=== bhuvan [n=ubuntu@nat1.sp.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === boglot [i=chaas@gw.workaround.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === asw [n=asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === boglot [i=chaas@gw.workaround.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === asw [n=asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === asw [n=asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@nat1.sp.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === philipacamaniac [n=philip@ip68-228-49-137.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === philipacamaniac [n=philip@ip68-228-49-137.tc.ph.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["I'm] === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsg_ [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:30] Burgundavia, what's with the tar.gz upload? [07:01] hi all [07:05] hey === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:44] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/ <-- "It's alive!" ;) [07:47] hehe [07:48] looks good, too [07:54] evening all [07:54] what's new? [07:56] not much here - The Fridge is running, though, which is cool Ubuntu news... [07:56] I'm sure I saw it running a week or two ago ;) [07:56] heh, OK, I"m just behind the times here... [07:57] and it's still a bit bare [07:57] good framework, though [07:57] http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?id=631 [07:57] right now it just seems like an alternate version of planet.ubuntu, though ;) [07:58] interesting link on the fridge there [08:00] which one? [08:00] the impilinux announcement [08:00] read that - actually having a look around the website it came from now [08:00] lots of Linux stuff going on in RSA these days [08:01] yeah [08:01] sabdfl is busy down there :) [08:01] yup === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@unaffiliated/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:45] that's cool, someone has finally combined the CC licences and the GPL: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/GPL/2.0/ [08:46] wow [08:48] hmm that's still the GPL but human-readable [08:48] exactly [08:50] I'm reasonable good at parsing legal docs, but the GPL defeats me - CC is just so much easier... [08:50] *reasonably, not reasonable... [09:39] Onubalinux? [09:47] umm, did anyone else have to dist-update to get the new ubuntu-docs package? [09:51] of course [09:51] or its already seeded [09:51] rob^, the faqguide looks really trashy in some chapters [09:51] it was holding it back [09:51] jsgotangco, which ones? [09:51] rob^, force it :) [09:51] yeah I did [09:52] rob^, some chapters don't have linkx [09:52] items i mean [09:52] I think something odd is going on, all of the credits and stuff are missing too [09:52] oh the credits are fine [09:53] some of the entities are just not packaged yet [09:53] ooh ouch.. eg: Register free Dynamic DNS at . [09:53] wtf is up with that? [09:53] rob^, yes see that? [09:53] yeah.. odd it wasn't doing that before [09:53] my guess is that its with the entities [09:53] which are not included yet [09:54] so this issue will fix itself up when jbailey includes the entities file? [09:54] also, on the yelp front page, the faqguide is listed as "Unofficial Ubuntu 5.10 Starter Guide [09:54] " [09:54] heh i should fix it myself later [09:58] thats easy to sort out, probably from the old omf file [09:59] umm, so why are the credits etc removed, I thought this page was a requirement of one of the licences [09:59] well, at least the revision history anyway [10:00] they're not [10:00] (i can see them here) [10:01] they are missing when I view the faqguide from the ubuntu-docs package in yelp [10:01] hmm [10:03] when I view the faqguide from branch I get a few more of the missing pages back, but still no credits page, although in the xml file its clearly there [10:05] maybe yelp doesn't support tags? [10:39] mdke, what email is this? === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dholbach [i=foobar@i577B17DA.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:55] heya! :) [11:55] hey dholbach [11:55] you seem lost [11:55] lost? [11:55] heh [11:56] what brings you to this desert wasteland [11:56] haha :) [11:56] is that so? [11:57] whats up? [11:57] i wanted to ask the team's advice on http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/8595 [11:57] it's about gnome's user-guide === jsgotangco wonders where is the team === jsgotangco checks [11:58] i'll get an update from GNOME's cvs but i daresay it won't be enough to be up to scratch concerning 2.12 [12:00] upstream isn't updated [12:00] there is an email a few weeks ago by Shaun McCance to have the user guide updated for 2.12 [12:00] but that was a few days after 2.12 was released [12:01] ok, so you'd suggest i check