[12:03] <blackflag> and using the package from vidiolan.org
[12:04] <apokryphos> blackflag: you want the marillat repos then; use them at your own peril :)
[12:04] <apokryphos> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main
[12:04] <blackflag> How can I get such information ?
[12:04] <pipegeek> Hi, folks.  I'm just wondering--how is it, exactly, that kdesktop determines whether or not there is a CD present in the CD-ROM drive?  It used to be until yesterday that there would be no icon on the desktop for the cd drive until there was a disk inserted.  Last night, I had to hit the reset button on this machine, and when I finally logged in again, there were icons on the desktop for both drives, even though neither contained media.
[12:06] <apokryphos> blackflag: what information?
[12:06] <blackflag> or is it a mystery?
[12:06] <blackflag> tto know what server i have to puzt in the list
[12:06] <apokryphos> blackflag: I pasted it above
[12:06] <blackflag> yes, but where you get the information?
[12:07] <pipegeek> Using hoary, btw.
[12:07] <pipegeek> x86
[12:07] <apokryphos> blackflag: it's common knowledge to debian users, but some time ago marillat was used on ubuntu too, so that's how I know...
[12:08] <blackflag> IO have a good book here but it isnt discribed
[12:10] <blackflag> so, where i get this!? common knowledge?
[12:14] <apokryphos> blackflag: what are you talking about? I gave you the source above
[12:24] <toran> hey guys, how do I set the default GTK fonts in kubuntu?
[12:39] <Tm_T> oh great
[12:39] <Tm_T> :'(
[12:40] <Spudchat> hi everyone
[12:41] <Spudchat> is there like a pop up blocker for konqueror?
[12:41] <kalenedrael> There ought to be. Go to 'Configure Konqueror...'
[12:41] <Tm_T> konqi has it
[12:53] <peersoft> i downloaded kubuntu ;D
[12:53] <peersoft> will be installin when i get home
[01:11] <Lord_Athur> Hi
[01:11] <Lord_Athur> I've a question
[01:15] <Lord_Athur> :S
[01:16] <Lord_Athur> Can you tell me something, please?
[01:16] <Lord_Athur> :d
[01:18] <apokryphos> !helpme
[01:18] <ubotu> If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[01:18] <Leshrac> Lord_Athur: you should ask your question, someone might answer
[01:18] <Lord_Athur> :D
[01:18] <Lord_Athur> thanks
[01:19] <Lord_Athur> well, I use kubuntu and this cannot install wine with apt-get sistem
[01:19] <Lord_Athur> I should I do?
[01:20] <Leshrac> how's that you can't?
[01:20] <apokryphos> !wine
[01:20] <apokryphos> gah; too long again
[01:20] <apokryphos> !tell Lord_Athur about wine
[01:21] <Leshrac> let me check that
[01:21] <Leshrac> !tell leshrac about wine
[01:22] <Lord_Athur> apokryphos, thanks
[01:22] <Lord_Athur> >:D
[01:23] <apokryphos> np
[01:26] <tu> Hello,
[01:26] <tu> I just installed kplayer and Im not able to play vob-files dvd's
[01:27] <tu> I cant find information to play that
[01:27] <tu> I see only that kplayer should play such files
[01:27] <tu> can someone give me a hint?
[01:31] <MachineScrew> i am having a problem with my usplash
[02:02] <ToyMan> anyone get skype to work in kubuntu?
[02:03] <apokryphos> !skype
[02:03] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/, or deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[02:03] <ToyMan> heh
[02:04] <ToyMan> thanks
[02:04] <ToyMan> "This page does not exist yet"  maybe no thanks...;-)
[02:04] <apokryphos> it's the blasted comman in the URL there that ruins it
[02:05] <ToyMan> ah
[02:05] <ToyMan> ok
[02:05] <apokryphos> ubotu: no skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ or deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[02:05] <ubotu> okay, apokryphos
[02:05] <ToyMan> Enlightened Sound Daemon???
[02:06] <ToyMan> is that what you folks are using?
[02:07] <hydrogen> no
[02:10] <ToyMan> the whole sound in linux thing has me very confused... ALSA  / Jack / Open / ESD
[02:10] <Lord_Athur> hello
[02:11] <Lord_Athur> Ubuntu-es
[02:11] <Lord_Athur> Is this cannel por spanish persons really?
[02:12] <apokryphos> #ubuntu-es is, yes
[02:12] <apokryphos> (or #kubuntu-es )
[02:12] <Lord_Athur> ok
[02:12] <Lord_Athur> well apokryphos, do you know vmware?
[02:12] <apokryphos> nope
[02:12] <Lord_Athur> I've a question about the program
[02:12] <Lord_Athur> oki
[02:14] <peersoft> tryin to burn the kubuntu image (iso) to CD using Nero 6 - but its burning the ISO meaning it wont be bootable - how do i burn this shit?
[02:15] <`Nomad> don't burn shit, it stinks.. 
[02:15] <peersoft> lmao
[02:15] <`Nomad> In nero, find "burn image" in the menu
[02:15] <peersoft> =x
[02:15] <`Nomad> under recorder maybe
[02:15] <peersoft> but it dont show the stuff that it needs
[02:15] <peersoft> it shows the ISO only
[02:15] <peersoft> usually the iso will show the files in it
[02:15] <peersoft> before burning
[02:15] <`Nomad> really?
[02:16] <`Nomad> never noticed that before
[02:16] <peersoft> yea..
[02:16] <`Nomad> it's there anyway, are you stre your ISO is ok?
[02:16] <`Nomad> sure
[02:16] <peersoft> well I burnt one
[02:16] <peersoft> and it showed the ISO when i popped it back in
[02:16] <peersoft> yea im sure
[02:16] <peersoft> i got it from kubuntu site
[02:16] <`Nomad> ok, then speak to your nero people :)
[02:16] <peersoft> could i extract with winRar
[02:16] <peersoft> and burn normally?
[02:16] <peersoft> or would it not work
[02:16] <`Nomad> dunno
[02:17] <peersoft> kubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso - ISO9660 archive, unpacked size 594,558,526 bytes
[02:17] <peersoft> yea it works
[02:17] <peersoft> I just viewed files w/ winrar
[02:17] <peersoft> no erros
[02:24] <peersoft> ok usally yall help
[02:24] <peersoft> ;x
[02:35] <TokenBad> is something wrong with the sound in kubuntu?
[02:38] <DaSkreech> Would it be possible to install 3.5 after Kubuntu comes out?
[02:38] <DaSkreech> Just apt-get KDE3.5 et al?
[04:21] <libben> http://www.vertical-visions.com/_temp/postagepaid/index2.html
[04:23] <Lord_Athur> hi again
[04:28] <Lord_Athur> hi
[05:04] <cooterlove> in gnome you have nautilus scripts wich i love  but i switched to KDE   does kde have something similer?
[05:39] <cyne> wb all
[05:54] <ksmurf> hello all
[05:54] <douglas> has anyone had any luck with wlassistant 0.5.4?
[05:55] <douglas> I can't get the deb to install, it says I have unmet dependencies, but I checked them and their installed.
[05:56] <ksmurf> I've just decided that I should give kde a chance.  I've been using gnome since I came to linux (UBUNTU) and want to know what all this KDE vs Gnome stuff is about so I'm giving kubuntu a chance.  Are the many differences?
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> ksmurf: kde is a windows ripoff, gnome is an apple rip off ;)
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> *ducks*
[05:59] <ksmurf> KK rofl...... The idea of imatation instead of inovation is a little out of the linux ideal is it not?
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, it is. 
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> kde has a single 'k' icon you press to get a menu, like windows 'start'
[06:00] <ksmurf> That explains the blue
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> however kde is skinable/themeable (properly), and has way more features
[06:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont use it a lot, so i cant realy sell it to you :)
[06:01] <ksmurf> Cool.... I just heard arron on TLLTS this week and figured I should try it.... 
[06:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats that?
[06:01] <ksmurf> Linux link tech show
[06:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah ok
[06:02] <s3rp3nt>  I have a server that is being put on a 10Mbs Fiber connection on monday... Who do i need to contact to offer a mirror?
[06:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> im not  a big kde fan myself, but its certainly not a piece of crap :)
[06:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> s3rp3nt: check at ubuntu.com, i cant be any more help then that :(
[06:03] <ksmurf> brb ..... I just did a dist upgrade and want to reboot. brb
[06:03] <s3rp3nt> ubuntu.com?
[06:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh. allmost all (k)ubuntus packages are on the same mirrors - archive.ubuntu.com
[06:05] <Stricklin> I cannot locate the x11 directory suggested in http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[06:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> which one Stricklin?
[06:06] <Stricklin> x11
[06:06] <Stricklin> I suppose I could search for the file xorg.conf
[06:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> its X11
[06:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> * /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> Stricklin: linux is case sensitive
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbs
[06:08] <Stricklin> Oh I see, yeah, that got it
[06:08] <Stricklin> bbs?
[06:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> be back soon
[06:10] <Stricklin> ah
[06:11] <Stricklin> Should 'sudo nano /usr/share/applications/NVIDIA-Settings.desktop' create a new file?
[06:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure. 
[06:12] <Stricklin> Must be
[06:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> and im not on my desktop, so i dont have an nvidia card to check with :(
[06:13] <Stricklin> Why does KUDOS keep referring to GNOME instead of KDE?
[06:13] <Stricklin> Oh...
[06:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> *shrug* whats kudos? it might be abug
[06:13] <kianziack> hello any one know how tomake my open office faster
[06:13] <Stricklin> Unbuntu, not Kubuntu
[06:14] <kianziack> hello any one know how to make my open office faster loading
[06:14] <Stricklin> http://kudos.berlios.de/
[06:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> kianziack: no
[06:14] <kianziack> sob T_T
[06:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/
[06:22] <jmg> guys where is the svn:// kioslave in kde?
[06:26] <cyne> svn?
[06:26] <jmg> subversion
[06:30] <cyne> ?
[06:39] <Kaiser_away> cyne: its version management system
[06:39] <Kaiser_away> wb Stricklin
[06:40] <Stricklin> thanks
[06:40] <Stricklin> just trying new stuff out
[06:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool.
[06:41] <cyne> ok
[06:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[06:42] <jmg> anyone got breezy kvpnc to work?
[06:42] <jmg> or pptp in general?
[06:42] <god-zero> kianziack: there's ooqstart-gnome... that loads most of it a login. I haven't tried it
[06:45] <god-zero> kianziack: looks like the oo2 install comes with ooqstark-gnome & ooqstart-kde.
[06:46] <insanekane> yes, it preloads a copy of OOo into memory
[06:46] <kianziack> eerr dont jave any idea
[06:47] <kianziack> eerr dont have any idea
[06:47] <insanekane> i personally, don't feel it is particularly fast ...
[06:47] <insanekane> but there are other ways to speed up OOo
[06:47] <kianziack> god-zero:  have you try install crossover office?
[06:47] <cyne> how would you compare windows threading to linux threading?
[06:47] <insanekane> look in Options, and for Memory settings
[06:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> cyne: in what way?
[06:48] <cyne> quality wise
[06:48] <god-zero> no, infact I can't find 00qstart-kde... It clames it in the package, but I can't find it on my system
[06:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> but do you mean for a P4, or aplication threading? either way its about the same afaik, but i think linux is better for the p4
[06:49] <cyne> well as in multitasking
[06:49] <kianziack> any one help me install BitLord_1.1.exe] 
[06:49] <cyne> applications yeah
[06:50] <Stricklin> Why do things like my title bars and scroll bars and such turn into garbage pixels after a couple of minutes after logging on?
[06:50] <god-zero> cyne: they're way different iirc.. can't remember the details, but are totally different modes
[06:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> cyne: runny with the smp kernel under linux i got way better encoding results. cant realy comment about games
[06:51] <god-zero> thread based vs object based or some such
[06:52] <god-zero> scheduling seems much better than windows
[06:54] <Stricklin> I'm starting to get pissed off at this ~>:|
[06:55] <Stricklin> Anyone else use nVidia drivers and have/had similar problems?
[06:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> not me
[07:06] <helpme> help me......i have to take an imp decision for my sweet pc:)
[07:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> the power cable
[07:07] <helpme> should i do a fresh install of kanotix or kubuntu? previous install is all messed up!
[07:08] <god-zero> Kamping_Kaiser: What's better? linux or windows?
[07:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> god-zero: imo linux, but it wins on idealogical basis, not a technical one
[07:09] <god-zero> We're obviously into kubuntu, but that depends on what you want, your hardware...
[07:09] <helpme> god-zero: my hardware is good for both of them.....
[07:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats kanotix based on?
[07:10] <god-zero> deb, via knoppix iirc
[07:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok.
[07:10] <helpme> kanotix is based on debian...its 99% pure debian:)
[07:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) :O
[07:12] <god-zero> I don't see areason not to recommend either, As far as kubuntu breezy is concerned... it's getting pretty stable now
[07:12] <helpme> god-zero: ive heard that kubuntu is not fully compatible with all deb packages....is that true? whats bootup time for kubuntu on ur pc?
[07:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> its not fully compatible, thats true
[07:12] <helpme> i only have kubuntu hoary...and talking abt that......
[07:13] <god-zero> They re-sync every 6 months so it doesn't get too out of hand. Few packages are incompatable
[07:14] <helpme> what does re-sync mean? in kubuntu can i install things like mplayer etc? opera?
[07:15] <crimsun> helpme, yes, you can.
[07:16] <helpme> in kubuntu can i upgrade to kde 3.4.2 without expecting probs?
[07:16] <god-zero> Most .debs are in universe or multiverse. They're usually raw .debs ifaikt
[07:16] <god-zero> hoary, yes.. breezy built in by default
[07:17] <helpme> how fast does kubuntu boot on ur pcs? rough estimates? i mean till the kdm appears......
[07:18] <helpme> are the kubuntu repos huge enough? what other repos i'll need to add?
[07:18] <god-zero> my celeron... ???    Not quite as fast a windows.. (1 minute from post to desktop & aps loaded)? I haven't timed it
[07:19] <god-zero> merrilat or how ever you spell that for some codecs. I get by on main and universe just fine
[07:19] <helpme> when kubuntu breezy releases, will i be able to do an update with the cd? without having to lose any extra stuff (like biology packages) ive installed? and without internet?
[07:20] <helpme> and without any probs?
[07:20] <god-zero> yes. I believe so
[07:20] <crimsun> yes, you can.
[07:20] <helpme> hmm..thats good....i wont lose all my imp stuff like bioinformatics packages ive installed..
[07:21] <helpme> plz give me links for good kubuntu documentation..and how to add more repos etc??
[07:22] <god-zero> you sound like a candidate for backup
[07:22] <crimsun> helpme, there's a lot of information on kubuntu.org, and also see the Ubuntu wiki
[07:22] <god-zero> !tell helpme about repositories
[07:22] <kurt> helpme: ubuntuguide.org is a decent start as well
[07:23] <helpme> hmmm..thanks guys:)
[07:23] <kurt> just installed kubuntu today for first time and first time on debian and all is working pretty well so far.
[07:23] <god-zero> kurt: breezy or hoary?
[07:23] <kurt> god-zero: hoary right now.  probably wait for the final breezy later this month.
[07:24] <helpme> hey but one prob my friend had i remember....whenever he tried installing gaim via kynaptic........it asked for the ubuntu cd!! whats this!?
[07:24] <helpme> i dont have ubuntu cd....any way to get around this prob.....
[07:24] <god-zero> not all the packages are installed from the cd by default
[07:24] <cyne> did he have internet access?
[07:25] <helpme> im talking abt kubuntu...not ubuntu..
[07:25] <cyne> i know
[07:25] <helpme> yes he had internet...still kynaptic asked for ubuntu cd
[07:25] <god-zero> comment out the "deb ... ... hdc" line in sources.list
[07:26] <helpme> then i wont need ubuntu cd for installing gaim, right?
[07:26] <kurt> the whole locked root account is different.  Ive actually unlocked it for just because it was bothering me.
[07:26] <god-zero> It should look for it in main then
[07:27] <god-zero> Most of us unlock it... then realize we didn't need too
[07:27] <god-zero> just requires adjustment
[07:27] <kurt> yeah, once I have everything all configured to my liking I may switch back I suppose.
[07:28] <helpme> how do i get rid of sudo forever and create standard root account?
[07:28] <helpme> after installing kubuntu..
[07:28] <god-zero> sudo passwd root
[07:28] <kurt> sudo passwd root
[07:28] <kurt> then set a root password and that is it.
