[01:01] <Surak> hey, hello
[01:02] <Surak> Just did my first upload to REVU :-)
[01:04] <ajmitch> great :)
[01:11] <seth_k> tooooo much stuff to do as of late
[01:16] <marcin_ant> hi all
[01:16] <Surak> hello
[01:16] <marcin_ant> I got a question about dependencies in ubuntu
[01:17] <Surak> ogra: there?
[01:17] <marcin_ant> today I wanted to test syslog-ng
[01:17] <marcin_ant> so I installed syslog-ng which replaced sysklogd and then...
[01:18] <marcin_ant> after reboot my system parially crashed
[01:18] <marcin_ant> no network, no squid, mldonkey doesn't work etc.
[01:18] <marcin_ant> after a quick look at scripts in /etc/inid.d
[01:18] <ogra> Surak, terribly busy, but yes
[01:19] <marcin_ant> I realized that these scripts requires syslog - but there is no dependency to syslog in their packages
[01:19] <marcin_ant> so - is this 'by design' or this is just another ubuntu bug that I should report?
[01:20] <Surak> ogra_: Just to thank you about warning me with mknod stuff. Got a night learning everything I could about udev, and now the package is lintian-clear :-)
[01:20] <ajmitch> marcin_ant: strange, I'm running just fine with syslog-ng
[01:20] <ogra> Surak, cool
[01:22] <marcin_ant> ajmitch: I couldn't start my network interfaces without sysklogd
[01:22] <marcin_ant> ajmitch: maybe because I use network-applet?
[01:25] <Surak> I sent the package to REVU. What happens now?
[01:25] <ajmitch> marcin_ant: I wouldn't know
[01:26] <ajmitch> Surak: someone will look at it, if they have time & they know it's there :)
[01:26] <Surak> ajmitch: that means that now I need to be bugging someone to take a look at my package three times a day? :-)
[01:27] <ajmitch> possibly
[01:27] <Surak> who == they ? :-D
[01:28] <ajmitch> MOTUs who can upload :)
[01:29] <jdong> ajmitch: would that be you? ;) j/k
[01:29] <ajmitch> jdong: I'm one of them
[01:29] <Surak> The second on the list ;-)  https://launchpad.net/people/motu/+members/
[01:29] <ajmitch> list order there doesn't matter
[01:30] <ajmitch> Surak: perhaps you could start with the package name
[01:30] <ajmitch> so that we'd know what to look at
[01:30] <Surak> I know, just kidding. I was looking at some name I would recognize, and you came up first :-)
[01:31] <Surak> The package is called "conexant" - it's a port from 2.4 version of the driver, back in the time when It could be modified freely.
[01:32] <marcin_ant> Surak: I reintalled default syslog, I also had to reinstal ubuntu-minimal and had to restart my nic's manually and set up my default gateway again
[01:32] <marcin_ant> Surak: now everything seems to work
[01:32] <ajmitch> not listed on revu yet
[01:32] <Surak> there was no free conexant module for 2.6, just an old one which comes with the modem's cd. This software was then ported to 2.6 and packaged to ubuntu for hsf modems
[01:33] <Surak> ajmitch: I noticed, and I uploaded it about one hour ago.
[01:33] <ajmitch> Surak: will look to see if it's stuck somewhere
[01:33] <Surak> ajmitch: thanks
[01:33] <ajmitch> hm, it's in incoming on revu..
[01:34] <Surak> why doesn't it appear on revu's page?
[01:34] <ajmitch> I don't have a conexant modem on  me to test it :)
[01:34] <ajmitch> I don't know yet :)
[01:34] <ajmitch> it got rejected..
[01:34] <ajmitch> conexant_192-1_i386.changes
[01:35] <ajmitch> source uploads please
[01:35] <ajmitch> debuild -S -sa
[01:35] <ajmitch> and then upload the  conexant_192-1_source.changes
[01:37] <Nafallo> is that the multiverse thingies?
[01:37] <Nafallo> there is a new conexant thing upstream, more beta I think, but has support for amd64.
[01:37] <ajmitch> could be multiverse, I haven't looked at it
[01:37] <Surak> This package is still for the only device I had: 14f1:2f00 . I just bought another model.
[01:38] <Surak> this one is multiverse - it includes binary stuff
[01:38] <ajmitch> ok
[01:38] <ajmitch> you still need to make a source upload :)
[01:39] <Surak> I'm trying to force it, Uploading via ftp conexant_192-1.dsc: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of conexant_192-1.dsc
[01:39] <ajmitch> right
[01:39] <ajmitch> I can clean those out
[01:39] <Surak> It's ignoring the --force option.
[01:39] <ajmitch> try again
[01:40] <ajmitch> it's because the files already existed on ftp
[01:40] <Surak> Nafallo: If there's someone else doing this, I will work on something else
[01:40] <Nafallo> Surak: not AFAIK
[01:41] <ajmitch> first thing - is it really a native package, and why did you use that version number?
[01:41] <Surak> I ain't tested it on amd64. Just a matter of turning the amd64 off and putting a modem into it :-) I have eight different machines only for ubuntu testing
[01:42] <Surak> Ajmitch: It contains the firmware. The version number comes from the module developer (the one which ported it to 2.6)
[01:42] <Nafallo> Surak: try to build it on amd64 first ;-)
[01:43] <ajmitch> I mean, why is it not a package with a debian revision (orig.tar.gz & .diff.gz) and why not 192-0ubuntu1?
[01:44] <Surak> This package was not submitted to debian yet. It's brand new. I though only packages coming from debian and modified should be called -ubuntu
[01:45] <Surak> let me find where I read that
[01:45] <Nafallo> not in debian == 0ubuntu1 :-)
[01:45] <ajmitch> Surak: upload rejected again, I think it's keyring problems this time
[01:45] <Nafallo> or rather 0ubuntuX :-)
[01:46] <Surak> Nafallo: Just read that on wiki - shame on me
[01:46] <Nafallo> :-)
[01:47] <Surak> ajmitch: I send the key to siretart yesterday. He sent me an email containing this: "> The recover password function seems odd to me. It appears:
[01:47] <Surak> oh, there was some permissions foo, please try again
[01:47] <Surak> Gruesse,
[01:47] <Surak>         Reinhard "
[01:47] <Surak> sent
[01:49] <ajmitch> Surak: yeah, but I heard there was some keyring trouble
[01:49] <ajmitch> will find out from him :)
[01:49] <Surak> Is this my fault?
[01:49] <ajmitch> njo
[01:49] <ajmitch> no
[01:55] <Nafallo> hmm
[01:55] <Nafallo> ajmitch: didn't know you spook swedish? ;-)
[01:56] <Nafallo> no = nej, yes could be jo, s njo would be something that turns out to yes ;-).
[02:13] <Surak> ajmitch: conexant_192-1ubuntu-1_source.changes - Should I upload it again?
[02:15] <Surak> (with the -ubuntu1 as version name)
[02:24] <Surak> Nafallo: are you there?
[02:26] <Surak> the software is being developed as native debian from the beginning of the port. Should I change this?
[02:28] <Surak> night people.
[02:35] <bddebian> What's a better way to check a package looking for python.  Add a --with-python= to configure or modify configure.ac and autoreconf?
[02:36] <lifeless> what do you mean ?
[02:36] <bddebian> Currently cyphesis-cpp is looking for python but it's looking in the wrong place for 2.4.  Then it manually looks for 2.2 or 2.3.
[02:37] <bddebian> I can add a --with-python= to ./configure to have it look or I can fix the configure.ac and then autoreconf
[02:37] <bddebian> *I think*
[03:36] <ajmitch>  The "all your workhours belong to us" release
[03:36] <ajmitch> poor ogra ;)
[03:36] <ogra> :)
[03:37] <bddebian> Heh
[03:37] <ajmitch> ogra: do you get any sleep?
[03:37] <ogra> i think xscreensaver is the most expensive app we have in the desktop now :)
[03:37] <ogra> about 4h a night during this week...
