[12:14] <gsuveg> bye
[12:32] <inc|freaky> hm
[12:32] <seth_k> adept replaces kynaptic
[12:32] <inc|freaky> ic
[12:32] <seth_k> iirc
[12:33] <inc|freaky> but kubuntu-desktop is what i want ... 
[12:33] <seth_k> it's just a metapackage
[12:33] <inc|freaky> are there any screenshots of adept?
[12:33] <seth_k> umm, maybe
[12:33] <inc|freaky> ill search at google
[12:34] <philipacamaniac> web.ekhis.org
[12:34] <Chambers`> hey guys, does anyone here use par2 files?  If so is there a gui that exists?
[12:34] <seth_k> no they're on that page
[12:34] <seth_k> @ inc|freaky 
[12:34] <philipacamaniac> it doesn't always work
[12:34] <seth_k> just scroll down
[12:34] <seth_k> Chambers`, what's a par2?
[12:35] <havoc> seth_k: and really easy hole?
[12:35] <Chambers`> parity files
[12:35] <Chambers`> they are mostly used when d/ling binaries
[12:35] <seth_k> havoc: :D
[12:35] <havoc> or really *hard*
[12:36] <seth_k> Chambers`, it looks like the only app in the repos is CLI only
[12:37] <Chambers`> dang :(
[12:38] <gdh> Chambers`: honestly, how hard is it to type 'par2repair nameof.par2' ?
[12:39] <Chambers`> gdh: it's not, but it'd be nice to have a gui that it would check and repair if needed
[12:39] <Chambers`> how hard would it be to make one is the question? :P
[12:39] <gdh> You could associate par2repair with .par2 files and have it keep the terminal window open...
[12:40] <Chambers`> either no one uses par2 files that uses linux or no one cares
[12:40] <inc|freaky> seth_k: would you recommend upgrading to the kde3.5 beta?
[12:40] <gdh> a GUI for this task is completely unnecessary :)
[12:40] <Chambers`> no way, quickpar for windows is a really nice prog
[12:40] <gdh> Chambers`: Linux users generally don't have the fixation with having absolutely everything clicky-clicky..
[12:40] <gdh> I know, I've used Quickpar.
[12:40] <Chambers`> gdh: i know :)
[12:41] <Chambers`> linux users like command line...hmm, maybe i could make a bash script for them
[12:41] <Chambers`> that would be nice
[12:41] <gdh> It's just a lot handier to 'screen' an nzbget, par2repair, unrar, mount an ISO all remotely etc.
[12:41] <Chambers`> check archive, if no repair is needed, delete the par2 files and then extract the .rar
[12:42] <Chambers`> or check archive if repair needed, repair, recheck, extract, delete all rar's and par2's
[12:42] <Chambers`> would that be possible with a bash script?
[12:42] <gdh> Everything is possible :)
[12:43] <Chambers`> couple if then statements with variables
[12:43] <seth_k> inc|freaky, it's worthwhile imo
[12:43] <inc|freaky> seth_k: ill install it now ... hopefully it will break nothing. one more question: if i install it, and in one week the stable release comes out, it becomes automatically updated? and if i update to breeze, can i then just take out the mirrors?
[12:43] <gdh> the tools should all set sensible returncodes...
[12:43] <seth_k> inc|freaky, no showstopper bugs and lots of fixes
[12:43] <seth_k> inc|freaky, I wouldn't do it until you update to breezy tho
[12:43] <inc|freaky> yea im not updating to breezy
[12:44] <inc|freaky> seth_k: are you running breezy? if yes, are there any problems while doing upgrades if it dist-upgraded once?
[12:45] <seth_k> inc|freaky, i've been running breezy since the day after hoary was released
[12:45] <inc|freaky> oh ic you always run testing
[12:45] <inc|freaky> breezy is testing right?
[12:45] <seth_k> inc|freaky, usually you'll need to do a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to get X back after the upgrade
[12:45] <inc|freaky> thats np
[12:45] <inc|freaky> do i have to reinstall the nvidia driver?
[12:46] <inc|freaky> seth_k: what kde comes with breezy? because im the .4 mirror right now
[12:46] <inc|freaky> 4.2
[12:46] <inc|freaky> from the official repository
[12:47] <seth_k> 3.4 will be in breezy i think
[12:47] <inc|freaky> seth_k: is breezy like unstable or like testing?
[12:47] <seth_k> i dunno the debian equivalent
[12:47] <inc|freaky> if 5.4 is stable then breezy would be testing
[12:48] <seth_k> ok
[12:48] <inc|freaky> ive been running testing this morning
[12:48] <inc|freaky> im usually at testing
[12:48] <inc|freaky> so well ill just upgrade to breezy and keep the 4.2 kde sources
[12:49] <inc|freaky> wish me luck :D
[12:49] <inc|freaky> bbl :)
[12:49] <inc|freaky> hopefully ^^
[12:49] <inc|freaky> where is the upgrade link again?
[12:49] <inc|freaky> ill search the wiki
[12:50] <inc|freaky> seth_k: do i still have to add the adept repository then?
[12:50] <seth_k> inc|freaky, no
[12:50] <inc|freaky> good :D
[12:51] <inc|freaky> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted <-- i have that mirror added, 2 questions:
[12:51] <inc|freaky> 1. can i add multiverse on the usual mirrors, too? 2. should i change it to breezy-backports or arent there any?
[12:51] <seth_k> 1) yes 2) there aren't any
[12:52] <seth_k> b/c breezy isn't released, you can't backport from a testing distro
[12:52] <inc|freaky> awkay ill try :)
[12:52] <seth_k> s/from/to/
[12:53] <Tortel> hello again
[12:56] <inc|freaky> seth_k: one more and last question ... it will for sure come with kde 3.4 not with 4.2?
[12:56] <inc|freaky> because the mirror changing to breeze from hoary doesnt work
[12:56] <seth_k> 4.2 ?
[12:56] <god-zero> breezy has 3.4.2
[12:57] <seth_k> ah, 3.4.2
[12:57] <seth_k> yes, breezy has 3.4.2
[12:58] <Tortel> im here cause its quieter, and more people seem to know what they are doin
[12:58] <Tortel> :P
[12:58] <inc|freaky> ftp://bolugftp.uni-bonn.de/pub/kde/stable/3.4.2/kubuntu/dists/breezy-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[12:58] <inc|freaky> ah sorry mixing up version numbers
[01:01] <inc|freaky> seth_k: ok i started the upgrade ;)
[01:02] <inc|freaky> omg its updating kernel headers ... and again i gotto install k7 one
[01:02] <seth_k> it updates EVERYTHING
[01:02] <seth_k> i hope you're on highspeed
[01:03] <seth_k> hello 600 MB download
[01:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Er, is there a repository where I could obtain the latest nVidia drivers?
[01:24] <inc|freaky> seth_k: 2Mbit/s ;)
[01:25] <seth_k> inc|freaky, don't you ;) at me, I have 8Mbps :P
[01:28] <inc|freaky> hehe, ill maybe upgrade my line to 6Mbps ;)
[01:28] <inc|freaky> i live in germany we dont have faster things
[01:28] <seth_k> i see
[01:28] <seth_k> mine is fast just b/c it's a university line
[01:29] <inc|freaky> ah ^^
[01:29] <inc|freaky> i got a 100Mbit/s server ^^
[01:32] <inc|freaky> just as hobby hehe
[01:32] <inc|freaky> running debian etch (testing)
[01:50] <blackflag> hello all :-)
[01:50] <blackflag> I was just by a friend
[01:50] <propagandhi> hello blackflag
[01:50] <blackflag> I installed him suse9.3 personal edition
[01:51] <propagandhi> personal edition?
[01:51] <propagandhi> why!
[01:51] <blackflag> UIt was insite a news magazin
[01:51] <blackflag> he want to watch dvd-movies
[01:52] <propagandhi> ok.........
[01:52] <blackflag> there are .vob files
[01:52] <blackflag> on the dvd
[01:52] <propagandhi> yes, naturally
[01:52] <blackflag> I treid kaffeine and realplayer without success
[01:53] <blackflag> Is there a way to watch *.vob movies?
[01:53] <propagandhi> blackflag: do you have all the relevant plugins for kaffeine?
[01:53] <blackflag> dont know
[01:54] <blackflag> where can i see that?
[01:55] <propagandhi> use YAST to see what media plugins are available
[01:55] <cyne> wb all
[01:55] <cyne> does anyone know how to change their language in Kubuntu? I can't seem to change my locale
[01:56] <cyne> Open Office . Org is choosing US English and I want it to choose en_AU by default which i just installed
[01:56] <propagandhi> cyne: in the kde control center, theres an option for regional and accessibility options
[01:56] <cyne> propagandhi: ok i thought you might say that... there's only one option for Australia "US English"
[01:57] <cyne> when i try and "Add Language" there's only "US English"
[01:57] <propagandhi> cyne: but in Open Office there's language setting stoo
[01:57] <propagandhi> settings too i meant
[01:57] <blackflag> Propaghandi: nice canadian band. are you from canada?
[01:58] <propagandhi> blackflag: no but i have an appreciation for that particular canadian band
[01:58] <cyne> propagandhi: ok i will look for them within OOO
[01:58] <propagandhi> cyne: tools -> options, and find language settings
[01:58] <propagandhi> cyne: there is English AU in there
[01:59] <blackflag> I boot a suse in vmware then I will see what plugins are available
[02:00] <cyne> propagandhi: thankyou!
[02:02] <cyne> propagandhi: know where i can find an Australian ispell dictionary? google isn't helping me
[02:03] <propagandhi> cyne: gimme a minute, going for a ciggarette
[02:03] <cyne> ok
[02:10] <propagandhi> cyne: http://www.onlineconnections.com.au/audictionary/
[02:14] <Tortel> anyone know an easy to install identd server?
[02:14] <Tortel> for horay...
[02:15] <inc|freaky> Tortel: oidentd
[02:15] <inc|freaky> is easy to install
[02:15] <inc|freaky> just do sudo apt-get install oidentd ;)
[02:16] <Tortel> :D
[02:16] <Tortel> gah, cant find the package
[02:17] <NamShub> Hello
[02:17] <inc|freaky> hi :)
[02:18] <NamShub> im trying to add an entry to kdm... but cant figure WHERE to add it...
[02:19] <inc|freaky> i cant help you there sry
[02:19] <inc|freaky> usually they add themselves
[02:19] <inc|freaky> what do you want to add to kdm?
[02:20] <NamShub> I want to add a simple command, (nxclient)
[02:20] <_chavo> NamShub, /usr/share/apps/kdm/sessions/ 
[02:20] <NamShub> _chavo: if this dir doesnt exist, I just create it and dump my .desktop file there?
[02:21] <_chavo> NamShub, yes that should work
[02:22] <NamShub> let me log out and try :)
[02:25] <Ninjew> Has anybody come across a problem where a sk98lin/skge nic will stall out on large http transfers regularly
[02:32] <NamShub> doesnt work :(
[02:32] <Tortel> :(
[02:32] <Tortel> shower time
[02:36] <Phily> I was told that the selection box (on the desktop) can be made semi transparent how do I set this option in kde 3.4.2
[02:37] <Phily> I was told that the selection box (on the desktop) can be made semi transparent how do I set this option in kde 3.4.2
[02:47] <blackflag> I want  to watch *.vob movies
[02:47] <blackflag> how can I do that with kaffeine?
[02:47] <alexandros> does anyone know how to use the web module with clamav
[02:48] <inc|freaky> seth_k|away: it all worked well im on breezy now :D
[02:49] <penguinboy> hey guys!
[02:49] <penguinboy> EVENING, SPROINGIE!!!
[02:54] <philipacamaniac> does anyone have a hoary-->breezy dist-upgrade success story?
[02:54] <penguinboy> when is the stable breezy being released?
[02:55] <philipacamaniac> october 14
[02:55] <penguinboy> great@
[02:55] <philipacamaniac> release candidate on oct 6
[02:55] <Tortel> breezy isnt stable yet?
[02:55] <penguinboy> any big changes?
[02:55] <Tortel> :o
[02:55] <philipacamaniac> no, features are frozen currently
[02:56] <philipacamaniac> artwork closes today
[02:56] <philipacamaniac> it's bugfixing and translations till release time
[02:56] <penguinboy> i am looking forward to the new openoffice
[02:57] <penguinboy> i hear you can import Microsoft PowerPoint templates!
[02:57] <philipacamaniac> i've been using it in hoary - never tried that though!
[03:00] <penguinboy> anyone ever used katapult?
[03:01] <jjesse> not really
[03:01] <lars> no, what is it?
[03:01] <penguinboy> an advanced application and item launcher
[03:02] <lars> well, sounds nice
[03:03] <penguinboy> it will be inclided in the badger
[03:04] <lars> I do have a problem -- the sound just totally disappeard from my Kubuntu
[03:04] <lars> is this a place where help can be sought?
[03:04] <penguinboy> yes
[03:04] <penguinboy> but I am no good with sound
[03:05] <penguinboy> transgress is smart if he is online
[03:05] <penguinboy> nope...he has been idle for 5 hours
[03:06] <delltony> question i keep getting keditrc not writeable when i launch kedit and also when i load kubuntu i get the same error of another rc error in terms of not writable anyone else getting this?
[03:07] <philipacamaniac> check the permissions on those files
[03:07] <lars> find! I didn't knew what I did, but I tried this: First to install Real player it did sort install OK, but did not play mp3 for lack of codec, then I ...
[03:07] <delltony> yeah thats a good point didn't thiink about that actually
[03:07] <philipacamaniac> they should be in $HOME/.kde
[03:08] <delltony> ill do a locate hey one other thign you might know
[03:08] <lars> ... found the package libxine1 and apt-get installed ...
[03:08] <delltony> how do you get the folder tree to show on the left in konquerer and then the files load on the right
[03:08] <delltony> i know there is a setting in window behavior but i can't remember where
[03:09] <philipacamaniac> in konqui, Window --> Show Navigation Panel
[03:09] <philipacamaniac> or hit F9
[03:09] <delltony> let me try that
[03:09] <delltony> you the man :)
[03:09] <delltony> thanks
[03:09] <philipacamaniac> then choose the red folder icon
[03:09] <philipacamaniac> no prob
[03:09] <philipacamaniac> i gtg
[03:09] <philipacamaniac> be back later
[03:09] <lars> thanks, about the F9 tips!
[03:14] <delltony> that was the problem keditrc was chowned by root
[03:17] <douglas> I'm running breezy and kde 3.5 beta 1 on kubuntu and I was wondering, is the transparency and drop shadows getting more stable in this xorg version or will it still crash x?
[03:23] <Chambers`> hey guys, what program installed .deb files?  I converted a rpm with alient and now want to install the deb
[03:24] <douglas> dpkg -i something.deb
[03:24] <douglas> as root
[03:24] <douglas> so...
[03:24] <inc|freaky> i have a strange problem: im using pppoe (configuring it using pppoeconf). after using pppoeconf i select trigger connection now. connection established everything working, im connected to my provider. after EVERY reboot it doesnt work anymore. i have to manualy do pppoeconf again to make it work. the error in syslog: network down. tried ifup eth0 doesnt work
[03:24] <douglas> sudo dpkg -i something.deb
[03:24] <Chambers`> thank you
[03:24] <douglas> No problem
[03:25] <douglas> I'm running breezy and kde 3.5 beta 1 on kubuntu and I was wondering, is the transparency and drop shadows getting more stable in this xorg version or will it still crash x?
[03:27] <_chavo> douglas, for me it's stable
[03:27] <douglas> cool, I'll play around with it.
[03:28] <The_Vox> _chavo: what vidcard are you using?
[03:28] <_chavo> geforce 6600GT
[03:28] <Tortel> :O
[03:28] <Tortel> damnyou
[03:28] <Tortel> :(
[03:28] <douglas> I'm using a 5700
[03:28] <The_Vox> I'm jealous too :P
[03:28] <douglas> so yes, damn you.
[03:28] <Tortel> i have a 5200
[03:28] <The_Vox> I have a 5200 too
[03:28] <_chavo> They've come way down
[03:28] <douglas> yea
[03:29] <Tortel> $150 at newegg
[03:29] <_chavo> I replaced a ti4200
[03:29] <_chavo> and that's about what I paid for my 4200 a few years ago
[03:33] <NSK> I use a 5200, a 6200 and a matrox-g550
[04:20] <mzelem> Hello everyone
[04:21] <mzelem> Anyone know why Konqueror won't remember any of my new file associations if I change them?
