[12:22] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[12:30] <dholbach> good night guys
[12:30] <dholbach> ROCK ON
[12:30] <tseng> bye dholbach
[12:30] <ajmitch> night dholbach
[12:31] <slomo> gn8 dholbach
[12:33] <h8red> so anyone here have a motu traveler?
[12:34] <ajmitch> h8red: ?
[12:34] <h8red> yes?
[12:35] <slomo> what is a motu traveler?
[12:36] <h8red> haha, sorry, looked before i leaped, thought this was for motu(mark of the unicorn) audio products
[12:36] <ajmitch> hah no :)
[12:37] <ogra_> we only deal with he-man and the like ;)
[12:37] <tseng> my sword is badass
[12:37] <tseng> as is the wind glider
[12:42] <slomo> ok... gn8 everybody :)
[12:42] <tseng> bye
[01:38] <neighborlee> how long does it usually  take to hear back from having proposed oneself for membership  at ubuntu launchpad  ??
[01:39] <ajmitch> neighborlee: they're considered at the next CC meeting
[01:39] <ajmitch> based on whether you've contributed over a period of time, etc
[01:39] <neighborlee> yes I know about that already
[01:40] <neighborlee> okay  so what happens if you miss a meeting ...do they decicde anyway or just skip you over and let you come to next one ?
[01:40] <neighborlee> I was held up last night at clients house and missed it ;(...
[01:40] <ajmitch> usually skipped to the next meeting
[01:40] <neighborlee> ok thdx
[01:40] <neighborlee> thx
[02:02] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[02:03] <tritium> hi there bddebian.  What's new?
[02:04] <bddebian> Causing trouble as always :-)
[02:04] <crimsun> I love it when the route to my pbuilder just evaporates
[02:04] <bddebian> You?
[02:04] <crimsun> just _love_ it
[02:04] <bddebian> Heh
[02:04] <tritium> bddebian, just got home from work
[02:05] <tritium> crimsun, how did that happen?
[02:05] <crimsun> sbc sucks.
[02:06] <tritium> You're logged into your chroot remotely?
[02:06] <crimsun> Well, pbuilder. I don't have enough space on my computer to run a pbuilder
[02:07] <crimsun> got a friend to throw together some amd64 boxes coloc'ed, but the route's through sbc. And sbc has been sucking today.
[02:07] <tritium> interesting setup
[02:13] <bddebian> Riddell: ping?
[02:13] <Riddell> bddebian: yo
[02:14] <bddebian> Riddell: I put up a debdiff for 1784.  Though I just noticed there is another bug posted against kdebindings :-(
[02:14] <Riddell> bddebian: what's the other beastie?
[02:15] <bddebian> 2048
[02:39] <bddebian> Heya bmonty_laptop
[02:39] <crimsun> the long road to better ppc multimedia support  *sigh*
[02:39] <bddebian> :-)
[02:40] <bmonty_laptop> hi bddebian
[03:32] <ajmitch> afternoon
[03:33] <crimsun> 'afternoon
[04:01] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[04:33] <LaserJock> heah bddebian, do know if anything is up with getting libghemical from Debian?
[04:34] <bddebian> LaserJock: No.  I've been meaning to ask you about that
[04:35] <LaserJock> well, I made a Breezy package that has mopac7 built in but we don't have mopac7
[04:35] <LaserJock> I figured that it would be better to do one thing at a time
[04:36] <LaserJock> first get libghemical from Debian, and then add my stuff, but I don't know
[04:50] <LaserJock> bddebian: I also don't know about  mozilla-locale-zh-tw
[04:51] <bddebian> LaserJock: I think it should be morgued too
[04:51] <LaserJock> me too
[04:52] <LaserJock> I was able to find some .xpi files on the mozilla ftp site for some newer versions of mozilla but it seems pretty touch and go and I don't think that Debian is going to fix it either
[04:54] <LaserJock> should I put them in MorgueCandidates or do you want to do that?
[04:56] <bddebian> I've kinda given up on morgues :-)
[04:56] <LaserJock> BTW, what is the process for that?
[04:56] <bddebian> Ask elmo
[04:57] <LaserJock> I looked at http://morgue.ubuntu.com/ and I don't see anything since April
[05:00] <LaserJock> well, I will at least update the wiki so it is documented somewhere that they aren't any good
[05:49] <hubW> cdbs question
[05:49] <hubW> with perl
[07:32] <ivoks> hello
[07:33] <crimsun> 'lo
[08:04] <ajmitch> with?
[08:05] <ivoks> dpatch+cdbs
[08:05] <ajmitch> what's the problem?
[08:05] <ivoks> i include dpatch.mk
[08:05] <ivoks> but i get no rule to make target unpatch
[08:06] <ajmitch> include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/dpatch.mk ?
[08:06] <ivoks> yes
[08:06] <ivoks> before makefile.mk
[08:06] <ajmitch> hm
[08:06] <ivoks> and after debhelper.mk
[08:06] <ajmitch> I don't know if order matters, but try putting it last :)
[08:07] <ivoks> after make?
[08:07] <ivoks> hm...
[08:07] <ajmitch> yes
[08:07] <ivoks> same thing
[08:07] <ajmitch> fun
[08:07] <ivoks> maybe i;m doing something wrong
[08:07] <ivoks> i include dpatch
[08:07] <ajmitch> probably :)
[08:07] <ivoks> and then i do dpatch-edit
[08:08] <ivoks> right?
[08:08] <ajmitch> dpatch is in build-depends?
[08:08] <ivoks> that's like with debhelper
[08:08] <ivoks> ajmitch: no :)
[08:08] <ajmitch> why not?
[08:08] <ivoks> that shouldn't be a problem for editing patch
[08:08] <ivoks> only for building
[08:09] <ajmitch> but you still need it installed :)
[08:09] <ivoks> it is
[08:09] <ajmitch> which you probably do
[08:09] <ajmitch> can you show me what you're working on?
[08:09] <ivoks> transport
[08:09] <ajmitch> I mean the files
[08:09] <ivoks> ah, just rename :)
[08:10] <ivoks> accutally, i'm trying to figure out cdbs
[08:10] <ajmitch> ivoks: can you put this online somewhere so I can look then?
[08:10] <ivoks> ajmitch: apt-get source teleport :)
[08:10] <ivoks> ajmitch: i didn't do anything yet :)
[08:10] <ajmitch> ok..
[08:10] <ivoks> just added dpatch.mk
[08:10] <ajmitch> so teleport, not transport..
[08:11] <ivoks> sorry, teleport... not transport
[08:12] <ajmitch> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=284231
[08:13] <ivoks> ah, nice :)
[08:13] <ajmitch> so you need a line like.. unpatch: deapply-dpatches
[08:13] <ivoks> yeah
[08:13] <ajmitch> and it works easily
[08:14] <ivoks> thanks
[08:14] <ajmitch> glad to help
[08:14] <ivoks> so, what's the best thing to do when we have two packages providing two different icons with same name?
[08:14] <ajmitch> rename one
[08:15] <ivoks> Teleport.png :)
[08:15] <ajmitch> also owned by..?
[08:15] <ivoks> gnome-games-data
[08:15] <ivoks> it's teleport.png
[08:15] <ivoks> both are teleport...
[08:15] <ajmitch> so they're different names?
[08:16] <ajmitch> if one has capital
[08:16] <ivoks> no, Teleport was suggestion :)
[08:16] <ajmitch> ok..
[08:16] <ajmitch> so rename it if you want :)
[08:16] <ajmitch> binary-fixup/teleport:
[08:17] <ajmitch>   mv debian/teleport/usr/share/pixmaps/teleport.png debian/teleport/usr/share/pixmaps/Teleport.png
[08:17] <ajmitch> try that :)
[08:17] <ivoks> binary-fixup?
[08:18] <ajmitch> or binary-install might be better
[08:18] <ajmitch> should be binary-install/teleport::
[08:18] <ajmitch> to add it to the bottom of that rule in debhelper.mk
[08:18] <ivoks> yeah... but..
[08:18] <ivoks> if you checkout pixmaps...
[08:19] <ivoks> there isn't any name with capital letter :)
[08:19] <ajmitch> so rename it to something else!
[08:19] <ajmitch> :)
[08:19] <ivoks> i know
[08:19] <ajmitch> teleport_really_this_is_teleport_not_the_gnome_one_honest.png
[08:19] <ajmitch> and change the .desktop file to suit
[08:19] <ivoks> :)
[08:20] <ivoks> and menu
[08:20] <ivoks> i will do this with dpatch
[08:20] <ivoks> since .desktop is in the source
[08:20] <ajmitch> ok
[08:20] <ajmitch> have fun
[08:20] <ivoks> thanks
[08:28] <ivoks> urgh... :)
[08:44] <ajmitch> ivoks: don't forget 00list ;)
[08:44] <ajmitch> bbl
[08:46] <dholbach> good morning
[09:02] <ivoks> eh :)
[09:03] <ivoks> ajmitch: i didn't
[09:04] <dholbach> hey ivoks :)
[09:13] <ivoks> hm...
[09:14] <ivoks> poker3d suggests package that doesn't exists
[09:14] <dholbach> which one?
[09:14] <ivoks> gaim-poker3d
[09:14] <dholbach> then get  rid of it
[09:14] <dholbach> we might sync it from debian next time
[09:15] <dholbach> or sync if, if it's there
[09:15] <dholbach> both ways are acceptable
[09:15] <ivoks> it's not :)
[09:15] <dholbach> ouch
[09:15] <dholbach> well then... :)
[09:15] <ivoks> ok, will remove that suggestion :)
[09:25] <siretart> morning
[09:26] <dholbach> hey reinhard
[10:15] <siretart> whops. houston, we have a problem
[10:16] <siretart> something BAD happened to the revu keyring.. some newer keys need to be readded. sorry
[10:17] <crimsun> like mine?
[10:17] <siretart> 215:pub  1024D/C88ABDA3 2003-06-23 Daniel T. Chen (new) <crimsun@fungus.sh.nu>
[10:17] <siretart> its there
[10:17] <crimsun> k
[10:19] <siretart> tonios key for example, I readded him now
[11:06] <ivoks> crap :)
[11:06] <ivoks> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[11:26] <\sh> wrote elmo an email with the sync requests from yesterday :)
[11:26] <ajmitch> hi \sh
[11:28] <\sh> guys...dlink wlan router + wpa + dhcp +linux ==> doesn't work at all
[11:28] <\sh> so...w8ing for linksys
[11:29] <dholbach> \sh: me too
[11:29] <dholbach> k&m elektronik is ... as tsteng would say "completely shithouse"
[11:29] <dholbach> tseng
[11:29] <\sh> dholbach: funny thing..wpa auth+enc works...but no dhcp ip address
[11:29] <sistpoty> hi folks
[11:29] <ajmitch> \sh: strange
[11:29] <\sh> dholbach: wpa auth+enc works + static ip address -> internet but no internal routing
[11:29] <dholbach> ouch
[11:29] <\sh> so i can't reach wired clients or others
[11:30] <ajmitch> \sh: I use wpa+dhcp with an airport AP & it works nicely :)
[11:30] <\sh> without any enc it works flawlessly
[11:30] <ajmitch> what enc are you using?
