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| BenC | how do you disable dma for ide on the kernel command line? | 01:17 |
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| lamont | [drm:radeon_cp_init] *ERROR* radeon_cp_init called without lock held | 03:28 |
| lamont | [drm:drm_unlock] *ERROR* Process 5356 using kernel context 0 | 03:28 |
| lamont | top-of-branch | 03:28 |
| === lamont needs to figure out the best/simplest way to have hppa&ia64 use mkinitrd instead of mkinitramfs for 2.6.12 | ||
| lamont | that is, so that virgin installs do the right thing (and boot) | 05:28 |
| lamont | because not booting is, well,m bad | 05:28 |
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| lamont | hdc: cdrom_pc_intr: The drive appears confused (ireason = 0x01) | 06:17 |
| lamont | kew;l | 06:17 |
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| fabbione | ehhe | 08:07 |
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| kikov | sorry by this stupid question: how is the official package name for kernel in Ubuntu? | 03:29 |
| kikov | kernel-image or linux-image? | 03:29 |
| kikov | well, kernel or linux? | 03:29 |
| kikov | or both? | 03:30 |
| kikov | which are the differences? | 03:30 |
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| mjg59 | kikov: linux-image | 03:30 |
| kikov | ok.. and why kernel-patch-vserver depends on kernel-sources? ( instead linux-sources ) | 03:31 |
| kikov | well.. not depend, suggest: Suggests: util-vserver, kernel-source-2.4.27 | kernel-source-2.6.8 | kernel-source-2.6.11 | 03:31 |
| mjg59 | Because it's been imported from Debian without modification | 03:31 |
| kikov | ok.. thx | 03:32 |
| kikov | I'm going to play a little bit with it | 03:32 |
| kikov | if everything is OK with 2.6.12, we could add Suggests: linux-source-2.6.12 to suggestions | 03:32 |
| fabbione | BenC: ping? | 03:34 |
| kikov | umm, the diff file should be included | 03:37 |
| kikov | mjg59, and another question.. how can I know the version of the linux-sources? | 03:38 |
| kikov | well.. 2.6.12 is good, but I still need the other microversion | 03:38 |
| kikov | 2.6.12.4 and so... | 03:38 |
| fabbione | .6 | 03:39 |
| fabbione | check the changelo | 03:39 |
| fabbione | +g | 03:39 |
| zul | bleah | 03:39 |
| fabbione | hey zul | 03:39 |
| zul | hey fabbione | 03:39 |
| fabbione | what's up? | 03:40 |
| zul | bleha...work | 03:40 |
| zul | is dapper sources published somewhere? | 03:40 |
| fabbione | nope | 03:41 |
| fabbione | there is no dapper yet :) | 03:41 |
| zul | okie dokie | 03:41 |
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| fabbione | BenC: unping.. | 03:55 |
| zul | have i been missing alot? | 04:09 |
| fabbione | zul: the end of the world? | 04:13 |
| BenC | anyone know who jdthood@yahoo.co.uk is? | 04:15 |
| zul | jdthood | 04:16 |
| fabbione | BenC: yeah.. alsa guy | 04:16 |
| zul | he is on -devel | 04:16 |
| zul | er #ubuntu-devel | 04:16 |
| fabbione | BenC: i got the fixes for hw-detection ready for upload.. waiting approval | 04:16 |
| fabbione | BenC: also.. fixed console-data | 04:16 |
| BenC | cool | 04:16 |
| fabbione | BenC: and got davem to install Ubuntu sparc :) | 04:16 |
| BenC | sweet :) | 04:17 |
| fabbione | BenC: time to start building a community | 04:17 |
| BenC | yeah, I've told him I moved to ubuntu, and that we will do it right :) | 04:17 |
| fabbione | #ubuntu-sparc is open for business :) | 04:17 |
| fabbione | BenC: yeah.. he thought that you did all of it :) | 04:17 |
| fabbione | but yes.. we have a playground area | 04:17 |
| BenC | I couldn't do sparc right with Debian simply because no one believed the technical arguments dave and I were pushing | 04:17 |
| fabbione | and given we are 3 sane people | 04:18 |
| BenC | lol | 04:18 |
| fabbione | so yes. we can do whatever we want (or almost | 04:18 |
| fabbione | I need to talk with Mark to get the buildd's in place | 04:19 |
| BenC | so sparc will actually be "stable" with breezy, just not supported, right? | 04:19 |
