=== miketech [n=miketech@dsl-084-056-235-255.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:46] moin [01:48] Could we during the course of the day come together and become a sort of quorum to decide on the items from that list I compiled? [01:54] Hullo.... [02:34] !gaim [02:35] ack === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Cheerio!"] === newz2000 [n=Matthew@12-226-91-204.client.mchsi.com] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === kamstrup [n=kamstrup@0x3e42da90.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [09:18] Anyone awake? === kafeine [n=kori@83.228.103.38] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [09:32] yeay! I'm awake! [09:32] Anyone awake now... [09:32] finally. [09:32] Moin [09:32] You woke me up! :-D [09:32] good [09:32] :-P [09:33] have you been following the mailing lists? [09:33] Yes... [09:35] had a look at that list? [09:35] that was compiled [09:35] yes [09:36] we need to vote on it [09:37] did you see the latest mail from Jeff Waugh? [09:37] checking [09:39] alrighty [09:39] Wow! Have you seen: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/ [09:39] well my idea then would be to cut down that list [09:39] yep [09:40] yes... it'd be really nice to have volvoguy or Andrew around when doing this [09:41] But are we focusing solely on calendar images now (considering jdubs mail) [09:41] No [09:42] I say we ought to cut down that list of possible candidates to 3 [09:42] for each category [09:42] sounds sane [09:42] we can do the calender stuff at the same time [09:43] But how do we weed out? [09:44] Well, for example [09:44] Maybe we should just do it, and then direct complaints to /dev/null [09:44] lol [09:44] ... seriously [09:44] :-) [09:44] "Now we do the children's category, open the stuff listed in the list and choose three" [09:45] then we come to mutually agree [09:45] voila [09:45] next bit [09:45] Ok. I guess we should warn the ML. Give it 15 minutes and then just get to it... [09:46] alrighty [09:46] could you write the mail [09:47] Yep. I'm on it === kamstrup typing away [09:47] I need to be away for 24-30 minutes [09:47] pretty please with cherries ontop? ;-) [09:48] Cheers. === klepas is now known as klepas|afk === kamstrup has notified the mailing list. === kamstrup notes that it was 10:00 local time (Denmark) === volvoguy [n=volvoguy@pcp09060059pcs.rocsth01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [10:08] hey all. i have a million things going on at once, so i'm only about a third here.... but i wanted to be around, especially considering jeff's last email. [10:09] ... and considering /my/ last mail (send ~5 min ago)... [10:09] ;-P [10:09] well yes... you're the one that got me in here. :o) [10:09] Super [10:09] ! [10:09] is Pascal in here too? [10:10] i can never remember everyone's nicks. [10:10] He'll be back soon (that's what he said atleast) [10:10] i got the impression from jeff's email that today is not necessarily the deadline for the wallpapers. [10:11] it struck me too [10:11] But then what would "Artwork Deadline" mean? [10:11] if that's the case, it might be nice to go through pascal's list and contact the artists, see if they'll post their stuff on art.ubuntu.com, and then figure out a good way to vote. [10:12] yea, but we really need to narrow the list down before any voting... [10:12] kamstrup, originally the canonical administrative people had much more lofty goals for our team and the breezy release. unrealistic goals in my opinion. === mpathy [n=mpathy@ACB50C0C.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [10:13] he, yeah, but Dapper will have so much art you will get paint on you fingers if you touch the screen! [10:13] cheers mpathy [10:14] well, if we can pick six, i don't think it's unreasonable to have 12-18 wallpapers in the pool to vote on. top six entries with the most votes get the nominiations. [10:14] hi kamstrup [10:14] yes.. quality not quantity [10:14] For the calendars yes, but I still think we might as well pick "ordinary" wallpapers as well [10:16] kamstrup, perhaps ogra_ can comment on that. since there will be an artwork repository online, i don't know if a "we liked these wallpapers" package in universe is really necessary. [10:16] that's just my opinion though. [10:18] You know what'd be really cool volvoguy? [10:18] if we find out we have another week or two, we also might want to allow for voting on a wallpaper theme - and see if an artist with lots of votes could make all six. [10:18] kamstrup, what's that? [10:19] If the art-manager-thing