[11:30] <\sh> ajmitch: well...the problems are known
[11:30] <\sh> wpa-psk and tkip
[11:30] <ajmitch> ok
[11:30] <ajmitch> same as I have with the airport
[11:30] <ajmitch> so I guess d-link are crap :)
[11:31] <\sh> ajmitch: wpa-cli status tells me the auth is established
[11:31] <ajmitch> using wpa_supplicant?
[11:31] <\sh> ajmitch: yepp
[11:31] <ajmitch> hey Treenaks
[11:31] <\sh> ajmitch: tried the one in ubuntu 0.4.2 and the new one...0.4.4 from debian
[11:31] <Treenaks> hey
[11:31] <ajmitch> sistpoty: you sent MOTU minutes out?
[11:31] <Treenaks> yay country-wide ADSL outage...
[11:31] <\sh> oh...I have to order the sync for wpasupplicant as well :)
[11:31] <ajmitch> Treenaks: sounds like NZ ;)
[11:32] <ajmitch> why is a sync needed at this point?
[11:32] <ajmitch> hi jsgotangco
[11:32] <Treenaks> ajmitch: this is one of the 3 telcos going down..
[11:32] <ajmitch> we just have 1 DSL provider for the country
[11:32] <jsgotangco> hi
[11:32] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, seriously?
[11:32] <\sh> ajmitch: because it fixes some problems with madwifi drivers
[11:32] <sistpoty> anyone to review c2hs (http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/c2hs/)?
[11:33] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: of course
[11:33] <ajmitch> \sh: ah ok
[11:33] <ajmitch> \sh: I've got madwifi here to test also, if you need it :)
[11:34] <\sh> ajmitch: http://hostap.epitest.fi/ :)
[11:34] <\sh> ajmitch: I'm using madwifi with the atheros chipset on this r200
[11:34] <\sh> laptop
[11:34] <ajmitch> and there's an old prism2 card around somewhere...
[11:34] <ajmitch> with really old firmware :)
[11:35] <ajmitch> at least 4 computers in this house have wifi
[11:35] <ajmitch> 4 laptops, that is :)
[11:35] <\sh> ajmitch: I tried an old prism chipset (11mbit stuff) with wpa...doesn't work ;)
[11:35] <ajmitch> yeah, this card has too old firmware for wpa
[11:42] <sistpoty> ajmitch: i sent the motu minutes to you
[11:43] <sistpoty> ajmitch: to @gnu.org address
[11:44] <ajmitch> sistpoty: yes, and I said they were good :)
[11:44] <ajmitch> I was hoping you'd send them out after that :)
[11:45] <sistpoty> hehe, I actually thought you were sending these in ;)
[11:46] <sistpoty> ajmitch: ok, I'll send them to the devel list
[11:46] <sistpoty> ajmitch: anything else to care for... wiki?
[11:46] <ajmitch> yes please
[11:47] <sistpoty> I go for it ;)
[11:47] <ajmitch> thanks
[11:47] <sistpoty> no problem
[12:44] <ajmitch> \sh: did you get anywhere with gnome-launch-box ?
[12:45] <dholbach> get rid of that crap :)
[12:45] <dholbach> it was the result of a weekend hack session :)
[12:45] <dholbach> (afaik and nobody touched it afterwards)
[12:45] <ajmitch> nah
[12:45] <ajmitch> people stil hack it :)
[12:46] <ajmitch> http://developer.imendio.com/svn/gnome-launch-box/trunk/ChangeLog
[12:46] <ajmitch> it's https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/gnome-launch-box/+bug/2097
[12:46] <dholbach> wow
[12:46] <dholbach> i'm impressed
[12:46] <ajmitch> unmet dep on libcamel1.2-3, should be rebuilt but FTBFS
[12:46] <Tonio-> hi everyone
[12:47] <dholbach> maybe an libevo* patch from upstream
[12:47] <dholbach> hey Tonio-
[12:47] <dholbach> Tonio-: reviewed your packages
[12:47] <Tonio-> dholbach: I have a little question concerning your yesterday's revuing on kdetv....
[12:47] <Tonio-> I've seen but there are things I don't understand
[12:47] <dholbach> ok
[12:48] <Tonio-> concerning the diff with orig tarball for wlassistant, the upstream apparently modifed the tarball without changing the version number (grrr)
[12:48] <dholbach> OUCH
[12:48] <dholbach> maybe you want to try their new tarball
[12:48] <dholbach> maybe they did something important
[12:49] <Tonio-> I did and that's okay, I reuploaded it with some changes...
[12:49] <Tonio-> but concerning kdetv, you would suggest to keep the lintian's errors ?
[12:49] <Tonio-> instead of overriding ?
[12:49] <dholbach> yes
[12:50] <dholbach> i think jbailey's comment is quite reasonable
[12:50] <dholbach> but you can ask for more advice on it
[12:50] <Tonio-> but........... would you give a YES to a deb that gives lintian error ? ^_
[12:50] <dholbach> #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-motu should have a couple of answers to it
[12:50] <dholbach> i'd split it out, but that's just my 2ct
[12:50] <Tonio-> well I know that Riddell overrides sometime (he did for katapult for example)
[12:50] <dholbach> yeah
[12:51] <dholbach> that's his choice
[12:51] <dholbach> :)
[12:51] <Tonio-> yep ;)
[12:51] <Tonio-> but where do you see binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath for kdetv ?
[12:51] <dholbach> i build it in pbuilder (on amd64) and get that message by lintian -i
[12:51] <Tonio-> tested with "lintian -I" and nothing for me
[12:52] <dholbach> Tonio-: about pwmanager: i heard that the package was rejected 3 times now - i have no clue why, we should ask elmo about it
[12:52] <dholbach> maybe that's an ssue on amd64 *shrug*
[12:53] <Riddell> dholbach: if you uploaded it shouldn't you get the reject message?
[12:53] <Tonio-> dholbach: certainly yes, I can you the log if you want ;)
[12:53] <dholbach> Riddell: i signed Tonio-'s upload
[12:53] <dholbach> Tonio-: log?
[12:53] <Tonio-> dholbach: lintian's response if you prefer ;)
[12:54] <Tonio-> Riddell: concerning binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath, would you suggest to override or let the errors ?
[12:55] <Riddell> Tonio-: let the error since it's not something we want
[12:55] <dholbach> Tonio-: i like the idea of the reminder
[12:55] <\sh> ajmitch: morgue it
[12:55] <Tonio-> okay! (just hope that will not be a reson for non advocating)
[12:56] <ajmitch> \sh: sure, will pass it by seb :)
[12:56] <\sh> ajmitch: no..don't ask seb...he will actually fix it ;) no ways ;)
[12:56] <Tonio-> Riddell: just got allee comments on ketv, impressive !
[12:56] <ajmitch> haha
[12:57] <ajmitch> \sh: I'm just doing random bug triage for the gnome team :)
[12:57] <Riddell> Tonio-: we need that guy for MOTU
[12:58] <Tonio-> Riddell: I was amazed by all that he found !
[12:58] <ajmitch> Riddell: who's that?
[12:59] <Riddell> ajmitch: kde-qt-debian guy who hangs around #kubuntu-devel
[12:59] <Riddell> dholbach: do you have an amd64?
[12:59] <ajmitch> ok
[12:59] <dholbach> Riddell: yes
[12:59] <ajmitch> dholbach: lucky chap :)
[12:59] <dholbach> after my old i386' motherboard got blown, i decided to buy it
[01:00] <dholbach> so that was merely a replacement :)
[01:00] <ajmitch> yeah
[01:00] <Mithrandir> amd64 is the way of the future! :-)
[01:00] <ajmitch> I'm thinking of a replacement box in a few months
[01:00] <ajmitch> s/thinking/dreaming/
[01:00] <ajmitch> my bank account will be a bit tight after UBZ
[01:00] <dholbach> ajmitch: if i should win the lottery, i will remember you :)
[01:01] <ajmitch> dholbach: thanks ;)
[01:01] <dholbach> de rien :)
[01:01] <Tonio-> et en franais s'il vous plait ;)
[01:15] <ajmitch> yay, just wiped 7 packages off the 'incoming' list for UnmetDeps ;)
[01:16] <ajmitch> thanks to a mythplugins build & upload
[01:16] <tseng> hah
[01:16] <tseng> i need to upload myththemes
[01:16] <tseng> and mythgame
[01:16] <ajmitch> yeah
[01:16] <ajmitch> mythphone is the other broken one
[01:16] <Lathiat> yay
[01:16] <ajmitch> hey jinty
[01:18] <jinty> hoi ajmitch
[01:18] <jinty> whats going?
[01:18] <ajmitch> jinty: you have a launchpad account?
[01:19] <ajmitch> we have a nice shiny new zope team there: https://launchpad.net/people/zope
[01:19] <ajmitch> it'll be more useful once main is using malone
[01:19] <jinty> yeah I do, should be jinty or something
[01:20] <ajmitch> ok, if you want to join I should be able to approve it
[01:20] <ajmitch> we'll see if doko will join that group as well
[01:21] <ajmitch> wb ogra :)
[01:21] <ogra> grmpf....
[01:21] <ogra> DSL sucks..
[01:21] <ogra> I WANT SDSL (without daily reconnect)
[01:21] <Lathiat> correction, your dsl sucks
[01:22] <ogra> *whine*
[01:22] <Lathiat> altho mine sucks atm cus im shaped to 33kbps
[01:22] <ogra> Lathiat, every DSL sucks ... i want a real line..
[01:22] <Lathiat> i used to live on this 2 years ago
[01:22] <Lathiat> how did i ever manage...
[01:22] <Lathiat> ogra: my dsl is great...
[01:22] <ajmitch> mine sucks because my isp's bandwidth monitoring works again :)
[01:22] <ogra> is it symmetric ?