[04:45] <sophie_> Hello all I,ve just fix a minor problem with my kde setup took me ages
[05:31] <nicholaspaul> it  seems kinda quiet here. Can someone help me install a harddrive? I think i have trouble with fstab and mount points. 
[05:33] <NSK> hi
[05:33] <NSK> how many partitions are in the HD?
[05:33] <NSK> if the HD is ATA/IDE its name starts with hd
[05:34] <NSK> if the HD is SCSI or SATA its name starts with sd
[05:34] <inc|freaky> the new amarok is kewl ;D
[05:34] <NSK> the first HD in an ATA/SCSI/SATA chain is hda/sda
[05:34] <nicholaspaul> i think mine is /dev/hdd
[05:37] <jsubl2> inc|freaky: yeah amarok is my fav
[05:37] <inc|freaky> mine too :)
[05:38] <nicholaspaul> 1 sec, i think i have an answer NSK
[05:39] <regeya_> gentlemen:  DESTROY.
[05:39] <regeya_> oops.
[05:40] <cyne> does anyone know how to burn in k3b in Kubuntu?
[05:40] <cyne> there is the error mentioned here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//KubuntuHoaryReleaseKnownProblems
[05:40] <cyne> k3b misses cdrao (it was setuid root, should be possible to make it not setuid)
[05:41] <cyne> so how do i fix that?
[05:42] <jsubl2> cyne: just try it.. it will probably work without it
[05:42] <nicholaspaul> hey NSK... nope, this drive still aint workin.
[05:43] <jsubl2> nicholaspaul: dmesg|grep hd and see if you see your drive in the output
[05:44] <nicholaspaul> i get a usage error
[05:44] <jsubl2> does that mean you see it
[05:44] <cyne> jsubl2: hmmm ok
[05:44] <cyne> why?
[05:45] <jsubl2> did it work???
[05:45] <cyne> K3b uses cdrdao to actually write CDs.
[05:45] <cyne> Solution: Install the cdrdao package.
[05:45] <cyne> i don't have a cd... i was going to burn a dvd 
[05:45] <jsubl2> good luck
[05:46] <regeya> cyne: install cdrdao.  possibly you might need to sudo u+s `which cdrdao`
[05:46] <nicholaspaul> jsubl2 Yea i see it 
[05:46] <regeya> I just burned a couple of video dvds.
[05:46] <regeya> using k3b.
[05:46] <jsubl2> nicholaspaul: sudo  cfdisk /dev/hdd
[05:46] <inc|freaky> what is hpiod?
[05:47] <inc|freaky> its listening on lo but i dont need it?
[05:47] <nicholaspaul> jsubl2 thats workin :)
[05:47] <jsubl2> inc|freaky: yeah you do leave it
[05:47] <nicholaspaul> k. now what ?? jsubl2
[05:47] <inc|freaky> jsubl2: why should i leave it?
[05:47] <jsubl2> nicholaspaul: that should allow you to see the partitions that are on the disk if they are any or you can partition the disk
[05:48] <inc|freaky> jsubl2: from outside only my ssh is reachable thats what i want ^^
[05:48] <nicholaspaul> i just made one big partition. do i fdisk now?
[05:48] <jsubl2> fdisk and cfdisk are about the same thing
[05:48] <jsubl2> nicholaspaul: no now you make a file system on it.
[05:49] <nicholaspaul> mkfs? jsubl2
[05:49] <inc|freaky> does any1 know, i want to install windows on another partition ... but windows of course, overwrites the mbr ... how do i get back to my ubuntu?
[05:50] <inc|freaky> i luv ubuntu its all so high-tech :D
[05:50] <inc|freaky> my irc-client and screenshot is at http://pics.freakyy.de
[05:50] <inc|freaky> the screenshots album ;)
[05:50] <jsubl2> nicholaspaul: you should probably read the man page... man  mkfs.ext3.. the command will probably be mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdd1 or what ever partiition number you are setting up
[05:52] <nicholaspaul> i think its hdd3. how would i know?
[05:52] <jsubl2> cfdisk
[05:52] <jsubl2> cfdisk shows the number on the left
[05:53] <nicholaspaul> it just says its /dev/hdd
[05:54] <jsubl2> perhaps someone with less booze in them should help nicholaspaul 
[05:54] <nicholaspaul> jsubl2 LOL
[05:55] <cyne> jsubl2: hmm well it's writing a dvd without me installing cdrao
[05:55] <jsubl2> how about that.
[05:55] <nicholaspaul> i gotta run anyhoo.. thx for helping jsubl2
[06:03] <cooter> why doesn't konqueror have the side menu anymore  where it shows root dir and home dir and settings and amarok and all that good stuff on the side?
[06:32] <cooter> ?
[06:33] <inc|freaky> !
[06:33] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, inc|freaky
[06:33] <inc|freaky> oops
[06:34] <inc|freaky> cooter: i have no idea
[06:37] <cooter> does anyone know of a better bittorrent client the azurues    java is sooo sloow
[06:40] <_chavo> cooter, hit F9 to get konq sidebar back
[06:41] <cooterlove> _chavo thank you!!!        is there nothing in the menu to do that?
[06:42] <_chavo> cooterlove, Window -> Show Navigation Panel
[06:43] <dell500_> how do i put my other monitor onto my xorg config to do dual monitors?
[06:43] <cooterlove> wierd there is no windows option...
[06:44] <dell500_> i really want my other name to time out....
[06:46] <thoreauputic> dell500:  /msg nickserv ghost <password>
[06:46] <thoreauputic> on the other nick - if that's what you meant
[06:47] <thoreauputic> eg /msg nickserv ghost thoreauputic <password>
[06:49] <dell500> thanks
[06:50] <dell500> anyone here know how to get dual crts to work?
[07:03] <Stricklin> I've given up trying to dual boot between Kubuntu and Windows XP Professional x64 on my AMD Athlon 64 3200+ desktop, and I'm considering going 100% Kubuntu, but I'm still stymied at getting my scanner and webcam working again. Suggestions?
[07:05] <seth_k|lappy> what do you want to use your webcam for?
[07:05] <othernoob> well, the obvious, less camwhore, more business..or asking in a #ubuntu because it's pretty dead in here
[07:05] <seth_k|lappy> IM?
[07:05] <othernoob> err..
[07:05] <othernoob> you had to say something didn't you..
[07:06] <Stricklin> seth_k|lappy, I never have, because I've never gotten it to work.
[07:06] <Stricklin> However, I just bought it to try it.
[07:06] <seth_k|lappy> haha
[07:06] <seth_k|lappy> well
[07:07] <seth_k|lappy> I'd say that it's not a barrier to your going 100% Kubuntu then
[07:07] <Stricklin> I'm more concerned about the scanner.
[07:07] <seth_k|lappy> however Kopete should have webcam support in the next version
[07:07] <seth_k|lappy> okay, scanner
[07:07] <seth_k|lappy> what model?
[07:07] <Stricklin> wait one...
[07:07] <Stricklin> HP ScanJet 2400
[07:10] <Stricklin> Well, I suppose I'll bite the bullet and go Kubuntu tomorrow after I get home from work
[07:11] <seth_k|lappy> yep, 2400 is unsupported by sane
[07:11] <seth_k|lappy> it's scheduled to be added to genesys though
[07:11] <Stricklin> It seems a shame to waste money on an OEM OS and then not use it.
[07:12] <Stricklin> But, I'm sure Gates won't lose any sleep over just one customer. Besides, he already got his money for it.
[07:12] <Stricklin> Okay, thanks for letting me vent. Goodnight.
[07:31] <badbear> you need to install kdelibs first.
[07:31] <badbear> help : 
[07:31] <badbear> help?
[07:32] <badbear> i have problems with kdelibs and qt
[07:33] <nalioth> badbear: tell us
[07:33] <badbear> now, see
[07:33] <badbear> i'm trying to compile some themes, and umbrello
[07:33] <badbear> first, it throws this error
[07:33] <badbear> Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (library qt-mt)
[07:34] <badbear> then i download qt, and compile it, and install it
[07:34] <badbear> and now it's showing that error 
[07:34] <badbear> configure: error:
[07:34] <badbear> you need to install kdelibs first.
[07:34] <badbear> but i have install and remove, and install again
[07:34] <badbear> kdelibs, kdebase, kde-core, kdelibs-dev
[07:34] <badbear> and nothing solves the problem
[07:37] <Stricklin> seth_k|lappy: okay... I'm 100% Kubuntu now...
[07:38] <badbear> i have also install some qt libraries too
[07:38] <seth_k|lappy> haha, good luck Stricklin :)
[07:38] <badbear> but as i said, problem it's not resolved
[07:38] <Stricklin> Is Breezy close to being Prime Time?
[07:39] <nalioth> badbear: kde-devel
[07:39] <nalioth> kdebase-dev
[07:39] <badbear> yes, i've install that tooo
[07:39] <badbear> that too
[07:39] <nalioth> badbear: open kynaptic and search for -dev  . install all the kde ones (for the kde stuff you've got installed)
[07:40] <badbear> perfect
[07:41] <badbear> okey it's downloading right now
[07:41] <badbear> look i'm a linux newbie, very newbie
[07:42] <badbear> but what should i do to move to breezy release, when it comes out
[07:42] <badbear> just change the repositories?
[07:42] <badbear> or there is something else i gotta do?
[07:47] <Hobbsee> badbear: ubuntuguide.org
[07:47] <Hobbsee> !ubuntuguide
[07:47] <ubotu> methinks ubuntuguide is out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide will soon be the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[07:47] <Hobbsee> !faq
[07:47] <ubotu> I guess faq is The Ubuntu FAQ Guide: select System -> Help (in Breezy), or http://ubuntu-doc.ath.cx/gnome/faqi386/C/
[07:48] <Hobbsee> you want ubuntuguide.org - the info is at the bottom of that page
[07:49] <badbear> tnks :)
[07:49] <Stricklin> I just installed Hoary, should I go to Breezy or just stay where I'm at, you think?
[07:50] <stupendo4> can someone point me in the right direction? I'm trying to get divx movies to work on Kubuntu Breezy Preview
[07:51] <Hobbsee> stricklin: how new to kubuntu are you?
[07:51] <Stricklin> Very... very new
[07:51] <Stricklin> I tried it for all of a week several months ago
[07:51] <Hobbsee> stricklin: lol...probably stay with hoary till the release
[07:52] <Hobbsee> if it's a good update day, you'd be fine...if it's a bad update day, all hell breaks loose
[07:52] <Stricklin> sigh... I was hoping you'd say it was much more user-friendly, and to go for it
[07:52] <Hobbsee> got your /home on a separate partition?
[07:53] <Stricklin> But... you people would know better than I would
[07:53] <Hobbsee> haha...i'm no expert...
[07:53] <Stricklin> Ummm... no?
[07:53] <Hobbsee> i've only been using it for a couple of months :P
[07:53] <Stricklin> I just ran the CD
[07:53] <Stricklin> it formatted everything
[07:54] <Hobbsee> which cd did you just run?
[07:54] <Hobbsee> breezy or hoary cd?
[07:54] <Stricklin> Hoary 5.04 for AMD64
[07:54] <Stricklin> I've got a 250GB drive
[07:55] <Stricklin> (If that matters for anything)
[07:55] <Hobbsee> so you could dual boot with it...if you were to download the kubuntu release candidate
[07:55] <Stricklin> between the two versions you mean?
[07:56] <Hobbsee> yeah
[07:56] <Hobbsee> or just go straight to breezy...
[07:56] <Hobbsee> you're on dsl?
[07:57] <Stricklin> Yes
[07:57] <Hobbsee> good lol
[07:57] <Hobbsee> i'd hate to upgrade over a dialup connectoin
[07:57] <Stricklin> DSL Extreme
[07:57] <Hobbsee> hwo many partitions did you create in the install?
[07:57] <Hobbsee> or did it auto partition?
[07:57] <Stricklin> I'm considering going to cable
[07:57] <Stricklin> it auto patitioned
[07:57] <Hobbsee> right...
[07:57] <Stricklin> something about 'swap' and 'ext'
[07:58] <Hobbsee> yeah
[07:58] <Hobbsee> you've got your / partition and your swap partition
[07:58] <Hobbsee> and ext3 is the file system on your / partition
[07:58] <Stricklin> Well, I'll just wait...
[07:58] <Hobbsee> i suppose that if you wanted to, you could
[07:59] <Hobbsee> if you have major problems, then just boot from the install cd again
[07:59] <Hobbsee> and just reinstall your system
[07:59] <Stricklin> Can I approximate Mac OS with KDE?
[08:00] <Hobbsee> !kde.org
[08:00] <Stricklin> I'm just wondering...
[08:00] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Hobbsee
[08:00] <Hobbsee> right...
[08:00] <Hobbsee> yeah, you can
[08:00] <Hobbsee> !kde-look
[08:00] <ubotu> Hobbsee: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[08:00] <Hobbsee> www.kde-look.org is a place for heaps of themes
[08:00] <Hobbsee> and yes, some are like Mac OS
[08:01] <Hobbsee> stricklin: when you do eventually have to reinstall (you will screw up your system at one point or another), create a separate home partition
[08:02] <Stricklin> It'll prompt me for that?
[08:02] <Hobbsee> instead of doing an auto partition, you need to do it manually
[08:03] <Hobbsee> you're using all 250 gb for kubuntu?
[08:03] <Stricklin> Ah the moment, yeah
[08:03] <Hobbsee> *nods*
[08:03] <Stricklin> I might give Windows Xp x64 another chance... but I doubt it
[08:04] <Hobbsee> http://www.control-escape.com/linux/lx-partition.html you might want to check out that site...
[08:04] <Hobbsee> it's useful
[08:04] <Hobbsee> lol...if you do, you could have problems with it decidign to take the whole drive
[08:04] <Stricklin> bookmarked
[08:04] <Hobbsee> :p it tells you about partitioning, and should give you an idea how to do it next time
[08:05] <Hobbsee> !partition
[08:05] <ubotu> Hobbsee: Are you on ritalin?
[08:05] <Hobbsee> !partitioning
[08:05] <ubotu> Hobbsee: Do they come in packets of five?
[08:05] <Hobbsee> someone needs to teach that bot some more stuff...clearly
[08:05] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5
[08:05] <ubotu> somebody said kde3.5 was at http://kubuntu.org/kde-35beta1.php for opinions see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=67800
[08:05] <Hobbsee> ah...there we go...that's something you might want to look at
[08:05] <Hobbsee> it's beta, but it seems pretty stable
[08:06] <Stricklin> Ah, crap!
[08:06] <Stricklin> My screen has gone all yellow again!
[08:06] <seth_k|lappy> yellow?
[08:06] <Hobbsee> eek!
[08:06] <Hobbsee> yellow?
[08:06] <seth_k|lappy> bad monitor cable.
[08:06] <Stricklin> I forgot how we fixed this last time
[08:06] <seth_k|lappy> jiggle the cable?
[08:07] <Stricklin> It's something simple... I just have to remember
[08:07] <Stricklin> oh yeah... nvidea drivers
[08:07] <Hobbsee> defenestrate the monitor :P
[08:08] <Hobbsee> i'm sure i didnt say that...
[08:08] <Stricklin> Anyway, I can't see anything at the moment... and I need to go to bed anyway, tomorrow being a work day and all. Thanks for all the good advice.
[08:12] <dell500> i'm trying to get dual monitors to work (both crt) i was wondering if anyone knows how ot fix the giant resolution of the two monitors
[08:17] <badbear> nalioth, didn't work
[08:17] <badbear> i install every -dev, for kde
[08:17] <badbear> but it's throwing the same error
[08:18] <badbear> what is the specific library for qt?
[08:19] <badbear> ?
[08:19] <nalioth> badbear: look for libqt (something) -dev
[08:20] <badbear> another question, why if i want to install libqt3-dev, i tries to remove a lot of -dev kde packages?
[08:21] <badbear> nalioth if i choose it, it tries to remoce a some kde-dev packages
[08:22] <nalioth> badbear: try it. you can always put the kde dev stuff back 
[08:22] <badbear> between them , kde-core, kdelibs, kde-devel, libqt3-mt-dev
[08:22] <badbear> ???
[08:22] <badbear> what do u think?
[08:23] <nalioth> what are you trying to compile?
[08:23] <badbear> umbrello
[08:23] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > hi guys..