[03:37] <ajmitch> I thought that'd be firefox :)
[03:38] <bddebian> Nah, it's ghc-cvs ;-)
[03:38] <ogra> next will be worse... i have to take up on edubuntu ... i lost nearly two weeks through all ths scrensaver crap
[03:38] <ajmitch> bddebian: hardly expensive, you're donating your time for that
[03:38] <ajmitch> ogra: if I can help you out, just ask :)
[03:39] <ogra> hmm
[03:40] <ogra> do you like postinst hacking ? :)
[03:40] <ajmitch> depends what I'd have to hack
[03:41] <ogra> moodle needs to work without wwwconfig-common ...
[03:41] <bddebian> ajmitch: So my time is worthless, is that what you are saying? :-)
[03:41] <ogra> all other stuff is nothing i could give away...
[03:41] <ajmitch> bddebian: priceless, not worthless ;)
[03:41] <ajmitch> ogra: ok, will look
[03:41] <bddebian> Heh, good one
[03:41] <ajmitch> I've dealt with wwwconfig-common in the past
[03:41] <ogra> wow, that would be a real help :)
[03:42] <ajmitch> only briefly with it :)
[03:42] <ogra> i need to drop the dependency... thats holding it back from entering main
[03:42] <ajmitch> ah ok
[03:42] <ajmitch> what does it use wwwconfig-common for at the moment?
[03:42] <ogra> so the db cretion scripts need changes...
[03:42] <ogra> cretion
[03:42] <ogra> c r e a t i o n
[03:42] <ajmitch> using debconf to get db info?
[03:42] <ogra> grmpf
[03:43] <ogra> as you like...
[03:43] <ajmitch> ogra: how about the case of remote db? want to handle that?
[03:43] <ogra> it needs to create mysql/postgres db'S
[03:43] <ajmitch> yep
[03:44] <ogra> hmm, it does that now i think... debconf already collects dbuser and server info
[03:44] <ajmitch> right, so I can use the existing debconf info
[03:44] <ajmitch> I'll take a look at it tonight & tomorrow
[03:44] <ogra> but i think it doesnt need to create remote
[03:44] <ajmitch> as I've got postgresql & mysql setup on my hom ebox
[03:44] <ogra> wow, thats a real help :)
[03:45] <ajmitch> glad to help, if I can :)
[03:45] <ogra> if we once get edubuntu t-sirts, i'll reserve the first for you :)
[03:45] <ogra> shirts even
[03:45] <ajmitch> heh
[03:46] <ogra> th suck is that i still cat put xscreensaver aside :( ... mvo needs fixes and already wasted a lot of time on it ...
[03:46] <ajmitch> moodle needs php5?
[03:47] <ogra> it doesnt *need* php5 but works with it...
[03:47] <ajmitch> or my laptop
[03:47] <ogra> drop the dep while you wok on it
[03:47] <ogra> *work
[03:47] <ajmitch> I'll install apache/php/mysql/postgres on the laptop :)
[03:47] <ogra> its a requirement for main ...
[03:47] <ajmitch> yep
[03:48] <ogra> but not needed for the fix :)
[03:48] <ajmitch> and main packages can't dep on main | universe
[03:48] <ogra> ah, yes, indeed you can add an "or"
[03:48] <ajmitch> is that allowed still?
[03:48] <ogra> sure
[03:48] <ajmitch> ok
[03:49] <ajmitch> along with passing bddebian in malone bugs fixed
[03:49] <ogra> bddebian, is the bug hero :)
[03:50] <ajmitch> I'm only about 12 behind him
[03:50] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/people/bddebian/+karma
[03:50] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/people/ajmitch/+karma
[03:50] <ogra> heh its a competition ?
[03:51] <ajmitch> ogra: not so much a competition as an incentive to work harder ;)
[03:51] <ajmitch> I leave him the easy ones though ;)
[03:51] <ogra> ah, come on, malone is below 500 :) its a good state
[03:51] <bddebian> Unfortunately when I "fix" bugs everyone gets pissed :-)
[03:51] <ogra> its way better than bugzilla...
[03:52] <ogra> and regarding the amount of packages is unbelivable
[03:53] <ajmitch> ogra: yeah, we've got over half the reported bugs closed
[03:53] <ajmitch> still plenty to choose from
[03:53] <ajmitch> it's 502 open at the moment
[03:53] <ogra> i think mdz is happy if we release with a bugcount below 1000 in bugzilla
[03:54] <ogra> so MOTU rocks the casbah currently :)
[03:54] <ajmitch> I've been doing a little bit of bug mangling there too
[03:55] <ogra> i'm slurping the rest of my last beer for today :)
[03:55] <ogra> off to bed soon... (4am)
[03:55] <bddebian> we're back over 500??
[03:56] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes, get working
[03:56] <ajmitch> ok ogra, get some sleep :)
[03:57] <ogra> yup... quickly resolving some seed conflicts before :)
[03:57] <ajmitch> sleep well :)
[03:58] <bddebian> Later ogra
[03:58] <ogra> night all
[03:58] <ajmitch> moodle looks 'easy' enough to do psql & mysql db/user creation
[03:59] <ajmitch> as well as some other postinst magic
[04:01] <ogra> :)
[04:02] <crimsun> new artwork rocks
[04:03] <bddebian> gnat-gps sucks
[04:03] <ajmitch> got screenshot?
[04:05] <ajmitch> bddebian: you think *that* sucks?
[04:06] <ajmitch> I have to try & generate html that'll look right in MS word :P
[04:06] <bddebian> Bah that's easy :-)
[04:06] <ajmitch> and do appropriate things like page breaks, etc
[04:06] <crimsun> ajmitch: the new splash and background are in the latest ubuntu-artwork
[04:06] <ajmitch> hand me a gun, please
[04:06] <ajmitch> crimsun: I'm on XP at work here ;)
[04:06] <bddebian> Word can save as HTML
[04:06] <crimsun> ah.
[04:06] <ajmitch> bddebian: no kidding
[04:15] <crimsun> ajmitch: http://www.sh.nu/~crimsun/Screenshot.png
[04:23] <ajmitch> a nice improvement
[04:53] <bddebian> ajmitch: Any chance you could help me?
[04:55] <LaserJock> bddebian: I put a link to my ghemical packages on the wiki
[04:55] <bddebian> LaserJock: Aye, I saw that.  Don't we need mopac7?
[04:56] <bmonty> hi all
[04:56] <bddebian> Heya bmonty
[04:56] <LaserJock> for mine yes, but right now we can take the Debian libghemical and the unmet dep will be fixed
[04:56] <bddebian> bmonty: You bored?
[04:56] <ajmitch> bddebian: maybe
[04:56] <bmonty> bddebian: not really...just got done putting together a crib
[04:56] <bmonty> not fun :(
[04:57] <bddebian> That's always fun :-)
[04:57] <ajmitch> bddebian: what do you need help with?
[04:57] <bddebian> gnat-gps.  I think it's a simple fix but it's kicking my ass.  I need to override where it's looking for cairo.h
[04:58] <ajmitch> aha
[04:58] <ajmitch> and you think *I* am capable of helping?
[04:58] <bddebian> Of course
[04:59] <ajmitch> s/cps/gps/
[04:59] <bddebian> apt-get source gnat-gps ;-P
[05:01] <bddebian> Gotta switch machines, brb
[05:05] <LaserJock> bddebian: I also included in my builds of mopac7 from Debian in my repo
[05:19] <LaschW> Is there a Chance to find a maintainer for Eiciel to get Eiciel into Breezy? Eiciel is a posix ACL editor for Gnome. IMO well done and fits seamless into Nautilus.
[05:19] <bddebian> NO way :-)
[05:19] <LaschW> Eiciel only needs a rebuild on breezy. There are Debian Sarge deb's which are linked against an c102 deb from sid.
[05:19] <LaschW> bddebian: Why not?
[05:19] <bddebian> I'm kidding
[05:20] <LaschW> bddebian: Not even in multiverse?
[05:20] <LaschW> bddebian: *phew* You made my heart stop...