[01:22] <Lathiat> haha ajmitch
[01:22] <Lathiat> yeh im 2.8G over my quota for thsi month
[01:22] <jinty> ajmitch. cool I joined, not that I know what it allows me to do yet
[01:22] <Lathiat> not bad considering the first 2G was at 72kbps and the last .8G at 33kbpw
[01:23] <ajmitch> jinty: we'll assign zope bugs in malone to that group
[01:23] <Lathiat> heh, 33 kilobits per week
[01:23] <ajmitch> jinty: having more eyes on the bugs is usually good :)
[01:24] <Lathiat> me blah, i need asome disk in my gateway to make an apt-cache, im currently getting xorg 3 times on 3 different machines
[01:24] <dholbach> can somebody who is NOT on universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com make a change to a malone bug?
[01:24] <ajmitch> jinty: that's fine
[01:25] <Lathiat> dholbach: not subscribed to that list?
[01:25] <Lathiat> sure
[01:25] <Lathiat> i think im not subscribed *checks*
[01:25] <dholbach> yes, not on it at all
[01:25] <Lathiat> woops i am
[01:25] <Lathiat> i can unsubscribe
[01:26] <Lathiat> since i dont actually read it
[01:26] <ajmitch> heh
[01:27] <Lathiat> well i forgot i even subscribed
[01:27] <Lathiat> was being procmailed away in a folder not setup in mutt
[01:29] <Lathiat> hm, how do i search for bugs
[01:29] <Lathiat> i cant?
[01:29] <Lathiat> hm
[01:31] <Lathiat> ... if i get the unsubscribe message
[01:31] <ajmitch> yay f-spot 0.1.3
[01:31] <Lathiat> man
[01:31] <Lathiat> theres a problem with people putting @comments@ in the status thing
[01:31] <Lathiat> that needs to be cleared up
[01:31] <Lathiat> because its not visible from the main page
[01:31] <Lathiat> so confusing
[01:33] <Lathiat> ok, i mofidief bug 2404
[01:33] <tseng> ajmitch: woo
[01:33] <Lathiat> after unsubbing
[01:34] <Lathiat> dholbach:
[01:34] <tseng> - Png metadata support.
[01:34] <tseng> elite
[01:34] <dholbach> Lathiat: have no mail yet... waiting
[01:35] <ajmitch> will throw it into debian & ubuntu asap
[01:35] <tseng> - New rdf metadata backend.
[01:35] <tseng> i wonder what this means
[01:36] <ogra> Lathiat, mofidief ? man, swallow before speaking ;)
[01:36] <tseng> hi ogra
[01:36] <ogra> hey tseng
[01:36] <Lathiat> heh
[01:38] <dholbach> Lathiat: it still requires approval
[01:38] <dholbach> GRMBL
[01:38] <dholbach> i seem to stupid to figure this crap out
[01:38] <ajmitch> dholbach: you, stupid? hah, that'll be the day :)
[01:38] <Lathiat> trying to fix the mailman options?
[01:38] <dholbach> yes
[01:38] <dholbach> circumvent malone's mail changes
[01:38] <ajmitch> mailman is difficult at times
[01:38] <dholbach> but anyway
[01:38] <dholbach> i'm out for lunch
[01:39] <ajmitch> bye
[01:39] <ajmitch> rock, f-spot built for sid
[01:40] <Lathiat> dholbach: in mailman admin
[01:40] <Lathiat> dholbach: -> Privacy Options
[01:40] <Lathiat> then "Sender filter"
[01:40] <dholbach> and then?
[01:41] <Lathiat> change "Action to take for postings from non-members for which no explicit action is defined" -> accept
[01:41] <dholbach> the problem is that the important bit is Reply-To and not "From" anymore
[01:41] <dholbach> and i'd not like it to be unmoderated
[01:41] <Nafallo> ajmitch: and for breezy? :-)
[01:41] <Lathiat> howso?
[01:42] <Lathiat> unmoderated is what i said above
[01:42] <Lathiat> not sure wwhat you mean about the reply-to bit
[01:42] <dholbach> i had a rule for look at From when it still was X@bugs.launchpad.net
[01:42] <dholbach> that was easy
[01:42] <dholbach> now From: is   mr.x@hotmail.com and the like, but reply-to is X@bugs.launchpad.net
[01:43] <Lathiat> so ou want to filter on reply-to
[01:43] <dholbach> yes
[01:43] <Lathiat> ok i have no idea how to do that
[01:43] <dholbach> i was told to look at Spam options
[01:43] <dholbach> but apparently that was not as easy as i thought
[01:43] <dholbach> i'll have a look later
[01:44] <ajmitch> Nafallo: I haven't built for breezy yet
[01:45] <ajmitch> mm
[01:45] <ajmitch> love that resize bug
[01:46] <Nafallo> hehe
[01:48] <ajmitch> hm f-spot imported some nice old screenshots
[01:48] <ajmitch> like a desktop with e16, x11amp, netscape 4
[01:50] <havoc> heh, x11amp :)
[01:50] <havoc> *old*
[01:50] <havoc> and very badass at the time :)
[02:33] <j^> did anyone look into adding x264 packages to multiverse/universe?
[03:09] <zakame> hello all
[03:10] <sistpoty> hi zakame
[03:33] <bddebian> Hey gang
[03:33] <ajmitch> hello
[03:33] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch.  Still talking to me? :-)
[03:33] <ajmitch> maybe :P
[03:34] <bddebian> :'-(
[03:35] <ajmitch> bddebian: I still haven't caught you in bugs fixed though
[03:35] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well you will if I quit :-)
[03:35] <ajmitch> I would quite
[03:35] <hubW> there is a security bug that have been imported from debian to ubuntu bugzilla
[03:35] <ajmitch> q/quite/quit/
[03:35] <ajmitch> except it's far too much fun
[03:35] <hubW> I already filed the bug in ubuntu bugzilla
[03:35] <ajmitch> hubW: ?
[03:36] <hubW> shall I close the other as duplicate?
[03:36] <ajmitch> hubW: give us bug numbers then
[03:36] <hubW> 16165 and 16611
[03:36] <AcidPils> hi
[03:36] <ajmitch> security bugs need special checking :)
[03:36] <hubW> I reported both
[03:36] <hubW> and I provided the upstream fix
[03:36] <hubW> because I'm upstream
[03:36] <AcidPils> has anyone else problems playing .ogg files with mplayer?
[03:36] <ajmitch> hubW: ok, close one as duplicate
[03:36] <ogra> AcidPils, #ubuntu for support please...
[03:37] <ajmitch> hubW: didn't realise you worked on abiword as well :)
[03:38] <ajmitch> hubW: I'd close 16611 since noone has commented on it
[03:38] <zakame> hmmm... if there's a package that isn't in launchpad that has some bugs I'd like to report, what do I do? register that package to launchpad?
[03:38] <ajmitch> zakame: you might ask #launchpad for that
[03:39] <zakame> okies
[03:42] <hubW> ajmitch: since I'm default QA contact for abiword I get all the bugs open for it :-)
[03:42] <ajmitch> hubW: lucky you :)
[03:43] <ajmitch> hubW: I see pitti uploaded the fix into breezy
[03:43] <ogra> zakame, make sure its not a main package first ;)
[03:43] <zakame> ogra: 'tis definitely not :)
[03:44] <bddebian> irvin: We are not all masters, believe me :-)
[03:44] <irvin> today's the kernel freeze right?
[03:45] <ajmitch> bddebian: well you officially are
[03:45] <sistpoty> ogra: I'd like to break UVF for package gvr... I did some bad patches for it which shouldn't really have hitten the archives
[03:45] <irvin> first off thanks for making ubuntu!
[03:45] <ogra> sistpoty, oki
[03:46] <sistpoty> ogra: cool, thx... btw.: i had some discussion with upstream/dd on this... hopefully they will take a look at my new patches *g*
[03:46] <ogra> :)
[03:48] <sistpoty> perhaps now some MOTU has time to review c2hs? (http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/c2hs/)
[03:49] <sistpoty> (fixes FTBFS on slomos list of unmet)
[03:49] <dholbach> sistpoty: i can have a look
[03:49] <sistpoty> cool, thx dholbach
[03:49] <ajmitch> hm
[03:49] <ajmitch> how did 2am sneak up on me so fast?
[03:49] <sistpoty> i wonder this almost every night
[03:50] <sistpoty> hehe
[03:50] <ajmitch> so have I - it's been like this a few nights this week
[03:50] <ajmitch> a few bugs fixed, a few packages uploaded :)
[03:51] <xerxas> hi
[03:51] <ajmitch> hello
[03:56] <ajmitch> night all
[03:57] <sistpoty> gn8 ajmitch
[04:05] <bddebian> Gnight ajmitch
[04:11] <dholbach> sistpoty: uploaded
[04:12] <sistpoty> cool, thx
[04:15] <xerxas> I have made a gnome splash screen changer in python
[04:16] <bddebian> xerxas: Nice
[04:16] <xerxas> which looks like gnome background changer
[04:16] <bddebian> dholbach: OK, more UnmetDeps or bugs today? :-)
[04:16] <xerxas> am I dreaming if I want it to be in ubuntu ?
[04:16] <xerxas> when packaged or added to gnome-system-tools
[04:16] <dholbach> bddebian: bug triage for me :)
[04:16] <xerxas> or gnome-control-center
[04:17] <xerxas> hi bddebian, dholbach
[04:17] <ogra> xerxas, then you should contact upstream...
[04:17] <dholbach> hey xerxas
[04:17] <xerxas> ogra: gnome guys ?
[04:17] <ogra> yup
[04:18] <xerxas> (hi ogra)
[04:18] <bddebian> dholbach: NO I'm asking what I should work on (that is if I don't give up entirely ;-) )
[04:19] <dholbach> oh man
[04:19] <dholbach> why should you want to give up?
[04:19] <sistpoty> bddebian: i got s.th. for you
[04:19] <bddebian> dholbach: Rough couple of days
[04:19] <sistpoty> bddebian: missingh just needs a rebuild (i tested on i386)
[04:19] <bddebian> sistpoty: ??
[04:19] <bddebian> sistpoty: Ohh, OK
[04:20] <ogra> xerxas, but its unlikely that they will accept python stuff for their default packages... i'd rather go with a separate package for ubuntu :)
[04:20] <ogra> argh
[04:20] <xerxas> ogra:  :)
[04:21] <bddebian> sistpoty: What does it need a rebuild for?
[04:21] <dholbach> hey sebest
[04:21] <sebest> hey dholbach, what's up?!
[04:21] <sistpoty> bddebian: it's listed on unmet in slomos section... probably libghc6-missingh-dev or s.th.
[04:21] <ogra> GODDAMMED THING !
[04:21] <dholbach> sebest: bug triage! :)
[04:21] <bddebian> sistpoty: It doesn't show up in apt-cache unmet
[04:21] <sistpoty> hm...
[04:22] <ogra> i just cant belive it....
