasilio> brand spanking is just a silly saying ... i guess it is like a brand spanking new baby ... just emphasizing newness
[02:40] <jbasilio> delltony: i believe kmix saves its settings.  or you can force it to save settings and it'll restore them next time
[02:41] <delltony> alright well the question would be how
[02:41] <delltony> is it the kmixrc?
[02:41] <tecknozic> this is the hoary version
[02:41] <jbasilio> delltony: i take it when you quit and reload it isn't already being resurrected?  i think mine behaves that way.  as long as kmix starts on your desktop 'boot'
[02:42] <jbasilio> tecknozic: upgrade your kde to the latest stable (have you done that?  3.4.2
[02:42] <jbasilio> tecknozic: the kde that shipped with hoary stunk
[02:43] <jbasilio> tecknozic: http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[02:43] <delltony> well it defaults for me to 3D
[02:43] <tecknozic> I've gpt the 3.4.2
[02:43] <delltony> but only pcm works for me regardless of how many times i change it
[02:43] <tecknozic> got
[02:43] <jbasilio> tecknozic: just add deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main to your /etc/apt/sources.list file.  do an apt-get update ... apt-get upgrade
[02:44] <jbasilio> delltony: you've gone into the 'switches' section of kmix?
[02:44] <tecknozic> ok i'll do that and come back later. thks
[02:44] <jbasilio> delltony: the other alternative is to use alsamixer directly
[02:45] <delltony> yeah, i set it up but it doesn't write the changes to the config file thats why ask which one it is
[02:45] <delltony> i'm assuming its kmixrc
[02:46] <jbasilio> delltony: weird.  i just flipped 2 switches and exited kmix.  opened it up again and the changes were persisted
[02:46] <delltony> same sessioin yes
[02:46] <delltony> different boot no
[02:46] <jbasilio> delltony: try alsamixer.  not sure what else to tell you ... don't know what it persists to
[02:47] <delltony> why alsamixer?
[02:47] <delltony> i can control volume fine
[02:47] <delltony> thats not the issue
[02:47] <delltony> the issue is making kmix default to the channel of pcm
[02:47] <delltony> so when i use the slider on it it will raise and lower that pcm
[02:48] <jbasilio> ok.  i don't understand what pcm means.  
[02:49] <delltony> you have different ways of controlling sound
[02:49] <delltony> headphones
[02:49] <delltony> master volume
[02:49] <delltony> pcm
[02:49] <delltony> line in
[02:49] <delltony> so forth and so on
[02:50] <delltony> anyway you don't know thats cool
[02:50] <jbasilio> gotcha.  still don't understand problem.  i am curious as to what you are asking though.
[02:50] <delltony> okay let me try and explain it again :
[02:51] <delltony> you know that thing down in the system try that has a speaker on it
[02:51] <delltony> thats kmix
[02:51] <delltony> if you right click on it you see select channel
[02:51] <jbasilio> :)  yes
[02:51] <delltony> you then can select the channel in which your sound card uses
[02:51] <delltony> mine is a lappy so it uses pcm
[02:51] <konfuzed> ok so I fixed that new install to now activate eth0 with dhcp and its flyin
[02:52] <delltony> but by default it is set on boot to 3D
[02:52] <jbasilio> cool.  never did that before.  always 'just worked' for me on master
[02:52] <delltony> most do
[02:52] <delltony> but not all
[02:52] <konfuzed> is there a handy guide for installing win32 and other dozy software
[02:52] <delltony> thats why they changed it cause i filed a bug report a while back
[02:52] <delltony> and they finally changed it
[02:52] <jbasilio> cool.  excellent even.
[02:52] <jbasilio> but you are saying it doesn't stick on a reboot, right?
[02:53] <delltony> you win the golden wienner :) yes
[02:53] <jbasilio> i really don't want the award.  thanks though.  
[02:54] <delltony> haha
[02:54] <delltony> its just i have told you that 4 times already ;)
[02:54] <jbasilio> thanks for explaining it ... sounds like the bug isn't fully fixed yet.
[02:54] <jbasilio> delltony: you are getting what you paid for.  i've helped a lot of ppl here already
[02:55] <tecknozic> see u later jbasilio, thks a lot
[02:55] <jbasilio> delltony: and i'm also working on other stuff too .. usually sound/kmix problems are different
[02:55] <jbasilio> tecknozic: see you.  good luck
[02:55] <tecknozic> thks
[02:56] <delltony> thats fine and sorry to sound like a butt its just i couldn't understand why you keep asking the same question
[02:56] <delltony> thanks for your help though
[02:56] <jbasilio> right.  well sometimes i'm thick too.  but i appreciate the re-explaining.
[02:57] <delltony> well its just been a long day at work and i guess you could say i was kinda taking it out on you
[02:57] <konfuzed> there wasnt enough validation that what was said was understood thats all
[02:57] <delltony> sorry about that
[02:57] <delltony> sorry
[02:57] <konfuzed> is there a handy guide for installing win32 and other dozy software?
[02:58] <jbasilio> no worries.  i wish i could help, i'm sure you'll find out how to persist it though
[02:58] <delltony> look into winetools wine or qemu
[02:58] <jsubl2> konfuzed: http://wiki.ubuntu.com has some docs on all that
[02:58] <delltony> i prefer qemu actually but make sure you compile kqemu accelerator
[02:58] <konfuzed> which of those works best on kubuntu for computer phobics
[02:59] <jbasilio> i'm outta here.  g'night gents (and delltony)  ;)
[02:59] <konfuzed> ;^)
[02:59] <delltony> otherwise it will be slow as crap
[02:59] <delltony> later man
[02:59] <konfuzed> mmmmmmmmm
[02:59] <delltony> only thing is qemu doesn't support usb
[02:59] <delltony> however there is a fix for that per say you can use usboverip
[03:00] <konfuzed> hm not much software actually requires usb though
[03:00] <konfuzed> I suppose some camera stuff does
[03:00] <konfuzed> the odd usb ram stick
[03:00] <delltony> yeah that and printers
[03:01] <delltony> i just wasn't sure what you were using winblows for
[03:01] <konfuzed> so then any software running under qemu can not print to usb printers or work with USB cameras or usb storage
[03:01] <delltony> generally though you can get winetools and wine to run alot of win32 apps
[03:02] <konfuzed> im not the computer phobic by the way
[03:02] <delltony> correct he qemu (emulator) doesn't support usb however they are working on a module for it
[03:02] <delltony> man if you own a pc and willing to learn them thats all you need to know
[03:02] <delltony> really how do you think "geeks" learn them honestly they set there and dive it
[03:02] <konfuzed> but I had this nice lady install kubuntu by herself in order to recover from an MS windows exploit
[03:03] <konfuzed> ;^)
[03:03] <delltony> crash it and make it burn
[03:03] <delltony> then get on a pc and go to google and forums and whatever and ask and then after you fix it a while you actuall learn it
[03:03] <konfuzed> I want to drag this lady through it slowly instead of all at once
[03:03] <konfuzed> ;^)
[03:04] <delltony> i hate to be bashing windows but this is the truth. at work they come to me daily saying their computer is screwed up
[03:04] <delltony> then ask me why mine is never messed up, i go linux baby linux
[03:04] <konfuzed> ive just never been very good at knowing if software is easy for first timers to use or not.
[03:05] <konfuzed> my new policy is to carry the installer around for all MS complainers
[03:05] <delltony> konfuzed if thats the case then your friend will be tldp.org
[03:05] <delltony> t.he l.inux d.ocumentation p.roject
[03:05] <delltony> also i think its sourceforge that has a lost script that gives you a tip every time you click it
[03:06] <konfuzed> as soon as they agree that they dont need to back up any of their data but they do need to get rid of their MS Problems for good
[03:06] <konfuzed> presto
[03:06] <konfuzed> pop goes the cd tray
[03:06] <jsubl2> how many you converted konfuzed 
[03:06] <delltony> mine is have a copy of windows ultimate bootdisk
[03:06] <konfuzed> 2
[03:06] <jsubl2> you do this at work?
[03:06] <konfuzed> just got started
[03:07] <delltony> i have 3 people at work using linux
[03:07] <konfuzed> im on suse 9.3 for server testing
[03:07] <delltony> and i setup gentoo as a server for all our data
[03:07] <jsubl2> yeah suse 9.3 is what we use on the server side
[03:07] <delltony> and we use scp and ssh
[03:07] <delltony> and the ones that don't want to switch you cygwin
[03:08] <konfuzed> well im an independent consultant and service provider
[03:09] <delltony> i'm just an underpaid technomonkey
[03:09] <konfuzed> no employees just subcontractors and about 120 end users
[03:10] <konfuzed> delltony: I think that's what I said ;^)
[03:10] <delltony> haha i know the feeling
[03:10] <delltony> i mean i make good money but have to work my arse off for it
[03:11] <konfuzed> I work over time and dont really make good money
[03:11] <konfuzed> i m  too entreprenuerial
[03:11] <konfuzed> ;^)
[03:11] <delltony> well i'm a subcontractor too but i make sure the contract covers my estimated overtime or i don't do it
[03:12] <delltony> you live i the states?
[03:12] <delltony> in*
[03:12] <konfuzed> well my model is on small monthly service accounts and there is very little room to charge for my time
[03:12] <konfuzed> ;^(
[03:12] <konfuzed> I live in *
[03:13] <delltony> reason i say is i'm the programmer/IT specialist that installs and programs electric meters and gas meters and water meters to radio read
[03:13] <konfuzed> toronto
[03:13] <delltony> so basically each city i go to i eliminate about 25 jobs
[03:13] <konfuzed> hmmm
[03:13] <delltony> cause there is no need for a meter reader anymore
[03:13] <delltony> after i'm done
[03:13] <konfuzed> how bout that
[03:13] <delltony> cause they set behind a computer at the billing office and ht a button and it gathers all the reads
[03:13] <delltony> :)
[03:14] <jsubl2> pretty slick
[03:14] <delltony> you have a radio transponder that feeds to a centralized hub
[03:14] <delltony> and the hub is tied into the fiberoptic line
[03:14] <delltony> that is direct connect to the city 
[03:14] <delltony> its cool as hell
[03:14] <konfuzed> so then you could turn all these devices into a national WiFi MESH Grid
[03:14] <jsubl2> folks working low end jobs can usually find another low end job
[03:15] <konfuzed> ;^)
[03:15] <delltony> one thing that is messed up though and i know someone else will figure this out
[03:15] <delltony> the meters are magnetic as in they have a magnet that makes a pulse to the register
[03:16] <delltony> well you take a speaker from your car and place it on top of the meter and it will read 0
[03:16] <konfuzed> 0 what
[03:16] <konfuzed> 0 paid
[03:16] <konfuzed> or 0 due
[03:16] <delltony> 0 reading as in the meter stops
[03:17] <delltony> 0 due
[03:17] <delltony> the meter stops so no usuage
[03:17] <delltony> hell i can't spell :)
[03:17] <konfuzed> this details are important ;^)
[03:17] <konfuzed> can anyone here spell 2600
[03:17] <delltony> and it will not show a tamper because its technically not tampered
[03:18] <delltony> 453 i think
[03:18] <delltony> anyone besides me have trouble with gaim staying connected to msn
[03:19] <sproingie> most meters i've seen are ensconced in a big chunk o' metal.  a regular speaker magnet will get through that?
[03:20] <delltony> well if its a master meter or a badger meter yes
[03:20] <delltony> neptune are old school
[03:20] <delltony> but it has a register on it that comes off and its simply a magnet
[03:21] <sproingie> you'd think they would be able to detect a stopped meter with a load still going across it
[03:21] <delltony> so north to north generates a backwards pulse if you follow me
[03:21] <delltony> no cause the only way it knows it has water is the magnet goes back and forth
[03:21] <sproingie> oh, WATER
[03:21] <delltony> it sets at north so water goes thru you get south to north so you get a pulse
[03:21] <sproingie> i was thinking electrical, and wondering how in hell that scheme worked
[03:21] <delltony> then it kicks back and so on
[03:22] <delltony> oh electrical you can put aluminum foil around the meter
[03:22] <delltony> creates electro magnetic interference
[03:22] <delltony> :)
[03:23] <sproingie> yah the same kind used in hats
[03:23] <delltony> only thing is you get caught its a federal offense
[03:23] <delltony> 15 years for a few gallons of water
[03:23] <delltony> hell no
[03:23] <sproingie> there's cheaper and more legal ways to "tamper" with the electric meter anyway.  like generating your own
[03:24] <delltony> u would be amazed at the stuff i find
[03:24] <delltony> when programming these things
[03:24] <delltony> guys take jumper cables and jump out the meter
[03:24] <sproingie> i suspect some farmers are more inclined to tamper with water meters
[03:24] <delltony> actually there was a guy that use to work with use stole a meter from us
[03:24] <sproingie> tho i imagine irrigation meters are different
[03:24] <delltony> and installed it in his house haha
[03:25] <delltony> can you say dumb arse
[03:25] <delltony> oh get this
[03:25] <delltony> they pulled one guys meter cause he kept on turning it  back on
[03:25] <delltony> well i go out to program the meters and notice this guy watering his grass
[03:25] <delltony> i pulled it up in the computer and go hell this guy doesn't have a meter what the hell
[03:26] <delltony> so i took a metal detector around his box the dude had taken and piped around the meter box to bypass the meter
[03:27] <delltony> crazy stuff
[03:27] <sproingie> heh
[03:30] <atty> hi. i need help. i did try to install azureus but fail. and inform E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[03:30] <atty> can anybody help me
[03:30] <crimsun> download the azureus jar manually
[03:32] <atty> i'm not good in linux
[03:32] <atty> can u assist me?
[03:32] <crimsun> do you already have a JVM installed?
[03:32] <crimsun> (either via a JRE or a JDK)
[03:32] <atty> yes
[03:33] <atty> i did.. my limewire running fine
[03:33] <crimsun> what processor?
[03:33] <atty> i'm using laptop
[03:33] <crimsun> what type?
[03:33] <atty> pentium III 1.0gbyte
[03:33] <atty> ram 256mb
[03:34] <atty> HDD 20g.byte
[03:34] <crimsun> so you need to download http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/azureus/Azureus_2.3.0.4_linux.GTK.tar.bz2?download
[03:36] <atty> brb - download
[03:36] <atty> ok finish download
[03:36] <crimsun> now extract it in your home directory
[03:36] <crimsun> then run it
[03:37] <atty> extract? using ark ?
[03:37] <crimsun> sure
[03:38] <atty> finish extract to my home directory
[03:38] <atty> so i can use it now?
[03:39] <crimsun> java -jar azureus.jar
[03:39] <crimsun> or something similar (I don't have the tarball)
[03:40] <atty> ic
[03:40] <atty> thanks crimsun... it running in upgrate now for az plugin
[03:42] <atty> anybody using qcad?
[03:46] <`Nomad> I just installed it recently, haven't used it.  Do you need something easy?
[03:47] <crimsun> (he /parted)
[03:47] <`Nomad> oops, missed it
[03:50] <philipacamaniac> anyone running the latest snapshot of Breezy?
[03:50] <crimsun> I'm current as of 4 minutes ago
[03:50] <crimsun> doesn't really count as a snapshot, but...
[03:51] <philipacamaniac> heh, that's what I meant
[03:51] <philipacamaniac> close enough
[03:51] <philipacamaniac> are the Kmenu icons bigger than before?
[03:51] <crimsun> no I idea, I'm in GNOME atm.
[03:51] <philipacamaniac> I booted into it, but only for about 30 seconds before I had to shutdown my laptop and go somewhere
[03:52] <crimsun> that's the precise situation I'm in currently
[03:52] <crimsun> this coffee shop is closing, so I have to migrate to another with wifi
[03:52] <jsubl2> philipacamaniac: i am current but running the 3.5 beta..  have not noticed anything on the kde icons
[03:52] <jsubl2> 3.5 beta of kde
[03:53] <philipacamaniac> I mean the standard Kubuntu install. I think the default size has been increased , which is cool. I just want to know for sure.
[03:53] <philipacamaniac> kde 3.4.2
[03:53] <jsubl2> sorry no idea
[03:53] <philipacamaniac> ah well, tomorrow then
[03:53] <philipacamaniac> :)
[03:53] <jsubl2> that is a configurable item i believe btw
[03:54] <philipacamaniac> yes, but the problem is that we were missing a specific size of crystal icons for most menu items (22x22, I think)
[03:54] <chavo> philipacamaniac, you can adjust the size of the kmenu icons, but it's not in the config dialog.
[03:54] <jsubl2> the 3.5 menu icons look good
[03:55] <jsubl2> there are still a few missing adept for one
[03:55] <philipacamaniac> noticed that
[03:55] <philipacamaniac> has it been created yet?
[03:55] <jsubl2> no idea
[03:55] <philipacamaniac> on kde-artists there was a request for one
[03:55] <philipacamaniac> hmm
[03:56] <philipacamaniac> has your 3.5 beta been pretty stable?
[03:56] <jsubl2> yeah except same old problems with konq is all i noticed..
[03:57] <philipacamaniac> you mean random crashes
[03:57] <jsubl2> some nice little features.. like the pager is nicer
[03:57] <jsubl2> yes random crashes with konq.. well normally only with streaming video.. i like to watch news videos off of sites like cnn for instance
[03:58] <jsubl2> old folks like news.. i am old
[03:58] <philipacamaniac> I like foxnews, ;p
[03:58] <philipacamaniac> well, not their website (horrid design)
[03:59] <jsubl2> hmm.  i will have to check it out.  cnn recently changed their format.. news videos are free again
[03:59] <philipacamaniac> that's cool
[03:59] <jsubl2> have always liked cnn and si.com
[03:59] <philipacamaniac> cnn videos work in konqueror?
[04:00] <jsubl2> do for me... I install kmplayer and it handles it nicely
[04:00] <jsubl2> and mplayer
[04:00] <philipacamaniac> holy crap wow! foxnews plays embedded in konqueror. I hadn't tried their streaming video.
[04:00] <philipacamaniac> i'll go play with cnn
[04:00] <jsubl2> kmplayer i have to compile or get from  marillat.. probably misspelled  the debian video site
[04:01] <jsubl2> nice.. konq has some features i like.
[04:01] <jsubl2> which player do you use
[04:01] <philipacamaniac> kaffeine
[04:01] <philipacamaniac> w32codecs
[04:02] <jsubl2> i always have trouble getting kaffeine to work with wmv and asf type files
[04:02] <philipacamaniac> xine-engine, since I'm still in Hoary
[04:02] <delltony> where about in konquer can you find the option to make a folder view?
[04:03] <jsubl2> i read the faq on the kaffeine site and that did not help
[04:03] <philipacamaniac> the only trouble I've had is .mov files from my digital camera - sound is choppy
[04:03] <jsubl2> profile stuff
[04:05] <satafterh> Kubuntu 5.10 (Breezy) stable now?
[04:06] <jsubl2> is for me.. but there are still alot of changes going on.
[04:06] <jsubl2> i would recommend it unless you have a good feel of troubleshooting problems
[04:07] <satafterh> wwhat kind of changes
[04:07] <jsubl2> would not rathter
[04:07] <jsubl2> mostly to the xorg and core stuff.. kde 3.4.2 has been out a while and stable
[04:08] <delltony> anyone recall how to make konquer show you files like a windows tree view
[04:08] <jsubl2> i got the 3.5 beta just to see if konq would behave better
[04:08] <sproingie> delltony: it's one of the view buttons on the toolbar, "tree view"
[04:09] <satafterh> how is 3.5 working
[04:09] <chavo> delltony, go to View -> View Mode -> Detailed List View
[04:10] <jsubl2> good for me.. it was just the kde base and libs i believe.. all of it has not been released in beta 1.. although i did get kopete out of svn.. it has some enhancements i was hoping for.. buddy icon support for one
[04:10] <sproingie> more like explorer would be to hit f9 and click either home folder or the red folder
[04:11] <delltony> ok thanks
[04:13] <musashiden> hey yall, i need a little help here
[04:13] <musashiden> my nvidia driver is messed up, so i had to use nv instead nvidia in Xorg
[04:14] <musashiden> when i use nvidia, kubuntu loads up like when you reboot your windows computer in msdos mode
[04:16] <jsubl2> have you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[04:17] <musashiden> how do i REinstall it?