[08:23] <badbear> but algo some themes
[08:24] <badbear> but kynaptic marks those packages to remove them
[08:24] <badbear> when i try to install de qt-dev
[08:24] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > so when 2 weeks ago i asked if it was a good decision to update the system to version following hoary someone told me to wait until october.. what do you tell me now?
[08:25] <nalioth> Tallia1[UbuntU] : you've waited this long, why not 13 more days?
[08:25] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > why 13?
[08:27] <nalioth> official release is oct 13
[08:27] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > ahh
[08:27] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > ok
[08:27] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > i'll set an alarm
[08:27] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > tnx nalioth 
[08:28] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > which will be major upgrades? 
[08:28] <nalioth> Tallia1[UbuntU] : everything
[08:28] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > ah
[08:28] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > that's nice
[08:28] <nalioth> !breezy
[08:28] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[08:28] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > one of the works thing that i found when i changed to linux
[08:28] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > had been the cups system..
[08:29] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > and the managing of pdf files.....
[08:29] <Tallia1[UbuntU] > like printing on multiple pages and so on
[08:30] <badbear> nalioth, now it throws the error 
[08:30] <badbear> Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (library qt-mt)
[08:30] <badbear> i'm giving up
[08:30] <badbear> :(
[08:32] <nalioth> badbear: umbrello is not available in the repos?
[08:32] <badbear> yes, but it has a problem
[08:32] <badbear> generating java code
[08:33] <badbear> so i was trying to compile it
[08:36] <cyne> what's a good way to test the existance of one file within another ? and if it's present then do a regex replace?
[08:52] <badbear> tnks everyone
[09:05] <cyne> how do i get Kopete to log conversations?
[10:51] <god-zero> It's so peacefull and quite in here.....
[10:52] <Phazeman> it's an illusion 
[10:52] <Phazeman> :)
[11:03] <inc|freaky> good morning :D
[11:04] <god-zero> hi
[11:05] <inc|freaky> (:
[11:12] <_kane> ok ... so is the problem with "administrator mode" a problem of KDE or of Kubuntu ?
[11:17] <god-zero> _kane: I seens it's a kde prob..
[11:17] <god-zero> It seems
[11:17] <insanekane> god-zero: do you know what the problem exactly is ? (i.e., how is it caused ?) ?
[11:17] <god-zero> try "kdesu kcontrol" for admin mode
[11:18] <insanekane> that doesn't work at all
[11:18] <god-zero> no, I tried to figure it out.. it seems to boil down to the escelation just dieing
[11:18] <insanekane> escelation ?
[11:19] <inc|freaky> hi all im trying to run kate it says: kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed. --> KDE: 3.4.2 --> Kate: 2.4.1
[11:19] <god-zero> insanekane: "kdesu kcontrol" doesn't work?
[11:20] <insanekane> god-zero: nope ... but sudo kcontrol does !?!
[11:20] <god-zero> that's bass akwards
[11:20] <god-zero> hrm
[11:20] <insanekane> inc|freaky: your probably trying to do "sudo kate" arent you ?
[11:21] <inc|freaky> no im not
[11:21] <insanekane> inc|freaky: hmm ... kate works fine for me (of course, sudo kate doesnt which is what i expect)
[11:21] <god-zero> inc|freaky: breezy?
[11:21] <inc|freaky> k, it doesnt work for me im on breezy :(
[11:21] <insanekane> im on breezy too
[11:22] <insanekane> (i'm just hoping that this is truly a "preview" than the final one ;)
[11:23] <inc|freaky> i hope this is no preview cuz kate isnt working :(
[11:23] <god-zero> inc|freaky: update / upgrade recently? try to restart x (clrt-alt-backspace)
[11:23] <inc|freaky> k, wait ill try
[11:26] <god-zero> Any body listen to twatech (t.w.a.t)? They're dissin noobs.. but damn if they don't sound like total noob wanabees
[11:26] <god-zero> the guys from teh show
[11:27] <inc|freaky> kewl it works now :D
[11:27] <inc|freaky> thx :D
[11:28] <god-zero> hrm.. it was mostly a guess based on all the new x related updates
[11:28] <god-zero> but you're welcome anyways
[11:28] <god-zero> ;)
[11:30] <inc|freaky> at least it works now :D
[11:30] <inc|freaky> can any1 test dcc-sending with me?
[11:31] <god-zero> via irc? I've never done that.. would be a learning experience I guess
[11:31] <insanekane> hmm ... i thought kynaptic was removed in breezy :/
[11:33] <inc|freaky> it isnt removed
[11:33] <inc|freaky> you can still use it
[11:33] <insanekane> inc|freaky: i know :/
[11:33] <inc|freaky> if you dont want it just remove it and use adept :)
[11:33] <god-zero> They're pushing adept.. it's more powerfull, but ugly
[11:34] <inc|freaky> i dont hink its ugly i like it
[11:34] <insanekane> i looked around for adept, cant find it though
[11:34] <god-zero> I'm sure in the next x months it'll improve
[11:34] <nalioth> god-zero: so skin it
[11:35] <inc|freaky> its called system update wizard in the menus
[11:35] <inc|freaky> system menu
[11:35] <inc|freaky> and adept manager
[11:36] <inc|freaky> one is for upgrading the other one is for managing
[11:36] <insanekane> i can't see it anywhere
[11:36] <insanekane> can't find adept via Konsole either
[11:38] <god-zero> nalioth: how do you skin it? I don't see any option. I like the drop down detail views
[11:38] <insanekane> how do you run it ?
[11:39] <god-zero> insanekane: (breezy) K menu, system, adept manager
[11:39] <nalioth> god-zero: it is open source. it can be made pretty
[11:40] <god-zero> Ok, you don't want me making no art... bad idea
[11:40] <nikkia> nalioth: as someone skinning Qt code atm, i'll point out that Qt skinning isn't fun :)
[11:40] <nalioth> god-zero: why not? your horrid art may be beautiful to others
[11:41] <nikkia> nalioth: see http://narch.1.vg/qt.png <- those dials are Qt :)
[11:42] <nikkia> erm
[11:42] <nalioth> not found, ms QT
[11:42] <nikkia> nalioth: see http://narch.1.vg/~nikki/qt.png <- those dials are Qt :)
[11:42] <god-zero> I can do music though... gotta get back into that. Maybe mix up some non-obnoxious system sound themes
[11:43] <nalioth> nikkia: yes all involved are QT
[11:43] <nalioth> nikkia: looks good
[11:44] <god-zero> no jab at (k)ubuntu.. but most sound themes are too simple BEEPy or too "listen to my new ring tone that lasts 5 minutes"
[11:44] <nikkia> god-zero: i don't think many people use sound themes anyway, they get annoying real fast
[11:44] <god-zero> yep
[11:45] <cyne> what do i use to activate my digital camera and get photos from it?
[11:45] <nikkia> cyne: gphoto[2]  if it supports your camera (it probably does)
[11:46] <buz> !digikam
[11:46] <ubotu> buz: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[11:46] <nalioth> nikkia: your latest project?
[11:46] <buz> !kdevelop
[11:46] <ubotu> buz: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[11:46] <cyne> nikkia: is there a KDE one i can use?
[11:46] <buz> digikam
[11:46] <cyne> thanks
[11:46] <nikkia> cyne: gphoto isn't a gnome app, its just a method, gimp uses it to import photos directly into gimp, for example
[11:46] <buz> is there a way to get svn support into kubuntu's kdevelop?
[11:46] <god-zero> A lady who wanted me you jazz up her web site wanted me to make a loud gavel banging sound on this one page.. I refused.. tied to explain how well that would go over on the user's end in an office... she didn't get it
[11:46] <cyne> nikkia:  is it better than digiKam?
[11:47] <nikkia> cyne: *shrug* i personally, prefer to just 'import' from gimp, using a seperate app to extract the image, then having to run gimp anyway to crop/resize/touch-up would just irritate me
[11:47] <buz> personally i just stick my CF card into the reader, copy the images from it and never look at them again
[11:47] <cyne> nikkia: sure if you can wait for gimp to load with every image
[11:48] <nikkia> cyne, why would you do that?
[11:48] <nikkia> cyne: you run gimp once, then ask it to acquire each image, its one step
[11:48] <cyne> nikkia: because i have a habit of closing it
[11:48] <cyne> :P
[11:48] <nikkia> cyne: gimp-gphoto gives you a dialog box with a lot of images, you choose the ones to import, and gimp imports them all
[11:49] <nalioth> nikkia: you're teasin me, friend
[11:50] <cyne> it appears i already have gphot lib installed, now to run the gimp
[11:50] <cyne> install the gimp rather
[11:51] <cyne> thanks for your help nikkia 
[11:53] <nalioth> nikkia: are those QT dials your latest work?
[11:53] <god-zero> nikkia: Have you worked with qt4? If so are the SVGs all they're cracked up to be? I'd relly like everything to be scaleable.
[11:54] <cyne> i refuse to use firefox because konqueror is so much more well integrated with kde
[11:54] <cyne> and kubuntu
[11:55] <nalioth> god-zero: svg is great!
[11:56] <nikkia> nalioth: its for a UI for a project i'm working on (in my spare time)
[11:56] <nalioth> nikkia: looks fine to me (may make it my desktop background
[11:57] <nikkia> god-zero: my main reservation about SVG is that you either go with a fairly flat-ish basic interface element, or you have a several dozen k svg object that is going to be slower to render, it just entirely depends on what your interface is trying to achieve tho
[11:57] <god-zero> I'm really interested in qt4/kde4 with all the SVG stuff. I hope we can off load the work to the GPU.
[11:58] <nikkia> for simple interfaces (say, a replacement for a Qt theme for buttons, etc) it will work ok, but for 'photo-realistic' interfaces it won't cut it
[11:59] <nikkia> god-zero: otoh, my C++ source file for those dials is 5MB because of the embedded PNG images :)
[11:59] <god-zero> not on my celeron anyways. I've tried some pretty intense SVGs for my desktop.... Some of them took up to 10ish seconds to render
[12:00] <cyne> where do i access gphoto within gimp?
[12:00] <cyne> i can't see it in File -> aquire
[12:00] <nikkia> cyne: if its installed probably, it should be an option in there
[12:00] <god-zero> some of the lipstik type widgets will translate well tho
[12:01] <cyne> nikkia: does the cam have to be on when i start the gimp?
[12:01] <nikkia> cyne, maybe, never really noticed
[12:02] <nalioth> god-zero: have you seen the gpu linux distro?
[12:02] <god-zero> no
[12:02] <god-zero> never heard of it
[12:03] <nalioth> god-zero: the current GPUs in use far outstrip actual processors
[12:03] <nikkia> cyne: you probably need the SANE stuff installed too
[12:03] <nalioth> god-zero: have a look for it
[12:03] <nikkia> cyne: as i believe the interface to gphoto is done via SANE->gphoto
[12:03] <cyne> ok
[12:03] <god-zero> nalioth: asking uncle google..
[12:03] <cyne> as in xsane?
[12:04] <insanekane> god-zero: [15:09]  <god-zero> insanekane: (breezy) K menu, system, adept manager <- doesn't show
[12:05] <god-zero> insanekane: sudo apt-get install adept
[12:06] <nikkia> cyne: no, libsane most likely
[12:06] <insanekane> god-zero: duh
[12:07] <nikkia> cyne, it might be handled by gtkam too, try that, or gimp-quiteinsane
[12:07] <god-zero> nalioth: Niether google nor distrowatch are helping me
[12:08] <cyne> sane isn't working for me so i will try those two
[12:08] <nikkia> cyne, as a side note, you probably also want gimp-dcraw which provides support for handling the 'raw' image types in most cameras
[12:08] <cyne> ta
[12:09] <nalioth> god-zero: lemme see if i can find a link
[12:09] <cyne> nikkia: how about 'kamera' ?
[12:10] <nikkia> cyne, thats for konqueror, it'd work, but it wouldn't give you gimp integration per se
[12:10] <cyne> oh dude, that's all i wanted :P
[12:10] <insanekane> yuck !!! adept uses perl !!!
[12:10] <cyne> now you tell me i can just open it in konqueror
[12:10] <cyne> bam
[12:10] <cyne> :P
[12:10] <nikkia> cyne, i just personally feel that the number of times you 'import' a picture from a camera, but then never edit it in any way is so tiny that getting gimp to read from the camera is the right approach :)
[12:11] <Hagarke> hi all, if a package for (k)ubuntu is not compiled the way i like it to be compiled, should i recompile, repackage and keep the package, or is there a possibility to fork packages ?  I had the problem with Amarok, which comes with settings opposite to what I like (mysql, sqllite).  Recompiling this changes the dependencies for that package drastically
[12:11] <nikkia> cyne, and don't call me dude, please :P
[12:11] <god-zero> insanekane: lol
[12:11] <gdh> but... dude looks like a lady? :)
[12:11] <cyne> my mistake, are ye a lass per chance?
[12:11] <nikkia> cyne, yes
[12:12] <cyne> nps :)
[12:12] <cyne> nikkia: gimp-gphoto isn't available in the default kynaptic it appears
[12:13] <insanekane> Hagarke: so amarok uses mysql/sqlite, but you don't like it that way ?
[12:13] <nikkia> cyne, i don't think that package exists, i think gimp just uses sane, if present, and if sane detects gphoto exists....
[12:14] <cyne> ah... ok then :) thanks again
[12:15] <nikkia> cyne, while i don't use kubuntu on my desktop anymore, i'm fairly sure that last time i used gimp to import from the digicam, it was with kubuntu, so i'm fairly sure that gimp on kubuntu CAN acquire from cameras
[12:16] <cyne> nikkia: hmm well there's gtkam available in hoary hedgehog
[12:16] <god-zero> nikkia: what do you use now?
[12:16] <insanekane> god !! why perl ?!?!?
[12:17] <nikkia> god-zero: on my desktop? LFS
[12:17] <insanekane> im sorry mornfall :)
[12:18] <Hagarke> insanekane, as far as I see in the source, it uses mysql and sqllite is disabled, i would like it the other way round
[12:19] <nalioth> nikkia: why am i not surprised
[12:19] <insanekane> Hagarke: right ... well, you *could* get the deb source, make your changes and offer it in some repository somewhere
[12:20] <nikkia> nalioth: *shrug* i dunno, why ARE you not surprised ? :)
[12:20] <incubii> hey peoples
[12:20] <incubii> why is kcalc not included in kubuntu :?
[12:20] <god-zero> I wanted to install gentoo once... so I printed out the install instructions... ran out of paper. Now I'm afraid of anthing that sounds like that. LFS sounds like that.
[12:21] <Hagarke> insanekane: well, that was my question ... what do i do with the package when i recreate it.  Keep it for myself, or post it somewhere, under a name like amarok-sqllite-1.3......
[12:21] <nalioth> god-zero: not so. LFS is what YOU make of it (if you choose to use apt-get/dpkg you get sanity)
[12:21] <nikkia> god-zero: there's an easier way, and it is what i did :)
[12:21] <nikkia> god-zero: i used vmware to build up my base system, kernel, base libs, toolchains, X, etc
[12:21] <nikkia> then copied that from the vmware disk to the real disk
[12:22] <nikkia> god-zero: that way, i could have a web browser open, and use the web to check on any build issues, while building enough of the system to be sure i could work with the resulting OS
[12:25] <god-zero> nikkia: So I take it that you're not a noob? I only had 6 months of linux under my belt at that time, so it was intimidating (unix of and on since the 80s tho)
[12:25] <Hagarke> insanekane: what should i do with the package afterwards ?
[12:25] <nikkia> god-zero: been using linux since 1992, unix since 1988ish
[12:25] <insanekane> Hagarke: well, if you really want to integrate your changes ... you should probably not repackage, but offer a method to configure it via apt ... 
[12:25] <insanekane> Hagarke: err ... not apt ... rather, dpkg
[12:26] <insanekane> Hagarke: that way, there is only 1 package, with a configuration
[12:27] <Hagarke> I have not enough miles in debian to know dpkg that well.  I've been using slackware for 7 years ...
[12:27] <insanekane> Hagarke: hehe ... me neither :) ... but i think, the maintainers will be happy
[12:28] <god-zero> I'm used to RPM based distros. What's the relationship between apt and dpkg?
[12:29] <cyne> god-zero: alien -d -i package-name will convert package-name to .deb and install it
[12:29] <cyne> from rpm
[12:29] <cyne> and call dpkg to install it
[12:30] <gdh> god-zero: dpkg is lke the rpm binary itself, apt can be thought of more like up2date ...
[12:30] <gdh> that's a massive simplification, but works for the most part.
