[01:17] <BenC> how do you disable dma for ide on the kernel command line?
[03:28] <lamont> [drm:radeon_cp_init]  *ERROR* radeon_cp_init called without lock held
[03:28] <lamont> [drm:drm_unlock]  *ERROR* Process 5356 using kernel context 0
[03:28] <lamont> top-of-branch
[05:28] <lamont> that is, so that virgin installs do the right thing (and boot)
[05:28] <lamont> because not booting is, well,m bad
[06:17] <lamont> hdc: cdrom_pc_intr: The drive appears confused (ireason = 0x01)
[06:17] <lamont> kew;l
[08:07] <fabbione> ehhe
[03:29] <kikov> sorry by this stupid question: how is the official package name for kernel in Ubuntu?
[03:29] <kikov> kernel-image or linux-image?
[03:29] <kikov> well, kernel or linux?
[03:30] <kikov> or both?
[03:30] <kikov> which are the differences?
[03:30] <mjg59> kikov: linux-image
[03:31] <kikov> ok.. and why kernel-patch-vserver depends on kernel-sources? ( instead linux-sources ) 
[03:31] <kikov> well.. not depend, suggest: Suggests: util-vserver, kernel-source-2.4.27 | kernel-source-2.6.8 | kernel-source-2.6.11
[03:31] <mjg59> Because it's been imported from Debian without modification
[03:32] <kikov> ok.. thx 
[03:32] <kikov> I'm going to play a little bit with it
[03:32] <kikov> if everything is OK with 2.6.12, we could add Suggests: linux-source-2.6.12 to suggestions
[03:34] <fabbione> BenC: ping?
[03:37] <kikov> umm, the diff file should be included
[03:38] <kikov> mjg59, and another question.. how can I know the version of the linux-sources?
[03:38] <kikov> well.. 2.6.12 is good, but I still need the other microversion
[03:38] <kikov> 2.6.12.4 and so...
[03:39] <fabbione> .6
[03:39] <fabbione> check the changelo
[03:39] <fabbione> +g
[03:39] <zul> bleah
[03:39] <fabbione> hey zul
[03:39] <zul> hey fabbione 
[03:40] <fabbione> what's up?
[03:40] <zul> bleha...work
[03:40] <zul> is dapper sources published somewhere?
[03:41] <fabbione> nope
[03:41] <fabbione> there is no dapper yet :)
[03:41] <zul> okie dokie
[03:55] <fabbione> BenC: unping..
[04:09] <zul> have i been missing alot?
[04:13] <fabbione> zul: the end of the world?
[04:15] <BenC> anyone know who jdthood@yahoo.co.uk is?
[04:16] <zul> jdthood
[04:16] <fabbione> BenC: yeah.. alsa guy
[04:16] <zul> he is on -devel
[04:16] <zul> er #ubuntu-devel
[04:16] <fabbione> BenC: i got the fixes for hw-detection ready for upload.. waiting approval
[04:16] <fabbione> BenC: also.. fixed console-data
[04:16] <BenC> cool
[04:16] <fabbione> BenC: and got davem to install Ubuntu sparc :)
[04:17] <BenC> sweet :)
[04:17] <fabbione> BenC: time to start building a community
[04:17] <BenC> yeah, I've told him I moved to ubuntu, and that we will do it right :)
[04:17] <fabbione> #ubuntu-sparc is open for business :)
[04:17] <fabbione> BenC: yeah.. he thought that you did all of it :)
[04:17] <fabbione> but yes.. we have a playground area
[04:17] <BenC> I couldn't do sparc right with Debian simply because no one believed the technical arguments dave and I were pushing
[04:18] <fabbione> and given we are 3 sane people
[04:18] <BenC> lol
[04:18] <fabbione> so yes. we can do whatever we want (or almost
[04:19] <fabbione> I need to talk with Mark to get the buildd's in place
[04:19] <BenC> so sparc will actually be "stable" with breezy, just not supported, right?