[04:17] <musashiden> cause its already installed, its just messed up
[04:20] <sproingie> apt-get install --reinstall
[04:20] <cyne> who can tell me why Kontact in Kubuntu doesn't know where Aspell is ?
[04:21] <cyne> aspell
[04:21] <cyne> aspell is in /usr/lib/aspell
[04:21] <cyne> Kontact can't find it, says to modify PATH. I try path in the console and it says "bash: path: command not found"
[04:22] <musashiden> sproingie: for example apt-get install -reinstall nvidia-glx ?
[04:25] <claydoh> cyne: have you checked that aspell is installed?
[04:26] <claydoh> an probably aspell-<your lag>
[04:26] <claydoh> err aspell-<your language>?
[04:28] <cyne> claydoh: , aspell-en is installed
[04:29] <hydrogen> claydoh: "aspell-62" not availible :P
[04:29] <claydoh> nor is aspell-91 heh
[04:30] <cyne> claydoh: so what now?
[04:30] <claydoh> dunno, it finds mine OK :(
[04:30] <cyne> hmmm Kontact does?
[04:30] <cyne> when writing an email?
[04:31] <cyne> Kmail
[04:31] <claydoh> yes
[04:31] <claydoh> BUT I am using breezy and kde 3.5
[04:31] <claydoh> but it worked before for me as well
[04:32] <cyne> ok
[04:32] <cyne> damn
[04:33] <claydoh> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=55209&highlight=aspell+kontact you are not alone
[04:33] <jsubl2> it is working for me... breezy with 3.5 kde.. i have installed apsell aspell-en and aspell15 according to adept
[04:35] <claydoh> try installing ispell
[04:35] <claydoh> kontact should look for that if it can't find aspell iirc
[04:36] <claydoh> well,
[04:36] <cyne> well i have an ispell within /usr/share/aspell
[04:37] <cyne> cyne@Zorro:/usr/share/aspell$ ./ispell
[04:37] <cyne> Ispell compatibility script for Aspell.
[04:37] <claydoh> nope, istall ispell from syaptic or from apt
[04:37] <cyne> ok
[04:37] <cyne> that's kynaptic :P
[04:38] <claydoh> :P synaptic is better, even for this kde guy 
[04:38] <jsubl2> the latest kubuntu daily installs adept which works ok with search functions
[04:39] <claydoh> yeah, adept is coming along rather nicely
[04:39] <jsubl2> it is good enough that i have not installed synaptic
[04:39] <cyne> hey it works now claydoh  ;)
[04:39] <claydoh> sweet :)
[04:39] <jsubl2> i don't have all the gnome stuff.. gnome stuff is a waste of disk space for me
[04:40] <jsubl2> so i  am happy to see the improvements in adept
[04:40] <claydoh> I keep just enough gnome for checking out some gnome apps
[04:41] <claydoh> luckily synaptic has vew deps
[04:41] <claydoh> but it looks out of place :)
[04:41] <jsubl2> i may need synaptic yet.. who knows
[04:42] <jsubl2> normally i only need good search.. i use apt-get build-dep for getting dev libs
[04:42] <jsubl2> you can suck in a bunch that way
[04:43] <jsubl2> The music and film industries are taking a new approach in their efforts to thwart illicit file-sharing on the Internet. They are releasing free software that can detect and remove programs used on PCs to swap copyrighted tunes and movies.
[04:44] <cyne> does anyone know of a good linux software which opens Dreamweaver projects?
[04:45] <cyne> claydoh: for future reference, how do i uninstall a software in Kubuntu?
[04:45] <cyne> do i just use kynaptic?
[04:45] <cafuego> ubotu is currently not available due to a blown-up router, ubotu_ is a backup. The address char is ~. The real bot should be abck within an hour or so.
[04:45] <Xorlev> cyne: Crossover Office
[04:46] <cyne> bleh i don't want to run dreamweaver i want a linux alternative :P
[04:46] <cyne> or something which will convert the projects
[04:46] <Phily> cafuego: what is ubotu a bot? how does it work
[04:46] <Xorlev> cyne: Nvu
[04:46] <cyne> thankyou :)
[04:46] <claydoh> cyne: yes, you ca use that
[04:47] <cyne> thanks claydoh 
[04:47] <cyne> will Nvu open my DW MX projects?
[04:47] <jsubl2> learn php
[04:47] <claydoh> cyne: i doubt it will
[04:47] <Xorlev> cyne: Just open the pages?
[04:47] <cyne> i have a degree in software engineering
[04:47] <cyne> :P
[04:47] <jsubl2> sorry my mistake
[04:48] <cyne> hehe it's ok
[04:48] <Xorlev> cyne: I don't think it will open the project files with FTP info a such...Nvu is a nice, lightweight editor.
[04:48] <jsubl2> i like php for web dev
[04:48] <Phily> does anyone know how to setup digital cam or usb mass storage so when they show up on desktop u can click it to open the directory, this is the only thing stopping my gitldrined from using linux
[04:48] <Xorlev> PHP is a server-side scripting language :P
[04:48] <cyne> Xorlev: i don't care about that, i just have a client with a site which was made with DW templates
[04:49] <cyne> Phily: use Kubuntu
[04:49] <jsubl2> Phily: and digikam
[04:49] <Phily> I am running kubuntu
[04:49] <jsubl2> my wife uses and like digikam
[04:49] <jsubl2> apt-cache search digikam
[04:49] <Xorlev> cyne: Ooh...yeah, not sure about that. You could always just open in firefox or something and rip it back.
[04:49] <Xorlev> cyne: Or upload and wget mirror it.
[04:50] <Phily> the mass storage device soes automaount and an icon does show up on desktop but if u double click I get an error message
[04:50] <jsubl2> whats the error message
[04:50] <Phily> wait i'll retry 
[04:51] <cyne> Xorlev: true.. it's ok i have access to the files themselves, just that the DW templates control every page... e.g. side nav bar. So that in DW i can change some text in the nav bar and DW goes and changes all the pages with the nav bar in it.
[04:51] <cyne> it wouldn't be a problem if i could just convert the templates to some other linux software
[04:52] <cyne> i'm sure i'll work something out :)
[04:52] <Xorlev> cyne: Just make separate pages for the nav bar and use a simple php include for it. <?php include("file.html"); ?>
[04:53] <Xorlev> Its how I do my pages. I make an include dir and include php files which have my header, footer, nav bars, etc.
[04:53] <Phily> jsubl2: /media/sda1 is a folder but a file was expected
[04:53] <cyne> yeah me too
[04:53] <cyne> Xorlev: actually that's a great idea, because the template parts are easily ripped out with regex
[04:53] <jsubl2> Phily: hoary or breezy
[04:53] <zyzy> HI ALL
[04:54] <zyzy> oopppss
[04:54] <zyzy> hi all
[04:54] <cyne> HI ZYZY
[04:54] <cyne> :)
[04:54] <Xorlev> Hello zyzy
[04:54] <Phily> jsubl2: hoary I,m not ready for breezy
[04:54] <Xorlev> Meh I need to crack down and learn more advanced regex.
[04:54] <zyzy> :D
[04:54] <hydrogen> regex is evil.
[04:54] <cyne> Xorlev, trust me i've been to regex hell and back... it's great :)
[04:55] <cyne> i had to migrate a plain text excel spreadsheet where the users had been entering in data in a random format into a database system
[04:55] <cyne> well, quite a number of spreadsheets actually
[04:55] <jsubl2> Phily: have you used that camera with other distros.. my camera worked out of the box... course i bring up digikam and it has a detect camer thingy.. don't use the media://sda1
[04:56] <cyne> Xorlev: it was quite a challenge to write regex's that would cover every situation. And even then we had to send back the ss to the client in order for them to correct a bunch of the data
[04:56] <Phily2> jsubl2: I have no problem mounting the camera (even auto mounting)
[04:56] <Xorlev> cyne: Heh, that sounds like it sucks.
[04:56] <zyzy> i find kubuntu very interesting, unfortunately, i have to switch back to windows, so this would be my second and last day in this kubuntu chat room
[04:56] <cyne> zyzy, don't do it!
[04:57] <Xorlev> zyzy: Why?
[04:57] <Phily2> jsubl2: the problem is using the desktop icons to navigate the mounted camera or any other removable media
[04:57] <zyzy> i have to finish my vb project
[04:57] <Phily2> zyzy: why not dual boot
[04:57] <zyzy> yea, ive thjought of that
[04:58] <jsubl2> Phily2: oo  sorry to bother.. i don't use that method.. i start digikam then plugin the camera.. never had an error message... sorry i wasted your time
[04:58] <Xorlev> zyzy: VB runs fine on a Windows install on VMware.
[04:58] <zyzy> really?
[04:58] <Xorlev> zyzy: Indeed.
[04:58] <zyzy> well, i was just starting to try out linux, so im not really familiar
[04:58] <zyzy> hmmm
[04:58] <Xorlev> I just moved completely to Linux a month ago.
[04:59] <zyzy> how is it?
[05:00] <Xorlev> Its...freeing
[05:00] <Xorlev> =)
[05:00] <cyne> i changed over 2 days ago
[05:00] <zyzy> freeing eh
[05:00] <Xorlev> And I feel secure. I don't worry too much about intrusions or virii.
[05:00] <zyzy> :D
[05:01] <zyzy> yeah, heard of that thing about linux
[05:01] <cyne> i can't find Nvu within Kynaptic
[05:01] <Xorlev> Virii can't survive in Linux the way its setup.
[05:01] <Xorlev> http://www.nvu.org I think.
[05:01] <cyne> i remember las time i used linux there was a kick ass IDE for php
[05:01] <zyzy> im thinking, once i finish my vb proj, im gonna switch back completely to linux
[05:01] <cyne> i don't remember what it was called
[05:01] <zyzy> but we have this philippine version which is bayanihan linux...a version of the redhat
[05:01] <Xorlev> zyzy: Theres a nice little basic language called purebasic thats portable from Windows and Linux.
[05:01] <jsubl2> quanta maybe.. now quanta is kdewebdev
[05:01] <cyne> zyzy... have you searched for alternatives? there may be something in linux that can open your vb projects
[05:02] <Xorlev> cyne: Zend Studio
[05:02] <Xorlev> I had in Windows, and now in Linux.
[05:02] <zyzy> i havent
[05:02] <cyne> Xorlev: hmmm Zend is for windows i believe, its a different one?
[05:02] <zyzy> ive just tried linux for  days
[05:02] <zyzy> lol
[05:02] <zyzy> but its interesting
[05:02] <zyzy> there things i dont understand, but theyre intriguing
[05:02] <Xorlev> cyne: Build on java, so its portable. They released versions for both.
[05:03] <Xorlev> Built*
[05:03] <cyne> hmm yes it's also commercial
[05:04] <cyne> i'm looking for freewares presenlty
[05:04] <cyne> presently
[05:04] <zyzy> #bayabihan
[05:04] <zyzy> #bayanihan
[05:04] <Xorlev> Zend is a cash cow, so I'd have little guilt in using unsavory means of acquiring it, even if I did buy it.
[05:05] <cyne> zyzy: look here: http://www.tucows.com/downloads/Linux/DevelopmentWebAuthoring/Languages/
[05:05] <Xorlev> To be honest, I got my key free from my job :P
[05:06] <cyne> fair enough
[05:06] <izut> Hi there. Do you know how can I disable the fancy nautilus-like konqueror file selection?
[05:06] <cyne> linux.tucows.com has plenty of linux software
[05:06] <cyne> izut, file selection?
[05:07] <Xorlev> zyzy: Give PureBasic a whirl.
[05:07] <cyne> izut, why would you want to do that?
[05:07] <cyne> izut, if you want nautilus, install ubuntu
[05:07] <izut> cyne: I don't know how can I say that... The file selection in the root menu.
[05:08] <cyne> izut, konqueror is integrated in every part of kubuntu.. you're better off installing ubuntu if you like gnome instead
[05:08] <izut> No no no
[05:08] <izut> :)
[05:08] <izut> I want to disable the fancy mouse selection from konqueror... I prefer the old fashioned way.
[05:09] <izut> Without translucence and stuff (I'm using KDE 3.4.2 - Breezy)
[05:09] <cyne> don't use the mouse then :)
[05:09] <izut> Heh.
[05:09] <cyne> use the keyboard if you want old-fashioned 
[05:09] <izut> Is that selection slow there too?
[05:09] <cyne> i don't know :P
[05:09] <cyne> did you try looking in the control center ?
[05:09] <izut> Press Ctrl-Alt-D
[05:10] <izut> Then press the mouse button on root window... Leave the button pressed and the move the mouse.
[05:11] <izut> You'll see a square used for selection (blue borders and translucent inside).
[05:11] <cyne> right
[05:11] <izut> Did you get it now?
[05:11] <cyne> yes
[05:11] <izut> It is really slow here, when I got huge squares.
[05:11] <cyne> well mine isn't a square, it is a dashed-square with no fill
[05:11] <Phily2> izut: how do you get a translucent box
[05:12] <izut> Phily2: I'm using Breezy.
[05:12] <izut> KDE 3.4.2
[05:12] <Phily2> izut: ok
[05:13] <izut> I want to revert to the dashed-square with no fill :)
[05:14] <claydoh> so you enabled the shadows and translucency?
[05:14] <claydoh> and can't find where the settings are?
[05:14] <izut> Hrm. I think it is enabled by default in Breezy...
[05:14] <claydoh> not here
[05:15] <claydoh> I had to turn it on
[05:15] <Phily2> can u install kde 3.4.2 on hoary
[05:15] <izut> claydoh: Where did you turn it on?
[05:15] <claydoh> but you ca find it in the control center
[05:15] <claydoh> under
[05:16] <izut> claydoh: Thanks :)
[05:17] <claydoh> under Desktop/window behavior
[05:17] <claydoh> *if* it hasn't changed from 3.4.2 to 3.5 beta
[05:17] <claydoh> or moved rather
[05:18] <izut> It is unmarked :(
[05:18] <claydoh> dunno then
[05:18] <izut> claydoh: Thanks anyway. Have to go bed now. Cya!
[05:19] <jsubl2> Phily2: check out http://kubuntu.org  look at the items on the right side of the page
[05:21] <Phily> jsubl2: Thanks
[05:22] <jsubl2> glad it helped
[05:26] <zyzy> Xorlev, thanks
[05:27] <zyzy> ill try it
[05:28] <Phily> jsubl2: updrading kde 3.4 to 3.4.2
[05:28] <Phily> jsubl2: download 96 megs
[05:29] <jsubl2> cool
[05:29] <jsubl2> 3.4.2 is nicer imho
[05:31] <Phily> jsubl2: I can't seem do find a changelog on kde to see the difference between the two versions
[05:32] <jsubl2> not sure where to find that
[05:33] <jsubl2> http://kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_4_1to3_4_2.php
[05:36] <Phily> jsubl2: Thanks but I was actually looking at it right now
[05:36] <jsubl2> :)
[06:01] <brad> hey
[06:02] <brad> anyone ther
[06:03] <crimsun> no. yes.
[06:10] <Phily> jsubl2: how again do you activate the selection box thing
[06:13] <jrattner1> can i use info from xev to link keys in KDE?/
[06:33] <moj0rising> Hello!\
[07:02] <McScruff> lo
[08:38] <joe_hehehe> hhi
[08:51] <elev> moro
[08:51] <elev> HALOOO!?
[08:51] <nikkia> morning elev
[08:51] <elev> hello someone from finland??
[08:51] <nikkia> not me
[08:51] <elev> morning from where are you?
[08:51] <nikkia> UK
[08:52] <elev> oh nice one
[08:52] <elev> whats the clock in US?
[08:52] <elev> tiem
[08:52] <elev> TIME*
[08:52] <elev> UK i mean sry*
[08:52] <elev> :DDD
[08:52] <nikkia> 7:50am
[08:52] <elev> holy shit!'
[08:53] <elev> ere in finland the time is 09:53
[08:53] <elev> wAS? 
[08:53] <nikkia> and not a good start to the day, either, just had to fight with the rediculousness that is the 'Mk II jewel case'
[08:53] <elev> oh no :D 
[08:54] <nikkia> elev, ever had to deal with one?
[08:54] <nikkia> they're like normal jewel cases, but child proof
[08:54] <nikkia> 18 trillion pressure points that have to be held down as you pull it open, grrr
[08:54] <elev> noo :D
[08:55] <elev> oh shit youre in trouble
[08:55] <elev> :D
[08:55] <nikkia> (my first DVD-A disc just came in the post, and DVD-A's use the 'advanced jewel case'
[08:55] <elev> Cuul :D
[08:56] <nikkia> on top of that, the email server at work has decided i no longer exist
[08:56] <nikkia> 'No such mailbox: INBOX'
[08:57] <elev> WAS!?!?!?!?!?!?
[09:01] <elev> how old are you?!
[09:01] <nikkia> you should know better than asking a woman her age, though if you must know, 34
[09:02] <elev> WAS?!?!??!? 34 :D holy holger aderssen :D
[09:50] <cyne> what's a good kubuntu ftp client?
[09:50] <CaiN_SA> gftp
[09:50] <cyne> nar that's g
[09:50] <cyne> gnome
[09:51] <crimsun> just use konqueror's built-in?
[09:51] <cyne> oh!
[09:51] <cyne> can you resume?
[09:57] <cyne> how do i download only certain filetypes? can i restrict the konqueror view to only certain file types?
[09:58] <crimsun> I don't know if you can resume via ftp, but I don't see why not
[09:58] <crimsun> that's more ftpd-dependent
[10:13] <mornfall> --> school
[10:22] <kairu0> hey all
[10:23] <kairu0> i'm running kubuntu hoary. can anyone quickly tell me what version of scim kubuntu breezy preview is using?
[10:23] <crimsun> 1.0.2-3?
[10:24] <kairu0> cool thanks
[10:25] <kairu0> it always segfaulted on me with colony 3 so i wanted to make sure its been updated
[10:57] <Chameleon22> i am getting an error message from xine: source seems to be encrypted when i try to play a dvd i bought and it plays fine in a normal dvd player... ideas?
[10:58] <ph8> region chipped?
[11:00] <ph8> konqueror's SIGSEV'ing on breezy when i try to start it
[11:00] <ph8> how would i go about reinstalling it? i can't deselect it as that would remove kdebase as well..?
[11:01] <whoiam> ph8: re-install konqueror 
[11:02] <ph8> cmd not found
[11:02] <ph8> ?
[11:02] <whoiam> ph8: open shell
[11:02] <ph8> yes..
[11:03] <whoiam> then type sudo apt-get remove konqueror and press enter
[11:03] <whoiam> then you have to type your root password
[11:03] <Rogue_Jedi_X> whoiam: He said he can't do that without taking kdebase along for the ride as well
[11:03] <whoiam> then again type sudo apt-get install konqueror and press enter
[11:05] <whoiam> ph8: press y no problem
[11:05] <ph8> won't i lose the kdebase and all my settings though?
[11:05] <Rogue_Jedi_X> whoiam: He wants to reinstall JUST konqueror, not kdebase
[11:06] <whoiam> no
[11:06] <whoiam> Rogue_Jedi_X: apt is not going to remove kdebase actually
[11:06] <ph8> it says it is
[11:06] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Whoops, nevermind then
[11:06] <whoiam> read "After unpacking 8462kB disk space will be freed."
[11:11] <ph8> that hasn't fixed my konqueror
[11:20] <cyne> i want to know how to expand the directories in tree view in konqueror
[11:21] <cyne> all at one time
[11:21] <cyne> anyone got an idea?
[11:23] <whoiam> cyne: try pressing * on /
[11:27] <cyne> doesn't work `:/
[11:28] <cyne> i want to download only .html and .php files from an ftp site... how can i do that with konqueror?
[11:28] <cyne> or kubuntu
[11:28] <The_Vox> use wget
[11:31] <cyne> wget?
[11:31] <cyne> ok
[11:36] <cyne> The_Vox: actually i need to get php and htm and html and jpg and gif and css and .txt except that many are not linked so can't be spidered with wget
[11:37] <cyne> The_Vox: i have FTP access to the site
[11:41] <The_Vox> use ncftpget
[11:42] <Tm_T> ssh!
