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klepasmoin01:46
klepasCould we during the course of the day come together and become a sort of quorum to decide on the items from that list I compiled?01:48
klepasHullo....01:54
klepas!gaim02:34
klepasack02:35
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klepasAnyone awake?09:18
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kamstrupyeay! I'm awake!09:32
klepasAnyone awake now...09:32
klepasfinally.09:32
klepasMoin09:32
kamstrupYou woke me up! :-D09:32
klepasgood09:32
klepas:-P09:32
klepashave you been following the mailing lists?09:33
kamstrupYes...09:33
klepashad a look at that list?09:35
klepasthat was compiled09:35
kamstrupyes09:35
klepaswe need to vote on it09:36
kamstrupdid you see the latest mail from Jeff Waugh?09:37
klepaschecking09:37
klepasalrighty09:39
kamstrupWow! Have you seen: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/09:39
klepaswell my idea then would be to cut down that list09:39
klepasyep09:39
kamstrupyes... it'd be really nice to have volvoguy or Andrew around when doing this09:40
kamstrupBut are we focusing solely on calendar images now (considering jdubs mail)09:41
klepasNo09:41
klepasI say we ought to cut down that list of possible candidates to 309:42
klepasfor each category09:42
kamstrupsounds sane09:42
klepaswe can do the calender stuff at the same time09:42
kamstrupBut how do we weed out?09:43
klepasWell, for example09:44
kamstrupMaybe we should just do it, and then direct complaints to /dev/null09:44
klepaslol09:44
kamstrup... seriously09:44
kamstrup:-)09:44
klepas"Now we do the children's category, open the stuff listed in the list and choose three"09:44
klepasthen we come to mutually agree09:45
klepasvoila09:45
klepasnext bit09:45
kamstrupOk. I guess we should warn the ML. Give it 15 minutes and then just get to it...09:45
klepasalrighty09:46
klepascould you write the mail09:46
kamstrupYep. I'm on it09:47
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klepasI need to be away for 24-30 minutes09:47
klepaspretty please with cherries ontop? ;-)09:47
klepasCheers.09:48
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volvoguyhey all. i have a million things going on at once, so i'm only about a third here.... but i wanted to be around, especially considering jeff's last email. 10:08
kamstrup... and considering /my/ last mail (send ~5 min ago)...10:09
kamstrup;-P10:09
volvoguywell yes... you're the one that got me in here. :o)10:09
kamstrupSuper10:09
kamstrup!10:09
volvoguyis Pascal in here too?10:09
volvoguyi can never remember everyone's nicks. 10:10
kamstrupHe'll be back soon (that's what he said atleast)10:10
volvoguyi got the impression from jeff's email that today is not necessarily the deadline for the wallpapers. 10:10
kamstrupit struck me too10:11
kamstrupBut then what would "Artwork Deadline" mean?10:11
volvoguyif that's the case, it might be nice to go through pascal's list and contact the artists, see if they'll post their stuff on art.ubuntu.com, and then figure out a good way to vote. 10:11
kamstrupyea, but we really need to narrow the list down before any voting...10:12
volvoguykamstrup, originally the canonical administrative people had much more lofty goals for our team and the breezy release. unrealistic goals in my opinion.10:12
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kamstruphe, yeah, but Dapper will have so much art you will get paint on you fingers if you touch the screen!10:13
kamstrupcheers mpathy 10:13
volvoguywell, if we can pick six, i don't think it's unreasonable to have 12-18 wallpapers in the pool to vote on. top six entries with the most votes get the nominiations. 10:14
mpathyhi kamstrup 10:14
mpathyyes.. quality not quantity10:14
kamstrupFor the calendars yes, but I still think we might as well pick "ordinary" wallpapers as well10:14
volvoguykamstrup, perhaps ogra_ can comment on that. since there will be an artwork repository online, i don't know if a "we liked these wallpapers" package in universe is really necessary.10:16
volvoguythat's just my opinion though.10:16
kamstrupYou know what'd be really cool volvoguy?10:18
volvoguyif we find out we have another week or two, we also might want to allow for voting on a wallpaper theme - and see if an artist with lots of votes could make all six. 10:18
volvoguykamstrup, what's that? 10:18
kamstrupIf the art-manager-thing was integrated into gnome-app-install10:19
volvoguykamstrup, i'm confident that we'll have something like gnome-art by dapper duck. it's already being talked about on the wiki as a goal for that relase. 10:20
kamstrup- might give problems with root/user priv's though (if it's integrated into gnome-app-install)10:20
volvoguyi'd honestly like to see it separate from the application installation program. 10:20
kamstrupthinking more about this... you're right10:21
volvoguykamstrup, have you tried gnome-art?10:21
kamstrupnot yet10:21
kamstrupI've tried the kde sister though10:21
kamstrupThat was not a good experience :-S10:21
volvoguymiketech is it's author and he's usually hanging around in here. he's already working on tying it in to art.ubuntu.com.10:21
volvoguyit works really well. 10:21
volvoguyif you're into theming in the windows world, it's much like the wincustomize browser. preview, download and install artwork right from the app. 10:23
kamstrupoh, I've not really used windos since '9810:24
volvoguyis anyone here really into the launchpad stuff yet? i think they might have voting/poll capabilities. 10:24
volvoguykamstrup, lucky you! i still can't quite get by with the gimp, so i'm stuck with windows mostly for the Adobe Creative Suite. 10:25