for updates occasionally? [12:01] do you happen to know to which list he wrote it? [12:02] gnome-doc-list itself [12:02] ok [12:02] jsgotangco, well-informed as always [12:02] :) [12:02] i think the desktop guide itself is updated for 2.10 [12:03] but yelp still shows it as 2.6 [12:03] obviously the omf file isn't updated [12:03] ah right [12:03] it seems i am the only one here who actually cares for yelp [12:04] hehe [12:04] 2005-03-08: 2.10 (Shaun McCance) [12:04] September 2004: GNOME 2.8 Desktop User Guide V2.8 [12:04] they seem to have a #docs channel [12:04] yeah [12:04] i just read the "User Guide needs you" [12:05] see [12:05] i'd love to work upstream if i had the time [12:05] yeah [12:05] it's a tough job [12:05] and a not-so-well-rewarded one :( [12:06] gnome docs has been neglegted really [12:07] yeah, it's really sad - they formed the best desktop system, but didn't explain it :) [12:07] if i wasn't doing anything i'd do it myself [12:08] but it seems even opening up the doc to the wiki isn't working [12:09] hi dholbach, you've decided to visit as well? ;) [12:09] yeah :) [12:09] lots of people seem to like visiting the desert huh [12:09] haha [12:09] so much good stuff in gnome [12:10] so much that probably still needs documented [12:10] i wish i could help you, but i daresay my efforts better go in elsewhere [12:10] users wouldnt understand me :) === ajmitch imagines the sysadmin guide for desktop management will be *really* welcomed for dapper [12:10] dholbach: write the sysadmin guide! :) [12:10] dholbach, right, if i did work on gnome docs, id rather work directly to gnome and leave ubuntu docs work [12:11] ajmitch: man, i better get cracking on the bugs matt assigned me [12:11] ajmitch: that's of more use, i suppose [12:11] dholbach: certainly [12:11] :) [12:11] dholbach: want me to look at any? :) [12:11] http://tinyurl.com/drk8z - http://tinyurl.com/96e4l :) [12:12] but i guess this is the wrong channel to lament about that [12:12] yeah [12:12] we'll head back to -desktop & whinge there ;) [12:15] ok i gotta go do some groceries first [12:17] have fun, jerome :) === dand [n=dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === otep [n=paltok@AP-203.167.31.158.sysads.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === macgyver2 [n=eric@unaffiliated/macgyver2] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-27-238.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === arny [n=arny@86.125.72.13] has joined #ubuntu-doc === arny is now known as arny` === dholbach [i=foobar@i577B17DA.versanet.de] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] [04:07] hi [04:07] my the pt_BR translation of aboutubuntu isn't in the ubuntu-docs package? === arny` [n=arny@86.125.72.13] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === dand [n=dand@83.103.205.67] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:17] err, why. [04:17] jbailey: are you around? === bojicas [n=bojicas@217.164.203.189] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:23] segfault, that has not been done yet [05:23] only the english version is in there to my knowledge === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico_ [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:43] segfault: Am now. [05:53] jbailey, he wanted to know how you are getting on with getting the relevant translations into the distro [05:54] Right now so far I'm just updating the package manually. [05:54] From whatever's committed to the branch. [05:54] I need to clean it up more to remove the entity errors that are there. [05:55] k [05:55] so are the translations that are uploaded already working in Breezy? [05:55] Yes, except for Tunesian and Portuguese. [05:55] I tested all of the others. [05:55] wow [05:56] how come the stuff isn't in /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-docs btw? [05:57] I put them where the gnome stuff seemed happiest to have it for yelp. [05:57] ah ok [05:57] If it's wrong, please let me know. =) [05:57] don't think it matters, was just curious [05:58] But I just ripped apart a few other scrollkeeper docs, and the OMF files that were in there already generally pointed to those locations. [05:58] the faqguide is at usr/share/ubuntu-docs and the quicktour html is at /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-docs [05:58] Part of me was thinking that I might generate the HTML files as well and still register them with doc-base. [05:58] ah cool [05:58] Yeah. [05:58] I wonder if I should move it. [05:58] up to you [05:58] by the way, i will keep updating those tarballs of translations for about-ubuntu and faqguide [05:59] do you want me to make some xml files manually, or do you think that script is doable? [06:00] I just need the time to do it. Do you mind doing another update? [06:00] I'll ping pitti now. [06:00] jbailey, the