was integrated into gnome-app-install [10:20] kamstrup, i'm confident that we'll have something like gnome-art by dapper duck. it's already being talked about on the wiki as a goal for that relase. [10:20] - might give problems with root/user priv's though (if it's integrated into gnome-app-install) [10:20] i'd honestly like to see it separate from the application installation program. [10:21] thinking more about this... you're right [10:21] kamstrup, have you tried gnome-art? [10:21] not yet [10:21] I've tried the kde sister though [10:21] That was not a good experience :-S [10:21] miketech is it's author and he's usually hanging around in here. he's already working on tying it in to art.ubuntu.com. [10:21] it works really well. [10:23] if you're into theming in the windows world, it's much like the wincustomize browser. preview, download and install artwork right from the app. [10:24] oh, I've not really used windos since '98 [10:24] is anyone here really into the launchpad stuff yet? i think they might have voting/poll capabilities. [10:25] kamstrup, lucky you! i still can't quite get by with the gimp, so i'm stuck with windows mostly for the Adobe Creative Suite. === ..[topic/#ubuntu-artwork:kamstrup] : Artwork deadline is TODAY! Don't panic... p-pa pa paniiic aaaaaargh! === klepas|afk is now known as klepas [10:27] keep up with yer talking. i need to pop over to #ubuntu for a minute and then disappear from the computer for a few minutes. I will be back though. :o) [10:27] back [10:27] cheers, volvoguy and mpathy droppped by while you where away [10:27] yea [10:28] just read the stuff [10:28] I think we should start when volvoguy gets back [10:28] yea [10:28] problem is mum wants me to usher at the street theatre tonight === volvoguy will be a floater. you can probably start talking. [10:28] in 15 minutes [10:28] i just medicated so i might be out in 15 minutes. [10:28] we need to quick then ;-P [10:29] So, you guys can either go aead, or we can delay this till later [10:29] Your call, I'm easy going. :) [10:29] i can delay my non-computer stuff 15 minutes. fire away. [10:29] alrgihty [10:30] start with the children's category? [10:30] Aya [10:30] volvoguy: you've got klepas' list in front of you? [10:31] mpathy: are you here? [10:31] yes, yes i do. [10:31] goodie [10:31] somewhere. [10:31] open all the stuff from the children's section [10:32] set? [10:33] i'm ready [10:33] alrgihty [10:33] i think we can eliminate the 'ubuntu-tan' one [10:33] although it's really cute and cool, it's a language dependant one [10:34] kamstrup: not the whole time, I am at work & in danger ;) [10:34] ok. kids all loaded. [10:34] mpathy: living life in the fast lane eh? [10:34] anyone else agree about the 'Ubuntu-tan' one? [10:35] on Ubuntu-tan: Quality work, but has text in it (I don't know what it says) [10:35] ubuntu-tan is definitely not for children. [10:35] kamstrup: hehe.. there are higher goals than a job *ggg* [10:35] -- it might also be offensive to somebody [10:35] Agreed [10:35] scratch Ubuntu-tan then? [10:35] so that's out. [10:35] Yes. [10:36] wait. let's clarify something. are we discussing calendar art now or a potential universe package? [10:36] oh :-D [10:36] I think it's non-calendar...? [10:36] ye. === lukacu [n=lukacu@cpe-212-18-59-221.dynamic.amis.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [10:37] Shall we do the calender stuff afterwards? [10:37] if it's non-calendar, and we want a "grown ups" category, "ubuntu-tan" might fit there. [10:37] LOl. [10:37] or maybe "anime land". [10:37] heh [10:37] well what we take out now could still go elsewhere [10:37] like into "others" [10:38] but anyway [10:38] certainly [10:38] for the children's category [10:38] does anyone know what the character is saying in the text bubble? [10:38] that leaves 3 left [10:38] leaves 4, sorry [10:38] http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/44 - I think this is splendid [10:39] i second that. "childs play" would be great for a kids section. [10:39] okay [10:39] (who's taking notes?) [10:40] I can [10:40] well only until i go [10:40] klepas, thanks. :) [10:40] ok [10:40] which is 10 minutes @ max more :( === klepas is ushering at the street theatre [10:40] http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/28 [10:40] keep that as well? [10:41] i like it, reminds me of "The Lion King", the kids' movie [10:41] Well... not really child-like [10:41] i like that one, but i might ask the artist to modify the logo part of it. [10:41] it's GPL [10:41] it currently breaks