| BenC | you did a kick ass job getting all that done, btw | 04:20 |
| BenC | I remember how much work that was when I took over debian-sparc | 04:20 |
| BenC | not fun at all | 04:20 |
| fabbione | BenC: yes.. we should be able to release together with Breezy | 04:21 |
| fabbione | stable, but not supported | 04:21 |
| fabbione | hoary didn't make it for a package | 04:21 |
| BenC | IBM R30 laptops seem to have the most trouble right now | 04:21 |
| BenC | maybe I need to get one | 04:21 |
| fabbione | BenC: eheh why buying crappy hw? | 04:22 |
| fabbione | i will probable buy a powerbook before UBZ | 04:22 |
| fabbione | my laptop is falling apart | 04:22 |
| fabbione | (hw-detect fixes uploaded) | 04:22 |
| fabbione | BenC: tomorrow it will be a very good day to test the installer | 04:23 |
| fabbione | i don't remember if hw-detect is downloaded or part of d-i | 04:23 |
| fabbione | in the latter case we need to wait a d-i upload | 04:23 |
| fabbione | BenC: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/sparc.diff <- this should fit all possible SBUS crack | 04:24 |
| zul | is there a bootable cd-rom yet? | 04:25 |
| fabbione | zul: yes | 04:25 |
| fabbione | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily/current/ <- | 04:25 |
| fabbione | but it doesn't contain all the fixes from today | 04:26 |
| zul | wohoo...a reason to use my sparc again | 04:26 |
| fabbione | that are sort of important | 04:26 |
| fabbione | zul: what sparc do you have? | 04:26 |
| zul | ultra 5 i think | 04:27 |
| fabbione | ok.. | 04:27 |
| fabbione | it should be fine | 04:28 |
| fabbione | jbailey has one iirc | 04:28 |
| fabbione | zul: if you could sacrifice your sparc as test install machine, that would be really rad | 04:30 |
| fabbione | anyway.. time to go to school | 04:32 |
| fabbione | later fellas | 04:32 |
| zul | fabbione: sure.. | 04:33 |
| zul | it ran gentoo on it so yeah it should be ok | 04:35 |
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| BenC | fabbione: ping? | 05:42 |
| jbailey | fabbione: I have a U5, yes. | 05:43 |
| === jbailey misses his old U10. | ||
| jbailey | It was so lovely and special. | 05:43 |
| jbailey | Hard to find cheap *quiet* Sun hardware, though. | 05:44 |
| BenC | never heard of quiet sun hardware | 05:45 |
| BenC | the U5 wasn't too bad, but everything else I've used was hot and loud | 05:45 |
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| zul | mine has sucky hard drive and ram | 06:01 |
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| lamont-away | my SS20 isn't all that loud,.. :0) | 06:16 |
| jbailey | lamont-away: Nor are the little sunblades. =) | 06:56 |
| jbailey | I tried to acquire one of those from my previous employer, and couldn't get away with it. | 06:56 |
| jbailey | And then the U10 I was supposed to get died. | 06:56 |
| lamont-away | :-( | 06:57 |
| jbailey | I have a U5 here, it does the job (enough that I can do the glibc builds and stuff) | 06:58 |
| mkrufky | jbailey: question... are you only responsible for glibc stuff, or is it other userspace stuff too? | 07:23 |
| jbailey | I am responsible for some other userpsace stuff. | 07:24 |
| jbailey | In Ubuntu we don't have a Big Maintainer Lock on packages. | 07:24 |
| mkrufky | ok... i thought of another issue that may or may not come up: | 07:24 |
| jbailey | We all update what we need to. | 07:24 |
| mkrufky | oh, i see | 07:24 |
| jbailey | Some people are just more skilled at things so tend to get the bugs to fix. | 07:24 |
| mkrufky | ah that makes a lot of sense | 07:24 |
| mkrufky | what estimated percentage of ubuntu userbase would you guess to be americans? | 07:25 |
| jbailey | We have no way of knowing. | 07:27 |
| jbailey | The US is a hard market to crack. | 07:27 |
| mkrufky | yes this can be true | 07:28 |
| mkrufky | actually, i heard of ubuntu b/c i got a cd in the mail | 07:28 |
| mkrufky | i dont know how i got it | 07:28 |
| mkrufky | but i got 4 | 07:28 |