[05:20] <bddebian> I'll try to take a look but I can't promise much at this point sorry
[05:20] <ajmitch> bddebian: it would be a sync from sid, I think
[05:21] <bddebian> ajmitch: OK
[05:21] <LaschW> bddebian: I just installed it today and its an awesome tool to edit ACL's from Nautilus or as a standalone application
[05:21] <ajmitch> assuming that you have a filesystem that supports & uses ACLs
[05:22] <LaschW> bddebian: For a lot of Novell NDS Admins and Win AD Admins it will look very familiar
[05:23] <ajmitch> bddebian can probably beg for a sync
[05:23] <LaschW> bddebian: In the public sector field here in Germany a lot of administrators ask for ACL and precisely for a Gui Application.
[05:23] <bmonty> good night all
[05:24] <LaschW> bddebian: And I would bet it will be the same in the benelux ;-)
[05:24] <ajmitch> night bmonty
[05:24] <bmonty> bddebian: made sure I closed a bug....still not below 500 though :(
[05:24] <hubW> what should I put in a -dbg package?
[05:25] <bddebian> bmonty: Good job d00d.  Gnight :-)
[05:25] <bddebian> hubW: Unstripped binaries afaik
[05:25] <hubW> ah
[05:26] <ajmitch> bmonty: don't worry, bddebian  will close another 50 or so bugs tonight
[05:29] <hubW> and CDBS does it all alone with the right option?
[05:29] <bddebian> No, I'm fighting with broken unmet dep packages :'-(
[05:34] <bddebian> Fsck I hate days where Nothing works :-(
[05:34] <crimsun> I hear that, bddebian
[05:34] <hubW> cdbs rocks
[05:56] <bddebian> disappear?
[05:56] <ajmitch> yes
[05:56] <ajmitch> "Launchpad will be going offline for maintenance in two minutes."
[05:56] <ajmitch> hah
[05:57] <ajmitch> "Launchpad will be going offline for maintenance very very soon."
[05:57] <bddebian> Doh.. How am I going to close these bugs??
[05:57] <bddebian> ;-)
[05:57] <ajmitch> wait for it to reappear :P
[06:00] <hubW> what shall I do for a missing manpage?
[06:00] <bddebian> Write one ;-)
[06:01] <hubW> I have never written one :-(
[06:02] <bddebian> Good time to learn :-)
[06:05] <ajmitch> help2man is really useful, btw ;)
[06:06] <ajmitch> eg help2man f-spot > f-spot.1
[06:06] <ajmitch> and then check it with man -l f-spot.1
[06:07] <ajmitch> or write one in docbook & use docbook2man
[06:09] <ajmitch> hi Amaranth
[06:09] <Amaranth> hi
[06:10] <Amaranth> holy crap, there are still gcc 4 transitions left?
[06:10] <hubW> ajmitch: good idea
[06:10] <hubW> trying that
[06:11] <Amaranth> hey, universe got slang2 done before main, neat
[06:13] <ajmitch> Amaranth: some source just doesn't build right with gcc 4.0
[06:24] <hubW> and how do I get the man page to be packaged?
[06:25] <ajmitch> debian/pkgname.manpages
[06:25] <ajmitch> place the manpage in debian/
[06:25] <ajmitch> and list it in there
[06:25] <hubW> ah
[06:25] <ajmitch> might need to write debian/f-spot.1, for example
[06:25] <hubW> ok
[06:25] <hubW> I have it
[06:26] <hubW> I'll try that
[06:30] <bddebian> Later folks
[06:44] <ajmitch> ok, fought it back down to 500 bugs open
[07:11] <crimsun> slomo_, transcode_1.0.0-0.4ubuntu2 uploaded.
[07:15] <hubW> two packages updated on REVU
[07:25] <ajmitch> man, +215 karma on LP in 24 hours..
[07:25] <ajmitch> been a busy bug squashing time ;)
[07:56] <hubW> what is the best way when upgrading upstream?
[07:57] <hubW> copy over debian/ in the new tree?
[07:58] <ajmitch> that's an easy way to do it
[07:58] <ajmitch> & then bump the changelog to the new version
[08:00] <hubW> ok
[08:00] <hubW> so I do like I do
[08:00] <hubW> :-)
[08:16] <dholbach> good morning
[08:19] <hubW> hey dholbach
[08:19] <dholbach> hey hub, how's it going?
[08:19] <hubW> fine
[08:20] <hubW> I uploaded some stuff on REVU
[08:20] <dholbach> ROCK
[08:20] <dholbach> which one this time? :)
[08:20] <hubW> and about to add a new upstream for hugin
[08:20] <dholbach> oh cool
[08:20] <hubW> dholbach: the previous  that I fixed
[08:25] <hubW> I'll wait that these get uploaded before I do the next :-)
[08:25] <dholbach>  hehe
[08:26] <dholbach> and you do some fixes for malone/bugzilla instead :-p
[08:27] <hubW> or for upstreams I work on
[08:27] <hubW> I'm putting them in Malone
[08:27] <hubW> atm
[08:27] <dholbach> ah i see
[08:27] <hubW> (because if takes a long time to build hugin)
[08:27] <dholbach> so launchpad gets widespreaded use :)
[08:28] <hubW> s/malone/launchpad/
[08:28] <dholbach> yeah, i think launchpad really is worthwhile
[08:32] <dholbach> the debian security team was quite busy these days
[08:32] <dholbach> we should have a look at debian-security-announce@ to weasle out what we have to sync
[08:32] <dholbach> i think pitti did more of the main ones
[08:33] <ajmitch> what we have t sync & what we have to put up for review for hoary
[08:33] <hubW> my upstream from AbiWord went thru
[08:33] <dholbach> ajmitch: oh yes... hoary
[08:33] <dholbach> *shudder*
[08:33] <ajmitch> :)
[08:37] <hubW> I forgot
[08:37] <hubW> how do I resume package building
[08:37] <hubW> ie after building the binaries
[08:37] <hubW> nevermind
[08:38] <hubW> found it
[09:21] <siretart> morning
[09:21] <siretart> who uploaded conexant?
[09:31] <robitaille> siretart,  conexant? as in conexant modem drivers?
[09:31] <siretart> robitaille: didn't look further in the upload, its in revu now
[09:32] <siretart> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=668
[09:32] <robitaille> siretart,  if that's the case, that would solve: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14288
[09:38] <siretart> robitaille: seems so
[09:40] <siretart> robitaille: but this package need quite some love :(
[10:07] <Tonio-> morning everyone
[10:30] <dholbach> morning Tonio-
[10:31] <\sh> moins
[10:31] <\sh> stress
[10:31] <\sh> doing 1000 things at the same time...
[10:32] <infinito> \sh: thanks for the gcfilms syncin!
[10:34] <\sh> infinito: thanks are going to elmo :)
[10:34] <infinito> \sh: anyway, thanks for helping ;)
[10:34] <\sh> np
[10:36] <ajmitch> hi \sh
[11:40] <dholbach> slomo_: i got a comment on my go-open/multiverse blog post: you may want to look at it http://livejournal.com/users/lifeguardasleep/24931.html?thread=8547#t8547
[12:19] <sistpoty> hi folks
[12:19] <dholbach> hey sistpoty
[12:20] <ajmitch> hi sistpoty
[12:20] <janimo> hi sistpoty
[12:24] <slomo_> good morning
[12:25] <slomo> dholbach: yes... but that is nothing i can "fix" ;) it's just that gst-ffmpeg is a different package than the rest
[12:26] <sistpoty> hm... does artwork deadline also count for universe?
[12:26] <ajmitch> not afaik
[12:26] <ajmitch> what artwork are you thinking of?
[12:26] <dholbach> slomo: ok
[12:27] <sistpoty> a desktop icon... only thing changed that it has a transparent background now
[12:27] <sistpoty> but the package will remove quite some bugs, and some introduced by me (gvr)... ogra already gave his ok yesterday
[12:27] <slomo> dholbach: and a new mosml packages comes in a few minutes... now i only have a easy exam at next wednesday so i can do other things ;)
[12:28] <dholbach> hehe :)
[12:28] <dholbach> we NEED you desperately
[12:28] <dholbach> :)
[12:28] <ogra> sistpoty, see mdz's comment on -devel ... a untranslated .desktop file is better than no desktop file ;)
[12:28] <sistpoty> ogra: the desktop file is already in ubuntu... only the icon changed
[12:29] <ogra> np
[12:29] <sistpoty> cool, thx
[12:29] <ajmitch> sistpoty: shouldn't be a problem at all :)
[12:29] <ajmitch> btw good morning ogra !