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volvoguykeep up with yer talking. i need to pop over to #ubuntu for a minute and then disappear from the computer for a few minutes. I will be back though. :o)10:27
klepasback10:27
kamstrupcheers, volvoguy and mpathy droppped by while you where away10:27
klepasyea10:27
klepasjust read the stuff10:28
kamstrupI think we should start when volvoguy gets back10:28
klepasyea10:28
klepasproblem is mum wants me to usher at the street theatre tonight10:28
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klepasin 15 minutes10:28
volvoguyi just medicated so i might be out in 15 minutes. 10:28
kamstrupwe need to quick then ;-P10:28
klepasSo, you guys can either go aead, or we can delay this till later10:29
klepasYour call, I'm easy going. :)10:29
volvoguyi can delay my non-computer stuff 15 minutes. fire away.10:29
klepasalrgihty10:29
klepasstart with the children's category?10:30
kamstrupAya10:30
kamstrupvolvoguy: you've got klepas' list in front of you?10:30
kamstrupmpathy: are you here?10:31
volvoguyyes, yes i do. 10:31
klepasgoodie10:31
volvoguysomewhere.10:31
klepasopen all the stuff from the children's section10:31
klepasset?10:32
kamstrupi'm ready10:33
klepasalrgihty10:33
klepasi think we can eliminate the 'ubuntu-tan' one10:33
klepasalthough it's really cute and cool, it's a language dependant one10:33
mpathykamstrup: not the whole time, I am at work & in danger ;)10:34
volvoguyok. kids all loaded.10:34
kamstrupmpathy: living life in the fast lane eh?10:34
klepasanyone else agree about the 'Ubuntu-tan' one?10:34
kamstrupon Ubuntu-tan: Quality work, but has text in it (I don't know what it says)10:35
volvoguyubuntu-tan is definitely not for children.10:35
mpathykamstrup: hehe.. there are higher goals than a job *ggg*10:35
kamstrup-- it might also be offensive to somebody10:35
klepasAgreed10:35
kamstrupscratch Ubuntu-tan then?10:35
klepasso that's out.10:35
klepasYes.10:35
volvoguywait. let's clarify something. are we discussing calendar art now or a potential universe package? 10:36
kamstrupoh :-D10:36
kamstrupI think it's non-calendar...?10:36
klepasye.10:36
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klepasShall we do the calender stuff afterwards?10:37
volvoguyif it's non-calendar, and we want a "grown ups" category, "ubuntu-tan" might fit there. 10:37
klepasLOl.10:37
volvoguyor maybe "anime land". 10:37
klepasheh10:37
klepaswell what we take out now could still go elsewhere10:37
klepaslike into "others"10:37
klepasbut anyway10:38
kamstrupcertainly10:38
klepasfor the children's category10:38
volvoguydoes anyone know what the character is saying in the text bubble?10:38
klepasthat leaves 3 left10:38
klepasleaves 4, sorry10:38
klepashttp://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/44 - I think this is splendid10:38
volvoguyi second that. "childs play" would be great for a kids section. 10:39
klepasokay10:39
volvoguy(who's taking notes?)10:39
klepasI can10:40
klepaswell only until i go10:40
volvoguyklepas, thanks. :)10:40
volvoguyok10:40
klepaswhich is 10 minutes @ max more :(10:40
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klepashttp://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/2810:40
klepaskeep that as well?10:40
klepasi like it, reminds me of "The Lion King", the kids' movie10:41
kamstrupWell... not really child-like10:41
volvoguyi like that one, but i might ask the artist to modify the logo part of it. 10:41
klepasit's GPL10:41
volvoguyit currently breaks the trademark rules. 10:41
klepasyep10:42
kamstrupon child's play: I'm planning to add an official logo and optimize the vertex count...10:42
volvoguyprobably not enough to piss anyone off, but it breaks consistency. 10:42
klepasagreed10:42
klepasactually10:42
kamstrupconsistency is really important10:42
klepascould one of you guys keep notes?10:42
kamstrupubuntulog is logging the conversation10:42
kamstrupbut I'm taking notes too...10:43
klepasjust edit 'the-list-v1.txt', and make a v2 out of it10:43
klepasthen post it later10:43
klepasfor the ML10:43
klepasand i need to go10:43
klepas:( :(10:43
volvoguywe'll fill you in later klepas. 10:44
klepasalrighty10:44
volvoguywe'll just go through the list and make comments. 10:44
klepasi'll stay in the channel10:44
volvoguyok.10:44
volvoguykamstrup, art.ubuntu.com doesn't show the artists name by default, does it?10:45
klepaskeep going!10:45
volvoguyklepas, we will. :)10:45
klepasclick on their username10:45
volvoguyklepas, oh, i see it. 10:45
klepasit will show you their real name (if they added it) and their email10:45
volvoguyi'm an admin there, so i'm sure i could find it eventually. i just missed it at first glance. 10:46
kamstrupHow about http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=2321810:46
volvoguyi don't have a problem with that one. 10:46
kamstrupSeems okay. It doesn't say "Ubuntu" but the circle of friends is there...10:47
kamstrupI dislike out-of-focus stuff like the plants in the foreground... but that's just me10:47
volvoguyyeah. acceptible for a non-calendar wallpaper.10:48
kamstrupcheck10:48
kamstruphttp://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/5010:48
volvoguyi think a lot of people do that on purpose so icons are easier to see on the desktop.10:48
kamstrupIm sort of a low-contrast man instead of an out-of-focus man :-P10:49
volvoguygotcha. :)10:49
volvoguyhttp://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/5010:49
volvoguy*sigh*10:49
kamstrup?10:49
volvoguyi think we should wait until he makes his SVG versions available. 10:50
kamstrupIt has really friendly eyes that badger10:50
klepasit is @ 1600x120010:50
volvoguythe illustration is good, but the colors just make me cringe. 10:50
klepasso it can be resized to smaller versions10:51
klepasi like it personally10:51
klepas:)10:51
klepasmore than http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=2321810:51
