| BenC | desrt: not that I know of | 01:00 |
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| BenC | desrt: still around? | 01:00 |
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| desrt | BenC; pong | 04:26 |
| desrt | BenC; please re-enable it :) | 04:26 |
| lamont | BenC: it might be from whatever the DC machines wanted... might be good to ping elmo on the HUGETLB* stuff | 04:30 |
| lamont | at which point he'll say one of (a) HELL YES, (b) HELL NO, or (c) whatever | 04:31 |
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| fabbione | morning | 05:24 |
| fabbione | desrt: TLB is sort of a problem | 05:24 |
| desrt | how so? | 05:25 |
| fabbione | because it adds an extra layer to the mm iirc | 05:25 |
| fabbione | that slow dows things a bit | 05:25 |
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| fabbione | + it was never turned on | 05:25 |
| desrt | ah | 05:25 |
| desrt | it was probably just on in my custom kernel that i was running | 05:25 |
| desrt | when you guys started shipping 64bit i switched | 05:26 |
| fabbione | desrt: we can discuss these goodies for dapper | 05:26 |
| fabbione | http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16469 <- | 05:28 |
| fabbione | didn't we fix this one? | 05:29 |
| desrt | fabbione; i was actually rather hoping for HUGETLB in breezy | 05:30 |
| desrt | at least in powerpc64-smp :) | 05:31 |
| fabbione | desrt: too late. it involves an ABI change mostlikey | 05:31 |
| desrt | arggghh | 05:31 |
| fabbione | and we are truely deep freeze now | 05:31 |
| desrt | i don't believe in freezes :) | 05:32 |
| fabbione | we do :) | 05:35 |
| fabbione | you lose :P | 05:35 |
| desrt | does anyone even use ppc64? :) | 05:46 |
| desrt | how do i find out if ABI would be broken? | 05:47 |
| fabbione | desrt: yeah quite a lot of people | 05:48 |
| fabbione | desrt: there is an ABI checker in our source code | 05:48 |
| fabbione | s/source/build/ | 05:48 |
| desrt | k. i'll have a look at it at work | 05:53 |
| desrt | basically, we need need need hugepages | 05:53 |
| desrt | and running a custom kernel in ubuntu isn't the most comfortable exercise | 05:54 |
| fabbione | desrt: for dapper for dapper for dapper | 05:54 |
| desrt | particularly in breezy :) | 05:54 |
| desrt | k. our research is occuring now :) | 05:54 |
| fabbione | desrt: why not? | 05:54 |
| desrt | fabbione; because you have to recompile it every time the kernel is updated | 05:54 |
| fabbione | it's easy to build custom kernels | 05:54 |
| fabbione | nope... | 05:54 |
| fabbione | that's why you make a custom | 05:54 |
| desrt | i'm all about getting my stuff into upstream :) | 05:54 |
| desrt | right... but i mean... if you want the fixes in the new kernel | 05:55 |
| desrt | then you have to rebuild your config against the new source | 05:55 |
| fabbione | well of course | 05:56 |
| fabbione | given that you need the new fixes | 05:56 |
| fabbione | the only reason why i would compile a custom kernel is if i need special features or remove unused features | 05:56 |
| desrt | well | 05:57 |
| desrt | with ubuntu pretty much everything is a module | 05:57 |
| desrt | which is nice | 05:57 |
| fabbione | but... | 05:57 |
| fabbione | for ex.. | 05:57 |
| fabbione | a security fix comes up on ppp | 05:57 |
| desrt | i'd disable inotify | 05:57 |
| desrt | it sucks :) | 05:57 |
| fabbione | and you don't use and build ppp | 05:57 |
| fabbione | it's pointless to update | 05:57 |
| desrt | right. | 05:57 |
| fabbione | i agree.. | 05:57 |
| desrt | i was joking | 05:57 |
| desrt | *ahem* | 05:57 |
| fabbione | so your upgrade path is different | 05:57 |
| fabbione | idiotify sucks | 05:58 |
| fabbione | brb | 05:58 |
| desrt | hahahah | 05:58 |
| desrt | that's a great name! | 05:58 |
| fabbione | re | 06:08 |
| desrt | do you have an idea of how to do better than inotify? | 06:10 |
| desrt | if you do i'd seriously like to hear it | 06:10 |
| fabbione | i think the kernel code is ok | 06:14 |
| fabbione | it's userland that truely sucks | 06:14 |
| desrt | hmm | 06:15 |
| desrt | interesting | 06:15 |
| desrt | in what ways do you feel this to be the case? | 06:15 |
| fabbione | because i had to debug gamin more than once | 06:16 |
| desrt | (hah. i'm being such a psych) | 06:16 |
| fabbione | so i read both the codes | 06:16 |
| desrt | ahh | 06:16 |
| fabbione | and i can tell you that gamin is really bad code | 06:16 |
| fabbione | or at least used to be | 06:16 |
| desrt | ok. ya.. the gamin backend for inotify is a bit scary | 06:16 |
| desrt | my problems with inotify, incidentally, are based on the kernel :) | 06:16 |
| desrt | it's the best interface that we could possibly have | 06:17 |
| desrt | but it's still quite bad | 06:17 |
| desrt | alas. bed now. | 06:17 |
| desrt | cheerio. | 06:17 |
| fabbione | good night | 06:18 |
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| \sh | gentlemen, i updated #16539 | 10:32 |
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| zul | hey | 02:24 |
| fabbione | yo | 02:39 |
| BenC | good morning | 03:37 |
| fabbione | hey Ben | 03:40 |
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| lamont | when is -19 uploading? | 10:13 |
| zul | when benc gets to it? :) | 10:19 |
| zul | im heading home folks talk to you later | 10:19 |
| lamont | mjg59: HP OB900... clues on what I need to do to make sound work in breezy (or hoary, for that matter...) | 10:24 |
| BenC | lamont: you need anything last minute? | 10:46 |
| lamont | BenC: just waiting for it | 10:46 |
| lamont | I mean, today is _almost_ over in London..... | 10:47 |
| lamont | (not that I'm impatient or anything...) | 10:48 |
| BenC | hehe, ok | 10:48 |
| BenC | was just about to do the upload | 10:48 |
| BenC | waiting to see if I got some response for a couple of bug reports first | 10:49 |
| BenC | ok, upload in ~10 minutes | 10:54 |
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| fabbione | BenC: rocking | 11:10 |
| jbailey | mjg59: Should the kernel stop asking us to load vesafb now, then? Or does it still need to load it in case the user desn't have usplash | 11:23 |
| jbailey | mmm. | 11:23 |
| jbailey | Not that it would matter at that point, given that fbcon isn't also loaded. | 11:23 |
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