[12:31] <insanekane> anyone know the command to regenerate vmlinuz ?
[12:31] <insanekane> something to do with reading /modules/* to generate it ?
[12:32] <god-zero> I know about alien.. I was wondering why we use apt for 99% of things... but in odd places we use dpkg... 
[12:32] <insanekane> god-zero: apt uses dpkg too
[12:32] <gdh> god-zero: in the ideal world, apt works with retrieving updates and installing new software from remote locations, dpkg works solely on the local package-base 
[12:33] <gdh> apt is a nice frontend to resolve dependencies.. you *could* get by using only dpkg and wget'ing .deb files manually, but there's no need to
[12:38] <god-zero> ah, that's kinda what I thought. Thaks for the info
[12:38] <incubii> user aptitude
[12:39] <nalioth> god-zero: apt calls dpkg to do the heavy work after it resolves and downloads depends and binaries
[12:39] <god-zero> so wen i dpkg a .deb, does it get entered into the database or whatever apt uses for package tracking?
[12:40] <jmg> hey all
[12:40] <Hagarke> insanekane: wife calling for dinner, brb
[12:40] <jmg> need some help with dmix and kubuntu?
[12:40] <nalioth> god-zero: yes
[12:40] <jmg> on a craptop
[12:41] <jmg> artsd wont stop, except in oss 
[12:47] <jmg> guys i am having a problem with artsd
[12:47] <jmg> cannot open default capture invalid arbument or some such
[12:51] <insanekane> Hagarke: hehe :)
[12:51] <god-zero> nikkia: .vg = British Virgin Islands?
[12:51] <insanekane> god-zero: yes, it does
[12:51] <insanekane> god-zero: err ... ie, wrt deb, dpkg and apt
[12:51] <nikkia> god-zero: no idea, its an afraid.org dynamic DNS domain
[12:52] <god-zero> lol, I thought that was fast
[12:54] <god-zero> I had a dyndns pointing at my pc once, but was getting scanned all the time by **AAs.. as if a dyndns = pirate, got sick of it.
[12:55] <nikkia> god-zero: how would they know you had a dyndns? its more likely they scanned you because of all the p2ps you were running :P
[12:56] <god-zero> :) no, it was all http  and ftp requests.
[12:56] <Hagarke> insanekane, do you know the basics of dpkg ?  Just a hint how to do it ?  Or a site where I can find the necesarry information ?
[12:57] <insanekane> Hagarke: to tell you the truth, no i don't know the basics ... but, you should ask Riddell and \sh (and probably nikkia) about it .. the first 2 are maintainers of Kubuntu
[12:58] <Hagarke> I see nikkia is online, maybe he can join in on this
[12:58] <insanekane> Hagarke: all I know is that there are keys and corresponding values ... for eg, a key like amarok.backend.db could have values mysql, sqlite, postgres, whatever ... when it is set to mysql, then the amarok package will be setup to use mysql, and so on
[12:58] <insanekane> Hagarke: nikkia is a she
[12:58] <Hagarke> Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, women ;-)
[12:58] <god-zero> call her dude, she likes that :)
[12:59] <insanekane> Hagarke: :)
[12:59] <insanekane> god-zero: hehe
[12:59] <nikkia> god-zero: don't make me kick ban you! :P
[12:59] <Hagarke> god-zero: no no, i read other stuff than the lines with my name in it  ;-)
[01:00] <insanekane> nikkia: he probably would *like* that mucly ;)
[01:00] <insanekane> muchly
[01:00] <inc|freaky> whats the best video player for linux?
[01:00] <insanekane> inc|freaky: don't go there :)
[01:00] <inc|freaky> what do you mean?
[01:01] <inc|freaky> i mean software video player like mplayer and stuff
[01:01] <inc|freaky> whcih one is the best i dont like noatun
[01:01] <nikkia> inc|freaky: what insanekane means is, video players are like religions :)
[01:01] <Hagarke> insanekane: I saw those keys in the packages (for arts, xmms, ...) .  Problem is that, imho, you need to compile with all the settings enabled.  I'm afraid that this will imply that you need all the dependencies too, even if you will not use it.
[01:01] <inc|freaky> ah awkay
[01:02] <insanekane> Hagarke: obviosly ... the package compiler will need all deps ... the user doesnt
[01:02] <inc|freaky> is there any list of video players i can look at to choose from? :D
[01:02] <Hagarke> I like religions: For now, I'm a catholic: your sins are easily forgiven, just before I die, I'll become muslin, you know, for those 10000 virgins awaiting me
[01:02] <god-zero> noatun works? that's news to me.   I use mostly kaffiene, but vlc is good too....
[01:03] <Hagarke> insanekane, in that key, you can specify other dependencies ?  Like if the user chooses to install it with sqllite, there will be no dependency on mysql ?
[01:04] <insanekane> Hagarke: of course :)
[01:05] <insanekane> Hagarke: i don't think it works that way though
[01:05] <Hagarke> insanekane: how does it work according to you ?
[01:05] <insanekane> Hagarke: to be sure, you need to ask Riddell, \sh and/or nikkia .... i also suggest joining the kubuntu-dev mailing list (low traffic)
[01:06] <nikkia> insanekane: i know little about the inner workings of dpkg, no good asking me
[01:06] <Hagarke> nikkia: can you give some more information on this ? 
[01:06] <insanekane> Hagarke: well, according to me, the script which installs the package (amarok) uses the settings to resolve dependencies
[01:06] <insanekane> nikkia: ah ok, sorry :)
[01:07] <insanekane> Hagarke: how it works (my version) is that, dpkg looks for values in its database, then if not found, then it asks the user (or something like that)
[01:08] <Hagarke> hi, if you are online, could you join in on a conversation between me and insanekane.  We are talking about dpkg and how to install a package with different dependencies.  This is for amarok, which comes compiled with mysql and without sqllite support, which is the opposite way of how i want it.
[01:08] <Hagarke> Riddell: hi, if you are online, could you join in on a conversation between me and insanekane.  We are talking about dpkg and how to install a package with different dependencies.  This is for amarok, which comes compiled with mysql and without sqllite support, which is the opposite way of how i want it.
[01:09] <insanekane> Hagarke: err, i don't think it comes without sqlite support ... perhaps just installing sqlite (and changing the settings in amarok) will do what you want ?
[01:10] <Hagarke> DEB_CONFIGURE-EXTRA_FLAGS: --without-included-sqllite  --enable-mysql
[01:11] <Hagarke> If that goes to the ./configure command, then I think it does not have the sqllite support
[01:12] <inc|freaky> is there any way i can change the default filemanager? because it always opens konqueror when i insert CDs i want it to open krusader :)
[01:13] <insanekane> Hagarke: without included sqlite probably means use system sqlite, ie, not use the sqlite included within amarok
[01:14] <insanekane> inc|freaky: well, there is no "easy" way to do it ... perhaps you can try an ivman script ?
[01:14] <Hagarke> insanekane: ok, that is sane ;-)
[01:15] <insanekane> :)
[01:15] <insanekane> even though it is qt-perl, i must say adept is nice :) nicer than synaptic so far :)
[01:16] <inc|freaky> yea adept is nice :)
[01:16] <inc|freaky> insanekane: whats an ivman script
[01:16] <inc|freaky> ?
[01:17] <insanekane> inc|freaky: well, ivman is this thing that is used to interact with DBUS (and specifically, HAL) to respond to HAL events
[01:17] <insanekane> inc|freaky: HAL provides a notification when a CD is inserted ... you can trap that, and run a script when it happens (eg, opening Krusader)
[01:17] <insanekane> inc|freaky: i believe the ivman website provides a hint to do exactly what you have asked
[01:17] <god-zero> interesting
[01:18] <insanekane> inc|freaky: anyway, vman is in breezy afaict
[01:18] <inc|freaky> thx :D im running breezy ;D
[01:19] <god-zero> hrm.. only works for volumes... there goes my idea
[01:20] <insanekane> god-zero: what was your idea ?
[01:21] <insanekane> god-zero: was it a brilliant idea ? ;)
[01:22] <god-zero> 1 specificly was to launch a calbrate proggy when I plug in my usb game pad... but had other seed of thoughts... is there some thing similar for random usb stuff?
[01:23] <god-zero> (my controler is always drifting)
[01:23] <Hagarke> does anybody know when version 1.3 of amarok will be in kubuntu ?  I see they have postgresql support in it.  Which is better than sqlite and mysql for me (I develop on postgresql)
[01:24] <god-zero> for instance, plugging in a usb wifi trasnsiever would launch a network dialog
[01:25] <insanekane> god-zero: i think there are DBUS events for that
[01:26] <insanekane> god-zero: but I doubt if ivman can handle it
[01:26] <insanekane> god-zero: however, if you know python, you can easily do that
[01:26] <Hagarke> that is strange.  I'm running breezy preview for the moment.  According to packages.ubuntu.org, amarok is in breezy.  Why do i have version 1.2 ?
[01:26] <insanekane> Hagarke: hmm ...
[01:26] <insanekane> Hagarke: didnt think of it
[01:26] <insanekane> Hagarke: adept says amarok is "upgradeable"
[01:28] <god-zero> odd. I only see 1.3.1... oh wait breezy preview came out at the same time as 1.3.1 iirc so it wasn't on that disc
[01:33] <insanekane> god-zero: you can trap DBUS events using a python script
[01:34] <god-zero> python.. I really want to learn it. I usually only program in assembly on imbedded stuff. My high level programming skills have atrophied pretty bad
[01:35] <insanekane> god-zero: yeah sure :P
[01:35] <god-zero> ?
[01:35] <insanekane> god-zero: i do embedded PIC programming
[01:36] <insanekane> god-zero: anyway, its easy to learn python ... as a matter of fact, you know most of it already
[01:38] <god-zero> you do embedded too? What types of aplications? I do automation, robotics, some vision. I do some of the hardware desighn, almost all of the electrical design.
[01:39] <insanekane> god-zero: i don't do *any* of the electrical design :) im a software engineer (whatever) ... i just do the programming, and help with the planning for the electronic design
[01:39] <insanekane> god-zero: so far, mostly automation, audio controls, crap like that
[01:40] <insanekane> god-zero: did a GPS project once though (GPS module <-> PIC <-> GSM module interfacing :P )
[01:40] <god-zero> I thought about java, then I heard about python.. sounds more like what I want.
[01:41] <insanekane> yes python is much better imho
[01:48] <god-zero> insanekane: Was that a consumer device? All the stuff I do has been "1 off" industrial automation. 
[01:48] <John6000> is the 3.5 kde quite stabl?
[01:48] <John6000> e
[01:49] <god-zero> John6000: no
[01:49] <John6000> best not upgrade yet :/
[01:49] <insanekane> god-zero: well, not really a consumer device ... was a prototype for military, public services, etc
[01:49] <god-zero> it's ok. Just not what I'd call stable. 
[01:50] <John6000> i was wondering if itl lbe ok to have
[01:50] <insanekane> god-zero: did it while in University
[01:51] <god-zero> John6000: well, it hasn't killed x any time recently, but I wouldn't use it at work
[01:51] <John6000> ah
[01:58] <insanekane> ok cya all later
[01:58] <insanekane> ciao
[02:12] <mortenpet> can anyone help me too install java? i cant find it in synaptic...
[02:13] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell mortenpet about sunjava
[02:14] <CaiN_SA> ok right i installed languages for kde
[02:14] <CaiN_SA> but i cant choose them ?
[02:14] <CaiN_SA> how i fix it ?
[02:14] <apokryphos> mortenpet: actually, ignore that; someone changed the factoid
[02:14] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: in the control center, look at the 'Regional & Accessibility' menu.
[02:14] <apokryphos> mortenpet: grab these and install them . /etc/bash_completion
[02:14] <apokryphos> err... I mean http://www.giannaros.org/public/hoarydebs/
[02:15] <CaiN_SA> Blissex, it isnt there :/
[02:16] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: you may have to logout and login again...
[02:16] <CaiN_SA> erm i did
[02:16] <CaiN_SA> still isnt there
[02:16] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: then you are unlucky :-).
[02:16] <CaiN_SA> wow
[02:16] <mortenpet> apokryphos: how do i install *deb files?
[02:16] <CaiN_SA> nice help
[02:16] <CaiN_SA> mortenpet, sudo dpkg packname.deb
[02:16] <CaiN_SA> mortenpet, sudo dpkg -i packname.deb
[02:17] <mortenpet> tnx
[02:17] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: well, what can I say? You say you have installed the right packages, and the right packages put the right stuff in that menu.
[02:18] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: note that are not telling which packages you have installed. I may suspect that they are not the right packages, but I got to believe you.
[02:19] <CaiN_SA> Blissex, say i want french
[02:19] <CaiN_SA> which packages must i install ?
[02:20] <CaiN_SA> for kde :)
[02:21] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: well for kde is not the right approach, you need a lot of packages to frenchify your system.
[02:21] <CaiN_SA> like what
[02:21] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: strictly for KDE it is 'kde-i18n-fr'
[02:23] <CaiN_SA> thx
[02:23] <CaiN_SA> i want it in afrikaans / zulu and xhosa :)
[02:23] <CaiN_SA> hehe
[02:23] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: but almost surely you also want to reconfigure the 'locales' package to add a french locale, and things like 'aspell-fr', 'koffice-i18n-fr', 'acheck-rules-fr', 'fortunes-fr' etc
[02:24] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: in that case Mark Shuttleworth has just invested in a company that will produce a version of Kubuntu specifically for those languages :-).
[02:24] <CaiN_SA> lol
[02:24] <CaiN_SA> impilinux ?
[02:24] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: ys, wait a few months...
[02:25] <CaiN_SA> lol
[02:25] <CaiN_SA> sigh
[02:25] <CaiN_SA> i work for impilinuxc
[02:25] <CaiN_SA> what im trying to find out
[02:25] <CaiN_SA> if anny1 doesnt know wth the packages doesnt work :P
[02:26] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: Well, I have three languages installed here and they seem to be OK. This is KDE 3.4.2 from Hoary.
[02:27] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: which particular packages don't work?
[02:27] <CaiN_SA> afrikaans / zulu and xhosa packages
[02:27] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: you tried any others?
[02:27] <CaiN_SA> trying german now
[02:27] <CaiN_SA> waiting for download
[02:28] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: also have a look at the language packs from Debian for a second opinion :-).
[02:28] <CaiN_SA> nee sies
[02:28] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: wait a sec -- are you trying to install the 'language-pack-xx' packages or directly the KDE/... ones?
[02:29] <CaiN_SA> both
[02:30] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: because I am looking at the 'language-pack-xx' ones and the french one for example has no dependencies... which means it would not work, because it should be a ''metapackage''.
[02:31] <CaiN_SA> i have kde-i18n-af install but afrikaans doesnt work
[02:31] <CaiN_SA> you think those other might break it ?
[02:32] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: I just looked at 'language-pack-af' and it has no dependencies...
[02:32] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: I can try to install kde-i18n-af here, wait a sec.
[02:32] <CaiN_SA> the german one does work
[02:32] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: ha.
[02:33] <CaiN_SA> tell me if the afrikaans one works there
[02:33] <Blissex> yes wait a bit
[02:34] <CaiN_SA> yaya
[02:39] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: downloaded, having a look
[02:40] <gino> installare skype su kubuntu?
[02:40] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: oops, -af does not quite work here too.
[02:41] <Blissex> gino: scarica il '.deb' di Skype a 'dpkg --install ....'
[02:41] <gino> Ho fatto ma senza successo!...
[02:42] <CaiN_SA> thx Blissex 
[02:42] <CaiN_SA> ill check why
[02:45] <CaiN_SA> Blissex, it wont work its like 32kb :/
[02:45] <Tm_T> aaaah
[02:45] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: ahhhh, I did something dumb...
[02:46] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: I got the 'kde-i18b-af' from 3.3.2 and it is 3645KB that one, but probably not compatible with 3.4.2
[02:47] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: I got several unholy sources for my APT, and these are the four versions of that package that turn upL
[02:47] <Blissex>    1095kB 4076kB                       unstable,unstable,unstable                   4:3.4.2-4
[02:47] <Blissex> p   1484B  32.8kB                       breezy                                       4:3.4.2-0ubuntu1
[02:47] <Blissex> p   1554B  32.8kB                                                                    4:3.4.2-0ubuntu0hoary1
[02:47] <Blissex> i   954kB  3645kB                       testing,stable,testing                       4:3.3.2-2
[02:48] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: the two Debian versions are 4076kB for 3.4.2 and 3645kB for 3.3.2, the two Ubuntu ones are basically dummies.