[12:29] <ogra> morning :)
[12:29] <dholbach> hey ogra :)
[12:29] <ajmitch> ogra: I'll get onto moodle once apache & php install on my laptop ;)
[12:30] <ogra> great :)
[12:32] <ajmitch> ogra: I hope the xss stuff goes smoothly today so that edubuntu can be polished nicely :)
[12:32] <ogra> me too...
[12:33] <ogra> but Mithrandir already reported an error... no idea where that comes from ...
[12:33] <slomo> dholbach: do you know a Arwed v. Merkatz <v.merkatz@gmx.net>? that's a gstreamer developer... and as you're now working together with mr. gnome.... ;)
[12:33] <ajmitch> hm
[12:33] <dholbach> slomo: no, sorry, don't know him
[12:33] <sistpoty> slomo: are there any issues with haskelldb? i tested yesterday and it only needs a rebuild
[12:34] <slomo> dholbach: ok... then i'll just file a bug instead ;)
[12:34] <dholbach> ogra: i met henning sprang yesterday... it was really funny :)
[12:34] <slomo> sistpoty: tried to install it? often postinst breaks
[12:34] <sistpoty> slomo: install/uninstall is ok
[12:34] <ogra> dholbach, so you'll only use fai in the future to install ubuntu ? ;)
[12:34] <slomo> sistpoty: then it should be ok... i have nothing to test if it works ;)
[12:34] <dholbach> i don'T think so :)
[12:34] <sistpoty> slomo: ok, I'll move it to rebuild only section
[12:35] <slomo> sistpoty: ah, you don't have upload rights?
[12:35] <slomo> sistpoty: then move it to finished... i'll do a rebuild
[12:36] <sistpoty> slomo: not yet ;)... ok, i remove it again ;)
[12:36] <sistpoty> s/remove/move to another section/
[12:40] <slomo> hmm... do we have someone using gnome on freebsd or gentoo? i need a tester ;)
[12:40] <ivoks> hey hey!
[12:40] <sistpoty> hi ivoks
[12:40] <ajmitch> hey ivoks
[12:40] <ivoks> i got a job offer :)
[12:41] <ivoks> to work for a company that provides solutions on RHEL...
[12:41] <ivoks> so, i'm in moral dilema :)
[12:41] <sistpoty> hehe
[12:41] <ajmitch> yay
[12:41] <ivoks> they would pay me RHCE and RHEL4
[12:41] <sistpoty> force them to use apt-rpm ;)
[12:41] <ajmitch> sistpoty: pfft
[12:41] <ajmitch> debtakeover!
[12:41] <sistpoty> *g*
[12:42] <ivoks> eh :)
[12:42] <ivoks> but, have no fear
[12:42] <ivoks> i will push ubuntu as much as i can
[12:43] <ivoks> acctually, they ofer me part time job...
[12:43] <ajmitch> so plenty of ubuntu time!
[12:43] <ajmitch> how many hours/week?
[12:43] <ivoks> first thing i did is show them ubuntu
[12:43] <ivoks> ajmitch: as much as I want
[12:43] <ajmitch> you told them that you're an important ubuntu developer?
[12:43] <ivoks> ajmitch: i'm a student still, so i told them they can't count on me 24/7
[12:43] <ajmitch> ok
[12:44] <ivoks> ajmitch: no, i don't consider my self do important :)
[12:44] <ivoks> ajmitch: but they know I'm MOTU
[12:44] <ajmitch> I work on average 30 hours/week, and they don't mind me doing ubuntu stuff in spare time
[12:44] <ivoks> acctually, that was key factor why they contacted me
[12:45] <sistpoty> damn, ivoks gets a part-time job for linux, whereas i need to earn my livings with M$Access-programming *envy* ;)
[12:45] <ivoks> :)))
[12:45] <ajmitch> hehe
[12:45] <ajmitch> sistpoty: I do PHP coding, almost as bad ;)
[12:45] <sistpoty> hehe
[12:46] <ivoks> last company i was in...
[12:46] <ivoks> i told them not to call me if the problem is with windows
[12:47] <ivoks> when they did that, they had to pay me more for one hour with windows, then with linux
[12:47] <ivoks> like, double :)
[12:47] <ajmitch> heheh
[12:47] <ajmitch> I wish I could get that :)
[12:47] <ivoks> so much about TCO :)
[12:48] <sistpoty> *g*
[12:48] <ivoks> but what's more important
[12:48] <ivoks> i'll stick in both companys :)
[12:48] <ivoks> both are part time jobs...
[12:49] <sistpoty> and when do you have time for study then? ;)
[12:49] <ivoks> sistpoty: this year i don't take any classes
[12:49] <ivoks> sistpoty: i just have exams
[12:49] <sistpoty> ivoks: hehe, same as /me, but I only have one exam left :))
[12:50] <slomo> sistpoty: hehe, me too :) what exam is it for you?
[12:50] <ivoks> sistpoty: :))
[12:50] <sistpoty> secondary subject? (nebenfach) ... it's paedagogik, sorry i don't know the english term
[12:51] <ajmitch> mm, new xubuntu-meta :)
[12:51] <sistpoty> wow, ding is working again :) paedagogik == pedagogy
[12:51] <ajmitch> coworker of mine asked for an ubuntu cd today, will probably use xfce ;)
[12:52] <slomo> sistpoty: ok... for me it's "grundlagen der programmiersprachen" (basic principles of programming languages?)... the last one this semester :) and a fairly easy one
[12:52] <sistpoty> slomo: sounds good... I think I will also go for compiler construction part 3, but just because I'm interested in this
[12:54] <slomo> sistpoty: so you will become our new compiler guy :P compiler stuff comes in 2 semesters for us iirc
[12:54] <sistpoty> slomo: I surely get support from siretart then (he also took 1+2 with me)... the 3rd part is a first time lesson, as it used to come in 1+2 only
[12:55] <siretart> we are currently at uni and learning that stuff :/
[12:55] <siretart> hi sistpoty *wave*
[12:55] <sistpoty> huhu siretart
[12:55] <sistpoty> good luck then!
[12:55] <slomo> hi siretart :)
[12:55] <siretart> thanks :)
[12:55] <siretart> huhu slomo
[12:56] <ajmitch> lucky people
[12:56] <siretart> slomo: yesterday, we found a regression in mplayer. Recent mplayers don't ship a /etc/mplayer/codecs.conf anymore. Leaving that files from older mplayer packages breaks playback of ogg/vorbis files :(
[12:56] <siretart> slomo: do you have an idea how to solve that?
[12:57] <siretart> the quick fix is to rm /etc/mplayer/codecs.conf, the default codecs list is fine
[12:57] <janimo> ajmitch, pitch xubuntu to your colleague ;)
[12:57] <slomo> siretart: yes... install a codecs.conf or delete the old one in postinst ;)
[12:57] <ajmitch> janimo: oh I did
[12:57] <slomo> siretart: btw... _codecs_.conf? not mplayer.conf?
[12:58] <ivoks> hm...
[12:58] <ivoks> if i want to make kubuntu out of my ubuntu
[12:58] <ivoks> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will install KDE
[12:58] <ivoks> but...
[12:58] <ivoks> nothing will remove gnome :)
[12:58] <siretart> slomo: yes, according to AcidPils, it is really codecs.conf
[12:59] <sistpoty> ivoks: iirc you can have both installed, although i didn't test that yet *fg*
[12:59] <slomo> siretart: ok... i'll fix this
[12:59] <ivoks> sistpoty: yes you can
[12:59] <ivoks> sistpoty: that's not the problem
[12:59] <ivoks> sistpoty: problem is how to remove gnome desktop?
[12:59] <siretart> ajmitch: is it allowed by debian policy to rm conffiles from oder versions of the package?