volvoguySVG not for resolution issues, but for a transparent background so users can change the color. 10:51
klepastrue10:51
klepasmmh10:51
klepashe said he'll release the SVG version10:52
kamstrupI think we should "okay" on the condition that the artist provide a transparent version ( be it svg or png)10:52
klepasi'll check if he submitted it to the wallpapers10:52
volvoguyklepas, yes he did. that's why i'm not saying no outright. 10:52
klepasnot in the incoming wallpapers list10:53
klepasand i need to really go now10:53
klepasCheers guys10:53
klepasremember to post what you've edited and noted on the ML10:53
volvoguylater klepas. have a good time. :)10:53
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volvoguyok. is that it for the kids? 10:54
kamstrupok lets move on10:54
kamstrupTeenage/cool.10:55
kamstrup'Ubuntu': http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=302&c=510:55
volvoguyactually, if we can find it, there was another on ubuntuforms that i really liked for kids. 10:55
volvoguyit was another badger, some in front of a fan, some jumping out of a plane... very good illustrations. 10:55
kamstrupIf you go dig for it, I'll ready some links for you10:55
volvoguysound familiar? 10:55
kamstrupYes, but that wasn't wallpapers was it?10:56
volvoguyi'll find it later on my own time. 10:56
kamstrupk10:56
volvoguyno, but i'm sure we could make it a wallpaper. :)10:56
kamstruphttp://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=302&c=5 : okay I guess. Not exceptionally cool though10:57
klepas|afki really like that one for the teenagers [http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=302&c=5] . It's simple, consistent with everything else. I like it.10:57
klepas|afkand yes i should be gone... just putting on shoes... :-P10:57
volvoguygimme a sec while you're loading up the next batch. i started my own text file for notes but i think i'm going to mark up Pascal's text file instead. 10:57
klepas|afkgo for it10:57
kamstruphttp://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=2250010:57
klepas|afkas long as you post all the extra notes on the ML10:57
volvoguyi will. 10:58
klepas|afk:o)10:58
volvoguyi just have a million windows open and firefox's memory leaks are rearing their ugly head. 10:58
klepas|afkhttp://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22500 - is cool, but not in consistency with the logo and the logo text10:59
klepas|afkand is not an SVG10:59
kamstruphttp://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22500: The overlay logo hurts my eyes... This does not comply with official logo10:59
kamstrupno go10:59
klepas|afkbut large enough anyway (1600x1200)10:59
klepas|afkno go10:59
klepas|afkagreed10:59
kamstrupscratch that one then10:59
mpathysomeone read the mail from jeff? wouldnt it be better to talk about the calendar first? just asking :)11:00
klepas|afkthe glasses?11:00
klepas|afkhttp://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/111:00
kamstrupohhh... the glasses11:00
kamstrupmpathy: we're finally getting something done, let's keep doing it :-)11:01
kamstrupAre they fully CG?11:01
klepas|afkmpathy: we said to do the calender afterwards11:01
klepas|afkand I'm out11:01
klepas|afkciao!!11:01
kamstrupcheers11:01
mpathyokay ;)11:01
volvoguyok. i'm caught up to the end of the kids section. did i miss the whole teens section? 11:02
volvoguyhttp://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=302&c=511:03
volvoguyabsolutely beautiful.11:03
mpathybtw, someone mentioned on the lug meeting yesterday: "wallpaper, teenager section? uhm.. does that means we get some naked babes again?" ;)11:03
kamstruphttp://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=302&c=5 got accepted11:04
volvoguylol. i'm sure canonical has lots of comps that didn't get used. 11:04
kamstrup... in the teenagers category11:04
volvoguyhttp://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=2250011:05
kamstrupI'm trying to dig out the "true" license on those sun glasses11:05
volvoguyi don't like. 11:05
volvoguylogo trademark issues. 11:05
mpathyvolvoguy: me too.. the wrong font and the logo is also modified.. a no-no11:05
volvoguyhttp://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/111:06
volvoguyhas anyone emailed the author to see where he got the glasses image?11:07
kamstrupIf the glasses are not CG, then they wont do. We can't have a picture of an iPod either can we?11:07
lukacuhttp://sxc.hu/browse.phtml?f=view&id=25877111:08
volvoguyi dunno. are those a particular brand of sunglasses? 11:08
kamstrupNike11:08
kamstrupthe logo got digitally removed11:09
mpathypersonally I dont like the glasses also.. whats the connection between ubuntu and glasses?11:09
volvoguyah ha.11:09
kamstrupit's cool11:09
kamstrupall the cool kids are wearing em11:09
kamstrup;-P11:09
mpathykamstrup: okay it seems to be that finally it happened that I am not cool anymore :oP11:10
mpathy;)11:10
volvoguyit's a nice image. i think the photograph and nike would need to give us license to use the image though.11:10
kamstrupEven though they prolly are the coolest wallp we've got, I think we have to make it a no11:10
volvoguykamstrup, i agree.11:10
kamstrup:-( okay, a no then11:10
kamstrupNow to: http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=591&c=511:11
kamstrupwow11:11
volvoguykamstrup, if you want to send a no nonsense email to the wallpaper author, maybe he can straighten things out for us. 11:11
mpathybtw, KUbuntu has some very good artwork! perhaps also look there and modfiy?11:12
kamstrupthat's seriously teenage-ish11:12
kamstrupvolvoguy: Maybe it's a bit late... For Dapper maybe?11:12
volvoguythat's what the powerpuff girls use on their ubuntu machines. 11:12
kamstrupvolvoguy: LOL11:12