[11:42] <god-zero> sorry, I'll login quieter next time
[11:42] <The_Vox> Tm_T: ssh for ftp access?
[11:43] <Tm_T> ftp is a bit unsecured imho
[11:43] <Tm_T> sftp/ssh2 ;)
[11:43] <The_Vox> ftp is absolutely not secure...but that has nothing to do with the question he asked
[11:43] <burepe> I am setting up a server with a faq from http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_5.04_p3 and there is a section on "Edit /etc/apt/sources.list And Update Your Linux Installation" and in the /etc/hosts file my host (I think) is called Ubuntu because I didn't change it during the install. How can I change the computer name? can I just do it in thisfile?
[11:43] <Tm_T> The_Vox: I know
[11:44] <Tm_T> hmm, breezy...
[11:44] <eolo> hi guys, i'm getting crazy in having an rtl8201 working with amd64bit ubuntu...someone had the same problem??
[11:44] <ph8> change it in that file
[11:44] <ph8> hostname <compname>.yourdomain.com
[11:45] <ph8> and /etc/hostname
[11:45] <ph8> which should also be <compname>.yourdomain.com
[11:45] <burepe> ok how do I changet the comp name
[11:45] <burepe> ?
[11:45] <ph8> and the dns for <compname>.yourdomain.com should resolve to that machine both ways
[11:45] <ph8> make one up?
[11:45] <ph8> my company servers are called rigel, mintaka and prodigy
[11:45] <ph8> so i set them up as above with rigel.mydomain.com
[11:46] <burepe> I don't have a domain yet, should I leave the file alone?
[11:46] <ph8> is this for a desktop?
[11:46] <ph8> It's not so important with desktops, just use sysname.localdomain or something
[11:46] <burepe> Just to get clear, I can change the comp/server name in this file?_
[11:47] <ph8> as long as you follow it up with the cmds above
[11:47] <ph8> never change the 'localhost#
[11:47] <ph8> * localhost
[11:47] <ph8> but that's it really
[11:47] <ph8> you could delete the line if unsure or even just leave it
[11:47] <ph8> But localhost is the important one
[11:50] <burepe> I'm a little confused. There is a line that says 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain     localhost          ubuntu
[11:50] <ph8> i see
[11:50] <burepe> Ubuntu is what the comp was called by default 
[11:51] <burepe> I didn't change it
[11:51] <ph8> you could delete the ubuntu if you want, but you don't have to. localhost and localhost.localdomain should always stay there
[11:51] <burepe> should I?
[11:51] <burepe> ok
[11:51] <ph8> i don't think it'll make any difference although the safe option is too leave it as it is
[11:52] <burepe> then I am settin the ip address at this like 192.168.0.100     ubuntu.example.com     ubuntu
[11:52] <burepe> I put thoes ubuntus in there
[11:52] <burepe> can I change them?
[11:52] <ph8> you shouldn't have two ubuntu aliases
[11:52] <ph8> why are you doing that?
[11:53] <burepe> because I don't understand
[11:53] <burepe> the faq says
[11:53] <burepe> 127.0.0.1       localhost.localdomain   localhost       server1
[11:53] <burepe> 192.168.0.100   server1.example.com     server1
[11:53] <burepe> Mine says ubuntu
[11:53] <ph8> that's odd
[11:53] <ph8> server1 is obviously <replace with your server name>
[11:54] <burepe> thats what I mean
[11:54] <burepe> is my servername ubuntu?
[11:54] <ph8> if you want it to be
[11:54] <ph8> My machine's called serenity
[11:54] <ph8> because i'm a geek
[11:54] <burepe> can I change it to anything?
[11:54] <ph8> i don't see why not
[11:54] <ph8> i don't think spaces are a good idea
[11:55] <burepe> I just watched that show for the first time
[11:55] <ph8> the movie?
[11:56] <burepe> so then in thoes two lines I can change all the server1 the name that I pick?
[11:56] <ph8> yes, but only the servername
[11:56] <ph8> the hostname (or FQDN) would be servername.yourdomain.com
[11:56] <god-zero> the 192.168... line looks superfluous
[11:56] <ph8> i agree
[11:56] <ph8> but if it's in the faq.. ! :p
[11:57] <nikkia> god-zero: it is, and it isn't :)
[11:57] <nikkia> modern libc will resolve round-robin on /etc/hosts....
[11:57] <Tm_T> hullo
[11:57] <god-zero> If you're on dhcp, 192.168.0.100 isn't guaranteed
[11:57] <nikkia> so, if you have a service that is listening on the outside IP address (192...) then the first host in /etc/hosts won't connect, and it'll round-robin onto the next
[11:58] <burepe> What I am doing right now is making a static ip
[11:58] <god-zero> k
[11:58] <nikkia> that's not to say i'd recommend having duplicate host names in /etc/hosts, but it does work
[11:59] <burepe> when I opend the file the first line was this 127.0.0.1       localhost.localdomain   localhost       ubuntu
[11:59] <burepe> does that mean that ubuntu is my server name?
[11:59] <nikkia> burepe: you're looking at this wrong
[11:59] <burepe> I know 
[11:59] <nikkia> burepe: the contents of /etc/host say nothing about what your system is configured as, its just a mapping from a name to a IP
[12:00] <god-zero> yes, typing "ubuntu" into koqueror would try to read your port 80
[12:00] <nikkia> apache can be a real pain if you access it with a name that it isn't configured to listen for
[12:01] <burepe> so my server name is ubuntu, right? can I change that? if so where?
[12:01] <nikkia> (eg, virtual directory access in absense of a index.html, it'll redirect to the listing, and possibly fail)
[12:01] <ph8> essentially in the /etc/hosts file
[12:01] <ph8> but also the hostname command (man hostname)
[12:01] <ph8> and /etc/hostname
[12:03] <god-zero> isn't apache's default rules to except all requests as *default www path*/index.html? that was how it acted for me.
[12:03] <burepe> so if I change the servername to woohoo then what would I change this example line from the faq to? 192.168.0.100   server1.example.com     server1
[12:04] <MeMyself> hi
[12:04] <ph8> i wouldn't include that line, does the faq not justify it?
[12:05] <burepe> what do you mean by justify?
[12:05] <MeMyself> i don't understand this thing
[12:05] <ph8> provide reasons for putting that line in
[12:05] <burepe> did you see the faq?
[12:05] <god-zero> are you trying to set up multiple virtual web hosts on one box?
[12:05] <burepe> http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_5.04_p3
[12:05] <burepe> I don't think so
[12:06] <burepe> I don't know
[12:06] <burepe> I want to set up a server and I am using this faq
[12:06] <ph8> i see
[12:06] <ph8> the faq looks a bit bleh
[12:06] <ph8> (bleh - technical term)
[12:06] <burepe> yeah
[12:06] <burepe> really
[12:06] <ph8> 192.168.0.100 is meant to be your static IP address
[12:06] <burepe> ?
[12:07] <ph8> which makes much more sense
[12:07] <burepe> yeah
[12:07] <burepe> thats what I did
[12:07] <ph8> so what's your static ip address? ;)
[12:07] <burepe> that 100 jazz
[12:07] <ph8> i doubt that's your static ip address
[12:07] <burepe> i set it by the faq
[12:08] <burepe> are you looking at the faq?
[12:08] <ph8> yes
[12:08] <ph8> you can't change your static ip address like that
[12:08] <ph8> it's not something you can set in a configuration file, it's defined by your ISP
[12:08] <ph8> you're likely to get seriously problems with your current config
[12:08] <burepe> not my router?
[12:09] <ph8> Are you configuring a desktop machine or a server?
[12:09] <god-zero> that's a class c domain, the router should work as lon as the first 3 fields match
[12:09] <burepe> desktop machine that I want to make a server
[12:10] <ph8> All i know is that 192.168* is a local subnet, which i didn't think would work as a static IP
[12:10] <burepe> oh
[12:10] <ph8> You might have to find someone with more experience
[12:10] <burepe> ha
[12:10] <burepe> omoshiroi
[12:10] <god-zero> the 127.0.0.1 line, that's the line that gives aliases to the loop back, anything on that line is ignored when dealing with the outside world
[12:11] <burepe> so what should I do?
[12:12] <burepe> start over
[12:12] <burepe> f the faq?
[12:12] <god-zero> so if you were on that actual machine, and typed "ubuntu" into konqueror, it will read your local port 80 (127.0.0.1:80), but other machines will not be able to refer to your machine as "ubuntu"
[12:14] <god-zero> the 192.168.0.100 line says "on the ethernet card with address 192.168.0.100, I an known as *fillintheblank*"
[12:14] <burepe> when I do that it says error occured while loading http://localhost.localdomain
[12:14] <god-zero> port 80 isn't open
[12:14] <god-zero> try 127.0.01
[12:14] <god-zero> prolly will fail unless 
[12:15] <burepe> type that in to konquer?
[12:15] <god-zero> apache is listening, and you have a /var/www/http/index.htmp
[12:15] <god-zero> any browser on local machine
[12:15] <burepe> error
[12:16] <god-zero> so, start apache, give it a test page to serve
[12:16] <god-zero> 127.0.0.1
[12:16] <burepe> I don't think I even installed apache
[12:16] <god-zero> that's kinda importaint
[12:16] <burepe> I just installed the desktop, firefox and went tothis faq
[12:17] <god-zero> you want to serve web, right?
[12:17] <burepe> yeah
[12:17] <burepe> ha
[12:17] <burepe> I know i will need apache
[12:17] <god-zero> just making sure
[12:17] <burepe> but I was following the faq
[12:18] <burepe> lets say I wanna play baseball and I've seen it, but I don't know the rules, so I'm reading a book. That's where I am right now. metaphorically
[12:19] <god-zero> that howto is rather complicated
[12:19] <god-zero> simpler:
[12:19] <burepe> ok
[12:19] <burepe> do you know another
[12:21] <god-zero> apt-get install apache2, start the daemon, put a test page in it's path
[12:22] <god-zero> the you can use konqueror, "localhost" or 127.0.0.1 to see it
[12:23] <burepe> ok one sec. I changed the /etc/network/interfaces file  the line that says iface eth0 inet static    static used to be different, was it dhcp?
[12:23] <burepe> just don't want to mess things up
[12:24] <chx> how can i make one line out of two in KATE?
[12:25] <god-zero> dhcp
[12:26] <god-zero> delete the <cr>
[12:26] <burepe> cr?
[12:26] <burepe> I don't follow
[12:27] <god-zero> the delete <cr> was for chx, I misses the fact he wasn't you] 
[12:27] <burepe> ok
[12:27] <burepe> sorry
[12:27] <god-zero> lol, I got confused for a sec
[12:28] <cyne> how do i specify multiple file specs within gftp?
[12:28] <chx> god-zero: d'oh I meant in regular expression replace
[12:29] <chx> nalioth: hi
[12:29] <burepe> god-zero: so I downloaded apache2. how do I start the deamon and put a test page in its path
[12:30] <burepe> ?
[12:30] <chx>   /etc/init.d/apache2 start
[12:30] <chx> but apt-get should start it for you
[12:30] <god-zero> it should be on.. I'm doing the same because last time I did this was a different distro
[12:30] <chx> and drop a html into /var/www i think
[12:31] <god-zero> the install put in a test page
[12:31] <god-zero> just brows to 127.0.0.1
[12:31] <god-zero> or localhost
[12:31] <god-zero> if you get a page, so far so good
[12:32] <burepe> I'm confused
[12:32] <burepe> how do I start it?
[12:32] <god-zero> it's started
[12:33] <god-zero> you ar now a web server
[12:33] <nikkia> morning nalioth
[12:33] <burepe> I browsed to 127.0.1 and got an error
[12:33] <god-zero> just open *browser* to page 127.0.0.1
[12:33] <chx> let me reformulate: how can i make a regular expression which creates one line out of two in KATE?
[12:34] <god-zero> 2 0s
[12:34] <chx> anyone has something to RTFM on how to set up a cache only DNS? I tried once recently, but failed :(
[12:34] <chx> google spits up bind4 and bind8 docs.
[12:34] <gdh> there's 'dnsmasq' for that ...
[12:34] <burepe> god-zero: error
[12:35] <god-zero> theres a good bind8 conf out there
[12:35] <nalioth> nikkia: good day :)
[12:35] <miguser> hi
[12:35] <god-zero> burepe: browse to "localhost"
[12:35] <burepe> erroer
[12:35] <DarkMaul> when updating with Kubuntu i can select many kernels
[12:36] <DarkMaul> why are they all showed
[12:36] <Tm_T> why not
[12:36] <nalioth> DarkMaul: choices
[12:36] <DarkMaul> worng choise and reinstall
[12:37] <god-zero> can you type "ps -A | grep apache" into a console... see if it's running...
[12:38] <burepe> just returned
[12:38] <god-zero> no lines like "10425 ?        00:00:00 apache2"?
[12:39] <god-zero> burepe: was the output empty?
[12:39] <chx> there are two packages that are kept back. how could cause apt to forget them?
[12:39] <cyne> i'm trying to specify multiple filespecs in gFTP like *.htm and *.php in the remote frame... any ideas as to what i can use for the seperator between filespecs?
[12:39] <burepe> yeah
[12:39] <chx> they are working fine and I do not want to update
[12:40] <burepe> no
[12:40] <burepe> there was an error with my security repostitories when I downloaded
[12:40] <klone> hello
[12:40] <nalioth> chx: dependencys not available would be one reason
[12:40] <klone> can sum1 give me a hand please
[12:41] <burepe> do you think that could be it?
[12:41] <god-zero> k, apache isn't running then. try "sudo apt-get install apache2"
[12:41] <cyne> klone, what's up
[12:41] <god-zero> again
[12:41] <klone> im having trouble installing firefox
[12:41] <cyne> klone, why would you use it when Konqueror is there? :P
[12:42] <klone> it says i havent got libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
[12:42] <god-zero> burepe: ok
[12:42] <klone> i like firefox
[12:42] <god-zero> yes, what error?
[12:42] <miguser> klone: using breezey, hoary?
[12:42] <klone> not sure :S
[12:43] <miguser> d'oh!
[12:43] <chx> nalioth: I know the reasons, the question is , how could I make apt forget about those packages :) ?
[12:43] <klone> error loading shared libraries
[12:43] <nalioth> klone: are you using backports?
[12:44] <klone> i dont know
[12:44] <klone> im a newb
[12:44] <nalioth> chx see the wiki for "apt pinning"
[12:44] <burepe> failure resolving 'security.ubuntu.com'
[12:45] <burepe> and failure downloading a package
[12:45] <nalioth> klone: have you visited ubuntuguide.com
[12:45] <god-zero> oh, the site goes down from time to time for a few minutes... we'll try again in say 10? mins.
[12:46] <chx> nalioth: thanks
[12:46] <burepe> ok cool
[12:46] <burepe> thanks for your help
[12:46] <god-zero> burepe: hoary or breezy?
[12:46] <burepe> klone: there is a kubuntu faq too
[12:46] <burepe> hoary
[12:46] <klone> where
[12:47] <cyne> i'm trying to specify multiple filespecs in gFTP like *.htm and *.php in the remote frame... any ideas as to what i can use for the seperator between filespecs?
[12:48] <cyne> or any other way to get multiple filespecs from ftp site?
[12:48] <nalioth> klone: i asked about ubuntuguide because it is BAD
[12:50] <god-zero> burepe: try "sudo apt-get update && apt-get install apache2"   .... I'll brb.... cigarette....
[12:52] <uwe> l
[12:54] <inc|freaky> hi all, i got a problem. i just installed kubuntu and i like it allready. but im trying to install yakuake (a terminal emulator popping down at the top of the screen) when i do ./configure it says: configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check --> what package am i missin?
[12:55] <Tm_T> adept is funny
[12:56] <Tm_T> I selected 21 packages to get removed
[12:56] <Tm_T> well, it started to remove 101 packages
[12:56] <Tm_T> including gstreamer & co
[12:56] <Tm_T> lovely
[12:57] <gdh> yup, that sounds like a laugh-a-minute to me.
[12:57] <Tm_T> gdh: =)
[12:57] <Tm_T> but hey, ctrl-c sotpped it :p
[12:57] <Tm_T> so no harm done
[12:58] <god-zero> burepe: I'm back. did "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install apache2" work?
[12:59] <burepe> no
[12:59] <burepe> still get the security error
[12:59] <burepe> maybe the repos are wrong
[12:59] <burepe> is there somewhere I can check them or get newones
[12:59] <burepe> or a mirror 
[01:00] <burepe> or something
[01:00] <god-zero> if you pastebin you sources.list, I can look at em
[01:01] <god-zero> pastbin.com ...... /etc/apt/sources.list ....
[01:01] <tigermb> how do i get the konqueror sidebar back?
[01:01] <god-zero> tigermb: f9
[01:02] <god-zero> burepe: sorry typo, it's pastebin.com
[01:02] <tigermb> thx
[01:03] <tigermb> and is it possible to get konqueror working in gmail?
[01:03] <god-zero> tigermb: not fully, no.. but basic stuff works
[01:03] <burepe> I think i know what the problem is 
[01:04] <god-zero> burepe: k
[01:04] <tigermb> a pity
[01:04] <god-zero> tigermb: I tried masquarading.. but it doesn't work
[01:04] <tigermb> yea i find that out also
[01:05] <tigermb> i would prefer konqueror to use the mozilla engine for browsing
[01:05] <tigermb> cuz mozilla doesnt integrate nicely in kde
[01:06] <god-zero> I think the prob is on gmail's end... 
[01:07] <burepe> god-zero
[01:07] <god-zero> yes
[01:07] <tigermb> yea but i prefer gecko engine 
[01:08] <burepe> since i started that faq I can't get on the net. I didn't realize it 
[01:08] <tigermb> and it's easy to blame gmail, while everything works with opera, mozilla, ie
[01:08] <god-zero> I was wondering about that
[01:08] <burepe> that jazz with the ip address 
[01:08] <god-zero> yep
[01:08] <gdh> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20040911-4175.html
[01:08] <gdh> not sure if anything came of this
[01:08] <burepe> can you look at the faq and tell me how to undo what I did
[01:08] <burepe> ?
[01:10] <god-zero>  Edit /etc/network/interfaces .... change static bach to dynamic... delete extra lines (ip addr etc)
[01:10] <burepe> dynamic not dhcp damn
[01:10] <burepe> ha
[01:11] <burepe> I knew something was fishy
[01:11] <god-zero> dhcp
[01:11] <god-zero> dhcp is dynamic
[01:11] <god-zero> I type as I speek in my head... not so good over irc
[01:13] <burepe> i did nothing changed
[01:13] <burepe> i restarted the network too
[01:15] <god-zero> should be "iface eth0 inet dhcp".... then "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"
[01:15] <god-zero> man is tha faq messed up
[01:15] <god-zero> how is you host file?
[01:17] <god-zero> really you only need "127.0.0.1   localhost.localdomain  computername" and maybe the ip6 stuff
[01:17] <burepe> nothing
[01:17] <burepe> maybe that is the problem
[01:17] <god-zero> get rid of the 192.168.0.100 line
[01:17] <god-zero> you want mine?
[01:18] <burepe> i never changed mine
[01:18] <burepe> I was going to but when you told me it was messed I just closed the file with out saving
[01:18] <god-zero> so your host file is still normal?
[01:18] <burepe> yeah
[01:19] <burepe> weird
[01:19] <burepe> huh
[01:20] <burepe> I think I got it auto eth0 is missing
[01:21] <god-zero> burepe: can you type in "hostname" for me & type the output here?
[01:21] <god-zero> 1 thing at a time
[01:21] <burepe> fixed it 
[01:21] <god-zero> ?
[01:22] <burepe> auto eth0 was missing
[01:22] <god-zero> in etc/network/interfaces?
[01:22] <burepe> above where I changed static to dhcp
[01:22] <burepe> yah
[01:22] <god-zero> k
[01:22] <burepe> added that now it works
[01:23] <god-zero> can you goto google.com?
[01:23] <burepe> google.co.jp
[01:23] <burepe> being I am in jp
[01:23] <god-zero> k
[01:24] <burepe> apache is installing
[01:24] <god-zero> great!!