[12:59] <sistpoty> ivoks: dl kubuntu-cd... btw. i was only joking bout that one
[12:59] <siretart> slomo: perhaps you should rather move that file out of the way
[01:00] <ivoks> sistpoty: ah...
[01:00] <slomo> siretart: i'll take a look... remove it when it is now elsewhere or install it otherwise
[01:00] <siretart> well, ok. I'm back to learning, will have an eye here from time to time..
[01:00] <sistpoty> siretart: greetings to johannes ;)
[01:00] <siretart> sistpoty: same to you :)
[01:01] <sistpoty> :)
[01:02] <ajmitch> is codecs.conf a conffile?
[01:03] <sistpoty> ajmitch: imo it is, as there is a codecs.conf.dpkg-old on my outdated unstable
[01:17] <slomo> wtf
[01:17] <slomo> can someone test something for me? ;)
[01:17] <sistpoty> sure
[01:17] <zakame> ?
[01:17] <slomo> Nafallo: you on amd64 maybe?
[01:18] <slomo> sistpoty: do you have a music file flying around? then decode it to wav, feed it to wavpack and try to player it with gstreamer0.8-wavpack... in totem and with gst-launch-ext... what happens?
[01:18] <sistpoty> slomo: will take some time... i think i need to install gstreamer-stuff first ;)
[01:24] <sistpoty> slomo: totem: "Failed to play: Konnte die Ressource nicht zum Schreiben ffnen"
[01:24] <sistpoty> do i need to setup totem to use alsa?
[01:24] <slomo> sistpoty: can you play other stuff with gst?
[01:25] <slomo> sistpoty: don't know what the ubuntu default is... but you can ;) gstreamer-properties
[01:25] <sistpoty> slomo: no i can't play anything *g*... mom.
[01:31] <sistpoty> slomo: i need some help on this *g*... what gstreamer-properties?
[01:32] <slomo> sistpoty: the program called gstreamer-properties ;) but as this is a gnome program you probably don't have it ;)
[01:32] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:33] <sistpoty> ok, just installing it
[01:37] <sistpoty> slomo: totem: with visuals it stutters... the .wv is not as loud as the originial and sounds like it was mono
[01:37] <slomo> sistpoty: ok, no problem... and gst-launch-ext?
[01:37] <sistpoty> No configuration file /home/stefan/.gst found.  You might want to create one.
[01:37] <sistpoty> This is not an error, just a friendly reminder... Check the man page.
[01:38] <slomo> and after that? it plays?
[01:38] <sistpoty> no
[01:38] <slomo> but?
[01:38] <sistpoty> "No suitable pipe found for extension wv"
[01:38] <slomo> ok... fine ;) gnome bugzilla has a new bugreport
[01:39] <sistpoty> ok, forget about the different sound... the wav itself sounds the same...
[01:40] <slomo> funny thing this wavpack decoder plugin ;)
[01:40] <sistpoty> yep
[01:44] <sistpoty> hm... this is strange: c2hs was only built on i386, but it has "any" as architecture
[01:45] <ajmitch> p-a-s?
[01:45] <sistpoty> what is p-a-s?
[01:45] <ajmitch> packages-arch-specific
[01:46] <ajmitch> a file used on the buildds to override specific packages
[01:46] <sistpoty> how could i find out? is it in the source-package?
[01:46] <ajmitch> no, I said it's on the buildds
[01:46] <ajmitch> you'd have to ask lamont-away or infinity
[01:46] <ajmitch> unlikely, though :)
[01:48] <sistpoty> hm... it isn't listed in status of other arches at all...
[01:48] <sistpoty> on lamonts pages
[01:48] <ajmitch> could be p-a-s then
[01:48] <ajmitch> anyway, sleep time for me
[01:49] <sistpoty> gn8 ajmitch
[01:49] <slomo> gn8 ajmitch
[01:49] <zakame> bye ajmitch
[02:35] <lamont-away> c2hs: i386                                                            # build-depends on ghc{4,5}
[02:35] <lamont-away> does that mean that it now uses ghc6?
[02:35] <lamont-away> ENOSISPOTY
[02:36] <tseng> :)
[02:36] <lamont-away> and to answer my own question: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 2.0.40), autoconf (>= 2.52), autotools-dev, linuxdoc-tools, groff, ghc5, xutils
[02:36] <lamont-away> that'd be a 'no' for most of ubuntu, since I'm not bootstrapping ghc5
[02:37] <lamont-away> %ghc5: i386                                                           # Requires itself to build itself
[02:39] <markuman> janimo, ping
[02:40] <slomo> dholbach: new mosml uploaded :) let's see if elmo likes it now
[02:43] <lamont-away> ajmitch: if it's not in the status page, then it's either (a) arch: all, or (b) PaS
[02:44] <lamont-away> 697 upgraded, 310 newly installed, 31 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[02:44] <lamont-away> hoary->breezy upgrade
[02:44] <janimo> markuman,pong
[02:47] <slomo> \sh: waah... the plague ;) http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=12042
[02:47] <markuman> janimo, cant find mousepad version 3 anywhere :-/
[02:47] <markuman> only version 0.2.2
[02:47] <\sh> slomo: hu?
[02:48] <\sh> oh no
[02:48] <\sh> don't update...do not update ,-)
[02:48] <slomo> \sh: i don't want to update ;)
[02:49] <janimo> markumna, hmm let me see I recall I saw it somewhere
[02:50] <janimo> markuman, oh it's just a branch in xfce svn, no release yet
[02:51] <janimo> so we stick witj 0.2.2
[02:51] <markuman> hm
[02:51] <janimo> what do you say the bug is?
[02:52] <janimo> if it's reproducable on breezy current file it in malone so we don;t forget :)
[02:52] <markuman> "MemoryAccessError" (dirty translation from german error output?!?!) if you want to save (it closed/crashed).
[02:56] <janimo> I can save files w/o crashing
[02:56] <janimo> crashes before the save dialog?
[02:56] <markuman> after
[02:56] <janimo> save or save as
[02:57] <janimo> ?
[02:57] <janimo> and on existing or new file?
[02:58] <markuman> save and save as - both crashed - new file
[02:58] <janimo> works fine here..
[02:58] <janimo> $mousepad
[02:58] <markuman> existing too
[02:58] <janimo> write a couple lines
[02:58] <markuman> hm :-/
[02:58] <janimo> save
[02:58] <janimo> close
[02:58] <janimo> no problem
[02:59] <janimo> in gnome or xfce?
[02:59] <markuman> in xfce
[03:00] <janimo> maybe you could get someone else try it on their system see if it's reproducable elsewhere
[03:01] <markuman> ok
[03:01] <janimo> I may log out now, testing sleep/hibernate etc
[03:01] <markuman> ok cu janimo
[03:02] <janimo> bye
[03:06] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:16] <janimo> hey bddebian
[03:16] <bddebian> Hello janimo
[03:24] <bddebian> Heya ogra
[03:33] <bddebian> What do I do if dpkg-shlibs looks for so 13 but can't find it?
[03:34] <segfault> bddebian: are you going to fix those wrong desktop entries?
[03:35] <bddebian> segfault: Wrong?
[03:35] <segfault> bddebian: untranslated..
[03:35] <segfault> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTranslations
[03:36] <bddebian> I hadn't planned on it.  I was just looking at missing .desktop bugs listed on Malone :-)
[03:38] <segfault> humm, ok
[03:41] <segfault> like #16448 ?
[03:41] <xerxas> Nafallo: ?
[03:41] <segfault> should be easy to fix that.
[03:42] <bddebian> segfault: Is that a bugzilla bug #?
[03:42] <Nafallo> xerxas: pong
[03:44] <xerxas> Nafallo: would it be possible to have both xchat and xchat-gnome on the system ?
[03:45] <zakame> what's the diff between xchat and xchat-gnome?
[03:45] <Nafallo> xerxas: I wouldn't know. ask the maintainer.
[03:45] <xerxas> zakame: xchat-gnome is HIG compliant
[03:45] <xerxas> theorically
[03:45] <zakame> ah
[03:46] <zakame> why not put the HIG compliance in the main xchat package?
