=== TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [01:17] how do you disable dma for ide on the kernel command line? === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> zelazny.freenode.net === Traxer|off [i=traxer@shell6.powershells.de] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === lamont [n=lamont@15.238.6.147] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mjg59 [n=mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === infinity [n=adconrad@loki.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === lamont [n=lamont@15.238.6.147] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mjg59 [n=mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === infinity [n=adconrad@loki.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === lamont [n=lamont@15.238.6.147] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mjg59 [n=mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === calc [n=ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === infinity [n=adconrad@loki.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [03:28] [drm:radeon_cp_init] *ERROR* radeon_cp_init called without lock held [03:28] [drm:drm_unlock] *ERROR* Process 5356 using kernel context 0 [03:28] top-of-branch === lamont needs to figure out the best/simplest way to have hppa&ia64 use mkinitrd instead of mkinitramfs for 2.6.12 [05:28] that is, so that virgin installs do the right thing (and boot) [05:28] because not booting is, well,m bad === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === lamont scratches his head [06:17] hdc: cdrom_pc_intr: The drive appears confused (ireason = 0x01) [06:17] kew;l === lamont-away finally gets home [08:07] ehhe === JaneW [n=JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === StarKruzr [i=StarKruz@adsl-70-224-50-125.dsl.sbndin.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === chmj [n=chmj@wbs-146-153-77.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === chmj [n=chmj@wbs-146-156-213.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Yagisan [n=jamie@220-245-252-194-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === doko_ [n=doko@dsl-084-059-080-052.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === kikov [n=kikov@67.Red-83-46-20.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [03:29] sorry by this stupid question: how is the official package name for kernel in Ubuntu? [03:29] kernel-image or linux-image? [03:29] well, kernel or linux? [03:30] or both? [03:30] which are the differences? === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [03:30] kikov: linux-image [03:31] ok.. and why kernel-patch-vserver depends on kernel-sources? ( instead linux-sources ) [03:31] well.. not depend, suggest: Suggests: util-vserver, kernel-source-2.4.27 | kernel-source-2.6.8 | kernel-source-2.6.11 [03:31] Because it's been imported from Debian without modification [03:32] ok.. thx [03:32] I'm going to play a little bit with it [03:32] if everything is OK with 2.6.12, we could add Suggests: linux-source-2.6.12 to suggestions [03:34] BenC: ping? [03:37] umm, the diff file should be included [03:38] mjg59, and another question.. how can I know the version of the linux-sources? [03:38] well.. 2.6.12 is good, but I still need the other microversion [03:38] 2.6.12.4 and so... [03:39] .6 [03:39] check the changelo [03:39] +g [03:39] bleah [03:39] hey zul [03:39] hey fabbione [03:40] what's up? [03:40] bleha...work [03:40] is dapper sources published somewhere? [03:41] nope [03:41] there is no dapper yet :) [03:41] okie dokie === mkrufky-not-here is now known as mkrufky [03:55] BenC: unping.. [04:09] have i been missing alot? [04:13] zul: the end of the world? [04:15] anyone know who jdthood@yahoo.co.uk is? [04:16] jdthood [04:16] BenC: yeah.. alsa guy [04:16] he is on -devel [04:16] er #ubuntu-devel [04:16] BenC: i got the fixes for hw-detection ready for upload.. waiting approval [04:16] BenC: also.. fixed console-data [04:16] cool [04:16] BenC: and got davem to install Ubuntu sparc :) [04:17] sweet :) [04:17] BenC: time to start building a community [04:17] yeah, I've told him I moved to ubuntu, and that we will do it right :) [04:17] #ubuntu-sparc is open for business :) [04:17] BenC: yeah.. he thought that you did all of it :) [04:17] but yes.. we have a playground area [04:17] I couldn't do sparc right with Debian simply because no one believed the technical arguments dave and I were pushing [04:18] and given we are 3 sane people [04:18] lol [04:18] so yes. we can do whatever we want (or almost [04:19] I need to talk with Mark to get the buildd's in place [04:19] so sparc will actually be "stable" with breezy, just not supported, right? [04:20] you did a kick ass job getting all that done, btw [04:20] I remember how much work that was when I took over debian-sparc [04:20] not fun at all [04:21] BenC: yes.. we should be able to release