[01:25] <god-zero> once it's done, konqueror "127.0.0.1" to see the test page
[01:26] <burepe> index of/
[01:26] <god-zero> I love the internet.. when I was a jid I'd never get the chance to chat with someone from japan
[01:26] <god-zero> good
[01:26] <burepe> yeah
[01:27] <burepe> where are u?
[01:27] <god-zero> jid -> kid
[01:27] <god-zero> minnesota
[01:27] <burepe> oh
[01:27] <burepe> infact 
[01:27] <burepe> i started a linux users group here
[01:27] <burepe> got like 5 people but it kinda fell apart
[01:28] <burepe>  and while i have been talking to you somebody joined and i  have been talking to him on our channel
[01:28] <burepe> he is from pennsilvaniya
[01:28] <burepe> sp?
[01:28] <burepe> and I am from connecticut
[01:28] <burepe> it is a really small world
[01:28] <burepe> the internet is crazy
[01:29] <god-zero> you're a transplant?
[01:29] <burepe> yeah
[01:29] <burepe> japanese and linux
[01:29] <burepe> i must be sadistic
[01:29] <DarkMaul> how do i install my nvidia under kubuntu
[01:29] <god-zero> lol
[01:29] <burepe> i was just joking about that with the other guy
[01:30] <burepe> japanese no problem, linux that is hard
[01:31] <god-zero> gotta be joking.. the japanese have somany odd customs, I'd be afraid of offending them every 12 seconds
[01:31] <burepe> i get that stuff
[01:31] <burepe> its natural for me
[01:32] <DarkMaul> ne body able to help ore what ?
[01:32] <god-zero> darkmaul: I have ati.... I'm sure someone'll be by shortly with the info you need
[01:36] <god-zero> burepe: your web page is in /var/www/apache2-default... you can read the man pages in konqueror address="man:apache2" if you set port forwading on your router for port 80 to your pc, you'll be able to host www on the web 
[01:41] <nalioth> ubotu: tell DarkMaul about nvidia
[01:41] <DarkMaul> omg
[01:41] <DarkMaul> how good
[01:41] <DarkMaul> :-)
[01:44] <burepe> cool 
[01:45] <DarkMaul> so easy
[01:45] <DarkMaul> hehehe'
[01:45] <burepe> how do I set port forwarding? I have a Japanese router and I can't find directions for it. I tried to do it for bittorrent. Any suggestion?
[01:45] <god-zero> are the controls in english?
[01:45] <god-zero> what brand?
[01:46] <burepe> no
[01:46] <burepe>  it is a
[01:47] <nalioth> burepe: visit portforward.com
[01:47] <burepe>  buffalo air station something
[01:47] <burepe> hold on
[01:48] <god-zero> my old neighbor had a buffalo wifi I 'd "borrow" from time to time.. :)
[01:51] <burepe> ok
[01:51] <burepe> this is the page http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Buffalo/WLAR-L11-L/BitTorrent.htm
[01:51] <god-zero> The basic idea is www is on port 80, so you want to forward incomming requests to the ip address of your pc. Alternately you can set up a "DMZ" which is complete/forward everything
[01:53] <burepe> Im not sure if it was this page but the thing that I read said that since I had to use a static ip address that everytime I restarted my comp I would have to reforward the ports
[01:53] <burepe> or something
[01:53] <burepe> which seems crazy
[01:53] <god-zero> you can read your current ip addr by typing ifconfig eth0. Dynamic ip isn't as dynamic as it sounds
[01:53] <burepe> this is english but the japanese interface looks the same but it lacks some of the parts for that the directions ask for
[01:54] <burepe> this is the page that lists programs faqs for that router, which one should I followhttp://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Buffalo/WLAR-L11-L/WLAR-L11-Lindex.htm
[01:56] <god-zero> http
[01:56] <DarkMaul> uhmm it seems like the driver is installed
[01:56] <DarkMaul> but dos not work'
[01:56] <burepe> ok Ill try
[01:56] <DarkMaul> could it be a problem that i instaled a newer kernel
[01:56] <burepe> thanks for your help god-zero
[01:57] <god-zero> darkmaul: yes, updating your kenel will gum it up ... rinstall nvidea stuff
[01:57] <burepe> after that do you have any suggestions about installing mysql, cpanel and drupal
[01:57] <burepe> is there a faq I can follow? or
[01:57] <burepe> something
[01:57] <burepe> ?
[01:58] <god-zero> mysql is simply a apy-get, but then you cave to do some post install setup
[01:58] <burepe> ok
[01:58] <havoc> what is drupal?
[01:58] <god-zero> cpanel: never used.. proly just a apt-get, plus forward another port?
[01:59] <P3L|C4N0> drupal is a CMS
[01:59] <havoc> cpanel should just run on port 80
[01:59] <havoc> P3L|C4N0: thanx
[02:00] <god-zero> burepe: apt-get those, read up on em, but come back here to ask questions rather than relie on those funky howtos... (man was that one bad... grr)
[02:02] <burepe> ok
[02:02] <ppd> hi
[02:03] <burepe> what is a cms
[02:03] <burepe> ?
[02:03] <ppd> who can I add an entry to my "right click on desktop" menu for "konsole"?
[02:03] <havoc> content management system
[02:03] <ppd> how
[02:03] <burepe> yeah
[02:03] <god-zero> burepe: after apt-get, man:package name for more info. cms=content management system
[02:03] <burepe> ok
[02:04] <burepe> thanks
[02:04] <burepe> for real thanks alot 
[02:04] <burepe> you too havoc
[02:04] <god-zero> np
[02:05] <havoc> burepe: um, ok :)
[02:07] <DarkMaul> that nvidia install dosnt work
[02:07] <DarkMaul> glxgears gives me nothing
[02:08] <god-zero> ppd: I don't think there's a setting for that... you have to be in a folder
[02:08] <god-zero> *i think*
[02:10] <DarkMaul> okay found it
[02:10] <DarkMaul> it didnt turn on 3d accel
[02:10] <DarkMaul> how do i turn that on
[02:11] <DarkMaul> bah this is prolly that breezy edition interfering
[02:12] <god-zero> Darkmaul: I know with an ati, you have to reboot to get the right kernel setup (ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't work)
[02:12] <Tm_T> :p
[02:13] <DarkMaul> everything that is new, brings new errors
[02:13] <DarkMaul> lol
[02:13] <havoc> I had to use the fglrx driver w/ my ATI to get crap working right
[02:13] <havoc> otherwise it would lock up hard whenever any 3d crap was dispalyed
[02:14] <ppd> god-zero: thanks. I was eating ;-)
[02:14] <DarkMaul> iam downloading the 5.04 version
[02:14] <god-zero> havoc: I tried to do window compositing & transparency/shadows with fglrx. Scarry.
[02:14] <havoc> god-zero: didn't work?
[02:15] <havoc> god-zero: this is on the breezy preview, which I guess had a lot of xorg bugs
[02:15] <havoc> like the ati driver :)
[02:15] <god-zero> compositing worked, shadow/transp fubarred. compositing slows down gl a good bit
[02:15] <god-zero> I'm on breezy + 3.5 b1
[02:16] <mornfall> Tm_T: there's this big glaring "preview changes" button in the toolbar
[02:16] <Tm_T> mornfall: ?
[02:17] <mornfall> Tm_T: re adept
[02:17] <Tm_T> mornfall: yu, showed 21
[02:17] <Tm_T> if I remember right
[02:17] <mornfall> Tm_T: uhmpf?
[02:17] <Tm_T> I'm glad I use apt-get all the time :p
[02:18] <mornfall> *shrug*
[02:18] <Tm_T> so I really don't use gui, just wanted to try it
[02:19] <god-zero> havoc: my breezy + kde 3.5 beta 1 = extra special wierdness
[02:19] <havoc> god-zero: I don't even know what version I have right now
[02:19] <Tm_T> =)
[02:21] <havoc> my primary workstation used to be mandrake, is now breezy preview, but I've been using my winxp workstation since I installed breezy cuz a C# project got dumped on me :(
[02:21] <havoc> so I haven't had a lot of time to play with it other than getting it workign and installing KDE
[02:21] <god-zero> does anyone have a good guess when kde 4 will roll out? fall 06?
[02:21] <inc|freak> hm
[02:22] <Tm_T> god-zero: a year from tomorrow
[02:22] <havoc> god-zero: qt4 was just released recently, right?
[02:23] <god-zero> qt4 came out ths spring?
[02:23] <havoc> hmm
[02:23] <god-zero> Tm_t: at what time? lol
[02:24] <aitor> hi
[02:24] <aitor> has any of u make an hp3420 work under kubuntu?
[02:25] <Tm_T> god-zero: prolly 1823 local time
[02:25] <aitor> should I use hpoj or hplip?
[02:26] <aitor> if I use hpoj it says detected hp 3420 but unable to communicate with it
[02:26] <god-zero> :) I'm not in the military anymore, so that's 6:23 pm for me
[02:28] <havoc> 18:23 is also sysadmin time :)
[02:28] <buz> is there any way to really make it use like 150MB of buffer?
[02:28] <buz> it keeps using burnproof all the time even though i have more than 400mb ram free
[02:29] <god-zero> I keep my clock set to gmt... old unix habit, military too... but that (again) was unix
[02:30] <havoc> god-zero: I used to have all my stuff set to GMT, but my users didn't like it so much, so I use local time now
[02:31] <god-zero> buz: yes... settings, configur k3b, writing, advanced
[02:31] <buz> i tried that
[02:31] <buz> it seems to ignore it
[02:31] <god-zero> burning isos?
[02:31] <buz> yes
[02:31] <god-zero> hrm
[02:32] <buz> growisofs still uses like 12mb ram
[02:32] <buz> and it keeps running out of buffer even with 2X dvd
[02:32] <god-zero> growisofs uses it's own settings
[02:32] <buz> is there something like growisofs rc?
[02:33] <god-zero> buz: do you have dma enabled
[02:33] <buz> yes
[02:33] <buz> that helped a bit
[02:34] <buz> but not enough
[02:34] <god-zero> no config file for growiso iirc
[02:34] <buz> if the buffer is only a few mb, even short disk accesses by other programs will let it run out
[02:34] <buz> man growisofs doesnt say anything about buffer
[02:34] <god-zero> 12 mb runs dry awfully fast, i know
[02:37] <god-zero> buz: I suspect something else. dvds shouldn't care about buffer underruns too much
[02:37] <buz> well the dvds are just fine
[02:37] <buz> it just takes muuuuch longer because of all the interruptions
[02:37] <buz> and it would be so easy to fix
[02:38] <god-zero> I suspect software or firmware problem
[02:38] <buz> the burner worked fine with nero on win
[02:38] <buz> in fact i might try nero linux
[02:38] <god-zero> if dma is on 8x works fine for me, no dma = 2x
[02:38] <buz> /dev/hdd:
[02:38] <buz>  IO_support   =  1 (32-bit)
[02:38] <buz>  unmaskirq    =  1 (on)
[02:38] <buz>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[02:39] <buz> settings are just fine
[02:39] <god-zero> it's worth a shot, at least it'll eliminate some variables
[02:40] <buz> god-zero: is your drive with the iso being used for anything else?
[02:41] <god-zero> when I burn isos to dvd, the iso is in /home which in my case is hdb1, hdb2 is swap, but I have 1 gig so swap never sees action... so sorta
[02:41] <buz> mhh my swap is on the same disk
[02:41] <buz> but i never use it
[02:42] <buz> but even checking mail in thunderbird gives me a buffer underun at 4x
[02:42] <buz> well lets try nerolinux
[02:42] <god-zero> 4x dvd = 32x cd it is more demanding.. and yes a bigger buffer would make so much sence
[02:43] <buz> i mean nero uses 64mb by default
[02:43] <buz> that's just fine
[02:54] <DarkMaul> dudes
[02:54] <DarkMaul> witch kernal shoiuld i install
[02:54] <DarkMaul> linux-386
[02:54] <DarkMaul> linux-image-386
[02:55] <DarkMaul> linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[02:55] <DarkMaul> ?
[02:55] <god-zero> what cpu? do you want constantly updated kernel, or update manually
[02:56] <DarkMaul> it is during the install
[02:56] <DarkMaul> after the install i need to upgrade to a kernel that has SMP support
[02:56] <DarkMaul> i have a p4 3.2 ht
[02:57] <god-zero> get linux-686-smp for auto upgrade, linux - 2.6.xx-686 smp for manual upgrade
[02:58] <DarkMaul> yeah but thes are the choises i have during installation of kububtu 5.05
[02:58] <DarkMaul> ill update it later
[02:58] <god-zero> then it doesn't matter
[02:59] <god-zero> linux-386 i guess
[03:02] <havoc> anyone else use xawtv?
[03:03] <DarkMaul> ow nice that will take another 15 minutes, it needs to download 1088 mb's data
[03:04] <god-zero> a gig? You must be updating everything. a kernal is only a couple megs
[03:06] <apokryphos> sounds very strange to me; a full dist-upgrade is usually only around 400 megs
[03:07] <DarkMaul> hmm
[03:07] <DarkMaul> ill wait and see
[03:08] <god-zero> you didn't select the special "gentoo style" install did you? ;)
[03:08] <havoc> haha
[03:09] <DarkMaul> i selected the tab, SUSE-FC4-MANDRIVIA-KUBUNTU_to-1-DRIVE
[03:09] <nikkia> afternoon apokryphos!!
[03:09] <varg> hello
[03:10] <apokryphos> hey!
[03:10] <apokryphos> How's it going?
[03:10] <nikkia> not too bad, at least now
[03:10] <nikkia> start of the week was nasty, spanish people saying 'oh, this isn't quite right, btw, you have 10 minutes to fix it!'
[03:10] <varg> i have a question how to set a root password in kubuntu? :/
[03:11] <havoc> varg: sudo passwd root
[03:11] <apokryphos> time limits are annoying
[03:11] <klone> is there a startup command
[03:11] <klone> for kubuntu
[03:12] <nikkia> apokryphos: they were showing it at a madrid show this week
[03:12] <apokryphos> wellwell :D
[03:12] <apokryphos> nikkia: it end up ok?
[03:12] <nikkia> apokryphos: so wanted the code to be 'perfect' (ok, its minus a couple of features) before they left on tuesday
[03:12] <nikkia> apokryphos: i guess so, they didn't tell me anything like that, but...
[03:12] <klone> is there a startup command to edit what loads up
[03:12] <nikkia> a co-worker went over to visit them this week, he came back saying 'they love roulette and think it'll sell like crazy'
[03:12] <apokryphos> hahaha
[03:13] <havoc> klone: as in what KDE loads, or what starts at boot?
[03:13] <apokryphos> nikkia: you'll neeeever guess what the computer problem was down to 
[03:13] <klone> what kde loads
[03:13] <klone> when i startup
[03:13] <nikkia> apokryphos: go on
[03:13] <apokryphos> nikkia: pretty embarrased actually; don't particularly want to mention it :P
[03:13] <havoc> klone: yeah, you can configure that in the control panel
[03:14] <klone> konsole loads up
[03:14] <klone> ok cheers
[03:14] <nalioth> nikkia: are you dressing the night cat again today?
[03:14] <nikkia> apokryphos: you didn't connect the 12v power connector for the CPU ?
[03:14] <nikkia> nalioth: ?
[03:14] <havoc> klone: by default it will reload any app that was still open when you logged out last
[03:14] <apokryphos> nikkia: well, I had an extra screw-holder (whatever they're called) on the case, so it was touching directly on the back of the MB oO
[03:14] <nikkia> apokryphos: ah, heh, been there
[03:15] <nalioth> nikkia is the cats pajamas
[03:15] <nikkia> apokryphos: these days, when i put a board in, i look for the obvious ground-plane screw holes first, then only place the spacers under those
[03:15] <apokryphos> nikkia: I was so annoyed when i heard. Can't BELIEVE the most trivial thing
[03:15] <nikkia> (i don't bother with any screw hole that isn't an obvious ground-plane one)
[03:15] <apokryphos> that's what I normally do (and thought I did); gah
[03:16] <apokryphos> nikkia: the guy showed my dad (I was at Uni, couldn't go down) some other MBs that had blown up/burnt because of that problem
[03:16] <apokryphos> luckily mine was ok, and now experiencing pacey 64-bit :P
[03:16] <nikkia> apokryphos: tbh, i'm still surprised that people are supplying metal spacers, i'd have expected them to switch to something non-conductive (nylon) ages ago
[03:16] <apokryphos> ezactly
[03:17] <klone> havoc: where is it under the control center?
[03:17] <havoc> I use the brass ones and have no probs, but I'm also careful to use only as many as there are screw holes in the MB
[03:17] <apokryphos> things are generally ok now; will just install Kubuntu and Windoze, then back off to Uni
[03:17] <havoc> klone: not sure
[03:17] <klone> ok
[03:17] <havoc> and I never use cases with fixed standoffs
[03:17] <god-zero> klone: system settings: user accounts
[03:18] <havoc> klone: hang on and I'll look
[03:18] <nikkia> apokryphos: btw, want to see something cool ?
[03:18] <havoc> nevermind :)
[03:18] <apokryphos> nikkia: atm, though, it's looking like I'm leavin' 'buntu altogether 
[03:18] <apokryphos> nikkia: always
[03:18] <nikkia> apokryphos: http://narch.1.vg/~nikki/qt.png
[03:18] <nikkia> apokryphos: my Qt based knob widget :)
[03:18] <nikkia> (that looks nothing like Qt) :)
[03:19] <_freemanen_> how do play mp3 in kubuntu i get this error: There were no decoders found to handle the stream, you might need to install the corresponding plugins
[03:19] <apokryphos> nikkia: very.. knifty ;-)
[03:21] <gdh> you can't have enough knobs to twiddle.
[03:21] <nalioth> !tell _freemanen_ about mp3
[03:21] <_freemanen_> ?
[03:21] <havoc> _freemanen_: read what ubotu messaged you
[03:22] <Hagarke> I just tried to get the GTK-QT-Engine to work on Kubuntu 5.10 preview without success.  My GTK apps still look like GTK.  Is this a bug ?
[03:22] <apokryphos> Hagarke: did you restart kde?
[03:24] <feens_> is there much a speed difference between SATA and IDE in Linux?
[03:24] <klone> havoc: im having trouble findin this :s
[03:25] <nalioth> feens_: depends on your HD specs
[03:25] <apokryphos> nikkia: how many megs/sec would you get roughly if you transferred between two stats?
[03:25] <nalioth> feens_: and the things you do with the HD
[03:25] <apokryphos> nikkia: er.. satas
[03:25] <feens_> nalioth: basically, comparing two identical drives
[03:25] <nikkia> apokryphos: depends on the drive :)
[03:25] <nikkia> (s)
[03:25] <feens_> nalioth: both Seagate
[03:25] <_freemanen_> some codes dosen't seams to work on linux ppc?
[03:26] <nikkia> apokryphos: you're *probably* going to be limited by the read speed of the source drive (contary to what you'd expect, most modern drives can write faster than they can read)
[03:26] <apokryphos> hah
[03:26] <nalioth> feens_: i'm not sure the speed for IDE, but xferring large files (dvd images, etc) will be much quicker on SATA
[03:27] <apokryphos> nikkia: been transferring ounces of gigs and on average I'd say it goes around 5/6 meg/sec (IDEs)
[03:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'd imagine you'd get somewhere in the region of 50-60MB/s
[03:27] <apokryphos> if the reading-speed would limit it, it wouldn't transfer faster to the Sata-disk anyhow
[03:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: hmm, that's not right, i get 60-70MB/s sustained read on my SATA
[03:27] <nikkia> and about 75MB/s sustained write
[03:27] <apokryphos> nikkia: I meant between two IDEs (here), but I imagine it has something to do with the cable used, too
[03:28] <nikkia> my parallel drives get around 50MB/s sustained write
[03:28] <apokryphos> (one of them is an old one; don't know the technical names)
[03:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: ah, yes, shared cable == slow :)
[03:28] <inc|freaky> does any1 know how i can edit the kmenu? because the link to kcontrol suddenly disapeared and i want to readd it 
[03:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: 40 pin vs 80 pin ?