the trademark rules. [10:42] yep [10:42] on child's play: I'm planning to add an official logo and optimize the vertex count... [10:42] probably not enough to piss anyone off, but it breaks consistency. [10:42] agreed [10:42] actually [10:42] consistency is really important [10:42] could one of you guys keep notes? [10:42] ubuntulog is logging the conversation [10:43] but I'm taking notes too... [10:43] just edit 'the-list-v1.txt', and make a v2 out of it [10:43] then post it later [10:43] for the ML [10:43] and i need to go [10:43] :( :( [10:44] we'll fill you in later klepas. [10:44] alrighty [10:44] we'll just go through the list and make comments. [10:44] i'll stay in the channel [10:44] ok. [10:45] kamstrup, art.ubuntu.com doesn't show the artists name by default, does it? [10:45] keep going! [10:45] klepas, we will. :) [10:45] click on their username [10:45] klepas, oh, i see it. [10:45] it will show you their real name (if they added it) and their email [10:46] i'm an admin there, so i'm sure i could find it eventually. i just missed it at first glance. [10:46] How about http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=23218 [10:46] i don't have a problem with that one. [10:47] Seems okay. It doesn't say "Ubuntu" but the circle of friends is there... [10:47] I dislike out-of-focus stuff like the plants in the foreground... but that's just me [10:48] yeah. acceptible for a non-calendar wallpaper. [10:48] check [10:48] http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/50 [10:48] i think a lot of people do that on purpose so icons are easier to see on the desktop. [10:49] Im sort of a low-contrast man instead of an out-of-focus man :-P [10:49] gotcha. :) [10:49] http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/50 [10:49] *sigh* [10:49] ? [10:50] i think we should wait until he makes his SVG versions available. [10:50] It has really friendly eyes that badger [10:50] it is @ 1600x1200 [10:50] the illustration is good, but the colors just make me cringe. [10:51] so it can be resized to smaller versions [10:51] i like it personally [10:51] :) [10:51] more than http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=23218 [10:51] SVG not for resolution issues, but for a transparent background so users can change the color. [10:51] true [10:51] mmh [10:52] he said he'll release the SVG version [10:52] I think we should "okay" on the condition that the artist provide a transparent version ( be it svg or png) [10:52] i'll check if he submitted it to the wallpapers [10:52] klepas, yes he did. that's why i'm not saying no outright. [10:53] not in the incoming wallpapers list [10:53] and i need to really go now [10:53] Cheers guys [10:53] remember to post what you've edited and noted on the ML [10:53] later klepas. have a good time. :) === klepas is now known as klepas|afk [10:54] ok. is that it for the kids? [10:54] ok lets move on [10:55] Teenage/cool. [10:55] 'Ubuntu': http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=302&c=5 [10:55] actually, if we can find it, there was another on ubuntuforms that i really liked for kids. [10:55] it was another badger, some in front of a fan, some jumping out of a plane... very good illustrations. [10:55] If you go dig for it, I'll ready some links for you [10:55] sound familiar? [10:56] Yes, but that wasn't wallpapers was it? [10:56] i'll find it later on my own time. [10:56] k [10:56] no, but i'm sure we could make it a wallpaper. :) [10:57] http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=302&c=5 : okay I guess. Not exceptionally cool though [10:57] i really like that one for the teenagers [http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=302&c=5] . It's simple, consistent with everything else. I like it. [10:57] and yes i should be gone... just putting on shoes... :-P [10:57] gimme a sec while you're loading up the next batch. i started my own text file for notes but i think i'm going to mark up Pascal's text file instead. [10:57] go for it [10:57] http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22500 [10:57] as long as you post all the extra notes on the ML [10:58] i will. [10:58] :o) [10:58] i just have a million windows open and firefox's memory leaks are rearing their ugly head. [10:59] http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22500 - is cool, but not in consistency with the logo and the logo text [10:59] and is not an SVG [10:59] http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22500: The overlay logo hurts my eyes... This does not comply with official