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[07:45] <Burgundavia> jbailey, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=70266
[07:59] <ajmitch> the mysterious ubuntu-faqguide?
[07:59] <Burgundavia> no idea
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[08:40] <mdke> hi
[08:41] <ajmitch> hi mdke 
[08:41] <mdke> how are things?
[08:41] <ajmitch> good
[08:49] <mdke> rob^, no changing anything in the faqguide now ;)
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[08:53] <mdke> jbailey, you rock, thanks for doing all those translations
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[09:40] <jsgotangco> hi mdke 
[09:41] <mdke> hello mate
[09:42] <jsgotangco> i had a long chat with JaneW about this last night
[09:42] <mdke> ok i had a chat with mdz
[09:42] <mdke> he said that JaneW was confused
[09:42] <mdke> i don't know whether they are changing the doc or not!
[09:43] <mdke> you know what is going on?
[09:43] <jsgotangco> i have no idea either
[09:44] <jsgotangco> i'll be very very pissed if they changed the doc
[09:45] <mdke> me too
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[09:45] <mdke> i have busted my ass with the translations
[09:45] <jsgotangco> well yes
[09:45] <jsgotangco> and the translator's effort as well
[09:45] <jsgotangco> so i hope they won't change it
[09:45] <jsgotangco> and just plan ahead
[09:45] <mdke> me too
[09:46] <mdke> jbailey has also put in a lot of work
[09:46] <mdke> as from last night, the translations should be in breezy
[09:47] <jsgotangco> i wasn't able to stay long yesterday because my wife's uncle died and we had to go
[09:47] <mdke> ouch
[09:47] <mdke> sorry to hear that
[09:47] <jsgotangco> im actually away but i manage to find an open wifi router
[09:47] <jsgotangco> i'm actually almost near the roof at the moment
[09:47] <jsgotangco> hehe
[09:48] <jsgotangco> mdke, np mate, the guy was very very old and bedridden for the past months
[09:48] <mdke> ok
[09:50] <jsgotangco> mdke, these last minute changes only show how much planning are dedicated to docs by ubuntu itself :)
[09:53] <mdke> indeed
[09:53] <mdke> well to be fair, the whole distro has had last minute changes
[09:53] <jsgotangco> well yes of course
[09:54] <jsgotangco> we had a rough development cycle
[09:54] <jsgotangco> me and sean were talking about it 2 days ago over jabber
[09:54] <mdke> have you updated recently? I'm interested in knowing whether the translations are working
[09:55] <jsgotangco> im updating now
[09:55] <jsgotangco> i have a localised system at home and will try it when i get back
[09:56] <mdke> cool
[09:56] <mdke> ok i have to get to work
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[02:10] <jbailey> g'm
[02:12] <jjesse> good morning
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb
[02:13] <mdke> hey jbailey
[02:13] <mdke> jbailey, awesome work yesterday. Today brings a couple of bugs in ubuntu-docs
[02:13] <jbailey> mdke: I know about the entity errors.  Any others?
[02:14] <jbailey> I also still couldn't get pt to work right although pt_BR does.
[02:14] <mdke> jbailey, the other one I filed is the erroneous name for the faqguide
[02:14] <jbailey> Err.
[02:14] <jbailey> Did I get it wrong, or are you proposing a string change? =)
[02:15] <mdke> no, no
[02:15] <mdke> jbailey, the omf file
[02:15] <jbailey> Right.
[02:15] <mdke> jbailey, we didn't like the word "unofficial"
[02:15] <jbailey> But that's still a string.
[02:15] <mdke> ah
[02:15] <mdke> not allowed?
[02:15] <jbailey> Almost certainly.
[02:15] <mdke> i changed it and committed, so better undo it if that is a problem
[02:16] <mdke> the "unofficial" thing was a hangup from the hoary version
[02:16] <jbailey> 'k
[02:16] <jbailey> Ah, yeah.
[02:16] <mdke> it's a problem? you can't upload that?
[02:17] <jbailey> Right.  The deadline for DocumentationStringFreeze was Sept 8.
[02:17] <jbailey> I'd get larted for doing it now.
[02:17] <mdke> jbailey, although taking a flexible interpretation of that freeze, it was to enable translations to be done. The omf files are not getting translated
[02:18] <jbailey> Although many of them already are.
[02:18] <mdke> really?
[02:18] <jbailey> Yeah.