[03:46] <xerxas> zakame: because xchat-gnome seems to be a fork
[03:50] <zakame> i see...
[03:51] <segfault> bddebian: yes
[03:52] <bddebian> segfault: I don't look at bugzilla for the most part.  That's main stuff :-)
[03:52] <segfault> ah, ok
[03:54] <\sh> wohooo...linksys rocks
[03:55] <Nafallo> \sh: don't tell me you got what I want? :-)
[03:56] <\sh> Nafallo: just received it, upgraded to ddwrt ;)
[03:56] <\sh> enabled ssh, disabled telnet...feels like home ;)
[03:57] <Nafallo> feels like I'm the only one that doesn't have one ;-(
[03:58] <janimo> mjg59, is this smt to worry about ? message on resume from sleepError: something went wrong performing real mode call
[03:58] <bddebian> segfault: I can try to help out if you want though
[03:58] <janimo> hmm wrong channel
[03:59] <segfault> bddebian: if you can, that would be nice. It is an annoying string we want to change a long time ago..
[03:59] <bddebian> segfault: All translations are already there?
[04:00] <segfault> Not yet, but the desktop entry i believe is critical
[04:02] <xerxas> anyone able to play this with totem or mplayer : pnm://multimedia.fnac.com/audio/7/1/1/3356570907117A02.ra
[04:02] <xerxas>  ?
[04:08] <Mez> lo all
[04:10] <Yagisan> G'day Mez
[04:11] <Mez> hows things going?
[04:11] <zakame> hmmm, if I want to report bugs in universe I report to malone?
[04:12] <Yagisan> zakame: universe should be malone
[04:12] <Yagisan> Mez: things are intresting
[04:12] <zakame> Yagisan: ok
[04:13] <Yagisan> burned wrong arch breezy iso because I was tired, then blew away my hoary system
[04:15] <Mez> ogra: apologies for not being around much altely... new job is causing problkems... only online checking email... I'll be back to normal as soon as I get an internet connection sorted out though
[04:15] <ogra> :)
[04:15] <ogra> dont worry
[04:17] <Mez> ogra: I'm working night shifts till all next friday... and I'm at a net cafe now ... :D
[04:18] <Mez> but.. meh ... :D It cant be helped... I need the money to buy beer at UBZ
[04:25] <bddebian> Heya Mez
[04:26] <bddebian> Mez: No excuses ;-P
[04:31] <\sh> Mez: inofficial repos of mirrormax is shutdowned
[04:32] <Mez> \sh: *shrugs* I don't have anything to do with that side... john.dong@gmail.com
[04:32] <Mez> :D
[04:34] <Mez> siretart: ping
[04:34] <\sh> Mez: no it's shutdowned since tuesday ;)
[04:35] <Mez> \sh: I've briefly heard :P but, the "unofficial" stuff... I'm not dealing with as much as the official - just acting as  ago-to and a receptionist
[04:43] <ivoks> uh
[04:43] <ivoks> latest breezy still doesn't support sk98lin via netboot :<<<<<<<<
[04:43] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[04:43] <ivoks> hey :(
[04:44] <bddebian> :-(  What did I do now? :)
[04:44] <ivoks> you nothing
[04:44] <ivoks> i'm just "down" cause i have to recompile kernel, copy modules, and have too much work with sk98lin :(
[04:45] <bddebian> ivoks: Ah :-(
[04:48] <\sh> ivoks: what?
[04:48] <\sh> ivoks: u tested the iso from today?
[04:48] <ivoks> yeah
[04:48] <\sh> ivoks: did u file a bug or reported to mjg?
[04:48] <ivoks> no... not yet
[04:49] <ivoks> \sh: sk98lin isn't in initrd
[04:49] <ivoks> that's -9-386
[05:27] <spayne> yo all
[05:28] <zakame> hey spacey
[05:28] <zakame> hey spayne
[05:41] <spayne> tseng: trying to build again with dpatch :)
[05:44] <spayne> tseng: ping
[05:45] <spayne> anyone ping?
[05:45] <zakame> pong
[05:47] <spayne> can you help me with dpatch?
[05:48] <zakame> what about it :)
[05:48] <zakame> iirc there was a good dpatch howto I found on google not so long ago...
[05:50] <spacey> hey zakame
[05:53] <Yagisan> spayne: have you read this http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=7
[05:53] <zakame> wazup spacey?
[05:54] <spayne> yeh - i think i got it
[05:54] <spacey> nothing much
[05:55] <spayne> hmm - it isn't apply the patch
[05:55] <spayne> any thoughts?
[05:55] <spayne> what do i need in my debian/rukes?
[05:55] <zakame> spayne: or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/253
[05:55] <Yagisan> for some practical examples - deng at revu uses dpatch
[05:58] <spayne> but neither of those help
[05:58] <spayne> i have all the bits in my rules but it still fails
[05:58] <markuman> is it never mind if i upload amd64 or i386 packages in future to revu?
[05:59] <Yagisan> markuman: just the source packages
[05:59] <zakame> how big is a breezy buildd chroot made by debootstrap?
[05:59] <spayne> debian/rules:60: warning: overriding commands for target `patch-stamp'
[05:59] <spayne> /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make:26: warning: ignoring old commands for target `patch-stamp'
[05:59] <Yagisan> zakame: about 300MB unpacked
[05:59] <tseng> brandon@mario:~$ du -cksh /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz
[05:59] <tseng> 75M	/var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz
[06:00] <spayne> tseng: ah! please can you help me :-) i followed you howto and the man page for dpatch and it still fails
[06:00] <zakame> hmmm, so this'll take me all night sucking on dialup :(
[06:00] <spayne> tseng: i have include /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make just below #!/usr/bin/make -f in my debian/rules
[06:00] <tseng> no, i cant help you
[06:01] <spayne> tseng: why? :)
[06:01] <Yagisan> zakame: you don't have a breezy cd ? do you
[06:01] <tseng> we've given you several perfectly good docs
[06:01] <tseng> and
[06:01] <tseng> i think its twice now ive covered again here every item that you need
[06:01] <zakame> Yagisan: nope :(
[06:01] <zakame> and neither do I have access to broadband :(
[06:01] <markuman> damn, now i believe i did it wrong with my first package :-(
[06:02] <Yagisan> zakame: :( - when I did my hoary chroots - I told it to use my cd
[06:03] <Yagisan> zakame: are you already running breezy ?
[06:04] <zakame> Yagisan: yes, I could do that as well... nope, I'm still on hoary, actually, just newly installed :)
[06:05] <Yagisan> zakame: I was going to say - if you were running breezy - we could get debootstrap  to reuse your package cache
[06:05] <Yagisan> to save a big download
[06:06] <zakame> Yagisan: yeah, that would have been really convenient :D
[06:07] <Yagisan> markuman: don't worry - it's just a little mistake
[06:07] <spayne> well, at which point is that patch meant to be applied?
[06:07] <spayne> before or after configure?
[06:07] <Yagisan> spayne: that would depend on the patch
[06:08] <Yagisan> zakame: I feel you pain. I've only had "broadband" now for a few months
[06:08] <Yagisan> s/you/your
[06:08] <Yagisan> spayne: please look at eg deng 's debian/rules and compare it to your debian rules
[06:08] <spayne> according to tseng's blog posting
[06:09] <spayne> all i need to do is add include /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make to the top of the rules file
[06:09] <tseng> how many times did we tell you about adding rules yesterday
[06:09] <tseng> for patch/unpatch
[06:09] <spayne> i was half a sleep yesterday
[06:09] <spayne> i added patch/unpatch rules
[06:10] <tseng> then please go back and read the log
[06:10] <spayne> and they still failed
[06:10] <zakame> Yagisan: hopefully, I'll have DSL soon, or maybe wi-fi with a new laptop...