[04:20] <BenC> you did a kick ass job getting all that done, btw
[04:20] <BenC> I remember how much work that was when I took over debian-sparc
[04:20] <BenC> not fun at all
[04:21] <fabbione> BenC: yes.. we should be able to release together with Breezy
[04:21] <fabbione> stable, but not supported
[04:21] <fabbione> hoary didn't make it for a package
[04:21] <BenC> IBM R30 laptops seem to have the most trouble right now
[04:21] <BenC> maybe I need to get one
[04:22] <fabbione> BenC: eheh why buying crappy hw?
[04:22] <fabbione> i will probable buy a powerbook before UBZ
[04:22] <fabbione> my laptop is falling apart
[04:22] <fabbione> (hw-detect fixes uploaded)
[04:23] <fabbione> BenC: tomorrow it will be a very good day to test the installer
[04:23] <fabbione> i don't remember if hw-detect is downloaded or part of d-i
[04:23] <fabbione> in the latter case we need to wait a d-i upload
[04:24] <fabbione> BenC: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/sparc.diff <- this should fit all possible SBUS crack
[04:25] <zul> is there a bootable cd-rom yet?
[04:25] <fabbione> zul: yes
[04:25] <fabbione> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily/current/ <-
[04:26] <fabbione> but it doesn't contain all the fixes from today
[04:26] <zul> wohoo...a reason to use my sparc again
[04:26] <fabbione> that are sort of important
[04:26] <fabbione> zul: what sparc do you have?
[04:27] <zul> ultra 5 i think
[04:27] <fabbione> ok..
[04:28] <fabbione> it should be fine
[04:28] <fabbione> jbailey has one iirc
[04:30] <fabbione> zul: if you could sacrifice your sparc as test install machine, that would be really rad
[04:32] <fabbione> anyway.. time to go to school
[04:32] <fabbione> later fellas
[04:33] <zul> fabbione: sure..
[04:35] <zul> it ran gentoo on it so yeah it should be ok
[05:42] <BenC> fabbione: ping?
[05:43] <jbailey> fabbione: I have a U5, yes.
[05:43] <jbailey> It was so lovely and special.
[05:44] <jbailey> Hard to find cheap *quiet* Sun hardware, though.
[05:45] <BenC> never heard of quiet sun hardware
[05:45] <BenC> the U5 wasn't too bad, but everything else I've used was hot and loud
[06:01] <zul> mine has sucky hard drive and ram
[06:16] <lamont-away> my SS20 isn't all that loud,.. :0)
[06:56] <jbailey> lamont-away: Nor are the little sunblades. =)
[06:56] <jbailey> I tried to acquire one of those from my previous employer, and couldn't get away with it.
[06:56] <jbailey> And then the U10 I was supposed to get died.
[06:57] <lamont-away> :-(
[06:58] <jbailey> I have a U5 here, it does the job (enough that I can do the glibc builds and stuff)
[07:23] <mkrufky> jbailey: question... are you only responsible for glibc stuff, or is it other userspace stuff too?
[07:24] <jbailey> I am responsible for some other userpsace stuff.
[07:24] <jbailey> In Ubuntu we don't have a Big Maintainer Lock on packages.
[07:24] <mkrufky> ok... i thought of another issue that may or may not come up:
[07:24] <jbailey> We all update what we need to.
[07:24] <mkrufky> oh, i see
[07:24] <jbailey> Some people are just more skilled at things so tend to get the bugs to fix.
[07:24] <mkrufky> ah that makes a lot of sense
[07:25] <mkrufky> what estimated percentage of ubuntu userbase would you guess to be americans?
[07:27] <jbailey> We have no way of knowing.
[07:27] <jbailey> The US is a hard market to crack.