[07:28] <helpme> that will do the job?
[07:28] <kurt> yep
[07:28] <BlankB> better to keep sudo and do: sudo -s    to get a root shell.
[07:29] <helpme> thx
[07:29] <god-zero> that'll set the password and in that act, enable root
[07:29] <kurt> the root account is just locked initially
[07:29] <helpme> kurt: how do i unlock it?
[07:29] <god-zero> It's best to leave it tho
[07:29] <kurt> helpme: with the sudo passwd root command
[07:29] <helpme> ok
[07:30] <kurt> i just learned all this today myself
[07:30] <kurt> so I'm right there with you.
[07:31] <helpme> one more thing....i do have ubuntu cd...should i install ubuntu...and then kubuntu via the kubuntu cd....or first kubuntu then gnome apps with ubuntu cd..........which route would take the least bandwidth?
[07:31] <kurt> the pain the arss I've had so far is finding things like dvdcss and the win32codecs.  Not hard to find in the forums though
[07:33] <helpme> gnome apps include firefox, gimp n gaim,,,,
[07:33] <kurt> well if you the cds for both i would just use that.
[07:33] <helpme> kurt: what wud u install 1st?
[07:33] <helpme> to save bandwidth??
[07:34] <kurt> well I'm more of a kde user so installed the kubuntu cd first and updated.  Then i just did apt-get install ubunut-desktop to get the gnome desktop and main gnome apps.
[07:34] <helpme> ok i'll do that
[07:34] <helpme> hey anyone knows about freerock gnome? is it a gnome theme? or a diff gnome?
[07:35] <kurt> don't know
[07:36] <helpme> its a kde-looking gnome theme i guess
[07:37] <kurt> might as well just use kde then.
[07:38] <helpme> but i find gnome faster thats why...othewise im a kde fan too
[07:38] <helpme> what packages will i need to install to easily compile kde apps?
[07:39] <Stricklin> In a stock Kubuntu, how do I burn an ISO file onto a CD?
[07:39] <kurt> Stricklin: probably just do cdrecord from the command line
[07:39] <Stricklin> K3b?
[07:39] <Stricklin> oh
[07:39] <kurt> or k3b would probably work as well
[07:40] <helpme> anyone used wine succesfully in kubuntu??
[07:40] <helpme> and ran few windoze apps?
[07:40] <BlankB> yes.
[07:41] <kurt> i've just used crossover office and that works real well.
[07:41] <kurt> but its not free either.
[07:42] <cyne> why not just get vmware?
[07:42] <kurt> expensive plus a hog.  but if those are issues then vmware 5 is pretty good.
[07:42] <kurt> aren't that is.
[07:45] <helpme> what packages will i need to install to easily compile kde apps?
[07:46] <kurt> anyone found deb packages for the meanwhile libraries?
[08:04] <cyne> is VMWare commercial?
[08:05] <ksmurf> well that sucked.....  Wifi is a much bigger pain inkubuntu than ubuntu
[08:10] <ksmurf> is thre anybody out there ?
[08:19] <pussfeller> wine is free
[08:19] <pussfeller> wine will run office just as good as crossover
[08:20] <pussfeller> or close
[08:40] <helpme> help me!
[08:40] <helpme> can i install kubuntu with the iso on hard disk and without cd??
[08:40] <helpme> if yes, how?
[09:11] <muddi_78> huhu,guten morgen!!!jemand zuhause ???
[09:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> #kubuntu-de
[09:19] <mornfall> Riddell: dude, what happened to adept RC?
[09:19] <mornfall> Riddell: should i build the packages myself and upload? 6th october is complete breezy freeze
[09:20] <mornfall> Riddell: (upload as in pdx.freedesktop.org/~mornfall repo)
[09:36] <PiRX[lv] > hi all! Does anyone know something about KDE error "Couldn't start process. Cant talk to klauncher"?
[09:37] <PiRX[lv] > happening on kubuntu 5.04 
[09:37] <PiRX[lv] > KDE 3.5b1
[09:37] <incubii> no idea
[09:38] <PiRX[lv] > hmm... will try removing .kde directory
[09:38] <PiRX[lv] > but this happens for clean test user too
[09:41] <incubii> what are you doing when taht error occurs
[09:42] <PiRX[lv] > incubii: just loging into kdm
[09:42] <PiRX[lv] > and looks like .kde remove didn't help
[09:44] <incubii> maybe check the kde logs ?
[09:45] <PiRX[lv] > where are kde logs located (by default)
[09:47] <incubii> maybe /var/log ?
[09:47] <_nicole> ujxkvzhzri
[09:47] <muddi_78> huhu
[09:48] <nalioth> PiRX[lv] : never REMOVE things, just MOVE them
[09:48] <_nicole> jetzt funktionierts. Hey baby
[09:48] <PiRX[lv] > nalioth: thanks for advice ;)
[09:48] <muddi_78> huhu na endlich ich dachte schon,du wrst blond...
[09:48] <_nicole> arschloch
[09:49] <nalioth> hey hey thats not nice
[09:49] <mornfall> nalioth: can i remove things if i have libtrash preloaded? :P
[09:49] <PiRX[lv] > looks like my KDE is gone mad
[09:49] <PiRX[lv] > :(
[09:49] <nalioth> mornfall: have no clue what libtrash is
[09:49] <mornfall> nalioth: apt-cache show libtrash
[09:50] <_nicole> schnucki bist noch da ?
[09:50] <muddi_78> na lego
[09:51] <_nicole> hast du gut geschlafen?
[09:51] <muddi_78> eher nicht...(-:
[09:51] <nalioth> mornfall: read the libtrash manpage to see how to remove things from it (or bypass it)
[09:51] <_nicole> wieso? 
[09:51] <muddi_78> ...kennsasja...
[09:52] <_nicole> hast die nacht vorm rechner verbracht?
[09:52] <mornfall> uhh, 5.0G    /home/mornfall/trash
[09:52] <mornfall> i'll need to empty the trash ;-)
[09:53] <Hy_BoT> hi. Does anybody can tell me how can I achieve media support in Kubuntu? It doesn't play any media files. Trying to install codecs via "sudo app-get", but it didn't work out. Why there no biult-in codecs like in Mandriva, where media support is just great without additional installation?
[09:53] <muddi_78> jo...hm nehm mal bitte den chat von mir an...
[09:53] <_nicole> was wie wo
[09:54] <muddi_78> irgendwo muss da dcc chat stehen
[09:55] <mornfall> muddi_78: what about /query?
[09:55] <_nicole> wo
[09:55] <mornfall> muddi_78: /dcc needs unfirewalled connection
[09:56] <_nicole> hab keine zeit mehr zu gucken, muss mich fertig machen
[09:56] <muddi_78> geh mal bitte ein reiter weiter d.h. neues kleines fenster mit namen #_nicole 
[09:58] <muddi_78> meine betrete neuen channel im #kubuntu reiter 
[09:59] <_nicole> wir sprechen uns noch, Alex kommt gleich
[10:00] <ztonzy> is this a english language channel or other :) ?
[10:01] <crimsun_> English afaik
[10:03] <nalioth> there are other channels for other languages
[10:06] <nikkia> hmmm
[10:07] <nalioth> nikkia: howdy
[10:08] <inc|freaky> hey nalioth :D
[10:08] <inc|freaky> nalioth: i really luv kubuntu now :D
[10:09] <nalioth> inc|freaky: i'm glad. now only about 15 more DMs to go
[10:09] <inc|freaky> DMs?
[10:11] <nalioth> desktop manglers...enlightenment, xfce4, blackbox, fluxbox, ratpoison, and on and aon
[10:21] <god-zero> why don't they like away msgs /nics in #ubuntu
[10:23] <ztonzy> god-zero, maybe they aren't registered ?
[10:23] <ztonzy> I think they only like registered nicks in #ubuntu , maybe due to lots of spambots
[10:23] <inc|freaky> ah awkay
[10:24] <nalioth> god-zero: because of the needless crap the /away msgs produce
[10:25] <ztonzy> nalioth, I think he means like nick|messgeges-here...
[10:25] <ztonzy> when you do that...your nick aren't registered anymore
[10:26] <ztonzy> well registered maybe, but not logged in
[10:26] <nalioth> ztonzy: some /away scripts needlessly flood the channel whenever a persons nick is mentioned
[10:27] <ztonzy> nalioth, ah yes that too
[10:28] <nalioth> ztonzy: we have lots of bad habits from our experience from the wild untamed IRCnets
[10:29] <ztonzy> nalioth, "we" ? are you a Op somewhere?
[10:29] <god-zero> still doesn't seem like that big of a deal verses knowing mrx is away by looking at his nic
[10:30] <nalioth> ztonzy: those of us that are old enough to have been ircing for years and years
[10:31] <nalioth> god-zero: nick changes are not a problem
[10:31] <ztonzy> nalioth, I see...I am not very young, but just been irc-ing since 2002
[10:31] <nalioth> that is a problem ^^^
[10:34] <god-zero> I've prolly spent more time in here in the last week or so than all the rest of my irc time put together.. so I'm trying to learn the protocols
[10:35] <nalioth> ubotu: tell god-zero about conduct
[10:53] <spiral> hi
[10:54] <god-zero> hey
[11:01] <blackflag> Hello all :-)
[11:01] <blackflag> Im going crazy to get mplayer run to play vob dvd movies
[11:02] <blackflag> All what I get is file not found when I try to start the movie over console
[11:02] <blackflag> Can someone help me?
[11:03] <blackflag> mplayer ..path to movie
[11:03] <blackflag> file not found
[11:03] <blackflag> how could this be?
[11:04] <blackflag> and the patrh is correct
[11:04] <crimsun_> are you following the example syntax used in mplayer's man page?
[11:04] <blackflag> I tried it serveral times
[11:04] <blackflag> no
[11:12] <spiral> hmmm, why isn't amarok 1.3.2 in official main tree of breezy although it has been built by Riddell ?
[11:13] <crimsun_> because our release managers have not approved 1.3.2
[11:14] <crimsun_> main was essentially frozen already when 1.3.2 was released
[11:17] <inc|freaky> crimsun_: that means 1.3.2 will not be released with breezy?
[11:17] <crimsun_> inc|freaky, more than likely.
[11:18] <inc|freaky> lemme check the changelog ^^
[11:27] <bazan> my openoffice don't know how to print spcial caractre.
[11:27] <bazan> what should I do to fix it
[11:28] <bazan> eg : an 'e' with accent is printed as a square
[11:39] <god-zero> bazan: I don't have a clue how to fix it, but this is a common problem across aps, I _think_ it has to do with character mapping in utf8 vs whatever not getting translated correctly.
[11:39] <god-zero> Check your i18n packages
[11:40] <bazan> yes but wich one the kde one?
[11:42] <god-zero> kde-18n-(isolanguagecode) and the like
[11:42] <bazan> this one is already uptodate
[11:46] <god-zero> oo is a special case, it's java using gtk iirc. Try to open it in a kde native app (ie kate or koffice) and compare the special charactors
[11:46] <nalioth> oOo is not one of my fave programs
[11:46] <bazan> me too but it is the only one really able to open MSOffice format
[11:46] <incubii> cant do the simple macros i require :(
[11:47] <nalioth> msoffice bah
[11:50] <kane> hello all
[11:50] <jol> Hello every one ! I've installed kubuntu, and i think it's a really great linux distribution ! Good work !
[12:00] <obontu> i  can't seem to find avidemux2 on synaptic, and i know it's been there before. are there some repositories i can it on
[12:00] <konsolebox> excuse me
[12:00] <konsolebox> i have accidentally removed some files from /var/cache/apt/archives and apt-get seems to require my cd whenever i wanted to install a package
[12:00] <konsolebox> is there a way to do downloading the files instead of using my cd.. i lost the cd
[12:00] <apokryphos> konsolebox: comment-out the CD source in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:01] <konsolebox> ok
[12:01] <obontu> which source has avi demux? i don't have it on my list from some reason
[12:02] <konsolebox> thanks apokryphos
[12:02] <konsolebox> have to go
[12:04] <god-zero> obontu: I use the ffmpeg packages for avis
[12:04] <obontu> ?
[12:05] <obontu> i wanna edit avis, not watch them
[12:05] <nikkia> morning apokryphos
[12:05] <apokryphos> hey
[12:05] <nikkia> obontu: there is no easy way to 'edit' AVIs per se
[12:05] <obontu> i just need avidemux
[12:05] <obontu> and i can't find it on synaptic
[12:05] <obontu> i know it's supposed to be there
[12:05] <obontu> i've seen it before
[12:06] <nikkia> obontu: transcode, ffmpeg and mencoder can do simple tasks such as ripping out frame ranges, demux/mux, and re-encoding tasks (cropping, resizing, frame-rate rejiggles, etc), but there is no easy to use editor, like, say virtualdub, that works directly on avis
[12:07] <god-zero> obontu: try avifile-utils
[12:07] <nikkia> (note the wording there, there *are* video editors for linux, none of them work directly on avis tho, to my knowledge, they all require that the videos be in some esoteric format, and thus use of something like transcode or ffmpeg to convert to/from this editable format)
[12:07] <nalioth> nikkia: howdo?
[12:07] <obontu> i don't want it
[12:07] <obontu> i want avidemux
[12:08] <obontu> where is the repo which has it?
[12:08] <inc|freaky> im trying to record something with my microphone but it just doesnt work it doesnt record anything ... i selected the mic as record device ... recording volume is up ... any ideas?
[12:08] <nikkia> morning nalioth
[12:10] <konsolebox> another question pls
[12:10] <konsolebox> do u know how to activate direct rendering?
[12:10] <konsolebox> i already upgraded xserver-xorg-driver-ati.. done restarting pc and no work yet.. 'glxinfo | grep "direct rendering" = no'
[12:12] <konsolebox> ummm.. is there a 3d setup?
[12:13] <god-zero> obontu: look in Marillat's repo
[12:14] <obontu> what's Marillat's repo?
[12:14] <nalioth> god-zero: please dont do that
[12:14] <obontu> why not?
[12:14] <nalioth> obontu: marillat CAN (and very possibly) wreck you box 
[12:14] <obontu> ah ok
[12:15] <obontu> so maybe you can tell me where can i find avidemux?
[12:15] <nalioth> obontu: you might try to enable "SOURCE" marillat repos and build what you need
[12:15] <nalioth> obontu: but i strongly recommend AGAINST using marillat binary repos
[12:16] <obontu> ok i don't want them
[12:16] <obontu> but i want avidemux
[12:16] <obontu> i know it's somewhere on synaptic
[12:16] <god-zero> that's prolly where you had it from before. Many have compiled it from there and posted the binarys here-and-there
[12:16] <obontu> i don't have it now for some reason
[12:16] <god-zero> it's not in ubuntu
[12:16] <obontu> it is
[12:16] <obontu> i've seen it before
[12:17] <god-zero> search ubuntu forums.org for it... see what i meen
[12:18] <obontu> ok
[12:18] <obontu> ok so maybe you can tell me where does spidermonkey installs to? i need it to compile it, i've d/led it but i need to specify the path but i can't find it
[12:19] <nalioth> spidermonkey?
[12:19] <god-zero> ? i'm not sure i wanna know
[12:20] <obontu> i'm sure
[12:20] <obontu> java sript or something
[12:21] <god-zero> if you remember the file name (or most of it) type in cli: locate partial-name-of-file-i-lost
[12:22] <obontu> cli?
[12:22] <god-zero> command prompt, lice konsole
[12:22] <god-zero> like
[12:24] <arwate> i saw once a kde program that plugged itself into the notification area with the randr options, but can't find anything that describes itself as such a thing in breezy. does anybody know which program i mean?
[12:26] <god-zero> arwate: krandrtray
[12:27] <arwate> perfect. thx
[12:27] <god-zero> np
[12:34] <helpme> hiya
[12:35] <god-zero> hi again
[12:36] <kasim> Hi, I have a slightly OT question: How should I print simple HTML-pages via batch? [Under kubuntu breezy.] 
[12:40] <seaLne> kasim: if they are simple and you only want the text something like "lynx -dump http://kubuntu.org |lpr"
[12:40] <helpme> help i am not able to mount windoze partitions
[12:41] <kasim> they are very simple, and dont even have to be HTML, but some form of rich text. A remote app is also ok. but lynx? I hardly no it and it seems big ... do you have one more hint?