| mkrufky | and i gave 3 of them out to co-workers, now we all use it | 07:29 |
| mkrufky | so your promotions team is doing SOMETHING right :-) | 07:29 |
| mkrufky | anyway, the reason why i ask: | 07:29 |
| jbailey | *lol* | 07:29 |
| mkrufky | there is a package... i'm sure ubuntu has it, but i didnt look yet, called dvb-apps | 07:29 |
| mkrufky | this package contains userspace apps for testing dvb cards | 07:30 |
| mkrufky | but it only has programs that work with DVB standard | 07:30 |
| mkrufky | but, us silly americans had to be different | 07:30 |
| jbailey | dvb-utils - Viewer programs for DVB cards | 07:31 |
| mkrufky | and, just like how we dont use the metric system, America doesnt use DVB standard either... instead we have a stanbdard called ATSC | 07:31 |
| mkrufky | yes | 07:31 |
| jbailey | Isn't it NTSC? | 07:31 |
| jbailey | No, that's instead of PAL. | 07:31 |
| mkrufky | NTSC is for analog video | 07:31 |
| mkrufky | instead of PAL, correct | 07:31 |
| mkrufky | and we have ATSC for digital, instead of DVB | 07:31 |
| mkrufky | however, DVB linux project covers all standards | 07:32 |
| mkrufky | but the userspace apps currently dont have ATSC support | 07:32 |
| mkrufky | it is, however, in cvs | 07:32 |
| mkrufky | dvb-apps cvs, on linuxtv.org | 07:32 |
| mkrufky | i spoke to the guy responsible for putting out the releases of the package | 07:32 |
| mkrufky | and he said he has too much on his plate right now | 07:33 |
| mkrufky | (and he's german, so he doesnt personally need to get the ATSC stuff out there as much as I do) | 07:33 |
| mkrufky | anyway, i'm just giving a heads up, that since 2.6.12 supports DVB, and there is some ATSC support already in that kernel, you might have some users asking why the dvb-utils package doesnt work with their hardware | 07:34 |
| mkrufky | and this is the reason | 07:34 |
| jbailey | Ah, hmm | 07:35 |
| jbailey | There's no reasonable way to put that heads up in a package. | 07:35 |
| mkrufky | well, the right thing to do would be to get my guy to push out the next release | 07:35 |
| mkrufky | hopefully he'll do it within a month of two | 07:36 |
| mkrufky | but if you guys want to, there's nothing wrong with updating from cvs | 07:36 |
| Mithrandir | it's a bit too late for breezy, but should be well in the time frame for dapper | 07:36 |
| mkrufky | the two programs that you should include are: atscscan and azap | 07:36 |
| mkrufky | ah, okay ... thats fine | 07:36 |
| mkrufky | but now u know about it... in case the problem arises | 07:37 |
| Mithrandir | since we have a release in two weeks, we're trying to stabilize as much as possible. | 07:37 |
| mkrufky | ya its cool | 07:37 |
| Mithrandir | nice to know, though, so we can point people in the right direction if the question comes up | 07:37 |
| mkrufky | and quite honestly, i think the next version will be released in time for dapper | 07:37 |
| mkrufky | yes, exactly | 07:37 |
| jbailey | mkrufky: Are you interested in helping keep those packages up to date in dapper? | 07:38 |
| mkrufky | yes... | 07:39 |
| jbailey | It's easy enough if you and a couple other people want to give them some love. | 07:39 |
| mkrufky | ya, that would be fine with me | 07:39 |
| jbailey | For something as specialised as that, the best our MOTU team can do is inherit from Debian. | 07:39 |
| mkrufky | hmm... so it would actually make better sense for me to make debian packages | 07:39 |
| jbailey | mkrufky: Remind me after breezy releases. I can introduce you to ogra and dholbach | 07:39 |
| jbailey | Either way. | 07:39 |
| mkrufky | ah, okay cool | 07:39 |
| jbailey | It depends how much you're tying them to updates done in Ubuntu's kernel. | 07:40 |
| mkrufky | do u guys send packages back to debian folks? | 07:40 |
| jbailey | For things that are that tightly integrated, it might not make sense. | 07:40 |
| jbailey | We try to send changes back. | 07:40 |
| jbailey | But Debian as its own process for getting new packages in. If we have something they don't have, it's hard to offer it back. | 07:40 |