together with Breezy [04:21] stable, but not supported [04:21] hoary didn't make it for a package [04:21] IBM R30 laptops seem to have the most trouble right now [04:21] maybe I need to get one [04:22] BenC: eheh why buying crappy hw? [04:22] i will probable buy a powerbook before UBZ [04:22] my laptop is falling apart [04:22] (hw-detect fixes uploaded) [04:23] BenC: tomorrow it will be a very good day to test the installer [04:23] i don't remember if hw-detect is downloaded or part of d-i [04:23] in the latter case we need to wait a d-i upload [04:24] BenC: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/sparc.diff <- this should fit all possible SBUS crack [04:25] is there a bootable cd-rom yet? [04:25] zul: yes [04:25] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily/current/ <- [04:26] but it doesn't contain all the fixes from today [04:26] wohoo...a reason to use my sparc again [04:26] that are sort of important [04:26] zul: what sparc do you have? [04:27] ultra 5 i think [04:27] ok.. [04:28] it should be fine [04:28] jbailey has one iirc [04:30] zul: if you could sacrifice your sparc as test install machine, that would be really rad [04:32] anyway.. time to go to school [04:32] later fellas [04:33] fabbione: sure.. [04:35] it ran gentoo on it so yeah it should be ok === desrt [n=desrt@24.215.14.137] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [05:42] fabbione: ping? [05:43] fabbione: I have a U5, yes. === jbailey misses his old U10. [05:43] It was so lovely and special. [05:44] Hard to find cheap *quiet* Sun hardware, though. [05:45] never heard of quiet sun hardware [05:45] the U5 wasn't too bad, but everything else I've used was hot and loud === PzyCrow [n=john@ua-83-227-230-228.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [06:01] mine has sucky hard drive and ram === lamont-away prepares to upload a new kernel-package, which the -9.19 kernel will depend on.... [06:16] my SS20 isn't all that loud,.. :0) [06:56] lamont-away: Nor are the little sunblades. =) [06:56] I tried to acquire one of those from my previous employer, and couldn't get away with it. [06:56] And then the U10 I was supposed to get died. [06:57] :-( [06:58] I have a U5 here, it does the job (enough that I can do the glibc builds and stuff) [07:23] jbailey: question... are you only responsible for glibc stuff, or is it other userspace stuff too? [07:24] I am responsible for some other userpsace stuff. [07:24] In Ubuntu we don't have a Big Maintainer Lock on packages. [07:24] ok... i thought of another issue that may or may not come up: [07:24] We all update what we need to. [07:24] oh, i see [07:24] Some people are just more skilled at things so tend to get the bugs to fix. [07:24] ah that makes a lot of sense [07:25] what estimated percentage of ubuntu userbase would you guess to be americans? [07:27] We have no way of knowing. [07:27] The US is a hard market to crack. [07:28] yes this can be true [07:28] actually, i heard of ubuntu b/c i got a cd in the mail [07:28] i dont know how i got it [07:28] but i got 4 [07:29] and i gave 3 of them out to co-workers, now we all use it [07:29] so your promotions team is doing SOMETHING right :-) [07:29] anyway, the reason why i ask: [07:29] *lol* [07:29] there is a package... i'm sure ubuntu has it, but i didnt look yet, called dvb-apps [07:30] this package contains userspace apps for testing dvb cards [07:30] but it only has programs that work with DVB standard [07:30] but, us silly americans had to be different [07:31] dvb-utils - Viewer programs for DVB cards [07:31] and, just like how we dont use the metric system, America doesnt use DVB standard either... instead we have a stanbdard called ATSC [07:31] yes [07:31] Isn't it NTSC? [07:31] No, that's instead of PAL. [07:31] NTSC is for analog video [07:31] instead of PAL, correct [07:31] and we have ATSC for digital, instead of DVB [07:32] however, DVB linux project covers all standards [07:32] but the userspace apps currently dont have ATSC support [07:32] it is, however, in cvs [07:32] dvb-apps cvs, on linuxtv.org [07:32] i spoke to the guy responsible for putting out the releases of the package [07:33] and he said he has too much on his plate right now [07:33] (and he's german, so he doesnt personally need to get the ATSC stuff out there as much as I do) [07:34] anyway, i'm just giving a heads up, that since 2.6.12 supports DVB, and there is some ATSC support already in that kernel, you might have some users asking why the dvb-utils package doesnt work with their hardware [07:34] and this is the reason [07:35] Ah, hmm [07:35] There's no reasonable way to put that heads up in a package. [07:35] well, the right thing to do would be to get my guy to push out the next release [07:36] hopefully he'll do it within a month of two [07:36] but if you guys want to, there's nothing wrong with updating from cvs [07:36] it's