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| jsgotangco | Burgundavia, what's with the tar.gz upload? | 05:30 |
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| MadpilotPPC | hi all | 07:01 |
| jsgotangco | hey | 07:05 |
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| MadpilotPPC | http://fridge.ubuntu.com/ <-- "It's alive!" ;) | 07:44 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 07:47 |
| MadpilotPPC | looks good, too | 07:48 |
| ajmitch | evening all | 07:54 |
| ajmitch | what's new? | 07:54 |
| MadpilotPPC | not much here - The Fridge is running, though, which is cool Ubuntu news... | 07:56 |
| ajmitch | I'm sure I saw it running a week or two ago ;) | 07:56 |
| MadpilotPPC | heh, OK, I"m just behind the times here... | 07:56 |
| ajmitch | and it's still a bit bare | 07:57 |
| MadpilotPPC | good framework, though | 07:57 |
| ajmitch | http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?id=631 | 07:57 |
| MadpilotPPC | right now it just seems like an alternate version of planet.ubuntu, though ;) | 07:57 |
| ajmitch | interesting link on the fridge there | 07:58 |
| MadpilotPPC | which one? | 08:00 |
| ajmitch | the impilinux announcement | 08:00 |
| MadpilotPPC | read that - actually having a look around the website it came from now | 08:00 |
| MadpilotPPC | lots of Linux stuff going on in RSA these days | 08:00 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 08:01 |
| ajmitch | sabdfl is busy down there :) | 08:01 |
| MadpilotPPC | yup | 08:01 |
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| MadpilotPPC | that's cool, someone has finally combined the CC licences and the GPL: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/GPL/2.0/ | 08:45 |
| jsgotangco | wow | 08:46 |
| jsgotangco | hmm that's still the GPL but human-readable | 08:48 |
| MadpilotPPC | exactly | 08:48 |
| MadpilotPPC | I'm reasonable good at parsing legal docs, but the GPL defeats me - CC is just so much easier... | 08:50 |
| MadpilotPPC | *reasonably, not reasonable... | 08:50 |
| jsgotangco | Onubalinux? | 09:39 |
| rob^ | umm, did anyone else have to dist-update to get the new ubuntu-docs package? | 09:47 |
| jsgotangco | of course | 09:51 |
| jsgotangco | or its already seeded | 09:51 |
| jsgotangco | rob^, the faqguide looks really trashy in some chapters | 09:51 |
| rob^ | it was holding it back | 09:51 |
| rob^ | jsgotangco, which ones? | 09:51 |
| jsgotangco | rob^, force it :) | 09:51 |
| rob^ | yeah I did | 09:51 |
| jsgotangco | rob^, some chapters don't have linkx | 09:52 |
| jsgotangco | items i mean | 09:52 |
| rob^ | I think something odd is going on, all of the credits and stuff are missing too | 09:52 |
| jsgotangco | oh the credits are fine | 09:52 |
| jsgotangco | some of the entities are just not packaged yet | 09:53 |
| rob^ | ooh ouch.. eg: Register free Dynamic DNS at . | 09:53 |
| rob^ | wtf is up with that? | 09:53 |
| jsgotangco | rob^, yes see that? | 09:53 |
| rob^ | yeah.. odd it wasn't doing that before | 09:53 |
| jsgotangco | my guess is that its with the entities | 09:53 |
| jsgotangco | which are not included yet | 09:53 |
| rob^ | so this issue will fix itself up when jbailey includes the entities file? | 09:54 |
| rob^ | also, on the yelp front page, the faqguide is listed as "Unofficial Ubuntu 5.10 Starter Guide | 09:54 |
| rob^ | " | 09:54 |
| jsgotangco | heh i should fix it myself later | 09:54 |
| jsgotangco | thats easy to sort out, probably from the old omf file | 09:58 |
| rob^ | umm, so why are the credits etc removed, I thought this page was a requirement of one of the licences | 09:59 |
| rob^ | well, at least the revision history anyway | 09:59 |
| jsgotangco | they're not | 10:00 |
| jsgotangco | (i can see them here) | 10:00 |
| rob^ | they are missing when I view the faqguide from the ubuntu-docs package in yelp | 10:01 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 10:01 |
| rob^ | when I view the faqguide from branch I get a few more of the missing pages back, but still no credits page, although in the xml file its clearly there | 10:03 |
| rob^ | maybe yelp doesn't support <legalnotice> tags? | 10:05 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, what email is this? | 10:39 |
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| dholbach | heya! :) | 11:55 |
| jsgotangco | hey dholbach | 11:55 |
| jsgotangco | you seem lost | 11:55 |
