[01:46] <klepas> moin
[01:48] <klepas> Could we during the course of the day come together and become a sort of quorum to decide on the items from that list I compiled?
[01:54] <klepas> Hullo....
[02:34] <klepas> !gaim
[02:35] <klepas> ack
[09:18] <klepas> Anyone awake?
[09:32] <kamstrup> yeay! I'm awake!
[09:32] <klepas> Anyone awake now...
[09:32] <klepas> finally.
[09:32] <klepas> Moin
[09:32] <kamstrup> You woke me up! :-D
[09:32] <klepas> good
[09:32] <klepas> :-P
[09:33] <klepas> have you been following the mailing lists?
[09:33] <kamstrup> Yes...
[09:35] <klepas> had a look at that list?
[09:35] <klepas> that was compiled
[09:35] <kamstrup> yes
[09:36] <klepas> we need to vote on it
[09:37] <kamstrup> did you see the latest mail from Jeff Waugh?
[09:37] <klepas> checking
[09:39] <klepas> alrighty
[09:39] <kamstrup> Wow! Have you seen: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/
[09:39] <klepas> well my idea then would be to cut down that list
[09:39] <klepas> yep
[09:40] <kamstrup> yes... it'd be really nice to have volvoguy or Andrew around when doing this
[09:41] <kamstrup> But are we focusing solely on calendar images now (considering jdubs mail)
[09:41] <klepas> No
[09:42] <klepas> I say we ought to cut down that list of possible candidates to 3
[09:42] <klepas> for each category
[09:42] <kamstrup> sounds sane
[09:42] <klepas> we can do the calender stuff at the same time
[09:43] <kamstrup> But how do we weed out?
[09:44] <klepas> Well, for example
[09:44] <kamstrup> Maybe we should just do it, and then direct complaints to /dev/null
[09:44] <klepas> lol
[09:44] <kamstrup> ... seriously
[09:44] <kamstrup> :-)
[09:44] <klepas> "Now we do the children's category, open the stuff listed in the list and choose three"
[09:45] <klepas> then we come to mutually agree
[09:45] <klepas> voila
[09:45] <klepas> next bit
[09:45] <kamstrup> Ok. I guess we should warn the ML. Give it 15 minutes and then just get to it...
[09:46] <klepas> alrighty
[09:46] <klepas> could you write the mail
[09:47] <kamstrup> Yep. I'm on it
[09:47] <klepas> I need to be away for 24-30 minutes
[09:47] <klepas> pretty please with cherries ontop? ;-)
[09:48] <klepas> Cheers.
[10:08] <volvoguy> hey all. i have a million things going on at once, so i'm only about a third here.... but i wanted to be around, especially considering jeff's last email. 
[10:09] <kamstrup> ... and considering /my/ last mail (send ~5 min ago)...
[10:09] <kamstrup> ;-P
[10:09] <volvoguy> well yes... you're the one that got me in here. :o)
[10:09] <kamstrup> Super
[10:09] <kamstrup> !
[10:09] <volvoguy> is Pascal in here too?
[10:10] <volvoguy> i can never remember everyone's nicks. 
[10:10] <kamstrup> He'll be back soon (that's what he said atleast)
[10:10] <volvoguy> i got the impression from jeff's email that today is not necessarily the deadline for the wallpapers. 
[10:11] <kamstrup> it struck me too
[10:11] <kamstrup> But then what would "Artwork Deadline" mean?
[10:11] <volvoguy> if that's the case, it might be nice to go through pascal's list and contact the artists, see if they'll post their stuff on art.ubuntu.com, and then figure out a good way to vote. 
[10:12] <kamstrup> yea, but we really need to narrow the list down before any voting...
[10:12] <volvoguy> kamstrup, originally the canonical administrative people had much more lofty goals for our team and the breezy release. unrealistic goals in my opinion.
[10:13] <kamstrup> he, yeah, but Dapper will have so much art you will get paint on you fingers if you touch the screen!
[10:13] <kamstrup> cheers mpathy 
[10:14] <volvoguy> well, if we can pick six, i don't think it's unreasonable to have 12-18 wallpapers in the pool to vote on. top six entries with the most votes get the nominiations. 
[10:14] <mpathy> hi kamstrup 
[10:14] <mpathy> yes.. quality not quantity
[10:14] <kamstrup> For the calendars yes, but I still think we might as well pick "ordinary" wallpapers as well
[10:16] <volvoguy> kamstrup, perhaps ogra_ can comment on that. since there will be an artwork repository online, i don't know if a "we liked these wallpapers" package in universe is really necessary.
[10:16] <volvoguy> that's just my opinion though.
[10:18] <kamstrup> You know what'd be really cool volvoguy?
[10:18] <volvoguy> if we find out we have another week or two, we also might want to allow for voting on a wallpaper theme - and see if an artist with lots of votes could make all six. 
[10:18] <volvoguy> kamstrup, what's that? 
[10:19] <kamstrup> If the art-manager-thing was integrated into gnome-app-install
[10:20] <volvoguy> kamstrup, i'm confident that we'll have something like gnome-art by dapper duck. it's already being talked about on the wiki as a goal for that relase. 
[10:20] <kamstrup> - might give problems with root/user priv's though (if it's integrated into gnome-app-install)
[10:20] <volvoguy> i'd honestly like to see it separate from the application installation program. 
[10:21] <kamstrup> thinking more about this... you're right
[10:21] <volvoguy> kamstrup, have you tried gnome-art?
[10:21] <kamstrup> not yet
[10:21] <kamstrup> I've tried the kde sister though
[10:21] <kamstrup> That was not a good experience :-S
[10:21] <volvoguy> miketech is it's author and he's usually hanging around in here. he's already working on tying it in to art.ubuntu.com.
[10:21] <volvoguy> it works really well. 
[10:23] <volvoguy> if you're into theming in the windows world, it's much like the wincustomize browser. preview, download and install artwork right from the app. 
[10:24] <kamstrup> oh, I've not really used windos since '98
[10:24] <volvoguy> is anyone here really into the launchpad stuff yet? i think they might have voting/poll capabilities. 
[10:25] <volvoguy> kamstrup, lucky you! i still can't quite get by with the gimp, so i'm stuck with windows mostly for the Adobe Creative Suite. 