[02:48] <CaiN_SA> lol
[02:48] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: so basically you got to rob a Debian repository for 'af' packages.
[02:49] <CaiN_SA> or go look on kde.org
[02:49] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: yes, but it is much easier to recycle a Debianized package.
[02:50] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: I have a mostly Debian system, but I use the KDE and X.org packages from Hoary.
[02:50] <Blissex> CaiN_SA: almost certainly the source '.deb' for Debian will just build under Kubuntu.
[02:52] <Blissex> after all essentially all of Ubuntu has been robbed from the grave of Debian.
[02:52] <Blissex> and viceversa too: the Debian X.org packages were originally the Ubuntu ones IIRC.
[03:04] <Tonio-> hi everyone
[03:04] <Secreth`X> hi
[03:05] <Tonio-> little question out there: isn't p7zip supposed to integrate with Ark for 7z files extraction (and eventually compression)
[03:05] <Tonio-> I'm trying with both pacakges installed and that doesn't seem to work.....
[03:15] <mornfall> |seen insanekane
[03:16] <apokryphos> !seen insanekane
[03:16] <ubotu> insanekane <n=kane@202.83.35.234> was last seen on IRC in channel #kubuntu, 1h 17m 17s ago, saying: 'ciao'.
[03:16] <mornfall> god-zero: why ugly?
[03:18] <mornfall> Riddell: how goes?
[03:20] <Deanie> i need some help with apache and ssl and mod deflate, and getting em to play nice.
[03:22] <mornfall> arrrr
[03:25] <obontu> where can i find extra repositories?
[03:25] <apokryphos> !repositories
[03:25] <ubotu> repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy))
[03:25] <obontu> thanx
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> apokryphos: i think you have a script to do !blah for you
[03:25] <dell500> anyone know how to split the desktop into 2 for dual monitors? 2 crts, xorg.conf might need more options i think
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> your way to quick otherwise ;)
[03:26] <dell500> lol
[03:26] <nikkia> dell500: you need to enable xinerama
[03:26] <dell500> i thought xinerama didn't work
[03:26] <apokryphos> Kamping_Kaiser: nah, that was 13 seconds. I haven't been on IRC for some time, that's why 8)
[03:26] <orace|> what's dapper?
[03:26] <dell500> i've got an ATI 9600xt
[03:26] <apokryphos> !dapper
[03:26] <ubotu> I heard dapper is the 6.04 version of Ubuntu, statement by Mark Shuttleworth can be found here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=350378#post350378 .
[03:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:26] <nikkia> dell500: maybe not on an ATI card :)
[03:26] <Blissex> dell500: depends, there are a lot of dual monitor HOWTOs out there.
[03:26] <nikkia> xinerama works on my nvidia cards tho
[03:26] <orace|> cool
[03:27] <dell500> well i've got 2 sections for both monitors
[03:27] <nikkia> dell500:  that will likely create 2 seperate X displays, both with their own screen
[03:27] <Blissex> dell500: sample configs here: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Cfg/X11/
[03:27] <dell500> not sure if there are some more options i might need
[03:27] <dell500> well it's like my res is really small, but it's double the size.... i have to use the mouse to "scroll" across the desktop, it sucks
[03:28] <orace|> cool
[03:28] <Blissex> dell500: thats because you configured the desktop size wrong.
[03:28] <dell500> aw i c
[03:29] <Blissex> dell500: or you configured the monitors wrong, so X cannot put them in a resolution to match that of your desktop.
[03:29] <dell500> is there a site i can load the conf file?
[03:29] <dell500> should I use all these server flags and such, they look nifty lol
[03:29] <Blissex> dell500: so if you configured your desktop to be 1280x1204 but the monitor is only configured to do 1024x768, then the virtual desktop will be 1280x1024 and you will scroll at the margins.
[03:30] <Blissex> dell500: this has nothing to do with a dual monitor setup... It happens with a single monitor too.
[03:31] <dell500> ok
[03:31] <dell500> can i upload my xorg.conf file somewhere, like a code site or something
[03:31] <apokryphos> dell500: you can use a pastebin
[03:31] <Blissex> dell500: so to fix it specify the right vertical and horizontal frequencies in the sections describing the monitors.
[03:31] <nikkia> !pastebin
[03:31] <ubotu> hmm... pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:32] <dell500> Blissex, they are correct
[03:32] <dell500> for both monitors
[03:33] <Blissex> dell500: then look at the '/var/log/Xorg.0.log' file to see why the virtual and the real monitor resolution are different.
[03:33] <dell500> aw, ok
[03:35] <dell500> i think simply logging out and then logging back in doesn't make a difference on how the xorg is loaded
[03:35] <dell500> so a complete reboot is needed?
[03:35] <inc|freaky> ubuntu rules :D
[03:35] <dell500> that's my first conclusion from the log
[03:37] <dell500> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2657 <- Xorg.0.log
[03:38] <nikkia> dell500: you need to restart X, which you can do with ctrl-alt-backspace
[03:38] <_admin>  i need an apache dude
[03:38] <_admin> cant build it with ssl/deflate properly.
[03:39] <dell500> brb
[03:44] <deanie> i built/installed zlib and openssl but when i try make apache2 (with --enable-ssl) i get 
[03:44] <deanie> make[4] : *** [ssl_engine_pphrase.slo]  Error 1
[03:44] <deanie> make[4] : Leaving directory `/home/admin/httpd-2.0.54/modules/ssl'
[03:44] <deanie> make[3] : *** [shared-build-recursive]  Error 1
[03:44] <deanie> and a few others like it.
[03:45] <deanie> following a guide on devside.net btw...
[03:48] <arhizs> anyone can help me here to use serial mouse on kubuntu???
[03:48] <arhizs> anyone can help me here to use serial mouse on kubuntu???
[03:49] <inc|freaky> hm
[03:49] <inc|freaky> i dont know 
[03:49] <inc|freaky> i cant probably
[03:49] <inc|freaky> i'd try reconfiguring X
[03:49] <arhizs> anyone....
[03:49] <arhizs> how??
[03:49] <arhizs> im a linux newbie
[03:49] <inc|freaky> yea, if you#
[03:50] <inc|freaky> if you're a linux newbie i dont know if that's such a good idea i was scared when doing it
[03:50] <inc|freaky> but you can try it: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:50] <inc|freaky> but you can try it: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:50] <inc|freaky> its reconfiguring your graphical desktop
[03:50] <arhizs> ic 
[03:50] <inc|freaky> if you do something wrong you cant get into kde anymore
[03:51] <arhizs> i tried editting xorg.conf
[03:51] <gdh> arhizs: can you "cat /dev/ttyS0" ?
[03:51] <gdh> arhizs: if you can wiggle the mouse and see random chars on screen, it at least confirms your serial port is working :)
[03:51] <arhizs> il try 
[03:51] <arhizs> its working perhaps 
[03:52] <arhizs> because im using it now 
[03:52] <arhizs> in XP 
[03:52] <arhizs> ......
[03:53] <arhizs> it doesnt move
[03:53] <gdh> shouldn't be a problem, then.. 
[03:53] <arhizs> but wen i boot in kubuntu 
[03:53] <arhizs> i cnt use it...
[03:53] <gdh> should just be a case of changing the Option Device "/dev/input/mice" to /dev/input/mice in xorg.conf
[03:53] <gdh> gah
[03:53] <gdh> to /dev/ttyS0
[03:53] <gdh> assuming it's on COM1
[03:54] <arhizs> but i cant find that line in xorg.conf 
[03:54] <arhizs> it just say mice
[03:54] <gdh> It's in Section "InputDevice"
[03:54] <gdh>         Option          "Device"                "/dev/input/mice"
[03:54] <arhizs> i tried that 
[03:54] <gdh> mind, if it didn't detect a mouse at all in the first place, that whole section may be missing ?
[03:54] <arhizs> but still 
[03:55] <arhizs> ic..
[03:55] <arhizs> ic 
[03:55] <arhizs> il try that 
[03:56] <arhizs> hey 
[03:56] <arhizs> i have another question 
[03:56] <Hobbsee> shoot
[03:56] <arhizs> can i use YM with voice using wine?
[03:56] <arhizs> and maybe use the webcam??
[03:57] <Hobbsee> dont know - try it
[03:57] <Hobbsee> i'd be interested in the results...
[03:57] <arhizs> id tried it in xandros 
[03:58] <arhizs> using 
[03:58] <arhizs> crossover 
[03:58] <arhizs> it installed 
[03:58] <arhizs> but 
[03:58] <arhizs> no result ....
[03:58] <Hobbsee> :( darn
[03:58] <Hobbsee> *yawns*...
[03:59] <Hobbsee> midnight - nite all...
[03:59] <arhizs> we have a computer shop 
[03:59] <arhizs> and microsoft is raiding pirated software 
[03:59] <arhizs> is kubuntu d best distro to run on a cafe??
[04:01] <dell500> wow that was wierd
[04:01] <dell500> for some reason, the settings work in gnome, but not in kde
[04:02] <dell500> i used my old config from a few hours ago, and did startx (i guess gnome) and it works....
[04:19] <jjesse> !seen phillipmaniac
[04:19] <ubotu> jjesse: i haven't seen 'phillipmaniac'
[04:38] <whoiam> anybody know how someone supposed to add a user to sudoers list ?
[04:39] <apokryphos> whoiam: check the /topic
[04:39] <whoiam> apokryphos: what is in ths topic ?
[04:39] <whoiam> can't get you ?
[04:40] <Tm_T> ...
[04:40] <apokryphos> whoiam: type /topic -- and check the FAQ it links to
[04:40] <gdh> Tm_T: You distract him, I'll get the cluegun :)
[04:40] <Tm_T> gdh: doh?
[04:41] <gdh> sorry, I was thinking about cheese. never mind :)
[04:41] <Tm_T> gdh: has ever seen this? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/378722
[04:41] <jjesse> don't know who can change the topic but if you are on breezy (preview) and do a dist-upgrade you get adept
[04:41] <Tm_T> ...
[04:41] <Tm_T> jjesse: yes
[04:41] <jjesse> so you don't have to do an apt-get install adept
[04:42] <StR> Hi all!
[04:42] <Tm_T> StR: hello my dear
[04:42] <StR> Tm_T: does your systm work now?
[04:42] <Tm_T> nah, still can't compile stuff
[04:42] <Tm_T> X is fine though
[04:42] <StR> Tm_T: "Dearest of all my friends" ...
[04:42] <Tm_T> =)
[04:42] <gdh> Tm_T: No - I have a rule never to try and compile if I can help it :)
[04:42] <jjesse> grin thanks mornfall 
[04:42] <whoiam> hello gdh
[04:42] <StR> Tm_T: what r u trying to compile?
[04:42] <Tm_T> StR:  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/378722
[04:43] <apokryphos> jjesse: you can just use /topic sometopic
[04:43] <jjesse> apokryphos: ah didn't know that
[04:43] <Tm_T> StR: kopete, amarok, koffice, kdepim...
[04:43] <gdh> whoiam: Hi
[04:43] <jjesse> kinda newbie to irc
[04:43] <apokryphos> =)
[04:43] <StR> Tm_T: and why?   don't the pkgs work for you?
[04:44] <Tm_T> StR: well, I try to help with develop...
[04:44] <Tm_T> and I really like to try new features ;)
[04:44] <whoiam> gdh: http://whoiam55.at.preempted.net/?p=19
[04:45] <Tm_T> I'm sort of wannabe-devel
[04:45] <StR> Tm_T: lol ...
[04:45] <gdh> whoiam: Heh nice - dunno if it's possible to link from an official Ubuntu wiki / faq?
[04:46] <Tm_T> StR: please don't force me to use "regular" package stuff
[04:47] <StR> Tm_T: lol.....
[04:47] <StR> Tm_T: have you seen the usplash?
[04:47] <Tm_T> what's usplash
[04:48] <Chambers`> anyone here using Evolution to get email from Exchange Server?
[04:48] <apokryphos> Tm_T: ask ubotu ;-)
[04:48] <jjesse> Chambers`: i've tried it
[04:48] <Tm_T> apokryphos: no, I asked from google
[04:48] <jjesse> i had it working under hoary but can't get it to authenticate under breezy
[04:48] <Tm_T> StR: no I haven't
[04:48] <jjesse> !usplash
[04:48] <ubotu> methinks usplash is in Breezy: sudo apt-get install usplash, for more information see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USplashDiscuss
[04:49] <apokryphos> Tm_T: so ask ubotu ;-)
[04:49] <Chambers`> well, when i chose Server Type as Exchange, the only configuration that comes up is username, I don't get the OWA URL field that I should
[04:49] <Chambers`> any ideas?
[04:49] <Tm_T> apokryphos: nah, no need for that kind of "bling"
[04:49] <apokryphos> heh
[04:49] <Tm_T> StR: any ideas how to get those apps compiled?
[04:50] <jjesse> Chambers`: it was under one of the sections it asked for my global catalog server
[04:51] <jjesse> which is how i had it working in hoary
[04:52] <Chambers`> but in the Gnome Evolution Manual, my app doesn't even look like how they have it
[04:52] <gdh> Chambers: You're really in the wrong place for Evo questions.. 
[04:52] <Chambers`> in the manual, when you pick Exchange as a server type, it asks for a username, OWA URL, and password.  Mine only shows username and the ok button is greyed out
[04:53] <gdh> #ubuntu or #gnome .. or maybe even #evolution if it exists?
[04:53] <Chambers`> yeah, i asked in ubuntu and gnome already :/
[04:53] <jjesse> Chambers`: i'm checking my fresh install of preview, hold on let me see if i can get it setup again
[04:53] <Chambers`> it's like the one big feature of evo and no one even uses it..hehe
[04:53] <Chambers`> thanks jjesse
[04:54] <jjesse> no one in #evolution
[04:54] <Chambers`> :(
[04:54] <gdh> Doesn't Kontact do the Exchange Server shizzle too?
[04:54] <gdh> I've been fortunate enough not ever to have used Exchange, I think :)
[04:55] <jjesse> i like the groupware setup for exchange it is an easy product i have found to admin and setup
[04:55] <jjesse> gdh: i haven't gotten kontact to authenticate correctly
[04:57] <Chambers`> exchange as a Server is actually really reliable
[04:59] <jjesse> Chambers`: can't get it past username on new setup
[04:59] <Chambers`> think it's a Ubuntu bug?
[04:59] <Chambers`> cause if it is I'll report it
[05:02] <jjesse> i guess iwou ld check evolution for bugs first and see what happens
[05:03] <jjesse> Chambers`: let me know if you post a bug or not, mail me at jjesse@iserv.net
[05:03] <Chambers`> checking out bugzilla now, will let you know
[05:07] <Tm_T> StR: you're thinkin _that_ hard?! ;-P
[05:11] <Chambers`> jjesse: A bug has been reported already, i hope it gets fixed before final
[05:12] <jjesse> in ubuntu or in evolution?
[05:13] <Chambers`> in Ubuntu
[05:15] <jjesse> bug #?
[05:16] <Chambers`>  Bug #15434
[05:17] <crtr> how to unrar ?
[05:18] <Chambers`> man rar
[05:18] <crtr> no rar ..
[05:18] <Chambers`> it's something like rar -x (for extract) filename   something like that
[05:18] <crtr> i?m using unrar ..
[05:18] <crtr> downloaded with apt-get ..
[05:18] <nikkia> Chambers_: no '-' just 'unrar x filename.rar'
[05:18] <Chambers`> man unrar
[05:19] <crtr> there?s un error ..
[05:19] <Chambers`> wow, they changed it since last time, yay :)
[05:19] <crtr> Extracting  lost.202.hdtv-lol.srt                                     Failed
[05:19] <crtr> Failed
[05:19] <nikkia> crt, use unrar-nonfree
[05:19] <Chambers`> bad crc on one of the rar files
[05:19] <nikkia> crtr, even
[05:19] <nikkia> Chambers_: yeah, its because the 'free' unrar doesn't support all compression methods from unrar-nonfree
[05:20] <Chambers`> do you have par2 files?  check the rar
[05:20] <nikkia> either that, or its password protected
[05:20] <crtr> no 
[05:20] <crtr> there?? only one file
[05:20] <Chambers`> the console won't ask for a password if that's the case?