[04:22] <sebest> dholbach, the number of open bugs is schrinking? :)
[04:23] <ogra> everything works, but if i hit the unlock button the password dissapears before unlocking...
[04:23] <ogra> now i solved that....
[04:23] <sistpoty> bddebian: probably it was unmet at the time when ghc6 was unavailable... sorry for the noise then ;)
[04:23] <dholbach> sebest: we're workingon it :)
[04:23] <ogra> and the password starts dissapearing if i hi enter...
[04:23] <ogra> it worked befroe
[04:23] <ogra> grrr
[04:23] <bddebian> Man, malone seems much faster the last couple of days
[04:23] <bddebian> sistpoty: NP
[04:36] <nictuku> hi. Anybody knows why python2.2-ldap isn't available?
[04:36] <nictuku> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/web/zope-ldapuserfolder  depends on it
[04:37] <bddebian> Haven't we dropped 2.1/2.2 support?
[04:38] <dholbach> yeah, but maybe this one was not transititioned
[04:38] <dholbach> zope was a bit problematic i reckon
[04:38] <bddebian> aye
[04:39] <bddebian> nictuku: ajmitch is probably the best person to ping on that and I believe he is currently asleep
[04:39] <nictuku> I see. I'll see if I can investigate further into that.
[04:40] <dholbach> doko: do you know what happened to zope-ldapuserfolder?
[04:40] <doko> ?
[04:41] <dholbach> doko with regard to python2.[1234] 
[04:41] <doko> dholbach: ajmitch is our zope packaging expert :-)
[04:41] <dholbach> i thought you were :)
[04:41] <doko> main, not universe ;-P
[04:41] <bddebian> *poor Universe*
[04:42] <dholbach> doko: so, "no i don't happen to know" is your answer
[04:42] <bddebian> Anyone know where libxmerl-erlang is supposed to come from?
[04:42] <dholbach> from debian sid :)
[04:42] <dholbach> we should maybe synd it
[04:43] <sistpoty> bddebian: there is still a package-page for it, but neither source nor binary package or anything
[04:43] <sistpoty> bddebian: maybe you could contact the dd
[04:45] <sistpoty> bddebian: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/libxmerl-erlang
[04:46] <bddebian> sistpoty / dholbach: I see it in Debian, I was askign about Ubuntu ;-P
[04:47] <nictuku> should I use https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/zope-ldapuserfolder/+bugs or bugzilla.ubuntu.com ?
[04:47] <dholbach> if it's not there, we have to get it :)
[04:47] <doko> dholbach: so what is wrong with zope-ldapuserfolder?
[04:47] <dholbach> nictuku: launchpad
[04:47] <bddebian> Of course manderlbot is almost 2 years old so..
[04:47] <dholbach> doko: it uses python2.2-ldap, which we lack to have
[04:47] <nictuku> doko: it depends on python2.2-ldap
[04:47] <nictuku> May I try to fix this and compile it for python2.4-ldap?
[04:48] <bddebian> nictuku: Please
[04:48] <sistpoty> bddebian: you actually see libxmerl-erlang in debian? i can't apt-get source it :(
[04:48] <doko> $ apt-cache show zope-ldapuserfolder
[04:48] <doko> Package: zope-ldapuserfolder
[04:48] <doko> Priority: optional
[04:48] <doko> Section: universe/web
[04:48] <doko> Installed-Size: 468
[04:48] <doko> Maintainer: Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis <luca@debian.org>
[04:48] <doko> Architecture: all
[04:48] <doko> Version: 2.2-2ubuntu1
[04:48] <doko> Depends: zope-common (>= 0.4), zope2.7 | zope, python2.3-ldap
[04:48] <doko> no
[04:49] <bddebian> sistpoty: No I don't
[04:49] <nictuku> doko breezy?
[04:49] <bddebian> We are probably better off morgueing manderlbot
[04:50] <sistpoty> bddebian: or you could (re)package http://www.erlang.org/user.html#xmerl-0.17
[04:50] <nictuku> is it a good idea to go and upgrade ldapuserfolder to 2.5? (lastest stable version as of http://www.dataflake.org/software/ldapuserfolder/). I'd like to try that if you agree.
[04:50] <sistpoty> bddebian: but don't ask me anything bout erlang, i have not the slightest clue ;)
[04:51] <bddebian> sistpoty: Well I don't have clue about anything so you're one up on me ;-)
[04:51] <sistpoty> bddebian: you sure have a clue... you are motu, i am not ;)
[04:52] <doko> nictuku, dholbach: breezy ...
[04:54] <bddebian> sistpoty: Bah, I'm just a pain in everyones ass
[04:59] <nictuku> when reporting bugs, should I ignore hoary and always consider bugs in breezy?
[05:00] <bddebian> nictuku: Yes
[05:00] <nictuku> I mean, in this case of zope-ldapuserfolder, it seems the bugs does not exist in breezy.
[05:00] <bddebian> doko: Are you saying it's fixed in breezy?
[05:00] <doko> guys, just call apt-cache show zope-ldapuserfolder yourself ...
[05:03] <Rotund> I'm supposed to ask about potentially getting Ross Burton's newest version of Meld into Universe.
[05:03] <ivoks> hi
[05:03] <Rotund> Debian Unstable has version 1.0, but Breezy is only at 0.9.5
[05:03] <ogra> Rotund, its already in debian, right ?
[05:03] <ogra> then we can sync it :)
[05:03] <Rotund> (there was a 0.9.6 too)
[05:03] <Rotund> yes.  It's in Unstable
[05:04] <Rotund> testing has the same version we do.
[05:09] <Rotund> So.  Can someone put this on their "list of things to do"?
[05:19] <ogra> heh, tseng me too :) he used to in hoary times ...
[05:19] <tseng> yep
[05:20] <tseng> i am about to write an awesome blog i think
[05:20] <tseng> about debian/ubuntu development on the same system with xephyr and dchroot
[05:20] <tseng> inspired by ajmitch
[05:38] <sistpoty> hi slomo
[05:39] <slomo> hi sistpoty
[05:39] <sistpoty> I'm just going through your haskell list on unmet ;)
[05:39] <sistpoty> slomo:  haskell-cabal and haskell-http seem to be fine already? (can't find unmet dep there)
[05:40] <slomo> sistpoty: haskell-cabal should be morgued
[05:40] <slomo> it has broken postinst _and_ is already included in ghc6
[05:40] <sistpoty> ah, i c ;)
[05:40] <slomo> and the http thing should be fixed iirc
[05:42] <sistpoty> i didn't try to rebuild http, cause i couldn't find packages with unmet deps of this (i386)
[05:42] <slomo> ok, then it is ok
[05:42] <slomo> haskell-hsql should also be ok
[05:42] <slomo> but when haskell-http is broken it is broken in postinst... please try ;)
[05:44] <spayne> yo all
[05:44] <sistpoty> sorry, it *is* broken (depends on wrong ghc6)
[05:44] <slomo> ok, then i haven't fixed it ;)
[05:44] <spayne> \sh: my packages didn't work on kubutnu :-)
[05:44] <spayne> \sh: my packages didn't work on kubutnu :-(
[05:44] <tseng> hi slomo
[05:44] <\sh> spayne: why not?
[05:44] <slomo> hi tseng :)
[05:44] <spayne> i installed them and nothing happened - they weren't in the KDE Control Centre
[05:45] <\sh> theme manager?
[05:47] <spayne> yeh
[05:47] <spayne> although i'm not expert :)
[05:49] <bddebian> Heya slomo, Seveas, spayne, \sh ;-)
[05:49] <sistpoty> slomo: haskelldb only needs a rebuilt
[05:50] <spayne> yo bddebian
[05:50] <spayne> \sh: it is not under window decoration
[05:50] <spayne> \sh: i will install synaptic to see where the packages have been installed
[05:50] <\sh> spayne: make the packages public...I'll test them after I installed my laptop from scratch
[05:51] <spayne> \sh: how?
[05:51] <\sh> spayne: put it on a webserver...give me the url...i#ll catch them
[05:51] <spayne> kk
[05:53] <spayne> \sh: found out why it didn't work
[05:53] <spayne> \sh: it only has installed these files: /usr/share/doc/kwin-activeheart
[06:00] <bddebian> Is ghc5 unbuildable?
[06:01] <sistpoty> i haven't tried yet...
[06:02] <sistpoty> bddebian: last upload for debian was feb 05, but there is only one buildlog for mips which is maybe-failed...
[06:05] <spayne> what would i need to put into a Makefile for a python install
[06:05] <spayne> this is pyvnc2swf atm
[06:05] <spayne> as there is no compiling needed
[06:05] <spayne> just a 'make install'
[06:06] <spayne> but there is no install defined
[06:08] <sistpoty> spayne: imo you just need a make install target... but i don't know about the exact policy where site-packages stuff should be located and what to call as postinst
[06:09] <spayne> \sh: how can i find out why those kwin things have made proper packages
[06:14] <bddebian> tseng: Should xming work with putty?
[06:14] <tseng> beats me
[06:14] <spayne> where is the list of packages that need work on
[06:14] <spayne> i'm trying to find something
[06:14] <tseng> i export DISPLAY
[06:15] <bddebian> tseng: Ahh
[06:17] <spayne> ??
[06:17] <bddebian> spayne: Which list?
[06:18] <spayne> i'm looking for a good package to package up
[06:18] <spayne> i think i have it at UniverseCandidates
[06:18] <spayne> i might give ResApplet a go
[06:18] <spayne> as i have had that building before on GNOME
[06:20] <sistpoty> spayne: you know that we are in UpstreamVersionFreeze right now?
[06:20] <spayne> i thought it didn't matter for universe?
[06:21] <sistpoty> actually it does... however ogra and dholbach can make exceptions
[06:21] <spayne> why was \sh suggesting i package those kwin themes then?
[06:21] <tseng> there is not a freeze on new packages
[06:22] <tseng> but it is prefered that people work on transitions and fixing stuff instead
[06:22] <ogra> spayne, we have priories, as tseng says
[06:22] <sistpoty> ah ok, thanks for making this clear ;)
[06:22] <ogra> first of all we need to get universe in releasable state...
[06:23] <ogra> sistpoty, as if we hadnt talked about that 1000 times now... (at least in the last 3 meetings)
[06:23] <spayne> i just thought resapplet is very useful for laptop guys
[06:24] <sistpoty> ogra: yeah, i know... i just thought apt-get.org was the exception ;)
[06:30] <spayne> what catagory would resapplet be?
[06:36] <spayne> brb
[06:47] <spayne> this looks as if it might actually worek
[06:48] <spayne> s/worek/work
[06:58] <spayne> \sh: i'm building resapplet (quite sucessfully as well)
[06:58] <spayne> \sh: who should i ask about menu entries in the GNOME menu?