[10:27] <volvoguy> keep up with yer talking. i need to pop over to #ubuntu for a minute and then disappear from the computer for a few minutes. I will be back though. :o)
[10:27] <klepas> back
[10:27] <kamstrup> cheers, volvoguy and mpathy droppped by while you where away
[10:27] <klepas> yea
[10:28] <klepas> just read the stuff
[10:28] <kamstrup> I think we should start when volvoguy gets back
[10:28] <klepas> yea
[10:28] <klepas> problem is mum wants me to usher at the street theatre tonight
[10:28] <klepas> in 15 minutes
[10:28] <volvoguy> i just medicated so i might be out in 15 minutes. 
[10:28] <kamstrup> we need to quick then ;-P
[10:29] <klepas> So, you guys can either go aead, or we can delay this till later
[10:29] <klepas> Your call, I'm easy going. :)
[10:29] <volvoguy> i can delay my non-computer stuff 15 minutes. fire away.
[10:29] <klepas> alrgihty
[10:30] <klepas> start with the children's category?
[10:30] <kamstrup> Aya
[10:30] <kamstrup> volvoguy: you've got klepas' list in front of you?
[10:31] <kamstrup> mpathy: are you here?
[10:31] <volvoguy> yes, yes i do. 
[10:31] <klepas> goodie
[10:31] <volvoguy> somewhere.
[10:31] <klepas> open all the stuff from the children's section
[10:32] <klepas> set?
[10:33] <kamstrup> i'm ready
[10:33] <klepas> alrgihty
[10:33] <klepas> i think we can eliminate the 'ubuntu-tan' one
[10:33] <klepas> although it's really cute and cool, it's a language dependant one
[10:34] <mpathy> kamstrup: not the whole time, I am at work & in danger ;)
[10:34] <volvoguy> ok. kids all loaded.
[10:34] <kamstrup> mpathy: living life in the fast lane eh?
[10:34] <klepas> anyone else agree about the 'Ubuntu-tan' one?
[10:35] <kamstrup> on Ubuntu-tan: Quality work, but has text in it (I don't know what it says)
[10:35] <volvoguy> ubuntu-tan is definitely not for children.
[10:35] <mpathy> kamstrup: hehe.. there are higher goals than a job *ggg*
[10:35] <kamstrup> -- it might also be offensive to somebody
[10:35] <klepas> Agreed
[10:35] <kamstrup> scratch Ubuntu-tan then?
[10:35] <klepas> so that's out.
[10:35] <klepas> Yes.
[10:36] <volvoguy> wait. let's clarify something. are we discussing calendar art now or a potential universe package? 
[10:36] <kamstrup> oh :-D
[10:36] <kamstrup> I think it's non-calendar...?
[10:36] <klepas> ye.
[10:37] <klepas> Shall we do the calender stuff afterwards?
[10:37] <volvoguy> if it's non-calendar, and we want a "grown ups" category, "ubuntu-tan" might fit there. 
[10:37] <klepas> LOl.
[10:37] <volvoguy> or maybe "anime land". 
[10:37] <klepas> heh
[10:37] <klepas> well what we take out now could still go elsewhere
[10:37] <klepas> like into "others"
[10:38] <klepas> but anyway
[10:38] <kamstrup> certainly
[10:38] <klepas> for the children's category
[10:38] <volvoguy> does anyone know what the character is saying in the text bubble?
[10:38] <klepas> that leaves 3 left
[10:38] <klepas> leaves 4, sorry
[10:38] <klepas> http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/44 - I think this is splendid
[10:39] <volvoguy> i second that. "childs play" would be great for a kids section. 
[10:39] <klepas> okay
[10:39] <volvoguy> (who's taking notes?)
[10:40] <klepas> I can
[10:40] <klepas> well only until i go
[10:40] <volvoguy> klepas, thanks. :)
[10:40] <volvoguy> ok
[10:40] <klepas> which is 10 minutes @ max more :(
[10:40] <klepas> http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/28
[10:40] <klepas> keep that as well?
[10:41] <klepas> i like it, reminds me of "The Lion King", the kids' movie
[10:41] <kamstrup> Well... not really child-like
[10:41] <volvoguy> i like that one, but i might ask the artist to modify the logo part of it. 
[10:41] <klepas> it's GPL
[10:41] <volvoguy> it currently breaks the trademark rules. 
[10:42] <klepas> yep
[10:42] <kamstrup> on child's play: I'm planning to add an official logo and optimize the vertex count...
[10:42] <volvoguy> probably not enough to piss anyone off, but it breaks consistency. 
[10:42] <klepas> agreed
[10:42] <klepas> actually
[10:42] <kamstrup> consistency is really important
[10:42] <klepas> could one of you guys keep notes?
[10:42] <kamstrup> ubuntulog is logging the conversation
[10:43] <kamstrup> but I'm taking notes too...
[10:43] <klepas> just edit 'the-list-v1.txt', and make a v2 out of it
[10:43] <klepas> then post it later
[10:43] <klepas> for the ML
[10:43] <klepas> and i need to go
[10:43] <klepas> :( :(
[10:44] <volvoguy> we'll fill you in later klepas. 
[10:44] <klepas> alrighty
[10:44] <volvoguy> we'll just go through the list and make comments. 
[10:44] <klepas> i'll stay in the channel
[10:44] <volvoguy> ok.
[10:45] <volvoguy> kamstrup, art.ubuntu.com doesn't show the artists name by default, does it?
[10:45] <klepas> keep going!
[10:45] <volvoguy> klepas, we will. :)
[10:45] <klepas> click on their username
[10:45] <volvoguy> klepas, oh, i see it. 
[10:45] <klepas> it will show you their real name (if they added it) and their email
[10:46] <volvoguy> i'm an admin there, so i'm sure i could find it eventually. i just missed it at first glance. 
[10:46] <kamstrup> How about http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=23218
[10:46] <volvoguy> i don't have a problem with that one. 
[10:47] <kamstrup> Seems okay. It doesn't say "Ubuntu" but the circle of friends is there...
[10:47] <kamstrup> I dislike out-of-focus stuff like the plants in the foreground... but that's just me
[10:48] <volvoguy> yeah. acceptible for a non-calendar wallpaper.
[10:48] <kamstrup> check
[10:48] <kamstrup> http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/50
[10:48] <volvoguy> i think a lot of people do that on purpose so icons are easier to see on the desktop.
[10:49] <kamstrup> Im sort of a low-contrast man instead of an out-of-focus man :-P
[10:49] <volvoguy> gotcha. :)
[10:49] <volvoguy> http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/50
[10:49] <volvoguy> *sigh*
[10:49] <kamstrup> ?
[10:50] <volvoguy> i think we should wait until he makes his SVG versions available. 