[06:10] <spayne> tseng: why are you giving me a hard time? i'm new and learning a lot atm and it is difficult to remember every single thing :)
[06:10] <tseng> spayne: i gave you a very easy time several times yesterday
[06:10] <tseng> and you are still here asking for a hand holding
[06:11] <tseng> after being pointed in all the right directions
[06:11] <tseng> patience is gone
[06:11] <zakame> spayne: 'tis always good to have a hipster pda around :))
[06:11] <Yagisan> zakame: I'm just on the limit for ADSL here, just a few more unit blocks over and I would stll be on dialup
[06:11] <Yagisan> s/stll/still
[06:12] <spayne> tseng: you can't ask docs for help though
[06:12] <zakame> waah!
[06:13] <spayne> zakame: lol
[06:14] <bddebian> Hmm, maybe I'll move off tseng 's shitlist now.. :-)
[06:14] <Yagisan> spayne: looking here http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/deng-0508231655/deng-1.8.9+1.9.0beta2/debian/rules
[06:14] <Yagisan> how does your rules differ ?
[06:15] <ivoks> bye all
[06:15] <ivoks> bye bddebian ;)
[06:15] <Yagisan> bye ivoks
[06:15] <bddebian> Later ivoks
[06:15] <spayne> by ivoks
[06:15] <spayne> Yagisan: that helps A LOT! thanks
[06:15] <Yagisan> spayne: I mentioned it like twice already now !
[06:17] <spayne> i've never used REVU before :)
[06:19] <Yagisan> spayne: well, that's where your packages will go through - before they go to Ubuntu
[06:19] <spayne> right
[06:20] <spayne> YES! IT WORKED
[06:20] <spayne> thanks guys
[06:20] <spayne> or not...
[06:20] <Yagisan> no worries
[06:21] <spayne> Yagisan: have fun :-)
[06:22] <Yagisan> spayne: yay - they have to be up and running for work in 4 hours
[06:23] <zakame> red bull as in the energy drink?
[06:23] <Yagisan> zakame: yes
[06:24] <Yagisan> its 2:30am here
[06:25] <zakame> oh, just a couple of hours in advance...
[06:25] <zakame> have fun then :)
[06:25] <spayne> oh yeh!
[06:25] <spayne> all done properly
[06:26] <spayne> resapplet is finished
[06:26] <spayne> dholbach: ping
[06:26] <dholbach> pong
[06:27] <spayne> dholbach: thanks to tseng and Yagisan, i have resapplet build properly with dpatch so i've put a new version for you to test (if you can) when you get a mo
[06:27] <tseng> yay
[06:27] <dholbach> spayne: please write a mail with the location... it's much more likely, i'll have a look at it then, i'm QUITE busy at the moment
[06:27] <spayne> kk
[06:27] <spayne> address@
[06:27] <spayne> address
[06:27] <spayne> address?
[06:27] <dholbach> spayne: dh@mailempfang.de
[06:28] <spayne> http://www.evolutioncolt.com/~spayne/packages/resapplet for all who want to test it out
[06:54] <spayne> \sh: yo
[06:55] <spayne> opinion people
[06:55] <spayne> i want to package up Browser Bookmarks Menu for Universe (http://browserbookapp.sourceforge.net/)
[06:55] <spayne> and i want some ideas on naming
[06:55] <spayne> the source package is browser-bookmarks-menu
[06:55] <spayne> shall i stick with it as a name?
[07:11] <seth_k> maybe gnome-bookmarks-menu ?
[07:13] <bddebian> Heya seth_k, \sh
[07:13] <seth_k> hi bddebian
[07:15] <\sh> grmpf
[07:17] <bddebian> \sh: grmpf?  What kind of greeting is that? :-)
[07:28] <bddebian> Where can I put install commands in rules in a cdbs package?
[07:28] <dholbach> you could deploy a <package>.install file
[07:29] <dholbach> or use  dh_install  in the ... *looking up* target
[07:29] <bddebian> dholbach: There's one already there
[07:29] <dholbach> doesnt work?
[07:29] <bddebian> But I didn't have any luck with that on my last attempt :-)
[07:29] <dholbach> install/<package>::
[07:32] <\sh> grmpf
[07:32] <\sh> somethings wrong with the router
[07:36] <spayne> need some MORE help :)
[07:36] <spayne> this is a different type of package
[07:37] <spayne> since there is no compiling needed
[07:37] <spayne> i need to copy a file into /usr/lib
[07:37] <spayne> so i put this in the rules file
[07:37] <spayne> install -m 755 browser-bookmarks-menu.py /usr/lib/browser-bookmarks-menu/browser-bookmarks-menu.py
[07:37] <spayne> and it failed with mkdir: cannot create directory `debian/browser-bookmarks-menu/usr/lib/browser-bookmarks-menu/': No such file or directory
[07:38] <dholbach> /usr/lib/.... will be on the building machine
[07:38] <dholbach> which is the build daemon
[07:39] <dholbach> nobody would like that :)
[07:39] <spayne> where i am going wrong?
[07:40] <dholbach> /usr/lib/bla is an absolute path on the building maching
[07:40] <dholbach> machine
[07:40] <spayne> right
[07:40] <dholbach> that's where you want to install a file to
[07:40] <dholbach> that's wrong
[07:41] <spayne> is there a man page or a docu page which will tell me the right thing?
[07:41] <dholbach> you can look at other python packages
[07:41] <dholbach> or read the debian documentation
[07:42] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTips has a couple of links that might be useful
[07:46] <bddebian> Anyone else get an FTBFS with enlightenment?
[07:48] <\sh> damn...only problems...
[07:48] <\sh> brb
[07:55] <dholbach> bddebian: which one? in the archive?
[07:55] <bddebian> dholbach: Aye
[07:55] <dholbach> some guy wanted to get us the new enlightenment
[07:55] <dholbach> bddebian: i'll try to build it
[07:55] <bddebian> Pukes on XineramaIsActive in rox.c
[07:57] <spayne> cdbs looks too complicated
[07:58] <dholbach> spayne: it's much easier, trust me
[07:58] <spayne> is cdbs meant to help me w/ the install thing?
[08:00] <dholbach> man dh_install - you will need it in the cdbs thing
[08:01] <dholbach> bddebian: build nicely for me - at least it's in the packaging stage
[08:01] <dholbach> bddebian: built
[08:02] <\sh> ok...wpa-psk + dhcp + madwifi == are not compatible in our shipped version
[08:02] <\sh> wpa-psk + static route + madwifi == works
[08:04] <ivoks> hi
[08:10] <bddebian> dholbach: The new one or the one in the archive?
[08:10] <bddebian> Bah, meeting :-(
[08:11] <dholbach> bddebian: in the archive
[08:24] <ivoks> hi alll
[08:24] <ivoks> lllllll :)
[08:24] <ivoks> one question... why do we build nvidia module upon start?
[08:37] <ivoks> wow
[08:37] <ivoks> nice move IBM :))
[08:37] <ivoks> lenovo will sell consumer PCs with Linux
[08:39] <dholbach> wow
[08:39] <dholbach> i mean i never installed windows on my laptop, but still :)
[08:40] <slomo> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/30/135259&from=rss
[08:40] <slomo> rofl
[08:41] <dholbach> YEAH! :)
[08:41] <dereks_> does htis mean i am going to start shoplifting?
[08:41] <dholbach> :-p
[08:42] <ivoks> dholbach: ?
[08:42] <slomo> sure... but shoplifting is for kids :P real man do bankrobbing ;)
[08:42] <dholbach> ivoks: he's one of the cheating and shoplifting guys
[08:43] <ivoks> dholbach: ? is for windows :)
[08:43] <ivoks> i don't bother browsing trough ./
[08:43] <dholbach> ivoks: ah ok... i got myself an ibm laptop, but i never used the silly windows on it :)
[08:43] <hub_> ivoks: including laptops?
[08:43] <hub_> dholbach: did you ask for a refund :-)
[08:43] <ivoks> hub_: HP sells laptops with ubuntu :)
[08:44] <hub_> ivoks: compaq?
[08:44] <ivoks> what else? :)
[08:44] <dholbach> hub_: i should have :)
[08:44] <hub_> ivoks: any or just selected crap?
[08:44] <slomo> ibooks are also good for running ubuntu ;)
[08:44] <ivoks> hub_: more important is where :)
[08:44] <ivoks> hub_: not in USA
[08:44] <hub_> my 5 yr old PowerBook is dying
[08:44] <ivoks> hub_: or canada...