[12:42] <seaLne> not sure what you mean by lynx being big
[12:42] <god-zero> helpme: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1886.html
[12:42] <nalioth> ubotu: tell helpme about windowsdrives
[12:43] <kasim> seaLne: i wrote nonsense, forget it. I need text AND some "rich text"
[12:43] <seaLne> maybe smething with konq and dcop?
[12:43] <kasim> seaLne: i mixed up tex and lynx (I use links sometimes)
[12:44] <seaLne> links will do the same as lynx
[12:44] <nalioth> links2 has graphical capability
[12:44] <kasim> konq and dcop, i was thinking too, not very simple. in the older days there was a2ps, but that uses netscape
[12:44] <god-zero> html2text
[12:45] <kasim> I have a Python app, which needs to create litte paper reciepts (bills). They should be with some rich text attributes like fonts, bold etc.
[12:46] <kasim> may be konq and dcop is over engeniered. 
[12:46] <seaLne> you could generate pdfs?
[12:47] <god-zero> html2ps
[12:48] <kasim> actually i really dont need PDFs. My app creates some data, which i'd like to print as a sort of bill, but nice looking not text only
[12:49] <helpme> nalioth: thanks dude....but i have a reiserfs hda6 partition..how to set that in fstab?
[12:50] <nalioth> helpme: not sure the settins for reiser. see "man fstab" 
[12:50] <seaLne> kasim: have you thought about just generating postscript?
[12:51] <kasim> seaLne: Yes in my nightmares
[12:51] <seaLne> i wrote a shell script that mates ps to print onto forms
[12:51] <seaLne> s/mates/makes/
[12:52] <kasim> too difficult
[12:53] <kasim> Let me phrase it again. I have some (self generated, by own app) little HTML (3.2 good enough) pages, i'd like to print to paper via a (python) batch. thats all
[12:53] <god-zero> what paper oriented output are you comfortable with? html is paper oriented
[12:53] <god-zero> is ->isn't
[12:54] <helpme> i cant mount /dev/hda6 which is reiserfs...plz help me
[12:55] <nalioth> helpme: have you asked dear uncle google about "mount linux partition" ?
[12:55] <god-zero> if html is all you want to output I'd html2ps filename|lpr
[12:56] <kasim> istn html2ps a part of A2PS (A as anything). That needs netscape to convert IMHO, than rather konq and dcop
[12:57] <inc|freaky> does any1 know how to set mozilla thunderbird as default eMail-application? and im not able to record anything through my microphone, mixer settings are ok. can any1 help me there?
[12:58] <god-zero> looks to be perl
[01:01] <god-zero> html2ps depends libwww-perl and the like, but no gecko
[01:02] <kasim> will check html2ps ...
[01:02] <nalioth> inc|freaky: system > prefs > preferred application
[01:04] <kasim> god-zero: seems to work. Great, for some reason i was against html2ps. I was under the impression that it would use Netscape to convert ...
[01:05] <arwate> I've something odd: The eclipse packages that I downloaded from eclipse.org don't run on breezy. The splash screen just stays on forever. This is a behaviour as I was used to with blackdown jdk, and possibly gcj. But I built the newest sun jdk with make-jpkg and it is active (java -version) and I still have this behaviour. Any ideas? (note that I need specific eclipse versions, so the one in breezy won't satisfy me)
[01:08] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I, too, have a problem. When I held down a key like backspace or any other key for that matter, the cursor repeated that function (r.g: when I held down delete, it erased everything in that line). Now I have to TAP keys repeatedly to get results. What happened?
[01:09] <inc|freaky> nalioth: thx :)
[01:10] <god-zero> kasim: glad tohear ot worked
[01:11] <inc|freaky> nalioth: where do you mean system?
[01:11] <nalioth> inc|freaky: gnome or kde?
[01:11] <inc|freaky> kde ;)
[01:11] <inc|freaky> im on breezy :)
[01:11] <nalioth> inc|freaky: ask again. i have no clue how to do it in #kde
[01:12] <kasim> god-zero: thanks a lot. Will stick to html2ps, see how far i get (there is cairo and SVG around the corner ....)
[01:12] <sadfsdaf> excuse me.. how do i switch from gcc-4.0 to gcc-3.3?
[01:13] <god-zero> kasim: yes, those are exciting
[01:13] <nalioth> konsolebox: it's diffecult to answer you if you change your nick right after asking
[01:13] <helpme> gui apps are not accepting my new root password...but they accept sudo..plz help
[01:14] <nalioth> konsolebox: in your terminal type "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.0" or whichever one you want
[01:14] <nalioth> helpme: /msg ubotu root
[01:17] <helpme> nalioth: i didnt get any info:(
[01:17] <nalioth> helpme: yerkiddinme!
[01:17] <nalioth> helpme: why do you need a root account?
[01:19] <helpme> nalioth: coz i need it......is there no way?
[01:19] <DocTomoe> there is. but there is no need ;) Do it by "sudo passwd root"
[01:19] <nalioth> helpme: sudo -i wont do what you need?
[01:19] <nalioth> DocTomoe: he's already enabled a root account and now he can't access it
[01:20] <god-zero> I think he's refering to the "don't launch gui apps with su/sudo" prob... or the "why doesn't the admin button in kcontrol work" prob
[01:20] <DocTomoe> how "can't access it" ... forgot the root password? 
[01:20] <nalioth> helpme: DocTomoe is asking you a question
[01:20] <konsolebox> nalioth: ummm. i mean when i do gcc --version, the version is not 3.3. how do i switch to a later version? .. it's important for compiling the kernel.. with intel-agp
[01:21] <nikkia> helpme: the fact of the matter is, kcontrol + others in kubuntu are modified to work with sudo, not the root password, so setting an actual root password will NOT make those things suddenly work with it
[01:21] <nalioth> konsolebox: i told you how. install using kynaptic the gcc versions you want and see what i told you earlier
[01:23] <god-zero> helpme: use "kdesu gui-app-to-run-as-root"
[01:24] <DocTomoe> Hm, I have this strange problem with my sound card configuration under KDE. Anyone willing to help? Problem description: Soundcard works only when I set /dev/dsp to a+rw as root (have to do this after any reboot); kmix does not detect a soundcard afterwards, so the only way to change my volume level is by using a) alsamixer on konsole or b) my headphones. It would be great if i had not to manually change the /dev/dsp attributs and if MAix 
[01:24] <DocTomoe> he volume settings.
[01:24] <DocTomoe> s/MAix/kMix/g
[01:25] <jbasilio> DocTomoe: are you a member of the audio group?
[01:25] <DocTomoe> jbasilio .. no idea. how can I check that?
[01:26] <god-zero> DocTomoe: damn good resourcefulness!
[01:26] <jbasilio> DocTomoe: many ways.  simplest i know of is go to konsole and type groups
[01:26] <DocTomoe> jbasilio: negative. How do I change this?
[01:27] <jbasilio> DocTomoe: oh damn!  slam dunk!  :)
[01:27] <jbasilio> try kuser
[01:27] <jbasilio> users adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin   (these are the groups i set my users in)
[01:27] <jbasilio> FWIW
[01:28] <jbasilio> and i set my default to 'users' instead of <username> ... makes sharing files between users a snap
[01:28] <konsolebox> nalioth: i want to use gcc-3.3 and kynaptic says it's already installed.. there are also 3.4s and 4.0s and i switched by changing the softlinks.. like gcc->gcc-3.4.. but maybe there's a better way than changing the links.. now i want to switch to 3.3.. should i reinstall 3.3 or remove the other versions?.. or is "export CC=*" enough to tell the compiler to use the 3.3 version?
[01:28] <god-zero> exportCC will set default compiler 'till next exportCC or reboot
[01:29] <konsolebox> oic thanks
[01:29] <nalioth> konsolebox: in your terminal type "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4" or whatever version you want to use
[01:30] <DocTomoe> Changing groups will require new login. will be back in 3-4 
[01:31] <konsolebox> anybody here who had some problems with intel-agp?
[01:31] <nikkia> yes, its rubbish :)
[01:31] <tuxfan> sorry i got engrossed in installing kdevelop:).........so is there no other way to get these gui apps to work with my rot password?
[01:31] <nikkia> i use nvidia's own agpart provided with their drivers
[01:32] <konsolebox> how bout on ati?
[01:32] <konsolebox> radeon
[01:32] <nikkia> intel-agp has a habit of slowing down the graphics after a day or so of uptime, and needing a reboot
[01:32] <tuxfan> where can i get mplayer, libdvdcss2 etc? i added backports but it says no such file/dir!
[01:32] <god-zero> I tested breezy against my intel 845gv, only had to edit monitor in xorg.conf
[01:32] <nikkia> konsolebox: i believe ATI provide their own agpgart too, but i'm not sure
[01:33] <kasim> ciao and thanks
[01:33] <DocTomoe> thanks for the help. sound now works fine
[01:34] <konsolebox> i onced removed intel-agp and once successfully run x with agp and drm loaded but when i installed ati control.. no more again
[01:34] <konsolebox> what i want to do is to enable the direct rendering.. it must appear in glxinfo.. direct rendering=yes
[01:35] <konsolebox> but it won't work if i can't load the modules
[01:35] <tuxfan>  where can i get mplayer, libdvdcss2 etc? i added backports but it says no such file/dir!
[01:35] <nalioth> ubotu: tell tuxfan about dvd
[01:35] <konsolebox> do u know a good support channel for ati drivers?
[01:36] <DocTomoe> tuxfan: have you enabled multiverse and universe in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[01:40] <tuxfan> ive enabled the extras..but it says couldnt stat source package list??
[01:40] <tuxfan> !hoary-extras
[01:40] <ubotu> well, hoary-extras is see  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[01:41] <DocTomoe> maybe the server is down.
[01:43] <DocTomoe> The "Dapper Goals" link mentioned in the channel topic is obsolete and points to some kind of conference preparation page. It should be removed. 
[01:44] <os2mac> I have a question about the Kubuntu live release...
[01:45] <DocTomoe> os2mac ... just ask
[01:45] <os2mac> is there a way to save my configuation?
[01:45] <os2mac> I.E. everytime I boot up I have to go install ndiswrapper and configure my nick....
[01:46] <os2mac> i would like to be able to save the configuration to my thumbdrive.
[01:46] <DocTomoe> os2mac: you should be able to write a shell script for this and write it on a disk. If you need it, execute it.
[01:47] <os2mac> I was able to write a script to configure the nic... but there are other settings I want saved as well. 
[01:47] <os2mac> and how do you add a package from the prompt?
[01:47] <DocTomoe> os2mac: user settings or system settings?
[01:47] <os2mac> both.
[01:48] <os2mac> but mostly user settings..... theme, book marks etc.
[01:48] <DocTomoe> you could save the /home/ubuntu directory to your thumb and recopy it when needed or started up.
[01:49] <os2mac> there is an application in another distro that does this.... (Kanotix) but I don't like their hardware recognition (or lack there of) 
[01:50] <os2mac> want distro is Ubuntu based on?
[01:50] <nalioth> os2mac: debian
[01:50] <os2mac> thanks.
[01:50] <os2mac> so I wonder if it would be possible to port this functionality into Kubuntu?
[01:51] <os2mac> but I am sure it's beyond my abilities.
[02:09] <os2mac>  you there?
[02:09] <god-zero> who?
[02:15] <insanekane> god-zero: have you installed build-essential on breezy ?
[02:16] <insanekane> has anyone successfully installed build-essential on breezy ?
[02:16] <nalioth> insanekane: yes
[02:16] <insanekane> oh hmm ...
[02:16] <insanekane> nalioth: could you check the version of cpp that you have on your system ?
[02:17] <insanekane> i have some error trying to install 4ubuntu8
[02:17] <god-zero> insanekane: not on right now.. this install is only a few days old
[02:17] <insanekane> k
[02:18] <nalioth> insanekane: 4.0.2
[02:18] <god-zero> ih, it is installed (when'd i do that?)
[02:18] <god-zero> oh
[02:19] <insanekane> nalioth: could you post the entire string ?? its funny that you have 4.0.2 ... are you using the standard repositories ?
[02:19] <os2mac> just checking to see if my wlan0 was configured ....
[02:19] <god-zero> 4.0.2 20050808
[02:19] <os2mac> I modified my script to use apt-get.
[02:20] <insanekane> i get an error trying to install cpp-4.0_4.0.1-4ubuntu8_i386.deb :///
[02:20] <Leshrac> !tell leshrac about wine
[02:21] <insanekane> god-zero: please tell me the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list ... :)
[02:21] <god-zero> k
[02:21] <insanekane> i have all of breezy (main, restricted, universe and multiverse) and the kde3.5 beta
[02:21] <nalioth> insanekane: standard repos from 
[02:21] <nalioth> ubotu: tell insanekane about sources
[02:22] <nalioth> insanekane: the kde repos have nothing to do with it
[02:22] <nalioth> insanekane: neither do backports
[02:23] <god-zero> http://pastebin.com/379546
[02:24] <Leshrac> how can I check what version of kde am I running?
[02:25] <god-zero> help | about kde
[02:25] <god-zero> insanekane: int's in main development
[02:28] <Leshrac> thanks
[02:36] <Floker> hey whazzup
[02:37] <Floker> oh, i know, its 5oclock or so in usa =) np,
[02:37] <Leshrac> 14:37 in spain, so really no problem
[02:38] <Hobbsee> 10.38pm in australia
[02:38] <nalioth> Floker: 5am? you must be on the left coast
[02:38] <Floker> i'm in europe
[02:38] <Floker> its 14:38 over here
[02:38] <god-zero> I've never heard it called the left coast
[02:38] <Floker> lol
[02:38] <Leshrac> btw, there's something I don't understand, if I type sudo -s it gets me to root, if I type sudo su, it does too, but if I enter solely "su" my password does not work
[02:38] <Floker> sounds kool
[02:39] <Floker> Leshrac: only the superuser can log on as superuser?
[02:39] <Floker> hehe, weird but thats it i think
[02:39] <Floker> (i dont live at any coast actually)
[02:40] <nalioth> Floker: it's 5am or so in california,oregon, and washington states
[02:40] <nalioth> the rest of the US has been out of bed for hours
[02:41] <Floker> kde says in LA its 5am
[02:41] <god-zero> well, it is saturday... more than 1 or 2 hangovers I'd suspect
[02:41] <Floker> and <heroic>i belive in kde</heroic>
[02:41] <Floker> hehe
[02:42] <nalioth> Floker: it is correct, the rest of the USA is ahead of that time, tho
[02:42] <nalioth> it's 0745 here in Houston
[02:43] <Floker> i cannot imagine to live in a country with more than one timezone
[02:43] <nalioth> Floker: we only have 4. Texas has 2
[02:43] <Floker> especially if you live near a timezone border
[02:44] <Floker> now thats cool =)
[02:44] <Floker> you speak of tx like its a different country ;)
[02:44] <Floker> in germany we do that with bavaria. 'cus they speak kinda weird
[02:45] <god-zero> that's what we say about tx too
[02:45] <Floker> hehe
[02:45] <nalioth> Floker: we'd like to be
[02:45] <nalioth> bayern ist scherne
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> Floker: lol. only one timezone
[02:46] <Floker> yeah bavaria would like that too, thay have a party called the "bayern parei". they say smt like "if we were a sole country we had 10% less unemployed" they're kinda funny
[02:47] <DocTomoe> Bayern is also the only place in germany where you can have your own nationality ... "Bayerische Staatsbrgerschaft". There even is something like a bavarian passport (tought I have nebver actually known someone who had it.
[02:47] <Floker> for real?
[02:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh. you krouts are hilarious
[02:47] <Floker> lol
[02:47] <insanekane> nalioth: i do know abt the standard breezy repos ... thing is, it causes an error for me :/
[02:47] <DocTomoe> jupp. I studies in Munich, I actually was asked if I had the german or the bavarian nationality
[02:47] <nalioth> Floker: Ich wohnte in Nuremburg fr 6 Jahre.
[02:48] <Floker> cool
[02:48] <DocTomoe> studied. 
[02:48] <nalioth> insanekane: give it a couple of weeks
[02:48] <insanekane> nalioth: all i have are breezy (main, restricted, universe and multiverse)
[02:48] <nalioth> insanekane: breezy is still in developement
[02:48] <insanekane> nalioth: right .. so you didnt install build-essential from the repos ?
[02:48] <nalioth> insanekane: they carried over from my hoary install
[02:48] <insanekane> nalioth: ah right :/
[02:49] <Floker> nalioth: have you ever been at the "nordschleife"?