[10:50] <kamstrup> It has really friendly eyes that badger
[10:50] <klepas> it is @ 1600x1200
[10:50] <volvoguy> the illustration is good, but the colors just make me cringe. 
[10:51] <klepas> so it can be resized to smaller versions
[10:51] <klepas> i like it personally
[10:51] <klepas> :)
[10:51] <klepas> more than http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=23218
[10:51] <volvoguy> SVG not for resolution issues, but for a transparent background so users can change the color. 
[10:51] <klepas> true
[10:51] <klepas> mmh
[10:52] <klepas> he said he'll release the SVG version
[10:52] <kamstrup> I think we should "okay" on the condition that the artist provide a transparent version ( be it svg or png)
[10:52] <klepas> i'll check if he submitted it to the wallpapers
[10:52] <volvoguy> klepas, yes he did. that's why i'm not saying no outright. 
[10:53] <klepas> not in the incoming wallpapers list
[10:53] <klepas> and i need to really go now
[10:53] <klepas> Cheers guys
[10:53] <klepas> remember to post what you've edited and noted on the ML
[10:53] <volvoguy> later klepas. have a good time. :)
[10:54] <volvoguy> ok. is that it for the kids? 
[10:54] <kamstrup> ok lets move on
[10:55] <kamstrup> Teenage/cool.
[10:55] <kamstrup> 'Ubuntu': http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=302&c=5
[10:55] <volvoguy> actually, if we can find it, there was another on ubuntuforms that i really liked for kids. 
[10:55] <volvoguy> it was another badger, some in front of a fan, some jumping out of a plane... very good illustrations. 
[10:55] <kamstrup> If you go dig for it, I'll ready some links for you
[10:55] <volvoguy> sound familiar? 
[10:56] <kamstrup> Yes, but that wasn't wallpapers was it?
[10:56] <volvoguy> i'll find it later on my own time. 
[10:56] <kamstrup> k
[10:56] <volvoguy> no, but i'm sure we could make it a wallpaper. :)
[10:57] <kamstrup> http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=302&c=5 : okay I guess. Not exceptionally cool though
[10:57] <klepas|afk> i really like that one for the teenagers [http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=302&c=5] . It's simple, consistent with everything else. I like it.
[10:57] <klepas|afk> and yes i should be gone... just putting on shoes... :-P
[10:57] <volvoguy> gimme a sec while you're loading up the next batch. i started my own text file for notes but i think i'm going to mark up Pascal's text file instead. 
[10:57] <klepas|afk> go for it
[10:57] <kamstrup> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22500
[10:57] <klepas|afk> as long as you post all the extra notes on the ML
[10:58] <volvoguy> i will. 
[10:58] <klepas|afk> :o)
[10:58] <volvoguy> i just have a million windows open and firefox's memory leaks are rearing their ugly head. 
[10:59] <klepas|afk> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22500 - is cool, but not in consistency with the logo and the logo text
[10:59] <klepas|afk> and is not an SVG
[10:59] <kamstrup> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22500: The overlay logo hurts my eyes... This does not comply with official logo
[10:59] <kamstrup> no go
[10:59] <klepas|afk> but large enough anyway (1600x1200)
[10:59] <klepas|afk> no go
[10:59] <klepas|afk> agreed
[10:59] <kamstrup> scratch that one then
[11:00] <mpathy> someone read the mail from jeff? wouldnt it be better to talk about the calendar first? just asking :)
[11:00] <klepas|afk> the glasses?
[11:00] <klepas|afk> http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/1
[11:00] <kamstrup> ohhh... the glasses
[11:01] <kamstrup> mpathy: we're finally getting something done, let's keep doing it :-)
[11:01] <kamstrup> Are they fully CG?
[11:01] <klepas|afk> mpathy: we said to do the calender afterwards
[11:01] <klepas|afk> and I'm out
[11:01] <klepas|afk> ciao!!
[11:01] <kamstrup> cheers
[11:01] <mpathy> okay ;)
[11:02] <volvoguy> ok. i'm caught up to the end of the kids section. did i miss the whole teens section? 
[11:03] <volvoguy> http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=302&c=5
[11:03] <volvoguy> absolutely beautiful.
[11:03] <mpathy> btw, someone mentioned on the lug meeting yesterday: "wallpaper, teenager section? uhm.. does that means we get some naked babes again?" ;)
[11:04] <kamstrup> http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=302&c=5 got accepted
[11:04] <volvoguy> lol. i'm sure canonical has lots of comps that didn't get used. 
[11:04] <kamstrup> ... in the teenagers category
[11:05] <volvoguy> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22500
[11:05] <kamstrup> I'm trying to dig out the "true" license on those sun glasses
[11:05] <volvoguy> i don't like. 
[11:05] <volvoguy> logo trademark issues. 
[11:05] <mpathy> volvoguy: me too.. the wrong font and the logo is also modified.. a no-no
[11:06] <volvoguy> http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/1
[11:07] <volvoguy> has anyone emailed the author to see where he got the glasses image?
[11:07] <kamstrup> If the glasses are not CG, then they wont do. We can't have a picture of an iPod either can we?
[11:08] <lukacu> http://sxc.hu/browse.phtml?f=view&id=258771
[11:08] <volvoguy> i dunno. are those a particular brand of sunglasses? 
[11:08] <kamstrup> Nike
[11:09] <kamstrup> the logo got digitally removed
[11:09] <mpathy> personally I dont like the glasses also.. whats the connection between ubuntu and glasses?
[11:09] <volvoguy> ah ha.
[11:09] <kamstrup> it's cool
[11:09] <kamstrup> all the cool kids are wearing em
[11:09] <kamstrup> ;-P
[11:10] <mpathy> kamstrup: okay it seems to be that finally it happened that I am not cool anymore :oP
[11:10] <mpathy> ;)
[11:10] <volvoguy> it's a nice image. i think the photograph and nike would need to give us license to use the image though.
[11:10] <kamstrup> Even though they prolly are the coolest wallp we've got, I think we have to make it a no
[11:10] <volvoguy> kamstrup, i agree.
[11:10] <kamstrup> :-( okay, a no then
[11:11] <kamstrup> Now to: http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=591&c=5
[11:11] <kamstrup> wow
[11:11] <volvoguy> kamstrup, if you want to send a no nonsense email to the wallpaper author, maybe he can straighten things out for us. 
[11:12] <mpathy> btw, KUbuntu has some very good artwork! perhaps also look there and modfiy?