logo [10:59] no go [10:59] but large enough anyway (1600x1200) [10:59] no go [10:59] agreed [10:59] scratch that one then [11:00] someone read the mail from jeff? wouldnt it be better to talk about the calendar first? just asking :) [11:00] the glasses? [11:00] http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/1 [11:00] ohhh... the glasses [11:01] mpathy: we're finally getting something done, let's keep doing it :-) [11:01] Are they fully CG? [11:01] mpathy: we said to do the calender afterwards [11:01] and I'm out [11:01] ciao!! [11:01] cheers [11:01] okay ;) [11:02] ok. i'm caught up to the end of the kids section. did i miss the whole teens section? [11:03] http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=302&c=5 [11:03] absolutely beautiful. [11:03] btw, someone mentioned on the lug meeting yesterday: "wallpaper, teenager section? uhm.. does that means we get some naked babes again?" ;) [11:04] http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=302&c=5 got accepted [11:04] lol. i'm sure canonical has lots of comps that didn't get used. [11:04] ... in the teenagers category [11:05] http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22500 [11:05] I'm trying to dig out the "true" license on those sun glasses [11:05] i don't like. [11:05] logo trademark issues. [11:05] volvoguy: me too.. the wrong font and the logo is also modified.. a no-no [11:06] http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/1 [11:07] has anyone emailed the author to see where he got the glasses image? [11:07] If the glasses are not CG, then they wont do. We can't have a picture of an iPod either can we? [11:08] http://sxc.hu/browse.phtml?f=view&id=258771 [11:08] i dunno. are those a particular brand of sunglasses? [11:08] Nike [11:09] the logo got digitally removed [11:09] personally I dont like the glasses also.. whats the connection between ubuntu and glasses? [11:09] ah ha. [11:09] it's cool [11:09] all the cool kids are wearing em [11:09] ;-P [11:10] kamstrup: okay it seems to be that finally it happened that I am not cool anymore :oP [11:10] ;) [11:10] it's a nice image. i think the photograph and nike would need to give us license to use the image though. [11:10] Even though they prolly are the coolest wallp we've got, I think we have to make it a no [11:10] kamstrup, i agree. [11:10] :-( okay, a no then [11:11] Now to: http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=591&c=5 [11:11] wow [11:11] kamstrup, if you want to send a no nonsense email to the wallpaper author, maybe he can straighten things out for us. [11:12] btw, KUbuntu has some very good artwork! perhaps also look there and modfiy? [11:12] that's seriously teenage-ish [11:12] volvoguy: Maybe it's a bit late... For Dapper maybe? [11:12] that's what the powerpuff girls use on their ubuntu machines. [11:12] volvoguy: LOL [11:13] i don't see anything wrong with it, but i don't happen to like it personally. === kamstrup is pondering [11:14] we could suggest that one of the bubbles be the circle element [11:14] really "power puff" power in that one, but I'm afraid the white background will hurt peoples eyes in the long run [11:15] I'd like to something along those lines (or modification of) for the childrens category [11:15] i don't think we need to make that call. i use all white backgrounds at times. [11:15] ok... I'm prolly just a whiner [11:15] :-) [11:15] ok. it's a keeper then. [11:16] on to abstract. [11:16] I have some which I could think of for "teenager" section [11:16] sure. fire away. [11:17] http://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre1/29045-1.jpg [11:17] by the way, i haven't gotten around to putting any of my SVG wallpapers on art.ubuntu.com yet either, so feel free to nominate any of those too. hint, hint. :) [11:17] oh sorry thats the main link http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=29045 [11:18] second one: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/files/29134-ubuntu_screen3_6.jpg [11:18] can i assume that the actual download is a wallpaper and not a screenshot? [11:19] yes. there is a main link.. moment please [11:19] http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=29134 [11:20] and the third one: [11:20] http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=28371 [11:20] volvoguy: I bleive that you "Swirls" are nominated in the abstract category? [11:20] i'm not crazy about the first, but the second is awesome - for either teens or abstract. [11:20] volvoguy: ... but your "Squares" is excellent also [11:21] kamstrup, oh