[05:20] <crtr> .srt
[05:20] <nikkia> Chambers_: in nonfree unrar, yes, in free unrar, no
[05:20] <Chambers`> redownload
[05:20] <nikkia> free unrar is practically useless, IMO
[05:21] <nikkia> crtr, just install unrar-nonfree
[05:21] <nikkia> or ignore me, your choice really
[05:22] <vieirar> Not sure if this is a known issue. But I am using an onboard ATI graphics card. Whenever I move a window or start a program. During the draw/redraw CPU utilization jumps to 100%.
[05:22] <Chambers`> nikkia: so unrar won't ask for password if protected?
[05:22] <nikkia> Chambers_: the 'free' unrar, doesn't do a lot of things, as i said, its practically useless
[05:23] <vieirar> Also whenever I am accessing the HDD cpu utilization jumps to 100%. The chipset I am using is ATI SB400. Any clues or help. My system is Kubuntu AMD64.
[05:23] <nikkia> Chambers_: basically, if you're using someone else's rar files, they'll be compressed with a newer method, or encrypted, and you need unrar-nonfree (which is still 'free' just not 'Free')
[05:40] <blackflag> hello all :-)
[05:40] <seth_k> hi
[05:40] <blackflag> sorry, but I have a question about suse
[05:40] <seth_k> I use SuSE
[05:41] <nalioth> suse? do i know her?
[05:41] <buz> ugly gold digging bitch she is
[05:41] <buz> SCNR
[05:41] <seth_k> yeah, she's ugly and kinda slow
[05:41] <blackflag> Can I configure suse so that I have a function like apt?
[05:41] <buz> not without a lot of trouble
[05:41] <Chousuke> This has nothing to do with kubuntu
[05:41] <seth_k> YaST handles SuSE package management
[05:41] <seth_k> but RPMs suck
[05:41] <blackflag> I want to install vidiolan
[05:41] <seth_k> so give SuSE up
[05:41] <seth_k> :P
[05:42] <buz> switch to kubuntu
[05:42] <seth_k> blackflag, YaST > Install Software
[05:42] <nalioth> blackflag: and good luck with YaST > Install Software, <snigger>
[05:42] <blackflag> yes ,but I can not install soft ware over Internet
[05:43] <seth_k> then you're stuck, kthxbai
[05:43] <blackflag> like apt
[05:43] <seth_k> seriously, if you try to manually resolve RPM deps, it's a huge pain
[05:43] <buz> suse is like the winme of linux
[05:43] <blackflag> where I say go to this server and get the software and solve dpendencies
[05:44] <blackflag> and install also necessary files
[05:44] <buz> dude, go to a suse channel
[05:44] <buz> (one would think that'd be kinda obvious)
[05:45] <blackflag> seth_k: is there a way todo it automatic?
[05:46] <seth_k> no, because SuSE's package management sucks
[05:46] <seth_k> especially if you have no net access
[05:46] <blackflag> okay, that was what I want to know
[05:46] <seth_k> SuSE has no apt-zip or anything that would help you
[05:46] <blackflag> cause I'm thinking I do something wrong
[05:47] <seth_k> (apt-zip pwns, btw)
[05:47] <blackflag> then there is suse a very static system?!
[05:47] <buz> !apt-zip
[05:47] <ubotu> buz: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[05:48] <seth_k> !info apt-zip
[05:48] <ubotu> apt-zip: (Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media), section universe/admin, is extra. Version: 0.13.2 (hoary), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 96 kB
[05:48] <buz> ah i dont care for that ;)
[05:48] <seth_k> haha but it's good for those who are on dial-up at home or something ;)
[05:48] <buz> thankfully, i havent been on dialup since 2000
[05:48] <seth_k> mm
[05:49] <nalioth> buz: it's !info <packagename> <distro (optional)>
[05:49] <buz> and i'm not gonna ever go back to it ;)
[05:49] <troy> buz: oh, but it's so... fun
[05:49] <seth_k> blackflag, SuSE's package management is just terrible, and if you want to use SuSE you're going to have to get used to the idea that you won't be updating much
[05:49] <seth_k> 10x so if you don't have the interwebnet
[05:49] <seth_k> anyways, lunchtime
[05:56] <csk> i am trying to install kubuntu and i am struck at "installing base system" retrieving bsdutils 6%
[05:56] <csk> can some one help
[05:58] <whoiam> gdh: I just got a new 17" monitor, I set it at 1024x768@85hz, Now I'm feeling some hazy fonts
[05:59] <gdh> hazy?
[05:59] <nalioth> csk: is your disk burnt properly?
[05:59] <nalioth> csk: do the md5 sums check out?
[06:00] <csk> what are md5 sums and how do we check it
[06:01] <whoiam> gdh: I mean to say, font's are not so clear (sharp)
[06:02] <csk> i got the cds from ubuntu
[06:02] <gdh> whoiam: time for me to go home - proably back later :)
[06:02] <csk> ok can some one tell me how do i install from a live CD
[06:02] <whoiam> gdh: ok, by
[06:02] <whoiam> bye*
[06:02] <whoiam> csk: I don't think you can install from live CD
[06:03] <whoiam> csk: knoppix is what you can install from live cd
[06:04] <csk> but why is this base system error? from the cd i get from ubuntu.org
[06:05] <whoiam> csk: I don't know bout that error, you would better posting in kubuntu forum
[06:07] <ToyMan> hi all
[06:07] <ToyMan> anyone here gotten kexi to work?
[06:07] <whoiam> hey ToyMan 
[06:08] <ToyMan> howdy
[06:12] <Chambers`> how do I mount a smb share?  I thought it was mount -t smbfs //servername/sharename /mountdirectory -o username=mywindowsusername,password=mywindowspassword  but i try it and i get a wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock error
[06:15] <ToyMan> Chambers`: Don't samba shares show up as type vfat or ntfs?
[06:16] <ToyMan> and /me is still looking for kexi advice  ;-)
[06:17] <ToyMan> Chambers`: another option would be to do an NFS export on the server and mount it that way
[06:18] <Chambers`> thanks ToyMan , i will try it out
[06:19] <ToyMan> good luck
[06:19] <Chambers`> yeah, that didn't work :p
[06:32] <libben> funderar p att ka in till kista gallerian o glo lite...
[06:33] <libben> allt har ju ppet till nio dr
[06:40] <XHK> Why i dont have any sounds in kde?
[06:41] <seth_k> you either 1) still have esd running and it conflicts artsd 2) don't have lib-esd-alsa0 3) don't have artsd
[06:42] <XHK> ummmm how can i solve these problems then?
[06:43] <Tm_T> libben: tala engelska, tack ;)
[06:43] <seth_k> ubotu tell XHK about sound
[06:44] <XHK> seth_k: isnt there written only about gnome sound problems?
[06:45] <seth_k> okay you win :P
[06:45] <seth_k> sudo killall esd && artsd
[06:46] <seth_k> and you might ensure you have libesd-alsa0 installed
[06:46] <libben> Tm_T: trodde jag var i annan kanal =) thought i was in another channel
[06:47] <XHK> ty
[06:50] <XHK> Xmms now works, messed in preferences. 
[06:50] <XHK> But gaim's sounds still wont work
[06:50] <XHK> tried to changed its sound preferences too but no work
[06:53] <seth_k> gaim should be set to use arts
[06:54] <XHK> in gnome its set on esd and works...
[06:54] <XHK> but ill try
[06:56] <seth_k> of course. Gnome uses esd. KDE does not
[06:56] <seth_k> hence my telling you to "sudo killall esd && artsd"
[06:57] <seth_k> Riddell, do we file bugs on KDE 3.5 beta in bugzilla?
[06:58] <XHK> i tried sudo killall esd && artsd, it said no esd running or smth
[06:58] <seth_k> ok
[06:58] <seth_k> that's good
[06:58] <seth_k> so switch gaim over to artsd and you should be okay
[06:58] <seth_k> (trying to get two window managers working simultaneously = a lot of hassle)
[06:59] <XHK> i switched, but still no work =/ 
[07:00] <Tm_T> libben: oh, you understood me? ha, I learned something...
[07:01] <MrFaber> hi all
[07:01] <MrFaber> Has anyone experiences with loop-aes and K/Ubuntu?
[07:02] <XHK> u have any more ideas seth_k? 
[07:03] <seth_k> nope, I'm KDE-only
[07:03] <seth_k> and it Just Worked(tm) :/
[07:03] <seth_k> sorry
[07:03] <XHK> =/
[07:03] <XHK> In gnome my sounds didnt work, fixed them somehow, now with kde they wont work too :P
[07:04] <XHK> Do you like gnome or kde more? :P
[07:04] <XHK> 5585
[07:09] <XHK> in control center i can change  audio devuice too but there isnt no arts :S
[07:10] <XHK> Woooohoooooo fixed it somhow lol
[07:12] <XHK> fuckfuck fuck fuckfuckfuck
[07:12] <XHK> if gaim works then xmms wont, and if xmms works gaim wont :S
[07:12] <nalioth> XHK: watch your tongue, please
[07:12] <XHK> sorry lol 
[07:13] <seth_k> configure the xine engine
[07:13] <XHK> how can i do that 
[07:13] <XHK> ^^
[07:13] <seth_k> options in xmms
[07:13] <XHK> ok...
[07:14] <seth_k> change it to libAlsa methinks
[07:14] <seth_k> and install libesd-alsa0
[07:16] <XHK> I had to change output thing to libAlsa?
[07:18] <PeerSoft> Hello everyone.
[07:22] <sedeki> hello
[07:25] <PeerSoft> how are ya
[07:26] <PeerSoft> is kubuntu hard to use?  Cause I am getting it soon.
[07:26] <rikva> PeerSoft: nope
[07:26] <PeerSoft> cool cool.
[07:26] <rikva> PeerSoft: and if you have questions you can just pass by here :)
[07:27] <PeerSoft> well.. I have a pctel platinum v.90 dialup modem for net.
[07:27] <PeerSoft> could i use it?
[07:27] <PeerSoft> ive heard i could
[07:27] <rikva> PeerSoft: internal?
[07:27] <PeerSoft> yea
[07:28] <rikva> PeerSoft: do you know if it is a winmodem?
[07:28] <PeerSoft> no
[07:28] <PeerSoft> but i heard its supported now
[07:28] <PeerSoft> so inno
[07:28] <PeerSoft> ;x
[07:29] <rikva> PeerSoft: http://pctelcompdb.sourceforge.net/display.php
[07:30] <rikva> PeerSoft: it could be supported, you know the only real way to find out ;-)
[07:31] <PeerSoft> idont know my chipset tho
[07:32] <PeerSoft> 45 Compaq PC-TEL Platinum Series V.90 1789W Working 
[07:32] <PeerSoft> ;] 
[07:32] <rikva> PeerSoft: you could try booting a livecd, like knoppix, and use lspci
[07:32] <PeerSoft> thats mine
[07:32] <rikva> nice :)
[07:32] <PeerSoft> heh
[07:33] <PeerSoft> im so gettin nix
[07:33] <PeerSoft> thx
[07:33] <PeerSoft> ;] 
[07:33] <rikva> np :)
[07:37] <kkathman> greets all :)
[07:38] <dashrike> any good alternatives to gaim?
[07:38] <rikva> dashrike: kopete ?
[07:39] <dashrike> k
[07:39] <kkathman> dashrike: if you are in KDE you can use Kopete
[07:40] <dashrike> kubuntu is kde, yes?
[07:40] <dashrike> while ubuntu is not?
[07:40] <jjesse> yes it is dashrike 
[07:40] <jjesse> K Menu -> Internet -> Instant Messanger
[07:40] <kkathman> dashrike: well ubuntu is a distribution...and if you install KDE on top it becomes, kinda, kubuntu
[07:40] <jjesse> for kopete
[07:40] <dashrike> k, that is what I thought
[07:41] <dashrike> all I had found was gaim, which is kinda lacking in fuctions
[07:41] <Floker> hey does anyone of you know smt. about the LIRC stuff?
[07:41] <Floker> i want to buy an infrared reciever but i want to be sure that i can get it to work
[07:43] <kkathman> why infrared?
[07:43] <Floker> why? well i can contol my pc with an infrared-control then :)
[07:44] <Floker> i can control amarok and stuff with my laying around cd-player remote
[07:44] <jjesse> dashrike: kopote isn't installed on your system?
[07:44] <dashrike> not currently
[07:44] <kkathman> ahh
[07:44] <dashrike> my PC is fuxored right now :P
[07:44] <jjesse> what version of kubuntu do you?
[07:44] <dashrike> going to reinstall everything
[07:44] <kkathman> Floker: have you tried checking out the Ubuntu wiki and typing "infrared"  I think you'll be pleasantly surprised :)
[07:44] <dashrike> currently was running 5.1.something
[07:44] <jjesse> 5.10 ?
[07:44] <dashrike> burning a 5.4 cd soon though
[07:45] <dashrike> I don't remember exactly
[07:45] <dashrike> its been a while
[07:45] <Floker> kkathman: i'll have a try. special thanks
[07:45] <kkathman> np
[07:45] <kkathman> dashrike: you have Ubuntu already installed?
[07:45] <dashrike> well, it was....
[07:45] <kkathman> ahh was ?
[07:45] <dashrike> unfortunately, something has eaten my pc
[07:45] <kkathman> I see
[07:45] <dashrike> so currently it has nothing on it
[07:45] <kkathman> gotcha
[07:46] <m0ns00n> How's breezy doing?
[07:46] <dashrike> all sorts of fun
[07:46] <kkathman> yah Im still sitting on Hoary
[07:46] <kkathman> just havent gotten around to upgrading yet
[07:46] <kkathman> its always a bit of a hastle
[07:46] <dashrike> isn't breezy still a preview?
[07:47] <Floker> kkathman: there is nothing to find in the wikis
[07:47] <nalioth> dashrike: until oct 13
[07:47] <kkathman> yep as far as I know
[07:47] <dashrike> aight
[07:47] <kkathman> Floker: are you on a laptop?
[07:47] <kkathman> I just assumed you were
[07:47] <Floker> no, unfortunately =)
[07:47] <kkathman> ohhh
[07:47] <kkathman> hmm
[07:48] <kkathman> I found a whole page on infrared and laptops
[07:48] <Floker> im about to order one of these LIRC infrared _recievers_ (they aint send a signal)
[07:49] <kkathman> Floker: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=infrared&fullsearch=Text
[07:49] <Floker> but i want to make sure i am able to configure it before i buy a reciever
[07:49] <kkathman> I dont blame you
[07:49] <Floker> hehe
[07:49] <Floker> youre right
[07:49] <kkathman> Linux is pretty slow when it comes to new tech
[07:50] <kkathman> unless the manufacturer is committed to open source
[07:50] <kkathman> but this is something we accept over time
[07:50] <Floker> lirc is different
[07:50] <Floker> its build entirely on linux
[07:50] <Floker> and it has its own hardware specs
[07:50] <kkathman> ahhh good excellent, Im not familiar with it
[07:51] <Floker> so you need to use a lirc-enabled reciever
[07:51] <kkathman> it should work just fine then I'd suppose
[07:51] <Floker> yes me too =)
[07:51] <kkathman> perhaps you'll want to validate kernel compatibility, or restrictions
[07:51] <kkathman> but its probably ok
[07:51] <Floker> i never compiled a kernel or smt like that
[07:52] <kkathman> nah you shouldnt have to I'd think
[07:52] <Floker> i know how to compile apps, but it does not work in all cases
[07:52] <Floker> back in the days i was a windows developer
[07:52] <Floker> i was good
[07:52] <kkathman> you might check to see if the drivers are distrib in deb formats...I would suspect they will be along with RPMs etc
[07:52] <Floker> now everything is different
[07:52] <kkathman> Floker: yah I hear ya
[07:52] <Floker> i already installed lirc and stuff
[07:53] <kkathman> even windows isnt as easy as it once was
[07:53] <Floker> yes rite, but i developed in ObjectPascal, which is barely supported in linux
[07:53] <kkathman> once they went to the registry, things got overly complicated
[07:53] <Floker> (actually, the support is poor)
[07:53] <kkathman> Object Pascal...nice :)
[07:54] <kkathman> I can remember those days a bit..long since gone tho
[07:54] <kkathman> I dont know if you remember TurboPascal
[07:54] <Floker> yes i do =)
[07:54] <kkathman> that was such an easy to use environment :)
[07:54] <Floker> i programmed an IDE for Pascal
[07:54] <Floker> for windows
[07:54] <kkathman> kewl :)
[07:55] <kkathman> I date myself, obviously :)
[07:55] <Floker> kinda good, but my c++ skills are, well, not present =)
[07:55] <Floker> hehe
[07:55] <Floker> have a look: http://easypascal.ea.funpic.de
[07:55] <kkathman> ditto...I jumped aboard alot of the web stuff, and 4GLs 
[07:55] <Tm_T> kkathman: o/
[07:55] <Floker> thats the price of the freedom
[07:55] <kkathman> left those ASM, and procedural coding things behind
[07:56] <kkathman> HEY Tm_T  o/
[07:56] <Tm_T> kkathman: good to see you
[07:56] <Floker> i want to learn c++, and i want to use the kde framework - because it rocks
[07:57] <kkathman> Floker: last big thing I did in Assembler was some feature illustrators for that old Tandy Radio Shack PC they had...TRS80 I think
[07:57] <Tm_T> Floker: I try, rocky start but I will learn :p
[07:57] <Floker> but its kinda hard to re-learn 4 years of Delphi programming in c++
[07:57] <kkathman> yah I can imagine
[07:57] <Floker> :)
[07:57] <kkathman> Tm_T: great to see you too, how are things today?