[03:28] <feens_> nalioth: ya, I don't do a huge amount of large file stuff...I know that SATA isn't a huge gain over IDE, but wondered how good SATA was in Linux as well
[03:29] <apokryphos> nikkia: I know the new cable I've got is faster; only real difference (appearance-wise), seems to be the thin-ness
[03:29] <nikkia> feens_: the real advantage to SATA is... each drive has its own cable (not that hard to achieve with parallel, but..), and the fact that SATA drives *tend* to have bigger caches
[03:29] <apokryphos> well, colour too :P
[03:29] <nikkia> my SATA drive is 16MB cache, my parallel ATA are all 8MB cache
[03:29] <nalioth> any of you guys buy stuff online? what is a good etailer? (amazon is startin to get on my nerves)
[03:29] <feens_> nikkia: hmm...the drive I'm looking at is 8MB, I think my IDE one is too
[03:29] <nikkia> apokryphos: did that program run on your system btw?
[03:30] <feens_> nikkia: and I keep all IDE on separate cables
[03:30] <havoc> klone: hmm, I can't seem to find it either
 someone help me!!</whine>
[03:33] <havoc> nalioth: heh, you're very busy
[03:33] <havoc> I like it here a little better
[03:33] <DarkMaul> HAHAHA
[03:33] <havoc> less whining, less "this/that rules/sucks"
[03:33] <DarkMaul> it is a isseu with that breezy release
[03:34] <havoc> nalioth: I tried to help out a little yesterday
[03:34] <nalioth> havoc: great! but i asked a question (i guess nobody in here shops online)
[03:35] <havoc> doh, I was on a diff machine (KVM)
[03:35] <havoc> nalioth: buy.com and newegg.com are both reputable
[03:35] <havoc> newegg is generally cheaper
[03:35] <nalioth> i need a 4 port USB kvm
[03:35] <havoc> buy.com or newegg then
[03:35] <nikkia> nalioth: the belkin ones look alright
[03:35] <havoc> check newegg first
[03:36] <havoc> I use both, and actually just got stuff from newegg yesterday
[03:36] <nalioth> nikkia: belkin?
[03:36] <nalioth> nikkia: ah kvms (d'oh)
[03:37] <feens_> nikkia: how much a performance gain is software striping on Linux?
[03:37] <nikkia> nalioth: http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=202718&pcount=&Product_Id=183656&Section.Section_Path=%2FRoot%2FPeripheralSharing%2FOmniview%2E%2E%2ESwitches%2FDesktopSeries%2FSohoSeries%2F
[03:37] <nikkia> feens_: no idea
[03:37] <tecknozic> hi, I cannot create a new user, using kuser...
[03:37] <tecknozic> can somebody help me ?
[03:40] <DarkMaul> how do i change my monitior in kubuntu
[03:41] <nalioth> nikkia: HOLY GUACAMOLE! that belkin is pricy!
[03:42] <gdh> belkin always is. KVMs usually are. :)
[03:42] <havoc> nalioth: yeah
[03:43] <nikkia> nalioth: were you looking at the DVI version ?
[03:43] <nikkia> the VGA version isn't THAT badly priced, about $60 last i looked
[03:44] <nalioth> nikkia: i dont need video at all, just USB
[03:44] <nalioth> nikkia: nor audio
[03:44] <nikkia> nalioth: if you don't mind the disconnect/reconnects, there are USB switchboxes that are far cheaper
[03:45] <nikkia> (and are in fact, better, since you don't have the lousy key/mouse emulation that comes with USB KVMs usually)
[03:45] <nikkia> you often lose media keys, and mouse buttons > 3 on a KVM, because that's all the emulation does
[03:46] <nikkia> of course, X can be picky about USB HIDs disconnecting on it :/
[03:46] <gdh> http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=92019
[03:46] <gdh> ?
[03:47] <nalioth> nikkia: i'm lookin at iogear brand stuff now (i have a iogear 2 port now, it works well with mac)
[03:47] <gdh> Mind, I suppose that's about $60 - didn't notice the currency before :)
[03:47] <nikkia> gdh, thats not a bad price, i might get one of those (need a 3 port KVM 'soon' - for the PCs my boss promised me 3 months ago)
[03:48] <gdh> last PS2 4-port one we got from them was only about 30 with 4 sets of cables..
[03:48] <nikkia> well, only *need* 2 ports, 1 PC is gonna be linux :)
[03:48] <havoc> nalioth: iogear is good too
[03:48] <havoc> nalioth: you looking for sound too?
[03:48] <havoc> doh
[03:49] <knoppix> anyone know how to enlarge an ntfs partition using qtparted. Is this possible
[03:49] <gdh> nikkia: http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=11403328837&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=79401
[03:49] <gdh> cheaper, and with cables :)
[03:49] <nalioth> knoppix research "ntfsresize"
[03:49] <nikkia> 60% done :/
[03:49] <tecknozic> hello, I need help
[03:49] <tecknozic> to create a new user...
[03:50] <gdh> tecknozic: K -> System -> KUser ?
[03:50] <nikkia> gdh, doesn't say if its PS/2 or USB
[03:50] <gdh> nikkia: PS/2 of course :)
[03:50] <nikkia> gdh, given my keyboard and mouse are USB only...
[03:50] <gdh> ah, poor.
[03:50] <knoppix> nalioth = yes or write my own partition program.... I am asking if someone here knows how to do it and an answer like read everything you can come over on google does not answer the questoin
[03:50] <nikkia> gdh, no, i hate PS/2 :)
[03:50] <havoc> I want this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817107421
[03:51] <Hagarke> apohryphos: yes, i did restart kde
[03:51] <tecknozic> gdh : it doesn't work...
[03:52] <tecknozic> when I hit "OK", I have a kind of error message, and the new user is not created
[03:52] <nikkia> gdh, btw, you may have noticed that ebuyer have those belkin ones for 15+ :)
[03:52] <gdh> a kind of error message, eh? :)
[03:53] <gdh> nikkia: LOL didn't notice =) skipped straight to the 25+ page...
[03:53] <tecknozic> gdh : a window where they ask me if I wanr to report the bugs
[03:53] <nalioth> snappy fellow, does "ntfsresize" not resize ntfs partitions?
[03:54] <tecknozic> is there a "terminal" way to create a user ?
[03:55] <nalioth> tecknozic: "sudo adduser"
[03:55] <inc|freaky> how do i use gdm with kubuntu?
[03:56] <gdh> tecknozic: ouch - was there a picture of a bomb  when it asked you to report bugs?
[03:57] <tecknozic> yes
[03:57] <havoc> inc|freaky: why gdm, and not kdm?
[03:58] <havoc> inc|freaky: it doesn't really matter though, you can use either one
[03:58] <havoc> inc|freaky: when you install KDE it should ask you which display manager you want to use
[03:58] <havoc> at least it asked me
[03:59] <inc|freaky> i found the solution thx ...  gdm is better i think
[03:59] <inc|freaky> or, im just trying which one is the best
[03:59] <havoc> gdm and kdm are essentially identical
[03:59] <havoc> but both are way better than xdm
[04:03] <DarkMaul> damn
[04:03] <DarkMaul> kubuntu cant play mp3 normal
[04:04] <DarkMaul> oww
[04:20] <nikkia> hmmm
[04:21] <nikkia> that's really annoying, the dvd-r doesn't finalize discs by default, and the option to do it is hidden deep in the menus :/
[04:21] <nalioth> nikkia: which program are you using?
[04:21] <nalioth> nikkia: or is it a standalone appliance?
[04:21] <nikkia> nalioth: sorry, should have said 'dvdr' rather than 'dvd-r', its a standalone recorder
[04:21] <nikkia> nalioth: HDD/DVD recorder
[04:22] <nikkia> and obviously when they got the UI translated, they forgot about the dub screen :P
[04:22] <nikkia> 'press enter record/plyback continue, dub progress continue!'
[04:23] <nikkia> (which is only made more confusing by the message above it to 'hold enter cancel dub'
[04:27] <nalioth> at least its not in mandarin
[04:27] <nikkia> nalioth: true
[04:42] <JessicaX^> Hello, i just installed kubuntu on my laptop
[04:42] <JessicaX^> Problem is, i can't switch to root because it's not the same password - "Authentication failed"
[04:43] <morrow> there is no password for root
[04:43] <morrow> use "sudo"
[04:43] <JessicaX^> Also - KUser crashes when trying to enable root login
[04:43] <JessicaX^> oh?
[04:44] <JessicaX^> How do i use sudo?
[04:45] <havoc> !tell JessicaX^ about sudo
[04:45] <morrow> thx havoc. :)
[04:45] <JessicaX^> Thank you
[04:45] <havoc> np :)
[04:46] <havoc> ubotu is pretty slick
[04:46] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, havoc
[04:46] <JessicaX^> :)
[04:46] <havoc> well, maybe not *that* slick ;)
[04:46] <morrow> hehe
[04:47] <JessicaX^> :o
[04:47] <DarkMaul> make -f Makefile.cvs
[04:48] <DarkMaul> ./admin/cvs.sh: line 33: --version: command not found
[04:48] <DarkMaul> *** AUTOCONF NOT FOUND!.
[04:48] <DarkMaul> *** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer
[04:48] <DarkMaul> yesss
[04:48] <DarkMaul> errors again
[04:49] <nikkia> 'KDE, it makes the sith cry!' :)
[04:49] <JessicaX^> :(
[04:49] <DarkMaul> its a real bummer
[04:50] <DarkMaul> why the **** every needs to give me a error
[04:50] <JessicaX^> o.O
[04:50] <DarkMaul> lol
[04:50] <DarkMaul> restarting K
[04:50] <DarkMaul> brbr
[04:52] <darkje> shrugs
[04:52] <darkje> still errors
[04:52] <morrow> why do you want to compile something?
[04:52] <StR> Hi all
[04:53] <havoc> hello
[04:53] <DarkMaul> because there is no base packet of the thing i need
[04:53] <morrow> which is?
[04:53] <DarkMaul> 2 things
[04:53] <DarkMaul> KFTPgrabber
[04:53] <DarkMaul> the New AMAROK
[04:54] <Drakeson> DarkMaul: amarok 1.3.1 ?
[04:55] <StR> the new amarok is really nice in 3.5b
[04:55] <blackflag> Hello all :-)
[04:55] <DarkMaul> 1.3.2
[04:55] <Drakeson> oh! that's pretty new ;)
[04:55] <blackflag> I have aproblem installing Kbear
[04:55] <blackflag> when I do "./configure"
[04:55] <DarkMaul> what is the command to see if you have the file
[04:55] <DarkMaul> ?
[04:55] <StR> I have 1.3.1 in 3.5b1
[04:55] <blackflag> then I get
[04:55] <Drakeson> have you did apt-get install build-essential?
[04:56] <blackflag> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[04:56] <blackflag> For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.
[04:56] <DarkMaul> sorry ?
[04:56] <sproingie> how do i make konqueror not send a referer header?
[04:56] <Drakeson> do you have autoconf installed?
[04:56] <DarkMaul> yes
[04:56] <blackflag> but all QT's are installed
[04:57] <StR> blackflag:  install libqt4-dev 
[04:57] <blackflag> but cant find the libraries
[04:57] <havoc> blackflag: why not apt-get install kbear ?
[04:57] <StR> what is kbear?
[04:57] <havoc> StR: nifty kde sftp/ftp app
[04:57] <StR> ahh IC
[04:57] <blackflag> kbear is not found
[04:57] <havoc> I prefer yafc personally
[04:57] <blackflag> kbewar is an ftp-client
[04:58] <StR> why don't you use   the konqueror?
[04:58] <havoc> blackflag: it's in universe/net
[04:58] <Drakeson> StR, I was about to ask the same question ;)
[04:58] <havoc> blackflag: edit /etc/apt/sources.list to enable universe
[04:59] <havoc> blackflag: you just need to uncomment the line for it
[05:00] <blackflag> I have it but dont get it
[05:00] <havoc> huh?
[05:00] <havoc> you have what?
[05:00] <blackflag> I have universe and multiverse since some days
[05:01] <havoc> did you do "apt-get update" after uncommenting those lines?
[05:01] <blackflag> yes
[05:02] <havoc> and "apt-cache search kbear" returns nothing?
[05:02] <blackflag> correct
[05:03] <jsubl2> !find kbear
[05:03] <ubotu> kbear: (Graphical ftp client for KDE), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 2.1.1-6 (hoary), Packaged size: 2498 kB, Installed size: 8568 kB
[05:03] <blackflag> h?
[05:03] <havoc> blackflag: try apt-get update again
[05:03] <blackflag> hmm, what is wrong?
[05:04] <havoc> blackflag: apt's cache is not correct
[05:04] <jsubl2> you sure you have universe uncommented in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:04] <havoc> jsubl2: I thought he said he did that?
[05:05] <blackflag> Okay apt-cache search gives now a result!
[05:05] <havoc> blackflag: you jsut do apt-get update?
[05:06] <blackflag> yes, and then apt-cache
[05:06] <havoc> yeah, sometimes update fails because apt is unable to completely download the sources list
[05:07] <blackflag> Im sure I have done it after I edit the sources.list
[05:07] <havoc> if you ever think that apt's cache is incorrect jsut run "apt-get update" again
[05:07] <_arthurb> Hi, I use breezy and I have a problem with kontact and kgpg... I reiceived an encrypted mail but I cannot open it, it keeps saying "bad passphrase"  withotu even prompting me for it
[05:07] <inc|freaky> when is the release of breezy?
[05:07] <havoc> inc|freaky: oct 13th I think
[05:07] <blackflag> Okay , thanks for help!! :-)
[05:07] <havoc> blackflag: no problem :)
[05:07] <inc|freaky> kewl ... and i can just update using apt?
[05:08] <_arthurb> inc|freaky: yep but expect problems
[05:08] <inc|freaky> what kind of problems?
[05:08] <_arthurb> flawless apt-get dist-upgrade is an ideal dream
[05:08] <_arthurb> you always run into some kind of conflict
[05:08] <_arthurb> and you better know how to use dpkg
[05:08] <inc|freaky> hope ppl in here can help me ;D
[05:08] <inc|freaky> i was using debian for a while
[05:08] <_arthurb> then I suggest apt-get install irssi-text
[05:09] <inc|freaky> what irc client do you all use?
[05:09] <inc|freaky> will do that ;)
[05:09] <inc|freaky> when i need to hehe
[05:09] <_arthurb> broke all my xorg installation
[05:09] <inc|freaky> _arthurb: what irc client are you using for kde?
[05:09] <inc|freaky> im using kvirc the actual cvs
[05:10] <StR> inc|freaky: have you seen konversation?
[05:10] <inc|freaky> my sound works and i got nvidia installed :D
[05:11] <inc|freaky> yea konversation isnt as good as kvirc imho
[05:11] <inc|freaky> kvirc best fits my needs :)
[05:12] <sproingie> konversation is also amazingly krashy
[05:12] <sproingie> i end up using chatzilla most of the time
[05:13] <_arthurb> inc|freaky: konversation
[05:13] <havoc> _arthurb: xorg is mostly broken anyway ;)
[05:13] <_arthurb> konversation never crashed for me
[05:13] <jsubl2> me neither
[05:13] <havoc> !find konversation
[05:13] <ubotu> konversation: (user friendly Internet Relay Chat (IRC) client for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 0.16-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 2805 kB, Installed size: 8152 kB
[05:13] <havoc> hmmm
[05:15] <inc|freaky> kvirc didnt crash for me either
[05:15] <StR> !find kvirg
[05:15] <StR> !find kvirc
[05:15] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'kvirc' (4 shown): kvirc ;; kvirc-data ;; kvirc-dev ;; kvirc-doc.
[05:15] <inc|freaky> im using the actual cvs though much better
[05:16] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'kvirg' returned no results.
[05:16] <inc|freaky> ah thx for reminding me gotta install kopete (this is my first day with ubuntu)
[05:16] <jsubl2> StR: what kinda problems
[05:16] <havoc> !find kopete
[05:16] <ubotu> kopete: (Instant messenger program), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 4258 kB, Installed size: 14384 kB
[05:17] <StR> jsubl2: it connects to MSN, but after 2 seconts it get disconected
[05:17] <inc|freaky> btw, why is there no root account with ubuntu?
[05:17] <Drakeson> !tell hon about restricted
[05:17] <jsubl2> i use yahoo so I have not noticed that
[05:17] <havoc> inc|freaky: security I'd assume
[05:17] <havoc> inc|freaky: FYI: The account is there, it's jsut disabled
[05:18] <inc|freaky> btw, is it safe to be running kde4.2 using that mirror on the kubuntu website?
[05:18] <havoc> inc|freaky: you can enable it by setting a root apsswd
[05:18] <inc|freaky> of course the root-account exists ;D
[05:18] <inc|freaky> thx :)
[05:19] <inc|freaky> i dont know id use the same pass as for my user for root
[05:19] <inc|freaky> so im thinking about just keeping it as is
[05:19] <StR> weird... kopete works if the write to me... but crashes if I start a conversation
[05:19] <havoc> inc|freaky: it doesn't have to be the same password
[05:19] <havoc> or maybe I just misunderstood what you said
[05:20] <tecknozic> hello
[05:20] <inc|freaky> how to automatically activate the num-lock on boot?
[05:20] <tecknozic> how to install skype in kubuntu 5.4
[05:21] <inc|freaky> !find skype
[05:21] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'skype' (1 shown): (/usr/share/ubuntu-docs/C/common/menus/skype.xml) in text/ubuntu-docs.
[05:21] <inc|freaky> umm
[05:21] <inc|freaky> tecknozic: does it have a version for linux?
[05:22] <havoc> not in universe anyway
[05:22] <tecknozic> I downloaded the debian skype installation file
[05:22] <tecknozic> but I don't know how to install it
[05:22] <inc|freaky> you have a .deb file?
[05:23] <inc|freaky> if yes use dpkg -i file.deb
[05:23] <inc|freaky> sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[05:23] <inc|freaky> lets all smoke a cig now ^^
[05:23] <tecknozic> ok, I try it
[05:24] <inc|freaky> good luck :)
[05:24] <havoc> inc|freaky: it's nice to be able to help people, huh? :)
[05:25] <inc|freaky> yea :)
[05:25] <inc|freaky> just need a lot of help myself so helping others out is just fair
[05:25] <havoc> takes a load off people like nalioth too
[05:25] <inc|freaky> yea
[05:26] <inc|freaky> i installed kubuntu because of its support for the actual kde and because the rest of the goals of ubuntu looked nice lol
[05:26] <inc|freaky> now i just like it
[05:26] <inc|freaky> was using debian etch before
[05:27] <inc|freaky> and am still using it on my server
[05:27] <havoc> I run deb on my servers
[05:27] <havoc> well, *now* I do anyway
[05:28] <havoc> I'm stardardizing on debian for servers and ubuntu for workstations
[05:28] <havoc> but it's a long process
[05:28] <havoc> I have many different machines right now
[05:28] <inc|freaky> havoc: the same as im going to do ;)
[05:29] <_pablo> does anybody of you know if there is a kubuntu version of the current ubuntu 5.10 colonial 5 perelease?
[05:29] <havoc> mandrake 9.0, 10.0, 10.2, and 10.2, a few FC4 machines
[05:29] <havoc> inc|freaky: it take sa long time to convert them all though
[05:29] <havoc> but it's something that needs to be done sooner or later
[05:30] <inc|freaky> mandrake doesnt install here it has some problems running the sata_nv.ko just stopping the installation process the same with debian sarge netinstall cd 
[05:30] <havoc> _pablo: I'll take a guess and say 'yes'
[05:30] <inc|freaky> hehe, sure
[05:30] <inc|freaky> i liked mdk when it worked for me
[05:32] <jsubl2> _pablo: check out http://kubuntu.org
[05:33] <rikva> When I enable my microphone in Kmix I can hear the microphone, but I cannot record with it. Can someone help me?
[05:33] <havoc> rikva: click the button under the mic in kmix to set it as a record source
[05:34] <_pablo> jsubl2: Yes i visited this site but it seems there is only a iso of the last reselease which wondered me
[05:34] <rikva> havoc: it is setted as a record source
[05:34] <havoc> rikva: ah
[05:34] <rikva> any other suggestions? :)
[05:35] <jsubl2> _pablo: i see a link for the current stable 5.04 and current preview release .. scan the link on the right side
[05:35] <havoc> rikva: no, sorry :(
[05:37] <nikkia> rikva: have you adjusted the 'capture' level, it defaults to 0, which obviously results in recording nothing :)
[05:37] <havoc> nikkia: good idea :)
[05:37] <rikva> nikkia: how can i do that?