[02:49] <god-zero> mine didn't carry over.. virgin install
[02:49] <nalioth> Floker: i cant remember enough deutch to save my life
[02:50] <god-zero> insanekane:  what error
[02:50] <nalioth> Floker: was ist nordschleife?
[02:50] <Floker> nordschleife = race-circuit
[02:50] <Floker> the coolest one all over the world
[02:50] <DocTomoe> oh, they do installations, too? I tought they were into flight, spaceflight and entertainment ...
[02:50] <insanekane> god-zero: the error is 
[02:50] <Floker> http://www.nuerburgring.de/typo3temp/e12f2c37c4.jpg
[02:51] <insanekane> god-zero: the error, i have pasted as a private message to you ... so that i shouldn't paste to the channel
[02:51] <nalioth> Floker: sorry that is one thing i missed while there
[02:51] <god-zero> I see. ouch looks like a bad download
[02:51] <god-zero> purge it
[02:51] <nalioth> Floker: i mainly saw things over 300 years old
[02:51] <Floker> i have never been there too =)
[02:52] <Floker> what we call culture =)
[02:53] <Floker> the autobahn is one of the few thinks, germany can be proud about
[02:53] <DocTomoe> The autobahn is great, if you drive Audi, BMW or Mercedes. With my Mazda, it kinda sucks.
[02:53] <gdh> You don't think lederhosen should be cherished? :)
[02:53] <Floker> but after the latest elections, it looks like there is gonna be a general speedlimit :(
[02:54] <Floker> lederhosen = bavaria != germany
[02:54] <gdh> Ah OK :)
[02:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> lmao
[02:54] <DocTomoe> floker, we will see about it. currently, we do not even know who exactly won that election. 
[02:54] <Floker> :)
[02:54] <god-zero> Floker: noooooo!
[02:54] <gdh> Just a 'view from the outside' :)
[02:54] <Floker> the german elections were quite weird
[02:55] <Floker> you us guys could have watched it on cnn
[02:55] <Floker> =)
[02:55] <god-zero> I tried, but it made no sence
[02:55] <gdh> More weird then the US elections because most of the electorate could at least tie their shoelaces without drooling :)
[02:55] <Floker> i've held a speech about the us-elections on my school
[02:55] <DocTomoe> more weird, because everyone won and loosed. simultanly.
[02:55] <Floker> i know what went wrong
[02:56] <Floker> over here, the major parties have a difference of 3 seats in the parliament
[02:57] <Floker> they reign proportionally to their votes.
[02:57] <Floker> and there will be a ballot about the furure chancelor. that the most weird thing.
[02:59] <DocTomoe> well, the weird thing is that it is probable that none of the prospected chancellor-candidates actually well be elected. Boy, it *was* easy when there were just 4 parties to worry about ;)
[03:00] <Floker> the fifth one is funny, nobody exept of 12% (or so) of the voters want them =)
[03:01] <Floker> (for those who dont know: its a SORT OF socialism party)
[03:10] <inc|freaky> nalioth: what kind of bot is ubotu?
[03:11] <Hobbsee> !ubotu
[03:11] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:12] <Hobbsee> one written to answer the most common questions?
[03:13] <sedeki> best program viewing images?
[03:13] <Floker> gwenview
[03:13] <nalioth> inc|freaky: a bloot-bot
[03:13] <nalioth> sedeki: there are dozens of image viewers
[03:14] <nalioth> sedeki: feh is a good one
[03:14] <inc|freaky> nalioth: ah, i should know perl if i want to run one right?
[03:14] <nalioth> inc|freaky: i  believe it's a python bot
[03:14] <inc|freaky> ah, then i should know python?
[03:14] <sedeki> i've installed xfce, and i wonder why it hasn't set a handler for images.
[03:15] <nalioth> inc|freaky: not really
[03:16] <nalioth> sedeki: there are dozens of image viewers for x, for console, for kde, gnome, xfce, etc
[03:16] <nalioth> everyone loves their pR0N
[03:17] <sedeki> nalioth i bet.
[03:17] <inc|freaky> nalioth: could i run one even i dont know python? 
[03:18] <inc|freaky> nalioth: can it use mysql as db?
[03:18] <sedeki> you know any ones for xfce?
[03:18] <nalioth> inc|freaky: you can run one easily
[03:18] <inc|freaky> nalioth: ok thx :D
[03:18] <nalioth> sedeki: xv feh
[03:19] <littlepaul> ping amu
[03:19] <inc|freaky> nalioth: do you think its safe updating kde to 3.5 beta1?
[03:20] <nalioth> inc|freaky: hmm "beta"
[03:20] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:20] <inc|freaky> will 3.5 be released into breezy?
[03:20] <Hobbsee> no, it was too late for feature freeze
[03:21] <Hobbsee> it'll be in backports, apparently
[03:21] <nalioth> inc|freaky: it will be in backports, i'm sure
[03:21] <Hobbsee> kde 3.5 beta seems more stable than 3.4.x
[03:24] <inc|freaky> im currently using 3.4.2
[03:25] <Hobbsee> it's at least as stable than that, if not more so...and it has some nice new features
[03:25] <inc|freaky> awkay ill update ;D
[03:25] <inc|freaky> *upgrade
[03:26] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:26] <Hobbsee> you'll need to reboot, or kill all x and restart it...
[03:26] <Hobbsee> reboot is generally the way to go
[03:26] <god-zero> is there gunna be a beta 2?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> for kde? got no idea, havent checked the kde site
[03:33] <Hobbsee> couldnt find a roadmap there for some reason - i'm sure i've seen it somewhere
[03:35] <DocTomoe> I think users should be discouraged from using adept. adept's developers are willing to sacrifice system stability because warnings are too obstrusive (see http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112819)
[03:36] <DocTomoe> [yes, the reporter is me] 
[03:38] <kozz> Hobbsee: http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.5-release-plan.html
[03:39] <Hobbsee> kozz: thanks, i'm sure that wasnt there when i looked before :P
[03:39] <Hobbsee> kozz: i'm sure it....vanished...for a while...
[03:39] <god-zero> DocTomoe: ouch kozz : thanks
[03:40] <Hobbsee> nice...so we can upgrade to breezy, and then get beta 2
[03:40] <apokryphos> DocTomoe: I actually agree with you -- it pobably should have one
[03:40] <Hobbsee> very nice
[03:40] <apokryphos> DocTomoe: the synaptic one works quite well, I think.
[03:41] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hi
[03:41] <apokryphos> ztonzy: hey man, how's it going :)
[03:41] <ztonzy> apokryphos, fine thanks, you?
[03:42] <apokryphos> ztonzy: really well, thanks; in university now :)
[03:42] <ztonzy> apokryphos, finally? or...? I am into plumber world now
[03:43] <apokryphos> nice; how's it going so far?
[03:43] <kozz> Hobbsee: heh, maybe ;)
[03:43] <ztonzy> apokryphos, slowly forward, but heavy work
[03:44] <Hobbsee> *raises eyebrows* so there's a kde 3.4.3 release a few days before the beta 2 of kde 3.5?
[03:44] <apokryphos> ztonzy: good money? ;-)
[03:44] <Hobbsee> what would be the point in that?
[03:44] <ztonzy> apokryphos, no not yet, internship
[03:45] <apokryphos> ah yeah
[03:46] <Lord_Athur> hi every one
[03:47] <ztonzy> apokryphos, wont be happening until in 1-2 years 
[03:47] <apokryphos> ouch; quite some time :)
[03:47] <apokryphos> it'll be worth it 
[03:47] <ztonzy> hopefully...loads of works then
[03:47] <ztonzy> tired of the unemployment
[03:48] <apokryphos> yeah
[03:53] <havoc> nalioth: where in the world are you?
[03:54] <peter_> hey folks
[03:54] <havoc> hi
[03:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[03:54] <peter_> anyone got an idea why i don't get the nice splash screen during boot?
[03:54] <DocTomoe> peter_: maybe you disabled it in kcontrol?
[03:55] <peter_> i have "quiet splash" on my kernel boot command line?
[03:55] <peter_> no i did not disable it...
[03:55] <nalioth> havoc: i'm in Houston, Tx
[03:55] <peter_> on my laptop it displays beautifully ... on this comp it does not show at all... *sigh*
[03:55] <DocTomoe> peter_: boot splash or kde splash?
[03:55] <havoc> nalioth: ah, was just curious based on your hours here
[03:55] <peter_> boot splash
[03:55] <DocTomoe> does your kernel have framebuffer support?
[03:56] <nalioth> havoc: my hours here are as eclectic as I am
[03:56] <peter_> umm.. i'm not sure.. i use the standard linux-image that came with the 5.10 installation...
[03:56] <havoc> yeah, I've noticed :)
[03:56] <DocTomoe> peter_: I have breezy running on 4 machines - and a bootsplash on no one. where those "real" installations or upgrades from hoary?
[03:57] <peter_> on the laptop i did an 'apt-get dist-upgrade'... the same on my other comp
[03:59] <peter_> it's pretty weird that the same operation results in quite different behaviour :-)
[03:59] <DocTomoe> hm, I am just looking at my grub menu.lst ... there is a reference to some splash screen, but I actually never have seen one... 
[04:00] <peter_> it looks nice actually ;-) 
[04:03] <insanekane> DocTomoe: maybe your fb settings are whack
[04:03] <peter___> how do one set the fb settings then?
[04:04] <insanekane> peter___: try fiddling with the vga setting in the grub line i guess
[04:05] <peter___> been there done that... the only thing that changes seems to be the text size...
[04:05] <inc|freaky> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation!
[04:05] <inc|freaky> For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.
[04:06] <inc|freaky> how can i fix this? i did ./configure --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3 --with-qt-libraries=/usr/lib/qt3 
[04:06] <peter___> did you build qt with --enable-threads?
[04:06] <inc|freaky> i didnt compile it myself i used the package
[04:06] <nalioth> inc|freaky: you need the qt dev libraries
[04:06] <inc|freaky> ah awkay thought i have them
[04:06] <DocTomoe> insanekane ... peter also has this problem. be are all using the standard kernel :)
[04:06] <nalioth> inc|freaky: perhaps you're missing one or two
[04:06] <inc|freaky> whats the package called?
[04:07] <DocTomoe> inc@freaky: sudo apt-get install kdesdk
[04:07] <insanekane> DocTomoe, peter___ : see, there may be problems concerning the fb of your video card ... see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USplash
[04:07] <inc|freaky> thankyou :D
[04:08] <peter___> thanx... i have a ATI radeon 9800 XT... maybe that is not supported?
[04:09] <nalioth> inc|freaky: synaptic or kynaptic?
[04:09] <inc|freaky> im using apt-get
[04:09] <inc|freaky> and im running breezy so, adept ;D
[04:09] <insanekane> peter___: ah, now comes the point :) I read about problems with radeon :)
[04:09] <nalioth> inc|freaky: fire up *ynaptic and search for libqt
[04:10] <nalioth> inc|freaky: check off the -dev siblings to your isntalled ones
[04:10] <inc|freaky> thememoodin.h:20:25: error: themeengine.h: No such file or directory
[04:10] <inc|freaky> did anyone happen to get mooding installed?
[04:10] <inc|freaky> nalioth: thx i got it it was kdesdk ;)
[04:11] <inc|freaky> but im using kde3.5 beta1 and now i have the kde4 libs installed
[04:11] <insanekane> peter___: check this thread (don't know if it will be useful though) http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20050927.165405.992e468d.en.html
[04:12] <cyne> how do i edit my repositories for kynaptic?
[04:12] <peter___> yup! the usplash is definitely what's installed on my laptop... i wonder how it got in there? ;-)
[04:12] <peter___> http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=433&slide=2
[04:13] <cyne> anyone?
[04:14] <nalioth> cyne: "anyone" is nonproductive
[04:14] <cyne> nalioth: please sir, will you tell me how to add a repository to kynaptic?
[04:15] <havoc> cyne: options -> repostitories ?
[04:15] <nalioth> ubotu: tell cyne about repos
[04:15] <mr_owen> hi
[04:15] <mr_owen> i need serious help with my kubuntu
[04:15] <peter___> cyne: vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:15] <cyne> uboto: tell me about repositories
[04:15] <cyne> ok thanks peter___ 
[04:15] <peter___> de nada
[04:16] <mr_owen> i need help installing a wifi card on my laptop :(
[04:16] <havoc> mr_owen: please be very specific when stating your problem
[04:16] <havoc> mr_owen: like type of wifi card, version of ubuntu, etc...
[04:16] <mr_owen> kubuntu
[04:16] <mr_owen> 5.04
[04:16] <mr_owen> belkin g54 7010 card
[04:17] <Tonio-> hi everyone
[04:17] <Tonio-> has anyone tried the j2re plugin in multiverse ?
[04:17] <havoc> ubotu: tell mr_owen about wifi
[04:17] <Tonio-> it craches firefox and doesn't work in konqueror for me
[04:17] <havoc> mr_owen: look at what ubotu sent you
[04:17] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Tonio- about javadeb
[04:17] <nalioth> Tonio-: there is no java in multiverse
[04:18] <inc|freaky> is there a way i can get the libs for kde3.5 as im using it?
[04:18] <nalioth> inc|freaky: i dont understand
[04:19] <mr_owen> havoc: i need to setup the card
[04:19] <Tonio-> nalioth: what are those packages in multiverse ?
[04:19] <mr_owen> it doesn't recognize the hardware i think
[04:19] <sedeki> mr_owen does your card have official support?
[04:19] <nalioth> Tonio-: what packages? Sun Java is illegal to redistribute
[04:19] <mr_owen> i don't think so
[04:20] <inc|freaky> nalioth: kdelibs4-dev - development files for the KDE core libraries <-- what does the 4 mean?
[04:20] <Tonio-> j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin
[04:20] <sedeki> either in kernel or from manicaturer
[04:20] <Tonio-> in multiverse
[04:20] <mr_owen> i allready found i have to do something with wrapper but i don't understand it
[04:20] <sedeki> mr_owen use wrapper as a last option
[04:20] <sedeki> try finding native drivers
[04:20] <os2mac> mr owen I use ndiswrapper 
[04:21] <nalioth> inc|freaky: it's for kde4?
[04:21] <nalioth> inc|freaky: i have no idea
[04:21] <os2mac> sedeki are you aware of native broadcom drivers?
[04:21] <sedeki> i found drivers for my acx1xx chipset.
[04:21] <inc|freaky> strange things happening again
[04:21] <sedeki> and everybody kept telling me about ndiswrapper
[04:22] <os2mac> I am using ndiswrappe with bcmwl5.inf and it works fine.
[04:22] <sedeki> i'm just saying, use it as a last option.
[04:22] <os2mac> Mr Owen do you know the name of the driver for your NIC in windows?
[04:23] <mr_owen> ehm
[04:23] <mr_owen> yes
[04:23] <os2mac> what is it?
[04:23] <mr_owen> F5D7010-v2.4.5UK
[04:24] <os2mac> would that the name of of the .inf file?
[04:25] <mr_owen> ow
[04:25] <mr_owen> no
[04:25] <mr_owen> of the package file
[04:25] <mr_owen> like when you download it
[04:25] <mr_owen> that's not what you want probably
[04:26] <os2mac> what is the name of the windows .inf file when you useit under windows
[04:26] <mr_owen> i don't know
[04:26] <mr_owen> unless you know where i can find it on the windows drive
[04:26] <os2mac> are you using the live CD or dual booting?
[04:26] <mr_owen> dual booting
[04:26] <mr_owen> but grub messed up and i can't boot windows anymore
[04:26] <os2mac> what kind of laptop?/
[04:27] <os2mac> or computer.
[04:27] <mr_owen> but i can acces the partition with windows on it becoz its fat32
[04:27] <mr_owen> acer 1350
[04:27] <mr_owen> and the belkin card is installed on windows
[04:27] <os2mac> ok hang on a sec...
[04:27] <mr_owen> so if you know the location of that driver i can look it up
[04:30] <os2mac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper?highlight=%28ndiswrapper%29
[04:30] <cyne> i have this page: http://winehq.org/site/download-deb but when i start kynzptic i get "malformed line" with this line in the /etc/apt/sources.list : deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt binary 
[04:30] <os2mac> that shows you how to setup NDISwrapper
[04:30] <os2mac> but not now to configure the wlan0 afterward. and assumes you know the driver name
[04:31] <os2mac> but you should be able to find that on the manufacturers website.
[04:31] <os2mac> and you need to find it on the HDD
[04:32] <mr_owen> ok
[04:32] <mr_owen> i will look into that leeter when i'm at home
[04:33] <mr_owen> do you also know how i can configure grub
[04:33] <os2mac> nope never used it.