a bit too late for breezy, but should be well in the time frame for dapper [07:36] the two programs that you should include are: atscscan and azap [07:36] ah, okay ... thats fine [07:37] but now u know about it... in case the problem arises [07:37] since we have a release in two weeks, we're trying to stabilize as much as possible. [07:37] ya its cool [07:37] nice to know, though, so we can point people in the right direction if the question comes up [07:37] and quite honestly, i think the next version will be released in time for dapper [07:37] yes, exactly [07:38] mkrufky: Are you interested in helping keep those packages up to date in dapper? [07:39] yes... [07:39] It's easy enough if you and a couple other people want to give them some love. [07:39] ya, that would be fine with me [07:39] For something as specialised as that, the best our MOTU team can do is inherit from Debian. [07:39] hmm... so it would actually make better sense for me to make debian packages [07:39] mkrufky: Remind me after breezy releases. I can introduce you to ogra and dholbach [07:39] Either way. [07:39] ah, okay cool [07:40] It depends how much you're tying them to updates done in Ubuntu's kernel. [07:40] do u guys send packages back to debian folks? [07:40] For things that are that tightly integrated, it might not make sense. [07:40] We try to send changes back. [07:40] But Debian as its own process for getting new packages in. If we have something they don't have, it's hard to offer it back. [07:40] i see. [07:41] If you have time/patience to work with getting thepackage into Debian, we can just easily synchronise from there. [07:41] hmmm maybe that would be a better route, this way all debian-based distros can benefit [07:41] we'll see... id still like to meet those ppl u speak of [07:42] Sure. I don't know who's involved on the Debian side. [07:42] Or you mean in Ubuntu? [07:42] dholbach and ogra are the heads of the MOTU team, they're very nice. [07:43] While the rest of us do packaging and sponsoring and stuff, they're responsible for working with community folks on getting other packages in, improved, etc. [07:43] yes.. .thats what im tlaking about [07:43] i could work first with ubuntu stuff, cuz i already know some of u guys [07:44] then we can try sending to debian... if it doesnt work, then i'll try alt routes [07:44] but i think debian also has the same package... just needs updating [07:45] Right. [07:46] What I do in those cases is I update in Ubuntu and talk to the maintainer there about synchronising from my changes. [07:46] Sometimes they're interested, sometimes they're not. [07:46] We can't force anything on them. [07:52] ay this system is crashing, need to reboot brb === mkrufky [n=mk@68.160.103.77] has left #ubuntu-kernel [] === mkrufky [n=mk@68.160.103.77] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [07:59] okay, im back .... this is my ubuntu system taht im using now..... it seems that there are memory holes [08:00] when i have more than 3 firefox windows open, the system becomes unstable [08:00] anyway, im sure this isnt the proper place to report such a bug... just sayin' [08:10] Is it bleeding-edge up to date? [08:11] 1.07 [08:11] and i have all the ubuntu updates [08:11] just whetever updates i get automatically notified about [08:17] That's generally enough. [08:17] No idea. I have to admit that I don't use firefox. =) [08:33] oh ya? what do u use? [08:34] i use firefox here at work to set a good example.... we have mostly windows machines here, and we discourage the use if IE [09:00] er firefox is a kernel module? [09:00] :) [09:02] no... totally off topic here === mkrufky was only explaining why i had been disconnected === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [09:16] zul: It should be! [09:16] WE NEED THE BROWSER INTEGRATED TO COMPETE WITH MICROSOFT! [09:17] BenC, I'm working on a patch for #15031 [09:18] jbailey: LOL [09:41] crimsun: ok [09:44] BenC: pong? [09:45] ? [09:45] hmm, oh [09:45] is that USB sec patch ok? [09:45] BenC: no [09:45] Linus rejected it [09:45] remove it, or is there a better one yet? [09:45] no better one yet [09:45] if you need to upload, just kill it [09:45] what's the subject of the thread on l-k? [09:46] it's not on l-k afaik [09:46] they are discussing it on vendor-sec [09:46] but... [09:46] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=112766129313883 [09:46] this was the original patch [09:46] perhaps there are followups [09:48] jbailey: isnt that gnome? [09:48] zul: Wha? === fabbione heads to bed === fabbione heads to bed [09:59] good night guys [10:01] good night === lamont [n=lamont@15.238.6.147] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [11:01] BenC; ping [11:02] BenC; is there any reason why ppc64 doesn't have CONFIG_HUGETLBFS / CONFIG_HUGETLB_PAGE turned on? === mkrufky [n=mk@68.160.103.77] has left #ubuntu-kernel []