[07:57] <Tm_T> kkathman: pretty well, you?
[07:58] <Floker> i'd like to program now... i have to learn. start from the beginning
[07:58] <Floker> first of all i will order the infrared thing
[07:58] <giovanni> alguien habla espaol?
[07:58] <kkathman> Tm_T: Not bad...almost the weekend :)
[07:58] <Floker> no giovanni =) 
[07:58] <kkathman> Floker: programming isnt a good future here in the US Im afraid
[07:59] <Floker> why?
[07:59] <Tm_T> giovanni: hobla englese ese
[07:59] <kkathman> or actually in any industrialized country 
[07:59] <giovanni> my english in bad
[07:59] <kkathman> Floker: Because most programming jobs I think are destined to be outsourced to other countries
[07:59] <Floker> to germany =) (where i live currently)
[07:59] <Tm_T> giovanni: we all are in the very same ship, so go ahead ;)
[08:00] <kkathman> why pay $40/hour to a progammer here in the US when you can get the same done in India for $8 or $10
[08:00] <Floker> getting a programmer-job here is kinda easy
[08:00] <kkathman> oh sure its easy to get one...because there's a glut
[08:00] <Floker> whats a 'glut'?
[08:00] <kkathman> but I'd hate to make a long term career out of it
[08:00] <kkathman> glut - way too many people
[08:01] <kkathman> high supply = lower wage
[08:01] <Floker> ah, not it makes sense =)
[08:01] <Floker> i am not that far, i have to make - or i want to make - something which is called "abitur"
[08:02] <Floker> you stay in school for three more years, then you are allowed to go to the university
[08:02] <kkathman> if someone is looking for computing careers they need to aim toward network and security areas
[08:02] <kkathman> Floker: Ahh I am somewhat familiar with the concept
[08:02] <Floker> thats what i want to do, something with network-securtiy
[08:02] <kkathman> good choice
[08:02] <Floker> i dont know how that works in the us
[08:03] <kkathman> Floker: in the US, basically, you complete 12 years of public education and then take one of a couple of standardized tests
[08:03] <Floker> those multiple-choice-tests?
[08:03] <Floker> german teachers laugh for them
[08:04] <kkathman> Floker: your cumulative performance in school (your grades) plus your results on the test, serve as basic for admission into a university
[08:04] <kkathman> Floker: its not all multiple choice..there is writing and math
[08:04] <Floker> way different =)
[08:04] <nalioth> education in the US is XXXX <<bad word
[08:04] <Floker> yes i heard, my ex-girlfriend was over there for 1/2year
[08:04] <Floker> hehe
[08:05] <kkathman> nalioth you live in the US?
[08:05] <nalioth> ja, si, oui, da, yes
[08:05] <Floker> in germany, you can quit school after the 9th grade - but only if you had to repeat once, because you have to go to school for 10 years
[08:05] <Floker> or you quit after the 10th grade 
[08:05] <kkathman> Floker: yes, I think theres a similar plan in England also
[08:06] <Floker> thats right
[08:06] <Floker> you can get different ratings
[08:06] <nalioth> i'm ashamed of the education the US provides
[08:06] <kkathman> I wish that we could offer a similar approach, at least optionally
[08:06] <kkathman> but afraid that would be politically incorrect
[08:06] <Floker> do you have computing at school?
[08:07] <Floker> (we have, but its junk)
[08:07] <kkathman> nalioth: well, I dont think that your general statement is true, but I understand your sentiment
[08:07] <kkathman> Floker: sure..at our schools we start computing with kids in Kindergarten
[08:07] <Floker> cool
[08:07] <kkathman> but thats our school district
[08:07] <Floker> you know, kindergarten is a german word?
[08:08] <kkathman> each school district is different
[08:08] <Floker> you have stolen it =)
[08:08] <kkathman> kinder - child and garten = something else :)
[08:08] <kkathman> I forget :)
[08:08] <Floker> same here, but now the government has changed and they will unify the school districs
[08:08] <Floker> kind = child (kinder = children); and garten = garden ;)
[08:09] <kkathman> where I live, they have what is called a "Robin Hood" plan which basically takes tax revenue from so-called "rich" school districts, and then gives it to "poor" school districts
[08:09] <kkathman> the net result is to make all districts mediocre
[08:09] <kkathman> which is a very crappy way of doing it
[08:09] <nalioth> kkathman: you in Texas?
[08:10] <Floker> sounds kinda despaired
[08:10] <kkathman> nalioth: yes my wife is a teacher
[08:10] <kkathman> and I dont disagree with you at all
[08:10] <Floker> my teachers are teachers
[08:10] <nalioth> imagine that...two texans in the same room
[08:10] <kkathman> lol
[08:10] <Floker> :)
[08:10] <Floker> Cowboys
[08:10] <kkathman> the kind of crap my wife has to deal with is shocking
[08:10] <mornfall> Riddell: *poke*
[08:11] <kkathman> teachers in her district literally cant get fired unless they molest a child
[08:11] <Floker> woh, damn
[08:11] <kkathman> because of the unions
[08:12] <Floker> is it that bad, i mean, the kids' education, respect and kindness and stuff?
[08:12] <kkathman> if they did the things they did in a corporate environment, they would be fired in a second
[08:12] <Floker> thank god i dont have to work (yet) 
[08:12] <kkathman> Floker: I'd say this...education in the US is not a problem because of teachers, really, with exceptions...
[08:13] <nalioth> Floker: ist gut mehr im deutchland
[08:13] <Floker> lol =)
[08:13] <kkathman> It is a problem with the home environments and the state school boards that are academics and politicians
[08:14] <kkathman> there are GOOD schools, and GOOD teachers in many districts
[08:14] <Floker> like here
[08:14] <nalioth> kkathman: but the state doesnt let them teach
[08:14] <Floker> but the good schools are the majority
[08:14] <kkathman> but they are many time restricted by the state
[08:14] <kkathman> yes nalioth 
[08:15] <Floker> the problems of germany go way more far (i am unsure if this sentence is correct)
[08:15] <Floker> lol =)
[08:15] <Floker> germany has got 12% unemployed
[08:15] <kkathman> Good example:  There is a young boy in one of my wife's classes...he has autism and cannot behave. Screams...lies on the floor and kicks..(5th grader), threatens to kill other kids and the teacher
[08:15] <Floker> and he goes to a PUBLIC SCHOOL?
[08:16] <kkathman> yet there is NOTHING they can do about it...by state law, he MUST be mainstreamed (placed in the same class as his peers)
[08:16] <kkathman> and thats as a result of a Federal act called "No Child Left Behind"
[08:16] <kkathman> even though the psychologists say that it damages the child and the others in the classroom!!
[08:16] <Floker> he would have to go to an E-School (for children with educational difficulties)
[08:17] <Floker> what kind of act is this, i mean, do they (the administration) actually care about the children?
[08:17] <Leshrac> I doubt it
[08:17] <kkathman> Floker: well if he was "normal" and acted up, he would go to another school, but only after 3 reported incidents, a conclave of teachers, counselors and doctors, and finally if the parents say so
[08:18] <Leshrac> no one cares about anything, that's the spirit of humanity
[08:18] <kkathman> its silly and goes against common sense
[08:18] <kkathman> but
[08:18] <Floker> sounds bad and sad
[08:18] <pussfeller> another scnario is where they refuse to "mainstream" kids with difficulties becuase they get more money per special student
[08:18] <kkathman> the "Act" had a spirit of improving education, but as usual, got politically corrupted
[08:19] <kkathman> nalioth: Im still hoping for the day when Texas can secede from the Union finally and be done with it :)
[08:19] <kkathman> Then we can get back to normal :)
[08:19] <kkathman> pussfeller: correct on that
[08:19] <Floker> we have an act in germany, which reforms the unemployment-law. its called "hartz4" (invented by dr. hartz - ceo of VW or smt)
[08:19] <nalioth> kkathman: one of those damned presidents threw a wrench into that, but it's a nice thought
[08:19] <kkathman> and here's the fun part...its impossible to fail a child anymore
[08:20] <kkathman> you can "hold him back" ONCE
[08:20] <Floker> that means if you are workless, you gett a few bucks and you have to work for 1? per hour, until you find work
[08:20] <kkathman> but thats it
[08:20] <Floker> i mean you _have to_ work for 1?/h
[08:20] <kkathman> so you just have these kids that dont care, and know that they
[08:20] <pussfeller> i thot about being a teacher under this new lateral entry program they have
[08:20] <kkathman> will pass anyway
[08:20] <pussfeller> but i dont know if i could last, cause i would pass very few of the kids
[08:21] <kkathman> they go on through...then fail their tests at the end and end up working at McDonalds uttering meaniful phrases such as "You want fries wit dat?
[08:21] <Floker> omg
[08:21] <Floker> at least they have work
[08:21] <pussfeller> heh
[08:21] <Floker> you got barely a wellfare over there right?
[08:22] <kkathman> fortunately, we live in a district that has a 98% graduation rate, and of those over 80% apply to college and get accepted
[08:22] <pussfeller> we have way too much welfare here
[08:22] <Floker> thats what we call "klassenkampf" (the battle of the classes)
[08:22] <kkathman> so there ARE exemplary school districts, but they are just the correct mix of having decent teachers, higher income, EDUCATED families
[08:23] <Floker> so you live somewhere, and - by chance - you get a good education..
[08:23] <kkathman> Floker: well, you live somewhere you can afford
[08:23] <Floker> this is quite different from the "amercan dream"
[08:23] <pussfeller> nah, its more like, if your parents are motivated for you, you will get an education regardless of where you are
[08:23] <kkathman> the more affluent can afford to live in the better districts perhaps
[08:23] <kkathman> pussfeller: thats true also
[08:23] <pussfeller> but some places are obviously better than others
[08:24] <spiral> hi
[08:24] <kkathman> its really is a function of education and desire of the parents
[08:24] <kkathman> if the parents have the attitude that they want something BETTER for their kids, even if they arent majorly educated, that makes a HUGE difference
[08:25] <pussfeller> its so funny how homeschoolers and private schools can deliver so much better results while spending way less per child
[08:25] <kkathman> but some parents just dont want that for their kids...and THATS sad
[08:25] <Floker> in ger. the teachers of elementary school decide about your further career (if you go to the "hauptschule" (worse) "gesamtschule" (good) or the Gymnasium (even better))
[08:25] <othernoob> and they send the message that they hate their life kkathman ...
[08:25] <kkathman> othernoob: or worse, which is the message that says "Its NOT your fault...its the system"
[08:25] <othernoob> in regards to your "better for the kids" statement...
[08:25] <kkathman> no personal responsibility
[08:25] <Floker> omg. i think school should be fun
[08:25] <pussfeller> in america, theres unfortunately a willfully ignorant underclass that despises learning
[08:26] <Floker> i have an ot-question
[08:26] <pussfeller> and they reproduce at a higher rate than most :(
[08:26] <othernoob> Floker: so should life..but heh..
[08:26] <kkathman> pussfeller: very true and a good point...and it crosses all genders and ethnic backgrounds
[08:26] <othernoob> pussfeller: you think that that's only the case in america?
[08:27] <Floker> how do i pronounce geek? like Jeek or with an hard g?
[08:27] <kkathman> hard G
[08:27] <othernoob> with a g
[08:27] <pussfeller> othernoob: i doubt it
[08:27] <kkathman> as in GO
[08:27] <Floker> lol, so i mispronounced it my whole life 
[08:27] <pussfeller> its a symptom of the global welfare states
[08:27] <pussfeller> and of prosperity in general i guess
[08:28] <kkathman> pussfeller:  I think its prevalent in any society, but perhaps more openly noticed in the US
[08:29] <Floker> how much does a 1l milk cost? (answer like that: "9$ - Wisconsin, USA"
[08:29] <othernoob> Floker: what did you vote for? spd? cdu? fdp? grne? or even worse, linke?
[08:29] <kkathman> I cant believe, for instance, this doesnt exist en mass in China for instance
[08:29] <Floker> othernoob are you from germany?
[08:29] <Floker> i start
[08:29] <othernoob> trlich
[08:29] <pussfeller> i dont know,t he chinese as a nation seem pretty damn motivated
[08:29] <kkathman> pussfeller: true, but are we seeing what they want us to see?
[08:29] <kkathman> I think so
[08:29] <Floker> 1$ - Germany (0.60?)
[08:29] <pussfeller> theres not a whole lot there to fall back on if you wont work
[08:30] <Floker> tell me =)
[08:30] <Floker> awe you buy milk in canisters rite?
[08:30] <gdh> Uh oh, politics 'discussion' detected.
[08:30] <pussfeller> and there are way less regulations that stand in the way of doing commerce than in the us or any of the so called capitalist countries
[08:30] <kkathman> pussfeller: its real easy to portray a peachy picture when the government censors everything you say and do :)
[08:31] <kkathman> pussfeller: my son had a Chinese business woman come to his graduate class in International Bussiness and proceede to tell them that China was a democracy and not what others say it is
[08:31] <pussfeller> its not all peachy for sure
[08:31] <kkathman> so, either she knows she's lying, or she's brainwashed as to what democracy is
[08:32] <Floker> at the us guys: a party with the same name as the party which reigns you exists in germany. they are called npd (national party of germany). They should be banned, but some nazis in the courts dont want that
[08:32] <pussfeller> but the fact is, communist china has more of a free market than the us
[08:32] <Floker> they are nazis down here
[08:32] <gdh> .. but hey there's lots of business to be done, so the west just pretends it's all rosy :)
[08:32] <othernoob> Floker: uhm, the npd isn't as bad as the appd..
[08:33] <Floker> the appd is lol, the npd is a bunch of stoopid idiots who should be fired (for real, with fire)
[08:33] <othernoob> Floker: besides that, banning a party just because you don't like it is indeed against the whole point of democracy...
[08:33] <Floker> i heard a lot of usa folks think that germany is a nazi countey
[08:33] <Floker> country
[08:33] <kkathman> pussfeller: hmm, well, in a way, but they of course dont have the regulations
[08:33] <kkathman> for instance, there is no patent law in China
[08:33] <pussfeller> most americans think they are freeer than people in china, cause they can call the govt bad names
[08:33] <Floker> othernoob: i thin the npd is not a democratic party
[08:34] <pussfeller> but they dont stop to think about how their economic life is almost as tightly regulated as the USSR was
[08:34] <othernoob> Floker: neither is the appd ;)
[08:34] <pussfeller> with a differnt set of elites, of course
[08:34] <kkathman> US manufacturers can go to China and manufacture their products, but China can literally take the design and reproduce it with the original company's name and not undergo any kind of patent retribution
[08:34] <pussfeller> thats a good thing!
[08:34] <kkathman> not if its inferior tho
[08:35] <kkathman> which many times it is
[08:35] <Floker> othernoob: why do you dislike the appd
[08:35] <Floker> ?
[08:35] <Floker> @all: the appd is an pogo-anarchist party
[08:35] <Floker>  #/s/^an/a
[08:35] <kkathman> I still think that companies should have SOME rights to patent protection if for only a short time.
[08:35] <pussfeller> well, that will never happen
[08:36] <Floker> like sony? they patented the transmitting of data into the human brain
[08:36] <othernoob> Floker: because they leech off of the welfare system, have you watched their tv-spot?