[02:18] <mdke> that must be from hoary too i guess
[02:18] <jbailey> Yeah.
[02:18] <mdke> ok your call on that
[02:18] <jbailey> And if I had been clever I could've done the ones last night.
[02:18] <jbailey> I think the string also appears in the .xml file
[02:19] <jbailey> So I should be able to pick up the translation from there.
[02:19] <mdke> i doubt it
[02:19] <jbailey> Not the 'Unofficial' one.
[02:19] <jbailey> But the 'About Ubuntu' does.
[02:19] <mdke> oh yeah sure
[02:19] <mdke> i still don't think the string freeze applies to those omf files
[02:20] <mdke> but i'll leave it with you
[02:20] <mdke> it's not a major issue, the entity thing is major
[02:20] <jbailey> Right.
[02:20] <jbailey> The Entity thing is a bug.
[02:20] <jbailey> I can fix that now. =)
[02:20] <mdke> what is up with that?
[02:20] <mdke> global.ent is in the wrong place?
[02:20] <jbailey> Right.
[02:20] <jbailey> It's looking for things in 
[02:20] <jbailey> "../../common"
[02:21] <mdke> yeah
[02:21] <mdke> ok, the other bug is that the legal stuff doesn't show up in the faqguide
[02:21] <jbailey> I have to look up if there's a search base or something I can use.
[02:21] <jbailey> Likfe the FDL and such?
[02:21] <mdke> yah
[02:21] <jbailey> Symptom of problem #1
[02:21] <jbailey> =)
[02:21] <mdke> it's in this bit:
[02:21] <mdke> 	<xi:include href="../../../common/C/ccbysa.xml" xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude"/>
[02:21] <mdke> 	<xi:include href="../../../common/C/fdl.xml" xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude"/>
[02:21] <mdke> 	<!-- &cc-by-sa;
[02:22] <mdke> 	&fdl; -->
[02:22] <jbailey> Your best bet if you want that string changed is to put an item in for the TB next Tuesday
[02:22] <mdke> same bug really
[02:22] <mdke> the "unofficial" string?
[02:22] <jbailey> Get them to rule on what's covered by StringFreeze and what's not.
[02:22] <jbailey> Right.
[02:22] <mdke> ok
[02:22] <mdke> will do
[02:22] <mdke> how about the legal bug, is that fixable?
[02:26] <segfault> i installed the new ubuntu-docs today
[02:27] <segfault> it showed pt_BR ok, however there was no ubuntu image, when i clicked in "About Ubuntu"
[02:28] <segfault> besides, we should tell people to add their translations of "About Ubuntu" in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTranslations
[02:28] <mdke> jbailey, i can confirm that ^^
[02:28] <mdke> missing image bug
[02:28] <jbailey> Right.
[02:28] <jbailey> I'll see if I can fix that.
[02:28] <segfault> since it looks like they'll freeze that today
[02:29] <jbailey> segfault: Too late for more translations.  Freeze was yesterday
[02:29] <segfault> humm, Mirv told me that was still in time
[02:29] <mdke> yeah you can do them
[02:29] <mdke> segfault, it applies to translations of .desktop files only
[02:29] <mdke> not docs
[02:30] <segfault> is that possible to have a translated image of Ubuntu in pt_BR?
[02:30] <jbailey> Probably not at this point, sorry.
[02:30] <mdke> no, best to use the original image
[02:30] <jbailey> We have no way of really doing translated images.
[02:30] <segfault> mdke: sure, but since people translated the about-ubuntu doc, i guess they would like to se the desktop entry translated too
[02:31] <mdke> segfault, yes, that is up to them, I have no way to communicate this further
[02:31] <segfault> np
[02:34] <jbailey> Time for usual morning prep.  bbiab
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[05:14] <jsgotangco> mdke: =)
[05:21] <jsgotangco> hey jbailey
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[05:38] <jsgotangco> jbailey: ping?
[05:39] <jbailey> jsgotangco: Pong.
[05:39] <jsgotangco> jbailey: did something bad happen again?
[05:39] <jbailey> jsgotangco: Dude, it's software development.
[05:39] <jbailey> Something bad is *always* happening. =)
[05:39] <jsgotangco> because im getting the smackdown from ogra and i have no idea what happened
[05:40] <jbailey> Eh? Where from?