[11:12] <kamstrup> that's seriously teenage-ish
[11:12] <kamstrup> volvoguy: Maybe it's a bit late... For Dapper maybe?
[11:12] <volvoguy> that's what the powerpuff girls use on their ubuntu machines. 
[11:12] <kamstrup> volvoguy: LOL
[11:13] <volvoguy> i don't see anything wrong with it, but i don't happen to like it personally.
[11:14] <volvoguy> we could suggest that one of the bubbles be the circle element
[11:14] <kamstrup> really "power puff" power in that one, but I'm afraid the white background will hurt peoples eyes in the long run
[11:15] <kamstrup> I'd like to something along those lines (or modification of) for the childrens category
[11:15] <volvoguy> i don't think we need to make that call. i use all white backgrounds at times. 
[11:15] <kamstrup> ok... I'm prolly just a whiner
[11:15] <kamstrup> :-)
[11:15] <volvoguy> ok. it's a keeper then. 
[11:16] <volvoguy> on to abstract. 
[11:16] <mpathy> I have some which I could think of for "teenager" section
[11:16] <volvoguy> sure. fire away.
[11:17] <mpathy> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre1/29045-1.jpg
[11:17] <volvoguy> by the way, i haven't gotten around to putting any of my SVG wallpapers on art.ubuntu.com yet either, so feel free to nominate any of those too. hint, hint. :)
[11:17] <mpathy> oh sorry thats the main link http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=29045
[11:18] <mpathy> second one: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/files/29134-ubuntu_screen3_6.jpg
[11:18] <volvoguy> can i assume that the actual download is a wallpaper and not a screenshot?
[11:19] <mpathy> yes. there is a main link.. moment please
[11:19] <mpathy> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=29134
[11:20] <mpathy> and the third one:
[11:20] <mpathy> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=28371
[11:20] <kamstrup> volvoguy: I bleive that you "Swirls" are nominated in the abstract category?
[11:20] <volvoguy> i'm not crazy about the first, but the second is awesome - for either teens or abstract. 
[11:20] <kamstrup> volvoguy: ... but your "Squares" is excellent also
[11:21] <volvoguy> kamstrup, oh yeah - the one our webmaster uploaded as a demo. hehe. :)
[11:21] <volvoguy> mpathy, i'm not crazy about number 3 either personally. 
[11:22] <volvoguy> kamstrup, what do you think about mpathy's three suggestions?
[11:23] <kamstrup> All of them are great but I have some concers about 1 and 3, but 2 is good...
[11:23] <kamstrup> except that I'd really like 2 to have been in a transparent format
[11:23] <volvoguy> i agree. 
[11:24] <volvoguy> kamstrup, i can put in the notes to email the author to see if he has SVG's available. 
[11:24] <mpathy> i like the second, if it is not to abstract.. agree with the transparence!  whats about the first one? I think its really nice or is it to much GNU for Ubuntu? :oPP ;o)
[11:25] <kamstrup> mpathy: I think it is dangerous to start pushing other trademarks/logos than Ubuntu (and to some extent gnome)
[11:26] <volvoguy> mpathy, i get either a druggie or eastern religion vibe from number one (whether either is implied or not). 
[11:26] <kamstrup> volvoguy: are you noting the stuff on 2?
[11:26] <volvoguy> kamstrup, yeah... number two - teens or abstract though? 
[11:27] <kamstrup> abs
[11:27] <volvoguy> k
[11:27] <kamstrup> Moving to the Abstract category
[11:27] <kamstrup> [11:27] <volvoguy> got it. 
[11:27] <kamstrup> 'Ubuntu Breezy Badger-mouse' (one without the creature!): http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=28693
[11:28] <kamstrup> I don't think the words "Breezy Badger" should appear in a wallpaper
[11:28] <volvoguy> looks good to me.
[11:29] <kamstrup> Furthermore the lozenged logo has been modified. I think there are some official Canonical guidelines for this (Id really like to discuss this matter at an other point in timwe).
[11:30] <kamstrup> volvoguy: I suspect you of modifying the lozenge logo in Squares also..? :-)
[11:30] <volvoguy> i think it's just been lengthened a bit. 
[11:31] <volvoguy> kamstrup, there was no lozenge version when i did mine. 
[11:31] <kamstrup> volvoguy: ok
[11:32] <volvoguy> how about an "ok, but modify lozenge to conform to current specs"?
[11:32] <kamstrup> On the wallp in question, I think the the lozenge has been shortened in height
[11:32] <kamstrup> hmmmm.... what about transparency?
[11:32] <kamstrup> Especially in the Abstract category, I rate transparency really high
[11:32] <volvoguy> it's possible, but don't know if it's necessary on everything. 
[11:33] <kamstrup> It would be up to the voters to decide also.
[11:33] <volvoguy> it's GPL though so we can do what we want
[11:33] <volvoguy> so..... "fix lozenge and potential transparency"?
[11:34] <kamstrup> ok, I OK it then... (under the above conditions)
[11:34] <volvoguy> got it. 
[11:34] <kamstrup> 'Swirl': http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/3
[11:34] <volvoguy> next is mine so i can't vote. 
[11:35] <volvoguy> :)
[11:35] <kamstrup> Hehe
[11:35] <kamstrup> Definitely, go.
[11:35] <volvoguy> aww... thanks. :)
[11:35] <volvoguy> i won't tell you what inspired that. 
[11:35] <volvoguy> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=29526
[11:36] <kamstrup> The exact same things as for http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=28693 applies
[11:37] <volvoguy> same author as the the orange one... again, i like it. 
[11:37] <volvoguy> ok. same conditions then. 
[11:37] <kamstrup> wait
[11:37] <volvoguy> yes sir? 
[11:37] <kamstrup> on http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=28693 I'd also like to remove the words "Breezy Badger"
[11:38] <volvoguy> how about two versions? i think the "code names" make it more personable. 
[11:39] <kamstrup> Yes, but "Breezy Badger" is just the name for the development version right?
[11:39] <volvoguy> and gosh, we're only talking like 3Mb of graphics so far. 
[11:39] <volvoguy> no, the release is called breezy badger. 
[11:39] <kamstrup> officially
[11:39] <volvoguy> and/or 5.10
[11:39] <kamstrup> ?
[11:39] <volvoguy> yep.
[11:39] <volvoguy> want me to go ask in #ubuntu?
[11:40] <kamstrup> I'd also like to add that 'Ubuntu Breezy Badger-mouse' and 'Basse' are remarkably alike
[11:40] <kamstrup> volvoguy: No! Well be flooded!