volvoguyi don't see anything wrong with it, but i don't happen to like it personally.11:13
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volvoguywe could suggest that one of the bubbles be the circle element11:14
kamstrupreally "power puff" power in that one, but I'm afraid the white background will hurt peoples eyes in the long run11:14
kamstrupI'd like to something along those lines (or modification of) for the childrens category11:15
volvoguyi don't think we need to make that call. i use all white backgrounds at times. 11:15
kamstrupok... I'm prolly just a whiner11:15
kamstrup:-)11:15
volvoguyok. it's a keeper then. 11:15
volvoguyon to abstract. 11:16
mpathyI have some which I could think of for "teenager" section11:16
volvoguysure. fire away.11:16
mpathyhttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre1/29045-1.jpg11:17
volvoguyby the way, i haven't gotten around to putting any of my SVG wallpapers on art.ubuntu.com yet either, so feel free to nominate any of those too. hint, hint. :)11:17
mpathyoh sorry thats the main link http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=2904511:17
mpathysecond one: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/files/29134-ubuntu_screen3_6.jpg11:18
volvoguycan i assume that the actual download is a wallpaper and not a screenshot?11:18
mpathyyes. there is a main link.. moment please11:19
mpathyhttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=2913411:19
mpathyand the third one:11:20
mpathyhttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=2837111:20
kamstrupvolvoguy: I bleive that you "Swirls" are nominated in the abstract category?11:20
volvoguyi'm not crazy about the first, but the second is awesome - for either teens or abstract. 11:20
kamstrupvolvoguy: ... but your "Squares" is excellent also11:20
volvoguykamstrup, oh yeah - the one our webmaster uploaded as a demo. hehe. :)11:21
volvoguympathy, i'm not crazy about number 3 either personally. 11:21
volvoguykamstrup, what do you think about mpathy's three suggestions?11:22
kamstrupAll of them are great but I have some concers about 1 and 3, but 2 is good...11:23
kamstrupexcept that I'd really like 2 to have been in a transparent format11:23
volvoguyi agree. 11:23
volvoguykamstrup, i can put in the notes to email the author to see if he has SVG's available. 11:24
mpathyi like the second, if it is not to abstract.. agree with the transparence!  whats about the first one? I think its really nice or is it to much GNU for Ubuntu? :oPP ;o)11:24
kamstrupmpathy: I think it is dangerous to start pushing other trademarks/logos than Ubuntu (and to some extent gnome)11:25
volvoguympathy, i get either a druggie or eastern religion vibe from number one (whether either is implied or not). 11:26
kamstrupvolvoguy: are you noting the stuff on 2?11:26
volvoguykamstrup, yeah... number two - teens or abstract though? 11:26
kamstrupabs11:27
volvoguyk11:27
kamstrupMoving to the Abstract category11:27
kamstrup======================11:27
volvoguygot it. 11:27
kamstrup'Ubuntu Breezy Badger-mouse' (one without the creature!): http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=2869311:27
kamstrupI don't think the words "Breezy Badger" should appear in a wallpaper11:28
volvoguylooks good to me.11:28
kamstrupFurthermore the lozenged logo has been modified. I think there are some official Canonical guidelines for this (Id really like to discuss this matter at an other point in timwe).11:29
kamstrupvolvoguy: I suspect you of modifying the lozenge logo in Squares also..? :-)11:30
volvoguyi think it's just been lengthened a bit. 11:30
volvoguykamstrup, there was no lozenge version when i did mine. 11:31
kamstrupvolvoguy: ok11:31
volvoguyhow about an "ok, but modify lozenge to conform to current specs"?11:32
kamstrupOn the wallp in question, I think the the lozenge has been shortened in height11:32
kamstruphmmmm.... what about transparency?11:32
kamstrupEspecially in the Abstract category, I rate transparency really high11:32
volvoguyit's possible, but don't know if it's necessary on everything. 11:32
kamstrupIt would be up to the voters to decide also.11:33
volvoguyit's GPL though so we can do what we want11:33
volvoguyso..... "fix lozenge and potential transparency"?11:33
kamstrupok, I OK it then... (under the above conditions)11:34
volvoguygot it. 11:34
kamstrup'Swirl': http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/311:34
volvoguynext is mine so i can't vote. 11:34
volvoguy:)11:35
kamstrupHehe11:35
kamstrupDefinitely, go.11:35
volvoguyaww... thanks. :)11:35
volvoguyi won't tell you what inspired that. 11:35
volvoguyhttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=2952611:35
kamstrupThe exact same things as for http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=28693 applies11:36
volvoguysame author as the the orange one... again, i like it. 11:37
volvoguyok. same conditions then. 11:37
kamstrupwait11:37
volvoguyyes sir? 11:37
kamstrupon http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=28693 I'd also like to remove the words "Breezy Badger"11:37
volvoguyhow about two versions? i think the "code names" make it more personable. 11:38
kamstrupYes, but "Breezy Badger" is just the name for the development version right?11:39
volvoguyand gosh, we're only talking like 3Mb of graphics so far. 11:39
volvoguyno, the release is called breezy badger. 11:39
kamstrupofficially11:39
volvoguyand/or 5.1011:39
kamstrup?11:39
volvoguyyep.11:39
volvoguywant me to go ask in #ubuntu?11:39
kamstrupI'd also like to add that 'Ubuntu Breezy Badger-mouse' and 'Basse' are remarkably alike11:40
kamstrupvolvoguy: No! Well be flooded!11:40
kamstrup:-D11:40
volvoguythey're similar to my swirls too - but it's all about personal preference. :) 11:41