[05:40] <jsgotangco> ogra: jsgotangco, i'm pretty annoyed that i have to redo the edubuntu-artwork package completely and i didnt have time planned for that... there were heavy changes to this doc that split it up into several other documents ... 
[05:41] <jbailey> Lemme ask him and find out what's up...
[05:41] <jsgotangco> because i have no clue really
[05:42] <jsgotangco> we did our part
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[06:03] <jsgotangco> hi jjesse
[06:03] <jjesse> hello jsgotangco 
[06:30] <jbailey> Anyone here care about a change I'm proposing for the files?  Right now we look for images and such in "../..", etc..
[06:31] <jbailey> I'm thinking that I will replace that with a ROOTPATH entity
[06:31] <jbailey> That way it can be changed between local generation and package generation.
[06:32] <jsgotangco> it makes things easier huh
[06:32] <jbailey> I think it will.
[06:32] <jbailey> Or it could be the whole path is better.
[06:33] <jbailey> so &imagepath;
[06:33] <jsgotangco> does it still require locales to have their own copies?
[06:33] <jbailey> Or something like that.
[06:33] <jbailey> Tell me what the right thing is. =)
[06:34] <jbailey> I can easily take the &language; out of the string.
[06:34] <jbailey> I don't know if I can make it pick dynamically if an image is either localised or not.
[06:34] <jbailey> Right now we have things lke:
[06:34] <jbailey>                 <imagedata fileref="../../images/&language;/UbuntuLogo.png" format="PNG"/>
[06:35] <jsgotangco> yes
[06:36] <jbailey> What would you like it to be?
[06:37] <jsgotangco> what is your recommendation? I'd rather have it just simply /images/foo or at least ./images/foo
[06:39] <jbailey> Sure.  It depends if the images are common or not.
[06:39] <jbailey> I need to grab food.  Will you be around in 30m or so?
[06:40] <jsgotangco> sure
[06:40] <jsgotangco> i'll wait
[06:40] <jbailey> Thanks, sorry.  I realised that I hadn't had lunch and was getting spacy
[06:41] <jsgotangco> no problem
[06:41] <jsgotangco> im trying to learn esperanto
[06:41] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:49] <mdke> jsgotangco, sup
[06:49] <mdke> jdub, pong?
[06:49] <jdub> mdke: the about page in docteam svn is mark's text, innit?
[06:49] <mdke> jdub, yes, the one in the breezy branch
[06:49] <mdke> jdub, y you ask?
[06:50] <jdub> yeah
[06:50] <jdub> tops
[06:50] <jdub> just checking
[06:50] <mdke> putting it back in -artwork?
[06:50] <jdub> lord no
[06:50] <jdub> :-)
[06:50] <mdke> phew
[06:50] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:50] <jdub> more defending my arse
[06:50] <mdke> jdub, ah
[06:50] <mdke> mark wrote it
[06:50] <mdke> we did a few typo corrections
[06:50] <jsgotangco> yes
[06:50] <mdke> otherwise it is all his
[06:50] <mdke> :)
[06:51] <jsgotangco> he played around with the existing test and added more stuff
[06:51] <jsgotangco> mdke: nothing much just messing around with rosetta
[06:51] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:51] <jsgotangco> i actually translated the doc to en_UK
[06:51] <jsgotangco> hehhee
[06:51] <mdke> argh
[06:51] <mdke> is tagalog done?
[06:51] <jsgotangco> yes
[06:51] <mdke> cool
[06:52] <mdke> did it make it into the distro?
[06:52] <jsgotangco> afaik yes
[06:52] <mdke> cool
[06:52] <mdke> pm btw
[06:55] <jsgotangco> mdke: can you review how good my en_UK is
[06:55] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:55] <mdke> i can't confirm translations in en_UK
[06:55] <jsgotangco> there's a team????
[06:55] <mdke> i'm not in the group, if there is one
[06:55] <mdke> doubt there is one
[06:55] <jsgotangco> haha
[06:56] <mdke> i hope not, anyhow
[06:56] <mdke> i'll have a look later
[06:56] <jsgotangco> hehe don't take it seriously
[06:56] <jsgotangco> after all rob^ started translating to en_AU
[06:56] <mdke> ;)
[06:57] <mdke> gtg home
[06:57] <mdke> laters
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[07:30] <jsgotangco> jbailey: i gotta sleep
[07:31] <jsgotangco> feel free to email the list if no one here can answer/help you
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