[11:40] <kamstrup> :-D
[11:41] <volvoguy> they're similar to my swirls too - but it's all about personal preference. :) 
[11:41] <volvoguy> and basse doesn't have the mouse/badger thingie on it. 
[11:41] <kamstrup> It's just because we should narrow down to three choices
[11:42] <volvoguy> when did we make that rule? lol. 
[11:42] <kamstrup> klepas and I dictated it :D
[11:42] <volvoguy> i think it'd be better to say - let's squeeze as much as we can in X megabytes. 
[11:44] <volvoguy> i wanted to do the same with themes - stick to one theme but make as many color variations as we could get done before the release. 
[11:44] <volvoguy> it all boils down to the motto - it's all about choice. 
[11:45] <kamstrup> If we have a fixed MB barrier high-res PNGs are going to have a rough day
[11:45] <volvoguy> we'll throw 'em at pngcrush and see what happens. 
[11:45] <kamstrup> On my Ogmore pngcrush reduced it from 1.4MB to 1.2MB
[11:46] <volvoguy> just for you, i added "possibly eliminate breezy badger text" for that first abstract. 
[11:46] <kamstrup> :)
[11:46] <volvoguy> shall we continue? my 15 minutes were up about a half hour ago. :)
[11:47] <volvoguy> http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/23
[11:47] <kamstrup> hehe... If you're up to it
[11:47] <volvoguy> i like it - again, maybe add transparency.
[11:48] <kamstrup> exactly my words.
[11:48] <kamstrup> I like how the circle of friends (cof) looks edged-in
[11:48] <kamstrup> +1
[11:49] <volvoguy> yeah. we can do that with an alpha transparent png or SVG, so it's all good. 
[11:49] <volvoguy> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=29567
[11:49] <volvoguy> just looking at the thumbnails, i really like 'em. again, maybe add transparency. 
[11:50] <kamstrup> These are actually very much along the lines of how I imagined the Ubuntu Elements calendar :-D
[11:50] <kamstrup> Yeah, but they're SVGs so that would be easy.
[11:50] <volvoguy> well, there's already three, perhaps we can talk the author into making three more. :)
[11:51] <kamstrup> volvoguy: that's an idea
[11:51] <volvoguy> i'll note it. 
[11:51] <volvoguy> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=21125
[11:52] <volvoguy> i like it. logo may need an outline to make it pop a bit more. 
[11:53] <kamstrup> There's nothing really to complain about except the usual transparency.
[11:53] <kamstrup> One thing we have forgotten...
[11:53] <volvoguy> textured background might make that slightly more difficult on this one. 
[11:53] <volvoguy> what's that?
[11:53] <kamstrup> How and if we should enforce the Ubuntu palette
[11:54] <kamstrup> That would make transparency a _requirement_ for most wallps
[11:54] <volvoguy> for a universe artwork package? i'd say it doesn't matter. for calendar images, it should be enforced. 
[11:54] <volvoguy> well, we can't ship transparent background images with a default background color. 
[11:54] <kamstrup> What about long term? If we stand a chance for main inclusion in Dapper
[11:55] <kamstrup> volvoguy: I'm not so sure about that.
[11:55] <volvoguy> i don't know how you'd do that. if a background color is specified, it's not transparent. 
[11:55] <kamstrup> The wallpaper dialog has a per-wp background set
[11:56] <kamstrup> it has to store that info somewhere
[11:56] <kamstrup> perhaps there is a global place for this
[11:56] <volvoguy> but the SVG file can't tell the wallpaper dialog to use a particular color set. 
[11:56] <kamstrup> No but a .deb could (maybe)
[11:57] <volvoguy> trust me, i've researched it. the best i came up with is including a readme with the SVG file in a tgz file with some suggested background colors. 
[11:58] <volvoguy> you're free to pick the brains of the devs in their channel at a later date though. :)
[11:58] <kamstrup> I'll look into it, in the early phases for Dapper.
[11:59] <kamstrup> Maybe we could patch gnome-background-properties
[11:59] <volvoguy> back to color palette.... if a universe background gets promoted to main for a future release, we could then just require that they adjust the colors to conform to the palette. 
[12:00] <kamstrup> Yeah.
[12:00] <volvoguy> a small price to pay to have your artwork on thousands of desktops. 
[12:00] <volvoguy> ok. are we ready to move into the "realistic" category? 
[12:00] <kamstrup> I think we should postpone this discussion for Dapper. But we should reach a conclusion on put it on the wiki.
[12:01] <volvoguy> i think it already says somewhere that artwork to be considered for inclusion in main must conform to the official palette. 
[12:01] <kamstrup> About: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=21125, there's no real complaints from me although it doesn't rock my world
[12:02] <volvoguy> i could be wrong, but i think i wrote it. :)
[12:02] <volvoguy> ok. 
[12:02] <kamstrup> volvoguy: It is mentioned but I think it's in an icon-context
[12:02] <volvoguy> http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=615&c=5
[12:02] <volvoguy> kamstrup, you're probably right.
[12:03] <volvoguy> i like, but the logo is blurry. 
[12:03] <kamstrup> I noticed that too
[12:03] <kamstrup> good composition
[12:04] <volvoguy> looks like jpg artifacts. might be fixed by a simple re-export if the author still has the layered gimp file. 
[12:05] <kamstrup> I still think that we should narrow each category down to three or four choices.
[12:06] <volvoguy> well, since it's just the two of us doing this right now, let's finish the list and feed it to the mailing list and see what input they give. 
[12:06] <kamstrup> Give this +1 under the condition that the logo is fixed
[12:06] <volvoguy> got it. 
[12:06] <volvoguy> http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=264&c=5
[12:08] <volvoguy> also remember that this list is only Pascal's initial picks. we may add and delete a lot before we actually get to a final vote stage. 
[12:08] <volvoguy> i think this last one is beauty-full. 
[12:08] <kamstrup> Yes, nice composition again.
[12:09] <kamstrup> The out-of-focus thing still hurts my eyes (literally) though
[12:10] <kamstrup> The reason that I'm whining so much about the out of focus is that I feel actual pain in my eyes when I look at it.
[12:10] <volvoguy> you can just use a different one then. :) i almost always  go for the out of focus ones so i can see my desktop icons better. 
[12:10] <kamstrup> I just fear that I'm not the only one in the world with this problem.
[12:11] <kamstrup> As I mentioned before; Im more into low-contrast
[12:11] <kamstrup> gives the same sort of icon visibility
[12:11] <volvoguy> and i'm not the only one without it. :) and acoustic guitar apparently hurts my brothers ears, but loud rap music doesn't. it's all personal preference. 