volvoguyand basse doesn't have the mouse/badger thingie on it. 11:41
kamstrupIt's just because we should narrow down to three choices11:41
volvoguywhen did we make that rule? lol. 11:42
kamstrupklepas and I dictated it :D11:42
volvoguyi think it'd be better to say - let's squeeze as much as we can in X megabytes. 11:42
volvoguyi wanted to do the same with themes - stick to one theme but make as many color variations as we could get done before the release. 11:44
volvoguyit all boils down to the motto - it's all about choice. 11:44
kamstrupIf we have a fixed MB barrier high-res PNGs are going to have a rough day11:45
volvoguywe'll throw 'em at pngcrush and see what happens. 11:45
kamstrupOn my Ogmore pngcrush reduced it from 1.4MB to 1.2MB11:45
volvoguyjust for you, i added "possibly eliminate breezy badger text" for that first abstract. 11:46
kamstrup:)11:46
volvoguyshall we continue? my 15 minutes were up about a half hour ago. :)11:46
volvoguyhttp://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/2311:47
kamstruphehe... If you're up to it11:47
volvoguyi like it - again, maybe add transparency.11:47
kamstrupexactly my words.11:48
kamstrupI like how the circle of friends (cof) looks edged-in11:48
kamstrup+111:48
volvoguyyeah. we can do that with an alpha transparent png or SVG, so it's all good. 11:49
volvoguyhttp://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=2956711:49
volvoguyjust looking at the thumbnails, i really like 'em. again, maybe add transparency. 11:49
kamstrupThese are actually very much along the lines of how I imagined the Ubuntu Elements calendar :-D11:50
kamstrupYeah, but they're SVGs so that would be easy.11:50
volvoguywell, there's already three, perhaps we can talk the author into making three more. :)11:50
kamstrupvolvoguy: that's an idea11:51
volvoguyi'll note it. 11:51
volvoguyhttp://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=2112511:51
volvoguyi like it. logo may need an outline to make it pop a bit more. 11:52
kamstrupThere's nothing really to complain about except the usual transparency.11:53
kamstrupOne thing we have forgotten...11:53
volvoguytextured background might make that slightly more difficult on this one. 11:53
volvoguywhat's that?11:53
kamstrupHow and if we should enforce the Ubuntu palette11:53
kamstrupThat would make transparency a _requirement_ for most wallps11:54
volvoguyfor a universe artwork package? i'd say it doesn't matter. for calendar images, it should be enforced. 11:54
volvoguywell, we can't ship transparent background images with a default background color. 11:54
kamstrupWhat about long term? If we stand a chance for main inclusion in Dapper11:54
kamstrupvolvoguy: I'm not so sure about that.11:55
volvoguyi don't know how you'd do that. if a background color is specified, it's not transparent. 11:55
kamstrupThe wallpaper dialog has a per-wp background set11:55
kamstrupit has to store that info somewhere11:56
kamstrupperhaps there is a global place for this11:56
volvoguybut the SVG file can't tell the wallpaper dialog to use a particular color set. 11:56
kamstrupNo but a .deb could (maybe)11:56
volvoguytrust me, i've researched it. the best i came up with is including a readme with the SVG file in a tgz file with some suggested background colors. 11:57
volvoguyyou're free to pick the brains of the devs in their channel at a later date though. :)11:58
kamstrupI'll look into it, in the early phases for Dapper.11:58
kamstrupMaybe we could patch gnome-background-properties11:59
volvoguyback to color palette.... if a universe background gets promoted to main for a future release, we could then just require that they adjust the colors to conform to the palette. 11:59
kamstrupYeah.12:00
volvoguya small price to pay to have your artwork on thousands of desktops. 12:00
volvoguyok. are we ready to move into the "realistic" category? 12:00
kamstrupI think we should postpone this discussion for Dapper. But we should reach a conclusion on put it on the wiki.12:00
volvoguyi think it already says somewhere that artwork to be considered for inclusion in main must conform to the official palette. 12:01
kamstrupAbout: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=21125, there's no real complaints from me although it doesn't rock my world12:01
volvoguyi could be wrong, but i think i wrote it. :)12:02
volvoguyok. 12:02
kamstrupvolvoguy: It is mentioned but I think it's in an icon-context12:02
volvoguyhttp://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=615&c=512:02
volvoguykamstrup, you're probably right.12:02
volvoguyi like, but the logo is blurry. 12:03
kamstrupI noticed that too12:03
kamstrupgood composition12:03
volvoguylooks like jpg artifacts. might be fixed by a simple re-export if the author still has the layered gimp file. 12:04
kamstrupI still think that we should narrow each category down to three or four choices.12:05
volvoguywell, since it's just the two of us doing this right now, let's finish the list and feed it to the mailing list and see what input they give. 12:06
kamstrupGive this +1 under the condition that the logo is fixed12:06
volvoguygot it. 12:06
volvoguyhttp://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=264&c=512:06
volvoguyalso remember that this list is only Pascal's initial picks. we may add and delete a lot before we actually get to a final vote stage. 12:08
volvoguyi think this last one is beauty-full. 12:08
kamstrupYes, nice composition again.12:08
kamstrupThe out-of-focus thing still hurts my eyes (literally) though12:09
kamstrupThe reason that I'm whining so much about the out of focus is that I feel actual pain in my eyes when I look at it.12:10
volvoguyyou can just use a different one then. :) i almost always  go for the out of focus ones so i can see my desktop icons better. 12:10