[06:58] <\sh> spayne: kewl...
[06:58] <\sh> spayne: the .desktop files ;)
[06:59] <spayne> \sh: i use it several times a week so it made sense to package it
[06:59] <spayne> \sh: yeh but at the moment, it is going into Other
[06:59] <spayne> is it an Accessory or System Tool?
[06:59] <\sh> spayne: check the desktop files and the xdg specs on freedesktop.org
[07:05] <bddebian> Hmm, what's the best way to make patches for cdbs packages?
[07:06] <tseng> include simple-patchsys from cdbs
[07:06] <tseng> and use cdbs-edit-patch
[07:06] <tseng> or just normal diff
[07:06] <bddebian> It's already included
[07:06] <tseng> its not a special format like dpatch
[07:06] <bddebian> Well simple-patchsys is
[07:06] <tseng> just a normal diff
[07:06] <bddebian> And just put it in debian/patches?
[07:06] <tseng> drop it in debian/patches is all you need
[07:06] <tseng> yessir
[07:06] <bddebian> Heh, thx
[07:06] <tseng> cant get any easier than that
[07:08] <spayne> btw how does pbuilder work - it is amazing
[07:08] <spayne> tseng: banshee is great btw
[07:09] <tseng> yes.
[07:09] <tseng> pbuilder just uses a chroot
[07:09] <tseng> and does apt-get build-dep package
[07:10] <tseng> when its done, it removes all that stuff again
[07:10] <spayne> YES! IT WORKED :-)
[07:10] <spayne> my first proper package build and install properly
[07:10] <spayne> YES!
[07:11] <bddebian> tseng: Does debian/rules patch work with that?
[07:11] <bddebian> Just to test?
[07:11] <tseng> bddebian: hm?
[07:11] <tseng> oh
[07:11] <tseng> bddebian: hm?
[07:11] <spayne> this has made my day
[07:11] <spayne> lintain doesn't like it though
[07:12] <bddebian> tseng: With cdbs can I still do "debian/rules patch" to test if my patch applies?
[07:13] <tseng> i guess
[07:13] <tseng> dunno
[07:15] <bddebian> tseng: np, thx
[07:31] <dholbach> hey slomo
[07:31] <dholbach> hey markuman
[07:31] <slomo> hi dholbach
[07:32] <spayne> dholbach: i did it - i made a package that WORKS!
[07:33] <dholbach> ROCK'N'ROLL
[07:33] <slomo> where is crimsun? he broke everything that uses ffmpeg...
[07:33] <dholbach> he did?
[07:33] <spayne> dholbach: resapplet - a great app
[07:33] <dholbach> spayne: you're working yourself through wiki/UniverseCandidates now?
[07:33] <Nafallo> lol
[07:34] <slomo> dholbach: yes... updated it and now nothing can be rebuilt against it... except vlc
[07:34] <spayne> dholbach: yes :) the kwin ones failed i don't have the time to get KDE working
[07:34] <spayne> dholbach: i use resapplet every day so this made sense
[07:34] <slomo> dholbach: it's all still usable (static linking....) but unbuildable
[07:34] <dholbach> spayne: rock, super
[07:35] <dholbach> ouch :/
[07:35] <spayne> dholbach: just trying to get lintain happy
[07:36] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, being generous with giving bugs again I see
[07:36] <slomo> dholbach: that was for example one reason why i wanted to use marillat's ffmpeg version and everything but elmo doesn't respond to me regarding that...
[07:37] <dholbach> hm :((
[07:37] <dholbach> maybe discuss it on ubuntu-devel@?
[07:37] <dholbach> i mean you just worked on it for some time
[07:38] <slomo> no time... otherwise i would have done that already...
[07:38] <slomo> at least i got it out of main... now i just need it and all packages depending on it in multiverse...
[07:41] <Nafallo> slomo: is that what you plan to do tomorrow? :-)
[07:41] <slomo> no... crimsun's update broke everything... seems like he even incremented the epoch so everything is lost now ;)
[07:42] <Nafallo> joy ;-)
[07:47] <markuman> ehm, ive check out: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/xfce4/+bug/584 it only happend with mousepad-0.2.0. but in breezy universe there is mousepad-0.2.2 and there it works. is it ok to refer to breezy - also it has not stable status?
[07:47] <markuman> or what could i do?
[07:48] <slomo> close the bug
[07:52] <markuman> Status: fixed ?
[07:52] <Amaranth> mark it as fixed and leave a comment saying it's fixed in 0.2.2 in breezy
[07:52] <markuman> ok thx!
[07:53] <janimo> hey
[07:53] <janimo> if I uploaded a pack with hoary in the dist field
[07:53] <janimo> and got obviously REJECTED
[07:54] <janimo> the next upload should bump the ubuntuX version?
[07:58] <Amaranth> couldn't hurt
[07:59] <Nafallo> ehm, why? the wrong package got rejected...
[07:59] <Nafallo> no need to bump it again for a package that isn't in the archive...
[08:00] <janimo> Naffalo, I try another dput after correcting the changelog but got the msg that it's already uploaded
[08:00] <janimo> so I bumped and uploaded again
[08:01] <Nafallo> hmm, did you use the right sourcepackage?
[08:01] <Nafallo> have you checked that noone else uploaded a package with changes you don't have incorporated in your package?
[08:01] <janimo> I dput, got REJECT, tweaked changelog, debuild -S, dput got error msg
[08:01] <janimo> in this order :)
[08:01] <Mithrandir> janimo: rm the .upload from the previous run
[08:02] <Nafallo> lol
[08:02] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: good catch :-)
[08:02] <Mithrandir> Nafallo: dude, I've been making those mistakes for years, I should know what can go wrong at different steps by now. :-P
[08:03] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: oh. you make mistakes? :-)
[08:03] <janimo> Mithandir, thanks I'll know better next time, now I just bumped the version
[08:03] <Mithrandir> Nafallo: don't tell anybody. :-)
[08:03] <Nafallo> naah
[08:04] <janimo> I was wondering how come it almost instantly knew over a slow link I had uploaded but thought hey
[08:05] <Nafallo> but then again. I'm to lazy to rm things. I just use -f ;-)
[08:09] <spayne> dholbach: the only error i get from lintain is there is no manpage, does this matter?
[08:10] <ivoks> so, how's everybody?
[08:10] <markuman> :-)
[08:10] <dholbach> it's always VERY good to have one
[08:10] <dholbach> hey ivoks
[08:10] <ivoks> hey Daniel
[08:10] <dholbach> spayne: it's an applet, right?
[08:10] <spayne> dholbach: except there isn't one from CVS
[08:11] <spayne> yes
[08:11] <dholbach> spayne: it's trivially easy to write one
[08:11] <dholbach> spayne: but for an applet i'd say it's not that important
[08:11] <dholbach> spayne: if you look at gparted (apt-get source gparted), you'll see how i did it
[08:12] <spayne> dholbach: so, when it is ready, will you upload it for me?
[08:12] <dholbach> spayne: it has to be reviewed
[08:12] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackagesPolicy
[08:12] <spayne> how do i go about it>
[08:12] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[08:12] <spayne> but i don't have my signed GPG key
[08:13] <dholbach> *cry a fair bit*
[08:13] <spayne> i thought you said you could upload it for me
[08:13] <dholbach> then you will have to upload it somewhere and you'll have to pester two people who will review it for you and both have to say "yes, resapplet is LOVE" in the end
[08:13] <dholbach> then I (or some other MOTU) can upload it
[08:14] <spayne> dholbach: i will put the bits on my website in 5 min
[08:14] <ivoks> dholbach: recruting? :)
[08:14] <dholbach> yeah, take your time
[08:14] <dholbach> just ask some folks to review it
[08:14] <spayne> will you review it?
[08:14] <spayne> bddebian: will you review it?
[08:15] <ivoks> hm..
[08:15] <ivoks> we are kind of too close to release, aren't we?
[08:15] <ivoks> bringing new packages now wouldn't be so smart...
[08:15] <ivoks> so, for next release?
[08:16] <siretart> spayne: for revu, you don't need a signed key (yet) ;)
[08:16] <ivoks> (i could be wrong)
[08:16] <spayne> dholbach: any comments?
[08:16] <slomo> ivoks: a new package doesn't break something... and when it works at least a bit it is an improvement over not having it ;)
[08:16] <ivoks> slomo: true
[08:16] <dholbach> slomo: ++
[08:16] <dholbach> we shouldnt focus on bringing new stuff in
[08:16] <spayne> and it iwll help those with laptops
[08:17] <dholbach> but as i'm working on AptGetOrg, i'm happy to get stuff in that's well-maintained too
[08:20] <dholbach> it's all about ExpandingUniverse :)
[08:25] <dholbach> wow, apt-get.org package called p0rn-comfort, as Ubuntu we MUST have it
[08:25] <dholbach> excellent
[08:25] <bddebian> heh
[08:26] <dholbach> "support programs for browsing image-gallery sites"
[08:26] <janimo> dholbach, provide screenshots on REVU ;)
[08:26] <dholbach> of COURSE :)
[08:26] <Nafallo> wow
[08:27] <dholbach> "you can control the program magnificently with just ONE hand" - .... just kidding
[08:27] <dholbach> that's not in debian/control ;-)
[08:27] <\sh> dholbach: hehehe
[08:27] <Nafallo> ROTFL
[08:28] <Nafallo> hmm
[08:28] <dholbach> http://www.cgarbs.de/p0rn-comfort.en.html
[08:28] <Nafallo> I hope bash.org get that one distributed quickly enough ;-)
[08:31] <dholbach> :)
[08:31] <spayne> no errors from lintain!
[08:33] <spayne> dholbach: http://www.evolutioncolt.com/~spayne/packages/resapplet
[08:33] <dholbach> set it on my list
[08:33] <dholbach> will do later
[08:33] <dholbach> right?
[08:34] <spayne> yep
[08:34] <spayne> bddebian: will you take a look and see if it is OK?
[08:34] <spayne> bddebian: you can find it at http://www.evolutioncolt.com/~spayne/packages/resapplet
[08:34] <spayne> or anyone else really
[08:34] <spayne> the resapplet packages are up and ready for testing at http://www.evolutioncolt.com/~spayne/packages/resapplet
[08:35] <slomo> spayne: just say it one time and not three times at once ;)
[08:35] <spayne> lol
[08:37] <bddebian> spayne: Trying now
[08:37] <spayne> thanks
[08:37] <spayne> you can find the menu link in Applications --> Accessories
[08:37] <spayne> it doesn't depend on much - just gnome stuff
[08:42] <dholbach> slomo: we'll have a gbs-plugin for xmms soon - we could use that for bmp too, couldnt we? ;)
[08:43] <dholbach> "gameboy sounds" ;)
[08:43] <bddebian> spayne: Seems fine to me
[08:43] <slomo> dholbach: most probably
[08:43] <spayne> bddebian: it installed ok and you can change your resolution?