[04:33] <mr_owen> coz it won' let me choose between linux and windows
[04:33] <os2mac> I am on a live CD on my laptop with xp installed.
[04:33] <mr_owen> hm
[04:33] <mr_owen> well
[04:33] <mr_owen> i found the inf file
[04:33] <mr_owen> could you please go step by step with me
[04:33] <mr_owen> coz i really don't know what to do
[04:34] <mr_owen> and i really need to get this card working
[04:34] <cyne> forget that i worked it out
[04:34] <cyne> :P
[04:38] <os2mac> mr_owen check your PM's
[04:48] <MachineScrew> any one know what the latest version of usplash is
[04:49] <inc|freaky> does any1 know where i can download a bloot bot?
[04:50] <sladen> MachineScrew: apt-cache show usplash  
[04:51] <sladen> MachineScrew: apt-cache show usplash  | grep Version:
[04:53] <MachineScrew> sladen: so 0.1-18
[04:54] <cyne> who is it here that wanted to run visual basic?
[04:54] <cyne> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?appId=94
[04:55] <MachineScrew> after running sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r`
[04:55] <MachineScrew> i get this cpio: ./usr/lib/usplash/usplash-artwork.so: No such file or directory
[04:56] <MachineScrew> but it is there
[04:56] <sladen> MachineScrew: try  dpkg-divert --auto usplash-artwork.so
[04:57] <sladen> although I think that has just been backed out.  apt-get upgrade and try again
[05:00] <MachineScrew> ya
[05:01] <MachineScrew> sladen: I found the there where invalid links pointing to things that where not there and I fixe them
[05:01] <MachineScrew> no I don't get the error
[05:04] <_stefan> yow, question, How can I install kubuntu from harddisk from an iso-file,
[05:04] <_stefan> I know you can burn it and so on ... normaly I do it this way
[05:04] <_stefan> but on my old pc it doesn't work with cd's
[05:04] <insanekane> _stefan: you can use VMWare, bochs, etc for it
[05:04] <insanekane> _stefan: but you need an existing OS for it to work
[05:05] <_stefan> can't you boot from the iso?
[05:05] <_stefan> isn't that an easier way
[05:05] <insanekane> _stefan: thats what VMWare etc does ... they boot from the ISO
[05:05] <_stefan> yes, but than you have to install these programs
[05:05] <_stefan> I don't want to spent time with installing such applications
[05:05] <insanekane> indeed, in order for a piece of software to work, you need to install it
[05:06] <_stefan> I want to just boot, so make some option in grub that I can boot from an iso
[05:06] <insanekane> _stefan: oh well, then burn on a CDROM/DVD/CDRW/DVD-RW etc etc
[05:06] <_stefan> I've ever seen it before online, but I can't find it anymore
[05:06] <juanfe> hello all
[05:06] <insanekane> _stefan: yes, the GRUB project is probably looking for help ... why don't you help them out by creating something like what you are asking ?
[05:06] <_stefan> it was something with loop etc..
[05:06] <u19809> what is the state of suspend2 in hoary ?
[05:07] <insanekane> _stefan: you are probably talking abt cloop files ?
[05:07] <juanfe> what's the last stable version of Ubuntu distribution, Hoary or Breezy??
[05:07] <_stefan> I've done it ever before, booting from an iso on harddisk
[05:07] <hydrogen> hoary is stable right now
[05:07] <u19809> afaik breezy is still beta ?
[05:07] <_stefan> so I can install
[05:08] <hydrogen> breezy is quite stable however
[05:08] <_stefan> btw I'm using kubuntu breezy now, it's cute and good for now, better than the hoary (if you know how to configure to get how you want it)
[05:09] <juanfe> I think breezy is the official ubuntu in October
[05:09] <juanfe> no?
[05:09] <insanekane> juanfe: yes
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> 13th
[05:10] <_stefan> thx 2 u, I know how to find my problem, looking in google after how to boot from iso in grub
[05:11] <juanfe> how update to breezy when breezy went stable? is automatic the update from hoary to breezy or I have to change the repositories?
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> Juerd: you have to change them
[05:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> * juanfe
[05:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> you have to change them
[05:12] <juanfe> thanks
[05:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> you change 'hoary' to 'breezy'
[05:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> then update like normal :)
[05:12] <juanfe> from synaptic?
[05:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you want. i use apt- myself
[05:26] <MachineScrew> yes it worked
[05:27] <_stefan> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd this was what I was looking for (and used before)
[05:28] <MachineScrew> there was a link in /usr/lib/uspalsh/ubuntu-default.so /etc/alternitives/ubuntu-default.so /usr/share/usplash/ubuntu-default.so
[05:29] <MachineScrew> the resulting ubuntu-default.so wasn't there but it was in /usr/lib/usplash so I copied them to /usr/share/usplash/
[05:29] <MachineScrew> and edited the link in /etc/alternitives/ to point to kubuntu-splash.so
[05:30] <MachineScrew> so there it is
[05:30] <vitriol> kde is freezing when i try to log in. i have an ati 200m vid card and it freezes when i use ati or vesa driver with dri off or on
[05:31] <MachineScrew> apokryphos: are you here
[05:31] <vitriol> any ideas?
[05:31] <MachineScrew> vitriol: not here
[05:31] <MachineScrew> vitriol: are you using the frame buffer
[05:31] <vitriol> MachineScrew: i don't think so
[05:32] <vitriol> MachineScrew: how do i know for sure that i'm not using frame buffer?
[05:32] <vitriol> the video card is really new and i'm not suprised that it's freezing like this
[05:32] <vitriol> :\
[05:32] <MachineScrew> vitriol: your logs or look in the config in /etc/X11/xorg.con
[05:32] <MachineScrew> f
[05:32] <MachineScrew> oops
[05:32] <vitriol> thats a thought :)
[05:34] <MachineScrew> vitriol: what kind of ATI card is it
[05:35] <konsolebox> excuse me .. where do i get the X11R6 libs and modules? package name?
[05:35] <jsubl2> vitriol: check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:35] <vitriol> binary driver?
[05:36] <MachineScrew> vitriol: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI 
[05:36] <jsubl2> has info on installing the ati drivers
[05:36] <vitriol> ah
[05:36] <vitriol> guess i could try that
[05:36] <vitriol> i get sick of those ati drivers though
[05:36] <jsubl2> that link links to the one MachineScrew  posted
[05:36] <vitriol> they're so flaky 
[05:36] <MachineScrew> vitriol: ya that is your best bet
[05:36] <vitriol> alrighty
[05:36] <vitriol> i'll try that...if it doesn't work i'll just try using breezy
[05:36] <jsubl2> well i have nvidia so that is the best i can do for you vitriol 
[05:37] <vitriol> jsubl2: you're lucky to have your nvidia ;)
[05:37] <MachineScrew> vitriol: i have a ATI IGP 340M
[05:37] <jsubl2> vitriol: it is a must.. i would not buy most of the laptops on the market today because they are ati graphics
[05:37] <konsolebox> i need libdri.a, libdrm.a, libGLcore.a and libglx.a
[05:37] <MachineScrew> its a laptop
[05:37] <jsubl2> vitriol: a year ago i sold a laptop cheap to get a way from ati
[05:38] <MachineScrew> konsolebox: can you get into kynaptic ?
[05:38] <vitriol> MachineScrew: the ati cards are physically great cards
[05:38] <vitriol> can't argue with that
[05:38] <konsolebox> no prob why?
[05:39] <vitriol> but their linux driver support....
[05:39] <vitriol> yuck
[05:39] <jsubl2> vitriol: if you have trouble getting it up far enough to do the howto you might be able to change the  driver from ati to vesa in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:39] <vitriol> jsubl2: it freezes on vesa too
[05:39] <MachineScrew> konsolebox: you can search for what you need there
[05:39] <MachineScrew> graphicly
[05:39] <vitriol> i can use elinks + gpm tho to look at the wiki
[05:39] <jsubl2> wow.. well good luck.. tried http://ubuntuforums.org
[05:40] <konsolebox> i don't know the package name.. "i use apt-cache search ."
[05:40] <MachineScrew> ya
[05:40] <konsolebox> wait
[05:40] <_polux> hi
[05:40] <MachineScrew> konsolebox: you don't need to just look for xorg
[05:41] <_polux> is there a way in kubuntu-desktop to get information of available updates in the system tray like in the ubuntu gnome desktop ?
[05:42] <jsubl2> vitriol: you on hoary or breezy
[05:42] <MachineScrew> _polux: ya I want the same
[05:43] <MachineScrew> in system there is system update wizard 
[05:43] <MachineScrew> but won't show up in the systray
[05:43] <_polux> in kde ?
[05:43] <MachineScrew> ya
[05:44] <jsubl2> vitriol: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=65276
[05:44] <MachineScrew> K --> System --> System Update Wizard
[05:44] <_polux> ok
[05:45] <MachineScrew> it is called adept
[05:45] <MachineScrew> but that is the only thing I know
[05:45] <MachineScrew> I would also like it in the systray
[05:47] <kurt> anyone know if there is newer version of game available somewhere for kubuntu?
[05:47] <kurt> I mean gaim. :-)
[05:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> 1.5 is in breezy
[05:47] <MachineScrew> why not kopete
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure if kubuntu likes it htough (bei9ng gtk)
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> *though *being
[05:48] <kurt> it works just fine as long as you gtk installed.  I just need meanwhile support and I installed the meanwhile libraries but they won't work with the old versin of gaim in ubuntu.
[05:49] <insanekane> Kamping_Kaiser: only 11 days ? so many things to fix :/
[05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh :S its getting intence for the devs im sure.
[05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> i had a few bugs i cant report because i cant remember my bugzilla pwd, and tis on the other pc (which is broken)
[05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> not show stoppers, but still irritations
[05:51] <kurt> would a package from breezy work in hoary?
[05:52] <chavo> I upgraded to breezy when the preview came out, but haven't dist-upgraded since
[05:52] <MachineScrew> you would have dependency problems
[05:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> it may need some poking, butit should. check if its in backports kurt. just remember to be very carefull with them
[05:53] <crtr> how to open .ram ?
[05:53] <kurt> crtr: probably real player
[05:53] <kurt> or helix
[05:57] <mustafu> I dist-upgraded today and found on the next boot that the splash bootup screen disappeared....anyone have similar trouble?
[05:58] <aitor> hola
[06:01] <lenwe> I all ..
[06:01] <lenwe> Is there french guy here ?
[06:02] <Nightie> Hello, is there any difference between "installing breezy preview and update it daily" and "wait for the final release"?
[06:02] <Nightie> Hello, is there any difference between "installing breezy preview and update it daily" and "wait for the final release"?
[06:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> not realy no,and dont repeat questions
[06:03] <Nightie> sorry for double question
[06:03] <konsolebox> please.. i stil cant find the package.. (for /usr/X11R6/lib/modules)
[06:03] <lenwe> Has someone test LTSP with breezy ?
[06:03] <Nightie> is kcontrol working in administrator mode now?
[06:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> lenwe: i have played with it, but didnt get very far
[06:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> because i was doing tftp, not pxe
[06:04] <lenwe> I try LTSP package of breezy and have some probleme ...
[06:04] <lenwe> I use pxe, and A thinclient boot very slow ...
[06:05] <mustafu> nightie: updating is great for instant gratification
[06:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> konsolebox: check you have xserver-xorg-* installed
[06:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> but what you need exactly depends on whats missing
[06:06] <Nightie> what does mustafu mean?
[06:07] <konsolebox> ok
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure Nightie :O
[06:11] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:12] <Tm_T> hullo
[06:12] <jsubl2> hola
[06:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[06:12] <Tm_T> kaiser o/
[06:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> :o
[06:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> have you got any idea what the time is here :S
[06:13] <jsubl2> where is here
[06:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> here is central australia
[06:14] <jsubl2> 2:14 am
[06:14] <nalioth> here we go again
[06:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> 1.44
[06:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> if my clocks right
[06:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol nalioth
[06:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> night all. "time is an illusion: lunchtime doubly so"
[06:34] <Phily> hello anyone in here
[06:34] <nalioth> yes
[06:37] <Lord_Athur> hi+
[06:39] <Phily> sure is quiet
[06:40] <nalioth> Phily: thought you had a question or something
[06:40] <Phily> nope just taking a break from mowing the lawn
[06:41] <nalioth> Phily: if you buy sheep, you wont have to do that
[06:41] <Phily> nalioth: well with my 2 boys I better get a cow free milk and short grass!
[06:41] <nalioth> the manure from a cow is unsightly
[06:42] <nalioth> go for the happy medium....goats!
[06:42] <Phily> nalioth: maybe I could train the cow
[06:43] <nalioth> that'd be something to see
[06:47] <Ubel> quie again
[06:47] <Ubel> quiet again
[06:49] <gdh> Too quiet - pretty soon I'll start to hear the voices in my head again.
[06:53] <Ubel> gdh: quiet please, my voices are trying to say something
[06:55] <gdh> :)
[06:56] <Ubel> how are you gdh?
[06:57] <gdh> My head still hurts. I wish it would stop. It wouldn't bother me if it was sore due to injury or drink.. has just been a yucky cold / flu thing I've had for a week :(
[06:57] <nalioth> gdh: whiskey
[06:58] <gdh> there's no lack of that around here, for sure :)
[06:58] <gdh> "a bloke on IRC told me to drink it!"
[06:58] <gdh> that beats 'the voices told me to!"
[06:58] <nalioth> whiskey silences the voices
[06:59] <Ubel> heheehee
[07:00] <helpme> i installed opera....cant find it in kmenu!
[07:00] <nalioth> ubotu: tell helpme about smeg
[07:00] <Ubel> ubotu!
[07:00] <helpme> nalioth: im using kubuntu, nit ubuntu
[07:01] <helpme> wait a min..kappfinder found it:)
[07:01] <nalioth> helpme: kde has a built in menu editor
[07:09] <helpme> i installed opera via synaptic (it was deb but not ubuntu deb i guess)....it wont load....in terminal it says error while loading shared libraries: libs tdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:10] <nalioth> helpme: read the opera site for dependencies
[07:10] <helpme> theres nothing there....i didnt download it from there...i added  an opera deb repo and installed via synaptic
[07:11] <nalioth> helpme: ooooh
[07:11] <nalioth> not good
[07:11] <nalioth> get the deb from opera.com
[07:11] <helpme> but since its deb it should work....
[07:12] <helpme> there are 2 debs on opera site..one for ubuntu...another a debian package....
[07:13] <stupendo5> Hey, everyone. what should I see in /usr/src/linux/include? Supposedly there's supposed to be linux, asm, and net directories, but the only directory I see is linux. I see asm and net, but they don't appear to be directories.
[07:13] <nalioth> helpme: use the ubuntu deb (k)ubuntu is the same animal
[07:16] <helpme> i see
[07:17] <helpme> stupendo5: do show hidden files in konq...then maybe?
[07:17] <stupendo5> I'm using the terminal, does that change anything?
[07:17] <nalioth> helpme: show hidden files for what?
[07:17] <nalioth> stupendo5: not a thing
[07:18] <helpme> stupendo5: ls -a
[07:18] <helpme> ??
[07:18] <kinfo> what?
[07:19] <helpme> this is a quiet channel:)
[07:19] <stupendo5> what are the ones in red?
[07:20] <stupendo5> when I do ls -a, I get linux and config in blue, and the rest in red
[07:21] <helpme> red ones? hmm...on my kubuntu....i see a tar.gz file in red
[07:22] <nalioth> stupendo5: some are directories, some are executables
[07:22] <stupendo5> ok, I know linux is a directory, so probably config is too. The others must be executables.
[07:28] <stupendo5> here's a pic of what I have: http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=usrsrclinuxinclude6mi.png
[07:28] <stupendo5> is that normal?
[07:30] <nalioth> stupendo5: looks ok to me
[07:31] <stupendo5> ok
[07:31] <stupendo5> I'm having some trouble installing vmware tools, so I was just checking
[07:31] <stupendo5> vmware tools says that something is apparently missing
[07:35] <nalioth> vmware is a pita, try qemu
[07:35] <stupendo5> http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vmwaretoolserror4pg.png
[07:36] <nalioth> i know what it is telling you
[07:36] <nalioth> vmware sucks
[07:36] <chavo> stupendo5, did you apt-get install linux-headers
[07:37] <stupendo5> yes
[07:37] <stupendo5> I have a pic above of my headers directory
[07:39] <chavo> stupendo5, linux-headers are installed in /usr/src/linux-headers-'kerner-version'
[07:40] <stupendo5> my past experience with qemu hasn't been that great. Mainly because at the time I didn't want to spend a lot of time on it. And it wasn't as easy as virtual pc or vmware.