[05:37] <nikkia> rikva: select the 'input' tab, and drag the 'capture' slider from 0 to some value
[05:38] <nikkia> 50% or so usually works well, but it requires experimenting
[05:39] <inc|freaky> btw, yakuake is a good utility if anyone wants a console popping-down from top of the screen ;)
[05:39] <rikva> nikkia: nope, doesn't work :|
[05:41] <inc|freaky> i have a amd athlon 64 using i386 kernel, but should i use the -k7 kernel?
[05:42] <jsubl2> i do and it works fine
[05:43] <jsubl2> not sure there is a big difference in the two on  my machine as far as stability and performance
[05:43] <jsubl2> i have an amd64 3200+
[05:43] <inc|freaky> i got one 3500+ ;)
[05:44] <inc|freaky> k7 is amd optimized
[05:44] <inc|freaky> ill just install it now
[05:44] <inc|freaky> and reboot
[05:44] <jsubl2> I generally get the k7 kernel and restricted modules and nvidia-glx all at the same time
[05:45] <inc|freaky> jsubl2: did you have to change anything in the grub menu? does it get overwritten? 
[05:46] <jsubl2> that was taken care of automagically
[05:46] <jsubl2> i can now see both kernels in the grub menu
[05:46] <inc|freaky> very good, thx :D
[05:46] <inc|freaky> which one became the default?
[05:46] <inc|freaky> the new installed k7 or the old one stayed?
[05:46] <jsubl2> k7.. the last one i installed
[05:46] <inc|freaky> very nice ^^ thx
[05:49] <tecknozic> I'm back with my Skype problem
[05:49] <tecknozic> There is an error message
[05:51] <inc|freaky> tecknozic: just tell us the error message ;)
[05:51] <tecknozic> It's written in french...
[05:51] <inc|freaky> translate it into english
[05:52] <nalioth> tecknozic: je parle un peut francais
[05:52] <nalioth> tecknozic: put it into a pastebin
[05:52] <tecknozic> dpkg: erreur de traitement de skype_1.2.0.17-1_i386.deb (--install):
[05:52] <tecknozic>  ne peut pas accder  l'archive: Aucun fichier ou rpertoire de ce type
[05:52] <tecknozic> Des erreurs ont t rencontres pendant l'excution:
[05:52] <tecknozic>  skype_1.2.0.17-1_i386.deb
[05:52] <havoc> geez, the guy speaks french too ;)
[05:52] <inc|freaky> im a native german speaker ;p
[05:53] <tecknozic> ok
[05:53] <inc|freaky> as youve probably noticed my english isnt that good
[05:53] <nalioth> inc|freaky: ist gut
[05:53] <inc|freaky> awkay ;D
[05:53] <nalioth> havoc: i'm full of surprises
[05:53] <tecknozic> any idea about this error ?
[05:53] <nalioth> tecknozic: there is no skype archive to be found
[05:53] <darkje> bradworst
[05:53] <darkje> :p
[05:53] <havoc> nalioth: yes, you are :)
[05:53] <inc|freaky> darkje: bratwurst that is in german ;)
[05:53] <darkje> eej 
[05:53] <darkje> i tryed
[05:54] <nalioth> havoc: i speak several languages (much to the surprise of those in #ubuntu who'd talk nasty in those)
[05:54] <darkje> lol
[05:54] <tecknozic> okay, I wasn't in the good folder...
[05:54] <tecknozic> I tried again in the good one
[05:55] <tecknozic> here is what is written :
[05:55] <nalioth> tecknozic: have you tried building skype from source (or is it even open source?)
[05:55] <tecknozic> dpkg: erreur de traitement de skype_1.2.0.17-1_i386.deb (--install):
[05:55] <tecknozic>  l'architecture du paquet (i386) ne correspond pas  celle du systme (amd64)
[05:55] <gdh> hehe :)
[05:55] <tecknozic> I don't know how to build it from sources
[05:56] <gdh> you can't build skype from sources :)
[05:56] <gdh> because there aren't any published sources to build from
[05:56] <nalioth> tecknozic: that one says you can use it on amd64
[05:56] <tecknozic> yes, I am
[05:56] <inc|freaky> brb rebooting into the new kernel
[05:56] <nalioth> tecknozic: then you are out of luck unless you want to change your architexture to 686 
[05:56] <gdh> nalioth: No, it the deb is i386, the system is amd64... :)
[05:57] <tecknozic> What can I do ?
[05:58] <nalioth> tecknozic: gdh: this is why it is recommended for amd64 users to use a 686 kernel
[05:58] <gdh> tecknozic: You'd need to set up an i386 chroot ... there are docs giving details for that...
[05:58] <nalioth> there are very little programs available that run natively under amd64
[05:58] <tecknozic> do you have a link ?
[05:58] <gdh> tecknozic: Yep otherwise the reasons for Free Software become too painfully apparent :)
[05:58] <nalioth> gdh: chroot is hell
[05:59] <nalioth> gdh: esp for users who just want to "use"
[05:59] <nalioth> tecknozic: i recommend you change your box to use a 686 kernel
[05:59] <gdh> heh :) the price of freedom, etc.. pedantry ad nauseam...
[06:00] <tecknozic> what does "change your box" mean ?
[06:00] <gdh> means 'reinstall'
[06:00] <tecknozic> ok...
[06:00] <gdh> but don't use the amd64 ISO :)
[06:01] <tecknozic> with a x86 version of Kubuntu, is that right ?
[06:01] <nalioth> tecknozic: back up your home directory if you have anything important in it
[06:01] <nalioth> tecknozic: x86 ubuntu or kubuntu
[06:01] <tecknozic> what is the best version ? ubuntu or kubuntu ?
[06:02] <nalioth> tecknozic: they are the same, kubuntu can be installed from ubuntu and vice versa
[06:02] <tecknozic> ok
[06:02] <tecknozic> last question...
[06:02] <tecknozic> I have the 5.04 version... Is there a newer one with x86 kernel ?
[06:02] <nalioth> tecknozic: are you sure?
[06:03] <tecknozic> hihi
[06:03] <nalioth> tecknozic: you can install what you have. upgrading is easy
[06:03] <tecknozic> ok
[06:03] <tecknozic> nice
[06:03] <jsubl2> kubuntu comes with kde  ubuntu comes with gnome  by default
[06:03] <tecknozic> thanks a lot guys
[06:03] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:04] <tecknozic> fortunately, this community is friendly
[06:04] <inc|freaky> im back new kernel works :D
[06:04] <nalioth> tecknozic: but either can be installed from the other (or you can use neither)
[06:04] <jsubl2> inc|freaky: see much difference
[06:04] <tecknozic> but I'll come back soon... with a lot of other questions... hehehe
[06:04] <nalioth> tecknozic: we will be here
[06:04] <tecknozic> see u, thks
[06:05] <inc|freaky> jsubl2: not really but k7 is optimized for my cpu ;)
[06:06] <inc|freaky> so there is a difference, somewhere ;D for me there must be everything setup correctly im a perfectionist (if that word exists in english)
[06:06] <nalioth> inc|freaky: you'll be wishin you used 686 when you want to install flash, skype, etc
[06:09] <helpme> can i dsable atd, bwbar & gdomap bootup services?
[06:17] <inc|freaky> http://pics.freakyy.de/gallery2/v/screens/ <-- screenshot of my desktop with kvirc :)
[06:22] <sorush20> can some one point me to where all the people who talk about self hosting using free DNS servers and etc.. 
[06:22] <inc|freaky> sorush20: do you mean something like loopy.selfip.net ?
[06:22] <inc|freaky> sorush20: www.dyndns.org
[06:23] <inc|freaky> sorush20: if that is what you want, just come back and ask me about more i can help you setting everything up
[06:23] <nalioth> inc|freaky: if you identify to services, you'll never be locked out of #ubuntu 
[06:24] <inc|freaky> nalioth: i noticed, thx ^^ ill soon reconnect to try the auto identify stuff out. ;)
[06:24] <inc|freaky> ill secure my machine now ;) closing not needed port and such brb, sorush20 just say my nick ;)
[06:24] <nalioth> we lock #ubuntu down when the bots swarm
[06:25] <inc|freaky> awkay ;)
[06:25] <sorush20> inc|freaky: thanks.. I have and IP free with my internet connection and
[06:26] <inc|freaky> and?
[06:26] <sorush20> I have three domains, iraneuro.com, alborz.uk.com, and spotpickers.com, now most of the time I study biology, but I find I cant understand networkology just as well, so is you could explain how I could hoste using my own computer.. would be great.. ;-)
[06:26] <inc|freaky> well, do you have a static or dynamic ip?
[06:27] <sorush20> dynamic.. is dhcp,
[06:27] <spiral> hi
[06:27] <inc|freaky> well, do you have your own name-server?
[06:27] <sorush20> spiral: hi
[06:27] <sorush20> afraid.org offers this I think, 
[06:27] <inc|freaky> for the domains
[06:27] <sorush20> is the name server the same as the DNS
[06:28] <inc|freaky> sorush20: there is one thing ... i cant explain you how to setup dynamic dns on your own nameserver
[06:29] <inc|freaky> and you would have to take care about how to update the dns yourself
[06:29] <sorush20> so let me get this stright, I need to run a webserver (apache), a mail server (xaim), and now a name server ? any examples..
[06:30] <inc|freaky> do you in every case, want a subdomain on your own domains? i own freakyy and ionic.de i use selfip.net i could set up my own nameserver that would all be np but the dynamic updating i think you and i would have to write our own tools to do that
[06:30] <nikkia> sorush20: you don't *need* to run your own nameserver, or mailserver
[06:30] <nikkia> yay! :)
[06:31] <apokryphos_> thanks :D
[06:31] <gdh> The easiest would be to pay your domain registrar an extra dollar or two and get them to host the DNS :)
[06:31] <inc|freaky> i think i cant really help you if you want to do it on your own nameserver i can just point you to www.dyndns.org which offers such services for free
[06:31] <gdh> heh
[06:31] <nikkia> gdh, all of the dynamic dns providers do it for free, why bother?
[06:32] <nikkia> and personally, i prefer afraid.org over dyndns.org
[06:32] <gdh> nikkia: I've never had to use those providers ...
[06:32] <nikkia> they offer more domains and more features (AAAA records for example)
[06:32] <blackflag> I can recommend dyndns.org
[06:32] <inc|freaky> yea for me dyndns does all i want
[06:32] <blackflag> I do it over along time - no problem there
[06:32] <sorush20> thanks inc|freaky, I'll have a read on dyndns.org
[06:32] <inc|freaky> sorush20: np ;)
[06:33] <inc|freaky> sorush20: when you read it and decided to register an account there i can guide you through the process of setting up ddclient to automatically update the dns when your computer makes a internet connection
[06:35] <inc|freaky> im in a helping mood right now lol
[06:35] <inc|freaky> i like kubuntu :)
[06:35] <inc|freaky> was using debian etch this morning
[06:37] <inc|freaky> brb just reconnecting
[06:38] <mornfall> Riddell: sry i got distracted by other issues...
[06:38] <mornfall> Riddell: navigate to http://pdx.freedesktop.org/~mornfall/adept/morn-source/
[06:38] <inc|freaky> nalioth: it works, thankyou :)
[06:38] <sorush20> inc|freaky: could you run it by me again what I need to do to transfer hosting, 
[06:39] <nalioth> inc|freaky: what works?
[06:39] <Riddell> mornfall: cool
[06:39] <mornfall> Riddell: i actually couldn't resist and fixed one issue :-p
[06:40] <Riddell> in which?
[06:40] <mornfall> (it's not in adept svn though)
[06:40] <mornfall> Riddell: well, a possible crasher with very zealously clicking people :)
[06:40] <sorush20> inc|freaky: if I'm not mistaking I need to change the DNS for my domain from the hosting service I have right now to afraid.org or some other DNS, and I have been told that I should just email my current webhosting provider explaing the situation and asking for them to change my DNS, 
[06:40] <nalioth> inc|freaky: i dont think you are identified with services
[06:41] <inc|freaky> lol thx then it doesnt work like i want
[06:41] <nalioth> inc|freaky: what client do you use?
[06:42] <g|patrick> hi
[06:42] <inc|freaky> kvirc 
[06:43] <nalioth> inc|freaky: that's one client i know nothing about
[06:43] <sorush20> I'm confused so confused
[06:43] <inc|freaky> i know enough about it thx ;) just was too lazy to use the integrated nickserv feature and tried to do "on connect" instead of "on logon"
[06:43] <g|patrick> hi nalioth
[06:43] <inc|freaky> sorush20: why are you confused?
[06:43] <nalioth> g|patrick: howdy
[06:44] <nalioth> inc|freaky: use "server password"
[06:44] <g|patrick> can someone tell me where i have to place kopete styles, and how i can make them operable?
[06:44] <g|patrick> nalioth: long time not seen ;)
[06:44] <sorush20> inc|freaky: where did you learn all about hosting and stuff
[06:44] <nalioth> g|patrick: i've been here (mostly at night, US time)
[06:44] <inc|freaky> sorush20: i read a lot of documents and stuff ... 
[06:44] <g|patrick> ya.. but i wasnt ;)
[06:44] <g|patrick> using linux now more often ;)
[06:45] <inc|freaky> sorush20: so, what is your problem right now?
[06:47] <g|patrick> kopete, themes
[06:47] <g|patrick> howto ;(
[06:47] <g|patrick> ?
[06:47] <sorush20> well how do I go about hosting my on site for now on my own internet connection?
[06:47] <sorush20> inc|freaky: well how do I go about hosting my on site for now on my own internet connection?
[06:48] <blackflag> you want to be an ISP??
[06:48] <g|patrick> blackflag: i think he will host a site on his ip
[06:49] <blackflag> hmm, okay thats not difficult
[06:49] <sorush20> g|patrick: I want to host my site on my computer.. 
[06:49] <inc|freaky> sorush20: first you have to install apache what youve probably allready done. then get a dynamic dns ... www.dyndns.org get an account and register your own dynamic dns name of your choise (if its not taken)
[06:49] <sorush20> g|patrick: I don't want to be an ISP
[06:49] <inc|freaky> then come back and tell me
[06:50] <sorush20> inc|freaky: I've done that :-)
[06:50] <sorush20> inc|freaky: can I use afraid.org. could you take a look.. 
[06:50] <thorsten> join #atari
[06:51] <thorsten> i'm a lamer , try it later :-
[06:51] <g|patrick> quick question... howto import styles into kopete
[06:51] <g|patrick> where do i have to place them?
[06:53] <inc|freaky> sorush20: you really dont need afraid.org
[06:53] <inc|freaky> sorush20: and i guess (i dont know) dyndns.org is easier
[06:53] <inc|freaky> for you
[06:53] <inc|freaky> or not
[06:53] <inc|freaky> well, i dont know if ddclient supports afraid.org 
[06:53] <sorush20> inc|freaky: great is that is the case then I'll follow you
[06:54] <sorush20> well now I have an ID and pass for the dyndns.org
[06:54] <inc|freaky> maybe afraid.org supports a own program for updating everything, but i cant help you with that
[06:54] <inc|freaky> sorush20: ok, now log in and go to dynamic dns on the left
[06:55] <sorush20> inc|freaky: okay.. 
[06:55] <inc|freaky> sorush20: you can somewhere there register a new subdomain. your computer will be reachable at whatyouwant.thesubdomainyouchose.tld where tld is the topleveldomain means .com .net .org .de and so on
[06:56] <inc|freaky> f.e. i chose loopy as subdomain, selfip.net as domain so now my pc is reachable via loopy.selfip.net
[06:56] <sorush20> inc|freaky: I can't find the dynamic dns on the left
[06:57] <inc|freaky> wait ill look
[06:57] <inc|freaky> sorush20: at the top click on "Account"
[06:58] <inc|freaky> then on the left on "My Services"
[06:59] <inc|freaky> and there is umm w8
[07:00] <inc|freaky> My Hosts --> Dynamic DNS 
[07:00] <g|patrick> nobody here using kopete?
[07:00] <g|patrick> ;(
[07:00] <inc|freaky> im using kopete but i never tried themeing it
[07:00] <inc|freaky> but im interested in doing so, when i finished helping sorush20 ill look for how to theme it 
[07:00] <inc|freaky> first looking for themes though so it might take a while
[07:01] <inc|freaky> sorush20: and there you can on the right click onto "Add Host"
[07:01] <g|patrick> kde-look.org
[07:01] <sorush20> inc|freaky: so what do I type in the add host
[07:03] <inc|freaky> Hostname: this is the fully qualified domain name which will point to your ip. so if you want to have it to point to sorush.homedns.org you write in sorush
[07:03] <inc|freaky> if you want another name just type it in instead of sorush ;)
[07:03] <inc|freaky> you can use homedns.org but you can choose one at the list
[07:03] <inc|freaky> *from the list
[07:03] <inc|freaky> this is the address your pc will be reachable at
[07:03] <sorush20> but what about hosting my domain alborz.uk.com will that come later.. 
[07:04] <inc|freaky> the ip-address is automatically put in there
[07:04] <inc|freaky> umm, i think you cant do that
[07:04] <sorush20> inc|freaky: what about my mail.alborz.uk.com can i do that too.. 
[07:04] <inc|freaky> you cant use your own domains
[07:04] <sorush20> really
[07:05] <inc|freaky> well, they offer to do that ive read i think
[07:05] <sorush20> inc|freaky: that is what I intended to do. so dnydns.org is for accessing your apachea folder via the sorush.domain.com etc.. 
[07:06] <inc|freaky> right you can also handle mail with it i think w8 ill look
[07:06] <sorush20> afraid.org can let you do that and Im just trying to figure out how to.. 
[07:06] <inc|freaky> yes you can
[07:06] <inc|freaky> sorush20: you have to run your own mailserver
[07:08] <johan__> I'm trying to install interner explorer with wine, but the internet explorer says that it can't connect to the internet, how do I give wine internet acess?
[07:08] <sorush20> thanks a lot inc|freaky what do you work as and where do yo live
[07:09] <inc|freaky> i live in germany im unemployed and will soon be going to school again to a local cisco networking akademy 
[07:09] <inc|freaky> some school for communication technic and computer stuff
[07:16] <inc|freaky> brb
[07:20] <antoine> hello everybody!
[07:21] <blackflag> hi
[07:21] <antoine> i installed karamba, since that time, I can hear a terrible "bip" sound from my speaker
[07:21] <antoine> do somebody know how to avoid it ?
[07:22] <antoine> i cannot change it from kmix
[07:22] <inc|freaky> who had the problem with kopete? where do i get kopete themes?
[07:24] <sorush20> inc|freaky: go to the ubuntu channel its a lot better.. 
[07:24] <inc|freaky> im there ;)
[07:25] <inc|freaky> sorush20: do you need anymore help now with your dynamic dns thing?
[07:28] <tecknozic> hi
[07:28] <tecknozic> i'm back...
[07:28] <inc|freaky> welcome back :D
[07:29] <tecknozic> can you tell me again the command to install Skype (debian package) ?
[07:29] <inc|freaky> sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[07:29] <tecknozic> thks
[07:29] <inc|freaky> np
[07:29] <inc|freaky> brb
[07:30] <aitor> hi
[07:30] <aitor> in bourne shell, is there any way to iterate through a command's output?
[07:30] <nalioth> aitor: iterate?
[07:31] <aitor> I want to assign each line of the output to a variable
[07:31] <aitor> I was thinking about some kind of foreach command as VAR or something like that
[07:32] <aitor> say I execute find ./ -type d  which outputs directories
[07:32] <aitor> each in one line
[07:32] <aitor> I want those directories to be assigned to a variable
[07:33] <aitor> so, in some kind of loop, I can make use of the directory name
[07:34] <aitor> any hint?
[07:38] <foodcoman> Breezy is looking Good!
[07:38] <foodcoman> The upgrades have been typically smooth.
[07:39] <aitor> which are the main upgrades?
[07:39] <foodcoman> There have been too many to list.
[07:39] <Tm_T> :/
[07:39] <foodcoman> Kernel, KDE X.