kamstrupI just fear that I'm not the only one in the world with this problem.12:10
kamstrupAs I mentioned before; Im more into low-contrast12:11
kamstrupgives the same sort of icon visibility12:11
volvoguyand i'm not the only one without it. :) and acoustic guitar apparently hurts my brothers ears, but loud rap music doesn't. it's all personal preference. 12:11
kamstrupyeah, anyways, +1 from me.12:12
volvoguy:)12:12
volvoguyhttp://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=871&c=512:12
volvoguyinteresting. 12:12
kamstrupwait...12:13
volvoguyyes?12:13
kamstrupIt is not the real ubuntu font in the afforementined wp12:13
kamstrupOn http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=871&c=5 ; Really nice. Is the ubuntu logo blurred, or is it just because the main image is friggin sharp ;-P12:14
volvoguyjudging by the date of the first comment, probably not. that font has only been released recently (and only in breezy unless snatched from someone elses machine)12:14
kamstrupvolvoguy: Then I'd say +1 under the cond. that the font is fixed12:15
volvoguynoted. 12:16
volvoguyi'd say the logo on the last one is a bit to antialiased. 12:16
volvoguy*and* the image is particularly sharp. 12:17
volvoguydon't female mantis eat the males after they mate? is that really the message we want to send to the community? lol. 12:17
kamstrupThink of the kids! SOmeone think of the children!12:18
volvoguyit's a cool image, but i'm undecided about it's use as a wallpaper. 12:18
kamstrupCSetting the mantis as my actual background tells me that the logo will have to be sharper. It looks a bit unprofessional to be atm.12:19
volvoguy"mommy, where is daddy?"12:19
kamstruplol12:19
volvoguyi think i have to vote no.12:19
kamstrupwhy12:19
volvoguyyou answered your own question. :)12:20
volvoguywhy? 12:20
volvoguyit's not really abstract. 12:20
kamstrupthe logo or the man-eater thing?12:20
kamstrupOh, but we are in the realism category12:20
volvoguyit's not a neutral landscape image. 12:20
volvoguyit's a big bug. 12:21
kamstrupThinking about it, a mantis is actually sending a message...12:21
kamstrupa negative one.12:21
kamstrupWe can't have bugs in Breezy12:21
kamstrupall in all -1 from me12:21
mpathyback again!12:22
volvoguythat's a good reason too. i'll note that. :)12:22
kamstrupwelcome back to the flip side mpathy 12:22
kamstrupOn to http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=372&c=512:23
mpathymy boss has his birthday so I am full with secco right now and in a funny mood ;)12:23
volvoguyi'm going to be up all night. i can tell already. 12:23
volvoguydon't like the tagline in that one. 12:24
mpathykamstrup: what with this? I dont see the sense of the subtitle12:24
kamstrupthe logo is un-antialised12:24
volvoguynot particularly fond of the photograph either. 12:24
kamstrupThere's also a political message in it.12:24
kamstrupWe can't go with it12:24
kamstrup-112:24
volvoguyhttp://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=527&c=512:25
mpathyperhaps I retouch this pic to a badger, but I fear I get spam from animal experts ;)12:26
mpathyhttp://linuxart.com/photos/03jul12-zoo,_africa/1620/0712-104718.jpg12:26
volvoguymy favorite flower. 12:26
volvoguyi'm all over this one. it could possibly use the "linux for human beings" tagline, but not necessary. 12:27
volvoguympathy, is that a badger? it looks like a meerkat. 12:28
kamstrupvolvoguy: The image is good, but has a lot of stuff catching your eye in it, +112:28
mpathyvolvoguy: no its not, I said I want to retoch it but I fear I get in trouble with people ;)12:29
kamstrupSetting the images as wallpapers really helps me...12:29
volvoguykamstrup, yeah - a little busy, but pretty. i'll note that. 12:29
kamstrupJust right-click from Firef.12:29
mpathydid you now that the german army has a tank who is also called badger? perhaps we can add a "I love the NRA" section ;)12:29
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volvoguympathy, gotcha. gotta make sure you use open source type images. :)12:30
volvoguyhttp://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/1612:31
volvoguyi like. 12:32
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volvoguyi think it's the first "subtle" image we've seen. 12:32
kamstrupI like it too. The image itself is better than the sun flower if you ask me, but the transparent logo is not exactly my cup of tea12:33
kamstrupAlso the logo is a bit crammed into the right...12:34
volvoguythe logo could be a bit darker, but i think it works. it keeps the flowers looking delicate. 12:34
kamstrupright12:34
kamstrupThe out-of-focus works good in this image actually ;-)12:35
volvoguy:-)12:35
kamstrupI think it's because there are no visible shapes in it12:35
kamstrupMy eye does not try to focus the non-focusable12:35
kamstrup:-D12:35
volvoguyby the way, the yellow flower wasn't a sunflower. :)12:36
volvoguythis is probably local slang for it, but around here it's called a "black-eyed susan". it's in the daisy family. 12:37
volvoguyi had a HUGE sunflower crop this year. i have hundreds of images that i still need to go through to see if anything is wallpaper material. 12:38
volvoguyanyway - http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=838&c=512:38
volvoguyhaha12:38
volvoguy"badgers? we don't need no stinking badgers."12:39
kamstrupafk 2s12:39
volvoguyi need a beverage break. brb. 12:40
mpathyvolvoguy: ..I surely would ask Mr. LeSage before (as mentioned in the to do list)12:40
volvoguympathy, good, good. :)12:40
kamstrupback12:41
kamstrupdamn it-s hard to hit ctrl-alt-left with one hand only!12:41
mpathyuse the ctrl and the alt on the right side *gg*12:42
kamstrupAbout: http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=838&c=5 then count me -112:42