[12:12] <kamstrup> yeah, anyways, +1 from me.
[12:12] <volvoguy> :)
[12:12] <volvoguy> http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=871&c=5
[12:12] <volvoguy> interesting. 
[12:13] <kamstrup> wait...
[12:13] <volvoguy> yes?
[12:13] <kamstrup> It is not the real ubuntu font in the afforementined wp
[12:14] <kamstrup> On http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=871&c=5 ; Really nice. Is the ubuntu logo blurred, or is it just because the main image is friggin sharp ;-P
[12:14] <volvoguy> judging by the date of the first comment, probably not. that font has only been released recently (and only in breezy unless snatched from someone elses machine)
[12:15] <kamstrup> volvoguy: Then I'd say +1 under the cond. that the font is fixed
[12:16] <volvoguy> noted. 
[12:16] <volvoguy> i'd say the logo on the last one is a bit to antialiased. 
[12:17] <volvoguy> *and* the image is particularly sharp. 
[12:17] <volvoguy> don't female mantis eat the males after they mate? is that really the message we want to send to the community? lol. 
[12:18] <kamstrup> Think of the kids! SOmeone think of the children!
[12:18] <volvoguy> it's a cool image, but i'm undecided about it's use as a wallpaper. 
[12:19] <kamstrup> CSetting the mantis as my actual background tells me that the logo will have to be sharper. It looks a bit unprofessional to be atm.
[12:19] <volvoguy> "mommy, where is daddy?"
[12:19] <kamstrup> lol
[12:19] <volvoguy> i think i have to vote no.
[12:19] <kamstrup> why
[12:20] <volvoguy> you answered your own question. :)
[12:20] <volvoguy> why? 
[12:20] <volvoguy> it's not really abstract. 
[12:20] <kamstrup> the logo or the man-eater thing?
[12:20] <kamstrup> Oh, but we are in the realism category
[12:20] <volvoguy> it's not a neutral landscape image. 
[12:21] <volvoguy> it's a big bug. 
[12:21] <kamstrup> Thinking about it, a mantis is actually sending a message...
[12:21] <kamstrup> a negative one.
[12:21] <kamstrup> We can't have bugs in Breezy
[12:21] <kamstrup> all in all -1 from me
[12:22] <mpathy> back again!
[12:22] <volvoguy> that's a good reason too. i'll note that. :)
[12:22] <kamstrup> welcome back to the flip side mpathy 
[12:23] <kamstrup> On to http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=372&c=5
[12:23] <mpathy> my boss has his birthday so I am full with secco right now and in a funny mood ;)
[12:23] <volvoguy> i'm going to be up all night. i can tell already. 
[12:24] <volvoguy> don't like the tagline in that one. 
[12:24] <mpathy> kamstrup: what with this? I dont see the sense of the subtitle
[12:24] <kamstrup> the logo is un-antialised
[12:24] <volvoguy> not particularly fond of the photograph either. 
[12:24] <kamstrup> There's also a political message in it.
[12:24] <kamstrup> We can't go with it
[12:24] <kamstrup> -1
[12:25] <volvoguy> http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=527&c=5
[12:26] <mpathy> perhaps I retouch this pic to a badger, but I fear I get spam from animal experts ;)
[12:26] <mpathy> http://linuxart.com/photos/03jul12-zoo,_africa/1620/0712-104718.jpg
[12:26] <volvoguy> my favorite flower. 
[12:27] <volvoguy> i'm all over this one. it could possibly use the "linux for human beings" tagline, but not necessary. 
[12:28] <volvoguy> mpathy, is that a badger? it looks like a meerkat. 
[12:28] <kamstrup> volvoguy: The image is good, but has a lot of stuff catching your eye in it, +1
[12:29] <mpathy> volvoguy: no its not, I said I want to retoch it but I fear I get in trouble with people ;)
[12:29] <kamstrup> Setting the images as wallpapers really helps me...
[12:29] <volvoguy> kamstrup, yeah - a little busy, but pretty. i'll note that. 
[12:29] <kamstrup> Just right-click from Firef.
[12:29] <mpathy> did you now that the german army has a tank who is also called badger? perhaps we can add a "I love the NRA" section ;)
[12:30] <volvoguy> mpathy, gotcha. gotta make sure you use open source type images. :)
[12:31] <volvoguy> http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/16
[12:32] <volvoguy> i like. 
[12:32] <volvoguy> i think it's the first "subtle" image we've seen. 
[12:33] <kamstrup> I like it too. The image itself is better than the sun flower if you ask me, but the transparent logo is not exactly my cup of tea
[12:34] <kamstrup> Also the logo is a bit crammed into the right...
[12:34] <volvoguy> the logo could be a bit darker, but i think it works. it keeps the flowers looking delicate. 
[12:34] <kamstrup> right
[12:35] <kamstrup> The out-of-focus works good in this image actually ;-)
[12:35] <volvoguy> :-)
[12:35] <kamstrup> I think it's because there are no visible shapes in it
[12:35] <kamstrup> My eye does not try to focus the non-focusable
[12:35] <kamstrup> :-D
[12:36] <volvoguy> by the way, the yellow flower wasn't a sunflower. :)
[12:37] <volvoguy> this is probably local slang for it, but around here it's called a "black-eyed susan". it's in the daisy family. 
[12:38] <volvoguy> i had a HUGE sunflower crop this year. i have hundreds of images that i still need to go through to see if anything is wallpaper material. 
[12:38] <volvoguy> anyway - http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=838&c=5
[12:38] <volvoguy> haha
[12:39] <volvoguy> "badgers? we don't need no stinking badgers."
[12:39] <kamstrup> afk 2s
[12:40] <volvoguy> i need a beverage break. brb. 
[12:40] <mpathy> volvoguy: ..I surely would ask Mr. LeSage before (as mentioned in the to do list)
[12:40] <volvoguy> mpathy, good, good. :)
[12:41] <kamstrup> back
[12:41] <kamstrup> damn it-s hard to hit ctrl-alt-left with one hand only!
[12:42] <mpathy> use the ctrl and the alt on the right side *gg*
[12:42] <kamstrup> About: http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=838&c=5 then count me -1
[12:43] <kamstrup> mpathy: I tried but I have Alt Gr on the right side
[12:43] <kamstrup> doesn't work as alt
[12:43] <mpathy> oh okay.. my joke doesnt work :)
[12:43] <volvoguy> back. 