[07:40] <stupendo5> right
[07:40] <stupendo5> chavo, I made a smlnk to linux
[07:41] <chavo> stupendo5, no need for that
[07:42] <stupendo5> but even if I point vmware tools setup to the correct dir, it gives the same message
[07:44] <chavo> stupendo5, the path is /usr/src/linux
[07:44] <chavo> you don't want the include at the end
[07:45] <stupendo5> the setup supposedly is looking for that. It's the default. I didn't add that
[07:46] <gdh> I use vmware on kubuntu. I have no /usr/src/linux dir. vmware-config.pl looks in /lib/modules/<KERNELNAME>/build .. which is a symlink to the real directory containing the headers... e.g.
[07:46] <Phily> Does anyone know hoe t set the rubber band option in kde 3.4.2 or is this a patch
[07:46] <gdh> ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-686/
[07:46] <gdh> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root     35 Sep 23 19:51 build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-9-686
[07:47] <stupendo5> I using vmware on windows xp with kubuntu as the guest os. I'm trying to isntall only vmware tools on kubuntu so that I can access the shared folders
[07:47] <chavo> Phily, it's a patch that kubuntu added, I'm not sure if you can turn it off
[07:48] <Phily> chavo: it is not active on my system hoary
[07:48] <Phily> chavo: so this is a breezy feature
[07:48] <chavo> Phily, I think it's in 3.5 only
[07:48] <gdh> stupendo5: OK, I have never done it that way round. However, there is no need for the vmware tools .. network your windows host and linux instance together as if they were 2 standalone computers
[07:48] <gdh> stupendo5: get linux to connect to a share on your windows PC.. or get windows to connect to a Samba share...
[07:49] <stupendo5> ok
[07:49] <stupendo5> I'll try that
[07:49] <stupendo5> I'll have to change the network setting
[07:49] <Phily> chavo: is 3.5 stable 
[07:49] <Phily> chavo:  is it worth the upgarde
[07:49] <chavo> Phily, it is for me, but I don't use the packages
[07:50] <Phily> Chambers-:  youve compiled it?
[07:50] <Phily> can i run both kde version
[07:52] <whoiam> anybody know how can I install qt dev. packages (I want to run make xconfig)
[07:53] <nalioth> whoiam: use kynaptic and install the -dev pkgs for the libqt pkgs you have now (search for libqt)
[08:03] <kozz> do someone know where the manpages for OpenGL is located, in which package?
[08:07] <matty_> hi
[08:07] <matty_> i need some help 
[08:08] <matty_> i want to make my laptop dual boot with windows xp and kubuntu
[08:08] <matty_> how should i do this ? 
[08:08] <kkathman> good day all :)
[08:09] <nalioth> mr_owen: there is a nice article on wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:10] <Tm_T> kkathman: hoj!
[08:13] <orace|> hey guys
[08:13] <orace|> configuring my touchpad using ksynaptic (kcontrol) doesn't affect the touchpad at all
[08:13] <orace|> the settings are saved, but the touchpad behaves the same
[08:13] <orace|> I remember I had to add something to the inputdevice section in my xorg.conf, but I don't remember what
[08:13] <orace|> anyone got a clue?
[08:15] <Tm_T> kkathman: what's up old pal
[08:19] <ubuntu> hi
[08:21] <kUbel> heeeeeeeeeellllllllllo
[08:26] <kkathman> hey Tm_T   wassup :)
[08:26] <kkathman> sorry got busy with something
[08:26] <kkathman> Tm_T:  have you upgraded to breezy yet?
[08:28] <Tm_T> kkathman: yup
[08:28] <Tm_T> kkathman: was total mess
[08:28] <Tm_T> but now, working almost perfectly
[08:29] <kkathman> oh really?
[08:29] <Tm_T> only lack of working nvidia
[08:29] <Tm_T> yup
[08:29] <kkathman> ahhh
[08:29] <kkathman> hmm guess I
[08:29] <kkathman> had better not go yet then
[08:29] <Tm_T> why not
[08:29] <kkathman> they seem to be very slow getting this release out ..or maybe thats just my perceptio
[08:29] <Tm_T> I bet it's just my configuration etc
[08:30] <kkathman> perception
[08:30] <kkathman> probably better to wait till the official release I gues
[08:30] <Tm_T> I had so much own setups that breezy messed it, was "fun" fixing it
[08:30] <kkathman> dang my keyboard is SOOO bad...gotta get a new one
[08:31] <kUbel> kkathman:  I will write for you
[08:31] <Tm_T> kkathman: recommend logitech ultrax flat :)
[08:34] <_sim> hi
[08:35] <kUbel> hum
[08:37] <Logi> good evening
[08:37] <kUbel> hello Logi
[08:37] <kUbel> ea Blessaur jafnvel
[08:39] <Logi> kUbel: sll (not on UTF-8...)
[08:39] <kUbel> that's allright - I think we should write in english :)
[08:40] <Logi> yeah
[08:40] <Logi> kUbel: btw, do we have a local [k] ubuntu mirror?
[08:40] <kUbel> rhnet.hi.is
[08:40] <Logi> of course...
[08:40] <kUbel> :)
[08:41] <kUbel> stupid question - is kubuntu your first linux distro?
[08:41] <kUbel> or do you have expirence with Linux before?
[08:41] <kUbel> your url sounds familiar
[08:41] <Logi> I've been on debian for... 10 years?
[08:42] <kUbel> I think I have seen you on some mailing lists - don't remember which ones
[08:42] <Logi> kUbel: I don't run klaki, my good friend Bjarni does
[08:42] <kUbel> kde-isl?
[08:42] <Logi> kUbel: kde translation?
[08:42] <kUbel> ah yes
[08:42] <kUbel> I used to follow that one
[08:42] <Logi> yeah, I was the leader and most active translator for a while - now I've got a life and a real job :)
[08:42] <kUbel> hehehe
[08:43] <kUbel> I tried the ICelandic translation yesterday
[08:43] <kUbel> It's ok - you and the rest of the group have done alot more than I thought you would have done
[08:43] <kUbel> but it still has few things like "loka setu" which makes me giggle :)
[08:44] <Logi> yeah.. well.. some times there just isn't a good way out
[08:44] <kUbel> excatly I don't know what would sound better
[08:44] <mr_owen> hi
[08:44] <kUbel> hello mr_owen 
[08:44] <Logi> and I'm not really to thank or blame for anything recent (although I think I did the loka setu one ages ago), Rikki is the main man now
[08:44] <mr_owen> i want to make a dualboot with kubuntu and windows xp on my laptop
[08:45] <mr_owen> how should i do this ? 
[08:45] <kUbel> Logi:  I am just saying that it's funny - but it's maybe because I am not used to Icelandic on computers. Maybe english computer words sounds strange to normal english users as well?
[08:45] <Logi> kUbel: btw, I'd like to buy a wireless ethernet card which is supported by linux/amd64, preferably something I could just go out and buy right away. Live close to Tolvulistinn :) Ideas?
[08:46] <`Nomad> Hi.. Does anyone know why I get this error lately at the end of the apt-get process?
[08:46] <`Nomad> sh: dzhandle: command not found
[08:46] <`Nomad> E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke 'dzhandle restart-pending-instances'
[08:46] <`Nomad> E: Sub-process returned an error code
[08:46] <Logi> kUbel: I think they do..
[08:46] <kUbel> Logi: I am not sure - pcmcia?  Everything I have tried has always worked but I haven't tried any of those USB things
[08:47] <`Nomad> mr_owen, did you partition your disk in 2 parts already?
[08:47] <mr_owen> yes
[08:47] <mr_owen> but 
[08:48] <mr_owen> i dont know what the partitions should be
[08:48] <mr_owen> i made a boot partition
[08:48] <`Nomad> install windows first on the one partition
[08:48] <`Nomad> then when you install Kubuntu on the second empty section, it will take care of the rest
[08:49] <mr_owen> so i have 40 GB 
[08:49] <kUbel> logi: you have a pcmcia slot? or?
[08:49] <mr_owen> i make a windows partition of 30 GB fat 32
[08:49] <Logi> kUbel: yes... pcmcia
[08:49] <mr_owen> and leave the rest unpartitioned
[08:50] <mr_owen> and then install windows
[08:50] <mr_owen> than install kubuntu 
[08:50] <`Nomad> Mr_owen: Sounds good, if you need that much for windows, sure.. 
[08:50] <Logi> kUbel: I've got a built-in one, but I have to run the windows drivers and that just leads to pain and no 64-bitness
[08:50] <mr_owen> on the rest of the space with a swap partition of 512 mb ? 
[08:50] <`Nomad> how much RAM have you got?
[08:50] <kUbel> Logi: you have the intel thingy?
[08:50] <mr_owen> and the partition for ubuntu 
[08:50] <mr_owen> should it be primary ? 
[08:51] <mr_owen> and the bootable flag must be left on the windows partition or ? 
[08:51] <`Nomad> I don't knwo that it makes a difference
[08:51] <mr_owen> i have 256 ram
[08:51] <`Nomad> 256 megs of RAM for win XP?  
[08:51] <mr_owen> yes
[08:51] <mr_owen> works fine 
[08:51] <`Nomad> ok 
[08:51] <mr_owen> amd xp 2000 
[08:52] <mr_owen> but i will upgrade it soon
[08:52] <`Nomad> I'm sure it's fine
[08:52] <mr_owen> to 512 or maybe 766
[08:52] <mr_owen> well
[08:52] <mr_owen> i had windows on it 
[08:52] <kUbel> Logi: the microstar one should work http://www.tolvulistinn.is/content.asp?view=detail&code=0f0836990c6d5683c9b38cd6488a7c272583e79f4d9503364a2f6f133613f646&level=2&top=netbAna0ur&s=Er%A10laus
[08:52] <mr_owen> and 30 Gb free
[08:52] <`Nomad> Ram is cheap, it's Rum that's expensive :)
[08:52] <mr_owen> and then i installed umbutu 
[08:52] <mr_owen> but it doesn't offer me to boot windows anymore
[08:52] <`Nomad> hum...
[08:52] <mr_owen> but the windows partition was still there
[08:52] <kUbel> but I am not sure - new hardware is always risky :)
[08:53] <`Nomad> so you go straight to linux?
[08:53] <mr_owen> yesh
[08:53] <Logi> kUbel: ah.. they've closed almost an hour ago. Oh, well. Monday
[08:53] <mr_owen> it starts grub
[08:53] <mr_owen> and then it goes straight to linux
[08:53] <`Nomad> owen: Try running grub again, to see if it picks up windows
[08:53] <`Nomad> wait a sec, brb
[08:53] <Logi> kUbel: I'm going to bring the laptop and the kubuntu live cd and buy the first card that it detects properly
[08:53] <Logi> kUbel: thanks
[08:54] <kUbel> hehe yeah I guess that's safe
[08:54] <kUbel> Logi: do you use Linux in your work?
[08:54] <Logi> kUbel: usually, yes
[08:55] <Logi> kUbel: atm I've got a windows laptop from work, but with cygwin, firefox, thunderbird and a couple of other bits it's almost usable :)
[08:56] <ksmurf> almost
[08:56] <ksmurf> ;>
[08:56] <kUbel> Logi: I used to have Windows on this laptop but I always had this problem that it took more cpu than it should, got slow - was very anoying when I only used my computer for openoffice and browsing (studying in university)
[08:56] <kUbel> so I went back to Linux
[08:57] <Logi> yeah. My own laptop has only booted windows once, when I verified that it was functioning, and then it got debian on it
[08:57] <Logi> but I think I'm going to go to kubuntu/amd64, the debian/amd64 situation is a mess
[08:58] <`Nomad> Mr_owen:  There are many good grub tutorials out there in google land.. http://www.openbg.net/sto/os/xml/grub.html#menu
[08:58] <kUbel> ahh wouldn't know anything about that :)
[08:58] <`Nomad> Try and see if you can just add the windows partition in your grub.conf file
[08:58] <`Nomad> I have to go an denjoy a bit of this sunshine before it disappears for the winter
[08:59] <Logi> `Nomad: for kUbel and me it's already too late...
[08:59] <`Nomad> :)
[08:59] <kUbel> hehehe yeah
[08:59] <`Nomad> Good luck mr_owen, it.s fixeable, nothign is lost
[08:59] <Logi> hmm... didn't lspci give more readable information before?
[08:59] <`Nomad> adios
[09:00] <Logi> and there used to be a file in /proc with a list of the pci devices. Where have they put this stuff now?
[09:00] <ksmurf> Logi.... Mine never even did that... and i'm paying for it though
[09:01] <Logi> yeah, good-old MS-tax
[09:02] <Logi> also the debian kde situation is a mess...
[09:02] <Logi> they don't really seem to be on the ball any more :-/
[09:04] <kUbel> I have never followed Debian that much - always like the distro
[09:04] <kUbel> liked
[09:05] <kUbel> but I never tried getting into it
[09:05] <kUbel> I have used few distros based on debian though
[09:22] <Deanie> ok guys, i need a GOOD nzb news client
[09:22] <Deanie> something as good as newsleecher, i cant find one, they all pretty much suck in linux land.
[09:22] <nalioth> Deanie: in a terminal, type "apt-cache search nzb"
[09:22] <Deanie> tried., nothing./
[09:23] <Deanie> i tried about 3 of the ones nzb capable so far, they are utter garbage
[09:23] <nalioth> Deanie: search at sourceforge.net or unix.freshmeat.net
[09:23] <Deanie> i realise they are free and wont be as good as a commercial app like newsleecher, but i aint usin these ..
[09:24] <Deanie> well, i`d try klibido if i could get apt-build to install
[09:24] <gdh> Deanie: 'nzbget' or 'nzbperl' search on google
[09:24] <Deanie> its being a total bitch
[09:24] <gdh> both are adequate - both commandline
[09:24] <Deanie> tried those, not good enuff.
[09:24] <gdh> there is nothing GUI clicky-clicky
[09:24] <gdh> They both work perfectly well for me, etc. :)
[09:24] <Deanie> after using newsleecher for too long on windows, i want something nearly as good, there isnt one
[09:25] <gdh> So run Windows, or deal with it. :)
[09:25] <claydoh> klibido is in repos
[09:25] <Deanie> i think klibido seems decent, if i could only install it.
[09:25] <Deanie> i dont wanna live with cli all my life, ;)
[09:25] <Deanie> which repo?
[09:25] <Deanie>  ive searched but not added an repos either.
[09:26] <claydoh> but not sure if it is hoary, iam installing it in breezy via synaptic right now
[09:26] <Deanie> im gettin silly errors while compiling it also,  Qt errors , i like installed Qt libs and its still givin me shit
[09:26] <nalioth> whats a nzb, anyway?
[09:26] <Deanie> newzbin 
[09:26] <nalioth> Deanie: you need the -dev qtlibs
[09:26] <gdh> nalioth: A faster way of downloading warez.
[09:26] <gdh> from usenet
[09:26] <claydoh> just an easy way to download binaries
[09:27] <nalioth> Deanie: install your libqt -dev  libraries
[09:27] <claydoh> use Pan and download the binaires the "old fashined" way :)
[09:27] <Deanie> instead of dloadin 50,000 headers everyday, u dload a small file, like a torrent i guess.
[09:27] <gdh> nalioth: nzb is a big list of the exact usenet article numbers - it eliminates the tedium of downloading millions of group headers and selecting the relevant files, etc.
[09:27] <Deanie> pan sucks 
[09:27] <claydoh> lol
[09:27] <gdh> Precisely - it removes the tedium of Pan :)
[09:28] <claydoh> never found it tedious
[09:28] <Deanie> im sorry if im a little fussy now, but i want something with some class
[09:28] <nalioth> my newserver doesnt have nzb (that i see)
[09:28] <claydoh> wine
[09:28] <nalioth> Deanie: do the -dev libs
[09:28] <gdh> Pan is great if you actually want to participate in a newsgroup discussion...
[09:28] <Deanie> tried
[09:28] <claydoh> http://www.binaryboy.com/forum/showthread.php?s=d1222c8102ee1d9846062944de24e6f7&p=736#post736
[09:29] <gdh> Deanie: tried to run 'snagit' under wine? 