kamstrupmpathy: I tried but I have Alt Gr on the right side12:43
kamstrupdoesn't work as alt12:43
mpathyoh okay.. my joke doesnt work :)12:43
volvoguyback. 12:43
kamstrupget back...12:44
kamstrupget back...12:44
volvoguyi agree kamstrup. good in concept i think, but the image just didn't turn out. 12:44
kamstrupget back to where you once belong'12:44
volvoguyi belong in bed. or doing my bills. neither one is getting done tonight. :-P12:44
kamstruphehe12:44
kamstrupMy masters isn't exactly writing itself either12:44
volvoguyi wish i could be writing a masters. 12:45
kamstrupwhy can't you12:45
kamstrup?12:45
volvoguyi'm on workers comp/disability from an injury at work. you're not allowed to make money or educate yourself while you're trying to get fixed. a stupid law if you ask me. 12:46
volvoguyluckily for me and the open source world, there's no money involved. :) 12:47
volvoguyand i got a free laptop for being on the laptop testing team. 12:47
volvoguyok. should we go through the "others" section or call it a night? 12:47
kamstrupvolvoguy: oh damn 12:47
kamstrupI'd humbly like to suggest my Ogmore image for the realism cat.12:48
volvoguyi vote no. 12:48
volvoguyjust kidding.12:48
volvoguywhat's the link. 12:48
kamstruphttp://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/Ubuntu-Ogmore_1024x768.jpg12:49
kamstrupor just http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/5212:49
kamstrupmainly because it's a transparent photography12:49
volvoguyoh yeah. totally. my only suggestion might be a bigger logo, with perhaps some transparency to the logo. 12:50
volvoguyif that makes sense. 12:51
volvoguymy pain meds are wearing off so now it's the pain talking instead of the drugs. 12:51
kamstrupI tried with a transparent logo, but it looked kinda strange with some bg colors12:52
volvoguyunderstandable. 12:52
volvoguyit's fine the way it is then. 12:52
volvoguyit's on the list. 12:52
volvoguyhow about i show off mine and we call it a night for tonight? 12:53
kamstrupk12:53
volvoguyhttp://www.volvoguy.net/ubuntu/12:53
kamstrup(it's mid-day here in Denmark)12:53
volvoguykeep in mind - all SVG, all transparent backgrounds. 12:53
volvoguymost are pretty minimalistic, 'cause that's just the way i am. 12:55
kamstrupthat's the way I like it (aha aha)12:55
volvoguynear the bottom it's hard to tell, but most have either some sort of shadow or emboss effect. 12:55
volvoguymy fav is probably the one with the larger earth near the bottom.12:56
volvoguyand the snowflakes (man, was that a task), but that's seasonal, so it probably doesn't belong. 12:57
kamstrupYes it caught my eye too12:57
kamstrupThe ones where the COF is enclosing the earth can feel bit too "World domination"-like12:58
kamstrupMy favorites are definitely Swirl and then Squares12:58
volvoguyi actually traced all those snowflakes by hand from some scientific research done in the 1920's. 12:58
kamstrupThe glossy loges at the bottom are great, but maybe a bit too minimalistic. Id like to see them with a bit more composition12:59
volvoguycomposition as in... on top of a photo? 01:00
volvoguyor just placed differently on the screen? 01:01
volvoguykeep in mind that some of these were created before the first release of Ubuntu. :o)01:01
kamstrupI'm not thinking of anything particularly. My brain just needs some shapes in the image. Be it swirls, squares, triangles, photos...01:02
volvoguyok. gotcha. 01:02
volvoguyso i'll add the squares to the list. 01:02
volvoguyhow about the earth with the smaller COF? 01:02
kamstrupPerhaps the guy with the three svgs we reviewed can use your snowflakes for a winter image?01:03
volvoguyahh. yes. i'll note that. 01:03
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kamstrup...01:04
kamstrupI think I would have moved the COF off center01:04
kamstrupUp to the right01:05
volvoguythat's always a tough decision when dealing with a asymmetrical graphic like the earth. 01:05
kamstrupSo that it intersects the globes circumference01:05
kamstrupnot usre though, looks great anyway01:05
volvoguybelieve it or not, everything is centered absolutely right now. 01:05
volvoguywell, since I kept the "no's" on the list, i'll put that earth image on the list as a maybe and see what happens. how's that? 01:06
kamstrupyeah. ok01:07
volvoguycategory? abstract? 01:07
kamstrupabs i guess01:07
volvoguywhat was that? 01:08
kamstrupvolvoguy: I'm trying to send you the blue-eart-logo-small changes I'm speaking of01:08
volvoguykamstrup, try again. it was pointing to a non-existant directory. 01:09
kamstrupyeehaw01:09
volvoguyooooh. i see. 01:10
kamstrupbut ofcourse it's a matter of personal taste01:10
volvoguyyeah. i'd have to stare at it a while. :)01:10
volvoguynot bad though. 01:10
kamstrupThat's the great thing about svg.01:11
kamstrupIt's so easy to work with in this way01:11
volvoguyi know. i love it. 01:11
volvoguywhew. 01:12
volvoguyok. i need to do something that is not this for a while. 01:13
volvoguyi'll email my notes to the mailing list.01:13
volvoguykamstrup, thanks for being so proactive with all this recently. we needed a kick in the butt. 01:14
kamstrupNP. At some point in the not-so-distant future we need a clear cut development policy for Dapper. But that is better left for after 13th of Oct.01:14
kamstrupWill you contact the guy with the three SVGs?01:15
volvoguyyes. we'll probably be passing the torch of art team lead, even if it's only temporarily, because at some point during dapper drake i'll be having surgery and will disapper completely. 01:16
volvoguyyeah. i can contact him. 01:16
volvoguyjust as a "maybe" for now until we get some feedback from everyone else though. 01:16
kamstrupofcourse01:18
volvoguyand on that note, i bid you all a good evening/morning. :) at any rate i'll talk to you later. bye for now. 01:18