[08:44] <dholbach> hub_: it's awesome, get it
[08:45] <hub_> slomo: no because of wireless
[08:45] <hub_> dholbach: yeah, but I miss cash for that
[08:45] <slomo> hub_: ok, good argument ;) but i have an usb wireless thing so...
[08:45] <dholbach> i got mine on ebay :)
[08:45] <hub_> dholbach: and it might beat my desktop
[08:45] <hub_> dholbach: that does not mean I have cash for that either
[08:45] <dholbach> the only thing i don't like about it, is that the disk is slow
[08:45] <ivoks> and RHCE :)
[08:45] <slomo> http://beta.news.com.com/Ubuntu+carves+niche+in+Linux+landscape/2100-7344_3-5886194.html?tag=nefd.lede
[08:45] <slomo> new article ;)
[08:45] <dholbach> but alright.. it's a laptop
[08:46] <hub_> ivoks: and does it cost less with ubuntu?
[08:47] <ivoks> hub_: what? HP?
[08:47] <hub_> ivoks: yep
[08:47] <ivoks> hub_: sure. you don't have to pay for a liscense
[08:47] <ivoks> license
[08:48] <hub_> ivoks: well, even Linux laptop sellers sells you a license of windows
[08:48] <ivoks> not in my country
[08:48] <Burgundavia> hub_, not some
[08:48] <hub_> Burgundavia: all the "good brand"
[08:49] <ivoks> slomo: jdub :)
[08:49] <slomo> ivoks: ?
[08:49] <ivoks> slomo: ...said Jeff Waugh
[08:49] <ivoks> slomo: on that link
[08:49] <slomo> ah... yes =)
[08:50] <ivoks> nice one!!!
[08:50] <ivoks> But the project most likely to benefit from Ubuntu's success is Debian
[09:09] <dholbach> have a nice evening
[09:09] <slomo> dholbach: you'll leave too?
[09:10] <\sh> cu dholbach have a nice one
[09:10] <dholbach> yep
[09:10] <dholbach> thank you
[09:10] <slomo> ok... then have a nice evening too :)
[09:11] <\sh> I'M installing warty now in vmware and upgrading to hoary and then to breezy
[09:11] <slomo> \sh: can you test something for me?
[09:12] <\sh> slomo: with warty? ;)
[09:12] <\sh> slomo: I'm trying to reproduce found bug http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16539
[09:13] <slomo> \sh: yes... install mono there and try if it works after everything in breezy :)
[09:13] <\sh> slomo: k
[09:13] <dereks_> how is the hoary->breezy on amd64... any major known problems?
[09:19] <bddebian> Bah dholbach, you can't go
[09:19] <dholbach> bddebian: why is that?
[09:19] <bddebian> dholbach: I wanna know how/why enlightenment built for you :-)
[09:19] <crimsun> ebuntu?
[09:20] <dholbach> bddebian: was on a amd64, maybe?
[09:20] <bddebian> Yours was?
[09:21] <dholbach> yes
[09:21] <bddebian> SHix, OK, thx
[09:21] <slomo> oh no :( eclipse fails on amd64...
[09:22] <bddebian> Damn, another bug I can't close then.. :-(
[09:23] <crimsun> slomo, (yes, I'm aware of transcode ftbfs on amd64, working on it.)
[09:23] <crimsun> &ppc
[09:23] <slomo> crimsun: eclipse not transcode :) but thanks for working on that :)
[09:24] <crimsun> trying to triage the whole ffmpeg mess
[09:29] <slomo> killing upstream might be the easier solution ;) this api/abi instability is annoying...
[09:30] <bddebian> Why does everything have to be a PITA?
[09:31] <slomo> bddebian: probably because we only remember the hard stuff... and the stuff that takes long
[09:37] <\sh> bah
[09:37] <\sh> 10 mins for warty security updates ,)
[09:43] <bddebian> aren't packages supposed to use gksudo instead of gksu?
[09:43] <slomo> yes... fix it ;)
[09:44] <bddebian> Well I discovered that while looking at a mime issue with gnome-apt
[09:44] <bddebian> but the gdeb.mime for that package looks whacky
[09:46] <bddebian> slomo: You know anything about .mime files?
[09:46] <slomo> not really
[10:07] <\sh> slomo: which mono app shuold I install on warty?
[10:08] <slomo> \sh: what do we have in warty? tomboy maybe
[10:08] <\sh> I'll check
[10:09] <\sh> slomo: no
[10:09] <\sh> orgnarf.
[10:10] <\sh> no
[10:10] <\sh> not there ;)
[10:10] <slomo> ok... tseng? what do we have in warty? =)
[10:10] <tseng> hm?
[10:10] <tseng> muine
[10:10] <tseng> whats the point here
[10:11] <slomo> seeing if mono works after updating from warty to breezy
[10:11] <slomo> as \sh already tests something else it won't hurt ;)
[10:11] <tseng> oh
[10:11] <tseng> ok
[10:11] <\sh> muine?
[10:12] <tseng> muine.
[10:12] <\sh> also not
[10:12] <dereks_> f-spot
[10:12] <\sh> not in warty(main+restricted+universe+multiverse)
[10:12] <\sh> nope
[10:12] <spayne> yo dereks_
[10:13] <dereks_> yo spayne
[10:13] <\sh> what was the name of this mono blog reader
[10:13] <\sh> ?
[10:13] <slomo> blam
[10:13] <dereks_> \sh: what about monodevelop
[10:14] <\sh> bingo..blam is in
[10:14] <\sh> slomo: thx
[10:27] <spayne> dholbach: ping
[10:27] <spayne> any MOTUs: ping
[10:36] <thesaltydog> spayne, why instead of pinging don't you try putting your question? Never know, someone could reply!
[10:37] <spayne> i need a MOTU to look at my packages for resapplet after they have been rebuilding with the help of dholbach
[10:37] <spayne> and upload them if possible as my GPG ain't signed yet
[10:40] <thesaltydog> spayne, you have to be patient and wait for a MOTU. They are quite overloaded in this period...
[10:41] <spayne> will do
[10:55] <markuman> ive got problems. ive build a package with debuilder. everything was fine and everything was generated. but with dpu name.changes he upload not the orig.tar.gz :-/ but he upload the .deb file
[10:56] <\sh> debuild -S -sa for generating .changes including sources
[10:56] <\sh> after this, pbuilder build package.dsc
[10:56] <\sh> to test the build of the package
[10:56] <\sh> and then you can upload ;)
[10:56] <\sh> and now I'm off to bed :)
[10:56] <markuman> hm \sh ok thx i will try!
[10:57] <markuman> gn8 \sh
[10:57] <\sh> we will get new hp servers tomorrow delivered from frankfurt to our dc...and we have to rackmount them, configure them, test them and going to bed with them :(
[10:58] <\sh> cu tomorrow evening somehow
[11:00] <markuman> hm debuild -S -sa dont has generate a orig.tar.gz. only a programmname.tar.gz - is it ok or still wrong?
[11:02] <thesaltydog> markuman, debuild -S -sa will not "generate" the orig.tar.gz, you must have it. It will include it in upload.
[11:04] <markuman> thesaltlydog, hm. the orig.tar.gz is the original source from website or a new copy from the src on my hdd?
[11:04] <markuman> something runs wrong to me today :-/
[11:12] <thesaltydog> markuman, http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#maint-guide
[11:16] <markuman> thx
[11:22] <bddebian> Later gang
[11:42] <zyga> hello
[11:42] <markuman> hi
[11:42] <zyga> anyone with 3d accelleration willing to confirm a bug?
[11:42] <zyga> apt-get install celestia
[12:01] <AstralJava> zyga: Done, then what?
[12:01] <zyga> AstralJava: please run it from the terminal
[12:01] <zyga> AstralJava: it segfaults for me
[12:01] <AstralJava> zyga: Many, many errors.
[12:02] <AstralJava> It's a KDE app?
[12:02] <zyga> what kind of graphic card you have?
[12:02] <zyga> AstralJava: no, neither