latest one was last night, but we can keep doing them all the time, the key is to get the script which converts the tarballs to xml [06:01] jbailey, did you see my mail about that script? === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:02] Hi [06:02] mdke: I did. [06:02] Martin! [06:02] hi pitti [06:03] jbailey, great [06:03] pitti: mdke has a script for exporting the rosetta stuff and reassembling the XML. [06:03] erm... [06:03] do I? [06:03] mdke: Did I misunderstand the script? === jbailey digs through [06:03] erm, for which context? [06:03] I might be confused, it happens often. [06:03] ok i'll start from the beginning [06:03] pitti, we are translating our docs in rosetta [06:04] we need to convert em from po->xml and then upload to breezy [06:04] Ah, no script, just instructions. =) [06:04] jbailey, i understood you to be offering to write such a po->xml script ;) [06:04] Right. =) [06:04] i am incapable :D [06:04] ah :-) [06:04] That's why I was thinking of scripts. [06:04] My confusion. [06:04] pitti: Is there any possibility of hooking this into the langpack exports? [06:05] jbailey: you mean building new XML files and build -docs packages? [06:05] that's certainly doable [06:05] Well, I don't know if it should be new -docs packages. [06:05] i suppose at the worst you could make ubuntu-docs-cc and get the language selector to choose them [06:05] Or something added to the langpack and just rerun scrollkeeper. [06:06] it doesn't fit into the current concept of the language pack builder, but it could become a separate script [06:06] pitti: I think the docs are generally small enough to be just generally included. [06:06] jbailey: yes, right, that would be possible, too [06:06] jbailey: right now langpack-o-matic does not have that facility, but I'll think about a reasonably general implementation [06:07] is this planned for breezy? [06:07] heh [06:07] what I had in mind was pulling the po's down manually, getting a script to create the xml, and uploading them to breezy either through ubuntu-docs-cc or ubuntu-docs itself [06:08] pitti: Well it's a general feature that would be lovely for breezy but if not, then not. [06:08] if the former (ubuntu-docs-cc), we'd need the language selector involved, i think [06:10] mdke: Yeah. But since ubuntu-docs is part of the base install, I don't see why we wouldn't just include it in the langpack directly. [06:11] HI! [06:11] jbailey, i kind of assumed we couldn't do that, but if pitti can do it, then awesome [06:11] what happened to pt_BR translations? [06:11] i don't see it in ubuntu-docs [06:11] mdke: pitti is *magic* [06:11] segfault, possibly we haven't generated the xml file yet [06:12] segfault: I don't remember seeing a pt_BR on the branch. [06:12] exactly [06:12] segfault: There was a pt. I didn't work, and I don't know why yet. [06:12] we translated everything in Rosetta. [06:12] segfault, we haven't created the documents yet [06:12] give us some time :) [06:12] jbailey: for starters, I'd just put the "update" script into the ubuntu-docs source packages and call it if necessary [06:12] jbailey: once that works, I can integrate it into langpack-o-matic proper [06:12] what do you think about this? [06:12] do i need to send it to the svn repo? [06:13] I think that should be doable for Breezy [06:13] segfault, no [06:13] i thought you guys were getting everything from roesetta [06:13] segfault, we are [06:13] pitti: Sure. I can do weekly checks to see whether or not any new translations have appeared and upload them. [06:13] segfault, i mean "no", as in "you don't have to send it", because we'll do it [06:13] sure [06:14] how about images? [06:14] pitti: And then once we've proven the scripts, move it to the langpacks? [06:14] segfault, we haven't got a plan for them [06:14] http://www.ubuntubrasil.org/docs/about-ubuntu/about-ubuntu.pt_BR.html [06:14] i put a preview here, with the translated image. [06:14] or shouldn't i translate the default ubuntu image? [06:15] segfault, probably not i would say [06:15] although that is nice [06:15] jbailey: yes, that's the idea [06:15] Does Rosetta handle images? [06:15] jbailey: then we also move the documentation to the langpack debs itself? [06:15] jbailey, nope [06:15] jbailey: do do you think it's better to upload a new autogenerated ubuntu-docs? [06:16] The problem with the ubuntu-docs is then you carry baggage from language that you don't care about. [06:16] what about the ubuntu-docs-cc idea? [06:18] mdke: I just wonder if it's worth the hassle of figuring out how to install them and such when there's already a general langpack. [06:18] mdke: splitting is probably too heavy [06:18] The only reasoan I can think of to make it a separate package is if there's people who would unisntall just that. [06:18] mdke: I mean, it's not worth it === jbailey imagines one of his mentors voices: "What problem is this trying to solve?" [06:18] fair play [06:19] stick everything in ubuntu-docs for now is my opinion then, but I don't know much about it [06:19] Matthew said it, it must be right. I'll do that ;) === jbailey hides [06:19] =) [06:20] pitti: Do we have easy access to do automated uploads, or should I do them by hand for now? [06:20] jbailey, so if I upload tarballs of po's from rosetta, is that script for po->xml doable? [06:20] I'm assuming it would pull from a bzr branch or something? [06:20] jbailey: right now I do it as a special language pack user, which has its own GPG key [06:21] mdke: It looks like a doable thing from the commands you gave. [06:21] jbailey: so I can upload 400 packages at once without typing my passphrase [06:21] cool [06:21] What? No gpg-agent? =) [06:21] jbailey: but this key can only upload packages language-pack-* [06:21] Did you arrange that with elmo or inifinity? [06:21] jbailey: I tried to use gpg-agent, but it doesn't work with gpg [06:21] Err. =) [06:21] jbailey: and gpg2 immediately crashes, so I gave up and just use gnome-gpg at home [06:21] 'fair nuff. [06:22] jbailey: anyway, I arranged that with elmo [06:22] jbailey: it would be easy to add the "ubuntu-docs" package to the allowed list for the langpack key [06:22] pitti: Do you do it by hand right now or is it automated? [06:22] jbailey: uploading langpacks? [06:22] Da. [06:23] jbailey: well, I manually have to call the process, i. e. call one script to generate the source packages [06:23] 'k, so I'm not worried about it right now. [06:23] ok i'm gonna leave you guys to it [06:23] then I build some manmually, test them, then I call another script which mass-builds changes files and uploads them [06:23] I'll worry about integrated it later to protect against me getting hit by a bus. [06:23] jbailey, let me know how you get on by email ya? [06:23] Sure. =0 [06:24] rockin [06:24] jbailey: right now my gut feeling is that keeping a single "ubuntu-docs" package is the right thing as long as it stays reasonably small [06:26] My only issue there is that screen shots and whatnot might inflate the package. [06:26] But it's not the case right now. [06:27] jbailey: well, splitting later is always easy [06:27] for Breezy we should probably keep it as it is now [06:27] Oh, definetly. [06:28] Through the dapper cycle from the beginning I will to weekly uploads. [06:28] jbailey: we can automate that then [06:28] jbailey: by that time we should have the Rosetta stuff running, and I'll automate langpack-o-matic more [06:29] jbailey: right now it is still much manual hacking since I manually import the raw buildd output and have to babysit and care for cleanup myself [06:29] Nyaah [06:29] Okay, I won't inflict bits on you. =) [06:31] pitti: Ooo! On an unrelated note... [06:31] pitti: How do I get this into the notification applet? =) [06:31] s/this/things/ [06:31] jbailey: just drop a file into /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/ [06:31] jbailey: u-n will pick it up through gamin [06:38] pitti: Cool, thanks. [06:39] pitti: What deletes them from there after? Just the package getting purged? [06:39] jbailey: yes, the package has to care for it [06:39] Hmm. So a new user on the system sees al lthe previous notifications. [06:39] jbailey: and depending on what you do with the notificatoin, you shuold probably generate it in the postinst instead of just shipping the file [06:40] jbailey: many notifications are cleaned on boot [06:40] Ah, okay. [06:40] this is for glibc to say after an nss upgrade that now would be a good time to reboot. [06:40] So I can do that, too. [06:40] jbailey: yep [06:40] jbailey: I think mvo has a special flag for it which was designed for the kernel [06:41] jbailey: in case you don't have a suitable init script which could remove it [06:42] Sure, but I could. =) [06:44] jbailey: given that we now have four packages which ask for reboot, and after a dist-upgrade it is likely that you will see all four, we should factorize them somehow === spayne [n=spayne@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:44] pitti: Yeah. [06:44] Probably not a breezy thing, though. [06:45] yes [06:45] It would be easy enough to have a translated file in /usr/share/doc somewhere and symlink it in. [06:45] And any package that wants it just adds the symlink. [06:45] And a script on reboot that deletes the symlink. [06:45] Then you can do an infinite number on ln -sf's. =) [06:47] nice idea [06:47] maybe tell mvo in #u-d? === bhuvan [n=ubuntu@nat1.sp.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === dand [n=dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-27-238.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@unaffiliated/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc