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lllmanulllHey there, I thought I'd post a small message : I thought of starting an "ubuntu|cities" series of wallpapers, and have made a try at making three of them :12:41
lllmanulllubuntu|paris12:41
lllmanulllubuntu|venezia12:42
lllmanulllubuntu|praha12:42
lllmanulllThey're all available here :12:42
lllmanulllhttp://www.manucornet.net/GNOME/wallpapers/12:42
lllmanulllHope other people can contribute with, for instance, their home city :)12:42
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klepasAnyone awake?02:12
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klepas...03:32
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klepasStill here.05:02
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nicholaspaulI come with messages.05:25
nicholaspaulVolvoguy is dead/dying/crying/staring at the wall 05:26
nicholaspaulBut do not fear, he'll be back in 24hrs05:26
nicholaspaulklepas|Zzz can you grab the notes? 05:27
klepas|Zzzwaking me up..05:29
klepas|Zzzwhat's up?05:29
klepas|Zzznicholaspaul: what's up?05:31
nicholaspaulwant a coffee? 05:31
nicholaspaulVolvoguy just told me to ask you to grab the notes.... 05:31
klepas|Zzzmaybe later05:31
klepas|Zzzyep, got them05:31
nicholaspaulphew. My job is done05:31
nicholaspaulwell, kind of. Once i fix my hard drive.........05:32
klepas|Zzzthe notes he mailed as an attachment on the ML05:32
nicholaspaulaaahhh yes i have those. 05:32
klepas|Zzzsame05:32
klepas|Zzzso, what about them?05:32
nicholaspauli dunno. thats all V'guy wanted . He said you would know. :S05:33
klepas|Zzzalrighty05:33
klepas|Zzzi think i know05:33
nicholaspaulhey do you know anything about mounting hard drives? 05:33
klepas|Zzzyea?05:33
klepas|Zzzmount05:34
klepas|Zzz$ mount device_name05:34
nicholaspauli put an HFS+ disk in, did fdisk, mkfs and edited fstab. 05:35
nicholaspaulbut it looks like the disk is the same size as the other hard drive. 05:35
klepas|Zzzis it supposed to?05:35
klepas|Zzz[same size] 05:35
nicholaspaulno, the master is 6Gb, the slave is 20Gb.05:36
klepas|Zzzalrighty05:36
klepas|Zzz$ less /etc/fstab05:36
klepas|Zzzwhat have you got there?05:36
nicholaspaulmy CDROM's mount to /media/____ so i made the  slave hdd mount to /media/rothko 05:37
nicholaspaullemme see....05:37
nicholaspaul# /etc/fstab: static file system information.05:37
nicholaspaul#05:37
nicholaspaul# <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>05:37
nicholaspaulproc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       005:37
nicholaspaul/dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       105:37
nicholaspaul/dev/hda5       none            swap    sw              0       005:38
nicholaspaul/dev/hdb        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       005:38
nicholaspaul/dev/hdc        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       005:38
nicholaspaul/dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       005:38
nicholaspaul/dev/hdd3       /media/rothko   ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       105:38
klepas|Zzzalright05:38
klepas|Zzznow to mount that drive05:38
klepas|Zzz# mount /media/rothko05:38
nicholaspauli used 'sudo mount'...  05:39
nicholaspaulspecial device /dev/hdd3 does not exist05:39
klepas|Zzzsure05:39
klepas|Zzzmmh05:40
klepas|Zzzmy dad would know05:40
klepas|Zzzbut he's out05:40
klepas|Zzztry #ubuntu05:40
klepas|Zzzi'm going to go back to sleep for an hour or so longer05:41
klepas|Zzzand then check new submissions @ art.ubuntu.com05:41
klepas|Zzzsee you around05:41
nicholaspauloh ok, i'll do that. thx klepas05:41
nicholaspauloh yes, i have a couple there... 05:41
klepas|Zzzno worries05:41
nicholaspaulyou bet - see ya :)05:41
klepas|Zzz:o)05:41
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-artwork:kamstrup] : Wrap up for Breezy and get a coherent development framework ready early in the Dapper cycle
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klepasHi kamstrup09:16
kamstruphi klepas 09:18
klepasjust woke up from a nap :)09:20
kamstrupI had an insane idea last night...09:22
klepasyou going to share?09:22
kamstrupI emphasize that it might be _insane_ ;-P09:22
klepasdoesn't matter09:23
kamstrupWould it be possible to add a new image "format", where images where actually small libs drawing gdk pixbufs using cairo?09:23
kamstrupI'm just browsing around in the source of libgdk_pixbuf and it seems it would be possible in theory09:24
klepasno idea09:24
kamstrupIt would allow for some seriously cool stuff.09:25
klepasI actually use Suse and hacked KDE09:25
klepas:-P09:25
klepasMostly09:25
klepasmy GNOME lib knowledge is, well, low09:25
kamstrupBut also open up for some serious security issues... Images being libraries actually executing code... :-S09:25
klepasyep09:25
kamstruphehe... I'm also inquiring #gtk atm... :-D09:26
klepas:-)09:26
klepasany luck09:31
kamstrupNo replies yet. Trying bot #gtk and #gnome-love...09:32
kamstrupThere's some basic stuff I need to be clear on before I waste any time on this...09:33
kamstrupI don't dare mention to them what my true intentions is, so I'm asking genric type of questions about gdk-pixpufs09:34
kamstrup:-D09:34
klepasrof rof!09:39
klepasI love pngcrush09:46
klepasjust adding wallpapers from the submission list om AUC.09:46
klepasresized the file size of a wallpaper from 323 Kb down to23609:47
klepas:)09:47
klepasstill on?09:58
kamstrupyea a little... :)10:09
klepasseen KDE 3.5 screenshots yet?10:11
kamstrupno10:13
klepashttp://www.kde-look.org/content/pre1/29658-1.jpg10:14
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kamstrupwow10:14
kamstrupis that the default layout?10:15
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klepasI'm not sure.10:19
klepasHi Andy!10:19
AndyFitzg'day klepas10:19
klepasJust like to say well done on the Etiquette icons :)10:19
AndyFitzdoing an emergency revision of ubuntu-title.ttf 10:19
klepasrevision?10:20
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AndyFitzthanks mate.  10:21
klepasYou live in Brisbane I hear, no?10:22
kamstrupGotta go. Cheers!10:23
AndyFitzyep I'm here in brisbane au10:24
klepasCanberra.10:24
AndyFitzhttp://lugvegas.org/sneakpeak.svgz  10:24
AndyFitzfor anyone interested in etiquette ;)10:24
klepasack10:25
klepasbinary10:26
AndyFitzhavent got gzip installed ?10:26
klepasyea10:26
klepasdo10:26
klepasjust Konqueror is a bit wacky with binaries10:26
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klepasgot it10:27
klepasvery trendy :)10:27
klepasI might blog this10:28
klepas:)10:28
AndyFitznot yet 10:29
klepasalright10:29
klepassneakpeak, eh? :-P10:29
AndyFitzsneakpeak leak10:29
klepas:)10:29
klepashow is the icon set going, btw?10:29
klepasart deadline being yesterday?10:30
klepas(not that it matters, Dapper will be the big challenge)10:30
AndyFitzgood and bad.  I've determined a way to assist controlled rebranding of it.  the xml is very clean for each svg file.10:30
klepasCool10:31
AndyFitzall using the same minimal style information per xml. :)   so hopefully palette shadow weight, line thickness and gradients can  all be changed with simple text-replace commands.10:32
klepasuseful10:33
klepashey, i've been wondering10:33
klepasand since I think your Inkscaping skills are somewhat ahead of mine10:33
klepasI did a wallpaper in inkscape10:34
klepasand used a lot of gradients10:34
klepasthe gradients were pulled quite long10:34
klepasthey exceed the corresponding object's edges10:34
AndyFitzso you got very visible colours ?10:35
klepasyea10:35
klepasbut the problem is10:35
AndyFitzin the gradient.  all the steps were massive yeah ?10:35
klepaswhen i resize my wallpaper - like select all the objects, group them10:35
klepaskeep the resize ration the same10:35
klepasand then make it bigger10:35
klepasthe gradients get borked10:36
AndyFitzsee the gradient icon in the top right toolbar ?10:36
klepasbecause the gradient lengths/lines do not enlarge/expand with the rest of the image10:36
klepashold on, i'll open10:36
AndyFitzis that selected ?  if not then thats your issue mate10:36
klepas:)10:36
klepasthankyou!!!!!10:37
AndyFitzalso to fix that buggered gradient step visibility you are going to have to dither  your image somehow after its been made raster ( download cinepaind and select your gradient areas and appy a gausian blur10:37
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klepasi will10:38
klepasthank you very, very much for that!10:38
AndyFitzno worries mate.10:38
klepasmeans i can make my wallpaper larger than 1024x76810:38
klepasand even completely SVG10:38
klepashttp://wombat.nuxified.com/node/6510:39
klepasThat is where I had my problem10:39
klepasNow i can update it and make it fit the rules to be an official Ubuntu wallpaper10:40
AndyFitzsweet.  thanks10:41
klepasalmost done10:47
klepasmaking it 100% svg10:47
klepassvgz is an SVG compressed?10:47
AndyFitzyep but don't rely on it unless your svg is quite large10:54
AndyFitznot everyone has gzip ( windows  inkscape users )10:54
klepasyep11:05
klepasmmhh11:05
klepasstill having some problem with this bugger now11:05
klepaswould it be alright if i let you have a little look at her and see if you can fix her up?11:05
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klepasAndy?11:12
klepasi've got dinner11:15
klepasi'll send it to you afterwards11:15
klepasif i can get your email or something11:15
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AndyFitzandy@lugvegas.org11:25
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klepasback and sent11:56
klepasAndyFitz: you have mail12:23
klepas:)12:23
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klepasBack for more I see, eh? :-)12:56
kamstrupyeah. -can't get enough01:01
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klepasLOl.01:13
klepasAndy helped me out.01:13
klepasI got to fix that Basse wallpaper01:13
klepasit's not at a 1600x120001:13
klepas:)01:13
AndyFitz?01:19
AndyFitzexport it to that res mate01:19
klepaswhat now?01:19
AndyFitzmore importantly .  if you havent seen the serenity movie do so !01:19
klepasI just received your email01:19
klepashold on - too much at once01:20
klepasbasse3 is a bit different01:20
klepasblack?01:20
AndyFitzno open it in inkscape01:20
klepasbackground.01:20
AndyFitzrsvg bug.  never mind that svg file it was just for fun01:20
AndyFitzthe png is attached01:20
AndyFitzat 1600x1200 for you01:20
klepas*looks*01:20
klepasstrange01:21
klepasmy version of inkscape renders the bar black01:21
klepasand the ubuntu lozenge black01:21
klepaswith the logo and text only white01:21
klepas:(01:21
AndyFitzignore that file klepas :-)01:21
klepasalright01:22
AndyFitzthe png is also attached to that email.  base2.svg01:22
klepasyep01:22
klepasthat looks good01:22
klepasmy version of inkscape displays the SVG incorrectly, as does the wallpaper background manager for this version of KDE.01:22
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AndyFitzyeah never mind that image01:23
klepasokay01:23
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klepasAndy: how does the GNOME background wallpaper manager render that SVG?01:25
klepasCorrectly?01:25
ogra_klepas, why do you have a wombat on the site :) ? 01:25
klepason which site?01:26
ogra_on the Basse wallpaper site at gnome-look01:26
klepasbecause http://wombat.nuxified.com01:27
klepasis my site01:27
ogra_ah :)01:27
klepasmy favourite animal is a wombat - and that is my universal avatar01:27
klepas:)01:27
ogra_i was just wondering01:27
ogra_huge guinea pigs :)01:27
klepashehe01:27
klepasorga_: http://wombat.nuxified.com/node/46 - there you go :)01:30
ogra_yay01:38
ogra_sweet :)01:38
klepasI love the second shot01:39
klepasthese were made by one of my LUG friends whilst he was riding in rural ACT, Australia.01:40
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klepasahoy04:45
miketechhi04:49
klepaswhat's been doing?04:50
miketechleisure-time :)04:50
klepasAye, it's lovely. Holidays here for 2 weeksa04:51
miketechfor 2 weeks? wow04:51
klepasyea04:51
klepasschool holidays04:51
miketechah ok04:52
klepasLove them.04:52
klepasseen the next big thing in the linux world?04:54
miketech?04:54
miketechwhat do you mean?04:55
klepasthe next big technology04:55
klepas:-)04:55
klepasit's called 'klik'04:55
klepashttp://img324.imageshack.us/img324/2348/e170py.jpg04:55
klepashttp://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=1284104:55
miketechah yeah04:56
miketechheard about it04:56
miketechbut it's not a real new technology04:57
klepasYea, I suppose.04:57
klepasNevertheless, darn cool.04:57
miketechlooks simply like a protocol handler for konqueror, executing different packages04:57
miketechyeah the idea is nice04:58
miketechit's installing stuff with a browser04:58
klepasyup04:58
miketechbut if they do anything wrong it could be abused04:58
miketechinstalling software automatically on a website04:58
miketechand so on04:58
klepasyou mean making you execute klik://app ?05:00
klepaswhere app could be something malicious?05:00
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derek[] Hi05:01
miketechyup exactly05:02
derek[] I want to learn the reflections in irregular shapes. Any resource?05:02
derek[] (online)05:03
klepaswhat exactly do you mean derek?05:12
derek[] you know how the gradients are used in a circle to give it a glossy 3D look?05:13
derek[] now if I have an irregular shape.. where should the appropriate gradients be applied, is what I want to study05:13
klepasoh05:14
klepaswell use logic05:14
klepasfor example05:14
klepasfor a bubble05:14
klepasif the light comes from the top05:14
klepasjust copy the original layer, in say if you're using inkscape05:14
klepasand make it a wee bit smaller05:14
klepasand white05:14
klepasand add a gradient05:14
derek[] yes05:15
klepaswith the lightest part being closest to the top and fading out downwards05:15
klepasif the light is from the top05:15
derek[] (its not just one gradient used.. there will be several in an irregular shapes)05:16
klepasyes05:18
klepasnow05:18
klepaslets make our shape more complex05:18
klepastwo bubbles05:18
klepasbut they join05:18
klepasforming the outline of an 805:18
klepasjust use the gradient twice05:18
derek[] *wish we had a white board*05:19
klepasYea. :)05:19
klepasit also helps if you just take still-lifes of reflective objects05:19
derek[] :)05:19
klepasapply a light source and sketch05:19
klepasbasic stuff you learn in art classes is something i use today05:19
klepasit is so helpful05:19
klepas:)05:19
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klepasi'm doing my first art classes now too05:21
klepasjust grab a bunch of marbles05:21
klepasstick them together in something05:21
klepasapply a light source05:21
klepasand a dark background05:22
derek[] :D05:22
klepasand sketch05:22
klepasor, if you don't like sketching05:22
klepastake photographs05:22
derek[] yes, marbles are spheres though05:22
klepasand use this as a guide to all of your other work.05:22
klepaswell marbles are simple05:22
derek[] yes05:22
klepasit's usually a good idea to begin sketching easy things05:22
klepasmmhh.05:22
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derek[] :D05:23
klepasjust use a more complex, shinny object05:24
derek[] I will if I would find soe05:44
derek[] some05:44
klepasjust look around the house05:44
klepastable lamps, decorated glassware, earphones.05:45
derek[] earphones of glass?05:47
derek[] :)05:47
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derek[] anyway, I'll figure out something. Thanks! :)05:47
derek[] So what're you working on?05:47
klepasMe.05:50
klepasI am working on my Suse/Ubuntu box, right now blogging and learning about klik05:50
klepasI've done my art for the day.05:50
klepasWait, it's 2 AM.05:51
klepaswell I guess I'll wait till sometime after I've had a sleep. ;-)05:51
klepasOr do you mean my role in the art team?05:51
derek[] sorry, I get off the computer in between05:53
derek[] what is Klik?05:53
derek[] some KDE app I suppose05:53
derek[] related to digital photography?05:53
klepasno05:53
derek[] and yes, I meant what you were working on for Ubuntu05:54
klepasklik is an environment in which you can install apps, packages or whatever. For example, you want to try the bleeding edge of Inkscape, on your system without actually installing it, ruining dependencies, without access to root, without overwriting the stable copy of Inkscape.05:55
klepasThat's klik05:55
klepaswith a simple click on a website you could "copy-install" and run such an application05:56
klepasthis simple "installation" did not affect in any way the stability of your base system05:56
derek[] Interesting05:57
klepasOr you can run the latest official release of Krita, while at the same timeCan you imagine that you could run the latest official Krita release side by side with Boudewijn's code from last night, without the two versions interfering with each other?05:57
klepasack.05:57
klepasi meant to edit that05:57
derek[] :)05:57
klepasstupid keyboard. *ggg* :-)05:57
klepasit runs under KDE05:57
derek[] and what are you working on for Ubuntu-art?05:57
klepasKubuntu/Ubuntu might have shipped support for it in Dapper05:58
klepasfor Ubuntu-art.05:58
klepasWell I usually make a wallpaper once every 2 weeks05:58
klepasand other miscellany in between05:58
klepasand I help admin over at art.ubuntu.com05:59
klepasotherwise I just stick around the mailing list and IRC channel helping anyone out who wants help I guess. :-)05:59
klepasHow about yourself? :)06:03
derek[] sorry, I was away again06:03
derek[] hm06:03
derek[] I'm new here06:03
klepasWell then, welcome aboard. :)06:04
derek[] :)06:04
derek[] Thank you!06:04
derek[] and I'm learning.. and have to learn a lot06:04
derek[] Do you know of any good 2D animation app for linux , corresponding to Flash in windoze?06:06
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klepasSadly not, sorry06:10
klepastry the GAP package for The GIMP06:10
klepasanimation package for The GIMP06:11
klepashave yet to try it06:11
mpathyhi there.. 06:11
klepasMoin mpathy06:12
mpathysorry hadnt the time yesterday, and today again not to realize this mockup. can do it this weekend..?06:12
klepasWas ist die zeit in Deutschland momentan?06:12
mpathy18:1206:12
klepasKein problem :)06:12
mpathyIch bin IMMER noch in der Arbeit und muss nachher bei Bekannten vorbei :(06:12
derek[] Guten Abend mpathy 06:13
klepasHey, dieses ist ein hobbie. Kein problem. :-)06:13
derek[] klepas, ok. Yes, I've heard of GAP.06:13
klepashere are some examples of GAP work -- http://jimmac.musichall.cz/banners.php?banner=Ximian06:15
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mpathyklepas: But I WANTED IT :)06:15
derek[] klepas, do you speak German?06:15
klepasJa, ich bin Deutscher. Lebe seit 8 jahre hir in 'down under' - Canberra (hauptstadt) von Australien.06:16
derek[] "bin Deutscher" means you are German?06:17
derek[] and what is "Lebe"?06:17
klepasOh, sorry!06:17
klepasI am Germany, I reside in Canberra (the capital) of Australia since 8 years now.06:18
klepas*German06:18
klepas:-)06:18
ograklepas, warum canberra ? 06:18
ograerr, why canberra ?06:18
klepasLived in Sydney for a fair while beforehand06:18
klepaswas alright06:18
klepasbut too crowded06:19
ograyes, thats what i would choose ;)06:19
klepasmoved to Canberra because there were no good schools that taught mandarin (chinese)06:19
derek[] o.o06:19
klepasand we liked Canberra06:19
derek[] there were no such good schools in Canberra ?06:19
derek[] "we" = ?06:20
klepasin Sydney06:20
klepaswe being the family06:20
derek[] ok06:20
ograderek[] , ich lebe == i live06:20
derek[] so you're learning Chinese :)06:20
derek[] ogra, thanks06:20
ograas german in australia *g*06:21
derek[] ogra, Sie sind auch Deutcher?06:21
ograyup06:21
derek[] :)06:21
derek[] many Germans :)06:21
derek[] Ich lerne Deutsch06:21
klepasAnd here in Canberra I am 5 minutes away from a lake, 10 from a huge one and half a dozen boating clubs, 15 minutes away from the AIS (Australian Institute of Sport), 10 from the mall, 15 from the Australian National Uni, 10 from the Uni of Canberra...06:21
ograbut i live in germany and dont learn chinese :)06:21
klepas:)06:21
klepasOh, and there are street theatres and such very close by too. I like all that06:21
derek[] klepas, great location :)06:21
klepasIt is.06:21
derek[] ogra, :)06:22
derek[] klepas, I would like to be as fortunate as you =)06:22
klepashehe.06:22
klepasI am only living like this until I am 1806:22
derek[] I like this ximian site06:22
klepasthen I will need to look after myself06:22
derek[] its totally made with open source programs06:22
klepasderek: it is the site of Jimmac06:22
derek[] ah06:22
derek[] Wer ist er?06:23
klepasbig legend in the Ximian, GNOME and Novell community06:23
klepashas made over 5000 icons06:23
klepas80 splash screensa06:23
klepasand has shipped artwork in Ximian, GNOME and a variety of Novell products06:23
derek[] I see06:23
klepaslike I said - big legend :-P06:24
derek[] :)06:25
miketechach hier gibts noch mehr deutsche :)06:30
klepasNaja, shau mal da... :-)06:31
klepasMoin06:31
miketechservus :)06:31
klepasWie gehts?06:31
mpathyhey humanity to others, speak english *ggg*06:32
klepasOh, sorry06:32
klepas:)06:32
klepaswell very soon we'll have to speak Chinese or something06:32
mpathyhehe also ich geh dann mal vll. bis spter / I go now, perhaps until later..?06:33
mpathyhei!06:33
klepaswith the increasing number of Chinese...06:33
=== derek[] is away: I'm busy
klepasI'm out guys06:46
=== klepas needs some sleep
klepasHave a pleasant day.06:47
klepasAnd whoever sees volvoguy next, wish him the best of luck from me06:47
klepasOh, and before I forget, thanks AndyFitz!06:48
klepas:)06:48
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derek[] goodbye!11:07
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