[09:29] <Deanie> libqt3-dev is already newest version
[09:29] <nalioth> Deanie: there are others you've missed
[09:30] <gdh> Deanie: sorry, my mistake http://www.shemes.com/index.php?p=download
[09:30] <Deanie> i want functionality like newsleecher, auto parsing nzb files, ability to move the queue around, pause certain ones etc.
[09:30] <Deanie> grabit u mean.
[09:30] <Deanie> dont really wanna use wine
[09:30] <Deanie> defeats the object
[09:31] <claydoh> well not too many linux programmers are hunting for warez most likely, befeats the object of *nix <g>
[09:31] <Deanie> i prolly need to have my newsleecher on another pc cuz movie collector runs like im swimming thru a river of shit, in wine
[09:31] <claydoh> klibido is in the breezy repos, not hoary
[09:32] <Deanie> i cant install the damn thing, klibido or apt-build.
[09:32] <Deanie> i could install klibido if i could install apt-build.
[09:32] <Deanie> apt-build says, use apt-get install apt-build to install, but its not anywhere.
[09:33] <Deanie> i used to love apt till now.
[09:33] <gdh> Pleasant. klibido installs + runs perfectly in breezy :)
[09:33] <Deanie> ffs
[09:33] <nalioth> Deanie: you have all your sources?
[09:33] <Deanie> dont wanna reinstall an os
[09:34] <gdh> who said reinstall?
[09:34] <Deanie> ive tried to install libs and stuff it wants
[09:34] <gdh> *upgrade* :) that's half the point of debian derived distros
[09:34] <gdh> you don't need to reinstall every time a new release comes out
[09:34] <Deanie> yeah, we all know how flawless upgrading is.   (sarky)
[09:34] <claydoh> "sudo apt-get install apt-build" ?
[09:34] <Deanie> tried
[09:34] <Deanie> apt-build does not exist for me.
[09:34] <gdh> Deanie: <shrugs> Works for me =)
[09:34] <Deanie> i guess i need more repos?
[09:35] <Deanie> im only working with the default ones at the mo.
[09:35] <gdh> Deanie: you'll want universe at least
[09:35] <Deanie> assumed apt-build would tell me at least
[09:35] <Deanie> ok, how do i add that...
[09:35] <gdh> Deanie: and probably multiverse for flash player / othe rnon-free shit
[09:35] <Deanie> i know how
[09:35] <Deanie> i mean, what do i add
[09:35] <gdh> Deanie: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:35] <gdh> just uncomment the 'universe' line
[09:36] <gdh> ctrl-x to save. then sudo apt-get update
[09:36] <gdh> now apt-cache will have all of universe to search
[09:36] <Deanie> have no multiverse
[09:36] <gdh> duplicate the 'universe' line
[09:37] <gdh> (ctrl k then ctrl u twice)
[09:37] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Deanie about sources
[09:37] <gdh> chance uni to multi on the second line
[09:37] <nalioth> gdh: ??what?
[09:37] <douglas> I'm trying to start tightvncserver and it says it can't find the default font 'fixed', which package should I install to correct this?
[09:37] <gdh> nalioth: mm?
[09:37] <douglas> Also, is there a way to channel any requests for alsa usage through arts?
[09:38] <gdh> douglas: xfonts-base ?
[09:38] <douglas> perhaps.
[09:38] <Deanie> add multi to the -src line?
[09:38] <nalioth> gdh: have you seen the sources list ?
[09:38] <gdh> nalioth: I vaguely remember the one from hoary default, yes.
[09:38] <gdh> there'sa 'universe' repo line in there commented out
[09:38] <nalioth> ubotu: tell gdh about sources
[09:38] <nalioth> gdh: this is not hoarys old sources list
[09:39] <gdh> Oh right, 'the synaptic way'. funny, I thought this was #kubuntu
[09:39] <nalioth> Deanie: just see that everywhere it says "universe" there's a space and "multiverse" 
[09:40] <Deanie> updating universe now
[09:40] <douglas> xfonts-base already installed.
[09:40] <Deanie> gb.archive.ubuntu.com/hoary
[09:41] <Deanie> finally, 
[09:41] <Deanie> klibido, a usenet grabber
[09:42] <Deanie> dont like havin to install deps tho
[09:42] <Deanie> i thought, apt was able to handle them
[09:48] <Deanie> oh i give up
[09:48] <Deanie> gives me deps, and i try install em and it still tells me the same deps.
[09:48] <Deanie> umet 
[09:49] <Deanie> unmet
[09:49] <nalioth> Deanie: build the deps
[09:49] <nalioth> Deanie: have apt build the deps
[09:52] <Deanie> ive tried apt-get install "all the deps" and its still givin me shit
[09:52] <Deanie> have apt build em?
[09:53] <Deanie> now says, broken packages
[09:53] <Deanie> after gettin apache2+ssl working i thought i hit the hardest problem.
[09:56] <nalioth> Deanie: yes, have apt build the "not installable" pkgs from source
[09:56] <nalioth> Deanie: are u using amd64 or ppc (k)ubuntu?
[09:57] <Deanie> i686 kubuntu
[09:58] <Deanie> ok im used to havin apt just install my stuff and handle deps, how do i get it to build from source.
[09:58] <Floker> install a pack. called build-essentials
[09:59] <Floker> then cd to the sourcecode directory and type
[09:59] <Floker>  ./configure
[09:59] <Floker>  make
[09:59] <Floker>  make install
[09:59] <Floker> thats it
[09:59] <Deanie> i do that...
[09:59] <Deanie> i get deps.
[09:59] <Deanie> i install the deps it wants, it still cries about em
[10:00] <Floker> that go ask someone who isnt new to linux like me =) sry
[10:03] <XHK> I dont have sounds in kde, how can i fix that?
[10:03] <Deanie> hello to you as well
[10:04] <XHK> hi
[10:04] <Deanie> control centre.
[10:04] <Deanie> sounds
[10:04] <Deanie> system notification
[10:05] <Deanie> apply to all?
[10:05] <Deanie> turn on all
[10:05] <XHK> k
[10:05] <Deanie> if u really want em all on
[10:05] <Deanie> i give up now
[10:06] <Deanie> qt-mt is installed damn you
[10:06] <Deanie> suse 9.3 here i come
[10:07] <XHK> is suse better than ubuntu?
[10:07] <Deanie> i like kubuntu really i do.....
[10:07] <Deanie> but, tnite, after getting apache2 and ssl working (what a struggle) to have it piss me off with installin libs with apt...nah.
[10:08] <Deanie> least i know if i install a lib / dev in suse , its there.........
[10:08] <gdh> Deanie: Bye, then :)
[10:08] <Deanie> well, i dont know what else to do..
[10:08] <gdh> I'm too intoxicated to care :)
[10:08] <Deanie> kubuntu/apt will not let me carry on
[10:08] <Deanie> Qt libs are installed
[10:09] <gdh> does apt-get -f install 
[10:09] <gdh> say anything useful?
[10:09] <Deanie> APT <<<<<<<<<< stfu
[10:09] <gdh> that's often a magic 'just fix it kthx' command
[10:09] <Deanie> nope
[10:09] <Deanie> same thing
[10:09] <Deanie> the 3 things it tellin me are missin, are installed
[10:10] <gdh> I haven't been following the thread...
[10:10] <gdh> mybrain is broken anyway :)
[10:10] <XHK> I dont have sounds in kde, how can i fix that?
[10:10] <Deanie> oh well... nevermind.
[10:10] <MikeStyle> hey, im trying to install gimp version 3.4 but it says i need glib 2.8 when i compile and it says i only have 2.6
[10:10] <Deanie> mines had beer.
[10:10] <Deanie> usually works better after 1
[10:11] <Deanie> but ive had 6
[10:11] <XHK> which audio device kde uses?
[10:11] <XHK> alsa or smth?
[10:11] <Deanie> alsa
[10:11] <XHK> k
[10:11] <MikeStyle> arts and xine and alsa i think
[10:11] <Deanie> well, if i had a choice.
[10:12] <Deanie> pretty sure its alsa
[10:12] <Deanie> has been in the last 4 yrs 
[10:12] <Deanie> for me
[10:13] <XHK> In options there isnt arts and xine, only alsa and some other. I choosed alsa but i still dont have sounds 
[10:13] <MikeStyle> XHK, giv me specs on ur system, sound card, distro
[10:14] <Deanie> do u get sounds at all?
[10:14] <Deanie> in OS
[10:14] <XHK> MikeStyle: soundcard is nForce something
[10:14] <MikeStyle> hmm
[10:14] <XHK> Deanie: no i dont
[10:14] <Deanie> you need your s/card sorting then 
[10:15] <Deanie> no experience of it , sorry, been spoilt by the likes of suse and Kubuntu
[10:15] <MikeStyle> XHK, go System, settings, sound and multimedia and fix sum settings there
[10:15] <gdh> XHK: can you post the output of 'cat /proc/asound/cards' ?
[10:16] <MikeStyle> can anyone help with my problem?
[10:16] <gdh> MikeStyle: Upgrade to breezy? It's unlikely 2.8 is present in hoary, hence you cannot compile the newest gimp from source.
[10:16] <XHK> gdh: 0 [nForce2        ] : NFORCE - NVidia nForce2
[10:16] <XHK>                      NVidia nForce2 with CMI9739 at 0xee002000, irq 21
[10:16] <MikeStyle> breezy?
[10:17] <MikeStyle> im ubuntu 5.04 with kde 3.4
[10:17] <gdh> breezy is the new version of (k)ubuntu, due to be released on Oct 10th
[10:17] <MikeStyle> ohh
[10:17] <MikeStyle> where would i find the upgrade to breezy
[10:17] <gdh> it's perfectly stable now since the final release is only in a week...
[10:17] <XHK> MikeStyle, which settings do i have to fix there?
[10:17] <MikeStyle> look around XKH, never had this problem myself :)
[10:18] <Deanie> maybe ill dload breezy and fix my woes
[10:18] <MikeStyle> gdh, is it possible to upgrade hoary into breezy?
[10:18] <gdh> XHK: can you run 'alsamixer' from the command line ? and check that all the relevant things are set to a good volukme and not muted?
[10:18] <MikeStyle> without formatting
[10:18] <gdh> MikeStyle: Absolutely! :)
[10:18] <MikeStyle> how would i go abouts doing so gdh?
[10:18] <gdh> MikeStyle: that's the whole ppoint of debian-derived distros :)
[10:18] <gdh> MikeStyle: I'm trying to find the recommended procedure.. but it's fairly painless.
[10:19] <MikeStyle> okay
[10:19] <MikeStyle> i can do basic bashing, but nothin too complicated plz
[10:19] <XHK> gdh: is this bad:  Item: Master [Off]   ?
[10:20] <XHK> gdh: and how can i turn volume on
[10:20] <gdh> XHK: I'd say so... try pressing M to toggle mute?
[10:20] <MikeStyle> XHK, there should be a volume monitor on your taskbar, click on it and click mixer and make sure master is not muted/down
[10:20] <XHK> MikeStyle: there isnt volume monitor on my taskbar... =/
[10:21] <MikeStyle> O_o
[10:21] <MikeStyle> sounds like ur system is a little messed up
[10:21] <XHK> gdh, how can i slide master volume up?
[10:21] <gdh> XHK: cursor keys
[10:22] <gdh> press ? for more help in alsamixer
[10:22] <XHK> ok
[10:22] <XHK> ill mes with it a bit
[10:22] <gdh> alsa has a really useful default of muting everything... 
[10:23] <gdh> whoever thought of that needs a serious slap.
[10:23] <Deanie> hehee
[10:23] <MikeStyle> gdh, im downloading the .iso file for 5.10 (breezy) from there what do i do?
[10:23] <gdh> 'but but but they might have their stereo turned up to max and it might blow their speakers' .. ffs...
[10:23] <Deanie> thinks everyone who wants linux wants it for cli/server mode
[10:23] <gdh> MikeStyle: Nono the new ISO is no use unless you want to do a fresh reinstall.
[10:24] <MikeStyle> ohh
[10:24] <MikeStyle> then gdh, wut do i do to upgrade?
[10:24] <Deanie> go on do a fresh...
[10:24] <zyn> hmm
[10:24] <Deanie> do it properly.
[10:24] <gdh> MikeStyle: I don't know from memory, I'm not an oracle or a developer :)
[10:24] <MikeStyle> lol
[10:24] <MikeStyle> u think its somewhere in synaptic
[10:24] <Deanie> unless youve spent 120 hours install shit
[10:24] <gdh> it's something like just change 'hoary' to 'breezy' in your sources.list, apt-get update and 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' then apt-get dist-upgrade...
[10:25] <Deanie> ah, like kubuntu-desktop...install fresh
[10:25] <Deanie> was just as quick.
[10:25] <MikeStyle> ok
[10:25] <Deanie> upgrading always breaks something
[10:25] <Deanie> inho
[10:25] <Deanie> imho
[10:25] <MikeStyle> ahh but whenever i try to edit sources.list it says i dont have the rights to do so
[10:25] <Deanie> SUDO!
[10:26] <gdh> yes, browse in konq to /etc/apt and right click on sources.list then Actions -> edit as root
[10:26] <gdh> type in your login password
[10:26] <gdh> brb
[10:26] <MikeStyle> ok
[10:29] <Deanie> sudo pico /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:29] <Deanie> we love pico
[10:31] <gdh> the Free version of UW's non-free shit =)
[10:32] <zyn> so it's free shit then?
[10:32] <gdh> It most certainly is :) shit in the finest sense  :)
[10:33] <vitriol> why do people go out of the way to use the command line...
[10:33] <vitriol> no offense
[10:33] <gdh> vitriol: old habits die hard?
[10:33] <vitriol> meh
[10:34] <zyn> he does have a good point
[10:34] <vitriol> no such thing
[10:34] <vitriol> ;)
[10:34] <Deanie> rather have a script 
[10:34] <vitriol> mc + screen + links + gpm
[10:34] <Deanie> or a gui
[10:34] <vitriol> all you ever need
[10:35] <Deanie> actually, rather have a  working Os.
[10:35] <Deanie> which i dont. thanks APT
[10:35] <vitriol> Deanie: whats wrong
[10:35] <Deanie> i have Qt3 , no you dont, yes i do, no you dont, yes i do
[10:35] <gdh> Deanie: It sounds like you tried to compile stuff from source, stuffed it up, and confused apt. hardly it's fault.
[10:35] <vitriol> lol
[10:36] <Deanie> nope
[10:36] <Deanie> all from apt
[10:36] <Deanie> tried source as last resort.
[10:36] <Deanie> says, wants qt3
[10:36] <Deanie> i install qt3 .
[10:37] <Deanie> both apt and source say, need qt3
[10:37] <Deanie> it can fuck off 
[10:37] <vitriol> you can't use --force ?
[10:37] <XHK> I unmuted and turned up everything i could in alsamixer but still not working...
[10:37] <Deanie> tr5ied
[10:37] <Deanie> tried
[10:37] <vitriol> XHK: tried 'alsaconf' ?
[10:37] <Deanie> tried --with-qt
[10:37] <Deanie> and path
[10:37] <Deanie> tried the lot
[10:38] <Deanie> i now conceed defeat
[10:38] <Deanie> and move on
[10:38] <XHK> vitriol, not yet
[10:38] <XHK> bash: alsaconf: command not found
[10:38] <vitriol> XHK: do you have alsa-utils installed
[10:38] <XHK> im not sure
[10:38] <Deanie> im gunna try the windows of the linux world.
[10:38] <Deanie> Suse.
[10:39] <XHK> alsa-utils is already the newest version.
[10:39] <Deanie> hey, it works!
[10:39] <vitriol> Deanie: good luck to you
[10:39] <XHK> vitriol, any mroe ideas?
[10:39] <vitriol> XHK: i'm mistaken...i don't see alsaconf either
[10:39] <XHK> k
[10:40] <vitriol> XHK: it was a standard part of debian
[10:40] <vitriol> weird
[10:40] <Deanie> heres a question for you all....What do you think linux needs for more people to migrate?
[10:40] <XHK> yea =/
[10:40] <vitriol> XHK: and also, 'apt-cache search alsaconf' returns no results
[10:40] <Deanie> apart from easy install of software of couce.
[10:40] <Deanie> course.
[10:41] <vitriol> XHK: does it not work in any app?
[10:41] <vitriol> sound
[10:41] <Deanie> i keep trying it , for the past 4 years, every  year its got better.  now i want ATI to devote more than 30mins to decent drivers.