[07:39] <Tm_T> I messed my system with breezy :p
[07:40] <foodcoman> Well maybe wait for the full boat in October!
[07:40] <foodcoman> I assume you did a Hoary -> Breezy?
[07:40] <Tm_T> yup
[07:40] <aitor> October? sooner than I expected :) joy to me!
[07:40] <Tm_T> and now I can't compile kopete anymore
[07:41] <foodcoman> I figured it was time to nuke and pave, backed up my important stuff.  Dumped all the mistakes I made in Hoary!  =)
[07:41] <Tm_T> and something is creating massive loads
[07:41] <foodcoman> Been fairly smooth, only occasional hiccups.
[07:41] <foodcoman> Running on 2 boxes so far and working pretty well.
[07:41] <Tm_T> like, just doing apt-get update -> loads over 4
[07:42] <foodcoman> I am sure with the GCC updates and stuff there will be a little stabilization time.
[07:42] <foodcoman> Lots of dependencies for the older stuff still.
[07:46] <aitor> is there any way of making ls output the entire path before each filename?
[07:47] <nalioth> aitor: all i can say is "man ls"
[07:47] <aitor> i cannot find it in man....maybe there is some other command
[07:48] <foodcoman> pwd will show current path when you ls.
[07:49] <foodcoman> du will show it also
 pwd will show current path when you ls.   <--terrible way to word it.  Sorry
[07:53] <g|patrick> still nobody there who could explain me how to add new styles for compete?
[07:58] <havoc> nalioth: you are a very patient person
[07:59] <Tuxist> hi
[07:59] <havoc> hi
[07:59] <inc|freaky> now my irc-client doesnt let me connect to freenode ... i have to enter the ip myself it says it cant resolve ip-address from irc.freenode.net i tried rewriting it ... strange
[08:00] <havoc> inc|freaky: is it just he irc client, or all net apps?
[08:00] <havoc> like 'ping'?
[08:02] <tecknozic> back, still with my skype pb
[08:02] <nalioth> havoc: i'm drunk
[08:03] <havoc> nalioth: you'd almost always have to be to tolerate some of those people
[08:03] <tecknozic> during install, 2 packages missing : libqt3c102-mt and libstdc++5
[08:03] <nalioth> havoc: i'm patient.
[08:05] <havoc> I have a few hours to go yet until Miller Time
[08:07] <tecknozic> ok I found the first package, but I don't have libstdc++5
[08:07] <nalioth> tecknozic: kynaptic
[08:07] <havoc> synaptic ?
[08:07] <nalioth> havoc: kynaptic in kubuntu, synaptic in gnome (usually)
[08:08] <havoc> ah
[08:08] <havoc> is kubuntu so different from stock KDE to warrant a different name, or is a branding/marketing thing?
[08:10] <buz> god-zero: referring to my growisofs troubles, nerolinux burns 4x juuuust fine
[08:10] <buz> but it also uses 200mb ram ;) (which is fine by me)
[08:10] <tecknozic> ok, I found it on debian website
[08:11] <buz> so if i could find a way to get k3b to do that, i'd likely be ok
[08:11] <tecknozic> I will restart the system and see...
[08:14] <tecknozic> libqt3c102-mt in conflict with libqt3-mt
[08:14] <tecknozic> ... I don't know what to do now
[08:16] <inc|freaky> well, cant you just compile from sources?
[08:16] <inc|freaky> you shouldnt do what you're doing if you're not familiar with all this
[08:17] <tecknozic> ok, then, any solution to install skype ?
[08:18] <tecknozic> can I use the tar.bz2 file ?
[08:20] <nalioth> ubotu: tell tecknozic about cli
[08:21] <tecknozic> ok, it worked unsing tar.bz2 file
[08:22] <inc|freaky> tecknozic: yes! use the tar.bz2 file
[08:22] <inc|freaky> tar xvjf file.tar.bz2
[08:23] <tecknozic> and I can install it anywhere I want ?
[08:24] <nalioth> tecknozic: not really
[08:24] <nalioth> tecknozic: read what ubotu sent you
[08:24] <tecknozic> ok
[08:24] <tecknozic> what is the best place to install it ?
[08:25] <inc|freaky> ubotu: tell inc|freaky about cli
[08:26] <inc|freaky> nalioth: will do :)
[08:26] <tecknozic> where can I install Skype ?
[08:26] <inc|freaky> tecknozic: it should do it itself
[08:26] <inc|freaky> just unpack the file, go into the directory
[08:26] <inc|freaky> and do: ./configure
[08:26] <inc|freaky> make
[08:26] <inc|freaky> sudo make install
[08:26] <gdh> hasn't the freethinking world now boycotted Skype on principle that eBay own it now? :)
[08:27] <tecknozic> ok
[08:27] <mornfall> hmm
[08:30] <nalioth> inc|freaky: no dont
[08:30] <tecknozic> ?
[08:30] <nalioth> tecknozic: no dont
[08:30] <nalioth> you guys instead of using "make install" use checkinstall
[08:30] <nalioth> !checkinstall
[08:30] <ubotu> rumour has it, checkinstall is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[08:30] <nalioth> it'll make life a LOT easier
[08:31] <Tm_T> hm
[08:31] <Tm_T> unsermake o/
[08:31] <nalioth> checkinstall allows synaptic/apt to see pkgs YOU make from source
[08:31] <inc|freaky> thx for the tip!! if i just knew it before
[08:32] <tecknozic> ok, I just did ./skype and it worked. Is it ok ?
[08:32] <inc|freaky> tecknozic: if it worked its probably ok :)
[08:32] <nalioth> tecknozic: so far, yes
[08:32] <tecknozic> ok thks guy
[08:32] <tecknozic> thks a lot
[08:33] <inc|freaky> np :)
[08:33] <inc|freaky> nalioth: i can also just (as i still have the source-directory) do a checkinstall now even its allready installed right?
[08:34] <nalioth> inc|freaky: once it's "make install" you've got stuff everywhere with no record
[08:34] <nalioth> inc|freaky: try "sudo make uninstall"
[08:35] <inc|freaky> nalioth: yes, can i just do sudo checkinstall now?
[08:35] <inc|freaky> i still got the source-directory
[08:35] <inc|freaky> just to have it in the database or whatever
[08:35] <nalioth> inc|freaky: better to see if you can pull the stuff you've "made install"
[08:35] <_janne> hello
[08:35] <nalioth> inc|freaky: but it doestn matter
[08:35] <nalioth> _janne: howdy
[08:36] <inc|freaky> nalioth: ill jsut do it now ;)
[08:36] <_janne> i have a BIG problem with Java anyone here think they can help me ?
[08:36] <nalioth> _janne: if you ask, someone may
[08:37] <_janne> okay.. here goes...
[08:37] <_janne> i installed the java for my browser from www.java.com. I downloaded the self.extracting bin file for linux
[08:38] <inc|freaky> nalioth: y do you say it doesnt matter?
[08:38] <_janne> I followed the instructions and after the installation (to /usr/local/java/ ) i created the symlink to mozilla
[08:38] <_janne> but after this i can no longer open the browser... it just loads for about 20 seconds then closes again 
[08:39] <_janne> i then tried to install mozilla-firefox
[08:39] <nalioth> inc|freaky: checkinstall makes a deb. debs are easily tracked using apt. if you have 'made install" and are still in teh build directory, if you "sudo make uninstall" you'll clean the uncatalogued stuff 
[08:39] <havoc> _janne: start it from an xterm so you can see the errors when it exits
[08:39] <nalioth> _JakubS: remove the symlink and see if moz works
[08:39] <_janne> and it worked great (but no java) I then created the symlink and now firefox will not open either
[08:39] <inc|freaky> nalioth: ah, umm, checkinstall creates the .deb does it also install it?
[08:39] <_janne> i'll try from xterm
[08:40] <havoc> inc|freaky:did you read that link?  checkinstall does what 'make install' would do
[08:40] <tigermb> i just read about his adblocK feature in konqueror... i dont see it in my konqueror
[08:41] <nalioth> inc|freaky: it does
[08:41] <inc|freaky> havoc: ok. so what i did now is: I installed a program from cvs, did make install. now, you told me about checkinstall. now what i did is, doing the checkinstall no matter the program is allready installed.
[08:42] <_janne> when i remove the symlink from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ the browser opens fine :S
[08:42] <Tuxist> is a ubuntu developer here ?
[08:42] <havoc> if it's already installed it's probably too late to do anything about it
[08:42] <_janne> but ofcourse then java doesn't work 
[08:42] <havoc> _janne: did it give you an error when starting it from an xterm
[08:42] <havoc> ?
[08:42] <inc|freaky> i dont want to uninstall it
[08:43] <havoc> inc|freaky: if it's done, then it's done
[08:43] <mornfall> Tuxist: fur fucks sake, stop with that color thing
[08:43] <_janne> havoc: how do i start from xterm ? do i just open a prompt and type "mozilla"
[08:43] <inc|freaky> havoc: but if i use checkinstall i have the .deb
[08:43] <_janne> ?
[08:43] <havoc> pretty much
[08:43] <inc|freaky> and its listed 
[08:43] <nalioth> _JakubS: yes
[08:43] <mornfall> Tuxist: (bold, whatever...)
[08:43] <havoc> _janne: pretty much
[08:44] <Tuxist> what is
[08:44] <_janne> ok starting it from xterm also works fine
[08:44] <nalioth> inc|freaky: checkinstall doesnt remove things
[08:44] <mornfall> Tuxist: AAARGH
[08:44] <havoc> _janne: I had meant to start it from an xterm when it wasn't working
[08:44] <tigermb> i just read about his adblocK feature in konqueror... i dont see it in my konqueror
[08:44] <inc|freaky> nalioth: right, thats also not what i want. checkinstall creates a deb. installs the deb.
[08:44] <_janne> now i add the symlink again 
[08:44] <nalioth> inc|freaky: save your debs. they are custom for your system
[08:44] <havoc> _janne: that way errors may be printed out when it crashes
[08:45] <inc|freaky> ah ic ...
[08:45] <nalioth> tigermb: i have no clue what you are on about. try floppymoose.com
[08:45] <inc|freaky> nalioth: so you mean just for the next time i want to install it?
[08:45] <inc|freaky> i can use the .deb file?
[08:46] <_janne> ok i did that but nothing happens... no error or anything.. just halts for a second and changes line to be ready for a new command
[08:46] <nalioth> inc|freaky: yes
[08:46] <inc|freaky> and then i can uninstall it, now, the first time when i use it, i cant uninstall it using dpkg ... but thats whats written on that page hmm im confused
[08:46] <mornfall> inc|freaky: yeah, and you can dpkg -r the thing
[08:46] <havoc> _janne: :(
[08:46] <_janne> Java on Kubuntu is a pain... i really hope it gets in the standard install for 5.10
[08:46] <orace|> it can't
[08:47] <mornfall> _janne: i sure hope as hell it won't
[08:47] <orace|> javas license prevents that
[08:47] <inc|freaky> so, doing the checkinstall now, even the program is installed, makes me able to (as its installed as before) remove everything using dpkg -i without need of make uninstall
[08:47] <havoc> _janne: it won't be since it's not "free"
[08:47] <nalioth> _janne: i have a deb for hoary, if you want to try that
[08:47] <nalioth> inc|freaky: on everything you compile using checkinstall, yes
[08:47] <_janne> nalioth.. problem is that java installs fine but when i try to enable it for browsers the browsers breaks
[08:48] <_janne> except for Konquror but that browser doesn't work with my homebanking :-S
[08:48] <mornfall> _janne: that's not what i call "installs fine" p
[08:48] <_janne> he he
[08:48] <mornfall> upgrade your bank
[08:48] <nalioth> _janne: it doesn't?
[08:48] <mornfall> mine works fine in konqueror without java :)
[08:48] <_janne> nope www.nordea.dk
[08:49] <_janne> second largest bank in scandinavia
[08:49] <inc|freaky> nalioth: ok, can i also redistribute the .debs on my website for other ppl?
[08:49] <inc|freaky> if i include the processor i did it?
[08:49] <nalioth> inc|freaky: no. checkinstall doesn't make debian standard debs
[08:50] <inc|freaky> so its only for me and i should save all my .debs in a directory ;D
[08:50] <mornfall> nalioth: that doesn't prevent distribution on website
[08:50] <nalioth> inc|freaky: better to teach your friends to compile
[08:50] <inc|freaky> nalioth: and its not listed in a apt-cache search ?
[08:50] <inc|freaky> nalioth: thats right ;)
[08:50] <nalioth> mornfall: checkinstall doesnt package to debian standard
[08:50] <mornfall> nalioth: so what
[08:51] <nalioth> inc|freaky: could dist all the debs he likes, and even on the same machine type, the odds of them working are slim for other users
[08:51] <inc|freaky> ok, so they will only work on my pc
[08:52] <nalioth> inc|freaky: correct
[08:52] <mornfall> inc|freaky: i guess nalioth is making it seem a bigger problem than it is
[08:52] <inc|freaky> it'd be just kewl to support friends with nice packages i use ^^
[08:52] <nalioth> mornfall: do you have the same things installed on your box as inc|freaky has on his?
[08:52] <mornfall> inc|freaky: as long as its same arch, distribution (version) and whoever installs is willing to tweak a bit, it should work
[08:53] <inc|freaky> nalioth: is there any way i can list all the checkinstall .debs i installed?
[08:53] <nalioth> mornfall: if they're willing to "tweak a bit" they can compile the bloody thing themselves
[08:53] <nalioth> inc|freaky: they are listed in synaptic/kynaptic (see 'locally installed')
[08:53] <inc|freaky> nalioth: if i upgrade to a new kubuntu version, will the .debs still work?
[08:53] <mornfall> nalioth: it's still bounds and leaps faster to dpkg -i it
[08:53] <inc|freaky> nalioth: allright, thx
[08:53] <mornfall> nalioth: that YOU don't want to do it doesn't mean NOONE does
[08:53] <nalioth> inc|freaky: maybe
[08:54] <nalioth> mornfall: do what?
[08:54] <tigermb> nalioth: thanx it's like something like a css i had from firefox website, but they both dont block this specific flash image im so anoyed about. Although the css works in mozilla
[08:54] <inc|freaky> thx nalioth for the help :DD
[08:54] <mornfall> nalioth: install checkinstalled debs
[08:54] <nalioth> tigermb: floppymoose.com
[08:55] <nalioth> mornfall: i use checkinstall all the time
[08:55] <mornfall> nalioth: install checkinstalled debs made by someone else
[08:55] <mornfall> *sigh*
[08:55] <nalioth> the point is: why would someone want to make their system exactly like someone elese just to intall a deb, when they can compile and use checkinsatll on their own box in the first place?)
[08:56] <mornfall> *sigh*
[08:56] <nalioth> b/c checkinstalled debs dont check for dependencys or anthing
[08:56] <mornfall> SO WHAT
[08:56] <_janne> can anybody verify that uninstalling Java isntalled from selfextracting bin us simply to remove the folder it is installed in ?
[08:56] <mornfall> and it's *not* exactly like someone elses
[08:56] <nalioth> mornfall: whats the point of installing a deb that wont work and wont tell you why?
[08:56] <mornfall> nalioth: know what, forget it
[08:56] <nalioth> _janne: yes, unless you've moved it
[08:57] <nalioth> mornfall: i'm probably not understanding what you're saying
[08:57] <mornfall> nalioth: you are just too smart
[08:57] <tigermb> nalioth: that's the one
[08:57] <inc|freaky> guys dont argue because of me :D
[08:58] <inc|freaky> i understand both sides
[08:58] <mornfall> nalioth: point: you just need to install the dependencies
[08:58] <mornfall> nalioth: you also need to install the dependencies to build the thing
[08:59] <mornfall> nalioth: and it's usually less work to find what needs to be installed from binaries than from configure output
[08:59] <mornfall> (ldd is your friend)
[08:59] <nalioth> mornfall: but the checkinstall made deb has 0 info for apt to read concerning depends
[09:00] <mornfall> nalioth: (incidentally, it should be quite trivial to make checkinstall generate shlibs depends)
[09:01] <nalioth> mornfall: it's open source
[09:01] <mornfall> hmm, and?
[09:02] <nalioth> make it so
[09:02] <mornfall> not at all
[09:02] <nalioth> keep in mind there are debian tools that make fully functional debs that work almost as friendily as checkinstall
[09:02] <mornfall> nalioth: heh, no
[09:04] <mornfall> nalioth: the difference is more like "work invested" than "tools used"
[09:04] <inc|freaky> if i allready did make install, and nothing compiles anymore ... does the .deb still work?
[09:05] <inc|freaky> (nothing compiles anymore when doing checkinstall)
[09:05] <mornfall> sure
[09:05] <nalioth> inc|freaky: yes it did, and it should be in the build dir
[09:05] <inc|freaky> yes it is, thx ^^
[09:06] <inc|freaky> can i remove the source-directories?
[09:06] <bluefoxicy> aye I hate KDE :>
[09:06] <bluefoxicy> But I rigged Gnome's bottom panel up to look like KDE
[09:06] <inc|freaky> i like KDE :)
[09:06] <mornfall> nalioth: i have made enough debs to know that it's a lot more work than running some magical tool to make a high-standard package
[09:07] <nalioth> mornfall: ok. i find it quite easy
[09:07] <bluefoxicy> inc:  I just don't like Qt tbh; if it was GTK I wouldn't care.  (and if it was C, and didn't over-eat my 1G of ram)
[09:07] <bluefoxicy> anyway point in case
[09:07] <bluefoxicy> I made Gnome look kinda like KDE in terms of panel and desktop, notably though nautilus != konqueror
[09:08] <inc|freaky> im using mozilla firefox and mozilla thunderbird ;)
[09:08] <mornfall> nalioth: for trivial software, it's easy yes -- try amarok or nx :)
[09:08] <inc|freaky> they look nice with some skinning#
[09:08] <bluefoxicy> Think it'd be interesting to come up with a way to select default configurations when creating a user that would make KDE/XFCE4/GNOME look the same in terms of layout?
[09:08] <Lupin__III> hi all, someone could tell me where's gone the "go" menu in konqueror 3.4.2 (breezy)???
[09:08] <inc|freaky> why is everyone upgrading to breezy?
[09:08] <bluefoxicy> i.e. a config that lays the panels in Gnome out like KDE's defaults; or in KDE like Gnome's defaults; or makes XFCE look like Gnome
[09:09] <Lupin__III> i can't browse network folder anymore unless i type in the url bar
[09:09] <bluefoxicy> or makes Gnome or KDE look like OSX (which is what XFCE looks like by default)
[09:09] <nalioth> inc|freaky: because it's "NEW"
[09:10] <inc|freaky> nalioth: its still not out?
[09:10] <mornfall> because it's got adept in it!
[09:10] <mornfall> of course =)
[09:10] <inc|freaky> whats adept?
[09:10] <inc|freaky> its out?
[09:10] <inc|freaky> thought it was a preview?
[09:10] <mornfall> what's out?
[09:10] <mornfall> breezy ain't out
[09:11] <inc|freaky> should i upgrade too?
[09:11] <inc|freaky> how to upgrade?
[09:11] <inc|freaky> many problems when upgrading?
[09:11] <inc|freaky> i installed this version today i dont even know the name lol
[09:11] <nalioth> inc|freaky: official release is oct 13
[09:12] <inc|freaky> ok so arround 2 weeks
[09:12] <inc|freaky> what is adept?
[09:12] <havoc> !find adept
[09:12] <nalioth> !info adept breezy
[09:12] <ubotu> adept: (package manager for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 0.4.1 (breezy), Packaged size: 1257 kB, Installed size: 3620 kB
[09:12] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'adept' (1 shown): (/usr/share/games/wesnoth/images/{undead-adept-attack.png|undead-adept-defend.png|undead-adept.png}) in universe/games/wesnoth-data.
[09:13] <mornfall> har har
[09:13] <inc|freaky> is adept better then kynaptic?
[09:13] <_janne> so who can recommend the smoothes way to get java support for mozilla or mozilla firefox ?
[09:13] <inc|freaky> what about ubuntu do they release "breezy" too?
[09:13] <mornfall> inc|freaky: breezy is primarily an ubuntu release
[09:13] <inc|freaky> awkay allright
[09:14] <inc|freaky> so, do you think i should upgrade to breezy now?