yeah - the one our webmaster uploaded as a demo. hehe. :) [11:21] mpathy, i'm not crazy about number 3 either personally. [11:22] kamstrup, what do you think about mpathy's three suggestions? [11:23] All of them are great but I have some concers about 1 and 3, but 2 is good... [11:23] except that I'd really like 2 to have been in a transparent format [11:23] i agree. [11:24] kamstrup, i can put in the notes to email the author to see if he has SVG's available. [11:24] i like the second, if it is not to abstract.. agree with the transparence! whats about the first one? I think its really nice or is it to much GNU for Ubuntu? :oPP ;o) [11:25] mpathy: I think it is dangerous to start pushing other trademarks/logos than Ubuntu (and to some extent gnome) [11:26] mpathy, i get either a druggie or eastern religion vibe from number one (whether either is implied or not). [11:26] volvoguy: are you noting the stuff on 2? [11:26] kamstrup, yeah... number two - teens or abstract though? [11:27] abs [11:27] k [11:27] Moving to the Abstract category [11:27] ====================== [11:27] got it. [11:27] 'Ubuntu Breezy Badger-mouse' (one without the creature!): http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=28693 [11:28] I don't think the words "Breezy Badger" should appear in a wallpaper [11:28] looks good to me. [11:29] Furthermore the lozenged logo has been modified. I think there are some official Canonical guidelines for this (Id really like to discuss this matter at an other point in timwe). [11:30] volvoguy: I suspect you of modifying the lozenge logo in Squares also..? :-) [11:30] i think it's just been lengthened a bit. [11:31] kamstrup, there was no lozenge version when i did mine. [11:31] volvoguy: ok [11:32] how about an "ok, but modify lozenge to conform to current specs"? [11:32] On the wallp in question, I think the the lozenge has been shortened in height [11:32] hmmmm.... what about transparency? [11:32] Especially in the Abstract category, I rate transparency really high [11:32] it's possible, but don't know if it's necessary on everything. [11:33] It would be up to the voters to decide also. [11:33] it's GPL though so we can do what we want [11:33] so..... "fix lozenge and potential transparency"? [11:34] ok, I OK it then... (under the above conditions) [11:34] got it. [11:34] 'Swirl': http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/3 [11:34] next is mine so i can't vote. [11:35] :) [11:35] Hehe [11:35] Definitely, go. [11:35] aww... thanks. :) [11:35] i won't tell you what inspired that. [11:35] http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=29526 [11:36] The exact same things as for http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=28693 applies [11:37] same author as the the orange one... again, i like it. [11:37] ok. same conditions then. [11:37] wait [11:37] yes sir? [11:37] on http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=28693 I'd also like to remove the words "Breezy Badger" [11:38] how about two versions? i think the "code names" make it more personable. [11:39] Yes, but "Breezy Badger" is just the name for the development version right? [11:39] and gosh, we're only talking like 3Mb of graphics so far. [11:39] no, the release is called breezy badger. [11:39] officially [11:39] and/or 5.10 [11:39] ? [11:39] yep. [11:39] want me to go ask in #ubuntu? [11:40] I'd also like to add that 'Ubuntu Breezy Badger-mouse' and 'Basse' are remarkably alike [11:40] volvoguy: No! Well be flooded! [11:40] :-D [11:41] they're similar to my swirls too - but it's all about personal preference. :) [11:41] and basse doesn't have the mouse/badger thingie on it. [11:41] It's just because we should narrow down to three choices [11:42] when did we make that rule? lol. [11:42] klepas and I dictated it :D [11:42] i think it'd be better to say - let's squeeze as much as we can in X megabytes. [11:44] i wanted to do the same with themes - stick to one theme but make as many color variations as we could get done before the release. [11:44] it all boils down to the motto - it's all about choice. [11:45] If we have a fixed MB barrier high-res PNGs are going to have a rough day [11:45] we'll throw 'em at pngcrush and see what happens. [11:45] On my Ogmore pngcrush reduced it from 1.4MB to 1.2MB [11:46] just for you, i added "possibly eliminate breezy badger text" for that first abstract. [11:46] :) [11:46] shall we continue? my 15 minutes were up about a half hour ago. :) [11:47] http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/23 [11:47]