kamstrupcheers!01:18
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kamstrupwell, Ill get on with RL then ;-P Cheers01:29
mpathyback again01:50
mpathycurrent state?01:51
klepas|afksame01:59
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klepasmpathy: check the mailings, Aaron has posted the edits we've done. :)02:03
mpathylost the link to the mockup of the GDM which I should try to bring to life..02:12
mpathysomebody remember02:12
klepasyea02:21
klepashttp://img195.imageshack.us/img195/473/ubuntulogin019io.png02:22
klepasthere you go :)02:22
klepasi'll be out for a wee while longer02:22
klepasbut i definitely will be back02:22
klepascheers02:22
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mpathyklepas|afk: do you know the person who made that?03:29
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lllmanulllHey there, what's the ubuntu font package again ?03:34
klepas|afksorry, can't remember03:42
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mpathyklepas|afk: you said it to me but I can't remember where or when (or if *g*)03:42
klepasthe font package?03:43
klepasor the GDM mockup?03:43
lllmanulllNevermind, I found the font .ttf file on the wiki :)03:43
lllmanulllThanks03:43
mpathybut it shouldnt be this difficult if I can get the single parts of it - if I get them today I make it till tomorrow *g*03:43
mpathyklepas: the mockup03:43
klepashttp://img195.imageshack.us/img195/473/ubuntulogin019io.png03:44
mpathyklepas: no I mean, the buttons etc. they should be a own transparent png03:45
klepasi can get you the author of the GDM03:45
klepas[mockup] 03:45
klepashttp://www.livejournal.com/users/bmgz/03:45
klepasi don't personally know where to get the individual files for it03:46
mpathyokay..03:46
mpathyif I have the parts I could do it in one day.. otherwise I had to build it similar, not 100% the same03:47
klepasyea, i know03:47
klepassee if you can contact bmgz03:47
klepason it already03:52
klepas:)03:52
mpathyi didnt find a mail adress but I send a comment03:52
klepassame03:52
klepasNaja, shau mal da!03:53
klepasI didn't know you're German too. :o)03:53
mpathybin ich ;)03:55
klepasIch lebe in Australien seit 8 jahre.03:55
klepasKomm aus Mainz03:56
mpathyI found a hint.. He said that he send his mockup to the ubuntu-artwork mailing list so it should be there..03:56
mpathyIch komme aus der Umgebung von Stuttgart.03:56
mpathyI live exactly between the GUADEC 2005 and the aKademy 2004 ;)03:57
klepasGeil.03:58
klepasthe email in particular is called:03:58
klepas"[ubuntu-art]  Mock-up question"03:58
klepaswait03:59
klepasthat's Henrik's comments on the mockup submission03:59
klepassorry03:59
mpathyokay.. nice that you look because I am not so organized on my office mac..03:59
klepasSearch for "bmgz"03:59
klepashe uses the same sender name04:00
klepasnick name04:00
klepasnup04:00
klepasno files from him04:01
klepasjust 2 mockups04:01
klepasfullscreen GNOME splash04:01
klepasand the GDM theme mockup04:01
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newz2000Howdy folks.04:09
mpathyklepas: wrote him a mail..04:09
klepas:)04:09
klepasMoin04:09
newz2000howdy04:10
klepasmpathy: thanks mate04:10
mpathyklepas: the mockup with the fullscreen splash seems to be tricky, but we should definitely send canonical a like how they like it and if someone can write a patch (what I believe is needed for sth like that)04:11
klepasgood idea04:11
klepasalright, _completely_ off topic: http://www.go-quiz.com/subculture/subculture-test.php04:12
klepaswhat the hell...?04:12
klepasworst web page i've seen all week04:12
mpathyhope, at least for "drapper drake" I could offer more than just ideas *sigh* ;)04:12
klepasyea04:14
klepasI think the art community will have their big chance with Dapper04:14
klepasI think we should stick something like this over all ubuntu artwork related webpages: http://wombat.nuxified.com/files/wip.jpg04:15
klepas;-P04:17
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mpathyback again04:32
klepasI might go04:37
klepasreally sleepy04:38
klepasgood luck with the GDM mate04:38
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klepasnight guys04:39
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mpathythx05:00
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nicholaspaulgood morning everyone. 06:05
newz2000I'm about to upload Vijay's background pictures to Flickr... any tips for making this work smoothly?06:22
newz2000Should I mark them as public?06:22
nicholaspaulive never used it , sorry. 06:25
newz2000no prob. This is my first time too, but volvo guy suggested flickr as an upload area. We'll see how it works.06:25
nicholaspaullet us know how it goes06:31
newz2000It works smooth. The only trick is that "tags" are not text messages but potential search terms. THere's an optional description field you see after upload, which is a little confusing.06:36
newz2000oh. Flickr resized the images to 1024px wide max. :-(06:38
newz2000Anyone here use the art.ubuntu website yet?06:39
lllmanulllHuh, yup06:41
newz2000do the images, once approved or whatever get moved to the aup site for long-term storage, or do they have to permanantly resized somewhere else?06:42
lllmanulllHmm, seems they do get transferred06:44
newz2000ok. That's good.06:44
lllmanulllYou can tell by trying to download a wallpaper and see where it comes from06:44
newz2000Ah.06:44
lllmanulll(Seems to come from art.ubuntu.com)06:44
newz2000Here, check these out: http://www.bearfruit.org/images/VijayKishan/06:44
lllmanulllLooks great06:47
newz2000ok, gotta work. ttl.06:56
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nicholaspaul    anyone panicking yet?09:00
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