[09:14] <mornfall> no idea
[09:14] <inc|freaky> nalioth: what do you say?
[09:16] <MikeStyle> Hi, here is a screenshot of my current desktop (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/mikemikemike/screenshot2.png) and im trying to get the translucency settings on my taskbar to look like this (http://homepages.comnet.co.nz/~matt-sarah/technobabble/screenie2.png) ... can anyone be of assisstance?
[09:17] <_janne> is java available in any of the repositories ??
[09:17] <inc|freaky> mornfall: when i upgrade ... did you have many problems while upgrading? is there any reason why i shouldnt upgrade?
[09:17] <nalioth> _janne: hoary or breezy?
[09:17] <_janne> if so what package should i look for 
[09:17] <mornfall> inc|freaky: i am running debian sid =)
[09:17] <nalioth> inc|freaky: there's no hurry
[09:17] <mornfall> inc|freaky: having breezy and hoary chroots
[09:17] <inc|freaky> mornfall: i was running debian etch this morning when i decided to install kubuntu ;D
[09:18] <MikeStyle> ...
[09:18] <nalioth> _janne: are you running breezy or hoary?
[09:18] <_janne> Breezy
[09:19] <inc|freaky> see every1 using breezy :(
[09:19] <_janne> i think
[09:19] <inc|freaky> im a outsider lol
[09:19] <_janne> how do i verify that ? I have upgraded KDE to 3.4,2
[09:19] <nalioth> _janne: http://giannaros.org/tor/bt/
[09:20] <nalioth> inc|freaky: *nix isnt about bling. it's about stability
[09:20] <MikeStyle> oh and im running a dell inspiron 5100 laptop. linux picks up that its a laptop and monitors the batery/temp. but as far as i can see there is no way to put my computer in "suspend mode". and it takes a long time to boot up every time. is there a feature to let me "suspend" my laptop?
[09:20] <inc|freaky> i upgraded to kde3.4.2 too ;D
[09:21] <MikeStyle> kde 3.4 + rocks
[09:21] <MikeStyle> they have 3.4 beta out now
[09:21] <inc|freaky> nalioth: allright ill wait the 2 weeks ;D 
[09:21] <MikeStyle> from wut i can tell its cool
[09:21] <inc|freaky> nalioth: are you using auto-apt too? what is it?
[09:21] <inc|freaky> nm ill look 
[09:22] <_janne> how do i see what version of kubuntu i use !?
[09:22] <MikeStyle> www.kde.org
[09:22] <MikeStyle> uh,\
[09:22] <nalioth> inc|freaky: we all use apt
[09:22] <MikeStyle> i dunno
[09:22] <inc|freaky> _janne: at the K-menu if you didnt disable the banner
[09:22] <inc|freaky> nalioth: no i mean auto-apt
[09:22] <MikeStyle> can anyone help with either of my problems?
[09:22] <inc|freaky> nalioth: instead of ./configure
[09:22] <inc|freaky> its on the page you gave me
[09:23] <_janne> i dont have that anymore
[09:23] <nalioth> inc|freaky: do i use apt to build from source?
[09:23] <_janne> after giving it some thought i think i am actually still using Hoary
[09:23] <_janne> didn't go with the unstable version yet
[09:23] <inc|freaky> _janne: same here ;)
[09:24] <jjesse> _janne: do your sources listing say breezy or hoary that would be an easy way to tell
[09:24] <_janne> he he ofcourse... two sec
[09:25] <inc|freaky> nalioth: of course not its a tool for automatically searching and installing dependencies from ./configure
[09:25] <inc|freaky> i have to remember this it sounds kewl
[09:25] <inc|freaky> *interesting
[09:25] <nalioth> inc|freaky: never heard of it
[09:25] <_janne> i use Hoary for sure
[09:25] <zAo^> what is gam_serve used for? 
[09:25] <_janne> Nalioth: can i still use the link to the torrents you gave me ?
[09:26] <nalioth> _janne: yes
[09:26] <zAo^> that is: /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server
[09:26] <inc|freaky> nalioth: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[09:26] <nalioth> zAo^: it keeps up with your directory contents in kde and gnome
[09:26] <nalioth> inc|freaky: i sent you that link
[09:26] <inc|freaky> nalioth: yea as i said its on the link you gave me
[09:26] <inc|freaky> just at the bottom
[09:26] <inc|freaky> using checkinstall with auto-apt
[09:26] <foodcoman> _janne: Did you get version check info already?
[09:27] <nalioth> inc|freaky: hmmm
[09:27] <_janne> foodcoman: yes i checked the sources.list
[09:27] <inc|freaky> nalioth: :) at least i could tell you something new too ^^
[09:27] <zAo^> nalioth, thanks. I want to mkfs a partition, but gam_server keeps it busy
[09:27] <inc|freaky> *was able to
[09:27] <foodcoman> _janne: Another nice way is Any KDE application, Help menu then about.
[09:27] <inc|freaky> my english broke in the last hour
[09:27] <zAo^> nalioth, should I stop X?
[09:27] <inc|freaky> probably because im talking english the whole day allready
[09:28] <foodcoman> _janne: Also for Kernel in console you can type   uname -a
[09:28] <kozz> in breezy seems like the acpi event to turn off the screen uses xscreensaver to turn off the screen, is it possible to use the screensaver in KDE instead?
[09:29] <kozz> work if i start the xscreensaver daemon, but prefers to use the one in KDE
[09:29] <kozz> without modifing /etc/acpi/screenblank.sh :)
[09:30] <inc|freaky> how to configure apm?
[09:31] <inc|freaky> advanced power mangagement
[09:31] <inc|freaky> management
[09:31] <inc|freaky> or how to write it
[09:32] <zAo^> nalioth, stopped kdm, worked. Thanks
[09:33] <ArthurB> Hi, I have a problem with Kontact and Kgpg, I can successfully send encrypted mail to myself, but if I try to open them it fails saying "bad passphrase"... the thing is, it doesn't even prompt me for one
[09:33] <kozz> inc|freaky: you should use acpi, what do you want to configure?
[09:34] <MikeStyle> hey guys, need some more help. i found a mac emulator called Mac-On-Linux (MOL) and its having some errors once i try to compile it from its source....im running kubuntu, how would i run a .rpm?
[09:35] <inc|freaky> kozz: whats acpi?
[09:35] <inc|freaky> kozz: the monitor thingy
[09:35] <inc|freaky> so the led becomes orange instead of green/yellow
[09:36] <nalioth> MikeStyle: if you like the possibility of breakage, use alien
[09:36] <nalioth> MikeStyle: MOL is available via ubuntu repos
[09:36] <MikeStyle> nalioth, once again out of the many times you try to help me i have no idea what you mean :)
[09:37] <MikeStyle> nalioth what is alien
[09:37] <nalioth> MikeStyle: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacOnLinuxHowto
[09:38] <MikeStyle> thank u much nalioth, i love u in the straightest way possible
[09:38] <inc|freaky> if i install windows now on my other partition (for downloading stuff and such) does ubuntu automatically add it to the automount stuff i forgot how that file is called again
[09:38] <inc|freaky> fstab it is
[09:39] <jsubl2> is has to be there for the install for it to be added automatically i believe
[09:39] <nalioth> ubotu: tell inc|freaky about windowsdrives
[09:39] <jsubl2> nalioth: so is houston getting back to normal
[09:40] <nalioth> jsubl2: slowly but surely
[09:40] <kozz> inc|freaky: replacement for apm, I do however do know how to change the color
[09:41] <_janne> noalith: do you have some other way of getting those deb's ? somehow Torrents doesn't work for me ! :S
[09:43] <nalioth> _janne: atm, no
[09:43] <nalioth> _JakubS: Seveas has them also for direct download
[09:46] <inc|freaky> thx nalioth :)
[09:47] <_janne> Nalioth: can you download from there ? just want to make sure that it is my end and not the seed that is broekn
[09:49] <nalioth> _janne: i'm the one seeding them
[09:49] <_janne> ahh :)
[09:49] <_janne> well torrents on Ubuntu is new to me.. do i have to do anything special for it to work ? I use bittornadu
[09:49] <_janne> *
[09:50] <_janne> *bittornado
[09:52] <jsubl2> nalioth: what are you seeding
[09:54] <jjesse> if i want to install gnome desktop on kde just apt-get install gnome-desktop?
[09:54] <jsubl2> ubuntu-desktop
[09:54] <_janne> hmm when i try to get it from Seveas i get package problems. Apparently my packages are newer than his deb is expecting
[09:55] <_janne> any way around that ?
[09:55] <mrmarcel> :(
[09:55] <jjesse> thanks jsubl2
[10:02] <MikeStyle> Hey nalioth, still here?
[10:02] <MikeStyle> i need some help installing MOL(Mac on Linux)
[10:08] <badbear> when i download an app with kynaptic? does is it compile? or just installed?
[10:09] <jsubl2> badbear: just install it is a binary
[10:09] <badbear> i think i have a problem
[10:09] <badbear> i selected some packages to install
[10:09] <nalioth> badbear: it installs ready for use
[10:09] <badbear> but kynaptic stays like "not response"
[10:10] <badbear> and it's been hapening, somehow, a little often
[10:10] <nalioth> badbear: try again later. the serves have been up and down
[10:10] <nalioth> badbear: are you using backports? if so, comment them out
[10:10] <badbear> what it's backports?
[10:10] <badbear> i'm using them, but i'm a newbie
[10:10] <badbear> so i really don't know what they are
[10:11] <philipacamaniac> has anyone tried using Breezy (specifically, the new System Settings) on resolutions less than 1024x768?
[10:11] <jjesse> philipacamaniac: yes i am at 800 x 600
[10:11] <philipacamaniac> jjesse: how are you able to change settings in the Appearance section?
[10:12] <jjesse> umm haven't tried, want me to?
[10:12] <philipacamaniac> please
[10:12] <philipacamaniac> thanks
[10:13] <jjesse> i am not, the tabs to apply are off the screen
[10:13] <philipacamaniac> just as i thought
[10:13] <philipacamaniac> i'm filing a bug, since the window can't be resized, and there are no scrollbars
[10:14] <jjesse> when i closed out it asked if wanted to apply the unsaved changes, when doing so made the changes
[10:14] <jjesse> not the best way to do, let me know the bug # and i can add comments
[10:15] <philipacamaniac> will do
[10:15] <cyne> greetings
[10:15] <philipacamaniac> and you couldn't hit administrator mode if you wanted
[10:15] <cyne> how do i convert a plain text database so that i can open it in openoffice?
[10:16] <cyne> spreadsheet
[10:16] <seth_k> cyne, you could import it as a CSV file?
[10:17] <cyne> hmmm well that could work :)
[10:18] <bufalo73> hello
[10:24] <philipacamaniac> jjesse: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16651
[10:27] <philipacamaniac> jjesse: are patched to the latest updates? I was using snapshot 20050927.
[10:30] <Spudchat> does anyone ever have a problem with kopete not receiving all ims?
[10:30] <philipacamaniac> spudchat: I've seen that before
[10:31] <Spudchat> any ideas on how to fix it?
[10:31] <Spudchat> gaim isnt the best looking for me
[10:31] <philipacamaniac> it was on a fully-patched hoary installation, and trouble with AIM service
[10:31] <philipacamaniac> hmm, might check bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[10:32] <Spudchat> ok thanks
[10:32] <seth_k> Spudchat, it has to do with when you rename your buddies on your contact list sometimes
[10:32] <Spudchat> ahhh
[10:32] <Spudchat> i did that
[10:33] <Spudchat> so maybe ill try and unrename them?
[10:33] <philipacamaniac> seth_k: Good to know!
[10:33] <inc|freaky> i use kopete. when i use it with msn messenger the picture of others get displayed in icon size! is there any way to change that?
[10:33] <seth_k> yeah, highlight > hit F2 > delete their name
[10:33] <seth_k> @ Spudchat 
[10:33] <Spudchat> ok thanks :)
[10:34] <Spudchat> im gonna try that and ill let ya guys know
[10:34] <seth_k> kopete is pretty buggy which is sad :( b/c I like it better than Gaim
[10:34] <seth_k> but Gaim + gtk-engines-gtk-qt isn't too bad
[10:35] <cyne> inc|freaky: right click on the icon and choose '48x48'
[10:35] <inc|freaky> cyne: its not much bigger
[10:36] <inc|freaky> im using only msn and icq is there any special thing only for msn supporting everything correctly?
[10:36] <cyne> inc|freaky: go to Chat -> Request Display Picture
[10:37] <inc|freaky> the pictures are still smaller than usual
[10:38] <cyne> nope, that's the entire picture
[10:38] <cyne> zoom in if you want to magnify it
[10:38] <seth_k> no, he's right
[10:38] <seth_k> MSN supports 96x96 display pics
[10:38] <seth_k> and Kopete only supports 48x48
[10:38] <cyne> ah
[10:38] <inc|freaky> yea
[10:38] <inc|freaky> that really sucks
[10:39] <seth_k> it may look ugly but it works better
[10:39] <cyne> actually it doesn't seth_k 
[10:39] <seth_k> or file a wishlist @ http://bugs.kde.org if one isn't already there
[10:39] <cyne> do request chat picture
[10:39] <cyne> and you get the entire 96x96
[10:39] <cyne> true story
[10:39] <seth_k> ok, let me check again
[10:40] <cyne> also if you hover the mouse over the icon inc|freaky you get the full pic
[10:40] <seth_k> yes, that's true, but I didn't think that was what he was asking
[10:40] <inc|freaky> cyne: oh you're right ... thx :D
[10:40] <cyne> yes he just wants to see it
[10:40] <seth_k> ah ok
[10:40] <cyne> :P
[10:40] <seth_k> cheers
[10:41] <inc|freaky> hey kopete isnt that bad as i first thought ^^
[10:41] <seth_k> no, the next version has webcam support that works
[10:41] <seth_k> it's pretty spiffy
[10:41] <cyne> nice
[10:41] <seth_k> does anybody else get the URL clipping bug? where a URL is split into many pieces?
[10:41] <jjesse> philipacamaniac: just updating system right now
[10:41] <Spudchat> im sorry but how do i rename them?
[10:42] <seth_k> Spudchat, highlight with arrow keys, press F2
[10:42] <Spudchat> when i delete there name and hit enter it goes right back
[10:42] <seth_k> hmm
[10:42] <philipacamaniac> jjesse: maybe it is already fixed, we'll see
[10:42] <seth_k> Spudchat, maybe a side effect of the same bug? I remember having to delete lots of buddies and re-add them... not sure
[10:42] <jjesse> philipacamaniac: hopefully
[10:42] <Spudchat> ok but did yours workterwards?
[10:42] <philipacamaniac> hey, my kubuntu package menu showed up in breezy after all, super cool. for such a small contrib, i still feel like a somebody.
[10:42] <inc|freaky> wait ill just try to stick in my webcap logitech quickcam pro 3000 lets see if it works havent tried until now
[10:43] <Spudchat> wow work afterwards?
[10:43] <bufalo73> I've got a little problem: mpg321 works fine, but amarok, juk, xmms and noatun don't work. They cough
[10:44] <bufalo73> maybe an arts problem?
[10:44] <cyne> they cough?
[10:45] <cyne> are they also sneezing and with a runny nose?
[10:45] <bufalo73> sorry, i speak Spanish
[10:45] <bufalo73> don't know how to describe it exactly
[10:46] <bufalo73> music sounds, but stops a moment, then goes faster, ...
[10:46] <jjesse> philipacamaniac: which kubuntu package?
[10:46] <seth_k> bufalo73, what are you playing the music from?
[10:46] <seth_k> jjesse, it's a right click menu that lets you install pcakges, it's cool
[10:46] <cyne> bufalo73: which sound card?
[10:46] <inc|freaky> why does kopete display messages which get sent to me in the upper left corner instead of just out of the icon in that bar where all the running applications iconized sit?
[10:46] <bufalo73> sound blaster live
[10:47] <jjesse> in the k menu? or through adept?
[10:47] <bufalo73> and the music is on my hard drive
[10:47] <seth_k> jjesse, neither. It's a right click thing. So I right click a deb, hit Kubuntu Package > Install
[10:47] <jjesse> oh i c
[10:47] <seth_k> instead of sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[10:47] <inc|freaky> does any1 know what packages i should install for my webcam? i got a logitech quickcam 3000 no idea where to start
[10:47] <philipacamaniac> yeah that's the one
[10:47] <seth_k> it's cool, gj philipacamaniac ^_^
[10:47] <cyne> inc|freaky: you need a driver for it?
[10:48] <inc|freaky> cyne: dont think so just a program beeing able to show video from it ^^
[10:48] <inc|freaky> asking for a good software
[10:48] <cyne> seth_k: what's the difference between dpkg and alien
[10:48] <seth_k> cyne, dpkg is the debian package management system. It lets you install packages. Alien is used to convert RPMs and Slackware TGZ to DEB format. Alien then calls dpkg to install the new DEB
[10:49] <cyne> ah :)
[10:49] <cyne> alien is easy to remember :)
[10:49] <cyne> i installed mdb-tools rpm earlier with it
[10:50] <cyne> converted some ms access databases to csv
[10:52] <gsuveg> 3.5beta1 is insane for work ? inly for testing ?
[10:52] <cyne> seth_k:  and i love it how you can open .deb in ark
[10:54] <seth_k> gsuveg, i use 3.5beta1
[10:54] <seth_k> gsuveg, very stable
[10:55] <gsuveg> faster as 3.4 ?
[10:55] <spiral> 'bye
[10:55] <gsuveg> spiral: bye
[10:55] <gsuveg> seth_k: ^^
[10:55] <seth_k> gsuveg, I don't really notice a difference
[10:55] <gsuveg> look better ?
[10:56] <seth_k> yes gsuveg, the new Plastik2 is really good-looking
[10:56] <gsuveg> seth_k: can you send me screenshot ?
[10:56] <gsuveg> seth_k: are you use kmail ?
[10:57] <seth_k> i don't use kmail
[10:58] <seth_k> just google for kde 3.5 screenshot
[10:58] <cyne> looks like you can't send files with kopete
[10:58] <cyne> oh well that's what email is for
[10:59] <jjesse> philipacamaniac:  still updating box, slow box so i will test the system settings change tomorrow, you can let me know then if it changed for you or email at jjesse@iserv.net (work is over for the  day)
[10:59] <cyne> oh, there we go
[10:59] <cyne> in the edit menu
[11:00] <gsuveg> anyone use kmail + smtp auth ?
[11:00] <McScruff> lo
[11:01] <seth_k> hi McScruff 
[11:01] <McScruff> i have a wireless card (setup and working) and also an ethernet, is there a way i can let the ethernet goto vmware so my virtual machine can have a real ip?
[11:06] <_mcscruff> :s
[11:06] <cyne> gsuveg:  hello
[11:07] <cyne> gsuveg: why not just use sendmail on your pc ?
[11:07] <gsuveg> cyne: im use it
[11:08] <gsuveg> cyne: but if im move, i need edit many times my postfix main.cf
[11:09] <gsuveg> it better to use smtp auth directly with kmail
[11:09] <gsuveg> and dont need run smtpd
[11:16] <gsuveg> cyne: hmm ? are you here ?
[11:17] <cyne> gsuveg: hi
[11:18] <cyne> i use sendmail directly.. i don't have to change anything
[11:18] <inc|freaky> i luv kubuntu :D
[11:18] <cyne> sorry i don't know how to do what you want to do
[11:19] <gsuveg> cyne: i need smtp auth before sending
[11:40] <philipacamaniac> htdig didn't make it into main for Breezy, that's disappointing
[11:40] <philipacamaniac> KHelpCenter searches don't work without it
[11:42] <inc|freaky> thats a bug i guess ;)
[11:43] <inc|freaky> just report it
[11:43] <inc|freaky> they will look if it is really needed
[11:43] <philipacamaniac> done... but, damn
[11:43] <philipacamaniac> you'd think searching the help was important
[11:44] <philipacamaniac> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13525
[11:45] <inc|freaky> i dont know, maybe ;)
[11:45] <inc|freaky> you should have included that this is cause of the first cd thing
[11:46] <seth_k> I changed the package to khelpcenter
[11:46] <philipacamaniac> thanks seth
[11:46] <philipacamaniac> first cd thing?