[07:28] <mkrufky> yes this can be true
[07:28] <mkrufky> actually, i heard of ubuntu b/c i got a cd in the mail
[07:28] <mkrufky> i dont know how i got it
[07:28] <mkrufky> but i got 4
[07:29] <mkrufky> and i gave 3 of them out to co-workers, now we all use it
[07:29] <mkrufky> so your promotions team is doing SOMETHING right :-)
[07:29] <mkrufky> anyway, the reason why i ask:
[07:29] <jbailey> *lol*
[07:29] <mkrufky> there is a package... i'm sure ubuntu has it, but i didnt look yet, called dvb-apps
[07:30] <mkrufky> this package contains userspace apps for testing dvb cards
[07:30] <mkrufky> but it only has programs that work with DVB standard
[07:30] <mkrufky> but, us silly americans had to be different
[07:31] <jbailey> dvb-utils - Viewer programs for DVB cards
[07:31] <mkrufky> and, just like how we dont use the metric system, America doesnt use DVB standard either... instead we have a stanbdard called ATSC
[07:31] <mkrufky> yes
[07:31] <jbailey> Isn't it NTSC?
[07:31] <jbailey> No, that's instead of PAL.
[07:31] <mkrufky> NTSC is for analog video
[07:31] <mkrufky> instead of PAL, correct
[07:31] <mkrufky> and we have ATSC for digital, instead of DVB
[07:32] <mkrufky> however, DVB linux project covers all standards
[07:32] <mkrufky> but the userspace apps currently dont have ATSC support
[07:32] <mkrufky> it is, however, in cvs
[07:32] <mkrufky> dvb-apps cvs, on linuxtv.org
[07:32] <mkrufky> i spoke to the guy responsible for putting out the releases of the package
[07:33] <mkrufky> and he said he has too much on his plate right now
[07:33] <mkrufky> (and he's german, so he doesnt personally need to get the ATSC stuff out there as much as I do)
[07:34] <mkrufky> anyway, i'm just giving a heads up, that since 2.6.12 supports DVB, and there is some ATSC support already in that kernel, you might have some users asking why the dvb-utils package doesnt work with their hardware
[07:34] <mkrufky> and this is the reason
[07:35] <jbailey> Ah, hmm
[07:35] <jbailey> There's no reasonable way to put that heads up in a package.
[07:35] <mkrufky> well, the right thing to do would be to get my guy to push out the next release
[07:36] <mkrufky> hopefully he'll do it within a month of two
[07:36] <mkrufky> but if you guys want to, there's nothing wrong with updating from cvs
[07:36] <Mithrandir> it's a bit too late for breezy, but should be well in the time frame for dapper
[07:36] <mkrufky> the two programs that you should include are: atscscan and azap
[07:36] <mkrufky> ah, okay ... thats fine
[07:37] <mkrufky> but now u know about it... in case the problem arises
[07:37] <Mithrandir> since we have a release in two weeks, we're trying to stabilize as much as possible.
[07:37] <mkrufky> ya its cool
[07:37] <Mithrandir> nice to know, though, so we can point people in the right direction if the question comes up
[07:37] <mkrufky> and quite honestly, i think the next version will be released in time for dapper
[07:37] <mkrufky> yes, exactly
[07:38] <jbailey> mkrufky: Are you interested in helping keep those packages up to date in dapper?
[07:39] <mkrufky> yes... 
[07:39] <jbailey> It's easy enough if you and a couple other people want to give them some love.
[07:39] <mkrufky> ya, that would be fine with me
[07:39] <jbailey> For something as specialised as that, the best our MOTU team can do is inherit from Debian.
[07:39] <mkrufky> hmm... so it would actually make better sense for me to make debian packages
[07:39] <jbailey> mkrufky: Remind me after breezy releases. I can introduce you to ogra and dholbach
[07:39] <jbailey> Either way.
[07:39] <mkrufky> ah, okay cool
[07:40] <jbailey> It depends how much you're tying them to updates done in Ubuntu's kernel.
[07:40] <mkrufky> do u guys send packages back to debian folks?
[07:40] <jbailey> For things that are that tightly integrated, it might not make sense.
[07:40] <jbailey> We try to send changes back.
[07:40] <jbailey> But Debian as its own process for getting new packages in.  If we have something they don't have, it's hard to offer it back.