| mkrufky | i see. | 07:40 |
| jbailey | If you have time/patience to work with getting thepackage into Debian, we can just easily synchronise from there. | 07:41 |
| mkrufky | hmmm maybe that would be a better route, this way all debian-based distros can benefit | 07:41 |
| mkrufky | we'll see... id still like to meet those ppl u speak of | 07:41 |
| jbailey | Sure. I don't know who's involved on the Debian side. | 07:42 |
| jbailey | Or you mean in Ubuntu? | 07:42 |
| jbailey | dholbach and ogra are the heads of the MOTU team, they're very nice. | 07:42 |
| jbailey | While the rest of us do packaging and sponsoring and stuff, they're responsible for working with community folks on getting other packages in, improved, etc. | 07:43 |
| mkrufky | yes.. .thats what im tlaking about | 07:43 |
| mkrufky | i could work first with ubuntu stuff, cuz i already know some of u guys | 07:43 |
| mkrufky | then we can try sending to debian... if it doesnt work, then i'll try alt routes | 07:44 |
| mkrufky | but i think debian also has the same package... just needs updating | 07:44 |
| jbailey | Right. | 07:45 |
| jbailey | What I do in those cases is I update in Ubuntu and talk to the maintainer there about synchronising from my changes. | 07:46 |
| jbailey | Sometimes they're interested, sometimes they're not. | 07:46 |
| jbailey | We can't force anything on them. | 07:46 |
| mkrufky | ay this system is crashing, need to reboot brb | 07:52 |
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| mkrufky | okay, im back .... this is my ubuntu system taht im using now..... it seems that there are memory holes | 07:59 |
| mkrufky | when i have more than 3 firefox windows open, the system becomes unstable | 08:00 |
| mkrufky | anyway, im sure this isnt the proper place to report such a bug... just sayin' | 08:00 |
| jbailey | Is it bleeding-edge up to date? | 08:10 |
| mkrufky | 1.07 | 08:11 |
| mkrufky | and i have all the ubuntu updates | 08:11 |
| mkrufky | just whetever updates i get automatically notified about | 08:11 |
| jbailey | That's generally enough. | 08:17 |
| jbailey | No idea. I have to admit that I don't use firefox. =) | 08:17 |
| mkrufky | oh ya? what do u use? | 08:33 |
| mkrufky | i use firefox here at work to set a good example.... we have mostly windows machines here, and we discourage the use if IE | 08:34 |
| zul | er firefox is a kernel module? | 09:00 |
| zul | :) | 09:00 |
| mkrufky | no... totally off topic here | 09:02 |
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| jbailey | zul: It should be! | 09:16 |
| jbailey | WE NEED THE BROWSER INTEGRATED TO COMPETE WITH MICROSOFT! | 09:16 |
| crimsun | BenC, I'm working on a patch for #15031 | 09:17 |
| mkrufky | jbailey: LOL | 09:18 |
| BenC | crimsun: ok | 09:41 |
| fabbione | BenC: pong? | 09:44 |
| BenC | ? | 09:45 |
| BenC | hmm, oh | 09:45 |
| BenC | is that USB sec patch ok? | 09:45 |
| fabbione | BenC: no | 09:45 |
| fabbione | Linus rejected it | 09:45 |
| BenC | remove it, or is there a better one yet? | 09:45 |
| fabbione | no better one yet | 09:45 |
| fabbione | if you need to upload, just kill it | 09:45 |
| BenC | what's the subject of the thread on l-k? | 09:45 |
| fabbione | it's not on l-k afaik | 09:46 |
| fabbione | they are discussing it on vendor-sec | 09:46 |
| fabbione | but... | 09:46 |
| fabbione | http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=112766129313883 | 09:46 |
| fabbione | this was the original patch | 09:46 |
| fabbione | perhaps there are followups | 09:46 |
| zul | jbailey: isnt that gnome? | 09:48 |
| jbailey | zul: Wha? | 09:48 |
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| fabbione | good night guys | 09:59 |
| BenC | good night | 10:01 |
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| desrt | BenC; ping | 11:01 |
| desrt | BenC; is there any reason why ppc64 doesn't have CONFIG_HUGETLBFS / CONFIG_HUGETLB_PAGE turned on? | 11:02 |
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