| dholbach | lost? | 11:55 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 11:55 |
| jsgotangco | what brings you to this desert wasteland | 11:56 |
| dholbach | haha :) | 11:56 |
| dholbach | is that so? | 11:56 |
| jsgotangco | whats up? | 11:57 |
| dholbach | i wanted to ask the team's advice on http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/8595 | 11:57 |
| dholbach | it's about gnome's user-guide | 11:57 |
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| dholbach | i'll get an update from GNOME's cvs but i daresay it won't be enough to be up to scratch concerning 2.12 | 11:58 |
| jsgotangco | upstream isn't updated | 12:00 |
| jsgotangco | there is an email a few weeks ago by Shaun McCance to have the user guide updated for 2.12 | 12:00 |
| jsgotangco | but that was a few days after 2.12 was released | 12:00 |
| dholbach | ok, so you'd suggest i check for updates occasionally? | 12:01 |
| dholbach | do you happen to know to which list he wrote it? | 12:01 |
| jsgotangco | gnome-doc-list itself | 12:02 |
| dholbach | ok | 12:02 |
| dholbach | jsgotangco, well-informed as always | 12:02 |
| dholbach | :) | 12:02 |
| jsgotangco | i think the desktop guide itself is updated for 2.10 | 12:02 |
| jsgotangco | but yelp still shows it as 2.6 | 12:03 |
| jsgotangco | obviously the omf file isn't updated | 12:03 |
| dholbach | ah right | 12:03 |
| jsgotangco | it seems i am the only one here who actually cares for yelp | 12:03 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 12:04 |
| jsgotangco | 2005-03-08: 2.10 (Shaun McCance) | 12:04 |
| jsgotangco | September 2004: GNOME 2.8 Desktop User Guide V2.8 | 12:04 |
| dholbach | they seem to have a #docs channel | 12:04 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 12:04 |
| dholbach | i just read the "User Guide needs you" | 12:04 |
| jsgotangco | see | 12:05 |
| jsgotangco | i'd love to work upstream if i had the time | 12:05 |
| dholbach | yeah | 12:05 |
| dholbach | it's a tough job | 12:05 |
| dholbach | and a not-so-well-rewarded one :( | 12:05 |
| jsgotangco | gnome docs has been neglegted really | 12:06 |
| dholbach | yeah, it's really sad - they formed the best desktop system, but didn't explain it :) | 12:07 |
| jsgotangco | if i wasn't doing anything i'd do it myself | 12:07 |
| jsgotangco | but it seems even opening up the doc to the wiki isn't working | 12:08 |
| ajmitch | hi dholbach, you've decided to visit as well? ;) | 12:09 |
| dholbach | yeah :) | 12:09 |
| jsgotangco | lots of people seem to like visiting the desert huh | 12:09 |
| dholbach | haha | 12:09 |
| ajmitch | so much good stuff in gnome | 12:09 |
| ajmitch | so much that probably still needs documented | 12:10 |
| dholbach | i wish i could help you, but i daresay my efforts better go in elsewhere | 12:10 |
| dholbach | users wouldnt understand me :) | 12:10 |
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| ajmitch | dholbach: write the sysadmin guide! :) | 12:10 |
| jsgotangco | dholbach, right, if i did work on gnome docs, id rather work directly to gnome and leave ubuntu docs work | 12:10 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: man, i better get cracking on the bugs matt assigned me | 12:11 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: that's of more use, i suppose | 12:11 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: certainly | 12:11 |
| dholbach | :) | 12:11 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: want me to look at any? :) | 12:11 |
| dholbach | http://tinyurl.com/drk8z - http://tinyurl.com/96e4l :) | 12:11 |
| dholbach | but i guess this is the wrong channel to lament about that | 12:12 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 12:12 |
| ajmitch | we'll head back to -desktop & whinge there ;) | 12:12 |
| jsgotangco | ok i gotta go do some groceries first | 12:15 |
| dholbach | have fun, jerome :) | 12:17 |
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| segfault | hi | 04:07 |
| segfault | my the pt_BR translation of aboutubuntu isn't in the ubuntu-docs package? | 04:07 |
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| segfault | err, why. | 04:17 |
| segfault | jbailey: are you around? | 04:17 |
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| mdke | segfault, that has not been done yet | 05:23 |
| mdke | only the english version is in there to my knowledge | 05:23 |
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| jbailey | segfault: Am now. | 05:43 |
| mdke | jbailey, he wanted to know how you are getting on with getting the relevant translations into the distro | 05:53 |
| jbailey | Right now so far I'm just updating the package manually. | 05:54 |
| jbailey | From whatever's committed to the branch. | 05:54 |
| jbailey | I need to clean it up more to remove the entity errors that are there. | 05:54 |
| mdke | k | 05:55 |
| mdke | so are the translations that are uploaded already working in Breezy? | 05:55 |
| jbailey | Yes, except for Tunesian and Portuguese. | 05:55 |
| jbailey | I tested all of the others. | 05:55 |
| mdke | wow | 05:55 |
| mdke | how come the stuff isn't in /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-docs btw? | 05:56 |
| jbailey | I put them where the gnome stuff seemed happiest to have it for yelp. | 05:57 |
| mdke | ah ok | 05:57 |
| jbailey | If it's wrong, please let me know. =) | 05:57 |
| mdke | don't think it matters, was just curious | 05:57 |
| jbailey | But I just ripped apart a few other scrollkeeper docs, and the OMF files that were in there already generally pointed to those locations. | 05:58 |
| mdke | the faqguide is at usr/share/ubuntu-docs and the quicktour html is at /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-docs | 05:58 |
| jbailey | Part of me was thinking that I might generate the HTML files as well and still register them with doc-base. | 05:58 |
| mdke | ah cool | 05:58 |
| jbailey | Yeah. | 05:58 |
| jbailey | I wonder if I should move it. | 05:58 |
| mdke | up to you | 05:58 |
| mdke | by the way, i will keep updating those tarballs of translations for about-ubuntu and faqguide | 05:58 |
| mdke | do you want me to make some xml files manually, or do you think that script is doable? | 05:59 |
| jbailey | I just need the time to do it. Do you mind doing another update? | 06:00 |
| jbailey | I'll ping pitti now. | 06:00 |
| mdke | jbailey, the latest one was last night, but we can keep doing them all the time, the key is to get the script which converts the tarballs to xml | 06:00 |
| mdke | jbailey, did you see my mail about that script? | 06:01 |
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| pitti | Hi | 06:02 |
| jbailey | mdke: I did. | 06:02 |
| jbailey | Martin! | 06:02 |
| mdke | hi pitti | 06:02 |
| mdke | jbailey, great | 06:03 |
| jbailey | pitti: mdke has a script for exporting the rosetta stuff and reassembling the XML. | 06:03 |
| mdke | erm... | 06:03 |
| mdke | do I? | 06:03 |
| jbailey | mdke: Did I misunderstand the script? | 06:03 |
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| pitti | erm, for which context? | 06:03 |
| jbailey | I might be confused, it happens often. | 06:03 |
| mdke | ok i'll start from the beginning | 06:03 |
| mdke | pitti, we are translating our docs in rosetta | 06:03 |
| mdke | we need to convert em from po->xml and then upload to breezy | 06:04 |
| jbailey | Ah, no script, just instructions. =) | 06:04 |
| mdke | jbailey, i understood you to be offering to write such a po->xml script ;) | 06:04 |
| jbailey | Right. =) | 06:04 |
| mdke | i am incapable :D | 06:04 |
| pitti | ah :-) | 06:04 |
| jbailey | That's why I was thinking of scripts. | 06:04 |
| jbailey | My confusion. | 06:04 |
| jbailey | pitti: Is there any possibility of hooking this into the langpack exports? | 06:04 |
| pitti | jbailey: you mean building new XML files and build -docs packages? | 06:05 |
| pitti | that's certainly doable | 06:05 |
| jbailey | Well, I don't know if it should be new -docs packages. | 06:05 |
| mdke | i suppose at the worst you could make ubuntu-docs-cc and get the language selector to choose them | 06:05 |
| jbailey | Or something added to the langpack and just rerun scrollkeeper. | 06:05 |
| pitti | it doesn't fit into the current concept of the language pack builder, but it could become a separate script | 06:06 |
| jbailey | pitti: I think the docs are generally small enough to be just generally included. | 06:06 |
| pitti | jbailey: yes, right, that would be possible, too | 06:06 |
| pitti | jbailey: right now langpack-o-matic does not have that facility, but I'll think about a reasonably general implementation | 06:06 |
| pitti | is this planned for breezy? | 06:07 |
| mdke | heh | 06:07 |
| mdke | what I had in mind was pulling the po's down manually, getting a script to create the xml, and uploading them to breezy either through ubuntu-docs-cc or ubuntu-docs itself | 06:07 |
| jbailey | pitti: Well it's a general feature that would be lovely for breezy but if not, then not. | 06:08 |
| mdke | if the former (ubuntu-docs-cc), we'd need the language selector involved, i think | 06:08 |
| jbailey | mdke: Yeah. But since ubuntu-docs is part of the base install, I don't see why we wouldn't just include it in the langpack directly. | 06:10 |
| segfault | HI! | 06:11 |
| mdke | jbailey, i kind of assumed we couldn't do that, but if pitti can do it, then awesome | 06:11 |
| segfault | what happened to pt_BR translations? | 06:11 |
| segfault | i don't see it in ubuntu-docs | 06:11 |
| jbailey | mdke: pitti is *magic* | 06:11 |
| mdke | segfault, possibly we haven't generated the xml file yet | 06:11 |
| jbailey | segfault: I don't remember seeing a pt_BR on the branch. | 06:12 |
| mdke | exactly | 06:12 |
| jbailey | segfault: There was a pt. I didn't work, and I don't know why yet. | 06:12 |
| segfault | we translated everything in Rosetta. | 06:12 |
| mdke | segfault, we haven't created the documents yet | 06:12 |
| mdke | give us some time :) | 06:12 |
| pitti | jbailey: for starters, I'd just put the "update" script into the ubuntu-docs source packages and call it if necessary | 06:12 |
| pitti | jbailey: once that works, I can integrate it into langpack-o-matic proper | 06:12 |
| pitti | what do you think about this? | 06:12 |
| segfault | do i need to send it to the svn repo? | 06:12 |
| pitti | I think that should be doable for Breezy | 06:13 |
| mdke | segfault, no | 06:13 |
| segfault | i thought you guys were getting everything from roesetta | 06:13 |
| mdke | segfault, we are | 06:13 |
| jbailey | pitti: Sure. I can do weekly checks to see whether or not any new translations have appeared and upload them. | 06:13 |
| mdke | segfault, i mean "no", as in "you don't have to send it", because we'll do it | 06:13 |
| segfault | sure | 06:13 |
| segfault | how about images? | 06:14 |
| jbailey | pitti: And then once we've proven the scripts, move it to the langpacks? | 06:14 |
| mdke | segfault, we haven't got a plan for them | 06:14 |
| segfault | http://www.ubuntubrasil.org/docs/about-ubuntu/about-ubuntu.pt_BR.html | 06:14 |
| segfault | i put a preview here, with the translated image. | 06:14 |
| segfault | or shouldn't i translate the default ubuntu image? | 06:14 |
| mdke | segfault, probably not i would say | 06:15 |
| mdke | although that is nice | 06:15 |
| pitti | jbailey: yes, that's the idea | 06:15 |
| jbailey | Does Rosetta handle images? | 06:15 |
| pitti | jbailey: then we also move the documentation to the langpack debs itself? | 06:15 |
| mdke | jbailey, nope | 06:15 |
| pitti | jbailey: do do you think it's better to upload a new autogenerated ubuntu-docs? | 06:15 |
| jbailey | The problem with the ubuntu-docs is then you carry baggage from language that you don't care about. | 06:16 |
| mdke | what about the ubuntu-docs-cc idea? | 06:16 |
| jbailey | mdke: I just wonder if it's worth the hassle of figuring out how to install them and such when there's already a general langpack. | 06:18 |
| pitti | mdke: splitting is probably too heavy | 06:18 |
| jbailey | The only reasoan I can think of to make it a separate package is if there's people who would unisntall just that. | 06:18 |
| pitti | mdke: I mean, it's not worth it | 06:18 |
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| mdke | fair play | 06:18 |
| mdke | stick everything in ubuntu-docs for now is my opinion then, but I don't know much about it | 06:19 |
| jbailey | Matthew said it, it must be right. I'll do that ;) | 06:19 |
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| jbailey | =) | 06:19 |
| jbailey | pitti: Do we have easy access to do automated uploads, or should I do them by hand for now? | 06:20 |
| mdke | jbailey, so if I upload tarballs of po's from rosetta, is that script for po->xml doable? | 06:20 |
| jbailey | I'm assuming it would pull from a bzr branch or something? | 06:20 |
| pitti | jbailey: right now I do it as a special language pack user, which has its own GPG key | 06:20 |
| jbailey | mdke: It looks like a doable thing from the commands you gave. | 06:21 |
| pitti | jbailey: so I can upload 400 packages at once without typing my passphrase | 06:21 |
| mdke | cool | 06:21 |
| jbailey | What? No gpg-agent? =) | 06:21 |
| pitti | jbailey: but this key can only upload packages language-pack-* | 06:21 |