[08:36] <pussfeller> patents are fundimentally there so the elites can control innovation
[08:36] <Floker> yes, all of em, they are funny
[08:36] <brk3> hi, i just installed kubuntu but it keeps crashing completely when kde is starting up. i think its a 3d acceleration problem, how should i alter my xorg.conf file to disable it?
[08:36] <Floker> damn i laughed my ass of
[08:36] <othernoob> Floker: funny..or repulsive?
[08:36] <Floker> funny
[08:36] <Floker> =)
[08:36] <kkathman> pussfeller: well, I dont disagree with the thought, but think its a bit more complex that just stating something that parochial
[08:37] <Floker> they are not a threat or something, are they?
[08:37] <pussfeller> yes true
[08:37] <Floker> the npd is a bunch of idiots as i sayd
[08:37] <othernoob> Floker: they're not a threat because noone with a brain votes for them, but seeing that the youth of today lacks brains...
[08:37] <pussfeller> what ever face you put on it, in the end, thats what it is used for... to shake down and stifle competitors
[08:37] <Floker> lol
[08:38] <Floker> dont bother :)
[08:38] <pussfeller> whats npd, the anti immigration party?
[08:38] <Floker> yes
[08:38] <othernoob> Floker: i didn't say that the npd isn't dumb..but they're just as much of a fun party as the appd and neither of them are democratic..
[08:38] <Floker> like the republicans
[08:38] <Floker> well, almost =)
[08:38] <othernoob> Floker: the republicans are entirely different..
[08:38] <pussfeller> no, the republicans are NOT anti immigration
[08:38] <kkathman> pussfeller: I am absolutely for free trade ..that builds stronger economies, but I also think that if you and I build a nice widget, and we spent our hard earned cash to build it, we should enjoy some protection from say, General Electric, taking it and mass producing it when you and I mortgaged our house on the idea :)
[08:38] <othernoob> pussfeller: he meant the german party, Republikaner..
[08:38] <Floker> i know guys just wantet to make you shout at me
[08:39] <pussfeller> oh, sorry
[08:39] <brk3> hi, i just installed kubuntu but it keeps crashing completely when kde is starting up. i think its a 3d acceleration problem, how should i alter my xorg.conf file to disable it?
[08:39] <pussfeller> kkathman: you will find that very few innovators actually succeed in making any type of profit off it...
[08:40] <kkathman> so there is some validity to the idea that patent protection sparks innovation, by giving ANY person a chance to make it, but that wouldnt be the case if only huge companies had to do the innovating :)
[08:40] <Floker> linke
[08:40] <Floker> (a party here)
[08:41] <linke> what is the easiest-to-use ftp-server for kubuntu\linux?
[08:41] <kkathman> pussfeller: I'll concede that. But those that do...are those that really have something innovative :)
[08:41] <linke> Floker: whatP?
[08:41] <Floker> the linke is a german party
[08:41] <Floker> we talk about politics atm
[08:41] <othernoob> pussfeller: but either way, the german republicans aren't against immigration either, neither is the DVU, another rightwing party..whereas the npd is indeed against immigration..
[08:41] <Floker> i have to go
[08:41] <pussfeller> what i dont understand, is why an party would be pro-immigration, unless they thout they could get votes from the new immigrants
[08:41] <Floker> to have a party
[08:41] <kkathman> I need to cut out a few minutes to go repair my windows registry (of course)...be back in a few. :)
[08:41] <Floker> see you
[08:41] <pussfeller> chow chow
[08:41] <Floker> nice to talk with non-dumbs
[08:41] <Floker> jo
[08:42] <othernoob> pussfeller: yea well, let's just say one lost a war and needs to kiss ass now..
[08:42] <linke> the easiest ftp-server?
[08:42] <pussfeller> probably pure-ftpd
[08:42] <linke> is that on apt-get?
[08:43] <pussfeller> proftpd is good too but has an apache like config file, while pure is run via command line switches
[08:43] <pussfeller> but ya know, ftp really sucks and is insecure, you should find somesort of sftp perhaps
[08:43] <linke> sftp is?
[08:44] <nalioth> ssh + ftp
[08:44] <nalioth> or secure ftp
[08:44] <pussfeller> ftp sends u/p in plain text
[08:44] <dashrike> I have decided Russian sounds pretty
[08:45] <linke> okay, this will just be a server for a friend, to share some files with friends, would sftp be a choice then?
[08:45] <pussfeller> da
[08:45] <othernoob> dashrike: found a girl? ;)
[08:45] <dashrike> just re-listening to old music
[08:45] <dashrike> t.A.T.u. specifically
[08:45] <pussfeller> linke for that you might just use the kde filesharing applet
[08:45] <othernoob> oh yeah, the lesbos :D
[08:46] <linke> will that work for windows computers as well?
[08:46] <dashrike> pretty good music
[08:46] <pussfeller> yeah it just opens up a mini webserver to share a directory
[08:46] <nalioth> linke: windows puters have sftp clients for them, yes
[08:46] <linke> so if I want to start a kde-fileserver, how would I acess that from a windows computer?
[08:47] <pussfeller> just open the url in a webbrowser
[08:47] <linke> and if I want to upload files to it from windows?
[08:48] <pussfeller> well that wont work
[08:48] <pussfeller> it just serves files
[08:49] <nalioth> linke: you want a ftpserver
[08:49] <gdh> 'winscp' is a nice sftp  client for windows
[08:49] <gdh> does both the 'norton commander' style and the 'windows explorer' style
[08:50] <linke> pussfeller and gdh: I have pure-ftpd, where is the config-file?
[08:50] <pussfeller> thers no config file
[08:50] <pussfeller> command line switches
[08:51] <pussfeller> and a few ancillary cli coommands for adding users and such
[08:51] <linke> so if I want to start the server, only allowing username 123 with password 456, how would I do? didn't find that at the swtiches
[08:51] <linke> aah
[08:51] <linke> so..pure-ftpd-adduser or something?
[08:52] <pussfeller> yeah, i would read the man pages or the docs
[08:52] <linke> man pure-ftpd? I'll try
[08:52] <pussfeller> or go to the sitre and read teh faqs
[08:52] <linke> I am
[08:52] <linke> thanks
[08:53] <pussfeller> is ther an sftp server for windows?
[08:54] <linke> seems as if /etc/passwd is used for pure-ftpd too, I've added a user there. but where do I specificy password?
[08:55] <pussfeller> i dont know its been years since i used it
[08:56] <pussfeller> oh passwd user if its a linux user
[08:56] <pussfeller> and make sure you change the shell to /bin/false if you dont want them logging into your system
[08:56] <xxtreme> anyone know good repositories for breezy, where to get them
[08:58] <linke> anyone knows how I define password for a ftpuser in /etc/passwd
[08:59] <linke> please type my name, because I'm watching tv, and only read if anyone types my name, and every now and then
[09:05] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:06] <inc|freaky> linke: well, u usually add ftp-users using adduser --shell /bin/false to diable login. so to change a ftp-users password do passwd -u user (i guess)
[09:06] <inc|freaky> hallo :)
[09:09] <blackflag> Does someone know a good ftp-client? It should support sftp with TLS1
[09:12] <nalioth> blackflag: have you looked at gftp?
[09:16] <_ethan> can anyone help me with getting my wlan to register with dhclient on boot 
[09:19] <pussfeller> konqueror works very well as a client
[09:19] <linke> inc|freaky: so if I add a user there, then it will automaticly get ftp-acess, if I add it in the ftpacess file?
[09:20] <inc|freaky> every shell user has ftp access if you run a ftp daemon by default
[09:20] <linke> okay
[09:20] <linke> thanks
[09:20] <inc|freaky> np
[09:21] <inc|freaky> just give them the shell /bin/false to not allow them to login to a shell
[09:21] <zyn> hmmm... wow
[09:21] <inc|freaky> they cant change their passwd then you can try giving them passwd as shell but it didnt work for me (so they can change their pass when logging in using ssh)
[09:30] <Dark_Sith> hello people
[09:30] <inc|freaky> hello :D
[09:33] <_stefan> yow I've question
[09:34] <_stefan> I've installed gstreamer but can't hear any music 
[09:34] <_stefan> in amarok
[09:37] <Dark_Sith> you need gstreamer-mad
[09:38] <inc|freaky> _stefan: read in the wiki about restricted formats
[09:39] <inc|freaky> a wiki page called RestrictedFormats
[09:39] <_stefan> ok, thx
[09:42] <nalioth> _stefan: gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:52] <_stefan> nalioth gstreamer0.8-mad only or with gstream0.8-0
[09:52] <nalioth> _stefan: all of them wont hurt
[10:09] <linke> now I've set up a ftp server using pure-ftpd, and I can get to the point where the ftp client shows me as "connected, waiting for welcome-message", but then I get disconnected, even though I have the correct password
[10:09] <linke> any help?
[10:20] <_stefan> bedankt!!
[10:21] <_stefan> thx i mean
[10:21] <_stefan> gstreamer0.8-plugins was the answer
[10:21] <_stefan> ciao
[10:46] <stupendo4> has anyone here had experience with vmware tools?
[10:46] <seaLne> not recently
[10:46] <stupendo4> I'm trying to install it on kubuntu. It's stopping at the prompt where it asked for the directory of c header files
[10:47] <stupendo4> I point it to /usr/src/linux/include
[10:47] <stupendo4> and it says that the directory doesn't contain either linux, asm, or net
[10:47] <stupendo4> but it does
[10:48] <seaLne> strange
[10:48] <seaLne> this for compiling the modules?
[10:49] <stupendo4> yeah
[10:49] <stupendo4> I saw on one bb somebody said run "make dep" in /usr/src/linux, but there's no makefile
[10:50] <seaLne> you installed the kernel source?
[10:50] <stupendo4> yup
[10:51] <stupendo4> before it was saying I had the wrong version
[10:51] <seaLne> of the kernel?
[10:51] <stupendo4> so I got the right version and now this
[10:51] <stupendo4> yup
[10:51] <stupendo4> 2.6.12-9-386
[10:51] <seaLne> sorry it just worked for me the last time i tried but that was a couple of years ago
[10:51] <stupendo4> breezy preview
[10:52] <blackflag> hello all :-)
[10:52] <stupendo4> hello
[10:52] <blackflag> does someone know how I can watch commercial  DVD-movies?
[10:53] <stupendo4> I think you need dvdcss
[10:53] <blackflag> Which player is good
[10:53] <blackflag> there are *.vob -files on DVD
[10:53] <orace|> I like kaffeine
[10:53] <stupendo4> I used to use totem, but other people don't like it. I think the favorite is xine
[10:53] <blackflag> but kaffeine dont play the commercoal dvd I have
[10:54] <blackflag> but zhis players dont play *.vob files
[10:54] <blackflag> or?
[10:55] <blackflag> I tried it and had no luck wiht that players
[10:55] <stupendo4> kmplayer?
[10:55] <seaLne> wxvlc?
[10:55] <stupendo4> or maybe it's kplayer...
[10:55] <seaLne> stupendo4: they are different
[10:55] <stupendo4> oh
[10:55] <blackflag> I have wxvlc installed but the characters are so small that I cant configure anything
[10:56] <obontu> can someone please gimme his repositories list?
[10:56] <obontu> i tried a few i found on the net
[10:56] <obontu> but i get errors on each of them
[10:56] <obontu> i'm trying to install avidemux2 but i can't seem to find it on synaptic
[10:57] <seaLne> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[10:57] <obontu> i'm not uisng breezy, i'm using hoary
[10:58] <seaLne> s/breezy/hoary/
[10:58] <obontu> sorry i don't understand
[10:59] <seaLne> replace breezy with hoary in the line then
[10:59] <obontu> ok
[11:00] <obontu> i still don't understand 
[11:00] <obontu> is there an example somewhere?
[11:00] <seaLne> 21:56 < obontu> can someone please gimme his repositories list?
[11:01] <seaLne> 21:57 < seaLne> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[11:01] <obontu> i meant, the actual file
[11:01] <seaLne> just edit it
[11:01] <stupendo4> sources.list
[11:01] <obontu> i know
[11:02] <obontu> ah got it thanx
[11:03] <obontu> i still don't see avidemux in it
[11:03] <obontu> it used to be there
[11:04] <johan> I have a problem, probloby a quick one. Rearranged my kde panels, and now I can't move anything more to the left than maybe 80%, when i try to move the kde-start-button, I can't get it past 80% to the left
[11:06] <arthurb> saw your screen, problem fixed
[11:06] <johan> and when I place my panel to the left or right, I can't see any objects. arthurb: haha
[11:07] <johan> any way to reset all panel changes or something like that?
[11:11] <stupendo4> ...
[11:12] <stupendo4> did you try restarting kde?
[11:13] <johan> ctrl-alt-backspace?
[11:13] <stupendo4> after you log out, I think
[11:13] <johan> I will intsall kde beta 3.5.1 or whatever it is called now, see if that fixes it, I was still thinking of doing that
[11:14] <johan> I've added the respository, is the kde beta still called just "kde"?
[11:14] <apokryphos> what's the problem?
[11:14] <johan> that I can't move anything more than 80% left, on the panels
[11:15] <apokryphos> kicker?
[11:15] <johan> yeah, if that is what the panels are made of
[11:15] <apokryphos> kicker is the kde panel
[11:15] <johan> okay, then that is it
[11:16] <johan> you think a upgrade to kde 3.5 beta will solve it? I was still thinking of it
[11:16] <apokryphos> if you can't move things more than 80% a certain way.. are you sure you haven't configured it to take up only 80%?
[11:16] <apokryphos> I wouldn't think it was a bug..
[11:16] <johan> I've tried everything from 1-100%, and both checked and unchecked the extend thing
[11:17] <stupendo4> is it filling the wholw space at the bottom?
[11:17] <XHK> I dont have sounds in kde
[11:17] <johan> if I want it to, hes
[11:17] <apokryphos> johan: have you tried restarting kicker after you resized it?
[11:17] <apokryphos> johan: and what things are you trying to move?
[11:17] <johan> how do I do that? as in regular ubuntu? ctrl-alt-backspace
[11:18] <apokryphos> johan: nope; dcop kicker kicker restart
[11:18] <johan> I've tried kde-menu, some shortcuys, xeyes, and some think
[11:18] <johan> okay, wish me luck
[11:18] <apokryphos> johan: try pressing alt+mousedrag
[11:18] <johan> that solved it :)
[11:18] <apokryphos> ah
[11:18] <johan> dcop think solved it, what does it do? restart the process?
[11:18] <seaLne> it talks to kicker and tells it to restart
[11:19] <johan> okay
[11:19] <johan> thanks everybody involved
[11:19] <apokryphos> DCOP is just a desktop communication protocol (unbelievably useful to programmers, and many configuring users :P)
[11:19] <johan> it seems as if bugfree software is never bugfree to me
[11:19] <johan> I always do something
[11:20] <stupendo4> I'm trying to install vmware tools on kubuntu. It's stopping at the prompt where it asked for the directory of c header files
[11:20] <stupendo4> I point it to /usr/src/linux/include
[11:20] <slow-motion> n8
[11:20] <stupendo4> and it says that the directory doesn't contain either linux, asm, or net. But I know that it does
[11:22] <stupendo4> apokryphos, you think you could help me?
[11:22] <XHK> Why i dont have sounds in kde =(
[11:22] <stupendo4> XHK also needs help with sound
[11:22] <apokryphos> stupendo4: nope, sorry
[11:22] <stupendo4> ok, thx anyways
[11:43] <yuxel> hi, i've searched at ubuntuforums but can't find a prorper solution for altgr issue on breezy, any suggestion here ?
[11:47] <yuxel> weird, its fixed now :) thanks alot
[11:59] <blackflag> hello all :-)
[11:59] <blackflag> I need repositorys for debian
[12:00] <blackflag> Is there a way to do this automatic?
[12:00] <blackflag> I searched for a example sources.list for debian but cant find anyhing
[12:00] <apokryphos> blackflag: you shouldn't use them, the systems are too dissimillar etc etc
[12:01] <blackflag> I dont wnat the list form ubuntu. I need it for debain
[12:01] <apokryphos> so what are you doing in here? :)
[12:01] <blackflag> cause I want to install libdvdcss2
[12:01] <apokryphos> for ubuntu?
[12:02] <blackflag> and it tells me it is reffered by another package
[12:02] <blackflag> no, for debian
[12:02] <apokryphos> so again, what are you doing in here?
[12:02] <blackflag> but also for ubuntu
[12:02] <blackflag> I wnat to install vlc
[12:02] <apokryphos> so you *do* want the list for Ubuntu