[12:44] <kamstrup> get back...
[12:44] <kamstrup> get back...
[12:44] <volvoguy> i agree kamstrup. good in concept i think, but the image just didn't turn out. 
[12:44] <kamstrup> get back to where you once belong'
[12:44] <volvoguy> i belong in bed. or doing my bills. neither one is getting done tonight. :-P
[12:44] <kamstrup> hehe
[12:44] <kamstrup> My masters isn't exactly writing itself either
[12:45] <volvoguy> i wish i could be writing a masters. 
[12:45] <kamstrup> why can't you
[12:45] <kamstrup> ?
[12:46] <volvoguy> i'm on workers comp/disability from an injury at work. you're not allowed to make money or educate yourself while you're trying to get fixed. a stupid law if you ask me. 
[12:47] <volvoguy> luckily for me and the open source world, there's no money involved. :) 
[12:47] <volvoguy> and i got a free laptop for being on the laptop testing team. 
[12:47] <volvoguy> ok. should we go through the "others" section or call it a night? 
[12:47] <kamstrup> volvoguy: oh damn 
[12:48] <kamstrup> I'd humbly like to suggest my Ogmore image for the realism cat.
[12:48] <volvoguy> i vote no. 
[12:48] <volvoguy> just kidding.
[12:48] <volvoguy> what's the link. 
[12:49] <kamstrup> http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/Ubuntu-Ogmore_1024x768.jpg
[12:49] <kamstrup> or just http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/52
[12:49] <kamstrup> mainly because it's a transparent photography
[12:50] <volvoguy> oh yeah. totally. my only suggestion might be a bigger logo, with perhaps some transparency to the logo. 
[12:51] <volvoguy> if that makes sense. 
[12:51] <volvoguy> my pain meds are wearing off so now it's the pain talking instead of the drugs. 
[12:52] <kamstrup> I tried with a transparent logo, but it looked kinda strange with some bg colors
[12:52] <volvoguy> understandable. 
[12:52] <volvoguy> it's fine the way it is then. 
[12:52] <volvoguy> it's on the list. 
[12:53] <volvoguy> how about i show off mine and we call it a night for tonight? 
[12:53] <kamstrup> k
[12:53] <volvoguy> http://www.volvoguy.net/ubuntu/
[12:53] <kamstrup> (it's mid-day here in Denmark)
[12:53] <volvoguy> keep in mind - all SVG, all transparent backgrounds. 
[12:55] <volvoguy> most are pretty minimalistic, 'cause that's just the way i am. 
[12:55] <kamstrup> that's the way I like it (aha aha)
[12:55] <volvoguy> near the bottom it's hard to tell, but most have either some sort of shadow or emboss effect. 
[12:56] <volvoguy> my fav is probably the one with the larger earth near the bottom.
[12:57] <volvoguy> and the snowflakes (man, was that a task), but that's seasonal, so it probably doesn't belong. 
[12:57] <kamstrup> Yes it caught my eye too
[12:58] <kamstrup> The ones where the COF is enclosing the earth can feel bit too "World domination"-like
[12:58] <kamstrup> My favorites are definitely Swirl and then Squares
[12:58] <volvoguy> i actually traced all those snowflakes by hand from some scientific research done in the 1920's. 
[12:59] <kamstrup> The glossy loges at the bottom are great, but maybe a bit too minimalistic. Id like to see them with a bit more composition
[01:00] <volvoguy> composition as in... on top of a photo? 
[01:01] <volvoguy> or just placed differently on the screen? 
[01:01] <volvoguy> keep in mind that some of these were created before the first release of Ubuntu. :o)
[01:02] <kamstrup> I'm not thinking of anything particularly. My brain just needs some shapes in the image. Be it swirls, squares, triangles, photos...
[01:02] <volvoguy> ok. gotcha. 
[01:02] <volvoguy> so i'll add the squares to the list. 
[01:02] <volvoguy> how about the earth with the smaller COF? 
[01:03] <kamstrup> Perhaps the guy with the three svgs we reviewed can use your snowflakes for a winter image?
[01:03] <volvoguy> ahh. yes. i'll note that. 
[01:04] <kamstrup> ...
[01:04] <kamstrup> I think I would have moved the COF off center
[01:05] <kamstrup> Up to the right
[01:05] <volvoguy> that's always a tough decision when dealing with a asymmetrical graphic like the earth. 
[01:05] <kamstrup> So that it intersects the globes circumference
[01:05] <kamstrup> not usre though, looks great anyway
[01:05] <volvoguy> believe it or not, everything is centered absolutely right now. 
[01:06] <volvoguy> well, since I kept the "no's" on the list, i'll put that earth image on the list as a maybe and see what happens. how's that? 
[01:07] <kamstrup> yeah. ok
[01:07] <volvoguy> category? abstract? 
[01:07] <kamstrup> abs i guess
[01:08] <volvoguy> what was that? 
[01:08] <kamstrup> volvoguy: I'm trying to send you the blue-eart-logo-small changes I'm speaking of
[01:09] <volvoguy> kamstrup, try again. it was pointing to a non-existant directory. 
[01:09] <kamstrup> yeehaw
[01:10] <volvoguy> ooooh. i see. 
[01:10] <kamstrup> but ofcourse it's a matter of personal taste
[01:10] <volvoguy> yeah. i'd have to stare at it a while. :)
[01:10] <volvoguy> not bad though. 
[01:11] <kamstrup> That's the great thing about svg.
[01:11] <kamstrup> It's so easy to work with in this way
[01:11] <volvoguy> i know. i love it. 
[01:12] <volvoguy> whew. 
[01:13] <volvoguy> ok. i need to do something that is not this for a while. 
[01:13] <volvoguy> i'll email my notes to the mailing list.
[01:14] <volvoguy> kamstrup, thanks for being so proactive with all this recently. we needed a kick in the butt. 
[01:14] <kamstrup> NP. At some point in the not-so-distant future we need a clear cut development policy for Dapper. But that is better left for after 13th of Oct.
[01:15] <kamstrup> Will you contact the guy with the three SVGs?
[01:16] <volvoguy> yes. we'll probably be passing the torch of art team lead, even if it's only temporarily, because at some point during dapper drake i'll be having surgery and will disapper completely. 
[01:16] <volvoguy> yeah. i can contact him. 
[01:16] <volvoguy> just as a "maybe" for now until we get some feedback from everyone else though. 
[01:18] <kamstrup> ofcourse
[01:18] <volvoguy> and on that note, i bid you all a good evening/morning. :) at any rate i'll talk to you later. bye for now. 