[07:40] <mkrufky> i see.
[07:41] <jbailey> If you have time/patience to work with getting thepackage into Debian, we can just easily synchronise from there.
[07:41] <mkrufky> hmmm maybe that would be a better route, this way all debian-based distros can benefit
[07:41] <mkrufky> we'll see... id still like to meet those ppl u speak of
[07:42] <jbailey> Sure.  I don't know who's involved on the Debian side.
[07:42] <jbailey> Or you mean in Ubuntu?
[07:42] <jbailey> dholbach and ogra are the heads of the MOTU team, they're very nice.
[07:43] <jbailey> While the rest of us do packaging and sponsoring and stuff, they're responsible for working with community folks on getting other packages in, improved, etc.
[07:43] <mkrufky> yes.. .thats what im tlaking about
[07:43] <mkrufky> i could work first with ubuntu stuff, cuz i already know some of u guys
[07:44] <mkrufky> then we can try sending to debian... if it doesnt work, then i'll try alt routes
[07:44] <mkrufky> but i think debian also has the same package... just needs updating
[07:45] <jbailey> Right.
[07:46] <jbailey> What I do in those cases is I update in Ubuntu and talk to the maintainer there about synchronising from my changes.
[07:46] <jbailey> Sometimes they're interested, sometimes they're not.
[07:46] <jbailey> We can't force anything on them.
[07:52] <mkrufky> ay this system is crashing, need to reboot brb
[07:59] <mkrufky> okay, im back .... this is my ubuntu system taht im using now..... it seems that there are memory holes
[08:00] <mkrufky> when i have more than 3 firefox windows open, the system becomes unstable
[08:00] <mkrufky> anyway, im sure this isnt the proper place to report such a bug... just sayin'
[08:10] <jbailey> Is it bleeding-edge up to date?
[08:11] <mkrufky> 1.07
[08:11] <mkrufky> and i have all the ubuntu updates
[08:11] <mkrufky> just whetever updates i get automatically notified about
[08:17] <jbailey> That's generally enough.
[08:17] <jbailey> No idea.  I have to admit that I don't use firefox. =)
[08:33] <mkrufky> oh ya?  what do u use?
[08:34] <mkrufky> i use firefox here at work to set a good example.... we have mostly windows machines here, and we discourage the use if IE
[09:00] <zul> er firefox is a kernel module?
[09:00] <zul> :)
[09:02] <mkrufky> no... totally off topic here
[09:16] <jbailey> zul: It should be!
[09:16] <jbailey> WE NEED THE BROWSER INTEGRATED TO COMPETE WITH MICROSOFT!
[09:17] <crimsun> BenC, I'm working on a patch for #15031
[09:18] <mkrufky> jbailey: LOL
[09:41] <BenC> crimsun: ok
[09:44] <fabbione> BenC: pong?
[09:45] <BenC> ?
[09:45] <BenC> hmm, oh
[09:45] <BenC> is that USB sec patch ok?
[09:45] <fabbione> BenC: no
[09:45] <fabbione> Linus rejected it
[09:45] <BenC> remove it, or is there a better one yet?
[09:45] <fabbione> no better one yet
[09:45] <fabbione> if you need to upload, just kill it
[09:45] <BenC> what's the subject of the thread on l-k?
[09:46] <fabbione> it's not on l-k afaik
[09:46] <fabbione> they are discussing it on vendor-sec
[09:46] <fabbione> but...
[09:46] <fabbione> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=112766129313883
[09:46] <fabbione> this was the original patch
[09:46] <fabbione> perhaps there are followups
[09:48] <zul> jbailey: isnt that gnome?
[09:48] <jbailey> zul: Wha?
[09:59] <fabbione> good night guys
[10:01] <BenC> good night
[11:01] <desrt> BenC; ping
[11:02] <desrt> BenC; is there any reason why ppc64 doesn't have CONFIG_HUGETLBFS / CONFIG_HUGETLB_PAGE turned on?