| jbailey | Did you arrange that with elmo or inifinity? | 06:21 |
| pitti | jbailey: I tried to use gpg-agent, but it doesn't work with gpg | 06:21 |
| jbailey | Err. =) | 06:21 |
| pitti | jbailey: and gpg2 immediately crashes, so I gave up and just use gnome-gpg at home | 06:21 |
| jbailey | 'fair nuff. | 06:21 |
| pitti | jbailey: anyway, I arranged that with elmo | 06:22 |
| pitti | jbailey: it would be easy to add the "ubuntu-docs" package to the allowed list for the langpack key | 06:22 |
| jbailey | pitti: Do you do it by hand right now or is it automated? | 06:22 |
| pitti | jbailey: uploading langpacks? | 06:22 |
| jbailey | Da. | 06:22 |
| pitti | jbailey: well, I manually have to call the process, i. e. call one script to generate the source packages | 06:23 |
| jbailey | 'k, so I'm not worried about it right now. | 06:23 |
| mdke | ok i'm gonna leave you guys to it | 06:23 |
| pitti | then I build some manmually, test them, then I call another script which mass-builds changes files and uploads them | 06:23 |
| jbailey | I'll worry about integrated it later to protect against me getting hit by a bus. | 06:23 |
| mdke | jbailey, let me know how you get on by email ya? | 06:23 |
| jbailey | Sure. =0 | 06:23 |
| mdke | rockin | 06:24 |
| pitti | jbailey: right now my gut feeling is that keeping a single "ubuntu-docs" package is the right thing as long as it stays reasonably small | 06:24 |
| jbailey | My only issue there is that screen shots and whatnot might inflate the package. | 06:26 |
| jbailey | But it's not the case right now. | 06:26 |
| pitti | jbailey: well, splitting later is always easy | 06:27 |
| pitti | for Breezy we should probably keep it as it is now | 06:27 |
| jbailey | Oh, definetly. | 06:27 |
| jbailey | Through the dapper cycle from the beginning I will to weekly uploads. | 06:28 |
| pitti | jbailey: we can automate that then | 06:28 |
| pitti | jbailey: by that time we should have the Rosetta stuff running, and I'll automate langpack-o-matic more | 06:28 |
| pitti | jbailey: right now it is still much manual hacking since I manually import the raw buildd output and have to babysit and care for cleanup myself | 06:29 |
| jbailey | Nyaah | 06:29 |
| jbailey | Okay, I won't inflict bits on you. =) | 06:29 |
| jbailey | pitti: Ooo! On an unrelated note... | 06:31 |
| jbailey | pitti: How do I get this into the notification applet? =) | 06:31 |
| jbailey | s/this/things/ | 06:31 |
| pitti | jbailey: just drop a file into /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/ | 06:31 |
| pitti | jbailey: u-n will pick it up through gamin | 06:31 |
| jbailey | pitti: Cool, thanks. | 06:38 |
| jbailey | pitti: What deletes them from there after? Just the package getting purged? | 06:39 |
| pitti | jbailey: yes, the package has to care for it | 06:39 |
| jbailey | Hmm. So a new user on the system sees al lthe previous notifications. | 06:39 |
| pitti | jbailey: and depending on what you do with the notificatoin, you shuold probably generate it in the postinst instead of just shipping the file | 06:39 |
| pitti | jbailey: many notifications are cleaned on boot | 06:40 |
| jbailey | Ah, okay. | 06:40 |
| jbailey | this is for glibc to say after an nss upgrade that now would be a good time to reboot. | 06:40 |
| jbailey | So I can do that, too. | 06:40 |
| pitti | jbailey: yep | 06:40 |
| pitti | jbailey: I think mvo has a special flag for it which was designed for the kernel | 06:40 |
| pitti | jbailey: in case you don't have a suitable init script which could remove it | 06:41 |
| jbailey | Sure, but I could. =) | 06:42 |
| pitti | jbailey: given that we now have four packages which ask for reboot, and after a dist-upgrade it is likely that you will see all four, we should factorize them somehow | 06:44 |
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| jbailey | pitti: Yeah. | 06:44 |
| jbailey | Probably not a breezy thing, though. | 06:44 |
| pitti | yes | 06:45 |
| jbailey | It would be easy enough to have a translated file in /usr/share/doc somewhere and symlink it in. | 06:45 |
| jbailey | And any package that wants it just adds the symlink. | 06:45 |
| jbailey | And a script on reboot that deletes the symlink. | 06:45 |
| jbailey | Then you can do an infinite number on ln -sf's. =) | 06:45 |
| pitti | nice idea | 06:47 |
| pitti | maybe tell mvo in #u-d? | 06:47 |
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