[10:41] <vitriol> XHK: it may be different sound servers conflicting
[10:41] <vitriol> like arts, esd
[10:41] <vitriol> Deanie: amen
[10:41] <XHK> In xmms song is play9ing, but no sound, in gaim no sound and in kde no sound either
[10:42] <zyn> anyone know how to get rid of these packages marked with "residual config" ?
[10:42] <XHK> some days ago it almost worked
[10:42] <vitriol> XHK: if you do 'ps x | grep arts' do you get anything?
[10:42] <XHK>  8185 ?        S      0:01 artsd -F 11 -S 4096 -a alsa -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f
[10:42] <XHK>  8684 pts/1    R+     0:00 grep arts
[10:43] <vitriol> :\
[10:44] <XHK> what does it mean?
[10:44] <vitriol> wish there was an alsaconf package
[10:44] <vitriol> XHK: that means that arts is running
[10:44] <vitriol> so it should be ok
[10:44] <vitriol> XHK: do you have multiple sound cards?
[10:44] <vitriol> XHK: or maybe an onboard sound card and a pci sound card
[10:45] <XHK> Can i check it somewhere?
[10:45] <vitriol> XHK: try 'alsamixer -c 1'
[10:45] <XHK> i know  i have nForce something, but sometimes it displays two choiches
[10:45] <XHK> ok
[10:45] <vitriol> XHK: if it gives you an error message, you only have one
[10:46] <vitriol> XHK: the '-c' stands for card
[10:46] <XHK> alsamixer -c 1
[10:46] <vitriol> and the number is the card number
[10:46] <XHK> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for hw:1: No such file or directory
[10:46] <vitriol> 0 would be the first sound card
[10:46] <vitriol> 1 would be second
[10:46] <XHK> ok
[10:46] <vitriol> ok, so it looks like thats not your problem
[10:46] <vitriol> XHK: are your speakers plugged in?
[10:46] <vitriol> LOL
[10:47] <XHK> ofcourse
[10:47] <francesco> hello, is Kubuntu 5.10 breezy coming on oct, 13th?
[10:47] <Deanie> 10th?
[10:47] <vitriol> XHK: probably a simple fix but i'm fresh out of ideas :(
[10:47] <XHK> I had sound problems in gnome too, but fixed it somehow 
[10:47] <Deanie> i`ll dload when final
[10:48] <XHK> in gnome i messed something with esd
[10:48] <Deanie> till then, suse and yast will do
[10:48] <Deanie> just fkin works..i hate apt.
[10:49] <XHK> and few days ago sounds were almost ok. Sometimes kde sounds worked but others did not, sometimes xmms worked and others didnt and sometimes gaim worked :P
[10:49] <XHK> But now nothing works
[10:52] <Deanie> whats the ubuntu sound config tool?
[10:52] <Deanie> i cant remember
[10:57] <douglas> any one here using wlassistant with breezy? I have an older version working, but something is broken for encrypted netowrks, so I want the newer version and the deb won't install, saying kdelibs4 is not installed, but it is!
[11:00] <MachineScrew> Ok I want my Konquer fm back
[11:01] <MachineScrew> they remove spacial in Ubuntu and add it in Kubuntu
[11:01] <MachineScrew> wtf
[11:02] <douglas> How do I force dependencies.
[11:02] <XHK> whats xine? 
[11:03] <MachineScrew> xine is a media player like mplayer
[11:03] <XHK> k
[11:03] <MachineScrew> it can be used just with the lib in concert with Kaffien
[11:04] <XHK> Damn why my sounds wont work :S
[11:04] <MachineScrew> also as a back end to amorak
[11:04] <MachineScrew> ? where in genral
[11:04] <epiloc> what is a good wmv player?
[11:05] <MachineScrew> xine w/ w32codec
[11:05] <douglas> If I want to force a package to install dpkg -i something.deb how do I force it?
[11:05] <MachineScrew> you need the rpm for the w32codec
[11:05] <MachineScrew> douglas: man dpkg
[11:06] <MachineScrew> douglas: the should tell you
[11:06] <douglas> aye
[11:06] <MachineScrew> epiloc: xine is good some prefer mplayer
[11:07] <MachineScrew> epiloc: the choice is yours but I preferr xine
[11:07] <epiloc> can i apt-get install the win32 codec?
[11:07] <MachineScrew> no
[11:07] <epiloc> oh
[11:07] <MachineScrew> epiloc: i will get you the web site on sec
[11:07] <epiloc> ok, i will google
[11:09] <MachineScrew> epiloc: http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/xine/
[11:09] <MachineScrew> epiloc: get the rpms there and there you can also get libdvdcss
[11:10] <MachineScrew> epiloc: once downloaded you can alien -d <packagename.rpm>
[11:10] <MachineScrew> epiloc: with out the <>
[11:10] <epiloc> I have had weird results with alien before
[11:10] <epiloc> but ill give it a shot,thx
[11:10] <MachineScrew> epiloc: I did it fine on my system
[11:11] <MachineScrew> epiloc: the nice thing is both of these don't have dependencies
[11:12] <MachineScrew> epiloc: you can also add horay-backports-staging to your source list
[11:12] <MachineScrew> epiloc: and horay-extras-staging
[11:13] <MachineScrew> they work with breezy
[11:14] <MachineScrew> epiloc: there is also gstreamer-plugins-multiverse it will grab the plugins you need for the gstreamer backend
[11:16] <XHK> my kde sounds work right now, aftergoing to gnome and turning pci volume up, cause i couldnt do it in alsamixer, dunn why
[11:17] <epiloc> MachineScrew: can you alien -d just about any rpm without screwing anything up?
[11:18] <XHK> gdh, my kde sounds work right now, aftergoing to gnome and turning pci volume up, cause i couldnt do it in alsamixer, dunno why
[11:18] <gdh> most odd :)
[11:18] <XHK> you have any ideas why  pci sound mutes?
[11:18] <gdh> I do not.
[11:18] <XHK> and why i cant change it in alsamixer, cause when i do it it just feezes
[11:19] <gdh> alsa is still a very new concept to me - I stil use an SB AWE64 ISA :)
[11:19] <XHK> ok
[11:19] <XHK> kde sounds work, gaim souns work, but xmms gives error
[11:20] <gdh> xmms -> config -> plugins -> output
[11:20] <gdh> select the 'alsa' output plugin?
[11:20] <matty> hi
[11:21] <gdh> if it' snot there, use beep-media-player instead - it's a GTK2 port of xmms.
[11:21] <XHK> gdh, in xmms i have already chosen alsa
[11:22] <gdh> then I have no idea :/
[11:22] <XHK> ok now it works somehow :S
[11:22] <XHK> I dont even know what i did
[11:22] <XHK> lol
[11:22] <gdh> ha :)
[11:22] <XHK> now gaim sounds wont work lol
[11:23] <Mr_owen> hi
[11:23] <MachineScrew> epiloc: yes
[11:23] <Mr_owen> i need help installing msn 
[11:23] <XHK> lol
[11:23] <XHK> use gaim
[11:23] <Mr_owen> ?
[11:23] <MachineScrew> epiloc: sory I was configing file asociations
[11:24] <epiloc> MachineScrew: I downloaded the w32 codec, converted to deb and then dpkg -i <codec> is that all that is needed to install the codec?
[11:24] <MachineScrew> every time I download a file insted of giving me the option to download it, it treats it as a document
[11:24] <MachineScrew> epiloc: yes thats it
[11:25] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: what do you meen install msn
[11:25] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: the software or just to IM
[11:26] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen you there ?
[11:29] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: MSN software you need to run windows or get a real service provider like your local cable company or telephone company for DSL
[11:29] <Mr_owen> nvrmind
[11:29] <Mr_owen> installed gaim and that looks allright
[11:29] <Mr_owen> :)
[11:29] <cddesjar> i am running a dell inspiron 1100 and i am interested in switching from debian to kubuntu, basically because the software tends to be newer
[11:29] <Mr_owen> can you maybe help me installing a wifi card
[11:29] <cddesjar> but i can't seem to get my orinoco pc gold card to work with kubuntu
[11:29] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: ya
[11:30] <Mr_owen> :)
[11:30] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: what kind of card is it
[11:30] <Mr_owen> belkin
[11:30] <cddesjar> and my screen is small, i.e. it doesn't fill up my entire laptop screen
[11:30] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: modle ?
[11:31] <Mr_owen> F5D7010
[11:31] <Tm_T> Mr_owen: Kopete!
[11:31] <Mr_owen> ?
[11:31] <Tm_T> don't use gaim :/
[11:31] <Mr_owen> kopete doesn't work
[11:31] <Tm_T> it does
[11:31] <Mr_owen> it doesn't connect
[11:31] <Tm_T> just stop using KDE 3.4.0
[11:31] <MachineScrew> cddesjar: open a Konsole and type dpkg-reconfigure 'xserver-xorg'
[11:32] <Mr_owen> nvrmind, gaim is allright for now
[11:32] <Mr_owen> i just want my lan card working 
[11:32] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: One sec and I will find it
[11:32] <Tm_T> Mr_owen: update KDE :)
[11:32] <zyn> cddesjar: what kind of video hardware?
[11:32] <Mr_owen> thanks machinescrew
[11:33] <Mr_owen> how can you update KDE ? (im new to linux so sorry for the stupid questions)
[11:33] <cddesjar> i think i found a good site on the internet to help me fixing that screen issue
[11:33] <cddesjar> but i am confused about the orinoco card
[11:33] <cddesjar> b/c it works flawlessly with debian
[11:34] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: you need somthing called ndiswrapper
[11:34] <MachineScrew> one sec
[11:34] <Mr_owen> yeah i know
[11:34] <Mr_owen> i read about that
[11:34] <Mr_owen> but i don't know how it works 
[11:34] <Mr_owen> :)
[11:34] <cddesjar> is anyone running kde 3.5 beta?
[11:35] <cddesjar> are you running in to many issues?
[11:35] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: http://ftp.us.dell.com/network/R81433.EXE
[11:35] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: download that file and open a console
[11:35] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: click on the K and then system and you should see terminal click on that
[11:36] <`Nomad> Mr_Owen:  Did you get your dual-boot straightened out?
[11:36] <Mr_owen> yesh
[11:36] <Mr_owen> thanks !
[11:36] <Mr_owen> it worked the second time 
[11:36] <`Nomad> great :)
[11:36] <Mr_owen> many thanks !
[11:36] <Mr_owen> :)
[11:36] <`Nomad> it's always good to be patient
[11:37] <Mr_owen> yeah i have console open
[11:37] <Tm_T> cddesjar: using it, damn good
[11:37] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: is your card a pcmcia PCI or built in the laptop
[11:37] <Mr_owen> pcmcia
[11:38] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: on the card it self what dose it say excatly
[11:38] <Mr_owen> you mean type number ? 
[11:39] <Mr_owen> model no: f5d7010
[11:39] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: I am trying to get the right one and there are sevral drivers for that model
[11:39] <Mr_owen> on the belkin site ? 
[11:39] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: what ref
[11:39] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: what rev
[11:39] <Mr_owen> ehm
[11:39] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: no we need the chip set
[11:39] <Mr_owen> there are 3 
[11:39] <Mr_owen> i think it was the first
[11:39] <Mr_owen> in windows it said broadcom
[11:39] <MachineScrew> ok
[11:40] <MachineScrew> in that case 
[11:40] <MachineScrew> ftp://ftp.a-link.com/wl54h/WL54driver2.2.6.0.zip
[11:40] <MachineScrew> that is the driver you need
[11:40] <MachineScrew> it is a Wireless G right
[11:40] <Mr_owen> yes
[11:41] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: ok
[11:41] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: get that driver
[11:41] <MachineScrew> now save it to your home
[11:42] <Mr_owen> ok done
[11:42] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: once that is done do sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[11:42] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: let me know when that is done
[11:42] <Mr_owen> done
[11:43] <MachineScrew> ok now we need to unzip the files in WL54driver2.2.6.0.zip
[11:43] <MachineScrew> unzip WL54driver2.2.6.0.zip
[11:44] <funkyHat> has anyone else had problems with amaroK crashing under breezy?
[11:44] <MachineScrew> I think that is the command
[11:44] <Tm_T> not yet
[11:44] <Mr_owen> cannot unzip
[11:44] <MachineScrew> funkyHat: change the engine
[11:44] <gdh> funkyHat: all of that crap amarok / juk / kafeine crashes and burns for me.. 
[11:44] <Tm_T> funkyHat: but I use from svn ;)
[11:44] <Mr_owen> but maybe i can do that in graphical env
[11:44] <gdh> I don't go near any of it...
[11:44] <MachineScrew> ya
[11:44] <Mr_owen> ok
[11:44] <Mr_owen> its now in the map with the same name
[11:45] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: ok now what is the file named .inf 
[11:45] <Mr_owen> rt2500.inf 
[11:45] <Mr_owen> in the win xp map that is 
[11:46] <Mr_owen> is the same in every map
[11:46] <Mr_owen> :)
[11:46] <MachineScrew> ok so now we need to do sudo ndiswrapper -i /path to the .inf/rt2500.inf
[11:46] <MachineScrew> we need the xp one 
[11:47] <Mr_owen> yes
[11:47] <Mr_owen> thats in the unzipped map in the map WinXp
[11:47] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: ok run that last command
[11:48] <Mr_owen> with -i/winxp ?
[11:48] <MachineScrew> ya
[11:48] <Mr_owen> i mean /winxp/rt2500.inf ? 
[11:48] <MachineScrew> ya
[11:48] <MachineScrew> mind you the dirs are case sensitve
[11:49] <Mr_owen> rt2500 is allready installed
[11:50] <Mr_owen> use -e to remove it 
[11:50] <Mr_owen> it says 
[11:50] <MachineScrew> ok ya
[11:50] <MachineScrew> did you try this before
[11:50] <Mr_owen> don't think so 
[11:50] <Mr_owen> not when i installed it again 
[11:51] <Mr_owen> and i formatted before so 
[11:51] <MachineScrew> hmm
[11:51] <MachineScrew> ok
[11:51] <MachineScrew> now run the previous command 
[11:52] <Mr_owen> the apt one ? 
[11:52] <MachineScrew> no the sudo ndiswrapper -i /WinXP/rt2500.inf
[11:52] <MachineScrew> no the sudo ndiswrapper -i WinXP/rt2500.inf
[11:53] <Mr_owen> yeah
[11:53] <Mr_owen> it says the same again
[11:53] <Mr_owen> rt2500.inf is allready installed
[11:53] <MachineScrew> no the sudo ndiswrapper -e rt2500
[11:53] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: sory
[11:54] <Mr_owen> lol
[11:54] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: then run the sudo ndisrapper -i WinXP/rt2500.inf
[11:54] <Mr_owen> driver /WinXP/rt2500.inf is not installed
[11:54] <MachineScrew> ok one sec
[11:55] <Mr_owen> if i do list
[11:55] <Mr_owen> it says 
[11:55] <Mr_owen> installed: rt2500 invalid driver
[11:55] <MachineScrew> do ls /etc/ndiswrapper
[11:56] <Mr_owen> map rt2500
[11:56] <MachineScrew> that is it
[11:56] <Mr_owen> ?
[11:57] <Mr_owen> that map is empty 
[11:57] <MachineScrew> do sudo rmdir -R /etc/ndiswrapper
[11:57] <Mr_owen> one moment phone 
[11:58] <Mr_owen> invalid option -R 
[11:58] <MachineScrew> ok remove the -R
[11:59] <Mr_owen> directory not empty 
[11:59] <MachineScrew> do sudo rmdir --ignore-fail-on-non-empty /etc/ndiswrapper
[12:00] <zepticon> Hi... Im new in ubuntu an was woundering if anyone could help me out a bit with some smal questions?
[12:00] <Mr_owen> ok
[12:00] <Mr_owen> done
[12:00] <MachineScrew> cool
[12:00] <Mr_owen> i think
[12:00] <Mr_owen> i did it with --ignore 
[12:01] <MachineScrew> do ls /etc/ndiswrapper
[12:01] <Mr_owen> no such file or dir
[12:01] <MachineScrew> Mr_owen: ok good now do sudo ndisrapper -i WinXP/rt2500.inf
[12:02] <MachineScrew> zepticon: I can in a bit
[12:02] <Mr_owen> is allready installed
[12:02] <Mr_owen> again
[12:02] <Mr_owen> :s
[12:02] <MachineScrew> zepticon: I am hellping some one
[12:02] <MachineScrew> damn
[12:03] <Mr_owen> very strange