[01:18] <kamstrup> cheers!
[01:29] <kamstrup> well, Ill get on with RL then ;-P Cheers
[01:50] <mpathy> back again
[01:51] <mpathy> current state?
[01:59] <klepas|afk> same
[02:03] <klepas> mpathy: check the mailings, Aaron has posted the edits we've done. :)
[02:12] <mpathy> lost the link to the mockup of the GDM which I should try to bring to life..
[02:12] <mpathy> somebody remember
[02:21] <klepas> yea
[02:22] <klepas> http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/473/ubuntulogin019io.png
[02:22] <klepas> there you go :)
[02:22] <klepas> i'll be out for a wee while longer
[02:22] <klepas> but i definitely will be back
[02:22] <klepas> cheers
[03:29] <mpathy> klepas|afk: do you know the person who made that?
[03:34] <lllmanulll> Hey there, what's the ubuntu font package again ?
[03:42] <klepas|afk> sorry, can't remember
[03:42] <mpathy> klepas|afk: you said it to me but I can't remember where or when (or if *g*)
[03:43] <klepas> the font package?
[03:43] <klepas> or the GDM mockup?
[03:43] <lllmanulll> Nevermind, I found the font .ttf file on the wiki :)
[03:43] <lllmanulll> Thanks
[03:43] <mpathy> but it shouldnt be this difficult if I can get the single parts of it - if I get them today I make it till tomorrow *g*
[03:43] <mpathy> klepas: the mockup
[03:44] <klepas> http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/473/ubuntulogin019io.png
[03:45] <mpathy> klepas: no I mean, the buttons etc. they should be a own transparent png
[03:45] <klepas> i can get you the author of the GDM
[03:45] <klepas> [mockup] 
[03:45] <klepas> http://www.livejournal.com/users/bmgz/
[03:46] <klepas> i don't personally know where to get the individual files for it
[03:46] <mpathy> okay..
[03:47] <mpathy> if I have the parts I could do it in one day.. otherwise I had to build it similar, not 100% the same
[03:47] <klepas> yea, i know
[03:47] <klepas> see if you can contact bmgz
[03:52] <klepas> on it already
[03:52] <klepas> :)
[03:52] <mpathy> i didnt find a mail adress but I send a comment
[03:52] <klepas> same
[03:53] <klepas> Naja, shau mal da!
[03:53] <klepas> I didn't know you're German too. :o)
[03:55] <mpathy> bin ich ;)
[03:55] <klepas> Ich lebe in Australien seit 8 jahre.
[03:56] <klepas> Komm aus Mainz
[03:56] <mpathy> I found a hint.. He said that he send his mockup to the ubuntu-artwork mailing list so it should be there..
[03:56] <mpathy> Ich komme aus der Umgebung von Stuttgart.
[03:57] <mpathy> I live exactly between the GUADEC 2005 and the aKademy 2004 ;)
[03:58] <klepas> Geil.
[03:58] <klepas> the email in particular is called:
[03:58] <klepas> "[ubuntu-art]  Mock-up question"
[03:59] <klepas> wait
[03:59] <klepas> that's Henrik's comments on the mockup submission
[03:59] <klepas> sorry
[03:59] <mpathy> okay.. nice that you look because I am not so organized on my office mac..
[03:59] <klepas> Search for "bmgz"
[04:00] <klepas> he uses the same sender name
[04:00] <klepas> nick name
[04:00] <klepas> nup
[04:01] <klepas> no files from him
[04:01] <klepas> just 2 mockups
[04:01] <klepas> fullscreen GNOME splash
[04:01] <klepas> and the GDM theme mockup
[04:09] <newz2000> Howdy folks.
[04:09] <mpathy> klepas: wrote him a mail..
[04:09] <klepas> :)
[04:09] <klepas> Moin
[04:10] <newz2000> howdy
[04:10] <klepas> mpathy: thanks mate
[04:11] <mpathy> klepas: the mockup with the fullscreen splash seems to be tricky, but we should definitely send canonical a like how they like it and if someone can write a patch (what I believe is needed for sth like that)
[04:11] <klepas> good idea
[04:12] <klepas> alright, _completely_ off topic: http://www.go-quiz.com/subculture/subculture-test.php
[04:12] <klepas> what the hell...?
[04:12] <klepas> worst web page i've seen all week
[04:12] <mpathy> hope, at least for "drapper drake" I could offer more than just ideas *sigh* ;)
[04:14] <klepas> yea
[04:14] <klepas> I think the art community will have their big chance with Dapper
[04:15] <klepas> I think we should stick something like this over all ubuntu artwork related webpages: http://wombat.nuxified.com/files/wip.jpg
[04:17] <klepas> ;-P
[04:32] <mpathy> back again
[04:37] <klepas> I might go
[04:38] <klepas> really sleepy
[04:38] <klepas> good luck with the GDM mate
[04:39] <klepas> night guys
[05:00] <mpathy> thx
[06:05] <nicholaspaul> good morning everyone. 
[06:22] <newz2000> I'm about to upload Vijay's background pictures to Flickr... any tips for making this work smoothly?
[06:22] <newz2000> Should I mark them as public?
[06:25] <nicholaspaul> ive never used it , sorry. 
[06:25] <newz2000> no prob. This is my first time too, but volvo guy suggested flickr as an upload area. We'll see how it works.
[06:31] <nicholaspaul> let us know how it goes
[06:36] <newz2000> It works smooth. The only trick is that "tags" are not text messages but potential search terms. THere's an optional description field you see after upload, which is a little confusing.
[06:38] <newz2000> oh. Flickr resized the images to 1024px wide max. :-(
[06:39] <newz2000> Anyone here use the art.ubuntu website yet?
[06:41] <lllmanulll> Huh, yup
[06:42] <newz2000> do the images, once approved or whatever get moved to the aup site for long-term storage, or do they have to permanantly resized somewhere else?
[06:44] <lllmanulll> Hmm, seems they do get transferred
[06:44] <newz2000> ok. That's good.
[06:44] <lllmanulll> You can tell by trying to download a wallpaper and see where it comes from
[06:44] <newz2000> Ah.
[06:44] <lllmanulll> (Seems to come from art.ubuntu.com)
[06:44] <newz2000> Here, check these out: http://www.bearfruit.org/images/VijayKishan/
[06:47] <lllmanulll> Looks great
[06:56] <newz2000> ok, gotta work. ttl.
[09:00] <nicholaspaul>     anyone panicking yet?