[08:43] <slomo> but maybe needs some porting to gtk2... and i have no time atm ;)
[08:43] <dholbach> yeah
[08:43] <bddebian> spayne: I can't test it yet cause I'm at work ssh'd in :-)
[08:44] <bddebian> But it builds/installs fine
[08:44] <spayne> good :-)
[08:45] <dholbach> slomo: ok, we won't get it, licensing... again
[08:45] <bddebian> Ah I see the -devel ML hates me too :'-(
[08:45] <bddebian> :-)
[08:45] <dholbach> bddebian: ...
[08:45] <dholbach> bddebian: ......
[08:45] <dholbach> bddebian: .........
[08:46] <slomo> dholbach: wonderful...
[08:47] <slomo> bddebian: but mosml should be doable
[08:47] <bddebian> slomo: mosml?
[08:47] <slomo> err... dholbach was meant ;)
[08:48] <bddebian> w00t, wipe another UnmetDep off the list
[08:50] <spayne> found an error with it
[08:50] <spayne> PLEASE! no one else try it
[08:54] <ivoks> o lol!
[08:54] <ivoks> "netatalk": Installation and maintenance is far more complex than EtherShare
[08:54] <ivoks> what drugs are these guys on? :)
[08:55] <ivoks> netatalk installation complex? maintenance? :)))
[08:55] <dholbach> 5 years ago it was horrible :)
[08:55] <dholbach> that's all i can say
[08:55] <dholbach> never tried it after that again
[08:55] <ivoks> now it's piece of cake
[08:55] <ivoks> i have it on 5 locations
[08:55] <spayne> hmm - when i run 'Configure Display Settings;, it says "/opt/gnome/bin/gnomesu" not found
[08:55] <dholbach> mac users...
[08:55] <spayne> looks like a suse problem
[08:55] <ivoks> install, configure, never hear again from clients :)
[08:55] <\sh> I installed it in 2002 ... easy as hell...nice to work with...
[08:56] <ivoks> 2.x version is great
[08:56] <\sh> windows nt 4 <-> linux with samba + netatalk/appleshare <-> apple G3 ,-)
[08:56] <ivoks> it doesn't crash anymore
[08:56] <ivoks> \sh: yeah, my story too :)
[08:56] <\sh> since then apple could write on windows nt 4 without problems...and windows nt 4 could burn stuff from apple g3 appleshare
[08:57] <\sh> we shared windows nt 4 mounts via samba towards appleshare/netatalk to apple mac os (not X)
[08:57] <dholbach> "Copyright: <Must follow here>"
[08:57] <ivoks> X is crap :[
[08:57] <dholbach> super
[08:59] <bddebian> uhhh
[08:59] <\sh> dholbach: wasn't super..after this session, the exchange 5.5 server crashed, and this version was a private copy of the ex-sysadmin in this company...so official bought version was 5.0 and the downgrade from 5.5 to 5.0 is more a pain then a pleasure
[08:59] <dholbach> \sh: i was referring to: "Copyright: <Must follow here>"
[08:59] <\sh> oh ;)
[08:59] <ivoks> :>>
[09:01] <bddebian> Bah, Use Dave to access Windows shares from Smash-n-toss
[09:02] <ivoks> dholbach: reviewing packages? :)
[09:02] <ivoks> 20 clients for Helios = 2600 euros
[09:02] <ivoks> omg :)
[09:02] <ivoks> ok, i'm offtopic... sorry
[09:02] <dholbach> ivoks: yep
[09:02] <dholbach> ivoks: wiki/AptGetOrg
[09:05] <\sh> wohooooo MAKO !!! http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/64451
[09:05] <\sh> the 100 Dollar Laptop is there ;)
[09:06] <spayne> how handy is this? I've become a C hacker!
[09:06] <hub> netatalk today is nice
[09:07] <hub> I worked on netatalk here
[09:07] <ivoks> hub: netatalk is great
[09:07] <ivoks> it better integrated with CUPS then samba :)
[09:08] <hub> ivoks: samba and cups work fine
[09:08] <hub> I worked on that too :-)
[09:08] <hub> the PITA is ZeroConf
[09:09] <Lathiat> yeh im gonna look at that for dapper
[09:09] <Lathiat> first by seeing if apple have published their stuff that does it
[09:09] <ivoks> hub: they work fine, but you can't beat netatalk
[09:09] <hub> well
[09:09] <hub> if you use a Mac, use IPP
[09:09] <ivoks> hub: it's one line :))
[09:09] <hub> no need for netatalk :-)
[09:09] <ivoks> mac9
[09:09] <hub> ah
[09:10] <hub> forgot that there are still people using that
[09:10] <hub> use lpr :-)
[09:10] <ivoks> i don't run netatalk at all on osx
[09:10] <hub> ivoks: netatalk on Linux for MacOS X clients
[09:10] <ivoks> hub: right
[09:10] <hub> ivoks: still make sense for files
[09:10] <ivoks> hub: on osx i connect via SMB
[09:10] <ivoks> faster and easier...
[09:10] <hub> not really
[09:10] <hub> messier
[09:11] <ivoks> OSX is mess by definition :)
[09:11] <Lathiat> haha
[09:11] <ivoks> i acctually hate it
[09:11] <hub> ivoks: there are actually several good things and we should "copy"
[09:12] <ivoks> hub: several, but all other are very bad :)
[09:12] <ivoks> hub: things theu copied from us are very bad :)
[09:12] <ivoks> they
[09:12] <ivoks> like samba and cups :)
[09:12] <hub> ....
[09:12] <ivoks> osx's smbclient doesn't support large files
[09:12] <hub> ivoks: that's why I use Netatalk
[09:12] <hub> 2.0.3 support large files
[09:12] <hub> and it works well
[09:12] <ivoks> i know
[09:12] <hub> I wrote a test suite for that
[09:13] <ivoks> that's why i have netatalk for osx on one location
[09:13] <ivoks> that's one of many reasons i hate OSX :)
[09:13] <ivoks> and that cups with ipp://IP/ipp/printer
[09:13] <hub> I hate OSX for other reasons
[09:13] <ivoks> instead of IP/printers/printer
[09:13] <hub> that other reason
[09:13] <hub> I hate them for that
[09:13] <spayne> \sh: how do i add another entry to the changelog
[09:13] <ivoks> a**holes
[09:14] <spayne> can anyone tell me
[09:14] <spayne> i need to bump the version to ubuntu2
[09:14] <hub> ivoks: that's why I implement Zeroconf advertising
[09:14] <spayne> so what do i do?
[09:14] <spayne> edit the files by hand or just use a command?
[09:14] <ivoks> hub: i'll think of that too :)
[09:14] <hub> but I should one day redo using Avahi
[09:14] <\sh> spayne: dch -i
[09:14] <bigcx2> spayne: dch
[09:14] <hub> inside CUPS
[09:14] <hub> like they do on Mac
[09:14] <spayne> \sh: my first package worked nicely
[09:14] <hub> the patched CUPS to send a message to the system to tell to reload the list of queues
[09:15] <spayne> \sh: i had to do some C hacking to get it working with GNOME but it totally rocks
[09:15] <spayne> \sh: i just need two MOTUs to test it out :)
[09:15] <\sh> spayne: set your ENV var: DEBMAIL and DEBNAME according to your needs ;) for dch ;)
[09:15] <hub> and some daemon advertise them
[09:15] <ivoks> avahi-daemon :)
[09:15] <Lathiat> hub: yes,k you should :)
[09:15] <hub> I'll try to attend Zeroconf BOF a UBZ
[09:15] <hub> Lathiat: yeah.
[09:16] <hub> Lathiat: and implement mdns: handler for CUPS
[09:16] <hub> because Apple'
[09:16] <Lathiat> hopefully others willl pimp it for me
[09:16] <hub> s is not open source
[09:16] <hub> Lathiat: I'm local for UBZ
[09:16] <ivoks> don't we have that in breezy allready?
[09:16] <hub> ivoks: yep
[09:16] <ivoks> guys
[09:16] <ivoks> ddrake will rock the world
[09:16] <crimsun> 'night \sh
[09:17] <spayne> \sh: thanks for you help
[09:17] <\sh> spayne: wasn't a great help today...:( but sunday, monday this will change..then I bang again...
[09:18] <ivoks> oo2 rc
[09:18] <ivoks> they will release it just after breezy
[09:18] <ivoks> those baggers :)
[09:18] <ivoks> badgers
[09:18] <ivoks> arghghgh not my day :)
[09:19] <hub> we are releasing abiword 2.4 RSN
[09:19] <hub> won't be in Breezy either
[09:19] <spayne> auch - that is a bugger
[09:19] <hub> Lathiat: the thing is that I used howl as a mDNSResponder
[09:19] <hub> Lathiat: and other trick to get it configured
[09:20] <spayne> backports for OOo2 Final?
[09:22] <crimsun> hub, not before 13 Oct?
[09:22] <ivoks> spayne: only when oo gets in dapper
[09:22] <crimsun> as long as "RSN" < 13 Oct, that won't be a problem
[09:22] <hub> crimsun: soon, but I have been told that breezy is frozen
[09:22] <hub> ok
[09:22] <hub> I'll push
[09:22] <spayne> YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
[09:22] <spayne> it worked
[09:23] <crimsun> hub, oh, apologies, part of the packages are in main
[09:23] <hub> crimsun: it is in main
[09:23] <hub> crimsun: that's why
[09:23] <ivoks> :[
[09:23] <spayne> so when you choose Configure Display Settings, it pops up the GNOME thing!
[09:23] <crimsun> yes
[09:23] <spayne> dholbach: ping
[09:23] <ivoks> hub: then, no chance :/
[09:23] <hub> can I make it for universe?
[09:23] <crimsun> I was looking only at 'abiword'
[09:23] <dholbach> spayne: pong
[09:23] <crimsun> hub, nope. Unfortunately abiword is a main package. Sorry.
[09:23] <spayne> dholbach: i fixed it
[09:24] <dholbach> spayne: super
[09:24] <slomo> crimsun: you broke all stuff depending on ffmpeg/libavcodec :(
[09:24] <hub> crimsun: yeah I know it is in main.
[09:24] <dholbach> spayne: but i'm still working on something else
[09:24] <hub> crimsun: probably on of the only distro
[09:24] <crimsun> slomo, all the rdepends?
[09:24] <spayne> dholbach: i know - just saying new packages are up
[09:24] <hub> FC4 put us on Extras
[09:24] <crimsun> slomo, ABI change or ?
[09:24] <slomo> crimsun: build rdepends... it's linked in statically
[09:24] <slomo> crimsun: API changed
[09:24] <spayne> in one even
[09:24] <slomo> crimsun: so we now have all working packages but they are not buildable anymore
[09:25] <spayne> i have built my first package
[09:25] <spayne> AND hacked some C code
[09:25] <crimsun> slomo, where do they die?
[09:25] <dholbach> spayne: how did you patch the source?
[09:25] <spayne> i edited it
[09:25] <spayne> src/resapplet.c
[09:26] <tseng> bad idea
[09:26] <spayne> remove the YAST2 stuff can changed it to GDP
[09:26] <spayne> tseng: did i do wrong?
[09:26] <dholbach> tseng: give spayne THE link :)
[09:26] <tseng> yes.
[09:26] <tseng> *THE*
[09:26] <dholbach> yeah
[09:26] <dholbach> you're blog
[09:26] <slomo> crimsun: everywhere ;) i haven't actually tried but told Nafallo to try it with transcode and it failed miserable... so i bet everything except vlc will fail the same way...
[09:26] <dholbach> you know what i mean ;)
[09:26] <tseng> http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=7
[09:26] <dholbach> woohoo :)
[09:26] <spayne> sorry guys
[09:26] <dholbach> dpatch-fun
[09:26] <spayne> this is my first try
[09:27] <spayne> sorry dholbach
[09:27] <dholbach> spayne: don't worry
[09:27] <tseng> spayne: use dpatch please
[09:27] <dholbach> spayne: no problem
[09:27] <spayne> tseng: going now
[09:27] <dholbach> spayne: but as a package maintainer, you just do changes in debian/*
[09:27] <spayne> right
[09:27] <crimsun> slomo, ok, will look now.
[09:27] <dholbach> spayne: so all you will have to do is patch the source in a patch in debian/patches
[09:27] <dholbach> spayne: dpatch lets you instantly do this
[09:28] <slomo> crimsun: we probably need new upstream versions of everything... or do you know the libavcodec internals? ;)
[09:30] <crimsun> slomo, we can iron it out. Let's get a list of apps that b-d on it.
[09:30] <spayne> tseng: do i need to remove the changes i have made to the file previously?
[09:31] <tseng> yes
[09:31] <tseng> editing the source in place like that will put the changes in diff.gz
[09:31] <tseng> which is completely unmaintainable
[09:31] <slomo> crimsun: ok... but i really don't have the time for that stuff now... after next wednesday i can look into this
[09:31] <tseng> well its possible.. just pretty poor
[09:32] <spayne> dholbach: got it - looks like a nifty prog
[09:32] <slomo> crimsun: i've already done exactly the same for our previous libavcodec version... it's really a mess
[09:32] <dholbach> ROCK
[09:32] <spayne> hmm - what does make: *** No rule to make target `unpatch'.  Stop.
[09:32] <spayne>  mean
[09:32] <crimsun> slomo, ok. I'll look at transcode now then.
[09:34] <ivoks> see you later guys
[09:34] <crimsun> bye, ivoks
[09:34] <ivoks> spayne: you use dpatch?
[09:35] <spayne> yeh
[09:35] <spayne> where do i run dpatch from?
[09:35] <ivoks> maybe even cdbs? :)
[09:35] <tseng> top of the source tree
[09:35] <spayne> what's the error
[09:35] <spayne> i ran dpatch-edit-patch 01resapplet
[09:35] <ivoks> before that
[09:35] <ivoks> you have to create patch and unpatch rules in debian/rules
[09:35] <tseng> you need some rules
[09:35] <tseng> indeed
[09:35] <ivoks> tseng: high 5 :)
[09:36] <slomo> crimsun: thanks... but also consider my more aggresive approch i wanted to do when elmo finally answers me... ;) i wanted to move all the ffmpeg stuff to multiverse and replace it with marillat's package which has many advantages and also some for exactly this problem: we would get unmet deps for everything when the abi changes and really notice it instead of leaving many unbuildable installable packages flying around
[09:36] <tseng>  debian/rules
[09:36] <ivoks> spayne: checkout dpatch documentation
[09:36] <ivoks> spayne: you have few examples
[09:37] <spayne> will do
[09:37] <ivoks> spayne: /usr/share/doc/dpatch/examples/rules/rules.dh.gz is for you
[09:37] <tseng> i didnt include it at the time because cdbs "just works"
[09:37] <tseng> and alot of debhelper stuff already includes dpatch
[09:37] <slomo> tseng: or just fails in some cases ;)
[09:37] <ivoks> tseng: funny thing... cdbs has one bug with dpatch
[09:37] <tseng> should fix it
[09:37] <ivoks> tseng: reported a year ago
[09:37] <spayne> thanks
[09:37] <tseng> ivoks: yes?
[09:37] <ivoks> easy to fix
[09:38] <tseng> ivoks: lets beat up j^
[09:38] <ivoks> and no one did anything :)
[09:38] <tseng> ivoks: lets not beat up j^, i mean jbailey
[09:38] <ivoks> :)
[09:38] <ivoks> it should have unpatch: deapply-patches
[09:39] <ivoks> but who am I to fix that :))
[09:39] <tseng> i use cdbs with simple-patchsys
[09:39] <tseng> and debhelper with dpatch
[09:39] <ivoks> i don't use cdbs at all for now...
[09:39] <tseng> :P
[09:40] <ivoks> i'm still fresh in packaging
[09:40] <ivoks> but cdbs is easy way to do things
[09:40] <ivoks> i don't know how scalable it is
[09:41] <dholbach> ivoks: you should have a talk with jbailey about that :)
[09:41] <dholbach> he'll be delighted :)
[09:41] <ivoks> why? :)
[09:41] <dholbach> because he writes it and cracks on cdbs2
[09:41] <ivoks> nice
[09:41] <ivoks> well..
[09:41] <dholbach> and apart from that he ROCKs
[09:41] <slomo> oh cool... then i'll have to talk to him too
[09:41] <ivoks> i'll just jump in -devel, shout "cdbs sucks" and run away :)
[09:42] <dholbach> he's here :)
[09:42] <dholbach> jbailey: did you hear that: ^ ^
[09:42] <ivoks> those kids... when you leave computer on a few minutes, they are typing some nasty things..
[09:42] <dholbach> hahaha
[09:42] <ivoks> :)
[09:43] <slomo> jbailey: ping? can you do something about http://bugs.debian.org/326926 ?
[09:43] <ivoks> slomo: don't wake the dragon, man! :)
[09:43] <spayne> dholbach: i have put my name down to apply for a member at the next CC meeting
[09:43] <jbailey> slomo: Not for breezy...
[09:43] <dholbach> spayne: excellent, get some stuff done on packaging/motu stuff and you'll be fine
[09:44] <spayne> dholbach: i hope to get resapplet done this evening
[09:44] <slomo> jbailey: ok, np :)
[09:44] <spayne> dholbach: and a two or three before by the 11th Oct which should be good
[09:44] <spayne> my wiki page is SebPayne
[09:44] <jbailey> slomo: And for all that, I need help with cdbs2. =)
[09:44] <ivoks> :)
[09:45] <jbailey> Any of you REALLY like CDBS, adn REALLY wish that it DIDN'T suck.
[09:45] <ivoks> jbailey: cdbs is great stuff :)
[09:45] <jbailey> And REALLY like programming in posix shell? =)
[09:45] <jbailey> I need help. = )
[09:45] <spayne> why so many packages through today me wonders
[09:45] <tseng> i was good up until you said posix
[09:45] <tseng> im a fool for bashisms
[09:46] <slomo> jbailey: except one part i would do it... i don't like shell programming ;)
[09:46] <tseng> slomo: scripting is the true way
[09:46] <ivoks> ok, i have few books about shell programing
[09:46] <ivoks> maybe i could give it a try...
[09:46] <slomo> tseng: sure... but not that complex things ;)
[09:46] <dholbach> jbailey: you have an incredible fan base :)
[09:47] <jbailey> ivoks: Great.  It's in the alioth svn right now, but I want to move it to bzr shorly to make getting patches from folks even easier.
[09:47] <tseng> slomo: i would call my snmp engine "complex"
[09:47] <tseng> slomo: and it is like 300 lines of tcl
[09:47] <jbailey> ivoks: I'll get that set really shortly and give you a tour. =)
[09:47] <ivoks> jbailey: well, i would have to read books first
[09:47] <jbailey> dholbach: =)
[09:47] <jbailey> ivoks: Use the source, Luke!
[09:47] <spayne> is Xubuntu ubuntu with XFCE btw?
[09:47] <jbailey> ivoks: Seriously, I can explain any pieces that you're missing.
[09:47] <ivoks> jbailey: thanks, i hope you will tutor me, since i'm total idiot for shell :)
[09:48] <jbailey> ivoks: You'll find it remarkably regular.  There aren 't that many quirks, which is usually the hard part of coding.
[09:48] <ivoks> i edit changelog with gedit :)
[09:48] <dholbach> ivoks: you don't do it with OOo that's something :)
[09:48] <ivoks> dholbach: i was sick of slow load :)
[09:48] <dholbach> hahahaha
[09:49] <ivoks> dholbach: so I got my self powerfull GUI tools
[09:49] <ivoks> jbailey: well, I would really love to help you
[09:49] <jbailey> That would be awesome.
[09:49] <ivoks> jbailey: so, when you set it up, beep me
[09:50] <jbailey> I feel sad because I demoed cdbs2 for the first time in Oldenburg last year.
[09:50] <slomo> jbailey: maybe i can help out in 2 weeks too... so you can tutor me and ivoks at the same time or something ;)
[09:50] <jbailey> And cdbs1 is just painful to use by comparison.
[09:50] <jbailey> My goal is to make something that even ogra will love. ;)
[09:50] <ivoks> slomo: no groupies! one by one :)
[09:50] <ogra> heh
[09:50] <jbailey> slomo: As long as "in two weeks" means after the breezy release then lovely ;)
[09:51] <ivoks> jbailey: i can't before breezy, either... so, after BB
[09:51] <slomo> jbailey: yes... after breezy release, after my remaining annoying bugs and after my exams =)
[09:51] <jbailey> BB?
[09:51] <ivoks> breezy badger
[09:51] <ivoks> BB
[09:51] <ivoks> WW HH BB PP
[09:51] <ivoks> s/PP/DD
[09:51] <jbailey> Oh, I see. =)
[09:51] <jbailey> *sigh*
[09:52] <jbailey> Another joyous acronym.
[09:52] <ivoks> it's shorter :)
[09:52] <slomo> would be much cooler if the starting letters of all release form a word or sentence ;)
[09:52] <ivoks> yeah
[09:52] <ivoks> lik
[09:52] <ivoks> like
[09:52] <ivoks> we will rule the world :)
[09:52] <spayne> slomo: i agree
[09:52] <zyga> LL - Larry Laffer
[09:53] <zyga> DD - Ducky Duck ;-)
[09:53] <zyga> hehe
[09:53] <ivoks> EE - Edgy Edgar
[09:53] <slomo> lol
[09:53] <ivoks> :)
[09:53] <ivoks> or RR - Ricky Martin
[09:53] <zyga> ?
[09:54] <ivoks> other R is for Retard :)
[09:54] <slomo> tseng: and for tcl... i don't remember seeing any tcl code yet ;)
[09:54] <ivoks> oh, i'm in the mood today :)
[09:54] <zyga> II - Icky Iguana
[09:54] <tseng> slomo: youd love it
[09:54] <slomo> tseng: do you have some example code?
[09:54] <tseng> slomo: maybe
[09:55] <tseng> slomo: my stuff at work is a different style from most people i think, more GNU C
[09:55] <ivoks> see you guys
[09:55] <ivoks> or better to say
[09:55] <ivoks> see you friends
[09:55] <slomo> tseng: btw... while we're at cool, weird languages... the c# 3.0 sql-like stuff is cool =)
[09:55] <slomo> tseng: hm... can you show me one file or a small snippet? :)
[09:56] <tseng> i cant log in to work
[09:56] <tseng> i am at home sick
[09:56] <ivoks> tseng: get better!!!!
[09:56] <ivoks> bye
[09:57] <tseng> slomo: here http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:t6ZCPM8kiXwJ:svn.orcaware.com/repos/branches/orca/import_orca_services_2.0/packages/rrdtool-1.0.41/tcl/ifOctets.tcl+tcl+rrdtool+tnm&hl=en
[09:57] <slomo> tseng: oh :( hm, maybe you should do some kind of vacation for 2 weeks and relax completely without internet... you're much too often ill :/
[09:58] <tseng> i am off until monday :)
[09:58] <tseng> i used that code as an example for something before actually
[09:59] <tseng> but mine is nicer :P
[10:00] <slomo> hm... why doesn't it have tclsh in the shebang? but other than that this language looks interesting =) what advantages does it have?
[10:01] <tseng> it has bindings for all the stuff i need
[10:01] <tseng> and it has Expect
[10:01] <tseng> ever seen that?
[10:01] <slomo> nope... what does it do?
[10:01] <tseng> http://expect.nist.gov/
[10:01] <tseng> you can script actual interactive sessions
[10:01] <tseng> like logging into a router and getting/setting stuff
[10:02] <slomo> hm perfect :) some time ago i saerched something like this and found nothing
[10:02] <slomo> but is there nothing similar for other languages?
[10:02] <tseng> there are ports
[10:02] <tseng> but expect is the original
[10:03] <slomo> oh... found a expect port for python ;)
[10:04] <tseng> man, but expect is elite
[10:04] <tseng> (for tcl)
[10:04] <slomo> at least it sounds elite :) so the ports should be good too... when they're well done ;)
[10:05] <slomo> what other advantages did tcl have? (bindings for everything and expect is also true for python for example ;) )
[10:05] <tseng> python-rrdtool?
[10:05] <slomo> but at least the syntax of tcl looks nice :) something really weird that does things
[10:05] <slomo> what's rrdtool?
[10:06] <tseng> you know mrtg?
[10:06] <tseng> http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/rrdtool/
[10:06] <tseng> rrdtool is the coolest
[10:06] <slomo> ah... i remember reading about it :)
[10:38] <spayne> tseng: ping
[10:38] <tseng> hi
[10:41] <spayne> tseng: sorry but i'm having problems with dpatch, can you lend a hand?
[10:41] <tseng> perhaps, what kind of problem?
[10:42] <spayne> it is the patch stuff in debian/rules
[10:42] <spayne> i have: patch: patch-stamp
[10:42] <spayne> patch-stamp:
[10:42] <spayne> 	dh_testdir
[10:42] <spayne> 	patch -p1 < debian/patches/*
[10:42] <spayne> 	touch patch-stamp
[10:42] <spayne> and it says
[10:43] <dholbach> drop the patch -p1 stuff
[10:43] <dholbach> that's not needed at all
[10:43] <dholbach> that's what dpatch does for you
[10:43] <spayne> yeh - thanks
[10:46] <ajmitch> morning all
[10:46] <bddebian> Damnit,I killed my ssh connections playing with vpnc
[10:46] <ajmitch> what's new?
[10:46] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[10:47] <dholbach> hey ajmitch :)
[10:47] <spayne> tseng: it woredk! thanks man
[10:47] <ajmitch> dholbach: fixed all the desktop team bugs?
[10:48] <bddebian> The desktop team has bugs?
[10:48] <crimsun> no, assign all bugs to bddebian kthx
[10:48] <Amaranth> it's no fun having bugs autoassigned to you
[10:49] <Amaranth> i don't want to assign them to someone else without permission even though they should be the one handling them
[10:49] <ajmitch> bddebian said he'd fix all the bugs
[10:49] <crimsun> :p
[10:49] <bddebian> Be hard to do when I quit, huh? ;-)
[10:50] <crimsun> "you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave"
[10:50] <dholbach> bddebian: http://tinyurl.com/drk8z - http://tinyurl.com/96e4l :)
[10:50] <bddebian> crimsus is now known as "The Eagles" ;-)
[10:52] <bddebian> w00t, ghc-cvs actually built on i386 and amd64
[10:56] <bddebian> Well gotta head home and get to parent/teacher night.  Later gang
[10:56] <spayne> bye bddebian
[10:56] <spayne> tseng: how do i tell pbuilder to apply the patch? using the debian/rules?
[10:56] <tseng> debian/patches/00list
[10:56] <tseng> lists patches to apply
[10:57] <tseng> when you call patch in ruls
[11:03] <spayne> tseng: there is no 00list, just 01resapplet.dpatch
[11:03] <ajmitch> so create one
[11:04] <dholbach> yeah
[11:04] <dholbach> and add the filename to it
[11:05] <tseng> dpatch doesnt auto apply patches, you have to list them in 00list
[11:05] <tseng> which reminds me, mono has a lot of dead patches in it
[11:06] <tseng> dholbach: new mono-live beta!
[11:07] <tseng> ajmitch: !
[11:07] <dholbach> WOW :)
[11:07] <spayne> will the file say: debian/patches/01resapplet.dpatch
[11:07] <tseng> no
[11:07] <spayne> or just 01resapplet.dpatch
[11:07] <tseng> yhes
[11:07] <spayne> and do i need anything in rules?
[11:07] <tseng> dholbach: BLARH DUPLICATE BUGS
[11:07] <tseng> driving me crazy
[11:07] <dholbach> tseng: fun
[11:07] <tseng> you keep assigning them :(
[11:08] <spayne> tseng: do i need anything in rules?
[11:08] <tseng> spayne: yes?
[11:08] <dholbach> tseng: what should i do? just close them all?
[11:08] <tseng> i thought we went over that part an hour ago
[11:08] <tseng> dholbach: no
[11:08] <tseng> dholbach: fix them :)
[11:08] <ajmitch> tseng: I'll go for mono bug clean up this weekend
[11:08] <dholbach> tseng: MAN
[11:08] <tseng> ajmitch: me too
[11:08] <tseng> ajmitch: tag team
[11:08] <ajmitch> alright
[11:09] <tseng> ill start on bugzilla
[11:09] <tseng> spayne: you should have calls to patch and unpatch in rules
[11:10] <tseng> like..
[11:10] <tseng> clean: unpatch
[11:10] <tseng> and-some-other-rule: patch
[11:10] <tseng> depending
[11:10] <tseng> like in man dpatch
[11:11] <tseng> also include dpatch.mk
[11:18] <dholbach> good night
[11:18] <thesaltydog> when someone writes: Brezzy +1, is he meaning dapper or something else?
[11:18] <tseng> bye dholbach
[11:18] <tseng> thesaltydog: dapper
[11:18] <thesaltydog> tseng, tnx
[11:18] <tseng> it didnt have a name when we started with breezy+1
[11:18] <thesaltydog> tseng, I imagined. So there is a bug in latest ubuntu-doc fqguide.
[11:19] <tseng> not my baby
[11:19] <thesaltydog> tseng, :-) which is yours?
[11:19] <tseng> not telling
[11:20] <tseng> (mono)
[11:20] <tseng> its bug free
[11:21] <thesaltydog> tseng, ...I didn't tried yet. I have installed it to try a geographic application, but it (the application) didn't work.
[11:28] <Burgundavia> thesaltydog, can you email me about that doc bug so I can get it fixed?
[11:29] <thesaltydog> Burgundavia, sorry I have just made a malone entry...
[11:30] <thesaltydog> Burgundavia, you need I paste it here?
[11:32] <Burgundavia> thesaltydog, malone entry works
[11:32] <thesaltydog> Burgundavia, sorry but I was writing when you pinged me, so I didn't see your call..
[11:33] <thesaltydog> Burgundavia, I was too fast?:-=
[11:44] <spayne> tseng: is my unpatch correct?
[11:44] <spayne> unpatch: patch unpatch-stamp
[11:44] <spayne> unpatch-stamp:
[11:44] <spayne> 	dh_testdir
[11:44] <spayne> 	if [ -e patch-stamp ] ; then \
[11:44] <spayne> 		patch -p1 -R < debian/patches/01resapplet.dpatch ; \
[11:44] <spayne> 		rm patch-stamp ; \
[11:44] <spayne> 	fi
[11:45] <ajmitch> spayne: if you're using dpatch, then no,  it's wrong
[11:45] <spayne> what should i have then?
[11:46] <ajmitch> using cdbs?
[11:46] <spayne> what is cdbs?
[11:46] <ajmitch> you're not then..
[11:46] <spayne> look, what do i have to do in debian/rules to get it to apply the patch?
[11:46] <ajmitch> cdbs is what makes your pak=ckaging easy
[11:47] <spayne> i am very tired - can you just tell me?
[11:47] <spayne> :)
[11:47] <ajmitch> no, I won't just tell you :P
[11:47] <ajmitch> have you read the dpatch docs & examples?
[11:53] <spayne> night
[11:55] <thesaltydog> :-)
[11:56] <thesaltydog> ajmitch, not an easy job, eh?
[11:57] <ajmitch> hm?